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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Eddie Garrison, I'm going to admit to you something that
thoroughly confuses me.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm sure he confuses a lot of people. Jake, by
a lot of people, I mean a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Okay, this is what thoroughly confuses me. I don't I
don't get this. And again yesterday, I confess to the
fact that my linear thinking sometimes is a chi For example,
let me give you an example of something where I
just get confused. Why we can't be more simplistic. Okay, okay,

(00:31):
it's a simplistic Wednesday. Everything needs to be simplified. It
drives me crazy. I think it's great that Tony Romo,
for example, when he's doing NFL analysis, can look at
a play and predict what's going to happen or what
they're going to try to do based on the formation.

(00:52):
That's cool. And when he simply says, right here, they
should try to throw the ball because look at this
left set and he circles it. You know, Okay, I
can understand that it drives me crazy when analysts of
a particular sport begin speaking in the vernacular that is

(01:14):
relative only to people that are diehards of that particular sport,
because the idea in a broadcast, the goal in an
analysis of an NFL game, or an NBA game, or
a Major League Baseball game is to provide information that
makes it relatable to the transcendent audience. To if you

(01:36):
have a thousand people that are turned onto a baseball game,
that turned it on, and eight hundred of those people
are people that are like, Oh, it's a baseball game.
I'm just going to see what this is all about.
You want to speak to that eight hundred, not to
the two hundred that are like, I'm interested in this
guy's whip, vorp warp and bat velocity. You already have
those two hundred people. They're going nowhere. So when you

(01:59):
start speaking in those those terms, the higher percent of
Joe's eight hundred people are like, I have no idea
what this is talking about, but it sounds like I'm
not invited to this party, and boom, they're gone. And
so the same thing happens with the college football playoff rankings,
which came out last night, and we know that Ohio
State and Indiana are one and two, and they're playing
Saturday Atlugas Oil Stadium for the Big Ten Championship, and

(02:21):
it's awesome and I'm here for it. And last night
I'm watching Purdue do Purdue things in basketball, and they're
clearly the best team in college basketball. And I don't
care what other people say that I'm crazy for saying it. Whatever,
Braydon Smith is the best player in college basketball, Okay,
I mean there are other guys that are gonna, you know,
have better NBA careers and be better draft picks. Right

(02:42):
now in terms of college basketball, being a player on
the floor that makes a team go, that is the
best team in college basketball. Yes, two Indiana mister basketballs
last night went toe to toe in Yukon and Kansas,
and Brayln Mullins had seventeen for Yukon and they get
to win an Allen Field House and Florie Badoungash shows
that he he's going to be a defensive, rebounding player
that's probably going to play the next level as well.

(03:03):
I get all that, but Braydon Smith's the best player
in college basketball. Pretty wins. But I'm watching all of
that and I'm still thinking about the college football Playoff,
and I'm hearing them talking about Notre Dame and I'm
thinking about the fact that Notre Dame has a kicker
that is now a Colts kicker because the Colts had tryouts,
and now we know that they indeed signed a Notre

(03:24):
Dame kicker, and Daniel Jones. Still we wonder what his
total availability is going to be outside of the pocket
when they go to Jacksonville. And I'm thinking about all
those things, but I'm going back to and my brain
is centered back on the fact that I'm confused by this.
The college football playoff rankings that are announced every Tuesday.

(03:45):
They rank the teams, and you know that twelve teams
get in, and they give you the playoff rankings, and
so your brain says, Okay, what I know is Miami's
number twelve, Texas is number thirteen, banner Bilt's number fourteen.
Twelve get in. Looks like Vanderbilt and Texas are peering
through the window and they're hoping that somebody all of

(04:07):
a sudden like throws up at the party and has
to go home early, and so then they go in. Whatever,
why did they do the playoff ranking in giving me
twenty five teams if only twelve get in, If then
there are all kinds of rules were just because you're
ranked one through twelve doesn't mean that you are the
twelve teams that go into the college football playoffs. Why
not rank them for me in the order of if

(04:28):
it were to begin today, here are your twelve teams.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Why don't they do that for the NCAA Tournament.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
The NCAA Tournament is different though, because the NCAA Tournament
does not rank and give you ranking of one through
sixty eight the entire time they are not in flux.
What is the purpose of telling me the way that
teams rank in terms of entrance into the playoff if
that's not the rank in which they enter the playoff? Right,
I don't get it. So right now where it stands

(04:54):
Ohio State, I'm going to read off to you the
top twelve. I want you to tell me of these twelve,
the ones that are not committed to be in okay
in terms of there's a way that they can still
fall I guess any of them can fall out, right,
So let me let me rephrase that. I'm gonna read
you twelve and then I want you to read from me,

(05:16):
Eddie the teams that still have a chance via an
auto bid to play their way in Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, Texas,
that's your top or Texas excuse me, that's your top four. Oregon, Ole,
Miss Texas, A and m Oklahoma that's the next four. Yep,
your third four, Notre Dame BYU excuse me, Alabama, Notre

(05:37):
Dame BYU, and Miami. Now, of the teams that are
not right now slotted in the top twelve, give me
those that still can punch their ticket through an auto
bid and get in.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
You're looking at possibly Duke, depending on how the you
know committee views them, because they're in the ACC tournament.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
They're an ACC championship. Yeah, okay against Virginia. So Duke
or Virginia, either one is automatically in. Right, one of
those two is automatically in.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Not automatically if Duke bank it's very very convoluted in
that aspect because it's the top five conference winners by ranking.
So Duke right now would not fall under that category
because as of yesterday's rankings, it would be if Duke
beats Virginia, then it would most likely look like it
would be North Texas.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Duke has no chance of getting in.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
In James Madison, I'm not saying they don't have a
chance at all, because I don't know how the community
will view it if they can pull off the win
against Virginia.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, but what I'm saying is Duke right now is
not even ranked in their top twenty five. So the
thought that they are going to catapult thirteen people is
preposterous based on a win over Virginia, who's ranked seventeenth.
If they were to beat Ohio State by twenty eight points,
that's one thing. To beat Virginia, who's ranked seventeenth, there's
not going to be enough to put Duke in. Okay,

(07:00):
so give me another team that still has a chance
to punch their ticket in that is outside the top twelve.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Outside the top twelve. You're looking at BYU, who's in
the top twelve. But outside you've got North Texas and
James Madison. Okay, so North Texas and James Madison. What
about Tulane?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yes, two Lane also, yeah, I forgot about them. Yeah,
so James Madison is totally irrelevant, No, not totally irrelevant.
How does James Madison get in?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
If Duke defeats Virginia, then as of these rankings, your
top five conference winners would be you know, the Big ten,
the SEC. And then let's see the Big Twelve, and
then you're looking at the American, which would be two
Lane or North Texas which and the Sun Belt with
jm el Okay, and what I'm saying is Tulane in

(07:53):
North Texas.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Both of them are already ranked ahead of James Madison. Yes,
so the winner of that clearly stands in front of
James Madison. James Madison can't leap frog. If James Madison
is sitting there looking at the two teams that are
in the American Championship and they are ranked above them,
then there's nothing James Madison can do to leap frog
the winner of the American because they're already ahead of

(08:16):
them and a win would only solidify them ahead of them.
Correg you have to have the five conference champions and
again hear me out those conference champions, the Big Ten,
whoever wins the Big Ten tournament in the Big Ten Championship, okay, yes,
the Big Twelve, the Big Twelve winner in right, the
SEC champion in yes. Right. Now, outside of that, what

(08:40):
other leagues are we looking at here?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
You're looking at the ACC, so that would be Virginia
and Duke. The American the American with Twulane in North
Texas and then JMU, and they are in the sun Bell.
JMU has no chance, that is what I'm saying. No,
they don't. They still have a chance, Eddie, hear me
out here. Mathematically speaking, James Madison has no chance. Mathematically speaking,

(09:05):
I would say you're incorrect.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Let me continue. Okay, there are five conference winners that
are allowed in the Big Ten, the Big Twelve, the SEC,
the ACC, and then the option of the American winner
or the Sun Belt winner. Okay, the American winner is
going to be that championship game is Tulane in North Texas.

(09:30):
Both of them are already ranked ahead of James Madison. Yes,
James Madison is in the Sun Belt that they currently
are twenty fifth. Yes, they're playing who for the Sun
Belt title? They're playing Troy Okay, who is not ranked? Correct,
So James Madison if they were to win the Sun
Belt then says, okay, we were twenty fifth, we beat Troy,

(09:51):
who's unranked. North Texas says we're twenty fourth. We just
beat Tulane who was twentieth or Tulane says we're twentieth
and we just beat North Texas, who's twenty fourth.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Now, this is you assuming Virginia beats Duke in the
ACC tournament, in the ACC championship game, I'm saying that
Jamie only has a shot to make the CFP if
Duke defeats Virginia and the ACC tournaments and so.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
You're in the ACC the A tournaments. It's a championship.
I know why I keep seeing tournament, but yes, But
so what you're saying is James Madison has to hope
that the ACC cannibalizes itself and kicks both of itself out. Yes, okay,
in that capacity.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yes, that's why I'm saying they're not totally mathematically eliminated,
because if if Virginia loses to Duke, there's no likelihood
that Duke could make it.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
In because A can cancel itself out. Yes to me,
when they do the college Football Playoff rankings, the way
they should do it, Ohio stated Indiana, Georgia, Texas, techt Oregon,
whatever the latter, then at the end it should say
ACC went American winner, you know whatever, else to make

(11:02):
it very clear, because otherwise what is the purpose of
the ranking? Like like Texas, Texas has no chance of
getting in right, None, I would say no, Vanderbilt has
no chance of getting in. No, I would say they
do not either. Who is the SEC title game?

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Though?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
The SEC Title game isn't that Alabama and Georgia.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
That sounds right, yes, So again, Vanderbilt's okay, you're you're working.
Vanderbilt's work is complete. They got to sit and you know.
But nonetheless, I like what we know definitively would be this,
and that is at Ohio State in Indiana are going to
play on Saturday for the Big Ten Championship, and the

(11:39):
winner is clearly going to be the one seed. And
I think even in a close game, the loser still
stays the two. I think Indiana. If Indiana or Ohio
State either one. If it is a within ten point game,
you probably stay at one two. But if it's a blowout,
Indiana could slip depending on how you know, how far

(12:02):
Indiana can't fall behind Oregon. One would assume, right, because
they beat Oregon at Oregon yep.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
But then again, this is the same committee that looks
at Notre Dame and right, tell them above Miami, even
though Miami beating Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
I think Notre Dame's in. I don't see any way,
shape or form that Notre Dame is not in.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
The only way I can see Notre Dame being bounced
out of the College Football Playoff, Jake, is if BYU,
who is currently that first team out because of the
fact that you need five conference champions If BYU were
to beat Texas Tech in the Big Twelve Championship game,
then BYU will be in the College Football Playoff. Thus,
Notre Dame would get bumped out for BYU.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Hey, Jake, it comes down to Duke Tulane, North Texas
James Madison. The beginning of each college football Playoffs show.
They attempt to explain the particulars that you find difficult
to understand. That's what I get it. This is the
brilliance of it and at the same time the challenge
of it. And it goes back to my initial point.
The brilliance of it is this is all designed for

(13:04):
exactly this for two people in Indianapolis, Indiana, on a
midweek where you've got Sauce Gardner injury news, where you've
got Daniel Jones injury news, where you've got new kicker,
where you've got team backpedaling itself going into an AFC
South matchup against Jacksonville on the road, when you've got
the number one team in college basketball, when you've got

(13:25):
all of those things going on, two people in Indianapolis
doing a sports talk radio show are talking about the
college football playoff. Now, it is pertinent here because one
of the two best teams in college football is within
our market. That's why it is of relevance. But this
entire discussion is number one to their credit because this

(13:47):
is what it was that was created. But on the
other side of that, it is a bit to their
detriment because they have created it and nuanced it in
such a way that it is what I'm talking about
with the the eccentricities of the baseball analysis, where you
start talking about it in terms that becomes so algebraic

(14:09):
that it loses the vast majority of audience as it
probably you maybe even did for hours. Right there. You
get my point. But let's get to the Colts News.
The other thing that I find funny confusing, and I'm
going to defend our brethren here in Indianapolis and Cistern.

(14:31):
If that's the term the local media. I hear it
all the time. I hear all the time anywhere I go,
I go out and get some deat. I walk through
the mall to get in the Christmas mood. Yeah, I
still do that. I go to the gas station and

(14:56):
invariably and inevitably a couple of times a week, somebody
says to me, you know what's funny when our teams
get really good, the national guys, why are they the
ones that get all the scoop? And I'm like, they're not.
They're just the ones you hear because they have the
biggest megaphone. And let me explain. On Monday, Shane Steichen

(15:22):
did his weekly media availability and Shane Steikeen, in his
media availability was asked by Kevin Bowen, Maine Colts representative
of this radio station, Kevin's Corner podcast on ninety three
five one oh seven five one oh seven five thefan
dot Com morning show with Jeff Rickard and James Boyd

(15:45):
on the Fan and Kevin along with James kind of
our boots on the ground, James with the athletic as
well of course in terms of our Colts coverage. And
then we have on Joel A. Ericsson, and then we
have on Steven Holder, and then we have on Mike
Chappell and we have on others. Kevin is the one
that is representing for the most part, this media organization.

(16:05):
Kevin Bowen asked Shane Steikeen on Monday, Hey, is I
are a possibility for sauce Gardner. Shane Steigen says no.
Kevin Bowen immediately sends it on social media. I are
not a possibility for Sauce Gardener. Mike Chapel, CBS four wxin.

