Pacers Season Expectations + Colts Sign A Kicker! Scott Agness & Stephen Holder Join!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Eddie, you enjoy Kitcat candy bars? By chance?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Are you left or right?

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
That's TwixT? Sorry, Yeah, I enjoy Kitcat.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
So KitKat candy bars are the exact reason why I
could potentially be a candidate right now for the Indianapolis Colts.
And yeah, I know people say, like, you know, I
like listening to Jake's show, but he makes it all
about himself. Well, you know, listen, I've got to make
things relatable here right in ways in which I can

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relate to circumstance and situation. And I've told this story
probably more times than I need to tell it. But
I've been on the radio for a long time and
that's a lot of hours and a lot of days.
And I don't know if most people have heard this story.
I don't have to give the full version, but the
shortened version would be this. In the winter of nineteen

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ninety eight, the Super Bowl where the Broncos beat the Packers.
Was that can you look up? Was that January of
ninety nine or January of ninety eight? I always get
confused by this. I believe it would have been January
of ninety nine, guestimate, Okay, January. I believe of two

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thousand was the Rams Titans. So John Elway's second Super
Bowl for the Broncos I believe was January of ninety nine,
season of ninety eight. Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Okay, we'll try this again. Can you look that up
whether or not that was the second Super Bowl for
John Elway and the Broncos. Was that January of ninety
nine or January of ninety eight or January ninety seven
somewhere in there either way that particular super Bowl year
ninety nine, January of ninety nine, so the ninety eight season,

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so some twenty now, closing in on twenty seven years ago.
I was sitting at Hardwicke's Pipe and Tobacco, the greatest
job I've ever had, with all due respect to my
current employer, and I was selling cigars and we had
a candy rack, and I would occasionally enjoy myself the
delicacy known as the KitKat. And I open up my

(02:12):
KitKat and I now, when you eat a KitKat, do
you do the individual bar breakof how do you do it?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Individual bar?

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yes? So I'm eating my KitKat and I notice on
there it says kick the field goal for one million
dollars at the Pro Bowl, and I think, okay, and
I take my wrapper and I put it in a
little envelope and I go around the corner to the
Broad Ripple post Office and I drop it in the mailbox.
And I'm like the kid with the golden ticket for
Willie Walker. The dreams start dancing in my head, and

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lo and behold. That was probably when I did that,
like around November, probably this time of year, October November,
and lo and behold, right before the Pro Bowl, right
during the week that John Elway was getting ready to
win that afore mentioned Super Bowl, I get a phone
call from a marketing director of Hershey Foods and they

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say Jake Querry of Indianapolis, Indiana. And I said speaking,
and they said, congratulations, you are one of the four
finalists for the million dollar field goal kicking competition. We
had sixty five mail bags of entrants. We randomly picked
a number one through sixty five. We then went in
dumped that mail bag full of one thousand letters, scattered
it all over, brought in four interns. They each picked

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a letter and yours was picked. Congratulations, You're on your
way to Miami. You have one week to learn how
to start kicking field goals, and then you're going to
be in a field goal kicking competition with three other finalists,
the winner of which we'll go to the Pro Bowl
in two weeks or whatever it was and win one
million dollars from Hershey Foods. And so I had one

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week to learn how to kick a field goal. And
let me tell you, this was back before the soccer
craze that's been the support of the future for thirty
years now. And so as a result, I went out
in cold, blustery conditions at Eastwood Middle School because they
had a goalpost out there and I had gone to
school there and called and said, can I use your
field and Craig Byron, Mike Byron's little brother, was home

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from school. And we sat out there for like four
hours a day, and I found a guy that had
kicked for the Kansas City Chiefs that was coaching at
Sheridan High School, and he taught me the proper step
back and routine of how to kick a field goal.
And I sat there and practiced and toiled relentlessly to
learn how to kick a field goal. Went down to
Miami and lost to Dennis Mundy leg Crawford who was

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from Cleveland, Tennessee, and a manager at home Depot or
Low's I think it was Low's. And he then went
and hit the field goal and won himself one million
dollars and I was officially the runner up. I got
a thousand bucks and a five pound Hershey bar. But
the point to my long winded story to lead today's
show is the fact that it is not the easiest
thing in the world to just simply find a guy
off the street to kick field goals. But that's the

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situation the Indianapolis Colts are now in because Spencer Schrader,
who had been the Special Teams Player of the Month
in the National Football League. You now know what. It's
been twenty four hours since it was announced out for
the year, and it seems as though Eddie and not
today scouring the waiver wire just yet. But there are
I think going to be potentially players available. And it

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is admittedly, you know, kicking today is funny because you
see more extra points missed than ever before for the
obvious reason they moved it back, But you also seemingly
see a lot more fifty five yard field goals with
ten yards to spare than you've seen before, and that

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is partially, I would assume because of the number of
players that have grown up playing soccer and just have
an understanding of the mechanics of it all. But the
Colts very clearly are going to need them to find
themselves a kicker. Now they may today have already brought
people in. I don't know. The one that first came

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to mind, is it Tyler Bass that's in Buffalo, and
Tyler Bass is their regular kicker, and he was on IR,
but he was not on the season ending IR and
he is scheduled to come back fairly eminently, and they
were using Matt Prater, who is a strong legged veteran yep,

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and one would assume that as soon as Bass comes back,
Prader becomes available. That's the first name that came to
mind to me. If the timing works out. Michael Badgley,
who we mentioned yesterday, is another possibility, and we'll keep
an eye on it over the course of today to
see what it means. Because again, the one thing to
me that is the most peculiar there have been in

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the past times where the Colts have had a crowded
kicking room because of the specialty of kicking. Danny Kite,
for example, was a guy that the Indianapolis Colts went
several seas where they used a roster spot just for
the guy that kicks off. Literally, that's all the guy
did was kick off, and then they had a kicker,

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and then they had a punter and etc. We've also
seen where there are you know, most more often than not,
people forget. I mean, Pat McAfee was a punter for
the Colts who in college had been a kicker, a
place kicker, and they said, no, no, no, we think you're
going to be a good punter. So there is some
system of reciprocity amongst those two positions. Rigoberto Sanchez had

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been a placekicker in college at Hawaii, and therefore one
would assume could kick extra points. But again the domino
effect here. If Rigoberto Sanchez is the guy kicking your
extra points, Rigoberto Sanchez is the guy that normally is
holding the snap when it comes in. The long snapper

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is Luke Rhose. He then becomes the holder, and then
you've got to bring in Drew Ogletree, who is your
emergency long snapper. And that's a specialized, specialized skill set.
So You're better off going out and finding yourself another
kicker than you are fighting yourself another long snapper, even
though Ogletree can do it in an emergency situation. So

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that's where things stand now with the Colts, and we
now know the Colts at four and one still are
not able to get separation within the division. They may
be right now the most complete and the most impressive
team in the AFC, but they're not standing alone within
their own division. Because last night and I thought of you, Eddie.

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It's uncomfortable to say, but last night, at about eleven fifteen,
I thought of Eddie Garrison. Maybe I'm not alone in
that regard, but I thought of you last night, Okay,
because and I'm not saying you're wrong. Matter of fact,
I would say that there is more body of work
to lend itself to the fact that you're right about

(08:57):
something than you're wrong. Although I think you went a
little too extreme in your take. Okay. We have had
discussion before about what kind of NFL quarterback Trevor Lawrence is.
Matt Verderram joined us yesterday and Matt Verdiram made a
point that I think a lot of people in the
NFL are starting to agree with and that is simply

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that Trevor Lawrence. That first year with Urban Meyer was
just a disaster, and it seemingly completely stunted Trevor Lawrence.
It just seemed to derail Trevor Lawrence. And he has
never really fully gotten footing as an NFL quarterback. But

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I saw so much of him in college, and between
that and his size, and in addition to that, there
are some guys in college that come out of nowhere.
Trevor Lawrence was a guy that came in and I
think was the all time passing leader in US high
school history and had every pedigree of every camp miss
level prospect going into college. And then in college, immediately

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as a freshman, went in and was carving up Alabama
in the National Title Game, and they Chris Fowler is
saying on the National Championship Game like, this guy looks
like a ten year NFL veteran. And he just continued
to do that through college and then he goes to
Jacksonville and he's never found solid footing. And last night
I really thought was an interesting test. I mentioned this

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only because it's relevant to the Colts because of the
division aspect of it. That Jacksonville also is trying to
stay at four and one and as the culture for
in one. And I thought of you, Eddie, because when
he got the ball back with just under two minutes
to go, needing to go down and score touchdown, and
it certainly helped that the kickoff went out of bounds
and he got it at the forty, but he had

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to make a couple of plays, and I was genuinely
curious whether or not he was going to look like
the guy that, as he does, was prone to throw
another interception after he got caught in his nose on
national television, or was he going to go down and
show poise. I'm curious your thoughts on his performance in
going down there. I mean, was he bailed out? Did

(11:11):
he ball out? You saw it? What way?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I thought it was all right. I mean I thought
it was good to see, obviously if you're a Jaguars fan,
to see him have the ability to bring them down
the field and deliver that. I think that that ball
to Brian Thomas Junior on the sideline. It also hats
off to Brian's to Thomas Chumer for bringing in because
that took a lot of focus because of the fact
that I think it was McDuffie. He was in coverage,
he was right there, step for step with him, and

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the ball literally just goes right over his fingertips. That
ball is just like an inch slower. At the pass breakup,
it's fourth and ten instead it's third and ten or
it's a third and ten first down conversion. And then
you know, it looks like can't say he's going to
shut the door on them at the goal line. And
then they get the pass interference call on third down
and brings it out to the two and I forget

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it was the touchdown run on second down? Did they
try throwing it on first down?

Speaker 1 (11:59):
And they can't relieve they had like forty seconds left whatever.
And then Chris Jones, I don't know if you've seen
this video mailed it in. Oh yeah, and you.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Know he was able just to somehow, I don't know,
the weirdest play I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Okay, here's what I think happened on that play For
those that are unfamiliar. Last night and Monday, that football
Kansas City and Jacksonville. Jacksonville needs a touchdown to win
the game. You're inside the last fifty seconds of the game,
Trevor Lawrence takes the snap, gets his feet tangled by
presumably his own lineman, falls down, tries to get up,

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and in trying to get up, loses his balance again,
and then gets up and scrambles five yards to basically
gain one yard because they were on the one yard line.
I think Chris Jones, truthfully Eddie Chris Jones, the dynamic
all Pro level defender for the Chiefs. From the aerial footage,
from the satellite footage of the play, he seemingly completely

(12:58):
quits on the play and is just standing there and
kind of jogs over. I think he thought he was down. Maybe,
I think he thought the play was over. That's the
one the only thing I could think is a plausible explanation.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, but you're you're always taught, and you always coach
play through the whistle like there and there's still whistle
like even totally understood.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
I mean, I'm not excusing him, I'm just offering it
as potential explanation.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
And Lauren said after with his uh, I think it
was with Lisa Salters or no, was with Laura Rutledge.
In the postgame interview on the field, he was like, yeah,
as soon as I stumbled. I was just trying to
get up and I was gonna throw I was gonna
throw the ball away in Oh crap, nobody's there.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I'll just running this thing in. It was a heck
of a run. And he is a good runner because
he's a big, physical guy. But either way, Jacksonville, now
they are interesting because between the Jags and the Colts,
and you kind of wonder, is Jacksonville the perception you
have as a Jackson of the Jacksonville Jaguars. You're a
Colts fan right now, and you're at lunch hopefully and

(14:00):
your way to Chicago's pizza, and you are thinking to yourself, man,
like the Colts at four and one, the rest of
the league pay attention. They all know the Colts are legit,
which I think is true. But is it possible that
the rest of the league sees Indianapolis the same way
that you Colts fancy Jacksonville, which is, yeah, they've gotten

(14:23):
off to a good start. But I got to see more.
I got to see more. Is that how people in
doing sports talk radio right now in Boise, in Phoenix,
in Chattanooga, and in Scranton, are they all saying about
the Colts. Well they're four and one, but I mean,

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who have they beaten? I got to see more that's possible.
And then there's the Chiefs, because that's what comes into
play when it comes to the Colts. You look at
the AFC and you are trying to figure out where
the colts. What do I always say, last year you

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got all these teams on the interstate to put it
Indianapolis terms. The AFC is sixty nine north, just north
of Castleton, and it becomes a complete dumpster fire. This
lane's closed. This lane becomes one sixteenth street. This lane
becomes thirty seven, This lane becomes sixty nine, one sixteenth

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and thirty seven, and we're not sure actually why. It
swoops over to the left and then merges back to
the right. Good luck. This lane goes up on a
ramp and I think there's a top golf right there.
And then if you miss it, no worries. You can
get in the left lane, and then before you know it,
you're head about southbound and then you can, all of
a sudden, you can do a clover leaf in your
back and now the next thing you know, you fell
asleep at the wheel and you're in Dayton, you know,

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But as everybody's jockeying up I sixty nine at like
four thirty in the afternoon, listening to JMB and they're
driving along and they're trying to figure out which lane
they're in that's the AFC. Everybody's trying to get into
that exit ramp that is the wild card or the
playoffs or whatever else. And it's really early at this point, Like,

