Day Three Colts Practice Recap + Fever Win! Cam Bynum Joins!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is a Friday, it is believe it or not,
it is Brickyard four hundred weekend as well. And I
say that only because it is your chance and will
give you plenty of opportunities still to remind you to
win five hundred dollars by predicting the winner of the
Brickyard four hundred coming up on Sunday at the Indianapolis
Motor Speedway. I know last night had some Indiana Sprint

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Week that took place at IMS, but obviously the big
focus on the sports world continues here at Grand Park
and Westfield where the Colts are wrapping up the first
week of their training camp. And I guess when you
look back, when we look back five years from now
on training Camp twenty twenty five, what will be the
storylines that we reflect upon from week number one. Well,

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the good news is that in week one you get
your way through it without like a major end or
significant storyline that sets you back in where you just
say whoa, like, what's where are you going to go
from here? Obviously, yesterday and I thought it was significant
the story of Bernard Ryman. And I think you know
I told you yesterday that sometimes when guys say something

(01:03):
you say to yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I feel like this is a story, and.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
I think that happened yesterday with Bernard Ryman, in the
fact that Bernard Ryman was candid about where things stand,
which is not really at this point within vision of
one another, on his contract status, and the fact that
Bernard Ryman, the left tackle for the Colts, who was
entering year number four, you know, just basically said, look,
we are at this point not on the same page.

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And it seems as though the Colts, you know, we
don't know whether or not they value that position. Bernard
Ryman knows exactly what he's saying. He knows that the
Colts are aware of the value that he brings at
left tackle, and it is some pretty good gamesmanship there.
But I noticed yesterday, you know, other people notice those comments,
and it was interesting that Ryman was that fourthright.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
We talked to Alec Pierce.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Today before and he was not as candid when it
comes to his contractual status and situation. Alec Pierce was
a little more KOI in that regard. So we'll see
what does come the Ryman city situation. Alec Pierce as well,
but the president would be when it comes to the
Colts that you kind of wait until the dust settles
before on the season, before you really get into those situations.

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And we'll see whether or not, Chris Ballard, it's either
probably going to be just before the year begins or
then at the end of the year when they sit down.
And they figured that out last night Fever in Action.
Eddie Garrison was on the pre and post game. Eddie,
I'll be honest, I watched the vast majority of that
Fever game, and I thought, to be honest with you
that in like the early third quarter, I thought, surely
they're not going through this again, right, this is not

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going to happen again where they have one of those droughts.
But they rebounded nicely. I thought Kelsey Mitchell played really
really well. But a good win last night over Las
Vegas for the Fever.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, nice bounce back. When Jake and you mentioned it,
they didn't play particularly well in the first half. I
didn't feel, like Stephanie White said in our conversation yesterday,
I don't know if you texted her, Jake, but Rick
Carlisle when he appeared on the morning show during game days,
he was like pretty much undefeated and now Stephanie White.
When she appears on this program, she is undefeated on
game days. And during that conversation yesterday, she mentioned about

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Las Vegas needs to feel them physically on the defensive
side of the floor. Didn't feel like they did that
in the first half, much much better in the second half,
And I have to wonder. I mentioned this last night
with Bria goss Aery MacDonald, who had been a player
that was coming off the bench with Caitlyn Clark active.
She provided a lot of energy and a lot of
emotion and a lot of defensive minded presence for them

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in that first half. She only plays like eight or
nine minutes. Sidney Colson geinst the majority of the point
guard minutes. It seemed like she was fresher in that
third quarter, and I think she was really what spearheaded
that spirited comeback in the third quarter and carried it
over to the fourth quarter because her defensive pressure on
the ball was really, really good last night. She forced
a couple of steels that generated two threes for Indiana

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and it was a nice bounce back win after a
game where they played really well for two and a
half quarters. On Tuesday against the Liberty, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
And the other interesting thing about it, Eddie, when you
look at it, it almost was like that Fever game
took on what Shane Stikeen had talked about with this
cold team, and that is that games can so typically
be decided late down the stretch in the NFL, and
that's the thing that the Colts want to work on.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Fever.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Obviously, last night, you know, they made shots down the
stretch and those were shots that perhaps have eluded them
before as they fell themselves back into the spot of
being five hundred. But a nice win for them last night.
We'll talk about that over the course of today. Big
show lined up for you on this Friday. Kevin Bowen
going to join us as he does usually on Fridays.
We'll recap everything that's taken place here at Colts Camp.

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Cam Binam, one of the new members of the Colts
and one of the real center pieces I think on
what they are hoping for and expecting out of Loui
an Arumo's defense, is going to join us. A matter
of fact, that conversation will be coming up just a
couple of minutes and we can recap over the course
of today some of the things that we saw today
at Colts Camp. John Orvitz going to join us. He's
got a new book coming out two o'clock hour just

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after our Franciscan feel Good Good for the Hard Friday.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Oreo will join the show.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
But in terms of what did take place today at
camp that I've mentioned, cam Bind, I'm going to join
a short.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
One of the things that was very important is again
the all eyes on the quarterback situation. Anthony Richardson Daniel
Jones started out in the first he was your quote
unquote starter in eleven on eleven, although you don't read
a whole lot into that because they've kind of varied
back and forth. But Richardson did show a little more
precision I think today than we have seen previously, and

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notably getting Tyler Warren involved with that. So Warren is
going to be such a centerpiece of this offense. And
Warren is such an important piece obviously, just in terms
of when you are investing a first round pick, you
want to see almost immediate production. And today the first
time I think that you started to see that in
terms of that intermediary area. And that is so important

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for Richardson because, like I always say, when you play
twenty one or horse or basketball in your driveway in
order to be able to kind of get the feel
for three point or mid range shooting. You start going
in and hitting layups and doing those things that then
get you warmed up for the areas that become a
better feel for you in your mid range. And I

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think for Richardson, that's what you need to do with
a guy like a Tyler Warren and just in terms
of a rhythm passer and a target that is there
right over the middle to get you in rhythm. And
then that opens everything up in terms of accuracy, because
when you are a career sub five hundred passer, you
absolutely need to do everything you can to facilitate and
help out with and make things better for your passing.

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And so Tyler Warren an important piece of that. The
Colts started to infiltrate that a little more today. Also,
Zaire Franklin was out on the field today and moving around.
He is coming off of that ankle injury. There was
some question whether or not he would start out on
the pup list, and Zire Franklin was out moving around
today for a bit in practice in mobile.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
So this is a year where we have seen years
where the Colts have started out with players a lot
on the pupp This is not going to be one
of them the physically unable to perform lists, because Franklin
was the one that was a question of that and
he was out there today, So that is good news
for certain. But one of the players that we have
talked about, we've talked about a lot in terms of
new faces for the Colts, new angles for the Colts.

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We talked yesterday with Matt Taylor. I thought a really
good explanation from Matt just about you know, man press
coverage versus a zone coverage and the fact that this
defense with lou Ana Arumo is one that kind of
disguises both. It's a defense that wants to present to
quarterbacks and the way that it thrives is giving the
look of a jeckal and then performing the look of

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a hide or vice versa, and keeping the offense guessing
as to whether or not it's necessarily even a man
coverage or even you know, dropping back into a zone
or a cover two. And I understand and respect that
not everybody knows what all of that lingo means, but
basically what it means is are you presenting that you
defensively are going to do and allowed differently than what

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you actually are once the ball is snapped.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
And one of the.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Guys that is a key I think in all of that,
he actually had a similar situation with that in Minnesota
where he comes from, in terms of defenses that run
kind of that that disguise if you will, Cam by
them one of the big offseason acquisitions joining us here
at Grand Park in Westfield. So Cam first off, let's
get right to this, and that is you know, you

(08:16):
were one of the big off season acquisitions I just
talked about. Welcome to Indianapolis. Do you already feel like
you're a cult It's only been a week. Let's be yes, Ida, right, Yeah.
OTA's made it feel like I was a colt. Just
getting here, being able to meet the guys and be
able to, you know, just be in the facility, being
around other people and just being able to meet the
staff and just meeting everybody made me feel at home

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because they welcomed me with open arms. Nobody was you know,
everybody was just super welcoming and super cool about me
being a new guy, to the point where I only
felt like a new guy for a couple of days,
and once I started to you know, familiarize myself, especially
with the DBS, then start to grow with the defense
and start.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
To meet some guys on the offense. Then it feels
like a family at this point. And you know, I'm
curious of this.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
I was just talking about this, this defense, and we
don't really know yet, you got as obviously do. We
do not yet know exactly how this defense is going
to look when you have a new coordinator. But theoretically,
on paper, it is a defense that is similar to
what you had under Flores in Minnesota, and the fact
of kind of keeping people guessing right right, and presenting
different looks than what you're actually executing. Yes, how much

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of that, I guess first off is from what you've
seen so far, how much of this feels like advantage
for you because it's similar to what you ran in Minnesota?

Speaker 4 (09:27):
I would just say before anything, right now, we're super
basic with everything, so we haven't even progressed into the
tricky stuff. You know, we're still disguising just natural instincts,
but we're still pretty vanilla. It's only day three of
training camp, but just talking to coach lou And is
getting to know his mindset and getting to you know,
just hear him talk and watching film of the Bengals

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in the past years, I see exactly why people would
say it's similar, and I feel like it's very similar.
I think for me it's that's an advantage too, because
just knowing that you know the foundation that have from
coach Flora, just being able to mix so many things
up and every single person having to know every single
position on the field. I think we can implement that
to just have you know, one of the smartest defenses
in the league, and when everybody gets to understand that,

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we can mix this defense up. If everybody learns how
to play each spot on the defense, and that can
that can be a big plus because quarterbacks will never
have a clue who's where and why are they there?

Speaker 5 (10:21):
And we're doing different things out of the same look.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
So you're still working on long division, but you have
yet to get into algebra exactly.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
So yeah, we're still adding subtracting right now.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
When do you, guys or when would you anticipate that
that takes place. Maybe it's different from franchise to franchise,
so it's hard for you to know, but typically speaking,
you'd like to kind of have a real feel for
what you're going to be when.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, i'd probably say around two and a half weeks
of training camp. Once you get all the installs and
all the play calls are in, then you can start
throwing some more spice on each each play call. So
I think, just going through it right now, we're you know,
still we're only on install three because it's our third day,
so we put in a good amount of coverages. But
we know based off of OTA's we're introduced to a

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lot of different things. So we haven't even touched the
red zone yet, we haven't even touched two minutes yet,
so different situations. Once we hammer all those in, then
we can add some more stuff on top of it.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
So but once we have the foundation, everything else is easy.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
So you can put something in an hour before practice
and we'd be able to run it. And that's really
just the type of guys that we have on this team,
a bunch of smart guys and a bunch of people
that care and that have a good understanding of football
and good football like you, to the point where once
we have our foundation, like I said, everything else we
can add to it and it be effortless.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
What intrigues you about Indianapolis, about the Colts in general,
this franchise and this roster.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Just the history, I think, just going back just it
being the franchise that it is, getting to hear about
the Ursa family and how big they were to the community.
Somebody has my jersey on over there, and that's the
first one. Hold on, shout out to the fans. I'm
a signing you stay here. I'm assigning for you after
this interview. That's super cool.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Yeah, so that just the fans.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
I haven't been I haven't played a snap in a
real game and as a Colt, but we have people
walking around here with my jersey on, so that that's big.
So just being able to, you know, understand the culture
out here and seeing people, you know, just how how
hard they ride for the Colts and that's something I
want to be a part of.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
And I heard the stadium is rocking too. How many
of these guys did you know?

Speaker 4 (12:21):
I say three, maybe a little more just off the
top of my head. Segu Daniel Scott, Daniel Jones from
last season with the Vikings. But I've known about a
lot of people and have met some other people too
in the past, but personally and only three people.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
So so you have seen Daniel Jones obviously both you
know in scrimmage settings, you know, in video rooms, whatever
it makes right. What have you seen from Anthony Richardson
that is the same or different than what you have
seen from Daniel Jones.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
It's hard to tell only day three, but one thing
I know, they're both really mobile quarterbacks, and that's one
thing that opens up in offense and that they're.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
Both capable of.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Obviously, we know both quarterbacks are capable of being a
dual threat, and especially with ar I've seen him going
against the Colts last year, watching him on film. Obviously
Joe Flacco started against us, but being able to watch
the film and see what he was capable of with
his legs and his arm strength, and saying with Daniel
Jones being able to do the same thing and me
be able to go against him the years he was

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in New York. He beat us in the playoffs, So
that's always a forever rivalry in my mind because he
knocked us out in twenty twenty two. But just both
quarterbacks are really capable of doing really good things.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
We're a colts camp here Grand Park in Westfield. Cam
buying them is the guest okay, Cam? Actually, you ever
thought about when you're playing careers over and let's say
it's fifteen years from now, right, we're gonna be new.
But are you going to go into broadcasting? Because you're
kind of a natural on the microphone?

Speaker 6 (13:46):
Really?

