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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So there is plenty to get to today, beginning with
the fact that now we as we do on Tuesdays,
we kind of turn the page a little bit complete,
putting a tie on the Colts previous game, and then
start looking towards what is next for them. And I

(00:20):
really do think that what's next for them is a
chance to get right again. And that's saying something because
at three and one you have to be elated as
to where they are. I mean, who would have guessed it, honestly,
But you get two games to kind of get things right,

(00:40):
get things straight, and then move forward. I think that
game against the Chargers is big, and one would hope
at that point that they are five and one going
into that, but we shall see. But plenty to get
to and still kind of talk about what happened also
with the Rams. Although I think we're off of Eddie,
you tell me, are we off of eighty Mitchell? Watch? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Can you explain?

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I mean when I say watch, I don't mean like,
like as a negative towards his behavior. I'm saying, are
we off of the ady Mitchell is subject line A,
B and C. I don't think so, but we probably
should be, like are people tired of hearing about Adie
Mitchell at this point, I would probably assume so. But

(01:26):
either way, he was a central part of what took place.
You know, this is a I'm curious about this on
a day when we are coming off of Pacers media
day and there is plenty to talk about with the Pacers,
because there certainly was one comment from an established, longstanding

(01:49):
face of the franchise, Pacers, a comment made yesterday that
made people go, Hm, what somebody that would are used
to hearing at times, you know, fun comments about somebody
that's been a face of the franchise, and they made
a comment that just made you go, wait what now

(02:14):
that's how you feel. We'll get to that in just
a minute. But one of the things that's interesting with
the NFL, with the Pacers taking place, you know, getting
their season back on a way, training cable be here
before we know it, with Indiana and a bye week,
getting ready to go in against Oregon. You've got Purdue
in Illinois they played for that little cannon thing that

(02:35):
looks like a pencil sharpener. With all of that going on,
and yet today is one of the four I'm not
going to say national holidays for Eddie Garrison. But if
the oh, what is the let me ask you this. Okay,

(02:56):
it's a little bit. There's there are two different answers here.
There's one for Indianapolis and there's one for the general
sports fan on a national standpoint. Okay, but we are
doing an Indianapolis sports talk radio show, yep. So I
would like to know for the fans of Indianapolis, what

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is the if we were to give sports like weekends
or sports calendar moments, what is Christmas? I think we
can all agree Christmas is the most beloved holiday on
the calendar. So if that is the case, what is
the sporting event on the sports calendar that is Christmas

(03:37):
in Indiana?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Would you say it's start of the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I think that that's Let me ask you this. What's
the second most popular sport or excuse me holiday in
the American culture? If Christmas is number one, what's second?
Would it be Thanksgiving? New Year's or Fourth of July?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Ok?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Those are very good too. I also thought Thanksgiving, So Christmas.
I kind of feel like Thanksgiving is enjoyed because it's
the start of the holiday season, right, So it kind
of piggybacks with Christmas. Then you've got fourth of July.

(04:22):
What's the other one? He said, did you say Halloween?
I did not say Halloween. I said h New Year's Day. Yes, Okay,
So in the city of Indianapolis, I don't disagree with
you that the opening weekend of the NCAA tournament. I'm
going to go with this, and I'm going to show

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my age here, and I have a feeling you're going
to disagree. There's a reason I'm bringing this all up. Okay.
Those that text the program, whether it be at two
three nine ten seventy, that is, to the station text
or to my phone at five two three ninety two
eighty eight, can tell me this. The opening weekend of

(05:06):
the NCAA tournament, certainly in the American landscape, is the
krem de la creme. But I'll go to say this,
and I know that this is a little bit age
bias here. I think I'm going to show my age
because I think what I'm about to say does not
hold the same candle of relevance to people under thirty five.

(05:29):
But I'll say the opening week of the NCAA tournament
is basically Thanksgiving. And let me hear me out. Okay,
while it is enjoyed to the same level of Christmas,
and while it's a lot like Christmas because you're opening
the gifts of the opening round of those first two

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days of you know, bracketbusters and upsets and everything else
in basketball, wall to wall basketball. I mean, there's I
am not here to disagree on how awesome it is.
But when you live in Indianapolis and you've lived through
the winter months and then you finally get to Selection
Sunday and into the opening weekend of the NCAA tournament,

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it feels like the beginning of spring. So it feels
like you've turned the page into a new season. And
then your Christmas would be the month of May and
the Indy five hundred. So I would put the NCAA
Selection Sunday slash opening weekend of the tournament as Thanksgiving

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culminating with the end of the holiday season, meaning the
end of spring being the Indianapolis five hundred, which would
be Christmas.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I would agree with you, but I thought you said
of the national sports that's why I went with college
basketball over the five hundred. I just feel like that's
more of a local thing than it is nationally.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Sadly, that's probably true, considering it was once the biggest
sporting event like in the world. But yes, I don't
disagree with that. But so if if Thanksgiving slash, you know,
if that's the case, then what is what is the
fourth of July in Indianapolis? What is July fourth?

Speaker 4 (07:11):
What?

Speaker 1 (07:11):
What what sporting event that takes place for us is
on the paramount of July fourth?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Would that be week one? Is the NFL season?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I'll go with that. Or like opening day training camp
right in summertime? You know? Okay, where where does the
Pacers season opener fall into place? That's kind of like Halloween, right,
like you know, you're excited, Yeah, the kid and you
comes back. Okay, Now what about Saint Patrick's Day? Oh boy?

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Is that major League Baseball opening day?

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:43):
That's probably good. Yeah, that's good. So here's the reason
I bring it all up. Opening day of the Major
League Baseball playoffs? Is this Arbor Day?

Speaker 5 (07:52):
Excuse me?

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Is this Arbor Day? Or is this like a flag day?
It's it's it's one of those days. Or for example,
the holidays that you don't even realize are federal holidays
until you go to the bank, and you're like, why
is the bank closed? Labor That's right, it's labored, Yeah,
exactly right, Like you like oil day. You like it.
It's enjoyable, but you know it doesn't carry the same oomph.

(08:16):
The reason I ask all of that, Eddie, the reason
we did that whole exercise there. It is fascinating to me.
I like Major League baseball, and I am admittedly a
Major League Baseball, almost predominant post September major League Baseball fan.
I'm the first to admit I grew up with Major
League Baseball in an era where I think major League
baseball the peak, the peak era of Major League baseball

(08:40):
was probably nineteen fifty five to nineteen seventy five, somewhere
in there. You know, back when people would listen to
games on the radio and Mickey Mantle and you know
Jackie Robinson, and you know they were Ted Williams. They

(09:04):
were mythical figures because you heard about them on the radio,
but you only saw them on television once a week,
et cetera. And kids raced home to see the opening
game of the World Series and the sandlot and all
that kind of stuff, right, yep. But for me, baseball
is in large part a nostalgic childhood memory game, and
many of the memories that I have of it are

(09:26):
watching the Cincinnati Reds, who were good in my early
years of watching baseball. But I also do to baseball
cards and other such things. I mean, I knew every
player throughout Major League Baseball, and now, admittedly in the summer,
when I'm doing stuff with racing and I'm running around
and I'm outdoors and whatever else, I don't pay as

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close attention to it as I once did. It's a
little bit harder to do as well, because games are
all you know, teams are all on their own individual channels.
But with the playoffs now here, I do love it
because there is something about out the drama, the suspense,
and the air of a pitcher in a tight pitching
duel with the tying runner on second, and they scan

(10:11):
around the crowd and people are sitting there and you're
trying to figure out whether they're all huddled up because
they're chilly in the late September early October air, or
because it's so tense they can't stand to watch with
the drama unfolding before them. I love all of that.
I love it and it gets very exciting for me.
But I'm curious of this. We have tickets to give away.

(10:32):
Correct that is accurate? Yes for MGK right, yes, and
that concert is not until this coming summer, but we
have tickets to give away. I think one of the
things we could do is literally and I'm not going
to give away how we would do it, but to
try to gauge how much people are following or or

(10:53):
are aware of Major League Baseball in twenty twenty five,
I think it would be I think most people are
passerbys like myself. I'm admittedly somewhat. I mean, I'm more
of than a passerby fan, but not the in the wall.
Like you watch a Major League Baseball game any how

(11:14):
many days out of the summer. Ooh, I'd say most
you watch the whole game, or you just cat. You know,
you're walking past and you'll stop and see what the
score is. Depends depends on when they're playing, like if
they're out on the West Coast. I'm not staying I won't.
I mean, I'll probably stay up and watch the entire time.

(11:36):
The Cincinnati Reds. The Cincinnati Reds just played at one
hundred and eighty two game schedule, right, sixty two, Yeah,
one hundred and sixty two. Sorry, hundred and sixty two
game schedule. So if there are nine and I realized
there have been a couple of you know here or there.
So for the most part, they played roughly sixteen hundred
and twenty innings. I'll say more like sixteen hundred innings. Okay.

(11:57):
Of those sixteen hundred innings, how many would you say
that you saw it to pitch? Twelve hundred?

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Really? Yeah? Okay, I mean that's dedication. That's dedication for sure.
Don't do not tip your hand on anything regarding them,
because that's one of the things that we're gonna do
today as an exercise to gauge people's overall on how
big it is for them that the Major League Baseball
postseason is here, because I am intrigued by it. How

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big is it that the Major League Baseball postseason is here?

Speaker 6 (12:31):
Right?

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Did you watch any of the games last night?

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yes? Say, painfully? Watched both games last.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Night painfully because you were thinking you were Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Oh gosh, dude, that was nasty.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
So Tyreek Hill, his season and possibly his career could
be a jeopardy.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Right, I'd say, probably typically when you have a i'm
no doctor like and by the way it is is
wel freef agnoying us because he doesn't want to break
the bad news to you about there's only two are
not for it and.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Is that why he's no, he knows. Actually, Ralph, who
is interesting you asked that Eddie. I said to Ralph, hey,
would you be able to come on to talk about
some of these injuries and he said, well, I am
actually hiking to watch leaves changing in the basically out
in Colorado. He's in Colorado and he's near Aspen doing

(13:22):
hiking and I said, oh, I mean that'd be fabulous
and he said, yes, you know, and the best thing
about it is it is really good exercise and strengthening
for all four ankles. And I said, yeah, I totally agree.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
I don't think you said that, but yeah, typically when
you have those knee dislocations, based off of the research
that I've done, Jake, there's going to be multiple ligament
tears in there. So you're looking at your ACL, your MCL, PCL, LCL,
all those ligaments. That'll be interesting to see.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
What comes out today.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I know he was at the hospital overnight getting evaluated,
so it'll be interesting to see what the damage no
pun intended there is For Tyree Hill.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
The latest is this he was hospitalized overnight after dislocating
his left knee. Sources tell Adam Schefter that he'll tore
multiple ligaments in his knee, including his ACL and he
will have surgery later in the day. Oftentimes, if I'm
not mistaken, and I could be wrong in terms of

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this particular injury, but I think a lot of times
when you have an injury like that, and I don't
think this was the case with Tyre's Halliburton for example,
but they have to wait on the injury for the
swelling to go down before they can go in and
get everything done. But once they do that, then they

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can Once the swelling goes down, they can get in
there and they can get everything going. But yes, for
Tyreek Hill, who was admittedly pretty dynamic in that game
last night when he was healthy before the injury and
is an open space guy, that's what we talk about,
you know, the Colts for example, with their offense. I
think when you look at the Colts and the one
guy that you mentioned yesterday, when are we going to
start seeing more of him? Talking about Josh Downs. Yep,

(15:08):
Josh Downs can be in the space guy. Now, he
doesn't have necessarily the speed of a Tyreek Hill. Few do,
but that's you know, a little guy like that. And
I don't mean to diminish little, but I'm saying a
harder to track, smaller receiver in space guy is such
a dangerous weapon. And not that Miami was going anywhere

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this year, but that certainly changes things dynamically in terms
of anything they might have been able to do. The
team that also fascinates me is the New York Jets
because when I watched him and I watched New York,
I think I mentioned in Week one I watched the
Jets against Pittsburgh and they do have some fast, playmaking

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type guys on that offense. And Justin Fields is one
that I still can't figure out. You know, there are
certain quarterbacks in the NFL. Yesterday we talked Eddie about
how there are certain teams that you're like, are they good? Yeah,
there are certain quarterbacks that still you wonder like are
they good? Are they not good? And Justin Fields is
kind of in that category for me, I can't tell

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if he's good or not. I think he's pretty good.
I think he has the ability to put the ball
where it needs to go. I think he has the
ability to tuck and run. But at the same time,
having both of those working concurrently, or having it happen
with any consistency, is the challenge that you get into.

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And so it doesn't seem like, you know, Trevor Lawrence
is the same way, even though the Jags are three
and one in Tide with the Colts in the AFC South.
Lawrence is one you have talked about you're not as
high on, but you know the tools are there. But
when are they going to all finally come together concurrently?
You know, that's the question.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
I just don't think in the case of Justin Field,
I think there's been too much damage. It's Cartoushue there
from his time in Chicago and not really getting the
fair shake in Pittsburgh that that we know that he's
not a franchise guy. He's another one of these, you know,
stopgap quarterbacks. I don't think he's You think Fields is

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a stopgap quarterback.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, that's I can't totally disagree with you on that, right.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
And then Lawrence, I'm not even sure what he is.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
I think Lawrence is really good.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
I mean they're three and one, and he's not good.
You can't say he's not good. He's not good.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
You can't say that, Eddie. You can say that he's
not great. You can't say he's not good. Daniel Jones
is good. Okay, what's Daniel Jones? I'm gonna wake up
right now. Okay, we're gonna look this up right now.
Look up Daniel Jones so far this season? I will
look up Trevor Lawrence. Okay, Okay, Now, admittedly I'm I
will admit to a bias because Lawrence. But I'm not

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alone in this. Obviously. You know Trevor Lawrence coming out
of Clemson, I mean there was it was like, look,
this is the next Peyton Manning. He was the most
he was probably the most anticipated quarterback coming out of
college since Banning or Luck. Okay, through how many games
are we through? Are we doing RAD or QBR? Which
one do people care more about?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I don't think people really care about either?

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Okay, game one? What was Daniel Jones? Game one?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
We're going game by game here and just not through
the first four weeks, uh, two seventy two seventy five completion,
one touchdown, no picks, russian score, two russian touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Okay, you could have just he was one of what
he completed?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
How many passes seventy six percent, twenty two to twenty nine, okay,
twenty two to twenty nine for how many yards to
seventy two and a touch you said, right, yep, no pick?