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at this point, you haven't even gotten into the spot
in the interstate where it's got the big painting in
the lane that is telling you what your lane is
going to become. We're not even at that point yet,
we're five weeks in. But when you get closer and
you can start to see the exit ramp, like we're
at the point right now, we're so far away from
it that it's like the Indianapolis International Airport where there's

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the divider in the road and two and a half
miles up there's a sign telling you whether you are
in the lane that goes to the garage or pick
up for the terminal, and you're like, how in the
world am I supposed to read that on which way
I'm supposed to go? Because it's two miles away, but
there's a divider right here telling me which way I've
got to go on I sixty nine. There's this jumbled

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up mess of all these different lanes and people we
even in and out and changing lanes, and that's where
you are right now in the AFC. But the Colts
are in the front lane where seemingly there's a lot
of jockeying behind them. But you know that when it
comes time when we're starting to talk, like around Thanksgiving time,
and we've already gotten my mom's warning about the wet
leaves and the drumstick dashes coming up, and we are

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discussing what the best Halloween candy was a week ago
that you got, or how many kids came to your
house around that time. We're starting to get a feel
and one of the things that we're getting a feel
for is, for example, the Kansas City Chiefs. Are they
going to be in the thick or are we waiting
still at that point for them to become the Kansas
City Chiefs. Has the expiration date? Hit does the lack

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of an overall running game, and Pacheco's pretty good, but
maybe the dip of Travis Kelcey, the overall arsenal in
things that Patrick Mahomes has to play with. Has that
brought them back down to earth a little bit? Now?
Where you wonder? You wonder like who are the teams
that are going to be there? And in fact is

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it the Indianapolis Colts? Still are they going to maintain
in front? And Eddie? When you look at the AFC,
the regular cast of characters that you assumed were going
to be those that were way up in front merging
into that right lane that you that are giving you
indication which exit ramp is yours? We thought that was
going to be Cincinnati and they got a backup quarterback

(18:30):
that looked horrific on Sunday, a lot better than the
second half he did, but still, I mean, at first
so terrible, right. I don't understand how they're still sticking
by Jake Brownie, Like you got to make some calls. No,
who's there? Who's out there? What's their option?

Speaker 2 (18:48):
I mean, you've got Jameis Winston's probably the number one option?

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Right?

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Who is Cincinnati's third string quarterback Brett Ripion? I think
is it? Really?

Speaker 4 (18:58):
I think?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
So? They just released uh Mike White from the practice
squad today.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
You thought the Houston Texans were going to be competent,
and yes they got to win over the weekend, but
that it was gifted to them, right, You thought at
this point that the Chargers would be perhaps four and
one or five and zero. Buffalo, Buffalo, I think is
really good, but they are clearly susceptible. It is amazing

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to me, amazing to me that there is no team
that who scares you. Who right now in the AFC
is the team that you say if the Colts had
to play them in the postseason, that scares me? Is
there one? Is it? Is it still Kansas City? Based

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on brand? Is it Buffalo based on Josh Allen? Is
it Cincinnati because you think Joe Burrow's eventually going to
get there and be able to play like, you know,
I don't know, twelve quarters without getting hurt. Is it
Pittsburgh when you know that Aaron Rodgers is probably gonna
implode and the storyline is simply going to be They're

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going to be trying to go once again to be
a game over five hundred from Mike Tomlin is that Baltimore.
Baltimore was thought to be the shoe in So what
I'm getting at is as the Colts are just the
Colts start of the year, and we're like, they're a
nice sit in, and all of a sudden, what you
realize is the elite cars that we expected the Colts

(20:32):
were going to be contending with to get over into
that exit lane even though there's still plenty of time
to go. One of them's got a flat, one of
them has a battery that needs to be recharged, and
one of them is like my car that spent seven
weeks at the same dealer for four different parts under warranty.
Do you have your car back? No? No, told today

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new engines going in sometime this week. All right, let's go.
I'm driving the loaner and it's brand new, and now
I've become accustomed to no king. It's like fun. Now
my dad's license plate of Sir Yo Yo. I'm no
longer rolling around on my dad's Caddy with the Sir
Yo Yo license plate, where people thought I was either
Walter Matthow or Snoop Dogg. Instead, I'm driving a loaner
that they gave me, which is wonderful and it's fabulous,

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and I think this is all a ruse, and they're
thinking that I'm going to be one of these failed
foster parents. When it comes to dogs. They give you
a dog to foster, and then before you know it,
you adopt the dog and you're a full ten and
you're like, have you met my new beagle? And I
think that's what their hoping is going to happen with
this car. But I'm standing my ground. I appreciate the
putting a new engine in it because they realize that
it was not my fault that the engine blew up,

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So they're putting a brand new one in there, and
I'm going to drive it to the wheels fall off,
which might be. Actually, you know, my car is basically
Joe Burrow. That's the best way of saying it. Each
time I think I'm getting a good run out of it,
I find out we're out another four to six weeks.
But that's where we stand. And I do think that
there's something that's happened with the Colts that I want

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to talk about here coming up in just a couple
of minutes. Steven Holder going to join us one o'clock today.
He starts back on the court right, Let's go night
in Minnesota. The shortest postseason of all.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Time conference right here on the fan in seven thirty.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Although I should say that they've been to the finals before,
they didn't go seven games over that two thousand. Maybe
they had a shorter postseason. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Coverage again, what time tonight seven thirty pm right here
on the fan starts with tap boiling with the pregame show,
and then Mark Boyle and Eddie Gill take over at
eight o'clock. I think the most fascinating thing there is
something about this team. There is a storyline to watch
with this Pacers group. Maybe not in totality of season maybe,

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and maybe it's something that we may need a month
to figure out. But the first glimpse, for me, the
most fascinating thing, the most curious thing, the most the
most eye opening thing, the most taeltale thing about the
Indiana Pacers for this season and is something that we

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will get our first introduction and taste into this particular
thing tonight and it could give preview for the rest
of the year. And that is every player is different,
I realize, but you have not one, but two big

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men that are coming off of an Achilles' injury, and
Isaiah Jackson and James Wiseman, and they are both big
guys that their calling card pre injury was their quickness
and their ability of lift off the floor, and I'm
curious to see if they've lost any of that because
Tyree's Halliburton is dynamic a player, as he is in

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so many areas. The thing that separated Tyre's Halliburton from
so many of his peers at his position was his
burst and his water bug ability as a point guard
to get from A to B so darn quick, and
you wonder how much of that he could lose with
the achilles. Every Achilles is different, I realize, but we
still have it in our mind of injury recovery in

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the Gail Sayers era and it's like, well, let's see
if there's precedent now on between Jackson and as well
James Wiseman. Do they have the same level of quick
hop burst that they had before, because that may give
us indication as to where we are in twenty twenty
five with coming back from these injuries. And Haliburton yesterday
video of him shooting looks good, but that is a

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obviously totally totally different chasm from playing in the National
Basketball Association. When we come back just a couple minutes row.
There is something that I've noticed about the Colts that
I wonder if it could have happened a year ago,
and I don't think it could have. And it's really
good news for you Colts fans. I'll explain next. Greetings

(24:49):
and salutations to you. My name is Jake Query. This
is a fabulous song off of Nxcess Kick, which is
an album that basically came out around this time in
nineteen eighty seven. My sister Megan drove me to school
every day and had this cassette tape and we listened

(25:10):
to it literally every single day my freshman year of
high school. Great album, though, great album, great song. Eddie
Garrison is the other voice you hear on this program.
He actually is the master of the music controls that afternoon.
Eddie is listed as the president of the company. Those
of you who are listeners of the show, we consider
you to be employees of the company. All of you
have your own designated titles and it is much appreciated.

(25:32):
We have a director of well we have it directors here.
We don't have an HR department, because HR department whenever
you get an email from him means bad news, right, yep.
But we have director of Securities. We have food delivery folks.
We have lots that are Team the Road. What's that team?

Speaker 2 (25:48):
We have a team?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Mom? Do we really?

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:52):
We have thirty nine No waymen, we're not at thirty yet.
Twenty nine female listeners. Right. There are a couple of
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Speaker 3 (26:05):
Now.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
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(26:27):
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You are always welcome to text that throughout the course
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and then of course jamb who later today Greg Raystraw
will be filling in for Always welcome those texts as well.
Before the break, I had mentioned to you something that
I was thinking about when it comes to the colts
this year. I believe what we are seeing every year
at the end of the year, Eddie, teams have their banquets.

(27:12):
You played baseball at Decatur Central High School? Correct, yep?
Did you guys have a banquet at the end of
the year. Sure? Did give me a couple of the
awards that they might used to give during the.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Course of the banquet. A silver Slugger.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Glove. Okay, how about this? How about this not statistical awards,
but awards that, like the coaches would give as an
atta boy, you know, as voted on by the coaches,
a like an opinion award.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
An opinion award.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, in other words, like the silver Slugger award goes
to the guy that has the highest per year, the
teammate of the year. Exactly that kind of a thing, right,
one of those awards that would be given out is
when they would say, and usually it would go to
like some sophomore or a lot of times a junior
that just kind of narrowly made the team and then
has a decent year. Most improved award, right the most

(28:03):
improved award. If we were doing the Colts end of
year banquet right now and they were giving out a
most improved award, I believe actually the winner of the
most Improved Award for the Colts. The obvious answer here
people are going to say, well, it's got to be
Daniel Jones. Well, yes, except that he wasn't here a

(28:25):
year ago, so he's the most improved based on what
we believed he could do coming in because of how
he played with the Giants. But I think the most
improved member of the Colts is Shane Steiken. Fascinating, and
I think what we have seen so far there have
been two things that illustrate Shane Steiken's improvement as a

(28:51):
head coach. Whenever you hire a head coach that is
in a first opportunity, regardless of whether you're talking Little
League or the NFL, any job in any walk of life,
if you're listening to my voice right now. And you
are working at an engineering company, you're at a law firm,

(29:13):
you're at a consulting firm, you're at an energy company.
There's always somebody that comes in and they say, oh,
we just hired Bill in accounting, and you're like, yeah,
I know Bill. I've never met Bill, but he's been
around forever. Buddy of mine used to work across the

(29:34):
street to the engineering company. He Bill worked over there.
He's helped Bill's known. I mean, he's Bill's got to
be five years from retirement. Bill comes in does things
a little unorthodox and you're like, yeah, but Bill can
get away with that because Bill's been around forever and
he's got a reputation. Everybody knows him. He's good at
what he does. He's good at what he does. And
then they're like, oh, and by the way, here's Brian.

(29:57):
Brian actually just graduated four years ago from State U
and he's been working as an intern across the street
and then he got a job as an assistant to Nancy.
And now he's okay, great, Brian has a little more
to prove. And you're a little more hesitant on Brian
than you are Bill, because Bill's a guy that's been

(30:17):
around Shane Steikin. When he came in as an NFL coach,
we knew he was a bright offensive mind, okay, But
one of the things that we were aware of when
he came in is that he was coming in and
he had a quarterback that was he was gonna that
was gonna be his rider or die Shane Steikin's career,

(30:40):
and the Colts were going to go as Anthony Richardson
went and Shane Steiken in the beginning, I think probably
and yes, Richardson got hurt, but I think that Shane
Steiken was doing and proceeding and acting in every way
that he needed to along the way to awaken Anthony

(31:02):
Richardson to get Anthony Richardson going, And then the helmet
tap happened. And even with that, when the helmet tap happened,
Shane Steiken, you know, came out and said, it just
needs to be a little bit more organizationally, it needs
to be more about the whole body of work. But

(31:26):
he didn't come out right out and say, look, he's
gonna have to sit and learn. He implied it, and
that's ultimately what they ended up doing. But the whole
time it was, well, I mean we like Anthony, we
really do. Anthony's Anthony's a good kid. You know, there
are bad kids that make there are good kids that

(31:48):
make bad decisions, and they're just bad kids. He's not
a bad kid. He's a good kid. He's just a
good kid that needs to learn make made a couple
of bad decisions. And then they go out, they get
Daniel Jones. He decides that he wants to go with
Daniel Jones, and he sends that message because and I
don't know that Shane Steikeen makes that same determination when

(32:11):
he first got the job. Shane Steiken is under the influence,
whether it was directly in his ear or by implication,
Shane Steiken is under the influence that those above him
want him to start Anthony Richardson right away. And so
Shane Steiken says, new on the job, I'm Brian, Yes,
I'm gonna do that. But now Shane Steikin looks more

(32:33):
like a coach that is Bill. He's been around a
little bit. Yeah I'm not sitting here pretending he's Mike Tomlin.
But he's in year three now, he's been through a
couple of things. He's had to retweak a couple of approaches,
and what we're seeing now is twofold the maturation of

(32:55):
Shane Steikeen. The first being he is calling and he
is comfortable enough in the way he's calling games to
call games that most benefit the style and the composure
of Daniel Jones, and Shane Steiken is masterfully calling games
to bring out the skill set of Daniel Jones, and

(33:17):
Daniel Jones is allowing a skill set that is masterfully
allowing Shane Steiken to bring out different areas of his playbook.
But more importantly, when you look at the situation with
Adie Mitchell, Shane Steiken became Bill not Brian because Shane
Steikeen basically said, yeah, listen, this guy went out and

(33:38):
made some mistakes and we can't have that, and so yeah,
I'm gonna look at maybe going another way to send
him a message, and he made no bones about it,
and boom, Ashton Doolan goes in and I'll be curious
to see what happens now with Adi Mitchell in terms
of his rotation spot, because Ashton Dulan did nothing to
surrender that spot, and Adi Mitchell continue to do the

(34:01):
things that cost him that spot. But Shane Stikeen in
terms of the way he's calling the game, in terms
of the conviction of his decision making as both an
x's and o's guy and as a personnel guy, and
his ability to deliver message without any sort of perceived doubt.