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Yeah, that means a lot. I appreciate that. I don't
want to be a guest star. I don't know if
I could do it every single day and talk. I'm
not a big I'm a talker. I'm a people person,
but I might burn out if I have to talk
on TV every single day.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Wait, so are you saying because I've got to talk
for three hours a day?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Are you actually saying indirectly that there is some challenge
in like your job is challenging. You're actually saying that
my job has some challenges.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
Now, your job is probably harder than mine.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
I like that you have to talk about what we're
doing every day, even if it's a boring day. You
have to make stuff up to make it sound interesting.
If we came out here and just didn't walk through,
you'd have to somehow find a way to make it
sound good.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
On the radios beyond years.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
That's a tough job.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Well, I'll tell you what's a tough job for you,
and that is playing in this heat and this humidity.
But you're used to it because you spend the off
seasons in the Philippines. It's a place in an area
of the world that's become special to you by spreading
the message of football also in that area.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
But take me through just what the.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Philippines means for you and maybe even what you can
learn about yourself by being on the other side of
the world from everything that previously was familiar.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
I think first and foremost the people and just the
culture out there of how loving and you know, it's
really a culture. The culture is deep as far as
like being a people person. Everybody that he's looking out
for each other. Out there, your neighbors know each other.
Everybody's always hanging outside, so it's kind of like how
life used to be where everybody's you know, you're in
a neighborhood, but all the kids are playing outside still

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and people are just there for each other. And I
feel like in America, I love it here just as much.
But for me, I feel like we've lost, you know,
the community aspect in certain ways, just because our lives
are so fast, which is a blessing because we have
really good jobs and everything, and everybody's so busy out here.
But out there, that's when I love to just sit
back and relax. And I have a busy, busy football

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season being around so many people. I love to be
in the Philippines and have a humble living and being
able to live amongst people that maybe not have as
much as me, but are enjoying life even more and
more grateful in life to me. So I think that's
really what I learned the most of just being grateful
and being just so hard working. People out there are
super hard working to the point where they may not
have much, but they're never complaining. And that's something that

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changed me my first time traveling out there. I came
back here and I'm like, I can never complain about
anything ever again. And just being able to spread football
out there, be able to serve people in poverty, just
doing all those things makes me really help me never
take the game for granted. Because I'm out there, I'm
doing a workout on the side, and I've invite people
out and we have one hundred people just to get
a lift in or just to get some field work in,

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just simply because there's an NFL player out there. And
so when I come back here, I'm like, Okay, now
I'm ready to go play football ten times more because
when I'm in the Philippines, people are itching for an
opportunity to play. They're renting fields at midnight to get
some field time, to be able to put some flag
football games on. So just all those things make me
just so much more grateful when I'm here. So being
able to do half in half just helps me to

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put everything in the football season, then when I'm in
the off season, be able to put everything into the
people out there in the Philippines.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Did it change a little bit your perspective or add
to the perspective of In order for that where we
need to get, you got to have the basics. You've
got to have the camaraderie, and you've got to have
so in other words, in the Philippines, if it's about
family and it's about community, that then parlays hopefully into
the building a neighborho building what exactly and what you
need to if you tried to spread that to your

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new teammates here of look, we got to be together first, right,
then we'll see what happens when other things come our way.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Yeah, I think just doing it by example.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
I'm not here telling stories about the Philippines and say, guys, yeah,
look when I was in the Philippines, I was doing this.
It's really just the mindset that I have when I'm
around the guys, trying to talk to people, get to
know them, especially with the young guys, asking about their story,
how they got here, what they think about the NFL
so far. So really just being able to talk to
people and get to actually know people. I think that's
the most important thing. And also just the enjoyment that

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we have when we're on the field. Like I mentioned,
people out there are so grateful just to be able
to play flag football and just to learn. So when
we're out here in practice, I try and make sure
that I'm having fun no matter what. If it's a
hard day, hot day like today, when you know it's
our third day of practice, so bodies may be a
little fatigue, but I'm still out there trying to have fun,
trying to spread good energy, to be able to pick
the mindset up and to pick the energy up on

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the whole team.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
As a safety, do you have to kind of be
the quarterback of the defense? I know that always kind
of gets that assignment, But how important is it for
you to immediately is it? Are you the most important
one to recognize what you think the offense is about
to do?

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (18:10):
I think I would say so because I'm the furthest
guy back, so I have to see the whole offensive formation.
So if I see something right or wrong, whatever I say,
everybody has to do. I know the linebacker has the
green dies, so he's getting a play cause, but as safeties,
we're in charge of making the checks and being able
to if there's a motion, I have to just off
of that. So everything that I'm seeing from back there

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being a safety, I have to echo it to the linebacker,
to the corners, and then the linebackers will get that
to the d line and everything can change. So I
think that's the most important thing being a safety, being
a good communicator.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Do you prefer when you are lined up in that
situation that everybody is lined up in terms of a
man coverage or would you rather it be that everybody
is in a zone coverage and you've got kind of
a wider array that people are having to cover.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
I like the zone just because I think it's tougher
on quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
I think if we just line up in man, it's
telling the quarterback this is what we're in. You guys,
figure out a way to beat us, and that's simple.
There's a million man beaters in the world. But if
we can still play man out of his zone. Look,
we could still play zone out of his own look,
just being able to mix things up. But I prefer
us being able to look like we're, you know, just
chilling in his zone. And if we're going aggressive, we're

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bringing some heat and going in the man coverage.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
We can drop into it late.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
But in my opinion, I would never want to show
a quarterback what we're doing from the jump.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
That's the voice of Cam buying him.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
By the way, new member of the Indianapolis Colts four
year contract playing at the safety position. I did notice,
by the way, you went to a high school that's
produced like a thousand NFL players.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yes, sir, what was the name of Corona Cintennia High
School in Corona, California.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Okay, Now you also went to high school with and
I don't know this, I could be totally off here.
The Pacers about five or six years ago had a
center they took out of UCLA. KA was his first ding.
Everybody just called him e because he had a tricky
to yes day. But he was here for two or
three years. I think he was your graduating class yees
twenty sixteen. We were in Spanish class again, were you
guys close? Yeah, we're really cool. Did you talk to
him once you came to Indianapolis about his experience in India?

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Or have you not told me?

Speaker 4 (20:01):
Because I completely forgot he played with the Pacers. Now
that now that you're letting me know that, I completely
forgot that was a while ago.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
That's unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I think there are a lot of Pacer fans for
got he played for the Pacers, right, But he.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Was good Ucla and then drafted here.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Yeah, that's that's why it feels like so long ago
because I had to do five years in college.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
What did he do one year?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:19):
One year and went pro. So it's it's super cool
just the fact that he was able to do that.
But yeah, we're we're producing basketball and football players. We've
got Jared McCain. He just got drafted from my high school.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Him.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah, a lot of people, A ton.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Of guys, right, A lot of guys. Now.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Lastly, how much of the Spanish dreamer be honest?

Speaker 5 (20:37):
A good amount.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
When I'm listening to it, I probably can't speak it
much anymore, but I can understand when i'm listening. Actually,
was that was one of the weird subjects I was
really good at.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Now do you speak and pardon my naivete here? What
is the native? The guyloads in the Philippines. The guy
look t A G A L O G.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Are you fluent? No?

Speaker 5 (20:55):
But I'm about thirty forty percent there, so I can understand.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
So when you're over there, though, you're having to speak
it right? Or is English?

Speaker 4 (21:02):
I'm learning everybody speaks English there, so it's annoying. When
I'm trying to practice and I speak to somebody at
the glog, they speak to me in English back, so
I'm like, you're not helping me here, But it's cool
of being able to learn. My wife she speaks three languages,
two Filipino languages and then obviously English, so she's helping
me a lot. But just being out there, for sure,
I'm absorbing stuff. And I have a cousin, my nephew.

(21:25):
I'm trying to teach him English and he's teaching me.
So it's kind of like, as I'm teaching him English,
he's teaching me their language.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Here's my last thing. I have a weird thing, and
people listening to the show not this. I love mascots.
I like the outfits of mascots. I like the zaniness
of mascots. I like all of it. I went three
years in a row with IndyCar We were out there
during the time that COL was playing games, and I
went to COL games and I met the Golden Bear.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's a terrible mascot.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
Yeah, he's kind of creepy.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
He's creepy. He's very creepy.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
It also looks like not like the Chucky Cheese that
got arrested yesterday in Florida, not that level prize.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
That's brutal, right, like they couldn't wait.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
Right, yeah, or like, let's take the helmet off it held.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Up, but the cal Golden Bear guy that looks like
they bought it at the garage sale in nineteen thirty eight, right.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, they went to traditional like keeping it the same
as it was back then.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I think that's your responsibility.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Your responsibility now is the alump in the NFL is
to get a new golden bear out there.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
I got you because he does no cool thing like blue.
He has like a trademark. The dance that he does
our mascot a cat is walking around with his hands
behind his back. He's like got rre exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
That is scary, is the right way of saying it,
and a lot of offenses, hopefully will find it scary
when they look to see what sort of a junk
that the Colts defense is throwing at them. Cam bind
them the new member that will be quarterbacking, if you will.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
That is part of lou Anarumo's scheme. Cam.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
It is a pleasure to have you man. Welcome to Nina.
Thank you for having to have me back on the show.
I held the fan long enough. We'll let you go
and sign your.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
John the first Coast jersey I've seen Forciate Coach Practice.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Thank you, Cam buying them here on Colts Practice. It
is a Friday Grand Park and Westfield where you'll find
a squaring company on the fan. Now, how about that
for Superman and the phone Booth? Eddie I'm pretty proud
of myself.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Really, are you not?

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Are you not?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
I never doubted you.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
So I will.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
I will give a glimpse behind the curtain because I
actually believe in total transparency. On this radio station, okay,
and on this radio show, I should say, you missed.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Me so much that you decided that you needed to
bust your Heini. That's correct, Downtown, that's correct. After you
got off the air there we can bind him.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
So the Colts practices end at eleven am, and it's
I'm telling you what. Today was hotter than the last two.
And the Colts have been fabulous so far. Thank you
to Matt Conti and the Colts pr staff for providing
us different interviews to do and conduct at the end
of each practice. We had obviously Alec Pierce day one.

(23:57):
I thought he was great. We had Bernard Ryman yes
today made some waves, as I mentioned, even from a
national standpoint about his contract situation. And then cam Biden
might have been the best of the three, just in
terms of being loquacious and fun engaging and also knowledgeable
obviously about the game and just life in general. But

(24:18):
knowing that it is going to be dangerously warm today
and honestly, please be careful if you're out and about
because it is already bad and it's going to be
a lot worse here in the next hour or two.
And this is something I was not going to mention,
but I will now because I think it merits mentioning,
just because of the reason why now I just came

(24:40):
all the way back here, so I had partially because
I miss you, Eddie.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
That is true.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
But once we're done with the interviews that we conduct
just before the show begins. So those interviews that you hear,
we obviously are doing it right as practice ends. I
think most people know that clipping that office saving it
as a test, that's there you go. So we conduct
those interviews. So last night I said, you know, what,
would it be possible for me to just tape that

(25:09):
first segment including the interview with whatever player we do,
and then immediately leave Grand Park and come back downtown.
And so thank you to you know, Lee who we
work with on the digital side, and Cam who we
work with from the side of engineering, and then Todd
Meyer for coordinating it, and Eddie uall we have it.
Soon as I was done interviewing about eleven forty I

(25:32):
got in the car and drove from Graham Park back
down here. And part of the reason for that if
I'm I'm sure no one cares of this, but I'm
going to mention it anyway. I don't think that my
dad would have a problem with me mentioning this because
my mom, I believe, put this on social media.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
But my dad.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
On Sunday evening, my dad had a stroke and so
my dad's eighty four years old. Fortunately, my mom was
a hero and immediately noticed that something was off and
got immediately called nine one one and got because she

(26:13):
was trying to get him up off of the couch,
and he was saying to my mom, look, I, you know,
I need your help here. He had laid down to
take a nap on the couch. They're watching the Cubs game,
and then he just you know, she said, well, you
know it's he said, like, wake me up at six
or something at seven o'clock, and so when she went
to wake up, he said, you know, I I You've

(26:33):
got to help me out here, or you know, I
need help. And my mom realized then that he was
basically a dead weight. He was not his body was
not moving and assisting to get up, so she called
nine one one. They immediately came. I think they recognized
that my father had had something beyond just a dehydration,

(26:55):
so he was taken to the hospital. They determined that
he had a neurological not a cardiovascular, but a neurological,
so basically a clot within the brain. I'm at the
brain stem. He was very understandably, so, you know, just
kind of confused on Sunday Monday. Notably, the good news
is this, I think at this point my dad is

(27:17):
beyond the situation of it being life threatening, life altering perhaps,
and he is in good spirits. He is now getting
his strength back, he knows where, you know, he's pretty loocid.
I mean, matter of fact, I went yesterday to see him,
and the first thing he said when I walked in was, hey,
so which quarterback are they starting? Which one was getting
the starting reps? So, but the challenge in situations like

(27:41):
that is you can have a good moment and then
you know, tougher one, and then back to a good one.
So I say all of that only because you want
to privately keep family things private, you know what I mean?
I get that, But at the same time, I just
have always felt like there's this responsibility and I know
my dad would say the same thing, of you have

(28:05):
a unique opportunity and platform to utilize the microphone that
we have not for ourselves, but to just continue to
make people aware of things that not only are the
most important, but also that you can learn from as

(28:25):
I last years reading and listening to your body or
that of your loved ones and getting attention immediately for it.
And you know, my dad's probably a lot like me,
and the fact that you know we love attention. So
making that call to nine to one one and getting

(28:45):
to professionals immediately and first and foremost is such a
critically important step because and my parents' neighbor, Amy is
a saint as well, because immediately was on it of
what you need from your mom standpoint, what can I
do to help her? I mean, this town and the

