Live From the Indiana State Fair! James Boyd Recaps Colts Joint Practice Versus Ravens!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I say it each and every time we are out here.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Undoubtedly I love love, love, love, love love the Indiana
State Fair. And let me give you a little history
lesson about the Indiana State Fair and the Indiana State Fairgrounds.
Not the you needed history lesson, that's but you know,
I do enjoy the history of Indianapolis. Do you know
that if you were to take an aerial of the
layout of the Indiana State Fairgrounds, I mean, this makes
perfect sense. It makes perfect sense once it's explained to you,

(00:24):
But I don't know that you're kind of like aware
of it when you're here. The racetrack here at the Fairgrounds.
Of course, the Colisseum is just across the way, but
the actual grandstand and the racetrack here, which is a
one mile oval, is the exact geographic epicenter of the fairgrounds.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
So if you were to go and just stand.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
In the middle of track basically where I parked, you
are the exact you are literally like in Kansas of
a map of the contiguous United States. And that's exactly
where we are right now. I am broadcasting failing is
here hanging out with me. John Griffins here as well.
But it is because you've been hearing us talk about
this all summer long, the Indiana Sired Fair Circuit where,
of course you get the pacer racing, if you will,

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harness racing taking place, and this is the culmination week
next weekend or next week on the thirteenth, and then
today as well, it is Indiana Fair Racing taking place
here at the Indiana State Fairgrounds. Everything got underway for
the Grand Circuit action just about thirty minutes ago, and
racing will continue today all the way up until one

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point thirty. There will be eleven different races that take place. This,
of course is a celebration of horse racing and a
heritage throughout the state of Indiana, and we will talk
plenty about it over the course of today. Good afternoon
to you. My name is Jake Query. Eddie Garrison is
back in studio. Eddie had a late night last night
because of the fever. More on that in a second.
But the big talking point not just horses, like what

(01:50):
I'm watching right now, you know, really this is the
mix perfectly of the two teams in Indiana because pacers
are exactly the kind of racing that I'm watching with
the harness racing and those guys and gals are nuts
sitting back there riding around those horses that are going
around right now and warming up before our next race.
But in addition to that, of course, the younger horses,
and they most of them that we see today will

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be two years old. The younger versions are colts, of course,
and yesterday the Colts in practice in Baltimore with the Ravens,
and listen, call me no stra damis. I predicted it.
It was the most obvious prediction of all time. But
I told you yesterday, I said, listen, I'm telling you

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right now. Whenever these happen, these teams and it's not
like it used to be, you don't necessarily, like in
the old days, you don't have necessarily the teams that
have been working out and sitting around and laboring over
two days in the heat and no water and all
those things like you used to have.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
And there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
I mean, it's probably smart that we don't do it
that way anymore. But even with that, the tempers would
flare drastically because guys would get so eager, as they
always say, to hit somebody else, to hit somebody from
a different team. And therefore whenever you would get some
sort of an organized scrimmage, And in particular, if you

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have a guy that's his jobs in the balance, or
he's had a bad camp, or he's been struggling against
you know, let's say, for example, if you're a defensive
back for the Detroit Lions during the Calvin Johnson era,
and you're sitting there and you're going through two days
every day and you're having a lineup against Calvin Johnson
and Megatron's coming across the middle, and your jobs in

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the balance, and you're like, man, what am I supposed
to show here?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
What am I supposed to do?

Speaker 2 (03:43):
When you're asking me to show what I can do
against a player, that's going to make a lot of
people look foolish, right, And so therefore those guys get
completely chomped at the bit to go out and show
what they can do against somebody else, and that's their opportunity.
Now I'm not saying that's the situation with Nate Wiggins,
who was a Clemson guy and I think in his

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second year with the Baltimore Ravens and was a highly
touted corner. But yesterday it did not take long, and
the surprise was not that there was a brawl between
the Colts and the Ravens yesterday. The surprise was not
that Anthony Richardson got the starting reps, even though I
had talked about the strategy perhaps if they gave it
to Daniel Jones. The surprise was not that the Colts' secondary,

(04:30):
even depleted, was able to make life miserable at times
for Lamar Jackson. None of those things were huge surprises, okay.
And the surprise was not that eventually a fight would
break out, which is exactly what I predicted what happened
when we went on the air yesterday. I said, look,
I'm telling you right now, there's going to be some
sort of a fight today, and it took like thirty
minutes before it happened. The biggest surprise probably was the

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fact that the fight was precipitated based on the fact
that Nate Wiggins, who is a guy that Baltimore has
a lot of promise about, was getting beat routinely by
Adie Mitchell. Because Adie Mitchell, who has had a good camp,
and notably the latter part of Camp, Adie Mitchell is
starting to come on. But this is what we have
waited for. But yet a year ago. It is not

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a player that there's necessarily one that jumped out at
you or you anticipated was going to be any sort
of a difference maker in any way, shape or form
for the Colts offense.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
And he may not be.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I mean, that's the thing I think we still get
caught up in. You know, hey, a guy had a
great camp, and I mean Drew Hadad. I mentioned it
all the time. Drew Hadad is a training Camp Hall
of Fame member. But you have to do it above
and beyond the fact that you know you're doing it

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in camp. But when you start doing it and having
plays against a different defense, that's what's encouraging. So the
two big things that happened, probably three, the three major
storylines from yesterday would be, in no particular order, Ady
Mitchell's continued emergence and the fact that he was doing
it now in a different look against a defense that
he's not used to seeing and that's not used to

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seeing him, and that he was able to get behind
that defense. That was probably storyline number one. Storyline number
two would be the fact that the Colts in general
have in their two quarterback positions. I don't know that
you would say that either one of them jumped off
the page, and you'd say, Okay, that's the guy right there,
although it's still unless Daniel Jones jumps off the page,

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it is Anthony Richards's job. And I personally think that's
probably now decided for all the reasons that I've talked
about a lot, and that factor of everything that goes
into why Anthony Richardson is going to be the guy.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
But you know, Richardson yesterday was good.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Daniel Jones was also good, but Daniel Jones didn't come
in where you say, okay, wait a minute, there's so
much promise in Richardson, and he has probably more upside
and there's more intrigued and we have more invested in him.
So therefore tie goes to the incumbent, and I think
yesterday overall you would probably look at performances and say
pretty much a tie. The other storyline that came into

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play is the fact that you know, Lamar Jackson, who
is obviously a great player. We know that was picked
not once but twice. And the guy that and Eddie
we had him on, do you remember And I had
to kind of jog my memory on this admittedly, but
we had on a couple of different draft picks for
the Colts at the time of the draft, and you

(07:36):
remember the one of them was driving from Milwaukee to
indian It was during the paper Bucks series.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Am I correct? Eddie?

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Uh huh, you are correct? Well, I know that the
series would have been over by then.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Was the series over with or was it? I thought
I was thinking the series was still going on. Maybe
we were just talking about the fact that the series
had ended. Because he is he was a Bucks fan,
Am I correct?

Speaker 4 (07:59):
I can't recall if he was a Bucksman or not.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I'm being honest as native, a native of Wisconsin. Right,
two picks yesterday, and we have not yet said his name. Literally,
we have not said Hunter Waller's name to this point
in camp. Really, I mean at least we have not,
and you haven't heard a lot about it. But he
is at the safety position. He is playing at a

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very high level, and that is good news because, yes,
does that mean that he's getting to be a starter.
It does not. Speaking of starters, We're about to see
ano race here, which is cool. But what it does
mean is that it continues to give them depth and
a lot of guys, probably especially if you're a seventh
round pick, you are working your way into showing that maybe,
yes you're not going to be a starting safety, maybe

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you're not going to get reps right now, but at
the very least you work your way in where they say, look,
we've got to find special team's placement for this guy,
just to keep him active, just to keep him on
the roster, and just to keep him within our possession
because we like what we're seeing moving forward. And then
you have a depth as I always talk about with
defensive backs, defensive backs and offensive linemen, of sunglasses and

(09:07):
phone chargers, you can never have too many. You always
break them, you always lose one, you always need a replacement.
And so therefore having that sort of depth is good.
And that looks like a guy I think they were
very high on him when they drafted him, which obviously
that's why they drafted him, right, but I think they
felt he might have been a round or two higher
than where they selected him, and they went with it.

(09:28):
They liked his athleticism and instinct and that is starting
to show itself, and he's had a good camp. We
haven't talked a lot about it, but that was encouraging
to see in terms of what happened yesterday last night,
I guess you would look at the box score and
say that you can find a level of you know, okay,

(09:48):
it was made respectable, but that was a game that
got away from the fever last night. Eddie Garrison, you
were on the pre and postgame call for it, and
I was listening to the better part of the best
part about listening to the game was late in the
third quarter when John Nolan said, the Fever win streak
is in Jeopardy, And speaking of Jeopardy, that show is
filmed not far from where we are right now. I thought, okay,
a good tie in, like good pop culture Lion ti

(10:11):
In I was a fan of that. But the reality is,
eventually you knew that the way that they were playing,
it's tough.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
I mean on the road it's tough.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
But and Kelsey Mitchell had a very good game, but
Los Angeles was able to take advantage once again. What's
with the throwing the toys on the floor now, and
we'll just simply call them toys. What's going on there?
Do we know?

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Is this a league wide epondemic or just to the fever.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
It's the third time it's happened this season, Jake, and
it's the first time that it's happened to the fever,
so it seems like it's a league wide issue.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I thought it happened to the fever once before, because
didn't Sophie Cunningham post about it.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
She did, but she was just in a gen rep
sense of stop doing this, and then it happened to
the fever.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Well, when she said when she said, stop throwing toys
on the floor, it's going to hit I'm paraphrasing, she
kind of jokingly said, like one of us is gonna
get hurt or it's going to hit us. And then
yesterday was thrown at her right, so she was kind
of inviting her shot there to an extent, I guess.
But nonetheless, overall last night reaction to what we saw

(11:14):
in Los Angeles, Eddie, that's just the team, Jake, and
we talked to stuff with you why about it yesterday
that's had the Indiana fever a number.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Like they beat him twice in at Gamebridge and she
explained that the link that the Sparks played with creates
some issues for them, and that was pretty much on
display last night. And I had a feeling that game
was not going to go in the Fever direction, just
based off that first quarter alone, simply because we've heard
Sophie cutting hime after gave Stephanie White as Countless said
that if the Fever, when the Fever are winning, it's

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because they come out with the defensive minded focus in
that first quarter. That wasn't the case last night. They
gave up twenty six points in that first quarter. Los
Angeles pretty much did whatever they wanted. Can't give up
fifty four points in the first half and expect to
be able to come back and win when you're down
double figures in the second half on the road. So
I thought it was a little anticipated going into that game.
It just felt like they would do for a loss,

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and that's what ended up happening last night.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
You know, the that's the thing, and you hate saying
it because you don't want to take you put your
foot off the gas at all, But when you've won
five in a row and you know, then all of
a sudden, you have this feeling of invincibility about yourself
and so therefore when you win five in our like that,
you feel like the streak's never going to come to

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an end, and it's kind of like what and I
can't remember who was it said this during the playoffs,
but it's so true. When you are winning in the playoffs,
you feel like you're never again going to lose. And likewise,
when you have a win streak, you feel like you're
never again going to lose. Then when you drop a
game all of a sudden, then it's like everything's wiped
away and you feel like you're right back to square one.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
That's what they have to avoid against.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
And then of course Eddie, as we have talked about
the curve ball going into it, of reacclimating Caitlin Clark
and still and even after yesterday, still no more clear
indication as to win Kaitlin Clark's going to come back.
But if I had to guess, I would say it's
going to be when they go into that five game,
that five day layoff, after they have played basically back

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to backs or every three games here for the last
couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
So let me ask you this, Jack, Is it a
five day layoff if they tend to play on the
seventeenth and then the twenty second, or is it a
four day layoff because you're only off for four.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Day's ten fair fair five days.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
But yeah, four day layoff, I guess five days, right, Yeah,
so that's fair. But even still, though comparative to what
you have been up against, it is a bigger layoff
than what they've seen.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yes, And Stephanie White said last week when she joined you, Jake,
that they would need to see practices, meaning multiple not
just to you know, one or two. They'll have to
see her go through a ton of different things. And
the integration process will be fascinating to see, Jake, because
I think that'll be the best time for the Fever
to start integrating her back within the flow of the team,

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just because of how well they had been playing leading
up to the last night's game.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Speaking of integrating, by the way, I talked about the
fact that this is beautiful being at the State Fair
and integrating the heritage of the two teams within Indiana,
I'm talking about the Pacers and the Colts, which are
usually the dominant topics of conversation when you're doing sports
talk in Indianapolis. But of course the Colts we know
named for the horse breeding heritage in the state of
Maryland because they came from Baltimore, the Pacers we know

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named because of the hardest racing heritage in Indiana, which
goes all the way back, by the way to the
late eighteen hundreds. It has been taking place here at
the Great Indiana State Fair, I believe since the nineteen thirties,
and from two thousand and seven to twenty twenty they're
actually in the state of Indiana. Was an over fifty percent,
fifty three percent increase in horse ownership and breeding in

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the state of Indiana over that course of time. And
one of those watching the commission, Jessica Barnes, has been
in that position since January.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
And this is a big day. It's pretty cool to
be at.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
It is an awesome day when you have great weather
and you're out at the Indiana State Fair watching horse racing.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
It is very cool. And you know, I think when
you watch this, take me through what's going to happen today?
Were going to see eleven different races today, right, Yes,
culminating in the and there's a lot of heritage in
what takes place, in particular in races ten and eleven today,
right because you have the Fox Stakes. If I'm mistaken,
you have the Ralph Wilfong memorial that takes place with
race number eleven. But this is kind of the celebration

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of what's been taking place at county fairground statewide.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
Right, Yes, yes, So today we have the ninety ninth
running of the Indiana Fox Steak, which is a race
that was created here in Indiana and has a long history.
Like you said, the county fairs have been racing since
the mid eighteen hundreds, the State Fair over two hundred
here is what I'm told. So every state fair has
had horse racing here. So just a great history here

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in Indiana. The famous Dan Patch, which was credited with
being one of the first sports promoters, was here at
the State Fair back in the eighteen hundred. So Dan
Patch has his own brand, you know, as we have
like Michael Jordan'steck.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
I'm just gonna say, Dan Patch is the the Tiger
Woods that Michael George the Peyton Manning of the era.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Right.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yeah, He's credited to being one of the first sports
promoters out there. People followed him and came to see
him and like he had cigar boxes, he had memorabila memorabile, yeah,
that people kept. So just a great rich history of
racing here in Indiana.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
You know, when you think about and I know this
and one of the things you know, I know obviously
Kentucky is known goes without saying for horse racing. And
I didn't realize this Jessica, and this show's you know,
my naivete but Bluegrass in general, I mean, one of
the things I learned is that one of the reasons
why Kentucky it has a rich history of horse racing,
is because of the mineral that comes within the grass there,

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because of the essentially the rock bed that the state
of Kentucky lies on.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Do we see some of that advantage in Indiana?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
And when you see the growth of horse breeding and
horse racing in Indiana to what do you attribute even
though there's rich history, to what do you attribute this
this surge of the last save fifteen to twenty years.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
I think the.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Way that the Indiana legislature has positioned Indiana so the
horse racing industry receives a percentage of the gaming revenue
from the race tracks.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
So that has created a surge of.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Money into the racing industry, which has then come back
to the state immensely. So our last economic impact studies
showed that the horse racing industry in Indiana is a
two billion dollar industry, right of.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
What it gets through, which is amazing, right, Purdue that
has done a couple of studies of this, right, which
is amazing.

