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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's query in company. I'm gonna be keeping your company
for the next few hours.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
You are not going to believe the company.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
This company. You're in a bankrupt mama's company. At least
I have the radio to keep me company.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
On ninety three to five and one oh seven five
the fan.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
With the way you guys have turned around this program,
you keep setting a new standard for the greatest moment
in Indiana history.

Speaker 5 (00:20):
First, it was winning a game like Morgan on the.

Speaker 6 (00:23):
Road Dante More. He takes the staff, he throws it.

Speaker 5 (00:26):
It's tipped up for the airpcent.

Speaker 7 (00:30):
He comes up for the football loss more for the interception.

Speaker 8 (00:35):
It was meeting Ohio State for the Big Ten Championship.

Speaker 9 (00:37):
It's third down in six. Fernando takes it back to throw,
fires it down the field and.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
It is come shut. God old counts.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Now, it's winning the Rosebull for the first time and
going to the semifinals.

Speaker 10 (00:53):
Here's a step back to Fernando hast time rowing over
the medal.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
He's got back up.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Joy fucker.

Speaker 9 (01:02):
Yeah, Fernando's there, he's under center. Himby is the running back.
Here's the staff takes the handoff, looks the thron dust
frontend touchdown.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
Old Mark Cooper.

Speaker 9 (01:14):
Junior touch himby in the backfield. Now with Bernando Mendoza,
he just takes the staff. Fernando looks left Placidana Peel,
He's got surrounded.

Speaker 11 (01:27):
You want a perfect roll by Bernando? Twenty four yards.
Indiana scores again.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
How would you describe the turn around at what you've
been able to build in a.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
Short period of time? The hell of a movie?

Speaker 12 (01:43):
Well, my husband wants to do something. He wants to
sing that damn so what.

Speaker 8 (01:49):
He wants to do?

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Poop poop, poop poo shards.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
That's how it sounded yesterday.

Speaker 13 (01:53):
Don Fisher on the Call of course, Rhys Davis, Kurt Signetti,
Fernanda Mendota, all of them up on the stage for
ESPN ABC as Indiana. Just as you all expected, twenty
twenty six would begin. The Indiana Hoosiers are fourteen and unblemished,

(02:17):
and Indiana, on the fiftieth anniversary year of the last
unbeaten in college basketball, has a chance to become the
first school to have an undefeated national champion in both
football and basketball. They have a chance to celebrate the
fiftieth anniversary of their nineteen seventy six thirty two and

(02:39):
zero team by sending their football team halfway to that mark.
No team in the history of college football has gone
undefeated as the national champion by having to win more
than fifteen games in Indiana, Yes, there is still work
to do, and yes there is.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Not one but two games remaining if they were to
get there.

Speaker 13 (03:04):
But Indiana is the number one team in the country,
the number one seed in the college football Playoff. And
I don't care who you pull for. I don't care
if you pull for Notre Dame. I don't care if
you pull for Alabama. I don't care if you pull
for Purdue. I don't care if you pull for Clemson.
I don't care if you pull for ball State. I
don't care who you pull for. If you don't believe

(03:25):
by now that the top team in college football is
Kurt Signetti's Indiana Hoosiers, then I don't know what to
tell you. Because they continue to answer every challenge, they
continue to answer every bell, they continue to not blank.
And while Kurt Signetti said it best, is this stage

(03:46):
where you worried this stage was going to be too
big for you?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
And what did he say?

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Why?

Speaker 13 (03:51):
Because our name is Indiana This is a new era
of college football. This is a new lease on life
for Indiana. This is a new direction as to how
teams are built and where they are going. And we're
going to talk about exactly how this has come to
be on this Friday that feels like a Monday, the

(04:14):
first show of twenty and twenty six. And the thing is,
I realize I'm probably talking right now to those of
you that are fans of those schools I just mentioned,
and probably not as many of you are Indiana fans.
We probably have the least amount of Indiana football fans

(04:36):
listening to us today of any show that we do,
because from what I can tell, ninety percent of our
audience is still in Pasadena. That place was overrun with
Indiana fans. It was taken over. And I get it
if you're Alabama far travel and you've been to a
ga billion games of note, and it's for Alabama, it's

(04:57):
just another step, right, even though it's a on Alabama year.
But I'm going to get into just a second how
this changes the complexity of college football and how the
Indiana Fight and Hoosiers are the team that is doing it.
But let me begin by saying to Eddie Garrison. Good afternoon,
Happy New Year to you, Eddie.

Speaker 14 (05:15):
I can't believe it's been a whole year since we've
last seen each other.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
That's right. Did you do anything fun for New Year's?
Went over?

Speaker 14 (05:21):
So Olivia, my girlfriend. We went over to some of
her coworkers, hung out with them. It was a nice time.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
How about you. We went, We took my mom to dinner.

Speaker 13 (05:30):
My parents have gone to Bonefish Grill each and every
year for gosh twenty years on New Year's Eve, and
my dad while unable to do that, my mom, Shane
and I were going to go to dinner, and Shannon just.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Said, well, we should take your mom to Bonefish. Great idea.

Speaker 13 (05:46):
So we took my mom to Bonefish and then we
went and after that we actually went to the Broaderpool
group hub to the snug had a beer there, and
then went and watched you know, the different and the
different things on and the game, obviously the Ohio State
Miami game, which was unbelievable, fabulous game. And that's the

(06:07):
other thing that got the year off to a great
start is we don't have to hear about Ohio State,
which is awesome. But let me ask you this and
then I want to get into Indiana to me, And
I'm curious if anybody else felt this way in years past,
And maybe Eddie, I'm going to rely on you here
because you're younger than I and you've got your finger
more on the pulse of like.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
The pop cultural stuff.

Speaker 14 (06:27):
Oh gosh.

Speaker 13 (06:28):
In past years, and I mean even recent past years,
it seemed to me like you always had this great
build up and anticipation about New Year's and you would
hear ads on radio or television for different events taking
place downtown, or restaurants would have like come out for
our you know, such and such, just you know, flat

(06:49):
price that includes your champagne and this entertainment and whatever else.
Or the people had big parties or shindigs that you
were going to, or it was, you know, like I'm
going to a black tie party celebration New Year's.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
It was a big thing.

Speaker 13 (07:03):
And then leading up to it, in the newspaper and
on social media, I know that you would see the
things of the top ten plays of twenty twenty five,
the people that We've Lost of twenty twenty five, the
top songs of twenty twenty five, et cetera. That's typically
what happens. And maybe it's just because I have a
lot going on, but it felt to me like this year,
a lot of that was just down and not that

(07:24):
people were but pooing New Year's but it was just
kind of like, oh, yeah, gosh, I forgot Thursday's New
Year's Day. Okay, cool, and then let's get together and
do stuff. But it didn't seem like there was the
universal cultural, big build up celebration.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Now, am I wrong?

Speaker 14 (07:38):
I don't think you're wrong. I think that even goes
back to like Christmas, Like it didn't even feel like
it was Christmas time, you know, a week and a half,
two weeks ago.

Speaker 15 (07:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (07:46):
So now it's just I don't know if it's the weather,
I don't know what it is the fact that we're
getting older so that we just kind of lose some
of that, you know, that childhood and that teenage in
that early adulthood, like energy and stuff like that.

Speaker 13 (07:59):
But either way, it is a new year, and it
is a new time in college football. So friends, Hoosiers, Boilers, Cardinals, Sycamores,
Little Giants, Tigers, Purple Aces, lend me your ears, because
I think what we're seeing right now is truly almost

(08:23):
a revolution in college football. And I'm not even I
don't need hyperbole here, I don't. Kurt Signetti yesterday said
this would make a heck of a movie, and he's
not wrong. But truth be told, it's a movie and
a storyline that I think we've seen before. I think

(08:45):
we've seen this before. And it hit me last night
as I was sitting there and I was going over
everything that went on, and I was thinking about the
fact that Indiana got these great plays in the game
from guys that were overlooked elsewhere, and so much of
that game symbolized everything about Indiana. For example, there was

(09:07):
a play early in the second quarter Ohio State had
I think a third and two might have eve been
a fourth down play, and they tried to go trickery.
They're going to go pitch back to the tailback and
then throw back across, tried to do a flea flicker
type play. Indiana smelled it from the get go. The
only thing that was permeating the air for the senses

(09:29):
of the nasal cavities of Indiana more than the smell
of roses was the smell of snipping out everything that
Alabama wanted to do. Everything that Alabama wanted to do.
I might have said Ohio State or I met Alabama
going forth on a fourth down. Indiana was there a
step ahead of Alabama on every play. And I thought
to myself, when are people going to figure this out?

(09:54):
When are they going to figure it out? Because then
something happened after the game that I found fitting. After
the game, Indiana's up on the stage. They've done the
trophy presentation to Kurtz Signetti, and now Rhys Davis is
talking about the most Valuable Player of the Rose Bowl

(10:16):
and he's talking it up and he's building it up,
and the camera's focusing in on Fernando Mendoza, the Heisman
Trophy winner. And then they even went over and they're
showing his parents in the crowd, and they're isoed on
his mom because it is inevitable that Mendoza is going
to be named the most Valuable Player in the Rose Bowl,
a game where he was fourteen to sixteen through three touchdowns,

(10:36):
one hundred and ninety two yards. You know, did everything
that he was asked to do. And just as you
think they're about to give it to Mendoza, they announce
audible and they give it to Pat Cougan of the
offensive line, and everyone on the right side of the stage,
every player for Indiana jumps in unison to go celebrate

(10:59):
the fact that they're giving them the most valuable player
to the captain of a unit of a group. And
I thought to myself, that's the only play today where
there was a fake out that even Indiana didn't expect.
Because every other play in that game that Alabama tried
to run, when they tried to get cute, when they

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tried to do whatever Alabama tried to do, Indiana knew
exactly where it was coming from. And that's when I realized,
this story has been told before, this story's been written before,
and it's been executed before. And let me explain, once
upon a time, there was a group of people. As

(11:41):
a matter of fact, Eddie, I don't know if you
were able to pull this up, but one of our
favorite characters from our favorite movie explained exactly what I'm
about to tell almost perfectly. Jeff SPACCAULI perfectly laid out
what happened when this country was founded back in the
seventeen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Was saying, was, Hey, you know, we left this interplace
because it was bogus.

Speaker 16 (12:06):
So if we don't get some cool rules ourselves tront to,
we'll just be fogused too.

Speaker 13 (12:12):
Yeah, that's exactly right, Jeff. And so when that happened,
there was a group of people that became a little
bit disconcerned. They didn't like they wanted to run, you know,
tumble the apple cart, rough up the apple cart, whatever

(12:33):
the phrase is. And they didn't like the way in
which things were going. They didn't like the power structure
that was being set before them. So they leaned on
one man in particular, and they said, you know what,
we have the Articles of Federation.

Speaker 15 (12:53):
We have.

Speaker 13 (12:55):
Before us the blueprint of what is going to be
a group or a government, or a guidance as to
how we're supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
But we need more than that.

Speaker 13 (13:07):
We need more than what has been laid out before us,
because it doesn't have the stability and it doesn't have
the direction that we want. We want to strengthen this
government that came about from the Articles of Federation, and
we want to do it by going out and trying
to strengthen the government through more of like a strengthened
republic as opposed to this democratic Assembly.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
So they leaned on one man. They turned to one
man who kind of took.

Speaker 13 (13:39):
The assignment at heart and said, you know what, I'm
going to come up with the Constitutional Convention. And when
I do the Constitutional Convention, I'm going to basically say, look,
we had a situation before us that was bogus, and
if we don't get some cool rules ourselves proanto, we'll
just be bogus too. And so this group of leaders,

(14:02):
this foresight of leaders, the founding fathers of this country,
when they had before them already an established in place
system designed by the Articles of Federation, said we need
to turn to somebody else to get us gathering towards
a constitutional convention and then more make it about as
opposed to this just large assembly of democratic assembly. We

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need to come up with something that is in fact
a more efficient and smaller based government. And so in
doing that, this group of founding fathers, led by George Washington,
who kind of oversaw everything, and George Washington turned to
one of his key confidants, a guy that was kind

(14:48):
of off to the side that you didn't hear as
much about. You heard about Thomas Jefferson, and you heard
about Thomas Paine, and you heard about George Washington, and
you heard about Ben Frank. But Washington turned to a
guy that he saw as a visionary that could make
revision to the system, rock the apple cart a little

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bit and come up with a more effective means to
run a government based on what they saw as the
principles of making sure that it was simply a matter
of a small example that could lead to cohesiveness for
a larger group. And that man they turned to was
James Madison. Now Indiana football, which has lost more games

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than anybody in the history of Division one. Indiana football
saw an opportunity because college football already had a system
in place. College football already had a system that was
based on this ability for all of these teams to
come and try to play this large assembly right. But

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yet there seemed to be this disparity amongst the power
because of the way that it was written up, and
there seemed to be all of this this kind of
the same thing over and over and over again, and
people were kind of growing tired of it, and there
began this rumble of do things need to change?

Speaker 2 (16:11):
In Indiana.

Speaker 13 (16:12):
Foresaw it as college football was getting ready to go
into and navigate through the nil era, an expansion of
the college football playoff in taking what was initially their
articles of Federation of determining a national champion and instead
turning it into a constitutional convention that had more in there,

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with different ideas all coming together for this foundation. Block
in Indiana saw it all coming. Scott Dolson saw it coming. Yes,
he saw a football program that had lost more games
than any football program in Division one history. Yes, it
was a place that, quite frankly, Indiana had always been bogus.

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But if they didn't get some cool rules pronto, they
were going to be bogus forever. So Indiana did what
George Washington did. Indiana turned to James Madison the university,
and they saw Kurt Signetti and they said, do you
want to come in here and do you want to
be the face of what is going to change and

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rock the apple cart for college football and take a
system that was already in place, but now show how
it can be perfected. And Indiana has perfected the system.
And Alabama was caught sleeping, and Ohio State, to an extent,
was caught sleeping. Georgia was caught sleeping on all of

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this because what Kurt Signetti and Indiana have done.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
And you see it in these games. If you look
at Indiana's roster and you look at the.

Speaker 13 (17:53):
Players on their roster and where and how they were acquired. Sure,
Pat Coogan's a guy that was playing for Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I get it.

Speaker 13 (18:01):
But three touchdown passes for Fernando Mendoza in the Rose
Bowl against Alabama, the King of all Kings of college football.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Three of them. He threw the first of his touchdown
passes to Charlie Becker, who was.

Speaker 13 (18:21):
The nine hundred and seventy seventh ranked wide receiver or
excuse me, prospect coming out of high school. As a senior,
he was ranked as the one hundred and thirty first
best wide receiver option in the recruiting class of which
he came out. There were twenty nine players in the
state of Tennessee that were thought to be better high
school football players and better college prospects than Charlie Becker.

