Query & Company Full Show 12/9/25- Ralph Reiff, Scott Agness, and Stephen Holder

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cordell Stewart in the air to Michael Westbrook as a
top ten matchup saw Colorado go on the road and
win in the Big House against Michigan. Of course, Cordell
Stewart would be famous when it comes to plays involving
the Hail Mary. Jim Harbaugh would throw one that nearly

(00:20):
would be completed in miraculous fashion in Pittsburgh to Aaron
Bailey that would have negated a touchdown that Cordell Stewart
had caught earlier in that game when he was known
as Slash for the Pittsburgh Steelers in the NFL playoffs
before they went on to the Super Bowl, and Jim
Harbaugh's pass fell to the turf and the Colts were

(00:44):
denied an AFC championship. You ask, and I hear you
and understand why that you are asking why in the
world on a sports radio program in Indianapolis, Indiana, in
December of twenty twenty five, is some guy playing a
forty year old hail Mary, forty one year old for

(01:04):
that matter, and a thirty plus year old hail Mary play.
And the answer is simple, because on this December day
in twenty twenty five, I have news for you, the
fans of the Indianapolis Colts, your franchise that in the

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last month and a half have seen one of their
top five pick quarterbacks go out onto r and quite
possibly for the season with an orbitable and orbital easy
for me to say, I fracture due to a freak

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accident before a game, with that quarterback out and sidelined,
and then compounding that with your quarterback who you first
learned had a fracture in his leg, which then parlayed
itself into not that leg, but another. So I shouldn't

(02:08):
say it parlayed into Was it because of compensation movement?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I'm not a doctor trainer. We'll probably never know. But
with Daniel Jones now out for the year and with
an uncertain future due to a ruptured achilles, the Colts
have now thrown the third biggest hail Mary that I
have seen in my football viewing. Doug Flutie would be

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the first, Cordel Stewart be the second. And if someone
were to ask me, what are the hail mary passes
of completion that you've seen in your career that are
the most famous, the first I would say are those
two and then this one, and we'll see if it
is completed. Philip Rivers, who is as old as that
Doug flute clip older for that matter, has worked out

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for the Colts, and we may know by the end
of today whether or not he is the guy that
they are going to go ahead and go with on Sunday.
Hear me again, the possibility that Philip Rivers is starting
for your colts, coming up on Sunday in Seattle to

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take on a tough defense in the Seattle Seahawks. Now
there is a lot to unpack with that. Last night,
I was at the Pacer game and I saw Moley
Cox there, and I saw Drew Ogletree there, and I'm
thinking to myself, I wonder if they know that on

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Sunday there's the possibility they're going to be catching passes.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
From Philip Rivers. And they did, But.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Of course at that point all we knew was that
Rivers was coming in to work.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Out for the Colts.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
My thought is, more often than not, when you hear
that a guy is coming into workout for a team
in the situation that they're in. Does anybody remember the
Michael Jackson thriller video. If you remember the Michael Jackson
thriller video. At one point it shows all of the
zombies or the you know, before Jackson turns into the

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zombie himself. It shows the zombies and I can't remember
if it's the lead up to when Ola Ray suddenly
like turns around and boom, they're all dancing in front
of her, or if it's afterwards when the zombie is
walking away, but I think it's before they begin the dance.
One of the zombies is walking with like gelatinous goop

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coming out of his mouth and his arm falls off.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
His arm falls off.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
And there is part of me that believes that the
only thing that is going to prohibit Philip Rivers from
being signed to the Colts after this workout is when
his his arm falls off. You're bringing me in a
guy who is a grandfather who's been coaching for the
last five years high school football. It does remind me

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of I saw somebody put this out there, but it's
totally true. It reminds me of Major League when Lou
Brown gets the call to see if he wants to
come be the skipper of the manager of the Cleveland Indians.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
And you hang on and second, I got a guy
on the other line about some white walls.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I mean, do you think Philip Rivers was like, well, dad, gummet, guys,
hang on, I got a fight going on in the
locker room here between two sophomores over a girl in
an algebra book.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Let me call you back.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
But nonetheless, let's get to the why, the what and
where it goes Philip Rivers when he was here for
one year, and it was the COVID year, so it
was kind of bizarre. We don't really know Philip Rivers
because in the year that he spent as a cult

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at the end of his playing career, he was brought
in different head coach, but his quarterbacks coach, a guy
that he'd worked with for multiple seasons with the Chargers,
was Shane Steichen. Rivers was and I remember at that time,

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you know, Chris Ballard was still in the mode coming
off of the Andrew Luck retirement of an annual band aid,
and you know they had gone through You guys don't
need me to give you the history of quarterbacks that
have come through here, but one of those band aids
was Philip Rivers. And truthfully, in the end, when they

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brought out essentially the corpse of Matt Ryan. You can
blame Philip Rivers for that because they had gone to
the well of the aging end of road soon to
be retired quarterback with Philip Rivers, and it worked. Philip
Rivers had a really nice year and he was a
good place.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
For the Colts.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
And I really do think that the Colts were hoping
and thinking when they got him that they were going
to be able to get at least two years out
of him. But he played that year. It was the
COVID year. So we in Indianapolis, and I don't mean
the media fans in general, you just kind of didn't
get to know the guy because he was going in.

