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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Weekend is in fact upon us. And here's the thing.
This is the good news, this is the exciting news. Again.
I'm not pessimistic, Pete. I'm brightside baby, I'm the killers.
I'm mister bright'side because I'm looking at the bright side
of everything. For example, this is realistically the last Friday

(00:22):
for like the next month and a half that anybody
is actually gonna expect you to be anywhere after this.
It's all just Katie bar the door. People forget what
day the week it is. It's the holidays. There's events,
there's dinners, there's get togethers, there's people dropping in town.
But it's not to say that we don't come in
and execute and get through letting you know everything that's

(00:47):
taking place in the world of sport, because the sport
world is a huge part of the calendar of events
for the next week and a half or so. But
the point being, I hope all of you are getting
set for a couple of weeks of whatever it is
that you celebrate, but simply being around family, being around

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good health and enjoyment. And there's plenty to talk about,
both college basketball. The NFL thought a fabulous game last
night as well, as the NBA. But before we do
all of that, before we do all of that, I
know that the Flintstones are not necessarily topical in twenty
twenty five, but they do have one hit that I

(01:30):
spend one time each year, and admittedly selfishly, it is
more significant, more important with each passing year that I'm
able to play it. Eddie, if you have the song
right now, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Ohnversary, Yeah, Conversarynnversarvey on this the nineteenth of decembervers this,
of course when Fred was waking up Wilma.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I believe for their anniversary. I NOI do what the
date was, but it is not just the anniversary of
the birth of my buddy Matt Churchman, whose birthday is today,
but more importantly, Eddie, if you could please, and yes
selfishly but I asked the entire city to do so
with me, please wish the happiest of sixty first wedding

(02:23):
anniversaries to none other than Lloyd and Karen Querry.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Happy anniversary to mister and missus Quarry.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
So my dad is as we you know, I think
people know. I try to be pretty transparent, not that
people care, but we sometimes thank.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
You for the contribution of Jake into this.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
World depending on the day.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
My dad's gone through a health journey. He had a
stroke in July and is now recovering in a facility
that is fantastic up on the northwest side. Met somebody
yesterday listener to the show whose dad is there as well.
So we are going to go over as a family
and celebrate for my parents' wedding anniversary after the show today,

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but sixty one years together, and wanted to certainly wish
them a happy anniversary. The NFL, obviously the Colts getting set.
It is weird because typically on a Friday we are
setting the stage for the weekend of games culminating with
the Colts on Sunday, and it is a Monday night
game obviously with San Francisco. I thought last night though,

(03:24):
a couple of things that took place last night. First,
I want to thank Night Owls and Zinc Distributing and
Mick Ultra. We had an awesome time last night for
our mini Hoops that we had had to be a
record number of participants partaking in our mini Hoops challenge.
We will do this again in January, but Mick Ultra

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puts it on along with Zinc where your chance to
win that particular round. Last night was round two of
these that we will do and each time that we
go out, the high score then is entered into the
final with the grand champion of all of this, we'll
be going to Milwaukee with Hotel Voucher and on Mick

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Ultra to go up and watch the Bucks take on
Miles Turner's old team, the Blue and Gold, up in Milwaukee.
And so last night was another round of that. In
night Owls. It was not only awesome just to be
out and meet different listeners of the show and be
down in Beach Grove and to see the fund that

(04:27):
people were having at just a neighborhood joint. You know
what I mean. I mean you saw they had what
had to have been a thousand dartboards in there, and
poker going on and the pacer game playing, and seeing
all of these people coming together and just enjoying an
evening with their coworkers, with their neighbors, with their friends.
Very cool. Would love to say hello to Randall who

(04:48):
came up to me. He and his brother. Regular listeners
to the show said they're driving trucks, and they're in
the truck and he said, man, we're locked in, and Randall,
I appreciated. It was great meeting last night. Same for
Jake Jacob, the Pride of Nebraska, a corn Husker fan
that is building elevators actually in Indianapolis and listens to

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the station throughout the course of the day, and he
and I talked plenty of college football yesterday while watching
also the Pacer game and then into the NFL game.
And let's begin with the Pacers. Last night. It almost
feels like now we are entering into and maybe we've
already entered into the category of and I hate saying

(05:32):
it this way because I'm not trying to sell the
Pacers short and the Colts. There's an interesting dynamic in
terms of the I think it's the newness factor. Let
me explain what I'm talking about. I'm pulling in last
night to night owls and my phone rings, and it's

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a listener that wants to talk about the Colts and
break down and decipher and go over what the future
should be for Chris Ballard and Shane Steiken. If the
slide continues and the Colts find themselves on the outside
looking in for the postseason and there's still still football

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to be played with that, so we just don't know,
you know, when is the time to begin evaluating that.
It is my belief that as of right now, Ballard
and Steichen are safe, and I think they should be.
And that's not me carrying anybody's water. I've been pretty
critical of Chris Ballard at times and Shane Steiken. It's

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not that I think Shane Steiken is Bill waltsh two
point zero. It's not that I think Shane Steiken is
Bill Belichick two point zero. I think he's I think
he's a good coach, and I think he has learned.
I think he's a significantly better coach than he was
when he first got the job. So there are you
can see improvement, you can see steps along the way

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of you know, the him growing into being, especially offensively,
a pretty good coach. Now with that, yes, there is
a slide and they are in real trouble here and
one would assume they may not make the playoffs. And
when you look at Chris Ballard's track record, then you

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have a couple of ways to look at this, and
it compares a little bit to the Pacers. The Pacers
last night have a game that to a large extent
did what people want it to do. I know it
sounds crazy to say, I think there are Pacer fans

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that are, like, you know what, at this point six
and twenty one, go in, be competitive, play hard, have
a fun game, be fun, and don't back your way
out of that lottery potential. And it's this accepted fate
and this new normal that the Pacers aren't going to

(08:03):
win games, and people seem to be okay with that
because of the fact of two things. Number One, you've
had plenty of time to absorb and process the disappointment
of the injury that is setting them back, and number two,
the injuries are what's setting them back. And so as
a result of that, it feels like there's this built

(08:26):
in excuse that softens the blow of what it is
that's happening. Because each and every time you see a
score or a disappointment or a loss, you say to yourself, yeah,
but I mean, they don't have Haliburton, they don't have Top,
and they don't have Nie Smith. Those guys are so
important to what they do, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
The Colts have essentially the same excuse to go by man,

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the Colts have lost, you know, five of six, and
they've lost four straight or whatever it is, and they
just keep snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Sure,
but you could say, yeah, but they don't have the
Forrest Buckner. They don't have Daniel Jones, pretty significant, right,
They don't have Braden Smith, they don't have Sauce Gardner,
they haven't had Shaverarius Ward. The injuries are part of it.

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Except for number one, we are still in the midst
of that. And so that reality that that cushion hasn't
necessarily completely set in just yet. That's number one and
number two in the NFL. There is the thought process
that injuries are such a part of that game and

(09:37):
such a part of that design that they have to
be prepared for that. But as I'm driving in and
I get a phone call from a listener, and I'm
pulling into night Owls, and they're asking me what's going
to happen with Chris Ballard and Shane Steiken, And I'm saying,

(09:58):
I don't think anything's going to happ and before I
can explain why, the caller, understandably so is like over
zealously like cutting me off. To state the case of
why they think Chris Ballard should be relieved of his
duties at the pace or if the Colts don't make
the playoffs, and he's comparing it with the Pacer situation.
And I said, this is what's interesting, though, because you

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could make a very compelling case for Chris Ballard on
either side. If this was a high school debate class
and you were given the assignment to debate why Chris
Ballard should be terminated as the leader of the Colts
and it's time for a fresh change, a fresh mind,
a fresh voice, then you would have plenty by which

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to go by the number of seasons. The feeling of
being stuck in the mud, the vat of suck, as
I call it, just being right there. It's like those
you remember those little finger games you would get there.
They were paper. Oh, they were called like finger handcuffs

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when I was a kid. You put your your two
fingers in both sides of that that like slinky looking
piece of paper, and then it like locks them and
you can't you can't get them out. The Colts have
been stuck like in that middle area of that little
tube where you just you're stuck in the middle. You
can't get one way or the other. You're just stuck
in that back. That's the that's the problem in the

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NFL with getting stuck in that drafting seventeenth all the time.
But when you look at the situation with Chris Ballard,
you could say, but when they were healthy, we were
all jumping up and down through eight weeks talking about

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the way this roster had been built, the balance of it,
and how it might be as good a roster as
anybody in the NFL until the injuries, but every team
has injuries. But until the injuries, and so you could
look at it and you could make the case that
the Colts are stuck in the mud with no sign

(12:15):
of getting out of that because their quarterback situation is
fubar and their draft situation is less than desirable. However,
their best course of action is to franchise tag Daniel Jones,
bring him back, see what you have in terms of

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the time that he comes back and the quality by
which he comes back, and roll with that. And there
is a very good chance that if everything goes as
planned with that, that you have indeed a really good
roster around him. And now you're right back to where
you were, and you pick up where you left off
when you were seven and one and you were optimistic,

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and the only thing hurting you is that you don't
have another first round weapon to add to the mix
because you traded those two because you got aggressive in
your plan. And yes, I am one person who you
will not find audio of me at that time saying
this is a huge move that puts the Colts over
the top. I thought it was too much to spend

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for a corner as good as he is. But then
you look at the PACER's side of things, and when
the Pacers got in this situation where they went from
literally the penthouse to the outhouse, there's this feeling and
this comfort level amongst the fan base here, that of

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understanding and a patience with it. And why is that?
The reason why is because the precedent beforehand showed that
the PACER's front office had aggressive game planning and vision
that paid itself off, and so therefore they have earned
the benefit of the doubt that they will be able
to right the ship, and the Colts front office has

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earned the skepticism of people that they can get out
of that middle ground. And that's the difference between the
way that we approach and envision the path for these
two franchises. And that's not to say that there's like
pitchforks going up and down Meritian Street about the Colts.
I just think that there is a much higher level

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of just kind of an exasperated acceptance of reality with
the Colts. And part of that also is because we
are in the middle of it right now. And for
the Pacers, when the injury happened, you had like three
months to sit there and think about what it could
have should have, but then turn the page and say, Okay,
I just have to accept that this year is going

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to be different. Now, next year, next season, if things
don't go well for the Pacers, then there's going to
be a lot of discussion and a lot of one
in the world. And was that a novel? It was
at Lightning in the Bottle, But last night in Pacers
and Knicks, Eddie Garrison was running the board for the
Pacers Radio network. Yes, the bottom line it was basically

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Pacers Knicks of a year ago, with the exception of
the fact that this time the heroic point guard saving
came or guard play saving came from Jalen Brunson, who
is a fabulous player. It was not a bad performance
for the Pacers, but it was a bad final closing
of the Pacers.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, it certainly was. I mean, they just struggled offensively
in that fourth quarter. Like it just seems, Jake, like
they have these different, you know, lapses in games offensively,
and it's almost like IU basketball during the Mike Whitson era.
You didn't exactly know when it was going to happen,
but you know it's going to happen at some point
in the course of the game. And earlier in the

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season it always felt like, you know, it was that
third quarter coming out of halftime. Then it kind of
moved to the second quarter, and now in like the
last week or so, the fourth quarter has been the
biggest bugaboo for the Pacers with closing out games. And
at this point, if it's got to be incredibly frustrating
if you're Rick Carlisle, because you're just trying to find
the right combination almost every single night to close out

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a game, and you may think you have the right
combo for three quarters going into that final quarter. The
next thing you know, things just kind of taper off,
and you know, he's still looking for win number one
thousand is stuck on at nine hundred and ninety nine
now for three or or for four consecutive games.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
I think they I do think. I don't know, but
I think they have a couple of things planned for
Rick Carlisle to help celebrate the one thousandth win. But
they've been waiting for a while, right, Well, I would
hope they would have something planned. They've been probably some
video tributes, I think, but they they've been waiting for
a while.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
You think they have a cake, a big one thousand cake.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, you'd have to write. And if we're having cake
tonight from my parents' sixty first wedding anniversary orange fluff
from tailors up on the North Side, I would take
a thousand wins that trumps sixty one. Thousand wins trump
sixty one years.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
Right.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
And here's the other thing.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
If there's a cake, does that mean they've had to
have a cake the last four games?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
And if so, what have they done with each of
those cakes?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Or the cake?

Speaker 1 (17:12):
It's like the it's like the cake that Elaine ate
out of mister Peterman's refrigerator. Right, do you have any
idea what happens to the inter bowels of one when
they are eating a buttercrust that's been sitting there waiting
for that long.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
I don't get the reference.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Well, believe you me, I think you'll find out soon enough.

Speaker 7 (17:31):
Dismissed.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Fifteen percent of the audience gets the reference, but they
appreciate it. But yes, good point on Carlisle sitting on
nine ninety nine last night. Jalen Brunson is and it's
not just against the Pacers that he is that player, right,
he is. He is a bulldog type player. I thought
that got really good minutes. It goes without saying with

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that kind of a scoring effort. And again I was
I was manning. I was manning and overseeing and helping
out with and registering or Archie what's that, Peyton Eli
or Archie Ooper Cooper, Yeah, the athletic one that Okell Short.
But I was manning the mini hoops tournament with Mick
Ultra and zinc Out at nightdou So. I was kind

(18:17):
of watching the game in the periphery of my eye, right,
and then had to go back and look over things.
And Andrew Demhard obviously had a big game. Quintin Jackson's
a guy that we kind of forget about because he
has not been as available, but when his number has
been called upon Eddie Pauler, he's given them good minutes.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
Right.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
He's another one of.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Those energizer bunnies.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
You know.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
He brings a lot of energy with you know, the
speed that he plays with and picking up full core
in just the relentless defense and being able to help,
you know, the offense get out into the transition and
play that quick brand of basketball that we have seen
them play the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
The other thing that goes on with the Pacers. I
saw multiple stories last night, and it is no surprise.
It appears as though there are national outlets that have
been listening to this program because once again, nothing new here,

(19:11):
nothing original. Once again, multiple stories out there about the
Pacers and trying to shop or being open to shop.
Benedict Mathern.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I've also seen some Jeris Walker stuff as well.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
I would think Walker as well, because those are two players.
But let's begin with Mathern. Okay, mathered is going to
be rumored and listed on the regular because of the
fact that they did not offer him an extension at

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the beginning of the year, and we're potentially allowing him
to go into free agency at the completion of this.
And with Benedict Matherin, the thing about him that is
so intriguing, both for the Pacers and for other franchises,

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Benedict Mathern is an isolation type scorer. Benedick Mathern, he's
an isolation guy in general. It's not a knock on him,
but he is. His personality is such that he's just
more kind of independent. I think he's liked. I don't

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think he's a bad I don't think he's a sour apple.
I don't think he's a bad guy. I don't think
he's selfish. I'm not saying any of that. But his
mo is that he is a guy that is just
kind of like in the corner of the sandbox, and
offensively speaking, that's how he plays the Pacers offense when

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it is clicking and has all cylinders is one that
obviously worked with all five cylinders clicking at the same
time and working in unison of one another, and Matherin
has been a huge asset in the offset of that,
not within it per se, but if you look, for example,

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when they were playing Oklahoma City. He won them a
game in the NBA Finals. He won them a game,
and I think it was Game three, if I'm not mistaken.
But he turned around then in game four and had
kind of that meltdown where he had two off ball

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fouls and missed the free throws and just was out
of sync and out of rhythm. But when Benedict Matherin
is thriving offensively, more often than not, it's because the
rest of the offense is not and he is picking
up that slack. And he has that capability without question. However,

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because he is entering into the final year, because he
is a volume rhythm scorer, in other words, he when
he does score, he has nights where he has nine
points or twenty nine. It feels like there's very few
in between. And I know somebody can look at it
and go, do the averages eighteen or nineteen, that's right
in between. I get it, But you get what I'm saying.