Speaker 6 (18:49):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Trevor Lawrence was nineteen to thirty one for one hundred
and seventy eight with one touch one pick. Okay.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Next game twenty three to thirty four to three sixteen
a touchdown, pick, rushing touchdown, Okay.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Lawrence was twenty four forty two two seventy one, three touchdowns,
two picks.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Game three eighteen of twenty five to twenty eight a touchdown,
no rushing score, twenty of forty two twenty two for
a pick. And the last game last week, twenty four
thirty three to two sixty two touchdown, two picks.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Lawrence was twenty one of thirty one for one seventy
four and a touchdown. I think he's good. Again. Those
numbers are are not great for sure, but I also
think you have to look at what else is around him.
I don't think he gets great support, and it is
amazing they're three and one with those numbers, but there

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are a lot of I will tell you this. Let
me ask you this. If you were to survey other
general managers around the NFL right now and say you
could trade right now for one of these two quarterbacks,
how many would take Daniel Jones over Trevor Lawrence?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I think fifty to fifty.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Do you think so? I do? I think Lawrence. I
do think Lawrence. He had a really bad concussion last year,
and I do wonder about that. But so far this
year he is eighty four of one forty four for
eight hundred and forty five yards, five touchdowns, four picks.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, he's averaging six yards of completion, fifty eight percent
completion percentage.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Part of that, though, is who is he throwing to. Well,
he can't throw to Brian Thomas Junior. That's been He's
completed twelve his thirty two passes to him. Well again,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
They trade for Travis Hunter, and I don't know what's
going on with Travis Hunter. We could save that song
for when JP Shadick joins us.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Well, simply my point with Jacksonville, I think it's very
hard to assess a quarterback. I will admit to the
fact that I am a little bit biased, but I
think it's hard to assess a quarterback at that position.
But we can assess where the Colts are now coming
off of that game against the Los Hangeles Rams, and
what does need to improve against the Raiders. Steven Holder're
going to join us coming up one o'clock today. One

(21:06):
of the things that we look towards when you get
into Tuesday also is just the health report, you know,
fighting out and I do think the one thing that's
interesting is coming off that game against the Rams. There's
no like one major thing like the Tyreek Hill situation
that you look at for Indianapolis, But they are in
situation where those players that have been hurt, they're gonna

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have to take a long, hard look at what they do.
You know, do they continue with that? If if Jalen
Jones ain't walking through that door, if Kenny Moore ain't
walking through that door, do you continue with Xavier Howard?
Do you go with that? Or do you go out
and see what's out there? Do you look around and
shop it and see what's out there? You know that
those are things that they're going to have to answer

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towards The one good thing.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I should say is that the only real I mean,
they have Trey Tucker, who's for Las Vegas this week.
He's the one guy who can get down the field
and beat you. But you can you can help out
whomever's on the outside with the safety the Jacoby Myers
is primarily operating out of the slot. So if you
feel confident in you know, Mike Kilton, after one week
and hopefully another a week of preparation, he can get

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used to playing with all the guys in Rock Powers.
Those are your primary three guys you have to worry
about Vegas outside of Ashton Gent.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Ashton Genty is starting to play a little bit, any
I mean, he had one hundred and what thirty one yards,
But then again they caused him in multiple ways though
yeah two yeah, two catchers for two touchdowns. Yeah, you
know what I mean. I mean, they're they're using him
in any way they can right this from Chris, Hey, Jake,

(22:43):
I got your back. I was reading an article last
night about intelligence. One of the factors this doctor was
discussing was the four ankle discussion. He said, the more
astute and higher IQ people can understand the four ankle theory.
Yes see, thank you, Jake. Eddie is right. Lawrence sucks again.

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I'm not saying that. I'm not saying he's He's clearly
not going to be Peyton Manning. But I do think
that a lot that he still has a lot of gifts.
I just think Jacksonville is a tough situation, Jake. Christmas
would be the Indy five hundred a gift, a new
gift every year. Thanksgiving, the first weekend of the insitable
A tournament. Those who get full leave early. That's good Easter.

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I forgot about that. The Kentucky Derby people dress up
for hours. Fourth of July would be the MLB Playoffs.
If the fireworks are good, people will watch. It's not
bad from Charles, not bad at all, guys. I will
care about Major League Baseball when the White Sox move here.
These are all the texts at two, three, nine, ten,
seventy Jake. The NCAA Tournament is Halloween, it leads into

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the Masters, and Opening Day Baseball is Thanksgiving. With the
Indy five hundred being Christmas. I think the five hundred
being Christmas is pretty good analogy, pretty good one but
over the course of today, we are going to incorporate
the Major League Baseball playoffs into how you can show
your level of that word intelligence when it comes to
the sports calendar, and we'll see if we can get

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you tickets to Now is it no longer machine gun?
Kelly is like, did he have to go by MGK
of like kind of like how.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
You know it was Shay Gilders Alexander then it became sg.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
A well, but it's just is machine gun Kelly going
with the like sensitivity for you know, I mean, I
don't know, like, did did he just get uncomfortable with
machine gun? I think a machine gun is like al
Capone personally, but maybe it takes a different connotation.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
I don't know, but.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Either way, MGK ak to Colson Baker, tickets to give away?
What's the head aka Colson Baker? Yeah, right, that's the
name Coulson Baker, that's his real name. Yeah, that's I'd
also go by MGK. Then we have tickets give away
and we will do it with baseball. But when we
come back, there is something that took place in Indianapolis

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that has me absolutely thrilled. It's been a long time,
a long time since something in the city of Indianapolis
from a sports standpoint has excited me Like something that
I saw yesterday. I am so happy, so thrilled, so geeked,

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almost as much as a former Indianapolis person appears to
be thrilled and geeked and said something about his excitement
that made me go, what in the world that I
just hear? And we'll play that for you next. So
yesterday was media day for the Pacers and the other

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teams around the NBA. It's always a fun time to
look and see where some players are ending up. For example,
I'm sitting there scrolling social media and I see a
video of Kevin Love, who looks like he's getting ready
to star in some sort of nineteen thirties like gangster
film and he's in Utah. Now, oh, okay, what isn't

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that right?

Speaker 2 (26:14):
I had no idea what Kevin Love is playing.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, I mean he's one of those guys that Kevin
Love is like the Western Conference version of Al Horford.
I can't wait every time you think, like, isn't he
forty seven years old? And then he comes out and
has a thirteen and eight game and a key playoff
moment By the way, Al Horford just ain't a multi
year deal with the Golden State Warriors. How old is

(26:37):
he now?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I believe he's forty two.

Speaker 6 (26:44):
Thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
He'll be yeah, thirty nine, he'll be forty in June.
But I can't wait, Jake, because every year, at least
with T and T, they would test Charles Barkley's knowledge
on where are they at now and just put up
random players in and have him guess where they're at.
I mean, he's wrong like ninety nine percent of the time.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
And I understand that, you know, I mean, there are
a lot of things. I've never understood why they have
Barkley and Kenny Smith doing the NCAA tournament because it's
clear they don't watch any college basketball. And I understand
that they're doing NBA games over the course of the year,
but then they get into the Tournament's like what in
the world? But okay, so let's get into what did

(27:29):
take place for NBA Media Day in Milwaukee Miles Turner.
I thought Eddie made an interesting point yesterday. Do we
have the audio from Aaron Neismith when I asked him
about Miles Turner and getting the news that Miles Turner
was leaving and the way aaron Neismith asked that question.

(27:54):
We had aaron Ne Smith on yesterday and I asked him,
were you surprised about Miles Turner? And I believe he
said yes. And then I said, you know, when did
you find out about it? And he said, I can't
remember exactly how he worded it. Let me know if
we if we have that, Eddie, we do have it.
This is Aaron Nee Smith talking about Miles Turner's decision

(28:16):
to leave the Indiana Pacers.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:18):
Si, you know, to mention to the group, chat about
his decisions and why he made it.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
I'm also I'm just the type of guy that you know,
I wish him nothing but the best. He did well
he thought was right for him and his family. And
we'll see him when he played Milwaukee. You know, I'll
give him a big hug at half court. But you know,
once the game starts, you know, I got to win
the game.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Did he say what the reason was?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
A No, that's him, that's for him. That's for him
to speak all.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Which is a good answer, right, But he did say
he was surprised. Now, the reason that's interesting is because
we were led to believe when it happened that Miles
Turner didn't tell anybody, but he just now he admittedly
that group text that he mentioned that with Aaron NEI
Smith may have been well after he had already signed

(29:04):
and that announcement had come out. Probably was. But for
the in the week afterwards, you know, that was the
word of like Miles Turner, he changed his phone and
he hasn't talked to anybody and he's gone either way,
and I'm going to get into what I believe went
down here, but either way, Miles Turner was he throwing

(29:25):
a little shade at Indianapolis yesterday. Here's Miles Turner in Milwaukee.

Speaker 8 (29:29):
One thing I'm doing now is embracing change, you know,
embracing this, this this cool.

Speaker 6 (29:34):
Part of my career.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Man, I'm going heading to my prime.

Speaker 8 (29:36):
You know, I'm twenty nine years old, going to my
eleventh season, and you know, I'm am in a city
now that you know, wants to celebrate me. You know,
somewhere they didn't know. There's a great quote that says,
you know, go where you're celebrated, and I feel like
that's here, you know, I think that's people are excited
to have me here at people and nothing more welcoming.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
And you know, I'm excited for that. A city that's go
where you are celebrated, and I think my Turner was
celebrated here. I'm there for the vast majority of games
that are played, and I hear Miles Turner and hear
his name being chanted and other such things, and Turner's

(30:12):
Block and the fans that are up there, and you
know the love that is given and was given to
Miles Turner. I also am aware of the fact that
Miles Turner became kind of the immediate de facto blame

(30:33):
for a lot of what took place with Indiana, with
the Pacers. Turner's too soft, Turner got in foul trouble. Look,
there's three minutes left in Turner only has two rebounds.
And Miles Turner was really kind of the opposite of
Rick Smit's And what I mean by that Rick Smitz

(30:53):
was a guy that early in games you could tell
whether or not it was going to be a Rick
Smith's gamer, a non rixi Its game. And if he
missed his first shot or two and the ball just
was not dropping for him, then you knew that it
was not going to be a great day for rick
Smith's offensively, speaking and knowing Rick Smith's defensive liabilities, you

(31:18):
would say to yourself, if Smit's isn't giving them anything offensively,
then why is he out there? And there were games
with Turner. Turner was predominantly out there for what he
could create defensively. And I've always said Miles Turner's contribution
to the Pacers and what he did that was unique

(31:39):
more so than any other player on the roster, is
he was able to get rebounds and then facilitate their
quick transition by getting a quick outlet pass and then
trailing and when he would get to the play, if
in fact the play would have to be set up,
he was then coming down in position at the time

(32:00):
top of the key, which is where their offense ran
through anyway, and he was at sprinkler system spreading the
ball around from the top of the key, and it
worked perfectly. It worked perfectly. But there were games where
other teams would neutralize him in terms of what he
was trying to do defensively and keep him off the glass.
And then you would say to yourself, if Miles Turner

(32:21):
is not facilitating their offensive pace and playing defensively in
terms of getting rebounds or limiting what's taking place with
his rim protection. Then why is he out there? He's
the opposite Rick Smith's more often than not, though he
was out there as a difference maker within that franchise.
The style that he wanted to play, the pace that

(32:44):
he could play, the versatility with which he could play.
He was very, very good. But even with that, I'm
not saying it's at any fault of the Pacers. It's
a fact of business. Even at that, his name was
routinely linked in trade rumors. Now, not every trade rumor

(33:08):
was legitimate or was created by Indiana's front office, but
the fact that his name would come up eventually, for
Miles Turner, he had to hear, gosh, they're always wanting
to get rid of me. They're always wanting to get
rid of me, et cetera. And then he finds out
that he comes into work one day and they go,

(33:32):
did you hear what they just offered Deondre Ayton an
offer sheet? Now, I personally believe that you cannot rule
out the possibility. I'm not saying the probability, but you
can't rule out the possibility that Indiana made that offer
sheet to Phoenix to increase Phoenix's price and force Phoenix

(33:52):
into overpaying for DeAndre Ayton, because perhaps there were other
players that Indiana was targeting and they thought Phoenix would
be the comp petition, but they knew that Phoenix would
overpay for DeAndre Ayton. I'm not saying that that's probable,
but it is possible. But either way, Miles Turner knew
that while Miles Turner was healthy and Miles Turner was

(34:14):
getting ready to head into a contract period, that the
Pacers instead went out and offered to DeAndre Ayton, which
theoretically would have made Miles Turner expendable. And so Miles
Turner at that point thinks to himself, Fine, I'm not
going to forget that. I'm not gonna forget when my
time comes and you want me here, that there was

(34:34):
a time where you didn't. I'm not saying it makes
them right. I'm not saying it makes it justified, but
I'm saying I do from a human nature standpoint understand,
and athletes are a strange bird. Athletes motivate themselves in
different ways. Some guys motivate themselves so they can be
on a billboard in Times Square. Some guys motivate themselves
so that they can get their own signature shoe. Some

(34:57):
guys motivate themselves so they can try to date Rihanna,
and some athletes motivate themselves by creating. Michael Jordan made
up an entire story about le Bradford Smith talking trash
about him. Le Bradford Smith, who was barely hanging on
the Washington Wizard's roster bullets back then as a dynamic
guard out of Louisville, and le Bradford Smith is like,

(35:18):
what is he talking about? Jordan goes out, blasts him,
goes for forty or something like that in a big game,
and then afterwards says, oh, no, I completely made the
story up about le Bradford Smith. I just wanted the
media to talk about it so it would start to
drive me into the fact that I had reason to
beat this guy. And I think in Miles Turner's case,
he kept going back to that. He kept hearing the

(35:40):
DeAndre Ayton thing in his head, He kept hearing the
trade rumors in his head. He kept hearing the times
that fans got restless or called in or told people
on this radio show that we didn't know what we're
talking about because Miles Turner soft and I think he
just said, you know what, I need change of pace,
and he is. He allowed himself to be so driven

(36:01):
by that that it even came out in the press conference.
But he leaves a town that just did something that
literally had me awake at two thirty in the morning,
and I thought about it again at three forty eight,
and I could not be more excited. And I planned
part of my week around exhibiting my excitement and being
able to then exhibit for everyone else my excitement. I'll

(36:25):
let you know what that is. And again MGK tickets
to give away based on your baseball acumen on today's
show as well. What if you are driving in downtown
Indianapolis and you drive roughly. I don't mean you're driving

(36:48):
your car roughly, I mean approximately if you go south
on Central Central Avenue from the north side. So let's
say you're at like sixteenth and Central and you head south,
I think you can go south on Central you eventually
get to the overpass. That is, whether it's seventy or

(37:11):
sixty five now the way they've rerouted that, I always
get confused, But what is basically the old Spaghetti Bowl
right there. Likewise, if you are coming up mass Ave
and when you get to mass Ave, you take a
left on College, and as you go up College, there
is an overpass there as well, a big, huge one

(37:33):
now that would be seventy eastbound that is going right
over where you are. And if you were to close
your eyes and snap your fingers and say take me
back one hundred and twenty five years ago, let's say
you would be at that time in the African American

(37:53):
neighborhood of segregated Indianapolis. There were two predominantly black neighborhoods
in Indianapolis during segregation of Indianapolis. The first being that
area that I'm talking about on what basically was the
near north side back in those days, just to the
west of Lockerbie, and the other would be basically the

(38:23):
exit ramp of If you are on I sixty five
southbound coming into downtown and you get to that point
where you look on your left and Methodist Hospitals right there,
and you can exit right there and go down the
exit ramp to MLKA and West Street immediately to your right,

(38:43):
and underneath that exit ramp is where major Taylor was born,
and Major Taylor was the first African American world champion
in any sport that happened in cycling as a sprint
cyclist in the early twentieth century. Matter of fact, I
believe nineteen oh two was when he became a world champion.