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They were going through their workouts, they were going through
their process each and every day and then doing zoom
calls and whatever else, and you just didn't have the
face to face weird time weird era. But he played
well and they thought they would get another year out
of him, and then he said, now you know what,
I'm good. But I think that that left this consistent

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like what if in the mind of Chris Ballard.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
And then you have.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Shane Steichen, who already is familiar with Philip Rivers and
has a very good relationship with him from their time
at least presumably so together as Chargers. So now here
the Colts are, the situation is as it is, And
if you're Philip Rivers, or you're Chris Ballard or you're

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Shane Steichen, you're probably thinking to yourself, you know what
PACER's got to win last night? And those have become
fewer and further between. But there are actually some bright
lights here, some bright spots for this team. Maybe they're
going to talk about that on sports talk radio in Indianapoli.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Swite will a little bit.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Indiana continues to absolutely amaze everybody with what they are doing.
And the Hoosiers the number one seed in the college
football playoffs, and there's even more chatter, more conversation, more noise,
more dust kicked up involving Notre Dame being left out.
Maybe they'll talk about that on sports talk radio. We'll
get to that. That's in play for sure. Kyle Schwarber

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played college baseball at Indiana, and Kyle Schwarber is a
guy that you know, free agent and man, where's he
going to end up? And you know, there was maybe
the Reds would like throw their hell Mary right or
do what it could that. Well, now we know he's
going to stay in Philadelphia one hundred and fifty million, right,
we're going to talk about that today.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
No, but I just mentioned it for you. Maybe they
thought all of those things were going to be the epicenter.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
But then when it comes down to it, when I
was driving in today and I was thinking about it,
I realized this epiphany. I realized this epiphany of opinion.
This is my belief, Philip Rivers. And maybe maybe in

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the next hour we find out that his arm fell
off and he's not going to be signed. But I
don't think that's going to be the case. But just
the fact that he's even being brought in Now, Initially
the report was Philip Rivers being brought in to see
if he wants to join the practice squad. Is Philip
Rivers being brought in because they think this is the

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perfect opportunity, why not get him here to shootor along
Riley Leonard? No, Riley Leonard has a knee injury. Is
Philip Rivers being brought in because instead of high school coaching,
we want to see if he can coach Brett Rippon. No,
Philip Rivers is being brought in and would go on

(10:19):
the practice squad and then go on the active roster
to play for the Colts on Sunday and a Hail Mary.
And it is my belief that that hail Mary is
when you really look at it. There are two ways
to think of it. The first is the Colts are
looking at it and they are saying to themselves, you
know what, we got a chance. With two more wins
we can get in the playoffs. Two wins. We're two

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wins away from the playoffs. And once you get in
the playoffs, all bets are off.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Let's see what happens. Okay, Now I'm asking you Colts fans.
I'm asking you Colts fans. Do any of you believe
that if Philip Rivers sown and the Colts pull off,
Let's say they go to Let's say they lose to Seattle,
but they come back here on Monday night, and let's

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say they pull an upset and they beat San Francisco,
and then they turn around at home and they beat
Jacksonville and Jacksonville loses. Kind of hurts last night that
the Chargers won. But let's say that Houston wins the division.
But the Colts, because of those wins, find themselves into

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the wild Card with Philip Rivers as their starting quarterback.
Mooney Ward may not be around. He's back in concussion
protocol third time this year. You gotta wonder at that situation,
Sauce Gardener, when's he going to be back? Here's the
Pacer game last night? But when is he going to
be back? Where do they stand there? But if they

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get in the playoffs realistically, and I'd like to know,
you can text me at two three nine ten seventy.
You can tell me at five two three ninety two
eighty eight, which is my personal cell phone number. It one,
it it works. I realistically would like to know if
this team makes the playoffs with Philip Rivers at quarterback,

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do you think they can go to the super Bowl?
Do you realistically think they can go to the super Bowl?
Can the Indianapolis Colts with forty plus forty four? I
think it is year old? Yesterday was his birthday. I
think forty four year old Philip Rivers the grandfather? Can
he take them to the Promised Land and get to

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that last hurdle that he was not able to get?
And he's a fabulous fabulous, fabulous player over the course
of his career. Unquestionably, can he get to the super
Bowl with the Indianapolis Colts, Because there's only two reasons
that the Colts would make this move.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Two.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
The first is because they look at it and they say,
we got a chance here, and it's still within striking distance,
and we got to go for it. Okay, does Philip
Rivers give them? Maybe he gives them the best chance
of the available players out there. The other reason they

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do this would be if the general manager or the
head coach, either one looks at it and says, I'm
in a situation here where if I don't make the postseason,
I am seriously concerned about the stability and status of

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my job.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Why else would you make that move? This to me
is a hail Mary.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
And I'm not saying that it's not one of the
that it's not a decent option. But if it were
two weeks, three weeks, sure, but you're going to finish
the year with a guy that almost certainly you're gonna
have for at the very most, the very most, like
eight games, best case scenario, and for what unless it's

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because realistically you think you can win the Super Bowl.
The other would be, do you sign Philip Rivers because
you need a veteran player to tutor along and grow
a young player a Riley Leonard, a Sam Ellinger if

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he were to come back off of a practice squad,
or do you sign him and then bring him back
next year to tutor along a young player that you're
gonna draft. Except for this, they are so painted into
a corner. They are painted into a corner because they
have given not one, but two first round picks away.