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I still believe I am one hundred percent convinced of this.
The Pacers know that they need two pieces. They need
two pieces for next year once Halliburton comes back, assuming
and hoping that Halliburton comes back close to the level
that he was, and you still have Siakam and you

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have Nie Smith, and you have Toppen and everyone's healthy
a year from now. In that situation, the Indiana Pacers
need two pieces. They need the replacement for Miles Turner.
And by that I mean an active, physical under the
basket big that can rim protect and then facilitate by

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running the floor and either trail and hit a three
or then get on the inside on the block and
facilitate things offensively. And that's a very smallest of players
that can do that. But that and Jay Huff has
shown the ability to do that in small increments, but
not with regularity at the start of games over the

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course of a game the way Turner did. But that's
option number one of what you need. The other thing
you need is a young wing defender like a Nie Smith,
but with a little more length and probably a little
bit more mid range type play, truth be told, like

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a slightly more fleet Benanic Maatheren that can play at
the pace of fly. With what they need, I am
convinced that the PACER's mindset is that Benedict Mathern, because
he does have value within the league, that Benedict Mathern

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will be the trade piece that turns into and parlays
them for the Miles Turner replacement. Whether that be Kessler
in Utah or somebody else, I don't know, but that's
where they're going to get that piece, or at least
try is using Matherin in that area. The second player

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that I talked about, the wing defender. That player will
be attained for them or obtained for them via their
first round pick, which in a stroke of brilliance, they
got back last year during the NBA Finals in a
trade that was very silent because you assumed it was
going to be the twenty ninth overall pick. And now

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that pick is probably going to be a lottery pick,
and quite frankly, could be a top five or six
pick in an extremely deep wing draft. And that player
that you get a wing player, is not one that
you are looking at saying that has to be a
starter for us. No, that's going to be a twelve
to twenty minute complimentary piece that you grow with. And

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then make that transition when you went from the Reggie
Davis's Rick Smith's teams into the Jermaine O'Neil, ron artest
Al Harrington teams. You had Harrington already drafted, you had
Jermaine that you traded for as a young player. But
those guys were there and they were slowly being brought
into the mix. Before then they became the faces of

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the franchise and that's what their lottery pick is going
to be. So it just feels like there is more
definitive roadmap for the Pacers than the Colts. Part of that, too,
is it's a lot easier to manage it when you
when you had eight or nine guys as opposed to
fifty plot I get it, and your most important piece

(26:05):
from the standpoint of the Colts is coming off the
same injury of the most important piece of the Pacers.
The difference being the one that's with the Pacers is
already locked in under contract. There's a lot to get to.
One thing happened last night that I thought to myself,
right there, this is the best of the best, as

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good as it gets. And it happened last night. It
happened late, but I want to go over it because
it was one of those things that you just kind
of felt like everybody else was right there with you.
I'll explain what I'm talking about and big show lined
up today, Zach Osterman. Osterman going to join us. Coming
up one o'clock. We'll talk about Indiana football, notably getting

(26:49):
ready for the College Football Playoff, basketball side of it
as well. Rob Blackman going to join us, the voice
of the Purdue boiler Makers coming up at one thirty
Perdue and Auburn getting set to battle tomorrow. That's going
to be a six thirty tip. Kevin Bowen at two
o'clock today, Good for the heart, Feel good Friday. Coming
up at the bottom of the two o'clock hour. A
lot to get to, a lot to unpack when we
come back. Something had happened last night where you just

(27:10):
felt like this sense of community. And I'm not talking
about the darts and the mini hoop at night owls,
but rather just simply watching something that was pretty awesome.
We'll talk about it next. One of the things that's
fun about sport, and in particular this time of year,
because I've always appreciated that you and I know that,

(27:34):
and I hope this is true for everybody. You know.
We all have our different family traditions, we all have
different things that we do to enjoy the holidays and
enjoy family time, whether it be Thanksgiving or Christmas, or
Hanukah or Kwanza, whatever it is that you might celebrate.
I mean, you know, this time of year is there
are so many the confluence of so many different traditions,
and one of the things that makes those things special

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is you know that other homes, other houses, other people
are doing the same with their people, and you certainly
hope that all people are able to enjoy that. And
every once in a while, especially on a gloomy, kind
of snowy, you know, wintery Thursday night, something takes place

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where you feel like you are you can just get
the feeling that you're part of this big gathering. You know,
the Daytona five hundred, when NASCAR and the Daytona five
hundred really took off, or took off as maybe even
the wrong word, but first got introduced to the mainstream

(28:44):
was in the I think it was seventy eight when
you had the big fight at the Daytona five hundred,
And it just so happened that there was an ice
storm and a blizzard throughout the vast majority of the Northeast,
and so all of these people that normally never watched NASCAR,
everyone was sitting on their couch watching TV because there

(29:07):
was nowhere to go. And you know, back then you
had like four channels, but everybody was watching the same thing.
And social media has a big part of this too,
when you're something's going on and so therefore you're locked
into you know, whatever social media channel that you use,
and you can tell that everybody's commenting on the same thing.
And that was the case last night with what I

(29:27):
think was the best game of the season in the
National Football League, and it boded well, or bodes well
truthfully for the Colts because as I was watching that
game last night, and I got the impression that I
haven't seen the television numbers, and I know it's on

(29:49):
Prime and not on you know, so they're going to
be lower because fewer people have the streaming service even
in twenty twenty five than they do if it was
on just regular ESPN or whatever else. But that's got
to be one of the highest drawn, especially late in
the game. Tune in numbers for Amazon Prime so far
since they began doing the games. But as I'm sitting

(30:11):
there watching it, I'm thinking to myself, Okay, one of
these teams, I believe is probably the favorite and the
best team in the NFL. Now, Eddie, who would you
say right now is the best team in the National
Football League if you had to pick one.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
Either one of those teams that we saw last night,
probably right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
And and Matt Stafford and you know, with what he's
got going with certainly just the receiving game in general,
and with Puka Nakua and the way that I mean
just their timing and Nikoua last night was incredible, right,
And I know he's had a rough week, but he
was incredible on the field. And Stafford just has this

(31:00):
locked in. This dude is totally in control feel about
him that is very hard to dismiss.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
It's like whenever you watch Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes
or Joe Burrow get into these like these zone zones
the quote unquote flow state, as Aarony Smith coined it, now, they're.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Just impossible to stop.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
I totally agree.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
And he's been like that pretty much all season.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
And so when you assess the RAMS, what you have
to then keep in mind is and yes, what it
could have should have and if if some butts were
candy and nuts, will all have a merry Christmas. I
get it. However, that's a team in the Rams that
the Colts should have beaten different time of year. I

(31:47):
get it right, and Seattle, you can't even necessarily weigh
it in. And I don't even know offensively that Seattle
was doing, you know, showing their full game plan against
the Colts. You know, I don't know, because it wasn't
to the level of last night. But what Seattle does

(32:08):
do is show kind of a blueprint for what the
Colts ultimately can hope for with a healthy Daniel Jones.
And that being Sam Donald, last night, I thought showed
something and I do think that what we there are
always quarterbacks that they have a game or a moment
and you get bought in and you get fooled by it.

(32:30):
The New Orleans Saints got fooled by Aaron Brooks. He
caught lighting in a bottle for three games and like boom,
let's give you a ton of money. The Buffalo Bills
got fooled by Rob Johnson. The Detroit Lions got fooled
by Scott Mitchell. The Miami Dolphins probably got fooled by Tua. Right.

(32:51):
I mean, it's all over the place. And Sam Donald
has had his moments where he's kind of fooled you
and then also you're like, no, we know who you
are now. But I thought last night, in key moments repeatedly,

(33:12):
and he did have some costly turnovers, but when they
needed it most, not once, but twice, Donald was exceptional
and he was locked in as well, and as good
as Stafford was, Darnald was as well. And I think
that's good news for the Colts. Again, I'm going by
assuming Daniel Jones comes back from the injury and is healthy. Okay,

(33:34):
But if Daniel Jones comes back from the injury and
is healthy, then I think that's a blueprint that you
can look at because Darnald is a guy that had
his question marks, had his inconsistencies, but showed enough flash
at different stops along the way that you felt like,
if he had a good roster around him, had some

(33:55):
weapons that he now has the maturity and the moxie
to put the ghosts of Christmas past behind him and
play forward. And I thought last night he showed that,
and that's good news for the cults because that's the
blueprint of what you want out of a Daniel Jones. Now,
did you get a chance to watch much of that

(34:15):
game any or were you still doing the Pacers postgame stuff.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Once the Pacers game ended, I flipped it over to
that game, so I was able to watch most of
the second half.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
I mean it was there were I have no real room.
I shouldn't say that. I've always kind of liked the Seahawks.
I think I've let that be known.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
And we were, by the way, what'd you think of
the Seahawks uniforms? I thought those are right there with
the ones that you love the most.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
No what, no, no, no, you're a lunatic.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
No, I get it. Okay, they were a little too Okay.
First off, let me back up here. Okay, I'm not
a fan of green.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Color.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Hold on. I like the lime green, the high lighter
lime green they use as an accentuation to the royal
blue and silver that are their two primaries. I like
it there. I don't like the dark green, the almost
forest green, as the primary as it changes under the lights.

(35:24):
To quote Hall notes, no can do not terrible, but
trying a little too hard. They're like the zubab pants
of uniforms. But last Saturday, Shannon and I go out
to dinner and I see this couple walk in and

(35:45):
the dudes wearing a Seattle Seahawks, the old school Seahawks logo,
the old school Seahawks. He's wearing the snow hat and
I actually have one of these with the Seahawks on it,
and I'm like, holy cow. So I say to him, Hey,
I got to tell you I have actually that exact
same hatiteur it once a year. I'm a tradition laden guy, right,
I'm regimented. And so we start talking and I said, so,

(36:07):
this guy is from Seattle now lives in Champagne and
he and his wife come to Indianapolis each year in
the Christmas time to Christmas shop and go to dinner
and whatever else, just a weekend getaway. And I said,
oh my gosh, we're getting ready to do the exact
same thing tomorrow to Milwaukee. Right. So he and I
started talking about just the NFL in general exchange numbers.

(36:27):
And I was texting with him last night during the
game about the Seahawks and the Rams game because that
felt like the two upper echelon teams and it was
and I could see it because he's a huge Seahawks fan.
Eddie the roller coaster of emotion in that game, it
was just back and forth and then you had the
crazy two point conversion. You saw that, right, Yes, very

(36:50):
interesting on how that played out. So the two point
conversion for those that did not see it, it was
a what looked to be basically a dead play because
Darnold throws what looks to be an incomplete pass, but
it was a backward pass, which means it's a live
ball and it gets kicked around and then Seattle just

(37:11):
kind of without thinking about it, picks it up and
it's like, oh, wait a minute, that's now good because
you're in the end zone, and boom, two point conversion.
And that turned out to be a difference of the game.
But it was a game of great ebanflow. It was
an unbelievable game, but it was the best game, and
I believe it was the best game of the year

(37:31):
in the National Football League. And on a weekend where
we have other sports going on, but most of it
is Saturday loaded. For example, college basketball Indiana playing on Saturday,
Butler college basketball playing on Saturday, Perdue playing on Saturday,
Pacers playing Saturday and Monday. So you have all these

(37:52):
NFL games on a Sunday. The Colt's playing on a
Monday night. And guess what this weekend is. It's a
theme weekend at Querying Company. It's a theme we for
the NFL and music to go with it. We will
explain our new musical theme when it comes to the
NFL schedule next. Okay, So somewhere there is a group

(38:15):
of guys that are breaking rocks in the hot sun.
Right they're in the I don't know if it's hot
sun right now in Pocatello, but they're in the Pocatella
Penitentiary and they've been breaking rocks in the hot sun
because they fought the law on the law one. And
now they're sitting there and the warden comes and says,
I got good news for you. I got good news
for you, fellas. You've been breaking rocks in the hot sun,

(38:37):
and therefore we're going to reward you. No, no, no,
no no. We're not gonna give you a bottle of
SuDS like we once did for those that got to
retar the top of the plating factory. No, we're gonna
let you watch an NFL game this Sunday. Now, we
do this a lot eddie where you say, okay, so

(38:57):
if you were the one television inside of the penitentiary
where everybody's allowed to watch a game, like you had
as the community television in your dorm room floor in college.
What's the game that they would say? Yeah, I mean, technically,
we're letting these guys watch the NFL, but we're gonna
give them the worst possible game because we can't be

(39:19):
too kind. Okay. Now, it is my belief. And this
happens a lot this time of year because you start
getting into and this is why fantasy football this time
of year becomes so challenging. Guys are getting benched, guys arrested,
et cetera. I think last night we might have seen
the only maybe they're too the only non poke tele

(39:42):
penitentiary games on the schedule. Now, Eddie, let me read
off for you the schedule, and I want you to
tell me, Okay, if you consider it a pok tele
penitentiary level game, then you give me like two seconds
worth of the song.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Okay, I can do that, or I can give you
a ding or an Okay, we'll do that.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
We'll do the ding, and then when at the end
you can play the song when you declare the one
that you determined to be the biggest breaking rocks in
the hot Sun game. Okay, we will begin with Philadelphia
at the I forget who's quarterbacking this week? Washington Commanders
Marcus Mariota?