(34:22):
And I'm not saying that there was pushback before, but
it's very clear who's the one making those decisions. It's
very clear who the sheriff is. We are seeing right
now before our very eyes, the maturation of Shane Stiken
as a head coach. The bubble wrap is off, the
new car smell is gone, and Shane Stikeen now is
an established coach in the NFL where you're like, yeah,

(34:44):
he's the guy in charge and he has a confidence
about him. And I think it's I think that is
a real upshot for the Colts, a real upshot for
the Colts. As for the Pacers, I think they have
upshot too, I really do. There's I get it, no Haliburton,
no Turner. But tonight in Minnesota we may be seeing

(35:07):
the introduction to something that might need adjustment to our eyes,
but it could spell a real positive long term. I'll explain.
We'll get into that discuss, and Holder joins us top
of the hour speaking of Indiana and Oregon. Ryan Day

(35:31):
of number one Ohio state some very interesting things to
say about I you today kind of stuff that IU
fans are going to be like, why not Indiana? Why
not Indiana hoosiers going in? Taking an Oregon coming up?
And we'll let you know what you want to.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Get something about that? Did I did I see that? Correctly?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I did?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
I take query on Twitter? Right?

Speaker 1 (35:55):
That's correct. You got to scroll down a little bit.
I think I'll probably send back out. So why not
Indiana related comments? Okay, PACER's in action tonight, Now, Eddie,
I'm curious the Pacers taking on Minnesota tonight eight o'clock.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Right, do you go timberwolves or tea wolves or wolves.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Timberwolves? I would go timberwolves first, by t wolves, second,
wolves third?

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Right?

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, Now, is it is a timberwolf an actual breed
and or group of wolf or is that just something
that they kind of added in and made it up
and it sounds cool, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (36:41):
It is a mammal species belonging to the Canadian family.
Is also known as a gray wolf. Or Eastern timberwolf,
but Canadian? Yes?

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Now, hold on, So, so the Minnesota basketball team is
named after it, shouldn't that be shouldn't Toronto be the Timberwolves?

Speaker 2 (36:59):
I don't know, Jake, I'm sure a lot of Canadians might. Actually,
I do know this, a lot of Canadians migrate too Minnesota, well, apparently,
including the wolves.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
So, so are there actual timberwolves in Minnesota or are
they just ripping off the Canadian folk?

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Are there timber wolves in Minnesota? Yes, Minnesota is home
to one of the largest populations of the timberwolves in
the lower forty eight states.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
They mostly live in the Minneapolis or Saint Paul's Side.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Primarily found in the Superior National Forest in other wilderness areas.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Okay, either way, did you say that what's the over under?
Did you look up for me the Vegas odds over under?
I'm going to say, and we have not looked at this.
I think we mentioned it earlier, so maybe that's stuck
in my head, but I'm going to say the over
under for the Pacers, according to the folks in Lost Wages,

(38:00):
I'm gonna say that they have it at forty and
a half. You would be incorrect thirty seven and a half?
You are correct? Is it at thirty seven and a half?
It is okay at plus odds on the over I'm
not going to tell people what to do with their
money because that would be irresponsible to me, and I

(38:22):
don't want necessarily like to be you know what I mean,
but I would be stunned. We are going to do this.
We're going to come in Eddie. We're gonna have a
party when the Pacers hit thirty eight wins. Okay, We're

(38:45):
going to come in here. We're gonna lead the show
with celebration by cooling the gang. I mean, I'll bring
in a Chicago's Pizza Fhoria. We are going to do
And here's what we're gonna do. The day after the
Pacers win their thirty eighth game. We are going to
do a celebration Life is Good show, and we're gonna

(39:09):
have people call in, and they're gonna call in and
we're gonna do nothing for the entire three hours. You
mark my words. This entire season for the Pacers on
Quarry and Company is going to be about the march
to thirty eight. Because I've never been more certain about
anything in my life than the fact that they're gonna
win thirty eight games. Now, this is knock on wood.

(39:37):
This is barring any significant season ending injury. I mean,
if if Andrew Mhart and aaron Ni Smith both have
to miss significant time to begin you know, we've seen
that in the past, and I get it, they don't
have the total amount of depth that we've seen in
years past because of the injuries to Halliburton and the

(39:59):
loss of time. But I've never been more sure about
anything in my life. And when they win thirty eight games,
we're going to do a day where we're going to
lead the show with celebration. My cool in the gang.
We're gonna sell I don't care if it's the day
after the Pacers win the or the Colts win the
Super Bowl. Well, okay, if that's the case, we'll probably
do it. But I'm telling you, we're going to do

(40:19):
a show where we celebrate. We're going to do a
celebratory show where we do nothing but and we should
do this anyway where people call in with what they're
happy about and what they're celebrating.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
There's one book that has thirty seven and a half.
There's another book that has thirty eight and a half.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Thirty eight. Thirty eight is the number. We should do
this at some point today anyway, where people just call
in to say what they're celebrating. I'm celebrating the fact
that my fifteen year old daughter got an A in
chemistry and studied hard. Awesome. I'm studying the fact that
my mom went to the doctor and got good results

(40:55):
on the test that we were worried about. Great news.
There's so much that I'm celebrating the fact I get
to listen to Eddie every day. Three.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
I celebrate the fact I get to listen Ody every
day from neon to three.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Okay, the there's so much negative stuff. We need to
just focus more on the positive. We need to be uplifting, right.
People Like somebody asked me, They're like, Jake, you totally
let me down on the way that you handled the
Mark Sanchez news because so many people were dropped the
ball on that. And I get it right, and I
appreciate and respect and it does mean something to me

(41:31):
that people would expect that I would have something to
say about that that was deep and meaningful. But I'm like,
there's two things people don't want to tune into this
show to hear about One is politics and the other
is people grasping on to some sort of relevance or attention.
Three Fantasy Football. Three Fantasy Football. Yes, although your team

(41:52):
had a huge week and my team Todd beat me,
and I think I'm worse in the league right now,
but I had not one, but two both of my
tight ends for crying allowed. We're Saturday healthy, scrattiny.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Nobody cares.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
You're right, Nobody cares for the Pacers. Though I'm optimistic
this year. I am. I think they're going to be
better than people think. I am very curious about how
Isaiah Jackson tonight in the first hour of the game.
I'm going to look to see how Isaiah Jackson and

(42:24):
as well James Wiseman look. I mentioned it earlier. I
went to it there coming off the same injury that
Halliburton is going through right now. Different bodies, different people,
everything's different, I realize, But I think that we are
under the assumption that the Achilles' injuries are twenty years ago,
and I think they are better today than they used
to be.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
In dealing with I went to Fanjam on Sunday because
I was like hey, you know what you know, I
don't get to see these guys off and up close.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Why not I'll go?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
So I went, and Isaiah Jackson looked fine, look normal.
He took off like a step inside the three point
line on a breakaway dunk and dunked Jeans. Wiseman looks fry,
he looks solid. I don't think they're playing any slower,
and in fact, I thought they looked like they're going
to try to play faster.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
You know, in all honesty, especially if Jackson's Jackson or
Wiseman is on the floor, they can probably play faster
than they did with Turner.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
And I would say that Isaiah Jackson right now is
looking like you're opening days starting.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
See.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I have forever loved Isaiah Jackson, and I think he's uber.
He is literally the human pogo stick, right and he.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Was I thought Bennetting Matherin looked more comfortable within the
system of the offense in that there was more of
a willingness of trying to get the ball out quicker,
so it wasn't sticking as much.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
The top end look good. How did Wiseman look fine?
I mean, it's very hard to tell him that, right.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Ben Shephard is injured right now, so he didn't play,
so I don't think he's playing tonight either.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Thirty eight wins is his big ast slam dunk, as
it is if Isaiah Jackson is If Tyrese Haliburt is
running a break and Isaiah Jackson is flashing in for
the side when both are healthy, that is as much
a slam dunk as the Pacers winning thirty eight games.

(44:17):
I'm not trying to be naive. I'm not trying to
be rose colored glasses here. I just I don't see
how they don't win thirty eight games.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Do you see them as a team that starts the
season fast or slow in they end the season strong?

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Good question. I think, assuming they are healthy, I think
they're going to be fairly consistent. Not to cop out
on the answer, because we know who they are, right,
I mean, I don't think the main core of what
they have are guys that are used to playing with
one another, so it's not like a huge reacclamation in

(44:52):
terms of their roster. The only reason why I ask
this is obviously you're missing the Miles Turners defense, and
I think you're missing some of the voices out there
on the flo your most active. Yeah, that's true, and
so everyone's got to figure out who that is. But
that's different than learning, like, gosh, I'm not sure where
this guy cuts or where this guy likes the ball,
and that kind of thing. I think they're going to be.

(45:13):
I really do. I think the Pacers are going to
be this year. I'm just talking about in terms of
number of wins in competitive nature. I think they're gonna
be this year what Orlando was a year ago. Like
what was Orlando? The six seeds, seven seed get in
the first round of the playoffs, win maybe a game too.
I think that's who they are. Thirty eight wins, slam
dunk absolute slam dunk for reference to Miami Heat won

(45:36):
thirty seven games a year ago. Yeah, they're gonna be
better than the Heat, right, Orlando was forty one and
forty one. There you go, strive to be the magic.
Maybe Steven Holder next telling you out in the deads
there are gonna be some lost wages on people that
do not buy into the Pacers at over thirty eight,
biggest slam dunk of all time over thirty seven and

(45:59):
a half, Jacob thirty eight. I'm telling you they're gonna
win over over over hiring injury. Knock on Wood joining
us now on the Java House Peel and Poor Guest line.
He is with ESPN dot Com and I would assume
has been busy today, not unlike you folks who have

(46:20):
a Kicker on buy in your fantasy league, scouring over
the waiver wires. And we'll begin with this Stephen Holder
with Spencer Schrader in the news that he is out
now for the year. I had not heard if there
is any development today, and that's why I'm teeing you
up for this, and that is the Colts in terms
of movement at Kicker and if anything has developed in
the last twenty four hours, so.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
I think we're close. We actually just heard from Special
Teams coordinator Brian Mason and he says they have worked
out Kickers today. They are still deliberating on who they're
going to sign, which means they probably have but they
just aren't ready to announce it. But anyhow, he says

(47:03):
that that is you know, the decisions forthcoming there. And
the other interesting little tidbit there is that he did
reveal that there is a possibility that punter Rigoberto Sanchez
could potentially do the kickoffs moving forward. You know, he
did that in Strader's absence on Sunday, And if you

(47:26):
recall before he tore his achilles tendon a couple of
years ago, he was regularly the kickoff specialist. They have
decided in the last couple of years to kind of
preserve him a little bit and not have as much
wear and tear on his leg, to not have him
do the kickoffs, because that's more practice, that's more game snaps,

(47:47):
all of that. So they pulled back, but they're now
open to it again. And the interesting thing there, this
is more kicking information than people care about, perhaps, but
the interesting thing there, I think is that Rigoberto Sanchos
was a fantastic kickoff specialist, and his specialty, as far

(48:08):
as I recall, was placing the ball in the sort
of perfect locations as opposed to you know, having the
big leg. He would put the ball right in the corner.
He put it right on the freaking pylon. And I
think with the new kickoff format, he could be a
really interesting option. So anyway, that's where we're at right now.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Okay, I wanted to also ask yesterday I saw that
they worked out a cornerback in a safety and this
you know, this is a position Stephen obviously that has
been a need for the Colts since, you know, just
due to attrition. But it kind of is one of
those positions or areas of the field that you're always

(48:49):
looking for guys when we see things like, you know, hey,
Lewis Klein, the safety worked out with the Colts. When
we see reports like that, does that jump out at
us or is this actually something that is routine and
just seems to be out of the ordinary because of
the fact that they've had attrition at that position.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Well, it's all all of the above. The Colts do
do this a lot, and let's be flair about that.
They will take a look at a lot of guys
and that is something they do regularly. However, I think
the context here is Mike Hilton is banged up and
I am not entirely certain what his status is, but

(49:33):
you know, there is certainly an injury there, even if
he misses a week, right, I mean, that's that's an issue.
When we still don't have you any kind of update
on Kenny Moore, who, by the way, I did talk
to Kenny Moore recently. And what he told me is
like he says, the Achilles is going to be fine.
He says it was kind of inflamed and it needs

(49:56):
to kind of calm down, is what he said. And
he said that takes a couple weeks. So he's missed
two games. We'll see if he's back to practice tomorrow.
That would alleviate a lot of their problems. But but
you certainly don't want to rush a guy who's you know,
dealing with achilles pain. Okay, Steven, as we as we
know well in these parts by the way.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah, no kidding, right, you know, goes to that saying,
you know, with I saw that ESPN dot com right now,
you know you've got it up their their power rankings.
I believe they now have Colts the fifth. You did
the right up for it, obviously, and the Colts are fifth,
I should say, in the power rankings. So I keep

(50:39):
going back to this, Steven and weighing back, and I
think you're on the same page with me here because
of just precedent and maybe just naturally being incredulous, I
think to myself, they're not really a top five team,
are they? And then I'm like, you know what, but
they are because you have to go with the current, right,

(50:59):
You've got to go with the now now, and you
look around and you're like, you know, nobody else is
stepping forward and the culture doing what good teams do.
They're not winning games, Steven, They're beating people handily that
they're supposed to beat handily, and therefore they look to
me very complete question I would have for you, Steven
Holder is what is it that holds them back at

(51:20):
this point? What is their achilles that has yet to
be exposed?