(39:04):
He went to Paris to race there, and ironically enough,
part of how Major Taylor, who was born and raised
in Indianapolis, began to make money to facilitate his bicycle
racing career was he was a rubber salesman of the
rubber tires that would be used in bicycling, and that

(39:28):
rubber tire eventually would become more mainstream about four miles
from where he grew up at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway
within a decade of that, and automobile racing essentially overnight
rendered bicycle racing passe and irrelevant. But around that time
that Major Taylor's fame began to wane. Another black athlete

(39:53):
from Indianapolis born in the other neighborhood I'm talking about
essentially right there at Central and that over pass, there
was a housing development there and it is believed that
in that housing development was born Oscar Charleston, whom many
believe is one of the top five baseball players of
all time. Oscar Charleston, who was a Negro League player,

(40:15):
a dynamic home run hitter, also you know, a fielder.
He was a manager for many years. He served in
the United States military. He was a nineteen seventy six
inductee into the Baseball Hall of Fame and is one
of both of those men. But certainly Oscar Charleston is
one of the more forgotten, sadly pieces of Indianapolis sports

(40:40):
lore and baseball has a very very rich heritage in
this town, very rich heritage. And the Zoo on Washington
Street just west of downtown that initially that area where
the zoo is now the parking lot essentially of the zoo,
that was essentially the infield and then looking out towards
the outfield wall of Washington Park, which was where initially

(41:06):
the Indianapolis professional baseball teams played. The Indianapolis ABC's were
named for the American Beverage Corporation that's who Oscar Charleston
played for that won the Negro League championship in the
nineteen teens before he went on then to manage and
play for other franchises. The Indianapolis Clowns were also a

(41:28):
Negro League team which parlayed a little bit more into
like a Vaudevillian Savannah Bananas type team, and they began
playing at Perry Field later known as Victory Field later
known as Bush Stadium on Sixteenth Street.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Hank Aaron was he on the Indianapolis Colwns.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Correct, Hank Aaron's first baseball contract out of Mobile, Alabama
was with the Indianapolis Clowns. And there is Eddie, interestingly enough,
great debate as to whether or not he played games
in Indianapolis because they were a barnstorming team as a
result of the barnstorming aspect of it. There's no actual
because they didn't get newspaper coverage on the regular basis

(42:07):
back then. So he only played for like a half
a season before the Milwaukee Braves came and signed him away.
But so no one knows whether he played, like you know,
the eleven games that he played. Was he playing in Mobile,
Alabama as part of the barnstorming tour or was he
playing home games for the Clowns. That's always been up
for debate. But the Indianapolis Indians, which began in nineteen

(42:29):
oh two, and you know, have always been obviously a
part of the professional baseball in Indianapolis in terms of
its affiliate ship with Major League Baseball, those other two
obviously being part of the Negro League aspect. There was
a game that was played, for example, with the Indianapolis

(42:50):
Indians at that Washington Park that I'd mentioned against the
New York Yankees in the mid nineteen twenties and Babe
Ruth allegedly hit a home run in Washington Park. The
Indians have a rich heritage in Indianapolis in terms of
the baseball history, and I think for a lot of people,
baseball with the Indianapolis Indians has become somewhat of just

(43:11):
a summertime, you know tradition. You get together with your friends,
you go out there, you have a hot dog, you
have a beer, you watch the game. How many people
are keeping score in their scorebook or are aware of
the roster, or how many games behind the Red Wings
or the Toledo mud Hens the Indians are this year.
You know, I don't know the answer to that, but
I know that for most of us that grew up

(43:32):
in this town, the Indians are part of albeit perhaps
maybe occasionally, but they are part of the sports summer
calendar without question. And there are those, understandably so, that
have questioned whether or not the Indians should change their
name from Indians because the Cleveland Indians have done that.
But you know, the Cleveland Indians had a caricature type mascot.

(43:53):
The Indianapolis Indians have never had that, but they did
decide to do. I don't think anything because of the
name Indians, but the Indianapolis Indians decided and it's hard
to believe that the color scheme that they had, the
logo that they had had been around for over thirty years.
Now they have done a new look. They have decided
to freshen up and do a makeover. They went on

(44:16):
the Jenny Jones Show and it was an hour long
episode and you know the before and after incredible makeover.
The Indianapolis Indians have a new look for their uniforms.
They are kind of a navy blue with a red.
There is some gold in it. It features the black
letter I and then the Indian monogram. So they have
two different kinds of hats if you will. The letter

(44:38):
I pays tribute to the way and the script that
the team used back in nineteen oh two, but they
have uniforms that are very simplistic to just say I
in DPLs. They have the monogram script that pays tribute
back to the time when they very first began in
nineteen oh two. They also used logos that were part

(44:59):
of the the franchise in the nineteen forties and then
logos that were used in the nineteen sixties. So they
have a wide variety of different logos and looks, all
paying tribute to the different aspects of the Indianapolis Indians
in their place in this town. I love everything about it.
I love it because I think it is a clean look.

(45:21):
I love it because I love the color scheme of it.
I love it because it has a subtle tip of
the cap pardon the pun to the Native American culture
that is such a prominent and important part of our history.
And I love it because it has multiple logos and
looks that pay tribute to the multiple eras of Indianapolis Indians.
Baseball and whether you are somebody that was a baseball historian,

(45:44):
or whether you were somebody that was simply a member
of the Notthole Gang or somebody that went out to
watch Razor Shines or somebody that went out because you
love to see the Reds play an exhibition game against them.
I just think that it is a franchise that has
such an important part of the lore of people that
grew up in this town from not even a sports
culture as much as just a social culture of who

(46:06):
we are. But have you seen Eddie the looks themselves,
of the different hats, the different T shirts, and the
jerseys and uniforms they're gonna wear. Yeah, the one hat
that has like the Indie all in different like letters. Yes,
that one's saying that's the correct favorite one. That is
the monogram hat, right, I the the the I N

(46:27):
D Y. And they have obviously the other ones that
they've done where you know, with the city logo on
it and things like that. But this new uniform look,
this entire marketing look for the Indianapolis Indians, I say,
absolutely home run by the Indianapolis Indians. They've been great
home run hitters that have hit there, right, George Foster
hit there, Roger Maris hit for the Indianapolis Indians. But

(46:49):
this was a home run. It as a home run
for the marketing team and my buddy, Jeff Hester and
I are going over Friday and we're going to actually
lose a lot of our dignity in the gift shop.
I can simply tell you that I appreciate you sitting
with me for that history lesson. Steven Holder is going
to join us on the other side and we will
get into the Colts rehashing the Rams, getting ready now
for the Las Vegas Raiders. We'll do it with the

(47:11):
Holder next. What I'm telling you, Todd Meyer just walked
in and we're sitting here going over all of the
seven different hats that we like. For there are some
cool ones from the Indianapolis Indians. Even just the I
N DPLs on one of the jerseys is pretty awesome.
But they've got the interlock that I mean, yeah, it

(47:33):
kind of looks like an old Yankees thing with but
you know, with the I N D Y on it,
that's pretty awesome. But I think the just the straight
I hat is cool from back in those days, but
back in my day now. I asked Eddie, because I'm
such a nice guy that I was going to get
Eddie a hat. I said, Eddie, what hat do you?
What size hat do you wear? And what was your answer.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I actually don't know what size had Jacob. I thought
you said you wear like an eight and three eighths
or something. I don't know seven and five eighths. I
think now you're bigger than seven to five eights. I'm
telling you right now, you're bigger than your Your Chinn
is a seven and five eights. I'm going to refuse

(48:15):
from making any comments.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Did you get Steven? By the way, Steven Holder joins
us now, and I'm sure thrilled to be doing so.
Based on that segue, he is with ESPN dot com
Colt's getting sept for the Las Vegas Raiders. Steven, I'll
begin with this, did you happen to notice you're a
fashionable guy? I would say that in the sixty two
point six percent of the times that I have seen
you outside of a work setting, you are wearing a

(48:38):
baseball cap of some sort. Have you seen the Indianapolis
Indians redesigned uniforms?

Speaker 6 (48:45):
No? I haven't. Well, in a minute, I saw a
tweet referencing it, but I don't know if I saw
the actual uniform. But now that you mention it, I
got to google it.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Okay, I'm so I'm going to send you during the
court because I can multitask like there's nobody who's nobody's business.

Speaker 6 (49:00):
Well, I'm on the computer. Okay, let's let's let's look.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Okay, so let's go go to go to the Indians
in the apols, Indians dot com or whatnot. And then
if you go to obviously under shot.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
Well, I see the hat. Okay, I see the hat?
Is it is it? Is it the one with the
I N d Y you were just mentioning?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Correct, there's that, and then there's one with the old
and you know script kind of block eye from the
nineteen o two season. I personally believe both these to
be very clean looking hats. As the kids would say
your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (49:32):
Yeah, I think I So I see the one you're
I see the the interlocking I N d Y one,
not seeing the the retro one you're talking about. But
I do like this, and I think I see the
one you're talking about. Is it? What's the what was
the second one?

Speaker 1 (49:51):
By the way, Okay, the first one, if you go
under just so that they have on their caps themselves, Okay,
they have the I N d Y which is the
new one, but then they have an alternate hat that
they're also wearing, which is a navy blue hat, and
then the white letter I on there is uh it

(50:12):
says Navy Road Clean and it's just it's like an Yeah. Yeah,
that's the that is the script that is cool. Yeah,
that's the script I that they had in nineteen oh
two when they first came out.

Speaker 6 (50:26):
I see it. Yeah, I see the difference. I like them.
I do. I might have to get one. I don't.
I don't love the the nineteen forty seven one, I
guess is that is that what we're talking about?

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Forty seven is the brand? Yeah, I mean, so you
don't love the singular eyes?

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (50:42):
Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Do you like the interlocking I n D Y right?

Speaker 6 (50:47):
Yeah, they updated one. It's kind of cool. I like it. Yeah, yeah,
I do. That's cool. Oh good, h good advice there.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I mean, you're a fashionable guy, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (50:58):
Hey, listen, I looks and when you're bald, it is
not a lot. You don't have a lot of options. Okay,
it's either bald or you know, your hairstyle is your hat. Okay,
that's all you got, man, So you know, work with me.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Do you, by the way, you are a fan of
Wu Tang clan?

Speaker 6 (51:15):
Right? Oh, big, big fan? I mean I remember when
they came out because that's of age, because I'm old.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
So let me ask you this. If Wu Tang clan
is is Brady or Manning or is you know Jordan, right,
then what is tribe called Quest? Is it? Is it Lebron?
Is it? Is it Mahomes? I mean, is tribe called
Quest considered? For somebody who is a fan of Wu
Tang clan, is tribe called Quest considered in the same breath?

Speaker 6 (51:45):
So I think, yeah, I think they are. If you
are a true, true and tribe like hip hop fan,
like you came up with hip hop, then you have
the proper appreciation for a tribe called Quest. However, I
would say not everyone does. So I almost think you
almost have to put them in like the Joe Burrow conversation.

(52:07):
It's like there might be like, oh, yeah, they're really good,
but you know because some people weren't. Really they didn't
have maybe the same commercial success that tribe.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
I'm about to do that. How about is day Last
Soul ranking this?

Speaker 6 (52:23):
They're they're kind of in there somewhere like they're Matthew Stafford,
right like they're like they're they're right on the fringe
of the Hall of Fame. You know, maybe should probably
be considered, you know, I think they're Matthew Stafford, you know,
to go with the current reference for the Colts. Fancy.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I'm writing these down so that we can do some
re entries here for the rest of the show, okay,
before we get to the game. Also, Steven Opine on this,
Eddie and I were discussing this earlier, and I'm not
saying there's a right or wrong on this. I'm curious
your answer of the other thirty one general manage well
thirty of the other thirty general managers in the NFL
not in Indy or Jacksonville. Well, if they needed a

(53:02):
quarterback and they had their choice between Daniel Jones and
Trevor Lawrence, what would the split down be in terms
of how many each GM would select?

Speaker 6 (53:13):
Are we taking money out of the equation? Yes, all right,
that is a very interesting question because I think a
year ago you don't want either guy, and now that
is a much different conversation. I haven't seen a lot
of Trevor Lawrence this year, so I hesitate to say,

(53:35):
but he's got the longer track record, right, there's still
I think this school of thought that like, we need
to see more of Daniel Jones. I'm not talking about
my opinion. I'm just saying that's probably the prevailing opinion
out there. We're talking about four games, right, so the
longer track record. Even though I readily admit that Trevor

(53:57):
Lawrence has a lot of convincing to do out there,
I really think that's still true, and has his low
moments probably outnumber his highs in a lot of cases.
But I think he's had more success over the more
ups over the course of his career than perhaps Daniel
Jones recently. So I don't know. I leaned slightly to

(54:19):
Trevor Lawrence, but it's not a slam dunk.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I thought Daniel Jones showed me a lot on Sunday,
and let me tell you why. When he threw an
interception on the first drive, and that really was his
first hiccup so far as a cult, I was curious
how he would respond, and he looked to me like
a quarterback that came back out, unlike Ady Mitchell. He

(54:43):
looked like a quarterback that came out in a series
after his mistake and was able to immediately goldfish it
and put it behind him. Your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
I think that's true, and I think it sort of
dovetails with something I've noticed about him and weeks, which
is just a greater confidence that he's been playing with.
I think we even talked about this. He looks like
a guy. He does not look timid out there. Okay,
he looks in charge. He's stepping in into his throat,

(55:14):
stepping up in the pocket. He looks in control. All
those things that that maybe you could question about him
in New York and and maybe maybe it is sort
of tucked in with with that whole way of thinking,
his ability to take something off and then come back
and say we got this. And I thought he did
a good job with that. I would agree. I don't

(55:36):
think he really was the issue on Sunday. I mean,
he really wasn't. I don't think anybody's saying that, but
I don't. I don't have any issue with how he played.
I think that that first interception is on him. Uh
he under threw the ball, you know, severely under through it.
It's his fault, and that is what it is. But
I mean, you know, what are we talking about. I mean,
he went three games is out of turnover, right, so

(55:59):
it it was bound to happen, and it's inevitable. So
I think, look for all, I don't think I feel
any differently about the Colts offense after that game, Nor
do I feel any differently about Daniel Jones.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Adie Mitchell and his blunders Steven. You know, it wasn't once,
it was twice. I know he's a young player. I
know that the you know, publicly the Colts said all
the right things, and I mean none of this as
an attack in any way, shape or form on the
person of ad Mitchell. But the reality is that Adie Mitchell,

(56:36):
when he came out of college, we were all told
there were warning flags, red flags, and I don't think
it was red flags like this guy was, you know,
a law breaking knucklehead just as much as right. He
just wasn't necessarily a I'm all in on what I've
got to do to win guy. It seemed like that
all showed itself on Sunday. What is your assessment, not

(56:58):
only of what we saw, whether or not that was
the anomaly or just the one thing that needed to
get out of his system and then how he goes
from here.