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So when you look at realistically, realistically, if you want
to know the status of the Indianapolis Colts right now
in December of twenty twenty five, and it's not entirely
their fault. This is not me sitting here saying this
is due to incompetence or due to negligence per se
in some areas, yes, but per se, a lot of

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this is because of injury, and it's not their fault.
Injuries happen. You know that that's going to be. And
you can't sit here and say they got caught with
their pants down because at the beginning of the year,
they had themselves a starting quarterback in Daniel Jones, and
they had themselves a backup quarterback in Anthony Richardson, that
was one that you knew had some skill and flash

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about him. But who is your quarterback of the future,
Your quarterback of the future, Who knows? Because you've already
mortgaged your future because of your belief and the quarterback
that is now forcing you to go out and make
a phone call to a guy selling white walls in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
I mean, I'd like to answer your call here, but
I got a couple of kids. I got to talk
to you real quick about attention. I'll call you at
four point thirty. I mean, that's what it feels like,
right I believe strictly my opinion. It is my belief,

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and Steven Holder is going to join me at two
thirty today and we can talk about this. But it
is my belief that the Colts do not make this
move and do not feel a sense to push in
if they have total confidence that all of the brass
is back next year and gets another year to push

(16:47):
everything together again once they're healthy. I think they're pushing
all in right now. In their defense, and to their credit, they.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Are still within the play of making the postseason, but
that they can make a play in the postseason or
are you getting into the postseason because symbolically what it
represents to put that on your resume, because it's one
of the things that people have been pining about how
this franchise has been void in that area. And you

(17:15):
are getting ready for your final project to sit in
front of the teacher and you have to list out
everything that you did and all the things that merit
you being able to carry on next semester. To me,
that's why you make this move. And if you were
to put truths here, and I get it, Philip Rivers

(17:37):
probably does give them a better chance to win. Even
if Philip Rivers has been doing nothing but eating doritos
for four years, do you realize that he played last
in the twenty twenty season two twenty season. I saw
a and I'm not going to say any names because
I don't want to be that guy, right, but I

(17:58):
talked to yesterday a Colts player, and I know people
hate it when they're like, uh, put a name on it. Well,
you have an understanding sometimes when somebody's saying something. You know,
I talked to a Colts player yesterday that when I said, gosh,
you know and it wasn't a bad thing. We didn't
say this as a negative, but I was like, can
you believe it's been like five years since he played?

(18:19):
And we both looked at each other and then the
jinks you owe me a coke? We both said, man,
time flies. But I got news for you. Five years
to your body between the ages of thirty nine or
forty and forty four is a ton different than the
five years of your body between twenty three and twenty eight.
I mean, when those gears start slowing down, that rust

(18:43):
kicks in. I'm telling you now, Philip Rivers, I'm sure
is working out and doing things. He's coaching football, he's active.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
I get it. I get it.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
But that's a tall task for even somebody who is
a borderline Hall of Famer to expect me to about.
Do I need to tell anybody about Kerry Collins? You
remember that Peyton man. He's got the neck issue, You
know what, carry on, cal him down and carry on.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
K e r y.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
We got Kerry Collins, the guy from Tennessee, the guy
from New Orleans, the guy from Carolina. He's gonna come
in here. Kerry Collins, big body, big arm, former top
ten pick, knows how to play the game. That dude
went out there, threw two passes, counted every lights that
were up there in the ceiling above him, and then
went back to Tennessee and for five million dollars or

(19:29):
whatever it was, the Colts paid him, counted his money
while strumming his guitar and putting in a dip.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Because he couldn't play.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
And he was a fabulous player and seemingly a really
good guy, Kerry Collins, but he hadn't played in a while.
And I'm telling you that rust is tough to knock off.
I hope Philip Rivers comes in, and I hope Philip
Rivers shocks the world. I hope he stuns everybody. But
to me, it feels like a hail Mary. And I

(20:01):
try to be optimistic, and I try to be supportive,
and I get it, I get why they would throw
the hell married, but I just cannot in good faith
come on here to the listeners of this show and
sit here and tell you folks, and look you in
the eye right here on this camera if you're watching
on the YouTube channel, I cannot look you right in

(20:23):
the eyes on that camera and say that this feels
to me anything other than a hail Mary move of
we have no other option, not necessarily their fault, not
necessarily their fault, but they have no other option.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Now.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
It also illuminates without a doubt, what we knew or
assumed to be true a couple of years ago, when
all of a sudden, in the biggest overcorrect of all time,
it was guess what you're driving down Meridian Street, and
then the breaking news sounder comes on and the next

(21:00):
thing you know is breaking news out of Indianapolis. Matt
Ryan is now the third string quarterback and Sam Ellinger
will be the quarterback for the rest of the year.
What and you wondered, did the general manager make this move?

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Clearly not?

Speaker 1 (21:12):
You know how we know clearly not now because we
can retro actively put the pieces together and say, if
Chris Ballard was really under belief that Sam Ellinger deserved
a shot to be the starting quarterback, then it seems
like that would have been a very easy phone call
for him to make right now and bring him right
back and put him in the mix. But instead we're

(21:33):
calling up guys from ARP, come on down.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
It's where we are. I get it, I do get it.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
But it doesn't mean that I think that it's going
to be or work out for the reasons that you
would normally be sold. I think it's because Chris Ballard
in particular, no, and yes, he to his franchise, his owner,
his fan base, et cetera, to get into the playoffs
if it's within reach. I get it, But I don't

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know that they make that move if they have a
quarterback in the mix that they believe that they can
grow into somebody to see what's there. But here we are,
Steven hol are going to join me two thirty today.
We will go over exactly this. Pacers did play last night,
and I thought, actually, you know what first off speaking of,

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and this is what the PACER's got to hope for.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Maybe they were enticed, maybe they were.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Drawn in, Maybe they were bought hookline and sinker into
the narrative of the thought that a guy that seemingly
is at the very end of his career still has
something left within them. Because they watched Russell Westbrook go
for a triple double, Russell Westbrook hitting everything, rebounding all
over the place, hitting the triple double, and like Russell

