Query & Company Full Show 12/17/25 - Caitlin Clark hoops again + is AR done in Indy? - Query & Company

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
At least I have the radio to keep me company
for ninety three to five and one oh seven five
the fan.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
It's a humpday Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
It's actually beautiful outside. Like it's beautiful out. I said
this yesterday. And this is always a fascinating thing to me.
When you go through a weekend where it is the
polar vortex, it's sub zero, it's wind chill, you know,
fifteen below, snow has fallen and now there's just ice everywhere,

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and then you get that just gray slush and whatever else.
And then suddenly, when you kind of least expected, you
walk outside and you're like, you know what, I'm kind
of used to this, and it's say, twenty five degrees
and you're like, this isn't so bad. Fuck you used

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to this. This is like I didn't realize it was.
We were already at spring. And then you look and
you're like, oh, wait a minute, it's nothing's melting. Now
you get up to forty and it's like, okay, well,
now I'm completely used to forty, whereas when it's forty
degrees in early October, I mean, it's holy cow, we
got to get everybody together for a bonfire and how

(01:23):
many snuggies do you have?

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Which is kind of how.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
The football season and the ebb and flow of it
in general goes, because if you take the Colts, for example,
when the Colts were seven to one, and if you
had just the notion at that point of okay, you're
going to be starting games in December, their primetime game

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Monday Night Football against San Francisco, their final two step
within the vision with Jacksonville and Houston. If you would
have told yourself back in say October, that in those
situations they were going to be starting a quarterback that
wasn't even on the roster at that time, that was

(02:13):
retired from the NFL, that would have been the biggest
jolt and shock to your system ever. But then you
get to the point where once you get over the
shock of they got a forty four year old guy
with a noodle arm that was actually coaching high school
football a week ago that grabbed a pair of cleats
on his way out from the little glass Casey trophy

(02:41):
case inside of his house that he has on display
for his multiple children to look at to know that
at one time he played football before he became an
old man. If you knew, if I told you, like
in October, that guy was going to start for the Colts,
he'd be like, that's there's no way, there's no way,
Grab ten snuggies and set the bonfire because I got

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to sit around and listen to this tale. And now
here we are a week before Christmas with the Colts
getting ready to play a Monday night game, and it's like,
by the way, Philip Rivers is still your guy?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Okay? Cool? He he threw.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
A pretty nice pass to Michael Pittman Junior for a
touchdown in their last game in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Seriously, Yeah, but of course it had to have been
fifty six to seven. No, you're not going to believe this.
Their kicker hit a sixty yarder. A sixty yarder, the
kid out of Notre Dame. Well, yeah, he started the
year with us. I knew, no, no, no, not that
one different kicker. Oh, so they had to go out
and then like Michael Badgley, that's right, I forgot he'd

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been with him before. Now he's a nice player. No, no, no,
not him either, because he can't hit an extra point.
They brought in a guy off the street that's like
five eight, and he came in and he kicked it.
Notre Dame five years ago at the same time when
Philip Rivers was playing for the Colts and kicked a
sixty yarder. So they lost fifty six to nine. No, no,
they had a chance to win the game. But Seattle
and Sam Darnold, the guy that's a statue.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, that guy.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Okay, he's got some mobility, I guess, but I've never
really thought of him as Patrick Mahomes. No I know,
but he went down the field because the Colts couldn't
get a defensive stop. They could not get one tackle
for loss. Well, surely a lot two did. He was
the first player selected. Now I get it. Well quit
he pay? I mean, no, I know. DeForest Buckner still

(04:28):
hurt though, right, Yes, that's true. Okay, Well, so tell
me again, Well, they would lose out of field goal.
If I would have told you all that stuff in October,
all of it would have been the biggest shock to
your system. But the way things have unfolded for the
Colts and the constant change of the forecast. You at

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this point you almost expect the unexpected, and that's where
we are. And it's not all bad. I'm not saying that.
I mean there is some reason there's intrigue, is there? Optimist,
I don't know. Is there intrigue yet? Probably they're They're
taking on San Francisco on Monday night football.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's intriguing.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
But this matchup and we'll get plenty into because I've
got a really big burning question about the quarterback position
and it has nothing to do per se with the
play of Philip Rivers, but I do have a question
that hit me at three forty eight this morning, laying
there and I'm staring at the ceiling. I got a

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ton going on, all kinds stuff going to my head,
and then it hit me and I thought, yeah, and
I thought, maybe if I try to come up with
this answer, it'll help me fall asleep. And it never did,
because it became this riddle of the pythagorream theorem that
I could not solve. And it's a question about the
Colts at quarterback that I'm going to get to here

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over the course of today. But I feel like this
game with San Francisco is kind of representative of what
we saw last night in the NBA. And allow me
to explain. Eddie Garrison is off. He is still working
with my understanding is a big Head Federation now has

(06:15):
joined up with a lighting guild and so he was
going to take go ahead and return today. I think
he's back tomorrow because the Pacers are playing, but they've
still got him working with the lighting out at the fairgrounds,
helping out with the lighting for that and he's making
good money doing it. But he wanted to break out
a day early, but they said no, you signed this
little contract and Eddie read the fine print. So he's

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doing that for one more day. And if Nathaniel don't
call me, Atticus Finch is in now. Nathaniel, I will
ask you this question. Okay, you are the pride of
Western Boone High School, correct, that's right. You also were
the pride of the University of Indianapolis, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
That's correct.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
When you were between the ages of six months old
and seven and a half months old, you lived in
Denver and as a result, you're a Broncos fan.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Correct, give or take maybe a few more.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, okay, So and the Broncos quietly like the number
one seed right now in the AFC, right out of nowhere, and.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
You feel confident that upholds.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Or is this basically the the Joe Flacco Cleveland year
or other such years like Tennessee had a flash.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
In the Pan year there late.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
I think with Tannehill where they get a high seed
and then they get in the playoffs and water finds
its level.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
I think they're here to stay. I think, you know,
they're a top three Super Bowl team. Maybe not, but
they're here to stay.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
So here's my question for you. Do you recall two
years ago and I believe it was two years ago.
As a matter of fact, I know it was two years
ago when the Pacers got to the finals of the
first NBA in season tournament. The Pacers beat I believe
Boston in the semi finals at Gambridge field House or

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at least late one of those games in the tournament
at Gambridge Fields. It was super exciting, the different looking court.
Everybody knew then that they were going to go when
I say the semi finals before or going to Vegas,
because then they had to go to Las Vegas and
play two games, and they make it to the finals
and they take on the Lakers in the end season
tournament and it was a Saturday matinee game. Correct, Yeah,

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I remember that and literally and it was the first
year for it. And so we as Pacer fans, we
as natives of central Indiana, you as the pride of
Boone County, Okay, You're watching this and you're like, this
is awesome because the whole country is watching it. And
it was very surreal as a Pacer fan, because, yes,

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the Pacers have been a relevant franchise and a competitive
franchise for the better part of the last thirty years,
with obviously some slide and exception in the brawl and
other such things, but being at the epicenter, being in
an area where they are getting to conference finals or
they've been to an NBA finals before, that is not

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totally off radar. But it was very exciting, I'll use
the word surreal and encouraging to see this in season
tournament championship game on ABC ESPN on a Saturday in
December and you're turning it on and it's like, holy cow,

(09:18):
They've got all of the analysts up there and they're
talking about Tyrese Haliburton, and they're talking about the pace
of the Pacers, and they're talking about aaron Ne Smith
and this you know, Obi Tappen and all these guys
that we're just getting to know here in Indiana. And
the feeling is when you're watching it in Zionsville, when

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you're watching it in Whiteland, when you're watching it in Greenfield,
when you're watching it in Greensburg, you're watching it and
you're saying to yourself, everyone in the country is watching
the Indiana Pacers, and this is the epicenter stage and
to a great extent, for many years, that's how it

(10:00):
felt with Monday Night Football. Obviously, Monday Night Football holds
a different cachet today than it did back when it
was just ABC. Frank Gifford, you know Howard Cosel, I
mean the way back days.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
It's a little different now with MONEYNT football because there
are so many you know, every game essentially is on
national availability. But when the schedule came out at the
beginning of the year, when it was impossible to think
of fifteen degree weather, when at the beginning of the year,
the thought of a forty degree day was Breakout, the

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Snuggies and the bonfire. When that schedule came out, you
looked at it and you're like, Monday night football, San Francisco,
forty nine ers, prime time.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
The whole world is watching. That's what's fun about it.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
They got a primetime game, they got a big time
matchup San Francisco, Christian McCaffrey, this is big time, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
And then last night.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
I'm kind of flipping through the channels, going through the motions,
and I look and I see New York and San Antonio.
And if I'm not mistaken, and correct me if I'm
wrong here, Nathaniel, don't call me Atticus, but if I'm
not mistaken, last night the final game, championship game, end
season tournament.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
And yet here we are only three years into it,
and you realize, gosh, I barely paid attention. That was
like passer by noise, whom I mean I'm is a
great player. Jalen Brunson is a great player. The Knicks.
I know the history of the Knicks, I mean all
of it, right, but at the same time, and part
of it is because it's not the first year of it,

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but part of It also offers a perspective of Gosh,
when my team's not involved, I realize what the relevance
of this is outside of the market. So then I
begin asking myself, is that how it was realistically when
the Pacers in Lake were playing in that end season
tournament inaugural championship game, when it felt like the whole

(12:05):
country was watching, but in fact were the Jake and
Nathaniels of San Antonio or New York.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Just like I forgot about that.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
I don't think so because it was the first year
and it was on a Saturday night, right, But my
point being, it feels to me like this Colt's San
Francisco game on a Monday night is falling into the
category of the San Antonio New York in season tournament
for the rest of the country because people are looking
at it and the one thing of intrigue, perhaps the

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only thing of intrigue. I don't think realistically, and I'm
not trying to be pessimistic, Pete, but I'm being realistic Ricky, Right,
I don't think realistically the rest of the country looks
at the Indianapolis Colts and is thinking them of them
as a late season viable playoff push team. I think
most people probably look at the Indianapolis Colts nationwide and

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assume or think that they're already mathematically eliminated, because if
they're paying attention, they look at Jacksonville at ten and four,
which no one's talking about Jacksonville, They're probably paying attention
to the fact that Houston's defense is playing very well
and CJ. Stroud is back, and they had the benefit
of a backup quarterback that played well for them. Donut

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tire right good for three to four exits. Can't take
it for the entire driver, or else you're gonna find out
why it's a donut tire. And Houston did exactly that.
They were able to pull off. They were able to
go into big o'tireroot, get the new one on, and
they're back on the road and everything feels pretty smooth.
But I think the rest of the country looks at
the Indianapolis coltson says, Okay, that's a team that I

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heard at the beginning of the year. How Sam Donald
or excuse me, how you Sam Darnald was in this
competition in Minnesota and he had underneath him, obviously.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
You know, Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
And then both of them left Minnesota because JJ McCarthy's
there and Donald's playing well and Daniel Jones has done okay.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
But as the.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Year's gone on, he started to show who he was
in New York and then I think he got hurt
and so they're done. And then literally they're like nationwide.
The narrative had to be wait seriously, seriously, and here
comes Philip Rivers. Now it leads to the big Colts question,

(14:30):
which we'll get to and examine over the course of
the day. And I know that Shane Steiken answered this question.
If we have it as a matter of fact, Nathaniel,
we can let people hear it. Shane Steiken was asked
the question, and I know that Kevin Bowen had posted

(14:50):
this out on the ex Post Twitter, and it was
Joel A. Erickson that asked the question. It's a fair one.
If Anthony Richardson, who has multiple starts for the Colts,
If Anthony Richardson, who at the time that he was
coming out of college you trusted to make a selection

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as the fourth overall pick in the draft and you
handed him the keys right away, if you believed in
Anthony Richardson's physical traits, if you believed in Anthony Richardson's potential,
if you believed in Anthony Richardson's pluses outweighing the minuses,

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if you believed in all of those things from the beginning,
and you handed him the keys, and what you saw
was enough that you went out and signed Daniel Jones.
And then Daniel Jones gets hurt and Anthony Richardson has
a freak injury and takes him out of the mix.

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And I do one hundred percent understand and respect that
Anthony Richardson's injury and the coming back from it, just
because he's medically cleared to practice doesn't mean that his
body perhaps is ready for the physical contact of the
National Football League. But that argument seemingly of we've got

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to get Anthony Richardson ready or up to speed from
a physical standpoint, that narrative, while it is very plausible,
you also cannot rule out asking yourself the question of
why is there a different set of criteria as to

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the amount of time to be available to go on
the field for a thoroughbred top four physically elite, a
player whose physical characteristics are the re and you fell
in love with them, Those now are seemingly inferior or
are requiring of more time than a forty four year

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old guy that literally was on the phone with Joe
Nama about health insurance when you called him to see
if he could actually come play your quarterback position.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
I got a gully in the other.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Line about some white walls and philip rivers this year. Now,
I get it because of the severity of the injury.
I do understand that. But that question was asked to
Shane Steichen and here's what he said.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
Yeah, he's cleared from the eye standpoint, but we're just
starting to working back in the physical activity of everything.
So you know, the determination for him to return will
be working through that in.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
A practice windows stuff like that. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:45):
Yeah, he just got back into physical activity.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
So we'll see how.

Speaker 6 (17:49):
That cat into it getting out on you know, if
we put him on the put him out back to
practice and working out in the weight room and running
and doing all those things and throwing as you know
what he started to do. Now, Okay for Monday, those
conversations will be had. But like I said, he just
got back into the physical activity of things, you know,
running around and doing those things.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Color me completely confused. My name is Jake Query.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
It's eighteen minutes after twelve on this the what sixteenth
day of December, seventeenth day of December, eighteenth day of December.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
What is today's date?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Seventeenth seventeenth, so twelve eighteen on twelve seventeen. I'm here
to tell you that made no sense to me. It
made no sense to me, and I'll tell you why.
All you needed to do is say, look, he had
a severe eye injury, and yes he is cleared to
come back and throw the football around and cleared to
begin practicing. But the eye itself, we still want to

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make absolutely sure that just because his vision is now unimpeded,
that the bone itself is healthy enough to the point
we don't we want to make sure we're not putting
him in complete harm's way. If you'd have said that,
everyone would have said, cool, I'm good with it. When
you say we've got to ramp up for him physical activity,
physical activity, the guy whose physical activity is the entire

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reason you drafted him. You drafted Anthony Richardson because of
his physical activity, and somehow being away from the game
for a couple of months completely eradicated his physical activity.
But you trust the physical activity of a forty four
year old guy who the last thing that he passed
for the last three years was Totino's and not passed

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on it. So the physical activity of Anthony Richardson, you feel.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
That you need to give that more time. You know what?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
That actually sounds to me like we should run this
through the Elixir.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Did we bring the elix over elixer over with the move?
Do you know, Nathaniel, we should run this through the
Later in the show, we'll see if we can find
We got boxes stacked up here. We're gonna run this
through the el later in the program. And when we
run it through the Elixir, we're going to find out.
Because I think what that truly means is this, What
that really means is, look, this guy is physically gifted.