(29:06):
reason I love this city is because there is this
and we all have it within the pockets of this
city that we live. But we look out for each
other in this town. And I've lived places where I
don't know that that's the case. And you know, every
single person that within our bubble as this, as people

(29:26):
have found out you know that my dad's of my
dad's situation, they are people reach out, people do what
they can, people help out. And we are very fortunate,
my sisters and my mom and I and Shannon that
at this point, for my dad is just a matter
of getting strength back and getting back and you know,
trying to strive back to the point where everything is
back to that one hundred percent. But admittedly, and selfishly speaking,

(29:50):
part of the reason why I wanted to be back
here in studio is because I wanted to be closer
to that net. I wanted to be closer to where
that is happening. And even though I don't think it's
because I'm expecting some sort of a phone call, we
are not at this point, thank goodness and by the
grace of God and the actions of a lot of heroes.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
But you just.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
When things like that happen, you just want to feel
like you're close to it, and you want to feel
like you're not too far away, and that that rubber
band when it expands out, is not like you're stretching
it too thin where you're not going to be able
to bounce right back to where you need to be.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
So thank you to.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Everybody who worked hard and making it possible for me
to be where I need to be. And we go
from there. There is still plenty to talk about, including
I thought about this on that yesterday as I was
you know, I told my dad, I'm like, Dad, you know,
hul Cogan passed away, and my Dad's like, well, didn't

(30:52):
Ozzy Osborne pass away? And then, you know, one of
the first conversations we as a family had had where
we knew that he was getting his lucidity was in
recalling moments from The Cosby Show and Malcolm Jamal Warner
and I did find something interesting in terms of the
confluence of those three and the legacy of the three
of them, which I'll share with you the weird brain

(31:13):
dropping that I had at like three point thirty eight
in the morning last night, because I can tell you
been running around fairly fairly often lately and not as
much sleep. But we'll get into that, and we will
get into also what cults on the practice field have
jumped out and made a little bit of a difference,
or maybe those that we wait to see what we
might be able to get things going. Kevin Bowen will

(31:34):
have a lot to say about that conversation coming up.
He's going to join us one o'clock today, Friday edition,
a querying company on the fan. Look at Eddie's spinning
the kiss hits, right, Yeah, A problem with that, No,
I was, it's interesting. It's a perfect segue, and I'll
tell you why. Kevin Bowen joining us thirteen minutes from now.

(31:55):
Thank you to those who offered their wishes regarding my dad,
and I mean that sincerely. The Gene Simmons. As a
matter of fact, when I was a kid, I was
convinced that I had convinced the kids on the street
that my dad was Gene Simmons. My sister had to
kiss a Live two album and I had this horrifically

(32:15):
terrifying image of Gene Simmons with the blood, and I
told them that my dad actually was Gene Simmons, and
he had makeup upstairs. I showed him my mom's makeup,
and I actually thought the kids believed me. So I
had kind of a wild imagination with that stuff. But
I thought this interesting, and follow me here, because maybe
what I'm about to say it makes no sense, but

(32:36):
in my neuroticism, it made sense when I thought of it.
In the last week, we've seen three I think really
significant pop culture icons. You know, we've lost three of them,
and I am trying to remember the order, but I
think it was Malcolm Jamal Warner, then Ozzy Osbourne and

(32:56):
then Hulkgan. But what I think is interesting is whul
Cogan and Ozzy Osbourne to me have something very in
common in the fact that they burst onto the scene
as this not unlike Gene Simmons that we just heard
from there, but both of those two burst onto the

(33:18):
scene with this larger than life persona that was a
little bit scary and was rooted in to an extent.
In Ozzie's case, I'll say and angst for lack of
a better phrase, but an intimidation factor, a control of

(33:39):
the moment factor, and portraying an image and a character.
You know, Ozzy Osbourne, who, by the way, I believe
his name actually is John Michael Osborne. I'm sure JMV
knows this, probably has mentioned that. But Ozzy Osbourne, you know,
bark at the moon like the occult and this creepy

(34:01):
you know, John and I talked about it on the
day that Ozzie passed. When you were a kid, you
were like afraid of the album covers. You were terrified
of it. Right, It was, oh my gosh, like what
in the world. It was literally like scream in the
dark to put to music. And Hulk Hogan was obviously
you know Terry Belea. I believe it is how you
pronounced his last name. But you know, the character of

(34:24):
Hulk of Hulk Hogan was this, you know, thunder lips
and like angry and the twenty four inch python arms
and you know that's right, brother, and ripping his shirt
and I mean it's massive Hulk, right, and the wrestling
aspect of it. They were playing and portraying characters, and
it was then via reality television that both of them

(34:51):
gave us glimpse into the real persona that allowed them
to transition from the character that they had portrayed and
set an image. And it was the reality of television
that let us know who they really were. In a
case of Hulk Hogan, it went obviously a little bit
too far and there was some negatives that came from that.

(35:12):
But in the initial years of him, as you know,
with his daughter and being kind of a dad knows
best guy and whatever else, and you just saw the
empire that he was in charge of, and it gave
him a relatability. And in Ozzy Osbourne's case, in you know,
little things of trying to figure out his how to
play the radio in his house and his kids and

(35:35):
dealing with, you know, the relationship with this which was
a loving one with his wife. You saw the reality
of who he was as a person, as a person
versus the persona and there was a relatability there. And
I found it interesting because the first of those was
Malcolm Jamal Warner, who we actually knew first as the

(35:59):
character that made it relatable to us as family. The
other two it was the second character that they were,
and I'm using character in air quotes. It was the
second version of themselves that was the real version that
we got to know that made them relatable. In Malcolm

(36:20):
Jamal Warner's case, it was the character that he played
that made him relatable, not the reality. We didn't know
the reality of who Malcolm Jamal Warner was. We only
knew him as theo Huxtable, and as theo Huxtable, Malcolm
Jamal Warner represented suburban teenage kid, middle to upper middle

(36:41):
class teenage kid to everyone, and there was an importance
in that because he was relatable to white suburban America
as an African American guy, and yet African American kids
loved him too, even though he was being portrayed of
living in by most stereotype fair or unfair like the

(37:06):
white world to some extent. But Malcolm Jamal Warner is
one that we didn't know as well because we thought
we knew him based on the fictional character of who
he was, and then everything that we saw after that
we were comparing to theo Huxtable. It was like theo
Huxtable was his reality. And yes, he went on to

(37:27):
do some very very good things and was in some
very good roles and by all account was exactly who
we were hoping theo Huxtable was with it. And it
is terribly sad the way that Malcolm Jamal Warner passed
because it was a family vacation and he was swimming
with his daughter. I mean terribly, terribly sad, But I
did think it was interesting that you had the alternate

(37:51):
timeline of the way that we got to know the
real version of those three individuals and Ozzie and Whole Cogan.
I think, you know, reality television is one, and I
think a lot of people forget this as well. There
was a writer's strike for television in the I want

(38:11):
to say, late nineties or into the two thousands, and
that was the birth to a great extent of reality television.
It wasn't just because MTV had come up with the
Real World and people wanted to see what they could
do with that. That writers strike led to, you know what,
we've got to come up with content, and we don't
have writers anymore to write the television sitcoms that we

(38:33):
were planning on doing. So let's just like do reality
television and just find people and have a camera follow
them around. And it let us get to know Ozzy Osbourne.
It let us get to know hul Cogan, you know it.
Let us get to know the Kardashians too, I guess
that for that matter. Well, which Kardashians your favorite?

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Eddie?

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Oh really, I don't know. The only one I know
is Kim Oh come on and Chloe. Okay, I keep going, yeah, see,
I don't know. That's all I got. Yeah, Okay, that's
all I got. Uh Kurney Ah, yeah, Courtney?

Speaker 1 (39:08):
What about the Kylie Jenner? She's also a Kardashian.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Oh, that's right, I forgot. Uh huh see, there you go.
There's a kindle Kendle there.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Okay, see yeah, Now all of a sudden, Now, all
of a sudden, we tap into the truth.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
There, we know what you're watching.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
It's like me saying that I don't know which the
Real Housewives of Orange County. I know every one of them,
partially because I'm forced to watch it for like an
hour and a half a night, and every time it's
on to Shannon, I'm like, can we change the channel? No, no, no,
hold on a second. They're they're getting ready get in
a big argument here. We got to watch it. And
then I'm like, twenty minutes later, I'm like, when is
this big argument? She's like, well, it's coming up. I'm like,
how do you know that's well? I watched this yesterday.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
What is it Kylie that's dating Timothy Chalomeaye?

Speaker 1 (39:47):
I always get Kylie And you said there's a kindle.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Right Kendall and Kylie?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
I think it's Kylie and she's the one that was
here for the playoffs, right, yeah, whichever one's dating Timothy
sha Challo.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Maye, okay them, and I think it was Courtney Courtney Kardashian,
and then the mom Jenner, Chris Jenner, and then her name.
Uh yeah, they were at the DY five hundred in
two thousand. I'm guestimating here two thousand and nine, maybe
two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine. Kim Kardashian

(40:19):
was part of like a diet program that was on
I think Graham Reyhall's car and as a result of that,
it was Chris Jenner and one of the Kardashian girls
were in the garage area on the morning of the
five hundred, and I was standing right next to him
as they were bringing a car through and they were
looking at the car, and believe it or not, people
hadn't figured out yet like who exactly it was. This

(40:41):
was right kind of at the Kim was the famous
Kardashian because of the tape that Eddie never saw, and
then and then the others weren't as famous yet. But
I will say they were extremely nice. They were very nice,
and they were very like respectful of the five hundred,
and they were kind of in awe of all of it,

(41:02):
and they were actually pretty down to earth, pretty nice.
I mean, I was there for ten or fifteen minutes
around them, and they asked a couple of questions whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
They were actually very nice.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
But nonetheless people say that that, you know, obviously, celebrity
passings come come in three. I know Chuck me AGIONI
passed away yesterday, but Malcolm Jamal warn Or, Ozzy Osbourne,
Hulkogan three giants this week for sure.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Within pop culture.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Somebody asked me a great Colts question, and I don't
know the answer because I got to practice late. Kevin
Bowen was there and has been there from the get go,
and I will ask him the question. In terms of
one player that we need an introduction on, even though
we've known his name for a while, we don't know
much about him. I'll explain next. So the Colts camp, now,
excuse me, is now into let's see day four, Is

(41:45):
that right? Day three kind of all runs together at
this point for me, I'll be honest with you. But
Day three and again, I find it interesting. Although I'm
not making flip in comment about the fact that there
were a handful of veterans that got off day two
in terms of rest day just take it off rest
day load management. But one of those players, Kevin Bowen,

(42:05):
joining us now, who has been out there and covering
extensively Colts Camp. You can read, of course, all of
his work at one O seven five thefan dot Com.
You hear him in the morning along with James Boyd
for the Fan Morning Show. They have been out there
covering it with each and every snap and every play
that's taken place. One player, Kevin somebody asked me about
and I said, you know what I'm gonna ask Kevin.

(42:26):
Because it's not named Anthony Richardson, it's not named cam
bind him, it's not named Tyler Warren, it's not named
Jonathan Taylor, who was the big talk of camp obviously
in the past. But Jelannie Woods, Jeelanni Woods, to me
is a fascinating player because he has not been available
for health purposes. But the Colts have never wavered from him,

(42:47):
so clearly they see something that they find to be
worth the weight. What can you tell me about Jelanni
Woods so far in camp?

Speaker 7 (42:57):
Yeah, he had a sighting or two, yes, yesterday it's
seven on seven rep he caught I want to say one,
maybe even two balls there, one from Daniel Jones down
the seam. So yeah, I mean he's been available, which
I don't say that, you know, as a shot. I mean, unfortunately,
it's been a major question for him. I just don't

(43:19):
see how he makes the seam. I think the four
tight ends are pretty obvious Tyler Warren, Miley Cox, Will Mallory,
and Drew Ogletree. So I don't know. If he showed
a flash, maybe you put him on the practice Cluaud,
you've waited this long with him, you might as well,
you know, try to reap the benefits if he's going
to hit that. But yeah, I would find it hard
for him to make the fifty three man roster.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
I guess the question I would have then would be
this Kevin, and that is, if once Jilanie Woods is healthy,
he doesn't look like one that's going to crack the rotation,
then why did you hold on to him for as
long as you did through the injuries.

Speaker 7 (43:54):
Well, if you were to look really, really good, then
obviously you would put him above whatever will treat Mallory,
you know, Moiley Cox, somebody like that. So I think
you're kind of holding out for all right. If he
you know that that rookie flash that he had, you
know he was a third round to take if he
sniffs getting back to that level, that's why you would

(44:14):
have him. And then again, you know pack to squad rules.
You can hop guys on the practice squad, so you
know ninety man roster. You know, it's not like he's
taking some spot, and you know you're really doing a
disservice to your team by having him around. So I
think it's just simply get him through this rookie contract,
let him have a healthy offseason, see if he can

(44:34):
sniff any of that, and if he does, he keep
him around. If not, which again right now, I would
say it's a no, then you move on.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Biggest storyline of this camp so far is.

Speaker 7 (44:48):
Oh, well, I mean I mean he's got quarterback.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, I mean the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Well, okay, let me let me back that up. I'm
sorry of the things that have happened on the field
so far that we're not anticipating.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I guess I should have said it that way.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Is there anything that you know that you did not
think on Monday when you woke up and you knew
that was going to be the week of camp was
going to be something you're talking about, But it's percolated
and popped up good or bad, and you're like, okay,
there's a story that was not anticipated.