Speaker 6 (17:38):
Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
If you a lot of people think about when you
see the races at the racetrack or here at the
State Fair, they don't think about all the people that
touched the horse racing before that horse ever makes it
to the racetrack. A horse is being bred three years
before it comes here, so that's taking up green space
here in Indiana. Horses have feed, grain and hay, just
the amount of food that they eat and can zoom

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and contribute to the economy. And then you have veterinarians, trainers, grooms,
the trucks that have to be purchased to haul these animals,
the fencing to keep them. All of those things contribute
to our economic economy.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Is there a particular area of Indiana that is more
known for others in terms of horse you know, whether
farms and breeding.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
Depending on the breed.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
You know, you have some clusters of farms in southern Indiana,
so down you know, closer to the Kentucky border with
the breed. We have some standard breads down Montgomery area,
the Amish population. We also have some up north like
Fort Wayne Burn, Goshen that area. But we can tell

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from horses that are registered to us that we have.
There are racehorses in all ninety two counties in the state,
so it literally touches.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Every corner and literally, like I mean the county. It's
been fun to listen to over the course of the summer,
whether we're talking about in Frankfurt, know, in Clinton County
or in the southern part of the state. I mean
they're literally are these harness races taking place throughout on
weeknights throughout the entire summer, right, yes.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Yes, there is, and these horses are getting I know
you've talked about this a little bit on your show,
but they're getting points. So there's like a championship series,
so that will happen next week.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Here they took the Governor's Cup, right.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
Governors come so those horses are earning points to come
here and race, so that's why they're traveling to those
fairs and they're getting those starts. And the county fairs
is kind of like minor leagues for our racetracks. We
have the you know, Hoosir Park at Anderson, which is
your your major leagues for racing, and the county fairs

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focuses on two and three year olds, so it gives
these horses the ability to learn and to make money
and to grow and hopefully make it to those major leagues.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
So basically, Eddie, what she's saying is that the county
fairs are basically this show, and then when you go
to Anderson that's JMV. That's how that works, right, the
minor league step up. Now, let me ask you this, Jessica.
Jessica Barnes is our guest with the Indiana Harness Racing Commission.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
The off season.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I know this is a really dumb question, but I'm
assuming that these horses are not coming out here and
running around when it's the polar vortex. So what exactly
does the off season entail? And how do you how
do they keep these horses fit and in shape when
they can't get out and run.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Around, they will actually so in the cold. Then we'll
be out actually out here jogging really every day.

Speaker 7 (20:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
So horses that are stabled here at the State Fair
this is also a training facility, so they'll be actually here.
So horses that are a year old right now. So
standardbred racehorses don't race until their two year old year, right,
So people are making a huge investment when they're breeding horses.
You know, you're waiting until that two year old year
until you're going to see any profit from those horses.

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So what will happen is this fall they'll start bringing
those year leans in and they'll start breaking them, which
is basically getting them used to their equipment, used to
the race bike that you see them pull, those types
of things, and they'll start training them down so they
will go winter miles.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Now.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
Of course, if there's five feet of snow on the ground,
they won't do it. But there's a year round track
maintenance here at the State Fairgrounds. Some of the other
training facilities, who's your park has year around training. So
these trainers it is a three hundred and sixty.

Speaker 6 (21:23):
Five day a year job. It is an everyday your job.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
And much just in terms of how people can both
learn more and start following it because it is really fun.
I mean you just watch it in general and see
you know, I call auto racing for a living, right
And I'm sitting here and I'm watching it and I'm
listening to Rick, and I'm thinking, I don't know how
he does this because of the fact that you're literally
going five to six wide when they come around the turn.
I mean, it's a whole different animal. Pardon the pun.

(21:51):
But if people want to start to find out more
and continue this growth, that could do so how.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
Or where I think your first step.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
So, the Horsemen's Association and a standard Association has a
really good website that is www dot Indiana Harness dot com.
You can watch the live racing from the racetracks. There's
some links there to you know, link you to the
Commission's web page. People can feel free to always reach
out to me. Where very helpful in trying to introduce

(22:19):
people to the sport. You can visit one of the racetracks,
visit the county fairs. We have racing at the county
fairs until the first weekend in of October, so feel
free to go out to these county fairs. That's a
great place where you can get up close and personal
with the horses. So you don't have the licensing restrictions
that you have at the perimutual track. So you know,

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if you were here at the State Fair today, you
can walk back in the barn area and see those
horses up close and personal. If you come visit the
State Fair in the next couple of weeks, there's barn tours.
You can walk into a barn and see a standardbred racehorse,
and there's people in there from the industry that's more
than willing to help answer your.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Questions, which are fascinating, by the way, the bar to
everything that goes in to it, because I've done barn
tours and it really is remarkable.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Lastly, let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
You know everybody when it comes to horse racing that
everybody always says, what would be the name of your
race horse? I mean that's a very important step, right,
So I have I've thought long and hard about this
over time, and you, being Jessica Barnes involved in this,
would be the ultimate judge. And and you know critique
of my of my horse racing name. Okay, Now I
have one that's PG. Thirteen, so I can't say that

(23:25):
on the radio. But I have another horse racing name
that I've come up with. You ready, okay, unequal to equine?

Speaker 5 (23:30):
Oh that's cool. Now you're going to have to when
you talk to Rick today. You're going to talk to
Rick later today, aren't you a the counser ask him
what he thinks about that, because he's had some struggles
with names over the years. So there's some names that
you've got to be able to say him really fast,
because sometimes names don't do well really fast and they
get not PG rated when you say them.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Really, it's like when when when Santiago Yorutia was taking
on battle, you know, side by side with you know,
Mario Marias or something. I can get tongue tied. So
I get that. But I think equal to equines pretty easy.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
Right, I think that's pretty good. I think that's bad.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
John Griffin gives to the thumbs up as well.

Speaker 6 (24:05):
Yeah, somebody may have to steal that and use that.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
U E squared to it for his friends. But just
unequal equine is what I'm going with. Okay, So the
rest of the day today, Jessica, and then next week
obviously week from today Governor's Cup, everything taking place? What
does take place at the fair between now and then then?
Or people are we back to, you know, making sure
that we're also paying attention to the County Fair.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
Grounds.

Speaker 6 (24:28):
There is a County Fair race on.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
Friday at Portland, so there's one more stop with the
Governor's Cup. So if you're in that area, there will
be horses racing there. There'll be barn tours out here
at the State Fair all weekend, so you can stop
into the horse racing barns and see those, and then
we'll be back here for the Governor's Cup. There is
this Friday. I have to I'd be remiss if I

(24:52):
didn't mention it. At Hoo's Your Park? They have their
three hundred thousand dollars damn Patch stakes at Who's Your
Park the Friday evening. That's a five thirty post time
free admission to the racetrack. So if you're in the
Anderson area you can stop in and see some great
horness racing up there.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Okay, here we go, Eddie Ray six. You tell me, Eddie,
which one of these names you like best? We got
Heart Song, Cas the Boss, Limestone Gal watching Blue Chip.
I hope that's not the movie that was terrible. By
the way, good as you Princess in pink and can't
touch these?

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Eddie, which one are you going with there? Of those seven?

Speaker 4 (25:26):
I think I'm going to go with the horse that
is sounds like he's empcy hammer.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Can't touch these, can't touch these all right, We'll see
if he dances his way to victory. Here he's in,
starting out and on the outside heart Song, of course,
because of our connection to Franciscan health.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I'll go with Heart Song as my winner for this.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Jessica, man, I am, I say, man, I am thrilled
to be out here. I truly do appreciate you guys
letting us kind of take a peek in on everything
that's been taking place this summer and coming out and
enjoying this as well, because I love the Indiana State
Fair and I love the heritage in the history of
sport in Indiana, and that includes horse racing first and foremost,
because it's been around before the eighty five hundred.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
As a matter of fact, they were doing it. So
certainly appreciate the time.

Speaker 6 (26:07):
You're welcome. We appreciate you coming out here, Jessee.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's great, Jessica Barnes.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
As race number six about to get underway, we will
take a quick recess.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
I'll let you know when we come back. If Eddie's
horse wins.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Can't touch these maybe I'll go to the window Eddie
and put one down for you. And we've got plenty
of people talk to, plenty of people to talk to
over the course of today. But when we come back,
who was it, In fact it was making a difference
yesterday for the colts.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
We will get into that.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
James Boy going to join us on the show as well,
live from the Indiana State fair Grounds as we are
here for all of the harness racing taking place between now.
In one thirty is when race number eleven will be run,
and then at two thirty today we'll let you know
who it is that has won our State Fair prize
pack for the Governor's Cup, which is a week from today.
All of it here Querian Company. You're listening to it

(26:53):
a ninety three five and one oh seven to five
of the fan. Yes, Eddie Garrison is not dancing dancing,
that's because I can't touch these was touched does show,
I should say, but placing in that race, it was
in fact heart Song as good as you winning. So

(27:14):
race number six is complete here at the Fairgrounds. This
is cool, This is super cool to watch all of
this taking place. And I think I'm most excited as
excited as I've been in a long time in terms
of guests to have Rick Uppel, who is the voice
that you hear doing the races? We've been playing them
all summer long. Eddie, you're impersonation of him again? If
you could go ahead again, Eddie, please, it's show tap.

(27:38):
That's pretty strong him saying it. Do you have the
two cuts of him saying it, because that's pretty strong
on me. Play those, but go ahead and play him
and we can do a little compare and contrast.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
I think I have them. I didn't. I forgot to
save them. It was like, uh, what committed the cardinals?

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Sin? Yes, I'm sorry, what do you What are you
like cleaning out your your inbox or something? Did you
get some you know what it was? But here's what
And you tell me if I should be concerned by this.
I got a an email today that said that I
need to settle up some sort of bill with an
online company or else I'm gonna lose all my photos
and videos on my phone because I'm out of storage. Now.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
That seems like a scam. Is that a scam?

Speaker 4 (28:21):
You never know, Jake. But I did find it. I
did save it.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Oh okay, so let's hear you first, Eddie, let's hear
you first. All right, here we go, it's show time,
show time. Okay, a little more roll of the R
from him. Yeah right, yeah, it's almost like a roll
of the t. It's it's more of a you know,

(28:45):
and there they go that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Right, there's there's like a flim I guess, build up
in the throat.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
There now, not flim. Now, I'm looking at regulars to a
healthy guy, not not flim. No, we try not. We
stay away from flim chat right, what it's Unlet's it's
January when apparently, and I didn't know this, the horses
are out running.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I had no idea that the horses are running even
in the wintertime. I mean, I guess I should have
figured out that. You know, it wasn't like people were
stopping going out in eighteen forty nine to find gold
in the wintertime. I mean they were, you know, I
played Oregon Trail. The horses run all year long. I
guess they have.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
To embrace all the conditions, and they have to, you know,
they have to overcome so much adversity throughout the course
the year. Is just to stay in shape. Care to us,
I mean, we have to do for you of being
able to go inside to a nice you know, heated
a gym or whatever it is, or air conditioned.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
You know. I think horses are such cool animals, man.
They are cool animals, no question about that. Colts yesterday
Ravens practice out in Baltimore and they are getting prepared,
of course for preseason game number one, that will be
tomorrow night. And James sent me a text that said
he disagrees with me. And let me explain James what

(29:58):
I meant, because I get what James is saying. Allow
me to read the text. I said earlier in the
show that I thought that Anthony Richardson, if there is
any sort of a tie, that Anthony Richardson for sure
would be the guy that they go with because they
have more invested in Anthony Richardson. And James wrote me
a thing and said, I would disagree. The Colts had

(30:18):
more invested in Richardson. They're paying Jones fourteen million dollars
this year. Yes, Richardson was a high draft choice that
I believe they're expecting Jones to start. I get it,
and I'm that is a very good point. But I
think you have to look at what I mentioned yesterday,
and I think Nick Conjon had put it out on

(30:39):
the ex post Twitter of me talking about Richardson and
saying it's almost symbolically what they have invested in him.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
And the reality is this.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm not saying that it's fair, but there's a reality
when it comes to Chris Ballard and the Colts brass
and that reality is Chris Ballard knows this, and I'm
assuming that he assumes Jim Irsay thought this, and yes,
it is unfortunate. You know that there is the variable

(31:14):
now with the passing of Jim Irsay. But when Chris
Ballard came to the Indianapolis Colts. I was thinking about
this today. Actually this morning, I was somewhere and I
saw a guy wearing a T shirt that said the
rivalry is back on, and then it said, you know,

(31:35):
Chris Ballard, I'm like, man, that seems like forever ago,
where Chris Ballard as his first duty as the general
manager of the Indianapolis Colts, his first real job, his
first real assignment, his first real test was to hire
a head coach. And his first choice, excuse me, his

(31:57):
first choice was Josh mcday annuals, and we know what
happened there, and I had forgotten almost entirely about that.
I was in the press conference when he was explaining
what happened with the you know, the about face before
the contract was signed, after the Colts had announced that
they had made a decision on who they were going
to hire, and then Chris Ballard saying the rivalry is

(32:18):
back on, and he walked off and everybody was like,
that's my guy, let's go. Well, what's interesting about that
is that rivalry may still be on, but it faded
almost instantly because the Colts didn't uphold their end of
the bargain, and the and the Patriots now are a
complete afterthought with obviously bellis you know everything that's gone

(32:39):
on there. But with that said, the first big test
for Chris Ballard he had to get a second go
of it. And even then he goes with Frank Wright,
and that was almost like by a safety default. And
I think that Jim irsay, I don't know this, but

(33:00):
Jim Mercy probably had a lot to do with that
as much as anything else. But then something has happened
since then that makes me believe and validates why I
think that there is more riding on Anthony Richardson and
more invested.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
And I'll get into that and.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
We'll talk to James Boyd in just a bit as
well as another race has taking place. Only five in
this one, okay, so Eddie, you tell me, Okay, March's
seven rolling explosion, text me maybe? And fifty to win?
Who you going with? Mart seven rolling explosion? Text me
maybe and fifty to win?

