Daniel Jones Tears Achilles & IU Wins Big Ten Championship Game! Don Fischer, Mike Chappell, and Bill Benner Joins!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Querry in company. I'm gonna be keeping you company
for the next few hours. You are not going to
believe the company.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
This company. You're in a bankrupt mama's company.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
At least I have the radio to keep me company
on ninety three to five and one oh seven five
the fan.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah, it's pretty simple.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
I win, Google me and Mendoza takes the snap, wants
to throw it, fires it down the field.

Speaker 5 (00:19):
It's for you.

Speaker 6 (00:20):
Elijah Sorotti makes the touch touch down. You're like the
Serrat seventeen yard pick for tday and it is back
on top.

Speaker 7 (00:35):
Fernando takes it back to throw, fires it down the
field and it.

Speaker 5 (00:39):
Is come shame again.

Speaker 6 (00:43):
A lot of touch.

Speaker 8 (00:45):
Daniel Jones is down. Daniel Jones can't even make it
over to the sideline.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
If you looked at he is.

Speaker 9 (00:50):
Seated on the turf and he just slams his helmet
to the grass. An unfortunate update as Daniel Jones remains
in the Cole flocker and he has been ruled out
with an achilles injury.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
The eighteen yard line where they'll snap it two.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
It'll be a twenty eight.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Yard field goal. Here's the snap field and kicks the ball.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
It is wide. It is wide wide to the left.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
He missed it.

Speaker 6 (01:14):
Indiana will take over the.

Speaker 7 (01:15):
Football, saying back to throw again. Pressure Colms rolls to
his right, tries to run with it, throws it down
the field and.

Speaker 6 (01:23):
Is tipped up in the air.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
And that's the ball game right there, Indiana runs.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
Indiana has beaten the Olhari State buck Eyes, the number
one team of the cut. Right, the Hooshers have beaten
the buck Eyes.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
And Indiana is.

Speaker 6 (01:43):
Going to the college football playoff.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
And not going to get a bye. Unbelievable, they are
indeed for the fans of Indiana University. And Saturday night
in Indianapolis, Indiana rolling into Sunday morning, it was absolutely
the best of times. And it is still unbelievable. The
Indiana Hoosiers the number one team in the land heading

(02:07):
into the college football playoff. But as Charles Dickens said,
and a tale of two cities, not two cities, but
one in Indianapolis. And in the tale of two cities,
what do we hear? It was the best of times,
It was the worst of times. It was the epic
of belief, the epic of incredulity. It was the season

(02:31):
of light in the season of darkness. In fact, that's
where we are now as sports fans of football in Indiana,
and I get it if you are a Purdue fan,
probably doesn't necessarily relate to you. Although it's good news
because Perdue dropping the biggest margin of loss in a

(02:52):
non conference game at home as the number one team
in the history of college basketball not a huge concern, truthfully,
because I think just fine. But we don't talk about
that so much. We don't talk so much about Indiana
and Louisville and Louisville getting out to a sixteen nothing
run in Indiana getting blanked because the story today two

(03:13):
of them, the Indiana Hoosiers and what they did in
beating the Ohio State Buckeyes, and yeah, of course, every
Ohio State fan you've ever met, it's like, yeah, whatever,
I mean, Buckeyes didn't care, obviously, Ryan David was Okay,
Indiana went out and what Indiana did on Saturday night
at Lucas Oil Stadium, and I think there were a

(03:35):
lot of us that believed it was possible but not probable.
What Indiana did on Saturday night at Lucas Oil Stadium
was come right out and yes, the second play of

(03:56):
the game. I think it was when Caden Curry puts
that hit on Bernana Mendoza and sends the message, so
it's gonna be now, big boy, welcome to the big time.
An incomes his little brother, and there's this hush again. Incredulousness,

(04:16):
right and incredibulity. I can't even say the word, the
nature of being incredulous, this disbelief hanging over. And then
eventually Mendoza comes back and suddenly it's the season of
light for Indiana and for Ohio State. What Indiana did
in their front four was they came out and they

(04:37):
said to Ohio State, We're gonna punch you right back,
how you like it, big boy, welcome to the big time.
We are now this is not your grandfather's Indiana. This
is not your father's Indiana. It's not even your big
brothers Indiana. It's we are now dictating with a big
brother of the Big ten, and we are punching you
right in the mouth. And Ohio State and you can
tell me all you want. Ohio State played conservative or

(05:01):
Ryan Day wasn't as worried about this game, or it
didn't mean anything to Ohio State. Didn't mean anything to
Ohio State. Keep in mind, the last time Ohio State
won the Big Ten title was during the COVID year,
where they changed a rule to put Ohio State in
over Indiana so that they could go on and represent
the Big Ten in the College Football Playoff. That's how
long it's been since Ohio State has won a Big

(05:23):
Ten title. But Ohio State, they tasted their own blood
on their lip for the first time this season, and
they didn't know how to react to it. They didn't
how to react to it. Ohio State, the Buckeyes. Indiana
won that game. They came out and they punched Ohio
State right in the mouth, and Ohio State was the

(05:45):
one that looked like they weren't ready for the moment.
They didn't know how to respond to it. And for
all the talk about Indiana bright lights, what's Indiana going
to do? It was Ohio State that Wilton when it
mattered most. And then we go into Sunday, A tale
of two cities. It was the best of times, it
was the worst of times. If you want to say

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two cities, you'd say Indianapolis and then down in Jacksonville
for the Colts. It certainly has been a tale of
two cities between when they play in Indianapolis and when
they play down there in Northern Florida in Jacksonville, Florida.
That's been a house of horrors all the way back
to when they were winning Super Bowls and Maurice Jones

(06:28):
Drew was running for so many yards, as Bob Kravitz
famously said, the only thing that stopped him was the
end zone kept getting in the way. Even Gary Brackett
said he thought it was a good line because that's
what it was like back then. And each time the
Colts have gone down there. I remember once going down
there and covering a game and there was this weird
swirling wind and little this little like tornado of trash

(06:50):
in the end zone of hot dog wrappers and napkins
just flying around in a circle in the end zone,
and that was the only thing that could get moved
moving for the Colts on their end of the field.
That's how it's been down there, and yesterday what you
saw now is a team and a franchise for the

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Colts that is in peril and it's not good. It's
not good. It's the season now of darkness. Was the
season of light. It's now a season of darkness and
we'll find out today officially what we already know, but
we'll find out perhaps what the plan may be. And

(07:32):
we have a big show lined up. By the way,
my name is Jake Corey Eddie Garrison who put together
that fabulous intro. Thank you to Eddie for that. Joining
me on the show today as well. It's Querying Company
here on ninety three five and one oh seven to
five the fan as I understand it, Today, we've got
a couple of eye guests and then probably we'll talk
some Colts as well. Eddie, if you could please run
down for me the lineup in terms of the guests

(07:53):
for today.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Bottom of the r we will have the guy who
was on the call of that big ten championship win
for the Indiana Hoosiers, Dim Fisher will join us. At
twelve thirty. At the top of the hour, Mike Chappell
will join us. What does the future of the Colts
look like now, Jake? With the injury to Daniel Jones,
how significant is said injury? Hopefully we have an answer
by then and we can discuss that with Chapid. Then

(08:15):
your friend, Jake, I know you reached out and you
got him on. I believe yesterday afternoon Bill Bender would
joined the show. He was in attendance at the Big
Ten championship game, and he is one of the biggest
IU football fans.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Is that you know for sure? No question? Okay, So
let's start with because and I get it. I'm going
to go in order of chronology, chronologically speaking, the most
recent thing first, because Fish gonna join us just about
twenty minutes from now. Here is my concern Now for
the Colts. We can sit here and break down the

(08:48):
game yesterday and the nuances and what happened on this
play call of that play call. We can go over
that all we want, but I go back to again precedent, right,
I'm a guy that believes in precedent. And when you
saw Daniel Jones go down and unquestionably it's an achilles injury,

(09:09):
and I think we can all say, I'm not a doctor,
I'm going with assumption here until we hear official word,
but clearly it would appears though he has a ruptured
to torn achilles and is going to be out for
the rest of this season, and that would take him
into next season, probably into next November. Or December before

(09:31):
he is able to play again. It would make perfect sense, unfortunately,
to then prognosticate that Daniel Jones has now played his
final game as an Indianapolis Colt. And that's where I
go back to. Yesterday was a really bad day for
Chris Ballard. A really bad day for Chris Ballard. It's

(09:53):
a bad day in general. When you're talking about injuries
to players, you're not that's the fault.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Of no one.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
It just is. It's the fault of no one. So
it's not the Colt's fault that Daniel Jones got hurt. Yeah,
he's had some health challenges over the course of his career,
but it's not their fault, but precedent. When you look

(10:21):
at Daniel Jones on the field banging the turf with
his helmet, you all thought it, you all did. You
all thought of Tyrese Haliburton banging the floor in Oklahoma City,
and you thought to yourself, what is with the bad

(10:41):
luck in Indianapolis. And when it comes to Luck, I
go back to president. When Andrew Luck was a rookie
for the Colts. He came out and he was a
generational talent and he was a generational talent to the
point where, in order to facilitate for him to play

(11:04):
right away, you released because there was question about the
health of Peyton Manning. And you released the greatest player
in the history of this franchise and probably the greatest
athlete civically speaking in terms of spotlight in the history
of this town. And did that create now a curse?

(11:25):
Did that suddenly create a season meaning a long period
of time of darkness in the Tale of Two Cities.
I don't know about that, But what I know is this,
Andrew Luck shows precedent because when Luck had that rookie
year where everything off the field, you had the Chuck

(11:49):
Pagano situation. You had Bruce Arians that came in as
the interim head coach. He's a quarterback whisper, he had
been Peyton Manning's quarterback coach. He is a guy that
jump started career years of quarterbacks over the course of
his career. And now all of a sudden, you have
this partnership with Andrew Luck and Bruce Arians, and they
are often running and everything is going perfectly, and they

(12:13):
win double digit games and they get in the playoffs.
And Andrew Luck is a young player and the Colts
then made a critical error. I don't blame Ryan Grigson
for it. I don't. I know it's common knowledge, common perception,
common thought in this town to blame everything on Ryan Grigson.

(12:35):
But I think there was a lot of gimmers, say
in his ear rest his soul. And so what the
Colts did at that point is they pushed in to early.
They organically did not let it grow with Andrew Luck
and allow for the seeds around him to grow organically

(12:56):
and get everything on the same timeline. And they pushed
all in, and they mortgaged their future, and they mortgaged
the growth of young players by going out and getting
Eric Walden and Ricky Gene Francois and Gosder Shareless and
all of these players, and Andre Johnson and Frank Gore.
Not all of this was in the same offseason, but
over the course of a short period of time, they

(13:17):
pushed in too early, and they didn't build properly the foundation,
the basement, to make sure that there were no cracks
and leaks that could take place anywhere in the house.
And they pushed into early. And Chris Ballard and I
understand it. And the time was now for Chris Ballard

(13:41):
because we're in what year nine? I get it, But
when you got Daniel Jones and you started out seven
and one and you thought to yourself, we might have
something here before you could properly And I will give
Chris Ballard a ton of credit in this regard. He
saved a little bit here because Daniel Jones is not
under contract next year. Unfair to say that you're going

(14:04):
to just completely dispatch and throw away a guy that's
coming off of ruptured Achilles. But it is a business,
and if there's one silver lining, it's the fact that
the Colts have not signed. Can you imagine if they'd
signed Daniel Jones right now and they're on the hook
next year for thirty million and the guy's going to
be sitting having his leg elevated for the year, but
at the quarterback position. Now, this is a franchise that

(14:27):
is absolutely at a crossroads, and quite frankly, they're screwed
because they pushed in too early, and they pushed in
too early in the form of giving up not one,
but two first round draft picks for Sauce Gardner, who
might still be a fabulous player and might still be

(14:47):
an unbelievable talent for them for the next three years.
But he's going to cost him a ton of money.
And he cost him not one, but two first round
draft picks. And you know what makes a first round
draft pick incredibly value a franchise that doesn't have a quarterback.
And maybe they do in Anthony Richardson, but time was

(15:11):
what Anthony Richardson most needed, and reps and they punted
away from that to go with Daniel Jones understandably, so
the play merited that decision. But Anthony Richardson then doesn't
get reps and then goes into an injury now that
we have no idea if and when he even comes
back from that. Not his fault but reality. So where

(15:35):
do the Colts find themselves now? They find themselves eight
and five. They find themselves just like Eddie Garrison brilliantly
noted last week in the form of Huey Lewis. They
find themselves now on the schedule, just like from the
heart of rock and roll, Seattle, San Francisco too. That's
the next two games, and then you come back and