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Okay, is quarterbacking the Commanders?

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Not a terrible game? Right?

Speaker 6 (40:24):
Nope?

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Okay? Green Bay at Chicago. That's obviously a very good game.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
That's probably the best game left on the schedule.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
It's there are two. That's one of them. Now let
me read you the rest here. Buffalo at Cleveland, Buffalo
at Cleveland. It's going to be a mud soup ice covered.
Are we going to see what Shader Sanders is doing?
It's a ten and a half point spread. I mean,
that's a Pokatella game, is it not? Maybe? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
But Buffalo with Buffalo, I don't know if it's a
Pokotella game.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
The Chargers at Dallas not a Polkatele game. The Chiefs
with Gardner Minshew going in and taking on the Titans
of Tennessee at the Candidate it's a candidate, okay. Cincinnati
and whoever is quarterbacking the Dolphins in Miami.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Quinn ears okay?

Speaker 1 (41:23):
And does that give it enough intrigue.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Well, Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase T. Higgins.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Okay, you know what, So are they gonna play themselves
into a.

Speaker 8 (41:35):
Fault?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
You know they're trying to win. That's what Zach Taylor said. Okay,
well brace yourself. Here the New York Jets at New Orleans.
There's your winner. Hold on, We're not done yet. We're
not done yet though. Okay, we're done. We don't need
to keep no. Here we go Minnesota at the New

(41:58):
York Giants. I mean, well, we're seeing if jj McCarthy
can like put together some sort of streak and out dude,
Jackson Dart Okay, Tampa Bay at Carolina. That's actually sneaky
decent because there are some implications in that game. Right
we First, here's a sneaky good game. Jacksonville at Denver, YEP.

(42:21):
That's got implication possibly for the Colts as well. If
Jacksonville wins that game, Katie bar the door for the Colts.
They're in some trouble there, they already are. But you
get what I'm saying. Okay, Atlanta at Arizona. Another candidate
who's quarterbacking for either one of those teams.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
You got Jacoby Brissett and Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Man and Cousins actually has played halfway decent. Pittsburgh got
Detroit not terrible, right, I guess Pittsburgh mathematically to Okay,
how about this one, the Raiders at Houston. You're not
dinging any of these as potential Pocatella pen intentional games? Yeah,

(43:00):
I mean that's the potentially Yeah yeah, Okay, New England
and Baltimore's decent. Yep. And then truthfully, San Francisco and Indianapolis.
Is anybody outside of San Francisco or Indianapolis excited about that?
For that matter? Is anybody in Indianapolis or San Francisco
excited about that?

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Hey, you saw the numbers last week for the Rivers game.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
People were fascinated to see what Philip Rivers could do, Right.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
Jake, I think the clear and obvious answer here is
the Jets and the Saints.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
So when the okay, it used to be that they
would play when the Saints come marching in, when New
Orleans would take to the field, But when they're playing
at formerly the Mercedes Benz Louisiana Superdome, I don't know
who it's sponsored by now against the New York Jets,
and we're not even sure who's quarterback in the Jets.
The music that will play when they come out on
the field will be this, Eddie, you're still there?

Speaker 3 (43:53):
No, I'm not here.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
There we go, There we go. Because those those two
teams are as on point for this game as Eddie
is when it comes to firing up the music, Rightank.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
You do you even know who the quarterback is for
the Jets?

Speaker 1 (44:09):
It is not justin fields, correct? Nope? Should I know this? No?
Uh not?

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Tyrod Taylor, give me the Rod Taylor, give me the
college Missouri.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Oh boy?

Speaker 9 (44:25):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Okay, is it a veteran? No, it's gonna say so.
It's not Chase Daniel Rose.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Chase Daniel is no longer in the I know.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
But Chase Daniel was in the league like fifteen years,
and like the last twelve of them, everyone assumed he
was out of the league. I am throwing in the
towel on this.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Brady Cook.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Okay, Brady Cook taking on who's quarterbacking New Orleans this week?

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Tyler shuck that shucks?

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Okay, don't you shuck things in New Orleans? If you
get like crawfish? Aren't you supposed to shuck him. I
have no idea. I don't eat crawfish. You shuck them
and then you cook them. What do you know? This
literally is the at two Fable call it the at
two fay Ball. Shuck and cook. There's a restaurant right
there off Bourbon Street, right Shuck and cook. Get yourself

(45:14):
a hurricane, drink that bad boy, get yourself some crawfish.
Shuck and cook those things till the cows come home.
We come back, Zach Astroman gonna join us. Indiana getting
set college football playoff. It's going to be here faster
than you know. And I have a tip for those
of you go into the Rose Bowl. We'll get into
it all next. So yes, in fact, the Saints and

(45:36):
the Jets, we've determined it's a weird week in the
league because you just look around. You're like, man, who's
starting at quarterback here? Who's starting there? You just kind
of don't know. Now the college football landscape, obviously, everything
getting underway in the first round of games for the
college football playoffs, and it is still surreal. It is

(46:01):
still with hesitation, even though at this point if you
are sleeping on Indiana at this point, if you are
ruling out Indiana. Why not Indiana?

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Are you going to be out in the boot tonight, Jake,
I am probably.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Well, if you're out late at night, you can tune
into this radio station and catch the game of the
potential winner, who i e will face next week.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
That will determine it all right, Alabama and Oklahoma yep,
with the winner going to the Rose Bowl. Now, if
you are going to the Rose Bowl to watch Indiana,
the one bit of advice I can give you, the
only bit of advice I can give you, is the
fact that and I my understanding is Indiana fans that

(46:45):
bought tickets through Indiana, you didn't really get to pick
where your seat was. You just kind of picked a section.
But and we can ask Zach Osterman from the Indianapolis Star,
who's joining us now on the Java House Peel and
poor guest line whether or not he has Urien's this.

Speaker 10 (47:01):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
He joins us now in the program, Zach, Thank you, Eddie. Zach,
you have or have not been to the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 10 (47:10):
I've never been to the Rose Bowl. I didn't make
the trip last year in Indiana played UCLA.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Okay, because the one thing that it is a I
went this year for the first time. I mean, I've
been outside the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, but going in
as a spectator at an event there. The one thing
that I will tell Indiana fans if you have a chance,
and by now you probably wouldn't, but if you're buying
on the secondary market, try to buy tickets as close

(47:35):
to the end of the aisle as possible because the
sections are literally like fifty five rows or seats across,
and if you're sitting in say twenty seven and twenty eight,
it is like an airplane. It is the tightest the
outside of the parking lot that we have here. It's
the tightest stadium I've ever seen, in the fact that

(47:56):
it's you know, ninety thousand seats or whatever it may be,
and it should be like sixty five thousand, you know
what I mean, but a fabulous venue in Indiana get
to be Their question would be this the better matchup
for Indiana, Alabama or Oklahoma?

Speaker 10 (48:11):
You know, I've obviously discussed this with people for I
guess a couple of weeks now, and I think it
is a difficult question to answer. And the reason why
is because I think a lot of people would lean
Oklahoma because Oklahoma has struggled so consistently to move and
score the ball this season, and you know, frankly, even

(48:34):
if you look at, you know, some of the games
Oklahoma played against teams that were not very good, they
still had some offensive issues. I think the flip side
is if you're sort of saying, does either of these
teams have something about their profile that they do so
exceptionally well that that could win them a game, that
could win them a playoff game just by itself. It

(48:54):
is Oklahoma defense, and so I think you'd probably Oklahoma,
you know, maybe allowing for the possibility of Pi Simpson
really being hurt and you know, you're wanting to see
a more limited quarterback if you see Alabama, I think
you probably lean Oklahoma. But I think that the danger

(49:16):
there is if there's kind of one one of these
two teams that has a unit, has a feature of
itself that can win a game like this just by itself.
Oklahoma's defense can do that at a level that I'm
not sure Alabama can.

Speaker 6 (49:32):
On either side of the ball.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
The Indiana Stories Act, there's nothing literally you and I
could do, Like our sister station just did a fabulous
job as they do every year with the WIBC Salvation
Army radiothon right so they're on the radio and just
NonStop for you know, hours upon hours upon hours. And
you and I could do a radiothon right now and
talk to We're blue in the face, and yet we

(49:56):
still would not be able to properly illustrate how dumb
it would be to rule out anything about Indiana at
this point, you know what I mean, we've kind of
seen that they have now answered every single challenge, But
yet do you still think that people see them despite
being the number one seed? Are they the favorite in

(50:19):
this playoff?

Speaker 10 (50:22):
I don't think they're the favorite, and I'm not sure
I would make them the favorite. That's not because they're Indiana,
that's just because I think on balance, you can still
make me a compelling argument that Ohio State and maybe
Georgia would be slight a favorite ahead of them. And
I haven't looked at it, like the National Championship odds.

(50:45):
I don't know where everybody stacks up. I just think
like as good as Indiana is, you have to acknowledge
that if we're talking about who is the favorite to
win the literal national Championship, that's as narrow as the
margins gets. And I would argue that Indians maybe in
the top three. Like I was texting with a medium

(51:08):
a fellow member of the sort of college media apparatus
in the third quarter of the Big Ten Championship game,
and I said, give me these two teams in Georgia
against the field. I think one of those three teams
wins the national title. I'm sure I'll be wrong, because
I always damn, but I just think like Indiana is in
that rare air. They are one of the teams that

(51:31):
has the inside lane, both because of their seeding and
also because of what they've proven about themselves. I think
it's worth pointing out nobody else has the wins Indiana.
Does you know that's that's kind of one of the
big I'm sorry, they have.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
The two best wins in college football.

Speaker 10 (51:48):
They do. And even if you want to kind of
go a layer below that, a win at Iowa, a
win at Penn State, the way they beat Illinois. I mean,
you know, even the non conference schedule that that was
such a such a controversial sort of talking point in
the in the in the preseason. Well, now two of

(52:10):
those teams one ten games. One of them won their conference,
so you know it, nobody's got the sort of what
have you done on the field resume that Indiana Indiana's got. Now,
I think there are some injury concerns that that may
come to bear on Indiana here in the playoffs. I
also just think, like I said, we're talking about the

(52:31):
narrowest imaginable margin. We're not talking about in Indiana gets
the six wins or seven wins or in Indiana you
know beat You know these games we used to talk
about where we'd say, you know, the winner of this
game has a good shot at a bowl game and
the loser is really going to struggle to find a path.
Now we're talking about being the best team in the country.
And and if you're asking me who I think has

(52:54):
the best chance to win a national title, I think
Indiana is comfortably in the lead pack. I'd probably have
they ever so slightly ahead of them. And then again,
I actually think Kirby has kind of brought Georgia to
the boil at just the right time this season to
put them in that conversation as well.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Zach Osterman is my guest Indianapoli star. He's on the
JAVA house peel and poor guest line, Zach. You look
at the injury for example, to Stephen Day, who you
know as a defensive lineman was a critical tackle for
lost guy for Indiana, and you know, now we know
is not going to be available in the College football playoff.
But let me ask this and see how I can

(53:32):
word this. Does Indiana have more margin for error when
it comes to injury based on the fact that it
is not a roster that is built with huge disparity
between their starters and a bunch of five stars, and
then there are reserves, a bunch of younger players or
three stars, et cetera. There is less drop off per

(53:56):
unit with Indiana. And while they are very good play,
what Indiana's formula for success is is as much about
preparation and execution of what their coach wants versus actual
jump out talent across the board, and that allows for
greater transfer of execution from one player to the next.

(54:20):
Overstating it or some truth to that.

Speaker 10 (54:23):
So I think that's probably fair, at least to a point.
You know, I do think like, however, they solve the
Steven Daily you know sort of problem here, whether it
is just going to the next man up, which is
probably Daniel and Dukeway, who's a sophomore a little bit undersized.
He came over. He was one of the players that

(54:44):
was committed to James Madison out of high school and
flipped his commitment to Indiana when Kurt Signetti and his
staff came over in the Winner of twenty three, whether
it's kicking somebody like Mario Landino, who's played tackle for
basically all of this season but did play a fair
bit of end last season out to the edge, whether

(55:05):
it is maybe running some more odd fronts in the end,
it's been a pretty consistent four down front this season,
but we saw them run quite a bit of odds
front last season, you know, between sort of that two
man game between Mikal Kamara and CJ. West, with James
Carpenter on the other side, or sometimes Lenel Carr on
the other side. I do think at a certain point,

(55:26):
whatever the solution is there, you're giving up something you
can't get back, whether it's experience in you know, let's
not forget just Steven Day, but also Kellen Wyatt, the
Maryland transfer who had looked so promising and was actually
the player whose injury kind of gave Daily a chance
to come to the four a little bit more as

(55:47):
the season went on. Whether it's the fact that you
are having to maybe change the complexion of your defense
a little bit this time of year. That could be
in moving a player like Landino who's been so productive
at tackle. It could be in changing what you're trying
to do sort of schematically and play maybe a little
bit more.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Three three to five.

Speaker 10 (56:05):
I do think at a certain point, you, like I said,
before you start to lose something you can't get back.
But I think to your point, the question is what
is the margin on that sort of loss versus return.
And as long as particularly what I would say is
as long as Indiana's got it's tackle rotations is why
why I don't think Landino maybe moves. As long as

(56:27):
Indiana's got its tackle rotation tight and Indiana's got those
three linebackers healthy, I think that's the heart of this
defense because that is where it is just so hard
to win at the point of attack against Indiana. That
the ends the edges have been really good this season.
Why it was really good before you got hurt. Daily
really came to the four after why I got hurt

(56:50):
Michael Kamaras saddled some injuries. He's also probably just suffered
from maybe getting a little bit more attention this season,
which has probably opened the door for someone like why
their daily to be a little bit more productive. But
the constant has been you know, in soccer, we use
the term called the spine of a team, the players,
the quality of the players that run straight through your team,

(57:12):
from your forward to your midfield, to your center backs
to your goalkeeper. The spine of that defense has been
the strength of its defensive tackle play. Tyrie Tucker has
been the first team All Big Ten player, He's been
an All American. I think Mario Landino probably got the
harsh end of some of that decision, some of those
decisions because he was just as good. And then those
three linebackers and how good they've been, how versatile and

(57:34):
multiple they are. As long as Indiana has got that,
I think they'll be okay. And I don't think that
your assessment is completely unfair. That there is an extent
to which the secret sauce in all this is Brian
Haynes and his ability, especially given some time. And I
think that's important here because he's had time to figure
out he's had the best part of a month, or

(57:56):
he will have had the best part of a month
to figure out here's how we're going to solved this problem.
This wasn't you know, a fix that was concocted on
five today's turnaround between games, he's had time to sort
of go back to the drawing board, rethink it, rescheme it,
and then a bunch of time in practice. Whatever the
solution is, to drill it and repeat it and refine it.