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Let's see, I can go two ways here. We got
the Carly Wade Jepson inspired horse. Instead of call me maybe,
it's text me maybe, I gotta go with what was it?
Fifty to win?

Speaker 7 (33:47):
Jake?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Fifty to win? Yep, that's what I gotta go with. Okay,
So Eddie's going to fifty to win. I kind of
like to text me maybe. I'm down with that. That's
kind of a cool name. I'll go with text me
maybe in this one. Now watch, it's gonna be either
March seven been a rolling explosion. Since there's only there's
only four I said what I say, there's four horses
in this race? Race number seven here will let you
know what happens. What's that you got to figure out

(34:08):
who was scratched. Then no, there's there's there's only four listed.
March seven, Rolling Explosion. Text me maybe in fifty to
win we'll find out which one is the winner. I'll
let you know when we come back, and i'll let
you know. Also, I'll continue my conversation about why precedent
indicates how big this is for Ballard in his mind,

(34:29):
and why I think he leans one way because of it.
We'll get to that next we return here to the
Indiana State Fairgrounds Quating Company on the fan.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Now, I'll be honest, Eddie.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
During that last race, race number seven here at the
Indiana State Fairgrounds, part of the Grand Circuit action taking place,
I glanced away for just a second, but I'm looking
now as they're bringing the winner over, and I'm fairly
certain who did you Who did you pick in that one?

Speaker 4 (34:54):
At we had the winner, Jake, don't worry. I was
listening to our guy Rick couple in the background there.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Fifty to win one, right, Yes, that's right. Yes, I'll
tell you what. Fifty to win is frisky. That should
be frisky to win. Fifty to win is celebrating. Fifty
to win is celebrating he's got his own little like
Deon Sanders dance going on here?

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Really?

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Okay? So yeah, yeah, are now take out on the.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
YouTube so the fans of our viewership can see this.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, hang on just a second. Let
me see if I can do this.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Is that Grandpa, you're ready get up out of his chair.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
He's kind of doing like a like a like a
Deon standards, you know what I mean. Oh, it's hard to.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Do because I got this chair here, and I got
a headset on and everything else. But there was a
little bucking going on there for sure, just.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
A little bit.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
If somebody was behind you in the stands above you
watching and then just see this guy getting up and
just start just randomly dancing like.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
What the hell with heads mind you? Yeah, yeah, with head.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
It's a headset, Jake. We've established this. It's just one
one headset.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
But there's two years so it's headsets now.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Okay. So the Chris Ballard, So Chris when he took
the job with the Colts, I think there were he
was a young guy and there was a.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Lot of promise about Chris Ballard. There was a lot
of expectation.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
There was a lot of discussion and chatter about the
fact that he was the bright, guising and rising star
within NFL executives. He had never been handed the keys
to a franchise, but he had worked in scouting with
the Chiefs and had success, and he gets the opportunity
with the Colts, and I think that Jim Ersay again

(36:30):
was very eager to get a young guy that Jim
Ersay could. I think Jim Mersay with Ryan Grigson when
Ryan Grigson was hired. It is my belief that Jim
Mersay wanted to kind of erase the one glaring flaw
in the resume of Jim Irsay. Jim Irsay in the

(36:50):
one thing where he had it just didn't go the
way that he wanted. His life was as the general
manager of the Colts, when he was the general manager,
when his father was the owner, and he traded for
Freddie Young, and he traded for Dickerson, and he brought
in Ron Meyer and they did the wishbone. And I
just always got the impression that Jim Mersay wanted to get.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
And I understand it. I totally understand it.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
You know, you want to make good on the one
thing where you felt you fell short. And so when
after Bill Pollion was here. I think Jim Mersay was
very focused on getting a young guy that not only
could Jim mrsy groom and build into a great general manager,
but also one that could still allow Jim Rsay to

(37:36):
And yes, he's the owner, he obviously doesn't matter who
it is. He's going to have some say in what
goes on. But I think getting a young general manager
that is going to be impressionable to Jim Mersey's suggesting
an influence was important to him. And so we know
what happened with Ryan Grigson, and he moved on from

(37:56):
Ryan Grigson, and I think he decided to go with
a GM that there was a lot of talk about
how Chris Ballard had checked all the boxes and that
other teams were very enamored by the possibility of him
being an executive, and so Ersay thought, here is my
chance to get a young guy that I can continue

(38:18):
to still kind of make suggestion to. But at the
same time, now Ersay is wanting to make good on
two things. Number one, his general manager era and then
secondly still showing that he had the ability to hand
pick a young guy that was the genius in the
rough that he was going to get credit for handing

(38:41):
his franchise over to an unproven guy, which Chris Ballard was.
So then Ballard comes in and his first test is
that of the coaching higher it does not go well,
he has to get to make good on it. He
does to make good with Frank Reich. Even then he
had to again go through a search and hire, and
it looks like he might have gotten a good guy

(39:02):
in chains Tiken. You know, still remains to be seen.
But for Chris Ballard, the other area where he wanted
to make sure that he hit was on the two
most important decisions that GM makes, what coach to hire
when there's a vacancy and what quarterback to hand your
franchise to. And on the first one he needed more

(39:23):
than one swing of the bat. And on the second
one he walked into a situation where he had Andrew Luck.
Everyone and their brother would think to themselves, look, it
doesn't matter if they won nine straight Super Bowls Andrew
Andrew Luck. Chris Ballard knew that a lot of that
credit was going to go to Andrew Luck. And so
then Andrew Luck retires and now he is in a

(39:45):
situation where the quarterback position and situation is one that
he has to address an answer to. And he went
with a couple of band aids, and then finally whether
it was Chris Ballard, whether it was Frank Reich, whether
it was Jim Mersey, I don't think it was Chris Ballard,
but he went with Carson Wentz. He agreed to go
with Carson Wentz, and immediately his boss, the owner, had

(40:10):
took exception to the selection that he made. So then
finally he goes back, and then he goes back to
another band aid and ultimately it comes down to, Okay, now, kid,
you're getting your chance to put your total stamp on
this franchise by selecting the quarterback of the four that

(40:31):
are in the offering. And yes, they were not drafting first,
but if you look at Houston, for example, you know
they moved up to get Stroud and Bryce Young, they
moved up to Carolina, moved up to get Bryce Young,
and so that possibility was there. But the Colts were
okay holding back because and he was on record of saying,
if I had the number one pick, Richardson is the

(40:52):
guy I was going to go with. So he had
it on record that Anthony Richardson is the guy that
I Chris Ballard as the scout and the brain trust
that the Indianapolis colts. This is my guy. And despite
how much money he has given A. Daniel Jones, there
still is the biggest investment in Anthony Richardson because it
is the second chance at a position that the general

(41:18):
manager is so important and a linked to, and also
after the first one of those being the coaching thing
not getting right on the first go round. You could
make the argument that this isn't the first go round
at the quarterback, but in terms of a young franchise
quarterback plucking it into the draft, it is. And he
wants to make absolutely certain that he gets that right

(41:39):
because if he learned anything from Jim Irsay, it's the
fact that when you haven't something where a critical decision
is yours, or you have something on your resume that
you feel like you fall short of your own expectation
or external expectation, you chase the rest of your life
trying to make good on that. And Ballard knows that,
and so Ballard is going to do everything he can understandably.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
So I totally respect it. I totally get it.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Chris Ballard is going to do everything he can and
literally unturn every single rock and look at every single
pass and every single angle before he puts any sort
of finality into the fact that Anthony Richardson is not
the guy. And if they go with Daniel Jones this year,
as the assumption, if they were to start in week one,

(42:24):
that they selected him over Anthony Richardson. So unless there's
injury involved, if Daniel Jones is selected as the starter
week one this year, for all intent and purposes in Indianapolis,
it spells the end of the era of Anthony Richardson.
And that means now that Chris Ballard, once again, with
a benchmark decision, has to then ask for a make good.

(42:47):
And he knows from his predecessor and his not his predecessor,
from his from his mentor in Jim mersay that you
chase that forever. And he knows it. And that's why
there is more invested and more involved with Anthony Richardson. Okay,
Race number nine is about to get underway here, Reddie,
let me give you the names you ready, Okay, we
got bells for all high speed swan good luck, Mark

(43:11):
Tarzan won't let him and on to Norway.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Wait, wait a second, do we skip over RaSE eight
we just had?

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry I got ahead of myself.
My apologies. Okay, here we go Race number eight, Deal
the Odds, Ponda Ferrari, this JK. Rocks, the family Man,
and Derby Up.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Okay, I'll let you pick first since I got the
winner last go round.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
You know what, my dad's on the mend.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
I'll go with the family Man because he is the
definition of a family man.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
I'll go with the family Man.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Although you know what, though, if the family Man doesn't perform, well,
I'm gonna think there's some sort of weird voodoo there.
Scratch that scratch family Man. I'm gonna go with Derby up,
Derby Up. Say, so you've got Deal the Odds, Ponda Ferrari,
this JK Rocks or the family Man.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
I think I'm gonna go with this JK Rocks.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Okay, Now do you think that's what JK? Do you
think it is?

Speaker 1 (44:15):
It?

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Jack on the Rocks? Is that what that is?

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Is?

Speaker 1 (44:17):
JK Rawlings? What JK? Are we talking here?

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Not sure?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Jkurne? I think JK. Burnee was a race card driver. Okay,
this JK. Rocks is Eddie, and I'm going with uh,
let me see.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
It, Famlin. Which one do you want?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
We got deal the Odds, Ponder Ferrari or the family Man.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Which one do you want?

Speaker 7 (44:35):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (44:35):
He goes with the Ponder Ferrari go figure. Yeah, all right,
we'll see. We'll see who wins here. In race number eight,
did you say James Boy going to join.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Us, Eddie?

Speaker 2 (44:45):
That is right, James Boy joins this other side. We'll
get caught up on the Colts and the Ravens and
try to get exactly what it was that Adie Mitchell
said yesterday he and Steven Holder. We'll ask him next. Okay,
a couple of things to address here. Number one, Deal
the Odds was the winner there. In race number eight,
Number two Derby Up was apparently unaware of the fact

(45:08):
the race had started a bit of a problem for Derby.
Up finished the race to get the nickel, as Rick said,
but way off the pace. And number three Eddie apparently
sent video of me dancing to Shannon.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Now, you kind of did me wrong, Eddie.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I wasn't expecting and I know James about to join us,
and there's people behind me here. But Deon Sanders dance
used to be It's kind of hard to do like impromptu,
but he would do like and then would go to
the other side.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Here's the thing, then, where your currently position. We can
hardly see you on the YouTube, Boomer, so I can't
really want clip it off to send it to Shannon. Now,
she did say that with the initial rendition of whatever
the hell that was, she said that you should go professionally.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Of course, I'm a very good dancer. I'm very fleet
of foot. Listen.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
I went to missus Kinnear's catillion when I was a kid.
I was a very good dancer. Do we have James
by the way, we do all right? James Boyd joining us,
and I'm sure thrilled to be doing so. Now he
is in Baltimore, Colts Owing is it Owing's Corner, Owing's owner?
What's the name of the town that you're technically in, James.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
It was Owings Mills, So I'm actually back in.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Indy Owings Mills. There we go, Okay, back in Indy.
Is James Boyd?

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Of course?

Speaker 2 (46:23):
You hear him in the Morning Show with Kevin Bowen
and jeff Rickord and was yesterday at the practice the
joint practice between the Colts and the Ravens, and his
duties for the athletics. So James, let's get right to this.
I want to get to the Ady Mitchell thing first,
because I think there was a lot of question mark
and curiosity, understandably so, about whether or not ad Mitchell

(46:43):
could maintain and sustain what he has done in the
let's say, last two thirds of the camp before they
got to Baltimore. And by all account yesterday, all signs
are good with that, correct.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yes, absolutely, I believe the Colts just posted the highlights
on social media and so go watch that after your show,
of course, But yeah, he was cooking. I mean, the
guy looked stress out there yesterday. I would argue that
Adi Mitchell was the best offensive player for the Coast
and it wasn't particularly close. And I doesn't mean the
other guys didn't say, well, but he looked like a
star yesterday.

Speaker 7 (47:16):
And I know.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Everyone's gonna tell me is just appreciated. It's just a
joint practice. But I can only go based off what
I see happening in real time. In real time yesterday,
he was like the best player out there.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Okay, And the question I would have.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Is this, James, when when you look at Ady and
I asked this sincerely because we didn't get a whole
lot of opportunity to see this a year ago. Okay,
if Ady Mitchell is able to be the player in
this offense envisioned that they want him to be and
he is out there on the regular I mean, we
know that Michael Pittman Jr. Is your you know, your

(47:51):
dynamic like over the middle, durable receiver.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
We know that Josh Downs is your get loose in
the slot guy.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
We know that Alec Pierce is your beat the defense
and hit the long ball when he gets behind the
defense guy. And we know that Tyler Warren is probably
you're over the middle and then yard after catch guys.
So what exactly when you look at Ady Mitchell, the
perfect in vision for him is what operating area offensively?