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Westbrook's another one, I gotta be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
I gotta be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I get to the game last night and the first
thing I thought was, Okay, so I know SA Bonus
is out, but now, oh, that's right, Murray is still here.
And then you have that combination of twenty twenty five
guys like Zach Levine and DeMar DeRozan, and they kind
of seem like the same guy to me. And then
I'm like, oh, wait a minute, I forgot guess what
Russell Westbrook tuna. Surprise, there's Russell Westbrook playing for the

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Sacramento Kings. Okay, cool, hey, probably come out and play
twelve minutes a triple double. You get lightning in a
bottle sometimes when you're an old man. I know that, right.
Does Philip Rivers have it? We'll see now. As for
the injury to Daniel Jones, the timeline on the injury

(23:50):
of Daniel Jones, the timeline on the injury of Anthony Richardson,
and the concern of a compound of not one, not two,
but three concussion protocols for a player as we see
in Mooney Ward with those things. Ralph Freef, who joins
us to talk about injuries and always gives excellent perspective

(24:12):
is going to do exactly that. He will do so
on the other side than Scott Agnes coming up two
o'clock hour holder as well on a Tuesday, a dish
turn back the clock. It's a turn back that we're
living like it's two thousand.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
With no mask. But Philip Rivers might be back and
so will we and just a couple with Rofrey.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
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Speaker 1 (24:38):
Okay, I love this from Richard Richard and Mooresville Jake.
I set my alarm every weekday to hear your opening
monologue at twelve noon, and you never fail to entertain
me and make me laugh out loud at least once
today with such a joy to hear A way to go, Richard,
I appreciate it, and you have no idea how much
it makes us kindred spirits and brothers in the bond,

(25:00):
not because you might be a fight out like me,
but because of the fact that you set an alarm
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if it is a wake up alarm at noon, that
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Like when I did the morning show, I'd go home
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Join me now on the job of house Peel and
poor guest line. You hear him on this show, I
would say nearly weekly because there are always new injuries
to talk about. He is the foremost expert when it
comes to athletic training. Ralph Reef dot com r e
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(25:45):
places in which he's had an impact on that profession,
because that alone is impressive. But he joins us now
in the program, and Ralph, I want to begin with this.
I appreciate the time before we get into the Daniel
Jones injury. Riley Leonard, who is a player that trained
going into the draft with Philip Rivers amongst other quarterbacks

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who have done so. But Riley Leonard after his game
in Jacksonville with the Colts, now we know has a
Grade one pcl sprain. I have no idea what that means,
So that means roughly what and like how severe is
something like that?

Speaker 6 (26:26):
Yeah, well, good afternoon, Jake and Riley Leonards. So PCL
is the posterior cruciate ligament of the knee. There are
four substantial ligaments in the knee, the anterior cruciate ligament ACL,
we know, So the brother of that is the PCL,
and it does very little work compared to what the ACLAN.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
So that's the knee ligament. The Jake knee ligament is
the PCL ligament, right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
So Jake, you're pretty much not needed.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
A lot of the time, okay.

Speaker 6 (27:04):
And until such time that basically the knee might get
hyper extended and so the big leg or the big
bone on the bottom of the leg, the tibia slides
backwards a little bit and in the knee joint and
its sprains or stretches that PCL. And that lines up

(27:25):
with his what I read. You know, he finished the game,
he got on the plane, he went home, walked into
the complex Monday morning and said, hey, my knee hurts,
and so quite honestly, that's really good news that he's
got a Grade one sprain of the post chair cruisi ligament.
That can be managed. There's a lot of good ways

(27:48):
to manage that in a short period of time.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Okay, and so let me ask you this, Ralph, when
the average weekend warrior, and maybe there's no definitive answer
on this. I realize every situation is different. But for
the average person that just goes out and plays some
pickup ball with some buddies, or you know, does some pickleball,
whatever it might be, and they get they simply get

(28:12):
home and like, man, my knee was just last night,
I gotta be honest, my knee was kind of sore.
Is that typically would the PCL be the most likely
of the injuries that the average person would see.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
No, no, it's not, Jake. The PCL is, it's not
high on the list of ligament injuries in the knee.
The MCL, the medial collateral ligament, is the most commonly
injured ligament of the knee. That's where your knee sort
of buckles in to the inside. So there's a lot

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of things that support the back side of the knee.
The hamstring tendons come down and cross across the back
of the joint, and the calf muscles come up and
attach above the knee joints, so there's a lot of
brace back there naturally, so the PCL has a lot
of protection. So I assume he got You know, it's

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the NFL, right, so any hit is a big hit.
And so something occurred that jammed him either in the
lower leg or up in the quad the thigh area
that that forced that knee into it. Pretty excessive hyper extension.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
For the mcl I loved their baked telapia. Their big
telapia is fabulous. The cinnamon rolls at the end of
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Speaker 2 (29:34):
Ralph.

Speaker 6 (29:35):
For they had some fish. What was the almadine? The
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Speaker 2 (29:42):
Fantastic, right, I mean, no question.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Ralph Reef is my guest Java House Peel and poor
guest line, okay, Ralph. So the the Riley Leonard, I
know that one thing that I've learned in the discussions
that we've had is that when there are ligament injuries
or stress to a ligament, you always as a trainer
like to see twenty one days from day of impact.
For lack of a better phrase, would that be the

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case with Riley Leonard? With a Grade one PCL strain.
Is it still under that? Look, he's going to need
three weeks before we bring it back in and revisit
it mode or is that a shorter term injury?