Speaker 7 (45:15):
Well, I mean, I'll go away from quarterback in just
a second, but I will start there. I did not
like when we talked last Friday, Jake. I'm sure we
discussed Anthony Rigison back throwing, and my question for you was, Okay,
when does fifty fifty split occur? Like, when does this
competition start back up? When do we really get you know,
back and forth Richardson Jones. I didn't think of the

(45:35):
guarantee we'd have it here on day three, but we
had it on day one and day two and day three,
so you know, that is something that I again, I
didn't think it was a slam dunk at the start
of the week. And you know, so far, assuming Daniel
Jones flits with Richardson tomorrow, it will be exactly a
fifty fifty split through the first four days of camp.
So that is something new. And I think again it's

(45:58):
been a real cop petition. I don't know how high
quality of the competition it's been, but it's at least
been real Defensively. You got to go with Justin Wally
the corner out of Minnesota. I mean, he seems to
be a legit guy for them, at least as a
rookie and someone they trust. Will that be the case
in a month, We'll see, But not many third round

(46:19):
rookies walk into camp with a starting spot, especially at
a position group that I thought you had enough kind
of internally to where you didn't need to put him
in the starting lineup. And I thin figure that defense,
you know, I think if anybody that's been out of
Grand Park, they will have seen, you know, a lot
of disruption from that secondary knocking balls away, you know,

(46:39):
creating contested catches and frankly just making it difficult for
Colts past catchers to come down as a ball. So yeah,
I say, justin Wally there and the in general, the
the defense.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Kevin, let me give you a statement and you tell
me if you agree with it. Okay, And I'll preface
it by saying, I thought, and I still think that
when the season begin against Daniel Jones is going to
be the starting quarterback of the Colts.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Okay. But with that said, let.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Me give you a statement and then you tell me,
Kevin Bowen if you think there's any accuracy to it. Okay,
Daniel Jones cannot win the starting job for the Indianapolis Colts.
He simply has to wait until Anthony Richardson loses it.

Speaker 7 (47:25):
Let me certainly understand the question.

Speaker 8 (47:26):
I don't think it's there.

Speaker 7 (47:28):
I think they're very I think they're very open to
a if Anthony Rigison continues to look like the quarterback
that he has and shows no improvement and Daniel Jones offers,
you know, drop me in the middle of the lake
and stay afloat for a few minutes, they'll go with Jones.
I don't think it's like a we feel like it's

(47:51):
got to be Anthony Richardson and he's got this secure,
you know, padlock on the starting job. Now, I don't
really view it in that line. I mean, again, if
you're going to hold Shane Pike and accountable to his words,
the words he uses the most, or the word I
should say he uses the most is consistency to evaluate
the QB, Well, that's definitely Daniel Jones more than Anthony Richerson. Now, today,

(48:16):
I thought Richardson easily had his best day at camp.
It's a pretty low bar, but I thought it was
easily the best day he's had. I thought he probably
was better than Jones. But yeah, I actually do think
it's like, you know, coming into camp, I thought Jones
had the slight lead. But I do think we're getting
into a little back and forth of the fifty to fifty.
I still come back to psychans word of consistency. Consistency, consistency,

(48:38):
and you know, the giants and support Jones at all,
and if we feel like we've got whatever and above
average defense and good enough pass catchers and the decent
O line, then we just need to do this is
not going to turn the ball over well, I mean,
so far, Jones, I don't think a eleven or eleven's
had a single interception, So you know, it is that
something you would offer for is Jones?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Is Jones a base hit guy? Like is Jones? Wade
Boggs and Richardson? Is Adam Dunn? You know, you're so
captivated by the home runs that you kind of overlook
the fall down strikeouts. But yet Wade Boggs just goes
out and gets a hit every third time. And that's
that's kind of who Daniel Jones is. Nothing wows you,
but that's who he is.

Speaker 7 (49:25):
Yeah, I could not agree more on the Adam done.
Anthony Richardson Wade Box seems like quite a compliment. Well, Jones,
I was thinking.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Like Mickey Moore and Deani Jerob Walton. Yeah, Mickey Moore
is a good one.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
That's fair.

Speaker 8 (49:39):
Yeah, who's your pinch hitter in October twenty second of
the eighth ending that you're.

Speaker 7 (49:44):
Like, oh, this guy got a hit back in you know,
mid August.

Speaker 8 (49:47):
You know, maybe he'll yeah, he'll come up collect this time.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Dane Orge.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
They've got Dane Orge at quarterback.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yes, yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (49:56):
Certainly understand where you go with that analogy. And yeah,
and you know it's weird, Jake, because anythink the cold
tone has changed. You know, back when Richardson was drafted,
the thought was, hey, it's really hard to create ten
play eighty yard drives in the NFL. The defenses are
too good and you've got to create big plays. You've
got to have a guy that can turn you know,

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whatever the eighty you know, ten eighty play or ten
play eighty yr drive into four plays eighty yards. And
you know Richardson, that was the thought with him is
you'll you'll live with Adam Dunn's with as long as
he puts a couple in the Ohio River. But you know,
there's been just wow, combination of the baseball analogy. There

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haven't been enough foul balls, haven't been enough getting on
base at all, you know, probably a few too many
few two home runs and then obviously plenty of strikeouts
and frankly just a lack of availability there.

Speaker 8 (50:48):
But now it's like, well, if we can just be
more methodical, we can just be more boring, like Jonathan
Taylor still in his prime, and you know, we've changed
this defensive coordinator and we've invested in the second area
and the.

Speaker 7 (50:59):
Old line we feel like still has some pieces. So
that's where I feel like the Colts have changed their
tune since April twenty twenty three. Now, you know, will
they you know, back that up with their actions and
will you know the Jones interesting competition play out in
that manner. You know, we've got another month to see.
But I do think from a verbal standpoint, it sounds different.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Kevin Bowen is our guest.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
You hear him of course in the morning with James
Boyd and jeff Rickerd on the Fan Morning Show. Have
been out at Colts Camp. Kevin, this is year number
what for you in terms of Colts camps.

Speaker 7 (51:32):
I think it's number fifteen fifteen that I've covered.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yeah, so in those fifteen years and you've seen a
lot of different storylines and a lot of positions that
there was no question who the starter was going to
be in battles and et cetera in your experience. And
I'm saying this because I want Colts fans that are
listening to give them a barometer here in your experience
in fifteen years into your educated eye, the position that

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camp most often lends itself towards a false hope is
what in other words, the workouts that they're doing, the
reps that they go through, the style that is played
in camp lends itself to a guy to have what
looks to be a really good camp, and then invariably

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that guy doesn't end up making the roster because you're like, yeah,
you were watching Fools Gold and what they were working on.
Is there a position more often than not that those
guys come from.

Speaker 7 (52:31):
It's great question. I don't know if there is a
position that like annually shows up again and again. I
think the caveat I would throw in there, Jake, is
like the position where on the other side of the
ball you're bad at. So for example, you know, the
secondary for the Colts has been porous in recent years.
So like you sometimes watch Gardner Minshew or even Matt Ryan,

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you're like, oh wow, you know, it's not too bad,
and then like the joint practice show up and you're like,
oh boy, this is not Gus Bradley's defense. So you
know that, I feel like it's kind of where you
have it. And there's been years where that's been the case,
Like oh wow, the Colts whiteouts are making some plays
and then again they go face another defense in these
joint practices of the preseason games and you're like wow,

(53:15):
like it's they're getting like you get open. I remember
one year that happened with the offensive. Actually it was
a preseason game. They like they played their sharters. I
want to say this Buffalo against Buffalo's second unit, and
like the Buffalo second unit just dominated the Colt starters.
And that was the you know, one of the few

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years here and the Chris Dalen Arrow where the old
line really struggled. So yeah, I don't know if it's
like I mean, sure, when you get into camp and
especially the first week when you ramp it up physicality wise,
you know, the old line, the D line. You know,
maybe it can be a little fool's goal just trying
to evaluate those position groups. But yeah, I'd say it

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mostly depends on like, wait, are you really good there?
Or are you take good there just because you're actually
really bad?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Whatever happen?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
And how do you know that? You know when you're
watching it? How do you know when you watch one
unit that is prolific, how do you determine whether it's
because that unit is prolific or because the other side
of it is so inept.

Speaker 7 (54:16):
Yeah, I think it's one of the difficult things of camp.
You know, there's a little bit of past precedent that
I think it's fair to use, especially if the personnel
hasn't changed too much. Like let's take month or two.
I guess Wednesday. To your point, all the day is
run together. The first eight camp, the cult passing offense
was awful. Now, if Jay Querry was covering the day
one of training camp in two thousand and seven and

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the cults passing offense was awful, you'd probably walk off
the practice field that Rose Holman or Anderson or wherever
and say, well, yeah, they might have partied too hard
in the offseason. That might just be some day one
rust right, because there's past president that they're great. Well,
when day one is awful for the twenty twenty five Golds,
you walk off the practice field saying, man, that looks

(54:58):
like the worst passing offense the entire the worst passing
offense in the entire NFL. So I just it's not
perfect by any means, trust me, But.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Okay, we'll hang on for Kevin just a second. Put
him on hold, Eddie, We'll check back on the connection.
Because one of the things that one of the final
things I wanted to touch on with Kevin was this
and that is what player that we are used to
knowing of, or what player that we are used to seeing,
or what player that we thought was an automatic for
the Colts, Kevin, what player on this roster is a

(55:36):
little bit like your cell phone connection and the fact
that it feels like it's pretty good and then all
of a sudden you're like, whoa wait a minute, like
it's a little bit shaky there, and that surprises me.
Is there anybody who has gotten onto a rougher start
to this camp than you expected?

Speaker 7 (55:52):
Well, I don't think the first three days has been
good for Adie Mitchell. I don't know what you well
you think of them. I guess you know, that's still
left for others to you know, kind of infer you know,
certainly they're still really high on him. Last year he
proved to be super unreliable on a variety of levels
whenever the ball was thrown his way, and in some way,
shape or form, he's had I probably talk it up

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to at least three inner drops or fumbles when the
ball has hit his hands so far the first three days,
and it's not like he's been targeted a ton like
kind of Warren for example, has been targeted, especially these
last two days, quite a bit, and he's been pretty reliable.
So yeah, the unreliability of Ady Mitchell, I don't think
it's gone anywhere. Three days into Camp Kicker. We had

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a Kicker duo today. Both of them look shaky.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
I don't know if.

Speaker 7 (56:42):
People feel super good about that position. The whole cutting
of Matt Gay was just kind of odd to me.
It was like, I get that he has struggled from
fifty and longer, but like the dude's inside of fifty,
I know that's not you know the money you're paying
him for. But I probably would have liked to have
seen him compete with Spencer Trader than some undrafted dude.
But nonetheless, the kicker competition, uh, Trader I think was

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four or six today and the other dude, Maddox was
three or five.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Listen, all I know is this, You do not want
your NFL franchise to be one that its biggest free
agent signing of the last three years was a kicker.

Speaker 7 (57:19):
Right well, yeah, especially when the kicker doesn't work out either.
So yeah, no, that's that's Banner and Lucas o for that.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
All right.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Kevin Bowen is probably right now driving somewhere back from
Grand Park in Westfield and doing so going through a
tunnel because the entire area is under construction, and that's.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Why cell phone spoted. Kevin.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Appreciate it. Have a good weekend, all right. Yep, thank
you Kevin Bowen joining us on the program. Interesting stuff there,
And I agree with the part about you know you
don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
I just keep going back to this point.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Yes, you don't know whether if something is really humming
along in camp, if that's because that's a unit that's outstanding,
or because the unit they're going against is really struggling.
You know, those are two things that are you kind
of never know, and sometimes maybe you don't know until
the regular season begins. You know, I'm foolish enough. There

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have been times where I've I remember covering, you know,
some camps and seeing a player and hearing coaches talk
them up, and I started drinking the kool Aid. Oh yeah,
I started drinking the kol Aid, right, And I'm like,
and by the way, is there any listen the phrase
drinking the kool aid? We all know the origin of
that phrase. To me, yes, but you know it wasn't

(58:42):
actually kool aid. The marketing folk in the late seventies
of kool Aid had to have been beside themselves over
the fact that they're like, why does no one know
that this actually was I believe it was called I'm
not even gonna say the name of the product in
case I said incorrectly. Well, I mean we just said
drink the kool Aid. I think it was called fl
or Flavor, right, something like that that was used in Jonestown,

(59:04):
and everybody just assumes it's kool aid. So now like
to say that you are blindly drinking like propaganda is
you're drinking the kool aid. That seemed like a marketing
mishap for the kool aid folk to not get in
front of that when that all happened. But I digress.
There have been players that you hear all this chatter about,

(59:24):
and when you hear, let me give you a tip,
a piece of friendly advice. If there's a player that
you're not overly familiar with in the NFL, and you
hear coaches all of a sudden, out of nowhere, start

(59:46):
talking that guy up. But he's just really flying and
there are buzzwords that are used here, ready to step up,
flying around, making plays done, some really good things, has
a good burst. When you start hearing those things out
of nowhere unsolicited from a coach, oftentimes, what that means

(01:00:09):
is you are listening to a coach who is talking
up a guy that is totally underperforming, but he's trying
to get that guy some juice. He's trying to get
that guy to buy in. He's hoping that guy hears
that he's talking about how much he believes in him.
So if they know that a particular player at a

(01:00:31):
particular position is really important to them and they need
that player to rise to the occasion. There are two
ways to motivate. One of them clearly, and with some
players this is what you would do. Some of them.
The way that you motivate is to say, look, this guy,
he better get it in gear, this guy better get

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it going, this guy's in serious trouble. We need somebody
to play this position, and nobody's jumped up and grabbed
that spot. That motivates when you do it that way.
And another way to motivate them is to and coaches.
You know, coaches have different ways in which they know
and that's what makes a great coach a great coach.