(16:32):
Shane Steikeing, in a question asked by Kevin Bowen, says
sauce Gardener, no, I are. Ralph Reef comes on this
radio program, and I asked Ralph Reef, while I know
you don't specifically know the intricacies of sauce Gardner's injury,
generically speaking, an overview in your expertise as somebody who's

(16:53):
for forty years been an athletic trainer, a high CAF
strain would mean what and Ralph Reef's that to me
means twenty one days, three weeks. What is the minimum
for IR four weeks? So right then, okay, no IR
for sauce Gardener. Today. Ian Rappaport sends out a tweet

(17:16):
according to me and in coordinance with my other writer,
we can confirm that, or we are reporting that Sauce
Gardner will not going ir for the Colts, and boom,
Everybody's like, oh my gosh, soft Gardener, no ir for
the Colts. Colts, DA DA, And everybody looks at that
and says, why didn't the local guys have that? I

(17:37):
guess a better question would be why didn't he look
at what the local guys were doing two days ago.
These guys, from a national standpoint, do a phenomenal job.
They do an outstanding job. They have the misfortune or
if you want to say fortune, of having to cover
and keep tabs of what's going on with thirty two teams.
I get it, and I got the utmost respect for it.

(17:57):
And more often than not, when they report something, you
know that that has been vetted to the point that
it is factual. But for people to say that the
local media continues to get scooped by the national guys
A lot of times what happens. Steven Holder is a
good example. Stephen is the beat writer for ESPN for

(18:18):
the Colts. He will come up with information and then
at times, if there is a big enough story, they
will say, okay, Steven you're gonna work in partnership with
Adam Schefter, and then once something big is confirmed, Schefter
will be the one to put it out there because
it goes to that's the biggest megaphone. It sprays to
the largest area. And there are times, admittedly where franchises,

(18:41):
the NFL or the NBA team in town, if there's
something that they feel is in the best interest of
getting the message out the quickest, they will give it
to the largest megaphone. They will give it to Adam Schefter,
or they will give it to Shot Shams or whoever
it might be. You know, it would have been Woes
back before. And those guys get that out because they
know with one push of a button, boom, millions of

(19:02):
people see it instantly. I get it, but in this case,
I don't want people to be confused by clouded by
the noise of oh gosh, the biggest platform said it,
So where was everybody else? Everybody else said this for
you two days ago, the local media, in fact, the

(19:22):
local guys, the Kevin Bowen, the James Boyd, the Joel Erickson's,
you know, the Tony Easts, the dustined a Pirac, all
of them. They are covering this stuff, and they are
on it, and they are as entrenched in it as
anybody else, and they have it as well. It's just
a matter of how much you are looking at what

(19:43):
they are reporting versus others. But to me, the bigger
story is not Sauce Gardner and his whether or not
he's going to go on ir. The bigger story is
simply one that we're not going to know what the
end result is going to be be for probably quite
some time. And that is simply with Daniel Jones and

(20:04):
this injury and the maneuverability, the escapability in the pocket
of Daniel Jones. What makes Daniel Jones as a quarterback unique?
What is his What is Daniel Jones' skill set that
I'm not going to say separates him but allows him
to be the quarterback that he is is. In fact,

(20:27):
he is deceptively quick when you get out of the pocket.
And even though he can become a guy if you
get in his grill and you're bringing heat directly on
him that has had problems holding onto the football and
at times he makes the reads or the progressions too quickly.
He does have the ability to buy himself more time

(20:48):
and have the option of running the football, and we
saw that through the first eight games. His ability to
extend plays, to tuck and run, those are things that
make him different than an aging Matt Ryan or an
aging Philip Rivers or even other quarterbacks. Right now, I'm
trying to think, ye, who would you say is a

(21:09):
non durable but very effective passing quarterback in the NFL?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Non durrap Sam Darnold, non durable.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I'm sorry when I say non durable, non mineuk like
non Jared Goff, escapable Jared Goff. Yeah, Like, he's not
a guy that's gonna tuck and run, right, Probably Stafford.
Stafford's pretty tough guy, but you know those guys just
in terms of standing passing quarterbacks, Daniel Jones can be
that guy. But his ability to get out if a

(21:38):
play's breaking down and turn a nothing play into something
is what made him different in the first eight games.
And then, unfortunately and in New York, he had nagging
injuries that limited him in terms of the escapability to
extend plays. And then once he's just kind of a

(21:59):
standing duck, that's when the heat comes on and it
becomes more difficult for him to make plays. And I
worry right now for the Colts this year that that's
where they are and that's who he is, and that
that challenge is going to be because of that sort
of an injury. Even though the injury may not get

(22:19):
worse over the next eight weeks, it's not going to
get better and he's not suddenly going to be able
to get out and run. And that's the thing that
is going to be for me concerning and we'll talk
about that over the course of the show today. I
mentioned Produce, Sam King, Lafayete, Journal and Curry are going
to join us coming up about an hour from now.
We also will continue as I mentioned, to get in

(22:42):
to the Colts. Joela Erics's going to join us in
the two o'clock hour. But when we come back, my
understanding is there are meetings going on for Indy car
drivers and Graham ray Hall is half paying attention because
he's spending the rest of his time on his phone
looking to see what happens with Ohio State Indiana, and
nobody knows the Buck Guy's better. So I said to Graham, look,
you gotta come on. I got to come on so
we can get your prognostication on it. And he's going
to do it next. Indiana and Ohio State Big Ten

(23:06):
Championship game coming up Lucas Oil Stadium on Saturday night.
And Graham ray Hall has made I think eighteen indy
five hundred starts. I think he was like eighteen when
he won his first race down in Saint Pete. And
certainly when it comes to IndyCar racing and mid Ohio

(23:26):
and Buckeye lifestyle and all of that. There are two
things about IndyCar that has that have made me nauseous.
One is when I did a two seater on a
road course, I was very nauseous. And the other is
anytime Graham ray Hall starts talking about Ohio State, but
he knows the Buckeyes better than anybody, and I figured
he would be the perfect person to preview it. And
he joins us now on the Java House, Peel and

(23:47):
poor guest line Grammy fired up for the game.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
I am, brother, I am.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
You know.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
I don't rub it into my I was rubbing it
in more to you when Clemson was was actually a
good football program.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Changed, brother, Listen, how about the beginning? And I'm trying
to go where we were on Opening Saturday and you
and I are talking. I was in Nashville and Clemson's
playing LSU, and I'm saying, yeah, you know, this is
they Clemson. There's a lot of expectation for him. And
then they go out and and it was just flat.
And the next day you come up to me and
you go, well, your defense is terrible and your quarterback

(24:22):
I don't believe in And I said, okay, well, other
than that, I know it was. It was a good
scouting report, right, And then you know, then we also,
I think both of us were kind of incredulous over
arch Manning, and I think we expected more out of
what he would be able to do for Texas in
that opening game, and maybe we didn't give enough credit

(24:43):
to Ohio State's defense because we thought, okay, arch Manning's
too young, is a moment's too big for him, and
that Ohio State defense is obviously elite. Do you see
that as the biggest challenge for Indiana Saturday?

Speaker 6 (24:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (24:57):
I think so.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
I mean, well, at first off, I think it is
super cool to see Indiana uh in the positioner and
it's it's, in fact, to me, the most fascinating storyline
that I've ever witnessed.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
I mean, I I the rise of.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
The program from the seller to you know, to to
being one of the top teams in the nation in
two years or even less really is an unbelievable thing, right,
I mean, it is absolutely incredible what Signetty has done.
And but I do think that you know, Ohio State

(25:37):
on the whole this year, and we'll see what this
weekend brings, but Ohio State on the whole this year
has been absolutely dominant in every facet of the game.
And if I could see one weakness in Indiana, it's
just that, you know, that Penn State game was a concern,
like you know, the Penn State deal. You know, I

(25:57):
really thought they wuld blow Penn State out. Penn State
has obviously been going through some tough times, going through
some coaching changes, so on and so forth.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
And they really didn't do that right the.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
The the the performance wasn't really awe inspiring like with
like you may have thought. But at the end of
the day, you know, I think Ohio Stage d is
going to present them all the challenges in the world.
But I do also think they're going to score points.
I don't think that this is going to be you know,
like what we've seen year to date, right, I mean,
where basically nobody can score on Ohio State. I mean,

(26:33):
and that's not me saying as an arrogant fan, that's
the reality, right, So we'll see.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Now, is that to say that you're admitting to being
an arrogant fan?

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Not a chance. Hey, I'll tell you this right now.
I'm not I'm confident this weekend. I'm not over confident
this weekend. You know, I don't.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
I think Indiana's got a shot, just be clear. And
but I also don't think this is a home game.
Like most things you watch, there's gonna be a lot
of buck guys, yours truly included. They're going to be
there screaming loud and proud.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
I know that.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
You know to me, Graham, and you're right. I mean,
the Indiana story is truly and listen, you know I'm
here up front talking about it every week for the
last two years, and it still is surreal, right of
like can this really? And the reality is this?

Speaker 2 (27:22):
And I realize it's not like you're watching every other
team every other Saturday.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
But Graham, would you agree with this? I think we
can emphatically say these are the two best teams in
college football right now in terms of no doubt totality, right,
I mean on both sides of the football for both
of them, right.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Dude, I'm calling it right now. Jeorga is half there.
They're not They are not that great. I'm telling you
right now. Alabama is overrated as hell. How Alabama is
high of a seed as they are is only for
one reason because their name and their brand. You know,

(28:00):
to me, the Texas Tech thing TBD, Right, I'm not
one hundred percent sold on that.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Oregon.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
I actually don't think Oregon is that good.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Now, this is me going on my rant.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
I want a lot of football that I'm not going
to claim to be an expert, but I don't think
that there is any teams as complete as Ohio State
in Indiana this particular year. And you know, to me,
this weekend's matchup is just is a killer opportunity. The
biggest thing for me is I hope these teams don't

(28:32):
get slighted by taking a loss. You know, you you
would hate to see it. And I'm not saying they're
not going to make play clearly they're in the playoffs.
My point though, is you'd hate to see one of
them drop, you know, too far, because they don't deserve it, right,
They certainly shouldn't drop more than maybe to number three.
You know, I mean when you look at it and
that's saying that, that's that's basin on Georgia actually winning.

(28:53):
So you know, overall we'll see I suppose.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Graham in racing, Graham Rayhul's my guest, Java House Peel
and poor guest line.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
In racing, we use a term called turn up the wick.
So like in the Indy five hundred, it's the last
twenty five laps of the race. Now, let's turn up
the wick. Let's get everything we have out of the car,
and let's go. It's the final stint. Do you believe that,
offensively speaking, that Ohio state is there's still another level
on the notch for the Buckeyes to turn up the wick?

(29:20):
Has Ryan Day, to use a racing term, been sandbagging
a little bit on what that offense can do.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Yes, So to answer the question, I have to be
careful what I say, because I got a lot of
buddies there I hear. More so, I asked a buddy
this very question earlier this year. I said, I explain
it to me. We're not putting up a ton of points.
We're not doing this, he said, look flat out. The
objective is simple. We want to play one last game

(29:46):
by the end of the year than everybody else. We
want to play clock. We'll move the ball, on the
ball and count. That's number one, buddy. He said, you
remember the Penn State game. I said, yep, he goes.
You remember the third quarter, I said, I do, He goes,
We put up twenty one points in five minutes. I said, yep,
he goes. That was fourth year. We knew that we

(30:08):
didn't play the first halfway wanted to. We knew we
had to come out in the second and pull a
gap in a very short period of time. And that's
precisely what we did. And you know, to me, it's
pretty damn cool to hear. I mean, that's what makes
me as a Buck I fan more confident than last
year and the other year. I feel, and again this
isn't just say honestly that Ohio State is going to

(30:29):
go and win this weekend, but I feel there is
a control within this team that they never had before.
Like they they are truly in control of what is
going on. They're in control of the play clock. They're
in control of the time of possession. I mean, dude,
look what they did in the mission. I mean, not only
did they beat them, but they didn't They weren't trying

(30:49):
to run up the score clearly, but they had forty
minutes time of possession. They just held the ball. That
was their objective. Pull the ball, keep the ball. And
you know, that's the thing that's going to be interesting
as compared to Indiana, who in my eyes, Indiana is
a faster paced team. They're gun slingers. Mendoza is going
to try to push the ball down the field at
all times. They're a little bit of a faster pace

(31:11):
of play typically, and they're willing clearly to run up scores.
Ohio State this year is in the opposite mentality keep
the score count, you know, keep the play count low,
and they don't really care if they win by twenty
or if they win by forty. It's not really an objective.
And I think that's been pretty cool to see this year.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Where is Ohio State from what you've seen, Graham, where
is Ohio State susceptible?

Speaker 5 (31:35):
I think actually they're cornerbacks. They have you know, a
couple of of of of a good experience guys, but
they have a lot of youth. You're starting to see
Jermaine Matthews play a lot more. I think he's a sophomore,
but you're also seeing a lot of true freshmen out there.
Devin Sanchez, you know some of these guys. So I think,
to me, that's what's you know, made a little bit

(31:56):
more interesting is the matchups on the sides. Ohio State
strength is going to be their D line again, the
center of their D of course, their safeties and linebackers
arguably the best linebackers in the country, arguably the best
safety in the country, and Caleb Downs, he's the smart player.
I think that ultimately will limit a little bit of

(32:17):
the rushing attack that Indiana has.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
But on the.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
Corners, I do think that, you know, Ohio State can
be susceptible to the crossing or else in some of
the deeper plays that it'll be interesting to see how that,
you know, plays out this weekend with Mendoza, obviously, you know,
it's obviously pretty pretty damn good thrower. So I don't know, man,
I mean, that's that's my quick take on this thing.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
If this were any other team, But Ohio State. Let's
just say that if and I'll put it to you
this way, if Ohio State was allowed, if they said,
you know what, Ohio State, you're the defending national champion,
so we're going to let you sit out the Big
Ten game and pick the opponent for Indiana. And so
they just pick an opponent, Okay, And let's it's not Michigan, Oregon, whoever.
If it were anybody but Ohio State, would you be

(32:59):
rooting for Indiana?