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Mendoza threw his second touchdown to Omar Cooper Junior, the
two hundred and ninety ninth ranked player in recruiting services
and the forty third best wide receiver of his high
school class. There were eight players in the state of
Indiana that were deemed to be better college prospects than
Omar Cooper junior.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
And then he threw his.

Speaker 13 (19:08):
Last touchdown to perhaps the guy that's been his biggest
safety net, Elijah Surratt, who came to Indiana from wait
for it, James Madison and had zero stars coming out
of high school. Was not a ranked prospect coming out
of high school. No big university, no Division I school

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was after him. But what Kurt Signetti masterfully figured out
in his coaching style was it's not about what one
player can do. It's not about how great Jeremiah Smith
is and how unstoppable he is as a wide receiver.
It's about a group of people coming together and saying

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there is safety, there is strength in making sure that
each of us has our own area that we need
to operate and as long as we take care of
that area and that little responsibility, we don't have to
worry about what's gonna happen in this game. Because individually,

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if all twenty two of us and yes, substitutions here
and out, but as long as you are one of
those eleven on the field, if you know your job
to do and you execute your job better than the
guy you're lining up against, you're gonna win football games.
And in addition to that, the way Indiana does it,
which is masterful. I don't think Indiana overly worries about

(20:35):
the game plan of Alabama. I don't think Indiana overly
worries about the game plan of Oregon. Sure they do,
and sure they seem more prepared than the other team
by knowing exactly what that team's going to do. But
Indiana's way of doing things, simply put, has been, we
are going to go out play our game, not make
a single mistake, and then pounce every time you do.

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And you might only make three mistakes against Indiana, but
guess what, they take advantage of all three of them.
They don't make the mistakes themselves, and then boom, before
you know it, three to nothing becomes seventeen to nothing
becomes twenty four to three, and you're like, what in
the world just happened? In Indiana saw within the college
football landscape in the NIL era, they saw the opportunity.

(21:21):
They said to themselves, this college football thing is bogus.
These four schools getting invited to the BCS and then
that turning into like an eighteen playoff and having to win.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Through your league and whatever else it's bogus.

Speaker 13 (21:35):
And knowing that Texas A and M has ATM on
their helmet for a reason because they're paying everybody like
it's going out of style. And knowing that Ohio State
has go billions of dollars, and knowing that Alabama and
other SEC schools have probably been funneling things from car
dealers into top prospects since the beginning of time and

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masking it a million different ways. Knowing that all of
that was about to become legal and that playing field
was about to be leveled and made fair across the board.
Indiana was the school that was ahead of everybody else,
and they said, we're going to go ahead now with
this new system. We're going to be in front of
everybody on the line and start beating them at their

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own game by bringing in players that are coming here
in Indiana when it comes to the nil, Yes they
got a high payroll. Yes, these are guys that are
also using the chip on their shoulder, look at the
opportunity before me angle and motivation to win football games.
But at the same time, Indiana was ahead of everybody

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else of saying we are going to go out and
use the transfer portal and the NIL access that we
have to get guys to come in here. But we're
not just going to start overpaying because a guy has
five stars. We're going to look at because we have
a coach in Kurt Signetti that is getting up every
single day and outworking everyone and as a behind the

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scenes guy forever, he was James Madison behind the scenes
for a very long time, and he had worked for
Nick Saban, who was the George Washington of the time.
Because George Washington had these group of accolytes, Thomas Jefferson
and John Adams and James Madison just like Nick Saban

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had a group of accolytes that are now coaching Oregon
and Old miss and Miami and Georgia and wait for it, Indiana.
And they saw did Indiana the fact that James Madison
had the guy that was the one that had the

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blueprint on how to master and improve on the initial
playoff articles of Federation. And that's where you are. And
it might well be the greatest sports story in college football?

Speaker 17 (23:59):
Is it?

Speaker 13 (23:59):
The innocent of It's the bad news Bears that a
bunch of guys that arrived in Bloomington, Indiana with their
stuff in a knapsack and have been built up over
four and a half years into this dominant force. No,
it is a group of players that came with one
last chance to cement themselves as a college football legacy

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in Indiana is the place where they have all collectively
come together, this band of misfits. They are indeed experienced
players who have been to a number of different places,
that part is true, but every single school in the
country had the opportunity to take advantage of it and
build a roster. But it's more than just paying for
players based on stats and stars, and it's about the thorough, thorough,

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thorough development, the design, the study, the film sessions of
figuring out the collective nature of the personalities of how
they're going to mesh together and paying for character and
belief as opposed to strictly x's and o's. And that's

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why Indiana is two wins away. Indiana is eight quarters
away from being the national champion in football.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Think about that.

Speaker 13 (25:12):
The national champion in college football the Indiana Hoosiers and
I know, I know, the Colts are taking on the
Texans on Sunday I know we got Riley Leonard starting
at quarterback. I know that the Pacers are in action
tonight taking on San Antonio, and it looks like Wemby's
not going to be on the floor, and they're still
looking for Rick Carlile's oney twin. I know that Purdue
is amongst the best team in college basketball. I think

(25:34):
the best, and quite frankly because Matt Paynter kind of
plays the basketball variation of the building and the understanding
of teamwork.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
You know, something happened to me in college.

Speaker 13 (25:51):
That I think speaks to this Indiana football team, and
it's a lesson we all can take from Kurt Signetti
in Indiana, and it's great.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I was out last night. I went out.

Speaker 13 (26:03):
There are literally eleven hundred people that are fans of
Indiana football that are not in Pasadena that stayed back here.
And of those eleven hundred, nine hundred and sixty four
of them yesterday were where I was watching the game.
We went to the Ale in Castleton, a license to
print money, fabulous place, efficient pizza was great, sat there
and watched the game and all of these people, all

(26:27):
of these fans of Indiana, everybody's watching it and I'm
thinking to myself, you know what, there's a formula here
and a lesson that we all can learn, which I'll
share with you on the other side. And if you
are actually listening today, because I realize it's still kind
of an extended holiday until Monday, we will get your
thoughts on Indiana as well and let you sound off.

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If you've been waiting to scream it from the mountaintops,
your pride of the Hoo's yours. We'll do it all
here over the course of the day. Two thirty nine,
ten seventy is, of course the telephone number. It is
Quarry and Company. You're listening to it on ninety three
five and one of seven five the fan woes. So
Georgia is where Indiana is now headed. And if you
want to know how upside down things are in college

(27:10):
football with the Indiana fight and Hoosiers as the number
one seed, then think about this. I remember very well
the nineteen eighty seven Indiana football season.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Why is this guy talking about eighty seven? I mean,
it's twenty twenty six, man, it's like forty years ago.

Speaker 13 (27:31):
Because that was the last year that Indiana really was
of like any sort of you know, and I know
that they went in the COVID year and had a
great run, but I mean in terms of sustained competitiveness.
It was the Malory era and Indiana was playing I
believe Illinois at Memorial Stadium. Dave Schnell was the quarterback

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and we found out had appendicitis. I believe Dave Cramee
had to come in for him. And we're walking into
to a Memorial Stadium and there was a guy selling
sweatshirts with a big block letter eye that was the
football eye for Indiana with roses on either side of it.
Because we knew that if Indiana won and then went

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to Michigan State and were able to beat Michigan State,
that Indiana was going to be for the first time
in twenty years in the Rose Bowl. And of course
they went to Michigan State. Peteyanovitch hit a fifty three
yard field goal to go up three to nothing, and
then the Spartans came roaring back and I think beat
him twenty seven to three. Bill Mallory later went in
the locker room for Michigan State cheered him on, and

(28:37):
you know, back then that was like it was a
fleeting hope of like clutching pearls to go to the
Rose Bowl and Indiana that year because of the fact
that they got so close but did not get to
go to the Rose Bowl, they had to settle for
a consolation prize of a lesser but still significant bowl
game of the Peach Bowl. So it is bizarre to

(29:01):
me to know that. If you want to know how
upside down everything is in college football, Indiana the program
that was at the bottom and is now at the top.
By winning the Rose Bowl, they get the reward of
going to the Peach Bowl. It's none of it makes sense,

(29:22):
like like stop me when it makes sense. But I'm
here for all of it. I'm here for all of it.
And I realized that ninety percent of people that are
tailgating and Pasadena and flying cross country and on their
way and getting their sweet tea and heading to Atlanta,
ninety percent of them probably didn't go to games fifteen

(29:44):
years ago. But there wasn't a lot of reason to
I get it. I totally get it, totally get it.
But I also thought, speaking of Georgia on my mind,
I also thought.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Going into it.

Speaker 13 (30:02):
That there were two teams that were the biggest obstacle
for Indiana. I thought, if Indiana's gonna win it all,
Oregon's gonna be tough. It's always tough to beat a
team twice.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
I think they know that.

Speaker 13 (30:19):
And Oregon's playing at a very high level as well.
That's gonna be a great game. But the two teams
that jumped out at me the most were Ohio State
in Georgia. Credit to Old Miss, because I don't think
a lot of people, including maybe even those in Hatty Toddy,
thought that Old Miss and Old Miss has had a
great year. But with all that's gone on, and you know,

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I mean, is Old Miss this year's eighty nine Michigan
with Bill Frieder, guy gets another job and they go,
now we're good, We're fine, man, We're gonna hand it
over this guy. And then they go on and win
the national title. I don't know, but Georgia looked so
stout going into it, and you almost thought that there

(30:59):
was so much talk about Ohio State in Indiana coming
off the Big Ten title game that maybe Georgia was
just kind of sitting there in the cap birds seat.
And now Georgia is out, and then there is the
team that Eddie Garrison I don't know that you said,
Eddie that you thought they would win, but you were
the one. I think we were talking about what games
in the College Football Playoff were the biggest stinkers, and

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I was like, man, I really did think Ohio State
was going to steamroll past Miami. And I watched a
little of Miami this year. Disingenuous to say a lot,
but they have more than now validated their place here
in terms of their selection as they controversially got in
h absolutely.

Speaker 14 (31:38):
I mean, I told you when we were talking about,
you know, whitch game you thought had the possibility of
being the biggest blog you cited Georgia Miami or you
cited Miami and Ohio State. I thought it was going
to be that Georgia Ole Miss game. So we were both,
you know, wrong in that regard. But I just felt
like the defense for Miami was is good enough to

(31:58):
keep them in most not any ballgame that they're going
to play in this.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
College Football Playoff.

Speaker 14 (32:03):
And the other aspect to it that I was thinking about,
and I mentioned it, was the fact that you know,
Georgia had just played the Georgia Miami had just played
the previous week in Ohio State hadn't played since the
Big Ten championship game, they lost their offensive coordinator, and
they were turning things back over to Brian Day as
the play color and so there was just a lot
of things that weren't going in favor of Ohio State

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going into that game that I felt like Miami could
hang around, but I thought the talent level of Ohio
State was going to be able to prevail at the end,
and in this instance, it certainly did not.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
And they made Julian saying look bad they did. They did.
Now here's and that defense is nasty, But so it's Indiana's.

Speaker 15 (32:42):
You know.

Speaker 13 (32:43):
Now, this is what happened to me years ago that
I think is applicable to what Indiana's doing because we
can sit here and psychoanalyze till the cows come home,
which is what I'm about to do. How this has
all come to be, And I think it simple and
I think it's a lesson that can be learned for
all of us in this. When I was in college,

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I was the fact that this happened because I was
part of a pledge class and a fraternity is irrelevant,
but for the sake of the discussion, to give the
background so I was a pledge for the nineteen ninety
one pledge class of the Fight Out the Theta Kansas
Alpha chapter at the University of Kansas.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
And then they had this big, beautiful home.

Speaker 13 (33:32):
The fraternity house had been redone like a nineteen eighty
nine by gorgeous one of the best fraternity houses you'll
ever see, with a huge front yard in front of
it with big decorative boulder type rocks. And there was
a guy that was in charge of the landscaping of
all of it. And of course we were the pledges.

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So our job, this was before school began, like for
the week before school began, was to get the building
spruced up in ready to go for the school year.
And they had dropped off all of these boulders to
be designed in the front yard and the landscape of it.
And of course, and I'm sure this was by design,
they dropped them off on the far left side of

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the house and decided that they needed to go to
the far right side, hundreds of them, and there were
thirty two, I think in my pledge class. And they
basically said, well, you guys got like an hour to
get all these boulders to the other side. So each
one of us is picking up a boulder, and each
one of these things, I mean, they were big, and
we're picking them up, and you could walk about five

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feet and set it down, pick it up again, and
walk about five feet and set it down, and it
just kept taking forever. There were a couple of guys
that could pick up a boulder and move it all
by themselves because they were strong enough, but most of
us had to do it incrementally. And finally, after a
couple of minutes, after a couple of minutes, somebody said,

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wait a minute, why don't we do this? And we
figured out that if we lined up side by side
with about a foot between us, we could line from
where the boulders were to where the boulders needed to
go side by side, and we took the two strongest
guys on each end as kind of the beginning and
the end, and the strongest guy picked up the rock

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and then turned around and handed it to the guide
to the left of him, who swiveled around and turned
it to the guy to the left of him. So
you only had to hold and feel the weight of
these boulders for like two seconds before your job was done.
And you passed it on to someone else, and collectively,
everyone working like that together, we were able to immediately

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and literally a fraction of the time of what it
would have taken otherwise if we individually were trying to
do things. When we worked it together, the stress on
each of us individually was limited, and the efficiency by
which we were able to move all of the boulders
from one side to the other side was seemingly instantaneous

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and really without any Yeah sure, I mean you had
to swivel from your right to your left, You catch
your breath for a second, there comes another rock, and
you pass it along. Indiana football is doing exactly that.
It doesn't matter that they don't have the number of

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guys that can carry the boulder by themselves from one
end to the other. Ohio State's got twenty three of them,
Alabama's got fifteen of them. Indiana might have two. But
Indiana masterfully and Kurt Signetti masterfully figures out wighs that
so long as everyone is aligned on that field, knowing

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the small area that they are in charge of, and
they execute and they do the best. When that boulder
comes their way, you grab it, you turn around, you
hand it to the next guy. Your job is complete,
and you trust that the guy next to you is
going to again hand you the same efficient play over
and over. That's how Indiana plays football, And regardless of
whatever walk of life you're in, regardless of what team

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you pull for, if you can't appreciate the team nature
and the selflessness of that group led by their coach
who has simply laid it out and said, here's how
we're going to do things. We don't need to work
six hours tomorrow. We can work ninety minutes because each
of you know your job and you're relying on the

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guy on either side of you, and working in unison
is better than working individually. And there are a lot
of teams that have individual talent and stars that are
going to sit down with their remote control and watch
Indiana in the Peach Bowl. WO PACER's an Action tonight
taking on the Spurs at Gainbridge Fieldhouse, Eddie. I don't

(37:55):
know if officially San Antonio has ruled out Webem Miyama,
but I'm believe that's certainly trending that way from the
hypertension him out yesterday. Yeah, which is disappointing because and
I know that you're going down if you're going to
the game to watch the Pacers play, but he is.