(01:01:13):
A great coach knows that on a fifty three man
roster motivation, what's good for the goose is not always
good for the gander. And I think good leaders know
this in any walk of life, any business that you're in,
that getting through to Jim and accounting may be a
completely different technique that Jim responds to than what Marrion

(01:01:36):
marketing responds to. And knowing the variation by which you've
got to kind of prod people to get the best
out of them is part of good leadership. And sometimes
when you hear coaches saying, you know, I'll be honest,
you guys were you know, Reynolds has shown a lot

(01:01:56):
of pop here. I mean, he's flying around making plays.
And that's a guy that the we like what we
see in him, we do, and he just has an
energy about him that when he steps out on that field,
he's got the ability. He puts himself in the right spots.
He's flying around, he's prepared, he's got a big opportunity.
It's a big opportunity for him, and we're confident that

(01:02:17):
he's going to rise to that opportunity because he knows
what's there for him. You can see that and say, okay,
well this guy's playing well. Or oftentimes if it's like,
wait a minute, we didn't ask about that guy, and
nobody's noticed that guy, Why all of a sudden are
they talking up that guy? It is, in fact, sometimes
as a last dish push to get that guy going,
And that sometimes is indicator to you that what you're

(01:02:39):
hearing is a player that is not performing well, that
is in some jeopardy of losing his spot because he
has not reached out and grabbed it. And I think
last year and I know he was a rookie, but
there is a part of me. Last year, there is
nobody that the Colts talked up more in camp than
Adie Mitchell. We heard a lot about eighty Mitch love,

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the wiggle of Adie Mitchell, love the burst of Adie Mitchell,
love the behind the ball aspect of Adie Mitchell. And
if Kevin's right and he and a. You notice you
don't hear as much about Adie Mitchell this year, you know,
is that, Hey, look we're gonna see what this guy
can do. And it's a big year for him. I'm
saying that, not them. It's a big year for him
if he doesn't get going. If ad Mitchell makes this

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team and doesn't get going by week, by the time
the leaves are falling, then you start to really look
at it and wonder.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
By the time we get your mom's voicemail, that's exactly right, Eddie,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
You know my mom will tell you that when the
leaves fall and it's raining outside, those wet leaves are
a toxic mix, right, The moisture in the leaves very dangerous.
You have to always make sure that you're looking and
they're they're they're wonderful to look at but the wet
leaves are dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Eddie, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
That is that's an annual event, is it not? It
is my mom's voice. Hi, jac it's mom every year
every year. By the way, coming up two o'clock, John
Orvitz going to join us. He's got a book coming
out about racing in ninety nine. You hear that and
you think, what in the world are you talking about?
But we will explain when Orviitz joins us. Because it
is also Brickyard Week activity Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Yesterday it

(01:04:15):
was the USAT guys, you heard us mentioning it. It
is the All State four hundred coming up on Sunday
on this feel good good for the hard Friday, which
we will have a conversation with you about an hour
from now about something when it comes to the heart
that you probably were unaware of but need to be
aware of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Eddie.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
You're wearing your reds shirt. We need to check in
on our baseball bet. And there is something that happened
last night to me where I looked up and I
realized that the baseball bet might be slivering through my fingertips.
But at the same time, I'm ready to reach out
and grab something with it and find the joy in it,
and we'll talk a little baseball and I'll tell you
what that is next.

Speaker 6 (01:04:53):
Hi, Jake, this is Mom calling. I was listening to
the weather tonight and there's going to be a lot
of wind and a lot of rain in the next
couple of days. So we're at that time of year
where the wet leaves are a real hazard. So I
want your listeners to know that they need to be
careful and watch for the wet leaves when they are

(01:05:15):
driving and when they are walking. The leaves in the rain.
They're just a toxic mix and we have to be
on top of it. So have a good day.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Bite especially walking, Eddie. Got to be careful when you're
walking on the wet leaves, right, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
I've got three of those that by the way, that
just so people know that voicemail is from like October,
but my mom does it each and every year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Although it is raining out right now, right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
I think it is. I've got like three of those
messages in my archives here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Do you really?

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Yeah, we've been doing the show together that long. My
mom's been doing that annually. That's that's my mom's thing. Man,
that's why my mom's you know, people like my mom
more than like me, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Well goes without saying.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
So last night, speaking of my mom, My mom and
I actually went out to dinner last night and you go,
what's that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Where'd you go? Went to the ale emporium?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Did you get the Hermanoky Wings? Shannon met us. No,
my mom got They both got a buffalo chicken wrap.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
That's what you got it and that's what they get.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
I got. I got a salad.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Oh, I do like the Hermanoky wings though, fabulous. Mom
and Shannon get it right. Well, what's that? Do your
mom and Channing get along?

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Oh yeah, now what about your mom and Emily long
Neck Dad?

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Mom likes Emily as well. Yes, Emily's been to the
Thanksgiving My mom likes her. So I'm sitting there and yesterday,
I think it was yesterday before I went to dinner
with my mom. Obviously I popped in the studio. I
had to print something out after the show. This may
have been two days ago. And right when I walked in,
J ANDV was talking about players historically that after the

(01:06:51):
All Star break going a total swoon, like a player
that is an All Star and then that was the
peak of the year, and that was the curse and
everything just fell apart after that. And as I walked in,
I was across the hall recording some things. So as
I walked in, I wasn't totally hip to what he
was talking about and didn't realize when he asked me
the question. And I think I brought up like Attlee

(01:07:12):
Hammocker serving up Bo Jackson's home run, and then that
kind of was the pinnacle of his I shouldn't tay career.
He had some World Series moments, but anyway, then I
caught on to the fact that what JV was talking
about was the Detroit Tigers, who at one time were
the best team in baseball man, and got out to
an unbelievable start, and it looked like it was going

(01:07:34):
to be the Summer of eighty four all over again
up in Detroit. I've got a couple of buddies already
that have gone up there to see them play. And
you know, they're kind of obviously a historic team, but
not one that you hear a lot about or think
of or whatever else. But man, they are, I mean,
and they're still in first by a wide margin. I mean,
they got an eight game lead, but what are they

(01:07:56):
like one to nine in their last ten, They've lost
four in a row.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Yeah, they're struggling to put runs up on the board.
Which is my biggest concern about them entering the season, Jake,
is that they had a really good year last year.
They made it to the postseason, made it to the
American League Championships Series, if I'm not mistaken. But the
problem that I had with them is that they were
so dependent on their starters, and their starters going deep
into games and lights out pitching. I didn't know if

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they had the offense to really play and make a
deep postseason run. And that was my big issue with
them going into this year again because they didn't do
anything different. And Raley Green's having a really good year
for him, and that's about it really in terms of
offensive numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Okay, I would like to know. And this is what
I was thinking of is I was at dinner last
night and watching it and looking up with the Detroit
Tigers and was sitting there with my mom and Shannon,
and I looked up and it hit me, and I
want you to tell me Eddie Garrison as a matter
of fact, you folks can let me know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
I will allow.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
I'm going to throw this to the audience, a little
people's court to the audience here to be. I'm allowing
myself to be judged. Okay, thank you, Da. So I
grew up a Cincinnati Reds fan, going to King's Island
over there by the log Flume. They had that little
Reds merchandise stand, and I always wanted a Joe Morgan jersey,

(01:09:19):
the white jerseys with the little V neck and the
sleeves on them, I mean, I love them. And I
and my sister loved Johnny Bench because my sister was
a catcher playing softball growing up. And obviously you had
Rose and Griffy, you know, the big Red Machine. And
I saw the twilight of the Big Red Machine. But
like most kids growing up in Central Indiana even to
this day, my first experience with Major League Baseball was

(01:09:42):
going to Riverfront Stadium and seeing the Reds. And even
though I was seeing more Gary Retis, Eddie Millner, Paul Householder,
I saw the twilight of the Big Red Machine and
certainly the reference to the Big Red Machine. So that
was my team. And in ninety when I was a
senior in high school. They one wire to wire. You
know that that group awesome And I still am a

(01:10:05):
Reds fan. When Jay Bruce hit the home run they
win there, I loved it twenty twelve. Went to several
games that year, I mean, and then Marty shaved his head, yes,
I mean all in right, and then the San Francisco Nightmare.
So having said that, in the American League, the Blue
Jays were always my American League team. Always liked the

(01:10:29):
Blue Jays. I've given the reasoning before. You know, I
got baseball cards signed by a bunch of Blue Jays
when I was a kid. I had family friends that
lived in Toronto, and I loved those baby blue powder
blue Blue Jay uniforms of the mid eighties.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Has that changed now?

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
A cute fella Jesse Barfield Lloyd most people's So here's
my question. So then the Blue Jays got away kind
of from you know, the Jesse Barfield Lloyd mostby George
Bell that era and they I was a big fan
when they won the World Series with Joe Carter, but
then baseball in general just kind of slipped from my

(01:11:04):
main conscious It was not a sport that was one
I still followed it obviously, but I wasn't as dialed
into it. I don't think the American culture is just
dialed into it over the course of the regular season
like I was back then. And then, yes, to your point, Eddie,
I just realized that the best logo is the cute

(01:11:25):
Fella of the Orioles.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Hey wrote for me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
That's what he's saying on the hat.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Although it's not going so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Well, It's okay, listen, cute fella is resilient and he's
got a nice nest there in that stadium in Baltimore. Okay,
but Camden Yards, and when Indy car had their race
there and I and the the official Orioles merchandise staff
made me a cute Fella shirt that said cute Fella,
and I thought I was close to getting cute Fella

(01:11:55):
adopted by Baltimore as the name of the mascot because
they just call it the Oriole Bird, which is lame.
But you know, only so many trademarks within this noggin, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
My point is this, I've always kind of liked the
athletics because I liked Ricky Henderson when I was a kid,
and I just liked the color scheme, and I went
out to a game at Oakland Coliseum by myself and
during IndyCar one year, and then I went with Henry
Woodford and had a good time out there. And so
I've always kind of liked the A's. I've always kind
of liked the Orioles. Lately, as you know, I have

(01:12:27):
a new tradition where we go once a year to
a daytime game to Chicago to see the White Sox
and they are awful, and that's part of the charm
of it is we're there and we're watching this team
and there aren't many people there and whatever else. So
what I'm getting at is, I would like to know
in my people's court question here to the masses, is
it terrible that I have like five or six teams

(01:12:51):
that I root for in baseball in today's era, and
I don't necessarily have a quote unquote favorite team. I'm
the first two bit. If the Reds got super hot
and went to I mean, then that nostalgia grasps me
and I'm all back in. But I don't sit and
watch every Reds game, but I do check the scores
with regularity and the standings and where they are of

(01:13:12):
the Athletics, the Orioles, the White Sox, and the Blue Jays,
the Mets as well, oddly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Enough, are metropolitans. Yes, oddly enough. So I'm the first
to admit that I'm a little bit of a front
runner on whichever of those teams is doing best kind
of draws me in for that summer. You mean a bandwagoner.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
A bandwagoner, though, I think is more so whatever team
that year is the best, that's who they're a fan of.
And then the next you know, like right now, So
a bandwagoner would have been a Tigers fan two months ago,
and now all of a sudden they're all in on
the Blue Jays or Houston or you know, the Dodgers.

(01:13:53):
But for me, it's more just based on like my
experiences within those teams. But there are five or six
that I kind of kind of equally across the board.
Does this make me the world's worst baseball fan or
the most realistic Reds fan? Which is it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
It's one of those two?

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (01:14:14):
Not?

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Nice punch line there?