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And when I took over as the head coach of
this franchise, I took over under the precipice that, in fact,
the physical gifts of this guy were very intriguing. But
I am a quarterback whisperer, I'm a quarterback coach, and
the one thing that I can figure out, the one
thing that I can determine, is this guy for me,
the helmet tap, the showing up late, the not being

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where he needs to be in meetings or focusing all
the time. I'm totally out on him. I'm totally out
on him because the one thing that I should not
be able to critique or point out about him is
lack of physical activity. Just come out and say it.

(20:54):
Just come out and say because it screams of this.
It screams of it if Anthony Richardson was available to play.
That sounds to me like a coach that is saying, look,
I've got my out. You remember when George Costanza was
trying to get out of his engagement. He was trying everything.

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He's smoking cigarettes, he's coming up with pre nups, He's
doing everything he can to try to get out of it.
That sounds to me like a coach. And I'm not
saying Anthony richards is a bad guy. I have no
reason to believe he's a bad guy. But for whatever reason,
it seems as though Shane Steichen has always had symbiotic

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relationship and trust issues with non trust with one quarterback
and complete trust in another. And right there, that sounds
to me like a guy that is basically saying and
I know that next year you got a whole year,
and probably and by all account, on this the seventeenth

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day of December of twenty twenty five. You can mark
it down right now and record my words and come
back and throw it at me. In September, when we're
sitting around and if it drops to forty, then suddenly
we got to run to the bonfire because everything's copaesthetic.
In September, the weather's beautiful and it feels great outside
in September. It's entirely possible that Anthony Richardson is your
starting quarterback for the Colts and is playing at a

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high level. That is possible, but I don't think it's probable.
That sounds to me like a coach that is totally out,
That is totally out. And if Anthony Richardson was ever
again going to take snaps as an Indianapolis Colt, you
would think they would be doing everything they can to
get that as possibility right now, for two reasons, one

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being theoretically he would give you a better chance to
win than a forty four year old guy or a
young guy that hasn't had much experience, or number two,
because you want to see what you have in him
not only for next year, but so that other teams
can also that. Those are the two reasons that they

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need that they should be doing everything they can to
get him out there instead of still having him walk
around kind of in bubble wrap. And I may be
totally wrong. I might be completely off on this, but
I don't think I am.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
You know what it feels like.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
How many weeks in a row did Stiken get up
there and say, yeah, you know, we're working through things
with Ady Mitchell. He's looking good. We're working through things.
Ady Mitchell's looking good, Adie Mitchell.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
And then he's in New York.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
He looks good for the Jets. Right, Yes, that's exactly right.
That's exactly right. And the other thing is this instead
of just coming out and saying they should have just
come out to say the eye we need to be
cautious with because what Shane Stikeen who I like? I

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like Shane Steikeen. I like him as a dude. I
like him as a coach. I thought he coached a
pretty good game in Seattle. At times, I think the
arrows move a little fast for him. At times I
think he airrs in getting too conservative or clock management,
things like that. But for the most part I like him.
But if he comes out and says directly what it

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is you know he wants to say, then you got
a real problem on your hands. You got a real
problem on your hands. And I'll tell you what it
is that is the problem, and why we might be
close to seeing it, and why they may know that
they are actually sitting there walking a tightrope making sure

(24:38):
they don't fall off of that into that area of
this huge dilemma. I will tell you exactly that the
big question and what the answers are starting to point towards.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I'll tell you exactly what that is. On the other side.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Stephanie White gonna join us coming up one o'clock today,
catch up on some things that she said about Asia
Wilson that were of interest. Obviously, Caitlin Clark is practicing
with Team USA for the FOBA Basketball Championships. We're going
to catch up with Stephanie just kind of get an
overview on where all of that is. Ralph Frief going
to join us one thirty. We'll get up to speed
on a couple of these injuries for the Colts, notably

(25:13):
Bernard Ryman, find out the timeline for at Patrick Mahomes.
There's a lot of discussion about that Joel Erickson two
o'clock today. But the big question that the colts need
to now walk very very closely.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I'll let you know next query in company on ninety
three five and one oh seven five the fan.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Okay, so now, Nathaniel, again, I've mentioned that we've moved
from one building to the next.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
I think most people know that by now.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
So we have some things in the boxes, and we
each had to put our possessions in a box, and
then they got a moving company that moved this stuff over,
which was tremendously helpful and we appreciate that. And the
engineers have been doing an unbelievable job of It's not
an easy situation. I mean to move several radio stations
from one location to the next.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
That did a great job with it.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
But one of the things that we weren't sure whether
or not we brought over was the elixir. And you
said that you found it right, you heard it beeping
over there to it looks like Simon their lights going
off and all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Right, Oh, yeah, we found it.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Okay, So here's how the elixir works.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Okay, we play a sound clip from a coach or
an athlete, we run it through the Elixir. Now, I
bought the There are several packages that you can buy
with this, but I bought kind of the inexpensive one,
and I had initially I had the ninety day free trial,
and then that all of a sudden, I got a
statement that said, you know, you've been charged nine ninety
nine per month, and I thought, what in the world
is that for. I know, I've got all the apps

(26:34):
and I can watch all the different shows and whatever else.
I'm actually right currently, I'm engrossed in a soap opera
from Bangladesh, which I didn't think I would like, but
I've it's on one of the apps, and I think
I paid for it, so I'm watching it. So the Elixir.
I went ahead and paid for the year for the Elixir.
And what we do is we run a sound clip
from a coach or an athlete through the Elixir. It

(26:56):
then translates it and spits out what the app athleet
really wants to say, which is a fascinating thing. Now,
when it comes to Anthony Richardson, I know that he
was coming off of and I'm not making light of it.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
I mean, it's a terrible freak accident that happened to
Anthony Richardson, Anthony Richardson Senior as he's known now, and
the device where he was using a rubber band to
stretch his legs snapped, he got hit and the orbital bone,
that is basically the bone around your eye socket or
your eye socket bone, fractured it. And my understanding is,

(27:34):
I mean, that is a horrific thing. That is terrible,
and I am grateful, as I think anybody is, as
a person beyond just the athlete, that he is healthy
from that and has healed. But once he was cleared
to return to practice, and I know that he was
on IR, he missed four games or five games or

(27:55):
whatever it was, and he's now been cleared to return
to practice, and it's not like he's returning and Daniel
Jones is still at the Helm and the Colts are
ten and three. He's returning where you are teetering on
the year getting away from you, and Daniel Jones is

(28:16):
not there. And so they signed Philip Rivers, who comes
in And the question then became if Philip Rivers is
able to come up off of a high school football
coaching tenureship at the age of forty four and physically
is able to play. Then what is it that is
holding back Anthony Richardson from getting the reps for you,

(28:39):
especially when theoretically and seemingly he is your second best
quarterback or should be your second best quarterback. Now, here's
how we do this, Nathaniel. We're going to play the
clip from Shane Stike and answering that exact question, and
then once we play it, you will run it through
the elixir and will get the reality of what he

(28:59):
is really saying.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Okay, here we go. This is the clip from Shane Steichen.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
Yeah, he's cleared from the eye standpoint, but we're just
starting to work him back in the physical activity of everything.
So you know, the determination for him to return will
be working through that.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Okay, and then what.

Speaker 7 (29:25):
Am I supposed to say? I'm pretty sure he can see.
I've seen what I need to see. I don't think
I need to see anymore. He can't play. I'll take
the senior citizen over senior.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Oh wow, the elis are getting a little salty, right,
little salty. Here's the question that comes into play with
all of it. And I may well be wrong. Anthony
Richardson might be the quarterback of the future of the
Indianapolis Colts, But does anybody really truly, deep down believe that,
Does anybody really truly deep down believe that Anthony rich

(30:00):
is the guy that they're gonna go back? And he
may be, And I hope, you know what, I hope
it's the case.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
I do.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
I think it'd be an unbelievably great story. And we
love great stories. We love comeback stories, we love redemption stories.
We love getting up off the mat and coming back
and shocking the world.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
That's what sports is all about. And I hope it happens.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
I do, and it may, but it doesn't sound like
it because if this guy, you've got to wait for
him to get back, for his physical to ramp up
physical activity, just tell me that you don't want him playing.
The problem is, Shane steik In can't come out and

(30:43):
say that he doesn't want Anthony Richardson on the field,
And Shane Steikeen can't come out and say that he
doesn't trust Anthony Richardson on the field, because that is
an indictment on the exact thing that this franchise sold
everyone on when he was drafted. When he was drafted,
it was the Colts, not me, not JMV. Not Kevin Bowen,

(31:07):
not James Boyd, not Jeff Rickard, not Mike Chapel, not
Joel Erickson, not Eddie Garrison. It was the Colts that said,
if we had the number one pick, it is still
the guy we would have selected. The Colts said that,
And when he was throwing a sixty five yard dime

(31:31):
to Alec Pierce, you saw, why, holy cow, look at
this guy.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Unbelievable. That's that right there.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
And I sat up there in Lucas Oil Stadium when
he completed that pass, and I said, well, that's why
they got him right there. Unbelievable, amazing talent and his
ability to scramble and everything else. But what was the
narrative about him at Florida? Couldn't stay healthy, couldn't stay healthy.
And so the Colts told us at the time that

(32:03):
the fact that he couldn't stay healthy was overshadowed by
his athleticism and his unique traits as a quarterback, and
just wait until you see it. And now what are
we finding out? We can't get to see all of
those things on display because of the fact that physically speaking,
he is not at the point where the activity is

(32:23):
his body is ready for it, the physical activity, his
body's not ready.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's unfortunate. I hope I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
I may well be wrong, but it absolutely feels like
this is the Colts telling us that we're not going
to see Anthony Richardson take another snap with the horseshoe.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
I may well be wrong.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Maybe he plays in the second half against San Francisco,
maybe he plays against Jacksonville or Hugheston. Then if Philip
Rivers pulls a Hammy and Riley Leonard they decide that
they don't want to go with that.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
You know, that's possible. It's possible. I mean, Kevin Garnett
said it. Anything's possible, and in sports, anything is. But
it certainly feels like the table is being set. Not
by me, not by Eddie, not by Nathaniel, not by
James Jeff John, but the Colts are setting the table
to let us all know that in fact, if he

(33:28):
ain't gonna play this year, then when are you gonna
do it? Because I think that the thought is now,
Daniel Jones, you try to get him back.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
You try to get him healthy. And even if.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
If Daniel Jones is healthy next year but not able
to go full throttle, if he can't go into wait
for it, physical activity until November of next year, then
you run the risk you can't run out Anthony Richardson
at that point for two or three games and then
yank him back out because what if A he's playing
really well and now you've developed yourself a quarterback controversy,

(34:00):
or B he plays well to the point where then
you start to discuss and have the mention of what
do you do in terms of signing him beyond that
when you already now have invested into Daniel Jones, and
Jones I think will come at lesser a cost than
with Richardson because of the fact he's coming up the injury.
Although Richard I'm saying if Richardson had time to show

(34:23):
and started to show some glimpse of what he could do,
butther was in action last night against Yukon Brayla Mullins
really good, really good, and I think he's probably if
he wants to be. It looks like the reigning Indiana
Mister Basketball could be a one and done in stores Connecticut,

(34:43):
because he's really good. He's not a guy that jumps
out and you know, you look at the box score
and you go, well, he didn't have twenty five. He did,
but he is so offensively fluid and efficient, and he
can do so many other things on the floor that
it feels like he is playing his way into NBA
lottery conversation. But Butler got out to a good start
last night. Then Connecticut, you know, on the road, does

(35:05):
I mean, look, it's a top five team, right, I
will readily admit that I don't know still this Butler
roster and team probably like I should, but certainly as
well as Indiana and Purdue. But last night that taking
place in Connecticut. Stephanie White gonna join us coming up
at the top of the hour. And Stephanie told me

(35:28):
yesterday when I talked to her, she said, well, I'm
going to be on a flight, but I will be
off the plane and then I'll be available about one.
And I said, well, can I guess where you're flying from?

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I do know this.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
She was in Raleigh Durham, North Carolina as part of
the team USA Women's basketball. She's doing work with them,
and that is for the Feeble Women's Basketball Championships of
twenty twenty six. So then the easy guess would be
that she's going from Raleigh home. But they were done
like over the weekend. Would you like to guess where

(36:01):
she's flying from, Nathaniel, is she going? Do you think
it's a basketball trip or do you think it's a
vacation like a she went on vacation.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Well, she does a lot of work in the NBA,
so I would guess a basketball.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Okay, that's also yes, but again NBA though right now
on this odd lull, right, it's it's it's almost like
the All Star break. She's going to join us at
one o'clock and we will get into that, and I
want to tip the cap to a couple of things
before that, and I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Next Query and Company on ninety three five and one
oh seven five the.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Fan, Nathaniel, don't call me Atticus Finch. You realize, by
the way, Nathaniel, And I'm very proud of this, very
proud of this. That Eddie Garrison, when referencing you to me,
calls you now strictly Atticus.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Now that bothers you, does I've ever heard that from.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
I mean, ready, well, hold on, but you got to
be you're being sarcastic there, right, No, No.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
I've never no one's called me Atticus. When you said it,
I'm like, holy count, how is that the first? I mean,
how I lived at that point, you know, twenty something years,
had never heard of it.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Well, were you familiar with To Kill a Mockingbird? Oh?