Speaker 6 (57:07):
No, I think the questions you just pose are totally fair.
You know, what I saw is a guy who is
a little lave fair and I don't I don't know.
I'm a big proponent. I said this during the game.
I'm going to say it here. I'm a big proponent
of the thinking that you play, how you practice right,

(57:30):
and the things that you do in practice you will
continue to do in the game. So that's why practice
really matters. And coaches repeat this too. And so if
you were at training camp at all this year, you
saw from Ady Mitchell every time he'd make a big play,
there was this big, grand celebration and it was, you know,
he's throwing the ball up in the air, he's hyping

(57:52):
up the crowd and it's cute, right, like those things.
People gravitate to that and they're like, oh, that's cool,
great play, and you know, gets other teammates involved. That's
good to some degree. However, However, I really feel like
he didn't say yes or no or a confirmer denied this,
But I'm looking at that play where he fumbles at

(58:12):
the goal line, and what I saw was a guy
who couldn't wait to celebrate. He's trying to I think
that's that's my perception. Okay, I don't know. I'm not
in his head, but it certainly looked like he's trying
to reach the ball out to hold it over his
head or hold it out whatever, some sort of expression, right,
because he looks back at the defenders and he's cleared them,

(58:33):
so he's not trying to reach the ball over the
goal line, like, oh my god, I don't want to
get tackled. I think he's trying to celebrate. And it's
it is exactly what he does every freaking time he
makes a play in practice. So there's my theory is like,
be serious in practice and maybe you can have a
serious performance on Sunday. That's that's what I that's what

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I take away from this. And it's it's sad because
I like ad. He's a good kid. He's not, you know,
some sort of serial killer. I don't know what the
character quote unquote characters concerns were about him. I don't
think they were about his character. I think they were
just about maturity, Right, can you get this kid to
be a serious football player?

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Right?

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Exactly?

Speaker 6 (59:16):
And I think those questions are still fair.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
What about X Clan, By the way, where do you
put them with tribe called quest de la soul x Clans?
Where's X clan rank?

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Uh? What?

Speaker 6 (59:29):
I'm a big X Clan fan. I don't. I don't
even really remember.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Their Songbalize grand Verbaliza. What time is it you remember
that song?

Speaker 6 (59:38):
Yeah? Yeah, a little bit. They were, I would say
they are what were we comparing them to Nippy Gerard
wants a playoff game? Underrated players? Mitchell un, I mean

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we could do this all day, right, Okay? I like
Craig who's third base? Third base was underrated too. Also,
by the way, third base, I f'ly not mistaken featured
one of the first nas versus on one of their songs.
No one remembers this, but if you're a real thing,

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you know this. I think he was like, I don't know,
seventeen or something at the time, and I would say, yeah,
third base. I don't know about like the whole catalog,
but I know a handful.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Of songs and I liked them third base. As we've
gone over before, Steven, now we're in circular conversation. I
guess because you're the one that sent me the fabulous
video of third Base confessed c Hammer put a hit
out on him. After I told you that third Base
came along with Big Daddy Kane and performed Rap City
Live at my high school. And I was in high school,
which I'm one of the proudest most I.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
Don't know which story is more amazing than performing at
North Central or the fact that c Hammer put a
hit out on them. I don't know which story is
more amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Big Big Daddy Kane. Who are looking at for Big
Daddy Kane?

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
Okay, Big Daddy Kane definitely underrated. I would I would put.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Him Warren Is he Warren Moon?

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
That's great because I think, like you know, he was
before his time, Warren Moon, you know the four wide
you know, wide open offense, like he could have played.
He could have played in today's league for sure. Yeah,
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I'm still thinking on third base, like who is our
is third base? Third base is Lamar Jackson? Right is
third base Lamar Jackson?

Speaker 6 (01:01:36):
Well, what's the parallel? I'm thinking we were really overthinking this,
by the way, I love it. I know, uh yeah,
so all right here, Lamar Jackson. Here's the thing, Like
we know he's incredible talent, but like, why can't he
break through? Like same with everybody figured out these guys

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are good something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Listen, third Bay Lamar Jackson. When he came out of college,
people said he needed to be a receiver because he
was a dynamic athlete, right third base. Where they came
out of Rockhurst Queens, people said that they didn't they
couldn't be rappers because they were like awkward looking, goofy
white guys. Right.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
I mean that's true that that that apps that actually happened.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
So there you go.

Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
That's why I talking about, Hey, why you got to
talk these things out?

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Steven, how are the Colts from a health standpoint? And
by that, let's face or let's focus on the defensive backfield,
you know, Exavier Howard in particular. You have to wonder
how many times they can go back to that. Well, look,
we just got done. We being myself and others on
on the Colts beat. We just got done Grill and

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lou Ana rumo about this, and he did not offer
anything to suggest that they're making a change there. In fact,
I walked away from it thinking, huh, he's gonna stick
with him isn't he. So I don't know what the
plan is, but I would tell you what I would do.
I would play anybody else. You got to get him

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off the field, you have to.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
I mean the Los Angeles Rams basically said, oh, you're
you're really doing this and they said, okay, Puka, We're
gonna throw you the ball every single play and he
couldn't stop them. They so they put they put Mooney
Ward on DeVante Adams like on purpose. He stuck with
him all day. You might notice this if you have

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watched the game and the idea there was. They both have,
you know, sort of about the same amount of targets
coming into that game. And my thinking is that they
didn't say this, but my thinking is, and Joel Erickson
from The Star kind of, you know, sort of brought
this up to me. I think he may be onto something.
DeVante Adams is the guy who can beat you over

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the top and get down the field. Puka works the
sideline and in the middle of the field underneath and
then get some run after the catch. So you saw that, right.
They maximize that. They got Howard you know, across them
over a couple of times, and then you see Pooka
Nkula wide open, you know, heading across the middle and

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someone else making the tackle or Howard tackling him from behind.
And they can do that all day. Take those little twelve,
ten and twelve yard chunks and sometimes Pooka is so
good after the catch he turns them into twenty and
twenty five yard chunks. And so anyhow, I guess help
the health question there. I don't think Kenny Moore actually

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matters that much. He certainly matters, for sure, but I'm
talking about in terms of Howard. I don't know that
it matters because you still have him as one of
the top three corners. He doesn't play in the slot anymore,
does so I don't I think this is a problem
that we have to bombard them with this question every
day until they just are honest about him and say

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we're not going to bench him because because I think
it's absolutely malpractice. Right now, sorry for not answering the question,
but I had to get that out there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
The doc where's the doc rack?

Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
That is interesting?

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
I would say, who is who is a great quarterback
that was on their way to greatness, that had a
devastating injury Eddie helped me out here. That's that's it,
because the doc, in my opinion, was on his way
to absolute greatness and then he had an injury to
his larynx and was never the same.

Speaker 6 (01:05:35):
So okay, well here I can actually answer that. Carson Palmer.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Okay, that's not bad. That's not bad.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
Carson Palmer. I had somebody, I had somebody in the
front office tell me years ago when Carson was still playing,
like you know what, he had the aco and he
was never the same because he was scared in the pocket.
He kind of got like that that Tom Brady hit.
I think, if I'm not mistaken, you know where you
step up in the pocket and they take out your knee,

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the front knee, plant leg and so he was always
a bit timid after that. So anyway, that's a very
long insclamation, but Carson Palmer comes to mind.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Yeah, it was still pretty good, by the way is.
By the way is. And I think this guy is
still available, Steven, and I know that he's older, but
he can't be any worse in some of the areas
that they have need. Is Stefan Gilmour a possibility to
return or has he been picked up?

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
I believe he's still out there. I believe people have
been asking me about him. I listen. He's one of
the best acquisitions Chris has ever made. It sounds crazy,
but like the guy was really good. It just didn't
matter because that season was such a disaster. Right, But
Stefan Gilmore, he's a real deal. I don't know. It's

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been a long time, certainly that was three years ago,
but I don't disagree with you. I think he's still
a better option than what they're currently getting. I think
the question is going to be we're now. I believe
we're four weeks in, So does Jalen Jones come back
this week? And and can he play immediately? I don't

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know that answer. I'm not sure where he's at. He
would be an immediate upgrade, and maybe they're just holding
out until he comes back. But frankly, I think anybody
would be would be a better option right now. I mean,
why not just put you know, I don't know, Makai
Blackman out there, or you know, somebody I don't know.
I don't understand why there's been this hesitance to do that.

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One thing I will say about lou Anoumo is that
one of the one of the criticisms I guess of
him in Cincinnati was that sometimes he can be a
little bit stubborn. And you know, he's probably earned that
right as a as a veteran coach who's very experienced.
But but I don't know, maybe we're seeing an example

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of that here. One player they really like, and numerous
people have told me they really think this guy's going
to be a player. Jonathan Edwards, the undrafted free agent.
I think he played a few snaps on Sunday, but
they've been reluctant to put him out there. And I
thought he had some good moments in camp and the preseason,
and Chris Ballard loves him. He raved about him, and

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I know the coaches like him too. I would put
him out there. Who knows how much worse can it get?
I mean, looking the coolest setting records against you? What else?
What are we talking about here?

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Steved are even sure that Jalen Jones would start or
get snaps right away when he does come back, because
as soon as they signed Zavi and Aarrod, he was
listening as the starter over Jilen Jones, even though Jones
had been there through OTA's mini camp and the start
of training camp.

Speaker 6 (01:08:43):
It's a great question. It's totally fair. It's a great question,
and that goes to what I'm talking about. Right. Lou
An Rumo was very he was very adamant about this,
like he wanted Xavian Howard. He in fact, they had
to workout with him back in May, and the only
reason Balor didn't sign him was because the thinking was,
let's let's take a longer look at some of these

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young guys before we go that route, and so they
wanted to give those guys an opportunity in training camp
and the preseason, so they did that and then after
it was over with an Arumo was still like, yep,
I want them, So you're right. I think it's a
great question. Of course, a lot has happened since they
signed him, and most of it not good. So all
I can tell you is every team is watching the

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film and all they see is this guy getting destroyed
by top receivers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Digital underground seven. Who's digital underground?

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
Oh well, I mean and when you say digital underground,
I think what you really have to what you really
have to do, or what you're really saying is you know,
we're talking about shock g right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
More or less true?

Speaker 6 (01:09:55):
Who who? Who? Is also of the underrated You're like
all the underrated rappers today, you're giving them their flowers.
I appreciate that, I do. Yeah, I mean, by the way,
SoC G didn't he like bring us, didn't he bring
Tupac to life? And didn't either one that introduced us
to Tupac is underground.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Right, I mean, well, I mean here's here's what's funny.

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
Part of the underground.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
I was never and this is what's interesting. I was
never a big Tupac guy, even though most of though,
although I shouldn't say that, I kind of go, I'm
weird in the fact that I go like fifty percent
New York guys and fifty percent West Coast guys, right,
But part of it is and follow me here. The

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true like the hip hop and the rap stuff that
that I really got into was when I was in
I was in high school, so late eighties, early nineties,
so starting with NWA into the doc into the ones
I just mentioned then once in Tupac really I think
hit his stride right when I was in college. And
when you're in college earlier, absorbed in your own world,

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and it's kind of hard to know what's coming out
that's new. Does that make sense?

Speaker 6 (01:11:05):
Mm hmm, yeah, that's fair. So yeah, Tupac would have
been like I think his first album was early nineties sometime.
But anyway, Tupac was was part of Digital Underground. Shak
G I think passed away. I don't remember when, but
like in the last couple of years, h shot Gi
was was the guy, uh you know, the humpty things
that he had, the whole like alternate personalities, you know,

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the what do you call it? The uh you know
he had he had, He had an alter ego. I
guess you would say, anyhow, quarterback for for Digital Underground.
I like this, let's think, well, how about Doug Williams,
because you know what a pioneer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
That's good.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
Here's a pioneer, I mean, right, like like Doug Williams.
There's no Doug Williams. There's probably no like Lamar Jackson,
and there's no shock G.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
There's no Tupac, And like Doug Williams kind of without
people remembering it introduced kind of brought in I think
Steve Young, right, and then Steve Young kind of often
did his own thing and whatever else. Right, that's not bad.

Speaker 6 (01:12:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it. So the way to
do this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Okay, here's the last thing. And I ask you this
every once in a while, Steven, I want you to
tell me this ten minutes from now, when you are,
when you've hung up the phone, you're going to say
to yourself, I can't believe that moron talked to me
about hip hop stuff and did not ask me about
blank from the Colts, which is the obvious thing that
needs to be addressed, and we didn't get to it.

Speaker 6 (01:12:29):
What was it? All right, let's end on a good note.
I think in terms of the Colts at least, I
think Liatu Latsi probably the best game I've seen him play.
I think they got that one right now. He's no
Jared Verse, who they also could have drafted. That dude
was a monster. Okay, he is a monster. Go ask

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Bernard Raymond about him right now. But that being said,
they have the player they have, and I do think
Latu might be turning a corner.

Speaker 9 (01:13:00):
He is.

Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
If you look at his advanced stats right now, he
ranks up there with the best in the league. And
I think he's on a great trajectory right now, and
if they can get him going teams are going to
have to start making some decisions about whether they double him,
and that should free up other guys.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
And when he turns that corner, he does so with
incredible lean.

Speaker 6 (01:13:22):
Just so you know, yeah, I mean, that's the stuff
you can't teach. You know, that's that's true. Stuff you
can't teach.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
That's true. That's true. He can he can the side correct.

Speaker 6 (01:13:35):
That's what we were told Backley.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
All Right, Steven, We're gonna play these great hip hop
legends and pioneers for the rest of the show. How's that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:43):
I love it?

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
I mean you full credit of course. Right, all right,
Steven ESPN dot com. We will continue watching. Do you
think that we're gonna see Waiver Wire stuff with the
defensive backs?

Speaker 6 (01:13:55):
Hmm, I'm not. I'm not predicting that. No, not predicting
that right now, Okaye?

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Did they pick up a linebacker yesterday from the Dallas
practice squad? Did I see that?

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
I cannot? I think I missed that. I should not
this right, Wait a minute. I took a red eye yesterday,
so I was like unconscious.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
You know, if they'd picked up one of the ghetto
boys out of Houston, then yes, we would have been
able to definitively know.

Speaker 6 (01:14:23):
That, right, we would be all over also.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Very underrated by the way, Okay, although the Getta Boys
are probably pop, they're probably legitimately rated. I'm looking right
here to see about the practice squad per Aeron Wilson.
They said he said that yesterday Culture signing linebacker Buddy
Johnson the Cowboys practice squad. He was a former fourth
round pickle dealers.

Speaker 6 (01:14:47):
Well, I mean they have no linebackers, so that tracks yes, Yeah,
I don't know much about them to be completely honest,
but I think that is there. That is probably their
weakest position, to be completely honest with you, So makes sense.
I mean, you guys Aira Franklin and who right, And
I think the truth is the guys who they have

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tried there that no one has really stuck, you know,
so they're definitely having some issues there. I agree with.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
That, all right, Steven. Appreciate the time. By the way,
Tupac I Am Told first appeared on What you Like
in terms of Digital Underground. So there you go. You
are correct.

Speaker 6 (01:15:25):
Oh, I love the song.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
There you go, there you go, all right, appreciate it.
Steven joining us from ESPN dot com covered a lot
of ground there, both Digital under and regular and the
Colts including on. We talked about Daniel Jones. We talked
about the defensive backfield, We talked about the linebackers. We
talked about Leatu Latu, and then we talked about the DC.

