One Final Big Ten Championship Preview & Colts at Jaguars Preview! Todd Blackledge, J.P. Shadrick, Kevin Bowen, and Chris Dittoe Join!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Friends, countrymen and women, ohioans, lend me your ears on
this Friday as we're working for the weekend, Okay, because
I'm going to try to lay this out so that

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it makes the most sense and explain it because I
thought a lot about this, and I love this time
of year. I love it. I've mentioned it before. I
absolutely love last weekend the high school football state finals
and you got a Pacers game and the lighting of

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the tree and a Christmas Carol all that. I love it.
Kicking off the season, coming off of Thanksgiving, I love it.
I love and for years I loved the tradition of
like the holiday season in Indiana and Kentucky would be
playing in basketball or the Big Four Classic or the
Bank One clas to go back to then, or Purdue

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playing at Gambridge field House in Pacer games and holiday
shopping and everything coming awake and everybody championship games and
Army Navy and all the things that take place of
like the dreary forty degree sunsetting at four thirty in
the afternoon, But it doesn't matter because they are great
games to watch and you're in fires and people to
get together with and everything else. Right, I love all

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of it. And yes, the Colts are getting ready to
play in Jacksonville. Yes, the Pacers tonight are taking on
the Bulls. Yes, Purdue's got a big matchup with Iowa State,
a big one in college basketball this weekend. But let
me explain, and I understand it. In Indianapolis, we are

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the hospitality capital of the world. Nobody does it better.
Nobody does it better than Indianapolis when it comes to
developing a stage, putting it out there, getting the spotlights
and the strobe lights dancing through the air, of saying
something big is happening here. Nobody does it better.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
You know, when I hear you say strobe lights and
things like that, I think of the diing Schweiz.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Very similar. Yes, do we happen to have that? By
the way, your sweat from Munich right.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
I should have had that on the queue if I
was thinking about it. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Nobody puts on these events better than Indianapolis. And let
me explain. If you're driving in from Ohio, we welcome you.
If you are a fan of Purdue, we understand. Or
if you're a fan of Notre Dame, I get your

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frustration in having to kind of sit back now and
watch how things fall with the college football playoff. But
let me explain to you the significance of this weekend,
and let me explain the theme of today's show. Friends, all Ohioans,
countrymen and women, lend me your ear. I grew up

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in this what I consider to be the best city
in the land. And I've been to all fifty states,
and yes, I know that there are fabulous cities with
fabulous locales, but I love Indianapolis. When you grew up
in Indianapolis in the time frame that I did, everybody's
had their turn at bat. The Indianapolis Motor Speedway is

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a big part of what put Indianapolis on the map
in terms of the largest single day spectator sport, and
for many years the second largest was qualifying at least
we used to tell ourselves that. But even still, when
you get over one third of a million people in
one spot to watch a sporting event every single year,
and the camaraderie that comes with that, and people that

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come from all over and within that sport, eyeballs from
around the world watching what takes place in Indianapolis, we
love it. The Colts moved here in nineteen eighty four,
they had relative obscurity and ani on the NFL stage
for many years. They made a trade for Eric Dickerson
in eighty seven, they went to a playoff game. They
came within a whisker of the Super Bowl in the

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mid nineties, and then Peyton Manning was drafted and suddenly
the Colts became the epicenter of the football world. Went
to two Super Bowls as members of the Indianapolis Colts
and won one of them, hoisted the Lombardi and had
the most famous player and arguably the greatest player in
the history of the game, calling Indianapolis, Indiana Home. The

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Colts have had their turn at the plate, and they
still are the driving force of what we talk about
on the regular on this program. The Pacers, as we
have talked about often in the seventies, ABA greatness then
transitioned into the NBA again obscurity, anonymity, brown curtain. Come

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out and see cool in the gang after the game
when you watch Julius serving drop thirty two on your
Pacers jose Slaw, this might be the year where he
breaks into the starting rotation. But be sure to come
out and see Kevin McHale and Larry Bird and then
afterwards see the fabulous you know Dom Rickles perform. And

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then in the mid nineties, the Pacers have their breakthrough
Reggie Miller Hicks versus Nicks. The sports world sees what's
going on with the Pacers. Indiana Basketball already had given
us our taste of that because Bob Knight was the
biggest that there was in terms of college basketball icons.
They won three national championships with Bob Knight, and they'd

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already won two by the time he arrived. They were
undefeated in nineteen seventy six, and Indiana Basketball and the
Kreem and Crimson of IU and the Candy Stripe Pants
took their turn at the plate and they were the
lead dominating story for a long time in this town.
I've seen Purdue. I went and saw Purdue play against

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John Elway and Stanford in the early eighties, and Purdue
was already coming off of and Arrow where Mark Herman
was the most valuable player of three different Bowl games
in three different years. And then Purdue gets Joe Tiller
football or basketball on grass. Drew Brees is throwing the
ball all over the place, and lo and behold he

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does the Holy Toledo and throws the touchdown with Ohio
State Seth Morales, and before you know it, boom. Purdue
is the epicenter and the talking point of college football
in Indiana and throughout the Big Ten and throughout the country.
And Drew Brees goes on to become the most prolific
passer in the history of the National Football League. And
any time that he can tell anybody about it, he

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talks about his pride of Purdue. Nore Dame goes without
saying elite program. Notre Dame had their turn at the plate.
Alan Pinkett, I think about great running back back in
the day. Obviously Joe Montana played there. You go all
the way back to the great eras it goes without
saying Arab Parsigiano for that newt Rockney. Notre Dame has

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never not been relevant in the state of Indiana or
nationally speaking when it comes to college football. And while
Notre Dame might not be right here in the Indianapolis market,
and it may be some two and a half or
three hours away, obviously there is a huge entrance and
a pride to the fact that Notre Dame is in
the state of Indiana. And still represents a lot of
the values that we love in Indiana and has been

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and again is continuing to be an elite national program.
It's never dipped from that. This town has put on
events like nobody's business. Final Fours became routine in this
town where we needed new storylines to make them exciting,
because in nineteen eighty when the Final Four was here,
you had Iowa, you had Purdue and Joe Berry Carroll,

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you had Louisville, and you had UCLA and Louisville wins
the title in nineteen eighty and then we had to
wait until nineteen ninety one when the Final Four came
back at the Hoosierdome, which a year before had hosted
the high school basketball state finals. Because we wanted everybody
to know that nobody does it like we do in
Indiana when it comes to high school basketball and the

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enthusiasm Damon Bailey nineteen ninety and then in nineteen ninety one,
the Final Four Duke UNLV, North Carolina, Kansas, Grant Hill,
Huge Aliup, huge upset, UNLV gets beat nineteen ninety one,
and then we became so accustomed to hosting the Final
Four because nobody does it better than Indianapolis, that we
eventually needed new storylines to make it exciting when it

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was here, like Butler and Butler, who took their turn
being the toast of the town. Butler with Brad Stevens,
the stunning upsets, the knocking off Sarahcuse earlier, and the
turn of coaches where you just kept getting one coach
to the next. That Butler was the opportunity for them
to maybe go elsewhere. But then the next coach that

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would come along was just as good, if not better.
And Butler makes their run, and Butler gets their turn,
and Gordon Hayward is inches away from one of the
biggest Cinderella stories in the history of college basketball in
nearly defeating Duke in the Final four. And Butler gets

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to play a Final four right here in Indianapolis. And
the storyline is, how great is it? They went to
class this morning and then got on school buses and
drove it down Capitol and went and got and played
in the Final four. And of course we were accustomed
at that point to again big events taking place here,
the Payam Games taking place here, all of it. And
when Purdue went to the Final four with Zach eaty,
when Perdue went to the National Championship Game and Matt

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Painters got them rolling their number one in the country.
They got Iowa State this weekend, as I mentioned, And
Purdue from a college basketball standpoint, is at the epicenter
of everything right now, and they absolutely deserve every flower
they get. And when Purdue went to the Final Four,
and when Notre Dame played in the National Championship game
last year, when Notre Dame made their run, including of

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course beating a local team to start out the college
football playoffs, but when Notre Dame was making their running
year ago, and they're not even necessarily an in market team,
but they're in in Indiana, and we had guests on
virtually every week talking about Notre Dame. And when Purdue
went to the Final Four and they broke through and
they slayed the dragon and the ghosts of fifteen seeds

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passed and sixteen seeds passed, and they found their way
to the Final four and Zach Edy led them there
and Matt Payter had it rolling. We did a show
on this program on ninety three to five and one
oh seven to five the fan called Query and Company,
where I sat here and said you know what, you
long suffering Purdue basketball fans who had to sit and

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listen to the conversation forever about Bob Knight and Indiana
and everything else that goes with it. And even though
Gene Katie won three straight Big Ten titles in the
late eighties, you had to hear instead about Steve Alfred
and Jay Edwards and everything else. It is your time
to shine. It's your time to call in, it's your
time to gloat, It's your time to push out your chest.
The one team, the one program that has never had

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that opportunity. Sure, in nineteen forty five they had an
unbeaten season. Sure, some fifty six years ago, fifty seven
years ago, fifty eight years ago, whatever it might be,
they went to the Rose Bowl. But the program that
has lost more games than anybody in the history of
college football heading into this season, northwesterns now eclipsed it.

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The program that at one time took a time out
to take a team photo in front of the scoreboard
because they were up seven to nothing in a game.
The program that, in my childhood, when Andy Birch's grandfather
was on the board of trustees for Indiana University, the
biggest perk about that was we got great football seats.
Except for that I was too young to realize that
basically anybody could have gotten great football seats because nobody

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was going to watch them play, because there was never
in anybody's atmosphere. There was never, in anybody's wildest imagination.
There was never, ever, ever, during the time that Butler
was playing in final fours and Purdue was playing in
fal fours, and Indiana was winning national championships, and Notre
Dame was winning national championships, in the Indy five hundred

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was pulling a sixteen rating, and the Pacers were breaking
through and going into the NBA Finals and getting within
a half of winning the NBA title, and the Colts
were hoisting Lombardi's. Never during that time did we ever,
in anybody's wildest imagination begin to think that the possibility
was there that when the Big Ten championships would be
hoisted at Lucas Oil Stadium, hosted at Lucas Oil Stadium,

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and the title trophies would be hoisted into the air,
that this team would in fact have their opportunity, and
that we would have a show on a Friday that
would give the opportunity for the long suffering fans of
this program to soak it in, enjoy it and have
their day. But guess what, it is their turn at
the plate. And Ohioans, I know you're not gonna like it.

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I know you don't like seeing it on the JW.
Marriott Purdue fans, you're number one in college basketball. I
totally get it. But nobody ever thought this would happen
that on a championship weekend we would be hearing this
emanating from throughout the streets of downtown Indianapolis, Indiana Fighting Hoosiers.
The Indiana Hoosiers are one win away from winning the

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Big Ten championship, and even if they don't win that game,
the Indiana Hoosiers are more than likely going to get
a buy in the College Football Playoff and find themselves
within a whisker of a national championship. And they're doing
it with the Big Ten offensive player of the year
in Fernando Mandoza, who may put himself in contention for

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the Heisman or cement it with a great game against
Ohio State. And Kurtz Signetti is the coach not just
of the year, not just of the decade. He might
be so far the coach of the century and what
he has turned around in the greatest story in college football.
I don't care whether you're a fan of Alabama, Notre Dame,
Florida State, Clemson, Texas A, and m Texas Tech. What

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Indiana has done to put themselves now in this position,
with this entire city fired up and ready to go
and ready to get going here for the Big Ten
Championship against undoubtedly one of the richest, one of the
most dynamic, one of the most talented, one of the
most accomplished programs in the history of college football, the

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Buckeyes of Ohio State. Yes, Ohio State, I'm giving you
your flowers, great program, unbelievable coach, a level that they need.
They can turn up the wic and probably play offensively
to the point where they've got receivers that can play
on a Sunday. If Ohio State just decides to take
their receiving court and put them in a back corner,

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no problem. A week from Sunday when the Colts come
back home, they probably could use any of them on
the field. And the Colts have a good receiving court,
but they are that good. But the Indiana Hoosiers are
in the Big Ten championship game, and over the course
of today, I want to invite you Indiana fans to
go ahead and gloat. Those of you have been long

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suffering from fifty five years sitting down at a Memorial
Stadium with twenty thousand other people there wondering why you're
sitting through a rainstorm to watch, you know, Lorenzo White
run all over him for Michigan State. It is your time,
It's your turn at the plate. And today, over the
course of today, we will celebrate those of you who
have been waiting forever and never ever ever thought you

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would see this day now. One guy who has an
objectivity about him because he has to is Todd Blacklytch,
who of course is with NBC when it comes to
Big Ten college football. And I want to get the
objective side of it, because listen, I'm going to be
a homer today because I never thought i'd see it

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at fifty three years old, that Indiana is right here
and I know how good Ohio State is. But Todd
Blacklist joins us now on the Java House Peel and
poor Guest line to break down this game. Todd, it
is a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
How are you I'm doing good, Jake. How are you doing?

Speaker 1 (15:54):
You know, Hey, I'm not gonna lie to you. Man,
I'm fired up because I never thought i'd see it. Man,
I never ever thought i'd see it. Now, I know
Ohio State is outstanding. I know they're outstanding. But let's
begin with Indiana in this story of Kurt Signetti. And
it's not a news story, Todd, it's season two of it.
But as somebody who's been around the game a lot

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to what do you pinpoint the ability of this guy
to get this program to this point?