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Well, it is the right question, but I would say
before before going on to the specific answer, I think
this is a very interesting season in the NFL. I mean,
we are five weeks in. If I'm not mistaken, no
one's undefeated, and so I mean, what are we even
talking about? Who's even good? Who are the quote unquote

(51:46):
elite teams? The Buffalo Bills sure looks beatable the other night,
the Kansas City Chiefs are sitting here trying to figure out,
well can they make the playoffs? The Eagles have some issues,
like a few issues they have to deal with, you know,
and they're the holders of the trophy right now. So

(52:06):
the timing of this for the Colts might be amazing,
Like for them to have gotten their act together, it
took them a hell of a long time. But the
fact that this is the year they decided to get
their act together is kind of interesting, at least through
five weeks, because we were here. We were sitting here
thinking of the AFC as this murderers row and it

(52:27):
could be you know eventually, but right now, who are
you even scared of? Like, who's the team that you
would say, well, don't want to play those guys, Stephen?

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Is it is it too early to put a fork
in the ravens?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Man? It's hard to come back from what they're dealing
with right now. Man, it just really is. I think
I'm starting to think it's not too early. I don't
know that it is, because here's the thing. There are problems. Look,
Lamar Jackson's going to come back, Okay, great, But how
has that helped their defense which is a complete disaster.

(53:02):
And I don't know that. I don't know that they
have enough. I don't know. I mean, I'm telling you,
the day out of that hole is going to be
really tough. So I will get briefly to what you
asked me initially, because I should answer your question, you know,
what's going to hold them back?

Speaker 4 (53:19):
The Colts.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
I mean, I think injuries always right, but I think
going beyond that, I think the secondary has to hold up.
You know, because if you start hitting these tougher quarterbacks
later in the season, which they will do, they're going
to be susceptible to big plays. So they have to

(53:41):
be able to hold up because right now they're playing
with big leads in many cases. So there have been
some there have been some misques that have kind of
gone under the radar because you know, when you're up
three touchdowns, what difference does it make? But you're not
going to have that every week. I mean, that's a
that's a you know that, that's that's a that's not

(54:03):
a reality of the NFL. You know that you win
by three touchdowns or four touchdowns every week. And so
I think the Rams game is a great example of that.
But that's one thing, right that the defense giving up
thik place, and that is you know, that is rare
to tell a few times. I also think that uh,
the you know, the defensive line just got to continue

(54:26):
to intensive by the pass rush as those quarterbacks get
tougher on the back half of the season as well.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
By the way, Eddie, when it comes to the National
Football League, we have breaking news, is that correct?

Speaker 2 (54:43):
A divisional trade in the AFC West the Cincinnati Bengals
or AFC North. The Cincinnati Bengals are acquiring Joe Flacco
from the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Hmmm, interesting, Steven, your thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Oh, that is super interesting. I'm not sure how much
it helps.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
But it kind of like the Washington Wizards trading for
Gilbert Arenas, doesn't it right?

Speaker 3 (55:16):
I mean, hey, I guess if you're the Bengals right now,
you'll try anything, right. They were clearly done with with
their current situation. Yeah, exactly. I think they they had
reached a point where they thought they needed to do something.
I mean, I saw a reporter earlier where Zach Taylor

(55:38):
said he's going to retain the play calling duties. I mean,
when when you're at that point, they're bad, right, when
you're starting to ask the coach, wait, you're gonna keep playing?
You're gonna keep calling plays? Really? What that means You're
having a bad week for a bad month, so you know,
desperate times, that's desperate measures, I guess. But I don't
think slackos the answer. He's being honest with you. I mean,

(56:02):
love the guy.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
But we'll see, Steven. Somebody asked me this before we
let you go. I wanted to ask this because it's
a good question and it's one that perhaps I'm premature
with it, but it's going to be a topic. And
that is because Daniel Jones was signed to a one
year contract with the Colts. Is he in the same
category as a veteran player where he can get a

(56:26):
contract extension before going into free agency? Or is the
one year veteran deal that he signed one that in
order for the Colts to retain him they will have
to make a wager for him in free agency like
anyone else at the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
So I actually I looked this up or actually tapped
into a source of mind to clarify this, because this
hask come up on this show and I and maybe
even another one lately, and I wanted to make sure
I was one hundred percent right. So it's the complicated answer,
but here's here's the simplest way to think about it.

(57:05):
They could, in theory, resign Daniel Jones to an or
extend I should say extend Daniel Jones right now. They
could do it five minutes from now if they want. Technically, however,
there are some there are some mentalities that make that tough.
So for example, the player's cap number, So his current

(57:26):
cap number which is like fourteen points something million dollars,
that cannot increase after executing the new contract. So how
would you do this? How would you sign this this
player to a very expensive contract extension without increasing the
current cap number. The only way to do that would
it would be to give him no money up front.

(57:49):
And frankly, if you're if you are, if you're a
Daniel Jones, there's no incentive for you to sign a
contract with know signing bonus right if you're having a
great season. So, and this isn't going to happen now.
I think this conversation is more a matter of like
January February, right, They're not going to do this now.

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They have plenty of time. They have his rights until
early March, so there's no need to even go there
while you know the meal is still being cooked, if
you will. But but I do think this will become
a conversation for us, you know, as we get to
maybe like the NFL combine around that time, and the
idea of him hitting free agency starts to come up.

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You have to start thinking about this. So the other
thing to mention here, the Colts have the secret weapon.
They have the franchise tag. And I think you would
be one thousand percent willing to franchise tag him if
he keeps playing well because at worst you're getting the
market rate for a guy of that production. Right, the

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franchise tag is it's a lot of money, but you know,
in a one year situation when you have no quarterback,
it's worth it, right, So I think there they'll be fine,
and they will if they so choose, they will be
able to retain Daniel Jones. I don't think it'll be
a big deal.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Okay, last question, Steven on your way out here, and
that is over the course of today, we are looking
at or anticipating the possibility of announcements from the cults
of signing players in what position, Well.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Kicker for sure, potentially secondary depending on the status of
Mike Hilton, and you know, we'll see how close Kenny
Moore is. But that's a factor there as well. So
particularly that slot corner, because right now you're kind of
down to Makai Beckman, who black excuse me, who apparently

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can't stay on a seat. For the love of God,
you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
And I'll tell you what. Got a lot of reps,
got a lot of raps last Sunday, no question you did.
But earned his paycheck and a.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Great pick on it in his on his part too.
But a great interception should a scored. But you know
we're not picking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Speaking of speaking, a great pick and picky Trevor Lawrence
caught with both of them last night before a game
winning drive. Just so you know, if you're watching that game, you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Know you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
That's right, all right, Steven, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
More more information than you needed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
That's exactly correct. Yes, Steven Holder joining us from ESPN
dot Com. Interesting news there about Joe Flacco because Flacco
obviously you know that for Cincinnati, basically what that is is, Look,
we just need somebody to hold serve for us. They've
got weapons. I mean, if Jake Browning. I watched a

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little of that Detroit Cincinnati game on Sunday, and Browning,
who's a guy that I thought was certainly capable of
a kind of big arm stuff because he did it
last year in stretches and Eddie. There were two plays,
two drives where he at one point he threw up
an interception and I mean it was like eight yard

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shy of where it needed to be. It was just like,
what in the world is he doing?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Yeah, I know, no idea, Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
And then I think it was overturned, and he threw
another one. No, that one was not overturn. He ended
up throwing three.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
But there were times I was watching that game too,
It's like, dude, you're not looking in the right spot totally.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
I mean he looked completely out to lunch right. Oh yeah.
With that offense and those players, then you would think
that just simply competency. I think there are a lot
of people that are like, why not Jameis Winston and
I get it, right. I mean my guess is that

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the familiarity within the division of Joe Flacco that's possible
probably weighs a little bit into that, and you kind
of know what you're getting there, right. I mean, not
that you don't with Winston, but you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I mean with Winston, you know you could get three
hundred yards five touchdowns, and you could also get three picks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Hey, Jake, two seventy is the text line number, also
the phone number. Now, I told you that, and I
can't remember the name of the gentleman that called me
yesterday on my cell phone that said that he's banned,
said he's been banned from the station. I said, we'll
call in tomorrow. I'm happy to have you on. I've
never been given any name. Seemed like a nice guy.
Said he's called in today and nobody answered. Let me

(01:02:15):
read you the exact message that he sent to me.
This seems aggressive. Hey, mister Query, I told you they
banned me, and you said to go ahead and call
in the show. Well, I've called in today over and
over and no one has answered. And I'm going to
put it in PG version here to heck with you

(01:02:37):
and to everyone else, to heck with every one of you. Okay,
I'm just how do I always end up being like
the fall guy here when I'm like, I'm just the middleman.
You know, I'm a nice guy. Hey, Jake, we're talking
about Shane Styke and this from Josh and Fountain City.
Do you think the growth that we've seen in stich
in this year perhaps could be because of no more

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do you have an owner inserting himself on the coach
or the general manager and thus changing building philosophy. I
do think it's an unfair and uncomfortable thing to say,
and I don't know whether or not Jim or Say
was guilty of overstepping. I think there were times. I

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think certainly the Sam Ellinger situation, and that was not
in the Shane Stiken era. But do perhaps the head
coach and the general manager feel like they have more
they that they have more freedom and less scrutiny in
terms of just fewer people to run things past. Possibly,

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I don't think that can be ruled out Jake. Everybody
forgets that Shane almost made the playoffs with Gardner Minshew.
That from Gary Jake, it feels like to AFC is
setting up to be a conference where the six or
seven seed gets on a run at the end of
the year and then makes the Super Bowl. That's a

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good point, like Lamar Jackson gets back, Baltimore makes a run,
or say the Steelers, Browns and Bengals already are seemed
to be better in that division. The Chiefs are going
to be fully healthy and have Rashid Rice back in
Week seven. All good points, right, no question, all good points.

(01:04:29):
You know. I just think every year you get the
team as we talked about that midway through October into
early November, you're like, are they good? And I think
we're already there this year. And whoever would have guessed
it was the Colt SETI I mean we each made

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our prediction, we each made our guests as to who
it was going to be. I said, I thought it'd
be the Raiders. They're terrible. Matt Verderram accurately said the
team that was going to be the mister Fire would
be the Dolphins. They've they've turned it around a little bit,
but they I mean they're going nowhere. Uh to be
honest with you, Eddie, right now. And this does change,
it fluctuates over the course of the year. But the

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team where the wheels have come off, you want to
say who that is right now? The team right now
where the wheels have come off. At the beginning of
the year, we said there's always some team that midway
through the year, you're like, what happened to them? And
I think we know now who it is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I think we do as well. AFC or Nfcuh AFC.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Correct. Let me ask you this nine and a half
hour drive from here, ten hour drive from here. No, okay?
Is it a team with a Major League Baseball town? Yes,
an American League or National League team, National League. See
you and I are going to disagree. You're going to
say the Bengals. No, okay, this is let me. This

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is a team that you expected to be better. Is
that what you're saying?

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Better than what they currently are.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Your prediction for this particular team I believe was going
to be Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Correct initially going into the season. Yes, and it is
not Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
It's not Pittsburgh. You're gonna say it is Houston. It
is not Houston. Okay, go ahead and hit me Miami. Yeah, yeah,
that's what I said. I mean with Miami's the one
that that you know. Verda Am said that as well.
I think at this point the team you would say
is Baltimore. It's not entirely their fault, but Baltimore. I mean,

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they may be done.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
They might not say to win the conference.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Here's the thing I don't disagree with that. I think
from a talent standpoint and experience standpoint, a game changer
standpoint you have to take Baltimore seriously, and you look
at their upcoming states that they are starting to me
directly get into a situation where precedent says, it's a
really big hole to come out of. Look at their
upcoming schedule. So they have Los Angeles at home this week,

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then they have as Rams, Okay, then they have Chicago, Miami, Minnesota, Cleveland,
the Jets, the Bengals, the Steelers, the Bengals, the Patriots,
the Packers, the Steelers. It's pretty doable, very doable, especially
when you look at where things are at within that division.
Right now, You've got Cincinnati. Are they gonna be able

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to hang in there now with Joe Flacco until Joe
Burrow can come back. Cleveland's a disaster, right, Cleveland's a disaster.
It's Pittsburgh for real at three and one. Do we
know doesn't Pittsburgh do this to you every year? Every year?
Aren't you like Pittsburgh? Okay, they're gonna be okay, nine
and eight, maybe ten and seven.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Steelers have a pretty daunting schedule coming up relatively quickly. Packers, Colts, Chargers.
Half of the AFC North plays in the same state.
That state is half of the AFC North plays in
the same state. Yes, and that state is it's not Ohio?