(58:19):
I think that it is probably I think your your
assessment is probably fair.

Speaker 7 (58:23):
There.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
I'm curious of this, Zach. You know, I went to Indiana.
I grew up in Indiana. My friends, the vast majority
of them are I mean, I obviously pretty friends. My
cousin's a huge Purdue booster, you know, et cetera. But
from an Indiana standpoint, the football and the rise with

(58:45):
the football program here, from an interest I see it
with my friends, is this now coming at the cost
of the interest and the nil money and the the
what's the world I'm looking for here? The support of
the basketball program as this continues for football at Indiana.

Speaker 10 (59:08):
You're talking about basically like does it get to a
place where you know, like football is almost siphoning off basketball, correct?

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Is basketball becoming Is basketball quickly becoming the secondary act?

Speaker 10 (59:23):
Yeah, I think that's possible. Now, I think there are
some philosophical sort of questions to acknowledge. They're not just
specific to Indiana. For example, you know football is dramatically
outpacing basketball and popularity in this country. And I think
part of the reason why you have seen Indiana fans

(59:43):
take football so quickly to to sort of their parts
these last two seasons is just because the climate is
right for some for to kind of hand a fan
base a newly successful.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
In and Zach listen, I want to weigh in on
that because I did a whole segment the other day
about this and I have no idea why I feel
this way, but it seems to me. And it's not
because I live in Indiana, and it's not because I
went to Indiana and talked about Indiana. But it feels
to me like there is this passing ships in the

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night of the sports fan interest and passion about college
football in this country going in one direction and rising
quickly before our very eyes. And college basketball and it's
blue bloods, the Kentucky's, the Kansas Is, the Louisville's, the Dukes,
all going through this weird transitional era that is hurting

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the overall regular season interest level of college basketball. Am
I wrong?

Speaker 10 (01:00:48):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
I think that's fair.

Speaker 10 (01:00:49):
That was kind of the other thing I was going
to get to, which is that I think that where,
and lord knows, it's far from perfect, but where this
intersection of rev new sharing and NIL and the portal
has almost you know, given college football this this sort
of NFL draft and free agency kind of you know,

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off season electricity. I know it doesn't happen dur any offseason,
but we've almost kind of we've built a mill a
media industrial complex around covering that the same way that
we do the draft, the same way that we do
free agency. I don't think, well, I will be the
first to acknowledge that the portal and all that at
least keeps college basketball in sort of the public consciousness

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for another six to eight weeks a year. I don't
think that necessarily that has been good for the college
basketball product in the way that it has been accepted
as good for the college football product. And that may
be a little bit of confirmation biased like if you
just if you just like football more than basketball as
a sports watching population, then you're gonna like the stuff

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that comes with football off the field more than you're
going to like the stuff that comes with basketball at
the court. But I think that where I don't think
I have seen and I don't know if this is
a large numbers thing. I don't know if this is
just a this is really just like a philothophical shift
between the two sports. But I think there has been
a lot less sort of revulsion and rejection at the

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idea of the portal and roster turnover in football than
there has been a basketball And it could be, like
I said, it could be a numbers thing where you
can bring in twenty five new guys thirty five new
guys every year and there will still be fifty players
on your team that were there the year before. In
football that you recognize that you've cheered for, that your
kids met at pep rally event or whatever. But you

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turn over nine guys on a basketball roster, even seven
guys on a basketball roster, and suddenly the whole thing
seems different. So that might be part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I mean, there's something to Zach no doubt when you're like, now, now,
is that the Elon guy or is that the DePaul guy?
I forget you know what I mean? And you do
get into that, sure.

Speaker 10 (01:03:01):
Yeah, and listen, Indiana is also in this moment at
you know, I'm hesitant to use Indiana as too much
of a sort of like trend setter, because Indiana is
kind of at the extreme ends of this right now.
On the football side, it is realizing success that it
has never known. That that is just historic, beyond what

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would have been previously considered possible. And on the basketball side,
it's the first year of a new coach who turned
over his entire roster, his entire staff. It's possible that
these things equal out a little bit in two to
three years, that sort of water finds its level, and
we don't we don't look at these two sort of
programs of being quite the extremes they are right now.

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But the last thing I would say to your point,
everyone knows this basketball is not the currency that is
that is going to spind your way into safety in
college sports in the future. That you know, every one
knows there is another round of consolidation coming probably in
the next five to eight years once a lot of

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these TV deals start to be renegotiated at the start
of the next decade. Football is what's going to keep
you in the room and the music stops. Football is
what's going to make sure that you have a chair
to sit in. Basketball is something like one tenth of
like the media rights equation here, Football is like, you know,

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eight point nine.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
It's why during conference realignment nobody cared where Kentucky and
Kansas ended up exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:04:35):
And so there is also that I think fans not
that this is good for the sport. I'm not saying
that something that should be celebrated, but I think even
fans have come to sort of recognize and support the
idea that if you have the opportunity to be good
at football right now, that's something you've got to go

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all in on. Now there's again, like you said, we
could talk ourselves blue in the face about all of this.
There are some other changes that I suspect are going
to happen in the revshare in NIL states in the
next few years, next couple of years, maybe that that
are going to make it a little bit easier for
athletics departments to fund both of these sports. A little
bit more fully. In particular, I think you're I think

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there's a decent chance you're going to see UH schools
allowed to add scholarships in non revenue sports without that
counting against the revshare camp, and then basically all the
revshare money would just buy a large go to basketball
and football. But it is, you know, listen, it is.
I think it is possible at once to say Indiana

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is a bit of an extreme case right now, and
that using Indiana as sort of the Canarian the coal
mine is probably a little bit dangerous, while also acknowledging
that Indiana undeniably reflects the wider sort of trend in
college athletics, which is that football in financial, competitive, political,
coal and cultural importance is dramatically outfacing basketball, and there's

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not really an end insight on that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
By the way, Canary and the coal Mine is a
great song by the Police. I've never really understood what
the term means. Do you know what the term means?

Speaker 10 (01:06:13):
Coal Miners used to bring canaries with them into the
mines before we had carbon monoxide detection equipment, because this
was always my understanding of the phrase anyway, because the
canary would succumb to carbon monoxide poisoning much more quickly
than a human would, and if the canary passed out
or died, then the coal miners would know that there

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was a carbon monoxide lead somewhere and they needed to
get out of the mine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
That seems you know, unfair, right it does? Yeah, Okay,
that makes it. I don't know why the canary though, Like,
why not? You know, I mean, there canaries seem like
nice birds. Didn't do anything to anybody, good singers, right,
I mean, you know, there's a lot to like about
a canary, you know, why not a blue jay? They're
very aggressive birds. They they're you know, they can be

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a bit of a pest so to speak.

Speaker 6 (01:07:04):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:07:04):
Yeah, I mean I think it was. I think it
was the ease of use of getting a scenario into
a cage and bringing it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:09):
Down into the months.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Just one in your local pet store, get a canary. Well,
I'll tell you that that frank guy that wears that
that little light on his head, he's in here getting
canaries four or five times a week. What's up with
that guy? He better have a newspaper subscription. That guy's
got a lot of birds.

Speaker 11 (01:07:26):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Lastly, what is Indiana Zach real quick. You know, as
Indiana gets set now to go out to Pasadena, has
Kurt Signetti handled his I know that he said, you know,
I got to get these guys humbled and and you
know the phrase that he uses right hard wore humble.
Is their schedule changed at all? Have they gone about
have they Have they backed off a little bit to

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get rested? Have they gone full bore? Are they simply
waiting to see who they're gonna play? What's been the
schedule for Indiana football.

Speaker 10 (01:07:56):
Yeah, so they just kind of fire back up this week.
They got some time off kind of in the immediate
aftermath as a Big Ten championship game, which was always
the plan. You know, Signetti kind of I think outlined
with us even before the game against Ohio State basically
that it would it would sort of be a like
immediately following everyone would get some rest. There'd be a

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lot of focus on, you know, getting guys healthy, getting
guys as fresh as possible, getting treatment into players who's
maybe been playing with injuries and different things like that.
This week is the week that they were kind of
going to get back to work. You know that that
Signetti has said he and his staff were kind of
going to be balancing between self scout and then some
Oklahoma from Alabama. We've heard individual players, including Fernana Mendoza,

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kind of talk about how they probably watched a little
bit of both teams. But typically, you know, as with
a lot of Bowl prep, you do spend a little
bit of time focusing on yourself. You spend a little
bit of time sort of saying, Okay, let's go back
some things that we weren't able to work on and
the sort of meat grinder of the season. Let's maybe
clean up some fundamental things that we saw really develop

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over the last months. Again, let's try to get some
guys healthy. And then I think you're really going to
see Indiana beginning to prepare in earnest once it knows
obviously it's opponent. The only thing that I think is
it's probably different from like the old sort of standard
Bowl practice set up is that you ended you used
to use your Bowl practices as almost a like a

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second spring seasonally, and you would you would give your
young players. Yeah, exactly, I think that that that's probably gone.
Now you have to spend more of this time on
the guys that are going to be on the field,
because you know, listen, you know you're basically entering almost

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like a season onto itself. Now, if if Indiana wins
this game, they'll turn around and have one week to
prepare for whoever they play in the Beach Bowl. And
if they win that game, they'll have a little bit
more time to prepare for the national title. But like it,
once you get back into that rhythm, there's not going
to be time to sort of break back out of
it and you know, get a little bit more fundamental
or philosophical again. So I think that's the only thing

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that's really changed now from the old ball prep is
that your younger players, the ones that aren't necessarily going
to be involved in these games, probably aren't getting as
much sort of quality on field time as if. Coach
you used to almost look at bull prep as like
you've got a second spring season. Now I think it
is much more about whether you have to buy or
you don't. The playoff is we are intensely focused on

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us here now and getting ready for whatever now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
I have been in bowl seasons since September of nineteen
seventy two because it was at that time I began
focusing on myself.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
And I've never stopped. I'm not going to lie to
you about.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
That, said Zach Ostraman Osterman from the Indianapolis Star Indiana
football basketball as well. Again, Hoo's yours on the basketball
side of things taking on Chicago State. That game is tomorrow.
You can hear on our sister station WIBC. Zach appreciate
the time as always on the Joba House peel of
poor guest line.

Speaker 10 (01:10:58):
Absolutely thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Now, Zach was talking about balance, right, things be balanced,
and I hear all the time we're imbalanced. Our coverage
is imbalanced. Guess what not this time? Because you talked
about Purdue. I mentioned Purdue taking on Auburn Big One
Saturday six thirty. Voice of the Boilers Rob Blackman. Next,
you know, this is one day Sting was recording and

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then he had himself one of the Wrangular Energy drinks
from Java House. Got a little extra step song, got
a little faster, great song, Jake.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
What do you think would happen if you just took
the shot of the pod of the Monster Energy instead
of adding it to the water be.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
A little sweet. I mean, I think any way that
you were to do it any of the pods from
Java House would be outstanding, but you mix them with
the water I did yesterday. I you know, I told
you exactly how it works, right, did you? By the way,
I don't know what's what's happening? Are are you launching

(01:12:04):
a rocket in there? What's going what's going on?

Speaker 8 (01:12:07):
Do we know?

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Is everything okay? All of a sudden, All of a sudden,
I just heard it sounded like the sound I was
making yesterday with an actual coffee maker. Before you just
take the pot and you put in the water. There's
your instant beverage.

Speaker 7 (01:12:18):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
It appears there's some construction right outside the building.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
I know he.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Just has the steps finished.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
I understand, but have you checked to make sure that
guy's not actually coming in the window. I don't know
if that went out over the radio or not, but
for a split second there, it was a little bit disconcerting.
I saw the look on your face, and Eddie, who who?
I'm not gonna lie to you, Eddie, for most of
today's been one aspiren from a coma. But all of
a sudden, the canary in the coal mine of the

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sound of a buzz saw outside, and Eddie jumped up
like I've never seen before.

Speaker 6 (01:12:54):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
That was like you coming out of the catcher stance
and somebody's trying to get the second.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
I will also say this, I love this new studio
in here for me because it gives me the.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Ability to actually stand up more.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
It's great.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Previous I was just you know, stuck to the grounds.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
I mean, they've done a state of the art job,
have our engineers and putting this stuff together for us.
Joining us now on the job of house Peel and
port guest line. He is the radio voice of the
Purdue boiler Makers. Purdue with a big one against Auburn
coming up. As it can seem it seems, Rob Blackman,
I think you'd agreed with me on this. It seems
like the produced schedule. Literally every single time you turn around,

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it's a different ranked team staring in the face.

Speaker 6 (01:13:29):
Yeah, and I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
I would also give a tip of the cap to
Auburn as well, who's going to be their fourth top
ten team. They've played already this year. They this will
be their twelfth game and for the twelve have been
to the top ten. So you have two teams that
have not been bashful about the scheduling high level competition,
and you know some of that stuff like old for instance,

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when Purdue played in the Bahamas. You know, you don't
have any real control over that. Whoever makes the tournament
push together the schedule. So the fact you got Texas
Tech certainly helped, but there's no way knowing going into it.
But yeah, the least as far as the games that
produce has been able to schedule at their own position.
Matt Painter, as he's been doing the last five, six,
seven years. I've done everything in its power to make

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sure you put together quality schedule and hopefully put enough
good teams on there to get you ready for the
Big ten portion of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Okay, when you mentioned top ten games and robins the
first time, you know, I realized that there have been
games since then, two of them as a matter of fact.
But I want to go back to this. One of
the advantages of scheduling yourself and challenging yourself via schedule
is you know, you could learn things or take away
things for the regular season. That's really what it's all about.

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But Iowa State came in. It is the largest margin
of victory on the road between two Top ten teams
out of conference, I believe in college basketball history with
what Iowa State was able to do to completely control Purdue,
did they expose anything of purduing that game?

Speaker 6 (01:15:01):
Boy, good question.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
I think the only thing, the one thing they exposed
at least answered a question for Purdue that Perdue wasn't
quite sure of the answer. And now they know it
is that Purdue's big three Brayden and Fletcher and Trey
Kaufman Wan cannot have a mediocre to bad day all
on the same day, not against quality opponent, at least
not right now. Matt Painter has said as much. As

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a matter of fact, he talked about that earlier this week.
I recorded a podcast with him and he was talking
about that. When you look at Purdue and where they
are right now, this very second December or whatever it's nineteenth,
I guess December nineteenth. Purdue is not good enough right
now to survive a day when all three, when you're
big three, have mediocre to poor days, which is what

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happened that day.