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Good question. I think that he would play outside. I
think he would be I talk to coach Brigmanchuri about this.
But you will put on you know, opposite of Alan
Pierce possibly and and force their defense at to count
for two guys that can take you Deepen and Curry
Valla piris as well. He's shown some riding his route tree.
So two guys that can kind of rash you up,
but also you know, have to basically force you to

(48:40):
play two safeties over the top just case you get beat.
Like for example, Mike Cleyman junior, very good receiver, doesn't
have the long speed that eighty Mitchell has. Thady Mitchell
around four to three come out of college and you
saw yesterday on the field, So I think that's where
ideally you would want to have it on the outside
from pressure on the safety's from pressure over the top,
and then something the ability to you know, get back
inside and play need because I think that Bitman could

(49:02):
be a pretty solid like possession catcher, slide receiver, slash
extra tight ends whereas Ady Mitchell I think, is you know,
more built to be a Honestly, his skill set is
talent wise, it gives him ability to be a true
number one receiver. But I'm not saying he is right
now at all, I understanding talent wise, he has more
than in that room than anybody else.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Okay, there was a fight yesterday, right and this was
how far into practice this.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Was probably I don't know, in hour plus it's a practice.
It was one I believe it was like a second
Special Teams period and I didn't get a good look
at it because they had two fields. And long story
short for those listening, they are way more strict there
with media than they are here with us at cold
camp are there are persons you couldn't stand and you
couldn't use their from the shirt and all the stuff. Anyway,

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I couldn't see it that well. But what I understand
when I gathered uh Tyler Gudskon got lit up on
a special teams play on a part time, which is
kind of on call for. And then Nate Higgins, the
rageous cornerback came off the sideline and got to fighting
or it's got thattline started punching it.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
So it's so bad it isn't okay.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
So Nate Wiggins, by the way, who is Oh wait
a minute, hang on, James, I'll let you in on
this race Number nine is about to get into way
here at the Indiana State Fair.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
So James will give you the first pick.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Here are the horses that are running in this the
harness horses that are racing in this ninth race. James,
you tell me which name you like best bells for
all high speed Swan, good luck Mark, Tarzan, won't let them?

Speaker 1 (50:35):
And on to Norway. Which one do you like best? James?

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Good luck Mark? Because that's that's Mark Ductive right now,
trying to find those Mondos Kevin Bowen.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Ex Okay, good yeah, good luck Mark. In general, it's
a mantra for Okay, Eddie, which one are you going with?

Speaker 1 (50:50):
There?

Speaker 4 (50:51):
I'm going to go with an underrated Disney film.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Tarzan Okay, Okay, Eddie, going with a film being underrated
despite it being like a household name for the last
one hundred years in film and screen. Okay, I'll go
about I'll go on to Norway, On to Norway. Okay,
there we go. We'll see, we'll see who wins in
this one. James Nate Wiggins is a guy that is

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a second round pick. He was out of Clemson. He's
a young guy for Baltimore and you know you had
mentioned that he came off after the Goodson hit and
things that were getting heated. How much of that was
do you think frustration before that because Wiggins was the target?
Am I correct and saying? And Ady Mitchell kind of
yapp into the media about the fact that he had

(51:37):
been burning Wiggins on the regular basis correct.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know for sure if that's
the case, but I do know that on Frock I
was I'm sitting outside here in the trucking. I'm gonna
heare some people with that loud norther than his name. Anyways,
with Ay Mitchell, I just think that he was cooking
Wiggins double the fact, and it certainly didn't, you know,
help Wiggans just taste, and so maybe he was just
said about that to begin with. But it was a

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wild to see him or here that he ran off
the sideline to fight. Oh my god, So he got
ejected and then Tyler giftson stay in practice that all
he basically did was defend himself. So just a weird incident,
but honestly, or it to be labeled as a fight,
which it was a couple of bunches drones, Jake. It
wasn't like an all out brawl where you know, people

(52:23):
will questioning what practice were zum. It was kind of
a little scuffle quarterbacks ran over. But I knew it
wasn't that big of a deal because Quentin Nelson never
gotten a mix, you know, among he's chilling everyone else
is killing too.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah. It's like if James Johnson's on the bench for
the Pacers, You're like, yeah, that was nothing right, It
was mine exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
You know, if you gets in there, then we got some.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Issues, James.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Between Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones, which one do you
think saw more looks from Baltimore? Which one actually was?
Because that's one of the things I think that we
need to look at is it's not about necessarily what
these players are doing. These quarterbacks are doing statistically speaking
in these you know, scrimmages and or preseason games. But

(53:06):
more so, what are all things given equal? Are they
going up against the same kinds of looks, the same
sorts of stunts. Which of the two of them yesterday
saw a more realistic NFL defense?

Speaker 3 (53:21):
I think it was pretty vanilla for both of them, honestly,
and Kim Biden talk about just on the coaches side,
you don't want to show a lot of your stuff,
But I think that Anthony kind of forces the defense
even if you have vanilla, to still be a little
bit different because of the running dynamic. I can't say
Daniel Jones doesn't have that ability too, but I mean

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Anthony when he Telby's a little bit more dynamic in
the run game. So I thought that that was probably
one of the biggest differences, was seeing Holla Raven's kind
of adjusted or try to adjust. The fact that you know, hey,
if you got a Jane read, which was those for
those listening, is basically a two man run game with
the quarterback and the running back and he deciding whether
to keep the ball himself and run or give it
to the running back. There are a couple of times

(54:04):
where you know, the Ravens gets wrong and they let
you some big, big plays. So I think that he
saw more of like the variety defensions because he gave
him more variety on offense. But I thought both quarterbacks
had a pretty solid day, Jake, And honestly, I'm kind
of waiting for one of them to have like a
bad day, clearly, and they ever gonna have a really
good day. They kind of held each so far.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
James, is there a disadvantage?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
James Boyd is our guest who was at the practice
yesterday between the Colts and the Ravens and his duties
for the athletic He also, of course, you hear on
the morning show here the Faded Morning Show with jeff
Rickord and Kevin Bowen. As by the way, race number
nine is getting in away, my mom wants onto Norway. Also,
she's also going with if On to Norway wins. I
should what do you think, James, if On to Norway wins?

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I should take my mom to Norway? What do you think?

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Does that sound fair?

Speaker 3 (54:53):
That does sound fair? Sounds amazing.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I could probably take her to like you know, Oslo,
Nebraska and call it even but race underwell, I let
you know who wins here. But getting back to this question,
if you are the Colts and whether it be the
preseason games or these scrimmages, and there's tape on all
of it, I realize is there a disadvantage for Indianapolis

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or any franchise that is having a quarterback battle in
this fact, because you are trying to figure out which
quarterback you want to go with, it forces you offensively
to work on more things and thus open your playbook
up a little bit more than you normally would. And
while defenses might be vanilla at this point in the year,
offensively you are forced to show a little bit more

(55:39):
of the side offerings because you're testing both quarterbacks and
want to get them as many looks as possible, and
that actually can be a disadvantage towards forecasting for teams
more so who you're going to be in the regular
season than you would normally do so in a preseason.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Any truth to any of that, I think.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
There is a little bit truth to that. But at
the end of the day, good and teams know what
you're gonna do, you can still be able to put
it off. It's just good enough to do it. I mean,
people know what the Chiefs like to do it, Patrick Mahons,
people know what Lamar Jackson the Ravens like to do
with him and his skillset, and they're still very effective players.
Josh Allendo is another one. So I'm not saying Anthony

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Richard Den Jones will be either of those guys. W
you know, most likely they will not be those guys obviously,
But if you're able to, you know, execute well enough,
you should be fine by showing a little bit more variety,
a little bit more wrinkles in your offense. Your biggest
thing is figuring out who do we want to play
come week one on Sundays, and when we do make
that decision. You know, obviously there's some injuries to deal

(56:39):
with Anthony Richard Jones too as well. When you make
that decision, you want to be confident in saying, this
is our guy for the foreseeable future, and we're all
over with him. We believe in him.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
By the way, on the Norway Wins, am I taking
my mom to Norway?

Speaker 1 (56:56):
On the Norway Wins? Who did you pick?

Speaker 8 (56:59):
James?

Speaker 1 (57:00):
You went with good luck?

Speaker 7 (57:01):
Mark?

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Right, Okay, we got a straggler here. We got a
straggler that's coming across. Let's see, just now crossing while
the rest of the field is done. And that is
good luck. Mark, good luck, good luck. Mark Dyton struggled. Yeah,
Mark needs more luck.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
That's right. Hey, James, James Boyd is our guest. Let
me ask you this. Are you familiar, James?

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Have you ever geographically speaking, speaking of Norway, have you
ever heard of Lake by Call?

Speaker 1 (57:30):
B A I K A L. Lake by Call? You
heard that?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
By chance?

Speaker 1 (57:34):
James, I have not.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Okay, Lake by Call is in Russia, but it is
the deepest lake in the world. So my question for
you is this, James, what position for the Colts is
their Lake by Call? Their deepest position is where.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Cool I was gonna take cornerback. But all those guys
are hurt right now. If you look at Michael him
and ju Rou receiver, Alec Pierscruber receiver, Josh daltruper receiver,
you have obviously Adi Mitchell, who they believe has a
lot of talent sect round Pickton last year. Aston Doolan
can even get in there and give you some juice

(58:11):
every now and then at a fifty plus yard cutchdown
last year. So I like that wide receiver room, I
really do.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Okay, So and when you say that at wide receiver,
because it's one thing to have depth because you don't
have a lot of drop off one through five, But
that doesn't mean much if one through five are all average,
you know what I mean. I do think this is
a room though, that has guys that would that would
all probably start elsewhere within the respective position, right.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I mean, they give give credit to Chris Ballard.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
It's a position that we banged on him a lot
for not addressing and then he finally did and I
think he did hit it right.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Yeah, they got dudes in that room, and I'm not
saying you have a true number one receiver, because I
mean everything Surgeon for that, Jamar Chase, you know, Tyreek Hill,
justin Jefferson type. However, I think that, yes, it's very
fair to say Josh Downs, Alex Pears, Michael Pittman Jr.
They will all be starting corn I started qurnerback, started

(59:08):
wide receivers and other wide receiver rooms. Honestly, for Alec
Pears's sake, he's probably thinking, if I have one more
good year, I'm gonna, you know, be able to back
that up that assessment of other teams. Baks just looking
at me as a starter with a very healthy payday.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
James boyd Our guest Colton Ravens tomorrow night, preseason game
number one. James, let's get to the quarterback situation. I
want to go back to that. Was there anything that
jumped out at you about either one of those guys yesterday?
I know you said it was pretty vanilla, but what
did you see? Was there anything that was a typical
from the rest of camp of what you saw between

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Richardson and Jones.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Just the ability to break the long runs. I felt
like based off of some of the zone read actions,
some of the QB handoff stuff that they were able
to do in misdirection things like that, you know, talking
to Cam buying them after practice, people saying you kind
of when you face your own team for so long,
you can kind of diffle guys are going to do
what guys like to do. So I think having the
element of surprise to a certain degree, I'm surprised to

(01:00:06):
Ravens because there were several runs yesterday where I thought
Jona Tilor got down the field, you know, on touched
for about seven eight yards before he finally got hit.
And so if you can generate that sort of you know,
running attack in Nephel Brown game in the regular season,
that'll obviously make life a lot easier in the quarterback
when you're in second and three versus second and seventh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
We haven't talked a lot about Hunter Waller, but Hunter Waller,
who was a seventh round pick out of Wisconsin, a
safety and yes, not playing for a starting safety spot,
but when you are a seventh round pick of the
defensive backfield, probably looking for a special teams opportunity that
then can lend itself to being a depth piece. But
it seems as though correct me if I'm wrong, Hunter

(01:00:49):
Waller had a really good day yesterday. Is that, however,
typical of what he has shown in camp, James, or
was this a late introduction.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
It's so typical to what he's showing in camp. I
thought that he's had a really really solid camp. They
kind of culminated yesterday obviously picking off Lamar Jackson another
interception there to in practice with the second team, and
so he's just continue to make plays. And honestly, me
and Kevin talked about this on the Morning Show probably
about a week ago. He's a lot to make the team.
And I don't know how many times you can say

(01:01:18):
about a seven round pick this early in training camp,
but it's probably think about two for all of us
to kind of consistent on the beat that, yeah, when
we do up with the then book the three at
roster projection, he's going to be on there, and we're
all going to be right that you know, he should
be on there, and if he isn't, it'll be a
very very surprising move because he's looked so steady and
so smooth and with the deeds the class.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
By the way, James. Upcoming is race number ten here
at the Indiana State Fair. It's the Fox Steak, the
ninety nine year for it. As a matter of fact,
for the Fox stake, now there are only four entrants. James,
I'll let you pick first again, since you're the guest.
Sogi Swiss Lights talk softly or assistant coach that Sogi
Swiss Lights talk softly an assistant coach, I'm gonna go

(01:02:03):
talk softly. Okay, needless to say, that was not gonna
be my pick. Okay, Eddie, go ahead, Sogi Swiss lights
or assistant coach.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
I'll go with.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Okay, Well, if I'm taking my mom to Norway, I
might as well swing over to Switzerland and show where
the Christmas lights. So I'll go Swiss Lights is my
pick here for race number ten. I'll let you guys
know what happens with that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
James.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
What's the story that no one's talking about? If any,
I'm not so sure that there is one.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
I mean, I thought we cover a lot of this
stuff every day. If I'm pulling out straws, I guess
you know, when you look at we have to do
have the conversation in the media room, we look at
people to criticize when it comes to the quarterback play.
Recently with his team, I do think that Cam Turner,
the quarterbacks coach, kind of fight under the radar. But

(01:02:56):
I'm just generally curious, like, you know, maybe I should
just meet up with them or talk to say about it.
What is his responsibility because we've criticized obviously Shane and
Chris Ballard about ars development and the profice wasn't too soon.
But you know, you're the quarterback, so just supposed to
be the guy kind of helping him along. So what's
your truck to look like? I think that he's also
with Kyler Murray, who is in viewed at some like

(01:03:18):
great quarterback. I mean the guy didn't have a clause
put the protract to work hard and not play video
games initially, So yeah, can't turn to somebody I'm curious about,
like what is your role? What do you do and
how are you actually trying to help that quarterback room,
whether it's a Anthony Richand or damn Zone.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Okay, James another I guess the opposite question of that
would be this for James Boyd, and that is what
is the storyline that we're all focusing on in camp
that actually we're going to look back on and realize
was never really a storyline to begin with the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Man that we're in the state as a good question, Jake,
and honestly might be quarterback. We might look up and
I don't need to be morbid here, but who might
look up in a month and be like, man, both
of these guys kind of are not good. So we
did all this hoping to puff about who's going to
start who isn't and they're about the same way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Hey, so let me let me let me jump in there, James,
which do you think is more likely? Okay, when it's
early November and we're getting set for the drumstick Dash
and the weather's starting to turn a little bit, and
high school football state finals are upcoming, and we're talking
about the Colts, is it more likely that we're going

(01:04:30):
to be talking about one of the two the starting
quarterback for the Colts? And say, man, and the thing
there was even a competition. This guy is flat balling
out and is having a hell of a year. Is
it more likely that that is what we're discussing or
that we're saying. I can't believe we thought this was
a competition, because this literally is our two guys that
can't play.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
I think it's part of the ladder. And again I'm
not trying to be negative. I understand it. Do you
want to preach optimism and that's all what the Colts
are doing. And I do think they're the world where
either quarterback can be that's well enough to get him
to the playoffs. But the reality is we haven't seen
them play well as of late. That's time's anythink Richardson,
he was hurt, he had a back injury, and obviously
had a couple of good games last year. But I
would say overall last year was a disaster for him,

(01:05:13):
you know, being benched, being injured, you know, being inaccurate,
it was it was all of the above. And then
for Daniel Jones, you got benched in New York for
you know, quarterbacks who are still not good, and they
brought in quarterbacks to replace those guys this year. Russell
Wilson is out there with the Giants now. So it's
just in my opinion, it's, uh, the last time we

(01:05:33):
saw both, they weren't good and so until they show
us otherwise, that's what I have to base it off.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Well, okay, now hold on, you're going with you're going
with talk softly here?