Speaker 6 (30:18):
Well, they graded this as a grade one, which is
as mild as you can get on the grading scale.
So they did that via imaging MRI, etc. And so
you shorten the clock. So because it's minor, you're going
to have need less time for that to feel better.

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And really, from this standpoint, Jake, you're right, and I
appreciate you being a good student of the biology of
these things, but we're going to shorten that timeframe for
the PCL. Again, the hamstring, all that musculture on the
backside of the knee helps protect it and it can
sit there and sort of bathe in its own inflammation

(31:05):
and it'll heal pretty well with that. But again, tight clock,
and that PCL is going to heal up quicker than
the twenty one day plot that I usually put on them.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Okay, let's get to the injury to Daniel Jones. And again,
Ralph Reef is my guest, and I want to be clear,
you know, out of respect to Ralph, these are not
situations where you are the trainer on record for them.
So we're speaking in generalities here as opposed to this,
you know a specific nature on say Daniel Jones. But

(31:43):
when we know that Daniel Jones had the torn achilles
and it was in a leg opposite of where we
had previously talked about the fibula fracture, is it possible
or even probable that that tear came from a compensation
of the way he was moving because of the pain
from the other side.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
Your your intelligence starts today, So yes, that is very
much a compensation issue. First thought I had. I happened
to be up in Green Bay and folks up there
came out and said, Hey, Daniel Jones, I think he
just tore his achilles. And I was like, which leg

(32:27):
is it? And and they said it was his right leg,
And I said, he's been limping. He's been putting all
his weight on that right leg ever since the injury
to the fibula, and so predictable. No, but Ben, once
it happened to say, man, a high percentage of the

(32:48):
rationale of why has to go to the fact that
he was basically doing one leg at hops for this
entire injury period. You know, we may last week talking
about how painful that intererossius membrane is between the fibula
and the tibia, and I watched him on television with

(33:08):
some of his warm up stuff and that they had on,
and I could just see, you know, hips lifted a
little higher on that left side. He was really putting
a lot of pressure on the right leg and didn't
anticipate it. But I'm not shocked that that compensation caused
that incident to occur.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
That's sort of an injury, okay, And we're going to
speak again in generalities here, but a high level athlete
that is twenty eight years old and has the phibia
issue on the left side and now the achilles on
the right. The achilles is going to be the longer
term injury. If we are in December right now, the
a realistic time frame as to when Daniel Jones will

(33:52):
have complete range of movement and basically unimpeded movement getting
back onto the field would be what month.

Speaker 6 (33:59):
Well, don't compare it to Tyrese because of the difference
in sports R and so I would anticipate that between
now and camps in May. You know, that's six months
from now, he could very much be flat footed, no boot,

(34:19):
no restriction of flat footed movement, sort of getting up
on his toes and throwing the football. And so I
would anticipate seeing that as well that you know, come May,
I think people will be very excited and say, boy,
he looks great, he looks great, but there will be

(34:41):
an additional probably four months of time. So now we're
into ten months, which puts us into what October to
where sitting here in the cold of December and trying
to forecast this, I would say, ten months from now
you would have a very normal looking quarterback with both

(35:09):
legs available.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
So would he be able to go the full rigor
of workout, say in August, in September you're saying Ralph,
and then October is when he looks good or October's
when he can then finally begin to ramp that up.

Speaker 6 (35:22):
Yeah, in generalities, now, Jake, in generalities, I would see
that as he would be a be able to jog,
be able to be in controlled settings. So you know,
he might mirror a coach or an athletic trainer that
sort of mirrors his tells him to move left, move right,

(35:43):
move backwards, forwards, backpedal, so forth, in controlled environment where
you can ask questions after each movement, how do you feel,
what's that look like, what's your heart rate at? And
so yeah, he'll have a lot of good controlled activity
throughout the summer months, Ralph.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Before I let you go, I wanted to ask you this.
You know, I had somebody that told me once they
were in the in the Air Force, and their job
in the Air Force is they were a mechanic on
the Air Force, you know, in the Air Force, and
they worked on some of the carriers out in the
you know, at sea. And he said, man, I'll tell
you what.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
He goes.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
There was there was always such a cool thing when
the pilots would take off after we had done a
routine maintenance on the plane. They would kind of dip
the wings as they took off, kind of as a
salute and a tip of the cap to the guys
that had worked on the planes.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
And he goes.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
It was always such a gratifying feeling and it was
so cool and it made my work worth it. Do
you as a trainer feel that when you see an athlete?
And I know that that as a trainer, you know,
you get to know individuals, but at the same time,
you still have a job to do right, which is
just to to treat, to determine what's going on, and
then to advise on how to get a player healthy again.

(36:55):
Do you get that feeling of a gratifying feeling when
you see an athlete going out and running back out
on the field for the first time.