(38:15):
He is a treat to watch because he is just
so I mean effortless. It's incredible the way.

Speaker 15 (38:22):
That he.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Nickname is the Alien. I mean it's have you ever
seen the video of him when Victor Webber Miyama when he.

Speaker 13 (38:33):
He was in France at the time, is before he
came to the NBA and he's warming up and a
little kid asked for his autograph and he walks over
and steps over the bench.

Speaker 15 (38:42):
No.

Speaker 13 (38:44):
He you know how like if you had to step
over a folding chair, you would kind of lean down,
put your hand on either side of it, swivel your
hip over and then kind of hop.

Speaker 8 (38:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
He he.

Speaker 13 (38:56):
Literally in normal stride, lifts his leg up and just
step over it and it's a full I mean a
full chair. Like it's incredible.

Speaker 14 (39:05):
I'm curious just how he fits onto airplanes, Like how
does he not have a hunchback he would have to
sit now even just sitting just like walking down the aisle, Yeah,
and getting through the terminal.

Speaker 13 (39:23):
I mean, good question, because what's he listed as seven
to five? I mean he feels he seems a lot
even bigger than that, right, I mean when you when
you look at him, I remember I thought he was
seven six or seven seven at one point, but he's

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but I think.

Speaker 14 (39:43):
It is he's listed at seven foot four.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Pounds.

Speaker 13 (39:50):
See, that's the big time. I mean that that's the
same height as Rick Smith's. But Rick Smit's was so
much physically thicker, stronger, and you know Rick Smith's truthfully,
Rick Smith's is one guy from that era that I
think could play today. I think Rick Smiths would have
been would have fit in in today's playing style because

(40:16):
of his touch and you know his range a little bit. Now, Eddie,
you worked the Orlando game, right.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I did? Indeed I did.

Speaker 13 (40:26):
So you were off then and then and that was
New Year's Eve, right, Yes, that was Wednesday? And then
what did you do on New Year's Day itself?

Speaker 14 (40:35):
We slept in a little bit yea yesterday, and then
went over to a buddy's house of mine and watched
ALU game.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yesterday.

Speaker 13 (40:45):
Was did it several times over the course of the day.
I had to remind myself it was New Year's Day.

Speaker 14 (40:50):
I had to remind myself that it was Thursday. I
thought it was Friday. Saturday.

Speaker 13 (40:55):
It felt like a Sunday for sure, right, yeah, I
mean it was weird like last night. I mean, my everyone,
everyone's body kilter has got to be completely thrown off. Now,
I'd like to know this, what percent. I don't know
that you would know this, but I asked this a lot.
I realized, what percent of like the real world is
working today. That's a great question. And I know a

(41:15):
lot of people work from home anyway, right, but I'm curious.
I'm genuinely curious what percent of people are working today?
Now we have the ability, of course, for people to
text the show at two thirty nine, ten seventy. But
I think i'm with these new computers they put in.

(41:37):
It doesn't remember any passwords, and you know we've had
to do I've had to change my password thirty six times,
and so I'm not sure which password I'm supposed to
be using here. So I don't have to log in
to be able to see what people are texting to
the show. But if you want to, so if you
want to send me a text, I guess you're got

(41:57):
You're gonna have to do it to my personal phone.

Speaker 14 (42:00):
We did get a text off at the start of
the show that there was an IU fan listening in
Pasadena just won the Rose Bowl. Now they're going to Disneyland.

Speaker 13 (42:08):
There you go, that's right, go to now the tickets
for the Peach Bowl. I mean, if you thought that
Indiana overtook the Rose Bowl and.

Speaker 14 (42:18):
Then we got a text at like twelve thirty and
that all I said was love your show, Well that's cool.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
That was it from Scott. Scott, We love you too, man.
Thank you.

Speaker 13 (42:29):
If you think that there were there was an Indiana
invasion at Pasadena. And I understand that because if you're
an Alabama fan, you've probably been there, done that. If
you're an Alabama fan, you've seen like eight nas you
know the truthfully, and I mean this has no disrespect
to Indiana or anywhere else, but it's reality. Think about

(42:49):
the glory years of Indian for IU fans, I'm saying
to put it in perspective the Indiana fans, you know,
for for Alabama fans, going and seeing the Rose Bowl
in the quarterfinals of the College Football Playoff is kind

(43:10):
of like if Indiana was in those runs where there
were number one seeds on the regular and then had
a year where they're a five seed and they open
up their opening round in Boise. You're like, yeah, I'll
wait to see if they get to the sweet sixteen
or the final four, because I've done this a number
of times and I got to be careful here on
how much I'm spending. So I get why there were

(43:32):
You know, it was not the novelty for Alabama fans
that it was for Indiana fans. But if you just
look at the travel alone for Oregon fans now to
go to the Peach Bowl, and for Indiana fans if
they want to can drive there, it's going to be massive.
I saw last night tickets on the secondary market in
the door one eighty nine last night, and that may
go up.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 13 (43:52):
I thought about buying them just to resell them, and
I thought, I'm not going to be that jerk.

Speaker 14 (43:55):
Now we got a text froom read on the text line,
Jake working today in construction, and then Jeff says working
from home today.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Not sure what line of work.

Speaker 14 (44:07):
Jeff is in.

Speaker 13 (44:08):
Jake, I'm working today, Fish and Buck are the best
on the radio. Happy for the guys totally.

Speaker 14 (44:13):
My only friend Alec is working today as well.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Really, yeah, hey, Jake, just doing inventory.

Speaker 13 (44:21):
This from Charles Iowa, u CLA, Oregon, Penn State, Ohio State,
and in Alabama undefeated season, Big Ten title, first Rose
Bowl title. But it's football. Put the respect on the
Hoosiers name. Yes, So what I said when Kurt Signetti
said it, and they said, was the moment too big
for you? And he said, why would it be? Just
because we're Indiana.

Speaker 14 (44:36):
Now, what kind of inventory is that person doing? Is
my question?

Speaker 13 (44:39):
He was inventoring the list of accomplishments of Indiana football
for the year.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
That's his inventory.

Speaker 13 (44:45):
Here on this the second day of January, Mike ni
is going to join us on the program from the
Bloomington Herald Times telephone. All of the different acronyms of
which or titles that we give. It's Bloomington Herald Times
of the Bloomington newspaper one thirty, Tony East at o'clock,
James Boyd at two point thirty, rolling along here, happy
twenty twenty six, and the Indiana Hoosiers enter and burst

(45:08):
their way into the new year with a huge win
last night.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
What it's Querry in company. I'm gonna be keeping your
company for the next few hours. You are not going
to believe the company.

Speaker 15 (45:19):
This company.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
You're in a bankrupt of Mama's company.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
At least I have the radio to keep me company
on ninety three to five and one oh seven five
the fan.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
With the way you guys have turned around this program.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
You keep setting a new standard for the greatest moment
in Indiana history.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
First, it was winning a game like Morgan on the.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
Road, Dante More, he takes the staff, he throws its
tipped up.

Speaker 8 (45:40):
For the aircepcent.

Speaker 7 (45:43):
He comes up with a football loss. More with the interception.

Speaker 8 (45:48):

Speaker 9 (45:51):
It's third down six. Fernando takes it back to throw,
fires it down the field and it.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Is come Shi hold caps.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Now it's winning the Rose Bull for the first time
and going to the semifinals.

Speaker 10 (46:07):
Here's the step back to Fernando has time rowing over
the medal.

Speaker 7 (46:10):
He's got backer tax cheicker touch.

Speaker 9 (46:16):
Yeah, Fernando's there, he's under center. Himy is the running back.
Here's the staff bakes the handoff, looks the thrown dust throw.

Speaker 7 (46:24):
The ends of touchstop Old Mark Cooper Junior touchdown.

Speaker 9 (46:31):
Himby on the backfield. Now with Fernando Mendoza he takes
the staff. Fernando looks left, Fisi Donna Field, He's got.

Speaker 7 (46:37):
Surrounded to stop. What a perfect growl by Fernando twenty.

Speaker 11 (46:44):
Four yards Indiana scores again.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
been able to build in.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
A short period of time?

Speaker 12 (46:55):
The hell of the movie, Well, my husband wants to
do something if he wants to say that.

Speaker 13 (47:05):
Eddie Garrison putting it together, the montage Indiana over Oregon,
Indiana ver Ohio State, Indiana over Alabama. Don Fisher on
the call and Rhese Davis taking us step by step
through it before. Pat Coogan then got Mendoza to sing,
and it was Kurt Signetti that did the chant of
who who Hoosiers and Indiana. The number one seed is

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the presumptive favorite now to win the national championship in
college football.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
And I'm not trying to jinx anything.

Speaker 13 (47:36):
I don't think I can jinx anything with two games left,
because let me explain to you again what we are
seeing before our very eyes. History has an interesting way
of repeating itself, and sometimes characters in books, in movies,
in history books can forecast for us the way things layout,

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and you could probably go back to the very beginning
of Indiana football to now and give yourself that amount
of time to try to figure out and grasp how
this story has come to be, how it came to
be that the football gods would select Indiana as the

(48:23):
school that would masterfully turn it all around. And as
I mentioned earlier today, I understand, I respect and I
appreciate that when you do a sports talk radio program
in Indianapolis, Indiana, you have fans a myriad of schools
listening to you, and it is not our job to

(48:43):
show favoritism towards anyone versus another. And I certainly understand
how tiresome it must be if you're a fan of
a school other than Indiana to hear the talk of
Indiana on the regular in Indianapolis, within the media and
et cetera. It is the largest alumni based in the
United States.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
However, but.

Speaker 13 (49:04):
I ask that you, whether you are a fan of
Indiana State, Ball, State, Notre Dame, Evansville, Purdue, Fort Wayne, IU,
Indy Earlham, DePaul wabash Hanover, Franklin Huntington, all of it,
I ask that you lend me your ears to simply

(49:25):
hear this tale that would almost be unbelievable if not
for the fact that it's happening before our very eyes,
and how exactly did it happen? Allow me to explain
and why there's precedent to understand and going back and
opening up books and history books to know what we
have before us. Forever, college football was dominated by the haves,

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the Michigan States, the Ohio States, the Alabamas, the USC's
forever and the college football national champion was always determined
by the ranking and the polls the end of the year,
and that did not mean that it came without controversy.
In years Georgia Tech in Washington splitting a national title,

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Florida State elevating over Notre Dame despite Notre Dame beating
them in South Bend a month and a half prior,
and then they came up with a four team playoff,
the BCS, as it was known. A lot of people said,
just dropped the c It was the BS. And each
time that college football tried to come up with a

(50:29):
system that would seemingly smooth things out and make things
non controversial, there was always something else by which to complain.
If there were four teams that got in how did
the fifth not get in if there was supposed to
be conference champions and Ohio State in the COVID year

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everybody knew was the best representative that had the best
chance to actually advance and represent the big ten well
and get the big ten more money. Let's come up
with actually a different rule of number of games necessary
so that Ohio State can get in. There was always
something to be discussed, and then you throw into it
the fact that you had programs that would pay players.

(51:15):
SMU was nicknamed substantially messed up when they got the
death penalty for the running ponies and just handing out
money like it was going out of style, right, I mean,
everything had worth than fort Worth because SMU is bringing
it all to you. And you had all these renegade
programs and allegations and guys, you know, guys sitting out

(51:38):
games are being held out until their legality or their
eligibility was determined, all kinds of stuff running amok. And
then the nil Court settlement came out where yes, in fact,
players could be compensated transfer portal and basically this all
entered into a new era of college football, a new
method for it. And I thought to myself yesterday. This

(52:03):
actually is something that I've seen this movie before, and
it came to me actually two nights ago when during
a bout of an insomnia, I turned on the television
and saw one of the most fabulous movies ever made,
a snub at the Oscars, quite frankly, from nineteen eighty two,

(52:25):
and it all came together to me when trying to
figure out what it is about this Indiana team, it
all came together to me in a moment of brilliant
epiphany from our friend from forty four years ago, mister Jeff'spacoli.

Speaker 16 (52:40):
What Jefferson was saying was, Hey, you know, we left
this airplace because it was bogus. So if we don't
get some cool rules ourselves Toronto, we'll just be fogus too.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yay.

Speaker 13 (52:54):
Now, what Jeff Spacoley was talking about was the founding
of America with mister Hand And if you look at
the Founding of America, you actually learn and you actually
can see what happened with the new Foundation for Indiana

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at the time of the American Revolution, when the United
States had the founding fathers that were deciding that in fact,
England was bogus and they needed to come up with
some cool rules themselves pronto, or they were just going
to be bogus too. George Washington was the epicenter of
much of that, but he knew, as did many, that

(53:38):
he was skeptical of the new path that was being
blazed before, as written in the Articles of Confederation. And
so a group of men looked at the Articles of
Confederation that had been laid out had been laid out
before as a blueprint and a baseline of what this

(53:58):
new country was going to be and this new established
regime was going to have. And the the Articles of
Confederation said, you know what this is all designed for
essentially a like a democratic assembly. And certain guys said,

(54:26):
you know what, it's not as much about a democratic
assembly as it is making sure that there is like
a personal responsibility into a smaller finite group and that
if each person within their finite group does what it
is that they need to do to be successful, then
that will actually equate to success across the way for

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the masses. Not unlike the way Indiana football plays in
an era when you see big time stars, big time talent,
and big time celebrations. Indiana after the Rose Bowl win,
the Most Valuable Player went to Pat Coogan as a

(55:09):
representative of the offensive line, because in Indiana, it's not
about individual star interesting to say, because the biggest individual
award in college football went to Fernando Mendoza of Indiana,
who immediately said, I only have this award because of
the other guys on the field with me, Because Indiana
believed in individually.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
This is what we are going to do.

Speaker 13 (55:32):
If every player knows their job and executes it to
the best of their ability, then we can have success.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
And when.