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (01:05:43):
James yep, that's me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Okay, Eddie, you're going with SOGI, is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Okay? And I took Swiss lights. There's only four entrants here,
so you know that means assistant coach is going to win?
Right that that kind of goes without saying, is it not.
That's the hold on Lloyd Pierce. I'm putting that in
as the assistant coach, okay, or I guess that could
be you know, Jenny, Jenny.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Anyhow, we put any number of names.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
There, Okay, James, give me the schedule here in terms
of for the Colts, and obviously you're back because the
Colts are off today, but then preseason game number one tomorrow,
your coverage and then also your duties within the radio
station are what here in the immediate future.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
So for the athletic I'll be doing something actually gonna
write it up today like some players to watch tomorrow's game.
Really throughout the preseason, you want to keep an eye
on who's got the most of the game or lose
throughout these three preseason games and obviously the rest of preseason.
And then I'll get ready for a practice again right
back on Saturday, because after the game Thursday, it's go
back to Friday and Saturday, we're back out there in Webfield,

(01:06:47):
so I'm back out there in the sun. And then
for sure I'll be out there tomorrow morning for our
live show Franklin for the golf outing, and then I'll
probably stick around a little bit afterwards to mingle with
the masses. So if you're listening, come.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
On out and you say it's up and you know,
are you a good golfer?

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
I can't damp at all. I will be going there
to shoot hoop from the basketball hoop. The jamp has
Jerry Riggs or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yeah, they do have a hoop set up. I do
know that we'll be shooting some hoops. There's going to
be a silent auction as well. All this is to
benefit the Franciscan Foundation from Franciscan Health and this is
all at the Legends Golf Course down in Franklin, which
is you know, legendary course right with some legends that
were involved in it. I believe Fuzzy Zeller originally was involved.
Bob Knight was involved. So great, great venue, going to

(01:07:34):
be a fun event tomorrow. Weather looks like it's going
to be great, So a lot of things to look
forward to tomorrow. James will be there as well, Kevin Bowen, myself, John,
we'll all be out there tomorrow. And I don't know.
I'm not a great golfer either, So don't feel bad,
James if we got to do one t shot. Don't
feel bad if you know, if you're not the most
confident in the world, because neither am I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
So we'll be fine in that regard.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Oh no, I can't swing at all, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Fair enough, Well, you know it takes a little getting
used to. But we'll see out there tomorrow. Look forward
to it. Man, I appreciate the time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Alright, brother, have a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Hi, James Boyd joining us on the program. We come back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
We still have plenty to talk about in terms of
what is taking place here at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway,
which is awesome, or the Napposolater Speedway. Yeah, thank you,
the Indiana State Fair Guards. It's like the Napolis Motor
Speedway because of the fact that there's racing going on. See,
it's just ingrained in my mind. And as a matter
of fact, usually when there's racing going on, I'm calling it.
But in this case, you can hear Rick in the background.
I'm looking forward to having him join us because we're

(01:08:31):
gonna have We're gonna have him grade Eddie's impersonation of him,
So you're gonna hear him in just a second. Here
Eddie doing the you know, getting everything underway. Can you
give me again, Eddie, real quick? You're impersonation of it?
You want another one?

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Really already?

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Okay, you just heard it there in the background, gets.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Roland okay. And then showtime, showtime. That's strong, okay. And
then once they're once they're going, what do they say?
There they go off and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
He's about to do it here, here we go. Swiss
Lights is off to a good start. I'm telling you
my mom's gonna get another vacation out of it. You
know what I want to talk about?

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
How about how you starts, about how you finish?

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
That's exactly well, that is true, right, that is true. Right,
But right now the lights are bright on Swiss Lights.
We'll see what happens. Rick Carlisle had something interesting to
say about the pacers, and I'll let you know, speaking
of pacers, that's exactly what we're watching out here. But
the basketball variation. Interesting thing to take a look at,
which I will let you know what he had to say.
We'll do it when we come back here to the
Indiana State Fairgrounds. Sorry about that. Uh, you're listening to

(01:09:47):
Quarrying Company here ninety three five and one seventy five
to the fan. Okay, we're getting set for Race A
number eleven. This is the Ralph will Fong Memorial Race,
thirty five thousand dollars purse roughly here at the Indiana
State Fair Eddie. Before I get to my PACER's point,
let me read off to you the participants here in
Race A number seven. We have Bluebird Hill muscle technician

(01:10:12):
just Swan bye bye, Bravo, Alpha West Stokes, Country tab
or the place that I actually moved into about two
and a half years ago, Dandee Man cave. Oh no, sorry,
dandy Man can Sorry, dandy Man can there we go? Sorry,
I got that name wrong, dandy Man Can. So which
one would you like their? Eddie?

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Hmmm, I don't know, Jake. I've got a lot of
shoot from here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Bluebird Hill muscle Technicians, Swan Bye bye, Bravo, Alpha West Stokes,
dandy Man can or Country Tab. I will go with
country Tab. Okay, did you have a drink tab? It's
a drink of beautiful people, Eddie, I did not. Failing
which one would you like? Here? We got Bluebird Hill,
muscle technicians, Swan by Bye, Bravo Alpha West and Danny

(01:11:00):
man Can He went with a muscle technician. Okay, I'm
going to go clearly, just to salute myself. I'll go
with Bravo Alpha, Bravo Alpha when this one, if you
don't mind me saying so, okay. Rick Carlisle had some
interesting things to say about the Pacers recently where he
you know, we played for you, where he was talking

(01:11:23):
about Minna Nick Matheren and said, look, breaking news here.
Matherin's going to be our starter at the two and
it is his job to lose. I don't think there's
any real shock in that, but one of the things
that I did find intriguing and I'm very curious to
see how it plays itself out. When you remove Tyrese Haliburton,

(01:11:43):
you automatically know that probably your pace is going to
be different.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
But it's not even Tyre's Halliburton.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
To me, it's Miles Turner and the loss of Miles
Turner and what it does for the Pacers offense.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
And the reason I say that is because Miles.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Turner is in fact a play that if you really
look at the way he plays in what he meant
to their offense.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
And I know we've talked a lot about this, and I've.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
You know, I had a long conversation the other day
with Todd Howard, who is the assistant at mary And
that works with that Knight, and I was saying to
Todd Howard, I'm like, I'll be honest with you in
the fact that I still get confused by what exactly
the motion offense is. And Todd Howard said, you know,
it's funny, Rick Barnes, the long standing college basketball coach,

(01:12:30):
you have a really good coach. Rick Barnes apparently called
Pat Knight the other day to just go over and
continue talking about the motion offense and you know, just
looking at things because I think coaches are constantly examining
ways to perfect and expand upon offenses, and that offense
the Pacers run. There's an element of the motion offense

(01:12:53):
that comes with what the Pacers are doing. But it's
really it's disingenuous to say that it's rooted in the motion.
But the motion offense essentially is exactly that. It's a
constant motion. But the player with the ball obviously, you know,
once you pass the ball, you are then setting a
screen kind of in the opposite direction, and then the

(01:13:15):
ball is constantly moving so that the defense is forced
to shift over to where you are setting a screen
and almost pull away from the basketball. And it just
creates where the ball is moving almost like in a
a cycle. And the Pacers do that to a great extent,
and a lot of it was based upon Miles Turner
and getting the ball to Miles Turner on the high post.

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And then as I mentioned, he's kind of like that
sprinkler that's just spraying the ball around because when Turner
will get the ball on that high post, the defense
has to respect it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Because you know that he can shoot the ball from there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
And so once they come out, then that creates a
motion where guys are then coming up around up near
the three point circle. And you saw that Turner is
determining where it's going to go to, whether it's Nie
Smith or it's Halliburton or even nim Hard or Siakam
working their way through and whether they are getting it
up high or down low. That's a really elementary and

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neophyte way of explaining what they do. But the more
detailed way of saying what they do offensively is to
say that they create basically a helter skelter for lack
of a better phrase, offense where defensively you kind of
don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
They disguise themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
They run different looks, but they're constantly moving and you're
constantly guessing where exactly the ball is going to end up,
and their ball rotation in terms of moving that thing
around like a hot potato, is amazing. The number of
passes that the Pacers could make before even really putting
the ball back on the floor was remarkable last year,
and a big part of that was based in Miles Turner.

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But Rick Carlisle has said recently now that next year,
meaning this upcoming season, even without Halliburton and even without Turner,
they are planning on going status quo in their offensive sets.
They still want to run the same pace, they still
want to run the same unpredictability. They still want to

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run the same disguised looks in terms of their offense,
which is awesome because it's fun to watch, it's hard
to guard. Points can be scored in a fury, as
we saw against New York, as we saw at the
end against Cleveland. We saw it for the entire postseason.
And it's why people fell in love with this particular
installment of the Indiana Pacers, not just in Indiana but nationally.

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I mean, I mentioned when I was I did my
trip out east, and I'm wearing a Pacer shirt and
literally running around on the East Coast and people are
coming up to me and they're coming up like, oh, Man, Pacers,
that was so much fun. They should have won whatever else.
And I could see, especially young people, like there were fans,
and it's because they were exciting to watch and they
were fun to watch, and they're going to and I

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think it's just because. And it's like I talked about
with why Daniel Jones and Anthony Richards and are good
compliments of one another because if one is not able
to go, then you can get the other one in
there and maintain your offense at the same position and
at the same running it in the same system. The
engines are running the same way, the pistons are going
the same place, and you're not having to deviate from

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things so that when you then get your key pieces back,
and in this case those key pieces being Tyre's Halliburton
and then whoever it is going to be that becomes
the replacement of Myles Turner. You are still clicking with
everybody else, with Nie Smith and with Nim Harden, with
whether it being Isaiah Jackson or Jeris Walker, and Furfey
and Siakam, They're still running in the same motion, just

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like the horses that are running right now in this
race number eleven that is underway here. It is the
Ralph will Fong Memorial Bluebird Hill Muscle Technician. That's Phalen's Pick,
swan By by Bravo Alpha. That's the No Brainer West
Stokes Dandy Man Can and Country Tab, which was Eddie pick.
Here we go, Eddie, you're about to hear them.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Here we go. I think we just heard the show. Time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Let's see if we get to rolling. Here we go,
Rick on the mic. Bluebird Hill off to a rough start,
Bluebird Hill up to rough start. We'll let you know
what happens on this and we'll talk a little bit
more about what's taking place in wrapping up here at
the Indiana State Fairgrounds. As a matter of fact, I
will get you up to speed and we'll take a
look back on the colts as well. In just about

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eighteen minutes, you're listening to Quarying Company A ninety three
five and one oh seven five the fan What Eddie, listen?
I let the country thing go yesterday all day? What
are we doing with Whitney Houston here?

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
What are we doing? Am I missing something?

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
What are we doing?

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
I just went eighties today?

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Okay? Can I do some eighties requests?

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:17:49):
Eighties?

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
Three more chances?

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
I mean, you know obviously you know that, like, okay,
how about in a Big Country by Big Country? Okay,
that's a great song. They're from Scotland. By the way,
it was like there Mowan in the sun.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Was that one?

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Racing is complete in terms of the eleven races that
are taking place here today at the Great Indiana State Fair.
And it has been awesome to watch all of the
races taking place. The one that just finished, by the way,
the Ralph Wilfong I think I mentioned Bluebird Hill really struggled.
It was Dandy Man. Can I think was the winner
that last one? Is that right? Did I get that right?

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
No, it was hang on, it was Country Tab was third,
I believe, right?

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Was it? Swan bye bye? A swan bye bye? Was
swan bye bye? Okay, there we go, and I think
Danny mccam was second. Access the way that worked out.
That voice you hear, by the way is that of
Tony Wren's, and Tony is the executive director of the
Indiana Standard Bread Association. He is a native of Louisville, Kentucky.
And then, naturally, as anybody who works in Standard Bread
Association horse racing and harness racing in Indiana and comes

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from Louisville, Kentucky, he came here for the casino business,
not even horse racing originally, right, No.

Speaker 8 (01:19:00):
Not whatsoever. I've been in the casino business before my
current job for about twenty seven years and have worked
at three casinos in Indiana, and came up in O
seven to help Openho's your Park, and stayed on all
the way up till twenty one, and then made the
transfer over to the Indiana Standard Bread Association.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
You know, it's interesting I was talking about this earlier,
and you know, Purdue has done a couple of different
studies now just on the economic impact of horse racing
in Indiana. We're talking over two billion dollars of impact,
everything from those that are growing the feed to those
that are growing or building the transportive you know, vehicles
to get and then it goes without saying people that
are coming out to watch it. But I was reading

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last night, Tony, I found this interesting. Starting in two
thousand and seven, which for a lot of people was
probably an area where you look at it and you
see an economic downturn. Not the case in Indiana within
horse racing, because from two thousand and seven to twenty twenty,
we saw over a fifty percent increase in just the
overall ownership of horses and breeding of horses in Indiana

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in general. To what do you attribute the growth of
this here in Indiana?