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Yes? Right, half of the AFC North plays in the
same state. Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
There are four teams. Yeah, some reason I was thinking
there's five. I don't know why. So I was thinking
of Major League.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Baseball oh Hio, Ohio and their college coach Ryan Day
said something very interesting about Indiana, which I'll explain next.
You know, it's raining, but the leaves haven't started falling, really, right,
they have not they.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Have We didn't started changing colors yet.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Isn't that crazy? So therefore, and we have not yet gotten,
not yet gotten, excuse me, received, thank you. We have
not received the annual mom querry PSA. It's probably a
matter of time. I never ask for it. It just
it's it's like the cherub On Monument Circle, the downtown

(01:09:09):
cherub No one asks for it. It just appears nobody else.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
It's like your bad analogies. Nobody asks for them, but
they still keep coming.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
People love those kids. In particular. Yesterday, I was at
the safeway of the fifty six and old and I
walked in. Little kid comes up immediately, he said, that's
the first thing he said to me, I love you analogies,
I said, well, thank you, little youngster, a bit of
a speech impediment. Nice kid like my analogies.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Well, he brought up your analogies over the get to
know your listener.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Yes, well, and here's the thing, get to know your listener.
It's only we've done market research on that and had
meetings about it, and they tell us that kids love it.
But in terms of my analogies, I know for a
fact kids actually do love it. They go crazy over it.
Ryan Day is the head football coach of the Ohio
State Buckeyes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Using his just for men again, didn't his.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Wife Didn't his wife come out and say that he's
not using that on Like the biggest telltale sign that
you're using some sort of grease and formula in your
beard is not necessarily when it drips down into your
shirt after a sweaty game, but when your wife is
getting on and saying, by the way, unsolicited, she says this,
by the way, he is not putting any formula his beard.

(01:10:25):
While that right there, You know, all I have to
say to you, folks is this, if you are worried
about okay, if you're worried about your hair going gray. Like, guys, guys,
if you're worried about going gray, easiest thing to do
just just keep it real close on the sides. If

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you keep it close on the sides, you can't like
like this bad boy right here, what you're looking at
right here, Eddie silver fox Right, But I just go
in one one and a half guard, good to go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Now, what about the top the back?

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Well, I don't have the bis quick right, I mean,
I'm not going with like the mullet totally where it's like,
you know, party in the front business and the back
type deal. But I'm fortunate that to this point you
can see my hair. What percentage of the this part
are we seeing silver shining through?

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
I'm mean a lot more or less on your sides.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
It's getting there though, Oh yeah, I mean it's definitely
getting there. Like the sides are basically if we're talking snow,
the sides are essentially at this point the Arctic circle.
The top a little more like northern Indiana late November.
Ryan Day, though, is the head coach of number one

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Ohio state. They have upcoming Illinois. Okay, Illinois, that's right.
He was asked about trying to learn about Illinois based
on their game with Indiana. Quote pitch the game, throw
it out. He later going on to comparing it to

(01:12:02):
Nebraska last year, saying that they tried to learn from
the Nebraska game, but Nebraska had been beaten by forty
nine by Indiana. So his implication here is that you
cannot learn anything about the fact or take solace in
the fact that Illinois was beaten soundly by Indiana, because

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Indiana soundly beats a lot of people and a lot
of good teams. That is, in fact a compliment from
Ryan Day about Indiana, and Derek Schultz had a post
and he's exactly correct. Who in the world ever would
have thought that we would live to the day where

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the coach of a number one team and the country
would reference not one, but two Indiana games as you
can't use that as a benchmark because Indiana is that
much better than so many people Indiana right now. It
is very similar to the Colts. I use football, and

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what they're doing under Kurt Signetti is very similar to
the Colts in this regard. The both teams beat teams
they're supposed to beat soundly, right, number one and number two,
So not only are they soundly beating teams that they're

(01:13:29):
supposed to beat and getting leads and then just compounding
and compounding and compounding. But in addition to that, they
are in the mix of when you look at it
and you say, I don't know that they're a top
ten team, and I think more people feel that about
Indiana than that. I think people are more sold on
Indiana as a top ten team than they are the

(01:13:51):
acceptance of the fact that the Colts are a top
five team, let's say, because of what Indiana did a
year ago, so like there's precedent there of well, yeah,
I mean, you know, they's just carrying on. Having said that, though,
if you look at college football right now, Eddie, and
you look at the college football Playoff, and I know
it's very early for this and there's a lot of
football to be played, but I think undoubtedly Ohio State

(01:14:14):
is the number one team in the country. But who's
number two? Who's the I don't mean ranking wise, I
mean who do you feel is the second best team
in college football?

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
With John Mattier healthy? I thought it was Oklahoma. Okay, okay,
I had a nice staying at home against Michigan. They've
had some other good wins.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
I think Miami is certainly in the discussion, right I mean,
Miami's got a couple of impressive wins, and after that,
I mean Texas A and M actually has a pretty
impressive resume.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Oregon Ole Miss, but Texas A.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
And M is the Penn State of the South, right
where every year you're like, oh my gosh, here's seven
to Zho A and M. They're going in against Texas
or Oklahoma, and then they get eat and then the
next week it turns around and you're like, how in
the world do they just lose to Kansas State. I'm
going to make a statement right now that kind of

(01:15:15):
pains me to make, Okay, but if you went to
Saint Richard's, if you went to Saint Pius, if you
went to Cecina or Ron Collier Cathedral, then you're gonna
love what I'm about to say. The only reason I

(01:15:35):
say that is because the vast majority people who attended
those schools that I just mentioned are in fact fans
of this team for the obvious reason. But beyond that,
if you're a fan of Indiana basketball from nineteen seventy
five to nineteen ninety five, you're gonna love what I
say because most of those people are fans of this program,

(01:15:56):
and it pains me to say it, and it's weird
to say it because of things. If you look at
their schedule. But my name is Jake Querry.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Hello, Jake, Hello, my name's Eddie Garrison.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Hello, Eddie. I do a radio program in Indianapolis called
Query and Company. And I grew up in Indianapolis, Indiana.
And I'm not a fan of this team. But I
am prepared right now, on this the seventh day of
October of twenty twenty five, to declare on the radio
right now that I do, in my heart believe that No.
Tre Dame is one of the best eight teams in

(01:16:34):
college football. I know that they lost to Miami in Miami.
I know that they lost kind of flucishly, no disrespect
to Texas A and M at home to Texas A
and M. And I know that they have not really
been tested since then. But like the Colts, No tre Dame,

(01:16:56):
like Indiana, is doing what good teams and great teams do.
That is, when they are going against subpar competition, they
are emphatically beating them. And when you look at their schedule,
they still have remaining on their schedule and they've played. Listen.

(01:17:16):
I have made a living getting in debates with people
about the schedule or the quality of schedule of Notre Dame.
But their schedule this year is good. It's not their
fault that Boise State is down. Boise State at the
time that that agreement was made was a top ten program.
Kudos to them for having them on the schedule. A
and M in Miami. I mean, that is a stout

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one to two combo to open, no question about it.
Even though A and M every year, every year, Texas
A and M every single Texas A and M is
like the weather great in October, terrible by December every year, right,

(01:17:59):
beautiful in September, not so good mid December every year.
But to go and you know, to lose to A
and M at home last minute, and to go to Miami,
and now you know, those two losses are standing the
test of time to this point pretty nicely. They need
A and M to uphold their into the bargain and

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continue with what they're doing because it looks good for them.
It looks favorable for them. Penn State, though, yeesh, Texas,
whoof are the biggest boosters in Penn State and State College.
Asking the area code for Bloomington. I'm just curious, Is

(01:18:45):
it possible? Is it possible? Two thir nine, ten seventy
is the telephone number. Feel free to chime in. Scott
Agne is going to join us about twelve minutes from now.
That is because Pacers in Action. They take on the
Timberwolves tonight we come back. We have a ticket giveaway
to get too. We have tickets to give away, correct, Eddie,
we got lots of tickets, all right, we do have

(01:19:07):
lots of tickets. I'm looking at it right now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
You're actually looking at the show docum when they put
together every day.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
I am that's a first. Well, usually it's up by
sometime around eleven fifty six. Okay, So the tickets to
give away, we're going to do a little get to
know your listener and would you like to see We'll
even give you a choice because we have three to
give away, MGK, Dave Alltel and Kansas not the Kansas.
I flunked out of Kansas. The band great Band, two

(01:19:33):
thirty nine, ten seventy. We'll do it next, Okay. So
we have tickets to give away to a couple of
shows MGK which is coming up over the summer, but
a couple of these are very soon. David Teal is
going to be here at the Old National at the
Mirat coming up on Saturday, that's this weekend. And Kansas,
who you just heard right there, is playing at ever

(01:19:56):
Wise coming up on Friday night. That's going to be
a fabulous show because not only are they a great band,
not only do they follow me on the expost Twitter,
by the way, Eddie, but Kansas also the It's going
to be a beautiful night. And that's both those are
great venues, absolutely great venues. But but to be outside
this Friday night, I think it's going to be spectacular.

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Do you know, by the way, one of my strange
skill sets that I have, Eddie, I can tell you,
not for all, but for the vast majority, roughly eighty
four percent. I can tell you the you name the state.
I can tell you the nickname, like Indiana's the Hoosier State.
You know, Illinois is the land of Lincoln. Do you
know what Kansas is? No, that should be one of

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the trivia questions we ask. And I'm not necessarily going
to hold anybody to having to get it correct in
order to go, because we're going to give the tickets away.
We'll begin with Kandas, who joins us on the program.
This I believe is female listener number thirty. Eddie, you
happen to have to break a new sounder. This just
in This number has oscillated a few times, but I
believe Candas makes thirty four us unless you called him before, Kansas?

(01:21:01):
Have you called the program before.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
I have?

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Eddie?

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Do you have an.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
It?

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Just back to twenty nine in our oscillation? Hi, Kandas?
How are you just fine?

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Could you have lied him gone with an alias next time?
By chance?

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
I'm not that bride to think him an alien?

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
All right? Candas, you sound fun? Are you a fan
of Kansas or do you just like the fact that
it's fun to say Kansas and Kansas? I actually am
a fan of it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:35):
My husband got me. I was born a pastor's daughter,
and so we didn't listen to rock and roll or anything.
And my husband got me connected to it when we
got married.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
And that's what we do on Friday night and listen
to the.

Speaker 5 (01:21:47):
Old seventies and eighties, and Kansas is one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
I love it, Kandas. That's cool. Now, where did you
grow up here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
In Indianapolis, Indiana?

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
All right, fair enough? And then what high school?

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
Well, here's your here's your trivia.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
I went to a small Baptist high school.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
On the south side of Indianapolis that was not called.

Speaker 5 (01:22:11):
Baptist High It was called at the time Baptist Academy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
And I think they've changed their name.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Okay, Now let me ask you this I've always heard
now Candas, and I don't. I don't mean this in
a todd re sense, okay, But the rumor growing up
was that kids who you know, whose parents were, you know,
like the preacher's son, preacher's daughter, all those things. Uh,
they were the party kids. True or false?

Speaker 6 (01:22:37):
Well, in our household it was false.

Speaker 5 (01:22:41):
My dad was so strict, Oh my gosh. No, and
then I was just too afraid to do anything when
I got out.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Of the house.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
That's cool. You sound fun though, Like you said, you
guys will be awesome to go to Kansas with. Right,
what's your husband's name. His name is Jeff, Jeff Candas
and Jeff on your already he goes to Kansas.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Is that Central Christian Academy do we get the high school?

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Right? Is it Central Christian Academy?

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Yeah? I think yet they're on Billa Avenue.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Yet, also known as CCA. Look at you, Eddie, Look
at Eddie.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
All right, Candace, I appreciate you turning into the program.
We will get you on your way. Now, here's the thing.
If you are Daniel a wait man and hold on,
is this jewel or Julie jewel? Okay, so let's go
to Daniel first. Daniel's got to be pumped up because Daniel,
you want to go see Kansas as well?

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Right? Yes, I do.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Now, Daniel, don't you agree If you're going to be
there with Kansas and Jeff and I'm assuming the seats
are going to be in proximity with one another, they
sound fun, right, Daniel? Do you have a favorite song
from Kansas? I was gonna say you got to go
with dustin the win, right, I mean, after all, if
you've ever seen Bill and Ted's right? All right, Daniel,

(01:23:55):
we're gonna send you on your way. That was quick
and easy for Daniel. So Daniel is on his way now. Scott,
on the other hand, Scott would like to go see
David tel that's also coming up this weekend at the
Mirot at the Old National Center. Hi Scott, how are
you okay?

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Very good man? This is the same Scott Mini marathon
Scott about some big melon there with that you're working with.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
I do recall that as a matter of fact, Scott,
you ran the mini marathon in a Rick Smith's jersey?
Did you not?

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Absolutely absolutely correct? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Are you doing the mini coming up this May?