Speaker 13 (55:44):
The founding fathers in George Washington, notably, who had his
accolytes around him, he had guys around him that believed
in the principles of what it was that he wanted
to do. Guys like John Adams and Ben Franklin and
Thomas Paine. You know, they all were there within the
same breadth. And George Washington also had a man that

(56:05):
he turned to and he said, I think these rules
might be bogus, but there seems to be an avenue
for us to come up with a new way that
is a more solidified way that allows for everyone the
individual liberties to accomplish what they want. So he turned

(56:26):
to a man that said, you know what, You're right,
The articles of Confederation are not what we need. What
we need is a more designed plan, and I'll call
it the Constitutional Convention. And this man came up with
the Constitutional Convention, which was designed to strengthen a government
through the trust that its individualized entities could work together

(56:49):
in unison and if they all did their best, then
that would be a strength for the mass. And the
man that George Washington turned to to come up with
all all of that was named James Madison. And James
Madison some two hundred and forty five years after all

(57:11):
of that would become the namesake of a university that
had a football coach named Kurt Signetti. And when Indiana
University and Scott Dowlson their athletic director and Pam Witten,
their president, looked at the new era of college football
ahead of time, and they knew that we were going

(57:32):
into a new frontier. They knew that we were going
into this new land that had been discovered. Charles and
Ed O'Bannon were two basketball players that wanted compensation for
their name, image and likeness, and they took it to court,
and that court was essentially the same if you will
as the Spanish government funding the trip for Christopher Columbus

(57:58):
because it was setting sale into a new tier of
college athletics. And Pam Witten and Scott Dolson saw this,
and they saw that there was this foundation of the
way college football was at that time, but they could
see that there was something new, bigger, better and more
solid on the horizon. And so they themselves said, we

(58:20):
need to come up with a new way of doing
things here in this new era. We have been the
losingest college football program in the history of Division one.
Nobody has lost more college football games than Indiana. But
we need to with this new opportunity before us, this
new land and horizon of college football, with the payment
of players and nil collective and transfer portal. We need

(58:46):
to find someone that can navigate for us in blueprint
how we can be the founding fathers of the new
way of college football. And other programs had that opportunity.
Other programs that have been hired in mediocrity or subpar play,
Rice University, Rutgers, Idaho, Iowa State, other schools that have

(59:12):
been good at times had good programs. Any of them,
every single one of them had the same opportunity, but
Indiana turned to James Madison, and they turned to Kurt Signetti,
and Kurt Signetti went to Indiana and said, I need
financial commitment, and the financial commitment I need is I'm
going to give you a list of fifty players in

(59:33):
the transfer portal that most fit what I want to do,
and I need the money to get them here. I
need the solidarity to bring them to Indiana, and I
need the ability and the trust that you are going
to allow me to painstakingly scout out what players I need.
And Indiana said, deal done, Let's do it because this

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old way was bogus and we're going to get some
cool rules ourselves so that we're not bogus too. And
Kurt Signetty came to Indiana and yesterday there were two
things that happened that most personified why Indiana is now
the top program in college football. On this the second
day of twenty twenty six, Indiana against Alabama, the blue

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blood and probably most tradition laden program in college football.
Alabama had to play late in the first half where
they needed to pick up two yards critical play, and
they tried to get cute and they did a reverse
and like a flea flicker attempt, and Indiana knew what
was happening before Alabama even did. And Indiana went into

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that game knowing that in the two years of this
new college football format, in the two years of the
new constitutional convention that Indiana had mastered that was the
better version of the previous articles of confederation. Indiana knew
that the teams that were coming off by were zero donut,

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they were zero for six going into that game in
Indiana knew that those odds were stacked against them because
they were the one coming off of bye. But on
that play, Indiana was so well prepared, so focused that
they didn't wilt and that attempted trick by Alabama because

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Indiana knew exactly what was coming and knew exactly how
that play was going to develop, and they were there
before even Alabama was because of their focus. And Indiana
in that game didn't miss a beat from their win
and their long layoff coming off of beating Ohio State
in the Big Ten title game because of their focus.
And that focus comes from Kurt Signetti coaching and a

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manner and a style that says, I'm not worried about
where you've come from I'm not worried about the number
of stars that you had and how big a recruit
you were coming out of college. I'm not worried about
those things. Indiana had three touchdown passes yesterday, three receptions
for Fernando Mendoza, who was fourteen of sixteen for just

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under two hundred yards and three touchdowns. One of those
touchdowns was to Charlie Becker, the one hundred and thirty
first ranked wide receiver in his recruiting class coming out
of high school, the nine hundred and seventy seventh best
prospect coming out of high school. Another was to Omar Cooper,
the ninth ranked high school player in the state of Indiana.

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In the state of Indiana, hardly known as a recruiting
fertile blue blood Texas California of players, two hundred and
ninety ninth national recruit Omar Cooper, and the last might
be Fernanda Mendoza's most reliable target and his favorite one,
Elijah Sarratt, who didn't even have a national profile of

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ranking when he came out. But Kurt Signetti is the
kind of guy that says, I don't care about that.
What I care about is for you to play in
Indiana means I have painstakingly watched hours upon hours upon
hours upon hours of video, and I watch more than
the way you play. I watch the way you interact.
I watch the way you come back to the sidelines

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and what your focus is in Indiana, and that game
against Alabama showed that if everybody knows their own personal responsibility,
then collectively it all comes together like a constitutional convention.
And the vision of what was found via James Madison

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now brought to Bloomington. Indiana is working, and it's working
because of a coach that has put in all of
that effort, all of that scouting. Does Indiana have the
fifty five best college football players in America?

Speaker 18 (01:03:55):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:03:56):
Does Indiana have the fifty five guys collectively come together
knowing their role to form the best team.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Yes. And that's why.

Speaker 13 (01:04:08):
The most poignant moment and the most perfect apt summary
of it all was after the game, as Indiana is
sitting on the Rose Bull Stage, the Rose Bull Stage,
a place that Indiana fans only dreamed could be possible
since the last time they went there in nineteen sixty eight.

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And Indiana wins the Rose Bowl and there's Rose pedals
coming down everywhere, and Kurt Signetti is holding up the
trophy and he's doing the hoo hoosiers and like he's
showing this like almost social awkwardness that makes it even
that much cooler and he smiles for the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
What are you thinking now?

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Pall find Bob and.

Speaker 13 (01:04:53):
Don Fisher had that to say about ESPN's biggest blow
hard mouthpiece megaphone about the SEC because Indiana is the
one Paul Finebaum can sit there and talk about it
all he wants, but Paul Feinebaum is like the rest
of the college football world. They slept on what Indiana saw,

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which was the fact that there was a new wind
of change coming and the old rules were bogus and
the new rules weren't and Indiana wasn't going to be
bogus anymore. And Indiana was the one that had the
foresight to be able to go out and make the
change to put them in this position. And the greatest
personification of all of it was afterwards, when everyone believed

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that Fernanda Mendoza was about to become the most valuable
player of the Rose Bowl, and the ABC television camera
ESPN television camera is honed in on his parents, and
Rhys Davis is building it up, and Mendoza's sitting there
and his players are starting to pat him on the back,
and then in the first audible fake to ever do
in a Kurtz Signetti Indiana team, they were all taken

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by surprise when they said, no, it's actually going to
go to Pat Coogan, the representative of the offensive line,
and Fernando Mendoza and Elijah Surratt were jumping up and
down more than anybody, because that is the perfect example
of the fact that for the very first time they
were caught off guard because it was the one thing

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for which they couldn't prepare and focus. But immediately the
focus then came on celebrating the fact that they were
recognizing a unit and a team versus a player. And
there are fabulous players in college football, and these playoff
games are absolutely spotted with them all over the place.
Ohio State's got a handful of them, a plethora Ohio State,

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the twenty twenty five Ohio State Buckeyes that basically are
the fab five of their least favorite school, Michigan. Because
Ohio State fans love to point out that the nineteen
ninety three Michigan Wolverines with Ray Jackson, Jimmy King, Chris Weber,
Juwan Howard, and Jalen Rose. They were an awesome team,
but you know how many Big Ten and national championships

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they won. None got a lot of hype, got a
lot of praise, got a lot of billboards, got a
lot of love, have a huge place in pop culture.
But they didn't win anything. And yes, Ohio State last
year did. But this year's Ohio State team, for that
level of talent, for that level of the number of
draft picks, wait till April. The number of times you

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hear Roger Goodell say the Ohio State University, guess what
they have to show for it in terms of Big
Ten titles and national championships for this season. None in Indiana,
with their no stars, with their overlooked, with their bogus recruits,
has come together as a unit under the vision of

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Kurt Signetti. And if you can't buy into the fact,
regardless of who you root for, Evansville, Butler, Notre Dame, Purdue, Wabash,
DePaul Ball, State, Earlham, whoever it might be, if you
can't appreciate the storyline happening before us and the Hollywood

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script that almost seems like it's too good to be true.
And yes, they still have two games to go, but
if they win those two games, they will be the
first team in the history of college football to go
sixteen and unblemished in a season. And Indiana University will
become the first school to win a national championship in

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basketball and football, both with unbeaten records, meaning the first
to have an undefeated national champion in both sports. And
it comes potentially on the year that we've been wondering
forever what Indiana could do to one up itself or
to celebrate the fact that this is the half century mark,

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the fiftieth anniversary of the nineteen seventy six in basketball
team going undefeated, And there is no one alive that
thought Indiana would do it in football. But that's because
Kurt Signette didn't know this is where he would be

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until they finally came calling. And I'm here for it
and I love everything about it. Mike Nysolik covers Indiana
for the Bloomington Herald Times. He's going to join us
other side Tony East two o'clock. James Boyd two point
thirty feels like a Monday, but it's a Friday edition
in quiring company on the fan. What he is our

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friend from the Bloomington Herald Times. He is the beat
writer for Indiana Athletics. He is Mike Nilek, who joins
us on the Java House peeling poor guest line, And
I got a feeling Mike Nislick is gonna love if
I send him some either the Wrangler energy might be
more what he needs or the amazingly smooth Columbian coffee
from Java House peeling poor pods because uh, sleep deprivation

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probably a thing for Mike right now. But there's an energy,
even though he is a media man and not necessarily
there on a fan and trip. There's just an energy
about this Indiana football team and what we saw in Pasadena.
He is in Chicago on his way back. Mike, how
are you.

Speaker 14 (01:10:16):
I'm good. How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
I am well? Thank you. Happy New Year to you,
by the way, Thank you, sir. Let's begin with this.

Speaker 13 (01:10:23):
I'm strictly curious from your eyes estimate you would say
that that crowd last night was what percent Indiana fans?

Speaker 19 (01:10:32):
Yeah, you know, it's funny. I was talking about that.
You see all those media members kind of throw out numbers,
and I think sometimes you think, really but like I've
spent some time kind of looking at it, and it's
hard obviously because of the red, the red of it
all and the shared colors, but like I was kind
of standing out, and you know, it was a very
kind of had how to get in the stadium. There

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was a lot of que lines, and so I was
kind of watching this one kind of section where all
the fans were lined up and watching them to kind
of see him come in, and it was like it
really did feel like eighty twenty, Like I mean, that's
significant of a split.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
You know, I don't know how that.

Speaker 19 (01:11:10):
Came through kind of on the broadcast, but you know,
like the pre game, anytime things Indiana's were shown, there
were shears and Alabama there were just like all the
simple stuff of just like a home game type of thing.
And yeah, I just felt like, and I don't think
it's an exaggeration. I think it was that, you know,
you saw it in the city kind of leading up
to the days of the game, and you're like, man,

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may the Alabama's just staying somewhere else, but like it's
just the fans but like, yeah, that's what it felt
like to me.

Speaker 15 (01:11:37):
You know, the.

Speaker 13 (01:11:39):
Story there are so many storylines about this, Mike, and
and at this point I think we should just throw
out any doubts or any reason of doubts when it
comes to Kurt Signetti led teams. I just this is
a remarkable job that he has done. Now, there is
some truth to the fact that this is a veteran team.
It's not a veteran team in terms of playing with

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one another, but it's a veteran team in terms of
you know, they've used an eel to go out and
put together this team of experienced players. But Indiana was
the one team that showed no layoff, no signs of rust.
In terms of those with a bye, they are the
only with a buy Obviously, that's well documented in the

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last two years to advance. Did you see anything that
led you that that maybe raised your eyebrow in terms
of a method that Signetti used to keep his team
focused throughout that layoff?

Speaker 19 (01:12:33):
No, And I don't know if there was any magic formula,
but I just think I to me, it just sort
of was overblown. Look, and I know one one in
seven obviously is a thing, but like the one is
Indiana and it's because like nothing has tripped them up
so far, like no other distractions, Like I mean it's
been two years of this right where you've had, oh,
you know, Michigan's coming up, and this is the biggest game. Oh,

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Ohio State, you know it's here and oh you know
they got to go to Penn State or they got
to go to Autsen and like nothings like oh, this
is a trap game. And it's like none of that stuff,
Like he's just he's regimented. He sticks to the sticks
to his sort of system and schedule and routine. And
you know, these guys are bought in and you mentioned
the experience, like the core group of players that have

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experience with him, you still got all those jam you guys,
Like I just feel like that they get it and
have bought in, and you know it's like it's there's
no magic to it. I just think, look, it's routine, right,
and I know like a lot of these teams try
to stick to it, but I just think this group
is just uniquely bought into what their coach is selling,
I guess at this point, and you.

Speaker 13 (01:13:41):
Know it's fourteen games, right, is there an area for Indiana. Mike,
I'll use the term susceptible. Is there an area of
this football team where you feel they are susceptible that
you have been surprised that no one has tried to
take advantage of.

Speaker 19 (01:13:58):
That thought it was off in terms of like the
pass rush, and you know, like the first three plays,
it was like, oh, man, like this the Alabama might
you know, figured out right, get pressure your sack and
and uh, you know use kind of some of the
disguises or things that that Indiana so that people and
you know, I thought, you know, the right side, you

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got a young kid there that that hasn't played a ton,
you know, starting and bray Lynch just kind of looked
a little shaky, and oh, you know, maybe it's up there.
But like and then they dominated up front, you know,
especially you know it was biting more of the run
game obviously, but you know for Gando Mendoza had time
time uh kind of after that first drive. But like,
you know that that group really bullied Alabama up front,

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dominated you know, to to they round the ball fifty times.
I was up in kind of fancy. It was you know,
four yard five yard chunks and we're just gonna hold
the ball. You only had a ten minute almost nearly
ten minute time of possession advantage, and so like, you know,
I just think it's hard, you know, because I think
one of the keys and it's sort of like so
simple and so easy like to just say it, but

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like they don't make mistakes, right, Like it's unbelievable. We've
seen like the special teams mistakes have like just killed
teams of the playoffs right last couple of weeks, or
you know, like turnovers, and it's like, how do you
I mean, I saw that people. Uh you know, my
colleague was one of them picked against Indiana, and I
get that, but like my question for them was, like,
especially when Alabama has not necessarily kind of played up

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to what they were doing, Like how's any Where's where's there?
Where's the mistake that happen? Where where is Alabama to
be able to take advantage of that? They they win
that game and I just didn't see it, And so
you know that that to me is what makes them
so hard to beat right now, you.