Speaker 8 (01:20:07):
You know that all goes back to our legislators and
they started working on that back in the mid nineties,
early eighties, and it really kind of came to a
culmination in seven when the two slot the two casinos
here and Anderson and Shelbyville were allowed to have slot
machines and became racinos at that point. And then that's

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where the boom happened and people seeing that Indiana's always
been known for a standardbred racing. We also have thoroughbred
and quarter horse down in Shelbyville and that program has
grown substantially. But it goes back to the work that
the legislators the early horsemen did in the late eighties
the early nineties to kind of get this set and
ready to go, and it's it's taken off and who's

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your park is in the top three in North America
harness tracks. We've hosted three breeder crowns up there, which
is kind of the big the super Bowl, if you will,
of harness racing. We've got our county fairs that are thriving,
and again it goes back to the legislators, the horsemen,

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the commission, the track owner, all those entities.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
You know, It's interesting because when you look Tony at,
for example, in your home area, you know the Kentucky
Diver this is home now, but you know the Kentucky Derby.
You have horses that are racing there that are coming
from all over I mean they're being bred from all over, right,
I mean Secretariat was was sired to Kentucky but born
in Maryland, I think, and then brought back so they're
coming from all over. Is that the same with the

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horses that we see today, or are most of these
being born and then bred and raised here throughout Indiana?
For the Indiana when you look at the Indiana Standard
Bread Association.

Speaker 8 (01:21:49):
The majority of everything you see and is being born
here in Indiana. Now, we do have races like our
Dan Patch coming up on Friday night. Jessica spoke earlier
of those horses that come from a different state. But
what you're seeing today at the Grand Circuit, what you'll
see next week at the Governor's Cup, they're all Indiana
sired horses. They live in Indiana. And now some of
them do travel outside of the state and go race

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and other racetracks, but typically Indiana's their home. And that's
the best thing about it is it's keeping the money
in the state.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
I mean, you gotta have a lot of pride in
this right because it is you know, to come out
here and watch this and to know and I again, Tony,
I want to point out, as I said to Jessica,
you know, I really do appreciate because we've had a
lot of fun over the course of the summer playing
Rix calls. For example, for the different races that are
taking place throughout county fairs, and it's just such a

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community based thing to be able to see on display,
which is what the State Fair is all about. But
for us to be able to partake in that, I appreciate.
It's been really cool.

Speaker 8 (01:22:49):
We appreciate you and the radio station and John Griffin
and everyone's put that together. It's been a fun summer
doing this and all we want to do is expose
to harness racing and what a family tradition. When you
see these horsemen out here, they're second, third, fourth, some
fifth generation harness racing. This is the only job they've

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ever known and they come out and they put everything
they have onto this horse.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Well, yeah, it's interesting because one of the you know,
we were going to talk to a mother daughter combination
that we're not only working in the the ownership side
of horse racing, but you know, the young girl herself
wasn't available today because she's showing a horse here at
the State Fair, which is what you know, from an
agricultural standpoint, what this event is all about. And truly,

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I think it shows kind of the family aspect of
it and just really the entire community aspect of.

Speaker 8 (01:23:43):
It right absolutely, And it's available to Indiana whether you
want to come to Hoosier Park and Anderson or you
want to come down there to the state fair. Are
you going to go to court? And when they have
their county fair coming. It's available all over the state.
Like you said, it's a two billion dollar economic inpa
on the state and it touches all ninety two counts.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
One thousand jobs, I mean throughout the state. You know
you're talking, you know this is something that's touching all corners.
Right you go stand in Anderson at who's your parking?
Within an hour radius there's over twenty two hundred horses
and thirty six ie hops right which is which is?
Which is also un advantage? Right right there on Scatterfield again,
we're talking with Tony Renz. He is the executive director

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for the Indiana Standard Bred Association. And just about five
minutes from now, we're going to talk to Rick, who
is on the call and you've been hearing him on
the call throughout the course of the summer. Before I
let you go, Tony, I've got to ask you this
because I love everything about this. So you grew up
in Louisville and I asked you the burning question of
are you a UK or UL fan? And you actually

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are basically what most people despise. Right, You're a reversible
jacket fit. You're a bandwagon fan, is that right? You know?

Speaker 8 (01:24:51):
I like to watch good football. Okay, for the longest time,
before Louisville got into the ACC, I would go watch SEC.
But I love Louisville basketball, so I.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Go that has got to be the craziest thing in Kentucky.
So you're a UK football fan, but U of L
basketball fan? Yes, that you have to be like the
rarest of rare there, right, Yes, so at all times,
fifty percent of the state lovesy and the other fifty
percent can't stand you right lately? Okay, well that's cool.
That's how it is for me. Actually right here, right hey,
I appreciate having us out. It's been a ton of

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fun today. We got to enjoy and watch all of
the different racers. And as I tell people all the time,
don't forget the team that was one half away from
winning the NBA title has called the Pacers, not because
necessarily of what takes place at sixteenth Georgetown, but because
of the heritage of a sport that's been taking place
since the late nineteenth century in this state and has
been running at this state fair now for upwards now

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of ninety years. And I'm talking about the Pacers of
Harness Racing. It's very very cool. Thank you, Jake, appreciate it.
All right. Now we're going to talk with Rick just
a minute, and we're gonna Actually I can tell right now.
Rick's one of those guys I can tell. I always
say there's two kinds of people in the world, those
with the program and those that aren't. And you can
tell when you meet somebody like this guy's with the program.
Eddie's Eddie's been impersonating Rick and he has it down

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to a t. And we're gonna have Rick grade and
critique Eddie's impersonation of Eddie. Go ahead and give him
one real quick. We'll let Tony here, Just give me one.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
I gotta get there, vocal ready, ja get ready?

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Here we go, Here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
Now, which one do you want first?

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Well, the show's over at three, Eddie, it's one of them.
Just go ahead and give me one of them real quick.
It's show time. That's not bad, right, all right, We'll
get Rick on here to critique Eddie's impersonation of him
and talk about I'm fascinated by it because I call
racing for a living, but nothing like what I was
able to hear today. We'll get back to that when

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we return here to the Indiana State Fair. You are
listening to Quarrying Company on ninety three five and one
of seven to five to the fan. Now, I'm telling you,
I've been to all fifty states. Okay, I've been to
every inch of this country and in some parts of Arkansas,
and I've been to Scotland, where this band's from. And

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I don't know much about anything, but I know this much,
and that is that there are certain people that when
you meet him, you just immediately go this guy's with
the program, and like we could probably spend seven hours
just bs and together. And that includes my next guest here,
Rick Uppele, who comes to Indiana by way of Vancouver, Canada,
which is one of the beautiful, beautiful cities in North America,

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probably the most beautiful area. When you get up into
the Canadian Rockies, it is breathtaking. But Rick is the
guy that you have been hearing each and every for
the course of the summer, with each and every race
that has been taking place throughout the Indiana Sired Fair
circuit on all the county fairgrounds. And you've heard his calls.
Eddie has now been working on his Rick Uppel impersonation,

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and Rick's going to judge all of that. But first off, Rick,
it is great to see you man.

Speaker 7 (01:27:51):
How are you pretty good? Thank you very much, nice
beating you, and thank you for the kind words.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Now, so I'm curious first and foremost about this, and
that is a guy that grew up in Vancouver and
now lives in Indiana.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
This is a weird question for you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Sometimes I do this when I'm driving and I see
the clouds on the horizon, I pretend they're mountains now now,
and people think I'm crazy, and I said, you know what,
But but people that grow up in areas that have
mountains know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Have you ever done that?

Speaker 7 (01:28:19):
I'm gonna say probably yes, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
See.

Speaker 7 (01:28:21):
Yeah, not last time, but the time before. I took
a video of the mountains. It's in my phone right now.
So when I get a little homesick or whatever, I
just play that video and look at the mountains. A
little bit of snow covered you know, there's just nothing
like it, right, can't be. It's God's country. I call
it God's.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Countykay, I want to this is I'll tell you what
really is interesting to me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
So you know, my other job besides this one is
I do auto racing play by play, and I do
the Indianapolis five hundred for example, And then like, I'll
be in your old neck of the woods in Portland,
Oregon this weekend for a race. But I've listened to
now your calls and notably your your winning calls. But today,
you know, sitting here while you were doing eleven different races.

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I find it fascinating because you're sitting up here and
people ask me this all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
You have a monitor.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
We don't. I mean, you're watching a one mile oval here,
but you're able to distinguish all of the horses to
the naked eye. These are not race cars that have
different color schemes and numbers on them. How in the
world do you do it?

Speaker 7 (01:29:20):
I think I've just been doing it so long now
that I've gotten accustomed to the Indiana guys. They always
have the same color. That's a complete difference between thoroughbreds.
When a jockey comes out. Okay, they wear different colors
because they're representing the owner. Now there's a few big
stables in standardbred racing where the owners have decided we
want them to wear our colors. So I believe, like

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Diamond Creek farms, they have their own colors. So when
somebody drives their horses that they.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Put on their ok so then you know that's the
time about farms coming out of what farm.

Speaker 7 (01:29:51):
Which also, yes, there's only about two or three of
those kind of situations that happen. But basically the drivers
wear you know, they have the same colors all the time.
And basically memorization for me, which is pretty try try
to memorize with about a meter or two to go
and that way, right, that's way. It's fresh in my
mind right because people say to you, oh, you must
go home and study like all night long. I can't

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worry about tenth race. When I got to wry about the.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
First correct well, you know the other thing that's interesting
and I'm curious for you if this is the case
for me, after a race, I have very little recollection,
notably of what call was said, but also sometimes of
what happened in the race, until I get back to
that particular track and then look at it and I go, oh, yeah,
now I remember what happened there? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 7 (01:30:33):
That makes sense? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
So with that for and let's talk real quick just
about horse racing in Indiana in general, because you know
you're overseeing this and you've you've been able to see
this in comparison to Indiana from other places for those
that are listening that are unfamiliar, and my apology for
the neophyte nature of this, but when you when you
say like standard bread and then thoroughbread, the difference is

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what exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:30:59):
A standard bread is. It's just bread to be a
stip a standard distance, which is one mile. Okay, you're
not going to see too many places, you know, they've
they ventured out and tried different things with a mile
and a sixteenth sometimes a mile and a half mile
and a quarter. Then there's some that are seven eighths
of a mile or a half mile dash where I
came from. They experimented with all that, But the actual
standard bred horse itself is bread to be a standard

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one mile ring.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
So they typically a smaller horse than what you would
see as a thoroughbread.

Speaker 7 (01:31:26):
Not necessarily smaller, but just that's just the way they're
bread now with thoroughbread, all kinds of different breeding with
thorough bread. Right, Some are sprinters, some are marathon horses,
some are on the grass, some are on the dirt.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
So then the elites are a combination of all. You
know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:31:41):
You can say that, yeah, you spend a million dollars,
but there's no guarantee when you're spending that kind of money.
But it's a support of kings. That's where that comes from.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
How did you get into this?

Speaker 7 (01:31:51):
I was a little kid, and I was an only child,
and I can actually tell the story. I used to
kind of get on my hands and I don't know,
I was four or five maybe I can't quite remember,
but and I put masking tape down on the carpet floor.
My parents south and in Canada, they had these Nali's chips,

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and they used to come out and give you a
coin with like a CFL player anything. I don't know.
I just use a coin or poker chip something like that,
and then I would push them around with my fingers
and announce it. And then I think I was about
eight years old and my parents took me to the
third bread truck in Vancouver, and I met the announcer
who was actually a pretty good announcer, and I told
them that day, I'm gonna take your job. I never did,

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but I always wanted to be a horse racing announcer
when I retired from hockey.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
So you did do some hockey stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:32:43):
I did hockey, Yeah, I did hockey well before I
did any racing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Okay, So and when you were doing hot and I
think hockey would be that would be actually probably the
best training for what you're doing because, and I mean
this with all due respect to me, hockey, the internation,
flare of the names, and the fast paced with which
you have to go from one to the next to
the next would make it. I think that would be
the ultimate sport of preparation for play by play.

Speaker 7 (01:33:10):
Yes, absolutely. Like you know your own home team, You've
got them down package you've been there all year. It's
when you go on the road. Yeah, Like we go
on a road and we would have eight games in
eleven nights, you know, eight different cities. So here I
am the first time seeing the team. That's a little
work involved there. And you did which teams I called
for the newest mister Bruins for two seasons okay, and

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then they end up moving to try cities in Washington State.
The owner wanted to move them for whatever reason. I
was so I was left jobless and that's when I
landed the track job. Very first year, I sold tickets.
That's when the olden days, they sold tickets and cashed
at the same time and announced one day a week.
The guy said, I'll let you fill in one day.

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I said, I'll take it. So I sold tickets that
first year and announced one day, slowly worked my way
up and ended up at that track full time announcer
thirty four years.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Yeah. So you've been doing it thirty four years, and
you have now Eddie, Eddie Garrison, who's back in studio
right now. Eddie's been perfecting his Rick Uppel impersonation. Now,
this is the ultimate form of flattery, is it not.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:34:18):
Absolutely, okay, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
So Eddie, here's the thing. We can we can play
one of Rick's calls, or we can have Rick live
here on demand do one of his calls.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Rick, I'll let you pick which. Do you want to
just reenact one or do you want to play one?

Speaker 7 (01:34:32):
Play one. Let's say let's play.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
One, okay, Eddie, Eddie, here we go go ahead and
play one of Rix's calls. This is the start, I believe.
And then when you call it like at the right,
at the start of the race, right, all right, here
we go.

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
Hold on, Jake, hold on. I thought we were going
to get a live one.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
We caught a pad of off guard. We caught Eddie
off guard. Yeah, this is this is what happens. All right, Eddie,
let me know when you're ready. It shows over at three. Okay,
here we go here, here's here we go.

Speaker 7 (01:34:54):
Showtime. Okay, now doubt Eddie.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Now, Eddie, so go ahead and give us your showtime.
It's showtime.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Not bad, that's not bad, right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Now, now let's hear let's hear Rick once once the
starter what he could the starter truck essentially the starting gate,
the starting gate.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Yeah, so it's a truck that has the gate in
front of our cars.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
Once that once that kind of pulls away and and
they're all going, and then we know that the race
is underway. Eddie, go ahead with one of Rick's calls
for that. Wow, that's that was me, that was you. Yeah, yeah,
that was impressive. I was can you do that? Can
you do that on demand? Okay, now, Eddie, go ahead.

(01:35:38):
The pressure's on here Eddie, no pressure. And then we're
gonna let Eddie. We're gonna let Eddie do it. And
then Rick, I want you to give him an eight
to f grade here, okay, all right, here we go.
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
I feel like I'm gonna already and I don't want
to do this, but I'm going to anyway. All right,
Here we go three two one.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
There they go.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
A little little throaty on the their part, right, a
little deep to maybe try it one more time, an
I'll get another chance.

Speaker 7 (01:36:04):
He's nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
There they go, no.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
More, it's more. This, it's more, and there they go.