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Well, you know, it is the second year, but it's
no less remarkable still. I mean, the job that he
has done and the turnaround and how immediate the turnaround
has been, and bringing the guys in from JMU, whether
it's staff guys or players that ended up being outstanding
Big Ten players as well. It truly is remarkable. And

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it obviously started with him and starts with him and
his leadership and his process and culture. And I mean,
I think it's one of the great great stories of
college football since I've been covering it. You know, I
think you know what Nick Saban did at Alabama over
a period of time and just the championship level caliber

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that he had that program man was an amazing story
to me also. But this, what Kurt Signetti done, is remarkable.
And I think they're you know, I don't think they're
going anywhere soon.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
You know.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
I think they're better this year than they were a
year ago. And uh and they were pretty good last year.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
When you look at and you played obviously Todd you know,
for the biggest of programs, right, I mean at Penn State,
and when you're playing for a legendary coach and Joe
Paterno and national championships and all of that. At Penn State,
it's kind of expected when you go there, right, I mean,
you knew what the pressure was going to be from
the time that you arrived. In Indiana's case, and I know,

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again it's year number two and they have become accustomed
to winning under Kurt Signetti. But at the same time,
there is so much at stake with this game in
their home state against that program.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Right.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Do fans fans get nervous about it? Do you think
players do?

Speaker 4 (18:08):
I don't think they get nervous. I mean, you know,
there's a there's a normal energy, and you know, everybody
has butterflies, you know, before a game of this magnitude,
but then once you know, once kickoff starts and you
start playing, it just gets back down to play and
playing ball, you know, and doing what you've done week
in a week at and again, you know, in the
case of Kurt Signetti and his staff, and then the

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same thing I would say with Ryan Day and his staff.
You know, they they have a process in place, a
day to day, practice to practice, game to game process
that doesn't deviate just because this is a different caliber
of game. I mean, they treat everything the same way.
It's in a different venue, you know, be a different crowd,
makeup kind of thing. But at the same time, they're

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going to stick to their process. And I think both
of them are very confident, uh in the process. And
then you know the way they do things.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
I've been Todd Blackledge is my guest. He's on the
job house Peel and poor guest line top. When you
look at this game, and I know, Ohio State's outstanding,
so too is Indiana. You know, this really is to
some extent like that that little Spider Man gift right
of two strengths looking at one another, because both teams
seemingly do the same things. Well, which which of these

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two teams has the vulnerability that is more easier to
expose for the other.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Well, that's you know, that's gonna be a fun thing
to watch. I don't know, I would not say that
either team has a glaring vulnerability.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
I think they're both really well coached teams. I think
they're really solid in all three phases of the game,
and I think that's why they are where they are and.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
Both being undefeated.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
You know, the one thing I will say when I
studied Indiana's game against Penn State, because I had Penn
State Nebraska, you know, a couple of games after of that.
But when I studied that game, you know it, it
concerned me a little bit that the protection for mendo
Mendoza was you know that he was running for his.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Life some you know.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Now, he came back at the end and led a
great drive and the protection was good enough in that
last drive for him to hit some big time throws.
And but for a lot of that game he was
under duress and and so that you know, that was
the one little red flag maybe, But again I think
the other part of that, you know, he was playing

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without his favorite target and one of his best receivers
in Surat, and so you know that took us something
away from their past game. But I I think that
that's you know, if I'm Indiana, that's my first thing
I've got. I've got to figure I got to make
sure I protect the quarterback, you know, and that's because
he gives them a chance. And you know, as a
you know, as a dual threat guy. And I do

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think his legs in this game can be a real factor,
you know, at your point in the season now where
you know you you don't hold anything back, you give
it your best shot. And I think that's Kurt Signetti's personality.
I think that's Mendoza's personality. And I think that, you know,
part of their plan will will involve him making plays

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with his legs as well. I think he is more
of a threat to do that than Julian Saying is
on the other side.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
That's okay, So let me ask you this, Todd Blackledge,
my guest, Indiana does have an ability to get to
quarterbacks on their defensive front. I mean their pass rush
is very stout, But does that matter against saying I
haven't seen him enough to know how he is when
he has to kind of if he's got to be
slippery in the pocket. I know he's an incredibly accurate passer,
but is he Can you disrupt him at all?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Well?

Speaker 4 (21:47):
I think you can, and I think you have to.
I mean, if you want to have a chance to
beat them, you have to find ways to make him uncomfortable.
Because this is a team. This is not like some
other Ohio State teams I've seen in pass or most
college football teams. This is a team that throws the
ball better than they run the football. And you know,

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I think their running game has gotten better. I think
Bo Jackson has kind of e merged as their you know,
their feature back. I think the left side of their
offensive line from a run blocking standpoint is very solid,
better than the right side of their line. But the
biggest thing they do and the best thing they do
because of the skill set of Julian Saying, and then
the skill set in particular of the guys out out wide,

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you know and Tate and Smith and now the tight
end Max Claire, is throw the football and so you
have to defend them, maybe even a little bit more
so like you would defend an NFL team, which is
we've got to affect the quarterback. You know, we want
to defend the run. But you don't go into playing
Ohio State saying we have to we have to stop
the run. That's first and foremost. We have to stop

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the run because they'll they'll throw it, you know. And
if you can't make the quarterback uncomfortable, if you can't
give him different looks, if you can't put a little
pressure on him, make him hold the ball a little
bit longer, get him out of his comfort zone. He's
just too accurate of a passer. And those guys on
the outside you can't cover them, so, you know, on

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a consistent basis. So so yes, you have to find
a way to make him uncomfortable. And I think that Indiana,
you know, with their simulated pressures and the way they
kind of do things defensively, I think they have a
chance to do that.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Todd, do you believe that regardless of what happens in
this game? And I know how bad Indiana fans want to,
you know, especially when to beat Ohio State, because to
be the best, you got to beat the best, right,
But do both of these teams deserve a first round
by regardless of what happens tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
It's a good question.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
I don't I don't know if I don't know that
that will happen, you know, And I don't know for sure,
you know, based on the based on last year, whether
that first round by is a great thing or point.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
You know, point I think.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
I think if you're playing well, and you've got things
on a role and you're healthy, you know, I think
most guys want to keep playing, you know. Now, if
you get some guys banged up in this game and
you need a little extra time, then then then it
can be beneficial. But I'm not sure it's the greatest
thing to have, especially.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
If you get a home game, you know, and.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Another chance to play in front of your home crowd
in December, and a playoff mode would be pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Lastly, bo Jackson, you mentioned the running back for Ohio State.
We have mentioned it several times this week. He is
of no relation. He is, of course, of the same name,
but no relation to the Bo Jackson Heisman winner and
legendary running back out of Auburn. Sometimes I feel bad
when guys have the same name of great players, because
that means one of the two kind of gets lost
in it, and no bigger example of that, and both

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of them are fabulous players. Kurt Warner the quarterback, unfortunately,
I think to made people some people forget about Kurt Warner,
the running back and the one that you played with
at Penn State and went on to Seattle. I think
is one of the most underrated and underappreciated running backs
of the late eighties. Tell me I'm.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Wrong, Well, he you know, I'm pretty biased, but I
thought he was the best guy I ever played with
ever teammate. He was an outstanding player at Penn State,
and even though his career was shortened, you know, by
a knee injury when he was in the NFL, he
was still incredibly productive, made a couple of Pro Bowls,
got the Seahawks into the playoffs. He was a great,

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great player, and he had the ability to you know,
to me, his superpower as a running back was he
had the ability to cut and move laterally without losing speed.
And you know, just very few guys that I've seen,
you know, had that ability to do that.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
But he was.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
He was a special player.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Over fourteen hundred yards on two occasions, for over one
thousand yards in his NFL career. Loved Kurt Warner, and
I love those Seahawks uniforms, so there's probably a bias
for me there as well. Loved him, Todd A one time,
what's happened funny?

Speaker 4 (26:08):
I was just going to say, one thing is funny
you talk about bo Jackson and having the same name.
The irony of that is his actual real.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Oh I know, laar, yeah right, But of course here's
the thing, Todd. Let's be real, okay. I mean he's
going to be fine no matter which one of those
he replicates, right, I mean, either one he gets, the
career of either one of those two guys, he's in
pretty good shape.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, that's right, Todd.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
I appreciate the time. I know it's a busy time,
and certainly enjoy watching you with all of your coverage,
especially on NBC. And appreciate the time.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Today you got it, man, enjoy the weekend.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Appreciate it. Todd Blackliss joining us, Java House, Peel and
Port guest line Big Show line up. Chris Did are
going to join us one o'clock today on the program
We will talk Colts.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
J P.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Shadwick going to join us at one thirty and Kevin
Bowen at two o'clock. So we've got a lot going
on over the course of today. But when we come back,
I'm going to get let's and you Indiana fans, you've
been waiting forever for it, right, you've been waiting forever
for it, And we did this for Purdue when they
made And I know it's not yet the final four,
but this is big for the Hoosiers in terms of

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getting to play Ohio State and seeing Indiana painted in
the end zone. If you are somebody who's been going
to EU Games forever, if you've got an uncle, you've
got a grandfather, you've got a dad, you've got a mother,
you've got an aunt, you've got a cousin, somebody you
know that you think to yourself, this is for them,
then I want to know about it. At two three,
nine ten seventy, I arrived, I should say, today, walked

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in the building and I'm wearing my again.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
I know it.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
I know that by the definition and the letter of
the law, with this job, there is to be an objectivity.
And I also know and understand there's a law about that.
There is I didn't know that. What's the letter, what's
that what's the letter p Oh?

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Really?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, it stands for professionalism.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Really. Yes, I didn't know you had that there. Well,
that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I have. I carried it forever and then just decided
a year ago.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
I'm Indy through and through, baby, and I bleed the
torch of Indiana. And I was thrilled when Prdue went
to the final four. Thrilled because I knew what it
meant to my cousin that went to Purdue. I knew
what it meant to, you know, my uncle, so many
Purdue fans that I knew and grew up with, and
you know kids I went to school with that went

(28:39):
to Purdue. I was thrilled when Butler went to the
final four because it was such an incredible story. And yeah,
when I was growing up, I was a diehard, obnoxious,
completely myopic Indiana fan. But now I'm a fan of
all the teams, and when they are doing well, I

(29:00):
want them to be celebrated on this radio station, in
this radio show, and each group of fans should get
their turn at the plate, and we should all kumbay
a baby, all celebrate what is local. And that's what
I want to do, and so you know, I have
my IU What is it? The Bison? Yep, the Bison, fella.

(29:26):
This is the seventies vintage of it. Of course I
could have worn one of my why not Indiana shirts
whatever it might be, but I want to. And so
I get here today and I see Eddie's wearing an
Indiana sweatshirt. I saw Scott Johnson's wearing an Indiana football jersey.
He has the one retro one that exists within the
free market. I saw Landin's wearing an Indiana sweatshirt all

(29:48):
in baby, and I know it's Ohio against the world
for Ohio State, but it's Indiana against the world. I
guess this weekend. Jim joins us at two, three, nine,
ten seventy. I want people to let me know why
and who they're cheering for to see this get done,
because we never thought we would see it. How are you, Jim?

Speaker 3 (30:08):
I'm great? How are you, Jake?

Speaker 1 (30:09):
I'm fired up, man, I'm fired up. Jim. Are you
an Indiana fan?

Speaker 6 (30:15):
I am huge?

Speaker 1 (30:17):
If you don't mind me asking, Jim, how old a
fella are you?

Speaker 7 (30:21):
I am sixty two?

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Okay, you began going to Indiana football games or following
them in what era? The bad era?

Speaker 3 (30:31):
How about that?

Speaker 1 (30:33):
So so years ago?

Speaker 6 (30:38):
Rest.

Speaker 7 (30:39):
That's why when I heard your question, I immediately thought of
only myself, as this is for me, because in my
four years in Bloomington, we won three games in four years.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Okay, so you would have been there. I'm just guessing here.
You would have been there right around, probably starting out
with Sam Whitch and then into the Mallory year where
he went winless in his first year before he kind
of got things going right.

Speaker 7 (31:08):
My freshman year was Corso's last year, okay.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
And then so then you saw Whites.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
Right, yep, yep, and he went on he went winless
as well.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
And then Mallory came in.

Speaker 7 (31:24):
And I think he won one game and then two
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I think White might have won like one or two
games and then may I know Mallory was winless in
his first year. But yes, Jim, listen, maybe that's what
it was.

Speaker 7 (31:34):
Yeah, it was such a bad experience I tried to
forget about.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Did you go to games as a student gym every game?

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I loved every game. I love it. Jim, all right,
So are you going tomorrow night? Absolutely? You gotta do
it right. I mean, and here's the thing, Jem. Absolutely,
the funny thing is in reality, in reality, the game
tomorrow night is kind of meaningless in reality, right, but
it's not I do you agree?

Speaker 7 (32:01):
I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
It's not, though, Jim, I appreciate it. Win it for Jim, Baby,
Win it for Jim. Andrew's next, Andrew, what's up, hey, Jake?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
How you doing?

Speaker 1 (32:12):
I'm all right?

Speaker 8 (32:13):
You good?

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Good?

Speaker 9 (32:15):
We got are you all over here this weekend?

Speaker 6 (32:18):
So pumped about that?

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Okay? So are you going to the basketball game tomorrow?

Speaker 9 (32:22):
Just I'm just going to the basketball game.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, So you're not going to the football game. No,
let me ask you something.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Married.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Let me ask Andrew, are you a married fellow?

Speaker 3 (32:33):
I am? Yeah, two year old.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Well, and the other thing, too, is the wife put
the financial restriction on it, right, because there's quite the
disparity between the basketball ticket and the football ticket, right, Yeah?

Speaker 9 (32:44):
Yeah, about a thousand dollars maybe.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, it's it's unbelievable. Okay, Andrew, you began did you
go to Indiana?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (32:53):
I graduated in twenty eleven.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Okay, so you saw some okay teams? Am I right
about that? Was that the I'm trying to think my
years get foggy. Was that the Kevin Wilson.

Speaker 9 (33:03):
Era I graduated, So first year was Heppner died that
summer Lynch took over, went to the inside, dot combol.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
And then Wilson started after.

Speaker 9 (33:14):
I actually was the equipment manager for the team from
eight to ten.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
So I hold on hold, Andrew, hang on hold the phone,
Hold the phone. So you were an equipment manager for
Indiana football. I was that doesn't earn you the right
to call down there and demand a ticket.