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
It's true, right, it's one of those two. So I'm
kind of I mean, I have it. I have a
Blue Jays hat that I've had for thirty years.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
It's got. I mean, the the stitching is tattern, all
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Right, I have it, so I can prove that I
have a long standing fandom. I have a White Sox
bat from that day of nineteen seventy nine. But I'm
a Reds guide through and through. But they're just kind
of in, you know, right there. But in terms of
our beer bet, Eddie, you took the two teams the
best combined record of the two teams that you selected,

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the total number of wins. You took the Blue Jays,
who are sitting at sixty one wins and the Marlins
at forty eight, so you have a total of one
hundred and nine.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
It helps when you've got best team in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Listener, Chad, Well, there are like three of them that
are hanging around for that best record, right. Oh yeah,
Actually the best team in the league right now is Milwaukee,
right yeah a percentage. Yeah, So Chad went with the Reds.
Not bad fifty three wins, but he partnered them, if
I'm not mistaken, with the Rockies terrible decision twenty six.
So he's got seventy nine. He's thirty games behind you. Now, I,

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on the other hand, went with my heart and not
my head. I went with the Athletics at forty three,
White Sox at thirty seven. I'm sitting at eighty, Eddie.
It'll be surf side that I'll be hooking you up with.
But I've already given you that once before. Now see,
I love this, Hey, Jake, there's nothing wrong with rooting

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for multiple teams in baseball, considering especially that we do
not have our own franchise here in town. I agree,
But then that statement is kind of disqualified by the
person's exit of the text. Go Yankees, Come on, you're
a Yankees fan.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
You're a Bandwagon fan, right, Yankees just traded for Colorado
Rocky's third baseman, Ryan McMahon. By the way, so not
good for Chad, but good true whomever texted you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
By the way, this just tend you happen to have
the breaking newshatter. I made you League Baseball yesterday announcing
it's Luckiest Man Award. It goes to Ry McMahon, who
is now a member of the New York Yankees after playing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
For the Colorado Rockies. We'll play.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
He is celebrating like there's no tomorrow. The greatest export
from west of the Mississippi since Coor's Light, which you
couldn't get unless it was at a refrigerated truck. As
Rumor had it in the mid eighties.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
It ranning outside, Jake, I saw you leave the studio. Yes,
so that means it's gonna be muggy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Okay, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
When it's hot like this, and it was hot, I
mean earlier today when I was out at the colts
camp it was. And when it's hot like that, you
walk out and it's but then it rains like this,
and after it gets done raining and the temperature doesn't

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go down, and now all of a sudden, the entire
world feels like the steam coming off of asphalt. Then
it turns into this. Good that's what it's going to
be like outside in about twenty minutes. No boeno, no thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
I feel bad for the people at IMS that I'd
have to sit through this, you know, and the drivers.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Who man it is I mean, it is hot. Yeah,
it's rough.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
So certainly if you're out there or on your way out,
you know, be careful. And you know, it does sound
like a cliche to be sure to hydrate, but you do.
You definitely want to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
IndyCar races this weekend too, right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Jake Moderrey Laguna Seka, that is the call that I
will be on Indy next and IndyCar both.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
So we still in the mindset that Polo is without
question going to win the series, or is Potos starting
to you know, raise eyebrows and like, eh, maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Polo is at the point now. I remember asking Alex
Polo a couple of races ago. I'm trying to think
of where we were. It might have been at Gateway
whether or not he starts to consider, you know, like
with qualifying, if he didn't have a good qualifying run,
what does he do throughout the course of a race,
and does he consider the championship in mind, whether or

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not to be aggressive or not. And at that time
he was like, no, I'm still under the mindset that
I'm going for every win. I think Polo has put
himself in position now where his point advantage is comfortable
enough of the over PoTA award that Polo knows that
so long as Polo does not have a disastrous weekend,
that the margin is going to be too much. So

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I think Polo goes into the weekends, Eddie thinking to himself,
I just got you know, I've just got to go
out and fit bring the car home safely, like say,
a top six each and every race, and then it's
going to be difficult for anybody to catch me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Ninety nine point lead over PoTA right now, and Kyle
Kirkwood is how far back? One seventy three Dixon won
seventy four.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Yeah, so that's you know, Kirkwood has really faded here
in the last couple of races. Because he was our
buddy Chiefs fan Steve Kansas City Steve. He asked me
at the beginning of the year, he said, you know
what I want to start doing, IndyCar. I want to
become a fan. And I said, okay. And so I
said to him, because I know he's a football fan,
I made a list of quarterbacks in the NFL and

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what quarterback I thought each driver was. Oh really so
that it gave Steve a good idea of who he
was rooting for.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Did you give Polo as Patrick Mahomes?

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
And so I think I did put Polo as Mahomes? Yes,
you know Dixon. I can't remember exactly who I put
for each one of them. I would not put anybody
as Aaron Rodgers, because I think Aaron Rodgers at this
point is washed. Can't remember who I put down for Dixon,

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but I did like six or seven of them, and
he picked Kirkle. I don't remember which quarterback I said
for Kirkwood, but he picked Kyle Kirkwood. And that's this guy,
and he's watched every race and was super excited until
a couple of weeks ago. Kirkwood's kind of been brought
back down to life a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Baker Mayfield, I would say, is more like Renus VK.
Really where Renus VK. Baker Mayfield started out, you know,
with a lot of hype and expectation, as did Renis
VK as a young driver with a very good seat,
and then kind of hit a point where people were like, yeah,
is there need to be a change. Here goes to

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a new team and has found new life with it
and is showing like, well wait a minute, there was
something still there. Yeah, And that's what VK has been
able to do with Dale Coyn. Renius VK is a
really good driver.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
I'm glad you brought him up because there's a lot
of you know, speculation about the future of will Power
with Team Penske. Is that a realistic option?

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
I think when that happens at this point and less
he turns it down, David Malucas will get that ride.
So what happened with Penske is Team Penske began a
technical alliance with aj Foyt Racing, and so therefore when
David Malucas came over to aj Foyt, the thought process
by just about everybody was that that was essentially a

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Penske in waiting contract and that Melucas then will get
will Power's ride when will Power at the end of
the year moves on from Team Penske, that Melucas would
be that guy if it was not for some reason
that fell through. I think, VK that's a realistic discussion

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or possibility to be had, but I think it's going
to be Malucas now. The other one is whenever Dixon
decides to retire, who gets that number nine ride, because
that's a preeminent ride in teams with Alex Polow and
I wonder if that wouldn't end up being Joseph Newark
really a couple of years down the road, I mean

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there's no reason to believe that that's imminent right now.
But you wonder when New Garden's contract's up, no Tim
Cindric there, does he look to go elsewhere as well?
It's been a tough year for him, really tough year.
Sometimes not even necessarily entirely his fault last race had nothing.
No one's fault on Penske or New Garden either one.
Just a just a tough break, plain and simple. It's

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a friday, good for the hard Friday. We'll do that
coming up in about thirty five minutes. We'll also talk
a little racing with John Rovitz in about fifteen. But
when we come back, what's happening at Colts Camp today?
What jumped out? And who is looking good? And who
is looking like still they need they're hitting the snooze
button on the alarm for training camp. We will answer
those questions.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Next.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Things are on hold at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway right
now due to lightning in the area. Obviously, if you
were in the Indianapolis area you know that it is.
I mean, it's not like downpouring at least it wasn't
last I checked. But it's there's moisture on the racetrack.
I don't need a raincoat. One of my favorite Tom
Carnegie moments Tom Kernegiy, he was doing practice one day

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and there was just like very light precipitation and he
was on the fruit stand, caution on the race track,
moisture on the race course, slight pause. I don't need
a expletive raincoat all over the pa. Tom Carnegie legend

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at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway colts Camp week number one. Technically,
I guess you wouldn't say week number one because they
didn't start on Monday. But another practice is in the books,
and yes it has been very very warm, But I
don't think that there's anything necessarily per se that jumps

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out at you. This is the Anthony Richardson saga, situation, storyline, etc.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
To me, is fastating.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
And the reason why is because and I go back
to I talk about precedent a lot right. And by
the way, I'm now told Indianapolis Motor Speedway, done for
the day. Done for the day at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
The the thing about Richardson, he's kind of like, and

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I know I'm going on the way back here, but
it is a lot like Jonathan Bender when he was
a pacer. Now benders more was injury. But when Jonathan Bender,
and you've heard, I mean, we talked to Isaiah Thomas
about it, We've talked to Austin Kroscher about it. Bender
would do things in practice that you would say to yourself,
I've never seen a seven foot one guy do this.

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This was pre Durant taking the ball on the wing,
making one dribble and then taking one step and dunking,
stepping back and hitting a pull up three, driving on
the baseline and doing a doctor J level behind the
back the backboard arm swoop, but then finishing with a dunk.
Those were things that when you saw them, the inability

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to stay on the court, the inability to have consistency
when he did play, you kept pushing through to it
because you knew that that was there somewhere. And it's
not unlike I've always said, we all have this everyone
male or female. You have that one person that was

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so out of your league but gave you time of
day that every fifth time you made plans with them,
they actually followed through, and every eight times you called
them on the phone, they actually answered. But you totally
sacrificed them, threw away your dignity in pursuit of it,
because it was so out of your league and it
was so awesome when you were around them that you
kept going back to the well. Everybody's had that, everybody, right,

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You just hope the case of myself, that that's actually
the one you end up landing. But in a way
with Richardson, I think the big time play, the home
run play, the five hundred and sixty five foot shot
to right field, that's what captivates you. And that's why
the Colts keep going back to this well, even though

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he has not been able to stay healthy, and when
he has been healthy, he's not been able to be consistent.
And I saw it again today. But what I saw
today when I was out there was the Colts saying,
you know what. I know that this is an open
competition between Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson, but they're going

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to continue to work with Richardson because you think about
the falling off the back foot, sixty five foot pass
in the air, or the tuck of the football that
drive against the Jets, where he's making every right decision
and instinct and once he gets rolling he turns a
three yard play into a twelve yard play like every
single time, okay, And so that that glimpse, you keep

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going back to it hoping it happens. And that's why
Anthony Richardson is right now in a quarterback battle and
a situation where, given the body of work, if Anthony
Richardson in his career for the last two years had
come without that one play against I think it was
Houston where he goes sixty five yards without that one

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drive against the Jets, and if he had been a
third round draft pick or a free agent acquisition, if
he's Josh Freeman, then there's no way that he gets
this level of time. And Look, but I think they're
trying to do everything they can to make it work

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with Richardson for all of the reasons I just explained
and the reason why I think they're trying to make
it work, and the reason why I still truly believe
even though I think Daniel Jones is going to be
the Day one starter, I truly believe it's going to
be not because Daniel Jones won the job, but because
Anthony Richardson lost it. Because I think they are going
Daniel Jones is their default. I think they want Anthony

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Richardson to win that job. I think they need Anthony
Richardson to win that job. But if he doesn't, then
instead of dilly dallying around with it, they're eventually going
to say, Okay. The last thing that Anthony Richardson has
yet to do for us to motivate him is have

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a legitimate guy long term that could take his position
and take the keys from him. Because when he got here,
right when he came out of the NFL womb, he
was handed the keys to the kingdom, and then we
found out that he didn't fully understand its back in
the NFL. So all of a sudden, one day we

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get this word that, like, guess what he's he is
going to sit on the sidelines and others are going
to play before him. Okay, and Joe Flacco is going
to come in, and Joe Flacco is going to be
the guy. But Anthony Richardson's looking at it and he's
going Joe Flacco is two years away from replacing Joe

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Namath on insurance commercials during episodes of The Golden Girls,
that guy ain't taking my job long term. And other
players that were brought in. He's going, that's not a threat.
And I don't think Richardson's a bad, malicious guy like that,
but they didn't truly threaten his job. Now you have
a guy with a one year deal in Daniel Jones

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that Anthony Richardson has to look at and say, wha
wait a minute, and if that doesn't wake him up,
then you know that you have tried everything. But what
I I saw today when I got out there was
Anthony Richardson doing drills, throwing over the middle to Tyler
Warren two steps back, boom, quick release across the middle,

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the layups, And what did every coach tell you when
you played basketball and you weren't hitting your shots, when
you were in the driveway playing twenty one with your
buddies are around the world and nothing was going down?
What did you do in that moment you got yourself
to the free throw line, you're playing horse with somebody.

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You try first off to land a couple of Steph
Curry shots to get yourself out to an early lead,
and nothing's fallen. Eventually you say, you know what, I'm
just gonna go to the free throw line and just
hit a couple of free throws and get in rhythm.
Steph Curry has a game, Tyrese Haliburton has a game
where he's not shooting the ball. Well, what's the thing?

(01:30:54):
You never want for that player to get to the
free throw line to get in rhythm, because then everything
opens up. And the Colts right now are putting Anthony
Richardson on the free throw line. They are saying, we
know you can hit the home run, we know you
can tuck and run, but you have to be able
to play mid range game to be a quarterback in

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the National Football League. And we've tried everything else. We've
tried to send the message you did the tap out
and got benched again, You've been injured and lost critical
time as a rookie. But now we have a guy that, yes,
nobody is thinking that Daniel Jones is going to come
in here and automatically be Andrew Luck, but it could

(01:31:39):
be Sam Darnold and he could come in here and
play well, and then it's like, wha wait a minute.
Now he is a free agent at the end of
the year. Do the Colts then say to Anthony Richardson,
We've had a great time, we appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
We're moving On.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
I don't think you can rule that out, but I
think they want to give because they know ceiling and
Anthony Richardson is higher than the ceiling of Daniel Jones,
and they're going to give. This is the last push,
but they're going to give him every opportunity to seize it.
At the Kevin Bowen joined us earlier. We talked about
Tyler Warren getting a lot of reps at the tight

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end position. Jealannie Woods was on field, not necessarily jumping out.
They have been patient with him as well, and we'll
see whether or not he gets Now, if he is
healthy and able to stay healthy, is he going to
get the year to show what he can do or
is this okay? We waited and we were patient. We
wanted to see what would happen. And now we have

(01:32:37):
seen enough and unfortunately what we are seeing in that
enough is not quite enough, and so therefore we're going elsewhere. Defensively,
I thought it was interesting when we talked to cam Bindam,
and we talked yesterday about the fact that lou An
Arumo it's difficult to know whether or not the Colts
are going to be a straight up man defense or

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are they going to be a zone defense. Cam Biden
said he kind of prefers the zone. But cam Binden
in coming from the defense, he's coming from under Brian
Flores in Minnesota. They do a disguised defense. They do
that same kind of defense that it is designed to