Speaker 7 (01:36:13):
Right, you got it. I'll give you an A on
that one seat. I might give my seat that buster minus,
I'm not sure, and take around this all week, right dere,
I'll tell you what I've been in the game so long.
I'm an old man now. But kids like like they were,
like Tony was talking to, it's some community. So like

(01:36:35):
get that track where I was and then my wife
trained horses and I would go back there and there's
a it's a family community. There's no doubt about it.
I had a daughter that we took to work with
us every day and she was a little Now she's
training horses and married, got a husband, blah blah blah.
But the kids idolize me now, and to me, that's
great totally. I thought that was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Edie does.

Speaker 7 (01:36:54):
So what they did one year, the track is called
Fraser Downs and they decided to come up with a
Fraser Downs idle. Nice sign up, get to go up
to the roof and call a race, no problem.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
So we had so you're the Simon calif Horse Racing said, I.

Speaker 7 (01:37:11):
Wasn't doing any judging r this is their opportunity to okay,
and then the kids always imitate. I said, don't go
ahead and take you know, eight in line, Wanda behind,
stuff like that. Okay, and they all did it and
they did great. And so they got into opportunity to
do this one day and there was like thirty to
forty people signed up. Nobody got anything after the first turn.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
They got lost, right.

Speaker 7 (01:37:32):
They did the post parade perfectly, Number two, number five,
Wes Stokes, Derek Cooley drives six, Dandy Man can't leap.
Everything was super. Then the race getting ready to go.
There they go, dandyman can't and then they're not sure
what the next.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Yeah, well it was pretty good listen, especially when you
lose them out of sight. I mean, you know what
I mean, and then you've got to come up with
you're you're having to you gotta fill a lot of
time doing that. Yeah, I mean, you know when you
called the Indianapolis five hundred, I've got twelve cent. I
mean it only takes the forty two seconds to a lap. Right,
They're doing two hundred and thirty five miles an hour,
So when they come to me, I mean, I mean, Rick,

(01:38:09):
I just make something up for twelve seconds. Nobody knows
the difference. It's radio, and then when it's radio, you
can get away with anything, but everybody can see what
you're calling the whole time.

Speaker 7 (01:38:16):
You're just like in hockey, well yeah, they And accuracy
is important, you know, because the main thing for announcing
horse races. If you walk to the backstretch there, there's
no TVs back there. So the horsemen are and this
is their bread and butter. Their lives depend on sure
where their horse finishes. So if I'm accurate and letting
him know they finished, third, they're kind of counting on that.

(01:38:38):
But if you've got a guy that's calling and he's
not quite always on, I'm gonna say I'm ninety nine
point six percent correct, even in tight photos or whatever,
just because I've been doing it a long time, and
if you're on the right angle, you'll be able to
do it. You can be on the wrong angle and
never call one.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Now, do you let me ask you this when you're
calling a race? I find this is another thing that
I learned today that is fascinating to me. If if
a horse gets out of trot, if I'm not saying
that correctly, it gets out of pays a break, makes
a break makes a break? Ye, okay, how does your
eye see that? Have you just been around enough that
you can tell you just tell yes, you can just
tell it right, just different. Do you ever feel like

(01:39:15):
there was a horse today and I can't remember which
race it was, but you're calling it right, and I'm
watching it and you're calling them like going into turn
three and there's one poor guy that's just kind of
trotting along just on a Sunday jog.

Speaker 7 (01:39:26):
Okay, there's one way back there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
He was gallop derby Derby something, that's what you got it,
You're right, And so I felt sorry for him.

Speaker 7 (01:39:34):
Yeah I did too.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Derby Up.

Speaker 7 (01:39:35):
He was a horse that came in from Ohio, okay,
you know, and he's got a couple of nice races
on his cart. Uh, he just wasn't up to his
So what happened? What happens? He could be hurting a little,
you know, didn't like the track surface, Maybe the equipment
was something wrong, but usually we can identify if there's
broken equipment. That's when a horse will not stay on.

(01:39:56):
It's what they call gate. Okay, g I t that's
the game, trot and pace. So this was a pacer
and he just wasn't on his game today and he
just went on the gallop. And once they go on
a gallop there, you know, maybe something even in their mouth,
like they tried a different bit to try and get
a better performance ro home.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
So do they know?

Speaker 7 (01:40:14):
Do they know?

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
They know? Pretty early on though, very smart, but also
the driver right, yeah, does he know? Hey? You know what,
there's no sense at this point and pushing this. I
just got it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
Basically, as you mentioned, I got across the line to
get the nickel, get.

Speaker 7 (01:40:27):
The Nickel, right, and he's the first time driving this horse,
so he might not known some of the quirks of
the horse. Right, got up to the gate, maybe too soon,
maybe didn't get up enough, or you know, a million variables.
That's what horse raising. It's all about his variables.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
When you are and your wife is a trainer of courses, right,
and you've been around this for a long time, you
know when when raising or training a horse, it is
a how many hour a day job?

Speaker 7 (01:40:52):
Three sixty five, seven days a week. Yeah, constantly, right, constantly,
And he might get away without having to do something
Christmas maybe maybe maybe you gotta pay a little extra
to have somebody go to feed that horse, clean its stall. Uh,
you gotta do that seven days a week.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
But you know, the one of the things I found
interesting in talking about this earlier, Rick Couples our guests.
By the way, we're out here at the Indiana State Fairgrounds.
Racing is complete for the day, All eleven races have
taken place. But I didn't realize that even in the
depths of winter, barring eight feet of snow or ice,
that even in the cold temperatures, the horses still are

(01:41:31):
going out all year long outdoors to train or trot
of some sort.

Speaker 7 (01:41:35):
Right, Yes, it all depends if it's very cold. There's
some people that will take the day off because it's
not healthy for the horse.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
Okay, I wondered if there I mean, I would I think.

Speaker 7 (01:41:44):
There's certain temporaries, yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
Unless they're Canadian. Those horses tough. Right.

Speaker 7 (01:41:50):
Well, Vancouver is the California of Canada, by the way,
So I'm just gonna wait to know that one it is.
We're right on the ocean. Yeah, and I learned not
too long ago that the salt water how prevents it
from snowing, Like it'll still there and then it'll melt
the next day.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
That's beautiful there, man.

Speaker 7 (01:42:05):
You know, there's the odd time where it might be
like a foot and it takes a few days to
get rid of it. But yeah, and the funny thing
you're mentioning about, I lost my train of thought there.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
For a second. Well, just talking about like the cold air.

Speaker 7 (01:42:19):
Yeah, the cold Okay, So what's happened since then? We
came here in twenty thirteen, I left Washington, say, my
wife was already here at Hoo's your park, racing with
my daughter, and the season was over at Who's Your
Park in November. I drove here December, brought some of
our stuff from the house, and I parked at a
condo that we were going to rent, and got on
a plane immediately to Florida. And I was living the dream. Yeah,

(01:42:42):
nine years in a row. We raced here at Hoo'sier
from March to November, and then truck got a truck,
courses took them down, raced in Florida, had a fifth
wheel trailer parked already down there, and spent four to
five months down there every where life man every winter. Yeah,
and then it came to an end. The governor came
in and they said, well, we're gonna get more money

(01:43:05):
from casinos. We don't need you guys. And that's what
Paparo Park came.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
To an end.

Speaker 7 (01:43:10):
Started in nineteen sixty four and closed in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Been impressed by and maybe even surprised by.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
The long standing heritage and history of this sport in
this state.

Speaker 7 (01:43:22):
Yes, yeh, yes, because in Canada there's no such thing
as fair racing note at all, And I wasn't even
familiar with harness racing like at night. It firstly came there. Well,
I can actually tell you. I was probably four or
five years old. I don't member a whole lot. There
was a harness track in a part of Vancouver and
my parents took me, but then it closed like within years,
so there was never any harness racing. I knew nothing

(01:43:45):
about it. I grew up watching thoroughbreds. My uncle had thoroughbreds,
and one of my uncles was an exercise rider. The
other one was a trader and owner. And harness racing
came in nineteen seventy six and I went with some
cousins of mine. We went on and many seven or something.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
They've been doing it for the watch, I mean at
this point, one hundred years here, right, exactly at that point. Now,
growing up in Canada's maple syrup, a beverage.

Speaker 7 (01:44:10):
Canby.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
They have a lot of beverages in Canada, right, I
prefer the Canadian bacon. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, it's circular. Right,
what about the bats.

Speaker 7 (01:44:20):
I'm not a drinker. Okay, that's a lot of drink
that but uh.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Roots clothing.

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
You're familiar with roots clothing, Yeah, I've heard of it,
oh Man roots nine.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Ward roots clothing made in Canada outstanding like high quality,
kind of like the broadcasters in Canada high quality, right,
a little bit better than what you get in the US.

Speaker 7 (01:44:41):
There's some pretty good ones, are very good ones.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
What what is your schedule now? You know obviously next
week is big here on the thirteenth. I mean, you
got the Indiana Governor's Cup, which is a massive deal.

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
And we've been you know, you've been kind of leading
up a point system essentially to that the culmination of it, right, Yes,
it is going to be a big deal. Yes, as
a matter of fact, we have we've been given away.
Rick at two thirty will announce who our winner is
of a barn tour and get a whole state fair
package to come out here, which.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
Is going to be cool. But the rest of the summer,
in particular for you is what it starts.

Speaker 7 (01:45:13):
Actually in Kentucky. I'm employed in Kentucky to do four
of seven fares. So I do Kentucky and everything kind
of just bounces off of each other. No, there's only
one time there's a conflict. Then I mingle in Indiana
and now just over the last couple of years, Illinois
hired me and I go to Springfield and to coin

(01:45:33):
and right now, the next three gigs I've got are
all right here today, next Wednesday, and then a following Monday.
There's a what they call the isa Elite, So you
make certain payments and certain horses get the race of that,
and that's going to take place on a Monday morning
here after the fair is over.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
And you met your wife doing this right, yes, okay,
and that you've been married.

Speaker 7 (01:45:54):
How long I've been married? I better take get this right?
Twenty eight years.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
Okay, because Eddie was curious of this.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Now I wouldn't ask this, but Eddie was curious and
wanted me to ask you, if, say, thirty five years ago, okay,
when you were I know the question coming right now,
did you ever walk up to ladies and just say
it's showtime?

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
Ever? Once? I mean just once?

Speaker 7 (01:46:16):
Right, I plead the fifty. Well, I'll p you know
I've I was married originally and had two beautiful daughters
and they're now growing up and providing me with grandchildren.
Right then, there was a period of time where I
was single in between five six years and then met

(01:46:38):
this amazing woman that I'm married too.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
So Eddie just had a curiosity if you were not
with Olivia and you were going out.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
Let's say to the Teaky Bobs.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
If it was still around, Eddie and you walked up,
what would you say to a woman to try to
go ahead and give me your word there that you'd use, Eddie.

Speaker 4 (01:46:50):
Well, here's the problem, Jacob. If I'm at Teeky Bob's
which no longer six, I don't know is that existing?

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
And all I thought it was clear, No, it's gone,
it's gone.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
Well that's number one. Number two. I wouldn't do that
because I don't think they would understand the reference.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
You don't know that, man.

Speaker 4 (01:47:05):
It would have to with state Fair.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
By looking at you, yes, they would not understand. They're okay.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
So if you were at the State Fair, if you
were at the midway, Eddie, you'd walk up and you'd say, what,
it's shut time.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
That's not bad, right way bad.

Speaker 7 (01:47:18):
I'm gonna give hi an A on that one. That
was real good, A on that one that was real good.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Hey, Rick, it's man, it's awesome. I know you said
you're going to Kentucky. You'll be back at least a
week from today, right, yeah, oh no, for sure. Indiana
Governor's Cup and We've appreciated it, you know. I mentioned
we've had a lot of fun being able to play
these calls over the course of the summer at fairgrounds
throughout the state and all of it leading up to
a culmination on what is a two billion dollar sport
here in the state of Indiana. And certainly appreciate your

(01:47:42):
time in jumping over here and being a good sport
about it.

Speaker 7 (01:47:44):
I appreciate you inviting me on the show. And if
you're going to be back here next Wednesday and you've
got some packages that you're giving away to people, you
can invite them up and have a seat rape beside me.
That'd be awesome to watch a race. That'd be awesome.
I call it go from there because you could even
come up.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
You're sitting right up there and I'm looking at it
and I'm going, how in the world does he know
who all of them are? It's pretty impressive and he's
got a down pat, so it is definitely impressive. Appreciate it,
and we will actually announce who that winner is going
to be that's going to get the State Fair package.
We'll do it on the other side when we come
back here to the Indiana State Fair.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
Fair Grounds.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Racing is complete today on this one mile oval, but
Indiana Governor's Cup a week from today will let you
know who it is. As those of you who have
been signing up at Indiana Harness dot com, the website
where you can find out all of the information about
horse racing in the state of Indiana and where you
can hear Rick continuing to do his thing. We will
let you know that just on the other side. And
then yesterday what happened in Baltimore, speaking of the colts

(01:48:38):
of the other variation, we'll get to that in just
a couple of minutes as well. It's quarrying Company here
on ninety three five and one of seven to five.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
The fan.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Tons of fun out here today and Rick Uppboll You
got to give Rick a ton of credit. Totally good
sport and just a good dude, no question about it.
Tony Rins is back with us, the executive director of
the Indiana Standardbred Association. Tony first and foremost, you were saying,
and this is cool. I mean even in your capacity
with this sport, like anything, you know, there's always room

(01:49:07):
to learn and grow.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
And you said Rick's been great about that, right.

Speaker 8 (01:49:11):
You know, Rick and his wife Cassandra. They also work
as the horseman reps for the ISA, and they have
so much knowledge and all the horsemen do, I mean,
and they're so easy to approach. They're all approachable and
because trust me, I come up with dumb questions all
the time. Some of them I could tell you what
I do for a living exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:49:31):
But yeah, they're so great at it, and everybody is friendly.
Like Rick said on the way out, he said, you know,
on the track, it's competitive and we'll go at it,
but once the race is over, they'll help you move
furniture if.

Speaker 1 (01:49:44):
You need it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Yeah. So and which is And I would imagine even
with and we talked about it, with the growing nature
of this sporting continuing to grow. I mean, you've seen
it in the time that you've been doing it, and
we talked about it. But even with that growth, I
would imagine and that it is still a pretty close
knit group in terms of.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
I always say, like.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Within the work that we do, you know, people will
ask me about competitors at a different radio station or
television station, and I always say yeah, But at the
same time, we all kind of get along because we
know what each others are what each other are going through,
and there's not a lot of us, right, I mean,
there's only so many people that do it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:22):
I would think in your nature of work that also
holds true.