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We talked about Big Daddy Kane. We talked about Digital Underground,
We talked about third base, talked about tribe called quest
Anything you want to add, Eddie none? All right, when
we come back, we do have tickets to give away, okay,
and we're gonna do this by testing the acumen. You've

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got to be a baseball fan. If you want tickets
to see MGK in concert, then I want to find out.
This is our way to find out. And I'm by
no means is this designed to make you feel uncomfortable
or insecure, because it is an interesting phenomenon that I
believe about Major League Baseball. So I'm going to try

(01:16:32):
to illuminate a point here, but I need audience participation.
You don't necessarily have to answer correctly, but just call
it in and humor me. Two three, nine, ten seventy
is the telephone number and we'll do it next. Okay.
We temporarily paused our Stephen Holder Jake Query Rundown hip

(01:16:54):
hop acts in order to play for you MGK formerly
known as Machine Gun Call. He will be in concert
coming up. It is actually this upcoming summer. Do we
have the specifics on the time and place for this?
Eddie Garrison June twentieth at the rear Wolf Music Center. Okay,
so we have tickets to give away, and I simply

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want to open the narrative, and I said, you know,
be somewhat of a baseball fan if you're calling in.
Who do we have lined up here? Eddie? We will
start with Jeff, how many tickets do we have to
give away? By the way, A pair?

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
A pair?

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Hi, Jeff? How are you?

Speaker 6 (01:17:32):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
Doing good?

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
How are you good? Jeff? You sound like you're a
fun loving guy. Have you listened to the show before?

Speaker 10 (01:17:39):
I love the show, love the show. I work construction,
but usually in the truck. Okay, and listen to you
guys about this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Time, Jeff. Have you called the show before?

Speaker 11 (01:17:49):
I had you guys?

Speaker 10 (01:17:50):
Get me Kentucky one year on the numbers, Dame Final
the final four things. Okay, you guys, the whole bracket.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
And you're you're in the construction field them. That's good.
You're in the construction field, you said, yeah, did you
did we give you a title within the company. I
wish you're you're the director of cement. How's that sounds?
That sound okay?

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:18:19):
That works?

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Okay? Uh, Jeff, how old a fella are you?

Speaker 11 (01:18:23):
Thirty eight?

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Thirty eight year old? And on a one to ten scale, Jeff,
what is your level of baseball fandom?

Speaker 10 (01:18:32):
I'll give it a Thollard five? Okay, but I can
answer with educated guests.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Okay, that's good. I mean, and there's and I would
like to again exhibit we we plan on harming no
people nor animals in this exhibition We're going to do here. Okay,
but I'm going to ask you the name of a
team in Major League Baseball, and I want you to
tell me, first off, if they are or are not
in the host season. Okay, are you ready? I'm gonna

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name a team, and then I want you to tell me, Jeff,
no looking, whether they are or or not in the postseason.
The New York Mets. No, Okay, that is correcting or
he's correcting that. Okay. Now, I don't know if you
want me I'm gonna give you another team, and I
want you to tell me who they face in the
first round. Are you ready?

Speaker 12 (01:19:26):
Okay, don't sound so confident or excited, Jeff, uh the
San Diego Padres.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Okay. How about this.

Speaker 10 (01:19:41):
You're gonna kill me the Mets?

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
No, no, no, you're right, the Mets are not you're
doing okay?

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Okay, how about this, Jeff, I'm gonna name two teams, okay,
one of which has an opening by and the other
of which has games to play. Okay, the Los Angeles
Dodgers and the Seattle Mariners. One of those teams earned
a BUYE and the other one has an opening round
series to play. Which one has the BUYE?

Speaker 10 (01:20:10):
I'm gonna go with the Dodgers has a lot.

Speaker 11 (01:20:14):
Yeah, I figure that one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
That was a trick question, Jeff. I'm telling you, though, Man,
here's the thing, and I appreciate you playing along so well. Listen.
Here's the reason I bring it up, Jeff, is because
I'm not indicting you at all. I think this is
where major League Baseball is today. I'm a baseball fan.
You know you're I can tell you. I mean, you're
a sports fan. You follow sports you know, but it

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just baseball has and it's it's not really a fault
of theirs, but it used to be. You know, you
had the two divisional winners, they played for the pennant,
but a boom, there you go, easy peasy, And now,
like a lot of sports, it's just become there is
so much going on that it gets harder to determine
and figure out and remember who's playing where Eddie, go

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ahead and let's send Jeff. Jeff. I appreciate your participation,
and so as a result, we are going to send
you on to the MGK concert. Let's go one more though,
just to see someone's Now this is no tickets here,
but this audience participation. Who do we have else on
the line? Chuck, Chuck? How are you?

Speaker 11 (01:21:18):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
I'm good, Chuck. You sound like a nice fella. Are
you native to the area.

Speaker 11 (01:21:24):
I am actually from Southern Indiana, but I've been here
for about twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Okay, what part of southern Indiana?

Speaker 11 (01:21:29):
Hanover?

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Oh? Really?

Speaker 6 (01:21:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Did you ever go and get yourself a burger at Hinkles?

Speaker 11 (01:21:35):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Did you ever get a late night sandwich? Made it? Pride?
Right there? In Hannover?

Speaker 11 (01:21:40):
I worked at Pride. So, yeah, I got fired from Pride.
How about that?

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
You got fired for what?

Speaker 9 (01:21:46):
Well?

Speaker 11 (01:21:46):
I was sick one night and like the owners like
had this store and another store, and I went in
and I was sick and didn't really do a whole lot,
and so the owners were there that night, and.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
So I got fired.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Yeah, but they're nice people, right, I'm sure.

Speaker 11 (01:21:59):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Okay, Now, what years were you working at Pride? Just
out of curiosity, it.

Speaker 11 (01:22:04):
Would have been like nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety I.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Got news for you, Chuck. Nineteen ninety one. I was
a senior in high school. And then my buddies Matt Jackline,
Mike Killery, justin Powers all up and they went to
Hanover with my sister went to Hanover. I'd go down
to visit late night. We'd go into Pride get for
those that don't know, it's a grocery store. We'd get
go to the delicatessen. They'd make a sandwich for us.
You may, Chuck, have made me a sandwich back in
the day.

Speaker 11 (01:22:27):
Sandwich.

Speaker 6 (01:22:28):
That's pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
And I didn't even get sick from it, right, Yeah, exactly,
all right, Chuck, quick question how big a baseball fan?
Are you? A scale of one to ten.

Speaker 11 (01:22:38):
I'm probably a close I'm a pretty big baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Okay, I'm gonna give you We're gonna do the same.
I'm gonna give you two teams. First off, you tell
me which one does not have a buye? Okay, Toronto
Blue Jays and Cleveland Guardians. Which one does not have
a bye?

Speaker 11 (01:22:53):
The Guardians do not have a buye?

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
That is correct. Okay. Now can you tell me who
the San Diego Padres open up against the Cubs? Okay,
the Dodgers and Reds are playing. They will face who
the winner will face.

Speaker 11 (01:23:09):
Who they will face the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
But okay, the Red Sox and Yankees renew their rivalry.
The winner will advance to play what team?

Speaker 11 (01:23:28):
I think it's get.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
The brain on, Chuck, All right, Chuck. And then lastly,
that means that the Guardians and Tigers will The winner
of that will advance to face who Seattle? Look at that? Now,
who's your team? Chuck? Are you a Reds fan?

Speaker 8 (01:23:44):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
If you're from Hanover, I'm not.

Speaker 11 (01:23:45):
I'm not a Red fan. I'm a Dodgers fan.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
How'd you become a Dodgers fan?

Speaker 11 (01:23:50):
Because the first time I watched baseball in nineteen eighty three,
they were they win the playoffs. I remember watching them
and was watching Fernando and Pedro Guerrero and all those guys. Yeah, yeah,
when I was little. So that's the that's who I
that's who I liked.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
And I'm trying to think here. Eighty three obviously the
Orioles won the World Series? Was it Philly that they
had beaten the World Did the Dodgers loose to to
Philly for the Pennant?

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:24:12):
They did?

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Yeah, that's right. Okay, it's amazing, how you know? I mean,
like boom, I can you know? Eighty four? Like, oh yeah,
Tigers and Podreys.

Speaker 11 (01:24:19):
And exactly yeah, on the same way. But I can't
tell you I had Tottelling who won last year?

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
But correct the eighties, like I know, Lance Parrish was
the starting catcher for the Tigers in eighty two. Like,
what the hell's wrong with me? All right, Chuck? I
appreciate your participation and certainly hope that you enjoy the playoffs.
Eddie and I both kind of like the Reds. But
have you been to Dodger Stadium, been to Schevezervine.

Speaker 11 (01:24:39):
Chuck, I've actually been to all the stadiums.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
I just finished.

Speaker 11 (01:24:42):
I just finished it off. This weekend, I went to
Seattle and went to Sacramento to see the the A's
place play there this year.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
How was the A's experience by the way, in Sacto.

Speaker 11 (01:24:52):
It's it's not great. Let's it's it's not a great stadium.
It's it's it's pretty terrible. Really, it's just it's better.
It may be better than Oakland Stadium, maybe because it's
a little newer, but it's not it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Good well Oakland Stadium. Listen. I mean that's like, you know,
at one point they had raw pooh floating through. I mean,
you know what I mean. So that's a low bar.
All right, Chuck, I appreciate it. Man, enjoy the games.

Speaker 11 (01:25:17):
Thanks, yep, all.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Right, Chuck.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
By the way, I can smell the cigar smoke. Eddie,
why Chuck are the same person. He's a Dodgers fan,
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Uh, Eddie White just dropped off something. We'll let you
know what it is. Very cool.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Uh, We'll let you know about that. And then who
did you say we have coming up two o'clock. By
the way, new clock is Dustin to Pierrac.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Dust into Pirac talk a little Pacers after yesterday's and
interesting comments from Myles Turner. We'll get to that next.
You know, I'm curious with this song, okay, the wild
Side that is sampled there at the beginning. Would that
be and is such a cool riff or beat whatever

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you want to call it, Would it be as commonly
ripped off if it had not been such an iconic
song in its own right to begin with, Like if
that exact same beat had just gone on to some
song that was you know, cut number seven on the
back of a you know, Steely Dan track, would other

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artists so many of them, especially in the hip hop realm,
have started sampling it. Or is it because Wildside itself
was such an iconic song that that's how it got
ripped off? Speaking of ripped off, Miles Turner apparently felt
ripped off during the time that he was in Indiana.
And it's interesting because this is a player that was

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an integral part of the Pacers for a very long time,
I think, and you know what, I always thought he
was the good soldier here. He did a lot for
the community, he did a lot for fans. He had
Turner's block. He did philanthropic things, He always said the
right things, and he was a very important part of

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Indiana's playing identity, the pace in which Indiana played a
year ago. Yes, Tyrese Haliburton's ability to run the ball
up the floor is a big part of that. And yes,
the ability for an Aaron Nei Smith certainly obi toppin
in the open floor is a big part of that.
But also a big part of that was simply Miles

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Turner and his ability to start transition one way through
rim protection and then immediately facilitate to break and then
come back. And when he was the trailer on that break,
you know on the high post, he's able to hit
a three or then set up their offense. He was
very important in those things. But there were times where,

(01:27:50):
yes he would other teams would immediately eradicate him off
of the glass and you felt like he was not
of impact. And those particular games are when people would
get really down on him, and you heard it on
this radio station or wherever, people just like you know,
calling in. You know, Miles Turner's soft, Miles Turner soft
charm and soft, He's invisible. The same thing was said

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of Rick Smith's when he would not have great offensive
games because he was a liability a little bit defensively,
was Rick Smith. So if his shot wasn't going, it
was like, why is he out there? He's too soft?
And I think Turner started to feel and hear that
narrative a lot. And while he when he was good,
he was outstanding and he was beloved, and I think
that deep down people here the reason they're hurt that

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he left is because deep down they do love him
and kind of always thought that there would be no
reason that he would ever leave. You know, he was
he was your safety school, right. He was the school
that like, I'm going to apply to see if i
can get in the University of Chicago, and I'm going
to apply to Notre Dame, but then I'm probably going
to end up at like one of the state universities

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because that's my safety school. And I think with Myles Turner,
there was the assumption amongst fans he was never going anywhere.
And yesterday aaron Ne Smith came on. I asked, aaron Nesmith,
were you surprised about Miles Turner? And I can't remember.
He said he was surprised, right, Neie Smith said he
was surprised by it. But then he said, I said, well,
you know, what did he say? And he said, well,
he was on a group text. Here's what Aaron Nei

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Smith yesterday had to say about the departure of Miles Turner.

Speaker 7 (01:29:21):
Yeah, he said, you know, to mention to the group
chat about his decision and why he made it. I'm
also I'm just the type of guy that you know,
I wish him nothing but the best. He did well
he thought was right for him and his family. And
we'll see him when he played Milwaukee. You know, I'll
give him a big hug at half court. But you know,
once the game starts, you know, I got to win
the game.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Did he say what the reason was? That's him, that's
for him, that's for him to speak all now. He
did say though he was surprised by it. Miles Turner
met yesterday with the media in Milwaukee, and this is
what he had to say about his decision to becoming
a Buck.

Speaker 8 (01:29:58):
One thing I'm doing now is embracing change, you know,
embracing this. This this cool part of my career. Man,
I'm going heading to my prime. You know, twenty nine
years old, going to my eleventh season. And you know,
I'm am in a city now that you know, wants
to celebrate me, you know, somewhere they didn't know. There's
a great quote that says, you know, go where you're celebrated,
And I feel like that's here, you know, And I
think that's people are excited to have me here at

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people nothing but welcoming, and you know, I excited for
the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Now, what's interesting there is it sounds like he's like
throwing some sort of shade at Indianapolis. So now I'm
finally in a place where people celebrate me. Now I'm
finally in a place where people appreciate me. Now I'm
finally in a place where people love me. I kind
of get it. Though, athletes oftentimes drive themselves through their

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own created disrespect. Michael Jordan was the king of it,
Michael Jordan. They make documentaries about how Michael Jordan was
this brilliant and I'm not saying Miles Turners Michael Jordan,
but I'm saying athletes have different ways to fuel themselves.
And I think Miles Turner spent a career here hearing

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his name constantly in trade rumors. That's not to say
the Pacers were the ones creating those rumors, but Miles
Turner spent a career here constantly being asked the question
as to whether or not he was on the block.
Miles Turner spent his career here constantly hearing people saying
that he needed to be upgraded at he's too soft.
I'm not saying the people paying his paycheck, but Miles

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Turner also had the people paying his paycheck go out
and give an offer sheet to DeAndre Ayton, which would
you sert Miles Turner, And Miles Turner I think allowed
that to fuel him, kept that in the back of
his mind, and then when it came down to it,
when the negotiation tables were turned and the Pacer said

(01:31:56):
here's our offer, he said, I'm actually going to take
another one, and they said, well, we didn't. You didn't
let us know that that was on the table, And
he said kind of like you didn't let me know
that DeAndre Ayton was either. And I think that I'm
not saying he's right nor wrong, but I do understand it,
and I think that's what fueled him. And now he's
off to Milwaukee. But there was more than just that.