Speaker 13 (01:15:42):
Know, Mike, Mike Nayasilek is my guest, it seems to me,
and you tell me if I'm oversimplifying this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
It almost seems like we in.

Speaker 13 (01:15:52):
The media or fans, whatever it might be, we get
over caught or caught up in thinking that coaches are
constantly attacking the opponent in terms of like what's going
to work against this team, and it seems like Indiana's
formula is more so We're not as worried about what
they're going to do. We're going to go out and

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make sure that we make zero mistakes, and then, knowing
that every team is going to make two to three
of them, we're going to pounce on it, take advantage
of it, and beat you and they just before you
know it, you're down seventeen points and then you're down
twenty four and you're waiting for Indiana to cause the
hick and it just doesn't happen. It seems like Indiana's
preparation is more about the preparation of Indiana as opposed

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to the preparation against others. Is that overstating it.

Speaker 19 (01:16:41):
Well, it's part because I think their philosophy actually is
just to attack at all times on both sides of
the ball. But to your point, I think what they
learned last year, what they didn't do is stick to
their guns and stick to they did get worried about
what other teams did, what Ohio State did, what Notre
Dame is, and said, oh, do we have to change

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or do we have to modify? Do we have to
maybe less aggressive? You know, Like Brian Haynes talked about
that last year after the Notre Damn game on the
Big Run, He's like, I did not do what I
normally do in that situation, and I immediately regretted it.
Right this year, they've said, we've just got to be us,
and you know, part of the formula is obviously don't
make mistakes. But they attack and they come. But it's

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just sticking to what how you call a game or
how you approach kind of like constructing a game plan,
like don't let the opponent sort of dictate any sort
of change. Even though yeah, Alabama had nine five stars starting,
that shouldn't matter. That shouldn't change kind of how you
approach calling plays. And I think it was a lesson.
They learned it through defeat last year and it started

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it changed.

Speaker 15 (01:17:46):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:17:48):
Oregon basically was kind of the first, you know, I
think the kind of the test that we're talking about,
and they said, no, this is what we are, this
is what we do, and then you've seen the results.
Kind of every time they've had a big test, they
have not veered from what's worked. They have not changed
how they called it, and this is the results.

Speaker 13 (01:18:05):
Mike Nisa is my guess. He's on the Java House
Peel and poor guest line covering Indiana. Mike, let's look
at and you know it's funny. Part of me, in
my mind thinks we got plenty of time to break
down the matchup with Oregon. What we don't I mean,
it's kind of now turned around and boom, there you go.
When you look back to it, it feels like forever ago.
But that game with Oregon and Indiana going into Eugene

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and winning that game. Was that one where Indiana strictly
outwilled them or was there something that Oregon didn't do
and left on the table that Indiana now has to
prepare for.

Speaker 19 (01:18:37):
Yeah, I think it's really interesting because it's like you
get a rematch, and I feel like it's like a
chess match for the coaches that like it's like, well,
now we've seen everything you've done and we've gone up
against it, and so like there's there's a lot of
different layers to it now, and especially coaches that are
really good, you know, like Dan Lanning and Kurtzy Gutty
obviously are in the SOMI finals, but like, you know
Dan Lanning, you know, in terms of of like if

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you're talking about the next maybe most successful coach kind
of over the last not beyond two years since he
took over Organ, it's Stan Lanning, right, and so like
he's really really good in terms of x's and o's,
in terms of program, program building, and so like you
get in a rematch and it's like, man, what do
you counter? And like you's to your point, like what
do you change that didn't work? Or try to lean

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in that did work? Like Dante More didn't particularly play well,
they didn't particularly protect the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Well, you know, like what do you do now?

Speaker 19 (01:19:30):
And obviously these teams, you know, have you know, that
was what we like we said week five or week six,
but you know, the fifth game for each team, their
body of work and what they've learned kind of throughout
the season. I think they're both very different teams. Organ's
much improved. Indiana has learned a ton because they've you know,
slaid so many dragons basically, and so like, I just

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think it's really interesting. I don't know what the answer
is to like what organ has to like I mean,
because like I said, mistake free, like how you beat
this team. You know, they've got athletes. I think they
need to sort of lean into more of that in
their skilled position players and try to get them the ball.
You know, they did a lot of like stuff like
side to side. I think they need to get vertical,

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you know, like and kind of try to expose Indiana
that way because you know, Indian is very good kind
of on the sidelines like that, but like you know,
go try to make your weapons kind of put put
stress on India's defense because not teams have not many
teams have done that. So that might be my like
my biggest takeaway just because I didn't I didn't think
Oregon's game plan we talked about aggressive and attacking. I

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didn't think Oregon did that the first time.

Speaker 13 (01:20:35):
Mike, what was the most fun thing, if at all,
that you did. I don't know how much time you
had in Pasadena. The weather was not great. I realized
that have you been to La much or southern California much?
And if so, did you get a chance to enjoy anything.

Speaker 19 (01:20:51):
Been a I mean obviously a couple of times, and
then obviously went last year for the UCLA trip. Walked
out to Angels' flight that was cool. I'd never seen that,
which is kind of like a cable car in downtown LA.
Just a little kind of scenic cup place. And did
walk around Universal one day. We've just had press covers
of the morning, but that was probably you know, obviously

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well busy, very busy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
The rest of the time, it's I love it out there.
The weather was not great.

Speaker 13 (01:21:18):
I realized, now, did you did you red eye at
last night? Or if you're in if you're in Chicago now,
I'm guessing you did the ten and to do the
ten pm red Eye?

Speaker 14 (01:21:27):
I did the twelve thirty red Eye.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
So yes, wow, So you got no idea what time
it is right now?

Speaker 15 (01:21:31):
Right? I mean day week?

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
I mean whatever, I don't know, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
It's a Friday. Find out Friday.

Speaker 13 (01:21:38):
You're going to sleep over the course of the weekend,
and then it's down to Atlanta to Chick fil a Land.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Mike.

Speaker 13 (01:21:43):
Given that especially, I certainly appreciate the time of the
insights today.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Happy New Year to you as well. Look forward to
talking to you again.

Speaker 19 (01:21:50):
Yeah, we'll talk you down the line.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Thanks sir, I appreciate it.

Speaker 13 (01:21:52):
Mike Isaac from the Bloimton Herald Times joining us on
his way back from Los Angeles. I had my buddy
Whitaker went with his family. I mean, I know so
many people that were at the game. But I called
him last night and he's like, yeah, we're busting our
way trying to get to the airport and I think
they had a ten pm flight that gets in here
at like five am. And the airport, I mean, oh,

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hair right now has got to be just full of
nothing but Indiana fans coming back because there is a
direct But if you're coming back through there, there were
a number of them there, I mean a number of
them there. I have a question for Eddie as it
relates to something that he probably, speaking of preparation and
game plan, hasn't even thought about.

Speaker 14 (01:22:33):
Really, Yep, you don't think I've thought about something, Jake. No,
So I'm not that much of a forward thinker or
what's the thinking here?

Speaker 13 (01:22:46):
Well, I'm not saying you're not a forward thinker, but
I think it's something that a lot of people. Just
you wouldn't be alone if you hadn't thought about it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
I'll let you know.

Speaker 13 (01:22:55):
Next, okay, Eddie, Here we go on this the second
day of January twenty twenty six. Happy New Year to
all of you. First chance we've had to talk to
you in the new year. It is resume pad day.
It's what resume pad day? Okay, give me a line

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of work not related to radio. Just give me a
profession off top of your head, Eddie. Let's come with
the engineer engineer. So if you're an engineer for well,
I mean my cousin owns an engineering company.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
We won't use that.

Speaker 13 (01:23:36):
We'll use a give me a guy you went to
high school with. Give me a last name of a
guy you went to high school with Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Smith. So you are you're an engineer for Smith Engineering Corporation,
and you started there in two thousand and nineteen.

Speaker 13 (01:23:56):
You know things are going okay, the job's fine, but
you are surprised in the first week of January to
come into work and find out that you are being
laid off from your job. Now, this has happened to me,
Derek and I I think it was January ninth when
we were let go from our previous position when we
were doing radio together. But on your resume now forever,

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you can put that you worked at Smith Engineering from
twenty nineteen to twenty twenty six, and it's like, oh,
he worked there seven years. Well he worked there two
days in twenty twenty six, but you're there nonetheless exactly
resume pad day, baby, let's go. So here's my question
for you, Eddie Garrison that I am going to predict
you have not given a lot of thought, not you personally.

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That's no indictment on you, Eddie, It's just a generalization
that most people have not given this much thought. Okay,
give me your top New Year's resolution. I'm not a
big New Year's resolution guy. Okay, So you have no
goals for yourself? No, you have no aspirations of any

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higher level for yourself personally or professionally.

Speaker 14 (01:25:09):
No, not that I'm willing to share it with the radio.
But yes, Now, why would you not share it over
the radio?

Speaker 15 (01:25:16):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:25:17):
Because I don't want words getting to other people.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Oh yes, other people, meaning personally or professionally.

Speaker 14 (01:25:26):
I'm not saying one way or another.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Hmm. And what time of year would you anticipate this
change might be taking place.

Speaker 14 (01:25:35):
That's a great question that I am still trying to
figure out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Okay, let me ask you one last question.

Speaker 13 (01:25:42):
Does your credit score have anything to do with potentially
assisting or having anything to do with this endeavor?

Speaker 14 (01:25:50):
Not in this particular one. Okay, already got the house.
Oh okay, So what.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
You're saying is what you might be looking looking for
is the nickname on.

Speaker 14 (01:26:02):
What I Hopefully I don't need a new car anytime soon.

Speaker 13 (01:26:05):
So what you're saying is you might need to be
looking for a variation of the nickname of the Indiana
Football Stadium. Come again, what does Don Fisher call Memorial
Stadium the Rock? Might you be looking for one of those?
In twenty twenty six?

Speaker 15 (01:26:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Okay, Well, thanks for participating in our dialogue.

Speaker 14 (01:26:28):
You're welcome. Thank you for trying to weasel your way
into my personal life to now and maybe get back
to some people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Now, just so you know, if you want to know
how trustworthy I am now.

Speaker 14 (01:26:39):
Jake, are you gonna is that part of your news
Year's resolution is the Rock?

Speaker 15 (01:26:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:26:44):
Maybe maybe I'll believe it when I see it. Okay,
you can get what nineteen years twenty Okay, sorry, I
didn't mean to. Do you mean to undersell you there
for a year, So.

Speaker 13 (01:26:58):
You're saying that this this might be the year that
you become Indiana football and there's still the chance of
getting a ring, right.

Speaker 14 (01:27:05):
I am not answering that question one way or another.

Speaker 13 (01:27:10):
What team or sport in this market that we discussed
do you think needs to have for themselves the biggest
sit down of a hard New Year's resolution conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
I think without question it's Indianapolis Colts that would seem
to be accurate.

Speaker 14 (01:27:30):
Now you could even you could even loop in the
Indiana Pacers in this equation as well, just because.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Of where things are at right now.

Speaker 14 (01:27:39):
You know, you've lost ten consecutive games, and I understand
you don't have Tyre's Halliburton, but the drop off from
last year to this year shouldn't be this dramatic. You
go from one of the best offenses in the National
Basketball Association.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
To the literal worst. And defensively they've struggled as well.

Speaker 14 (01:27:58):
Right, Yeah, Like they've had moments where they've been, you know,
stout defensively for sure, but it just seems like, I
don't know, you always see the meme of like when
you click one slider or another one turns on and
click another slider, the other one turns off. Like the Pacers,
when they have their offense working, their defense isn't working.
When they have their defense working, their offense isn't working.

(01:28:19):
Like they just have not been able to put all
the right ingredients into the recipe this season.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Yeah, I am very intrigued at this point.

Speaker 13 (01:28:31):
Because I think we can safely say we have a
pretty good idea of where things are going to go
for the Pacers. But I am really fascinated by what
draft pick they end up with and if it's somebody
that is literally ready to plug and play. And it's
been a long time since Indiana, you know, I mean,

(01:28:52):
Jaris Walker have been madam with both lottery picks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
But I don't know that you would.

Speaker 13 (01:28:55):
Say either one of them, Mathom maybe more so than Walker,
to be a plug and play guy. And if they
end up with a top three pick, they may have
their choice of guys that are plug and play right there.
And then I do kind of like what they have
at the depth of the kind of center position play

(01:29:15):
that they need, but they do not have the regular
start at Miles Turner for all you want to say
about it. The way that he played was critically important
to what to the way they play and the way
that they want to play.

Speaker 14 (01:29:29):
I think there's that And I think the other aspect too,
is like they just don't seem to have kind of
like a vocal leader or that locker room guy to
keep everything together.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Like you heard Rick Carlisle after the.

Speaker 14 (01:29:40):
Game against Orlando talking about just some petty stuff has
been what's been plaguing the Pacers this season and why
it looks like they're not giving it, giving it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
They're all every single night or.

Speaker 14 (01:29:52):
Not playing together some nights, And to me, that just
kind of like signifies that they're missing something in the
locker room to kind of prevent that stuff from happening.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Like there's no more James Johnson on the roster.

Speaker 14 (01:30:04):
I know he didn't play, but still the presence of
James Johnson in the back room. Yeah, glue guy. He
kept everything, everybody together, kept everything connected. The same for
Tyre's Halliburton, but Tyres is still there. But I mean,
I think you lose a big voice in James Johnson.
You lose a big voice on the court and Miles
Turner and obviously the play of Tyre's Halliburton as well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Yeah, and you know, we always forget about Obi Toppin also.

Speaker 13 (01:30:27):
I mean, when you think about minutes that are not there,
Toppen is a guy that you look at and you go, oh, yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
And he's gone as well.

Speaker 14 (01:30:35):
And it seems like a pretty good development on the
top in front.

Speaker 15 (01:30:38):
Jake.

Speaker 14 (01:30:38):
I don't know if you saw this or not, but
prior to that Orlando game, he was on the court,
he was taking some shots, doing a little bit of
a shoot around.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
He was out of the boot.

Speaker 14 (01:30:47):
I know his expected return isn't until the start of February,
but still nice to see that topping is progressing through
that foot injury.

Speaker 13 (01:30:55):
As for the rest of the New Year's resolutions for
the Blue and Gold, who better to discuss that and
more than Tony East joins us next, James Boyd. Bottom
of the hour Here Querry Company, First day of the
New year, Happy new year to you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
What it's Querry in Company. I'm going to be keeping
your company for the next few hours. You are not
going to believe the company.