Speaker 9 (33:34):
I tried that for a regular season this year, and
it wasn't. We got him last year, but this year
they were a little bit tighter on uh.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Huh yeah, okay, now, yeah, you know, I'm not saying
they upgraded their equipment managers, Andrew. But let's be real here, right,
I mean, come on, all right, Andrew, listen. I'm I'm
hoping they get it done. Like I said, I told Jim,
the game's meaningless, but it's not. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Oh totally, Andrew.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Uh listen, cheer them on tomorrow. In the basketball standpoint,
that's gonna be a tough one. Louisll's pretty good. I
think Indiana's cotao, but football side of it. Enjoy the game,
all right. I don't know. I was gonna go to
the game, and now I'm not going to the game.
And so Eddie, what is your plan tomorrow for the
big game?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Which game? Because you were talking about football? Okay, football,
I'm going over to her buddy's house tomorrow night, Alec No, man,
I'm calling bluff here. No, tomorrow is Alex's birthday, So
happy early birthday, Alex.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
You know your friends are kind of like Indiana football seasons,
hard to find a second one, right.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Really, you're going that low. Seriously, I'm just telling you.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
We'll get back into the conversation about I you Chris
Dido joining us at eighteen when we come back. There
is good news for the Colts heading into Jacksonville. I'll
explain next Eddie. By any chance, do you happen to
have the breaking news sounder? This from in Girl Cindy.

(35:01):
I was on the IU campus from eighty five to
eighty eight. I was at the game in Columbus in
eighty seven when I you beat Ohio State thirty one ten.
I remember that like it was yesterday. By the way,
that was Earl Bruce's famous darkest day in Ohio state history?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Is this Cindy Denise listener?

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Well? That and that's I ran the Breaking News sounder
because I thought it might be that we have female
listener thirty one unless we do have a Cindy already registered?

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Do we?

Speaker 8 (35:25):
Not?

Speaker 2 (35:25):
We do?

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Okay? Do you happen to have the breaking new sounder?
This just in? We're still stuck on thirty. I thought
we had thirty one, but I guess it sounds like
we're still stuck on thirty. Right, didn't we have I
forget her name?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
That the former IU p U I now IU Indy
soccer player.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Was she not?

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Was she thirty or thirty one?

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Do you happen to have the breaking news sounder? By chance?

Speaker 3 (35:57):
This just in?

Speaker 1 (35:57):
We are actually at thirty one female listeners, still looking
for thirty two. However, the next female listener we get
that is new to this program will be Edrin James
thirty two.

Speaker 6 (36:06):
Right, yep?

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Okay? The Colts are in Jacksonville. Speaking of Edrin James
coming up on Sunday, this is a place that has
been an absolute nightmare for them. House of horrors. You know,
I've always I usually say house of horrors, but I
feel like I really have to enunciate and accentuate that
second syllable of horrors. Yeah, that's right, because otherwise people

(36:30):
then start to they're saying to themselves. I turn on
the show. Why is Jake talking about? Amsterdam?

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Right?

Speaker 6 (36:36):
Right?

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:37):
The red light district, which, by the way, apparently you're
not allowed to take photos with your That is correct.
How stupid you, I believe it is what the girl
said to me.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I just remember you stupid.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
You can. For those that don't know what I'm talking about.
When we were in Amsterdam, I was walking through the
red Light district and I thought, well, this is and
I was it's like this kind of commercialize it. It's
like Disney World almost right, but with red lights everywhere.
And so we're walking along and I get up my
phone to kind of videotape it, and Shannon's like, I
don't think you can do that. I don't think you
can do that. And then one of the girls starts

(37:12):
knocking on the glass and I thought, well, they're very
aggressive with their sales approach. And then she opened the
door of the or the window thing that she was
standing in and she yelled at me, how stupid you.
And I didn't realize this, but they could actually take
your phone in the circumstance guilty as charged, I mean
cultural naivete here. So on this video, all you can

(37:34):
hear is a girl yelling how stupid you, and Shannon
in the distance saying, no, that's it, You're on your own.
No gosh, yeah, she thought for sure we were getting arrested.
The good news for the Colts in this game if
you were looking for positives Daniel Jones yesterday going through
individual drills looking again, I mean that injury is not

(37:57):
going to just immediately go away. But the only player,
Kevin Bone is going to join us coming up about
a little over an hour and a half from now.
Pointing this out, the only player that is on the
injury report for did not practice for multiple days this

(38:19):
week is Sauce Gardner. And we knew obviously that Sauce
Gardner was not going to be a go. I think
it's safe to say that he misses three games not
going on IR though, so that would mean that they
do not anticipate that he will miss four. Otherwise you
would probably just put him on IR. But The Jags,

(38:41):
as we talked about yesterday with Matt Taylor, are a
little bit of an enigma because I think that we think,
generically speaking, when it comes to Jacksonville that they are
going to be defensively aggressive, and they have a quarterback
that I have thought the world of in Trevor Lawrence.
But the reality is that it is becoming more clear
that what Eddie has said about Trevor Lawrence is just

(39:02):
the consistency is not there to where you'd like it.
When you get good Trevor Lawrence, he's pretty good, but
you just they they have challenges getting that from one
quarter to the next, let alone one game to the next.
Two through nine, ten seventy is the telephone number Nancy
joining us. Hi, Nancy, how are you?

Speaker 10 (39:20):
I'm good, Jake, how you doing?

Speaker 5 (39:22):
You know?

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Nancy? Let me tell you something. It's a Friday, right right.
It's a beautiful day outside.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Now.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
I don't like cold weather, but it's sunny outside, right
And Nancy, I'm driving down today and I'm driving down
Capital and I'm thinking about the fact of everything that's
going to happen in this awesome sports weekend, and the
fact that I basically get to sit here and talk
about it for three hours with fabulous, beautiful people like yourself.
So how in the world can I complain about anything? Nancy?

Speaker 10 (39:49):
Right, you can't, Jake, Do you know who this is?
Nancy Chumbley, Nancy.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
The prime joy of Hencepin fire suits. Let me tell
you something for those that don't know, Nancy with Henchman
fire suits. And if you want to talk about the
craftsmanship of this woman, the artistry of which the voice
you're hearing, I remember like it was yesterday when Dario
Frankety wanted to do a tribute to his hero Jim Clark,

(40:18):
and Nancy took one photo and one big patch of
fabric and the next thing I knew had the most
perfect absolute replica fire suit for Dario fran Ketty to
walk around in. And I've never seen a guy that
won three and five hundreds be more proud of anything
in the world. Now, Nancy, are you? Are you implying,
Nancy that you were listening to the show today? By chance?

Speaker 10 (40:40):
I'm implying that my brother Joe, who's called in many
times and listened faithfully, just gave me a call and said, Nia, Turry,
your baddy, Jake just said up thirty second caller.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Now hold on now, Nancy. Here's the thing though, because
we have to get verification that you've actually listened to
the program before or oh before we can lock you
in as female listener number thirty two, thirty one or
thirty two.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Eddie, thirty two Eddrian James.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Remember, so, Nancy, have you listened to the program before?

Speaker 10 (41:11):
Yes, I have, of course I have. You know, besides
Dario looking hot in his suit, we have Jake looking
hot in the suit and make for him as well.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Okay, hold on, hold on, can you say that one
more time for me, Nancy? Aside from Dario, what else
do you have?

Speaker 10 (41:25):
We had a Jake Query suit we made and wow
did he look hot in that?

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Eddie?

Speaker 1 (41:30):
If you could please the breaking new sounder officially female
caller number thirty two, Nancy, or now you know what, Nancy,
that was such a great endorsement. And because of your
affiliation with the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, thirty three is the
magic number. You are female listener thirty two and thirty three.

(41:50):
How's that green dog we're sitting on? Thirty three? Eddie.
I love it, Nancy, I love you, appreciate it and
Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas. Te you and Nancy is
the absolute best Nancy tummy at Henchmin fire Suits over
on the Near West Side does all of the fire
suits for IndyCar Radio entering James and Miles Turning, Oh Boy,

(42:12):
thirty three, Ashley Ambrose, Melvin Bullet, wasn't he thirty three
or thirty three? In the starting grid? Nancy female caller
thirty two and thirty three? Chris Ditto. By the way,
Chris Ditto told me yesterday, I said, Hey, can you
come on the show. I want to talk to an
Indiana football player about what this means. And Ditto said

(42:32):
to me, I'm so excited I might hyperventilate on the air.
So we're going to find out. And if you know what,
you know what I'll say. If he tells me that
he's excited about this weekend with Indiana football, you know
what I'll say in response to that at Dominic Rhads, Jake, Oh,
Dominic Rhodes, this should be the Super Bowl MVP. If
if Chris says to me, I am so stoked about this, Jake,

(42:55):
you know what my response will be, why not Indiana? No,
My response will be Diddo. He joins us.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
Next.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Bill Benner, one of the great great Pillar media people
in Indianapolis, sends me the following. Jake, one of my
best friends. Jim has been an IU football season ticket
holder for fifty years. We sit together. He named his
kids Bill and Mallory. Last year we traveled to twelve
of the thirteen games. This year we've been to nine

(43:25):
of the twelve, and of course we'll be there tomorrow
night and however far they go. He owns a small
business in Connersville, but has made the drive to and
from Bloomington more than a thousand times, and those return
trips have often not been enjoyable. This IU season is
for him that from Bill now Ron with Chicago's Pizza.
As a matter of fact, love Ron and Chicago's pizza.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Jay fantastic.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
I'm a class of seventy five IU graduate, but truthfully,
I was never a long suffering IU football fan, because
the dead don't suffer. But I'm enjoying the resurrection immensely
for so many people. As I mentioned off the top
of the show, each sports entity and property of this market.
Butler Basketball in Indiana, Basketball, Perdue football, Perdue basketball, Notre

(44:12):
Dame football, all of it. They've each had their turn,
they've each had their spot in the batter's box, their
moment in the sun, and that time has arrived this
weekend for Indiana football. And this is just Christmas Eve
because you got the college football Playoff, which is obviously
a certainty for Indiana regardless of what happens tomorrow night.

(44:34):
But to be able to see the Indiana painted in
the end zone at Lucas Oil Stadium and over sixty
thousand people there going up against the defending national champions
in Indiana football, being merited and being justified and being
legitimately a top two team in the country with a
chance to ascend to number one is unbelievable. And one
of the guys that is enjoying it as much as

(44:56):
anybody played in thirty one games over four years for
Indiana through over three thousand yards as their quarterback. Chris
Dida joins me on the show, and he has been
breathing into a brown paper bag for a week and
a half in preparation, not because of this perform or
this appearance, but because of the game.

Speaker 11 (45:12):
Chris, how are you, oh, Jake, I mean, I'm doing
great and you couldn't be more right. I know I
feel this might sound really corny, but I actually feel
I even felt like this in a long time, and
it feels like I could like I've felt like the
night before a game, and honestly, like you said, I

(45:32):
feel like I'm nervous, I've got butterflies, jittery, hard to sleep,
and it's just so much fun to think about the
game tomorrow night for all the reasons you just mentioned,
for all the people that have followed Indiana football for decades,
and we've never had this opportunity. So it's a feeling
that I haven't felt in a really, really long time,

(45:54):
and I love it.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Chris, let's go back to this and listen. I want
to be clear here right in no means am I
saying any of this to disparage the efforts of you,
your teammates and those that came before. Right, But the
reality is, as you know, it's beyond you know, the
wildest dreams of anybody, really that here is where Indiana

(46:15):
is until last year, with what they did a year ago,
because obviously that the groundwork was laid. But when you
were a player at Indiana, and I know that you
guys believe you know, I get it, and you had
good coaches and all of that, But was there ever
a time where you almost felt like, yeah, I mean,
I guess in the end, we are not the Michigan's,
We're not the Ohio States. You know how much did

(46:37):
like just branding or perception become one of the challenges
that you faced as a player. If that makes sense.

Speaker 11 (46:44):
Yeah, it does, And I think that's it was a
huge factor in for us mentally because we I think
when you know when you're getting recruited, no matter if
it was in the seventies, eighties, nineties, two thousands, and
you're getting recruited to a Big ten school, whether it's Minnesota, Indiana,

(47:05):
Ohio State, Michigan, or Penn State, you feel like, if
you can play in that conference, you can play with anybody,
you can beat anybody. But at the end of the day,
we would still play at a place like you know,
in Columbus, or play at a place like Happy Valley
or at Michigan. And while back in the nineties, we
would compete for a half, or we would compete for

(47:28):
three and a half quarters, and then inevitably we would
do something to lose the game, whether it would be
turned the ball over or it would be a big
give up a big play, or a kickoff return or
a punt return for a touchdown, and the game would
just flip and then all the momentum would be lost.
And I think a perfect example kind of in that

(47:49):
regard for us in the nineties was when we played
Wisconsin this year and we were only up ten to
seven a half, and everyone was frustrated and like, what
is wrong with this team?

Speaker 3 (47:59):
We are not? You know, it was just and I
was at the game, and I'm.

Speaker 8 (48:02):
Just like you like this, you Wisconsin used to be us.
We used to be the ones that were battling a
top fifteen Wisconsin team or a top ten Ohio fIF team,
and we would be caught at half or would be,
you know, down three points in the third quarter.

Speaker 11 (48:20):
And we would have and then we would have the
Ohio State Michigan would then take over and beat us
by three or four scores like we did against Wisconsin,
if I'm making sense. And so it's just it's crazy
to see the shoe on our foot, to see to
watch us play a game like we did against Wisconsin,
be down ten to seven, everybody get frustrated and then

(48:44):
us turn it on and win that game, because that
was us the nineties. You know, we were Wisconsin in
the nineties and we would battle for three quarters and
then inevitably lose the game.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
I think a lot of it.

Speaker 11 (48:56):
Has to do with the tradition, the expectation, all of that.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
That why we lose the games then back then, and
now we are We've just totally flipped the script.