(15:56):
you get and you round off the AFC South with Jacksonville,
and then you got to go to Houston, who last
night passed by on the right hand side, right beyond
the Colts, and that's where they stand right now. And
that's the situation that is difficult because you went from
being seven and one and finding yourselves in perfect position

(16:19):
and lo and behold, you pushed all in and look,
I get it, it's for Ballard. It was you gotta
go now, probably right. But when you pushed in and
you made that move, you took a gamble. You took
a gamble, and yesterday it blew up. And not only

(16:43):
did you watch your quarterback not be able to get
off the field, but you had a quarterback on the
other side who is an average quarterback in the NFL
that is above average every time he plays the Colts
that you couldn't get off of the field himself and
Trevor Lawrence and at either is this Chris Ballard. And
the one thing that he has routinely pushed in on,

(17:05):
pushed in on, pushed in on, and tried to go
back to is pass rush for that defense. And they
didn't have it yesterday.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Been talking about it the last three weeks. Jake only
twenty quarterback hits in the last five games, yesterday, zero hits,
zero sacks on Trevor Lawrence, zilch, nada nothing.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
So the things that were built the foundation.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
The only time his jersey got dirty was when he
was on the ground taking a knee or he was,
you know, running and sliding. That was the only time
Trevor Lawrence was on the ground.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
The the reality is this the thing that the Colts
was supposed to be their bread and butter yesterday, the trenches,
the pass rush liatu latu quitty pay, those in which
they'd invested those things yesterday didn't present or show themselves.
And on the other side of that, the thing that

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in the future you need to use your first round
picks for the quarterback now is suddenly that position of
that much more priority. And you don't have those picks
because you traded him for a corner. It's why I
was flippant about that trade at the time. Sauce Garter
may be an unbelievab player, don't get me wrong. I mean,

(18:22):
he might be Dean Sanders, he may turn out to
be one of the most popular. He may be Bob
Sanders around here. But what good is that going to
do if you are having a team that is being
quarterbacked either A by Anthony Richardson, who you're still trying
to find out whether or not you want to extend
him in the final year of his contract when he's
coming off an orbital eye fracture. B you're bringing back

(18:44):
Gardner Minshew or the corpse of Jake Browning because you're
that desperate at the quarterback position, or C you are
starting a rookie quarterback that you drafted in like the
second or beyond round or d Riley Leonard. Those are
your only outs, those are your only options right now
as to where things stand now. The other big story

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in football, a tale of two Cities. It was the
best of times, it was the worst of times in
this town. From a college football standpoint, yes, I know
you have Purdue, but reversible jacket people, Indiana, Notre Dame fans,
et cetera. The college football playoff ranking, Indiana gets in,

(19:27):
they're the number one seed. They're on their way to Pasadena.
And if you're going to the Rose Bowl and you've
never been there before, which if you're my age, there'd
be no reason as an Indiana fan who have ever
been unless you went and saw them in the regular
season A year ago. But if you're going to the
Rose Bowl, here is the Jake Querry advice for you.

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It is an unbelievable venue. It is the most beautiful
climate in the country. It is such a historic place
that when you walk up and you see the big
neon that just says Rose Bowl, and you see the
palm trees and you can see the mountain and the horizon,
it is an emotional event. And I'm not being I'm

(20:09):
being totally serious there. I went for a music concert
and it was awesome. I can't imagine going to see
your favorite team that you never thought see you would
see in a postseason game playing in the Rose Bowl
in Pasadena, where it's going to be seventy two with
no humidity and a slight breeze going. I don't know
if you know, there's not Eddie, but in southern California,

(20:29):
notably San Diego, but in this case Pasadena, that's what
it's like. Three hundred and sixty three days a year.
Really yes, But if you are going, here's my advice
for you. Number One, if you have a chance to
pre select your tickets, buy as close to the Aisleway
as possible because at the Rose Bowl, at least along

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the between the end zones. The seats the aisles are
literally like fifty five seats across. So if you're like,
oh man, I got seat twenty eight in section twenty four,
guess what. You literally have twenty seven people to your
left and twenty seven people to your right before you
go get a coker, use the bathroom. And it's like
an airplane. It is the tightest most compact. In nineteen

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twenty two or whatever year the Rose Bull was built,
everyone looked like Emmanuel Lewis and it was built like that,
and you're walking, you're climbing over people. It's like getting
off an airplane. So if you're going as an Indiana fan,
take some sort of a seat cushion. Absolutely go, absolutely,
go and enjoy and soak in every moment, but take
a seat cushion. But for Notre Dame, you're not going

(21:35):
to the Rose Bull. You're not going to a game
at all. And I understand the frustration from Notre Dame.
But the reality is this, and we're going to get
much more into this over the course of the show.
Forever forever college football has been begging, pleading, and prodding
Notre Dame to join the conference, and Notre Dame forever

(21:55):
has said we don't need to, and forever Notre Dame
has been right. But finally the chickens came to roost
where the power was in the hands of college football
to say, we've been telling you forever that if the
day ever comes where you need to spend your credibility
card and ask for a favor, that favor is going

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to come in the form of you having a card
in your hand that says you're a member of a conference.
And if you don't have that, then too bad. So
sad your dad, you're out. And that's exactly what happened.
I'm not saying I agree with it. I'm not saying
that's right. That is one hundred percent what happened, one
hundred percent what happened. And Notre Dame has only themselves
to blame if that's the case, because they've been told

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forever that that day was going to come, and it
finally did. But as for Indiana, the number one team
in the college football playoff rankings getting a bye, now
sitting and waiting for the winner of Alabama and Oklahoma,
and the guy who was on the call not just
for basketball, but for football as well. Who deserves every

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flower come in his way for his loyalty and his
his tenure as the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers. Don
Fisher joins us next. He's Monday, It's twelve thirty.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
It's fish and Mendoza takes the snap, wants to throw it,
fires it down the field.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
It's for Elijah Soroadi makes.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
The couch touch down.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
Here's the snap field and kicks the ball.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
It is wide. It is wide wide to the left.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
He missed it.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
Indiana will take over the football.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
It's third down six. Fernando takes it back to throw,
fires it down the field and it is cold.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
Shay Bicker again, what a touch. Indiana has beaten the
Ohio State buck Eyes, the number one team of the Cup.
Ray Love Hooshiers have beaten the buck Eyes and Indiana
is going to the college football playoff and.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
I'm going to get a bye. Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Dawn.

Speaker 10 (23:57):
I'm glad you decide to stick around and so you
could see this because.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
You are a legend in this state.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
The Voice of the Hoosiers, Don Fisher joining Query and
Company on ninety three five and one oh seven to
five the fan the.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
Indiana Hoosiers are the undisputed, unblemished Big Ten Football champions
and the number one team in the land. And the
guy that has been there for every step of the
way throughout this journey from the depths as I talked
about with the Tale of Two Cities, right the depths

(24:33):
of Darkness to the Season of Light. Don Fisher, the
voice of the Indiana Hoosiers, joining us now on the
Java House Peel and poor guest line and Don, I'm
going to begin with this, I know, and I'll give
you all the credit in the world because you are
the one guy from the get go when it comes
to Kurt Signetti, there was never really a doubt in
your mind as to what the ceiling was going to

(24:54):
be for this team and how impressed you were. But
if you could for me, Don just summarize, I guess
the emotion or not just for you, but just for
that building and for that fan base of seeing it
all collectively come together on what was literally an unbelievably
special night at Lucas Oil Stadium.

Speaker 11 (25:17):
Well, the culmination, of course, was the third down pass
that Fernando Mendoza through to Charlie Becker, who made a
terrific catch and the throw was perfect. At that point,
you knew this game was going to belong to Indiana.
And I have my twin brother in Salt Lake City

(25:39):
calls me up the next day and says.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
You guys are a little bit too giddy there at
the last minute and a half. Something could have happened.

Speaker 11 (25:44):
I said, no, it can't, because Signetti is our coach,
and at any rate, I can just tell you from
my perspective, of course, hugely emotional ballgame, a great win
for Indiana Athletics, but more importantly a tremendous win for
the Hoosier Nation. A group of people, and I'm not

(26:06):
talking about everybody that's jumped on board here in the
last you know, a couple of years now. I'm talking
about the people who bought season tickets for year after
year after year back in the sixties and the seventies
and the eighties and nineties. The two thousands people who
have been coming in they out of football games forever,
and for me, those are the people that And I'm

(26:30):
not saying that the people who have jumped on board
shouldn't be there.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
They should be there.

Speaker 11 (26:34):
But my point is the people that have gone through
this for all these years and the struggles that Indiana
football has had. That to me is the most important
faction of folks that I want to think and stay
of hanging in there and staying with us and going
through all of what we've gone through and still continue

(26:55):
to buy tickets and spend the money that it took
to put to watch football at Indiana and a support
football at Indiana. And those are the people that I
feel the best for.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
Don you know, Bill Benner's going to join me coming
up in about an hour. I mean, he's a guy
that sat through countless numbers of sleet storms watching Lorenzo
White run for two hundred and sixty yards. And you know,
I mean on and on right, I mean right, And
it's those folks, right. And I think also about and
I'd mentioned this on Friday, and you and I've talked

(27:25):
about this. You know, Terry Hepner was a guy that
took that Indiana job and had this belief of kind
of what Kurt Signetti has delivered. And I don't mean
that to say one is that, you know, I mean
they're two separate men. I understand that, But but Hepner
had this belief of like, no, this is where this
program could go. And I think most of us probably
thought he was a little bit crazy back then, and

(27:46):
then unfortunately he got sick and he never got a
chance to see it to fruition and I'm watching that
on Saturday night. And that's what made me so happy
for Kurt Signetti was the fact that here's a guy
that came in with his own also his own vision
and his delivery of his own vision. But it was
parallel with that vision and belief that we had seen
preview of before and I never thought i'd see it, Don,

(28:10):
But that, to me is what made it so special
was the number of people there and there were those
people that believed that was possible. And even still, I'm
not gonna lie to you, Don, when you said unbelievable,
I thought to myself, no, I still don't believe it, right,
I mean, it was that incredible.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
It was there's no question about it.

Speaker 11 (28:27):
And look all I can tell you, and you're right
about Terry Hefner. He knew he could get this program
turned around, and he never got that opportunity because of
the glioblastoma cancer that he suffered brain tumor and died
in June, after his second season. And to me, that's

(28:47):
heartbreaking because and I know his son, Drew was at
the ballgame on Saturday, and my wife told me about
it yesterday, and I started blubbering because I.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
When I think of Terry Hepner, all I can do
is get emotional.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
Well, I know what he meant to you, don I
mean I don't. I wasn't there firsthand, but you can
hear it. And I think that for those that don't know,
anybody that was around him would understand why you feel
that way? Right? And I feel like yeah, And it's
like Kurt Signetti walks and exudes the energy and the
confidence that Terry Hepner tried to introduce to people. That's

(29:29):
the best way I can say it. If that makes sense, No.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
It makes sense. It makes perfect sense. And that's the
way to put it because.

Speaker 11 (29:35):
Hep was a guy that believed in Indiana football and
I know he knows he could have turned it around,
and he would have done it had he lived, but
he did not. And Kurt Signetti has followed whatever his
vision was, whatever vision that Terry had, he's fottled that up.
And you put it perfectly. That's exactly the way I
feel about.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
It, Don, when you look at you know, I thought
it was interesting after the game, Don, the voice of
the Hoosiers is our guest Joba House peeling, poor guest
line when when Kurt Signetti said, and he kind of
flippantly said it, which I enjoyed, but he said, you know,
now I got two weeks to get these guys to
turn around and refocus. And yeah, I had to laugh
because I thought to myself, I don't know that I

(30:16):
have seen a football team that has more in step
bought into everything his coach said to the point where, yeah,
I mean, are they going to go in and win
the Rose Bowl? I don't know that. But what I
do know is this, I don't think they're going to
go in and shoot themselves in the foot and not
show up, because that's just been I mean, you'd be
an idiot at this point to think anything other than

(30:38):
Indiana is going to go put their best foot forward, right,
And you know, were you able to see anything after
the game and the celebration, et cetera that was any
different in terms of their standard operating procedure from the
way he's always done things.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
No.

Speaker 11 (30:54):
I mean, here's the thing. He did allow his team
to stay out there in the field and celebrate it,
which you would expect that any coach would do that.
And so everything that I saw from Kurtzignetti postgame.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
And he had all kinds of.

Speaker 11 (31:08):
Responsibilities with the media. Fox interviewed him, of course, and
of course the Big ten network interviewed him, and he
had to do all these other things involved in that.
But the other thing about that is he took time
at the very I mean, we were on the air
for about forty five minutes after the game. We're usually
about twenty minutes after a ballgame in normal circumstances. It

(31:29):
was at least forty five, maybe fifty minutes that we
were still on the air after the ballgame was over with.
And he finally got to us, and I knew he
would if he had the time, if he had the opportunity,
And he finally got to us and got to talk
to our people on the air, and who's your nation,
so to speak, that listens on the radio. So I
just think the guy is first class in every way.