Speaker 15 (01:31:15):
This company.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
You're in a bankrupt your mama's company.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
At least I have the radio to keep me company.
On ninety three to five and one oh seven five
the fan.

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
With the way you guys had turned around this program,
you keep setting a new standard for the greatest moment
in Indiana history.

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
First, it was winning a game like Morgan on the road.

Speaker 6 (01:31:33):
Dante More. He takes the staff, he throws it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
It's tipped up for the air.

Speaker 7 (01:31:39):
It comes up for the football lost more for the interception.

Speaker 8 (01:31:45):

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
And it's third data six.

Speaker 9 (01:31:49):
Fernando takes it back to throw, fires it down the
field and it is come.

Speaker 5 (01:31:58):
Hold comes now twinning the.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
Rosebull for the first time. He going to the semifinals.

Speaker 10 (01:32:03):
Here's the staff back to Fernando has time rowing over
the medal.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
He's got backers.

Speaker 9 (01:32:10):
Chicker, Yeah, Tornando's there, he's under center Himmy is the
running back.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Here's the staff.

Speaker 5 (01:32:18):
Takes the handoff, looks the thrown dust throw.

Speaker 15 (01:32:20):
At the end of touchstop.

Speaker 9 (01:32:23):
Old Mark Cooper Junior touch himby on the backfield. Now
with Bernando Mendoza takes the staff. Fernando looks left, Flashi Danna.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Feel he's got surrounded.

Speaker 11 (01:32:37):
What a perfect grow by Fernando twenty four yards Indiana
Stories Again.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
been able to build in a.

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
Short period of time? The hell of a movie?

Speaker 12 (01:32:53):
Well, my husband wants to do something. He wants to
sink that damn So what I what I want to do?

Speaker 13 (01:33:02):
Rhys Davis Don Fisher on the radio call for the
Indiana University Football Radio Network and lear Field obviously you
heard there as well from Pac Hugan, the offensive lineman
the Center for Indiana talking about Bernanda Mendoza, and then
Kurt Signetti's comment says, Indiana now is the presumptive favorite

(01:33:24):
to win the national championship. Yes, there are two games,
let's play. The next one is a big one, a
rematch against Oregon. But the thing that I think that
people myself included might have simply overlooked about Indiana, and
I mentioned it with Mike Nysialik. There we so often
look at, especially when you get this far down the line,

(01:33:47):
this late in the year and you only have four
teams left. Oftentimes it's about the stardom of players, and
it's about the you know, how good players are? You know,
Jeremiah Smith is probably the best player in college football.
But with Indiana, the formula for success seemingly has not
been about dwelling on individualized talent. And I'm not saying

(01:34:10):
that Ohio State does that, or Georgia or whatever else.
But it's not about who Indiana is as much as
it is simply this, or even about what you try
to do against Indiana. I think it's as much about this.
Kurt Signetti believes in quality over quantity. It's not about

(01:34:34):
the number of stars you have coming in. It's not
about the number of reps you have to play. It's
about the quality and the way in which you go
about it. They don't practice for four or five hours
a day. They don't overdo things as much as simply this.

(01:34:55):
They simply know what they need to do, and they
perfect manner in which they do it, and they do
not make mistakes. And if you're playing against Indiana, it
might be midway through the third quarter, it might be
late in the game like it was in Eugene against Oregon,
but eventually the first mistake of the game is going

(01:35:16):
to be turned in by you and not by Indiana,
and Indiana pounces and thrives off that that's their oxygen.
And they don't make mistakes and they simply wait for
you to do so. And if you do so two
to three times in a game, then that's two or
three scores you're down. And that's the formula. It is
more simple, and I don't think anybody has really stopped

(01:35:39):
to think about that. Myself included that it is Indiana
is winning by simplifying a formula that other teams try
to outthink. And if you try to get cute against
Indiana and you try to get creative and new trick plays,
Indiana is ahead of it in terms of they are

(01:35:59):
so well coached and they just take care of their
area and they don't worry about the rest. And I
thought the best thing that Kurt Signetti said is when
he was asked, was there concern this moment would be
too big for your team? And he said, why would
it be too big for us? Just because our name
says Indiana. And that's what I said going into the game.
It's like aj Moye said when Indiana was playing Duke

(01:36:22):
in two thousand and two. Their jersey says Duke. It
doesn't say Jesus Christ and the Disciples and that's the
way you got to look at it. So now it's
on to take on Oregon in the Peach Bowl. There
is basketball to be played as well. It takes place
tonight Gambridge Field House, San Antonio without Webmam Miyama joining
us now in the Java House, Peel and poor guest line.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
You hear him on these radio airwaves.

Speaker 13 (01:36:46):
You also see him in terms of his work, and
hear it with locked on pacers Forbes, WTHR other places.
Tony East joining us now, Tony, Happy New Year to you,
Thank you.

Speaker 15 (01:36:57):
I'm buzzing. The Hoosiers are good at football. That's their
first ball one in my lifetime, and they beat Alabama
in the Rose Ball. That just sounds hilarious to say
out out now.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
When you say you're buzzing, you mean you've been drinking.

Speaker 15 (01:37:07):
I did, in fact, to drink on New Year's I
don't drink very often these days, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Did enjoy it.

Speaker 13 (01:37:12):
Allow me to ask this, and by the way, not
to make me feel old, but that win in the
Copper Bowl was over Baylor. I think it was twenty
four to three. Von Dunbar was on that team.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Trent Green.

Speaker 13 (01:37:24):
I watched that at Chris Jordan's house. It was my
freshman year of college, and interestingly enough, Chris Jordan, who
went to and is a dieheart fan of Ohio State.
And then we watched the National championship game that year
at Chris Farcas's house because he is now a graduate
of and at that time was a freshman at Alabama.
And the thought that Indiana, ever as we watched with

(01:37:47):
Jordan's house dorned in Buckeye stuff and Farcas's house with Alabama.
So the thought that ever, the day would come where
Indiana would have back to back wins over those two
programs is literally the most absurd thing on the planet.

Speaker 15 (01:38:00):
And here we are right and convincing in one of
the cases, like wasn't even close.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 13 (01:38:10):
Before we get to the Pacers, let me ask this, Tony,
since you've mentioned that you had a few beverages on
New Year's Eve. I asked this of Eddie earlier, and
I want your perspective, and I'm asking you to openly
disagree with me if I'm wrong here. It seems to
me and maybe this is because of my I don't know,

(01:38:30):
but more so this year than years past, it seems like, collectively,
as a culture, New Year's Eve just kind of came
and went on us, and it was like, oh okay,
and we didn't have Usually it's ubiquitous the week leading
into New Year's of like advertisements or conversation of this
restaurant's having a huge celebration for one price, you get

(01:38:52):
this that and a champagne toast, or a band that's
going to be playing, or here's the big gala that's
taking place downtown, or the fire works will be here,
or here is your top twenty stories of twenty twenty five,
or the legends that we lost this past year, or
the best songs of the year countdown, et cetera. And
I kind of seemingly felt none of that this year.

(01:39:14):
I'm not complaining about it. It wasn't like people were
papooing it. It just seemed like collectively we just kind
of breezed past it and weren't paying attention.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Am I totally wrong or did I miss something?

Speaker 15 (01:39:26):
It's not. I think it's the day of the week, right,
Like Thursday's kind of a crappy day for New Year's
So the middle of the week, something like my wife
went back to work, today, right Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
Obviously I did too, right, yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:39:39):
Right, right, Well, I'm you know, Pacers play obviously, but
like it just and I think that made it die
a little bit. And that weird week between Christmas and
New Year's didn't feel the same. But to Day's the week,
that's what I think it was.

Speaker 13 (01:39:50):
So so I am correct though in the fact that
it just did seem kind of I'm not saying I
enjoyed it, right, but it just didn't have the same
of years past. I'm not wrong then, right, I agree
with that. I agree with that, all right, So let's
talk about this the new year of twenty six. That
means twenty twenty five has come to a close. That

(01:40:10):
means the greatest season in Pacers history in terms of
their NBA period, at least certainly in a postseason we
turn the calendar page.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Now, what is the mindset?

Speaker 13 (01:40:23):
Do you believe I think most of us know that
the Pacers are where they are because of attrition injury,
and then if you want to talk about some interesting lineups,
But do you believe that the natives are beginning to
get restless? And by that I mean the veterans on
this team.

Speaker 15 (01:40:44):
I think they thought they'd be better than the worst
record in the league by like a lot, certainly at
this stage of the season. And you know, I think
what's frustrating if you're any of those players that were
you know, alluding to we're talking about, is that, you know,
you lose a different way every night. Like it feels
like they correct this, and then if they can't rebound
against the Rockets and then they have a million turnovers

(01:41:06):
against Eat and there are fourth quarter offensive operates against
the Magic and their defense goes away against the Celtics
for twelve minutes, it's like there's just no consistency or
thing to lean on. And so even though they have
I mean, you watch them play a lot in person
like they have I would say, thirty five minutes a
game where I'm like, yep, they look fine, are pretty good,

(01:41:27):
or like they're they're good players that we thought would
be good all season, or that actually were good all
of last season, or whatever this you know, reality may be.
They all look good, they all look effective, and then
there's some thing that happens where it all just evaporates
all at once for who knows what reason, and then
they lose because of that, and it's something different every time,

(01:41:49):
which has to be so frustrating. If you think you're
talented enough to do it and you're not, you just
can't actually get the wins that you feel like you
should be getting. So I understand why it would be taxing,
and it has been, and I understand why the reactions
to their accord are what they are because the team
looked like it could at least be decent. Right, They've
been close to a five hundred team about halberd in
past season, and they are not even in that ballpark

(01:42:12):
or realm or whatever you want to say this, he's
not even.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Close, Tony.

Speaker 13 (01:42:16):
When you look at the draft this year, and what
I mean, listen, it was during the finals, was it
not when that trade took place to get back their
first round pick?

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Oh my god, And I listen, I'm going to show.

Speaker 13 (01:42:33):
If I had to guess, I'm trying to think of
who they traded with to get who.

Speaker 15 (01:42:41):
It was that happened the Pelicans?

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Was it New Orleans?

Speaker 13 (01:42:43):
I was thinking Oklahoma City, but so New Orleans? So
they trade with New Orleans? Who did they send?

Speaker 15 (01:42:50):
Do you recall the whole trade was just the twenty
third pick for so that the pick they that they
currently sent the Pelicans was top four protected for this
year is the twenty third pick, and I think the
draft rights to Mojave King for their pick this year.
That is it. And the Pelicans bet was basically, oh
my gosh, you guys are awesome. We want the picks

(01:43:11):
now because we need the young talent.

Speaker 5 (01:43:12):
In the door.

Speaker 15 (01:43:13):
But to this now, like you could be gonna get
next year, it could be worse than twenty three, which
is very funny in retrospect.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
So they end up with what is going to be?

Speaker 13 (01:43:23):
Can we safely say that the odds are very high
that they will have a top five.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Pick, right yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:43:30):
Right now? Five is their four and they have a
one and a half two whatever you want to say
game advantage in the inverse standings. And Brooklyn, who everybody
thought would be the worst team, is five games away.
That's the fifth worst record, so they're the four worst team.
The three worst teams all have the same lottery odds,
Like there's a healthy chance to have the best odds
at the at the top whatever picks this year.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:43:52):
So the reason I ask it, Tony, this is and
I don't know how much you get into like draft
type stuff, but this is a very front loaded draft.
I think it's a good draft all the way around.
But the top five picks at minimum in this draft
seemingly are immediate can immediate play level guys.

Speaker 15 (01:44:11):
Correct, I'm never a big rookies can impact winning right
away guy in general, but that is the sense I've
gotten from people who know anything about this draft. And
the top three specifically seem absurdly good in Peterson, Devonsa,
and Boozer, and everybody tells me this Caleb Wilson kid
is amazing, and there's a bunch of other really good players.

(01:44:34):
And you know, my theory of rookies, I mean, the
rookies usually just don't know what to do or like
high level systems are confusing for them. And that's fine,
Like that's true of a lot of young players. But
this year, specifically in the NBA, a lot of rookies
have been good. Right, So maybe I'm I'm ahead of
my skis by saying that all the time, But you know,
you always wonder with a team that's in this situation,
like they're really good now and they're getting a high pick,

(01:44:56):
like how much can that player actually help them? Now,
how much should they be playing when their goals or
to win. But if these players are as good as
people say they could be, it's obviously a nice needle
to threat.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
As the Pacers.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
What have we seen, if anything out of Michaeh Potter.

Speaker 15 (01:45:11):
Yeah, he's been really solid, right they closed or excuse me,
how to closed the game with him? In their last
game they started the second half with him because I
mean Jay Hoff wasn't effective again or Dana Jackson's out,
Tony Bradley's strengths are what they are. They didn't need
that in particular against the Magic And like he had
six assists in Newston, Michael Potter did, like a lot
of their centers have never had a six assist game

(01:45:31):
in their entire career. He's already made more threes this
season than Jackson or Wiseman or Bradley has. He's been
on the team for four games. Maybe it's that was
just a great matchup for him, and we don't see
those kind of statistical nights from him going forward, but
he certainly gives them a different element, at least at
the five. I would say the biggest thing holding him
back is that he's definitely the shortest of their bigs
and maybe the least effective on the glass. But I

(01:45:53):
mean I also very rarely when you know, positing about
what he's done in a game have been like, oh,
he really stunk at this, or like, wow, he made
a terrible mistake when he did that. Like he just
goes to where he's supposed to and set the screen
and keeps the ball moving and can hit a jumper
every so often, and that kind of player can be valuable. Right.
It certainly has been well in their system so far.

(01:46:14):
They've got it a side on their non guaranteed contracts.
At some point in the next five days, that's him
and Tony Bradley. But you know, I would have taught
right after they signed him that Potter was just a
filling until Jackson returned. But he's he's at least trying
to make a case that he should stick beyond that
because he's playing pretty well.

Speaker 13 (01:46:31):
At what point, Tony Tony East is my guest Java
House Peel and poor guest line. At what point with
jaris Walker, did we just say to quote, you know
Denny Green, like he is who he thought he was,
and we know what it is.