Speaker 11 (49:09):
And it's just it's been incredible to see and I
can't believe it continues to happen.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
I think Chris, one of the things Chris Ditto's my
guest Java House Peel Andport guest line, the former Indiana quarterback.
One of the things to me that has been the
most remarkable about this is a lot of what you're
talking about. I have always felt, you know, the three
quarter compete, right is is depth. I mean Ohio State
or Michigan. You know, they're rotating subliminally, they're rotating guys

(49:37):
in every third play in quarter one or three that
are also you know, you went from a five star
to a four and three quarter star guy, right and
in Indiana you didn't have the luxury of that depth.
And I still don't know that Kurt Signettes's group now
has the luxury of that depth. But what they have
is this incredible ability to almost know the offense or

(50:01):
the game plan or the scheme of the opponent more
so than the opponent does. The level of coaching and
finite fine too, like comb of every aspect of every
angle of the field with this group, to me has
been the most you know, just amazing thing to watch.
What has been your observation in that regard.

Speaker 11 (50:24):
I totally agree, and I think when you watch, you know,
who was it that we played earlier this year. I
think it was UCLA and they ran a fake punt
against our defense, and if you watched how we executed
that play defensively, they I think it was like a

(50:46):
reverse fake punt reverse and we had a guy in
every single position that needed to be where they needed
to be defended in the right place at the right time.
Shut that play down like we knew it was coming.
And to your point, Coach Signetti, coach, you know, defensive coach, change,

(51:07):
coach man, they do such a great job of preparation
or film study that we are prepared as well as
all of these teams, you know, coach Ryan Day. Obviously
he's got incredible talent on his team, but he also
prepares his team, and we I feel like, for the
first time in a long time, we've got a coach

(51:27):
and a coaching staff that prepares our team as well.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
It's not better for each.

Speaker 11 (51:33):
In every situation that they might run into in the
case in the course of the four quarters of the
football game. And that's why we're not you know, that's
why we are not only you know, being we're in
these games, but we are we believe that can we
we can win these games like the Oregon game, unbelievable
to you know, the the adversity that Fernada Mendoza faced

(51:56):
when he threw that pick six. What happens, nothing, They
don't blink. They come back and they go, they go,
and they drive right down the field and get the
game winning touchdown. I mean, the Penn State game. We
can go on and on about the adversity that they
faced in that situation. Down you know, four points with
less than two minutes to play, they get sacked and

(52:16):
then they don't blink and they Yeah, that's that is
absolute preparation.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
It's coaching. And you know, the other thing in this
era of college football.

Speaker 11 (52:28):
You know, we have guys on our team that are
from all over the country. They're from you know, it's
been well documented how many of our guys are from
Power five Power five teams, or they were two stars,
three stars, or zero stars. But I think they've all
come from winning programs. Wherever they've been, they've won at
those smaller programs and they've come and Kurt Signetti obviously

(52:51):
brought an incredible winning mentality. Aiden Fisher, who I think
is going to go down as an all time legendary
in the Hoosier for what he's done in two short
years in the the amount of respect I feel like,
you know, the amount of respects he's given to Indiana football.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Where he's come in and he's not he's just he's
come in.

Speaker 11 (53:11):
He's like we wanted James Madison, I'm proud to be
a Hoosier.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
I am now a Hoosier. We're going to win here.

Speaker 11 (53:16):
Is just as a former player, many former players that
we've talked to it it's just incredible to see a
guy with that mental fortitude and that winning attitude to
represent our university, our team and leading them to this
game tomorrow night. That's just going to be such an
incredible experience for Hongers everywhere.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
How many how closely Chris did O, my guests Jaba
House Peel and poor guest line. Chris as a former player,
and obviously I know, you know from a business standpoint,
I'm in your PR agency, You're very involved here within
Indianapolis invisible, But how much have you been around Kurt
Signetti's program just in terms of and I don't know.
I mean, I know you go to games, but have
you gone down to practices or just seen kind of

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the behind the scenes that that the rest of us
would not have privy too, you.

Speaker 11 (54:03):
Know, to be honest with you, it's it's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
They don't open up much of anything. I've been to
a few events.

Speaker 11 (54:10):
But as far as practices that those are close, and
it doesn't matter if you're a former.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Player, former coach, they are very It's just not happening.
And at first I was a.

Speaker 11 (54:22):
Little frustrated because every other coach that we've had.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
In the past very welcome, and I'm very welcoming.

Speaker 11 (54:29):
You know, if you want to come to a practice,
you just call the office and they're there. You can
pretty much have free reign. But this is kind of
a mystique of coach Signetti. You know, I've never seen
a practice. I know that none of my teammates have either.
So to answer your question, no, and now I would
love to. I would love to be a fly on

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the wall and watch coach Signetti watch film, which from
what I understand and talking with people, it's that's what
he does, and that's what he does very very well.
And his ability to dissect and retain what he watches
on film of opposing teams to create those game plans
is something to behold. So, you know, unfortunately I've not

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been I have met coach Signetti and it was about
a five minute conversation because he really he's all business,
he's all football's. He was friendly, but he's just on
to the next thing. He's worried about how can we
make this program better.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
There's no bs.

Speaker 11 (55:29):
Involved, which at first I was a little frustrated, to
be honest with you, But we're twenty three and two,
so let the man do whatever he wants to do.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
What is the game plan for Chris Dido and like
some of your former teammates tomorrow night.

Speaker 11 (55:44):
Yeah, so we're we're gonna get We're talked about doing
a doubleheader of going We're not gonna go to the
basketball game. That would my head might explode. So we're
gonna get together about four downtown. Got a buddy who
owns a business down there, So we're not going to
try and go to the bars. I think that's just
gonna be an absolute mad house of a scene. So
we're gonna go to a buddy's got a business right

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across the street from Lucas Oil. We're gonna tailgate bear
kind of indoor and outdoor watch the Alabama and Georgia game,
and then probably going to the stadium around seven. And
witnessed something that I think we all never thought we
would and that's Indiana in a Big Ten championship game.
And while you know it's kind of the appetizer's Christmas

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Eve or it's something that we that we know we've
got bigger and better things on the horizon. I just
I still think Tomorrow night is critical for us to compete,
to stay in the game, to win the game, and
I think we can because winning a Big Ten championship
would be I mean, that would be an opportunity to

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go play in the Rose Bowl. You know, we're talking
about things that haven't happened since nineteen sixty seven. So
tomorrow night is a huge game for us, even though
we know there's a four four game tournament that we
had we will play in in two weeks or you know,
January first, and but it's it's going.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
I'm gonna. I know I made I might.

Speaker 11 (57:12):
Shed a tier when I finally I saw your tweet
and I saw the picture.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
With the name with Indiana and the end zone.

Speaker 11 (57:17):
It gives me chills thinking about it, and I know
myself and all former players and we're just we're beyond
excited to be able to witness this and for it
to be in our backyard and Indianapolis is also an
absolute bonus. And the one person that I keep thinking
of that I'm probably the most excited for it. I

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know many people are as Don Fisher, and we all
know the fifty years of football that he's witnessed and
for him and Buck Sewart Hardner, you know, he was
our coach down there as well.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I'm just so happy for.

Speaker 11 (57:50):
Him because I don't think there's anybody that's gone through
more of Indiana football, the ups and downs, so I
can't wait to hear his call because he such a
pro and he's agend Indiana legend as we all know,
so I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
I'm assuming you'll be at the game as well.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
You know what. So here's the thing. I was going
to go, and then at the last kind of I
shouldn't say that I was. I was extended the opportunity
from somebody that was going to get a suite, and
then the prices just went bonkers, so they said, you
know what, I'm not getting a sweet after all. So
I'm just going to go down and soak in the
atmosphere instead of going to the game. We're going to
go down. We're going to try to find a bar

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restaurant downtown and just soak it in. I mean, it's
going to be it's going to be a madhouse, right.
But there is part of me, Chris, that I want
to be able to look. I want to see them win,
and I want to see Indiana win as much for
as you know, everybody we're talking about, as well as
Terry Hepner and Bill Mallory and all of it, right,
I want to see that as much as But but

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then there's part of me also that more so, I
just want to see Ohio State lose. You know, I
think that that you know what I mean, that's that's
a factor too, But but just the the overall energy.
I want to be able to soak in all of
it because I just never thought we'd see it in
terms of all the energy downtown. I love downtown any
this time of year anyway. But so no, I'm not

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going to actually be in in the stadium, but either way,
it's gonna be coo, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Yeah, great, I mean, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
I listen, I never thought i'd see it. And I
know I'm going to end with one other thing, and
I wanted you to kind of piggyback up this. I
don't know if you remember me asking you this, but
I thought it was a telling comment. I asked you
one of the times this year when we were talking,
if this is the first time in a long time

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that when you sit down on an airplane or when
you're at a you know, at a restaurant in Georgia
on a business trip or whatever, and some and you
say like, oh, yeah, you know, I was a college
football player, you know, was there ever like a hesitation
in saying for Indiana as opposed to now the pride
that it gives you, rightly so to be able to

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say you're a part of Indiana football, and just that overall,
I guess the push out of the chest that has
now allowed for all of us, but notably for you.
What does it mean for the football fraternity of Indiana
University and the alumni.

Speaker 11 (01:00:18):
Well, Jake, you're gonna you're gonna make me tear up, honestly,
because it means just go back and you think about
what all that we the work we put into It
was immense that we that every college football player, any
college athlete, puts into playing a sport in the Big Ten.

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You know, there's there's a lot more losing than there
is winning, especially what we experienced, but you still always
had that hope at the beginning of every season that
this is our year, and it never was and now
that it is our year and it has been for
couple and to see the transformation of Memorial Stadium to

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thirty five thousand to now fifty five thousand, it's just
a such a gratifying feeling of pride to watch it,
and not only that, to watch a team that is
so proud to represent Indiana football and to represent in

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a way that they feel like we're here to stay
and this is something that can continue and last for
the next ten to twenty thirty years because of the
culture that they have built and all of these guys
that have come in and they have never blinked, and
all of these guys have you know, I feel like

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I've never felt before where guys on this team embrace
players from every era and they want us to be
a part of it, even though we even though we
haven't necessarily been around the team, it's still it feels
like we are a part of this team and if
that and so that's about as good as it gets

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for me, and I know for the rest of the
guys that played there to be able to say, hey,
we're going to play Ohio State tomorrow night and we
feel like we have as good a chance to win
as they do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
What more can you ask.

Speaker 11 (01:02:26):
For as a as a former player that that we
all put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into
that program and now to watch a team that's that's
actually getting it done.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Maybe you know, it.

Speaker 11 (01:02:39):
Keeps me up at night because I'm so excited, so tonight.
It's gonna be a it's going to be a long night,
and I just can't wait for tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Well, I can tell you three forty eight in the morning.
If you're staring at the ceiling and you can't, just
shoot me a text, I'm up. Yeah, we'll go to
drive around.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
I will, man, I will.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
All right, Chris, I appreciate it, man, enjoy it and
soak it all in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
All right, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 11 (01:03:02):
Hopefully we're talking in a couple of weeks and we're
either in Pasadena or Miami or somewhere fun.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Well, there'll definitely be somewhere warm. There's no doubt about that.
Chris did. Joining me, Java House, Peel and poor guest
line tomorrow night. Indiana and Ohio State for the Big
Ten title. Great call there, by the way, on in
terms of like when you start thinking about people that
you want it for, and Don Fisher absolutely you know
the number of games that he's called, and you just
think about all the trips back from you know, rainy, dreary,

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late November games in December where Indiana just you know,
just been pounded down five scores in the third quarter
and you got to carry through that broadcast. Terry Hupner
is one that you know, I remember when I was
working at Channel six and I was at the you know,

(01:03:50):
I was basically the entry level sports guy at Channel
six at that time. But and then it got to
the point, you know, it was Dave first and I
were working there. I remember one Saturday and Terry Hepner
had just taken the job. Ben Roethlisberger was either a
rookie or in his second year with the Steelers and
had played for Terry Hepner at Miami of Ohio, and

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Indiana got out to like a two and o start
or whatever it might, you know, as they typically Indiana
would do that, right, they'd beat a you know, a
smaller school or a D two school or an you
know one double A I guess I should say school
or whatever it might be, and get out to a
two and oh start, and then maybe beat a lower
tier Division I school and maybe go three and oh

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and you get kind of excited and then you know,
kind of reality would kick in. But they had gotten
out to a two and oh or three and maybe
at one and oh, I don't remember what it was,
but none of us really knew Terry Hepner, and I'm
working at Channel six and it was a Saturday, and
back then we used to do Saturday Sports Extra and
Sunday Sports Extra. We did a forty minute sport This

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shows you how different television is now than it used
to be. But we did a forty minute sports show
on Saturday and Sunday evening from eleven twenty until twelve o'clock.
And so Indiana was had a game, and it's like
five thirty and like okay, you know, and now we're
slamming putting together Sports Extra and the phone rings in

(01:05:14):
the Channel six Sports office and it's Terry Heppner. It's like,
hey guys, it's coach hep I'm going to drive up
to Indian go around to the TV stations. Didn't know
if you wanted to do a quick interview, and we're like,
are you kidding me? I mean, of course, so, and
he had gone I think he'd been to eight, he'd
been to thirteen and fifty nine whatever. But he came

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in and so we recorded like a you know, Dave
did it obviously like a fifteen minute sitting down talking
about Roethlisberger and what he had envisioned for IU and
the guy. You would have thought that Dave and I
had played for him, You would have thought that we
were dating his daughter. He could not have been a
nicer guy, with a more clear vision of what he

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hoped for Indiana. And when he when he left, I
remember thinking, that guy really really likes us. Well, that
was just the magic of who Terry Hepner was. I
didn't know him at all, and he didn't know me,
but he had this charming charisma and belief and confidence

(01:06:21):
about who he was and what he wanted to do.
And I truly do and I've always felt like the
trajectory that Terry Heppner had Indiana going towards in the
very brief time that he was able to put his
fingerprints on Indiana football before he got ill and had
the brain tumor. And then Bill Lynch took over, and

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Bill Lynchu was also a great guy. But the groundwork
that Terry Hepner had laid, you know, the rock and
the different things which I kind of giggled at at
the time and found them gimmicky, but that belief, that
confidence was emiler also to what Kurt Signetti had when
he came in and Kurt Signetti gets all of the

(01:07:03):
credit in the world. But when Ditto brought up those names,
those are the guys and the people that you think
about and the people that you say, this is why
it's so special. And I understand part of the rivalry
of it, and rivalry is the wrong word, but part
of the storyline of it is that Ohio State, understandably

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and rightly so has every reason to snicker at it
and go, yeah, I mean, Indiana's like the little the
annoying little brother next door that suddenly finds himself at
the big table and now they're trying to fling mashed potatoes.
I get it, I totally get it. But I also
think that Ohio State, Vans, or anybody Michigan Fans, Minnesota, Purdue,
whatever it might be, you just have to look at

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the history of this program and the quality of people
that have waited through that and waited through that to
get to this point to understand the weight of the moment,
and that's why it is so special. And that's why
today we say, you know what, We'll give it its due,

(01:08:05):
We'll give it its time. But that's not to say
the Colts don't have a big one lined up? Are
we taking a road trip today, Eddie? Is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
We are?