Speaker 5 (37:05):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I loved it because you know,
everyone's name is Finch, but no one ever called me Atticus.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
I could have called you scout right.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
I'm happy you didn't, right, I.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Mean, bou Radley's not a Finch, right, He's just like
a friend, So you know. Nonetheless, Nathaniel, don't call me Atticus.
Finch is filling in today for Eddie. And now the
schedule that you're here for the rest of the year,
right is that right? And then most of twenty six
apparently they haven't told you this yet. I'm being sycased. Okay,
all right, A couple of things I wanted to point

(37:38):
out Stepanie, why coming up in just a couple of minutes.
First off, to the text line, you can always text
the show at three one seven seventy. Also to my
I hope that the station doesn't mind because they have
that software that came with the the Elixir for the
station text line. But then also people text me directly

(38:01):
ninety two eighty eight is my cell phone number five
three nine two eight eight. This from Joe Jake. I
think you're right, Shane is done with Anthony. This from
John It's almost like he'd rather be on IR so
he just wouldn't have to deal with it anymore. He
sounds like he's just annoyed by the availability of Richardson,

(38:21):
like a gnat and a barbecue, just bugging him. Again,
none of this is a knock or critique on Anthony
Richardson as a person, but as a player, it absolutely
feels like that is the case.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Like they just it feels like he's done with them.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Uh, do you happen to have the breaking news sounder?
This just in It's a story that we have had
our ears and eyes on from the very beginning, and
it is not one that is fun to report because
I have appreciation respect for all parties involved. Really, but

(39:09):
there is now a lawsuit that has been play placed
and filed for players of IU Indy against their former
basketball coach, Paul Cassaro. Sixth former I'm reading this from
the Indianapolis Star. This just coming out. Sixth former Indiana
University indianapolismen's basketball players are suing the university and its trustees,

(39:30):
so not against Cassarro himself, regarding the alleged abuse they
suffered under the watch of the team's former coach, Paul Cassarro.
As soon as the players arrived on campus, Casaro subjected
them to relentless psychological and physical abuse or harassment. According
to court documents. He was relieved of his duties after

(39:51):
one year. So my apologies for the wording that I
initially said that the lawsuit is not against directly Paul Carsoro,
but rather against the universe for the.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Fact that Paul Caersorrow was their coach.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Now on the other side of it, before we got
to that breaking news, I did want to point out
just a couple of shoutouts, if you will. I think
it's a new thing I'm gonna do. I'm going to
do a new thing on the show, just occasionally, because
you can't do it all the time. When you do
it all the time, then you know, after a while,

(40:25):
it dilutes itself down a little bitter. It seems forced,
if you will. But the other night, for example, I
was driving home and I walked into the village pantry
on Broaderpeol Avenue.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
It was about nine o'clock or so, and I was
looking for Actually.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
It was when the two and I have no idea,
this might be a myth as to whether or not
this stuff's even needed. But when the temperature gets like
super cold, and I knew that we were getting ready
to go to Milwaukee and my car was going to
be sitting outside for a couple of days, so I went.
I wanted to find heat. Now, Nathaniel, have you ever
put heat in your car? It's the gas line and
a freeze that prohibit your gas from freezing, which is

(41:07):
probably some sort of hoth. I've probably a marketing scam
because I'm guessing that gas doesn't freeze anyway. But there's
like this peace of mind, right. So I went to
a couple of gas stations. They didn't have them. I
was on my way home and I'm like, you know
what VP might have it, village pantry. So I stopped
at the village pantry on Broaderpool Avenue and I walk
in looking for a bodily heat and when I walked in,

(41:29):
and I've gone to that village pantry off and on
for over the years, for thirty years, probably.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
I worked in brought able for years.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
And I walked in and I stopped, and I looked around,
and I'm like, and I literally say, I saw one
thing in the store too, actually two things I saw.
One was a woman I'm gonna guess she was ten
to fifteen years older than I, and the other was
a mop bucket that clearly she had vacated the mop
bucket to beat to go behind the counter to assist

(41:57):
me with whatever I needed. And I to her, you
know what, I've been in this village pantry for years,
and I've never seen it more spotlessly clean ever, And
she like gave me this huge grin and said, well thanks.
I just think that my job when I'm in here
is to make sure that everything looks good, and I
might as well keep myself busy. And she goes, as

(42:19):
a matter of fact, I just cleaned the freezer, because
why not. And I looked around and I said, every
single inch of this place is perfectly symmetrically where it
needs to be, and there's not a and it's not
easy this time yere because everybody's tracing in like salt
and everything else. And I said to her, you know, honestly, like,
how long have you worked here? Well, I've worked here
about a year. I worked the overnight shift. But I

(42:40):
just it's I consider it kind of like my baby,
and so I need to keep it clean. And I said,
what's your name? Bambi is her name? Bamby grew up
on the east side of Indianapolis. She told me that
she went to school fifty four even though she lived
right across the street from a different school, but got
busted over to fifty four. And she said she loved

(43:00):
it because she loved the kids in the education. But
then her bussing got rerouted and redistricted. She ended up
going to a different school, went to Howe High School,
and now works at the VP. And I love anybody
that takes a pride in their work and make sure
that they're doing their work to the best of their ability.
And I have no idea who owns village pantry these days,

(43:22):
it used to be marsh I have no idea, but
whoever it is, it is my hope. If you know
anybody that has any connection to the VP in broad
A Bowl. You tell them that Bamby's got that place
absolutely shining, and there's a pride in that, and I can.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Appreciate it and I respect it.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Additionally, Hey, Jake, wanted to tell you about a young
lady named Emily who works at the Kroger at seventy
ninth in Fall Creek. She's there every morning, super sweet,
works super hard, always says hello and goodbye and have
a nice day when you walk out. She is one
of those people that in the morning time. It just
makes it better every time that I go and see her,

(43:58):
and it makes it worth going to Kroger. So Emily
at the seventy ninth in fall Creek, and I actually
am in that area a fairly decent amount now, so
I will absolutely stop in and say hi to Emily.
But it's those things I'm telling you, I think that
we get so caught up in and we make such
a thing about and on this program we talk about

(44:20):
NFL quarterbacks and NBA point guards and coaches that are
like Kurt Signetti and congratulations to him a two time
Coach of the Year now two time AP Coach of
the Year in college football. For Kurt Signetti, no surprise whatsoever.
We talk about people and another great story for that matter,
like at Indiana State. Okay, at Indiana State, you have

(44:45):
this situation where Coach Graves goes in and feels under
the weather and the next thing you know, he's having
to get what double bypass or quadruple bypass, triple I
care And I'm not making light of it, a massive
heart surgery. Okay, but Matthew Graves. This from Indiana State.

(45:08):
Indiana State Athletics is thrilled to welcome back Matthew Graves
to the sideline. Tomorrow night is the Sycamores host Bradley
inside the Home and Center. Coach Graves will be serving
in a limited role until fully cleared. He is deeply
grateful to the doctors and nurses at Union Health for
their exceptional care and support throughout his recovery. Let's make
sure to give Coach Matthew Graves a big, warm welcome
back on Thursday night. Congratulations and awesome there to hear

(45:32):
about Matthew Graves. Triple bypass, triple bypass. That is absolutely
no joke at all. But you know, we talk so
much about people that are at the top of their profession,
and we talk so much about victories and team wins
and celebrating them and Super Bowls and who's going to

(45:53):
be the best, et cetera. The reality is that there
are people going out every single day, and one person's
Super Bowl is another person's wild Card, and one person's
World Series is another person's making the little league roster.
It's all relative, and so to me, you have to applaud,

(46:14):
command and recognize the success of somebody going in and
simply saying I am letting my work be fueled by
my pride in doing the right thing and going about
it the right way, which is why if you see Bamby,
stop in and say hi. See Emily, stop in and
say hi. You see my man Alex at Market City
Pop or Market Score Popcorn in Castleton, stop in and

(46:34):
say hi. Stephanie White is one of those that has
always had kind of that I guess approach to things.
It goes without saying. You do not become a miss basketball.
You do not become a scoring leader. You do not
become an NCAA champion. You do not become a WNBA player,
a WNBA coach and international coach, a television broadcast and
radio broadcast analyst of games without having an every day

(46:59):
a pro coach to going about things and making sure
that you're doing it to the best of your ability.
And she's had a busy off season. Weird to say
off season when we are in the thick of it
for so many sports right now, including for the Pacers,
but fever off season that means international season, and Stephanie
White's been busy with that.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
We'll catch up with her.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
We'll catch up on what she said about Asia Wilson,
the latest with where Caitlin Clark is, and also the
international basketball and let's face it, w NBA and their
collective bargaining agreement. Lot to catch up on, and we'll
do it next.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Query and Company on ninety three five and one oh
seven five the Fan.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
When Stephanie White was kind enough to join us over
the course of the WNBA season, we would take her
musical requests each and every week, and.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
It was Kenny.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Chesney At one point, I think we went Hooty and
the Blowfish at one point I don't think we ever
did two live crew. But then I asked her what
she wanted for this and that, So she picks the
song that instantly makes you feel like you're walking through
any all in nineteen ninety five, right, and most people
say that's the most annoying Christmas song of all time.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
I gotta admit catchy. Don't you think it's catchy?

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Nathaniel, it's catchy. You know she's our only guest that
gets to pick their re entry.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
I know that's that's what she's earned that right. She
joins us now in the Java House Peel and poor
guest line. She is the head coach of the Indiana Fever.
Amongst her broadcast duties with basketball as well, a Stephanie
White joining us.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Merry Christmas, Stephanie, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
So you like the song or you just it's become
so ubiquitous in the American culture you decided to go
with it because we're a week away.

Speaker 8 (48:33):
I love this song. I love this song.

Speaker 9 (48:36):
In fact, when we're the first song that's played when
we're decorating the Christmas tree the day after the Thanksgiving
is that song.

Speaker 8 (48:42):
It's iconic?

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Okay, and that's fair. Now, what's the second one? What's okay?
Let me ask us, what's give me? The Christmas Carol?
Of the Christmas Carol's the wrong word. But the recorded
Christmas song that other people like that you're like, yeah, okay.

Speaker 8 (48:55):
No, you know what.

Speaker 9 (48:57):
I love Christmas music, so there's probably not one that
I would say no, I don't like so big. I'm
a big Christmas music fan. If I could start Christmas
music after Halloween, I would.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Okay, I'm cool with that. You know the one that
I like?

Speaker 3 (49:11):
And you tell me if you consider this a Christmas song,
I mean it kind of is, but it's more Christmas was,
and that is Do they know it's Christmas by band Aid,
which obviously was a fundraiser in nineteen eighty five trying
to raise.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Money for you know, feed the World. You know the song, right?

Speaker 8 (49:28):
I don't know the song? Yeah. I like to find
that song and play it at some point.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Okay, Nathaniel find Do they know it's Christmas by band Aid?
You'll know when you hear it. I'm just a terrible
I'm introducing it in a terrible way. All right, Let's
begin with this. When I asked if you could come
on because we have a number of things I want
to get to, you mentioned that you had a flight
today and I was going to guess your flight, and
then I looked, and I cheated a little bit because
I know you were just in Raleigh, North Carolina. Correct,

(49:53):
I was and is, So I'm going to guess that
you were flying. But then again, so I think most
people know this that you don't you spend your off
season outside of Indiana, right, But that would have only
been like an hour flight, So I'm going to guess
that you were not flying from Raleigh. I'm going to
say that you are taking advantage of a little bit

(50:16):
of downtime in basketball, and you are enjoying the warm
weather for a few days, and you're in Florida.

Speaker 8 (50:21):
No, that's not right.

Speaker 9 (50:22):
I was actually flying home to Nashville from New York
from an event last night. So yeah, I'm popping around
right now.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
All right, let's begin with this. The involvement and the
reason that you were in Raleigh. Okay, the US women's team,
if I'm not mistaken, and totally feel free to correct
me if I'm wrong, is getting ready for the FEBA
Women's Basketball Championships of twenty six.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
That includes Caitlyn.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Clark, and you are part of that group that is
coaching and overseeing it. Now fill in the blanks where
I'm wrong.

Speaker 8 (50:54):
Yeah, I know you're right.

Speaker 9 (50:54):
I mean it's a group that's that had our first
mini camp of the cycle. We'll have another one in
the spring, most likely at the Final four.

Speaker 8 (51:04):
A lot of new young players.

Speaker 10 (51:06):
Of course.

Speaker 9 (51:06):
Caitlin Clark was one of those. E Leah Boston was
there as well. Kelsey Mitchell was an invite but didn't
get to go because of a family obligation. But she'll
certainly be in the pool as well. So are in
Indiana Fever represented. And these are women who are who
are vying for a spot on the senior national team
for the Feeble World Cup and for the Olympics, the
twenty twenty Olympics.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Now, now step down. I'm gonna be honest with you.
And we had this happen yesterday. It happened to Scott Agnes,
so blame him and Don Fisher also, this happened to we.
Somehow our system speeds up a little bit what you're saying.
So I want people to know you're not actually on helium, right,
I mean like yours That's what it.

Speaker 9 (51:44):
Sounded like again, huh So, so you know, I'll be
honest with you.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Sound a little like Lynn Dunn if you really want
to know this es right, no idea, come on, no very.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Super energetic, right Lynn Dunn's Lynn Doune is. She's like
the Java house peeling poor coffee. Right, She's instant energy.
She's like the Wrangler energy.

Speaker 8 (52:03):
I like it, right, Yes, yes she is.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Okay, you sound a little not Southern drawlly. But do
you mind selling here if we because I do want
your perspectives? Do you mind sounding a little helium e here?
Are you willing to wade through that?

Speaker 8 (52:22):
Sure? I'm willing to do that.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Okay, thanks for you, just for.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
You, thank you, well, Merry Christmas to me, right, Okay,
So I do want to get to this because, you know,
for Kaitlin Clark for example, when you know, when when
you have a player that's coming off injury or that
was injured, and then you start to get into those
conversations in today's basketball world of you know, just to
wear and tear. But at the same time, the benefit

(52:48):
of being able to play different with different style, with
different teammates and obviously representing the United States that goes
without saying, but is there some potential I hate to
use your drawback that can come with the non stop playing.

Speaker 9 (53:06):
I mean, of course there's there's drawback that can come
with non stop playing.

Speaker 8 (53:08):
I mean, we've got women in our league who have been.

Speaker 9 (53:10):
Playing essentially twelve months of the year their entire careers,
so so there can be you know, I think for
somebody specific to Caitlin, you know, being able to play
now is it's something that she desperately wants to need.
She hasn't really played for a long time, and you know,
working her way back and preparing herself for this training camp,
she's it's been a grind and it's not easy, and

(53:33):
she's done an excellent job and I thought she was
really ready to go.

Speaker 8 (53:36):
You know, she looked good in training camp.

Speaker 9 (53:38):
But I think that the most important thing is for
her is getting reps, you know.

Speaker 8 (53:44):
And then you've got players who played twelve.