(31:52):
He's the greatest coach I've ever been around in the
sense of what he's accomplished, and without doubt, I think
this is a phenomenal for Indiana football that we've never
seen before. It's historic in every way, and it's a
renaissance for the program. And without question, I can't wait
for the rest of this season to fill itself out
because I think I think fans are going to be

(32:14):
just as excited about what we're about to see in
the college football playoff as they were through this twelve
wins season.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
You know, it's funny, don when people say, you know,
is so and so the best player of the century,
and you think, oh, gosh, I forget we're only a
quarter the way through this century, right. I mean when
I think century, I still think the nineteen hundreds.

Speaker 12 (32:30):
Right.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
What he's done is I don't care whether you're talking
nineteen hundreds or two thousands. It's the greatest college football
coaching job I've ever I think anybody walking the planet
right now has ever seen We've never seen anything like this. Now,
having said all of that, do you feel done that
there is still that there are still wrinkles to this

(32:50):
football team that can be presented, or new looks that
they can come up with for the playoffs, or are
they at the point now of this is who we are,
this is what we do, and we're confident in the
way we do it, and we don't need to readjust
game plans.

Speaker 11 (33:07):
Well, every game plan needs to be adjusted, there's no
doubt about that because of who you're playing, so that
factors into it. But here's the thing. It's not going
to change philosophically and it's not going to change process
wise for this Indiana football team.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
That's just a fact. He's been like this since he's.

Speaker 11 (33:26):
Gotten here, and I trust everything that he does in
that sense. His game plans are ridiculously good. And I
say that because I'll tell you who I thought was
the best offensive coordinator Indiana's ever had, and that was
Kaylin de Boor. Now how long ago was that? Not

(33:46):
that long ago? Right, But here's the thing about Kaylen
de Boor. He did a tremendous job here at Indiana
in one season, the COVID season with Michael Pennix, and
what he produced to that year was astonishing to me
because I thought, this guy really knows what he's doing.
And I still think that Kaylen de Boor is a

(34:07):
great football coach and he's getting all kinds of guff
at Alabama from the fan base because they've lost three times.
That kind of thing, and the fact that they made
the college football Playoff is in a lot of people's
minds is very very I don't know what the right
word would be, but a lot of people would say
they don't deserve to be there. I don't know if

(34:29):
they should or not, but I will say this that
Indiana is capable of beating anybody they play in this
college football playoff because Kurt Signetti's that good.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
And if we played.

Speaker 11 (34:42):
Kylen de boor or if we played Kirby Smart or
whoever the coach is, I will not take anything away
from Kurt Signetti's ability to dominate that football game with
his thinking process and how he goes about things. The
only way Indiana is going to get beat in this
college football playoff in my mind, because the other team
has more talent, because Indiana's talent is not what it

(35:04):
is to some of these programs, but the coaching is
beyond it.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
Don I got a kick out of it. I got
a good buddy of mine went to James Madison, and
you know, James Madison obviously got into the college football
plaoff as well, and he sent me a text that said,
it's great to be a JAMU fan because we have
two teams in the Big in the College Football playoff,
you know, after the Big Ten title game, because you know,
obviously some of the great players that say and that's
to me, that's such a tribute to Kurt Signetti because

(35:31):
when you look at players that started at James Madison
and now they're beating all you know, their key players
in beating Ohio State for crying out loud in the
Big Ten title game, and so much of that just
comes down to coaching belief, all the things we've talked about.
I wanted to ask you this, you had the ability
and you did both games, which was I mean, you
are the You're the lou garig right, You're the iron

(35:51):
horse of broadcasting. Because you did both games on Saturday,
you should probably have some sort of a throat lows
and endorsement. But but I will for those that don't know,
don and I got to give you that the ultimate
tip of the cap because people will say, well did
his voice hold out? That is mentally exhausting. I mean,
honestly doing broadcasting for that long and having to move

(36:13):
that quickly for those for games back to back is unbelievable.
Having said that, in doing basketball and football, you have
seen two legendary coaches India a lot of coaches, but
two legendary ones and Bob Knight and kurtz Signetti. The
reason I bring it up, Bob Knight was a coach
that when you went into a game, you thought to yourself,
the other team might have players, but they're not going

(36:34):
to be more prepared than Indiana. From an x's and
o's standpoint, the personalities aside, do you ever see or
feel similarity in terms of listening to the coaches in
terms of their preparation talk between those two guys that
you've had to do so many pregame shows with.

Speaker 11 (36:51):
Well, no, I don't see a difference. Coach Knight was
demanding on players of basically anybody in his program. Wasn't
emitting those people to be what they should be and
what they can be. That kind of thing you get
the same thing from Kurt Signetti. He hires the right people,
number one, because he vets them all. He knows who

(37:12):
they are before they get there, and he knows what
he's going to get from those people and they produce
for him. And that's the trust he has and the
people that he gets because he, like I said, he
vets everybody that's in the program. So and Bob Knight
did exactly the same thing. He wanted guys that were
going to buy into his philosophy, his thoughts, how to

(37:33):
play the game, those kinds of things. He did it
with players, he did it with coaches, He did it
with the people that he surrounded himself with. So, yeah,
they are so much alike in that vein. They are
totally different personalities. And I say totally different only from
the standpoint that coach Nias everybody knows was so controversial
and so many different ways. And Kurt Signetti, I don't

(37:54):
think is in that context. His personality is different in
that way Noll he handles players is different than what
Bob did. That's not a negative on either guy. It's
just the way it was at the time that they
were coaching and has been. So those kinds of things
change over the years, too, but they never I don't
think they ever changed with coach Knight and with coach

(38:16):
Signetti after his twenty six I think it was twenty
six years he was an assistant and learned a lot
of things from a lot of different coaches, and then
got his own programs at Indiana Rivers to Pennsylvania and
then Elon and that of course James Madison and now Indiana.
He doesn't vary from it, and in his philosophy and
his thinking process and how he goes about running the

(38:38):
program is as good as I've ever seen. And it's
simply so, very again, very simply like a lot of
what Bob Knight did, because he ran the program the
way he thought it should be run and it was
hugely successful.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
And vice versa with Kurt Signetti.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
Okay, lastly, Don, I wanted to ask you this. There
were a lot of people, understandably and rightly so person
being one of them, it talked about how happy they
were for Don Fisher to see that moment on Saturday Night.
So I'd like Don Fisher to say what individual or individuals.
I realize the fan base in general is all encompassing,

(39:14):
but was there anybody specifically that you thought of as
that game was ending that you thought to yourself, that's
who I'm happy for.

Speaker 11 (39:22):
Well again, and there's no individual.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
That I thought about that for I thought about that.
For the Who'sier Nation? I really did.

Speaker 11 (39:31):
I wanted this program to take off at some point
football wise, and even when it got started early and
looked like it might change, it has not. In all
those years, and that there have been a humongous number
of people coaches that I've enjoyed immensely at Indiana, Guys
that I had the greatest amount of respect for, Obviously

(39:53):
Bill Mallory and Bill Lynch and Terry Hepner and those
type of people. I loved all those people. They were
just great folks and they were really good coaches. They
just didn't hit it at the right time, and unfortunately
for all of us, Who's Your Nation suffered because of that,
And now it's changed completely. And that's why I'm really

(40:14):
happy for the entire Hoo's Your Nation because these people
have gone through a lot over the years.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
Well, don for the Who's Your Nation? You've been the
town crier for many years and that was more crying
probably than actual town bugle blowing. But so the time
is now and celebrate it and enjoy it. And January first,
at four o'clock, you will be calling a college football
playoff game in the Rose Bowl for the Indiana Hoosiers,
and we certainly look forward to it. I always appreciate
the time, Don, and I certainly hope you were able

(40:41):
to continue to enjoy what took place on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Absolutely appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Thanks ja Don Fisher joining us. The voice of the
Hoosiers will come back Mike Chapel in about twelve minutes.
There is one thing I wanted to play for you
that I heard after the game on Saturday, and right
then I just went, that's it. That's the reason. I'll
let you hear it next by Chapel by eight minutes
from now. So after the Indiana game, I saw this

(41:09):
clip and I said to myself, this is it right here,
This is how and why when you think about football
coaches and you think like, oh, okay, you know, their
job is to go out there and they come up
with the game plan. And then they're on the sidelines
and they're crouched over and their hands on the knees
and they're watching the game and they're figuring out what's
going to go on. And Kurt Signette's got that little
notepad and he's doing all that and like, what in

(41:29):
the world is he doing? Kurt Signetti was asked about
the Indiana situation on third down and the pastor Charlie
Becker with just over two and a half minutes to
go in the game, and listen to what he said
in his explanation on Indiana going all out on that play.

Speaker 10 (41:44):
When we started to drive, they had time and timeouts,
you know, enough time with their timeouts for about sixteen
plays at the start of our drive and then they
use their timeouts, and that you know, I wasn't going
to play not to lose. We were playing to win.
And the one thing, you know, we do spend a
lot of time on the clock, how many players are

(42:06):
left in the game, things of that nature. We've kind
of figured we had to get about three first downs.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
That's why I full of the team, so you got
to get a first down.

Speaker 10 (42:15):
I wasn't going to punt the ball back to him
with two minutes ago and no timeouts. We had to
give our guys an opportunity to make plays. We are
getting on top of them at certain points in that game,
and Fernando was throwing great deep balls and it was
great play.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
So this guy during the course of a game, when
everyone else is button down and they're looking at it
and they're like, oh gosh, you know, maybe they should
run the ball, maybe just past whatever. He has the
presence of mind in the course of a game to
be able to look at the clock and immediately associate
how many plays in the game are remaining, and to
be able to say this game has sixteen plays left

(42:52):
in it or twenty. Later he went on to say
he thought that that game had twenty plays left in it,
and that he thought if they could have and run
sixteen of those twenty plays, it would run the clock down.
Most people start thinking clock management with like forty five
seconds left. This guy's doing it with more than two minutes.

(43:13):
That like, with three minutes to go in the game.
He knows to the finite point, give or take a
play or two, how many plays are left in the game.
That is absolute chess. That is chess. And if you
wonder what it is that he's doing and why he
is brilliant, there is your answer right there.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I go back to one of his first press conferences, Jake,
I think I don't know if it was Big ten
Media Day, I think it was there. They were talking
about just like IU and how they were picked at
the bottom and like there was a lot of games
that would decide by one score. He goes, look at
my track record, like that's what I do. Like, I
win these one score games because we spend a lot
of time researching how to manage the clock, how to
win games late. And it's just really come to fruition

(43:55):
an Iola against Oregon Penn State, and again on Saturday
against Ohio. You saw why they win games late in
these one score possessions.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
I mean I heard that, and I'm like, Okay, that's
that's the behind the scenes nuanced Mike Chapel.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Next it's Querry in Company. I'm gonna be keeping you
company for the next few hours. You are not going
to believe the company.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
This company. You're in a bankrupt your mama's company. At
least I have the radio to keep me company.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
On ninety three to five and one oh seven five
the fan, here's.

Speaker 8 (44:22):
An RPO and it's an interception and it's picked off
by Devin Lloyd. Lloyd started right cutting too, has left.
He's going to be chopped down another twenty one yard
line by Josh Downs. Daniel Jones is down. Daniel Jones
can't even make it over to the sideline.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
If you looked at he is seated on the.

Speaker 9 (44:38):
Turf and he just slams his helmet to the grass
in frustration.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
Daniel Jones has an achy lease could be season ending.

Speaker 8 (44:46):
I don't have the full details on it, but we'll
get more clarity on that.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
But it's not looking good.

Speaker 8 (44:51):
Or inside of the gun bawling the right hash and
he's going to give off right side to etn slashes
inside the thirty.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
He's got an avenue. He's going to go down the
right sideline.

Speaker 8 (45:00):
You know the touch in the info for a touchdown untouched.
Final score at EverBank Stadium in Jacksonville, it's the Jacksonville
Jaguars thirty six. At the Indianapolis Colts nineteen. We got
everything we want in front of us, still at eight
like we're you know, we got to go, So we
got to get this thing cleaned up and get ready
for Seattle.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
We got a big one on the road. And that's
the message right there.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
It is true that everything is still before them. But
for the Colts, do not look in the rear view mirror,
because now have dropped three in row four of five,
and certainly there are question marks all over the place.
Some of those questions we will address now with Mike Chapel,
who joins us on the job house Peel and poor
guest Line Chap of course, with CBS four WXI in
Fox fifty nine, and the dean of Colts Writers chap

(45:42):
I'm going to begin with we'll start here. Clearly, I
think we all are under the assumption the understanding that
we will get confirmation on the Daniel Jones Achilles injury.
And pardon my ignorance on this, having been on the
air for the last hour, has there been any official
word yet today?