Speaker 6 (37:04):
You've captured it very well, Jake, And I'm I'm almost
emotional as you talk about that, because i can recall
so many times where you assist an athlete as an
athletic trainer and you've got them at their most vulnerable
time when they're you know, initially injured, and you work
with them through the time going back and they're the
ones who can fight in you. They cry on your shoulder,

(37:28):
they cuss at you, there's all of that process. But yeah,
when they when they get back to their craft at
full go, there's there's an unbelievable amount of of of
pride and and so forth. I'll give you a true
story from this weekend. I was in Green Bay with

(37:51):
the Packers. Chris Carr doctor Chris Carr sports psychologists. He's
worked with multiple organizations around the world, he's been with
the Packers the last six years full time, and their
quarterback Jordan Love made a comment in the media this
week that he says, you know, the game goes well
when I get in the flow, and that comes exactly

(38:15):
from doctor Chris Carr sitting with him and teaching him
about mental toolkits and how to manage the game. And
so I was with Chris and he shared that comment
with me and replayed the tape and Chris's eyes watered up.
I mean, yeah, we get pretty tied up in these

(38:35):
athletes and what they do. If it's a driver getting
behind a car, if it's a pit crew member, if
it's somebody coming back from any kind of injury or
mental health situation. It's very, very gratifying that that's what
fires the engine each day.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Ralph Ralph excuse me reef dot com r e i
F F Ralph reef dot com Executive Performance Solutions, and
you can read all about his incredible journey as a
trainer in the different work that he has done and
continues to do, which includes, uh, the biggest task of all,
and that is occasionally saying that I'm.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Intelligent on this radio program, which is very much appreciated.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Uh, even if only for a fleeting moment, and even
if it's only over the agreement of the fabulous food
at MCL Ralph appreciate the time as always and certainly
look forward to talking to you again.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
Okay, have a great day, Jake.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Ralphrief joining me on the program on the Joba House,
Peel and poor guest line, all right, we come back.
Sometimes there are situations where you can compound an injury
to make it even worse. I'm simply talking about from
a pr standpoint. I'll let you know what I'm talking
about next, Poor and.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
I'm following you beg River what it called Query and
Company on Nutty three five and one oh seven five
the Fan.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
By the way, Eddie Garrison out here today.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
This is and I I thought this was actually later
on and to not to get too into the weeds
from a legal standpoint, you know, I don't want to
put anything in jeopardy here, but but this is pretty cool.
So and Kurt Jeralds is doing a fabulous job pulling

(40:17):
all of the River's music right. You've already got I
mean you got twenty five songs cued up, right, we're
ready to go the rest of the show, I'm ask you, okay.
So here's the thing. If you're wondering where Eddie is today,
there was a situation. I don't want to, you know,
get too into like legal mumbo jumbo here, but I

(40:38):
think everyone knows by now that I did trademark the
phrase why not Indiana. I really did trademark it, and
it was not an easy thing to do. I mean,
it was kind of a long and yes I had
to pay I mean not a ton, but a long process.
And I'm not saying the name. And I truly do
enjoy the store, you know I have, but nonetheless, with

(41:02):
it trademarked I did. It was brought to my attention
that there's a place that is that is making money
off of my phrase that I trademarked, and so and
it's you know, I do have partnerships with the shop,
for example, like I have. That's why you don't hear
me like promoting that there's a conflict of interest there perhaps,
but I have a partnership with them. Somebody else was

(41:26):
selling the shirt that is in violation, so I had
to get on top of that. And you know, that's
where that is in that process when dealing with merchandising.
It came to my attention, and this is very cool.
There is a and it's not I'm trying to think

(41:48):
of what the one is. It's not new Era, and
I can't remember which one it is. But one of
the merchandising folk with which I work they let me
know that there is a hat manufacturer of Major League
Baseball hats okay, and they are doing currently undergoing a

(42:09):
contest for models of what they call the Big Cranium,
because you know, I mean, we live in a world
where most people are seven and a quarter seven and
three eights. Eddie is like an eight and five eight
size head. And so I said to Eddie, I go,
you should see if you can get like in on
this royalties gig as part of their Big Cranium. And
so they literally called and said, well, we need we're

(42:30):
doing tryouts for headshots okay, and white angle lens obviously,
but this is up in Laporte. So Eddie, they the
company here and I appreciate it. Gave him the day
off to drive up to Laporte as part of the
photo shoot, kind of like George Constanza when he became
a hand model. Eddie is apparently in the running now

(42:51):
for the Big Cranium, and he would be the big
cranium and they're going to use his head in imaging
and other such things because there's been kind of an
outc I don't know if it's called like the Big
Head Association or something like that, but there's this group
of people that feel like they're big abnormally large heads
are not getting focused enough in hat advertisements. So Eddie

(43:13):
is in the running to become the big Cranium. And
so he needed the day off to go up to
Laporte for this photo shoot and to see if that
if he could turn that and parlay that into a deal.
So he called you this morning and what like, he
was on his way up right.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, it was like eight forty five. He didn't say much.
He said, I'm going to Laporte on behalf of the BHA.
And that's what that means.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
That's the Big Head Association Association, that's what that says. Yeah,
so that he's anyway, we wish Eddie the best of luck.
We hope that he's back tomorrow and that we can
find out whether or not. Maybe I'll get a cut
out of that, I don't know. Okay, Nore Dame, I
understand it. I do get their frustration, and I do

(43:52):
get there. I'm totally and I think people misunderstand here
that that like I'm that I'm sitting here saying that
Notre Dame should not have gotten into the college football playoff.
I have said, and even the biggest Notre Dame fan
out there that thinks that I'm some Notre Dame hater
will have to admit I have said all season long,

(44:13):
since like Week three, that if they were to continue
to win, which they've done, that I think they're one
of the eight best teams in college football, not twelve eight.
I think they're one of the eight best teams. But
it comes down to the best resumes, and I think
yesterday Notre Dame might have doubled down and might have