Speaker 9 (53:46):
Months out of the year in the various leagues and overseas,
and you've got players who don't. And in the off
season when you don't play, then you've got to find
a way to get games.

Speaker 8 (53:54):
And we all know like pickup games.

Speaker 9 (53:56):
Isn't it right, Like to try to find find your
rhythm and your timing and get all of that stuff back.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Do you you've had a chance now, Stephanie to really
you know, it was a it was an impressive run
that you guys had, and I know that you know,
without Caitlyn Clark, there was that question that kind of
lingered over the course of the year. There were you know,
you had made some comments about how you felt about
Caitlin Clark kind of being in the middle of you know,

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a pawn I think is the word you used of
just you know, some of the different marketing aspects and
you know, being the face of a league really and
so there was so much going on at the end
of the season for the Indiana Fever in for you
and I know you're busy with other things, but did
you really get a chance now to sit back and
kind of go over and process and absorb what it

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was that you guys accomplished.

Speaker 9 (54:48):
Yeah, I mean, I think you can get a chance
to really look back and see all of the adversity
that we went through from the beginning of the year
to the end of the year, and you know, the
special group that we had that positioned us to be
right there to go to the w NBA Finals.

Speaker 8 (55:05):
You know, I think it's it's it's.

Speaker 9 (55:10):
From an outside perspective, all the all the people that
I get to.

Speaker 8 (55:12):
Talked to talk about how how remarkable it was.

Speaker 9 (55:16):
But from being on the inside, it's just it's it's
next player up, and it's how do we position ourselves?

Speaker 8 (55:21):
How do we get creative enough to be a.

Speaker 9 (55:23):
Team that can compete and be the be the best
version of what we have? And you know, there was
never a doubt in terms of belief that we could
still get there and do it. And and there was
never a moment where anyone, you know, hesitated. It was
just what do we need to do, how do we
need to get there? And and let's put ourselves in
position to be successful and and so yes, you look

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back on and it's like, holy cow, we went through
all of that and still we're twenty seconds away from
the w NBA Finals.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
When you look, Stephanie at moving forward now and getting
the chance to watch Caitlin Clark with the different players
for a different team and the international standpoint here, will
that give you a couple of things that you can
kind of put in the arsenal as you work her
back in with the fever of maybe glimpses of stylistically

(56:14):
or schematically areas where you can take advantage of her
skill set. Are you constantly looking for new ways of
that and could this introduce that to both you and Kitlin?

Speaker 9 (56:24):
Yeah, I mean we're always constantly looking for ways to
do that, whether it's you know, through those experiences or
games that we're watching on television, there are certainly those opportunities.
I think the thing that's unique is that most people
don't quite understand about the USA Basketball experience is that,
you know, for day basketball, you're talking about having the
twelve best players you know that are going to make

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it make the best team to compete for gold medal.
And there are very few players who go through the
USA Basketball experience that are that are allowed to quote
unquote be themselves right so that they're the same version
of player that they are with their teams in the
w n B A because you're sacrificing playing with all
of these other great players and you're playing FEVA rules
which are different than w NBA rules, which are different,

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you know. So so I think that in the experience
of USA basketball, you play a different role. Every single
player plays a different role. And so to watch Caitlin
ab you know, playing a different role taking on you know,
different different ownership levels of that role. Is it's cool
because you can see, okay, all right, like, look we

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can maybe we can adjust and do this out of
this time out or or in these situations. Look, they're
always going to be who they are for our team,
but how can we add little nuances, uh to be
able to gain advantage?

Speaker 8 (57:45):
I think is important.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Do you find Stephanie Stephanie White's my guest, Java House
Peel and poor guest line. Does seeing the game through
coaching help you with broadcasting or does seeing the game
as a broadcaster more help you as a coach?

Speaker 9 (58:00):
It's both, you know, it really is. And I and
when I was at Vanderbilding College coaching, one of the
things that I missed the most was being able to
have that macro and micro view. I feel like broadcasting
and coaching it evens me out so I can I
can give the viewer a behind the scenes look at
at strategy and and and and and the micro that

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goes into to the game, and and and subtleties that
go into the game, and nuance that goes into the game.

Speaker 8 (58:28):
But when I come.

Speaker 9 (58:29):
Back to trading camp every year, I've seen the macro view.

Speaker 8 (58:32):
You know, I talk to.

Speaker 9 (58:32):
Coaches all the time and it's like, oh my gosh,
like you are doing your team is doing this, this
and this really well. Or they're doing this, this, this
and well. And it's like, yeah, but we're not doing this,
this is this and.

Speaker 8 (58:41):
This right, That's just what coaches do.

Speaker 9 (58:43):
This is our job is to to find every weakness
that we have and try to eliminate it. And so
it gives me a different perspective. So when I come in,
I have a big picture of view. I have a
view of Okay, well we might be limited here, but
what are we doing well that we can accentuate.

Speaker 8 (58:58):
And then every year I come.

Speaker 9 (58:59):
Into the all and I'm more in the in the
in the micro viewpoint, more in the tunnels aspect, more
in the details, and then the nitty gritty of the
coaching mind. So I feel like it balances out for me.
It helps me be better in both areas. And I
hope that it gives the viewer a good perspective when
I'm calling a game, and I hope that it gives
gives our players a good perspective when I come back
in the spring.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Will it be a challenge to reacclimate Caitlin Clark to
just the fever roster. I mean there was you know,
obviously you guys had so much and it was remarkable.
I mean it truly was a credit to the women
on your team. As you mentioned, you know, everyone's stepping
up and not knowing what the role was going to
be from one week to the next. Really, but will

(59:40):
it be a challenge to reacclimate both Caitlin Clark to
her teammates and her teammates to Caitlin Clark after what
was accomplished.

Speaker 9 (59:49):
I don't know if it's a challenge after what was
accomplished as opposed to just a challenge of reintegrating a
player that has so much gravity, you know, to your team.
You know, you get used to playing with a groups
that plays a certain way, and then you bring a
player who's going to have the ball in her hands
every possession down the floor and you play differently. So
I think that and we saw that at various points

(01:00:11):
throughout the season when she was in and out, So
so I don't think that's going to be the challenge.
I think the challenge for us as a whole is
going to be what does our roster makeup look like,
I mean, outside of four players, everybody's a free agent.
Ninety five or ninety six percent of the league is
a free agent this year, something crazy like that. So
what is it going to look like? What are a
roster's going to look like? How will once we get

(01:00:33):
a deal with the CBA, how will that impact who
we're able to bring in and how we want to play?

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Where do things stand right now with the Collective Bargaining Agreement?
I know that it's been the timeline of that has moved, right.

Speaker 9 (01:00:45):
Yes, yeah, the timeline of we've extended the negotiating windows and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
That in terms of and I don't know how much
you can even say about it, maybe maybe it's none whatsoever.
But you know that challenge if you will, not knowing
where things stand, how difficult is that?

Speaker 8 (01:01:05):
It's it's challenging.

Speaker 9 (01:01:06):
You know, I'm thankful I'm not Amber Cox right now
our GM and you're having to try to guess what
might happen and what might not. But it's challenging because
the unknown. It's challenging because the timeline has changed, you know.
For for for us, we typically knew when free agency
was going to open up, when the expansion Draft was
going to happen when we could sign free agents and
then you build into the draft. So the timeline has changed.

(01:01:28):
It's going to be shortened, you know, when when gets made,
and it's it's it's going to be, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:01:35):
A rat race, so to speak. It's just it's gonna
be it's.

Speaker 9 (01:01:38):
Going to be fast and furious and trying to make decisions,
trying to figure out who you can fit into whatever
the new salary cap is going to be. And and
so I I think it's it's it's challenging, but it's
also a necessary part of the business. You know, we've
seen every professional league go through this. You know, certainly
we'd love for it to be seamless, and but it's
it's not seamless, and and it's just the hand that

(01:01:58):
we're dealt and we've got to play it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
I thought I saw a headline, and you tell me
if it was clickbait, that you had recently done an
interview coming off of the experience with Team USA, and
it said like Stephanie White says, Asia Wilson is the
best player in the world, And I thought, well, she
coaches Caitlin Clark, who's pretty darn good, and I know
you have great respect for all great players. Was that
a clickbait headline or did you say it that overtly?

Speaker 8 (01:02:23):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know about that.

Speaker 9 (01:02:25):
I think that that might have been clickickbait, but but
I do think that Asia Willson is.

Speaker 8 (01:02:29):
One of the best players in the world, There's no
doubt about that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
The when you see different great players and you get
it is it refreshing, I guess too, and fun to
be able to get involved with and kind of get
a glimpse inside of the greatness of players that you
normally would not on a day to day.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Be working with.

Speaker 9 (01:02:49):
It really is, you know, to be in the gym
with with players, to see how they work, see how
they operate, to to be able to put them in
different positions.

Speaker 8 (01:02:59):
It's it's awesome. And you know, you learn too.

Speaker 9 (01:03:01):
I learn, you know, how how different players number one prepare,
you know, and it's whenever we're talking about young players,
especially young players can learn from the veterans.

Speaker 8 (01:03:12):
You know, who's the first one in the gym.

Speaker 9 (01:03:14):
What have they been doing, you know in the weight
room prior to what are they doing in the weight room?
You know, right after I'll never forget my first Team
USA experience last year.

Speaker 8 (01:03:21):
You know, Jackie Young was an example.

Speaker 9 (01:03:23):
I was in the gym earlier in the morning at
the hotel getting to work out in. She was in
there in the gym getting a workout in, and then
right after, you know, a two and a half hour practice,
she's in the weight room at the facility, you know,
doing the versa climber. I mean, it's just it's how
you work and how you prepare and you know, how
you keep your body ready. And I think for a
lot of young players learning how to be a pro,

(01:03:46):
it's challenging, right because you can't do the same level
of things that you were doing in college. It requires
a different version, It requires a different attention to detail,
it requires more. I mean, you know, the stories about
Lebron James and how early he's at the gym on
a game day, you know, are well renowned. So learning
that I think is important for me.

Speaker 8 (01:04:04):
Learning. You know, how players like to warm.

Speaker 9 (01:04:06):
Up, what are the different drills that they like to do,
being able to apply some of that, what are they
like in game? What kind of situations can we continue
to challenge and stretch our players based on what I'm
learning from these other players, and then to just marvel
in their greatness. I mean, you know, just just being
out there and watching them the best in the world,
do what they do best, and and just the joy

(01:04:27):
that that brings, you know, a basketball that like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Me, Stephanie, I want to ask you. And we have
this song by the way, I'm going to see on
the way out if you know, do they know It's
Christmas by Bandaid. But before we do that, I wanted
to give you this opportunity you mentioned, you know, just
seeing examples right when I was For example, when I
was in high school as a freshman, I'll never forget
that there were two varsity players. I was a freshman

(01:04:50):
player and kind of a fringe player, right, and there
were two guys that were on the varsity team, Todd
Geyer and Tony Barbie, Okay, and they were like kind
of star players, and they they kind of took me
under their wing of you know, hey, kid, like here's
what you do and giving me a ride home after
practice and those things. But it made me feel like,

(01:05:10):
in fact, I belonged. It made me feel like I
was part of the team. And to have the endorsement
of those guys was so big for me as a
young player. Who was the player or whether it be
a player or just an older person in the neighborhood,
whoever it might be, Who was that for you at
a young age where before you realized the greatness that
was within you, you realized that somebody else made you

(01:05:34):
feel like you belonged.

Speaker 9 (01:05:36):
Wow, I you know, I don't think as a young
person I had that. You know, there weren't There weren't
a lot of well, number one, when I was when
I was young, there weren't a lot of female basketball
role models that were visible right that I that I
that I saw home.

Speaker 8 (01:05:52):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:05:52):
I used to go play at the old West leven
And gym with what I called the old guys at
the time, which they're probably younger than I am right now,
when I was exactly yeah, and they and they taught
me how to play the game right, like throwing in
front of somebody when they're running to the rim, not
where they are or they're going to starting to anticipate,
you know, defenses, starting to anticipate actions.

Speaker 8 (01:06:14):
You know, they taught me all of that stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:06:17):
You know, I would say when I big college Stacey,
who was who was a senior on team when I
was a freshman with someone who just kind of, you know,
helped me navigate the adjustment to college life. You know,
everything from from finding the doctor's appointments that they didn't
handhold us like they do now right, you don't have
everything kind of set up for you, to navigating study

(01:06:39):
to study tables and and and all of those things,
you know. And then and then when I was a pro,
it was watching Dawn Staley as my as a rookie.

Speaker 8 (01:06:47):
I was a rookie and she was.

Speaker 9 (01:06:49):
She had been a pro for a long time. We
were on the same team in Charlotte. It was watching
her and how she works and and and you know,
Vicky Bullet calls me my first day in Charlotte, It's like, hey,
we're going to the gym.

Speaker 8 (01:06:58):
Let's go. You know, those guys, guys who had.

Speaker 9 (01:07:00):
Been around and who had been pros showing me what
it means to be to be a pro. You don't
wait till the first day of training camp. If you're
there three days Earli, you're getting in the gym and
you're getting your work in, and you know, those guys
helping me understand what it means to prepare and be
a pro.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Okay, lastly, because it dropped out for a second, give
me the name of the Purdue player again when you first.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Got to produce.

Speaker 8 (01:07:20):
Yeah, Stacey Lovely.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Stacy Lovelace. Okay, all right, here we go. Nathaniel, you
have qued up. This is from now you remember, now, Stephanie,
you do remember.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Like we are the world? Right? You remember that?

Speaker 9 (01:07:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
So Bob Geldolf, who was part of that entire kind
of initiative, also did a along with Bono and mid
Jury was the name of the writer. But they formed
a group together called band Aid, which was to raise
money for you know, famine and you know the impoverished
in mostly Africa and Ethiopia. But the name of the

(01:07:53):
song was do they know It's Christmas? From band Aid?
See if you know this one or not? Okay, does
or does not sound familiar to Stephanie White?

Speaker 8 (01:08:10):
Does not sound familiar?

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Wooh, okay, didn't make it up to seeger I guess
I guess not. You know what those old guys, those
old thirty year olds in the West living and gym
were playing the wrong tunes for you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
That's right, that's what it was well. Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
I hope every uh, I hope everything that Santa that
you've asked Santa for shows up underneath the tree, not
only for yourself, but your family and your kids as well. Stephanie,
I certainly appreciate the time and safe travels. Look forward
to talking to you again soon.