(01:32:19):
That took place yesterday in terms of media Day for
the NBA, our friend from the Indianapolis Star, Dustin joins us, next,
is it just my day? Las Soul? Heck, yeah, let's go,
Chris Farcus and I went out immediately to Castleton and
bought like entire wardrobes like these dudes, great stuff plugs one, two,

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and three tight with third base who made sure they
did not get the gas face. In case you're wondering,
Miles Turner kind of gave the gas face to Indiana
yesterday with his comments regarding, you know, being appreciated or
being celebrated by a city, and that was why he
was happy to be in Milwaukee. But as for the

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Pacers themselves, his old team, Tyrie's Halliburton yesterday opened up
about his recovery from his injury, talking about just the
mental aspect of that, and it is easy to forget
that for the Pacers. This is a year that you
go in coming off of that finals run and you
got to kind of just keep things going until Haliburton

(01:33:27):
comes back and then you find out who Turner's replacement
will be long term. There was a lot to discuss
yesterday media Day for the Pacers joining us now from
The Indianapolis Star. He is the Pacers beat writer Dustin Apirick,
who joins us on the show. Dustin, when you walked
away yesterday, the overwhelming sentiment you had about this Pacers
team or their mindset was what but pretty determined.

Speaker 13 (01:33:50):
And I think, you know, you could obviously see that
these guys who have just been through it, and you know,
I think they're somewhat bothered by the idea of Itople
think they're going to take a gap year or something
that they're just not going to be relevant, uh, you
know for a season, And I think they just sort
of shrub that up because I mean, I think at
this point, number one, they're used to being underestimated in.

Speaker 11 (01:34:10):
The first place.

Speaker 13 (01:34:11):
Uh, and too, it's just you're just not like there's
not a world in which you get Andrew m Arden,
Aaroni Smith and Pascal Siakam and TJ McCollums take it easy.
So you know, I think these guys do it as okay,
like we're we're still going to play the way that
we play. We're still we're still going to have this standard,
We're still going to exhaust people, We're still going to
wear them out. Uh, and people still can't hang with
the way we play. I think that's still their view

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of it. And it's pretty sort of simple a matter
of fact at this point because they know sort of
how well it worked last year. I mean, I think
they're they're aware there's going to be complications. I mean,
you know that you take away a guy with not
not only who has that much production as Taris Haliburton,
but also creates the kind of gravity. I mean, it
is going to change the geometry of the game to
not have somebody out there that's commanding, you know, two

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bodies to defend him so much. I mean, they're they're
going to have to function differently and they know that,
and I don't know if they realize what kind of
complication is coming there, but they're also just not bothered
by it because they've been through enough. I mean, this
is just this is a team that's decorated now. You know,
you see obviously the big difference in your role players,
in particular your net Mark Jernie Smith. You know, from
a few years ago when they were just getting into

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this and now there are guys that have seen everything
that have seen in the NBA Finals in the Eastern
Conference Finals, they just seem very everything kind of seems
to O had this group all of a sudden, They've
just been through so much, and she's like, yeah, you know,
like nobody thinks you can win, but we'll be fine
because we're gonna work everybody. I mean, that just seems
to be how they look at it right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
Now, Dustin, I'm going to ask you to play along
with one of my hypotheticals here you ready, I love that.

Speaker 13 (01:35:38):
That's my favorite part about.

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
Doing the show.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Go on, So you are native to Pittsburgh if I'm
not mistaken, correct or the area that's correct?

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
Okay, cas out east yet?

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Okay, so let's say for Christmas this year, you're going
to go to Pittsburgh, but the Pacers have a game
on the twenty sixth of December. You don't want to
have to rush yourself back per se. So you're like,
you know what, I'm just going to go ahead right
now in October over and kind of write a skeleton
version of the game report, and I'll change the names

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here and there, but so so in it, you start
your story by saying against the Celtics, Indiana was led
in rebounding by their starting center. Blank, whose name do
you put.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
In it's gonna be leading in rebounding.

Speaker 6 (01:36:23):
It's going to be Isaiah Jackson. So there's there's.

Speaker 13 (01:36:26):
Kind of like there's like a presumption in that hypothetical.
I do think, I mean, there's a chance Ja Huff
is going to start. But if Jay Huff starts, I
don't think he's gonna leave them in rebounding. You know,
I think you know, basically you're gonna have to lean
on to grab your rebounds in that case. I mean,
because I you know, Jay is I think he's got
at about the same rate war Low or as far
as rebound rate than moles Turner did and Miles Still

(01:36:48):
I think, okay, the past I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Put it to this, do you believe that Jackson? Do
you believe Jackson will be their starting center because they
more covet rebounding or do you think Huff will be
their starting center because they more covet what he can
do offensively?

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
Right?

Speaker 13 (01:37:02):
It is such a coin flip for me, but I
do at this point, if you said, right now, I
would say Jay Huff because of what he can do offensively.
But I mean, I could be you know, absolutely totally
wrong on that. I know Carlo's idea. Jackson has been
working with the one so far. I think the fact
that he's up to two forty is a big deal,
very into the sea of well, that looks like he says,

(01:37:24):
he feels like he's doing it pretty well, and he's
still got the same amount of bounce for the most part.
He says he has some days where he feels like
he doesn't. But I'm very interested. But that looks like
live and so, I mean, my my opinion, that could
change very quickly. I mean, they've got fanjam on Sunday.
I might look at the world totally different after that.
If he's if he's every bit as fast and jumps
every bit as high at two forty as he did

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at too ten. Uh, you know that that does change
some things. But I do think jays of the floor matters,
and you know, I could see some ups and downs
as far as is concerned, and I think they might
need that spacing. That might be something that's mission critical
for them. And in the fact that he can block
shots also matters. Rebounding could be an issue and and

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Jackson might you know, might have an edge there there's
a good chance he has an edge there. But the
hubstibility to shoot, I think is it is gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Matter one where I think's be a key part of the.

Speaker 13 (01:38:15):
Rotation because you can give you a kick and puffs
three point option similar to what Turner did, and he's
the only one that's proven his start in that record.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Do you believe that the Pacers believe their starting center
that will start alongside Tyre's Halliburton once Haliburton's back is
on the current roster?

Speaker 13 (01:38:34):
I mean, I don't believe that, So I would have
a hard time thinking that they believe that. I mean,
I think you've got to swing bigger than what's there.
I think these guys are good. I think they're effective.
I mean, I don't think there's anything bad about them necessarily.
But you know, I mean, you made a championship run
with a guy who was gonna hit what one hundred
fifty three pointers last year? You know, I mean, and

(01:38:55):
and is your all time leaguing Uh you know, shot
blocker Uh, you know was shooting about three three nine
percent on a pretty high volume. You know, if that's
what it takes to get to a championship, And I
don't know that you have that, I'll be interested to see.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:39:07):
Certainly ja Huff could prove me wrong. I think Jackson
could prove me wrong. But I feel like, if you know,
you've seen kind of a template for what you have
to have to really make it work and take at
the distance, I don't you have something that that's at
that level on this group right now, And I think
you're gonna have to look for that in the offseason somehow.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
What what overwhelmingly jumped out at you yesterday?

Speaker 13 (01:39:29):
I think, I mean maybe that I wasn't overwhelmed by anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
I think it was just the.

Speaker 13 (01:39:35):
Like not quiet confidence, but it was just like they
definitely had this view of like, yeah, we're back, Okay, Yeah,
we're just gonna do this thing again.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:39:42):
It just seemed they were so matter of fact, they
were so you know, like they were so used to it,
and it was almost like they had been I think,
just such a through such a media country, through the finals,
that this was just kind of like nothing to them.
And I guess it felt like part of a build
up the last couple of years of you know, two
seasons goes like Okay, we're making the playoffs, this year,
there's like and last year was okay, like we think

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would be a championship team. Like they had something to
say in that regard of this group as like, Okay,
we're back. We no ties out where we find, you know,
because we know we're doing like we we know how
to win with you know, we've proven how to win.
We've proven we can do this and proving our way work.
We don't know what we're going to end up. We're
not going to even guess to what that's going to be,
but you know, like we're going to be better than
you think. You know, That's all we'll say. That just

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sort of seemed like it was. It was very sort
of like quick.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
They didn't dive into a lot.

Speaker 13 (01:40:28):
I mean, I really tried to get them going on
strategy and how it changes and how the offense is
going to be and what you've got to get used
to and can you still play at the same pace
and you're going to be as wide open and it
was like yeah, I mean we all got to do more,
you know, but like we set a standard and we
can hit that standard. And it was everything just seemed
very matter of fact and in terms of how they
approach yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
You know, it's funny, Dustin, there was I was thinking
about the pacers yesterday and there's one player and I'm
curious if you can decipher who I'm talking about. There
was one player that popped in them I had and
I thought to myself, you know, we talk about other
players in the same area and whether or not you

(01:41:08):
know how those guys are going to take advantage of
this new opportunity for minutes, and then it dawned on me.
There's a third in that mix that we saw very
sparingly a year ago, and there have been flashes and
while still young, this is a player that I'm curious
if they break into rotation this year, and if so,

(01:41:30):
if that's like the found twenty dollars bill in your
pocket when you're doing your laundry. What player am I
talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
You're talking about Johnny.

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
Furthy Bingo, Bingo?

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
Yeah, am I right?

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:41:42):
No, I mean yeah, no, I agree, I mean I
think you know, I I'm gonna be very interested to see.
So I wrote about this in like sort of a
five questions thing of you know what that young ringing
wing rotation looked like in the second unit and obviously,
I think it's pretty much been declared. All right, who
four of your five stars are? And you're you know
two to four on you know on the starting lineup

(01:42:03):
are you know Master and that Nie Smith and Sakham
and so you know you've got ob obviously penciled into
be your starting you know, your backup power forward. But
for those you know, two spots for shooting gardens small forward,
you've got three, you know, three pretty intriguing options between
Ben Shephard, Jars Walker and Johnny Furfys. Shepherd obviously is
uh is the guy that you know is the constant.

(01:42:26):
You know, you know what Ben Shepherd is going to
be for better and for worse. And you know he's
not gonna put a massive numbers that because he's gonna
shoot open threes, pass the ball, otherwise, run the floor hard.
Uh defend. I mean he's not necessarily a lockdown defender,
but he's gonna he's going to be aggressive, and he's
going to get after people, and he's going to be
willing to warning the pressure and so you know you
can trust what you're gonna get at Ben Shepherd. You know,
Rick Carlo loves Ben Shephard, so if those who are

(01:42:48):
not impressed by Ben Shephard don't even get into this
discussion now you know who's going to play, Get over
it now. But you know, between Walker and Furfey, it's
it's some very interesting stuff. Obviously, they have they have
different skill sets, they have different diferent potentials also, and
I think there's both of them I think have something
that was kind of a calling card for them going
into the draft. You haven't necessarily seen yet.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:43:09):
Furfey, I think it was being an outside shooter and
he's just been he's been just okay at that. And
Walker You're expect him to be this, you know, top
line defender, and he's been just okay at that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
But they've grown really in other ways.

Speaker 13 (01:43:19):
I mean, Walker's really grown as a shooter. You know,
you're you're seeing some like court vision from him.

Speaker 11 (01:43:24):
And that sort of thing.

Speaker 13 (01:43:24):
There's some impressive stuff there. But Furfey, I think it's
played tougher than a lot of people expected. He's he's
been a willing defender, a good rebounder, runs really hard,
is physical, finishes through contact. You've seen him grow. You know,
he's way more muscled up because he had it at
least twenty pounds. You know during last season he might
have added more since I mean, like he he turned
into you know, he's he's heading towards the crown man's

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body pretty quick. You know, that was something that happened,
I think fast for him where you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
Know you came in.

Speaker 13 (01:43:51):
Obviously he's babyface to start with, but he looked skinny
when they got him. He doesn't look skinny now, you know.
I mean he's got some real man muscle now. And
you saw that show up with the dunk in Summer League.
I mean you saw some really good grown man moments
in Vegas in a couple of games he played. So yeah, no,
I think, you know, I think he starts as the
clear eleventh guy, and you know, one guy gets hurt

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and he's in the rotation, you know, someplace. You know,
whether it's basically man, I think anything and anybody gets
hurt really along the line other than center, I think
then you know basically there's going to be moving parts
that lead to Johnny Furfrey getting rotation minutes. So you know, again,
and it's possible if Jerris Walker doesn't you know, take
substantial improvements, it's possible that Furfey could rip the you know, backup,

(01:44:34):
small forward job right away from You.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
Know what's interesting is Dustin del Pirek is our guest
talking about the Indiana Pacers. We had Aaron Neismith on yesterday, Dustin,
and you know who am I to tell Aaron Nesmith
that he's wrong?

Speaker 6 (01:44:47):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
And maybe I had read it wrong. He was pretty
adamant to us yesterday that Indiana is going to continue
to play at the same pace, and that they are
going to run the ball and they're going to be
the same you know, kind of frantic nature that they
were before. I thought for certain I had heard, whether
it be Chad by Cannon or Rick Carlisle, basically indicate

(01:45:08):
that no, this year they're going to focus a little
bit more on isolation and then once Halliburton's back, they
picked the pace back up again. Did I hear that incorrectly?

Speaker 13 (01:45:19):
You heard it mostly correctly. I think where what Aaron?
You know, at the end of the day, they're both right.
I mean I think basically what they're both sort of
saying is when it gets into the half court, I
mean basically like they're going to look for full court
opportunities the same way they're going to sprint, you know,
like wingers are going to sprint the floor. They're going
to try to get down as fast as they can.
You know, a big thing is just trying to get

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into a situation where you're playing advantage basketball where you've
got more guys down the floor than they do, and
you know they've got a guard, a two on one.
You know, even if it's off of made baskets, they're
still going to attack the way that they've attacked. You know,
basically they're going to they're going to push off of
defensive rebounds, they're going to certainly push off the turnovers,
and they're going to push off on made baskets and
try to catch people celebrating if you can run it back.

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What's different in terms of how they're going to function is, uh,
you know, once you get into the half court, it's
going to be harder for the ball to pop the
same way that it did with Haliburton. I think the
big difference I think is Halliburton's gravity that you lose
and you know, the extent to which teams willing to
put two guys on him, and so you know, basically
you blitz them, you get the ball out of Haliburton's hand,

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but then it pops, you know, then it starts moving
and it finds the open man, and that there is
an open man because you dedicated two guys to Halliburt
and so you know, then you're scrambling, then you're in rotation,
then you're running on closed outs and there's a there's
an open guy to find.

Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
And I think they'll be in.

Speaker 13 (01:46:36):
That situation less they're going to have to break down
defenses off the dribble, uh, those sorts of things, because
you have you know, Siakama. I think it is still
going to command some double teams, but you know, basically
when they're trying to double you know, Halliburton early in
the possession, you know, around half court, uh, and you
get the ball out of his hands and it starts moving,
it's going to find somebody. Whereas I think that's going
to be a little bit harder to achieve, and you're

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gonna have to find different ways of careering an open man,
of building gravity, of you know, getting the ball in
the paint. All those kinds of things are gonna have
to be executed a little bit differently than they've been doing.
So I think that's kind of that. That's at least
what I've pieced together from talking to all of them.
But chat did say that it's going to be more
of an execution game, particularly in the half court. But
I don't think they're going to stop looking for, you know,

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sort of full court opportunities, transition opportunities. I don't think
they're going to pass those up or dowve back because
I think they still feel like they have the finishers,
they have the people that can run. They think they're
conditioned enough, they believe that it's wearing teams down is still.