Speaker 13 (46:02):
No, it was my understanding. He was supposed to getting
an MRI at noon, and for those of us who've
had MRIs, they take about thirty thirty five minutes and
then I have no idea how long it takes to reading.
But no, but when Shane Stiken said what he said
last night from the podium, I mean, you.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Know, yeah, I mean everyone knows that, right.

Speaker 13 (46:22):
So confirmation will be you know, the door slamming. But
but this is where they are and it makes this
a perfect storm that didn't turn out well for George Clooney.
If if you saw the movie, I don't know, I

(46:44):
don't know what a worse a worst case scenario might
be than to be where the Colts are now, and
how it's funny here. Okay, I was mister positive a
minute ago on Twitter on X using the lex playoff simulator.
They've still got a thirty percent chance to make it
the playoffs. It drops to twenty five percent if they

(47:07):
lose at Seattle, and then if they win their last
three games they make a playoffs. So it is right
there in front of them. But we talked last week
that I had a hard time seeing how they came
out of this death spiral with Daniel Jones, you know,

(47:27):
and playing well, and now without him, I just I
just don't see it. You're asking a rookie to come
in and play who was a developmental quarterback. He'll give
them what he can give them, but it's just, I mean,
kind of court the odds are with all these simulators,

(47:48):
it's just a tough road to go, and I just
don't know how they do it.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Okay, Chap, Let's get to this. Okay, a couple of
angles here. I'm gonna go piece by piece. We'll begin
with Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones, and you know, he is
obviously out for the rest of this year. So the
first question with that is about Daniel Jones, and that
is he is a free agent. If there's one I guess,

(48:14):
and I hate to say this because I don't mean
this as a knock on him personally, but if there
is one silver lining, it's that the Colts had not
yet extended him, so they're not on the hook to
pay him for next year. Would you agree that this
would indicate that probably Daniel Jones has played his last
game as.

Speaker 13 (48:29):
A cult No, I would think, well, will.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
You shine him in l Do you sign him for
a dead cap year knowing that eventually you'll get him
back and that's your answer.

Speaker 13 (48:42):
That's the thing is, first of all, he lost his
shot at a really good multi year deal. He was
going to make fifty million guaranteed probably somewhere and that
whatever for year, contract whatever. And now I think you
bring him back on one of those prove it contracts,

(49:03):
so for a year, because you know it's like a
nine to ten month ideally rehab and that's that's ideal
and position specific probably quarterbacks to probably do it. But
that's that's the start of the season with no off season.
Uh So I think I think you're bring him back

(49:24):
because it'll be the best spot for him. But I
don't know what your next three or four questions are.
But then you still have to go out and get
your quarterback. Well that's okay in the off season, right.

Speaker 5 (49:36):
So, because here's the thing, I mean, I just I
my personal thought, Chap, I guess I'll respectfully disagree a
little bit here, and the fact that I get if
you want to sign him. The question is then the
timeline on when he's even able to play again, right,
and whether or not he's able to play next year
at the level that you need. But the second question

(49:59):
then would be for this year, is Anthony Richardson a
possibility at some point to play? And secondly, when Anthony
Richardson is cleared, does he automatically become their starter?

Speaker 13 (50:14):
Well, he's cleared to practicing, cleared to play are two
different things. And as of last week, Shane Sichin told
us at All that Richardson was able to do is
work in the weight room because with that fractured orbital
of bone, you just can't be jarring the body around,
your head around. So I and there's only four weeks
to go, so I unless if they open the window

(50:39):
to practice this week normally it's been two weeks or
so to play, then you got one game to go
or whatever. I don't think the timeline works. I really don't.
And let's say he's ready to go for the final
game of the season in Houston, and everything probably will

(50:59):
be decided about then as far as what you're doing
and where you're going. I I never thought he was
going to play again anyway because of the injury and
all that. And now I just don't see what what
the purpose would be but the cefs to see what,
to see what in the game, to see what in
two games. First, I don't think he'll be medically cleared.
I just don't. And then I you know, the timeline

(51:23):
doesn't work, and I'm not sure how enthusiastic the team
would be to put him back out there.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
So does he come back then next year as the
camp as you're opening camp.

Speaker 13 (51:35):
Starter, God, my first reaction is no, because I think
they showed this year they didn't think that was a
viable option. They meaning the coaching staff, I think I think, uh.
And then to say, well, and then can you imagine.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
The backdrack, the chap Here's the thing. It wasn't a
viable option at the beginning of this year because they
had another option. I know, I know, so next year
and maybe Riley Leonard maybe the you know, maybe this
is Rock Purty two point zero, right, maybe it's like,
oh gosh, you know what, we have something here this
Maybe it's Kelly hulkem. Hey, this guy's not bad. Let's
let's grow him. And maybe that gives you. But do

(52:18):
they really do that next year?

Speaker 13 (52:20):
I mean no, now what, you threw a lot of
things out there first. I don't think Rygery Leonard goes
into next season as maybe he's the guy. And I
don't want to dump on rodgiy Leonard at all. He
was putting a really bad situation yesterday, which backups, that's
the job of a backup. But I just don't see

(52:41):
they view him as Rock Purty, I just don't or
or one of those late ground or you know.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Pairs, right.

Speaker 13 (52:49):
But no, But so I guess the timeline would be
is is instead of wanting to get Daniel Jones resigned
pre injury before he's a free agent, before the middle
of March, whatever it is you'd want, you'd want to
get that done now there's no hurry to resign him.
So your first priority, if everybody's back and all that,

(53:12):
either way, I guess is who's your quarterback going into
the off season. I don't want the list is Mac Jones,
Kyler Murray. You want Kyler Murray here?

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Really?

Speaker 13 (53:23):
Uh? But that that's what you have, jameis Winston. Uh,
that's where you are again, and we saw how that
worked last time. It doesn't unless you get Philip Rivers
for one year. So the first priority would be figuring
out who your quarterback is, and then then you can
sign Daniel Jones to be almost a red shirt until October. Uh,

(53:47):
and then he's your I guess he's your backup if
you're if you're the guy you bring in as your
is your starter. It's just a mess. Uh. And the
what what everyone will talk about, and we will i'll
talk about, is is who's who's who's in line to
lead this group? What does Carlyer say, Gordon do? And

(54:09):
that's not a simple question. It really isn't the easy answers.
You blow it up. But there are circumstances that the
fan base is not going to want to hear. But
this is not going to be a slam Dunta. You
just blow it up.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
Jab. If you're Alec Pierce, why would you come back?

Speaker 13 (54:28):
We have money for one thing.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
He's going to get that money elsewhere.

Speaker 13 (54:32):
He's gonna get the money. Yeah. Yeah, I understand you're
be coming back to a place with a totally unsettled
quarterback situation when you can go to Gosh, Buffalo. I mean,
can you imagine him as Kansas City?

Speaker 9 (54:49):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (54:50):
Good point, although I will say that you know the
old bird in the hand if they come to him
in March first and give him pookoo bucks, that's a
really really good point. While you come back when you're
a deep threat receiver, when you have no clue who
your quarterback is going to be loyalty, I don't want

(55:13):
to hear that any player that's loyal to where he
gives a team a discount is not thinking straight. That's
a good point, but I still think they make a
hard push to resign him.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
Okay, Chap, last week we went through and believe you me.
I mean, obviously, when you're you're more in tune with
this than I. I'd still get confused by this. I
believe that you told us that when it comes to
the def Con ranking that def Con won was kisseryer
in Goodbye, right, wasn't that what you said? Okay, yep,
and you said that like you put it. I think

(55:49):
their season at def Con two point five going into Jacksonville,
they went down to Jacksonville, they lost. They now have
Seattle San Francisco too, to quote Hugh Lewis and Eddie
Garrison upcoming. And then now you have your quarterbacks gone,
You've got a rookie in there that is learning on
the job. What deaf Con are we on now?

Speaker 13 (56:09):
One and a half? Just because you know the bomb
hasn't dropped yet, it's we make light of this because
that's what we do. And the problem is people's you know,
they're still playing and people's jobs drew on the line.
So I don't want to make too much light of it.
But I'm just being we're just being realistic and and

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it's just hard to see how this team comes out
of this. And if you're not, you know, if you're
in the inside, you're you're you're locked in on Seattle.
Who is who might be the second best first bet
that may be the best team in the league right now.
The way they're playing and you're going on the road
and that's tough. So yeah, you try to say it's

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somewhat optimistic, but then reality slaps you in the face.
So if you're not Kevin, Kevin Bacon is sort of
that is that defcon one with Animal House, stay calm.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Or whatever it is.

Speaker 13 (57:08):
There's so many There's so many little little stippets. But
I'm just being realistic and they I don't think they
can take that approach at all, uh inside the complex
because this is their job. And I'm not going to
tell Quentin Nelson that this season is toast because he'll

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he'll in my life. But I just think, really, really,
really realistically, it's hard to see a path forward for
the next month. And it's really hard to get into
Carli Ercy's mind and see what she sees as far
as why this happened? Again, is is it Chris Baller

(57:52):
and Saint Stych And is it the injuries? And I
could argue the injuries have been a major detriment, although
they were, you know, taking on water certainly before Tanger
Jones went down.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
Chap my thing, I'm going to play contrarian here, Okay,
I'm doing this to point out both sides. It doesn't
mean necessarily that I'm intentionally trying to be the bad guy.
But with that said, my chap on my guest by
the way, Java House Peel and poor guest line from
CBS four and wxin when you look at evaluating, for example,

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if the trajectory of the franchise should still be guided
by the same person, and Chris Ballard, the reality is, yes,
the injuries, and I get it, but he somewhat mortgaged
the future by taking a position with the player who
does have injury history and committing to him by sending

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not one, but two of the picks that are usually used.
If that's the position that you need, that's where you
get after it. In a first round, they sent both
of their next two first rounders away to New York
for a corner, not a pass rush a corner. Do
you not look at that and say or would you
not be somewhat correct if you were looked at and say,

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I understand the gamble, but you knew the risk when
you took it, and you lost the risk, and therefore
we got to blow the whole thing up.

Speaker 13 (59:19):
I understand that, and you're right, I think what's more
damning personnel wise, is it quity pay in Lyle too
law to have not been what they need to be.
And that's it was a.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
Bad day for him yesterday because they lost a quarterback
and they had no pass rush.

Speaker 13 (59:36):
Right, yeah, zero sex and zero quarterbacks. He dropped back
thirty times or thirty two times with a couple of scrambles.
So that's what I'm saying. It's very and that's what
Carlier has to decide. She's got it, and I tell
you she is. She's just not big visible so she
can think and say, hey, look at the owners out there,

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really involved. No, she's she's more dialed in now than
her father was over the last couple of years for
a lot of reasons, and she will probably be more
analytical and be led by the brain more than by
the heart than maybe her her father would. So in however,

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she whatever she decides, and I'm sure she will, she
needs to sit up there and say this is what
we're doing and this is why, and whether you agree
or not, I think she's going to have very good
reasons for what she does now, whether the fan base
agrees or disagrees, that's part of being you know in
that seat as you deal with the bullets that come

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your way. So but as easy as this decision might
seem to be, if they end up, they'll find a
way to win another game. I just believe that. So
they finished nine and eight, than what I mean, you've
been five hundred for the last three years, which isn't
good enough. It just isn't so. But this is this

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is really gonna be interesting to see what her first
major decision is. Either way, it's going to be franchise shaping.
And if you blow it up, if you blow it
up with no first round draft picks for two years,
can you trade back in the first round next year
and get you mortgage whatever you can do to get

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up there. And if you blow it up, what do
you do? You just can't get rid of fifty three
players who are your core players like you talk with
the Alex Pearce's, Jonathan Taylor, Quinton Nelson, on and on
and on. That's why this is not just so easy
as you nuke it and then start over next year.

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That's not the way it works. So this is I
would love to spend an afternoon just sitting her in
her office and listening to her discuss all these different
scenarios because the easy it's, like I say, with any player,
the easiest thing is to get rid of it, and
the hardest thing and then the hard thing is they're replacing.