Speaker 6 (01:15:47):
And look, we're going to be truthful here. It was
really just one bad half.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
You know, Purdue was down four in the first half,
and as actually we're doing Okay, it was just the second.

Speaker 6 (01:15:56):
Half got awfully ugly there for Purdue.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
But so that's probably the one the answer that came
out of that that you were kind of thinking, well,
I'm not sure about this.

Speaker 6 (01:16:05):
Well now you know. Now you know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
And as Matt Painter you mentioned earlier in the week
when I talked to him. So now the goal is
the trick is what do we need to do to
put ourselves in a position where, if indeed that would
happen again, say, somewhere in the Big ten schedule, can
we find a way to win, because right now not
good enough to do that. If you can work your
way towards being able to do that when the Big

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three are playing well on the same day and still
find a way to win, and then you've really made
some progress. But that's the one thing to me I
think that came out of that game.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Rob. Every once in a while, and I know this
will shock you, Rob Blackman, our guest job, a house
peel and poor guest line. Every once in a while
I come up with terms to allow my brain to
illustrate things. And then I realized that I'm the only
one that understands the term. Okay, so let me give
you a term and then I'm going to explain it
to you. Okay, I call it that Darren the Darren

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Hancock phenomenon. Now I'm assuming that you are unfamiliar with
the name Darren Hancock.

Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
Correct, I am unfamiliar.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Okay, it is not Herbie Hancock that was rocket, but
Darren Hancock was a When I was at the University
of Kansas a billion years ago and KU was really good,
and the big buzz was they had signed the number
one transfer in the country, Darren Hancock, that was a
high fly in twenty plus point per game score out
of junior college, and he was going to be the

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final piece for KU. And he got there, and while
Kansas was good, he just never found footing and never
as good as he was, he wasn't good for them.
It just didn't work, Okay. And you see that a
lot with transfers that are upperclassmen, because they already have
set in their ways kind of the style in which

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they play. And I was curious as to whether or
not Oscar Kluff would be a Darren Hancock phenomenon, and
it seems to be the complete opposite. Is this as
good an acclamation for a guy as you have seen
on Purdue rosters.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
Well, I would put it in the argument with Lance
Jones if we're just talking grad transfers for one year.

Speaker 6 (01:18:15):
I think getting Purdue fan would.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Admit Lance Jones was the missing peach that got Purdue
to the Final Four. Even though he was the worst
three point shooter on the team, if you just go
percentages as far as the guys that were shooting the
most of them. Even though his turnover numbers were way
too high, he still was the missing piece that Purdue
needed from his effort on the defensive end and the
fact that he could hit.

Speaker 6 (01:18:37):
The big shot.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
You never knew when it was coming, but he could
do it. So I would put those two in that
same argument. I have to tell you, Jake, he was
of course, last spring was so crazy you had because
the transfer portal had opened up. Purdue was in Indianapolis
getting ready to play in Sweet sixteen. So you know, look,
this wasn't immune the just lose. I should say it

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is Purdue coaches, but anyone who is still in the
Sweet sixteen was in this predicament. If you're trying to
coach your team and get ready to try to advance
in the NCAA tournament, but the transfer portal windows open,
so you're also trying to make your team better for
next year. So you have all these different things on
your plate. And I'm telling you this story because I
can promise you spending enough time with the Purdue coaches
in downtown Indy last year prepping for that Houston Sweet

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sixteen game, there was a whole lot of discussion about
Oscar Cluck is the guy we absolutely have to have.
You know, you said, okay, you can get one guy
from the portal, but you have to sell your soul
to the devil. It would have been Oscar club that.
It's how sold they were on what they thought he
could bring to this team, sure enough that these do
the first eleven games he has done just that. I

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mean he's the number one field goal percent percentage to
make seventy five percent. I mean he doesn't take bad shots.
He takes shots he knows he can make. And that's
why averaging twelve points a game. It's one thing if
you're averaging two points a game, right, but he's averaging
twelve points, it's a game. Shooting seventy five percent, he's
a good pre throw shooter eighty one percent house shooter,
and he leaves the country in offensive rebounding percentage. So

(01:20:08):
everything for due needed in the portal they got. And yes,
you never know when you know you're talking about your
guy Hancock. You never know when you bring those guys in.
You're watching one film as much as you can that
you know, the coaches do their their due diligence, They
talk to other coaches or the players whatever in DA scouts,
all these guys that big trust, but you never really know.
But the fact that Oscar Cluff has yes acclimated himself

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not only just to be a good player, but apparently
it seems to have have plugged every single hole that
needed plugged to have an elite team again. This year
has had a come story.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
And I don't mean this to be on the negative
side of it, rob, but I'm curious, has the reliability
and the just the minutes that Kluff is giving them
has that come at the cost of anything else? In
other words, maybe taking away a little bit from the
establishment offensive have Trey Kaufman Wren who has still been
very very good, or the growth of Daniel Jacobson, or

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is it really the perfect balance kind of across all three.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
Yeah, I think the perfect balance, And especially with Trey
Kaufman wren his scoring numbers are down, but that's actually
a good thing for Purdue. You know, Trey last year
averaged twenty points six points a game that was top
ten in the country. He's down to thirteen points a
game this year. The reason Purdue has another viable option
in the low post, actually two of them, and Jacobson
and Kluff. So last year when Purdue through the ball inside,

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they were throwing it to one guy. Let's all be
very quite host throwing it to one guy, Trey Kaufman Wrenn.

Speaker 7 (01:21:36):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
Now you have three guys that you feel comfortable throwing
the ball to in the low cost. The other thing
that's really helped Trey with is is rebounding. You know,
last year, Trey always had to go against the bigger
centers in the league, so his rebounding numbers weren't great
six and a half or so a game. This year,
there you know, he's a ten point four rebounds a game,
which is top ten in the country, mainly because now
he gets to rebounding against guys his size. The other

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four is the other power forward, So it's really helped
Trey's game. Again, if you're just looking across the board
statistically and you look at points only, you're like, yeah,
is Trey taking a step back. I don't think he's
saying a step back at all. He's actually flourished from
the fact that now he has a guy down there
on Oscar Cluff And look, this is not Zach Edy. Like, Okay,
I don't want to I think I made a mistake

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earlier talking to some posts. I said, oh, you know,
you know Zach Edy. It was similar numbers when Zach
Edy was playing per Tray. No, Oscar Cluff is not
Zach Edy. Making no mistake about that. However, there are
enough similarities there that have at least allows Trey to
play his own natural position and really relish in that position.
So yeah, well the scoring numbers might be down, I

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think as a whole, if you're just looking at the
team as a whole, it's actually been better for this
whole team. And Trey Kaufman ran himself.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
I just think Trey Kaufman wran this year, Caleb first
before him. If you are a fan of college basketball,
if you were a fan of doing things the right way.
If you are a fan of selflessness and team concept
in what has become fewer, and if you're a fan

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of Indiana football and you like the fact that it
is players that are doing what their coach needs as
opposed to what their resume needs, then you should be
a fan of pretty basketball because Trey Kaffman wren and
that sacrifice of yeah, I'm going to lose forty percent
of my scoring, but it's what's best for my team.
Caleb First, Yeah, I'm going to go from being a starter,

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but I'm going to go to med school and I'm
going to do what needs to be done. It's what's
best for my team. And these guys coming back and
sticking with it, Rob, I just think it is a
blueprint in college basketball that literally everybody in this country
that likes sports should admire. And I think that that
absolutely exemplifies it well.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
And I love to tell a story of Trey Common Wrenn.
The reason he's a fifty of your players because he
voluntarily took a red shirt as a freshman.

Speaker 6 (01:24:00):
I mean, think about that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
He was the Gatorade Player of the Year in the
state of Indiana. Okay, we're not We're not talking about
you know, Hawaii, no offense to Hawaii high school bass.

Speaker 6 (01:24:09):
We're talking to Indiana, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
And he voluntarily took a red shirt because he knew
it would be best for his for his long term
career as a college player. So yeah, that's a guy
that has it all together.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
And I'm with you, man.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
I watched that Heisman acceptance speech from Fernando Mendoza, and
I was like, Rodert, What a great dude, What an
absolutely great not only college athlete, but just great human beings.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Just ambassador, right.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
Absolutely, what a great ambassador for Indiana University.

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
Forget the football part.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
Uh, but Trey very similar for Purdue. And you know
you mentioned Caleb first and others. Yes, isn't it refreshing
as a fan?

Speaker 10 (01:24:48):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
To see these young people that put the team first,
the team goals ahead of their individual accolades, and then
and they're smart enough to know. Obviously, I don't can't
speak for Mendoza, and I can't speak for Craik coffin Rin,
but I can only assume they're smart enough to know
if I'm on a really really good team, right, and
I'm a really really good player, I'm going to get.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
My I'm gonna get my shot right Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:25:09):
Absolutely, that's all it comes down to. I don't have
to have average twenty a game here.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
I can average thirteen and ten on the sixth range
team in the country, and I'm still going to get
the attention that I need.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Do you know the best thing about being the Gatorade
Player of the Year in Hawaii?

Speaker 7 (01:25:25):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:25:25):
My goodness, No, no, I do not.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
You're in Hawaii.

Speaker 6 (01:25:31):
Right there, man, true.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Like, also, there's a kid right now. There's a kid
right now in Hawaii that's sipping his Gatorade out of
an iced tea glass and he's like, really, seventy five
and Sonny out here, big boy? Are things out there?

Speaker 6 (01:25:47):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
You know I'm saying. I mean, unless it's Greg Brady
trying to take some surfing waves, things are pretty good
in Hawaii, you know. I mean, don't kid yourself. Rob,
you know.

Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
Oh, I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
If it was up to me, you would play in
the Malley Invitation.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Let's go right, yep. But it is Auburn perduing Auburn
coming up six point thirty on Saturday. Rob Blackman will
be on the call. Rob. If we do not talk
to you have a very very healthy and happy holiday season.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
Man, we'll do Jake, thank you and Merry Christmas to you.
And yeah, let's chat again some time in the new year.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
All right, sounds good. That is Rob Blackman joining us
on the Java House Peel and poor guest line we
come back. There was a story that took place and
two athletes in this town that seemed to constantly in
my mind be connected with one another, and an epiphany
hit me today of another connection between the two. I

(01:26:40):
will tell you about that, and Kevin Bowen joins us
top of the hour. You know, I was thinking about
that earlier. We need to start designating some new titles
for people in the new year, right, and we need
them to record themselves like that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
What'll we do with Paul there?

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
You know, Paul actually sounds right there like maybe he
had called in yesterday when we were getting the heal it.
But that's Paul's natural giddy voice, it is. I was
asked a fascinating question earlier today.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
By who who asked you the question?

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
A listener texted me, we have listeners at like six
three one, seven, five two three ninety two eighty eight
is my cell phone number?

Speaker 6 (01:27:20):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Every once in a while, I just say, can we
do a roll call and see if there are people
because it is a Friday, and it's a nice day
outside and people are getting set for the could be
Christmas shopping, odd week at Christmas shopping for that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:31):
So if you just tuned in, make sure you download
the podcast leader for our conversation with or Najoel Ayoks
And that was yesterday earlier in the week. But Zach Ostman,
Osterman and Rob BLACKMN so to come, Kevin Bone top
of the hour.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
H again five to two, three ninety two eighty eight.
If you want to give me a roll call shout,
that's cool. But this is a really good question that
was posed to me. Hey Jake, in listening to the
conversation about Anthony Richardson and his vision possibly being impaired,
my question is is there any discussion about a possible

(01:28:06):
lawsuit on his behalf against the rubber band company. I'm
thinking this was a freak accident that could potentially cost
him millions. I am not a person necessarily of litigation,
although I do have locked and loaded here my letter
that several letters going out and getting ready for the

(01:28:26):
Why not Indiana infringement by the way, but the it
created in my mind, My memory went back to this,
and I don't think that they are connected, but it
is to me, it was like this epiphany I had

(01:28:48):
Anthony Richardson to this point of his career as a
cult is the Jonathan Bender of the Colts. Jonathan Bender
a play that the Pacers. Of course, going into the
two thousand season, they traded Antonio Davis. Antonio Davis had

(01:29:10):
gone in to Donnie Walsh. He had told them of
his desire to start, and Donnie always whenever a player
would request a trade, Donnie would try to facilitate it.
And Donnie also had a policy that before trading any player,
he would bring that player in to let him know

(01:29:32):
that he was in discussion to be traded. The only
player he did not do that for was Jalen Rose,
and I know that Donnie Walsh has always regretted that.
But and Jalen Rose was part of a trade with
a higher number of players. Travis Best was involved with that,
and then they brought back Brad Miller, Ron Mercer, Kevin
Ollie and run our test. But the Antonio Davis trade,

(01:29:59):
when they trade him, they traded him for the draft
rights to Jonathan Bender, who Toronto had selected and Bender
and when I say this, people laugh at me every time.
The Pacers made that trade for Jonathan Bender. A because
at that time they had a roster that was not
in need of immediate influx. And b they saw Jonathan

(01:30:20):
Bender as a Kevin Durant type player. And this was
before Kevin Durant, But as they envisioned basketball becoming increasingly positionless,
they saw Jonathan Bender as one that could play virtually
any position and they were fascinated by his skill set
and his versatility and his range at his size. Jonathan

(01:30:46):
Bender was star crossed in his career by knee issues
and consistent injuries that would pop up to the point
where people got frustrated and started labeling him as a
bust because it just never got footing here. And Anthony
Richardson from the time that he has been here has

(01:31:08):
been indeed kind of made of glass, and the consistency
of injury has prohibited him from being able to totally
show what he could do. But he was drafted here
inside the top five because of the physical gifts and
attributes about him that were so intriguing and still are

(01:31:30):
and it was not in a Jonathan Bender was a
short window of time. He was in Peaky in Mississippi.
He was not a big time recruit. And then he
has a McDonald's All American Game where he sets the
record for points in a McDonald's All American Game. And
he had grown to all of a sudden being this
freak seven footer that played like he was six'. Five
And Anthony richardson was not a household. Name he was

(01:31:53):
a late developer that all of a sudden became essentially
This adonnis that played a limited number of games at,
four but the imagination of what it could be was so.
Intriguing Jonathan bender's career came to an end because of
an arthritis in his knees that was attributed to as