Speaker 8 (01:50:26):
It is, it's a very small world. This past weekend
I went up to one hundredth Hamiltonian and the meadowlands
in New Jersey, and people up there I see own
horses down here and they live in New Jersey, but
they're buying into Indiana just because the program's so strong,
and it's a very small world. And some of them

(01:50:47):
own horses that will actually race against each other and
they're interconnected, if that makes any sense. It's kind of
a confusing piece, but it's a very small world.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
In horse the horse racing that we saw today, those
horses all two years old. Correct, you had two and
three years olds in there. And then again, dumb question.
The maximum age a horse can be to race is what.

Speaker 8 (01:51:15):
Horse can not race after they're fourteen years old? Okay,
And in standard bred world, obviously two and three year
olds are very important because that's where they're getting their
legs under them and you're starting to understand what kind
of horse that is. But sometimes they don't hit their
prime until they're five, six, seven, eight years old, and
many of them are race competitively up to eleven twelve

(01:51:36):
years old and still be a good horse.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
I'm going to ask another I'm almost embarrassed to ask
it question. Okay, but I know obviously one of the
goals in horse racing is to breed a horse that
has the pedigree that then escalates the price of you know,
it's offspring. Obviously, is a horse allowed to be a

(01:51:58):
stud or being that if it is still racing or
is it only once a horse retires?

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
Is that a dumb question?

Speaker 7 (01:52:04):
No, it's not.

Speaker 8 (01:52:05):
And I've asked that question not too long ago. I've
got some familiarity with thoroughbreds, but I had to ask
so that in the standard bred world, and there are
times that they will breed in the standard bord world
and continue racing. The thing that a lot of times
you see is if it's a really good pedigree horse
and it's a good stallion, a stud, then they don't

(01:52:25):
want to take a chance on that horse maybe racing
and turn a foot or do something catastrophic. That horse
becomes more valuable because of its breeding.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
Right, Well, you know it, I mean this year, and
I know a lot was made of this. I personally
didn't go fact check it. I have no reason to
believe it would not be true that this year's Kentucky
Derby featured every horse in the Kentucky Derby was of
the lineage ancestry wise of Secretariat, It's very possible. So

(01:52:56):
basically they were all like, you know, twelve cousins of
one another. But nonetheless I mean, but which is amazing
though when you think about it, Tony, because you're talking
about a racehorse that was racing fifty two years ago,
and yet that shows you the importance of that lineage
and that heritage and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
That goes out with it.

Speaker 8 (01:53:16):
You know, next week we're gonna have a young lady
on who works with the Midwest Harness Cell. That happens
here at the fair Grounds in October, and that's a
piece of the business. I really want to kind of
show your listeners a little bit and invite them in
to see, because that's where the year leans are brought
in and they're sold, and you see people and how

(01:53:39):
they're looking at the horse and what are they looking
for and is the horse's step the right step? Is
the knees are the knees looking solid. It's a piece
of the business that I've fallen in love with watching it.
And so in October I think she said they're going
to sell just over seven hundred horses.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
Really.

Speaker 8 (01:53:58):
Yeah, it's a three day process. If you get a
chance comes, it's free to go to come, spend just
thirty minutes and you will be mesmerized.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
And I'm sure you know just the care that goes
into each and every horse. I mean for that fact, right,
I mean, I'm a huge animal guy. Right, I'm a
huge animal lover. But when you think about the equity
that goes into it, that right there is why you know,
the treatment, the care, the compassion, all of it that
goes in for a horse, which is top notch for
those reasons obviously, all right, we have been given away

(01:54:31):
opportunities over the course of the summer to win a
state fair pack. Now this includes admission to the fair,
it includes food vouchers, You get a barn tour, which
is very cool because you get your chance to see
kind of behind the scenes of all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
And we now have our winner, correct, Tony, we do.

Speaker 8 (01:54:48):
We pick the winner today and it is a young
lady Laura Chaer s h E A R E R.
She's of Indianapolis. We will be reaching out to her
via email, okay, and again we'd like to have her
come out on Governor's Cup Day. We'll have her do
a trophy presentation. Well, that's awesome, tatter back into the
barns and let her kind of see these horses a

(01:55:09):
little bit. I believe we've got six passes for her
to come to the fair parking, We've got one hundred
dollars food voucher, we've got a nice swag bag of
ISA material, and hopefully we've invited the governor. So, Governor Braun,
if you're listening, we'd love to have you come out
and also present a trophy at the Governor's Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
That's right, It is the Governor's Cup, right, so I
guess he just calls it the my cup right when
he's handing it out. But again, Tony Rin's the executive
director of the Indiana Standardbred Association and the winner again,
Laura Sheer of Indianapolis, will get that prize pack, which
is very very cool. And then, needless to say, Edie,
needless to say, when Laura comes and she gets all

(01:55:51):
of that and it's right there before her, and when
the racing's about to get underway, Eddie, she will hear
the famous words from Rick that you can impersonate, which
would be just at the start of the race. Eddie,
what's she gonna hear? It's show down. Yes, okay, Finally, Tony,
let me ask you this. You got to grade my
my racehorse name. Everybody has, like if they were gonna

(01:56:13):
have a race horse and name it now. I mentioned earlier, Jessica,
I do have one racehorse name that I can't say
on the radio because it's PG thirteen at minimum.

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
But the other one that I would go with the
the radio safe racehorse name, and I want you to
grade me on the name I came up with, unequal to.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
Equine, unequal eque, unequal to equine.

Speaker 8 (01:56:35):
I like the name. Someone like a Rick Upple or
a track announcer, They're not gonna like that name. You
can get tongue tied on that red Yeah, I know,
too tricky, right, yeah, too trick. That is something that
we do need to get you come up to Hoo's
your park on like a Tuesday Wednesday night call a
race one aw.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
Man it'd be awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:56:52):
You'd have a blast.

Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
I would be terrible at it, but it would be awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:56:55):
We even have towers that the cameraman go into, and
there is a third term tower up there. Really, we'd
only let you go up that if you want to,
We're gonna put you up in the announcers I.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Go up, I'd go to Turn three. I'd go up
in the Turn three tower. I'll be terrible at it,
but it would be awesome to do it. It would
be awesome. Listen, you guys have been a great hosts
today and I certainly appreciate it. We've had a lot
of fun and it was totally fun. I still feel
bad for Derby up because he took the day off
today and that was disappointing, but the rest of them
it was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
It was a lot of fun. Tony, appreciate you having
us out.

Speaker 8 (01:57:25):
Jake, thank you so much, and thank everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
Tony Rens again, the executive director for the Indiana Standardbred Association.
A week from today, Governor's Cup taking place right here
at the Indiana State Fairgrounds. Keep in mind, this is
something that's been taking place in this state with this
sport for now, gosh, nearly one hundred and fifty years,
been taking place at the State Fair for nearly one hundred,
So we're talking about a rich, rich tradition of horse
racing in Indiana. Also a rich tradition is that of

(01:57:51):
talking about the quarterback position for the Colts, and we
will get into that because it took place yesterday in
Baltimore with the practices with the Ravens, including a fight.
We'll let you know what happened with the fisticuffs and
what player led to it. I'll tell you all of that.
We come back to Quarrying Company here ninety three five
and one of seven to five the fan. Thanks again
to Tony for Jessica for Rick having us out today

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at the Indiana State Fairgrounds. Next week, that is a
week from today, for the Indiana's Governor, cup Greg Raikstraw
will be out here filling in.

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
That is the and it bums me out, actually because.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
I really that's going to be a cool deal, and
I've had a lot of fun out here today, But
a week from today is or already was our pre
planned like a year ago. I think, well, right when
the tickets came out, my annual Shannon and I's annual
Major League Baseball Day game. We do one per year,
and we'll do we are doing it a week from today,
and that was set in stone and all locked in

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for all of the logistics for it. But Greg will
be here a week from today. Gonna be a lot
of fun and I know that he will enjoy being
out here. Rick was a super cool dude. It was
a fun interview chatting with a guy that calls horse
racing and grew up doing so in Canada. And when
he mentioned having you know, the tape on his carpet

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and pushing pieces around and calling a race fictionally, I
a hundred percent can relate to that. And I know
Mark James would tell you the same thing when he
was a kid, you know, dreaming of calling the five hundred.
And you know, just by in Rick's case, skill came
into play. In my case, in a Marx case, but
in my case, just right place, right time, truth be

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told yesterday, right place, right time, or wrong place, wrong time.
For Nate Wiggins, the young defensive back for the Ravens
who was a first round pick a year ago, still
just twenty one years old, but he was getting as
James Boyd said earlier today he was getting cooked by
Adie Mitchell, and Adie Mitchell was routinely burning him. That

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was not the reason, per se for the fisticuffs that
took place. I'm using fisticuffs in air quotes. The skirmish
that took place at Colts Camp yesterday. It happened during
a special teams drill when Tyler Goodson got knocked down.
I think took exception to the force with which he

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was knocked down, and when he jumped up with a
little bravada about him. That led to some pushing and shoving,
and that led for Nate Wiggins to jump off of
the sidelines, run out for the Ravens and get involved
in the fray that led for Nate Wiggins to have
an early end to the practice session. The reason I
mention it, you would have to assume that perhaps some

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of that was the frustration of what had taken place
for him over the course of the day, and what
had taken place for him over the course of the
day was the play of eighty Mitchell gettinghim frustrated.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
And that's a good thing. Because we talked about this earlier.

Speaker 2 (02:01:01):
I don't know exactly what the role is for Adie Mitchell,
but you wanted to be a role. I mean, obviously
he had a role within the offense a year ago,
but for the Colts, part of the role that he
had within the offense you almost felt like was them
going through the window dressing of trying to get him
involved just to see, you know, to acclimate him, but

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also to see who and what he is. And for
the most part he was a guy that was just
kind of going through the reps. But what has been
preached about the wide receiver position in the NFL by
the Colts patients patience and letting it come naturally. And
I think that you know, certainly, we have made the

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point a lot that Reggie Wayne was not a year
one breakout. Alec Pierce was not a year one breakout.
I mean, Marvin Harrison was a year one breakout, and
then he got hurt and separated his shoulder.

Speaker 1 (02:02:00):
It was and miss time.

Speaker 2 (02:02:02):
So it takes a while at that position to just
kind of figure out who and what you are. And
I think Adie Mitchell a year ago, you hope, I mean,
the hope is that that was the only thing holding
back Adie Mitchell was simply time, you know, and what
have we learned in the movie.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
That Eddie has yet to see shawshank redemption.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
I have not. Sometimes all it takes is pressure and time,
and in the case of Adie Mitchell, maybe he realizes
that the clock is ticking. Yes, you get time in
the NFL, but at the receiver position you probably get
two years. And so he knows this is a big
year for him. And so far in camp he has
had a good camp, and notably of late, I don't

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know that it started out a great camp for Ady Mitchell.
There was certainly some talk of like, where is Adie Mitchell,
and then all of a sudden, it was just boom,
there he is. And he's played well. The other storyline
that came out yesterday aside from the quarterback position, and
we're going to talk about that plenty between now and
week one.

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
And I have totally flip flopped. Barring an injury.

Speaker 2 (02:03:09):
Or a complete collapse, I think at this point it
is Anthony Richardson's job, and it probably has been all along.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
I really thought Daniel Jones.

Speaker 2 (02:03:18):
There was this weird feeling that Daniel Jones might have
been just a more consistent option and that was going
to allow him to be the one to get the nod,
But I'm off of that now. I think just based
on the way the process, the way things have gone,
the reps that he's gotten, it feels to me like,
in fact, Anthony Richardson is going to be the guy

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and he's earned that right this year, because it does
look like has he jumped out at you and said,
holy cow, this is Steve young Michael Vick, you know,
all wrapped into one. No he is not. But he
hasn't regressed per se. It has not been as noticeable
a regression as what would take probably for him to

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have the keys taken back away from him. And I
think the Colts learned from putting him at an accelerated
pace into a role without making him earn it first.
And even if even if they knew Daniel Jones was
not going to be the guy that was going to
come in and jump off the page, they have at
the very least they have created the imagery or the

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design that Anthony Richardson has earned the job and earned
the right. Hunter Waller is another storyline that we have
not talked a lot about, but yesterday kind of jumped
out had a couple of picks of Lamar Jackson, or
a couple of picks. One of them on Lamar Jackson,
the seventh round pick, the safety out of Wisconsin. We
had him on the show right after he was drafted.
Was super fun and you're pulling for the guy because

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number one, he was a super fun interview, but more
importantly because that is I mean, if you are a
seventh round pick. Great franchises and very good teams are
often not defined by their first and second round pick.
They're often defined by the frequency with which they can
get production out of the like five through eight guys

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in by round and when once you reach a mountaintop.
If you look at the Peyton Manning era Colts, they
got a lot of production out of seventh and eighth
round picks and undrafted free agents. But at the same time,
some of that was a little bit of fool's goal
because their salary was such that they had like eighty

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percent of their salary was tied up in their top
ten percent of players. And so when you have Peyton
Manning and Dwight Freeney and Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne
and Edrin James and Robert mathis that are making so
much money, you have to make that up by putting
guys in position at the bare minimum cost. And so

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the Jason Davids of the world you can look at
and say, man, that they got huge value at that position.
They got great reps at that position. But there also
is a level of you're kind of masking it a
little bit, and so inorganically you have guys that are
playing that spot because you can't afford to put somebody
there that is a third round pick, and so you
have to put guys in there. And Jason David was

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a good player, don't get me wrong, but you have
to put guys in there to an extent just to
make it work. And in this case for the Colts,
it's not necessarily about that. It's about just trying to
find the best players you can get. And when you
get guys that organically as seventh and eighth rounders are
playing their way under the roster, not out of financial
necessity for the franchise, but out of the fact that
they are producing. And they got that yesterday from Wolert.

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That's a bonus. That's a bonus, And yeah, is he
going to be your starting safety no. Is he a
depth piece that is going to be a special teams
guy to begin with, and then in an emergency you
can put them in there and feel good about it. Yes,
that's what you're looking for at that spot. I appreciate
everybody having us out today for the harness racing here
at the Indiana State Fair tomorrow Legends Golf Course.

Speaker 1 (02:07:01):
We look forward to it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:02):
Franciscan Health and their foundation will benefit from our golf
outing will be out there all day tomorrow. I can't
wait to see all of you who are going to
be there to talk to you about sports live and
also to swing the club around as well. John's up
next to carry you home. I thank you for listening
to Quarrying Company.

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