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But now you know factor that by fifty three and
I realize you can. You can replace the bottom half
of your roster. You can. There's always good players available,
but those top ten twelve players who mean everything. What
do you do? And I tell you, like we always say,

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until you get the quarterback fixed, it doesn't matter. So
priority one, once you decide what's what direction you're going,
is who's your quarterback? And as we've seen, that's a
tough decision when when you're always reaching for somebody else's discards,
they were discarded for a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
Chap when you look, Eddie points this out players that
are free agents at the end of next season, okay, right, Pittman,
Taylor Butner, Nelson, Rover Stewart, Anthony Richardson, Josh Downs. You
know all of those players, right. And then in addition
to that, obviously you have the question at quarterback they
do have Like for Pierce, for example, I guess they

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could tag him, but I don't know how much that
you know, we'll see if whether that pays dividends. But
it does feel like maybe this is the football God
saying it's time for a redirect. Okay, if that's the case,
when you look at the change in ownership and Carl
ursa Gordon and I say this not because of just

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because of the fact that this is the first year
that we have seen her at the helm, and yes
she has been around, and yes he's been carrying the clipboard,
and she's listening on the radio and all of those things.
If it comes down to it where she needs to
make a decision as to the direction of the franchise
and she parts ways with Chris Ballard, is there a
team of people you think that would consult with her

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as to who they would have their eyes on from
around I'm not saying that she wouldn't have her footprint
or her ear to the ground found on league wide this,
but she's not her father, who was around it for
forty five years and knew everybody. She will eventually, but
maybe not yet. Would there be people within the building
that would be able to guide her through that process

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or is it literally I'm making this call?

Speaker 12 (01:04:17):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:04:17):
I think I think should reach outside the building with
with the and the usual suspects, the Bill Pullians, the
Tony Dungee's people like that that she trusts. I assume
she trusts those people. I think you have to go
outside the building and I have all the trust in
the world with Ward and people like that. But you know,

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looking for a new coach or a GM that's not
their specialty. It would be uh, let's not get into
those search groups that some maybe there's more college or
what everybody. No, she'll have three or four voices that
she'll reach out to, and if that's the direction she goes,
this won't be that would be like, I'm the smartest

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person in the room. I don't need to listen to
Tony Dune or Bill Poli or whatever. I don't think
that's her at all. You have to have confidence confidants
that you that you trust and will listen to, not
saying you just take their word. You know, no knowing
how I think she is, She's probably in her head

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is thinking, well, if we do this, this might be
the direction we need to go. I'm talking personnel, I
mean names that she's got. Jim or so. I told
me that you've always got, you know, in the right
hand of your desk, You're always had an index card
with coaching possibilities and GM possibilities because you never knew

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when you might need them. So this will not It's
like she didn't become an owner Steward the day her
father passed away. This has been in the works, you know,
whether it was a year or two years, or five
years or ten years. She's been working ship working towards that.
And if the time comes and she that she resets

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the friends, it won't be okay, Now what do I do? No,
she she's she knows what she's doing, and she knows
what her options are. The difficulty is going to be
deciding whether it's option one, two or three. And I'm
not sure what three would because you know, one to
blow it up and two is to bring everybody back
and and go that way. So uh, I believe he

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is up for it, But I don't think this will
be a of the daughter's decision alone. They will reach
out and they will talk with people who have been
through this, who who who've who know a lot and
have a great experience, and then they'll make decision. Whatever
the decision is.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
The quarterbacks that would be available as free agents for
next season. Daniel Jones heads the list, but obviously we
know the situation there after that, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson,
Marcus Mariota, Zach Wilson, Tyrod Taylor, former Coleton, Joe Flacco,
and then Eddie right there, widow Hands, Jimmy Pickett, Kenny
Pickett in his little hands, Jimmy Garoppolo, Mitchell Trubisky. If

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that gives you an idea of what we're that's.

Speaker 13 (01:07:18):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Yeah, that's what I thought.

Speaker 12 (01:07:20):
Mac.

Speaker 13 (01:07:21):
I thought Mac Jones is going to be available. But
I'm not looked there. I'm not done that yet. But
that that's our point. And you name and name all
these names, and that's the point. Uh, where do you
go to bring in? I guess it would be a
stopcap until Jones gets ready. I don't know, but it's

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not enticing. So and again, as we've talked, if you
decide to reset and and just start over, what's that process?

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Two years?

Speaker 13 (01:07:52):
Three years? This isn't. This isn't n I l to
where Kurtz Signetti comes in and all of a sudden,
you're you're going to play for the national championship. You know, yes,
you can buy players, but not quite like not quite
like they do in college.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
So if it's kurtig, if we're doing the Kurt Signetti model,
then that means the Colts hired the head coach of
the Saskatchewan rough Riders and he brings half the roster
with him. I know, right, I know.

Speaker 13 (01:08:17):
So again, as much as the simple answer as you
blow it up, it's not simple. Well no, that's as
simple to blow it up, but there are so many
ways that that you have to figure out. Well, then
what you know, after the dust settles, then what you got.
You know, you get the frame of a house and

(01:08:38):
that's it. So I and again until you get the
quarterback done. And it doesn't look to me like the
twenty twenty six and director is going to be all
that great quarterbacks after all. So where do you go?
I don't know, I don't and we'll all speculate about it,
and it's interesting discussion, but it's not easy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:09:01):
The easy thing is to blow it up and start over.
And then again, you've already had your your fan base
be frustrated and anxious over the lacks of success over
the last gosh, ten years and now they're going to say,
you know, but we can fix this. Just stick with
us for two or three more years. And you're not
building around Andrew Lucker, Peyton Manning, you're building around what again.

(01:09:27):
You can read the names again, there's just there's just
nobody even remotely where you can say, you know, this
would be interesting. Who which one of those guys would
you say, you know this atur some interest. I didn't
hear one name on there. They say, you know, maybe
I didn't hear one name.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Chap on the mac Jones front, He'll be entering the
last year that's to your deal. He just signed this
passed off season with San Francisco, so the Colts would
have to trade for him if they wanted to go
that about And I know you talked talked about this
with Jake that at noon. It was Daniel Jones having
that Mr. You guys have to meet, as in the
media beat machine psych in half an hour, so I
would assume that is when we will find out the

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determination on the seriousness of the tear, if it's a
complete terror or just a partial tear.

Speaker 13 (01:10:12):
Yeah, I think we got Shane at twelve twenty two twenty.
I just would assume he's gonna say, he'll, you know,
close the door on that, because it to not do that,
it makes no sense. And I'm telling you a lot
of injuries you don't know what it is really with
knees and all this. I think with an achille, you know,

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he reached right down for the back of his leg.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
It was so classic, right, you tried to take the
two steps, then you go back down again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
Yeah, unfortunately, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:10:44):
It's some of them. You don't know this one. You know,
I'm ninety nine percent sure, and the one of the
person I was texting last night is yeah, that's what
we think. But we're gonna wait for the MRI. And
and that's when the MRI I'll come back and say
this is what it is, and they move forward.

Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
Mike Chapel CBS four, WXI in Fox fifty nine will
have it all covered as we continue with this story
as it develops. And then tomorrow night, it is my
favorite night of the year. Nobody but Chap and I
probably care, but it is our I believe it's tomorrow
night is our dinner, correct.

Speaker 13 (01:11:16):
Chap six o'clock. I will be there. I would walk
from Beechcrove to there, and I can't walk very well,
so I always afford to that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:25):
I do as well. Chap We look forward to seeing
you then and I appreciate it as always. We'll lay
well my chapel joining us. He will get his course
light on ice tomorrow when we have our And I
have always said to me, it is the thrill of
all thrills, the honor of all honors. That what began
with Robin Miller putting together at dinner with all of

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the former Indianapolis Star writers, and I began my time
in indie media wise, in the job that Robin helped
facilitate as one of the grunts on the AGAP bureau.
I basically took in box scores and typed him into
a computer that ended up going on on the backpage
year sports pages. And even with that, they were always
gracious enough to include me. And I just sit like

(01:12:05):
a fly on the wall and listen to the legends
tell stories.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Yeah, can you tell me the score of South DA,
Kona State and Wyoming. I need to know if to
cover the thirteen and a half, we used to get a.

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
Lot of that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Oh yeah, you happen to know that it's.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
Always like two in the morning. One of the guys
that helps put together that dinner has sat through more
Indiana football games over the last half century than anybody
should care to admit, and he's one of the most
influential and powerful writers of this town has seen. Bill
Benner joins to celebrate next. Obviously, he has been a

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guest on this program for many a reason over the
course of the years. Obviously a veteran to the Indianapolis media,
both from a radio and print standpoint, and has worked
tirelessly the champion this city and its franchises for many
many a year and decade. But there is no sport
and no team. I don't want to speak for him,

(01:13:02):
but I'm going to do it nonetheless that I think
Bill Benner would tell you that he was more anxious
to see and more thrilled to see finally breakthrough and
get their due than the Indiana Football fighting Hoosiers. Because
when you think about those days when Blake Ezor were
running for like five touchdowns and you know Eric Hunter
was carving them up in whatever it might be in

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forty degrees sleet storms in November with a two and
five team, you'd see like three people in the crowd,
and one of them was Bill Benner, And so I said,
you know what, I got to have him on, to
give him his flowers and give him his moment. And
he joins us now on the Java House Peel and
poor guest line the former Indianapolis Star columnist, among many
other responsibilities he's had, Bill, how are you.

Speaker 12 (01:13:46):
It's hard to be better, you know, trying a lot
to I can't I can't wait. The spine off my face,
still trying to get my voice back from Saturday night,
enjoying the u of the moment, scut the Maury with
high blood pressure as I made our flight, hotel and

(01:14:09):
ticket reservations for the Rose Bowl, and just thoroughly enjoying
this moment and what it means, both in them now
and both in the history of indian and university athletics.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
Okay, let's go to the history of it. Bill and
I want to begin with this. For those that are unfamiliar,
you have been going to Indiana football games for a very,
very long time. You've seen a lot of bad football. Truthfully,
when you look back over the you know, just just
looking through the photo album of games, you've attended. What

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is the point where you say to yourself, If I
could go back to that moment and get in the
ear of Bill Benner in that moment and say, in
twenty twenty five, you're going to be the number one
ranked team in the country going to the Rose Bowl,
what is what was the low point? What is the
one point where you say to yourself, that was where
it most tested me whether or not I wanted to
continue to torture myself.

Speaker 12 (01:15:10):
I think I think it was Ah not till I
Kevin Wilson. I believe it was the coach and Indiana
lost to Rutgers, and I think it was like fifty
six to fifty two something like that, and I don't
remember the exact year, but it was, you know, twenty fourteen, fifteen,
something like that. And I remember getting in the car

(01:15:32):
with my lovely wife, Sherry, who was set there next
to me during all of this, and I said, we're
not going to listen to Fish, We're not going to
listen to the post game. We're just going to turn
off the radio and I need to be silent until
at least we get the four sixty five. And that

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was probably the moment where I wondered if there ever
ever would be a moment like the one that occurred
Saturday night. And I know I speak for so many fans,
so many of us who have been there for the years.
And you know, Jake, I had to sustain my fandom

(01:16:17):
during my years as a sports trial and the columnist
for the Indianapolis Star. Sometimes I was able to express
my frustrations and anger and imprint and opinions about the
direction or misdirection of the AU football program. But now
to see how has said, how it's evolved so quickly

(01:16:41):
under Kurt Signetti, it's just it's, you know, for even
for an old journalists, it's beyond I don't have the words. It's,
you know, amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
I'll tell you what, Bill, And by the way, the
game of which you're speaking October seventeenth of twenty fifteen,
Indiana losing fifty five fifty two to Rutgers. And actually,
you know what's funny is you mentioned that that for
you was like the darkest moment. I asked your wife
the same question and she said, well, actually, the greatest
moment Indiana history was the time Bill didn't want to
talk in the car for forty minutes and I said, yeah,

(01:17:13):
that's probably weird. So I worked out. But you know,
it's a nice balance there, you know. Bill, We're driving
down Saturday, and Shannon says to me, you know, she's
and she's a sports fan. She gets and understand sports.
But she said, now, Jake, just put this in perspective
for me, like just this curse signette and all this.
And I said, Shannon, and Bill, I want you to

(01:17:34):
tell me if you think this is hyperbole. I said
it literally. Shannon would be the equivalent if you consider
that for fifty years, if the Pacers went twenty five
and fifty five every year, and maybe they had a
glimpse for three or four seasons where they made up
playoff and got swept in three games by the Nets
or something, but for the most part, they have been

(01:17:55):
the downtrodden of the NBA for a lifetime. And then
they just decided to do something different and they hired
the head coach of the Reno Renegade of the G
League or the CBA. And the guy comes in and
brings with him two of his best players from Reno,

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and they literally turn around and in the first year
they go fifty five and twenty five. In year two,
they're sixty and twenty and then the number one seed
in the playoffs. That literally is what we're talking about,
is it not?