(01:32:14):
a kid jumping off of the roofs of houses from
one to the next and climbing trees and jumping out of.
Them AND i was once In Picky you In mississippi
and met up with his high school coach who drove
me around and, said, yeah those stories were absolutely. True
but When Jonathan bender was retired from THE nba from
The pacers after a literally a medical settlement for the

(01:32:38):
pacers from THE. Nba he himself developed a knee strengthening
device using a rubber, band and he used household devices
that still to this. Day Jonathan bender not only did
it allow him to recapture his career and sign With
New york and play for the next at the end

(01:33:01):
of his career once his knee had by his own,
fruition repaired, itself but it was because of a device
of a rubber stretch band that he was able to do.
That AND i don't, KNOW i don't believe that that
is the company That Anthony richardson was. USING i Think
richardson was using not an altogether one piece, thing but

(01:33:23):
simply was rather using a rubber band around an otherwise stationary.
DEVICE i think that's what. Happened but will there be
a lawsuit against that, BAND i don't, Know BUT i
did think it was interesting that in thinking about the
parallels between those two, players one of which would have
had the rubber band device that he essentially invented that

(01:33:48):
jump started or rejumped his, career and the other of
which had a freak accident of one of those kinds
of devices or idea is that potentially now has stalled
his career and we'll see whether or not he comes.
Back the discussion about his vision and what the vision

(01:34:09):
might be For Anthony richardson was a big topic. Yesterday
Kevin bowen was there for all of, that And kevin
joins us. Next, eddie do you happen to have the
breaking news? Sounder this Just. DAN i would like for
you to please welcome and Thank. Stacy stacy with an

(01:34:33):
e female, listener thirty Five eddie checking in up to
thirty Five, now female, listeners did you ever think you'd
see the? DAY i wonder if her mom's got to
go it? On, OKAY i think we're done. Here, okay
well thanks. Everybody Shave me's up, next joining us, now

(01:34:58):
And i'm sure thrilled to be doing. So based on
that little. Interchange he is on The Java House peel
And poor guest, Line Kevin. Bowen you hear him in
the mornings and he has been camped out over at
The Colts complex on this week where it is A.
Monday so we still got another show before we get
Into colts game stuff With San. Francisco BUT i want
to begin with, This. KEVIN i thought, yesterday but, again

(01:35:20):
your boots on the, ground you're able to see and
sometimes you can just tell the temperative things by being
in the room and seeing people's. Reactions it felt to
me like there were mixed messages between AND i don't
mean that maliciously Between Shane stikeen And Anthony richardson as
to the severity of the eye injury For Anthony richardson

(01:35:41):
and the vision moving forward your thoughts by being there
front and center for.

Speaker 9 (01:35:47):
It, yeah AND i think there's definitely been times where
in pertuiar With. Richardson you, know sometimes you, know maybe
What shane has said or what the organization has said
is not necessarily been either heard By richardson or or you, know,
again maybe it sounds a little different to. HIM i
probably walked away from yesterday as more just player downplaying,
injury which happens in every. SPORT i don't think it

(01:36:11):
was necessarily you, know the same thing as maybe some
past mixed.

Speaker 12 (01:36:15):
MESSAGING i think there's.

Speaker 9 (01:36:16):
A very real vision impairment, here and he's gonna have,
to you, KNOW i guess deal with fit for the time.
Being maybe it gets, better maybe it does, not but
that's the reality of where he's. At so you, KNOW
i don't know if you can make a comparison of a,
whatever a person that wears contacts and then they're asked
to do some sort of activity or sporting event without

(01:36:37):
contacts in and you know how that sort of impairment would.
Go but, AGAIN i mean HE'S i, mean the retina
has been. Damaged there is scarring on his eye that
is causing some blurred.

Speaker 12 (01:36:48):
Vision it could, heal it might.

Speaker 9 (01:36:50):
Not we'll see what, happens maybe in the off season
if another procedure is.

Speaker 12 (01:36:53):
Needed but.

Speaker 9 (01:36:55):
You, KNOW i did Think shane's, words if he's going
to have to manage it was probably one of the
more jar comments of the.

Speaker 12 (01:37:00):
Day you, know it's one thing to manage.

Speaker 9 (01:37:02):
A sprained, ankle to manage you, know some level of
imparavision to getting not to the point where he can't
drive or can't you, know obviously attempts of practice in.
Football but, whatever if twenty twenty is you, know not
necessarily there for, him you, know that's what he's gonna.

Speaker 12 (01:37:18):
Have to deal, with you, Know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Kevin the one of the QUESTIONS i had about, this
AND i don't, know it was explained a little bit
yesterday AND i was hoping you might. KNOW i. Don't
MAYBE i don't think he brought it out to show,
Everybody BUT i was just talking, about you, know any
gym you see there are devices now they have. That
it has basically a plastic you, know round area that

(01:37:43):
you put your foot, on and then it has two
handles with rubber and you pull those out and that
stretches your leg and your arms both and it's all one.
Contraption was it something like that that broken? Snapback or
did he simply have bands that he was using, to,
like you, know wrap around a post or something and
the post itself snapped and came back and hit. Him

(01:38:05):
or do we? Know the reason? Why is because somebody
had asked me if there was a manufacturer or malfunction
that could be responsible for, this and then you get
into a whole other, area which sounds, ludicrous but at
the same TIME i thought was a fair. Question.

Speaker 12 (01:38:19):
YEAH i, mean he tried to explain it.

Speaker 9 (01:38:21):
YESTERDAY i don't believe it is the elastic band. ITSELF
i believe that it's part affiliated with, it some sort
of whatever bar. Mechanism, AGAIN i don't know that.

Speaker 12 (01:38:32):
For, sure but that is my assumption with.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
That so it was all one.

Speaker 9 (01:38:36):
Contraption, YEAH i, MEAN i don't know if he a blastic,
band you, know whatever goes on the, bar or you
know how exactly that. Works BUT i believe that is
the part that, broke that caused the orbital, fracture which
caused the trauma in the, eye and which caused the you,
KNOW i think there was a real period there where
they thought potentially he could lose his. Vision and you,
know if Everything i've, gathered it's rather unprecedented for a

(01:38:58):
quarterback to be dealing with and thing like. THIS i,
mean you could say many, athletes but in particularly a.
QUARTERBACK i guess if you're looking for a little bit of,
optimism it is the right. Eye so for the right handed,
QUARTERBACK i think you'd probably if you had obviously it's
not ideal for, either but you, know blind sidewise would
be more of your left eye kind of looking over that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Shoulder so you.

Speaker 9 (01:39:22):
Know but, again this is a very gruesome and quite
the ugly scene when it all unfold the, form and
like he said, yesterday you, know there's a point in
time early in the recovery.

Speaker 12 (01:39:32):
Process which is now two months.

Speaker 9 (01:39:34):
Plus that he thought TODAY i yesterday wouldn't have been,
possible like him even practicing this, season so clearly he
has made enough progress with his vision that he is
able to do.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
That to, Me Kevin, bowen the easy answer is, This
AND i know that there's still football to be played this,
year but it seems almost a foregone conclusion now that
you simply frame Franchise Daniel, Jones you tag, Him you
get him for one more year so that you can
see where he is without having commitment beyond that. Year

(01:40:10):
in other, words you don't sign him right out of
a four year, deal which they may have been on
the collision course towards doing or the inevitability towards doing
Before jones got. Hurt so now you franchise tag him
and you just see where you, are and maybe you
have someone else that takes over for the first couple
of games before he then gets back out onto the.
Field in playing, circumstance talking about next, year you think

(01:40:31):
that's a fair.

Speaker 9 (01:40:31):
Assessment, well that's an expensive you, know franchise tag If
Daniel jones isn't going to. PLAY i, mean If i'm not,
MISTAKEING i think it's north of forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Million so But it's only one year, though so you're
only committing yourself for a, year because wouldn't it be
more expensive if you gave him a three or four
year deal and then find out that he is not
the same.

Speaker 9 (01:40:52):
Guy, WELL i think guess what The colts gonna have
to find out here before Mid march is you, know
do you sit down to this team and obviously a
team's going to want to try and squeeze every, dollar
but you, know you sit there and, say, hey you,
know there's a good chance, whatever he's going to.

Speaker 12 (01:41:05):
Be limited some capacity here in twenty twenty.

Speaker 9 (01:41:06):
Six you know what if we did whatever fifteen million
this first year and then you, know the second and
the third year has a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:41:13):
More money on.

Speaker 12 (01:41:14):
That, now you know, again them saying yes.

Speaker 9 (01:41:17):
To that is probably a, different you, know answer for.
You BUT i mean slapping it for Chise tag if
you are skeptical about his availability for forty six million
dollars for one year just seems really really. RICH i
get that quarterbacks can create a lot of, leverage but
that's a lot. NOW i think internally The colts feel

(01:41:38):
Like Daniel jones is going to be ready and could
be ready as early As week one now ready and.

Speaker 12 (01:41:43):
Playing you, know quality.

Speaker 9 (01:41:45):
Football probably two different answers, There but like IF i
were a betting man right, NOW i think The. Colts
if you ask me how The colts view, IT i
THINK i Think Daniel jones would be The week one.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
Starter Does daniel Does Daniel jones want to be Back?

Speaker 5 (01:41:57):
Kevin BECAUSE i go back to, that you know that
in post teammate and we have to over analyze these
things just because we don't get to talk to, athletes
especially after they suffer. Injuries but WHEN i read, that
it sounded and looked like a goodbye message to the
fans and to The colts.

Speaker 8 (01:42:11):
PLAYERS i, BOY i.

Speaker 12 (01:42:15):
Don't i'd have to go back and read.

Speaker 9 (01:42:16):
IT i. DON'T i don't remember myself reading that much into.
IT i, mean maybe a goodbye for twenty twenty, five of,
Course BUT i MEAN i think if you Were Daniel,
jones you have to look at the situation here and
realize on and off the field it helped your career.
Greatly he doesn't strike me as necessarily the big city.

Speaker 12 (01:42:36):
Guy and you, KNOW i Could minnesota.

Speaker 7 (01:42:39):
Re enter the.

Speaker 9 (01:42:39):
PICTURE i, mean they obviously liked him, enough and, uh you,
know they did go WITH jj. McCarthy we'll see how
McCarthy plays, out and you, know they they'll probably go
down that path. Again but you, know that could be
a team that enters. It BUT i think everything That
Shane stiken did for, him absuming it's the same, REGIME
i would think it would, make you, know certainly sense
for The jones camp to want to be.

Speaker 12 (01:42:59):
Here and he's already made.

Speaker 9 (01:43:01):
A lot of money in HIS nfl, career not that
you're just simply trying to go to wherever top dollar is.
Everywhere but you, know IF i were, HIM i would, say,
well the situation worked out pretty well for, me and
you know the other one.

Speaker 12 (01:43:14):
Didn't so you, know.

Speaker 9 (01:43:15):
Maybe not cutting a, deal but you, know if it's
whatever two or three million dollar, difference maybe you're not
necessarily going to rush to that top dollar right.

Speaker 6 (01:43:24):
Away you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Know the last, Night kevin DID i, ASSUME i mean
you saw some, of if not, all that last night
to me between The rams In seattle was the best
game so far this season in THE. Nfl agree or, Disagree.

Speaker 12 (01:43:40):
YEAH i mean it's definitely got to be up.

Speaker 9 (01:43:42):
There, yeah just the back and forth, nature either the
wild two point, conversion you, know the big punt, return
the big.

Speaker 12 (01:43:50):
Comeback obviously the.

Speaker 9 (01:43:52):
Wild two point version is should say probably, plurally you,
know certainly with the backward, pass but also there By
mike McDonald to go for. It so, YEAH i Mean
stafford And pooka looking like the best quarterback white out
tandam they've been all. Year, YEAH i mean all of
the two divisional. Teams you great, Environment, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
Definitely because you have to the REASON i bring that
up if you Are Chris, ballard it had to actually
make you feel pretty good to an, extent BECAUSE i
know they didn't beat The, RAMS i get, it BUT
i think The rams may well be the best team
in the. League and you also have A seattle team
that you, Know darnald represents to an extent what A

(01:44:32):
Daniel jones could, be Because darnald is a guy that
was written off by several, places including obviously in the
same spot As Daniel jones a year, ago and yet
once you built around, him he last, NIGHT i thought
he showed a lot of pocket presence late in that.
Game Daniel jones post That eddie had mentioned was thank
you to my, teammates, coaches The colts, organization and all

(01:44:54):
the fans for the overwhelming. Support tough way to end this,
season but it has been an honor to wear the
horseshoe and play for The. Colts i'll mislighting up with my,
guys But i'll be riding with them every step of the.
Way Go. Colts so that sounds like a guy that
would be open to coming. Back but last NIGHT i
just thought that the darnled, situation combined with the rams

(01:45:14):
and the way that they, looked both of those things
have to Give Chris ballard some good feeling moving. Forward
question is does that optimism way over and carry over
into his boss and the ownership that he has them
going in the right direction and should be there next.

Speaker 9 (01:45:32):
Year, YEAH i think it's obviously a great, question and you,
KNOW i know it probably sounds like a cop, out
BUT i think With Carli Orsay, gordon the first answer to,
be we just don't. KNOW i, mean it's no past
precedent with her to you, know kind of judge other
decisions off that you might have with athletic directors or
owners or you, know people that are in those sorts

(01:45:54):
of authoritative. Roles, NOW i think when they made a
trade For, Saft. Gardner every indication, was, well, yeah you
don't do that if you don't think everybody's going to be.
Back but you, know if you had told me at
the start of the year, that assuming this trend, continues
The colts would miss the, PLAYOFFS i would not have
thought to myself that you would then just run it all.

(01:46:16):
Back and it's not like the quarterback position has been.
SOLVED i, mean, Yes Daniel jones played you, know two
very good months of. Football but, unfortunately you, know the
most consistent thing That Daniel jones' career so far has
been season indian, injury.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
And the breaks were starting to whistle a little bit,
there weren't, they you know WHAT i? Mean, LIKE i
know that he was really good through eight, games but
he was also starting to show some of those things
that you, know fans In New york had to be, like,
see there's a reason it WAS Tj, Max.

Speaker 12 (01:46:43):
Right, Yeah, no that is a that is a good
way to put it as.

Speaker 9 (01:46:47):
Well so even if you want to ignore that aspect of,
it WHICH i don't think necessarily you you. Can but
if you want to give him what benefit of the
doubt as a, player there's still is a question of
just again overall health and making it through a, season
a season when he wasn't hit you know very, much
and all.

Speaker 12 (01:47:04):
All of those.

Speaker 6 (01:47:05):
Things so.