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
I've done fifteen straight. I got a bet with my brother,
the dude twenty five in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
So how old a fella are you now, Scott?

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
I'll be forty in a month, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
And how long have you been stacking milk creates today?
That's just kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Yeah, No, I'm moving buckets right now to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Joh, you're moving buckets. You're moving buckets.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
Yeah, My buckets can tool different stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
You do a lot of plumbing work, so I got
to constantly in it out, in and out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
So you're just laying pipe all day.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Yeah, they basically at work and at home.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
That's what I like to hear. That's what I'd like
to hear, Scott. All right, well i'll tell you what
start training for the many and you will enjoy the
show coming up this weekend, and I will see you
in the mini marathon for number sixteen for you all right,
we got two more to give away. Here's a right
or one more?

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
One more with two contestants.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
I'll let you pick Eddie, you dial him up, I'll
let you pick.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
I'll go with Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
Hi, Chris, how are you doing well?

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
Sir? How are you? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
I can't complain you're driving right now? Hands at ten
and two If you are.

Speaker 6 (01:25:31):
I'm kind of at one in three, okay?

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Also also acceptable. How are the road conditions? By the way,
it was a little misty when I came in.

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
No, it's real good out here on the east side.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
No rain today, No rain today. I was doing the
monon over the weekend and I went past White River
now known as White Ditch. We need some rain, is
what I'm getting at there. Chris. You know what I mean?
A little dry?

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
I understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Yeah, Chris, how old a fell are you? If you
don't mind me asking.

Speaker 6 (01:26:00):
I am a spry sixty five.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Okay, Well, I mean listen nothing or ONNG with that.
You sound spry, do you? I am just out of
curiosity when we occasionally do, and believe me, it's at
the bag of our bosses. It is occasional when we
do the get to know your caller segment, which kids
love and we've had a lot of research on that.
Do you find yourself as a listener enjoying the get
to know your listener segment or rather just something that

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you need to wade through kind of like the ditch
of White River when there's no rain.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
So I do like the get to know your listener?

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Okay, anything you want to add in that we need
to know about you? Chris, Well, I'm a huge Kansas fan.
The band of the basketball team, or football or football
or Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
No, no, no, no, the band for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Chris. Do you happen to know have you been to
the state of Kansas?

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:26:52):
I never have.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Okay, do you know what their nickname is? For example? Like,
give me a state off the top of your head, Chris,
there's a little skill I have. Give me any state,
any state at all.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Let's go Arkansas.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Arkansas, I believe is the natural state. Now can you
look that up for me, Eddie if you could. I
believe Arkansas, though, is the natural state. Is their nickname?
But you are correct. Well, yes, think it's a little skill.
I have eighty four percent. I can usually hit Chris.
Kansas is the sunflower state. Just so you know, I
think I heard that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
Isn't it the wheat state too?

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Well, again, interesting question. It is known for its wheat.
As a matter of fact, when you pull into Kansas,
they have a huge sign that says the Kansas Wheat
Farmer feeds eleven people and you. And then if you
go to a Kansas basketball game, they put their arms
in the air and they wave it back and forth
to simulate the wave of the grains of wheat. So
it is known for its wheat, but it is the

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sunflower state. There you go. It's more info about Kansas
than you'd ever need to know. But you also are
on your way to go see them in the band.
We will get you either tickets and I appreciate you listen.
I've also heard it called the Garden of the West, Eddie.
You got the Gateway to the West, which is in Missouri,
which also borders Kansas, just so you know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
In the bread Basket of the World, that's another nickname
for Kansas, apparently.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
The bread basket of the world. Yes, now, I do
know this. I know that in there was I had
buddies from McPherson, Kansas when I was at KU and
I'm like, where exactly is McPherson And they're like, it's
the staple in your book when you opened up a
map of the United States, because it's like right in
the middle of the state, and you know when you
open the map. I'm like, Okay, that's a good way
of saying it. Scott Agnes joins us next Pacers in

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Action tonight, taking on the Timberwolves. A couple of interesting
points and players to watch. We'll discuss with him next
Pacers in Action tonight, taking on the Minnesota Timberwolves. Minnesota,
by the way, the Land of ten Thousand Lakes. Joining
us now on the Java House peeling poor guest line.

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He's a guy that probably you could see working at
a Java House coffee outlet near you. Scott Agnes joining
us from Fieldhouse Files and Scott, I'll begin with this.
We were talking about the Pacers earlier and one of
the things that I'm most interested in. So before I guess,
I tip my hand and lead to witness with my

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own answer. The player or players that you are the
most intrigued to see what they're able to do here
at the outset of the season and through the preseason
would be.

Speaker 5 (01:29:25):
Who, First of all, great Jake with Java House, big fan.
But for me, it's all about the center position. Jake,
we got two players coming off achilles tendon injuries less
than a year ago. To me, I'm circling the center
spot and seeing what's Isaiah Jackson, what James Wiseman and
to the bigger point, what Jay Houff looked like?

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
That's it. And by the way, the are you a
coffee guy? Are you more the latte guy? What do
you go with? Scott?

Speaker 5 (01:29:52):
More black coffee? Most of the time I'll mix in
a latte in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
The Colombian is very good because it's amazingly smooth. And yeah, yeah,
I'm curious to see how amazingly smooth the Pacers' bigs
are because and not just Scott, because I think Isaiah
Jackson was so I loved when he would get minutes
in spot minutes and at times significant minutes when he

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was healthy, and then he had the achilles injury. And
it goes without saying that I'm intrigued to see both
He and James Wiseman how much bounce they still have,
because that was what separated both of them when healthy,
even though Wiseman it was elsewhere. I mean, we didn't
see him much here, but you know, just because I'm

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so fascinated by the Tyrese Haliburton recovery, and I know
that everybody is different, Scott, I know that, but so
far from what you've been able to see in very
limited exposure to them, does it look like, and you
can go with both of them individually here, how much
step potentially does it look like either may have lost?

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
Yeah, I would say just so far, so good. I thought.
At the fan gym in particular.

Speaker 5 (01:31:02):
They both had had some good minutes, both had some
athletic points. Whether it was jumping, blocking, leaping, forget, whatever
the sequence was, that didn't matter to me. It was
more did they recover, did they hesitate? Did they have
a quick first step? And I was encouraged by what
I saw, But it's also a step above a practice.

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So that's why starting tonight will be so important, because
first of all, we were all curious to see what
James Wiseman looked like last year, and it happened in
game one in the first five minutes. And then to
your point, with Isaiah Jackson, you could really saw him,
could see him carving out like an eighteen to twenty
minute backup role last year, which obviously never really got

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to fruition. And while I agree with the Pacers that
they can find ways to fill the hole that was
left behind it with Miles Turner, I think one that's
going to take some time and mostly just building chemistry
with whatever lineup they decide to go with, which I
believe will start with Isaiah Jackson followed by Jay Help
at that position. But I do not want to overlook it,

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and that's why it's my number one thing without question.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Yeah, I think and Scott not to dwell on this,
but when you look at Halliburton and the video that
I've seen, I know that you know he was shooting
the other day and he's done different things, and people
myself included, get excited by that. But then I have
to temper myself because I'm like, look, he is not

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it's certainly no time soon is he coming back, And
I don't know whether or not his And so this
is my question for you, Scott. With Halliburton, the steps
that he's made to this point, does he seemingly appear
to be above schedule, I mean ahead of schedule or
basically is everything going about what they anticipated?

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
Yeah, my sense is he's just slightly ahead of the schedule,
just on the various checkpoints in terms of getting out
of a boot, moving to his shoe part time. The
other night, I think it was Saturday, they had their
Golden Gala dress. Shoes doesn't seem like much, but to me,
that's an uncomfortable shoe most time. So that's encouraging that
he's able to do that, that he's able to get
shots up and walk around fine without a limp. So

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I think all signs are encouraging. But yes, like you said,
I also want to stress it's going to take time,
and he needs to take all the time necessary because
guys recover from this injury in particular at various speeds,
and we've seen several of them here with Edam and Sumner,
with these two lately.

Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
And even to go back a decade with Tamika Catchings
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
The kind of mixed signal Scott, because Chad Buchanan had
said and I can't remember when or where it was,
probably was with JMV, although it might have been at
the end of the year in a presser that he
thought that he was open to the fact or was
admitting to the fact that this year there was the
possibility that the Pacers were going to slow pace a

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little bit. We had Aaron Nesmith on a couple of
weeks ago and he said, absolutely not, there's not going
to be any slow pace at all. We anticipate playing fast.
And you know, Eddie was mentioning through what he saw
they so far are doing exactly that. What do you
anticipate for let's say the first month, that the average
pace is going to be for them.

Speaker 5 (01:34:16):
Yeah, I would say it's probably very similar, if not
just a little bit below what it was last year.
I mean, they've been running at every opportunity. They're still
going to be pressuring at full court, causing chaos. They
know what their standard is, they know where they can
get ahead of opponents, and those are their strengths. These
aren't things they're doing just because they're shorthanded, and I

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think those areas are going to continue even without Hallivern
in particular, and they brought in guards and maybe the
other thing I'm curious for this first month Jake is
how they work the guard rotation, in particular with Ben
Shephard being out in the short term with rookie Cam Jones,
who was brought in and drafted and hoped to be available, well,

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he's gonna miss at least two to three weeks here
to start the season, which I really don't like as
a rookie as he's dealing with an injury, and so
that means he basically misses all of his rookie training camp.

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
So I think the speed will be there.

Speaker 5 (01:35:13):
I'm very curious how the minutes allocation will be given
the different lineups and such. But I think the most
intriguing thing and fun thing I think Jake will be
that second unit with young, aspiring, hungry guys like a
Jaris Walker, Johnny Furfey, guys that have a lot to
show and still a lot to prove.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Scott, something that I noticed when you just mentioned, you know,
picking up full court and whatnot during Fangen was that,
and this is something that may have to change throughout
the course of the seasons that last year Andrew Nimhart
primarily was defending the other team's best score if it
was a guard. I noticed that Bennittigte Maatheren took over
the full court pickup in terms of the defensive you know,

(01:35:54):
the full court defense rather than Andrew Newmart. Is that
something that we can see more of, just to kind
of offload some of the work on Andrew Nimhart's plate
to keep him fresh throughout the course of the season.

Speaker 5 (01:36:05):
Yeah, I think it's just that because you're going from
his number one thing was take on the best defender.
Now his number one thing has got to be to
run the team, to get them organized, to get them
into sets. We got to remember too, the fact how
much of Halliburton was setting things up. Now, a lot
of it was a free flowing offense, red react and
try to capitalize in transition, but a lot of it

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was Haliburton.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
It's needed to.

Speaker 5 (01:36:27):
Call the plays or see something that he could take
advantage of from an offensive standpoint, but then defensively, so
many times he was kind of just a free safety
or whatever. So yeah, I think that's going to be
There's so many different points that are intriguing.

Speaker 4 (01:36:42):
But that's another one is how do.

Speaker 5 (01:36:43):
They handle defensive assignments while still applying pressure Because they
got to allow for Nemhart to get some breathers, to
get some breaks given the heavy workload and higher usage
rate that I'm expecting this upcoming season.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Scott, you just mentioned a guy that I'm really intrigued by,
and I feel like just a good way putting it. Scott,
did you ever watch the TV show The Wire?

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
I have not yet. That's on the to do list.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
I think we've discussed it before. I personally think it's
the greatest show ever done, but that's neither here nor there.
One of the interesting things about it is at the
end of the series, each character you realize kind of
has the next generation right below it that you can
tell is going to replace in society that character, okay, okay.

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On an NBA roster, the last couple of years, we
have seen Jeris Walker be a young player that has
kind of patiently waited his time, gotten into rotation, then
kind of been out, then back in, and then obviously
the injury right when I thought he was ready to
take the next step. Assuming this year, due to attrition,
he is going to get that opportunity for the next step.

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Does Johnny Furfey become the new jarifs Walker? Is this
a guy that we're going to see getting rotation, then
back out of rotation and tease us and and then
just have to wait, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
Yeah, I do think so.

Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
If not, though, I think he might be a step
above in terms of having greater of opportunity here so quickly.
And I really like the short flashes that we have
seen already from him, starting with Summer League and then
going into this last week, because they've only had about
four practices to this point. But Furfee, what he can
do inside and out, I feel like he hasn't stopped

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growing is another thing. And then I think a lot
of it's too, is just learning the game and learning
the league like he was at Kansas for a year,
came as the NBA as a nineteen year old. There
is so much to absorb and soak in over this process,
and then the next thing is a pregame.

Speaker 4 (01:38:41):
He always worked with assistant coach Mike Winer.

Speaker 5 (01:38:43):
Well, that coach has gone, so now there's another adaptation
that you'll have for Johnny Furfey. But yeah, I think
that's spot on, Jake in terms of Johnny's already become
a fan favorite, by the way, which also helps that
case because you know fans are going to be cheering
his name, whether it's a blowout one way or the
or there's an obvious gap for him to maybe slide

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into the rotation for an evening.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Could Johnny Furfey actually move past Jaris Walker in rotation.