Speaker 11 (01:08:37):
All right.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
I appreciate a happy holidays.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
All right, same to you, Stephanie White, joining us on
the program on the Java House Peeling poor guest line
Jake twenty five is the code at Java House. Look
Nathaniels in their bubbetude.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
It's good, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Nathaniel never heard it before, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
You've never heard this, no.

Speaker 11 (01:08:57):
Word.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Let them know. It's Christmas time.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
See you like it, don't you. Nathaniel's in there right now.
He's got the headsets on. I mean, he looks like
Jimmy jam On Dance part of the USA in there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Well, they give us his own little booth. I gotta
take advantage.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
I can see Nathaniel.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
We're talking to each other through the head sets and
getting after it a little bit there right. I think
interesting stuff when talking about Caitlin Clark and the acclamation,
the reacclamation and I know that sounds crazy. She's clearly

(01:09:41):
you know, I mean, she's probably right now. Asia Wilson
would be right there, right, and they're a handful. It
would be unfair to say that any one player is
the greatest basketball player in the world from a female standpoint,
because there are there's an upper crust there, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
But I thought last.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Year the Fever, what they were able to do when
you looked at the attrition that they had and seemingly
just continuously putting in new player after new player, and
the way that they just meshed and blended, And that
does mean that you've got to come up with different schemes.

(01:10:20):
It does mean that you have to play to different
strengths for people. And they were able to do it,
and it was impressive. And then you get such a
massive centerpiece. You know, it's kind of like when you
make the perfect cocktail and then all of us and
it's right to the brim, and then you drop in

(01:10:41):
the perfect the perfect celandercal ice cube, and you know
some of that's going to splash over and you just
don't know how it's going to impact the balance of
the way the drink tastes. Once it all works together.
You know that it's going to be better because it's
going to be colder and whatever else, but you just
you don't know how it impacts the overall balance of

(01:11:02):
the drink, and that, to me is going to be
an interesting thing to watch and to see. I asked
yesterday Kurt this question. Nathaniel, I will ask you. We
just talked to Stephanie about doing the Christmas tree. When
you were a kid, what was the Christmas gift that
you most recall looking back on and saying, of all

(01:11:24):
the Christmases of my childhood, the gift that I most
begged Santa to bring was what.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
A Peyton Manning jersey? Broncos?

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Oh the Broncos variation.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Huh Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
I kind of looking back on him, like, man, that
was kind of a piece of crap, kid that I
was begging.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
I've never felt more old than I have realizing that
it would have been in your childhood that Peyton Manning
was with the Broncos. I've never felt more old in
my life.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
The first football game I watched was the Colt Super Bowl,
the second one, and that this first football game. Yeah,
if that makes you feel old with twenty ten.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Okay, I mean that makes sense. That makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
The first Super Bowl that I remember watching, and I
know that I watched others. The first one that I
remember watching was the Rams and Steelers in seventy nine
and Pasadena, the great Lynn Swan catch. I think I
might have seen one of the Cowboys Steelers ones, but
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Really know what was going on, so to speak.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
I definitely recall Kenny King and the Raiders running over
the Eagles in eighty and Ron Jaworska, I remember that
very vividly. The first final four? What's the first Final
four that you recall watching?

Speaker 9 (01:12:41):
See?

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
I'm not you can point to any Final four and
tell you the location.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
I don't know, well not, I mean over the in
the earth. Like, give me a year in the eighties.
This is the thing that's weird about when you get older.
Give me a year of the eighties or first half
of the nineties.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Off the top of your head, go eighty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Nineteen eighty nine final four was that the Kingdom in
Seattle that featured Seaton Hall, Illinois, Michigan and Duke and
it was won by Rameil Robinson's two free throws after
John Morton scored thirty five for Seaton Hall in the finals.
It went into overtime, and I believe Michigan won eighty
of seventy eight. I don't know if you have the
score in front of you, but it was definitely Michigan,

(01:13:18):
Seaton Hall, Illinois and Duke. However, I couldn't tell you
three years ago. That's what's weird, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
What I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
In the eighty nine season, Indiana swept Michigan. They beat
him twice. They beat him up in ann Arbor. I
believe it was seventy six to seventy five, and then
they beat him seventy one, seventy up there seventy six
seventy five in Bloomington with Jay Edwards shot and perdue.
That year, Edwards hit a shot over Tony Jones in
the bottom left corner to beat Purdue at home. And

(01:13:46):
then that Prue had a good team, I mean they were,
but that Indiana team came out of nowhere. That was
a miracle Indiana season. Did you happen to look up
the eighty nine final four?

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
I didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
What I was looking up was the first one I've seen.
I think it was twenty sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Okay, see now again and nothing for you there twenty
sixteen that would have been was Louisville in that was
not Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
No, A couple of the Blue Buds, Kansas not Kansas.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
See again, I mean, okay, this is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
The Energy Stadium in Houston.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Okay, who was oh so obviously dude or a Butler?
Right was not? Nope?

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Oh Butler went in? Was it eleven and twelve? See
that's again. Yeah, once you start covering, it all runs together.

Speaker 5 (01:14:29):
The first one I remember was between Villanova and North
Carolina and Villanova won that one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Oh that was the Chris Jenkins shot, right, that sounds right, yeah,
the last second shot. And what's funny is I was
at that Final four in twenty sixteen, and I was there, Yeah,
I mean I was at I went to from probably
I'm gonna guess here, from like eight to sixteen or seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
I was at all of them. And it just after
a while, it becomes like vaporlock. It's a weird thing.
It's very odd.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
But the first FI four that I recall watching was
seventy nine Indiana Michigansta Indiana State Michigan Steak. Because I
remember my dad saying to me like, we got to
watch this team they're from Indiana and seeing Larry Bird
with the towel over his head at the end of
the game, and I'm like, did they not win? I
was like, no, they didn't win. Ralph Freef going to
join us at other side, speaking of Butler, he was
on the call for a lot of those Butler games,

(01:15:19):
No question about that athletic trainer.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
A lot to get to, a lot of injuries to
ask about. We'll do it with Ralph Freef.

Speaker 9 (01:15:25):
Next.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
This is Querry in Company on ninety three five and
one oh seventy five the fan.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Absolutely gorgeous day outside, I'm telling you. And somebody posted
to me on social media that they heard me mention
this yesterday and it was female listener number thirty four,
I believe because it was a female that said, hey,
I heard you mentioned on the radio and I'm like, well,
we're at thirty three.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Now we're officially at thirty four thirty four female listeners
of this program. Now you double that number and you
get nearly what the four cast says it's going to be.
I mentioned that for Christmas because I mentioned yesterday. I
think it was Christmas Eve, it's supposed to be sixty
one and they've dropped that down a little bit, but
like mid fifties coming up for Christmas. But it is

(01:16:13):
a gorgeous day out today, starting to warm up just
a little bit. But there are injuries in sports to
talk about it. That means we go to the Java
House peeling poor guest line for our friend Ralph Reef
Ralph Reef dot com, r E i f F dot com.
And if you've listened to this program and you've heard Ralph,
you know there's nobody better when it comes to explaining

(01:16:33):
the training and just the overall health when it comes
to athletes. And he joins me. Now, Ralph, a couple
of them to get to. And first off, let me
begin simply by saying the happiest of holidays to you.

Speaker 10 (01:16:46):
Well, thank you very much, Jake. I appreciate that, looking
forward to it, and we're right upon it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Yes, sir, all right, let's begin with this, and we're
going to go outside of market with the injury to
Patrick Mahomes. And the reason I mentioned it because I
think you look at the Colts for next year and
you're saying, okay, I shouldn't you know the cults are
still alive for this year.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
But if you look at next year, you start thinking
about who in the AFC or contenders, and you wonder
about the availability of Patrick Mahomes. I saw this ralph
ACL injury. You know we always hear ACL. I thought
I saw an acronym with which I'm not familiar in
the knee. And you tell me if I misread it
the LCL. I don't know that I've heard of that
one before. Did I read that correctly?

Speaker 10 (01:17:32):
Jake? You read it correctly, and it's the lateral collateral ligment.
So it's if you rub the outside of your knee joint,
that's the general area of the LCL. Typically, in an
anti air cruciate ligament injury, you will get either an
isolated tear of the in other words, nothing else is

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wrong except that ligament is torn. But you don't know
the percentages off the.

Speaker 8 (01:18:02):
Top of my head.

Speaker 10 (01:18:03):
But the medial collateral ligament is quite often injured with
an ACL tear, and sometimes you'll get a little moniscus
injury and maybe a bone bruise. But to get the
LCL involved is a little less common, and it adds
some complexity to the return to play.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Okay, and that of those two ralph ACL LCL, for example,
is there one of those ligaments that is more stubborn
than the other. Does that make.

Speaker 10 (01:18:35):
Sense stubborn in terms.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Of timeline of repair.

Speaker 10 (01:18:42):
Oh, well, according to all the reports and so forth,
they did actually repair the lateral collateral ligment along with
a repair of the anti kate ligament. They did the
procedures to gain the stability to the knee, and with

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the lateral collateral ligament, not saying that one is more
unique than the other. The ACL carries much more load
front to back. So if you stop in a going
forward and you go into reverse, your ACL is really
involved in that motion when you're rotating or you're running

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in a circle, if you will, And that ligament on
the outside is where a lot of stress comes. And
so it adds the complexity to it from the standpoint
that not only will the ACL need to repair and
he'll need to get that motion back, but one of
his greatest traits as an athlete is his ability to

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be mobile and to get out of peculiar situations on
the field, being partially tackled and rotating out of it.
So as a matter of fact, his longtime strength coach
Bob Stoops, who managed him in Texas and then moved
to Kansas City with him, is well known for his

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ability to train athletes like that. So this will be
a real test to get Mahomes back to the homes
that we've known with all of his various abilities to
get out of tough situations.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Ralph, is there a and I know that everybody is different, right,
every human is different, But for the most part, in
your experience and your vast experience as an athletic trainer,
is there an age that more often than not, you
from a training standpoint look at and say, gosh. And
I'm not saying Patrick Mahomes case, okay, just generically speaking,

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that you look at and you say, once a guy
or a gal reaches that age, then it's kind of
like having one hundred thousand miles on the car where
things just are different than they were prior. Is there
like a magic age that is the age of the
Mendoza line?

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
From a training standpoint, I don't.

Speaker 10 (01:21:05):
Think we've found that, Jake, and I think you know
all the recent news from downhill skiing to quarterbacks in
the NFL that line is raising into a higher age bracket.
And you know, so what Lindsey Vonn has done to
come back from multiple knee surgeries, some parts of her

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knee being replaced and being able to do what she's
doing at age forty one and is remarkable by old standards.
And so I think that we're we're more forgiving as
a sports society to allow age not to be a factor.

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Lebron James has certainly done that. You look at across
Major League Baseball and people standing on that pitching mound
that have done amazing things that at what we would
refer to his old age. So I think that line,
whatever it is, is rising, if you will, into an
old older age bracket.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Jake Okay, Bernard Ryman has and all we know is
that it is an elbow injury. Now you know, we
all hit our funny bones, so to speak. But he
had it bandaged. It's a little bit perhaps more elusive
to the weekend warrior like me, but as somebody with
more of a trained die And I know you don't
work specifically with Ryman, but typically that would mean perhaps

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what and how problematic an area My.

Speaker 10 (01:22:34):
Sense is with this situation, again, there's there's not a
lot specific to this injury, but if we were to
be generic about elbow injuries in linemen, he's probably had
some soft tissue injury. Again to the UCL A lot

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of acronyms here the owner collateral ligament which acts like
the lateral collateral and the media flateral in the knee.
So if you think about the elbow as a little
bit of a resemblance the knee joint, you'd be pretty accurate.
And so my guess is that he's got a Tommy
John type of stretched to the ulner collateral ligament and

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that really deteriorates the stability of the elbows to work correctly.
And so what does that mean. That means that to
extend and push off, so to grab and pull towards you.
So those kinds of things are are very very limited.

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You can be braced up, you can be really stabilized,
but you're real limited in your ability to use that
arm the way you want. And then, as we've seen
with other injuries, then you have compensation kind of issues
that you worry about around the wrist and also more
particularly up around the shoulder joint.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
When you look Ralph at the forest buckner coming back
Ralphreef is my guest Joba House Peel and poor guest
line Ralph Reef dot com, r e i f f
dot com where you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Can see Ralph's work. Also see where he continues to
work in terms of whether it be speaking engagements or
working in the training aspects of today that's got him
going all over the world.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
But Ralph, when you look at DeForest Buckner and coming off,
we know that we talked about and you did a
great job explaining stem cells and the neck injury that
he had. Once a guy is cleared from the situation
that he has had, do you have to bubble wrap
it a little bit or do you not put him
out there until he's good to go? Will there be
any impediment to his range of motion?

Speaker 10 (01:24:40):
So range of motion won't be should not be an issue.
The biggest issue would be around his strength of the
affected limb, So more than likely he had one side
of his upper extremities that was affected by this well
dot com um ended disc in the cervical vertebrae that

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was damaged in some manner. Therefore, it started to swell
and it put pressure on the nerves that run into
the upper shoulder the back and into the arm. And
so we know Weekend Warrior NFL player, when you have

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a nerve impingement or a nerve injury to where it's
not fully functioning due to it's so like a water
hose in the you know, beside your house, and that's
running and you step on it and therefore not as
much water runs through the water hose. And that's the

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same thing with the nerve. And so we know that
within twelve to fourteen days muscles deteriorate in strength of
the forty percent. So his big issue coming back will
be strength and endurance. And therefore then the third thing

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would be pain because that nerve can create some pain
into the arm, into the tricept and so forth. So
I think the biggest issue is does he have the
strength to play his position at the level that we
know him to play.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
Ralph.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Lastly, because you're always a good sport and you know,
we've moved into a new building that we have some
wires that are kind of like nerves, right, like you
step on them wrong, and you know, things just kind
of missfine. So so occasionally and periodically, when we're talking
to people, their voice gets a little elevated and pitched.
They sound a little a little like maybe they're in
the Wizard of Oz and you're a good sport. Can
we get you real quick just to say for me,

(01:26:43):
if you could, we represent the Lollipop Guild. Can I
just get you real quick to say that on the
air we represent the Lollipop Guild.