Speaker 12 (01:18:25):
Well, it is. It's one of the most incredible sports
turned around. Turnaround is not just a major college history,
but in sports history. To imagine where Indiana was. And again,
they've had their moments. I thought Tom donand was going
to be the right guy, and but that's flame burned

(01:18:49):
brightly for a short time and then and then it
went out and we returned being a football. Kevin Wilson
had a couple of moments. We Cam Cameron had the
greatest offensic player in the history of the Big Ten,
a Kwan Rangel. Well, I thought that was going to
be the moment, and they never even went to a
bowl game, certainly other Bill Mallory, I just there have

(01:19:12):
been moments where you thought, yeah, yeah, yeah, But to
have this evolved so quickly, and with you know, the
self described misfense, it's just it's beyond beyond description. It's truly.

Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
It's the bad news Bears, right, it's the bad news Bears.

Speaker 12 (01:19:35):
Yeah you know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:38):
Okay, let me ask you this, Bill, when you were
and I asked Don Fisher this earlier, but I want
you to really think about this, okay, And I read
you know, I know that you have a dear friend
that also was driving in you know, an hour per game,
one thousand times over the course of fifty years, whatever
it might be. But as you were sitting there watching it, Bill,

(01:19:58):
and the can Fetti's flying through the air, and Kurt
Signette's holding up that trophy, and Bernanda Mendoza's like spew
and spit everywhere and singing songs on national television and
everybody's soaking it in. Bill Betner thought of who.

Speaker 12 (01:20:17):
I thought of all my close friends who have gone
through this with me, including the person that I mentioned
to you in a text last week, who have who
have gone through the low mines, who have hung in there,
who have we've enjoyed the tailgates. We found uh, we've

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found fun even in We've found light even in the darkness.
And so I thought, I thought of my pals. And
you know, I'll get emotional too, I thought, Uh, of
course he was standing next to me and so we're hugging.
I thought of my wife, who was endured by passion

(01:21:00):
for are you football who's set there next to me
in miserable weather and sunshine and hot and wants to
just lose another game and wondering what the hell will
we get? Why the hell were we doing this? And
I and I don Fisher mentioned him. I did think

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of Terry Hener because the person that I quote more
often than not when it comes to are you football
Heep's famous quote was if you think you can or
you think you can't, you're right. My wife has heard
that quote hundreds of times. And Kurt Signette thought we

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could even when we thought we couldn't. And now he's
gone out improven it with these with these guys who
have bought into this program, who bought into this belief,
and now here we are headed tour the number one
right team in the country, hadn't the Rose Bowl and hopefully.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
Beyond now Bill, as a fan, you have to ask this,
do you have a preference whether it's Alabama or Oklahoma?

Speaker 12 (01:22:11):
No, I don'tkay them on, but wind them up, line
them up. I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't
care who he is.

Speaker 14 (01:22:19):
I think Indiana can win. I think again, if you
think you can't, you think you can't You're right. I
think in Indiana can beat Alabama Oklahoma. I think they
can beat whoever comes out of the other bracket. I
think this team that won the national championship and truly
truly shock the entire world once again.

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
It would be I can't even imagine it if they
were to win it all. It truly is. You know
that somebody pointed this out to me. Bill, There is
no way in God's green Earth times a thousand lifetimes
that I ever would have guessed that Indiana football would
win the Big Ten football turn you know, title game
championship and go into a college football playoff before are

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Indiana would win a Big Ten basketball tournament?

Speaker 12 (01:23:04):
Yeah, yeah, I mean yes, that's another astounding fact that
this football program. You know, and I believe in the
reason I think he's going to get this basketball program.
But yeah, I mean, you can't read any national publication

(01:23:25):
that doesn't refer to Indiana's basketball background, right there's there.
Every football story refers to Indiana, as you know, this
quote unquote basketball school. And now that is that has
changed for the moment moment. Hopefully we'll uh we'll become
a basketball and a football school again.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
Bill will see you tomorrow night. I look forward to it.
I have mentioned before on numerous occasions that to me,
I certainly understand the fly on the wall nature of
the dinner that you put on, in the fact that
I'm just kind of like the you know, I'm a
plus one. But nonetheless it is great fun. Chap just
talked about how much he looks forward to it as well,
and I look forward to it. And we'll have to

(01:24:07):
buy you an extra celebratory drink tomorrow night for Indiana.

Speaker 12 (01:24:11):
In celebration and memory of our late great power Robin Miller,
my dearly beloved brother David, who would have loved this
moment so much. And yeah, I really look forward to
seeing her by tomorrow night, Jake, and glad you're part
of the group.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
Bill will see you then and go Hoosiers. Bill better
joining us, Java House, Peeling Port guest Line. Indiana was
a great story. There were two not so great stories
when it comes to football in the state. And as
I mentioned up the top at one o'clock tailor of
two cities, we'll get back into that next. This is
the theme song right now for Notre Dame football, not

(01:24:53):
just Notre Dame, and this is the theme song on
West fifty sixth. I'm not sitting here trying to forecast
doom and gloom. I don't even know that I need
to forecast it. It is just the reality. And the
reality is that the Colts are in a world hurt

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because they have no quarterback and now they have no
first round pick in the next two years, and they
have players that are going to be aging and some
contracts that are up, and it is hard pressed to
think that they are going to be able to even
get into the playoffs this year. They have lost three
of four or no. Three in a row, four or five, sorry,

(01:25:34):
and yeah, the playoffs are still within play for them.
But Riley Leonard, nothing against him, is going to be
the quarterback the school in which he departed last year
or came out of Notre Dame. Obviously he had played
at Duke as well. But you know, they electing not
to even go to a bowl game because they were
omitted from the College Football playoff. And I certainly understand

(01:25:56):
the frustration from Notre Dame fans about that. I said,
my I think they're one of the best eight best
teams in college football, but there's a reason they were
left out. We'll get into that and we'll talk about
the Tale of Two Franchises, one city, three franchises, one
state next. That's how it sounded over the course of
the weekend, starting with Saturday night at Lucas Oil Stadium,

(01:26:19):
Indiana the Big Ten champion, the number one seed in
the College Football Playoff. Don Fisher on the call you
heard from Kurt Signetti from when he was first hired,
Google me I win, and he has done that as
the Hoosiers now are the champions of the Big Ten
and head on to the Rose Bowl on January first
to take on Alabama or Oklahoma. Now it is, in fact,

(01:26:46):
like Charles Dickens said in the Tale of Two Cities,
it is the best of times. It was the worst
of times. It was the age of wisdom, it was
the age of foolishness. It was the epic of belief.
Kurtz Signet he had that belief right and incredulity, that

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meaning a disbelief and for certain even though it was,
as Charles Dickens said, the season of light talking about
Indiana and this new horizon they've reached, it was also
the season of darkness, perhaps for the Colts, because what
we now know is this You heard Matt Taylor, you
heard Lara Overton on the Colts Radio Network. In Daniel

(01:27:26):
Jones the injury in Jacksonville, Eddie Garrison, if we could
please the breaking new sounder, it is now official. Daniel
Jones in fact does have a torn achilles. He is
officially done for the season for the Indianapolis Colts. And

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in fact, these are two teams and two different directions,
two storylines that are massive storylines. Here on this Monday,
good afternoon to you Jake Quarry along with Eddie Garrison
here on Query and Company, and I talked about out
from the IU standpoint what you saw in that game.
And I know Ohio State can sit here and say,

(01:28:09):
well the buck Eyes. I mean, you know, they got
bigger things to worry about. They got bigger fish to fry.
They're coming off Michigan. That was their big priority. Okay,
keep in mind that the last time that Ohio State
won the Big Ten Championship, they only got in because
they changed the rules in mid season because it was
the COVID year to prohibit Indiana from going in and

(01:28:30):
playing in it. Because they wanted Ohio State the opportunity
to go into the College Football Playoff. I get it,
but they needed a tweak. That's how long it's been
since they've won the Big Ten title. It's not like
this is a FATA complete that they do that every year.
Usually they lose to Michigan and can't even get to
that opportunity. Indiana came out. All we heard about going
into that game. All we heard about the Ohio State

(01:28:52):
front four Mendoza's never seen a defense like Indiana's. Indiana's
going to be quaking in their boots and looks. I
love the receiving corp of Ohio State, but what do
we hear from everybody? Oh Man different cylinder would just
wait that this offense is unbelievable. And you know what
Indiana's defense was the storyline of that game. Indiana flat

(01:29:12):
out punched Ohio State right in the mouth and kicked
their damn teeth in and Ohio State, for the first
time this season, tasted their own blood and had no
idea how to react to it. You can tell me
till the cows come home that Ohio State Sam bagged it.
You can tell me that Ryan Day didn't want to
show in open his whole playbook. Maybe that's true. I
don't know, and maybe, in fact, if they meet in
the national title game, Ohio State beats him by twenty

(01:29:33):
one points. All I know is on Saturday, there was
one team that went out there, took a huge hit
early in the game to their quarterback. Everybody was sitting
there saying, holy cow, holy cow, it was the season
of light and now it's the season of darkness. Because
as Indiana fans were sitting there and looking at it

(01:29:54):
and watching it, they were thinking it was going to
be a winner of despair, like Charles Dickens said in
the Tale of Two Cities, because Mendoza was laying there
on the turf, and yes, his younger brother comes in
for a play, right, And the whole time you're saying
to yourself, this went from belief to incredulity and the

(01:30:17):
sake of one play, just like it says in that book.
But Indiana comes back, punches Ohio State right back in
the mouth and wins in an epic game. Now, as
for the Colts, I'm not saying that we're at the
point now that this is a winter of despair, but
it's starting to feel that way. And for Chris Ballard,

(01:30:41):
who just a month ago we were talking about like
you've got to extend it now. He and Shane Stikeen,
this holy trinity of Stikeen, Ballard, Daniel Jones, symbiotic nature,
general manager, quarterback, all of it, all of it right.
But yesterday was a really bad day for Chris Ballard.

(01:31:03):
It was I'm not trying to kick a guy when
he's down. But when they were seven and one, we
were rightly and understandably giving Chris Ballard his flowers. Hey,
everything's worked out, all the buttons pushed were working. But

(01:31:23):
I go back to this, I talk a lot about
precedent and when Daniel Jones was on the field, and
I was at googmin House brewing yesterday for our Franciscan
Health November celebration Men's Health Fair, and it was awesome.
Those that came out, Thank you for coming out. It

(01:31:44):
was a great turnout, great show. Good seeing everybody and
getting hell screening done and everybody's sitting there watching and
all of a sudden, Daniel Jones. You see him bang
in the field and banging his helmet and trying to
walk and send him back down. And I thought of
two things instantly, Like many of you. I thought of

(01:32:05):
Tyrus Haliburt in Oklahoma. Holy cow, are we cursed? Is
a curse of cutting Peyton Manning? What is it with
this town? Can't have nice things except for Tale of
Two Cities, Best of times and worst of times. The
best of times had happened just the night before, right
there in the Colts Home Stadium with Indiana. But to

(01:32:27):
focus on the Colts. As I was watching that, I
thought to myself, there's something about the turn of luck
which made me think of Andrew Luck. And it made
me think of precedent of where I think what we're
seeing now we've seen before. And that's why it was
a bad day for Chris Ballard. Because when Andrew Luck

(01:32:50):
had his rookie year, and I remember it, I covered it.
I did the Reggie Wayne Show. Then we did a
show with Reggie Wayne every year. I think it was
either Tuesday or Wednesday night. And yes, the year started
out with terrible news of Chuck Pagano's illness and then
Bruce Arians coming in is the interim head coach. But
Bruce Arians and Andrew Luck had this weird symbiotic thing

(01:33:13):
where every button Bruce Arians pushed Andrew Luck was able
to respond. And Andrew Luck's a generational talent, no doubt
about it. But suddenly the Colts found themselves in position
where they were exceeding expectation, and that caused the Colts
to make a huge error. And Jim mersay rest his soul,

(01:33:33):
I think was the driving influence of this, even though
Ryan Grigson was the one that kind of was labeled
with it. But what the Colts did and where they
aired then, and the precedent that we saw for yesterday
was this. The Colts, when Andrew Luck had immediate success
as a quarterback, didn't allow it to organically grow. They

(01:33:56):
didn't build organic lee the pieces before him in terms
of an offensive line, and get him young same age
as he wide receivers not one, but like multiple, and
they went out and they pushed all in too early,
and over the course of a season or two, they
went out and they signed Goster Shareless and Eric Walden

(01:34:19):
and Ricky jan Rancois and Lron Landry, and they got
Andre Johnson and they got Frank Gore and these guys
that were like in literally it was one am past
midnight of when they turned into a pumpkin, and the
Colts mortgaged their future for an immediate payoff, and it
blew up on them. And you saw what happened with

(01:34:40):
Andrew Luck with Daniel Jones. The Colts started seven to one.
Everything was working perfectly. It exceeded expectations. It was this
incredible storyline and it was the symbiotic nature between coach
and quarterback and then the general manager. And Chris Ballard
got his flowers because it was like, man, you know what.
He built an offensive line, he did the things. This

(01:35:01):
is paying off. This is a good roster. And then
where I think they aired, and I understand it. I
don't think it was egregious, but we can look back
and say it was bad when they made the trade
at the deadline for Sauce Gardner, a corner and a

(01:35:21):
very very good one and may still well be a
fabulous player. That is Dion Sanders and and Bob Sanders
wrapped into one for this town and fans will love him.
But they traded two first round picks to get him.
They pushed all in and I think they went too
aggressive too early. And I'll give Chris Ballard this much credit.