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Indeed? Where are we headed down to Jacksonville?

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
And we're going there? When now, grab your peanuts or
your little Biscoff cookie. We're gonna take a flight down
to Jacksonville. JP Shadwick joining us from the Jags.

Speaker 6 (01:08:26):
Next.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
One of my complaints that I have, and this is
how you know I'm getting older. I mentioned that the
box scores at ESPN dot com for basketball now they're
putting like the the points column on the far left
where it used to be like minutes and then points
were on the far right. So you look at it
and you're like, oh my gosh, holy cow. Like khalil

(01:08:51):
Ware had thirty two last night and they're like, oh no,
that's minutes. And I've seen lately the way they do
a schedule where it has the most recent at the top.
Shouldn't it be that the like if the schedule is
listed top to bottom, shouldn't the most recently at the bottom,
Like it shouldn't it go as you go downward?

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Sorry, Jake, I wasn't paying attention. Okay, well that's a shock.
I was talking to JP.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Either way, I believe that it's confirmed that the Jaguars,
no matter which way I'm looking at it, have won
three in a row. And they kind of quietly, and
I mean that as no disrespect to them, have put
themselves right in the thick of this chase as Indianapolis
is starting to backpedal a little bit. Big challenge for
the Colts in a place that has been difficult for
them this Sunday in Jacksonville joining us now in the

(01:09:37):
Java House. Peel and poor guest line. He is a
friend of the program. I thoroughly enjoyed, and I don't
remember if we have had him on since this time,
So JP. If I am repeating myself with this, I apologize,
but I thoroughly enjoyed. At the end of the IndyCar season,
driving back from Nashville, listening to I believe it was

(01:09:59):
the Notre Dame Miami game on the radio and you
were doing the national call. Correct.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
Yeah, that's that's right. That was the Week one. It
was like the last week of August. Yeah, and yeah,
it turned out to be a pretty good game. Miami
got the field goal late. We'll see if it matters
now when the playoff rankings come out, next week.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
But you know, all the.

Speaker 6 (01:10:15):
Miami people think that that should matter, and I kind
of I tend to agree with him, but I appreciate
you listening.

Speaker 10 (01:10:21):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Thank no, I listened, I literally because I was driving
from Nashville. I listened to the entire broadcast. Great call,
it was, it was. It was a great game. To
your point, right, no question about that. All right, let's
get to this one coming up on Sunday. We know
the Colt standpoint. From a health factor, Sauce Gardner is
the one guy that did not practice this week. That
will not change what about Jacksonville in terms of their health.

(01:10:44):
There are question marks, correct.

Speaker 6 (01:10:47):
He has a handful. They've had some offensive line question
marks the last few weeks. The left tackle Walker Little
is in concussion protocol, so cold and Lantin is likely
slated to start there, and it would be his fourth
positions starting on the offensive line this year. I think
he'd be the ninth player in the last twenty years
in the NFL to start at four different positions in

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one season, which is pretty remarkable to see. So there's
some questions there defensive line as well. Trevon Walker with
a knee issue. He's been out on the practice field
this week though, and I think it's probably trending the
right way for him. Eric Armstead, with a hand injury,
has been practicing in the club. He nearly played last
week but last second just couldn't go. So those are

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some of the guys in the trenches and then in
the secondary. I think the Jags are expected to get
Eric Murray back at safety, which would be big for them,
veteran guy who's been around for a long time and
kind of settles things down on the back end.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Okay, Jags have won four or five now. Part of that, admittedly,
and I mean this is no disrespect to them. Part
of it may be a schedule because you got the
Raiders in there, you got the Cardinals and Titans. But
you know, playing close with Houston and then handling the Chargers. Clearly,
this is a team that have started to figure some
things out. What has been different in the last month.

Speaker 6 (01:12:03):
For them, Yeah, I mean they're they're figuring out a
way to finish some close ball games, right. They didn't
do that last year, new regime and everything. This year, clearly,
the Houston game was a debacle.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
I mean that they were up by.

Speaker 6 (01:12:15):
Three scores, in the fourth quarter and blew the game.
I mean, they just didn't finish the game. So I
think that woke them up a little bit and said, hey, guys,
we we could not have that kype of performance in
the fourth quarter again, especially against the backup quarterback for Houston.
Strad wasn't out there. So they come back after the
next week and take the Chargers out and that was

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the best complete game of the season. I know they've
had some close ones, but I don't even look at,
you know, the Cardinals game or the Raiders game is
I mean, those were really tight games, but you still
got to go find a way to win them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
And they may not be.

Speaker 6 (01:12:52):
You know, an elite team yet, but they're finding ways
to win and that's what comes out of these games.
And they're they're playing really well against the run on defense.
That's number one. They want to be physical in the
offensive line and run the ball. He didn't do it
last week against Tennessee, but they didn't have to because
Tennessee stinks. So they're finding ways to win and they're

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in first place.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Okay, So Trevor Lawrence, we've talked so much about this,
I know, right, and when I look at Trevor Lawrence
each time that I start to think he's got it
figured out, then all of a sudden, there's like a
slight regression there. So JP, my question is in the
passing game, Brian Thomas Junior is pretty special talent. Are

(01:13:35):
they going long form passing game or is Trevor Lawrence
becoming more of a short yardage I hate to use
the term dank and dunk type quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:13:44):
Well, I mean, let's begin a few weeks ago when yeah,
he was really having some issues down the field or
letting it fly or has it or whatever. He was
hanging on to it or dumping it down to the
running back, and he had a conversation with Liam Cohen
and the coach shared it with the media. It is like, hey,
we just let it rip, like we don't mind if

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you get an extra interception or so a game you
don't want it, but hey, you know, if if you
complete free more down the field than you are right now, okay,
we'll take one. You're being aggressive, somebody makes a play
on it on the back end. Just let it loose, man,
let it fly, Like that's the way you play the
best when you're free and don't have to worry about anything. Take,

(01:14:28):
for example, the playoff game a couple of years ago.
I get the charges he had thrown four picks in
the first half. There's nothing to lose then, so he's
just letting it rip down the field and they find
their way back into the game and win the thing.
So that's that is kind of changed. I think his
mentality the last couple weeks where he's been pretty comfortable
in the pocket, especially against Tennessee last week, and made

(01:14:51):
some pretty strong throws down field. But you're gonna have
some missus and there's gonna be some picks. It is
the full Trevor Lawrence experience. This is what it is.
You know this, but you've got to be able to
live with it and have all the other parts of
your team do their job as well, defense and some
special team scores like they've had.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Is there still more there for him? I'm talking about
Trevor Lawrence in terms of who he can become or
are we at the point now in a guy's career
where not saying he's a bad quarterback, but where you
have a pretty good idea he is who he is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:15:26):
I think there's still a little more to come just
because it is the back end of his first season
in this scheme.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
He seems to have it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:32):
Down pretty well. And you know, the middle of the season,
they were trying to figure out how to streamline the
pre snap process because these play calls are pretty long
and they're in depth, and if you miss something then
you got to resay the whole thing again in the huddle,
and they were getting to the line late and that

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was causing panic and pre snap motion penalty. All these
things are going on. So since then he's gone to
a wristbands which has helped streamline the free snap process,
which I think calms his mind a little bit. And
credit him for asking for it, and credit the staff
for not, you know, for budging and allowing him to
do a lot of staffs and be like, what are

(01:16:13):
you talking about, like learning offense, But this is to
help him and his process pre snap. I think that
helps him moving ahead once the snap is there once
a year over the ball, I think that would help
them moving ahead. So there's more out there. We'll see
what happens. If Brian Thomas can catch the football down
the stretch, you know, that would help. And he's been
out for a couple of weeks with an ankle injury,

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came back last week. They need that deep threat down
the field. They haven't really had that consistently this season
because they got everything else. As you talked about, all
the underneath stuff is there is the Kobe Myers and
the tight ends strange, but to have something over the
top would be a huge, huge boon for this team.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
JP. Are you a married fella?

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:16:55):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Okay? Well, because I was going to use the analogy
or a set the scene of like you wake up
in the morning and your wife says, you know you
look tired. No, no, no, So let's just say you go
to work and somebody's like, dude, you look tired, and
you say, you know what I am? Because I was
up all night trying to figure out the one area
for the Jags that I just can't get a hold

(01:17:17):
on who they are and what they are. What has
been the most consistent thing of that storyline that it
would be for you over the course of this year.

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
Yeah, somebody tells me I'm tired, I just tell them
that I'm sick and tired of their crap, you know, like,
like mind your own.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Business, like me right there? A matter of fact, we're
gonna do this again. I'm gonna ask if you're a
married fella, and I want you to answer it exactly
like that. JPU, you a married fella?

Speaker 6 (01:17:42):
Yeah, mind your own business about that, perfect I think
I think I know what you mean. This is what's
your identity, right, like?

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
What are they correct or what's the area where they're
not and you feel they should be.

Speaker 6 (01:17:57):
Yeah. I think the defenses really started to show that
they are a really good run stuffing defense. We'll find
out on Sunday. Clearly against Jonathan Taylor. They have not
allowed a rusher this year to run for seventy or
more yards than a game a single running back on them,
So that's that doesn't happen too often in full seasons.

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They got a few games to go if they can
kind of make some history. But this is a tough
test this week. But they feel like they're stout there
and they're a pretty good takeaway team early in the season.
They've got to get back to that on defense. On offense,
that's a great question. I think they want to be
the physical group that runs the ball first and then
throws off that in short down in distance on second

(01:18:38):
and third, that's their old goal. It's not you know,
putting four wide and throwing it all over the yard.
We've seen that with Trevor Lawrence. You don't want I
don't think you want him throwing it forty five times
a game. You know, twenty eight is fine and run
the ball, and that's that's what they're best at, I
think right now. And what they're not best at is
spreading it out and throwing it around down a game.

(01:19:01):
You know it's going to be tough because there is
some inconsistency in the passing game and they've had some
drops this year, and that's just kind of what it
is here.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Okay, Lastly, I would be remiss if I didn't ask
because I know that you obviously, as I mentioned off
the top, you know you've you got some knowledge of
college football as well. I'm going to give you two games.
I want you to quickly handicap it and give me
your prediction. Georgia Alabama.

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
Well, Alabama cannot run. They did actually run one of
their higher marks last week in Auburn, but it's not
consistent in the season. If they getting the head of
the quarterback, I think Kirby smart and that defense will
have a chance to do that for the second time.
They didn't do it last time in the regular season.
I think Georgia gets this football game.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Okay, Indiana Ohio State, who.

Speaker 6 (01:19:48):
Boy in Ohio. Shake's good quarterbacks, good block severs, really good.
The defensive back is fantastic. They've got pieces and parts
and they know how to win games like this. And
Indiana has not been here yet, so this is their
first time really in the in the dance like this.
I think Ohio State wins just because of that experience.

(01:20:10):
But I think it's a closer game than a lot
of people might think.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Yeah, I'd ask you b Yu Texas Tech, but then
you'll tell me to mind my own business.

Speaker 6 (01:20:16):
Right, that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Who out is that?

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
That's that is? There is some truth to that, right.
You gotta feel bad. I mean Texas Tech is apparently
like really good dude. I'll be honest with you, I've
seen none of them this year, right, It's kind of
true to b YU as well.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
Actually had b YU on the other night just for
the first time in like Texas Tech.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
The same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:20:37):
Either I'm doing a game, I'm busy and they're not
on or what you know, so I've missed them, so
I have no comment on that game my business.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Right, yeah, all right, jpre appreciate. What's the weather going
to be down there? I had assume typical, what's sixty five?

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Good? Well, it's going to rain.

Speaker 6 (01:20:54):
I think there's rain in the forecast, so and like
one hundred percent chance of rain and most of the
day so yes, but temperatures will be in probably mid sixties.
But it's supposed to be wet, so the JAG's been
working with a wet ball all week long. And we'll see,
if you know, what kind of offense each side can
have in the in the swamp here. We'll see what happens.

(01:21:17):
But I think there's gonna be a lot of a
lot of rain, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Always a pleasure, man. We'll talk to you probably after
the holidays, because of course Jacksonville comes back up here
right after Christmas. And look forward to talking to you again.