Speaker 9 (01:47:07):
You, know this is WHERE i just get really torn
on it because The gardner trade.

Speaker 12 (01:47:10):
Is obvious to.

Speaker 9 (01:47:11):
Me it's, like, WAIT i, mean, yeah everybody's going to be,
back BUT i mean if they are to lose and right,
now what is it four in a? Row you, know
it could be. Seven let's say they win one of
the last three but missed the. PLAYOFFS i, mean you
lose six of your last seven When Chris ballard arguably
the thing he was most vocal about at the end
of last season was we have to find a way
to win you, know end of season games. Better you,

(01:47:33):
know on the egregious scale of this, season are there
others that are above? It, CERTAINLY i don't think of
the injury situation you can't totally. Ignore but you, know
at the same, time it's, like just how much longer
are we going to continue to whatever make excuses run
it back without tangible? Results you, know seven of the
sixteen teams in each.

Speaker 12 (01:47:53):
Conference make the. PLAYOFFS i, mean that's that's just about.

Speaker 8 (01:47:56):
Half you, know when this.

Speaker 9 (01:47:56):
Playoff field, expanded you, know back whatever it was half
dozen years. AGO i mean that created almost half of each.
Conference and now you, know if you don't make it
for a fifth straight, year that to me is.

Speaker 12 (01:48:09):
Jarring but again With, carly we just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Know Kevin bowen is my guest fan morning. Show of
course you hear him along With James boyd Jeff rickord
each and every morning from seven until ten am on
this radio. Station, kevin before we get to your son's,
Pick i'm curious of. This first, off is your son
does he make? It what do we do on The
monday with the schedule here in terms of your son's colts?

Speaker 12 (01:48:32):
Picks, yeah they're sitting on the counter right. NOW i
JUST i just took out the forty nine ers, helmet so, yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:48:37):
It's sitting there and it we have not made a pick.
Yet he did pick the. Seahawks he asked if they
were big or. SMALL i don't know if your anatomy
or your zoology brain would have an answer to.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
That, WELL i told you they're. Ospreys they are rather.
Large they are basically, hawks but of a water.

Speaker 6 (01:48:53):
Region oh, yeah that's.

Speaker 9 (01:48:55):
Right that's BECAUSE i, said whenever you do you, retire
not that you're for The rivers Or Matt, ryan but
whenever you, do hang it, up you need to go
work at the.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
Zoo that's. Right our Friend Jersey johnny worked at the.
Zoo it's a perfect natural, segue, RIGHT i love.

Speaker 10 (01:49:10):
IT i love.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
It, Okay so you'll be making the pick win.

Speaker 9 (01:49:15):
WELL i assume probably later later. Today you, know The
monday game is just kind of weird and in the
sense of, it you, know it seems.

Speaker 12 (01:49:21):
Like you, know we're not we should be, there but
we're not there. Yet it's a long way To monday.

Speaker 9 (01:49:27):
NIGHT i believe it's What Hank williams said at one
point in. Time so, yes we'll release that this. Weekend
he did again when last week he was on a
bit of a losing. Streak SO i want to say
he's eight and six on the, year if that's, Right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
OKAY i mean, That i'll believe. You eight and. SIX i,
mean so he's The colts, basically.

Speaker 6 (01:49:43):
Right he's The.

Speaker 9 (01:49:45):
Colts now he, hasn't you, know gone with The colts
each and every week obviously when it gains to him last,
week but over time he is better than five. Hundreds
so for those out there and in the city of
sinn He. Is if you were to Tail Max, bowen
you'd be making some money right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
Now, okay, say do you have a garage full of
bronze from the stuff you ordered for The Ben matheren?
Statue where do things stand with?

Speaker 9 (01:50:05):
That, yeah it is a little dusty in, there so,
yeah AM i gonna need to ship that to a
new city here in the next month and a?

Speaker 8 (01:50:13):
Half was that?

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
Ship?

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
Yes that was every once in a while that we
had a little hiccup in the, Stream but, yes he
did say ship by the, way so, yes, YEAH i
do think that is going to be the. Case, ken
we talked about it earlier on this. SHOW i do
Think Ben matheren really good, player really good, guy kind
of a quiet. DUDE i do think probably is going
to be playing. Elsewhere but we shall. See that's one

(01:50:37):
of the things that we will look, for all. Right,
kevin have a wonderful, weekend pleasure as, always and outstanding
coverage on The colts as, Well Mary, Christmas the boys appreciate.
It Kevin bowen joining us on The Java House peel
and poor guest. Line before we get to Our franciscan,
health feel good good for the heart. STORY i wanted
to tell a quick story And i've been meaning to
do this all, week been meaning to do this all,

(01:50:59):
week and it's something that took place last. WEEKEND i
believe it was last, weekend BUT i Think, eddie you
are aware of my fictional media.

Speaker 5 (01:51:11):
Wife Correct Emily, Longnecker, yes, yes so fiction though.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
Right, well, so if you Google Jay query, wife there
are several pictures that come up of myself With Emily,
longnecker and you, know we get a kick out of.
That and she's a dear. Friend and let me tell
a quick story about what dear friend. Means AND i
don't mean for, me but let me tell you something
THAT i was fortunate and blessed enough to witness recently

(01:51:39):
and where it goes from. There several years, ago And
emily AND i have been friends for a very long.
Time Emily longnecker The State house reporter AT. Wthr And
emily grew up in The pennsylvania, area has lived In
indianapolis now for twenty plus. Years came here From cincinnati
and one Day, emily this was years, Ago emily was

(01:52:00):
on her way home and saw an elderly woman on
a bus, stop and the elderly woman Flagged emily, down
asking for you, Know emily's, attention And, emily you, know
got there and, said you, know CAN i CAN i help?
You and this elderly woman, said, Yes i'm waiting for the,
bus BUT i don't feel. WELL i feel very, HOT

(01:52:20):
i feel very, faint AND i don't know THAT i
want to wait for the. Bus is there any chance
you can give me a ride? Home And emily said absolutely.
So Evelyn springs was the woman's, name native Of, alabama
but had lived In indianapolis for most of her adult.
Life And emily Gave evelyn a ride home and that
seemingly was the end of this story until a few

(01:52:41):
weeks later When emily was outside and this woman came
walking up and, said do you remember? Me And, emily
you know when when you work IN, TV i, mean
you meet a lot of people like, that and so
she kind of jogging her mind and the woman, Said
I'm i'm the one that you gave a ride home
to And emily, said, yes of, course you, KNOW i remember.
You and she, said, WELL i want to let you
know that that day when you took me. HOME i

(01:53:05):
later went to the doctor and found out THAT i
was having heart. FAILURE i have heart, failure AND i
never was aware of, that and SO i think you
might have saved my life BECAUSE i was able to
get to the. Doctor and that began a friendship Between
evelyn And emily THAT i was fortunate enough to bear

(01:53:27):
witness to and then eventually get involved. With because When
emily would go out of town or do different, THINGS
i would get together With evelyn and talk to, her
go over you, know when she was in different aspects
of her. Journey and a, wonderful wonderful dear woman Was Evelyn.
Springs a, wonderful wonderful dear. Woman And emily And evelyn

(01:53:49):
were the definition of loyalty that comes about sometimes when
you simply open up your eyes and awareness and awareness
of other people and of empathy and. Understanding and they
had a very special. Bond And emily Was evelyn's. Family

(01:54:10):
evelyn had. Siblings she had a brother that passed away
many many years ago in an automobile, accident and she
was not survived by any family for quite some. Time
So evelyn was, retired did not have, family And emily
was really the person that looked after. Her there are,

(01:54:32):
groceries brought Her thanksgiving, dinner and et. Cetera had birthday
parties for, her which is also HOW i got to Know.
Evelyn evelyn passed away a couple of weeks. Ago emily
put together a beautiful and wonderful service to Celebrate evelyn's,
life because everyone should be, celebrated regardless of how small

(01:54:56):
or nuclear simply those around them. Are we all have
different we all have different levels of the size of
people in our, pool and so it really fell On
emily for that. Responsibility and in the true testament of
friendship and loyalty and, Strength emily has done what she

(01:55:19):
can For. Evelyn but now we are getting ready for
the arrangements For evelyn to be able to be laid
to rest near her mother and her late. Brother but
the money aspect of that is such That evelyn did
not have those, means and So emily put together we

(01:55:40):
are really close to getting it. Done emily put together
a gofund me for, that AND i told her THAT i,
would with, pride as a friend Of evelyn's And emily's as,
well let that be known and publicly put that out.
There AND i will put it right now at the
very top on the pinned level of my ex post

(01:56:04):
twitter account x dot com Or twitter dot com Slash jake.
Query just a couple of, MINUTES i will have that
right there in any a single. Dollar it would be,
outstanding and it would be greatly, deserved AND i can
greatly appreciate, it AND i can tell you for a
dear woman that absolutely deserved. It evelyn was a, great
great friend To emily and will be missed by the

(01:56:26):
people that knew her very very. Much and we simply
want to make sure that she is able to be
laid next to those that meant the most to her
earlier in her. Life all, right, well come. Back it
is A. Friday it Is franciscan, health feel, good good
for the Heart. Friday the way THAT i saw the
loyalty between those two quite frankly made my heart feel.
Good AND i want to talk to you about the

(01:56:48):
element of heart. Health that might be a word you're familiar,
with but you don't know a lot. About so we
interviewed one of the, doctors Friend, francisco about. That, next
it is A. Friday it is the bottom of the.
Hour you know what that. Means it is time for
A Franciscan Health feel, good good for The Heart, friday
and as we have done on a number of occasions with,
this we expanded a little bit by having important conversations

(01:57:11):
THAT i think are not only, informative but, really LIKE i,
said important for. Folks and in Particular i'm example of,
this folks, because as all of you know by, NOW
i had a heart attack and it was so odd
for me after the fact to then have to check
the box that, says you know THAT i have heart,
disease AND i, THOUGHT i don't really have heart. DISEASE
i just had a heart, attack but they are all

(01:57:33):
kind of, linked AND i wanted to talk about some
of the risk factors that go into that and other such.
Things so joining me now on the guest, Line Doctor
Ryan daley is a cardiologist With Franciscan health Again franciscan
number one program by health grades when it comes to heart,
health number one for interventional coronary care by care, checks
and the forty nine dollars heart skin that we will
get you all the information. For but before all of,

(01:57:55):
that Doctor, daly let me say thanks for your. Time
how are you very?

Speaker 6 (01:57:58):
Well how are you?

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
Well thank you and you, Know i'm happy to, say
knock on, wood THAT i am still on the path
of proper heart. Health and that is, again Like i'd,
mentioned it is to me one of those things THAT
i knew because of family heart, history THAT i was
at risk for heart, attack but SEEMINGLY i didn't have
other risk factors quote end quote that go into. That

(01:58:21):
so let's begin with. That what are risk factors that
one could have that maybe they don't even realize that
they would have kind of silent risk factors when it
comes to heart.

Speaker 11 (01:58:30):
Disease sure it's, complicated but let's try to get into
some big broad. Brushes so the two most powerful predictors
of whether you're going to develop a heart attack or,
plaque if you started to rank, them number one, Smoking
so that's why when you see the doctor and you

(01:58:52):
say you're a, smoker there's a long conversation about. It
everybody knows it's an, addiction but it really is the
number one reason why patients go on to develop stroke
and heart. Attack so that is really where you want.

Speaker 7 (01:59:06):
To focus your. Energies the second.

Speaker 11 (01:59:08):
Most powerful predictor of whether you're going to develop plaque is,
diabetes and the worst the, diabetes the higher the, risk
and diabetes is really a. Spectrum and people even sometimes say, that,
Oh i'm pre, Diabetic i'm. Fine, no, unfortunately not so
pre diabetes is you, KNOW i think like, this like

(01:59:29):
to think of it as like diabetes stage. Zero it's
still conveying some amount of cardiovask their. Risk the cholesterol
gets kind of changed and, stickier and pre. Diabetes so metabolic,
health which is this continuum from pre diabetes and insulin
resistance all the way to, diabetes is a risk. Factor

(01:59:52):
so you, know if you have a lot of visceral,
fat there's two different types of. Fat there's fat that's,
uh you, know in your, skin okay and outside your.
Body you, know we call that subcutaneous.

Speaker 7 (02:00:05):
Fat.

Speaker 11 (02:00:06):
Uh and then there's visceral. Fat visceral fat's the fat
that's inside your. Belly it's what gives, you you, know
the beer belly or big. Abdomen that's the fat that's
around your. Organs and that stuff's like. Kryptonite that's, awful.
Uh that is metabolically active and, flammatory uh and increases
your risk for high blood, pressure makes your sugar bat

(02:00:30):
even increases your risk for. Cancer if you can believe.
It so that's you really don't want to have a
whole lot of visceral. Fat high blood, pressure high blood
presure is also an awful risk. Factor the WAY i
describe it to my, patients it's kind of like a power,
washer but power washer in your. Skin it's gonna start
to really hurt that, skin make it very irritable and.
Injured so high blood pressure creates shear the same shear

(02:00:53):
stresses on the inside of the, lining so that your
blood vessel predisposing them to. Damage the next one is. Cholesterol,
uh the higher you're, cholesterol you, know the wars off you.
Are and it's it's a little bit more complicated than.

Speaker 9 (02:01:08):
THAT.

Speaker 11 (02:01:09):
I you, KNOW i we don't really have time to
go into an.

Speaker 7 (02:01:11):
Entire course of.

Speaker 11 (02:01:12):
Lipidology but one of the cholesterol components that we CALL
l D, l the higher that, number it's, correlated, uh
although not directly with you, know some degree of cardiovascular.
Risk and this is you NEED l D l or
certain types of cholesterol that we call APO b containing

(02:01:36):
compounds to create. Plaque so you, know if you cut
down all the bad trees in the, forest you're going
to have less risk or forest fire and that's that's you,
know and you're you're gonna.

Speaker 7 (02:01:47):
Get rid of some of the good trees too.

Speaker 11 (02:01:48):
Along along with. It but when somebody has you, know
you're you're, saying, HEY i don't want my house to burn. Down,
well number, one don't pour gasoline on.

Speaker 7 (02:01:55):
It and what's? Gasoline gasolinees is? Smoking?

Speaker 11 (02:01:58):
Okay number two is let's get rid of all the dry, brush,
Okay and.

Speaker 7 (02:02:02):
What's the dry? Brush, well the dry brush.

Speaker 11 (02:02:05):
Is is that cholesterol and making sure that your sugar
is adequately. Controlled and those are some of the things
that we don't want to go.