(01:35:43):
They have not yet signed Daniel Jones to a big extension.
Can you imagine the additional buzzkill of yesterday if they
had just signed Jones to a four year, one hundred
and thirty million dollar deal. They can get out of
it now if they need to, because he's a free
agent at the end of the year, and what we
now know is next year already big time in question.

(01:36:05):
At the very least, he's not actively running around making
throws until week one of the season next year.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
That's about a nine month recovery. We put it up
against the start of the year.

Speaker 5 (01:36:16):
Right, and that's just to get out there and throw.
But now you're in a real predicament. You're in a
real hurt because where do you go at quarterback. Now
you have Anthony Richardson who has the orbital bone fracture

(01:36:41):
and hasn't even gotten back into the point of being
able to run through contact or even think about it
at this point. And there's only four games left, so
that's probably not going to be the case for this year.
You have no idea what that availability is going to
be next year. And in addition to that, do you
because a lot of times in pro sports, believe me
when I tell you this, a lot of decisions are

(01:37:02):
made when it comes to coaches or franchise players, not
based on what happens when that player comes in, but
rather how it looks when you've got to then depart
from it, and with Anthony Richardson, who you've already pretty
much turned the page on, if you then go back
to it and say, he's our guy next year, what
if he plays well? What if he starts to show

(01:37:26):
some glimpse, then all of a sudden you have to
re sign him, and you're back into the situation that
you probably were trying to walk yourself away from. Or
you could say, we'll develop Riley Leonard. Okay. At that point,
Alec Pearce is going, yeah, I'm a free agent. I'm
probably out of here. And Michael Pittman JUNR Is going,

(01:37:48):
I got one year left on my deal. Do I
really want to be around for the development year two
of a guy that is heading into year three that's
learning on the job. To Forest Buckner. All kinds of players, Nelson,
A lot of them become free agents, or you go
out and sign yourself a quarterback for next year. Aaron

(01:38:09):
Rodgers the ghost thereof the drama that comes with it.
How to work out for Pittsburgh. Can he pick it
in his widow hands? He might be the best one available.
Carson Wentz, Joe Flacco, Gardner Minshew, the hell, let's bring
back every Let's see what Matt Ryan's doing. Philip Rivers,
Philip Rivers, Dad Gungett. You know, I mean, there's where

(01:38:31):
you tournament. So then you say, well, then you draft one.
And that's what I mean when I say they aired
because they sent not one, but two first round picks
out already, and they don't make a first round pick
over the next two years. And the NFL is not
like the NBA. You don't just turn around to Jonathan
Taylor and go, who wants him? Set us a first

(01:38:52):
round pick. Marshall Fault got you a third and to fifth.
I know, saus Gardner got you two number ones, but
there's a reason why everybody's like, whoa, whoa. We weren't
a lot of teams willing to give up two number
ones for. And sausgart is a wonderful player, don't get
me wrong, but he wasn't a player they needed. It
was a bad day for Ballard, not just because of
all those things, but because Trevor Lawrence Yesterday dropped back

(01:39:13):
thirty times, and Trevor Lawrence never once was rushed. Trevor
Lawrence never once was hit. Trevor Lawrence never once was sacked.
And what's the area that Chris Ballard has worked more
tirelessly and more adamantly repeatedly trying to fix. But pass
rush and Leatu Latu didn't get to the quarterback, and

(01:39:35):
Quitty pay didn't get to the quarterback, and I realized
to Forrest Buckner. We know the situation there. But it
was a bad day all the way around because the
Colts now and then they got to go home and
they got to watch Houston come back and beat Houston
and beat Kansas City. So they are in a world
of hurt. It was the best of times. It was

(01:39:55):
the worst of times. That's sports in Indianapolis right now.
And then you get to the other team, You get
to the other team in the market when we're talking
about football, not Prdue, not Marion. We know what happened there,
not you Indy who by the way, great season for
them in coach Keievers, but they were knocked out last weekend.

(01:40:18):
The Notre Dame fighting irish and people listen, I get
to quote Ted last who. People give me all kinds
of guff because like, we don't do enough for Notre Dame.
Whatever else. Notre Dame is not an Indianapolis market team
per se. They are in Indiana, but they're a national brand.
But I understand that they have a large fan base
here and they're a national brand. And we haven't really

(01:40:42):
gotten into this, but for the college football playoff rankings.
In nineteen ninety, Notre Dame signed a contract exclusive with
NBC in nineteen ninety. It paid him thirty eight million dollars.
Holy cow, thirty eight million dollars Notre Dame is getting

(01:41:07):
from NBC. Why in the world would Notre Dame ever
join a conference. You can watch Notre Dame on national
television no matter where you're from, on NBC and they're
getting thirty eight million. They can go and recruit a
kid from Corona, del Ray, California, Fairbanks, Alaska, Savannah, Georgia,

(01:41:32):
Reading Pennsylvania. They can any of those guys and say
your mom and dad, your high school coach, your best friend,
your high school girlfriend. They can all watch you every
Saturday if you come play for Notre Dame because we're
on NBC. Thirty eight million they're paying us. And so
if you're Notre Dame, you're saying, why in the world
will we join the Big Ten or the ACC or

(01:41:53):
the Big East or the Big twelve or the Big
Eight or whatever conference has existed thirty thirty five years ago,
right thirty eight millionaire. Since then, Jim Delaney to Big
Ten said, you know what, I'm gonna start a television contract.

(01:42:14):
I'm gonna start a network, call it the Big Ten Network.
We're gonna air nothing of the Big Ten games. The
Big Ten Network eventually is going to get in partnership
with Fox Television and the Big Ten. Because of this network,
guess what we can actually go to If you are
the University of Minnesota and you're recruiting a kid from
Corona Delray, California, or Reading, Pennsylvania, or Fairbanks, Alaska, or Savannah,

(01:42:37):
Georgia or anywhere in between, no worries. You can tell
them now you can watch your kid play every week
because if they're not on a network otherwise, they're gonna
be on the Big Ten network or on streaming or
any other such thing. And because of that, the Big
Ten then grew itself even more and they got into

(01:42:59):
the New York market and DC market and the LA
market and the Pacific Northwest market and now the Big
ten network in the Big ten ubiquitous and guess what, NBC,
who paid Notre Dame thirty eight million dollars in nineteen ninety,
thus causing Notre Dame to say, we never need to
join a conference, and they didn't back then. NBC now

(01:43:23):
pays the Big Ten three hundred and fifty million dollars
a year, staggering money, especially when you consider that that
doesn't even buy them the top games in the Big
Ten because those games are prioritized elsewhere in the Big
Ten network, within the Fox Television Network and et cetera.
As part of the deal that pays the Big Ten

(01:43:45):
seven billion dollars with a b billion dollars over seven years.
And the Big Ten tried endlessly years ago to get
Notre Dame. Come to us, come to us, We'll get
you money. We're good. We got NBC, we're linked to them. Okay.

(01:44:06):
Then the College Football Committee, the athletic directors, the different conferences,
the ACC, the Big East, they all went to Notre
Dame because yes, Notre Dame is the biggest brand in
college football with the biggest recognition and automatic fan base
due to let's be real here, not just their football tradition,

(01:44:27):
which is outstanding, but they're understandably impressive and you know,
naturally historic theological tie you're a Catholic kid growing up
in Pennsylvania, California, you like Notre Dame. So Notre Dame

(01:44:48):
continued to say, we don't need to join a conference.
We got our own television network, we got our own deal.
So does now everyone and so events. Even though Notre
Dame was a big enough brand with a big enough
tradition and a big enough marketing draw that leagues definitely
wanted them. But eventually, the ACC, the Big East, the

(01:45:11):
Big Ten, all of these leagues, they basically grew to
resent Notre Dame's defiance in joining the party, and they
told Notre Dame repeatedly, that's fine if you want to
be on your own, if you refuse to play at
the big kids table, if you refuse to sit down

(01:45:32):
with everybody else, that's fine. But just know this, Just
know that the day is going to come when you
need to have some sort of a wild card in
your hip pocket as a tiebreaker to get you into
a party. We're going to have and your television contract

(01:45:55):
that paid you thirty eight million dollars thirty five years ago.
Yes it's more than that now, don't get me wrong,
but that television contract is no longer going to buy
you out. It's no longer going to bail you out.
We are imploring to you, Notre dame. We are begging
of you, and we are making emphatically clear you need
to join a conference. You need to join a conference.

(01:46:18):
If you want to stand on your own and do
your own thing and build your own schedule, that's fine.
If in twenty twenty six you want to play three
count them three road games next year, three they go
on the road three times next year, If you want
to do that, Notre dame, that's fine. But just know
that if it ever comes down to it where we
have a situation where in the playoff rankings you are

(01:46:42):
in discussion with a team or two or three about
who's going to get the last two or three spots,
you better have that wild card of what we've been
telling you to do forever in your hip pocket. And
if you don't, you're gonna get left out on the cold.
I'm not saying that that is the right of pro
which from them. I'm not saying that they're justified in

(01:47:02):
that approach. What I'm saying to you is that is
absolutely one hundred percent a factor. And why Notre Dame
did not hear their name called yesterday and a playoff
ranking that has James Madison in, that has Indiana number one,
that has Alabama with three losses in because when it
came down to it, they had their chance then to

(01:47:23):
finally say, how do you like us now? Because Notre
Dame forever in their eyes. I'm not saying it's right.
I'm simply explaining it to you. Nore Dame forever. In
the eyes of the college football committee, Notre Dame every
time they tried to dance with them said we don't
need to do that. We're good, We're going stag. And

(01:47:43):
now finally Notre Dame wanted to come to the prom
and the prom selection committee for the homecoming court said
we're good, We're going to go stag. It's petty, but
it's reality, and that's where it stands.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
I think the biggest gripe that Notre Dame fans should
have is the fact that Alabama did not get any
sort of punishment for losing the way that they did.
Like you look at last season, SMU, Penn State, Iowa State,
Texas all played in their conference championship game.

Speaker 5 (01:48:16):
All lost.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
SMU dropped two spots, Penn State one spot, Iowa State
two spots. Texas dropped the spot. In twenty twenty five,
Virginia loses in its conference championship game, they dropped two spots.
Ohio State obviously drops the spot. B Ygan drops the spot.
Alabama no change after losing in a game where they
had negative two rushing years. Okay, here's the thing, and

(01:48:38):
I don't, Eddie, I agree with all that. I'm playing
Devil's advocate. Alabama has three losses, but their third loss
came to a team. Here's the thing. By watching Georgia
dominate the SEC title game, there isn't oddly and I
know this sounds weird, it somewhat helped Alabama because of

(01:48:58):
the fact that Alabama had beaten Georgia. Right, so like
it strengthens their best win supporting case.

Speaker 5 (01:49:07):
Now, I'll tell you the one. There is a team
out there. Do you have some breaking Newsjake, go ahead, hit.

Speaker 3 (01:49:11):
This out from Shane Stikeen currently meeting with the media
confirmed with Adam Schefter reported at the top of the
hour that Daniel Jones would be out the rest of
the season with any with the torn achilles. Shane Stikeen
just also revealed that Riley Leonard is dealing with a
knee injury in his status for Sunday in Seattle is

(01:49:32):
in question.

Speaker 5 (01:49:34):
So that would put Brett Rippon at this point as
the only quarterback on roster that would be available.

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
And the emergency quarterback would be Tyler Warren.

Speaker 9 (01:49:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:49:42):
Now there is a team. We got to get into that.
And then there's a team also that I think actually
may have the best argument not named Notre Dame, as
to what happened with the college football playoff, and it
dilutes Notre Dame's argument a little bit. I'll get to
that and we'll get into this complex developing quarterback situation next. Okay,
I want to get back into the college football discussion.