Speaker 15 (01:46:47):
I have a hard time with answering that only because
I mean the flashes he's shown above this level were
like kind of consistent at the end of last year.
I mean, he's shooting twelve percent worse from the field
than last season. Now, obviously his volume is higher, but
not by that much. Like it doesn't seem like he
should be shooting this much worse. And the other thing is,

(01:47:07):
I know he got hurt in the conference finals, so
people forgot, but like he made forty percent of his
threes in the playoffs, he played in twelve games in
the rotation, like he was okay. He wasn't like awesome,
but he was okay in the playoffs and better than
he is playing at times this season. So I don't
think he's as bad as he has shown at times
this year. Like that road trip they went on in

(01:47:28):
early November was like, oh my god, what is happening
right now? Every game was a struggle, but he was
like over again, overwhelmingly solid down the stretch last season.
I want to say, his last like fifteen to sixteen games,
I can pull it up on talking. Yeah, the last
sixteen games of this season. Last year, the Pacers went
thirteen to three. Jaris Walker made fifty two percent of
all his shots and average I can't read. Apparently it

(01:47:51):
was averaging healthy numbers across the board eight nine points
a game, four rebounds. Then in the playoffs continued to
be productive before he hurt his ankle in the last
in that game six against the nixt So I've seen
him be better than this, So I don't want to
just use the judgment of this season to be like
it's over. But this is a lot of games where
he looks ineffective or he makes a turnover that makes

(01:48:12):
you scratch your head or whatever it is, even though
the rebounding has been closer what they hope, like, he
does make passes that are nice for a connector type.
He does make his shots. The last couple of games
he's been hitting. I think he's nine for his last
four team from the field, Like, there is a framework
of a player who is impactable in there, right, and
we've seen that player exist in real important games before.

(01:48:33):
But this is driving. He is like the least efficient
player in the league on any sort of real volume,
and that is who he's been for a lot of
this season. His VPM is like bottom five in the
entire NBA, which is one of those all in one
impacts that So I don't know that I think this
is truly who he is. I think he's better than
what he showed this year, but I do think he
has showed that there is a the role for him

(01:48:53):
to be. The most effective player that he currently can
be in his current state is a very low volume
offensive player, like who is more of a connector than
a play finisher or setup man, and that very much
limits the ceiling of what he can do to help
a team right now, because then he's just kind of
like a side guy who's not that great on defense
and you're just kind of hoping to move the ball
and doesn't turn.

Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
It over that much.

Speaker 14 (01:49:14):
Tony, when you had me on your podcast Lockdown Pacers
probably a month ago, we were talking about Jarvis Walker,
and something I brought up to you is that I
was just curious of like, if all the injuries that
have the Pacers have endured this year, guys haven't been
able to kind of clearly define their roles, and I
think Jeris is still in that category, like do we
even know what his role is with this team? And

(01:49:34):
now that they're starting to get healthier, could we see
that level of play that we saw the final month
to two months of the regular season and the postseason
that you just highlighted.

Speaker 15 (01:49:43):
Yeah, that's a great point and we were kind of
asking Rick Carlisle about that before the last game. Is like,
when you're looking at development and trying to plan what
a player's development path is, is it harder to identify
what they're getting better at or what kind of pack
they're on when you've been so hurt or you've signed
so many new players, which they had to do all

(01:50:04):
that because of their injuries. But that means that Jaris
Walker in this game is a three playing next to
these players in this game, he's a four play next
to these guys in this game. He's playing in a
small ball unit with no center with these guys, and
this game he's starting.

Speaker 8 (01:50:16):
In this game.

Speaker 15 (01:50:17):
He's not got YadA. Like you all understand it if
you've watched the games that could go on forever. That's
hard and like we've heard from some of these guys,
that part of development is being able to be good
when your role changes. Right, So this is still not
a good thing, but it is harder to be consistently
impactful when you don't know where your shots are coming

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from every night, or the guys who are setting you
up for those shots are different every night, or whatever
it's going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
That is different.

Speaker 15 (01:50:44):
So again, if you're legitimately a great player, if your
role changes, you're still going to be good, right obviously,
So that is an obvious, important distinction in this conversation.
But him and Ben Shepherd and honestly most guys with
high winzard the team has been have had to play
like kind of a different role all the time. If
you're a role player on the Pacers, your role has
been different a lot, and I think that has hurt

(01:51:05):
their chance of, you know, consistent game finding their spots
every night. Whereas last year, like you're saying, they were
really healthy down the stretch, really healthy, and thento the playoffs,
like he was their only major injury intel game seven
of the finals, right, Like they could have played everybody
in the same role over and over and over again,
and I think that helped. And so they're getting healthy
now knock on wood for the first time in thirty

(01:51:26):
whatever games, Like maybe that will help is having everybody
back and ready to go, and then everybody's in the
right seat on the bus and they can do what
they're supposed to do, or they hoped they were supposed
to do.

Speaker 14 (01:51:35):
Tony East joins us on the Java House Peel and
Port guest line.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
Tony.

Speaker 14 (01:51:39):
After the game on Wednesday against Orlando, Rick Carlisle said,
in the second half, we played like a team together
that was supporting each other and not like strangers. That's
how this has got to be. We're having too much
petty nonsense going on during games that needs to go away.
A two parterre here. Part one, what petty nonsense do
you think that Rick Carlisle is alluding to? And part

(01:52:01):
number two is what changed in the second half? That
looked like more of the pacers of last year, where
they were spreading the ball around and kind of looked
more of a cohesive unit.

Speaker 15 (01:52:10):
Yeah. I tried to ask for specifics. I know he
wasn't gonna answer, but I did want to know if
he had anything. But he kind of alluded to it
because he mentioned when he let off about petty nun
sense how much better their defense was in the second half.
I think they allowed sixty eight or points in the
first half and forty four or something. I don't know
if that mass right, but something like that in that
game against Orlando. And so I said, okay, well, what

(01:52:31):
was better in that second half? And he said, we
were concerned with the play that was happening right now
and the play that was going to be happening immediately next,
and not whether we were touching the ball or getting
a shot or not getting a shot, that kind of stuff.
And that's when he went on to talk about what
the team and the organization and ownership and all that
is about, and distractions with officials. So I would say
that that was very coded. It's something in there, right.

(01:52:52):
It was someone not being thrilled with their touches, it
was somebody flowing coverages, it was somebody not paying attention.
They were too concerned with something else, whatever it may be.
And I would also venture that they just went on
a road a two game road trip that you know,
it's possible something could have happened there that you know,
now is the time to get that out after they
played a game at home and had you know, more

(01:53:12):
of their media present, and so you know they've they've
lost ten in a row, like there's a lot of
frustrating things going on. You just wonder what specifically it is.
Like I rewatched the whole game. I didn't notice I mean,
I didn't notice any one thing that I thought, Wow,
that person is obviously complaining and rubbing wrong on his teammates.
I saw stuff that they've done wrong in lots of
other games. So I don't know that there's anything specific

(01:53:33):
that happened in this game. Maybe it was just a
culmination of it, but it's obviously noteworthy that it happens
in a game where they changed their lineup to start
the second half. Jay Huff goes to the bench, Johnny
Purvey goes to the bench. I'm not saying it was
one of those guys. I'm just saying, with so many changes,
with something like that called out, you really wonder what happened,
what kind of effect it had on the team. And
their offense did die too, Like their defense was way better,
but they scored fifteen points in the fourth quarter in

(01:53:55):
a loss. So they still have to figure out what
this is. But you know, after Siakam's com a week
or whatever ago, about you know, wondering what guys are
you know, focused on, and now this like this is
the stuff you hear about in a ten game losing streak.
They've got to get the right attitude going because this
does them no good. Right. Losing is obviously fine this
year they're in a position and they're almost ctainly not
going to make the playoffs. But you get nothing from this.

(01:54:17):
If you get no development, you just lose every game pathetically,
and then everybody's really upset. So they got to figure something.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
Out, Tony.

Speaker 13 (01:54:23):
If you had to Tony East, my guess job asse
peel and poor guest line. If you had to pick
up the three remaining teams other than Indiana, and I'm
now talking college football rank for me, Tony East's power
ranking of the team that you would most want Indiana

(01:54:46):
if they if they like, we're going to throw them
all in a blender here right in Indiana. So it
was random the team that you would most fear left
for Indiana, the second least, and then the third. So
I guess you'd go with wrongest potential opponent one, middle
pack two, and the one you would find the weakest
opponent three.

Speaker 15 (01:55:07):
Yeah, I think Oregon's probably the strongest left right. They
have a good coach, they have a good quarterback. I
you beat them in Eugene. Obviously that was a great performance.
And if I didn't throw a pick six in that game,
they would have looked like they'd womped them. Right, But
now they're tough, they're good. I think I liked Fernando
being media prepped and ready when they asked them about

(01:55:28):
Oregon on the field postgame at the Rose Bowl, and
he would like, yeah, it's tough to be the team
twice band Landag how.

Speaker 13 (01:55:34):
About the fact, by the way, Tony, how about the
fact that he was unaware he was unaware that Oregon
had won, which shows you the focus that Indiana had
in the pregame of the Rose Bowl to not know
what was taking place in that game.

Speaker 15 (01:55:49):
But you know how I mean, You've seen a million
athletes into that question our hardest, and I'd be like, yeah,
with you the once we feel confident, like, oh, I know,
so easy. It's so easy to say that, especially if
you do feel confident, but email that Oregon is good.
You know, I keep thinking, like man Ole miss our coaching.
This is like Hackne and I just read a report
in the Yahood this morning like that the rest of
their staff could be gone for this next game, So

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surely they'll fall apart and be the easiest one. And
then they look awesome against Georgia and this quarterback who
was in D two somehow, I'd never heard of this kid.
I don't watch it ton of college football, admittedly was
like amazing, but they looked really good, So I don't
know how to feel about that. Miami's defensive line was
awesome against Ohio States. So they all present kind of
different challenges. I think Oregon is the best team left
beside U. I'll probably say Miami second, Ole Miss third,

(01:56:33):
but those two are both kind of interchangeably close to me.

Speaker 13 (01:56:36):
About how about Dick vital sitting the thing that was
like watching this just further enhances that Notre Dame would
have beaten any of these teams.

Speaker 15 (01:56:43):
I do it, honest man, Like I don't. Again, I
don't really watch, BESIDEU, any college football, but I was
at a Christmas event that had Texas A and m
Miami on. I was like, oh my god, it's like,
can we just put Notre Dame min now it's dead.
It's like this is horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
Yeah. But Miami, though, I mean, has more than vindicated
themselves now right.

Speaker 15 (01:57:02):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I mean that they cross, They're great.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
It was the greatest thing ever, right, I mean, is
is there anything? But I went back. I had so
much fun. I was such a fifth grader.

Speaker 13 (01:57:12):
I went back when I had sent a tweet probably
two months ago that just said, and I don't know
it was win Mendoza was mentioned, as it was after
the Penn State game when Gus Johnson, you know, hyperventilated
and said that give him the heisman now, and all
these Ohio State fans were going on and on about Indiana,
and I sent a postage just simply said I never
thought I'd see the day where Ohio State fans like

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are insecure about Indiana, and the number of replies of
Ohio State fans, dude, we're not even.

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
Worried about it. We're just gonna win the Natty. You know.

Speaker 13 (01:57:41):
No No Da showed me when you went. And it's
to know that Ohio State lost their last two games.
They have more NFL talent than probably the other eleven
teams combined, and yet Grecian Formula went out there with
Rosie Cheeks and just completely wet himself. I love everything
about it here, you know, Duke and I you.

Speaker 15 (01:57:59):
Football and winning the games, Alabama the basketball school. Now, Jake,
it's a new time and.

Speaker 13 (01:58:03):
Then it is it is, man, it is a new frontier,
no question, Tony appreciate it. See you tonight, Pacers and
spurs over at Gambridge Field House. Thanks for having me,
Tony East joining me Jaba House, peeling poor guest line.
All right, the morning guys were at it this morning
to start off the new year. Eddie, I just saw
you clapping your hands in there. Are you doing cheers?
No getting fired up?

Speaker 15 (01:58:24):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
You doing the whoo hoosiers? Nope, Eddie.

Speaker 13 (01:58:29):
I looked up and Eddie was like popping himself up.
He's doing the YMCA in there in his little booth.
You know, people don't know this, but we're separated now
by a different room. We could see each other through
a glass window, but we got to talk through headsets.
Every once in a while, I screw up and I
hit the on air button when I'm trying to talk
to you.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
Yep, does that go over the air that way?

Speaker 14 (01:58:45):
Well, Jake, you turn your mic on that Typically what
happens is when you talk him to a hot mic
that's on, it goes over the air.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
I didn't know if you knew that or not.

Speaker 13 (01:58:54):
Well, I yes, but it's your job to work as
the last line of defense to make sure that that's
during the commercial break, that that might that on right.

Speaker 14 (01:59:01):
Well, I always checked to make sure it's off, but
sometimes you intantly turn it back on.

Speaker 13 (01:59:05):
It's a new system over here, so well, you know,
it's it's funny force of habit because the way the
buttons are lined up muscle memory right of turning off
the microphone. But the buttons are different than at our
old place in terms of the ordering of it. So
it's going to take another week or so for the
muscle memory to reset itself. But when we reset each

(01:59:28):
day on this radio station, it is the Fan Morning
Show with Kevin Bow and jeff Rickord and the third
member of that show, James Boyd, who will talk a
little colts with and find out what's going to happen
in Houston that might look different. We'll talk about it
next What when's the last time you heard this song
in a bar? The best advice I was ever given

(01:59:51):
was Ed Sorenson said to me one time, kind of randomly.
He just said, buddy, whatever you do, make sure that
you're never the oldest person in the bar always tried
to adhere to that. But Eddie, when's the last time

(02:00:13):
you closed out a bar?

Speaker 2 (02:00:15):
I don't think I've ever done it really maybe in the.

Speaker 13 (02:00:18):
Day, back in my back in the day, true story,
and only those of my age range. But you know,
I don't know now that like when people say they're
going out, like what's the what's the like I'm going
out district of Indianapolis. I mean in the mid nineties
into the mid two thousands it was Broaderpool, but now

(02:00:38):
like whenever is it massa Ave or is it Fountain Square? Yeah,
I'm not sure, but those bars in Broaderpool would close
at three forty.

Speaker 14 (02:00:45):
Five because I don't go out. When I go out,
I don't go downtown. I go to like smaller place, right.

Speaker 2 (02:00:49):
I think, And I think that's more and more common now, right.

Speaker 14 (02:00:52):
Like my spot is not now that people are just
going to go, you know, invading that place, and good
for them, they could use the business.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
But I don't know.

Speaker 14 (02:01:00):
In Greenwood, I love that spot.

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
Shallows, yes, okay?

Speaker 13 (02:01:05):
And is it do they have like a swimming pool
or is it are they describing the the the people
that are in there?

Speaker 2 (02:01:13):
Like where does shallows come from Do.

Speaker 14 (02:01:14):
You know the owner's last name I believe was Shallow.

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
Shallow, Yeah, that would make sense.