Speaker 7 (02:02:12):
Do now we can get.

Speaker 11 (02:02:14):
Into some of the atypical risk. Factors so these are
the cause. Inflammation so some people have inflammatory conditions like
rheumatoid arthritis or syriatic arthritis where their.

Speaker 7 (02:02:25):
Body is always.

Speaker 11 (02:02:26):
Inflame that's a risk, Factor so those patients need to
be a little bit more. Careful everybody in their life
should get a single blood test called AN lp little
as it's a type of genetic. Cholesterol it's a marker
of risk and if that's really really really, high then you,
know regardless of you of your risk. PROFILE i shouldn't say,
regardless but in addition to your risk, factors you have higher,

(02:02:51):
risks so we're going to want to be a little
bit more aggressive regarding treating. You so those sedentary lifestyle
is also one as, well and you really want to
be physically said and physically. Active So i'd say that
those are the bulk of, them and that's probably what
ninety five percent of the risk factors that we take into.

Speaker 13 (02:03:13):
Consideration you, know when we hear the term doctor heart,
disease you, know we're so conditioned to believe that disease means, that,
like there's this fungus that's growing through your body and it's,
attacked you, know whatever it might be what labels as
or falls under the umbrella of heart.

Speaker 11 (02:03:31):
Disease, yeah that's kind of a catch all bucket because
you could say that somebody has a bad valve is heart.
Disease somebody has plaque in their heart is heart. Disease
so disease means abnormal functioning of normal. Physiology that's what
that's really where the word comes. From so when when
the heart is not when parts of the, heart and

(02:03:52):
that could be an electrical system or it has or
the arters that feed, it or the valves or the,
squeeze that's all the. Heart so in my, mind somebody
who has heart disease is somebody who has a dysfunction
of The he just Doesn't your heart isn't like it
was WHEN i was, Eighteen, okay so and that's a

(02:04:13):
spectrum as. Well some people say plaque or having a
heart attack is heart. Disease that's, True But i'd also
say that having a sick, er weak heart heart failure
is heart. Disease so it's. Complicated it's not a very specific.
Thing most heart doctors don't speak that. Way we say

(02:04:34):
that they have a, cardiomyopathy which is they have a
weakness or disease of the heart, itself or if they have,
plaque we say they have arterial sclerosis or after askrotic cardiovascular.

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
Disease Doctor Ryan daley is my. Guest he is With.
Franciscan by the, way we're going to talk about heart
scans and. Folks as you hear me, mention you can
find out about setting up for a heart scan From.
Franciscan very, simple non invasive forty nine. Dollars you can
pay out a pocket with these eight three three two
three eight zero six eight eight is the telephone. Number
that's eight three to three two three eight zero six eight.

(02:05:11):
Eight let's talk about, that. Doctor the heart scan you
talked about making sure there's no brush around the house
in case there would be the situation of a house.
Fire you can look at that with a satellite image
of your, HOUSE i, guess and kind of inventory how
the yard. Looks heart scan kind of does the same,
thing does it? Not what exactly is a scan looking?
For and who should be really paying attention to?

Speaker 11 (02:05:33):
This, sure that's a really great question as. Well thanks
for thanks for asking. That so what a heart scan.
Is it's a calcium, score and it's not like the
calcium in your. Blood it's like the calcium in your.

Speaker 7 (02:05:47):
Bones.

Speaker 11 (02:05:47):
Okay so what they do is it's a very low
radiation cap scan that PROVIDES x rays and THOSE x
rays go through the body and the machine measures the
how hard different components of your body are and as
signs a mathematical value to. That so things that are very,

(02:06:08):
hard like your spine or your arm or your, leg
well those show up as, bright, okay and that brightness
is calcification or something super. Hard so the body has
a limited number of ways of healing. Itself so, initially
when there's injury to the blood, vessel it starts to
form a. Scab, well we can't image that with this

(02:06:31):
quick screening test that cost forty nine. Dollars we have
other ways of taking a look at. That but as
the as the hard, heals it goes through a process of, hardening,
scarring and ultimately forming something that's almost bone, like which
is this dense hard. Calcification the WAY i like to

(02:06:53):
think of the, CALCIFICATION i like to think of it
as grizzly bear paup. Prints so it's not the grizzly
bear paw prince that gets. You it's the grizzly. Bear
but if you see a whole lot of paw, prints
you're not going to want to camp, there, Okay so
that means that there's. Risk so when we see somebody
that has a really high calcium, score that means there's

(02:07:17):
a lot of grizzly bear activity around. There so you
got to go, looking what's the grizzly bear the grizzly.
Bear is that really, soft non calcified. Plaque we call
that that that's the high risk plaque and that's much
more likely to rupture much like pulling the scab off
of your knee and then the body forms a blood

(02:07:40):
clot and that's actually how a hard attack. Works so
the more paw prints you, have that means that there's
more soft pack. Around so now if you don't have
any paw, prints, okay could there be a bear around? You,
yes there could, Right so just because you don't see
it doesn't mean it's not, there but it's far less
likely than if you see pot prints all around your.

(02:08:01):
Campsite so that's all we have to think about. It
if you have a calcium score of, zero in, general
on a population, level your risk is lower than somebody
has plaque all around their. Heart so if they have
a coucium score of three hundred or five hundred or a,
thousand that person is much higher risk of having a
cardiovascular event in the near. Term, now if you have

(02:08:25):
a calcium score of zero and your two Packadet marlborough,
smoker and you're a diabetic and you have high blood
pressure and you you, know do other naughty, things that
is that's not super reassuring to, me because you can
have that, soft non calcified plaque that we're not visualizing
with a calcium. Score but if your calcium score is three,

(02:08:49):
HUNDRED i, know you know you have. Plaque, okay there's
grizzly bears around.

Speaker 7 (02:08:52):
There we have to.

Speaker 11 (02:08:53):
Worry we have to be aggressive regarding you and start
optimizing your risk. Factors so anybody who is you, know
older than the age of forty that has risk factors
that we've discussed is somebody that should consider this and
discuss it with their family. Doctor and then, FURTHERMORE i
always say, that you, know people shouldn't try to make

(02:09:15):
these decisions completely on their own about what their next steps.
Is this is really a partnership and what are the
next right steps for, you whether it's, lifestyle whether it's you, know,
exercise whether it's medicine such as cholesterol lowering medicine statins
or asprin or what. Have you make those decisions with
a learned healthcare.

Speaker 1 (02:09:36):
Professional and of course that first step that is important
is looking up and figuring out and registering for signing
up for a heart, scan doing your research on a
number one program by Health grades In Indiana franciscan. Health
the heart scan eight three three two three eight zero
six eight eight is the telephone NUMBER i know most
of you folks aren't going to remember that phone. Number

(02:09:58):
most of you have my cell phone. Number text. ME
i will gladly and immediately get you the information on
how to set up for that heart. Scan Doctor Ryan.
Dally WHAT i took from this conversation very. Informative one
and important one is, this and that is that smoky
the bear is a grizzly, Bear so go ahead and
avoid the grizzly bears and the. Smoking, Right that's basically
what you got.

Speaker 6 (02:10:18):
It you got.

Speaker 11 (02:10:19):
It that's an absolutely fantastic take home.

Speaker 1 (02:10:22):
DOCTOR i appreciate, it, CERTAINLY a, safe enjoyous holiday season to,
you and appreciate the, time the information and the help
for everybody.

Speaker 7 (02:10:29):
Today all, right you as, Well Merry christmas.

Speaker 1 (02:10:32):
Again Doctor Ryan dally joining me From Franciscan, health number
one heart program In indiana for cardiology by health, grades
number one In indiana for interventional coronary care and major
cardiac surgery by care. Checks Franciscan health offers the affordable
heart scan for just forty nine. Dollars you can self,
refer payout of, pocket get the free heart health risk
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(02:10:55):
and very easy to. Do scan. Again you can go
To franciscanhealth dot org slash screening bundles or call eight
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is eight three three two three eight zero six eight.
Eight as, always if you didn't have time to jot that,
down you can reach out to. ME i will get
it to you basically twenty four to seven three sixty.

(02:11:15):
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(02:11:36):
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as Well Mick ultra for tons of fun last night Night.
Owls we did our Mini hoop challenge ultimately BECAUSE i
will be at another location coming up for this In,
january and then ultimately each of the winners from each
round of this will participate in a finals, shot if you,

(02:12:00):
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(02:12:23):
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to say. Hi it was much. Appreciated it is something
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Speaker 14 (02:12:40):
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gonna go over To Family leisure right next door and
get one of their hot.

Speaker 8 (02:12:49):
TUBS i don't think they're going to ask.

Speaker 14 (02:12:50):
Me i'm gonna do that a little bit later, on
play some video games and to get water all of the.

Speaker 8 (02:12:54):
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Speaker 14 (02:12:57):
Spot by the, Way, jake you just had one of
the smartest human Beings i've ever heard on the.

Speaker 8 (02:13:02):
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Speaker 1 (02:13:04):
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Speaker 8 (02:13:12):
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Speaker 1 (02:13:14):
His ability to be able to speak to that though
in a language that you AND i can, understand is greatly.
Appreciated right let.

Speaker 14 (02:13:21):
Me tell you WHAT i Was so that was to
me one of the most interesting interviews of the week right.
THERE i got to thank you for doing that BECAUSE
i thought that WAS devi AND i were kind of
talking about, that and, man this guy what a unique
ability to pass along information that you, know normally like
numb nuts like me would have no idea what he.

Speaker 1 (02:13:41):
Agree and that's WHAT i loved about this partnership With
franciscan is they do it that way for, certain no
question about.

Speaker 6 (02:13:47):
It.

Speaker 1 (02:13:47):
John you, know it's weird because on A, friday typically
we're talking about A colts. Game On, sunday that's not
going to be the. Case we're going to get kind
of a two step because we'll be doing that On.
Monday BUT i assume you got to show locked and loaded, RIGHT.

Speaker 8 (02:13:59):
I can't out.

Speaker 14 (02:14:00):
Way we got the normal set of circumstances, Here jay
gobed A. Friday i've Got monday night football tickets to give,
away Bud Light Blue Friday Whiskey business On Pendleton.

Speaker 8 (02:14:10):
Pike it is one of the.

Speaker 14 (02:14:11):
Places plus we're gonna find out who The hoosiers get
coming up layer all tonight With oklahoma And. Alabama you
got some college football going. On, Hey by the, way last,
night did you go to the?

Speaker 6 (02:14:21):
Game?

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
NO i was just in The. PACERS i was at
the out At Night. Ows, yeah with mculture was.

Speaker 14 (02:14:27):
Great did they play Exclusively Little River band while you were?
There At Night Owls Beach, grove which they should.

Speaker 1 (02:14:34):
And the game they played the game, too and a
bunch of a bunch of mini. Hoops, RIGHT.

Speaker 14 (02:14:40):
I Love Night owls And Beach. Grove but, no you're
you're over there with, that which makes a lot of. Sense,
HEY i was saying this To eddie before you AND
i got started. Here it was a great shot That brunson.
Hit but he is WHAT i like to call the
master foul baier of.

Speaker 8 (02:14:59):
All, time certainly in THE.

Speaker 14 (02:15:00):
Nba rightes hit them all the. TIME i am so
sick of seeing That, jake he's a great. Player he
doesn't need to do. That and all these pips squeak
gray shirted referees let this dude get away From he
gets away with it all the.

Speaker 1 (02:15:14):
Time it drives me. Nuts he does kind of like
a lean in and then quick pullback where it looks
like he's been, contacted but he has not. Been and
you know WHAT i, mean it's IT'S i guess there's
a craft to it if you want to give him,
That but he is a Very here's what's Frustrating. John
he's a really likable dude and, player but he plays
so unlikable that you don't want to like. Him does

(02:15:36):
that make? Sense?

Speaker 14 (02:15:37):
Well and and also to a shutout my bad. TOO
i Know Tyler ford is one of those pip squeak
gray shirted officials here From.

Speaker 8 (02:15:44):
Westfield my. Bad he is definitely a pip.

Speaker 14 (02:15:46):
Squeak but NOW i Like tyler a great, deal BUT
i get sick and tired of. IT i, mean if
we can see, it how do these dudes on the
floor not see it all the?

Speaker 8 (02:15:55):
Time because it Is jake constant with, him.

Speaker 1 (02:15:59):
You, know and it's this same as you, Know Shake Gilgess,
alexander you, know he's kind of the master at in
the mid range getting a late foul call all the.
TIME i, MEAN i guess there's an art to. It
and once they determine how the game is going to be,
called then you can go from there with. It But
brunson it there were times it was amazing to think
that The pacers were able to withstand that and win

(02:16:21):
a series against them a year. Ago but it Was,
look it was a great game until the last thirty,
seconds you know WHAT i. Mean, yeah when.

Speaker 14 (02:16:29):
You fall down on the inbounds pass, play that's problematic for, you,
right that is correct to.

Speaker 1 (02:16:33):
Happen that is, correct all? Right whiskey Business Penalton Pike
john will be there but Light Blue fridays coach tickets
to give away as, well and we will be listening
up until six o'clock. Today, Now, eddie you had told,
me and there it is. Boom you, know we have
this new system. Here you got away from the clock
AND i looked up AND i, thought, Well i'm just
gonna sit here and tap dance for another five and

(02:16:54):
a half. MINUTES i couldn't see the. Clock NOW i
can see, it, right.

Speaker 3 (02:16:57):
SORRY i was doing.

Speaker 1 (02:16:59):
Something yet your big week plans are, What, EDDIE i,
think a whole lot of. Nothing are you still working
the lights deal because you're Gone? Monday, RIGHT i can't
reveal What i'm doing IT i can pick On. WEDNESDAY
i heard. THAT i Guess, friday you know, what you
might have gotten another gig besides just the fair ground. Lights, Right,
yeah that's. RIGHT i read yesterday The Big Head federation

(02:17:19):
is actually now seen as one of the top ten
rising federations in terms of employment and side gigs in
The United. States SO i. UNDERSTAND i Understand Kurt gerald's
And atticus and everybody. ELSE i, mean look for, me
it's not like. Missing it's LIKE i do a. Misbeat,
RIGHT i hardly notice you're, Gone. EDDIE i doubt. It,

(02:17:40):
well there there is certainly from the sunlight standpoint of
that little window you're, in there does become kind of
an eclipse that is. Noticeable all, Right we'll be back
with you nute. Again Oklahoma alabama. Tonight we will know
Who indiana is playing in The Rose. Bowl we will
Preview Colton niners coming up On. Monday

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