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Say?

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Hell?

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah, man, of course I would.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Absolutely I would because it's mean of a second home
or because of the crementory.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
Right.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Oh no, it's been home for an extended period of time,
you know, I mean as it's you know, I've been
here since twenty ten. I mean for me, you know,
living in this you know, in this city and stuff.
You know, it's a it's a cool story. And you know,
at the same time too, man, I ever take the
success for granted. As a fan, I mean, Ohio State
fans are are truly the most selfish or the most

(33:32):
spoiled people in the country because you know, we we
we lose one or two games and it's the end
of the world, right, Like you look at programs like
Alabama on some of these others that I used to.
But for me, I think it's just a damn cool story.
It's great to see, you know, Indiana having the success
they're having, and when you have fans that have remained
that loyal and the diehards and so on and so forth,

(33:52):
you know it, it's cool to see them get get
rewarded with, you know, with some great performances.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Now I'm not gonna lie to you. As a Clemson fan,
I never thought the situation would come where I'm looking
to see how much hotel rooms are n l Paso.
You know what I mean. I mean, it's you know,
it's just a way.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Well, I'll tell you this.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
I try. I was like, I was excited about going
to the Championship game this week, and I thought I
took it for granted. I was like, ah, you know what,
I used to buy a suite every year in advance
and blah blah blah blah the company pay for is
good fun.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
And I last couple of years, I was like, I'm done.
I'm done.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
I'm done freaking buying a stupid thing, having to watch
Michigan play. I'm not doing a more, so I stopped right,
so I was like this year, I'm like, oh, this
would be great. You know, We'll get to the end
of the year and then I'll make a decision. Well,
Indiana gets in and this is the most outrageously priced event.
I didn't end up doing a beat or anything. I
got very fortunate. A buddy of mine is going to

(34:44):
give me a couple of tickets. But I'm like, dude,
what or I invited you? I said, hey, bro, I'm
gonna buy a suite.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
You want to go?

Speaker 5 (34:51):
And You're like yeah, And then I go to look
up a suite. Yeah, one got sent to me for
an outrageously embarrassingly high priced Like ah yet, no, no, nope,
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
And and here's the all thing, Graham, and I appreciate
the offer, right, and I'm glad you're gonna be going.
But the other thing too, is you've also got in
terms of the company money. You got to replace windows
over at the company, don't you. Didn't you have something
that happened over there recently?

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah, yeah, man, we got shot with some I don't know,
we had a couple of pellet, some high powered pelagan
although somebody was on campus and working at bodies at
the chop house that we've got up here, and they
said it did sound like a bullet, but we believe
it's a pelagon. I shattered two of our windows. Just

(35:35):
got the bill for it fifteen thousand dollars. So if
those kids are listening, thank you. Two juveniles. They went
from us either to Lebanon, shot out some windows in Lebanon,
or went from Lebanon to us. Either way, it doesn't
really matter. It's a shame because they're juveniles. The town
is Zionsvil. The police department did a wonderful job finding him,

(35:55):
but we get no details. I told him, hey, bring
them on over here. We'll teach them a lesson. They
can so sweeping the parking lot will put them to work.
They can pay through there, you know, pay for the
windows the hard way.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
But it is what it is.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
I mean, it's disappointing for sure, but hopefully it doesn't
become a pattern that well.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Lastly, Graham, and I know you're in town. Well, I
mean you live here obviously, but you said you got
indiecar meetings. What what are going on? What's going on
with the meetings today? Is this basically everybody just sitting
around figuring out who's driving where this year because you've
got a new teammate, right.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Nuh, yeah, it's it's this is a series you know,
meetings that we do every year and uh, you know,
meet with I don't know who from Penske, but but
you know, obviously.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Novak and all the boys will be there.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
And so uh yeah, I mean I think it's a
time to give some opinions, you know, not only on
on you know, the fundamentals of the series, but race control,
future events, things like that, and so i'd imagine a
lot of the drivers.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Will be there. But yeah, man, I'm off to that
right now.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Now you've got mix Schumacher as a teammate. Now, Michael
Schumacher's son. This is new. This came about about two
weeks ago. I wanted to ask you about that real
quick before we let you go, just you know, your
excitement level or how much you know about him.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
Yeah, I mean I'm pretty pumped about Mick. He's a
great kid, I mean, a super super great kid, you know,
very very humble, you can tell from a great family.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
And I was actually.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
Sporting you know, engineer zoom and stuff, I think you
just connected my car anyway, engineering zoom and stuff with Mick.
And I'm pretty pretty pumped up about him.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Man.

Speaker 7 (37:34):
I think he's going to be a great asset only
to us, but.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
To the sport.

Speaker 7 (37:38):
I think people are really going to take well to him.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
He's super nice guy.

Speaker 8 (37:42):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (37:43):
His mom, you know, mom was an absolute doll to
all the people, to all of our people, all of
our staff when they came in. No, I think that's it. Uh,
that speaks volume to him, to his family. I'm telling
somebody today, like you think about the prime of Michael
Schumacher and what you know, what Nick grew up in,
you know, a worldwide scale when you talked about same

(38:04):
at that time, you talked about Tiger Woods, you talked
about Michael Jordan, you talk about Michael Schumach, right, and
yet you know, here comes in this kid who's you know,
so humble down to Earthe it's a great guy, and
his mom's the same. It's sweet, man, and I'm looking
forward to it for sure.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Okay. Lastly, Graham, is this the first of two meetings
for Ohio State and Indiana this year?

Speaker 7 (38:28):
I don't believe.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
They don't.

Speaker 7 (38:32):
I don't know i'd say that. I think both have
a good chance as long as the lacker you know,
works and they just went out, they get to the final, right,
But but I you know, to me, it's it's a
long playoff this year, and I think it's going to
be interesting to see. Well, let's put it this way.

(38:54):
They both have got to get yes, I think. And
if they both get yed, then I think they're looking
pretty good.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah, I think they will. I do think they will,
and they both deserve it, for sure. Graham ray Hall,
IndyCar season will be here before we know it. It
starts out, I believe in Saint Pete if I'm not mistaken.
But that's still like four months down the road. Football
to be played between now and then. Graham certainly enjoy
the game on Saturday night. I appreciate the time. I'm
not going to say go bucks, I'm not going to
go that far for you. I want to see Indiana

(39:20):
win this game. But we shall see what happens. But
I appreciate the time. As always.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
That sounds good.

Speaker 7 (39:25):
We'll loop back next week and still.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
All right, sounds good. Graham ray Hall joining us, Java
House Peel and poor guest line that's a pretty good
breakdown though about Ohio State, their corners, crossing patterns, et cetera.
Speaking of the Big Ten, there is the other sport
that is played within it, and it was played last
night at a very high level. I'll look back at
what undoubtedly to be as the best team in the

(39:48):
country and what happened last night. We'll get to that next, Eddie.
I'd like for you to if you could close your
eyes for me, all right, I want you to think
about your fresh year at Decatur Central High School?

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Okay, that would have been what school year, what calendar year,
twenty thirteen, the twenty thirteen year, the fall of twenty thirteen,
or the fall of twenty twelve. Right, it had been
the fall of Let's see, I graduated in seventeen, so
so the fall of thirteen.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yes, you rode the bus, your mom drove you, You
had a neighbor of the book grive you to school,
rode the bus. Okay, wants you to tell me when
you think about that, what song? What music goes through
your mind as the soundtrack reminiscent reminding you of your
freshman year of high school. Because it was everywhere and
everybody was playing it, nobody loved it and nobody was

(40:42):
talking about it. What song would that be.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
That I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
There's a handful, like you almost name any Drake song
from the early twenty tens, and that's probably a fitting response.
Or that Black Beatles song when everyone was doing like
the Ana Can Challenge.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. Now, So for me, I
was a freshman and my sister was a senior at
North Central, so I rode to school with her and
she had the Nxcess Kick cassette tape and that song
that you just played every time I hear it, that's
immediately where I go with it. In the fall of

(41:21):
nineteen eighty seven, that album and that song was absolutely everywhere.
Eighty seven was a good year in college basketball for
the Purdue Boilermakers. It was part of their three peet
Of course, Indiana in the national title, but Purdue was
right there with Everett Stevens, Troy Lewis, Todd Mitchell. That
group part of the triplets that won three straight Big
Ten titles. And that is where Purdue is now in

(41:43):
terms of being in the upper echelon. It goes without
saying in the top of the Big Ten last night
playing in Rutgers and what jumped out at me last
night about that game and about this team. This is,
by all account, one of the deepest teams in college basketball.

(42:05):
And I've mentioned that many times because they can beat you,
they can play so many different ways. They can chameleon
a bit. Last night, just as the game was about
to start, I met up with Bruce Kidd. And Bruce
is a north Side guy and a Purdue guy, went
to Purdue and a Purdue fan, played basketball in high school.

(42:27):
And a heart of gold. You know, Secretariat, They say,
after Secretariat was finally put down as a horse, they
went and saw that his heart was like two and
a half times the size of a normal horse. And
Bruce Kidd, you know, I'm not saying that we need
to put him down in check.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Our Secretariat is the grinches of a horse.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
The grinch of the horses?

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Oh, that's right, the grinch. Did he did have a
big heart, didn't he?

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Well?

Speaker 2 (42:51):
At first? And then there's two sizes too small? And
then it that's right?

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Uh yeah, No, Bruce is Bruce is the opposite of
the Grench. And I'll tell you he's got a heart
two and a half times the size of most because
he does every year an event that is a concerts
for a Cause that raises money for different charities. And
I want to thank Bruce once again because he called
me yesterday and said, you know what, I came up
with a couple more checks for both Firefly and there

(43:18):
are still six hundred plus children that need to be
sponsored for their Hope for the holidays. But he gave
me a check for Firefly as well as a check
for the women and Children's shelter at Wheeler Mission. And
I thank him so much for that and for Concerts
for a Cause as well. And it was my honor
and pleasure to deliver those checks for him. But Bruce

(43:39):
was saying to me as the Purdue game was starting, Jake,
they might be the deepest team in college basketball, and
I said, I totally agree with you. But what's interesting
is last night only nine guys I say only, but
nine guys play. They didn't go deep into their bench
in terms of rotation and minutes for guys. But when
you get a guy like Jakari Harris that is coming
off of the bench gives you twenty minutes of quality minutes,

(44:03):
but is shooting the outside three and it's going down
for him, and now all of a sudden, even though
you know what you got a Fletcher Lawyer, and you
know what you have in Braden Smith who hit four
threes last night. But when you've got guys that are
coming off the bench and other teams don't know who
and where it's going to be, that's what makes them
so dangerous. I also thought last night Daniel Jacobson, who

(44:25):
was hurt last year, and you know Oscar Kloff has
clearly slid in and really played at a high level
at the center position. And what he was, you know,
reputed to be coming in is what he has been,
and that is a low block, rebounding, defensive type player.

(44:47):
Not a lot of rebounds last night. But Trey Kauf
Monarenz picks up that slack. So no matter where you
think that you've got it stopped, if there's an area
of strength for Purdue, there's somebody else that picks up
that slack. And that's what you saw last night. I
think Jacobson played well defensively. I thought Ren was really
good on the boards, and I thought Harris knocking down
those threes shows that you just never know where it's

(45:09):
coming from, and that's what makes them so good and
so dangerous. But more on that, and from the football side,
what could be happening to Purdue in terms of the
trains for portal because and for that matter, the coaching standpoint,
So both sides of it from Purdue will do it
with Sam King from Lafayette. Next one o'clock hour underway

(45:30):
in Indianapolis. For that matter, the one o'clock hour is
underway everywhere in the Eastern time zone. How are you?
My name is Jake Querry Eddie Garrison the other voice
you hear on this program. We call it Querry and Company.
It took a staff of hundreds to come up with
such the creative name for the show. And thank you
to Graham Ray Hall joining us just about an hour

(45:51):
or so ago, thirty five minutes ago or so. A
really good breakdown. I know Graham is an Indy car driver,
but his ability to kind of break down Ohio state
and Indiana from the football standpoint pretty good stuff. And
the other side of things when it comes to the
state of Indiana and football and for that matter, basketball,
when you're talking about the number one team in the

(46:12):
land in Ohio State or some would say Indiana in football.
The number one in the land in basketball we were
just talking about is Purdue. And then on the opposite
side of the way things are going from a football standpoint,
you know, Purdue is a program football wise that is
in the process of trying to do a rebuild. Today
is national signing day for that. Then you also get
the transfer portal is opened up. Wanted to just kind

(46:34):
of cover all of it. So Sam King joins us
now on the Java House Peel and Port guest line.
They have several Java House locations in Lafayette by the way, Eddie,
just so you know, Lafayette Journal and Courier where Sam works. Sam,
how are you man? Happy holidays?