Speaker 6 (01:47:31):
A big part of what they do.

Speaker 13 (01:47:33):
But I think there's once it gets into half court,
you know, the geometry will be different by virtue of
not having a guy in there that averages twenty points tenniss.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
More to prove Jaris Walker, Bennett Matheren.

Speaker 13 (01:47:45):
Jeez, I'm gonna say Bennett maathm because he's in a
contract year. But I mean, obviously that's they are, you know,
they are who they are. I've called him the shiny
objects in the past because there's a lottery picks and there.
Everybody is always going to look at them in terms
of what they achieve and it's you know, like it's
wild that basically, you know, so many other guys on
the team have overachieved, uh, you know, for what they

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were expected, how they were brought in, whether they were
drafted or where they were they were you know, included
as a you know, throw in in their trade sort
of like Newsmith was, and then how how they sort
of overcheeved and what was expected. But mather and Walker
are top ten picks, and I think people will just
always view them as just they are huge assets and
they have to they have to produce, and that's that's true.
They do, and so I do think Mathern has achieved more.

(01:48:30):
But but they have to decide what they're gonna do
with him, and it's gonna be very very and we've
talked about it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
So many times in the past.

Speaker 13 (01:48:37):
I'm very interested to see what Mathurin's going to be like,
just because you know it's there. There is gonna be
temptation for him to just play the way he plays.
And you know, I think because you know, there's gonna
be times when they need that. There's many times when
they just need somebody to go get a bucket, and
they're gonna be like Okay, well that's got to drive
into three people. Well, Hecker said, that's the best thing
we've got going with right now, So let him go.

(01:48:57):
And so you're wondering, I was, is he going to
develop into what they need him to him to be
long term or he's gonna take a step back this year,
even if he puts up better numbers, because he's just
gonna rely on his basic and stick to plane one
on one. But I mean, I think Walker obviously has
less of an achievement. You know, Matherin has proven he
can score. He has lived up to that billing, and

(01:49:18):
you know, but it's just a question of ken he
It's not a question of canny score. It's question of
canny fit with Walker, Like you still need to see
the proof of production. So I guess probably it's it's
more important for master room because it's more immediate. And
you know, I mean, he could he could average twenty
a game and still end up on somebody else's roster
next year. I think that's certainly possible. You know, Walker, though,

(01:49:38):
I think needs so maybe I'm changing my mind in
the middle of this answer, but you know, Walker needs
to prove that he belongs in the league. He needs
to prove that he can be a productive NBA player,
and so you know you're seeing signs of it, but
you've got to see you know, real I think, measurable
stuff this.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
Year, Dustin, do you think Rick Carlisle's stronger suit as
a coach is a recognizing where a team needs to
be adjusted and making the adjustments for the team, or
be recognizing where a team has weakness and getting guys

(01:50:14):
to buy into what it is that he's needing them
to do and getting them to adjust to him.

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
It's a great question.

Speaker 13 (01:50:23):
Because you've seen evidence of them being really good at both.
You know, I mean, I think you know, it's it's
really impressive what he's done. You know, defensively, when you
think about how easy it was to score on the
Indiana Pacers up until December of twenty twenty three, you know,
from you know, basically the first two months of that
year and you're giving up one hundred and fifty points.
You know, it's like, so it's really impressive that they've got,

(01:50:46):
you know, bought into this idea of Okay, you know
it's got to be pressure, you know, that's going to
be that's got to be the way that they achieve
this and get right is just to lean into pressure.
And you know you had to you know, I guess
you had guys that had the physical skills for that.
But you know still to say we're gonna do something
nobody else is doing, Like even though you know, we've
been horrendous on defense, so what we're going to do

(01:51:08):
is something no one else is even attempting. Uh, it's
pretty well, I think. I mean, I'm going to guess,
remind me exactly how you worked the first thing?

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
It was?

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
Do you think it is Rick Carlisle saying Gosh, I've
got all of these pieces that that most would put
together a perfect triangle, and then you know, realizing and
recognizing that, or is it saying, gosh, these guys look
like they might be triangular pieces, but I want them
to be a circle. So I'm going to get them

(01:51:38):
to buy into what it is that I need them
to be.

Speaker 13 (01:51:43):
And that's I still win the first one. I mean,
I think in part just because I haven't seen the
master and thing come together yet and it's been his
project the entire time. But you know, I but he's
good at both. I mean, he's very very good at
both and I'm trying to like even like some of
those things really sort of leave together, you know if

(01:52:03):
you think about it, you know, like over time, it's
just he has he has looked at this group and said, Okay,
you know, like what what what is this that I have?
And men's to to sort of look outside the box
to figure that out in terms of saying, Okay, you know,
like this team has to like I'm gonna I this

(01:52:23):
Tyre's Halliburton has got to be you know, my sort
of north star on this and and playing his way
and piecing everything around it so that it works and
we're gonna play a different way than anybody else is
doing that, and then looking and saying, Okay, I got
a defensive problem. I don't know how to fix it,
so okay, I'm going to lean into this. This is
the idea of pressure because I don't have enough size,
So I'm just going to try to outwork people. And

(01:52:44):
that's how it's gonna work.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
I mean, he's I don't know, he's very good at.

Speaker 13 (01:52:47):
Reading sort of I guess booth sides of that equation
of where he is deficient or where he has more
than you know, or where he has a lot of
pieces and just folds them into over our convision.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
Lastly, dustin this if you look at it, Okay, I
want you to tell me the guy from last season
to this that is going to have the biggest differential
in terms of their scoring average, either because it's going
to uptick or because their role is different now and
it's going to dip.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
Hmm. I think.

Speaker 13 (01:53:19):
I mean, I think just har is going to go
up because he has to score, you know. I mean,
I don't think he's going to average twenty, but I
think he's going to average you know, sixteen seventeen. In
that range. I don't think you're gonna have a bigger
swing than seven points. But I think this as as
the trigger guy, as the guy who's going to be
a picking a ball handler a lot, you know, as
a guy who's going to play a lot with this

(01:53:41):
uh that the ball in his hands, I think, you know,
Nemhart will be required to score more like I think,
I think there won't be any way around it. Where
last year he was able to sort of still facilitate
even though he was looking to deal them, you know,
falling into that. Okay, let's let's see Halliburton in.

Speaker 6 (01:53:58):
Up roll in this.

Speaker 13 (01:54:00):
I think it's just like he he has to put
the ball in the bucket, he has to pick shots.
You know it's going to be fired of him that
the still goal attempts go up. And so by that nature,
I think I'm back again. I don't you know, I
don't know if you're to look at and say, well, nemmarks,
it's not gonna app thirty or twenty five or anything
like that, but you know, like he'll be It'll be
seventeen eighteen. I don't think anybody else will have a
seven points line.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
Dustin appreciate it as always. The next thing on the
docket here for the Pacers before we get into preseason
that you will be writing about will be what, ah.

Speaker 13 (01:54:30):
Man, we got practice practice, Now we've got you know,
Stan Jam is Saturday. As far as it's like you're asking,
like what's the next.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
Big development correct or the next just the next event?

Speaker 13 (01:54:41):
Yeah, next event. I mean, I guess it's Fan Jam
on Sunday. You know, there's practice all week stuff. We're
just coming out of that. We're going to going to
write about James Wiseman, the one right and some of
that stuff. But we see, we see actually real basketball,
even though it's in a squad scrimmage on Friday, and
then you know it's one week from the day he
had a preseason game.

Speaker 1 (01:54:57):
It's pretty well all right with a Florida Uh not
only obviously your time today, but look forward to talking
to you over the course of your hard to believe
it's here, but it is, Dustin, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Absolute things go the chicks, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
Dustin Dopirek joining us at Indianapolis Star. Thank you, Eddie listen.
I I can't believe it's here. To be honest with you,
like the time is just boom right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
The kaya that you guys didn't really touch on that
I'm fascinated to. C jke is what does TJ McConnell's
role look like?

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
Also good? Yeah, to this point, is.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
He gonna have to play more than twenty minutes a game.
I know they try to not do that just to
keep them fresh for the duration of a season. But
right now, here's your backup point guard and your only
other you know, ball handler for a lack of a
better you know phrasing or a title there outside of
nim Hart. I mean, you've got Matherin. But if Matheren
or if you've got nim Hard in foul trouble one night,

(01:55:52):
McConnell will have to step up. And then who's the
third quote unquote point guard?

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
I mean, is it the third point guard? I mean,
obviously McConnell is kind of your flex guy there. And
then they just signed one, right, and then pulled out
because of a calf injury. The calf injury to Mo Morris, right.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
Montay Morris.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
Yeah, And and now there is word wasn't there another
player that they are apparently close to signing?

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
Oh, Delonne, right, that's right. I guessed out on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
And I can't remember if they signed him or they
were close to signing, but you know that that's probably
going to be your number three point guard there. But McConnell,
you are correct, Eddie, because one thing about McConnell. When
Halliburton comes back, if you believe that you are in
position to again make a push, you want to make
sure because McConnell was such an important part of that
and that energy that he brings, you kind of want

(01:56:49):
to keep him fresh for that for a year from now, right,
because there there's a lot more mileage on the tires
there right.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
You know it's kind of like me, I'm getting a
replacement engine on my car, now, do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
Again?

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
Well, so no, they're doing it right now. So this
is so I had an in just doing what right now?
Who's doing what right now? So my car, I had
a part that broke and it was under warranty. So
I took it to the folks and I said, look,
I think this part broke. And they said, well, we
got to check and make sure your warranty covers. And
I said, well, I know for a fact the warranty covers.

(01:57:22):
And they said how do you know that? And I said,
because you did exactly that four months ago on the
other part that's the identical to this one, and it
was covered under warranty. Oh, you're right. So they had
it for two weeks, which became three weeks, which became
four weeks, which became five weeks. And then because they said, well,
not only did we discover that part was broken, but
so it was this part broken and then part of
this other part got into this part, and so we're

(01:57:43):
gonna have to like redo all kinds of stuff. And
I said, okay, great, and they got it done, and
I picked up my car and I drove it and
I got like two blocks, and then all of a sudden,
all hell broke loose and it sounded like there was
a duck underneath the hood, and then steam started coming out.
So I had it towed back to the deal again,
and they said, oh, by the way, your engine blew up.
I said, well, doesn't sound like my engine blew up.

(01:58:05):
It sounds like the engine that you just got done
working on blew up. And they said, well, you're right,
so we're giving you. We're putting in a replacement engine,
which feels awesome, and I'm happy for them for that diligence.
But then I'm curious about what happens with my new engine.
Is my warranty now carry over into the new engine?
Does this mean I have a car with zero miles

(01:58:25):
on it? How does that work? Do you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
The great question is the odominant reset exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:58:32):
I don't know. This car was only five and a
half years old. I bought it brand new, so you
know when it went all hell broke loose, and it
all broke loose in a big way, right like basically
my car turned into a teenager and then went away
and came back and like you know, was in seven gangs,
had been arrested four times and gotten somebody pregnant. I mean,
it was just like all hell broke loose overnight. Tell

(01:58:55):
me a boo your car boo too, right, maybe that's
what's going on. Who take your car out in the
middle of the night. When I was a kid at
a true story. When I was a kid, my mom,
when I was really little. We still do this within
our family to this day. But when I was really little,
you would get Christmas gifts from the pets, the family pet.
You know, you would get a box would be under

(01:59:17):
the tree that would say, you know, to Jake from Sam.
Sam was the family cat, and it was always either
pajamas or socks. Okay. And when I was really little,
and this is still a tradition to this day, but
when I was really little, my mom would say, I'd say,
how did Sam go and get socks? And my mom said, well,
there's a store that sells just for pets. And Sam's

(01:59:37):
got a motorcycle and he rides it along with Muffin,
which was the dog. He takes Muffin with her, and
I really thought this was true until I was like fourteen.
So you know, maybe Boo does do exactly that. I
doubt it, but maybe it's possible. We never know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
He's your cat, Jake.

Speaker 6 (01:59:52):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
Considering his size, he is a great cat.

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
By the way, Scott Agnes is going to join us
other side Fever and Action tonight taking on Vegas. We'll
get the loadown.

Speaker 6 (02:00:01):
Next.

Speaker 1 (02:00:03):
I've got a fabulous dance we used to do in
high school to this song in the car. Y you
want to see it? Folks on the YouTube can see it. Yeah,
you gotta wait for Gilbert Godfred to quit talking here.
You gotta wait till they get back into the Here
we go. You ready? Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
That is I'm clipping that and I will be uh
sending that to Shannon. Look at these dance moves.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
Well she's seen it, trust me. Oh really, listen, how
do you think I outkicked the coverage the way I did?

Speaker 3 (02:00:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
I don't want to fully get I pulled out all
the stops back in the day.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
Hi, my name is Jake. Would you like to see
my gas face dance?

Speaker 13 (02:00:46):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
Yes, great, We've.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
Got Scott Agnes on the line.

Speaker 1 (02:00:50):
Jake, Scott. Scott knows all this. Scott joins us on
the program. He's well aware of my gas face dancing
skills because they're probably still a mortal in the halls
of our common high school. Pacer or excuse not Pacers
Fever and Action. Tonight in Las Vegas, it is a
game five, decisive game five to see if they can
advance to the w NBA Finals. So, Scott, I will

(02:01:12):
get right to this question. Can they advance tonight to
the WNBA Finals?

Speaker 9 (02:01:18):
I think, going back to your trademark, why not, Indiana?
I mean, yeah, time you want to continue to count
them out, Jake, they prove us otherwise, so I think
all of us would be foolish to.

Speaker 4 (02:01:27):
Go ahead and cross them out. Now, there's going to
be a lot that has to go right for him.

Speaker 9 (02:01:33):
We obviously will see how the officiating is called throughout
this one, because it's different from game to game. But
there's no reason I would even hesitate to say that
they absolutely could get it done.

Speaker 1 (02:01:43):
Speaking of the officiating in the way it's been called
Stephanie White in a little bit of hot water right
for basically agreeing with or having the back of one
of her counterpart coaches, is that right?

Speaker 9 (02:01:54):
Yeah, a thousand dollars fine, And I'd laugh at that
because she didn't add anything new. She just repeated she's
talked about all season when asked about it. And the
challenge to me, Jake and all this is we're in
these semi final games.

Speaker 4 (02:02:07):
They couldn't be.

Speaker 9 (02:02:08):
Any better get into the game five, and yet all
the questions pregame last game where they got fined Becky Hammond,
who were about the officiating And so this has been
a NonStop conversation, both in the playoffs here and throughout.

Speaker 4 (02:02:22):
The regular season.

Speaker 9 (02:02:22):
But yeah, part of me does not understand the fact that,
you know, coaches are going to support them one another
and have their endorsements like it's a small grouping.