(44:34):
done it.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
In air.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
I will explain what I'm talking about. And we have
tickets to give away for Motley Crue. Right, how many
sets do we have to give away for Motley Crue?
One one set of tickets to give away for Motley Crue,
and we're gonna do it in kind of a unique
fashion as well. I'll explain all of it. We'll do
it on the other side here, it's a quiring company.
You're listening to it ninety three five one to seven.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Five to the fan.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
You're listening to company on ninety three five and one
oh seven five the fan.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Okay, one o'clock hour underway, and I promise I'm going
to get into that Notre Dame observation. But before we
do that, if you could please Kurt the breaking news
sounder on this just in now from multiple sources, notably
ESPN and Stephen Holder, keep in mind joining me ninety

(45:25):
minutes from right now, on a very busy day, forty
four year old Philip Rivers is signing to the quarterback
needy Indianapolis Colts on the practice squad. Keep in mind,
on the practice squad, meaning that he could still be
activated for the quarterbacking situation on Sunday. Now, couple of

(45:46):
angles and ways of which to look at this. Okay,
Philip Rivers, and I'm going to go back to what
I said off the top of the show.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
And rehash this. Okay, the Colts, it's not.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
At the There are certain times when you look at
a team that is in disarray and you can say
it's at the fault of the team, it's at the
fault of the general manager, it's the fault of the coach,
it's at the fault.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Of the owner.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
We have seen all three of those situations repeatedly over
different variables within this franchise. Historically speaking, you could certainly
make the argument that in the early years when players
were getting released after the game and resigned on Wednesday
by the owner Bob Ursay, and Bob Bursay was calling
down plays from the press box, ownership disarray. You could

(46:41):
obviously then point towards multiple times where from a general
manager standpoint, they made the wrong decision or they got
too aggressive in the wrong ways, and that led to uncertainty.
With any franchise, that goes without saying that head coaches.
Sometimes you have great coaches, sometimes you got bad coaches.

(47:04):
Like any franchise, you have examples of each of those.
Historically speaking, within the Indianapolis Colts, that would be true
of any franchise. This particular situation, there's a little bit
of both.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
And let me explain.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
It is my belief that the Cults are in a
situation right now that is.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Literally like Shoe Carnival.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
I mean, there's just you go in and there's stuff
just flying all over the place. Here of ways that
you can look at this. You got Moody Ward, who
now is in concussion protocol for the third time this season,
and you worry about that. From an individual standpoint, you
have Sauce Gardner that you traded not one but two
first round picks for and he is now hurt. And
while he was in the pacer game last night, you know,

(47:53):
and they did not put him on IR So I
don't think, you know, his mobility is not that compromise.
I think he's going to be back, and he is
clearly an elite level player. You have the situation now though,
is this.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
The Cults at the beginning of the year.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I'm not going to tell you anything you don't probably
already know, but just to revisit it, they had Anthony Richardson,
who they had drafted as with hope and expectation of
that being your franchise quarterback. A unique player, a unicorn,
an athlete, totally tantalizing in all of the areas that

(48:35):
you wanted to see, except for the level of experience.
The thing holding him back it wasn't his arm. It
wasn't his size, it wasn't his strength, it wasn't his speed.
It was simply his experience and lack thereof. And also
if you were to ask the Colts, they basically said,

(48:55):
you know, all the things that take place inside the building,
all the behind in the scenes things, okay, is what
they were missing.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
From Anthony Richardson. What they wanted to see from Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
So they go out and they sign Daniel Jones almost
in hopes of just creating an atmosphere of competition and
also legitimacy of the room for Anthony Richardson. Let's go
out and get a quarterback that is going to push
our young guy a little bit so that things like

(49:31):
doing the helmet tap and taking himself out of the game.
I've always said, when you do sports talk radio, for example,
the thing that drives you to a great extent is
not just the desire to every day do a great show,
but also to know that there are a lot of
people that would love the opportunity as well, and so
you just you want to continue to do it, so

(49:52):
there's no reason to have to put somebody else in there. Right,
you're always looking over your back a little bit in
terms of that competition. And I think for Anthony Richardson
when they handed him the keys too early, he never
had that person behind him that was pushing him a
little bit. So they bring in Daniel Jones under the
thought of, let's do this to guide Anthony Richardson and

(50:14):
then maybe we'll kind of get the positive byproduct of
the fact that, oh, yeah, turns out this guy can play.
And that's what happened. So now you had the best
of both worlds. You had Daniel Jones who was in
here and had this symbiotic relationship with Shane Steiken and
was able to execute flawlessly what it was the Colts needed.

(50:35):
And he wasn't turning the ball over like had plugged
him in New York. And he was able to run
when he needed to run, which at times he didn't
do in New York because their line.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Was poorous, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
And they got out to a seven and one start
and everything was literally gum drops and lollipops, literally gum
drops and lollipops. You drove on West fifty sixth Street
and before you even got to Eagle Freak, there was
like this this shoe in the air and you're like,
what's that. They're like, Oh, that's the pot of gold
at the end of the rainbow. That's the Colts complace.