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keep the offense guessing. And I thought it was interesting
that he talking about cam by them, he mentioned the
fact that they are not yet into the scheme. They
have not even gotten into long division defensively with this defense,
So it's hard to know. Zion Franklin is out there
today working out trying to get that ankle going a

(01:33:45):
little bit. He's not gonna go on pup, but it's
hard to know. If you look defensively at players for
the Colts and who is standing out defensively, you can't
read a lot into that yet because cam Biden told
us like, look, this isn't really anything in depth of
what exactly we're going to be. We are still learning
addition and subtraction and haven't even gotten into long division,

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let alone algebra defensively. But we do know that whatever
defense they end up going up with, and whether they
go with man or whether they go with zone, what
we know is that the Colts are going to be
a defense that the quarterback of the opposing team when
he gets to the line is going to see formation
that does not, in any way, shape or form represent
what it is once the ball is snapped. And that's

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become a more in vogue way of defenses doing things
in the NFL. But I think it means and necessitates
for more versatility defensively and guys that are very instinctive
with their vision of knowing when and where they need
to be and by them is an important part of that,
and it is a reason why you give a guy
a four year, sixty million dollar deal as kind of

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the last line of defense back there, quarterback, but eyes
of your defense looking over everything and letting people know
where to go. But other than that, there hasn't been
a whole lot that has jumped out at camp. We
don't have major storylines of Jonathan Taylor from a couple
of years ago. Sure, yesterday Bernard Ryin that got some
attention when Bernard Ryman comes out and says we're not

(01:35:12):
on the same page. And I thought the most telling
thing that he said, and I thought it was a
masterful and a smart thing that he said. When Bernard
Ryman comes out and says, my agent knows the value
of the position, and I know the value of the position,
but we don't know if the team knows the value
of the position, meaning his position of left tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
That to me.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
Was his way of saying, you know, yeah, like I
thought it was. I thought it was good gamesmanship for
negotiation for Bernard Ryman yesterday smart, It was smart, and
yeah Alec Pierce today before was a little bore cooy.
But Alec Pierce is in a little bit different situation
because he doesn't have the leverage that Ryman had. Brod

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Ryman's got leverage. He's got leverage. Wide receivers hate to
say it, love him. And Alec Pierce is a really
good player. He's a really good player, but he's also
Levi's five oh one. You can go to TJ Max,
I got them all over the place. Left tackle. You
got to go to a specialty store and they're only

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open on Sundays from twelve to four. That's it harder
to find, not a lot of them. And Ryman knows that,
and the Colts have to know that. So if I'm Ryman,
I'm automatically playing the gosh, I'm still waiting to see
what I'm worth, hoping that the Colts come in and
swoop in and make a big offer. Whereas Alec Pierce,
the Colts know we can keep him guessing a little bit,

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find out where we are, find out how we got
what we have left over. And that's no knock on
Alec Pearce, who I think is a good player, but
he also is a more fungible position than is left tackle.
I mean, that is the simple reality of it, that situation.
But so far it's been a camp where the storyline
has been the heat.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
That's it. That's not a bad thing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
And I've made it this far Friday, forty minutes for
the end of the week before I've gone on any
sort of rant about how weird it is that they're
practicing one hour a day and they're only three days
into it, and veterans are always already getting rest days.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
I haven't had gone there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
It's the lazy narrative, right, I'm a harder working guy
than that come up with storylines besides the obvious, which
is y. It's kind of weird, right, It's kind of
weird that, like we are an hour and I get it.
I get in the morning while you're doing the one
hour practices. But by goodness, but back back in why day,

(01:37:45):
coach Brian had kids out there two days the middle afternoon. Yeah, okay.
And the Colts have been a team that has had
a lot of injury and has they have struggled with
injuries and so therefore, you, you know, is this part
of the strategy again of keeping them healthier? I mean,

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you know, it seems Eddie. You tell me, does it
seem odd to you? Am I just like an old guy?
Or does it seem weird that they literally are doing
what hour and that's it a day?

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
I mean, you are an old guy, Jake. I'm just kidding.
That's how it's always been. Though I feel like they've
they're doing four consecutive practices as well, like they didn't
do that at all last year. They did an hour
each day. They went an hour fifteen today and I
don't know what tomorrow will entail. They'll practice tomorrow afternoon,
I believe at four o'clock. I don't know if the
pads will come on for tomorrow's practice or not, or

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if that'll be next week. But I don't think it's
out of the ordinary for them to only have an
hour Most teams are only practicing for an hour, hour fifteen.
They're not going hour and a half hour, forty five
two hours anymore. It's weird, right, And I think that's
more so of things that have gone on between contractual
talks and CBA agreements between the NFL and THERES Association

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and you know, all the health people that have been
included in these conversations.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
Yeah, I mean, I was just surprised yesterday when I
heard that I think it was Taekwon, Lewis, DeForest Buckner,
Kenny Moore, Braden Smith with the rest day. I totally
understand it. And those are guys that I get it.
Those are guys that I get it. They you know,

(01:39:30):
what possible things are you going to need to go over?
For DeForest Buckner, I totally understand it. And you know what,
we pre taped, pre taped something so I could get
back here in studio today because it was going to
be so hot. So I guess, you know, I do
get it. I just it was surprising to me joining
us now in the program. Longtime friend of the show,

(01:39:52):
he has been on with us obviously before. He also
is an accomplished writer and author who covers motor sports.
This weekend a big weekend in motorsports. You've got a
lot going on here in Indianapolis between the Brickyard four hundred,
between IndyCar taking place out in Laguna Seca. And in
addition to that, it has been twenty six years. Hard
to believe that since one of the great rookie classes

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that we have seen in open wheel racing, and John
Orovitz joining me now on the program to talk about
his book Class of ninety nine that had both triumph
and tragedy within that class. The book is now out
and ready to go, right John.

Speaker 9 (01:40:28):
More or less, we officially announced it today. It'll ship
probably six eight weeks from now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
Okay, So, but you have finished the writing of it,
is what I'm getting at, right, And you've colored in
all the pictures too, right.

Speaker 9 (01:40:39):
Yeah, the hard work's done. It's just a matter of
talking about it and hoping it generates generates interest among
the IndyCar fans.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Give me the drivers that you featured in this that
were rookie members of what was then Kart in nineteen
ninety nine.

Speaker 9 (01:40:56):
Well, of this group, the only rookie that I focus
on is is Juan Montoya. Cristiano Demata, who later went
on to be a champion in the Kart Series and
drove in Formula one, was also a rookie in ninety nine,
but Montoya actually won the championship that year and a
tie with Daria Frankety and so the group I focus
on they all broke in between ninety six and ninety nine,

(01:41:17):
but the focus of the book is the ninety nine season,
which you know, as I said, frank Dy and Montoya
tied for the championship. Greg Moore was, you know, a
rising star in IndyCar racing and you know, expected to
be a giant star of the future, and he got
killed in the last race. And a younger guy called
Gonzala Rodriguez also died that year at Laguna Seka. But

(01:41:41):
what was most notable was it really launched this generation
that I compared to the greatest generation of Mario and
Age and the uncers. I think if you look at
Ilio Castroneves, Tony Kannan, Juan Montoya, Daria Frankity, Greg Moore collectively,
they carried IndyCar racing for twenty years, are more the
same way that Mario and AJ and those guys did,

(01:42:03):
and so it really celebrates that generation and the way
Greg Moore brought them all together as friends. If you
talk to AJ or Mario or Bobby Unser about race
drivers being friends, you know, it was not the case
back in the day. But Greg had a contagious spirit
that really brought these guys together and learned that they
could trust each other and be friends.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
One of the things that to me is interesting, Oreo,
is the fact that, and I think people lose sight
of this if you look at the biggest superstars of motorsports,
and certainly from an Indianapolis five hundred standpoint, Bobby Unser,
Al Uncer, Dan Gurney for that matter, but Mario Andretti,

(01:42:44):
you know, Bobby Rayhall, Emerson, Fittipaldi, Tom Snev, Gordon, John Cock,
Rick Mears, all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
As great as that era was and is, as great
as the rivalries and the competition and the battles were,
the reality is that those drivers all for the most part,
with rare exception, they all retired with it about a
five year period of one another, and then all of
a sudden, almost seemingly in the bat of an eye.
I mean the split was the split as well, but

(01:43:13):
you now had all at one time. There wasn't the
slow immersion that you get now, right if you look
now at Scott Dixon or Tony Kanaan or Dario Frankidi.
They were able to race on the track against those
you know, Alexander Rossi and you know Renus vk and
whoever you consider it, Joseph Knugarden, the next rising star.

(01:43:37):
There was inter blend with them. How difficult was it
for this particular group you're talking about to kind of
just take over that handle of the torch without any
sort of real immersion between the group before them and
then their stardom.

Speaker 9 (01:43:55):
Well, I think there was kind of a lost generation
because you know what I consider the greatest generation. You
think of them in terms of the seventies, you know,
AJ Mario and the Unsters and those guys, the guys
that came to four in the eighties, Michael Andretti, Allenser Junior,
Ray Hall Emerson. I don't think they resonated the same way,
and their careers weren't as long and as established as

(01:44:17):
the generation before them, And somehow the eighties generation kind
of got lost and it wasn't until these younger guys
broke through at the end of the nineties, and they
did so despite the backdrop of the cart Irl split.
You know, Kart in nineteen ninety nine was still pretty strong.
But at the same time, as Mario Andretti says in
my book, you know, these guys, because of the politics

(01:44:40):
and the focus on the politics of the era, they
never got the recognition they deserved. And I think that
goes in some ways toward the guys in the eighties too,
because the nineteen seventy nine split never really ended. There
was always a cloud over the KRT series no matter
how successful it was in the eighties because of conflict
with the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
John when you were writing this book and you were
talking to well, let's go, let's start with Greg Moore,
because he's a centerpiece of the story of that season
of ninety nine. I know Montoya was the champion, but
more truly was not only a rising star, but to
your point, was involved in a you know, a terrible
accident that was a fatal accident at California Speedway to

(01:45:22):
end that season. Did you get a chance to go
back and talk to, you know, those that worked within
the team that Greg Moore was with, other than just
the drivers that he was competing against. Were there those
that you were able to talk to because of this
book that taught you even more about Greg Moore that
you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:45:40):
I spent some time talking to one of Greg's best friends,
a guy called Al Robbie who still lives out in
the Vancouver area, and he was there at Fontana and he,
you know, the companied Greg to a lot of Greg's
races between say, nineteen ninety five and nineteen ninety nine.
Another one was Patrick Carpontier, who was Greg's teammate at
the time, and it was, you know, it was really

(01:46:02):
chilling to hear heir Patrick's you know response to you know,
what was happening within the team as this day unfolded
Halloween nineteen ninety nine at California Speedway. Dave Popolars, who
is who was a crew member for Frankty at the time.
He's the head of restoration for the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum. Now,

(01:46:23):
he gave some really great insight and of course, you know,
even guys like Tony Kanaan, I mean, those guys didn't
learn that one of their best friends died until they
pulled into the pits at the end of that race.
Tony said he saw them put the flags down to
half staff in the middle of the race, which they did,
and he knew, and he says, you know, when they

(01:46:45):
put the flags to half mast, that's a world thing.
It means somebody died. And so imagine you're you know,
you're halfway through a five hundred mile race and you
make the connection that one of your best buddies just died.
I mean, the the things that these guys went through
back in the day, it's hard to fathom.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
How much did Greg Moore carry them. And I don't
mean that to to sound cheesy or over romanticize it,
but I've noticed it, and in my coverage of racing
and being around it, I think it's genuine just how
much Greg Moore continued to drive, pardon the pun and
motivate Dario and Kannan and you know, probably le e

(01:47:27):
O as well, even though there was an odd tie
in with ele O contractually moving forward. But how much
do you think Greg Moore, in the spirit of Greg Moore,
continued to band that group together even when Greg Moore
physically wasn't around them.

Speaker 9 (01:47:42):
I think it was very powerful and it extended to
later generations of racers, most famously James Hinchcliffe. Max Pappus,
you know, created the phrase red gloves rule because Greg
Moore used to say, you know, red gloves make you
a superhero. He always wore red gloves. Max after he

(01:48:03):
won his first race, ironically it was the first race
of two thousands, you know, he said red gloves rule
into his radio and James Hinchcliffe has picked up on that.
James Hinchcliffe, of course, another great Canadian racer. Hinchcliff, you know,
very memorably wore red gloves and I believe actually carry
a pair of Greg's gloves with him during his pole

(01:48:24):
run at Indianapolis a few years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
So he had.

Speaker 9 (01:48:29):
The only guy I can compare him to on a
world stage is Jille Villanube, the Formula One driver who
again he wasn't a champion. He won five or six
races for Ferrari obviously, Yeah, yeah, exactly. Jill Villenue was
killed in nineteen eighty two, and he held the same
kind of aura just you know, this, this fascination that

(01:48:51):
never went away among fans, drivers, anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
John when you look, John Orovitz is our guest, and
again his book, we will get you all the information.
Coming up just a second about the season of ninety
nine in Cart. Juan Montoya was the champion that year.
What motivated you? You've been around it a long time, John,
You've seen a lot of great you know classes, You've
seen a lot of great seasons, You've seen a lot
of great drivers.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
What made you decide? You know what, I'm going to
sit down and I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
Write this book because this is the story that needs
to be told.