Speaker 6 (01:21:27):
And single ladies of Indianapolis please reach out. That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Well you will not tell them to mind their own business.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
I know you're always welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
That's right. JP. Appreciate it, man, be good to see
you guys. Man, that's our buddy. From Jaguars dot Com.
By the way, JP Shadwick down in Jacksonville, really really good, dude.
Obviously goes without saying, and that's interesting about the fact
it's going to rain. One of the factors that we
will look into that we will talk and get an
idea better idea in terms of the health standpoint. The

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last piece of that, if you will, from Kevin, because
Kevin bowen't going to join us. Just about twelve minutes
from now, you know, there were it was last weekend.
I thought for a late no, was it last weekend
or two weeks ago when I looked at the slate
of college football games and I'm like, man, for November,
this is like a really week week I guess it

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was two weeks ago. Everybody was stepping out of conference.
It was just there are no good games.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Yeah, Thanksgiving break, no students would be in attendance.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
Yeah, I mean, b why again, it's obviously a championship
day tomorrow, and it's you know, it goes without saying. Alabama,
Georgia will be fabulous, Ohio State, Indiana's can be great,
Texas Tech and BYU may be a really good game.
I feel bad because they're up against Alabama Georgia now
NFL slaty games, Eddie.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
I'll be interested, Jake to see if like Notre Dame
fans are more tuned into that game that you just mentioned,
the Big East game, because it's kind of more implications
for them than the Alabama Georgia game in my opinion,
because as we highlighted on was that Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Because day BYU Tech Tech is Big twelve, That's what.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
I meant, Yeah, BYU Texas Tech. Yeah, because BYU wins,
that would you know, theoretically bump Notre Dame out of
the field because they would now jump Notre Dame and
get into the CFA.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
It is so hard to think of Notre Dame not
being in. But let me give you our jailhouse game.
Okay for the NFL. Now for those new to the program.
If you've been, thank you, Eddie, but we thank you
for being a part of it now. Si you like
how I've adapted and add that ins we're welcoming, not
just ridiculing hospitality, that's right. Yeah, So if you are

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new to the program, we call it the jailhouse game.
That means if you were like a prison in give
me a state that does not have a professional sports team.
That's just kind of a state you hardly ever talk
about Idaho.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Idaho.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
So if you are in the Idaho State Prison of
Pocatella and they're like, good news, guys, Sunday everybody was
on the good behavior. We're gonna let you watch NFL game.
What's the game that everybody's excited? And then they go
in and they're like, oh, they gave us this game
because it's not airing anywhere else. Nobody else cares. Which
of these is the jailhouse game? You ready, I know

(01:24:12):
the I already got my answer locked in. But see, automatically,
automatically you say to yourself anything involving Tennessee or New
Orleans because they're terrible, right, it's not that, okay, Seattle
at Atlanta. Let me give you all the games, and
then you tell me the one that is just theough matchup.
Seattle at Atlanta, Cincinnati at Buffalo, Tennessee at Cleveland that

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is a high contender. Washington at Minnesota, Miami at the Jets,
New Orleans at Tampa, the Colts at Jaggs, Pittsburgh at Baltimore,
Denver at the Raiders, Chicago at Green Bay Rams at Cardinals,
Texans at Chiefs, Eagles at Chargers. I'm going to guess

(01:24:59):
Eddie that you are under the belief that the jailhouse game,
it's one of two. If you don't believe that, you're
saying it doesn't involve Tennessee or New Orleans. Correct, Well,
I can go that route, but you had a different
one in mind. Correct, that's not one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Of those young Okay, but I think the easy one
there that you mentioned is the high contender at Cleveland
and Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
It's pretty bad. Yeah, I'm going to say that you
are going with Miami and the Jets'. Correct, Yeah, that's
hard to argue. The other one that is two teams
that just are kind of mystifying is Washington at Minnesota
because I still think Washington is decent, but they're not.
They're terrible. And I know that Jayden Daniels has been

(01:25:42):
hurt but he's back, but I know, but I mean,
like it's just they can't get anything going. And then Minnesota,
I mean, Minnesota, come on, man, come on nine. JJ McCarthy.
This is a frame franchise that let in the last
two years, three years bypassed, and I'm not saying any

(01:26:06):
of these guys are the next Joe Montana. But between
Kirk Cousins, Sam Darnold, and Daniel Jones, you had all
of them in house and went with JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
I look pretty smart on letting kirk Cousins go agreed,
except after the Achilles terror, Except for.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
The JJ McCarthy. I mean, listen, I've got I've got
Justin Jefferson on my fantasy team. I say that not
because anybody cares about your fantasy team, but because he
is an elite talent and has done nothing this year,
because he has no one throwing Uncle Rico's throwing him
the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
You know, the Indiana and Ohio State of the Krane
Company Fantasy League or meeting right now in Ohio state
got three touchdowns from Jamior Gibbs last night.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Do you have Jamiir Gibbs. I know, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Indiana on this Indiana in this scenario, I got twenty
four or whatever it was from? Uh you know my kicker?

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Oh did you?

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Kevin Bowen going to join a couple of minutes, I
let off the show by saying this, I love everything
about this city, this state, the people, of it and
the events that we have, and nobody puts on big
events better than Indianapolis, nobody. And I've seen that evolution
that I've talked about of it. I mean, I've seen,

(01:27:19):
you know, I remember when the Indianapolis five hundred was
the signature event of this town. It still is, obviously
and the single day, the largest single day spectator sport
in the world. But there was a time where as
Kurt Vonnegut once said, the city of Indianapolis was the
Indianapolis five hundred one day of the year and miniature
golf the other three hundred and sixty four. But then

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we began to flex our muscles a little bit. The
nineteen eighty Final Four, the eighty two National Sports Festival,
the eighty seven Pan Am Games, and every team in
this market, virtually every team at some point has had
their turn at the play, their seat at the table.

(01:28:02):
The Colts were in relative anonymity, and then all of
a sudden they break through in the mid nineties with
the Letter Rip team and then into Peyton Manning and
you know what happens from there. They ultimately win and
bring a Lombardi back to Indianapolis and the city of
Indianapolis hosts the Super Bowl. The Pacers same thing relative
anonymity wants transferring into the NBA and then Hicks versus

(01:28:25):
Nixon onward and most recently a half away from an
NBA title. Indiana basketball goes without saying three titles under
Bob Knight Branch McCracken before that, and one of the
signature programs of this state. Indiana soccer as well women's
basketball now has put themselves in position elite. Eight performances
Perdue football. I've seen Drew Brees take his team to

(01:28:48):
the Rose Bowl. I've seen Mark Herman be the most
valuable player of three different Bowl games in three consecutive years.
You know, I know about what Jim Everett and some
of the different you know, the cradle of quarterbacks of
Purdue football, Perdue basketball. When they went to the National
championship game with Zach Edie, you know, we spent a
show celebrating and letting Purdue fans push out their chest.

(01:29:11):
Nore Dame football, even though not in the market, it's
within the state and an elite, top level program for
football with National Championship contention, Heisman Trophy winners galore. Butler
has been to a Final Four right here in Indianapolis,
and we become accustomed to hosting the Final Four in Indianapolis.
And Gordon Hayward and the shot that nearly made it

(01:29:32):
in the Cinderella Story, and Brad Stevens and all of it.
Perdue Basketball wins a national championship. Damon Bailey has the
Indiana High School Basketball Tournament getting moved to the RCA Dome,
and ESPN picks it up. Everything in this town, in
this market, at some point has had their turn in
the spotlight. The dancing spotlights across the skies of Indianapolis

(01:29:54):
have at some point epicenter on nearly every team except
for Indiana football, which going into this season still held
the record for most losses in Division One. And they
had moments. I talked about Terry Hefner and his vision
in his belief and the tragedy that took place there
Bill Mallory, who was a darn good football coach, and

(01:30:14):
they went into Michigan State and had a chance to
win a Big Ten title and Pete Steyanovich it's a
field goal and the Michigan State goes nuts and wins
the game and goes on Indiana had their moments, their
fleeting moments, but we all knew deep down it was
Indiana football. And now it is the time for you
IU fans to push out your chest collectively, come together
enjoy the game with Louisville and basketball, which whoever would

(01:30:36):
have thought it was the precursor, the appetizer towards the
Indiana football program taking on Ohio State one versus two
Big Ten title on the line in a game which
is essentially meaningless except for that it's not. And I
understand for Ohio State fans why they can snicker at
Indiana for getting excited just to see their name in

(01:30:57):
the end zone. But it's what it represents because for
so so many people that have watched so many teams
and so many franchises and so many moments in the
history of this market, the one thing they never thought
they would see is Indiana football in the national spotlight.
And here it is. And I say, soak it all in,
soak it all in. Why not Indiana, Let's go. The

(01:31:20):
Colts are obviously in action today as well, and or
this weekend as well, and they are at a spot
that has been a nightmare for them in Jacksonville and
the Jags putting it together a little bit here. Kevin
Bowen joining me now, Java House Peel and poor guest Line.
He has been out at the Colts complex over the
majority of the week for each and every session the
Colts have had. So Kevin will begin with this from

(01:31:42):
a health standpoint other than Sauce Gardner, which is a
big one. I realize it looks like things are starting
to show to the right direction health wise for the Colts.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Agree.

Speaker 12 (01:31:53):
Yeah, obviously have the guys on injured reserve. Those would
be Forrest Buckner and Ashton Do and everybody else healthy.
Fifty two out of fifty three guys good to go
obviously the one is Sausage Gardner. Like you said, so yeah,
look to be really really healthy. Could get Jalen Carlis
back potentially. He was a starter for this team at
linebacker for a chunk o last season. I was viewed

(01:32:15):
as supposed to be a starter this year. He could
make his debut coming up on Sunday. So yeah, I'd say,
you know, all in all, fairly healthy, obviously missing some
key guys. Jacksonville likely misses some key guys as well,
but still for early December, pretty good bill health.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Where would you assess their their quality of play and depth?
I guess I mean we're you know, it's not like
Sus Gardner some staple for them, right, but but we
know that the level of talent there without him there
and Mooney Ward's still trying to kind of find his
way through coming off of the games that he missed
due to the concussion. Where do you assess or put

(01:32:51):
them at the defensive backfield, notably if they would have
to go let's say, into a spot, you know, a
reserve role and get some Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:33:01):
I think it's a question that has a few more
concerns and maybe it did a couple of months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:33:06):
I thought earlier in the year, Ta Various Ward was
really really good, looked like a number one outside corner.
And you know, since the bye week, and you know
he has admitted this or did earlier in the week,
he's just not playing at his normal self. And I
know you've touched on it, and we've touched on in
this man as del it's a ton off the field

(01:33:26):
over the last you know, year plus it was just
to beyond tragic loss of his young daughter and then
suffered you know, a really serious concussion, the first two
or the second of two concussions he's had this year.
And you know, in the two games since his return,
he just he frankly looks a step slow. So you know, again,
where is he at? Where is he at for Sunday?
And then you know, kennymore the second I think he

(01:33:49):
is just he's a great, great NFL story. I think
he has been so darn solid, probably one of the
most solid Colts players in the entire Chris Dollar ten year.
I just feel like lately maybe hasn't been as normal
Kenny sticky, if you will, as we're used to from him.
I don't think it's egregious by any means. And he
plays a position where oftentimes if you see a little

(01:34:12):
bit of slippage, it gets noticed easierly or easy easily.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
Than other positions.

Speaker 12 (01:34:17):
So you know, that would be where of my questions live.
Just okay, you know, do you have two guys that
have Pro Bowl, all Pro passed? Can they get back
to that level without sauce? Probably for another couple.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
Games, Kevin. One of the things, and you tell me
if I'm I know this will stun you. Overthinking this
right with all of the conversation that we've had understandably
so about Daniel Jones and the leg injury, or Sauce
Gardner for that matter, in the calf strain, you know,
and the other things that are going on. Alec Pierce.
You had a you know, a really good column about
Alec Pierce now emerging is basically their their top wide

(01:34:51):
receiver and we know he's in a contract here. Am
I hallucinating here entirely possible? Or have we seen a
little bit of a down tick or regression on the
right side of the offensive line?

Speaker 12 (01:35:06):
No, I think you're No. I think that's a fair
statement to make, you know, when you look at this
season as a whole, I feel like from an offensive
line standpoint, I think the unit's been pretty good. But
I do think that right side, if you're going to
kind of group the five out and then you know,
obviously pick a side, yeah, I would say maybe that's

(01:35:29):
not at the level that you would like. Now again,
having said this, and it's kind of wow to think that,
you know, the Colts didn't allow a sack last week
to that vaunted defensive line, the same defensive line that
sacked Josh Allen eight times. You know, They've won the
turnover margin each of the last two weeks, and Daniel
Jones hobbled, Daniel Jones has been sacked one time, and

(01:35:51):
yet they lost both games. It's it's just weird. It
doesn't really add up. I mean, usually turnover margin is
the number one indicator of a winner or loss. And
then you know when you think, well, they won the
turnover margin, but you know whatever they were sacks signs
like they were in Pittsburgh back or or Atlanta. Uh,
you know, that can be a big indicator of you know,
do you actually win the game or not. Well, again,

(01:36:13):
they getive play wise, they haven't really dealt with many stacks,
so it probably goes to show you the offense has
had some definite issues when you factor all of that in,
and just the inability to move the football and really
finish off anywhere near the rate they were earlier in
the season. But yeah, I mean o line wise, I
think you could say the right side, but you know,
I don't think you made in the run game, honestly,

(01:36:34):
not getting it as going as much as they were
earlier in the year. You could probably say that, But
I think pass protection it's honestly been Okay, considering Jones's
lack of mobility.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
You know, when you look at the lack of mobility,
Kevin Bowen, my guest, Java House Peel and poor guest
line the you know Daniel Jones in the mobility thing now, Kevin,
because and you could see it, right, I mean, you
could see against Kansas City, It's like, man, he just
he was he was pulling in the reins. When normal
he would be able to extend a play by a

(01:37:02):
yard or two or a moment or two or whatever.
It may be right, and maybe it's power of suggestion,
but it looked like he just was so much more
quickly a boarding plays against Houston. Can they come up
with or can Shane Stiken come up with or has
he discussed different score sort of plays they can wrinkle

(01:37:23):
in schematically to take the heat off of his reliance
on having to extend plays.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Yeah, I mean I.

Speaker 12 (01:37:30):
Think you are seeing, you know, maybe Jones a little
bit more quick rhythm with some of his progressions. Not
living there's a line in that, you know, sometimes you're
just forcing it into the first of the second read,
and maybe if you trust it yourself a little bit more,
you could get to that third or four to three,
which could open it up. I guess you're playing with.

Speaker 5 (01:37:46):
A little fire at that point, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:37:48):
I did think, for what it's worth, Jones was moving
a little bit better this week of practice.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
Than he was last week.