Speaker 5 (01:39:13):
Perhaps eventually, I don't think right away. For a number
of reasons. Jeris leaned more on for his defense or
his instincts for those type of things, and I think
Johnny has more to come along from that defensive end.
I think Johnny plays better in terms of playing fast,

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getting up and down the court, getting into something random
like this team likes. But I think Jerri's is further
along in other ways that will lead to him being
ahead in the rotation at least to start.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Scott Agnes's our guest Fieldhouse Files, where you can read
his work Pacers in Action tonight taking on the Timberwolves
in Minnesota. Scott, what do you as you've been around
it and you've gone into you know, everything from media
day to just you know, observing the shoot arounds whatever
it may be, how do you approach or how do

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you how do you I guess decipher the cults or
excuse me, the Pacers like body language, they're approach to
it all. In other words, we as fans in media
are like, okay, gap here, gap year, gap here. It
seems to me like they don't want to hear that, right.
What is their philosophy or approach? What are they preaching?

Speaker 5 (01:40:25):
Yeah, So, like for example, going into last season, I
think a lot of fans were saying, hey, we're we
want to see you keep getting to another series. And
the Pacers, from that standpoint, we're sitting there like, no,
we want to reach the NBA finals. And look what
they did, Like that was true, Like that was not
they were not completely full of it. And so going
into this year, Yeah, you're exactly right, they're not looking

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at as oh, let's just get by, let's see if
we can win forty games and just stay in the
conversation and be relevant. No, you have a lot of
guys that want to continue to elevate their game. Like
I still believe there's a lot more there for even
starters like Andrew Nimhart and Aaron Neismith to take another level.
Obviously a big question at center. We know at this
point exactly what Siakam is. But by the way, I

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continue to praise the front office from that standpoint because
we knew what he could do on the court, but
he has continued to excel and go above and beyond,
and maybe that's just what he read of this situation
and where he needed to contribute.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
But no, I.

Speaker 5 (01:41:22):
Think this team it fully expects to get back to
the playoffs and surprise everyone, and I think they are
just fine with that. And I think in general, like
to your T shirt theme, like that's what this market
is about. I think we're in the golden arrow really
of Indiana sports, amongst so many different teams exactly, and
I think they all Jake thrive on being that underdog.

(01:41:43):
I mean there's been years pass where the Pacers would
if they be favored in a game, they play poorly.
If they're the underdog, they'd come out and completely raceel
make things complicated, come off with the win, and not
be surprised by anything. So I think again there leaning
into that, it's it's not by any means a season
of discovery with many different parts, but this first month

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will be very interesting for those number of reasons.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
We started out at the.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Top with but Scott, between Niemid Nemhard and those three,
the guy that is going to be asked to most
deviate from the or be more versatile, and the way
they've played before is which.

Speaker 5 (01:42:26):
My first instinct there is not Nemhard but rather because
nim Hart's handled the ball. He's been a point guard before,
and in fact, a couple of years ago going into
the season, he's spent his off season planning to be
the backup point guard, but he was just too good
that they couldn't have him out of the starting lineup.
So for those reasons, I'm going to see a Siakam
because without Halliburton, his voice, his leadership on the court,

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his production, there's going to be needed more consistency and
different rules and hats worn by Siakam.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
I'm glad you mentioned the tyrese Haliburton not being on
the floor from the voice aspects, Scott, because I've been
starting to think about this lately, like who's gonna have
to step up as the vocal leader because no Halliburn,
obviously no Miles Truner. But I think a secret third
voice that we don't talk about enough this team not
having anymore is James Johnson. He plays such a critical

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role behind the scenes with the development of some guys
and keeping guys on track how and who I should say,
who's gonna have to step up and assume those roles
because those are three things that have to be filled
this upcoming year.

Speaker 5 (01:43:29):
Yeah, and Miles's voice, especially defensively, was significant one. The
one thing with James, while it would be nice if
he would return, the other thing I Eddie felt going
into this season is that he's been around for two
or three years here.

Speaker 4 (01:43:44):
It kind of felt like this season.

Speaker 5 (01:43:45):
Could be a time where you could kind of let
the let the kids go and do what you've trained
them to do, right like let the nest go out
into the real world and see how the last couple
of years have gone and how you've gotten them ready
to this point. They're Siakam, I think, and Heath Smiths
going to continue to elevate what he contributes in a
variety of ways, and then I think we shouldn't undervalue

(01:44:08):
the voice of TJ. McConnell off the bench as well.
He's seen a lot, he's played over ten years in
the league, so I think he can elevate where he
contributes as well. From that standpoint, but there will be
no replacing James Johnson. I just think it's probably time
to let this team fly on its own, is how
I does put it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
Scott. The following that I'm about to ask is almost
embarrassing because it sounds so ludicrous. Okay, but when you
consider and I know that they don't. They don't want
to talk gap year and that kind of thing. The
reality is this, we know what and who the Pacers
can be once Halliburton gets back, and you know, hopefully
is close to what we have seen from his level

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of play, but that's a year from now. They got
so much benefit when they were at their apex from
the energy and the experience down the stretch of TJ. McConnell.
They become cautious to not overplay McConnell this year because
of his age. To preserve him if you will for
when Haliburton is back. And I know that sounds crazy, No.

Speaker 5 (01:45:11):
It doesn't, but I would say yes, but for a
different reason. I think his superpower is playing a specific
a lot mental in it a minutes at eighteen to
twenty two to twenty three, and because of how high energy,
how high strong, how much he's laying it on the line,
I think you lose some of that greatness, that pureness,
that ability, if you're trying to stretch him beyond his means.

(01:45:32):
And so for that reason, more than anything, is why
I think they have to be cautious of playing him,
say more than twenty four to twenty five minutes per game.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
If you could have a superpower, what would you pick?

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
Fly? Eddie, I like to save time. I am such
an impatient for.

Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
That, that's fair. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
Fly is a really good one. I was trying to go.
It was with something different because he stole mine.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
Now, like when you fly, though, Scott, how high are
you flying? And how fast? You know what?

Speaker 5 (01:46:01):
I haven't thought about that, but I would say as
fast as possible, because I would just be there in
an instant.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
So, yeah, I mean do we want to you?

Speaker 4 (01:46:11):
Can they teleporting? It would be next maybe?

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
Yeah, Well, if you teleport, you don't need to fly, right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
And I'm not saying you would want two of me.
I would want multiple of me. I could be in
multiple places, doing multiple different things.

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
Ed Sorenson used to routinely saying, I just clone me.
I just want to get two of me. It was
like a number one line. But for what reason would
you want to clone yourself, Eddie.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
There's a lot of reasons, Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
Don't you, I mean, don't you want to be one
of a kind? I would still be one of a kind.
There wouldn't be other people out there. Well if you're
not one of a kind, if you're cloning yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
Well I am one of a kind because I'd be
the only one that can clone myself.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Can you imagine Scott having two people with a head
that big, all on the same planet.

Speaker 4 (01:46:49):
Oh man, I'd go with you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
Now, when I say this, you're going to think that
I'm saying it for the tawd repurposes. And there are
todd benefit don't get me wrong, but I think one
of them that's underrated. And I don't know if this
is an actual superpower, but to make yourself invisible would
be advantageous in numerous situations.

Speaker 4 (01:47:13):
Right, that would be a really good one too.

Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
I mean think about it, like, hey, do you have
tickets to the game? I don't need them? Why swalk
in right? Go wherever you are?

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
I mean the number of I mean unbelieved now, but
if you're invisible, now this is a disclaimer here. Do
you think you would also then have to. What if
your clothes are not invisible but you are, then you're
basically still busted. Right, it's gonna look weird. People canna
see jeans just walking around, right.

Speaker 5 (01:47:46):
No, you have like the Harry Potter quote, so whatever
was underneath it would be hidden.

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
Okay, that's why I would it. I'm unfamiliar with the
Harry Potter stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:47:56):
Just picture of cake.

Speaker 5 (01:47:57):
So whatever whatever is over your head and under the
cake is invisible.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
But the so the cape is also invisible? Correct, because
I don't know about you. If I'm sitting there, you know,
on the subway, and a cape cart starts moving towards me,
you know what I mean, like like there's gonna be
I'm getting some weapons, right.

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
Yeah, No, that's a really good one though. So many usage.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
Who's your favorite superhero and you can't say Superman or Batman?

Speaker 4 (01:48:24):
Oh I'm not sure. It's always been Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
I think the most under Eddie yours iron Man? Huh
iron Man? Iron Man?

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
Okay, that's cool now mine, and I think he's underrated.
This fella Aquaman. I think Aquaman's underrated. That'd be fun, yeah,
be cool, right, But but everybody tells me that he's
he's terrible on land. Is that true. I'm not into
the superhero stuff, but I just think he's cool. I
like anybody that's amphibious.

Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think that'd be a good choice.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
Scott. What he got upcoming here on field House File,
other than talking about amphibious things and invisible cloaks.

Speaker 5 (01:49:04):
Just a lot more looking ahead to the space of
season with news and notes, and then also still a
lot more to come out of the Fever season that
headlined obviously with these collective bargaining.

Speaker 4 (01:49:13):
Hey, let me tell you conversations that aren't going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
The collective bargaining stuff. And I was I was really
grateful Scott for all of the conversations that Stephanie White
was kind in us to have kind enough to have
with us over the course of the season. The last
one that we had with her when we were talking
about Kitlin Clark and the wa NBA commissioner and she

(01:49:36):
was saying that she feels like Katelin Clark is a
pawn for other people. That I mean, that got a
lot of traction. There is a lot of discussion because
I think what you have is the WNBA right now
still kind of trying to learn how to now navigate
through with transcendent stars within its within its league.

Speaker 5 (01:49:57):
Right, this is an entirely new world for the and
something that they were not prepared for because it did
not exist, Like Cathy's talked about. When she arrived at
the league, there was like one or two marketing execs.
Now they have like twenty. Now they have all these
different TV deals. Yeah, and she is certainly spearheaded a
meaning Caitlin. And then we've seen the other class, this

(01:50:18):
latest one page Backer's follow But no, Caitlyn is in
a league of her own in terms of interest and such.
I put her up there with Tiger, with mainly Tiger,
maybe an MJ.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
She said, Williams, She said, Serena Williams. That was the
other one that yeah, Yeah, Stephanie had mentioned to me
Scott before we let you go. I the thing about
the w NBA in general in Kitlyn Clark, there is
no denying Caitlyn Clark's talent, star power, all of it, right,

(01:50:52):
what I'm fascinated by. And it's a conversation probably more
to be had once the season is getting ready to resume.
But is it unfair of me to say that I
am intrigued by how the fever reacclimate with her on
the court because of out of necessity, the bond in

(01:51:14):
which that roster was able to coagulate with one another
without her on the floor.

Speaker 5 (01:51:21):
I would say that's partially fair because mostly because the
reality is this team could look very different. There were
only five returning players last year. Most of the league
are free agents, Jake. There's expansion teams two coming in,
so we still don't know how many players teams can protect.
It is the wild, wild rest right now that nobody
knows the rules or what's going to happen here. But

(01:51:43):
I will say, to her credit, she was as involved
as she could have been on the road for all
but one game this season. She found routines with different
teammates to stay engaged in such and they still tried
to play fast and do different things. But yes, isn't
certainly a period of reacclimating to her being the focal point.

(01:52:05):
But I also bet she realized two of how best
to utilize maybe my teammates even more to supercharge what
they did this past season without her.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
Nick chimes in on the text that his desired superpower
would be irresistibility to women. I don't know that's a
superpower or not. I don't know that I would. To me,
that feels redundant.

Speaker 5 (01:52:30):
Oh boy, I'm just saying, but what it's worth?

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
All right, Scott, appreciate the time.

Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
It's always all right, Thanks Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
Scott Agnes, field House Files, Eddie, anything you'd like to
add there?

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
I don't think does a great job with Fieldhouse Files.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Scott Agnes does a great job with Fieldhouse Files. Make
sure he's described him on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
Yeah. What daily chore or task would you want to
never have to do again?

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
Oh? Laundry will that'd be number one. I love doing laundry.
I just don't like all the time. You know, you
got put in the Washington putting dryer, then you gotta
put them what clothesway?

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
I love it. The two things that I love doing
more than anything in the world are laundry and dishes.
I love it, and dishes I don't have to do
because I mean, I never eat at home. Maybe that's
why I don't have to do them very often. But
I love doing laundry. What about mowing the lawn? Do
you like mowing the lawn? I do When I was
a kid, I hated mowing the lawn because, like I

(01:53:23):
would smell see, I would get like allergic, not allergic,
but I would start sneezing uncontrollably by the grass clippings.
But did you now let me ask you this. You know,
you know what would be a great invention. A great
invention would be some sort of a cleaner that gets
that green. Because what shoes do you wear when you
mow the lawn?

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
I just wear some old shoes.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
That's it. Like you gotta wear the old ones, right, yeah,
But aren't they uncomfortable because then they get like cakey
and and you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Eh, they're made for outdoors.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
So what about a shoe that's made for exactly that,
your lawn mowing shoes? Just shoes like lightweight shoes are
impermeable to the stain of the grass. It's called boots,
but they're not like weight. I'm sure there are light weights.
Yet in the summer, it's hot outside. I don't know,
what are you walking around in? Waiters?

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Can you can wear like bunyan mow in your lawn?
Could wear rain boots?