Speaker 9 (46:48):
I'm doing well. I'm staying busy right now, as you
mentioned the number one basketball team, and then it's been
a busy day on the football front. So you know,
based on some of these guys who have flip commitments today,
it's been a good past twenty four hours for produ fans.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Okay, So let's get to that. I want to start
with the football side of things, and let's just simply
go with exactly that I do. I think odom when
he was brought in from UNLV, you know, and I
talked to some people about it that watched his teams
at UNLV, and obviously he was not there a long time.
But one of the things about him with a scouting

(47:25):
report was, look, this is a team that at least
they may not be able to accumulate the most talent
right away because when he was acquired, but they are
going to be disciplined and they're going to play hard.
Now it seemed like some of that might have gotten
away a little bit towards the end of the year.
But I do like him, and I do believe in
the direction. But you got to have players right Where

(47:47):
do things stand right now in terms of who may
be out and then what may be coming in.

Speaker 9 (47:53):
Yeah, so Produer's had two players already announced their intend
to enter the transfer portal, not surprisingly, two guys who
didn't play a lot this season. So that's typically the
first ones who start looking at other opportunities.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
But you're absolutely right.

Speaker 9 (48:07):
I don't think coaching was the cause for what happened
this season with Purdue. It was more talent based and
pretty was just, you know, at a talent mismatch most
games and still was pretty competitive and I would say
like nine out of twelve games this year. So that
was a step in the right direction. And I know
it's a wind boss thing, but I thought there was

(48:28):
a lot of improvement. And now you have a whole
year to develop relationships, hopefully retain some of the guys
you want to and then attack the transfer portal and
the high school recruiting class. And that's where today comes in. Already,
Purdue has got a commitment from Jet Goldsberry Southern and Indiana.
He's a legacy kid who was committed to Ole Myths.

(48:49):
I'm sure Lane Kiffin, the Lane Kiffin saga played into
this a little bit, but that's a huge get for
Purdue to get an in state kid who was highly
recruited and flip the top recruit in Kentucky who was
verbally committed to Louisville. So not a defensive tackle and
a safety right there. That when you're talking about a
defense that allowed thirty two points a game this season,

(49:10):
that's a good starting point. Get some big time of
creats that come in and hopefully change that.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
What do you anticipate in terms sam of transfer portal?
You know the percent of players that may still be
departing the Purdue program, or do you think that there
is enough buy in of, look, I want to be
here to try to build this thing.

Speaker 9 (49:35):
Towards the end of the year, he started to see
some guys fall out of the rotation and some other
guys who were younger start getting more reps. And I
think that that was with the future in mind a
little bit. Now, Purdue will say it was putting the
best product on the field to try to win every Saturday,
and sometimes that's true, but also when you're in a
situation that Purdue was in this year, you do have

(49:56):
to think about moving forward. So I do think that
there will be probably more retention than people would think
from a two and ten team because the guys that
they brought in the portal last year, and there were
a ton of them. I think it was eighty new
players overall, between the funning class and transfers. A lot
of those guys were bought in with the mind that, hey,

(50:17):
if you get sophomores out of the portal, that's almost
as good as game a high school kid if you
can develop them for three years. And I imagine that
that was the plan. And now moving forward, you have
a lot of the same guys who now have a
your experience under their belt.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
When you look stylistically, Sam, and then we'll get to
basketball here in a second, Sam King, my guest Lafayett
Journal and Courier covers Purdue athletics for them on the
Java House Peel and poor guest line. Sam, when you
look stylistically at Purdue, you know, and this is maybe
the danger of branding or reputation, but I think of

(50:53):
college football today as a fast, in space game, and
I think of Purdue and the way that they played,
and in particular, what what Odum maybe did at UNLV
is a more grind out, smash mouth game can produce
stylistically compete in the Big Ten if they master that
style and don't become more of the in space speed

(51:16):
team or am I selling them short altogether?

Speaker 9 (51:20):
I mean, I guess time will tell is the cop
out answer there. But you know, there's several ways to
win a football game, and I think because of what
Purdue had this year, it had to try to slow
games down and grind it out and make the games
shorter for the other team's weapons. So that might be
what played a little bit into you know, running as

(51:41):
much as Purdue did and now is blacking running backs
right now, So they're gonna have to find some help
there to think about that style moving forward. But we
also saw the offense pull out some things out of
the back of tricks. You think back to Notre Dame
where Devin Mackabie through a touchdown pass to Ryan Brown,
very conventional, but something that had been worked on and

(52:02):
didn't work in practice, it sounds like, but it came
through in a game setting and produce run some other
trick plays throughout the course of the year. So I think,
you know, it's going to adapt to whatever kind of
playmakers it has, and this year, just with the makeup
of the team, I think it felt like his best
interest was trying to just, you know, keep the other

(52:23):
team's offense off the field as much as possible.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Do you feel at this point, Sam, from a basketball standpoint,
Matt Painter is not afraid to play anybody. And you know,
Purdue in terms of their schedule when it comes to
selection Sunday, they're going to have a chock full of
you know on the left side where they show you know,
quality wins. They are got a lot of them already.
But do you feel that Purdue offensively has a versatility

(52:49):
about them where they can play different games depending on
who the opponent is or are they more this is
how we're going to play. We do it better than anybody.
Come and beat us if you can.

Speaker 9 (53:01):
No, this team has more variety and versatility than I
think any team that Matt Painters had, just when you
think of all of the different options available, and you
have the flexibility now with Trey Coffman Wren back at
the forth that he can move back and play center
against smaller lineups and things of that sort. And Oma
Mayer has proven to be capable point guard, by the way,

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so you've kind of seen some mix where he's won
the point and Braden Smith's been kind of the two
guard or curling off screens and things like that. There's
a lot of different options here. Now you've got to
think of the big men as pastors a little bit too.
We've seen a Kaufman Wren lobbing over the top. You know,
he's had that short push shot a lot last year
that sometimes now he's dropping that over the top for

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Elio dunks, for Daniel Jacobson or Oscar cluff just a
ton of flexibility, and you're right. The schedule that pretty
played plays this year, I guess is all with March
in mind, and I think that it's going to be
as well tested as you can be. And I've seen
everything you want to see when you get to the postseason.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Was last night the glass Let me rephrase that was
last night the high bar exception for Jakari Harris? Or
is this realistically who he can be for them? In
spot rolls over the course of the year. A guy
that comes in and plays, you know, half the minutes
off the bench, hits a couple of threes and gets
into double digits. Can they anticipate that on the regular.

Speaker 9 (54:27):
I think this is more of what Jakari Harris was
going to be this year. I thought over the summer,
I thought Jakari Harris was produce most improved player and
honestly thought he had a chance to be a starter.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
CJ.

Speaker 9 (54:40):
Cox obviously looks a distinction, but you have to think
of CJ. Cox Carri Harris. In some ways, it's kind
of like one player, what do they give you combined
and some knights it's going to be CJ.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Cox's night.

Speaker 9 (54:51):
We saw against Memphis and the Bahamas. So night's going
to be Jakari Harris's night as it was last night,
and I think you roll with whichever guy is hitting
shots or playing better at the time for what you need.
But yeah, Jacuriy Harris is going to be a guy
who probably ends up at some point in his career
averaging double figures.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
And he's a.

Speaker 9 (55:10):
Much improved three point shooter. People think of him last
year as more of a lockdown perimeter defender, but I
think he has a lot of offensive style to his game.
Two that can help Purdue just adds more depth to
an already deep team.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Boiler Makers already with a big ten win. They did
that last night at Rutgers. Now back Saturday, out of
conference and a big one. It is Iowa State coming
up for a noon start this weekend. Sam King will
have all of it covered for the Lafayette Journal and Courier.
Sam appreciate the time as always, Man, look forward to.

Speaker 9 (55:41):
Talking to you again absolutely anytime.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I'd Sam King joining us on the Java House Peel
and poor guest line. That's the thing, Eddie that's to
me about Purdue. I mean, you look at it, Okay,
you start out and you go and you play at
Alabama top ten team. You go and you play in
a tournament, you go against Texas Tech and you blow
them off the floor. And at that time, Texas Tech

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basically top ten team and I think reputed to be
going into the year. You go and you start conference
play on the road. Then you step right back out
of that and you take on Iowa State top ten team,
you play Minnesota, then you go back out of the
conference again and you play Marquette. Now we saw with
Indiana Marquette team that really is trying to find out
who they are and I think Shaka Smart's kind of

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reassembling things there. Then you go right back out of
that and you go against Auburn and yeah, Auburn's a
little different than what we thought they were going to be,
but still top twenty team. You know, tons of length,
tons of pace, going to challenge you in a lot
of ways. Then you go back and play take on
Kent State. Then you get back into the conference again.
I mean, they're you know, when we talk to Elliott

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Bloom and you can see it. It is just going
to pay such dividends for Purdue of by the time
the big Ten rolls around when other teams in the
Big Ten, and there's going to be somebody in the
Big Ten that is going to exceed expectation in particular
early in the in the league, whether it be a
USC or you know, obviously Michigan's outstanding, right, maybe it's

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Indiana to be hot, Michigan State. Michigan State is very good, yes,
but you know, maybe it's Indiana that comes in and
is just hanging around. But at some point you get
into that extra buckle on the belt level point of
the season, and for Purdue it's going to be like, yeah,
that was November December. This this is nothing. Now. They

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are so battle tested and they already are this particular group.
I mean the number of games those guys have played
together with any team. You say, barring injury, and you
hate saying that about Perdue because of what that means
to the Purdue fan base, which I totally understand and respect,

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But barring injury, there is no reason, no reason to
think this is not the team that is playing right
back here again in Indianapolis for the Final four, and
that would be awesome. That'll be special at the final
fours here in indian produce and that'll be outstanding. And
you know, hey, who knows Indiana can make a run. Butler,
Butler's playing well. I mean, we had a lot of

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good teams in the area, a lot of them Pacers
and Action tonight taking on the Denver Nuggets. Jokicch I
think he's gonna play, right, Eddie?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I think so. Yeah. I haven't seen anything that says
that he won't play.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I know he's been bad on what a rist issue
if you that is correct, but he has played. He's
been probable for basically every game this year.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
If you look at the Pacers and you do you
know Eddie Garrison is the radio producer for the Pacers
broadcast with Mark Boyle and Pat Boiling and Edie Gill
and Eddie Gill this particular team and Eddie White. That's
the post game right, Yeah. Do you smell the cigars
when he comes in here? Briefly there's always a faint

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smelled kind of faint smell goes away.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
The roster itself. You know, my twenty twenty five guy. Yes,
I came up with a new term. I introduced it
yesterday on the show. I don't know if you caught it.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Or not. Okay, the empty calorie guy, Yes, did you
like that one? It's okay.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Empty calorie guy in the NBA is a guy that
you bring him onto your roster and you think, oh,
this guy's actually like a pretty decent player, and then
you realize he's empty calories. You just need calories of
some way, shape or form to because you're hungry, but

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it does nothing to offer you any nutritional value, and
it is not something that is going to assist and
help your body beyond that meal. Mayc Obaston was an
empty calories guy. The Pacers found themselves in a situation
after the brawl. They were down on numbers. Masio Bastin's available,
let's get them boom. Ike diagu was an empty calories guy.

(01:00:07):
Goes out logs your minutes gets you eight to ten points,
and then you look back retroactively and you go that
guy was only on the floor because somebody had to
be out there. Okay, this team sitting at four and seventeen,
and they're oddly entertaining for four and seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Depending on the night. That's for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I'm not trying to carry their water. I'm not trying
to And last year I mean, look, I I will
forever be grateful for that. And an open disclaimer, I'm
a Pacers fan. I admit it. I admit it, but
I'd like to think I still have my objectivity about it.

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I just grew up my buddies and I They were
such a part of who we are and who we
were growing up, and I want to see them do well.
And last year during the finals, I was like, you
know what, I'm just gonna I'm gonna let the world
know it. I'm gonna step out of the phone booth
and guess what. I'm Jake Quarry Pace fan.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Sure, but with all of that, this group, it would
be one thing if they were going out there and
you know, you got no topping, you got Nie Smith's out,
you got all these injuries and whatever else. You'd say,
this is a bunch of empty calorie guys who cares.
I don't care. Wake me up next year, call me

(01:01:23):
Green Day, and call this year September, wake me up
when it ends right. But they actually compete. They go
out and play pretty hard. They they hit a wall
just because they don't have you know, the breakthrough. I mean,
Siakam has been really good and Jarris Walker has a

(01:01:45):
man is he what's that up and down? Yes? And
when the up is up, you see it and you
go okay. But then he goes out a night like
the other night where he's over five from three point
range and you know, his body is so unique and
the game slowed down for him a little bit, and
he does do some intangibles that are very intriguing and

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very enticing. But you really want between Jerris Walker, Isaiah Jackson,
and probably Ben Shepherd. For those three guys, this is
a silver platter being handed to them of here is
opportunity now with that when you look at guys on

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this roster that are new faces that we were previously unfamiliar,
Jay Huff, Garrison Matthews who they just brought in obviously
on a hardship. Yeah, Ethan Thompson that he is he
a two way or ten day guy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Two way? They waved way j Dennis I do they
waved him to a two way and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Then Jeremiah Robinson earl of those guys, are there any
and Taylon Peter is a guy that was drafted late
two way guy, kind of a Ben Shepherd type player.
Are there any of those guys Eddie that you look
at and you say, that's more than an empty calories guy.
That's a guy that I think may actually have a

(01:03:13):
long term spot within this franchise once they are back
at the health level of where we expect them to be.
Which of those guys, if any, do you think could
actually stick around long enough where you're like, you know what,
there might be a spot there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I would have to say Jeremiah Robinson Earle.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I would tend to agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Not a great shooter, but his length defensively and his
activity defensively in his rebounding, I think are three things
that they need.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
His rebounding I would agree with that. In particular, he.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
He looks like he could be yes like that eleven,
twelve thirteen guy that can give you emergency minutes on
a legitimate everybody healthy foundation team, right, And he's the
one guy that through this I think you can look

(01:04:10):
at and go, you know what, maybe there is that
found ten dollars bill when you're doing your laundry.