Speaker 13 (02:01:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, joining us now in the Peelum, the
Peel and Port, the Java House, Peel and Port guest line,
and I'm sure thrilled to be doing so.

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
Based on that intro.

Speaker 13 (02:01:26):
You hear him in the morning along with jeff Rickord
and Kevin Bowen on the Fan Morning show, James Boyd
joining us on the show James, Happy New Year.

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
Than I want to begin with this.

Speaker 13 (02:01:37):
For the Colts coming up on Sunday, Riley Leonard is
in at the quarterback spot. We now know that Philip
Rivers will be essentially the emergency quarterback, which, let's be real,
his entire existence with the Colts this year was emergency quarterback.
But are there other positions where we may see some

(02:01:57):
understudies getting reps intensively?

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
Because why not?

Speaker 15 (02:02:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (02:02:03):
I think there could be the case. I think obviously
you already got some one of the studies out there
at cornerback because you got injuries. Do we see someone
like DJ Gadens get in at running back? He hasn't
played and I feel like a few weeks is that
worth it? At this point to keep JP sort of
healthy and he's a finale. So those are some of
this as I'm looking at it. And then again, because
the injury, you're already playing some young guys up front,

(02:02:24):
with Jalen Travis starting at right.

Speaker 19 (02:02:26):
Tackles the.

Speaker 13 (02:02:29):
James when you look at this season, and obviously it
goes without saying that there are you know, colossal disappointment
throughout and I get that the injury comes into play
with Daniel Jones.

Speaker 2 (02:02:41):
You know, we've gone over all of this. So let
me ask you a two part question.

Speaker 13 (02:02:47):
The first is if, and we're going to strictly speak
in the hypothetical, if the Cults are to make a
change in their direction, be it the general manager or
the head coach, we will know that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:01):
How long after the completion of Sunday's game.

Speaker 18 (02:03:08):
That's a great question. I would say within twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (02:03:12):
Okay.

Speaker 18 (02:03:12):
It it's a little bit different because it's a road game,
but yeah, it is you making that announcement very soon.

Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (02:03:18):
The second question is do you, James Boyd, believe that
announcement will be heard, meaning what do you believe they
will make a change at either of those two spots.

Speaker 18 (02:03:31):
Oh, I don't think that that will happen, but I
think it probably should happen when it comes to Chris Ballard.
I can see why they would probably want to stick
with this because of the injuries that plagued the team
this year, But personally, I just think that it's stale
when it comes to Chris Ballard. And at some point

(02:03:53):
you can't look at year nine as a standalone season
and forget about everything that this year as well?

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
Do you believe?

Speaker 13 (02:04:03):
Again a hypothetical, And I only say it because it
adds perspective. Okay, if the Colts had had the exact
same season, James, Let's say that the Colts that Daniel
Jones had never gotten hurt, and let's say they didn't
even start eight and two. You know, let's say that
they just had a season where they win one, lose one,

(02:04:23):
win one, lose one, win one, lose one, and they
and they finished eight and nine. Would they still maintain
the same course? In other words, we can say that
the injury is reason why Chris Ballard gets another year,
but do we know definitively that he would not have
gotten another year anyway, because he has a year left

(02:04:46):
on his contract and because there are other areas right
now that Carli Ursa, Gordon and the family have to
focus on.

Speaker 18 (02:04:54):
Yeah, we don't know that. I don't make it very clear.
I'm not advocating for Chris Ballard to get a tenth
of the season. I just think that given the situation
they're in where they moored their future and the Salt
Garden trade with no first round picks for the next
two years, those are moves that you make if you
probably think you're going to bring back your GM and
your head coach. But yeah, when I look at the
totality of everything, it's hard to sit here and try

(02:05:18):
to excuse the collapse at the end and to answer
the question me in eight to nine in the way
you kind of get there. I do think had it
been kind of up and down, then they will be
looking at this from a different angle and perhaps it's
like blow it all up and get rid of everybody.
But I still think there's a part of this team
in this regime that convince themselves that, hey, before the

(02:05:40):
injuries kind of bid us, we were one of the
best teams in the NFL, And to their credit, they
probably are right. I lean towards them being a better
team than they were obviously with all the injuries. But man,
it's hard for me to sit here and say that
I feel strongly about running this all back because ideally,
what you're ceiling and I don't know how high it
is or how low it is with this with this group,

(02:06:00):
I still think, even with the injuries, you had to
find a way to win a game, and you.

Speaker 15 (02:06:04):
Haven't done that, James.

Speaker 13 (02:06:05):
If they were to replace Chris Ballard, the fact of
no first round pick for the next two years, the
fact of a change in ownership of which there is
still non familiarity league wide in terms of how and
that's not an indictment on Carly Orsa Gordon at all.

(02:06:27):
The reality is simply that we don't really know what
her ownership style is going to be, okay, And the
fact that you could look at it and say, in
her first year she immediately made a seismic move. Is
it the possibility that somebody who is a potential candidate
to fill that job would actually have pause in coming

(02:06:48):
to Indianapolis for the reasons I just laid out.

Speaker 18 (02:06:52):
I think somewhere, but I think that's been overstated. There's
only thirty two of these job in the NFL really
about thirty one if he counted Jerry Jones, because he's
also GM for the Cowboys, so they should have plenty
of suitors if they make a change at the GM position.
But even when I look at all the scenarios, it's
hard for me to envision a GM coming in and
sitting down and saying this is my plan for the

(02:07:13):
future without it being a very I think, three to
five year plan. I get that all gams tried to
come in with that, but at the same time, there
is no pathway if you blow this up and get
rid of the GM, and I opinion to say you're
going to be immediately in contention next year. I just
don't think that's a very real way of look at this,
because at the very least, if you keep give her

(02:07:35):
to the GM, keep staying psiking, you're banking on Dale
Jones coming off of Achilles here being your best and
the most important player, and that to me is not
a gamble. That's a wise one.

Speaker 2 (02:07:47):
James. Before we let you go, I'm going to give
you a couple of names.

Speaker 13 (02:07:49):
Would I give you the name I want you to
tell me one to ten, ten being absolutely certain one
being totally not posit or you know, unlike Okay, I'm
gonna give you a player. I want you to tell
me one to ten, ten being the most certain that
they will be when I name a person as to

(02:08:10):
whether or not they will be a member of the
Colts organization beyond this Sunday in terms of moving into
next year, you ready.

Speaker 2 (02:08:18):
Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 17 (02:08:22):
Four.

Speaker 2 (02:08:24):
Daniel Jones.

Speaker 18 (02:08:28):
Depends on if the coaches in GM are brought bag,
but I'll go eight.

Speaker 17 (02:08:33):
Alec Pierce, I'm na go I'm gonna go six on that,
a little bit lower because you'll have plenty of suitors
if he a free agency Nigua.

Speaker 18 (02:08:46):
Tag him no.

Speaker 2 (02:08:47):
DeForest Buckner, Oh.

Speaker 18 (02:08:52):
That's a good question. I'll cop out that I haven't
ask though. For me, I'm gonna go five.

Speaker 15 (02:08:57):
Money.

Speaker 18 (02:08:57):
You've got big money on the country next year, come
off surgery. I'm not so sure about Busler being a
definite yet.

Speaker 2 (02:09:04):
Jonathan Taylor, I'll go seven on that.

Speaker 18 (02:09:08):
I think he'll be back.

Speaker 2 (02:09:09):
Chris Ballard.

Speaker 18 (02:09:12):
Ooh, I'll go six. I think that it's more likely
than not that he's back.

Speaker 2 (02:09:21):
Shane Steichen seven.

Speaker 18 (02:09:26):
Put him a little bit higher than I think he's
has a better case to be bad. But yeah, and
again I'm not advocating for Chris Ballen to be brought back,
but I do think it's more likely than not personally.

Speaker 2 (02:09:36):
Okay, last one, lou and Aroumo, I know seven.

Speaker 18 (02:09:42):
I think that it's pretty expected that he'd be back
at this Virginia's back.

Speaker 2 (02:09:45):
Unless he gets a job, Unless he gets a head
coaching job, right, Yeah, But I also.

Speaker 18 (02:09:50):
Don't think that he can really sell this defense or
what he's done this season one year here to go
get a head coaching job at this point, especially a
job at the Giants. I just don't see that at
being realistic.

Speaker 13 (02:10:03):
By the way, several people would like to know whether
or not it is in the bottom of the ocean
or through your latest purchase from the MyPillow guy that
you're talking on the phone.

Speaker 18 (02:10:13):
It is neither, I asked any of us. Selling is fun,
and I'm working with old air pods, so next time
I'll talk to you on the old traditional phone.

Speaker 2 (02:10:22):
The old air pods.

Speaker 14 (02:10:23):
It sounds fine to me.

Speaker 13 (02:10:25):
It sounds a little end of the ten can to me,
but that's okay. But several people pointed out, so I
figured i'd asked, all right, James, New York's resolution for you?

Speaker 2 (02:10:34):
Anything big?

Speaker 18 (02:10:36):
No, not really, stay alive. That's always a good one.

Speaker 2 (02:10:39):
Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 5 (02:10:39):
All right.

Speaker 13 (02:10:40):
Well, enjoy Houston. If you get bored during the game,
walk across the street. I can give you the way
to get into the Astrodome, which I broke into several
years ago. Or if you walk out of NRG Stadium,
take a left you can go into Fiesta, which is
a huge grocery store.

Speaker 2 (02:10:53):
I've never been to, but it looks like a party.
So either way, I enjoy it.

Speaker 18 (02:10:56):
All right, all right, brother, thank you?

Speaker 13 (02:10:58):
All right, James boy joining us on the job house
Peel and poor guests. Line will come back. We'll let
you know what we got going on over the weekend.
Get you set for Monday. And it is the crossover
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Speaker 2 (02:11:14):
We'll catch up with John next.

Speaker 13 (02:11:17):
I am very excited for one week from yesterday, that
would be the eighth of January, to be out of
that Axels garage with our friends from Zinc Distributing and
Mick Ultra part of our Mini Hoops Challenge your chance
to win tickets to go see the Blue and Gold
taking on Milwaukee in Milwaukee against the Bucks again.

Speaker 2 (02:11:37):
That is going to be Thursday.

Speaker 13 (02:11:38):
You'll hear me talking a lot about it, and if
nothing else aside from the Mini Hoops Challenge aspect of
it and the fund that is involved there, and the
fact that it's great to be over at the garage.
Just to come out and meet the guys and gals
from Zinc is awesome because they are awesome folks and
it is always good and fun to hang out with them,
spend time with them and promote their events and their beverages.

Speaker 2 (02:12:02):
But speaking of wait, wait.

Speaker 14 (02:12:04):
Wait, when did Axel Rose get a garagin?

Speaker 2 (02:12:06):
I know, I know that you got to wear bandana
when you go in it's awesome or a rose. You
gotta go in with roses on that's right.

Speaker 13 (02:12:13):
Well, I mean bring back some of the roses from
the ninety thousand that were there yesterday in Pasadena to
watch Indiana jmb is at Ralston speaking of mass ab
in that vicinity, it is the crossover brought to you
by the good guys at Love Heating and Air, John,
I know you love being out and about Ralston's right there,
high on the list.

Speaker 20 (02:12:31):
I love Ralston's draft house. We're on mass ab my
man Daniel Jake. In fact, he just took ownership of
this place, going back more I think a year in November.
But he's going to join us a little bit later
on to explain. Very easy to get to and what
a great day to come together. We were talking about
this a little bit earlier. So many IU fans in
here to watch that game the Rose Bowl last night

(02:12:54):
that are very happy today, Hey Jake, Honestly, is it
great to see a group of people be able to
really nationally shove it up the rear ends of so
many buttholes. Seriously, just so many horses asses like they've
been able to do. Whether we're talking about Craig Carton
or Paul Finebaum or Cam Newton. Is it a good

(02:13:16):
feeling for all you fans to be able to do that?

Speaker 13 (02:13:18):
Even Don Fisher got Don Fisher got on the action, right, Paul,
find Bob play one with Tom Eddy?

Speaker 1 (02:13:27):
What are you thinking now, Paul Fine Bob?

Speaker 13 (02:13:30):
How about that? That's awesome? And again I love it.
I mean, and this is a veteran group, the Indiana team.
I mean, you know, they may not have played together
for a long time as Indiana football players, but they
have played together other places. But it's masterful scouting by
Kurt Signetty, not just in the way guys play, but
just the overall montraor the attitude, the selflessness and the

(02:13:52):
focus that they have. It is an unbelievable story, no
question about it.

Speaker 5 (02:13:57):
John.

Speaker 13 (02:13:57):
Sounded like you had because I was driving around New
Year's Eve. Man, you had it going on B one
oh five.

Speaker 20 (02:14:04):
It was after the first two hours where I wanted
to leave, to be honest with you, Jake, But once
I got into the rhythm and started executing like the
IU football team, once I got into that, it was fun.

Speaker 5 (02:14:18):
I stayed until about one in the morning.

Speaker 2 (02:14:19):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (02:14:20):
Kind of the problem is we're gonna makeshift and we'll
explain this to everybody.

Speaker 20 (02:14:23):
I know you got a run here, but we're we're
basically in a broadcast room while the studios get ready
for B one oh five point seven.

Speaker 5 (02:14:31):
So it was only equipped with two lines. So it
was an absolute log.

Speaker 20 (02:14:35):
Jam all night, and it was for the first hour
to have Jake somewhat night marrish for me. But once
we got into a rhythm and started executing, So my
first two hours looked like i U's first series two
sacks and a three and out. But after that, you know,
I kind of felt like AU did last night. We
got into the rhythm, into a groove and started to

(02:14:56):
execute a little bit, and yeah, it was fun as hell,
and we'll do it again on Saturday.

Speaker 13 (02:15:00):
So plenty of conversation, I'm sure about that getting us
leading up to the Colts Happy Hour, which takes place
today five thirty Colts Texans coming up on Sunday. Pacers
and Action tonight at Gambridge Fieldhouse and Ralston's Draft House,
where John will be to bring you all the way
up to the point of all of it. John, I
appreciate to have fun out there, all right, you got

(02:15:21):
a pal All right? JMV Again Ralston's Draft House, brought
to you by the Crossover, brought to you by the
good guys at Love Heating and Air. All right, we
will be back with you. Thank you to Mike Nysalik.
Thank you as well to Tony East James Boyd for
their time today. Eddie Garrison as well, and hoos yours.
I'm not afraid to say yeah, I would tell you.
I could say it right Indiana on their way to

(02:15:41):
Oregon and the Peach Bowl. We will talk about that.
Plenty of plenty coming up next week. You folks have
a wonderful weekend. We'll be back with you at noon
on Monday. I thank you for listening to Query and Company.

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