Speaker 12 (01:37:55):
I think there is some hope, you know, from the
Colts that you know, maybe here in a couple of
weeks he could get back to, you know, being his self.
Because you know, when you look at it, the Colts
have lost three of four the one win in that stretch.
You could certainly make the argument a major, major reason,
maybe the top reason outside of Johnson Taylor that the
Colts beat the Falcons in Germany was Daniel Jones's ability

(01:38:17):
to extend plays. I mean, he had some huge scrambles
in the game. Obviously, we all, I think remember the
overtime scramble that set up the fourth and two to
Tyler Warren. But you know, even even before that, I
thought he had some other, you know, kind of big
plays in that game that he made with his legs.
So I am curious, like if and when do we

(01:38:38):
start to see a little more of that, you know,
the bootleg stuff, you know, even the QB sneaks stuff,
I mean the third and one to Tyler Warren, and
I'm fine. A lot of people thought it was way
too cute and everything. I think in today's NFL. And
you know, you saw Tyler Warren do that at Penn State.
I didn't have too big of an issue with him
trying to sneak it. But you know, Daniel Jones is
pretty much an automatic in the QBC this season, and

(01:39:01):
I think a big reason why you know they didn't
speak with him was because of his health. So you know, again,
when do you get back to that from him or
you know, when do you feel comfortable with that? So
I think goes through all things that you know, maybe
we don't see all of it on Sunday, but can
you get back there at some point here in December?

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Now, Kevin, I know that you obviously grew up from
a basketball standpoint. Your brother made you a Notre Dame
basketball fan, right, But you went to IU Okay, during
the time what year did you enter IU?

Speaker 12 (01:39:29):
I can't recall two thousand and eight and I graduated
in a twelve three Big Ten wins?

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Okay, So were you were you at IU during the
time that Bob Knight was coaching in Texas Tech.

Speaker 12 (01:39:45):
Yeah, definitely right two thousand and eight. I mean how
long was night there?

Speaker 5 (01:39:48):
Night was there?

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
From what oh one to right around then? I would think,
I mean, I could be.

Speaker 5 (01:39:53):
I'm gonna say definitely.

Speaker 6 (01:39:54):
I don't know, maybe it was Pad.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
Did you did you pay attention to Texas Tech in
any way, shape or form during that time? For that reason?

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
Sure? Yeah, I mean I brought it.

Speaker 12 (01:40:03):
I brought up on today's show today that you know,
I might have to say the old Bob and I
red sweater comment and watching Texas Tech football tomorrow because
Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
That's what I was gonna ask you, is are you
carrying on your fandom for Texas Tech because you need
Eddie points this out, and I personally think that Notre
Dame is in. I just they are one of the
twelve best teams in college football. I think they might
be one of the eight best teams in college football.
But my resume they might need some help here, and

(01:40:32):
that help would be Texas Tech needs to go ahead
and get pesky BYU to push them out the door
and turn the lot key on him. Right, So how
big a Texas Tech fan are you?

Speaker 10 (01:40:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:40:41):
I need to know the fight song. I need to
you know, or do we have a hand signal that
we do?

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
What?

Speaker 9 (01:40:46):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Guns up? They got the guns up things right?

Speaker 12 (01:40:49):
Okay, guns up? I remember the Texas Tech bell ringer.
I'm always nervous when I see that video though pop
up on the internet. There, so yeah, guns up, Okay,
I got You know, my wife is a bit big
Mormon wives watcher, the the television show.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Well she's you better hope she's watching some disappointed wives. Right.

Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:41:08):
I was gonna say, we need these wives, you know,
crying for other reasons than their marital status or you know.
So we don't need to get into any more than that,
but yes, they need that. Now you bring up an
interesting point. You just said they're one of the best
twelve teams, maybe one of the best eight teams. I
believe right now from a Vegas odds standpoint, they have
the fourth best odds to win the national championship. Ohio

(01:41:31):
State is the favorite, Indiana's close. Then I think there's
a little drop. I believe Georgia's slightly above Notre Dame.
Do you think that should matter at all? Do you
think your committee should should like look at that or
is that oh no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
No, because I do think that and it is it
is Kevin. It's hard to remember this, but the reality
is this. Money lines and book lines are moved by
where the money is going. And that speaks to Notre
Dame's simply their fanfare, right and the amount of money
that would be going on them.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Right.

Speaker 12 (01:42:03):
So not to do with Notre Dame is capable of
beating those scenes.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
It's more to do with Well, what I'm saying is
what I'm saying is it's just like the money, like
like you know, hey, so and so is favored by
twelve and then by the time the game kicks off,
it's like, wow, they're not only favored by three. Well,
it's not because they got better, it's because the money
was going in a certain direction and that changes the
line and the odds that are placed on it, right,
So I get it. I mean, look, and I do

(01:42:28):
think that there is an element of I mean, for example,
is Notre Dame better than Texas Tech? I have no idea,
because to be honest with you, I haven't seen really
any of Texas Tech. But it feels to me like
they are because part of it is just a you
hear about and you see more here obviously about the Irish,

(01:42:48):
and I like Marcus Freeman and all that, but I
do think that branding and precedent comes into play a
little bit.

Speaker 12 (01:42:55):
Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, obviously last year Alabama was
the first team left out, so that was kind of
a at the old you know, hey, they're never going
to leave Alabama out. They're never gonna leave Notre Dame
out because that improves the ratings and all of that.
You know, one thing with the committee that I do like,
and I think it's been debated from an NCAA selection
committee for the men's basketball tournament, is you do have

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four former college football coaches on the selection committee.

Speaker 5 (01:43:20):
It's not just all ads.

Speaker 12 (01:43:21):
So my thought is these these former coaches are not
necessarily you know, crunching computer numbers, are looking at strength
of schedule here nice and who doesn't now you know again,
pardon me, thinks that would help out Notre Dame based
off what you said, and based off I think many
people view them. But you know, clearly with these recent rankings,

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that's not how the committee is currently talking about them.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
Kevin, I'm going to introduce for you, by the way,
the You know this is I have a rotation of
songs that I consider to be my favorite songs.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
There's like five or six of them that comes on them. Man,
that's such a great song we have now for Kevin Bowen,
this is your favorite song for the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
Not a bad sound.

Speaker 13 (01:44:10):
All forever go Red Raiders, Cky Love Loveic Yes we do,
Bob Nightcliff Kings, Barry Patrick Mahomes, the Raven, Clark Texas Tech.

Speaker 12 (01:44:25):
It is Red Raiders, fight Fight, Fight, Fight, screw b Yu.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
Yes, there you go, And that's exact lyrics. How did
you know that was? That's a quick Google search there
by the way, Lovick the hometown also a buddy Holly
by the way, if you wanted to throw him into
that mix. Oh okay, Indiana, Ohio State. You look at it?

Speaker 5 (01:44:45):
How I like you?

Speaker 12 (01:44:48):
In all honesty, I think Ohio State just played their
game of the year, and I just don't think this game.
I think, yeah, sure they care about it, of course,
but like it's a lot to read it back up,
Indiana has really been lugged for this game since what Oregon.
So yeah, I think that will help you I think
the fact that they'll get sat back, you know, potentially

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Drew Evans up front. You know, they've been a little
banged up, you know, really over the last couple of weeks.
So I think it's gonna be you know, I know,
we get in this kind of crowd debate a lot
with these neutral site games. I think there will be
more Indiana fans there and I think they will make
their presence felt. And for Ohio State, it's just another
big ten you know, championship, and I get they have
them one in a while, but I just think it, frankly,
it matters more to Indiana. So yeah, I'll go Indiana

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in a those one.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
Okay. Lastly, Kevin, your son has made his pick yes
or no?

Speaker 12 (01:45:36):
Yes, made a pick.

Speaker 5 (01:45:37):
Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 12 (01:45:38):
We posted posted it last night.

Speaker 6 (01:45:39):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
And you know, I'm not a fan of the Jags helmets.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
I'm not a fan of Kevin sending Max out in
the snow.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
And I saw that I did see out in the
cold yet, I mean, that's question not.

Speaker 5 (01:45:50):
One of my finer finer moments.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
Luckily CPS has.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
Not called meos you watching the Mormon Housewives.

Speaker 5 (01:45:57):
I guess right, exactly exactly.

Speaker 12 (01:46:00):
So he did go Colts again, which I don't know.
I'm starting to think he gets a little biased. I
did take out the Seahawks helmet last night. I'm curious
if that eye will attract him at all.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Which week is it the Seahawks helmet with the blue
face mask.

Speaker 12 (01:46:13):
No, No, it's the it's the eye. It's the yeah,
it's the long eye kind of takes up pretty much
all the helmet.

Speaker 5 (01:46:19):
Okay, fair enough, all right, again, he hasn't seen.

Speaker 12 (01:46:21):
A lot of that, you know, the the NFC helmets,
you know, he doesn't. He doesn't get you.

Speaker 6 (01:46:26):
The PG thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
He's got the Niners helmets after that too, and that's
also a pretty intriguing helmet. We shall see as he.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Put him on his dinosaurs and then they clash head head.

Speaker 12 (01:46:38):
Yeah he did that last week, and I mean last
week I thought he might go Texans there, and he
he should have as he was trying to make some
money there. So seven and five on the air teetering
just like the Colts. Very fitting.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
All right, we shall see what happens over the course
of the weekend. I know you guys will be talking
about first thing Monday morning, on the Fan Morning Show
with Kevin as well as James Boyd and Jeff Rickard.
Enjoy the weekend, all right, Kevin, Thank you, Kevin Bellwen
joining us on the program. Outstanding rendition of the Texas
Tech Fight song. Before we get to and it is
a Friday, It's a Franciscan feel good, good for the
heart Friday and a really important discussion I want to

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get to you folks about in terms of getting set
for the holidays and your heart health. But speaking of hearts,
I wanted to point this out before we move along today.
Some heavy ones around this building and around this community.
Certainly there should be for any of you when it
comes to those that were under the quest to and

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the desire to be informed of what was happening within
the government, certainly of this city and this state for
nearly three decades. Back in two thousand and seven, I
had the pleasure albeit not for very long, but I
did have the pleasure of being a member of the
WIBC morning news program and working for WIBC, which was

(01:47:58):
a real thrill for me. It was notably a thrill
for me because and I got to work with Jeff
Pigeon and Terry Stacey, and Big John Gillis, you know,
legendary people who ascended within the broadcast industry far beyond
what I at that point had been to or ever
still to this day will be. And I have always felt,

(01:48:20):
personally speaking, selflessly speaking, that having WIBC, even though I'm
probably the only one that remembers that time on my resume,
having that on my resume gave me a validity, at
least personally speaking, because I knew of what that radio
station and the heritage of the WIBC Morning program meant
in this town, and certainly the news department of that

(01:48:44):
going way back to even before that time. It goes
without saying WIBC News and the long heritage there of
the individuals that made that the staple of you know,
Radio Indiana and everything that it's been in this town.
One of the people who worked there for twenty eight

(01:49:06):
years diligently and passionately and was a great teammate even
for the small amount of time that I worked with him,
was Eric Berman. Eric Berman was probably the smartest man
in broadcasting. He was, and I always love this about him,
a trivia buff who had been a champion on Jeopardy. Literally,

(01:49:28):
everybody says you should go on Jeopardy. Not to me,
I'm saying to in general that euphemism, you should go
on Jeopardy. He did, and he won, and Eric had
a very pleasant demeanor about him. It would be disingenuous
for me to say that I knew him to the
level or the depth that colleagues did, because I didn't
work with him for an extended period of time. However,

(01:49:50):
during the time that I did that morning program, I
was miscast. For certain I knew it. I think everyone
else knew it, but Eric Berman was one of them.
I remember pulling me aside and talking to me just
about the show itself and the direction and the way
that I handled things from a broadcast standpoint, and he

(01:50:11):
did so with a qualification of expertise and understanding of
the craft, while at the same time a compassion about
the importance of the craft but also the humanity of
being a person on the radio and kind of navigating

(01:50:31):
through that for me or offering his advice in the
most tender and kind hearted of ways. And this was
someone who had an intellect that was far, far, far
beyond anything that I could even comprehend. He took a
true passion in covering the Statehouse and making sure that
Hoosiers were informed of the issues going on around them

(01:50:56):
from a political standpoint, and he did so with the
professionalism of an objectivity where you knew that when he
reported something, it was true and it was fair. And
those are the two things that not only are the
ultimate testament to this craft, but also to a great extent,
an art that has faded to a great extent. Eric

(01:51:19):
worked for WIBC for twenty eight years. He left WIBC
and then went into other ventures in covering the State House,
but some over a decade ago or so, he had
a battle with cancer which had gone into remission. And today,
just before I got on the air, Dan McGowan, who
had been the producer on that morning show that I
was on, sent me the text that unfortunately he had

(01:51:41):
gotten the news this morning that Eric Berman has passed away.
And Eric Berman, when I think of him, I will
always think of this pleasant grin that he had on
his face when he was so always happy to answer
a trivia question or provide one. But it was never
a grin that cracked into an arrogance, but rather one

(01:52:03):
that simply stayed at the level of an appreciation and
an enjoyment. And he is someone that certainly from an
information standpoint, will be missed greatly within this area. I
think the listeners and the people, and for that matter,
the political figures of this state owe him a tremendous
amount in terms of gratitude. And for my colleagues within

(01:52:27):
this building, they will miss him, I know, a great deal.
But all of us will be fortunate to be able
to say that our professional paths did cross with Eric Berman.
So godspeed to him. After the news that he passed
away this morning, we'll come back. It is a Franciscan
feel good, good for the heart Friday, and we'll do
it next. It is a Friday, It is the bottom

(01:52:51):
of the two o'clock hour. You know what that means.
It means it is time for a Franciscan health, feel good,
good for the heart Friday, as we do each and
every Friday. And I know, you know, everybody's feeling good
this time of year, because, as we've been talking about
all day, it's going to be a huge weekend. Colts
Jags on Sunday, Indiana, Ohio State tomorrow. That's not for
the faint of heart. It goes without saying. But of

(01:53:12):
course the holiday season is upon us as well, and
that becomes something where you have holiday heart syndrome. This
is something that is relatively new to me. I was
unaware of it, so I thought, why not bring on
one of our experts from Franciscan to talk about exactly that.
So joining me now on the guest line. He is
a cardio electro physiologist with Franciscan Health, doctor Phil George,

(01:53:34):
joining me on the program today. Doctor, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
I'm great?