Speaker 9 (01:04:14):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Jay Huff is the other one. I do like Jay
Huff and when they I think that we had I
always say players sometimes are unfairly evaluated based on how
or where or why they were acquired, and in Jay
Huff's situation, because he was acquired shortly after the Miles

(01:04:35):
Turner departure, automatically, in your mind you go, that's Miles
Turner's replacement.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Well that, and you look at the whole analytical aspect
of a jac of people were like, you know, you
look at Jay Huff and you're like a per thirty
six minutes he was averaging, you know, similar statistics to Miles.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Turner, and he can shoot from the outside and whatever else,
and then you realize that there is a much more
defined minute ceiling with Jay Huff. However, right now you're
playing him, you're starting him. He's hitting like five threes
to start every game, and you're up fifteen to ten,
and everybody gets excited, Oh, oh my gosh, this guy's
going for sixteen and then he ends up with seventeen.

(01:05:10):
But I'm being facetious, but you get my point. But
he does have the ability to shoot from the outside,
and he is very active defensively around the rim and
can irritate some things. Now, he doesn't have the lower
body physicality body control that Miles Turner has, and so
he can't be as physical on the regular on anything

(01:05:33):
other than leaping up last minute two block shots will
protect Rim and that he does get pushed out of
the lane a little bit. Those things there are some
you're giving up a little bit there. But and Isaiah
Jackson is the guy that I thought was going to
be far more active in terms of like being their
starter and being their guy. And Jay Huff has kind

(01:05:56):
of moved in front of Jackson on that depth chart.
But I do think, and I'm going to go back
to what I said yesterday, ultimately I believe that whoever
becomes once Tyre's Halliburton is back a year from now,
and it's probably going to be a year from now
before we really see him going twenty five games in
before you get a real idea where his achilles is

(01:06:17):
in what he is. But once you get Halliburton back,
and once you have Nie Smith healthy and Toppen is back,
and I'm talking about a year from now, literally a
calendar year from now. In that scenario, it is my
belief still that the player that is the replacement for
Miles Turner in the core group that we saw that

(01:06:38):
became within a half of winning the NBA title. The
replacement for Miles Turner right now is playing elsewhere, and
he's not playing in college. He's playing in the NBA.
And that player, I think will then be spelled in
minutes by the combination of Jay Huff and then Isaiah Jackson,
who may be spelling minutes at the four as well.

(01:07:01):
And I think that that player is facilitated via a
trade that involves Bennedict Matheren before the trade deadline. At
no fault of Benicmatherins, but I think if Matheren is
a guy that was going to entice you into the
fact of we've got to maintain this guy no matter
what happens, I think he would have been showing it more.
And I know he was hurt, but he would have

(01:07:21):
been showing it more consistently to this point than he has.
But back into the Colts, they have a new guy
in the locker room, and it meant that they bypassed
a guy with which you might be far more familiar
the reasoning on all of it. Next, speaking of this song, Eddie,

(01:07:43):
if you factor in whether sports calendar, what's around the
corner or around you know, next on the horizon on
the calendar and schedule, birthdays, sunset and sunrise times, all

(01:08:03):
things factored. And we take May out of it because
I am going to do you the civic favor in
this town of telling you that when you're asked this
question publicly on airwaves in Indianapolis, your answer has to
be May. So I'm taking May out of it. The

(01:08:26):
Eddie Garrison best month of the year is what September?
I think it's way up there right. Well, that's when
I was born. So, but the the weather's always perfect,
that's true. College football is getting really into the swing,
the NFL is getting into the swing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Post season baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Postseason baseball is coming down the stretch. And you also
know that you have because October is around the corner.
But October isn't depressing like November and December are, right
in terms of weather. Yeah, so September is really high
on the list. June and July are pretty tough to

(01:09:04):
beat though. I mean it's hot and human and that
kind of sucks. But being out at nine thirty at
night in daylight is pretty awesome. But that fits into
my wheelhouse. So the Colts have a new kicker. This
we know. We knew this yesterday. We had a pretty
good idea who it was going to be, because we

(01:09:24):
talked about this player yesterday, Blake Groopie, And I'm again
I'm embarrassed, and I apologize to fans of the Fighting
Irish that I had forgotten that, despite starting his career
at Arkansas State, that he had played his last year
of college football with Notre Dame with Brian Mason.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
What's that familiarity with Brian?

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
By the way, I parked somewhat illegally in the parking
building today and one of our engineers is peering his
head in.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Do you think they're towing my car? Is that what
he's coming in to tell me?

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I didn't see who was who was looking in. Nick's
out there looking in any chance you can go find
out to make sure that I'm not getting You're giving
me permission to walk away from the board for a
second a second, okay, yes, just don't say anything. Well,
I need to hit the dumbpip.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Okay, I'll try not to. Here is the reality the
situation has been presented for the Colts of this necessity
for kicker because Michael Badgeley has missed multiple extra points
and I think when it comes down to it, and
the kicker position is one that in reality in the

(01:10:32):
NFL there are like four to five it's probably a
higher number, but probably a quarter of the franchises have
a kicker that's like, that's our guy, and you never
think about it. And we got spoiled by that in
this town with Vinitari obviously right, and even before that,
Vander Jett and Kerry Blanchard both had you know, pro
Bowl level consistent years. I mean, vander Jett had as

(01:10:56):
a cult arguably the most prolific and successful season that
a kicker ever had. I mean, certainly at that time
he did, you know, he made every single kick, and
he was the most accurate kicker in the history of
the league upon the time that he left Indianapolis. But
I think what it came down to is twofold. The

(01:11:17):
reason I bring all this up is because Justin Tucker,
who is undoubtedly the most successful kicker, if not in
league history, certainly of the last half decade in the NFL.
It's Justin Tucker in both accuracy, reliability, and more so distance.
He is a weapon beyond weapon in the fact that

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he is what Matt Gay was supposed to be when
Matt Gay was signed here and with Chris Ballard, it
was yeah, but wait until you see the leg on
this guy in the distance from which he can hit kicks,
and that is very intriguing and enticing. And Justin Tucker,
of course, Eddie has come back in everything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Good. Yeah, you're good. They didn't tell my car right, No, okay, good? No.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
See. I don't know if people know this or not,
but they're doing some construction on one of the floors
in our building here and so everything's been condensed to
one floor instruction to go with that. Well, you know,
I'm just I'm being politically correct, and so I had
to get creative of my parking spot because it was
full when I got here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
But I thought my spot was okay. But anyway, so
back to Justin Tucker.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Justin Tucker is now completed a ten games suspension from
the National Football League. Yep, this suspension, and I guess
a little bit of an irony here. On a day
when Deshaun Watson was cleared to begin practicing for the
Cleveland Browns, Justin Tucker is in discussion. Justin Tucker was

(01:12:49):
suspended ten games by the NFL for allegation of inappropriate
behavior and some pretty gross allegations against him when it
come to massage therapy and massogyny and sexism and other
such things with massage therapists. Now, in the sake of fairness,

(01:13:15):
I would assume that the NFL, by suspending him for
ten games, that means that the NFL did their own
investigation and drew their own conclusions, and that there had
to have been some sort of fire with the smoke. However,
to be fair, I will point out that Justin Tucker
was never criminally nor civilly charged with any allegation. There

(01:13:38):
was never anything that was brought to him in terms
of from a legal standpoint, but nonetheless enough that the
league deemed it worth penalizing him a ten game suspension,
and also the Baltimore Ravens releasing him as a kicker.
With all of that, it is enticing. It is intriguing

(01:14:02):
to have a player of that resume, of that skill
set available at a position in which you have need.
But I go back to something that Tony Dungee said,
and the player that Tony Dungee was talking about was

(01:14:24):
Michael Sam and Michael Sam coming into the draft when
he was coming out of Missouri a number of years
ago was at that time, maybe it still is, I
don't recall, but it was a big story in the
news because he was the first player to enter the
NFL draft having publicly come out of the closet, and

(01:14:47):
while that is inconsequential to his football ability, Tony Dungee
somewhat controversially until you really read the fine print of
what he said. Tony Dungee said he is not a
player I would and people automatically jumped on that as
some sort of a homophobic statement. What Tony Dungee was

(01:15:08):
saying when you really read the fine print and when
he clarified it was it has nothing to do with
I have nothing against him as a person in terms
of his lifestyle or his away from football choices. But
because he is the first, because he is a trailblazer,
because he is a unique player in a social atmosphere

(01:15:30):
like that, he is going to bring with him a
level of fanfare, a level of scrutiny, a level of
media attention, a level of analysis that a player of
his skill set would normally not bring. And so therefore
you have to weigh out the amount of extra energy

(01:15:52):
that is brought in by that player versus the energy
they bring to the field. And in my opinion, I'm saying,
Tony Dungee, the energy or the attention or the glare
or the focus or the spotlight that is brought by
acquiring that player is a greater amount of impact on
the franchise than that of what he brings on the field. Now,

(01:16:15):
if you have a player that has extra baggage or
I'm not saying that's baggage, extra glare, extra focus, extra spotlight,
extra conversation, whatever it might be, if you have a
player that brings all of that to the table. Aaron
Rodgers is a good example. Aaron Rodgers, for like five
years now, has been NonStop drama. You know, if you

(01:16:37):
acquire Aaron Rodgers that on his off day, he's going
to be doing national talk shows and he's going to
be sitting there throwing out like weird conspiracy theories and
talk about getting coffee enemas and all kinds of weird,
whacked out stuff right probably on Peyoti at the time,
who knows, And you got the personal life of like,
you know, he didn't like this guy, that guy, whatever
it might be. But Aaron Rodgers is a phenomenally talented

(01:17:00):
football player, and Aaron Rodgers maybe up to this point
and maybe those scales are now a little bit different,
but Aaron Rodgers for a long time brought with him
enough football acumen that it was worth all of the
additional glare in spotlight and focus and in the case
of Justin Tucker, a phenomenal kicker. Clearly, the Colts looked

(01:17:24):
at this and said, look, we have an offense that
is scoring more points still to this day than anybody
this season in the National Football League, and we score
a lot of touchdowns, and we're gonna need a guy
that can simply hit extra points. We don't need Steph
Curry hitting threes from the logo all the time. We
just need somebody that can hit the occasional free throw
for us. And Blake Groupi, in terms of his career

(01:17:47):
when he was with the New Orleans Saints, notably okay
with the Saints from a field goal kicking standpoint seventy
five to ninety four, nearly eighty percent from an extra
point standpoint eighty six of eighty eight. So he Michael
badgely since being acquired by the Colts, has missed more

(01:18:08):
extra points than has Groupie in three years as a
kicker for the Saints.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Yeah, but this guy this year talk about a Groupie
eighteen of twenty six on field goals. So like, you
gave up a guy from missing three extra points, but
he hadn't missed a field goal, right understood for a guy.
But I think he's missed one field goal.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
I think for Chris Ballard though, it comes down to
make the layups. Make the layups. But and I get
here was justin Tucker there and there was need. I
just think the extra stuff it would have been too much.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Yeah, I agree. And the other part of this too
is that even though he is one of the greatest,
greatest kickers of all time, if you just look at
his past three seasons, he hasn't been the Hall of
Fame resume guy that he was for the first you
know whatever, it was ten years of his career. If
he's sixteen of thirty beyond fifty yards and in the
last three seasons that he killed, how old is Tucker?

(01:18:59):
He was born eighty nine, so he is thirty six, Okay,
just turned thirty six.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
I mean granted, for you know, George Blanda was kicking
when he was seventy four years old? Not literally, but yeah,
how old was Venetaria? But Vinitary though, you know, Vanitary
is another interesting one because how old was Vinitary when
he retired?

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Is he forty two? I don't think he's ever officially retired,
but I mean, you know what I mean, when he
quit playing forty two?

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
I think is right? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Yeah, I think he was four two.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
And well, Vinitary had to have officially retired because isn't
he now eligible for the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Yeah? I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Yeah, so that means he had to have filed his paper.
But yes, but Vinitary, you gotta admit, I mean goes
without saying, the greatest kicker to do it right, But
when he fell off a cliff, he fell off a cliff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Man, so he vanit Terry was born in seventy two?
Is finally year was seven? Yeah? Forty six or forty seven?
He had depending on when his birth was? December twenty eighth,
Is it really? I always thought that would be the
biggest buzzkill ever? Or New Year's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Yeah, nears be rough. Wouldn't it be terrible?

Speaker 6 (01:20:04):
Though?

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
To have your birthday December twenty fourth or twenty fifth.
I mean you get to share it with the greatest
that's good. But other than that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
I mean you know everybody'd be like, now, here's your
gift now, just so you know, that's both birthday and Christmas?

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Okay? Thanks?

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
When's your birthday? September?

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
What twenty fourth? Did you ever celebrate a half birthday
when you're a kid? No, My half birth depends on
who you ask. My dad's birthday is my half birthday?

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
Really?

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Okay, meaning your birthday is his half birthday? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Stephanie McComb my half birthday. Every year on her birthday,
I wish her a happy birthday and she says, oh, well,
how do you remember I said it's my half birthday.
And then she says to me half birth which is
half a happy birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
See how I did that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Joel Erics, you're going to join us about forty five.
We'll get the latest on what's going on West fifty sixth.
This from AJ at two nine ten. Appreciate the texting
in what you just said about comparing Justin Tucker to
Michael sam As just utter bunk. It's bull Justin Tucker
abused women, he had any charges brought against them, because

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these cases oftentimes are hard to charge in a civil court.
The NFL clearly, as you said, found something wrong. Justin
Tucker's a scumbag. I think we both agree with that.
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
As for Michael Sam by your own definition, Jackie Robinson,
I guess shouldn't have been highed because he was a
distraction as well. Again, AJ and I appreciate. I think
AJ and I probably in terms of the you know,
the condemning Justin Tucker and at the same time applauding
Michael Sam. You know, I was not comparing the two.