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
Those are not rain boots. Rain boots are like knee
high things with like, what are you like the Morton
salt girl walking around mowing the lawn. It's got to
be uncomfortable when it's hot out right, not really, you
wear socks underneath them all the way up. You don't
have cause then you start getting into the like chafing skin.
And now all of a sudden you're getting in the
gold bond territory. I'm familiar with the gold walking around

(01:54:38):
like you just got off the horse. You know what
I'm talking You know what I'm talking about. At a
buddy one time that was visiting his future in laws
and then went golfing. He went golfing all day with
his future father in law, went into the bathroom, realized
that he needed let's just say, gold bond in the
sensitive areas, and was like, you know what, like, I

(01:54:59):
wonder her dad has some reaches in sees it. Puts
it on and it was the gold bond foot powder
knocked himself backwards, fell over. Scott everything okay in there,
heything's fine, not good.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
You just out your friend there now.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
I didn't say his last name, although we typically didn't
call him Scott, We just called him macconnell. Okay, we'll
come back. You know what's interesting about the song? I
believe I've asked this before? Can I ask it again? Sure?
Thank you tell me that what if I said no,
I was waiting for the lyric where they say yes,

(01:55:38):
you can see I was setting that up? Or can
I but go back to the very beginning of the song,
like very yes at the very beginning? Okay? Right here?
Is this the most sampled opening rift to a song

(01:55:59):
of the last fifty years? Because when you play that,
people in their car right now, depending how old they
are or what generation they're from before that part kicks in,
may think of that as being any of three different
songs that I've always wondered that because you literally when

(01:56:19):
it starts, you're like, no way, which version am I hearing?

Speaker 4 (01:56:22):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:56:22):
Am I hearing? You know? The original? Am I hearing? Marky?

Speaker 6 (01:56:26):
Mark?

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
Am I hearing? Try called quest on? And on and on?
It's a great song, though the one you just played
is a great so it might be actually the best
version of them.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
Marky Mark in the Funky Bunch, Which song are you
talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
Uh? Pull up the wild Side by Mark hold On?
Is it wild Side? See? If that's the name of
the song from Marky Mark and the Funky bunch Yep. Okay,
play that one in just second, and then obviously you've
got the original right. And it's funny because once you
start playing one in your head then becomes difficult to remember,

(01:57:01):
like the way that the others go on. Obviously the
it's lou Reid, right, the lou Reed version, the one
I played. No, what you played was tribe called Quest.
But see if you go ahead and play the did
you find the Marky Mark version? Okay, here we go.

(01:57:25):
See I've forgotten that he does this part here. He's
got the track underneath it, right, I hear it a
little bit. Yeah, well it's definitely there, but you hear
the track underneath it. Now. The one of the most
sampled songs of all time, apparently, or bits of all time,
is there is a drum beat that is notably used

(01:57:49):
from George Michael and I can't do it now because
I've got that stuck in my head now. But there
is a drum beat that you don't realize is used
in like and I think it is a drum beat
from not a Chuck Berry song, but it's been used

(01:58:12):
in so many songs. You don't even realize. And of
course now they can take anything and mix it up
and AI it and generate it and whatever else. But
we have breaking dudes.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
Any go ahead, you like how I time that Ebb
Jake I did, I was really really well done on
my part. The Colts have a kicker, Jake. The Colts
officially have a kicker.

Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
I'm going to guess I have not heard yet today
whether or not Buffalo has because their kicker, Tyler Bass
is going is expected to come off of ir and
when that takes place, I would assume that they are
going to make available Matt Prater, but also the Colts.

(01:58:55):
In my mind, there are two kickers that they've seemingly
gone back to on a number of occasions in this
situation mount extreme. One of them is Michael Badgley, who
was available that I mentioned yesterday. And that's my prediction. Okay,
So Michael Badgley, who when did he last kick for

(01:59:17):
the Colts?

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
He kicks for the Colts in twenty twenty one, played
twelve games with Colts, eighteen of twenty one on field goals.
He was six of seven thirty to thirty nine, eight
of nine from forty to forty nine, missed his only
attempt from fifty plus yards in his career, though he
is five of thirteen north of fifty career long is

(01:59:40):
fifty nine yards. He made that in twenty eighteen. I
played in four gains and the Lions last year made
all four field goals.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
To me, kicker is a position that or two years ago, sorry,
there are if you have a top five kickers. What
did the Colts learn of any franchise? None more so
than the Colts have learned this. Kicking is a position

(02:00:17):
that comes down really to three things. Mental and just
like being on a hot streak, physical and not having
any sort of injury to like either the hamstring or hip,
and not getting caught up in certainly the first in

(02:00:41):
this town there are three. I mean, sure, we can
go back and talk about roll Alegra great, we can
talk about Kerry Blanchard, great, But in this town there
are three kickers that really jump out. Okay, you've obviously
got Venitari. It goes without saying, and then you saw it.
Once his body started to break what you break down,

(02:01:02):
it was over. You've got vander Jat, who was the
most accurate kicker in the history of the league. But
when we had him on and I was stunned. And
I've always appreciated his transparency, but when he admitted to
the fact that once it started to go away, he
was going out in the field and looking at the
ball and he's like, I have no idea how to
kick this thing. It was all mental. Once the mental

(02:01:25):
aspect went away, he was like, I'm done, and he
knew he was done. And then the third kicker, which
is kind of the poster child of not getting too
confident and not buying into or riding too long the
hot streak of the mental aspect, and that's Matt Gay
because the Colts went out and gave him the biggest
kicker free agency contract in the history of the league.

(02:01:48):
And he was a kicker that once it started to
go awry for him, and I know he was a
little dinged up, so he kind of part He kind
of straddles both sides here of this. But remember Chris
Ballard saying like, look, he's a good kicker. The guy's
a good kicker, and they but then ultimately, you know,
they make that change. They bring in Spencer Schrader, and

(02:02:09):
he was kicking really well, and then obviously had no
fault of his You have the injury. But Badgely is
a guy that if he is on a hot streak,
you roll with it. Man, you go with it. Just
let it roll until you run out, and then you
go out and you find another one. And I will

(02:02:29):
be curious to see you can bet. I mean, the
second he misses a forty two yard at Lucas Oil Stadium,
they're going to be growans. But you can't blame the guy.
I mean, there's a reason he was available in October.
I wonder how many they brought in. Did it say no?
Speaking of bringing in, we're bringing Greg Reikstraw in. He
is in for JMV who is off today. We will

(02:02:51):
talk to Greg, find out what he's got lined up
and put a tie on all of it. You set
up for the pacers tonight. We'll do it on the
other side. So this is it right here, Betty. This
is Waiting for that Day from George Michael, which I
think is a fabulous song by the way, from Listening
Without Prejudice and the drum line you hear there is

(02:03:11):
funky drummer from James Brown and that is apparently one
of the most sampled drumline sounds he speeds it up
for this particular song, but that's what he used it in,
and he mentioned the fact that in doing it he
had heard a slower version of it, sped it up
and went with that. Did I mention that I'm watching

(02:03:33):
this show called Chad Powers.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
Only like a million times on Monday.

Speaker 1 (02:03:38):
So good show. What I didn't know is in it?
There's there only I mean, I think the third episode
came out at midnight last night. Whatever you want to
say today. What I believe to be what's going to
be the love interest of the main character is a female,

(02:04:01):
is the actress, and she's married to Mark Sanchez. Now
I'm guessing he has not seen yet episode three. I
don't know that, but that's just a hunch. Been a
little busy, Greg. Regstraw just walked in. He is in
for JMV today and tomorrow. Is that right, Greg? That
is correct? Sir?

Speaker 6 (02:04:17):
Is this officially Cross Talk present of my love Heating
and Cooling?

Speaker 1 (02:04:20):
That is correct? Love dash HVC dot Com three one seven,
three five one. Thank you for the tea up there.
What's on the big program today?

Speaker 6 (02:04:29):
Greg Blalley Cox at three point thirty Drew Storing at
four o'clock, Christen Are at four thirty, Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:04:35):
Pacers and Action tonight. We were talking about this the thing
that most intrigues you about the Pacers tonight.

Speaker 6 (02:04:42):
I'm not sure if tonight will be the case because
it's a preseason game, but obviously, big picture, when the
season starts for real in sixteen days, how much do
how much does this Pacer team look like last year's
Pacer team with the obvious absence of Tyrese Haliburton and
Miles Turn I.

Speaker 1 (02:04:58):
Specially just like in their pace, right, you know what
I mean? The style that they're going to play. I mean,
there's a number of things that go into it. We
were talking earlier. Also, I want your thoughts on this.
Greg is Greg Gregster. Of course you hear him on
the postgame shows for Colts games. You know. I feel like,
and look, I know that there are a number of
factors that are different for this Colts team versus last

(02:05:19):
Tyler Warren being one of them, notably, but Daniel Jones
being the big one. But I feel like this year
so far, in a couple of different ways, have shown
the coaching maturation of Shane Steiken. Sure not only in
the manner in which he is calling plays for Daniel Jones.

(02:05:40):
And I think, as John and I talked about yesterday,
there's reciprocity there as well, because Daniel Jones is able
to do different things because of what's being played called
by stike In. But the eighty Mitchell situation, Greg, I
don't know that Shane Stikeen in year one or even
year two does the discipline there of an eighty Mitchell

(02:06:00):
or as he did the way he did it the
other day. Am I off base?

Speaker 3 (02:06:04):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:06:05):
I think there's something to that.

Speaker 4 (02:06:06):
Now.

Speaker 6 (02:06:06):
Is it an apples to apples comparison, because obviously, amazingly
this has happened twice in the last what eight competitive
game vcults. But Jonavan Taylor has earned a bit more
of a mistake card than Adie Mitchell has.

Speaker 1 (02:06:24):
Also plays a position where there's less depth and is
higher up on said chart anyway, right.

Speaker 6 (02:06:28):
Correct says has five years of one of the best
players at his position versus hey, this guy has potential,
but as the fourth best receiver we have. And you
could argue how Ashton Dulan played maybe your fifth best
receiver because Ashton played so well so but yes, there
seems to be much more of an accountability factor. It's

(02:06:50):
been talked about. Every coach talks about things like this
and press conferences, but obviously it has been much more
on display so far this year.

Speaker 1 (02:06:58):
You know, Taylor is interesting because he is a position
greg that there was a time and I'm as guilty
of this as anybody, there was a time of saying
it's great that the Colts have Jonathan Taylor, but like,
you don't win in the running back in today's NFL,
and it seems like that's kind of coming back to them.

Speaker 6 (02:07:19):
I see where you're working in. Yes, the pendulum is
swinging back to that style of football in the National
Football Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:07:26):
I mean I noticed, you know last night, I thought
Trevor Lawrence was really good last night. But the number
of games that I look towards now and then I
look afterwards at guys passing numbers, and you know, a
guy's throwing for one hundred and ninety eight yards, one
hundred and eighty five yards. You know, Joe Flacco today
just got traded to Cincinnati. He's probably gonna and he

(02:07:46):
has big weapons there, right, but he when he was here,
you know, one hundred and ninety five yard game. I
mean that was five years ago, that was unheard of
because everybody was towing for three fifty. It just seems
like the league because whether it's because of the way
it's being officiated or the way it's being called, it
feels cyclical.

Speaker 6 (02:08:06):
I think to some degree it is also because of
the NFL game resembles a lot more of the college
game than it used to. There was always a line
of demarcation. You could run this style in college, you
cannot do the National Football League. And now seeming that
barrier is gone. And so perhaps your total yardage from

(02:08:28):
a quarterback position is still around three hundred and three fifty,
but now you are just as apt to get seventy
fifty to seventy five yards rushing from a quarterback. And
two D and.

Speaker 1 (02:08:39):
Two last night, I mean both, you know, at one
point last night, I think both quarterbacks were leading their
team in rushing at one point last night in that game.
And then Lawrence ends up winning it in a crazy play,
but winning it on the ground, and you know, and
now they're tied with the Colts at four and one.

Speaker 6 (02:08:55):
By the way, I have coined the play last night,
the stumble Rooskie.

Speaker 1 (02:09:00):
Nice.

Speaker 6 (02:09:00):
Thank you appreciate that as a guy's a guy that
is pretty witty on Twitter yourself.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
I fear you would appreciate something, you know. Don't try
to trademarkret it, though, because it takes forever. Okay, yeah,
why not Indiana?

Speaker 3 (02:09:10):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:09:11):
Yes, but man, it took forever. It took like a year.
Did you get that done? I was. I don't have
that sort of time. I'm super impressed by people that
have stuff trademarked a lot, because when I did that,
I thought it was just like, oh, this will be easy. Man.
It's a lot of steps to that, a lot. All right, Greg.
Regstraw is in next for J and B. We'll be
back with you at noon. What's on the Big program tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (02:09:31):
Eddie all recapping a first preseason game for the Pacers.
Maybe get Ralph refund like that, talk a little bit
about what he's seen from the Tigres Haliburn with him,
you know, shooting, where's he at that return? And the
Kelsey Mitchell situation from last week or two weeks ago
now as well he can expand more on that.

Speaker 1 (02:09:47):
All right, we will do it all tomorrow beginning at noon.
Greg is up Next, I thank you for listening to
Querying Company.

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