Speaker 5 (01:53:38):
Thanks for having me on now.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
I want to begin with this because Doc, I know
this is going to be surprising to you. I'm not
what one would say is necessarily like medically the smartest,
you know, the sharpest tool in the shed. My understanding
is when it comes to cardiology, you got two kinds
of heart doctors. You've got the heart doctor that basically
does the plumbing, makes sure that everything is clean in

(01:54:00):
that regard, and then you have the one that is
the electrician to make sure that everything is beating at
the pace it needs to. You are the latter, Is
that correct?

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
That is correct?

Speaker 14 (01:54:10):
I'm one of the electricians.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
If you will, okay, so we're making sure the wiring
is all good here for everybody. I want to talk
about this with the holiday season, I heard the other
day and that's why I reached out to Franciscan and
you guys are so good at explaining different and making
people aware of different heart things, like we're going to
do on Sunday, by the way, from twelve until two

(01:54:32):
o'clock for our Franciscan November Health Fare for Men at
Gougman House Brewing. Hope everybody's going to be there for that.
But holiday heart syndrome, doctor, what can you tell me
about this term that is new to me?

Speaker 14 (01:54:44):
Yeah, so classically, holiday heart syndrome really just refers to
the development of abnormal heart rhythms that oftentimes occurred during
the holidays and that are associated with essentially increased alcohol intake.
And the rhythm that we're you usually referring to as
far as abnormal, is what we call atrial fibrillation. And

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so with the holidays coming up, right, people at parties
and events planned right, people want to enjoy themselves. They're
going to have a couple of drinks and maybe they
drink a little bit more than they're used to drinking,
and that's oftentimes what patients can develop some of these
abnormal heart rhythms, specifically what we call atrial fibrillation, and
atrial fibrillation. We don't consider it an imminently dangerous or

(01:55:31):
life threatening rhythm disturbance, but it is an abnormal heart rhythm.
It can cause symptoms and if untreated, can sometimes lead
to the development of strokes and individuals, particularly over an
individual's lifetime, that particular rhythm increases that individual's risk of stroke.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
I want to get back to the relation between you know,
I think we all know, doctor clearly, most people know
that when you start talking about alcohol consumption, you know,
moderation is key. You know, probably none is key. But
for those that are going to be consuming an alcoholic beverage,
I am curious the relationship between. I know that alcohol
is a depressant and then it can slow things down

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a little bit. What is the direct correlation, if you will,
to how it can impact the pacing or exactly what
you're talking about, the electricity if you will, of the heart.

Speaker 14 (01:56:25):
Yeah, so it's a great question, and you know, sort
of the way that I try to explain it to
patients that I see in my clinic is that you
can think of it as sort of like a low
level withdrawal, particularly for individuals that sort of like binge
drink again during the holidays, you know, and alcohol, like
you said, it is essentially a depressant, and it because

(01:56:50):
of its impact on sort of neurotransmitters, adrenaline levels in
the body and oxidative stress, it can increase the risk
of these rhythm disturbances, particularly after patients have stopped drinking.
Because of this sort of like low level withdrawal is

(01:57:10):
a way that I can sort of describe it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
Well. With that doctor Doctor Philip George is my guest
by the way, from Franciscan Health. We're talking about holiday
heart syndrome and that withdrawal if you will, after one
has gone through a night of drinking or binge drinking.
To your point, especially if it's somebody who's not used
to that. You know, you have your normal symptoms of
the quote unquote hangover, right, and so somebody's just kind

(01:57:35):
of feeling nauseous or whatever it may be the next day.
What warning signs are there or symptoms that in fact
holiday heart syndrome may be in effect that somebody should
look out.

Speaker 14 (01:57:46):
For Yeah, So as it relates to atrial fibrillation, probably
the most sort of sensitive indicator is that sensation of
what we call palpitations, or the subjective feeling of actually
sensing your heart beating. You know, most of the time,
you know, over the course of a regular day, most

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individuals are not going to feel their heart beating. But
if patients go into abnormal heart rhythms, sometimes they can
sense their heart beating erratically, and that's probably the most
sensitive indicator that a patient may have gone into atrial
fibrillation as a result of holiday heart But patients can
have other symptoms associated with it that are probably less specific.

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So if a patient has or if a person I
should say, has symptoms of fatigue or breathlessness, that can
sometimes be associated with this as well. But there are
also a handful of folks that will go into atrial
fibrillation and not have any symptoms whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:58:46):
So there's going to be a.

Speaker 14 (01:58:47):
Spectrum of individuals that are going to be very symptomatic,
minimally symptomatic, and have no symptoms whatsoever. But I would
say probably the most sensitive or specific I would say,
is going to be the sensation of palpitations, What is.

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
The treatment for it? You know, somebody notices this and
maybe they immediately say I need to go to my
doctor or it is you know, I guess the two
part question doctor would be number one, how are you
then able to determine that somebody has gone, you know,
is suffering from holiday heart syndrome? And then what would
the treatment be once you're able to figure out that
there may be an issue?

Speaker 14 (01:59:22):
Yeah, So if patients happen to go into atrial fibrillation
and develop the sort of holiday heart syndrome, there are
a number of things that we can do to get
patients back into rhythm. First of which is just using medication.
So there are several different medications that we could either
prescribe and you can pick up from your pharmacy or
if you come to the hospital the er they can

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administer through an IV that can help slow the heart
rate down right, alleviate those palpitations, and oftentimes will help
convert patients back into a normal rhythm. Apart from that,
there are also procedures that we can do called oblations
to help treat these rhythm disturbances, but usually as it
relates to holiday heart syndrome, if we think that the

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trigger with alcohol consumption, if we encourage patients to try
to minimize alcohol intake, oftentimes these things will sort of
get better.

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
On their own.

Speaker 1 (02:00:14):
Doctor George is my guest cardio electrophysiologist from Franciscan Health doctor.
When we talk about holiday heart syndrome and especially let's
say somebody's listening and they say, hey, I'm aware of
the fact that this alcohol consumption or binge consumption, sometimes
maybe even more than I had planned on having to drink,
can become a factor. Is there anything that one can do,

(02:00:34):
either preventatively or even after the fact. I don't want
to say self medicate, but maybe from a dietary standpoint
that could help or assist in this throughout.

Speaker 3 (02:00:44):
Yeah, so I.

Speaker 14 (02:00:44):
Would say short of decreasing alcohol intake, there isn't really
anything that you would be able to take, you know,
or ingest sort of over the counter that may help
to mitigate the severity of the episode. Oftentimes, you know,
in a lot of instances, these things will fortunately get
better on their own, but that's not always the case,

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meaning that sometimes patients or an individual will have to
come to the hospital to get some sort of intervention
to help terminate the episode and get that individual.

Speaker 3 (02:01:15):
Back into a normal rhythm.

Speaker 14 (02:01:16):
But as far as yeah, things to consume or not
consume afterwards, short of just you know, avoiding alcohol, that's
really the first thing that we would tell an individual.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
Okay, lastly, doctor, you know, so many people, I think
when they hear heart, they think immediately in the winter time,
people think, oh, shoveling snow and you know, heart attacking
those things. And I think that unfairly there is, especially
when you're doing a sports talk radio show, there's the
thought that like, this is a man's issue, this is
a male thing, you know, I know, for those that

(02:01:47):
are listening to the program with you know, wives, daughters,
or for females that are listening as well. The reality
is that heart disease is also something that can affect
and does affect women. The symptoms any different for a
woman than a man, and or the treatments any different
from woman to man.

Speaker 14 (02:02:07):
Yeah, So as it relates to this, we actually would
sort of you know, group individuals sort of together so
we don't necessarily see any sort of discrepancies in the
burden in males versus females. We say it's sort of
an equal offender, you know, so, and as far as

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treatments are concerned, we would generally treat individuals the same.
As it relates to patients that have coronary artery disease
and art attacks, particularly in females, those individuals can present
with different symptoms. But as it relates to atual fibrillation
and holiday heart oftentimes there's a lot of overlap. And

(02:02:49):
like I said, there's a spectrum of what patients may feel.
Some are going to be very symptomatic, so minimally symptomatic.
But if something feels off, you know, in those instances,
we they call your doctor, you know, come to the er,
get evaluated, because you're going to know your body better
than anybody else, and if something just doesn't seem right,

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then that's the best time to come in to get evaluated.

Speaker 1 (02:03:13):
Doctor around here, everybody's heart's going to feel better. If
Indiana beats Ohio State on Saturday, that's going to happen, right.

Speaker 9 (02:03:18):
That's yeah, for sure, that's going to happen.

Speaker 13 (02:03:20):
I'm not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (02:03:22):
That is the official. That's the sports take of the day,
right there, definitely going to happen, says doctor George from
Franciscan Health. But of course they got to play the
game on the field first. Doctor. The most important thing
is win or lose. We want to make sure that
everybody is winning during the holidays and they are being
safe and they are aware of holiday heart syndrome, the
alcohol intake and everything that goes with it. I certainly

(02:03:44):
appreciate the time on a very important subject matter and
always appreciate the time from Princiscan Health.

Speaker 14 (02:03:50):
Likewise, this has been great, Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
Appreciate it so much again, Doctor Phil Jarge, who is
a cardio electro physiologist for Franciscan Health. We'll come back,
We'll find out with jmv's got cooking. We'll get you
set up one last time for the weekend of football
that is upon us here on this Friday edition Aquaring Company.
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J ANDV joins us now. He is at Tiebreakers, Indy
new spot three point thirty nine mass Ave and it
is the place to be John all weekend is going
to be downtown Indy.

Speaker 15 (02:04:53):
Let me tell you this to Rob is also the
owner of the whistle Stop. And Rob is the old
place Tiebreaker here. So if you know the whistle Stop,
but we've been there a number of times and live shows,
that is Rob here and Wayne is here. There are
co owners, but Rob owns whistle Stop and this is
run across from Bakersfield on mass Ave.

Speaker 5 (02:05:12):
Here it's called Tiebreakers. And if you know anything.

Speaker 15 (02:05:14):
About Rob and what he does, I mean they go
absolutely to the highest of levels. This is a fantastic
place and a great venue to have a Budlight Blue Friday.

Speaker 1 (02:05:25):
I'm sitting here, listen, I'm looking right now. On their
Facebook page that food looks outstanding, beyond outstanding at Tibrie.

Speaker 15 (02:05:31):
Well, I mean, you just know, you know the history
of whistle Stop and we'll talk about that with Rob
a little bit later on too, But I mean, he
did you bring so much of that same elite level
quality to a place like this, and mass Av continues
to get better and better. But this is the absolute
heart of mass Av where we are right now.

Speaker 5 (02:05:51):
So it is.

Speaker 15 (02:05:52):
It is awesome. I'm proud to be here. I did
want to give a shout out Jake really quick. We're
at the garage in Columbus yesterday and many people, I
gotta think because it was spectacular. It was and sometimes
you question whether or not our signal even gets down there.

Speaker 5 (02:06:07):
But Robin the owner and.

Speaker 15 (02:06:09):
We had Spencer Thompson and Thompson Furniture come out. He
made us all yetties, you have an Iu Jetti get.
He made thermous wise for you as well. He made everybody,
all the shows, all the producers yeties. And you know
Matt from Triple A came out and I think who
else Christian was from Brown County Music Center. It was
awesome and I can't wait to go back. And it

(02:06:30):
just takes people and we all get together and have
a good time on the radio, and it makes it
even extra special.

Speaker 5 (02:06:35):
And yesterday was down in Columbus.

Speaker 1 (02:06:37):
By the way, six dollars burger with waffle fries at
tie breakers, and those burgers look outstanding. And don't even
get me started on I mean, I'm looking right here
at the ribs and the nachos and got made.

Speaker 15 (02:06:46):
Watch you just come come over here and you can
hang out and do it like a second show and
be a co So I guess you' all hammer locked.
I'm good at that. I think I think Hay is
gonna show up. He mentioned maybe Trisha Whitaker is going
to show up a little bit later on too. So yeah, well,
the we'll put you half in the bag over here
a little bit late.

Speaker 5 (02:07:02):
We're Shannon. We'll get Shannon half in the bag too.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
Yes, actually about five minutes now, throw on the radio.

Speaker 5 (02:07:10):
Yeah, we'll get her over here to have a little
fun with it. So, no, we've never seen anything like
this joke. I mean, seriously, as far as I us
can never see anything like this.

Speaker 1 (02:07:20):
It's John. I never thought i'd see it, man, I mean,
listen the for for seventy five years, the most pinnacle
moment of Indiana football was a cameo spot in the
background of breaking Away right and now here they are.

Speaker 5 (02:07:32):
Yeah, I never would have remember.

Speaker 15 (02:07:35):
I think three years ago you and I were talking
that you know, if you were ever just Bowl eligible,
that was going to be enough. Totally now can now
consider what we're talking about. It is incredible.

Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
And then even.

Speaker 15 (02:07:47):
When you had a taste of it during COVID and
that really strange kind of Tom Allen winning season and
you know, l e O and.

Speaker 5 (02:07:53):
All that, and you know that had a quick fade.

Speaker 15 (02:07:56):
But this has got staying power right now because it
seems like, as Brett Stevens used to say, everybody has
to be pushing in the same direction and everybody and
it seems like now down there, everybody's pushing in the
same direction they are.

Speaker 1 (02:08:09):
It's going to be a ton of fun. Gives us
plenty to talk about. A Monday and a huge party
celebration atmosphere downtown tie breakers on Mass Savage where JMB
will be and we'll be there. We'll throw it out
to you in just a couple minutes here John, Thanks
pal right, JV will be taking things over here. Thanks
again to Kevin Bowen as well as JP Shattered, Chris
Diddo for joining me on the program today, and Todd

(02:08:30):
Blacklet's really good conversation about that and breaking down this game.
We'll talk about all of it. You folks have a
wonderful weekend. Hope to see you out and about downtown
Indianapolis over the course of the weekend, and we will
talk to you on Monday. I appreciate you listening to
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