Speaker 10 (01:26:51):
We represent the Lollipop Guild.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
That is not really what Ralph sounds like. I obviously, folks.
We just have a wire. We got to get some
stem cells in one of the wires for our system here, Ralph,
I appreciate it. It is great information. Even if it sounds
a little helium helium induced. It is great information and
always appreciated. If we don't talk to you, certainly wish
you the very best of the holiday season. I think

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we'll probably talk before then, but if we don't, certainly
wanted to get that covered as well.

Speaker 10 (01:27:22):
Okay, thank you very much, the same to everyone there
within in the station.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Ralph reef joining us on the Java House feeling poor
guest line and doing so from the Lollipop Guild. By
the way, it is, it's a fascinating deal. Right, all
of a sudden, that wire gets touched on, and then
all this there were up and running. There is news
for Indiana University football, and it's not just about Kurt
Signetti being the two time now AP Coach of the Year,

(01:27:46):
but rather there is news for Indiana at the quarterback position.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
And it's not entirely good news. I'll explain next.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
This is Querry in Company at least three five and
one oh seven five the Fan.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
I can't even begin to explain how big this song
was when it came out my senior in high school
and Nathaniel don't call me Atticus Finch. Literally he was
Jimmy jamb from the USA Network's Dance Part of USA earlier.
And now you're over there, you look like DJ skids,
like you're kind of doing the bob back.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
And forth JMV on a Saturday night.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
You're getting into you J and V on a Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Except for that, if JV was doing that on a
Saturday night, you'd be able to hear it all the
way up to about twelfth Street.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Right he turned.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
You get off the elevators and the floor and like, WHOA,
JV's got a bumping in there, right.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
It on our old fifth floor. We could hear it
from the fourth floor.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Heck yeah, uh, Indiana football news obviously, the Hoosiers getting
set for the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, and the tickets.
I've got several friends that got the notification their tickets
are good to go.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
They're on their way.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
It is exciting, it's awesome, no question about any of that,
no question about any of that. And the whoever the
funk it? Right, although again I think this year when
they came back and were able to get that win

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at Iowa, when they were down and it looked like
they were dead to rights and then all of a
sudden you see that play to surat that touchdown. Right
there is where I said to myself, you know what,
there's something about this group, something about them, And this

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is the reality. You saw the sixty minute story of
Indiana and their pledge now to football more so than basketball. Understandably,
I mean apples and orange just to a great extent,
but same athletic department obviously. But when you look at

(01:29:58):
the transfer portal and you keep an eye on and
I don't know every player, you know, you'll hear about
a four star right guard from Texas Tech in the
portal looking at Boise State. Okay, I just saw yesterday

(01:30:20):
some player that is getting apparently is looking to transfer,
getting a medical red shirt and an extra year of
eligibility and will be at his seventh school. Okay, I
told you the Jake Querry idea. Go to the school
that gives you the most your freshman year, threaten the

(01:30:41):
portal for your sophomore year, get more money out of them.
Junior year, go to the highest bidder. Senior year, go
to like Stanford, Duke, Harvard or Yale and say, instead
of paying me, you're going to take all my credits.
I'm going to graduate from your school. And I know
that people are like, there's no way you could do that. Okay,
but here's the news from Indiana football. At the quarterback spot.

(01:31:05):
Drew Mestimaker, who is one of the best passers in
the nation North Texas averages three hundred and eighteen passing
yards per game, entered his name into the transfer portal
and Indiana was a school that apparently he had interest. However,
multiple reports and I went ahead and checked it to

(01:31:26):
make sure that it wasn't just there are multiple people
now saying not specifically this amount, but that at this
point mess to maker is moving on from talks with
or exploration of Indiana, and I have no idea like
when they're allowed to talk to players, whether that means
he talked directly or his representatives did whatever. He is

(01:31:49):
apparently looking for three point five million dollars, and I
think Indiana was willing to pay. I don't know this,
but I think Indiana is willing to pay. You know, Mendoza,
I believe, if you believe all reports two million. Sam
Levitt is the quarterback at Arizona State that's also in
the portal and one of the more coveted transfer portal quarterbacks,

(01:32:12):
and he is apparently rumored to be in a finality
with Indiana.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Yes, Nathaniel, I.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
Was just putting my finger up to say you have
one minute.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
Ah, I thought you were saying, but let me make
a point, right, let me make a point here. No so,
and thank you. Levitt is one. Now you have Alberta
Mendoza there as well, you know, and Kurt Signetti. Though
I told this story and this is why Indiana is
where they are. I know someone that was meeting with

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Scott Dolson, the athletic director at Indiana, and then they're
meeting with Scott Dolson. Kurt Signetti walked in and handed
Scott Dolson a sheet of paper and Scott Dolson said,
what's this And he said that's what you asked for
this morning and Dolson said oh, and Signetti walked out
and Dolson told my friend, I thought this was going
to take like three weeks or a month. I asked

(01:33:06):
him about this at eight thirty this morning, and here
it is like ten forty five and he's already got
a sheet from me. And Dolson had asked for a
list of Indiana's fifty top targets and the transfer portal
and an estimation as to what nil cost would be
for each, and Signetti was able to submit that to
his boss within two hours because he already had it prepared,

(01:33:30):
thinking ahead of the curve and knowing that it wasn't
raining when Noah built the arc. That's why you're a
two time National Coach of the Year. Joela ericson next query.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
In Company on ninety three five and one oh seven
five the fan.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
This sounds like the London Philharmonic version of this song
or something.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
It's just like just the brass and wood wings version.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
Now this is the eighty nine through five version.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Is it really? It seems high and pitchy.

Speaker 4 (01:34:02):
Maybe it's just one of those loose wires we're dealing with.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
I'm going to say, can we get it to say?

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Follow the yelbrick road? Did you hapen to get a
hold of Joela ericson my chance?

Speaker 9 (01:34:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
Joel Erickson is, of course the Colt speed writer for
the Indianapolis Star. He joins us on the Java House
Peel and Poor Guest line. Java House Jake twenty five
is the discount code twenty five percent off all of
your peel and Port beverages, including the Wrangler Energy, the
Liquid Science Hydration, and as well the Colombian Coffee, which
I particularly love. Let's get right to this, Joel. From

(01:34:34):
an injury standpoint, Bernard Ryman, I will begin with that
elbow is all I know, and we all have two
of them. Where do things stand with Bernard Ryman? And
do we know any more specifically what may be wrong?

Speaker 11 (01:34:47):
No, we don't know anything more specifically.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
We're kind of on.

Speaker 11 (01:34:52):
A weird week here where this is Wednesday, and normally
we should have updated information, but for the Colts it's
technically two today since they're playing on Monday. So this
is one of those weird ones where every day kind
of feels a little bit off because you're doing stuff.
You're doing stuff a day late. But the last I
saw of Ryman he walking out of the locker room

(01:35:14):
and using only his left hand but to carry stuff.
Everything like that, as you'd expect after suffering an elbow injury.
But Shane's ikond didn't rule him out. So we'll just
kind of see how things go when they get into
practice tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Joe, I thought you asked, and I believe it was
you that asked the question, And I want to get
into this the I totally understand it. You know, the
Philip Rivers and you know Anthony Richardson now being back,
I'm confused by this, and I want you to paraphrase
for folks, how exactly did you ask the question to
Shane Stike and regarding Anthony Richardson and his availability or

(01:35:51):
lack thereof.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
I believe I.

Speaker 11 (01:35:56):
Said something along the lines of, you know, for those
of us who don't know what's what's what makes it
the difference between you know, Anthony Richardson not really playing
football for two months versus Philip Rivers not playing for
four and a half or five years, and really he said,
it just comes down to the fact that Richardson is
coming off of injury. My understanding is he's clear to

(01:36:19):
do physical activity, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's ready
to practice that kind of thing. Obviously a very serious
eye injury. But yeah, that's that's kind of that's kind
of what we're I was trying to get at was just,
you know, obviously two months off is not the same
as five years off. But you know, Shane Stikeen was

(01:36:40):
like the difference of the fact that that Richardson was.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
Injured what I found peculiar. And I want you, Joel,
you were there, okay, I want you to tell me
if I'm wrong in this. To me, it would have
been very easy for Shane steike And to simply say, look,
every injury is different, and while he has been cleared
to practice, we still have to be very cautious because
it was an orbital bone of full contact and so

(01:37:05):
we will temper that as it goes. I think people
go okay, But when he repeatedly kept saying, like, you know,
physical activity or I can't remember the exact wording that
he used, but basically insinuating he's got to get back
into football shape. And I'm thinking, yeah, but you're comparing
it to a guy that's twenty years older and hasn't
played literally in a half a decade. To me, what

(01:37:27):
I'm getting at is this, and I want you to
tell me I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
You were there.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
It sounded to me like Shane Steichen was basically coming
up with any reason he could to essentially say, because
I'm done with the guy. I don't dislike him as
a person. I don't want to dislike him as a player.
I just distrust him as a quarterback and I'm going
to go elsewhere. That's what I heard.

Speaker 11 (01:37:47):
My understanding is that there are physical, you know issues.
I agree with you generally the answer you laid out.
It does feel like it would be easy see that.
I mean, I think three years, isn't that we know
that wegen We don't always get an explanation quite like
that from Shane.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
By the way, Joel, this is you know, it's a
wonderful time of year, right, you know. I mean Andy
Williams said it's the most wonderful time of the year.
And in one of the things that's fun about it.
You know, you have kids, and you know, you wake
up here in a little over a week or whatever
it might be, and there's gifts under the tree and

(01:38:29):
it's fun, right, and there's you know, stuff hanging in
this from the fireplace and oranges in it and candy
in it and the whole deal. I'm just curious. It's
my understanding. It's my understanding. Did you happen to get
any sort of a porch visit in the middle of
the night of late.

Speaker 11 (01:38:49):
The Beer Fairy? Yeah, like one of the Beer Fairy's
best runs ever, I think, really yes, Well, you know,
you know, I don't know if the listeners know this,
that the Beer Fery has ways of sort of making
requests for wondering whether or not, you know, if they

(01:39:10):
if I'm craving anything. And sometimes it stuff's out and
sometimes it's not. But I got exactly I got exactly
what I asked for on my list.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Listen, the Beer Faery. The Beer Fairy is, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
And for those that don't know, the Beer Faery is,
and I actually I've never actually divulged.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
This, but I will, Joel, I'll tell you this real quick.
You're ready.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Yeah, many moons ago I was but a younger lad
and I was I was living in Saint Louis. Actually okay,
true story, And my car got stolen in Saint Louis,
also a true story. And because my car was stolen,
and during the time between when my car was stolen
and when I could get a new car, I took

(01:39:51):
public transportation, no problem, right. And I was one day
on the King's Highway late at night, late at night.
The only light illuminating the interior of this old bus
that I was riding was that of one of the
Greasy spoon diners there on King's Highway in Saint Louis.
And through the flicker of the Greasy Spoon diner, I
could see within the bus the glistening of some sort

(01:40:13):
of almost like a like a dust. And I heard
but of a whimper, and I realized it was the
Beer Faery. Beer Fery was making a run now in
Saint Louis. The beer Fairy has a bit of a
monopoly because Aneser Bush runs everything, right, so not a
hard gig for the beer Faery. So the beer Faery
was telling me how, because everybody in Saint Louis already
has Anheuser Busch stuff not a lot of use or

(01:40:35):
work for the beer faery. So we became friends, and
the beer fery occasionally will ask me if I know
of people that may need help from the beer faery,
and so I have facilitated those conversations. And the beer
faery is very eager to please. And so I asked
you on the air if there was anything you like,
and I think and I passed it along to the

(01:40:56):
beer faery. My understanding is the beer faery works very,
very hard to accommodate.

Speaker 11 (01:41:02):
I just just an incredible, an incredible run, you know,
and you will enjoy this as well. I am planning
to sit down and sample the tail wagger amber that
came as I continue to read John U. Bacon's latest book,
you know what it is? I noticed to the topic

(01:41:24):
that they interest you as.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Well, John You Bacon's latest book, You know I and
I did read a book from Johnya Cheddar which is
from the same category as Johnny Bacon's, but I don't
know the book of which he speaks, So go ahead.

Speaker 8 (01:41:37):
The Gales of November.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
Oh hell yeah, I should have known this, yes, and
I got I got news for you. It leaves you
with a sinking feeling. Just so you know, I do
know how the book ends. Uh, this is the Tale
of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Correct, this is the Tale of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Yes, Joel,
I have already had anniversary. Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
I've always had beef with Gordon Lightfoot, Okay, because Gordon
Lightfoot in his song saying it says and the record
of the Edvan Fitzgerald, he says, the church bell chimed.
It chimed twenty nine times for each man on the
Edmon Fitzgerald. And I've always had beef with that because
it actually chimed twenty nine times, once for each man

(01:42:18):
on the ined mif Fitzgerald. The way that he does
it indicates that it's twenty nine per person, right, and
twenty nine times twenty nine would be what some eight
hundred and forty two something like that. It didn't chime
that many.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
Times, just chiming. Yeah, that's right, Gordon. That's an excellent point, Gordon.
A little sloppy by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
Gordon Lightfoot also wrote Sundown about the woman that was
his mistress at the time, who later went on to
become the mistress that was with John Beluci on the
night he died.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
But that's a different talk show. But I'm glad.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
I'm glad you're going to enjoy your beer while you
read your book, and the beer fairy is happy to
know that the beer fairy had a good delivery. Now,
let's get back to this in terms of delivery for
the Colts, do you feel Philip Rivers delivered and do
you think Shane Steiken delivered the right game plan for him?

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
It was the right game plan for that game.

Speaker 11 (01:43:08):
Rivers executed honestly better than I thought he would in
terms of how many passes he completed for that game.
Like I said, it's it's the right one because that's
that defense picks off a lot of passes. They sacked
quarterback a lot. Ultimately, though, it ended up to me
just sort of highlighting how the predicament the Colts are

(01:43:31):
in without Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback, because if
you have to run that sort of game plan where
you need just you need everything to go just perfectly,
it's it's just not a way to make the it's
not a way to make the playoffs. But here's the thing,
Like when you're down to your number three quarterback and
you're calling in Philip Rivers from you know, Fairhope, Alabama

(01:43:56):
to do it.

Speaker 8 (01:43:56):
That's that's kind of the spot you're in.