Speaker 9 (01:49:24):
Well, it's as I think about it, I've I followed
IndyCar racing since the late seventies and you know, really
became a super fan in the eighties and started covering
it in the early nineties, And in all my experience,
the ninety nine Cart season, it's it's just the most
compelling single season of IndyCar I ever saw. I mean,

(01:49:45):
it just had it all. It had these young guys
that had you know, the old garden, Michael and Al
Junior on their way out. It had you know, the tragedies,
which which you hate that it's a part of sport,
a part of racing. That is part of its a lure.
But it was an important year for me too. I
had spent the past two years working public relations for

(01:50:07):
Past Racing, and I decided I would rather be on
the media side. I had no process doing in ninety nine,
but I ended up coming out of it okay. The
main thing was I got a job working for Quakett Sports,
who ran Cart's website at the time. In fact, Pimbler,
who's the producer of Fox IndyCar Coverage now, was the

(01:50:30):
producer of the website then, and so you know, in
some ways I was trying to establish myself the same
way those guys were. And you know the fact that
it was concurrent with this remarkable season, It was just
a real It was a privilege to be there, and

(01:50:50):
the reminder when you look back just how great IndyCar
racing was and hopefully can be again.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
Doesn't seem like long ago, that's for certain, but it
was six years ago. Class of ninety nine. Triumphant tragedy
in the nineteen ninety nine Cart IndyCar series from John Oriovitz,
who of course has written several books when it comes
to racing, notably about the split itself and everything that
took place with that. This is the latest class of
ninety nine available Amazon and where else at this point.

Speaker 9 (01:51:18):
Oreo Octanepress dot com is the publisher, and I'm sure
that if you just reach out to me via social media,
especially if you're locally and want to get a signed copy,
I'm glad to help you out. We should have books
late September, first of October.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
All right, appreciate Orio, talk to you soon. Octane Press,
by the way, again the publisher and website as well. John,
appreciate it as always.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
Thanks Jake, Take care, John.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
Orivitz joining us on the program. It's a Friday, It's
a bottom of the hour. You know what that means.
It is time for a Franciscan health feel good, good
for the heart story, and this one is one of
the monthly interviews that we do to get you caught
up on something that is oh so important. Let me
tell you a text that I got earlier today, literally
earlier today, somebody sent me a text saying, Jake, I
wanted to let you know the importance of a heart

(01:52:07):
scan because I thought I was healthy, went in and
got a heart scan and then found out that in
fact I did have blockage that made it necessary for
me to go on to cholesterol medication and get a stint.
The heart scan was also important. Just forty nine dollars
and I am very grateful for the opportunity from Franciscan
to talk about cardiovascular health. And we're going to do
that just a couple of minutes. On the other side, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
A Friday, it's the bottom of the hour. You know
what that means.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
It is time for if Franciscan Health feel good good
for the heart Friday. And we do this occasionally where
we step aside from telling you a feel good story
in terms of the world of sports and a story
that we hope will help you feel good in terms
of your heart health, and get a reminder Franciscan, I'll
get you all the information just forty nine dollars for
a heart scan, which is the most important thing to

(01:52:53):
do in the first step towards cardiovascular health. It is
not invasive, it is oh so simple and just forty
nine dollars. You can self refer pay out of pocket.
You get a heart health risk assessment with it as well,
and all from Franciscan. That is number one from multiple
multiple places throughout Indiana when it comes to cardiovascular care,
multiple scores of number one in the state of Indiana

(01:53:14):
for Franciscan Health. And joining me now on the program,
doctor Adam Hicks is a word certified vascular surgeon at
Franciscan and we're here to talk about PAD now. When
JMB is on the radio, PAD means PAD time, that
means extra time to talk about whatever. But in this
case it's more important than that. It's peripheral arterial disease.

(01:53:34):
And I can tiptoe my way through saying that, doctor
Adam Hicks, but I have no idea exactly what it means.
So welcome to the program. I appreciate the time, and
can you tell me more about PAD.

Speaker 10 (01:53:46):
Yes, So proofer arterial disease simply means blockages in the
arterial slow. Typically when we talk about it, we're discussing
the legs. So similarly to how a heart can have
blockages in its arteries that can cause a heart attack,
peripheral arterial disease can have blockages and the arteries that
lead down to your legs and feet, which can lead

(01:54:07):
to a symptom called qualtication, which is kind of cramping.
In the calf with walking as well as the development
of wounds, and if not treated appropriately, can ultimately lead
to amputation, which is obviously an outcome we're trying to avoid.
So that's why it's important to you get screened and
have a good understanding of, you know, what your cardiovascular

(01:54:31):
health is.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
You know, if you go with doctor Hicks. And again
this will show why I talk about ball scores and you're,
you know, a doctor right with the neophyte level with
which this question is going to come. But when you
talk about something like this and the arterial disease and
the issues, say in the legs, is it more often

(01:54:52):
that that issue can then lead to heart disease or
is this actually a byproduct and a emptom of the
fact that heart disease is already consistent or visible within
the patient.

Speaker 10 (01:55:07):
Yeah, so heart disease and peripheral arterial disease are kind
of one and the same thing, because ultimately, when we
say heart disease, we typically are talking about the blood
vessels that are feeding the heart. Similarly, peripheral arterial disease
we're talking about the blood vessels that feed down to
the legs. And so certain lifestyle choices such as obesity, smoking, diabetes,

(01:55:34):
high cholesterol, and high blood pressure. All these things kind
of combined to cause both heart disease. But maybe the
lesser known thing is that it has that same effect
on the arteries throughout the body, which can lead to
peripheral arterial disease. So most of our patients with peripheral
arterial disease, we just presume also will have a component

(01:55:54):
of party of vascular disease or heart disease as well.
So it's essentially it's the same process. It's just affecting
arteries in different locations.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
You know, when you when you look at this particular issue.
Doctor doctor Adam Hicks is my guest. He's a board
certified vascular surgeon with Franciscan Health and we're talking about
peripheral peripheral arterial disease. Are there signs and symptoms for
somebody that you know? Is there a particular age range
in which this begins to show itself and what would

(01:56:24):
the signs or symptoms be.

Speaker 10 (01:56:27):
Yeah, so most people will begin showing symptoms as early
as their fifth or sixth decade of life. Does anybody
you know sixty seventy years or older is kind of
the typical age range where we begin to see symptoms.
Most commonly, the first symptom is because there's not enough
blood flow getting down to the muscles in the foot
in calf, people will get cramping. They're kind of like

(01:56:49):
a Charlie horse in the calf when they start walking
long distances and they'll notice that they can they cannot
walk as far over time, and then as the disease advances,
people can develop wounds on the feet too. It's another
symptom that we'll frequently see.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
And would someone just go to you know, doctor Hicks
there there every day. Let's say, for example, that you
go to your just your general practitioner and then this
is discovered, would you go into just simple cardiology with that,
or is there a specific area and focus of a
doctor that one would see, a specialist that one would
see for it.

Speaker 10 (01:57:25):
Yeah, so this is a great thing to bring up
with your primary care doctor. They'll know exactly what test
to order. Fortunately, it's a very straightforward simple tests that
they can order. It's just an ultrasound, so there's no
radiation or any anything else associated with it. It's usually
a pretty quick test under fifteen minutes or so, and

(01:57:47):
any general practitioner should be able to order that the
disease process itself is typically managed you know, by vascular surgeons,
but also sometimes we'll be managed by cardiologists and some
other specialty as well. But any general practitioner will be
able to get arterial ultrasounds of the legs and get

(01:58:08):
a good baseline for what the blood float to the
legs looks like. If you're having any symptoms.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
What is something someone can do to be preventative to
make sure that this is not something that they encounter.

Speaker 10 (01:58:19):
Yes, so, even though it's a little bit of counterintuitive
because the folks who have proper arterial disease will have
cramping when they walk, actually exercising and walking is one
of the best things that you can do that's great
for your cardiovascar health, but it also helps improve the
flow and the arterial blood vessels that are still open

(01:58:40):
and patient. Additionally, avoidance of tobacco products so no smoking,
and then adherence to your other medical you know, issues
such as keeping your blood pressure low, being on cholesterol
or medications, a healthy diet. All of those things are
very helpful in preventing PAD.

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
Doctor Adam Hicks is our guest we're talking about he
is a board certified by the Way vascular surgeon at
Franciscan Health. We're talking about PAD. So let's just go
through one of my hypotheticals. We'll take a guy named John. Okay,
So John goes in, he goes to his general doctor.
This is discovered for John the overall then I guess

(01:59:24):
roadmap the next month or two for John in terms
of treatment and the therapy and the things that he
would go through moving forward would be what.

Speaker 10 (01:59:32):
Yes, So the first thing I do is just get
a general sense for how severe the diseases, which typically
can be accomplished with just one of those ultrasound tests.
But also my physical exam is an important part of
the process, so I always make sure to look at
the feet, listen to the pulses, and take a feel
of the blood pressure in the feed, all those things.

(01:59:53):
So I take those factors, and most patients, in the
absence of severe pain or wound, they will require a
surgical intervention, but rather we treat with different medication adjustments,
walking program and obviously trying to abstain from tobacco use.
So we typically will put them on kind of a

(02:00:14):
monitoring program where we try and optimize those medical things
that we can. Most of the patients who are identified
to have PAD can be managed medically, but there are
a small subset of patients who will progress to worsening
PAD and may potentially need interventions. Oftentimes those can be

(02:00:35):
done with minually invasive approaches, kind of like a heart cathorization.
It's similar, and we do essentially a leg cathorization and
can take pictures of the blood vessels in the leg.
But fortunately, most people can be managed medically and will
not need an invasive procedure. And then even a smaller
subset of patients may need open surge bypasses.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
Doctor Adam E.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
Sports, certified vascular surgeon with and ciscin Health and again
doctor forty nine dollars heart scan. There's no reason for
people to not get it right. I've been preaching this
forever and I think you probably agree.

Speaker 2 (02:01:09):
Yes, absolutely, doctor, I appreciate the time.

Speaker 1 (02:01:12):
I know you're the product Cathedral High School, the Dayton
Flyers as well in Indiana University in terms of the
School of Medicine. I certainly appreciate the time, and we
look forward next time that we have another area that
we need to explore that we have you back on
the program.

Speaker 2 (02:01:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:01:26):
I would love to come back and chat some more.

Speaker 1 (02:01:28):
Appreciate it, Doctor Adam Hicks, Board certified vascular surgeon from
Franciscan Health.

Speaker 3 (02:01:34):
Your big plans Eddie for the weekend would be what not?
Entirely sure, Jake, I'm not sure yet. I may go
out to the Green Park tomorrow, entirely sure. What the
plans are? I I and you talk to a Levy
to see if she wants to do anything. I know
she's been mentioning about wanting to get to a pool
and hang out at Lazy River at some point. So
maybe this weekend, how about you? I know you've got.

Speaker 1 (02:01:55):
IndyCar IndyCar indeed correct, Laguna Seika, California, which will be
fun this weekend. Obviously the brickyard taking place as well,
but I will be on the IndyCar side of things.
We do kind of split cruise for that. Nick and
Michael will be with the guy Michael Young. Correct, They

(02:02:15):
will be with the PRN guys doing the brickyard, and
then Mark James myself will be on the IndyCar side
doing Monterey. I'm looking at the camp schedule for the
Colts for practice days upcoming. What is today's day? Today
is the twenty fifth, correct, Yes, sir, They have one
tomorrow at I think four Tomorrow practice is from four

(02:02:38):
until five thirty, that is correct. Then the twenty eighth,
that is Monday practice from ten until eleven fifteen. The
twenty ninth Tuesday ten until eleven thirty for practice for
the Colts. As that is the lineup for the next
couple of days. Keep in mind on the back half
of their training camp schedule is when they start to

(02:03:01):
do the joint practices that take place, and they have
you know, obviously a busy weekend as well, those joint
practices that take place. I believe that is what the
eleventh and fourteenth is that right, While.

Speaker 3 (02:03:15):
They only have one at Grand Park and that's just
on the fourteenth with Attackers, they have one with the
Baltimore Ravens in Baltimore on that leading up to the
first preseason game.

Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
So busy weekend though for everybody involved, and look forward
to being able to talk about all of it on Monday.
Thanks again to Cam buying him. I thought he was
outstanding by energy man, totally really nice guy. Cam buying
them for the colts that available. That podcast will be
available in podcast form one oh seven five the fan

(02:03:49):
dot com where you can hear that.

Speaker 3 (02:03:52):
And how about Cam hyping us up a little bit, Jake,
at least to you in terms of your profession.

Speaker 1 (02:03:58):
Yeah, he said actually that he thought it would be
hard because I said, man, you've got a natural broadcasting
career in front of you. Because he's very energetic, I thought,
you know, really explain things well. And he said, I
wouldn't be able to talk for three hours. Wait, so
are you saying that our job is difficult? And he said,
your job is harder at mine. I wonder how he
knew he did a three hour show. I think I

(02:04:19):
might have said, no, you're right. He actually he's the
one that volunteered that, right, Yeah, he volunteered that information.
But he was super cool and I thought offered really
good perspective. And in particular, you know, he's one of
those guys that you look at and you go, okay,
they signed him for four years and sixty million, and
then when you see him and you're around you see why.
I mean, there is a leadership aspect there. There is

(02:04:42):
a football IQ aspect there just to IQ in general,
I mean being able to go to the Philippines and
teach you about football. Just a really good guy, So
Cam Bindham. That is available on the podcast John's Up Next.
We'll be back with you at noon on Monday. I
thank you for listening to Quarying Company.

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