(01:50:04):
My buddy Nick Harmon, who I love, says, this is ridiculous.
Head to head with Miami. You can't tell me it
matters now when it didn't with Notre Dame in Florida
State nineteen ninety three. Yeah, man, I mean that was
thirty two years ago and a completely different system. I
love nick, completely different system though that's not me. I'm
just a messenger here. I'm just a messenger. But with
a college football committee, it is completely different in terms

(01:50:27):
of the way that they weigh things versus the way
that they weighed them. You know, ten years before today's
seniors were born. Eddie, if you could please to break
you new sounder. I want to get back into the
college football discussion. But there is more news from West
fifty six correct, and.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
The hits just keep on coming already. Daniel Jones out
for the year with the torn achilles, Riley Leonard dealing
with the knee issue. I think the exact term that
sheen Sty can use was knee soreness. Well quote hopefully
be available on Sunday. Braden Smith is in the Concussion
Protocol and Tarvarius Ward is back in the Concussion Protocra.

Speaker 5 (01:51:10):
Towny, Travarius Ward is the one that to me, is
we played that clip last week, it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Would be the third time this season he'd be in
the protocol.

Speaker 5 (01:51:23):
If I'm mooney Ward, I mean, at some point you
get to the point where you're like, okay, three in
a year. I'm good. I get it. I get the
competitive nature of the money, all of it. As a
human being, I'm just saying that's troublesome. And concussions are
like caution flags in racing. They breed, one becomes I'm

(01:51:45):
not a doctor, but things for the Colts now, So
if you are just joining us on the program, that
means Daniel Jones Achilles confirmed torn done of the year,
Riley Leonard his backup monitoring a knee situation day to day,

(01:52:08):
if you will. Anthony Richardson, who normally would be the
backup on injured reserve fractured orbital bone, not yet back
to the point of even going through motion or practice.
Shaverius Ward concussion protocol third time, Braiden Smith. Did you

(01:52:31):
say concussion protocol for Braiden Smith. Yes, And we are
awaiting word as to whether or not Alec Pierce goes
into that protocol.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
He was not on the list of injury updates from
Sheen's staken.

Speaker 5 (01:52:44):
And with no first round or this year or next,
and there are question marks around the Colts and just
the how quickly this has turned, how quickly this has
turned literally this season for the Colts seems to have
done a one point eighty that is also to some extent,

(01:53:07):
I guess the equally like disbelief of how different it
looks over the course of say than a month ago,
like the Colts, or like IU from two years ago
to now in the opposite direction. Let me give for you, Eddie.
When it comes to the college football playoff discussion, I'm

(01:53:30):
going to give you three teams. Okay, as a matter
of fact, I want to do it this way. Somebody
call in right now, two three, nine, ten seventy, and
I want it to be a Notre Dame fan. And
I don't mean this to pick on Notre Dame at all.
I've said repeatedly I think Notre name is one of
the eight best teams in the country. But just the
way that this works nine ten seventy right now, if
you are a Notre Dame fan, I want you to

(01:53:51):
call it in because we're going to do a blind
taste test. I'm not trying to set you up here.
I literally am going to do a blind taste test
where we're gonna line up and I'm gonna read off
three things, and I want you to tell me which
of these is the one that you think should be in.
But you got to be a Notre Dame fan. Okay,

(01:54:15):
So right now, Eddie's man in the phones, and we're
gonna bring one on, okay, and I'm gonna read off
the resume of three teams and you got to pick one. Okay,
who do we have here? Ready? Eddie's lining them up here,
Cameron calling in. We'll get to the Achilles question in

(01:54:35):
just a second. Cameron, okay, go Jesse, All right, Jesse,
uncle Jesse, what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
You're ready?

Speaker 5 (01:54:44):
Okay? Are you a Notre Dame fan? Jesse?

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
Yeah, I'm a huge Notre Dame fan.

Speaker 5 (01:54:48):
Turned down your radio, Jesse?

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:54:51):
All right, you there, Yeah, I'm right here. Okay. I'm
gonna read you the resume of three teams and you've
got to pick one of them you think should be in.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
You're ready, yes, sir?

Speaker 5 (01:55:00):
Team number one. They have an ESPN strength of schedule
of twenty two. They have a strength of record of nine.
I don't necessarily understand what the difference between those two is,
but these are metrics they use. Okay, played in their
conference championship, and they have two losses. Okay, one of

(01:55:22):
their losses to a conference champion. That's team number one, okay,
Team number two, strength of schedule of forty four, a
strength of record of thirteen, did not play for a
conference championship and has two losses both teams they lost to.

(01:55:44):
One of the teams has four losses, the other has two.
That's team number two. Team number three, strength of schedule
of forty five, strength of record of fourteen. Did not
play for a conference championship and lost to two teams,
both of which have four losses. Of those three, which

(01:56:07):
one is most impressive to you?

Speaker 12 (01:56:09):
I'd say one?

Speaker 15 (01:56:10):
But I know which teams you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:56:13):
But on the blind taste test, which of those three
would be one? That's BYU? Yep, that's BYU b yu.
And the reason I asked it, Jesse, and I appreciate
you you partaking here, okay, and put it out there.
The reason I say it is because we can sit
here and talk till the cows come home about Notre
Dame and Miami. But BYU is the one on the

(01:56:34):
blind taste test that actually jumps out the most of you?
And you say that might be the one that got
the biggest screwjob. Cameron wants to talk Achilles what's up, Cam?

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
Hello.

Speaker 16 (01:56:49):
Unfortunately, in the past at least sixteen.

Speaker 12 (01:56:51):
Months, Indiana athletes have.

Speaker 16 (01:56:53):
Had four torn achilles Wiseman, Jackson, Halliburton, and Maut Jones. So,
given the importance of the upcoming weeks, I am formally
offering myself as human sacrifice for protection purposes.

Speaker 5 (01:57:08):
Now say that one more time, Cameron.

Speaker 16 (01:57:11):
I am formally offering myself as human sacrifice for protection purposes.

Speaker 5 (01:57:16):
Okay, so i'd like please elaborate on what it is
that you're offering.

Speaker 16 (01:57:22):
You may take each of my Achilles tendons. There's protection
of a certain heisman candidate. I am not gonna name
names and jinksaman, but we all know that we need
strong Achilles tendons for the next month and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:57:36):
Okay, So what you're saying is this, if hypothetically or theoretically,
you are someone who might be having to go to
New York for an award trophy presentation and you have
to basically not do anything in terms of a game
until January first, what you're saying is, sit on the couch,
keep your legs elevated, and if something happens, call Cameron

(01:57:58):
right correct. Okay, Cameron, listen, Cameron. Here's the thing. Where
were you in Oklahoma in the middle of the in
the summertime.

Speaker 2 (01:58:06):
Buddy, I wish I would have been this smart.

Speaker 5 (01:58:11):
Well, foresight is important. Let me tell you something. Foresight
is important. And that's the thing about the Colts, for example,
that becomes a challenge because when you look at foresight,
it is bleak. They said in a Tale of Two Cities,
the theme for today, right, the theme for today, it
was the time of bright light, and it was the
time of great darkness. And unfortunately that bright light for

(01:58:33):
the Colts was at seven and one, and now all
of a sudden the light is dimmed. Significant. So, Eddie,
we had mentioned that, I think it was last week
we were going down the def con chart. Def Con four,
Depcon three to two to one, et cetera, and def

(01:58:55):
Con one means I think Mike Chapel said, what what
the heck was that noise we were doing?

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
I just smacks my hydro fuss.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
That was it?

Speaker 5 (01:59:03):
Okay, Defcon one, Mike Chapel said, is lean over and
kiss your rear goodbye. Right, So based on that, I
would like to know what defcon we're at. What you
have right now? It's kind of like a little bit
of dumb and dumber here. I don't mean the Colts
are dumb and dumber, but it feels kind of like
that where it's like, you know, we're driving around, we're
losing our money, our pets, heads are falling off. So

(01:59:26):
if you're the Colts, you have your starting quarterback out
for the year with an achilles injury. You have the
backup quarterback who was formerly your starter out indefinitely with
a fractured eye socket.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:59:41):
You have your rookie quarterback that had to play and
did okay for you in Jacksonville questionable now with a
knee injury. You have your high ticketed and very good
corner that you signed in the off season in concussion
protocol for the third time this year, a place where
he was put on IR previously. You have your other

(02:00:04):
corner that you sent not one, but two first round
picks to New York for along with Ady Mitchell out
not on IR, but out theoretically for another two weeks.
You have your right side of the line dinged up
with a player in concussion protocol. Offensively speaking, you had

(02:00:26):
no pass rush whatsoever on Trevor Lawrence, and you have
a wide receiver that we thought might go into concussion
protocol today but is not. But he is having a
breakout year and is also in a contract year and
now has no idea who would be throwing him the
ball next year if he decides to resign in Indianapolis

(02:00:47):
as opposed to going elsewhere. And you have a defensive
end that was already on ir who is probably your
best player, and that's where Stan. So other than that,
things are going okay, right.

Speaker 3 (02:01:03):
I would say, so that's probably you know, defcon Forum.

Speaker 5 (02:01:05):
And you've lost four of five and three in a row.

Speaker 3 (02:01:08):
That's like defconon negative three.

Speaker 5 (02:01:10):
It is time for the crossover, brought to you by
the good guys that love heating and air Love dash
hvc dot com is the website you heard me mentioned
that three one seven, three five three twenty one forty
one JMV is with us yesterday, John, That was a
lot of fun yesterday, getting a chance just to meet
with and see some of our listeners in the game,
notwithstanding in terms of the results, but seeing everybody getting

(02:01:31):
their chance to get screened for Franciscan health and make
sure everybody was good. Yeah, a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
Yesterday.

Speaker 5 (02:01:36):
It was too and a great event.

Speaker 15 (02:01:38):
And we've been doing this now for the past couple
of years and saw a lot of people, a lot
of friends of ours over there, and that was awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:01:45):
I think I have a solution.

Speaker 15 (02:01:46):
I heard one of your callers here a moment ago, Jake,
how about if the Colts bring Matthew Broaderick in to
bang the anvil on Monday night and he plays tic
tech toe against Chris Ballad beforehand to try to get
us off of def Con one.

Speaker 5 (02:02:03):
That's exactly that. That's pretty much men, before it's gotten out.

Speaker 15 (02:02:08):
I'm bringing seriously, I mean, that's the way you can
joke about this, because this is a tremendous joke. This,
this whole Achilles epidemic we have around here, just injuries
in general. It's a big joke. So why not, hey,
Broaderick some cash, bring him in. He can bang the
anvil on Monday night and play Chris Ballard or maybe

(02:02:29):
even Carly in you know, a game of tic tac
dough or tic tac toe in this case. Sorry, that's
a game show.

Speaker 5 (02:02:36):
We can't get Whopper to call the missiles off here?
Who was the in Tiktac dough. Not war games, but
Tiktac Dough. Who is the host of Tiktak Dough is
Gene Raymond Wing Martinell.

Speaker 15 (02:02:50):
Not the defensive coordinator of Michigan different Win Martin Dell.

Speaker 5 (02:02:54):
You were at Twin Peaks in Castleton, correct, John.

Speaker 15 (02:02:57):
I am, and we've got a lot to talk about. Hey,
by the way, shout out to IU fans and Jake.
I have an IU yetti cup made by Spencer Thompson
of Thompson Furniture down in Columbus for you on Thursday.
I have a REDS yetti for Eddie Garrison and I
tried to guess what you guys are all fans of

(02:03:18):
on our staff here, and I've got a bunch of
them that I'm going to bring in coming up tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (02:03:22):
I think that's our final day, right, That is awesome?
That studio tomorrow. Uh, that's TBD, is it not?

Speaker 12 (02:03:29):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (02:03:29):
I I haven't heard?

Speaker 12 (02:03:30):
Is it?

Speaker 15 (02:03:30):
Minute by minute? I'm not sure. I just I'm going
by what I've been told.

Speaker 5 (02:03:35):
I just know, I mean, we are eventually moving studios.
It'll be this week. I don't I don't know that
we know yet what day.

Speaker 15 (02:03:42):
When Brett Brett Rippon is going to come in and
win two of the last four, and this team is
going to go to the postseason. And he's going to
start his quarterback next year. By the way, that's what's happening. Okay,
all right, Well, just because he hadn't hey, just because
he hadn't thrown it past, it's twenty twenty three, all right,
do not be alarmed.

Speaker 5 (02:03:58):
Well, John, I'm gonna give you three hours to make
that exact claim, and I'm going to do it for
you here in about five minutes. How's that you got
a pal? All right? John will join us coming up
here just about five minutes from now. I want to
thank Bill Benner. I'm want to thank Don Fisher today.
If you did not hear Don Fisher's comments about what
that meant for him Saturday night, and notably his reflections
on Terry Heppner, I would strongly advise you to do

(02:04:19):
so on podcast form after six pm, after John, and
then again, like I said, Bill Benner, Mike Chappell, thank
you as well. We will be back with you at
noon tomorrow. I thank you for listening to the Quaring Company.

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