Speaker 4 (02:02:30):
And so then to add another.

Speaker 9 (02:02:33):
Fine on top of that for not saying anything new
was a little bit baffling to me.

Speaker 1 (02:02:37):
Scott in terms of what Las Vegas has been able
to do, for example, to take advantage of Indiana and
vice versa, will begin with the one side of it tonight,
for the fever, the one thing they need to make
sure that they take care of that has cost them
so far two games in the series would be what.

Speaker 9 (02:03:00):
I would say their defensive performance. If they're allowing too
many easy buckets around the rims lazy and falling and
those sort of things.

Speaker 4 (02:03:10):
Then if they're in for a tough night here.

Speaker 9 (02:03:11):
Because you're not going to have a home crowd behind you,
you gotta a sell out here of ten thousand people,
so you need you need to get a stop defensively.
That's what Stephanie White's been preaching all season long.

Speaker 1 (02:03:22):
Okay. Now the other side of that would be the
Fever's key to success rides, where.

Speaker 9 (02:03:28):
I'll say, if they can set the pace into the tempo,
if they're playing fast, if they're getting in fast, getting
out in fast breaks, if they're getting to the rim,
then I think it's in.

Speaker 4 (02:03:39):
Then the Fever are in for a good night.

Speaker 9 (02:03:41):
If it's slowing down, if the aces are dictating tempo
and all of that, then I don't like their chances.

Speaker 1 (02:03:48):
How important is the Leah Boston going to be.

Speaker 4 (02:03:52):
Significant? Because of what she has to do at both ends.

Speaker 9 (02:03:55):
On one end, you're dealing with the MVP, and you
know she's probably good for at least twenty five points.
Although we've seen age you have a couple bad games
in this series, which maybe does not portend for a
good Game five for the Fever on that front, But
and then on the other side, not only is she
kind of the hub of the offense and playing through
her even more this season, but on top of that,

(02:04:18):
I mean, what she's had to do on the interior,
and to me, Jake, what has stood out is how
aggressive and how feisty.

Speaker 4 (02:04:25):
And how she has not backed down from that challenge
because it is no easy task and she's.

Speaker 9 (02:04:29):
Doing it and she's playing like thirty five or forty
minutes per game as well.

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
You know, would you look at and this is Kart
before the Horsecott Agnes is our guest Fieldhouse Files, Fever
and Action tonight, Game five against Las Vegas nine to
thirty tip correct, Eddie, Yeah, nine to fifteen. I got
the pre game. Eddie will have the pregame as he
just mentioned, they're nine to fifteen.

Speaker 2 (02:04:48):
So for Scott at six fifteen if he's interested in
tuning in after Stephanie White's pregame media availability.

Speaker 1 (02:04:53):
That's right. Was there a if they were to get
and I get it. I mean we're speaking and speak
here because I know from their standpoint it's all about
getting the win tonight, but if if they were to advance,
you know, I was a little surprised to see Phoenix
get past Minnesota. And now maybe that's because I'm not
as nuanced in following the matchup of it, which was

(02:05:17):
is that an advantageous matchup for Indiana versus Minnesota?

Speaker 4 (02:05:22):
I think more so than Phoenix.

Speaker 9 (02:05:24):
I mean more than just the curse of them playing
in Phoenix and all the different injuries that happened there.
That was that was a grinded out, physical, grueling series
that even though in the Fista Colliery if she was
healthy for Minnesota, you never want to go against that talent.
I just think Phoenix is a difficult matchup and one
you would have liked to avoid.

Speaker 1 (02:05:44):
Scott I mentioned this to Stephanie White, and it was
interesting because she basically said no in every area without
saying no in every area, and that is and follow
me here, I'm almost embarrassed to ask it. Okay, they
win tonight, they get into the w NBA Finals, they

(02:06:07):
let's say, steal game one. Any chance that Caitlin Clark
makes a return.

Speaker 4 (02:06:14):
Zero because she's not eligible.

Speaker 9 (02:06:16):
They have to have an active list going into the postseason.
She is not on that cause I thought therefore she
is not available.

Speaker 1 (02:06:23):
Okay, see I thought that that. Didn't Stephanie say that
she wasn't sure of like where that that lied or something,
Eddie when we asked her about it. Because there's been
so much discussion about it, Scott, and I've seen varying
accounts as to whether or not she she would be
eligible to play. You're saying she would definitively not be
eligible and that's not a finals rule, that's a postseason rule, right, yes, Okay, well.

Speaker 4 (02:06:48):
Good understanding. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 9 (02:06:53):
This is all new territory because there and there's also
a lot of stuff that's going around the internet, like
if they're down two more players, do that to get
an ad A and it's like, no, they can't add
any more players should there be more injuries because there
are no more hardship exceptions in the playoffs, And so
the other thing is by not putting her on the
active list, that allowed them to keep the other players,

(02:07:14):
like the hardship players, to still be on the roster,
or else you would have had this sacrifice at least
one of those spots.

Speaker 1 (02:07:20):
Do you get the impression that Las Vegas is more,
how do I word this? Their experience at this point
is paying dividend for them or do they seem to
be at times just as on their heels as any
other team would be in this situation.

Speaker 4 (02:07:38):
Yeah, I would say the latter.

Speaker 9 (02:07:40):
I think they're trying to figure this out on the fly.
In as much as the fever Head faced their own
kind of adversity still has this Vegas team. I still
think back to that early July game Jake and Indianapolis,
where outside of Asian no one else on had aces
team showed up or I think made more than one
field goal.

Speaker 4 (02:07:57):
It was one of the.

Speaker 9 (02:07:58):
Worst, if not the worst opponent performances collectively I have
ever seen. And so then they navigate that, get over
that in a few weeks, and then they rattle off
eighteen or seventeen of eighteen wins too in the regular season,
and so yeah, I think this is a classic case
where they're going to hope to try to lean on
some of that big game experience and such. But I

(02:08:18):
don't necessarily have anything like one or two points there
that we've seen. It's like, oh, yeah, they've been here before.
You could really see it in this moment.

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):
Scott By the way, what have you done in Vegas
in your free time?

Speaker 4 (02:08:33):
Just had a nice dinner and a little gambling.

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
A little gambling, okay, And in the gambling aspect, Eddie's
ears perked up. You gambled in what way? Like I
only play Roulette, by the way, blacks thirty one hits
every time you play what games? When you gamble?

Speaker 9 (02:08:51):
Almost exclusively Blackjack? If I'm with the group, I like Craps,
but not when it's one or two of you.

Speaker 1 (02:08:58):
I've never understood that, Like, am I weird that I
don't understand craps? Is that? Like? Is Crap's one of
those games that once you learn it, you don't understand
how you didn't learn it. Does that make sense?

Speaker 9 (02:09:08):
I think that's all the games quite frankly, even like Blackjack,
like all the little nuances right of when you doubled down,
when you split, like that's where you really get the
best odds ultimately. So no, I think you just have
to learn by practice through all of these, except maybe Roulette,
where you just pick.

Speaker 2 (02:09:25):
And choose Scott In the last couple of games, Mikhayla
Timpson has been the first player off the bench for
Stephanie White there were so many games through out of
the course of the regular season, especially down the stretch.
I don't understand. This is probably largely connected to Tamoor
Staunton's being in the concussion protocol and she's out again
tonight for the Indiana fever. But what was it about

(02:09:45):
the Las Vegas aces that allowed or I guess I
should say spark Stephanie White to go to Mikayla Timpson
instead of Brianna Turner or somebody else off to bench first.

Speaker 9 (02:09:55):
Yeah, I think it was mostly physicality. She's got that
defensive mindset the the wingspan as well in her activity
levels high on the on the glass, and they've been
so good throughout most of the series on the Glass.
But the number one thing Step points to is is
her physicality to battle inside and get after it.

Speaker 1 (02:10:14):
Scott, the the gambling, by the way, I'm back to this.
You won or lost?

Speaker 4 (02:10:19):
Sure? I had a good night last night, so.

Speaker 1 (02:10:23):
He broke even to find good night? Did it pay
for dinner? Yes, pay for the hotel.

Speaker 4 (02:10:32):
That was comped, but yes, comped.

Speaker 1 (02:10:34):
Well, I believe what we're dealing with here is a
high roller. Okay uh okay uh. Pay for the flight home.

Speaker 2 (02:10:43):
Yes, Oh my wow, Scott was a heater last night.

Speaker 1 (02:10:48):
You have to pay taxes on it?

Speaker 3 (02:10:51):
No?

Speaker 4 (02:10:52):
No, I wish wow. Yeah, No, it's just a good night.

Speaker 1 (02:10:56):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 9 (02:10:57):
Look, anybody that knows it knows it's just as easily
it could be a bad night.

Speaker 1 (02:11:02):
Okay, true enough that you could buy yourself Taylor Swift tickets?

Speaker 4 (02:11:07):
No, No, not at all?

Speaker 1 (02:11:09):
Okay, Wow. Do you think it'd be weird if I
go to see Oasis in Buenos Aires, Argentina, By the.

Speaker 4 (02:11:16):
Way, not at all? If No.

Speaker 9 (02:11:21):
I think I learned that this whole Taylor Swift thing,
that the concert experience.

Speaker 4 (02:11:24):
For the most part overseas is great.

Speaker 9 (02:11:26):
It's not better in some circums, totally circumstances than here
in the US.

Speaker 1 (02:11:30):
Totally agree, totally agree. All right, Scott, tonight it is
fever in Las Vegas, aces Fieldhouse files, all the coverage.
Appreciate the time as always. All right, thanks guys, Scott
Agnes joining us on the program. But Scott, might I
say high roller Agnes? Right? I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (02:11:45):
I'm a blackjack guy myself, Jake, are you? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:11:49):
I you know, the first time that I went to Vegas,
I had no I was so naive by no idea.
I thought the dealer was like trying to beat you
all the time. So when they're like, no, no, no, you
need to hit right there, I'm like, no, no, no, no,
that's that's you're you're trying to get me to lose,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (02:12:01):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:12:02):
I lost a lot of money. I'm not very smart
with that stuff. But I also don't gamble much at
all at all. So roulette is it?

Speaker 6 (02:12:10):
Literally?

Speaker 1 (02:12:10):
Oh look, roulette? It all right, we'll come back. Crossover.
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(02:12:32):
Johnny got a big show lined up.

Speaker 5 (02:12:34):
Big show lined up. This Kathy Engelbert. Maybe in a
lot of trouble, a heap of trouble.

Speaker 3 (02:12:40):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:12:41):
There's with the WNBA commissioners what you're talking about obviously.

Speaker 5 (02:12:44):
Yeah, they can't handle anything. I'm seriously the whole product
is just they're so bound to screw everything up.

Speaker 1 (02:12:50):
They are in a real challenge. And I don't mean
that in a bad way, but in a good way.
I guess this is a league who's popular and who's
demand has skyrocketed right in the last year or two,
and so all of a sudden, you've got basically like
a ranch style home that you've got the entire neighborhood

(02:13:12):
wanting to move into. And so how do you handle
all that comes with that? And you could certainly make
a long argument for a long time about how equipped
or lack thereof, they were to handle all that.

Speaker 5 (02:13:23):
Right, they weren't ready. I don't think on any level
they don't seem to be ready, do they.

Speaker 3 (02:13:28):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:13:28):
I think that's uh. I mean that's been And especially
when you start to consider as well, when you get
when you start getting into as we know, John, everything
changes when you start dealing with massive amounts of money, right, yes,
and get into the players association and the collective bargaining
and all that. It gets real messy, real fast, it does.

Speaker 5 (02:13:49):
We kind of guess that when all this first started, right,
that they weren't going to be able to handle it,
and they're not. You know, I think the officiating is
like like the of the worries, correct, No, I mean
everybody complain.

Speaker 1 (02:14:03):
I mean it's just but the conversation around the officiating
is what's becoming a problem, right, you know what I mean,
just the constant scrutiny and you know, coaches and everybody
piling on right that that's where it because.

Speaker 5 (02:14:17):
What was their name, Cheryl Reeve that went all in
and got the links coach, Yeah, that's some funny stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:14:23):
I will say this.

Speaker 5 (02:14:23):
We're hearing stuff from the league's best player and arguably
the best coach that I don't know have. When's the
last time you heard something at that level taking shots
in the league right now?

Speaker 1 (02:14:34):
Well, for sure, and I think maybe they should start
their own you have certainly a player's association, that is,
I think, putting themselves in position to start wielding their
power right right to get what it is that they want.
What's lined up on the Big Show today, We're going.

Speaker 5 (02:14:51):
To do a little baseball conversation Tucker Barnhart because baseball
is officially starting. Eddie, We got Hunter.

Speaker 1 (02:14:57):
Green later on tonight.

Speaker 5 (02:14:59):
I'm upset, Well me a complete game with ten strikeouts
what do you think That's about what they need about
to get myself a sports arousal, right.

Speaker 2 (02:15:08):
Here, that's what they need to take, John, And I'm upset.
I can't watch most of it because I've got fever today.

Speaker 5 (02:15:13):
Oh man, bumber yss what do you think Jake ten
plus strikeouts.

Speaker 1 (02:15:19):
For Hunter Green? They win if that happens or run.

Speaker 5 (02:15:23):
And like in and a half and they're down seven
to nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:15:25):
I worried about. You know, it wouldn't surprise me at all, John,
This is the pessimist in me. It wouldn't surprise me
at all if this becomes like the San Francisco series
where they you know that too, and then all of
a sudden it's like whoa wait a minute, and you
can just see it coming, and Lurie could be Roy
Halladay just going out and throwing no hitter against him, right.

Speaker 5 (02:15:43):
So coach fans are excited. They're about ready to get
underway with the podres the Reds later off tonight. The fever,
as I'm sure you've talked about all day. This is
what's kind of funny this hit yesterday with me and
obviously if it involved involves Miles Turner, it's like I'm
in his hip pocket. It also involves me. But here's
what I find funny out of this. Like the stuff

(02:16:04):
that the fans are getting bent out of shape about,
don't get bent out of shape about be bent out
of shape about how he left this organization in search
of what he said he found was a higher level
of competition. I'm mad because of what he said going
out the door about his teammates, my favorite team of
all time. I don't give a damn what he said

(02:16:26):
or his thoughts about the fans, because he soaked up
all that internet dumb assary over the course of his
nine years here. And this is the grudge holder with
a little payback, and he's paying back the organization a
little bit too, for always having him in trade rumors
and DeAndre ayt Andre and this is all gonna work
itself out November the third and coming up this year

(02:16:48):
because the one thing Miles was doing right now and
as much as I liked him in the past, he's
basically writing a check that we have seen in the past.
His ass is not going to be able to cash.

Speaker 1 (02:16:58):
Well, that's that's what's going to be.

Speaker 5 (02:17:00):
And you know you're gonna run off absolutely everybody in
the process. But I'm not mad about the fans. The
hell with the fans. I'm mad about what he said
about his teammates. Here's and I.

Speaker 1 (02:17:08):
Thought yesterday when Nieman said, no, I get it. You
know I understood, and I said, well, what do you say.
I'm not going to say that. Okay, John's up next.
We'll be back with you at noon tomorrow. And I
thank you for listening to Quarrying Company.

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