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I was simply saying I was using the comparison of
Tony Dungee, and it was the Michael Sam situation was
simply the time where that the thought process of an
analysis of a player that is a marginal roster player
having weighing in the media scrutiny that comes with it,

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be it fair or unfair, just or unjust. That was
the first time that I had heard an executive or
a coach, or somebody who has the power to know
and make those decisions admit that those things do factor
in and in the current in the term of Justin Tucker.
To AJ's point, because of the fact that there were

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no charges brought against him, it does become more difficult
to utilize that as the reasoning. But he is a
in terms of the craft, he's a very good or
has been a very good player. And I would think
I was simply saying the first time that I was
made aware that. Yes, in fact, outwardly a team would say,

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scrutiny above and beyond the statistics is something that we
factor and in the case of Justin Tucker, I believe
it is something that is factored. This from Nick on
the text line, Jake is right about Jay Huff. He's
only a change up in the off the bench. He
can't get more than that, and then he gets exposed.
I think Jars Walker is not very good. They should

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have traded him by now. This from Matt Hey, Jake
or Eddie. Do you think the Colts may kick the
tires on Darius Slay? And with all the talk of
the Daniel Jones injury, did anybody say how Jones was injured?

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That has never been answered how it was injured. I
believe he first showed up on the injury report if
I'm not mistaken the week of the Kansas City game, right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
That is correct? Yeah, wasn't on the report Wednesday, then
was listed on the report on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Now as for Slay, I don't know. I'm in a
mid thirties corner. I don't know because Sausgarter's that going on? Ir.
I think you roll with what you got, right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Just play Jalen Jones. Try to watch Makai Blackman Jalen Jones,
I like, I don't get what he's done to be
in like the quote unquote doghouse because even back to camp,
like I understand he wasn't healthy during can't just the
fact that they couldn't see him for a lot of
that time, right maybe? But even still they as soon
as they signed in Xavi and Howard off the street,
who hadn't played in over a year, ZAVII and Howard

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was listed as a starter over over Jalen Jones immediately
without he even taking a snap in practice.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
But I'm with you on I think at this point
because Gardner, Gardner's gonna miss, I would put it at
three games.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
If it gets beyond that, then you start getting curious
about it, and it is easy to start to then
analyze like what they gave up for him, et cetera,
and you forget like, look, this is there is a
long term vision here. You know, he's got a lot
of money attached to him that they have agreed to
take upon. So it's not like he's going anywhere anytime fast.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
You know what I mean. By the way, do you
find it odd not to totally switch subjects here, but
how Diego Pavia went from not even being mentioned in
the top three for the Heisman to now he's you know,
neck and neck in the race with Fernando Mendoza and
Julian Sand.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
I have an answer on that, and Jeremi reasoning for that,
I follow aneasoning for that. I'll tell you next. So, Eddie,
if you could please repeat for me the question you
asked just before we took our two o'clock recess there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
So last week, when you looked at the Heisman odds,
it was clearly a two man race between Julian Sand,
quarterback of Ohio State. I used quarterback Fernando Mendoza, and
then lurking in the background, the best player in college
football in my opinion, Jeremiah Love was number three, nobody
was talking about Diego Pavia, about a Heisman finalist, that

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he should be there in New York, and all of
a sudden, if you look at the odds, there's been
a major change. It's like neck and neck now between
Mendoza saying and Pavia.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
A couple of things come into play here number one,
and I'm being very facetious. We should have a sarcasm
meter alert, because sometimes I think people can't realize or
recognize or hear the sarcasm under which I speak sometimes

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and depending.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
On which book you look at, Jake Mendoza is the favorite,
and then it's Diego Pavia and now Julian Sanna. And
even though if you go based off of last week
performances alone, like you look at Mendoza, he didn't look
great against Purdue and agreed, Julian Sanna looks fantastic against Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
You think he did look fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Yeah, I thought he looked good.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
I think a couple of things factor in, the first
of which is my sarcasm. In terms of Pavia and
discussion about him for the Heisman, there was a picture
that went semi viral over the weekend. Did you happen
to see it. I did not. His mom was at

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the game wearing a huge a shirt that in huge
letters says Pavia for Heisman with Vanderbilt on it, and
at one point the television cameras caught a glimpse of
her kind of leaning over the railing in her shirt.
I have not seen a lot of her, but at
least in the images that went semiviral of her wearing

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the shirt. She's an attractive woman. And all of a sudden,
literally that image I think went so viral that it
was like, why not this guy for the heisman? Right?
Are you looking at the photo?

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
I'm seeing a video.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
And in the video your thoughts I think she's, Ah,
it's not aj Mccaerron girlfriend level, like what's going on here?
But it's up there right now? It is what's going
on here?

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Like, I mean, you're a mom and I don't know
how old she is, but she's actually she's still in college.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Well I got news for you, Eddie. I mean, don't
even get me started on half the people that I
know that I went to college with that are like
you know what I mean, they're shutting down upstairs pub
at three in the morning. And I'm like, what are
we doing? You're fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Don't you remember when you were in college you looked
around anybody over thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Like, who's the old guy who turned this into arp?
But I digress. I think the bigger factor is this. Okay,
and I have voted for the Heisman once. Now I
thought it was interesting yesterday. What's app you have? Yes,
I was a Heisman voter in the two thousand season.

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Maybe would you like to guess who I voted for?

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Well, Jake, I was barely two years old, so I
need to go look at the ballot first and foremost.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
I will tell you the exact year, okay, the year
that I was a Heisman voter, and I don't recall
the reason why I was granted. It was the two
thousand Heisman year.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Okay, I'm looking at the voting. People around here are
not going to be happy, probably with me, if I'm
not mistaken.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
Who were the final five? The top five?

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Chris say the last name from PRIs Waki, thank you,
Josh Heipel, Drew Brees, Ladanian, Tomlinson, Damian Anderson, and then
there was Michael Vick, Santana Moss and that's about it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Some pretty good players on that list.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Yes, some other names. I can't say that. I'm even
going to try.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
I was, to be fair, I was covering the Big
eight at that time. I was not covering the Big ten,
so I did not see Perdue on the regular Do
you want to guess which of those I covered or
I voted for?

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Where were you at the time in two thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
Saint Louis, I was a credentialed coverer of the University
of Missouri.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
I'm gonna guess you're gonna you voted for uh Ladanian Tomlins.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
That is correct, that is who I voted for. But
there are a number of things that come into play
here on the Heisman. I think because you had so
much discussion about Mendoza and saying going into the holiday weekend,
and by the holiday weekend, I mean, people were It's Thanksgiving,
people are watching games everybody knows about. You know, you

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got Indiana Purdue on a Friday night, prime time cable
t or non cable television. Then you've got obviously Michigan
Ohio State, huge game. And for Indiana, what hurt Mendoza?
And I'm gonna give you what helps and what hurt him?
What hurt him was, to your point, he did not

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have a game that jumped out at you. You watched it,
and you know, he kind of went through the motions
and they absolutely annihilated Purdue. Probably didn't help him if
people were even still tuned in that late that his
replacement came in and immediately ripped off like a fifty
eight yard run or whatever, and it's like, man, but
his brother, Yeah, well, I mean I understand that, but

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I'm saying to a voter that lives out Albuquerque, you
know what I mean. Yeah, So there is that factor
for Mendoza, the body of work over the course of
the year, the statistics, the touchdown to interception ratio, and
again the thing that helps him the most. Most Heisman

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winners have at some point. It's just like I say,
when you watch a movie. When you watch a movie
and some actor or performer has a signature moment and
and you know that you're watching greatness and acting, and
you say to yourself that right there, that's the clip
when they introduce it as one of the nominees for
the Oscars that they're going to use. That's the moment.

(01:31:57):
And in the Heisman tip, there is a play that
you go, you see it, and you go, that's it.
That's the play they're going to use. And for Mendoza,
it was that play against Penn State. Even though it
was a phenomenal catch, it was that play against Penn State.
I think a little of what hurt Mendoza.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
It's not your fault, will it's not your fault.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Right right. I think of what hurt Mendoza a little
bit is and I get why it happened, but they're
very clearly was a campaign by Indiana to get him
out front and foremost to as many people as possible,
and get him on programs and get him on talk shows,

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and get him everywhere. I'm talking from a national standpoint,
and start promoting his Heisman balloting during the bye week.
And there might be a little fatigue that kicked in
with that, But that's the plus and the minus of
his campaign. The other thing, by the way, the other
plus that really helps Mendoza, and I think personally this
might be what tips the scale for him is the

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fact that he played previously in the Pac ten. Now
I realize calls an acc school, but he played in
the Pac ten. Voters on the West Coast and I
know now UCLA and USC is the big ten, and
you know that's the West. But voters throughout the West
Coast have seen him play and are aware of him

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and likely followed what he was doing to Indiana, so
he blankets if this were an election. He has campaigned
in a larger part of the country and is more
known to constituents in a larger base and footprint with
more states than others. Now Julian saying, wonderful player came

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into a situation like Mendoza transferred, So people at Alabama
perhaps are familiar with him, but they didn't see him
play a lot Alabama obviously, but he goes to Ohio
State and has had an unbelievable year. But what was
the storyline in the Michigan game, Eddie, What was the
national storyline about Ohio State other than Ohio State hasn't

(01:34:15):
beaten Michigan in a number of years. What was the
big storyline? The big storyline from a personnel standpoint for
Ohio State going into that game on Thanksgiving weekend was
they get their top two receivers back. They have two
of the best receivers in the country, the two best
receivers that Jeremiah Smith and what he can do, and
the fact that they got two guys and all you

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kept hearing about was Sunday level receivers, Sunday level receivers,
stretch receivers, guys that can get themselves open, guys in space.
And so there was so much discussion about the talent
level of who he was throwing to that it then,
even though he has been unbelievable and I'm taking nothing

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away from Ohio State fans want to immediately hear something
and goes shoon, you guys a hater on a high state.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying, pardon the pun that
with Julian saying be it fair or not. He gets
demerited a little bit by the fact that he is
throwing to and I'm not saying Mendoza doesn't have good receivers,
but not to the level of what Ohio State has.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
I heard it Joey Galloway and Kirk Kirbstreet talking about
this in the Heisman race, and Joey Galloway asked Kirk
Kirkstreet who's the best player in Ohio State and he
said Caleb Downs, yes, and then he goes, Okay, who's
number two? He goes, is it Jeremiah Smith? He goes,
you could say that, or you could say Carnell Tate,
like and he's like, see what you're doing. It's like, exactly,

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You've got Julian saying here, and what you're doing is
you're pushing him down.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
That is exactly correct. It goes back to kind of
like the whole CJ. Strout thing too, when he was
coming out of the draft and like people were questioning
whether or not how good he was as a quarterback
just because of the fact that he was throwing to
a Mecca Buca. He was throwing to Jackson Smith and Jigba,
Marvin Harrison Junior, Jeremiah Smith, like he was throwing to
all of these dudes that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
Are NFL ready type of players. And listen, Eddie, this
is what has hurt. In my opinion, there are two things,
speaking of Ohio State football, two things that really hurt
Trevor Lawrence. One of them was getting air dropped into
the Urban Meyer fiasco as a rookie, because I think
the rookie yar is so important for a player. But
more so, I think one of the things that and

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I've mentioned this before. When you are a quarterback at
the college level, Trevor Lawrence in college was throwing to
you know, think about it, right, he's throwing to t Higgins,
He's throwing to Justin Ross, he's throwing to out of
the backfield of Travis etn He's throwing the guys that

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are all playing on Sundays. Wayne Golman was there as well.
Who's a good player, right, another NFL guy. But when
you are throwing the guys that have window, was Sammy
Watkins there with him? No, Watkins was Taj Boyd was
before him. But when you're throwing the guys that have window, okay,
then you don't have your you don't have to learn timing.

(01:37:11):
It's just boom And I think that, And I'm not
in Julian saying. I'm not saying he hasn't had to
learn timing, but not like he's going to have to
learn in the NFL. You know, goes back to the
Peyton Manning line with Tom Moore when Tom Moore said
why didn't you throw that ball? And Peyton Manning said, well,
there wasn't a window there, and Tom Moore said, there
was an NFL window. You got to get out of ten.
You're not in Tennessee anymore. It's the same thing, but

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for Julian saying, who's a wonderful player. But I think
during that Michigan game, people watched that and what they
heard was that talk about those receivers so much that
then it became well, I don't know. And then people
started to ask themselves, Okay, if Mendoza isn't playing and

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starting for Indiana, how many games do they still win?
And while the answer to that is probably eight, then
they see on national television Fernando Mendoza being taken out
late in the third, early in the fourth quarter, and
his little brother coming in and immediately making plays, and
it's like, gosh, maybe a system guy. With saying because
of all that talk, They're like, gosh, maybe a system guy.

(01:38:14):
So then you naturally say to yourselves what other offerings
are on the menu? Vanderbilt Vanderbilt football? Who's what? What
do I know about Vanderbilt football? Leonard Coleman, defensive back,
Indianapolis coach, draft pick, first one in Indianapolis in nineteen
eighty four. That's what I know about Vanderbilt football. I

(01:38:38):
know that Aaron E. Smith played basketball there, and I
know that like Jerry Stackhouse coach there, and I know
that Barry Goheen and will Perdue be Indiana ninety seven there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
But that's about all I know about Vanderbilt football. But
yet Vanderbilt, Wow, vanderb butl look at Vanderbilt. They're ranked
there in the playoff conversation, and they've got this quarterback
that make that's this gutsy, gritty guy that makes play.