Speaker 11 (01:43:59):
And and that would be true if it was Riley Leonard.
That would be true if it was smelling air. Just
whenever you get to your number three option at quarterback
at the NFL, you're at a bad spot.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
If they Okay, and I don't know this answer, Joel.
If the Colts were to lose Monday Night to San Francisco,
not saying that's going to happen, but if they were
to lose Monday Night to San Francisco, in other words,
there is no chance they are eliminated from the postseason mathematically.
As a matter of fact, they would not. The latest
game in which they would be eliminated would be going

(01:44:32):
into Week seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Am I correct? I think so? I think so.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
So that gives them because the reason I ask, if
they are eliminated from the postseason, do we assume that
that means Philip Rivers then hops arrived with the beer
ferry back to Alabama.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
That is a fantastic question.

Speaker 8 (01:44:51):
I would think so, but I don't.

Speaker 11 (01:44:56):
But also, Philip Rivers is you know the kind of
guy who duty and that stuff. So maybe you would
stick around. But yes, I would think. I would think
if they got eliminated, that would be the end of it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Once they're eliminated, they don't have and I hate to
say this because he's a good dude, but they don't
have any use for him at that point because at
that point you have two quarterbacks that you have to
see something from.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
Right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 11 (01:45:17):
Agree with that. I think if you're eliminated from the playoffs,
the changes the equation entirely. And so yeah, that's that's
kind of expecting. But you know, I've I've been wrong
about this cult team a few times this year, and
so I'm making me hedge my bets.

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
But by the way, have you ever listened to Joel
speaking of the Edmund Fitzgerald? Have you ever listened to
the radio transmission of the captain that was in the
ship that they asked to go back and check on
the Fitzgerald?

Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (01:45:47):
I have.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
I don't mean to make light of this, I mean
it was fifty years ago. There are still obviously fait,
you know. I mean, I would imagine many of the
men that perished have kids that are rotten. My age now,
But I don't know that I've ever heard of radio
transmission of a dude that less wanted to do what
he was being asked than that guy, right, And I
don't blame him, right, but but he literally is like, oh,

(01:46:10):
I don't know, the city's pretty large out there. I mean,
you could tell this guy was sitting down with a
book and a delivery from the beer faery and had
zero interest.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
Correct, Yeah, Yeah, that's that's definitely there.

Speaker 11 (01:46:22):
There's a there's a there's a piece I'm only like
one hundred and something pages in right now, but there's
a piece about like a rescue from one of the
other freighters that went down before the fits, and it's
the rescue sounds almost as bad as a thinking if that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
Oh, it had to have been treacherous as can be. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
I mean, this guy and I'll give him credit. I mean,
the Captain Anderson I think is his name. He is,
He was the ship that was and I believe he
was in front of the Fitzgerald, if I'm not mistaken.
But he when they radioed to him, you know, they're like, hey,
can you turn around and go back? And he I
mean I think ultimately he did do so actually, And

(01:47:05):
it wasn't that he but he was just saying like, look,
this is literally the worst we've ever seen. I mean,
he was like, there is holding her own there and
then he wanted no part of it. Man, you could tell.
I mean, it's it's it's kind of haunting actually.

Speaker 8 (01:47:20):
The waves, the waves and everything.

Speaker 11 (01:47:21):
So obviously being from Wisconsin, I've been by you know,
Get You Gone, and by Lake Michigan quite a bit,
but I've never been on them, and the waves out
out where it's you know, where you have a freighter
going in the Great Lakes can be can be pretty intense,
and I can't imagine trying to you know, like one

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of the haunting things from the book so far as
they say those freighters were so long that like the
front of the freighter could be in one wave and
the back of the way the fre freighter could be
in the other wave, and the middle is just suspended
above the water, which is Herrick.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
Well, I don't know if you know this or not,
but the waves turn the minutes to ours now and
the Edmund Fitzgerald Joel True true story. The Edmund Fitzgerald,
if you had stood it upright, was taller than the
Salesforce Tower in Indianapolis. That's how long it was. I
mean that gives you an idea how big it was
all right before we let you go. Just kind of overall,
you know, if you could coming off of this game,

(01:48:23):
there just kind of seems to be this unknown about
the Colts speak. And we'll get into it a later time.
Whether or not Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen are back
we can get, you know, with the the injuries themselves.
You know, Mooney Ward, I have real question about whether
or not he comes back next year, but that remains
to be seen. Right other players, you wonder if they

(01:48:43):
come back in terms of the health status right now
of players for availability that could be working their back,
their way back in or miss the game against San Francisco.
Run down for me those players and then run down
for me what you anticipate seeing, if anything different in
terms of their use of philip rivers from what we

(01:49:04):
saw against Seattle.

Speaker 9 (01:49:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:49:07):
I think the big the big tooth that stick out
in my mind are the Forest Buckner who practiced last
week but wasn't able to go. You know, if you
can get him back, that helps. I mean, this past
rush has gets only has two secs in the last
three weeks. I don't know that you're going to get
Buckner the full the Forest Buckner coming off of this injury,

(01:49:30):
but but he would still he would still help. And
then I'm also very curious to find out does Sauce
Gardner uh start to make his way back from the
calf He's been out a couple of weeks now.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
I don't know that the calf.

Speaker 11 (01:49:44):
Strains are obviously tricky, and I think if you watch
NBA basketball, you're aware that those things tend to linger.
So maybe we don't see him. But the other one
that could help considerably for this team in.

Speaker 8 (01:49:57):
Terms of injury, and then and then the other one.

Speaker 11 (01:49:59):
That's just Jude have left tackle because this is a
this is a forty nine ers team that does not
rush the passer well at all. This season, there were
thirty second in sacks or thirty sorry, thirty second sack
sack rate. They're thirty first in pressure rate. They only
have sixteen sacks on the season. Their lead guy has four,
But that kind of evens out if you're going against

(01:50:20):
two backup tackles instead of against Bernard Ryman and Jalen Travis,
So I think that's the other one. That's there's those
three right there would really really change I think the
picture a little bit. And then in terms of Rivers,
like how many how many of those back shoulders does
his arm having them?

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
That's mine and I mean didn't Seattle kind of to
me Joel and I didn't mean to cut you off there,
but but yes, because Seattle, I think kind of wanted to.
They kind of let him do, like, Okay, let's see
what you got here, right, And then once they kind
of had an idea, then they were able to kind
of push forward. They knew they didn't have to drop

(01:50:57):
several back they could spy on Taylor, that they didn't
have to blitz because they didn't want Tailor running through
a blitz because they just kind of sat back and
that and Indianapolis could not move the ball. So did
they put the blueprint there for San Francisco?

Speaker 11 (01:51:11):
Yeah, it's I mean, if you're if you're Robert Saller,
you're thinking, I got to move my guys forward.

Speaker 8 (01:51:16):
The other thing that's.

Speaker 11 (01:51:17):
Interesting is that San Francisco's defense this year essentially is
allowing teams to just do what Rivers did Essentially, they're
just letting teams through a complete a lot of passes
and throw short. They've given up a very high completion percentage,
but they haven't given up that many points because they're
incredible in the red zone.

Speaker 8 (01:51:39):
So and and.

Speaker 11 (01:51:41):
Then you figure out can they move them forward a
little bit not have to worry about say like if
you have a different quarterback in this game, then you
are terrified by peers getting over the top on you.
You're probably not worried about that, right, But their style,
their style of play is sort of to to let
you do what Rivers was doing last week, then just

(01:52:01):
kind of take advantage of it and let you not
score enough points on your drives and then you end
up losing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
Okay, Joel, before I let you go, because the wires
are getting stepped on again here and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
Your voices, like right there, you're a little giggle. It's
it's it's fun, right.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Uh So if you could, and I'll give you dealer
you know or not dealers, but recipient's choice. We need
you to either say follow the yellow brick road, we
represent the Lollipop Guild, or declare that the witch is dead.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Whichever one you'd.

Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
Like follow the yellow brick roads.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
Now, did you alter your voice in doing that in
any way, shape or form.

Speaker 11 (01:52:48):
No, No, and I and I don't and I don't
know what just happened on the other end. I'm mystified.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
We'll send it to you.

Speaker 11 (01:52:57):
I assumed it was gonna play me in the next time.

Speaker 9 (01:52:59):
My mom.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
Listen, can he do it one more time?

Speaker 8 (01:53:09):
Follow the yellow brick road?

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
All right, Joe, We'll let you go down the yellow
brick road. I appreciate it as always. He's a good
he's a good sport Joe Daniel and doesn't even know
that he's being a good sport. Right, I mean you
got to make listen, lemonade and lemons. Right, you get lemons,
you make lemonade with it. I want to have fun
with it. We'll get it all worked out. We'll get

(01:53:34):
it all figured out. We get the gist of what
he's saying. But the that was solid. Do you did
you record that already? Can we play it?

Speaker 4 (01:53:42):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
Go go ahead and fire that up. I don't have
it right.

Speaker 4 (01:53:44):
I don't have it ready ready, but it's recorded.

Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
But when you got it ready ready, like, I want
to hear that again because that was great. A. I mean,
Ralph was good and Agnes was good, but that that
was top of the line. We didn't get Stephanie to
do one. Right, Okay, I think Joel's the clubhouse leader here, right,
is it not?

Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
I think that's fair to say, totally solid.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
From Joel a Ericson.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
But like I said, when it comes to the way
that San Francisco, if I'm San Francisco, I look at
it and I say, okay, it's really simple. When Philip
Rivers is under center, then you know, I think in
the beginning they were tempted to blitz and like we

(01:54:26):
got to get after Philip Rivers and just and put
on bring the heat. But then they very quickly figured
out we don't even need to do that because his
range is so limited. He did throw that fabulous pass
to Alec Pearce, but for the most part he is
now a dank and dunk quarterback, which is fine, but

(01:54:49):
between his lack of mobility and his lack of long
ball range, you knew, look, we can the curveball here
is you have a Mira Duela that they're not bringing
out of the backfield, and you have Jonathan Taylor, so
we can't blitz and bring too many, because then if

(01:55:09):
they are able to get beyond the line, then they've
got open space there. So they said, you know what,
We're just gonna drop back stack it right there, five
yards off the line and see if Rivers can throw
over that. And he couldn't and Taylor couldn't run through it,
and that would seemingly be the the blueprint that you

(01:55:29):
would assume San Francisco holds with.

Speaker 1 (01:55:33):
Oh, okay, do we have each? Do we have each?

Speaker 9 (01:55:36):
To hear?

Speaker 4 (01:55:36):
But what do you do when you're looking for the
Wizard of Oz?

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
Okay, that's Joel? Right? Do we have Scott from yesterday?
We don't have that?

Speaker 4 (01:55:49):
De we I don't know now what what did we have?
Stephanie say follow the yellow brick road?

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
And I believe now. So here's what we're gonna do.
We got to do like a a competition. I'll send you.
I've got Scott from yesterday. We've got to see which
one was the best. I think it may have been.
I think Joel was the best, right, Yeah, I agree,
I think I think that that one was the best one.

(01:56:18):
But we'll make a we'll make a sporting competition out
of all of.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
It, and these guys will never call us again.

Speaker 3 (01:56:24):
Oh no, they will listen. I have again, Nathaniel. I'm
gonna be honest with you. When I was on that
late night bus in Saint Louis and I heard the
rustling and literally and there was a bit of a

(01:56:46):
chill on the bus and Saint luisie hot humid town,
just a slight illumination in the interior of the bus,
only the driver up front. But the driver was in
a different area the bus, and I heard the little
rustling of a noise and that's when I look down
and there it was just this glistening of light and

(01:57:07):
it was the beer Fairy. And the beer faery told me,
I live in Saint Louis. This is the worst time
to be the beer faery because no one needs beer delivered.
The entire city works for Frandheuser Busch and they all
get their own free allotment. Every other Thursday, they open
their trunk, they get two cases of either Bush Bud.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Or bud Light.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
And the beer Fairy was legitimately depressed. And I said, well,
I live in Indianapolis, and there are times I might
meet people that could use the services of a beer Faery,
and so the Beer Faery said that would be wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:57:40):
That would be wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
And I have worked as an intermediary for the Beer
Faery in helping out people like Joel to get beer
from places from afar that they can't normally get. So,
for example, the Beer Fery has a network of people,
and I was in Wisconsin and the Beer Faery got
me in touch with the Wisconsin chapter and Joel told

(01:58:03):
me specifically what he wanted, and the Beer Fairy delivered it. Now,
the pay for that. The Beer Fairy wants no money.
The Beer Fairy wants no money. The Beer Fairy simply
wants the recipient to know that it means that they
should do nice things as a token of appreciation for

(01:58:24):
the facilitator. So I'm not saying that we're bribing Joel
to come on the program. I'm not saying that in
any way, shape or form. I'm not saying I'm offering
rendering payment for it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
But there's a system of reciprocity here.

Speaker 3 (01:58:36):
There's a friendship that takes place where he says, you
know what, no problem, even when we mockingly play clips
of him doing soundbits from the Wizard of oz like
the one Nathaniel you just played. That will play again
right here.

Speaker 11 (01:58:51):
Right follow the yellow broad.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
Scott Agnes was solid yesterday. But I think Ralph freefers
pretty play Ralph again.

Speaker 10 (01:59:00):
We represent the Lollipop Guild.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
It's pretty good. Man. Did you find Stephanie's.

Speaker 5 (01:59:08):
We didn't ask Stephanie too, we had. We had asked
her if she could wade through sounding like helium.

Speaker 4 (01:59:12):
She said, yeah, I got it mixed up.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
Okay, I couldn't remember either.

Speaker 3 (01:59:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:59:29):
Query in company on Nutty three five and one oh
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Speaker 3 (01:59:34):
Thank you, by the way, to Stephanie White, Ralph ree
Joel A. Erickson All for joining the program. Nathaniel, don't
call me Attica. Spinch has been manning the controls today.
Eddie back tomorrow, Is that right?

Speaker 5 (01:59:49):
We'll see if the Hat Guild Federation place lets him.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
The big Hat Federation. That's correct.

Speaker 3 (01:59:53):
Well, he's the big Head, the Big Head Federation. But
now he's doing the lighting. I think they're the lighting
that he's helping put up out of the fairgrounds. I
believe they take Thursdays off, so he may be in here.
And of course there's a Pacers game tomorrow night as well.
Pacers next Tomorrow night. Nicks are of course the NBA

(02:00:14):
in season champion.

Speaker 4 (02:00:16):
Right, hopefully they partied like crazy still.

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
That's right, all kinds of champagne flowing right.