Speaker 1 (01:38:59):
Maybe I shoul and take a look at that. And
then you also fall back to the team that is
on national television. And I realize everybody's on national television,
but in terms of prioritize national television, game and running
backs and breakaway runs still salivate you and sell tickets
a little bit, and Jeremiah Love does that. So I
think people started looking beyond then Okay, these two guys,

(01:39:23):
they both have excellent opportunity to show me why they're
the guy. And instead that was well, actually we're going
to do that next week in the Big Ten championship game. Now,
if one of those two guys, saying or Mendoza goes
out because Vanderbilts, now idol, right, they're done, right, Yeah,
notre Dame's done. Those guys got to sit and wait.

(01:39:47):
So now you've got to you watch, and you see
what those two guys do. If one of these two guys,
and I actually believe that Saying has the better opportunity
this than does Mendoza, but if one of them goes
out and has a game where they complete eighty percent
of their passes for two eighty five or more and

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more than two touchdowns, they probably are going to cement themselves.
I love love the Heisman trophy, love it. Love it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
The other aspect too, Like there's a little bit like
the Johnny Manziel, like the the party guy in Diego Poveya.
It became so you know, entertaining for fans. You know,
he's hanging out with Theo Vaughn, He's hanging out with
you know, all these other famous people. He's you know,
blowing up all over TikTok and doing all these different things.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
And I haven't done this in a while, Eddie, But
do you show how much I love the Heisman. I
haven't done this in a while. I've done this with
any five hundred winners. Okay, can you pull up for
me please A list of Heisman Trophy winners.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Yeah, while I do that, I also want to share that. Uh.
Kurt Signetti has now gone back to back as the
Big Ten Coach of the Year.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Do we have the breaking newshoutter news in the Big Ten, Eddie?
Would you like to share it please?

Speaker 5 (01:41:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Kirk Signetti has been named as the Hayes Schlimbecker Coach
of the Year and Dave McLean Coach of the Year.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Okay, congratulations to church Signette. Do you have the list
of Heisman Trophy winners?

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
I was born in nineteen seventy two. Okay, we can
go a couple of years before that or whatever. Give
me a year off the top of your head.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
I'll let you just go, Jake, wherever you want to
start with you wanting to start in the euro was
born seventy two, Sure, why not?

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
I'm going to go with seventy two as Johnny Rodgers
Nebraska right, seventy three, John Cappallletti seventy four to seventy five,
Archie grip In seventy six, seventy seven, ear Old Campbell
seventy eight, Billy Simms eight seventy nine, Charles White eighty,
George Rogers, eighty one, Marcus Allin eighty two, herschel Walker
eighty three, micro Zier eighty four, Doug Fluty eighty five,
Bo Jackson eighty six minute test and Verty eighty seven
to ten Brown eighty eight, Barry Sanders eighty nine. Andre

(01:41:47):
Ware should have been Anthony Thompson ninety Tigh Deptmer ninety one,
g Desmond Howard ninety two, Gino Toretta ninety three. Now
it gets foggy Charlie Ward ninety four with Shaun SALAMYEP
ninety five, Eddie George Dandy warvial YEP ninety seven, Ron
Dayne No, give me the school for ninety seven Michigan,

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Charles Woodson ninety eight, Rondaine No oh ninety oh, gosh,
I would have thought ninety seven ninety eight was give
you the school Texas. Ricky Williams Man all right ninety nine,
rondayne yes, two thousand, Chris Wankie. Then it gets real
Murky one school Nebraska. Oh that's uh Frost No, Eric Crouch, yes, yeah, yeah, okay,

(01:42:38):
two school usc Trojans see. Then it gets you get
into Carson Palmer. Then later you get Linered in there.
Regids vacated.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Reggie Bush was so five. Has it now been given
back to me? I think it was given back to him. Yeah,
So those are four nine, five, Liner and Bush. Three.
Oklahoma quarterback Josh Heipel No Jason White, Yes, I see
we got unfortunately, we got into this era where it
simply was just going to the quarterback of the best team.

(01:43:11):
I mean, in no world was Jason White the best
player in college football that year?

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Right? Or Eric Crouch for that matter. He had a
good year, but no way. Anyway, when I was a kid,
I loved the Heisman clearly, right, Yeah, Bo Jackson, I
do know this, Bo Jackson in eighty five closest Heisman
balloting ever. Do you want to guess who was the
runner up that year? If you get this right, I
will give you one million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
Is this having the genie coming out? Do you have?

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
Do you hear did you hear a noise?

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
By the way, I didn't hear a noise by a
small breeze, just out of curiosity in fact, and it's
not a bottle that he came out of because the
Java it was one of the peel and poor pods
from Java house.

Speaker 8 (01:43:57):
Idio is correct, I loved the Columbia. I particularly enjoyed
the query bundle from the fan oh jobs dot com
with my twenty five percent off. Yeah, that's correct, Robin,
Robin the Genie has a question for you, Eddie.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
Okay, Robin, what's your question? Eddie?

Speaker 8 (01:44:13):
If you can tell me with Bud Jackson won the
closest Heisman balloting of all time in nineteen eighty five
for one million dollars, can you tell me the Iowa
quarterback that year that was the runner up?

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
I wish I could, but I cheated. Did you look
it up? I did? It is not long rather or
is not short rather?

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
But long?

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
Correct?

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
And I believe we had a metiareologist meteorologist in town.
I don't know if he's meteorologist, but he worked at WTHR.
That would be Chuck Loft.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
But this is Chuck Long of Iowa.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
Yeah, Chuck Long of Iowa, the runner up in the
closest balloting of all time for.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
The Heisman Trophy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Pacers and Actions not taking on the Denver nuckets. Do
we have word yet, Eddie on the status of the
Joker probable?

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
That's all it is, is yokitch is probable for tonight.
Jamal Murray questionable. He is dealing with a sprained right ankle.
The Nuggets will be without Julian Strather and Aaron Gordon,
as well as Christian not to be confused with Christian Braun.
Christian Brown.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
Christian Brown has something in common with that Vanderbilt quarterback.
And I would put Jackson dart And as well. Who
was the BYU quarterback that the Jets took that was
a disaster. Huh Wilson, Zach Wilson, those guys all have
something in common. Are you familiar with this?

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
Well, considering you looped in uh Pavia from earlier, considering
the nature of you know, Zach Wilson, I think I
know where you're going with this, Jake, I think I
know where you're going.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
I'm looking up to me. I'm going on I'm strictly
going off of memory with Christian Brown, who had played
at Kansas and was drafted by the Denver Nuggets. But
I think I'm correct in this. Can you google and
confirm whether or not I'm correct?

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
Okay, what am I googling?

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Does he have something in common with the others? And
this is how you know I'm a guy in my
mid fifties when it comes to sports, right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
And it's not going to get to you in trouble
with Shannon.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
No, they have attractive mothers.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
Right, Yeah, I believe Christian Brown does as well. Right,
I'm trying to find a photo. I just the Google
search tells me that I'm correct. Joel Erickson will save
us and will save us mercifully, and he will do
so with the latest from West fifty six. Next.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
So, I'm going to be at Binkley's at five o'clock tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Right, five to seven, apparently Jake five.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
Until seven as part of Mick Ultra, come out, do
a little Papa shot, and then after that I'll be
heading out of the Pacer game. I think I know
I'm going to the game. But five pm Bankley's tonight.
I love Bankley's awesome place. Look forward to seeing everybody
there for that. So are you a good Papa shot guy, Eddie?

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
Thank you for bringing that up. By the way, You're welcome.
Joela Ericson joins us now on the Java House Peeling
Port guest line. Joel, A you a good Papa shot guy.

Speaker 6 (01:47:31):
I'm excellent. I'm an excellent player.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
I mean that was not even a hesitation.

Speaker 6 (01:47:37):
Now, the last time, the last time that we were
in an arcade with my kids, they got mad at
me because we got to the end and I had
way more tickets than them because I just kept doing
the Papa shot.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
Okay, fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
Do you do the moving papa shot or just the
standard papa shot.

Speaker 6 (01:47:58):
Both? Usually there's just like one papa thing in there,
so you're kind of at the mercy of whatever the
arcade wanted to put in.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
There, because there are times, you know, they have the
Papa shots where the goal is moving back and forth,
and that's kind of what it seemed like Michael Bagley
was looking at in terms of extra points, right.

Speaker 6 (01:48:19):
Yeah, it really is, because, like you know, you ask
the question whenever a guy's missing extra points, like is
there anything specific? And at one point Brian Mason said, well,
he missed the first one left and he missed the
second one right, so no, they're not the they're not
the same. And then this last one and he kind
of just slammed, kind of like when you pull your
driver and you don't you don't look it, you just

(01:48:42):
pull it directly down the fairway into a tree.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
I know that feeling all too well.

Speaker 1 (01:48:49):
Let's get to this, Joel. It's unfortunate because the kicker
is a relatively unless you have an elite one, it
can be kind of an interchangeable position. And it's it's
only noteworthy when you make a kicking change late in
the year, when I shouldn't say it's only noteworthy when,
but it becomes more noteworthy when one of the greatest
kickers in the history of the game is a guy

(01:49:10):
that you brought in and you decided not to go with.
And I had forgotten about this, and I want you
to tell me if you think this was a factor.
Justin Tucker is a guy that has been a very,
very good kicker in the National Football League. Undoubtedly, he
was never criminally nor civilly charged with allegations of inappropriate
behavior with massage therapists and sexual harassment. Essentially, he was

(01:49:32):
never charged with that, but the NFL did their own
investigation suspended him ten games. Do you believe and I
would totally understand and support this, but do you believe
the Indianapolis Colts being led by an ownership group of
women factored into why he was not signed?

Speaker 9 (01:49:50):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:49:51):
Real I really don't know if because the thing is like,
I would think that in that case, if it played
a role in him not being I would have thought
that he wouldn't even bring him into the tryout, you know,
if it was if the stance was that strong against
you know, the allegations at sixteen it's not therapist in

(01:50:13):
the Baltimore area made, I would thought you wouldn't have
brought him in for the tryout. I really don't have
any necessarily any thought of or answer to go on
based on prior history of whether or not that would
have played a role.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
With the kicker that they end up going up with.
What can you tell us about him? Blake Groupie, he's got.

Speaker 6 (01:50:36):
A bigger leg than Michael Bagley. The idea that like
he's you know, he's a guy who's kicked I think
either fifteen or sixteen kicks that he's made from fifteen
plus yards now, he's missed the trade off years that
he's missed a significant amount of field goals in his
career too, especially this season. But he does have a
bigger leg coming into this year. I think he was

(01:51:00):
supposed to be the Saints franchise kicker, and I know
in New Orleans. They were a little bit surprised when
the Saints who leaves him, not because he was not
because they thought he was kicking better than the Saints did,
but just because what did the Saints have to lose
by keeping a young kicker who's struggling? You know, I
think I think that the biggest thing the Colts are

(01:51:22):
betting on here is just that Brian Mason knows him,
He's worked with him before in a at a time
of year when any kicker you bring in is some
level of uncertain I think they're kind of betting on
that familiarity to kind of get group by back to
something closer to what he was last year, when he

(01:51:42):
was a solid NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
Kicker, Joel, Do we know yet when? Maybe it's irrelevant now,
I guess, but I guess it could give us indication
as to how long he's been playing with this and
what we can anticipate moving forward. Do we know when
Daniel Jones got hurt?

Speaker 6 (01:51:59):
He says that he felt it for the first time
on that Thursday when he got placed on an injury report.
There was an answer where he said something to the
effect of something that's been hanging around, but he didn't
really say much more than that. So, yeah, we don't
actually know when exactly Daniel Jones got hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
So do you believe that Jones in terms of his maneuverability?
Have we now seen the ceiling for this year in
terms of pocket maneuverability and escapability of Daniel Jones?

Speaker 6 (01:52:39):
I guess my understanding is that the Colts and Jones
both believe that this can heal well he's playing, And
I know what that sounds like because in my head,
how but I don't. Also, I'm also not a I'm
also not somebody who's ever really dealt with a fractured
pigular that someone's playing through before. I don't have a

(01:53:00):
I don't have a I try to keep like a
not necessarily like an actual on my computer or anything,
but I try to keep a file in my brain
of injuries that I've covered before the guys have played
through or didn't play through. I don't remember ever having
a fibula injury like this, So I don't know. And
the other thing is like, there's also the piece of

(01:53:20):
this where they say, well, they don't think he can
hurt it worse by playing. That also seems crazy, But
you know. I don't know, but they would know more
than I would.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
Joel Erickson is our guest Indianapolis Star is on the
job of house peel and poor guest line. You're around
this team, you are, and I know what it's like
when you're when you're a beat guy. Meaning for those
that don't know, and I think most know this by now.
You are at every media availability you know, you and
and everybody within the local media here. You are there

(01:53:53):
on the available days during the course of the week.
You're there after games, you're there before games, et cetera.
Have you seen, in any way, shape or form, any
change of persona or approach or mentality of this team
from now versus a month ago, As things have started

(01:54:15):
to get a little bit tighter and the pucker factor
for fans has increased.