Speaker 3 (02:00:24):
Speaking of by the way celebrations and tomorrow night and
the Pacers. I will be at Night Owls at thirty
five thirty five South Emerson tomorrow night, beginning at seven thirty.
This is part of our friends at Mick Ultra. I
love it Micultra. We do the basically the mini ball
Papa Shot competition and you go out. It's very simple,

(02:00:48):
come out, have a Mick Ultra, enjoy the atmosphere. We'll
be watching the Pacers game. I would love to see everybody.
I'm rarely down there in the Beechgrove area in terms
just in terms of I don't mean I'm rarely down there.
I love that area and I'm rarely down in terms
of like being on remotes and things like that. So
because I'm not out and about with this time frame
as much, so tomorrow night, seven thirty to nine thirty,

(02:01:09):
I will be there. Come out, try your luck, try
to record the high score. You get the high score
for the night, you're gonna win a Mick Ultra jersey.
You're gonna get your score recorded and written down, and
then your chance to advance into the finals.

Speaker 1 (02:01:21):
All told.

Speaker 3 (02:01:22):
After the stops that we do. We already have done
this one stop at Bankley's, which was awesome. Bankley's in
basically South Broaderpool, Kessler in college and Banklee's I loved.
I love Bankley's in general. I've been to Bankley's a

(02:01:42):
billion times over the course of my years. And one
of the things amongst many that I love about Bankley's
right now is they have decided Courtney kind of just said,
you know what, you have the old Union Jackson Speedway
location off of Crawfordsville, and I love Union jack in

(02:02:04):
broader Pool.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
That not related.

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
The two of them are no longer affiliated. The Union
jack in Broaderpool, I believe was after the one in
Speedway had opened, and at one time they were under
the same umbrella.

Speaker 1 (02:02:16):
They are no longer.

Speaker 3 (02:02:17):
The speedway location location closed and it was literally that
was the spot for Indy five hundred memorabilia and just
war stories and you know, Bobby uns are going in
there and hanging out and et cetera, et cetera. And
Bankley's has done a remarkable job. Subtle That's what I

(02:02:39):
like about it. There's a subtlety just in terms of
almost like the molding around the wall itself of nothing,
but I mean by the dozens historic Indianapolis five hundred,
black and white photos, winter photos, qualifying photos, all of it, Lynda,
Vaughn Parnelli, Uncle Bobby Little, app Mario, all kinds of

(02:03:02):
signed memorabilia stuff. And they have one room in there
that is essentially they have two private dining rooms at Bankley's,
but one of them is designed around the five hundred.
It is super cool and it goes without saying they
got a great, great menu and the culture that we
had there. It was fun doing the competition and then

(02:03:24):
the high score. I believe Glenn got the high score
that night. That means that he is eligible to advance
amongst the other finalists. At the end of this tour
that we're doing with mcultra and again going to be
at thirty five thirty five South Emerson seven thirty Tomorrow night.
Ultimate Prize go to Milwaukee early February. Tickets Hotel Voucher

(02:03:47):
c Miles Turner taking on his former team taking on
the Blue and Gold in Milwaukee, and you will be
there and I look forward to it tenfold. We talked
earlier at the beginning of the show about this and
Joel just mentioned it, the situation of Shane Steichen answering

(02:04:09):
the question, and I think it is a very fair question,
and I'm not certain that I believe his answer. I
totally understand that Anthony Richardson is coming off an injury
that is of significance, an orbital bone fracture. I mean,
that's painful to even say, a fracture in the bone

(02:04:32):
of your eye socket, brutal, and Anthony Richardson, it's at
no fault of his The guy was He wasn't in
a he wasn't riding around on a sport bike. He
wasn't snowboarding. Dare I say it in this town. It
wasn't water skiing. He was literally stretching before a game

(02:04:52):
and the contraption snapped and snapped back and hit him
in the eye. It is horrific. And I have no
reason to believe that Anthony Richardson is anything other than
a very likable young guy and a great story. But
when he came out of Florida, the narrative on Anthony
Richardson was that he was injury prone and immature. And

(02:05:18):
the injury prone aspect has certainly followed him. The immaturity
that's not up for me to determine other than to
go by what they have told me publicly, and Shane
Steiken has said in not so many terms, that's exactly
the challenge in the issue, is he is a player

(02:05:40):
that what did Shane Steiken keep saying, it's in totality,
it's in the meeting rooms, it's all encompassing, it's not
just what happens on the field. And in the case
of Richardson, the helmet tap was probably the beginning of it,
all right. And they brought in Daniel Jones, perhaps to

(02:06:03):
offer guidance, perhaps to offer insurance, or perhaps because they
knew right there, this guy's a better player, and we
know what happened with Daniel Jones. Shane Steichen yesterday was
kind of caught in his wording a little bit when

(02:06:24):
Joel asked him, Hey, you're saying that you're going with
Philip Rivers on Sunday night because he gives you the
better chance to win, but also because right now Richardson
needs to get back into like complete physical shape, physical

(02:06:46):
activity shape, I believe, was the wording. And you have
a forty four year old guy, a forty four year
old you have Anthony Richardson senior, and then on the
other hand, you have a guy that's basically a senior citizen.
And the forty four year old guy who clearly has
put on weight and has been his extent of physical

(02:07:07):
activity has been Yeah, I'm sure he was working out,
hitting the treadmill, watching land Man during some elliptical sessions.

Speaker 1 (02:07:12):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (02:07:13):
But he was a high school football coach that has
not thrown a pass in nearly five years in the NFL,
and you more trust his physical traits and ability right
now than a guy because he missed four weeks. And
Anthony Richardson is a guy that one of the selling
cards about him, the selling point about him, the narrative

(02:07:35):
from the Colts, not from me, not from Nathaniel, not
from James, not from John, not from Kevin, not from Jeff.
The Colts are the ones that said we would have
taken him number one overall because he is so physically gifted.
And I would think that even seventy percent of that
physically gifted still you look at it and say that

(02:07:56):
would give us a chance to win, or we want
to see what we can out of him before we
analyze an assess going forward. Do we bring back Daniel Jones,
do we sign him, do we keep around Riley Leonard,
who's our backup for next year, et cetera. And I
get the fact that you're talking about that eye injury
is a tenuous thing, but why not just come out

(02:08:18):
and say, guys, listen, because he was cleared to play,
because he was cleared for activity on the field doesn't
mean that he is cleared for contact.

Speaker 1 (02:08:28):
And if he had said that, everyone would have gone.

Speaker 3 (02:08:30):
I totally get it an eye fracture, But by saying
it's more than that, it's just getting him into like
playing type shape, what that to me is Shane Steichen
all but saying I'm not interested in having the guy
on the field. I don't think it's a personal thing.

(02:08:51):
I don't think it's a character thing. I just think
it's a lack of maturity thing, or more so, a
lack of skill of the position. If if Anthony Richardson
had within him any trace of what they saw as
a guy at that size and that athleticism, after the
number of starts that he's had, if they felt that

(02:09:12):
he could still go out and give them a chance,
a puncher's chance, to win games, they'd be doing everything
they can to expedite him being on the field because
you still have him for the future. You still have
him if you so chose, for beyond this year. There's
no reason not to continue to kick the tires on
that and see what's there, especially right now. And if

(02:09:34):
you want to tell me they can't afford to do
that right now because they are still in playoff contention,
I would say to you, then, why did you draft
a guy fifth overall as a quarterback that when it
came down to it, you cannot trust in the biggest
of moments, in the biggest of games. That is the
Colts saying right there, he's a bust. And even though

(02:09:56):
they're not saying it in that language. It appears to
be the first time they are insinuating to all of us.

Speaker 1 (02:10:02):
Read the tea leaves, folks, read the room, Read the room.
We've moved on from it. I don't know that that's fact,
but it feels that way. Crossovers Next tell you.

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Speaker 1 (02:10:43):
Speaking of John and basketball.

Speaker 3 (02:10:46):
As we were talking about the fact that Pacers back
in action nixt tomorrow night Gambridge Field House, I will
be down and look forward to seeing everybody from seven
thirty until nine thirty tomorrow night. If you are not
going to the game, then certainly come by Owls and
I will be there in Beach Grove along with our
friends from Mick ultra but Indiana State and Matthew Graves

(02:11:09):
want to welcome him back again. Matthew Graves who had
triple bypass surgery and I don't belie and that was
not like a scheduled surgery. He you know, several months
ago of course, at the beginning of the basketball season,
was not feeling well and went in and they immediately
realized that there was I'm gonna assume blockage and so

(02:11:31):
triple bypass. And you know, I know I did not
have triple bypass. I mean, don't get me wrong here.
I'm not even comparing what I went through to that.
But as somebody that had, you know, one hundred percent
blockage and a widow maker, there is a feeling of

(02:11:52):
health and physical vulnerability that is just very psychologically tough
to overcome. So for Matthew Graves to get out, even
though he is not returning to the Indiana State basketball
team at this point on a one hundred percent basis,
but being on the sidelines, being around it psychologically, you know, emotionally,

(02:12:12):
I know that's very important. But also on top of that,
just the psychology of it and the feeling of return
to normalcy. And once he goes through that. I can't
speak for him, but I can speak from my own
experience that once you go through each thing for the

(02:12:35):
first time, after you know, once you have items placed
in your heart and you feel that vulnerability or you're
aware of it, then that becomes each step like that
is so important because you just think, Okay, I've gone
through that. Now, now I know I can do that,

(02:12:55):
my body can respond to things, and I'm not as
vulnerable as thought. It's an interesting dynamic. You see it
a lot of times as well with professional athletes that
come back from injury. You know that even when the
knee is one hundred percent, the ankles one hundred percent,
the achilles is one hundred percent, the peace of mind
or the confidence to make a cut, to make a move,

(02:13:19):
all of those things take time, and there is a
psychological hurdle that needs to take place in order for
the athlete to feel like back at one hundred percent,
and in the case of this, you know, just being
out there and having the confidence that his body is
going to be able to get through it. JMB has arrived.

(02:13:40):
It is indeed time for the crossover, and he has
got on a pretty sweet Chess King shirt. Spencer Gibbs
and Merry go round.

Speaker 1 (02:13:51):
That looks good to me. Can we hear it? I
think we can hear it. How was your birthday? That
was awesome?

Speaker 12 (02:13:55):
Thank you for asking. Good time, especially at time when
I was on the air when I didn't know it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:59):
That was fun. Forty eight Is that what? You turned?
Forty eight years old? Five six, big fella, five six,
eleven years away from the rage of six seven? Right? Yeah,
I hoop last night like a madman.

Speaker 12 (02:14:12):
You brought up something because you brought up Chess King
And obviously I got my first pair of parachute pants
at Chess King and that was a very important moment
in my life. But is there any and people are
going to say, well, you know, you and Jake are
kids of the eighties. You're always going to love the
eighties more. There is no debate. The eighties is absolutely
the best decade of all time. All these other decades suck, seriously.

Speaker 3 (02:14:33):
You know the and you know what was such an
epicenter of all of that was indeed, and John I
had to ask We probably mentioned this before, but I
had to ask my mom this once because I was like,
was I hallose standing? So I asked my mom, I said, Mom,
In my mind, I can remember like weekends like this
when it was cold, and you know whatever, my mom

(02:14:55):
and Jason Keller's mom and Matt Churchman's mom and Andy
Birch's mom car pulling one of them would drive and
literally drop us off John at the mall for like
four hours at the age of I'm talking when I
was like ten years old, and literally the other one's
mom would come pick us up at four o'clock and
you'd spend all your time at Chess King and Spencer Gifts,
And I mean I can still remember the exact order

(02:15:17):
of the Mary Parachute pans too right, and then obviously
Aladdin's Castle or Times Square, any of the arcades. I mean,
it was the social epicenter was the mall. It was
Matt it was and it was about socializing Totrue's That's
what it was. I mean, I chased chicks all over
the place and the Blymington College Mall and they all

(02:15:39):
said no.

Speaker 1 (02:15:40):
But it was a ride of passage.

Speaker 3 (02:15:41):
And like the rivalry of meeting kids from another school
and you know that kind of thing.

Speaker 12 (02:15:46):
Jake, the moment somebody from Blymington North or Bloomington South
or Bloomington or Ellisville or Edgewood. And I don't know
why they thought they were a whole out of them now,
but the moment they found out I was from eastern
in Green County, it was over.

Speaker 1 (02:16:00):
I had no choice.

Speaker 8 (02:16:01):
It's done.

Speaker 1 (02:16:02):
Yeah, I mean it's a cast system, right it is.

Speaker 9 (02:16:04):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:16:05):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 3 (02:16:06):
The fashion of them at Chess King for example, or
Merry Go Round was another big one. Parachute pants and
then zipper pants. Both those are two things that have
never come back. Yeah, right, they never too.

Speaker 1 (02:16:19):
And I would buy would you rock some parachute you
wouldn't do it? Right now?

Speaker 12 (02:16:22):
And in fact, if somebody could tell me out there
where I can buy a pair of parachute pants, And
I've looked at Goodwill and I haven't found a pair
of yet, But if you can locate them for me,
I'll buy them and wear them.

Speaker 1 (02:16:33):
I would love that. I love parachute pants. Did they
have multiple pockets in them?

Speaker 9 (02:16:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (02:16:36):
You know, and for today that's built for speed because
we carry all this crap around.

Speaker 1 (02:16:40):
Yeah, you're right there.

Speaker 3 (02:16:42):
Basically were like super comfortable cargo pants, correct a.

Speaker 1 (02:16:46):
Mundo right there?

Speaker 12 (02:16:46):
Hey, I'm going to come up with a new sponsorship
for those moments where James can just put me on
the air when I'm off the air to see what
I say, Like the off the airtimes, Hey, let's see
what Let's listen into what JMV is saying when he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (02:17:01):
Think he might get more opportunity. Right, I can't wait.
So anybody wants to sponsor that. We're wide open for sponsorship.
Did you have a waterbed too? By the way, that
kind of went with the pursum.

Speaker 12 (02:17:10):
I did not have a waterbed, but I did go
a number of times too, Big sir, waterbeds, Big sir.
I have a commercial that runs on the JMV Takeover
that's big, sir.

Speaker 3 (02:17:20):
Love it man. Waterbeds were massive. I remember having to
drain mine once. I think it flooded. It looked like
our old parking building on P two.

Speaker 1 (02:17:27):
Put the garden hose into it out the window.

Speaker 3 (02:17:29):
That's right, all right, John's up next, big show lined up.
He will bring you home today. We'll be back with
you at noon tomorrow. Thanks to Joel Ericson, Stepney White,
Ralph Reef and don't forget Follow the Yellow Brick Road,
Talk to it.

Speaker 1 (02:17:39):
Noon tomorrow,

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