Speaker 6 (01:54:21):
The the locker room on Sunday felt different than previous losses.
The locker room postgame felt different than previous losses. It
was a little bit more tight. Lip divert willing to
say as much. But then when when we got there today,
it felt like to me that that they've bounced back

(01:54:42):
for the most part so to what we've seen before
from the team. So if if there, I don't. I
don't think that the the team itself seals the same
pucker factor that you're talking And that's that's definitely there
within the fan base. I think, you know, those of
us who could cover the team are looking at the
schedule and go, well, you guys don't win in Jacksonville,

(01:55:03):
Seattle's looming after that. You got this difficult schedule. You
can see how it could go bad really really quickly.
I don't think that the Colts are in the same
are in the same spot. I you know, I actually
was thinking about that today and he was just kind
of saying, like, I think we've all heard this from
really not just football players, but like any athlete. I

(01:55:26):
feel like anytime they're asked thought, hey, things are going bad,
how do you step back out of it? They always say, like,
it's just you don't dwell on that stuff. I think
the hard part for us is you know that as
a fan and as a as a media member like that,
we are we do dwell on that stuff, and so
the idea that you could somehow just fit out of

(01:55:46):
that and get into your into your preparation is kind
of hard for us to fathom.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
Joel, Jacksonville is a team that you know down there
has been a boogaboo for the Colts. It's been like
the Bermuda Did you believe in the Bermuda Triangle when
you were a Joel?

Speaker 6 (01:56:02):
I don't remember if I remember if I believed in
it or not, but I definitely believe that Jacksonville has cursed.
That's the only explanation for some of these results that
have happened over the last however many years.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
I mean, it is bizarre, right, and yet Jacksonville now
is starting to almost quietly and you know, without a
lot of fanfare to it play better, play more competently.
What do we know or in terms of talking to
the culture Shane Steichen, what do we anticipate out of
Jacksonville of what challenges they create?

Speaker 6 (01:56:35):
Well, I think the biggest one that Colts fans need
to get their head around right now going into it
is that their run defense is very, very very good.
Their first in the league in rushing yards allowed. Their
yards per carry is not quite the same, but it's
still eight. I was looking at some of the advanced
stats on next Gen stats, they're they're close at or

(01:56:57):
close to the top. If all of those. The running
game not really being as efficient or as explosive has
played a pretty significant role in all three of the
losses in the last four games. I think that's one thing.
You know, so much of the conversation on this team is,
you know, just handing to Jonathan Taylor on every play
and it'll be fine. This is this is just looking

(01:57:19):
at their statistical profile. This is a game that feels
like they need to throw and get to Taylor later.
So I think that's one thing specifically. They didn't say
that today, but I was. I was. I do my
game preview that we run on Sundays, I do most
of it on Tuesday, and I was looking at yesterday
I was. It just stuck out to me that this
is a team that, just looking at the numbers you

(01:57:40):
throw on you don't run.

Speaker 1 (01:57:42):
You know. One of the things that was more prevalent
a year ago. And I get it, Jonathan Taylor is
I mean, this guy is a potential carry on my
back level running back. I get it, Joel Okay, but
if I were going to knit pick something offensively, it

(01:58:02):
seemed like a year ago they did use more of
backs aside from Jonathan Taylor, even in like the short
passing game or just spelling him from time to time,
or keeping balance within their running game. Have they completely
abandoned that and if so, does it tell us more
about Jonathan Taylor, about or about Shane Steichen's belief or

(01:58:24):
lack thereof in those that are underneath them.

Speaker 6 (01:58:28):
I I they essentially do play They play Taylor on
almost every snap, and that's that's not necessar. That's not
really common around the NFL. Most teams, even the Eagles
with Sakuon Barkley, you see Kenneth Stanwell in the game.
Sometimes you don't really see that with the Colts. We've
asked Psychin about that over kind of over two years now,

(01:58:49):
and I think it just comes down to you. They
feel like any carry that you don't give to Jonathan Taylor,
that might have been the carry that he was going to,
you know, do what he did in Berlin and turned
something that looks like nothing into an eighty three yard touchdown.
I think like that's that's kind of what we keep
getting back from them, is just you know, we've got
twenty eight back there, that's who we want to run

(01:59:11):
the ball like. They've even you know, kind of I
think He's even said that about like, you know, they
haven't really run Daniel Jones very much. It's like, well,
they've got Jonathon Taylor, you want to see him run
the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:59:23):
Joe. One question that I guess now is the time
to start looking at it. Somebody asked me this earlier today.
Think Rakestraw asked me this earlier today. I thought it
was a good question, and I'll pose it to you.
I've resigned myself to the fact now that and I
think it makes sense when you have Alec Pierce that
is going into free agency and that's going to be
a priority. He's become their number one guy. Adie Mitchell's

(01:59:45):
now in New York, so you can't necessarily elevate like
the position each guy a level here. So if they
go and they franchise Daniel Jones, which I think they
will do because they want to free up money in
particular for Alec Pierce, you got to address that first.
But if they franchise Daniel Jones, does that tell us

(02:00:06):
it's because they simply are doing it to give themselves
financial flexibility to shore elsewhere, or is it because they
are buying themselves that much more time to figure out
whether or not he is the multi year guy.

Speaker 6 (02:00:19):
I think the next five games will tell us that.
I think I think that, you know, whatever happens down
the stretch, he is going to tell us that because
I know that the cold steel like he has played
better over this stretch than than the numbers necessarily say
he has.

Speaker 10 (02:00:36):
But I do think, you know, it's impossible to ignore
the fact that they've lost three or four. You know,
there were turnovers early, there have been some incompletions later on. Again,
I thought, I thought in his last game.

Speaker 6 (02:00:51):
He played pretty well, but like it's just the totality
of the of the four game stretch, there's there's some
reason for worry. But I really think this last five games,
whatever happens in his last five games, is going to
tell us when, if when they make that move to
franchise Tim, what their intentions might be.

Speaker 1 (02:01:08):
Joel A. Ericsson Indianapolis Star, Java House Peel and poor
guest line. This is by far the most professional interview
we've done with you. By the way, are you disappointed?

Speaker 6 (02:01:19):
Uh? Well, no, you guys. You guys opened opened the
segment by playing in the bumper music was the third
down music from when I was at Missouri. So I'm
I'm feeling like really good the whole time.

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
And it was that true?

Speaker 2 (02:01:33):
Was that my intention did not even know that?

Speaker 1 (02:01:35):
Now? What what song was it? Again?

Speaker 6 (02:01:39):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (02:01:39):
Right?

Speaker 6 (02:01:40):
It's uh is it? Ram jam Is that what it's called?

Speaker 2 (02:01:44):
That was Black Betty by Ram Jamson's.

Speaker 6 (02:01:47):
Yeah, Ram Dams, the band.

Speaker 1 (02:01:50):
That was in the movie Blow Right, Is that right?

Speaker 6 (02:01:54):
I think I've only seen blow one.

Speaker 1 (02:01:56):
Okay, well probably in some aspect except that's that's a
smart thing. All right, Joel, appreciate it. Man. We'll talk
to you soon, all right, Joela ericson joining us on
the program JAMV by the way, five o'clock tonight Bankley's.
I will be there the Mick Ultra Mini Hoop Challenge.
Basically it's Papa Shot Challenge and it is fun. We
did a year ago, chance to win all kinds of prizes.

(02:02:18):
Would love to see you. I will be there from
five until seven, and then headed down to the Fieldhouse
for the Pacers and Denver Nuggets, hoping to see everybody
at Bankley's, a fabulous place on College just south. I
brought up with Jmv's up next we'll find out what
he's got cooking. As well when we knew. The crossover
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(02:02:41):
my favorite things about being tonight at Bankley's for the
Mick Ultra Mini Hoops Challenge. If you come out, I
would love to meet everybody first off, but you come
out from five until seven and partake in basically a
Papa shot competition, and if you advance to the finals,
We're going to be doing several of these over the

(02:03:02):
next couple of months, but the high scores get entered
in it's competition. The ultimate prize a trip for two
to go see the Pacers play in Milwaukee against the
Bucks later this season. You get to go see Miles Turner.
But also the best thing about it that is one
of my favorite cities. And I will give whoever wins that,
I'll give you all kinds of tips on where to

(02:03:22):
go in Milwaukee and places to go and things to
do and stuff. I mean, it's awesome, And all.

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
Of a sudden people just became disinterested.

Speaker 1 (02:03:29):
That you mean that if me and get my tips
about Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
Well that that may be an endless conversation, Jake, that's
the problem.

Speaker 1 (02:03:35):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
You may go on and on and on and on
and on and on.

Speaker 1 (02:03:38):
I love it. I love It's great city Milwaukee and
again Pacers and Action tonight taking on the Denver Nuggets
and Jokiic. I know, I think jamb said he's going
to the game as well, just because he wants to
see Jokic and the way that he plays, and I
mean he is, boy, it is fascinating watching him because
he just he looks so low borious the whole time

(02:04:01):
he's playing. Oh yeah, but the effectiveness of what he
does is remarkable, truly is remarkable.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
So if he's NICOLEA. Jokic and his nickname is the Joker,
why do we not call him the Yoker?

Speaker 1 (02:04:15):
It's a great question, Yeah, because I think probably interior
of the chicken egg is not as appealing as just
and you get to play. If it's the Joker, you
get to play. You think about the songs you can play, right,
I guess that's true. I mean you can you can
do yourself. The Steve Miller there's you know, okay, photos

(02:04:36):
of from Batman all kinds of stuff, right, The Joker's Batman?

Speaker 2 (02:04:40):
Right? Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:04:41):
What about the Riddler?

Speaker 4 (02:04:43):
Is he?

Speaker 11 (02:04:43):
Is he?

Speaker 1 (02:04:44):
I'm not up on my comic stuff. Is the Riddler
does he work with the the Are they? Is he
buddies with the Joker? Are they rivals? Are they rival
bad guys? They're both bad guys? Right? Does somebody know this?
There's a Penguin too, There's a ping and that works
into this, right.

Speaker 2 (02:05:01):
Isn't Penguin the sidekick for the Joker?

Speaker 1 (02:05:03):
Okay? Then who's the Riddler? James might know? James, do
you know the Riddler and the Joker in the world
of bad guys? Are they?

Speaker 2 (02:05:12):
Are they homies or are they adversaries of one another?
You need to have abdual help us out here, That's right.
I mean it.

Speaker 11 (02:05:20):
Kind of depends on the comic and the uh, I
guess the story.

Speaker 1 (02:05:24):
In which Okay, so are both of them in a
Batman movie? The Joker and Riddler? Are they both in Batman?

Speaker 11 (02:05:30):
They are both in Batman. I don't know if they
have appeared in a live action Batman movie together?

Speaker 1 (02:05:35):
Are they? Let me ask you, so, the Joker and
the Riddler like the Joker like the High jinks he's
coming up with, right, Is the Riddler helping him out
with that? Or is the Riddler working on a different project.

Speaker 11 (02:05:44):
So the Riddler, I guess, would sometimes be kind of
beneath the Joker, because the Joker is always the main
bad guy in a big bad guys story, but they
might be helping each other up. But also sometimes so
the Niddler is the robin of the Joker.

Speaker 1 (02:05:57):
Yeah, definitely, Eddie, how we can figure these things out?

Speaker 2 (02:06:02):
But how does Penguin factor into this?

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
He doesn't fly anywhere. That's all we know, A right,
that's all I know.

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
Yeah, you see how we're gonna have to deal with
every day.

Speaker 11 (02:06:12):
That was a very dad pun right there.

Speaker 2 (02:06:13):
Yeah, I'm just telling you.

Speaker 1 (02:06:15):
Uh, if you watch the Batman movie with Adam West,
all the villains ganged up.

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
Otherwise they're all solo dudes and dudets.

Speaker 6 (02:06:23):
Okay, I forgot about the sixties Batman.

Speaker 1 (02:06:26):
Yeah, wow, bam, whamo all that stuff. J ANDV has arrived.
The Crossover brought to you by the Good Guys and
Love Heating and Air Love dash HBOC dot com. John,
do you know the difference between the Joker and the Riddler.

Speaker 12 (02:06:39):
The Joker and the makeup and the mask and the
question marks.

Speaker 1 (02:06:44):
But then the who's the Riddler? Huh, who's the Riddler?

Speaker 2 (02:06:46):
The question marks? That's the Ques, That's what we got,
the question marks all over him.

Speaker 1 (02:06:50):
Yeah, and then who's the and then but they're not?
Are they homies the Jokers?

Speaker 4 (02:06:54):
No?

Speaker 12 (02:06:54):
I don't think so. I think that I think that
they were banded together for all that is evil. But
I think that they would stab each other to the
back given the opportunity. Yeah, gotcha, all right, fair enough
like the penguin too.

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
And yeah, I get to be at Bankley's by the way,
coming up at five o'clock.

Speaker 12 (02:07:08):
That I love Binkleys, Hey give her some love to
my friend.

Speaker 1 (02:07:12):
I love Binkley's great place, the great place. What's lined
up in the big program?

Speaker 12 (02:07:16):
Dorocco is going to be on Heredroco will talk Jaguars,
will talk Colts, and I think Kev's on here a
little bit later on a big week tomorrow down to
Columbus at the Garage in Columbus at the largeityve Bourban
locks as Ault, tequila shots, taking a big on the road. Right,
cannot wait? Tie breakers on mass have on Friday never
been there before either.

Speaker 1 (02:07:36):
That's a new joint you said, right it is. I'm excited,
so all rights up next to previewing little Colts. Jaggs,
Kevin Derocco has got a great voice from down in Jacksonville.
Will be with them, and we will be back with
you at noon tomorrow. I thank you for listening five o'clock.
Hope to see you out at Bankley. Thanks for listening
to Quarry Company.

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