(51:08):
Because everything was rose, everything was perfect, and they're seven
to one, and then Anthony Richardson has the freak injury
and you feel terrible for him. Not Richardson's fault, not
the Colt's fault. Freak injury, freak accident. Certain guys you
can look at and say, man, for whatever reason, it's

(51:30):
like drama just surrounds them. Maybe, but nonetheless that's the
circumstance fault of no one. Daniel Jones suddenly has this
fracture in his fibula, wants to play through it, tries
to play through it, slides a little bit in terms

(51:51):
of his level of play, but not Daniel Jones's fault
and not the Colt's fault. Certain players have this like
aura of injury that surrounds them, but for whatever reason,
they play through it whatever, and then the Achilles happens.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Not his fault, not the Colts fault. So he turned
to Riley Leonard.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Riley Leonard, young guy going into the draft, seek the
consultation of a former quarterback that tutors and preps young
players for the draft. That guy Philip Rivers, and so
Riley Leonard has a relationship with them. There, Ryley Leonard

(52:33):
goes out plays, has the Grade one PCL sprain after
the Jacksonville game, which realistically I didn't think he looked terrible.
He is more of a mobile quarterback than a throwing quarterback,
and he has limitation through the air. But they believe
enough in him that he was on the roster and

(52:53):
they didn't feel the need to go out over the
course of the last ten weeks and bring somebody else
in to become your backup or emergency quarterback.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
And he goes in and plays and then gets hurt.
And now here we are.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
So what takes us to the fact that here in
the one o'clock hour, when I was supposed to be
talking about Riley Leonards's former team, Notre Dame, that we're
talking again about Philip Rivers because Philip Rivers is now
signed to the practice squad of the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
So what got us here? What got us here is
you go back five years ago.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
You go back five years ago to where Chris Pallard
as the general manager of the Colts was once again
trying to basically put together the world's largest band aid
at the quarterback spot, and they tried a couple of
different things. And yes, not the Colts' fault, Ander Luck
retired at the eleventh hour.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Not the fault to Chris Pallard.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Fine, but he's going out and instead of drafting a
young quarterback or getting a drafting a Justin Herbert or
whoever else you might have thought could have been a
player for them, that go out and they're band aiding
each year with a veteran quarterback. And in twenty twenty,

(54:08):
which was the most bizarre year in sport, it was
Philip Rivers. Now we didn't know Philip Rivers well. We
still don't know him well because of the fact that
when he was here as a cult and he played well,
had a good year, and I think Chris Ballard and
Frank Wright, the head coach at the time, thought to themselves,
you know what, it'd be great if we can get

(54:30):
two years out of this guy. Because we went to
the playoffs, we went to Buffalo, we got beat but
we really played well, and it was.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
A weird year.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
He didn't get to have like the total interaction with
the media and the fan base and represent the franchise
because it's all zoom calls and masks and COVID and
all that.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
It was weird.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Everything was weird, not at the faults of anybody circumstantial,
but it was weird. And so the Colts, I think,
really thought to themselves, if we can get a second
year out of Philip Rivers, that will be huge because
we can continue to try to figure out what we
want to do at quarterback. But this guy still has
some gas left in the tank. And as they tried

(55:09):
to talk to him about it and Philip Rivers, it
was clear was just kind of at the end of
his road. You know, maybe they could have called his
former quarterback coach in San Diego slash Los Angeles. Maybe
they could have called a guy that Philip Rivers had
a really good walking step relationship with, that he trusted,

(55:29):
that he worked well with. And if they'd have called
that guy his name and he wasn't with the organization,
but his name was Shane Steiken, and Shane Steiken had
coached with Rivers, coached four Rivers, i should say, with
the Chargers, and now here we are. So the Colts

(55:49):
find themselves in situation where they had signed Brett Rippon
as their emergency quarterback, Riley Leonard as their backup Anthony Richardson,
I don't think he's going to play this year. I
just don't think it's going to happen. Not his fault,
circumstantial freak accident, but with the orbital bone fracture. And

(56:12):
that hurts just to say it. To think of a
guy coming back after that, after having a surgery on
a bone in his eye and have to play a
full contact sport, one would think that it takes more
time than that. But you have Daniel Jones who now
has had surgery. He's theoretically going to be out of commission.

(56:39):
Anthony Richardson is a guy that you have on contract
for next year. You don't know if Daniel Jones can
play next year. You also don't know if he's even
going to be under contract here next year. And you
have Riley Leonard that maybe you saw enough in to
say there might be something here that this is a
guy that can eventually become a reliable, long term Jim
Sergeie type backup court for whoever our quarterback is. But

(57:02):
we don't have Daniel Jones here to tutor and mentor
Anthony Richardson anymore. I don't mean that we don't have me.
You know, he's not going through practices with him. We
don't have anybody as a veteran to mentor Riley Leonard
and work with him and take advantage of the few
things that we saw that we kind of liked. But

(57:24):
guess what, we have a guy that has an existing
relationship with Riley Leonard and a guy that perhaps at
the very least can simply give and lead by example
on what it takes. Like Daniel Jones' role was for
Anthony Richardson, who we have on contract for next year.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
And Anthony Richardson and maybe.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Now we realize Anthony Richardson we're gonna have to hand
the ball to for next year. So who can we
bring in that is going to mentor and serve these roles,
these duo roles and also if need be, play some
quarterback for us. That's scenario and reason one why Literally

(58:03):
Philip Rivers just left some high school that he was
working at. He probably was walking through the hallway and
some bike shorts and they came down with a pink
pass and they're like excuse me, mister Rivers. You have
a phone call in the office and he walks down
there and he picks it up. You know, hello, Now
can you imagine that conversation? Well, Dad Gumant, I can't
believe you're calling me. Look Philip, you know, and I

(58:24):
can't even do it, Chris Ballard. But you know that
scenario one that those are the reasons Philip Rivers is here.
It is my belief that the reason actually is this.
It is my belief that as I played up the
top of the show the Doug Flutie, Hellmary, do we

(58:46):
have the audio of the two plays?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Kurt the.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
I led the show with these two plays because they're
the two that most were dancing through my head, like
the gun drops and lollyps that have been dancing around
on West fifty sixth Street to the first eight games
of the year. And now we're in the spot where
I'm laying awake at night at three forty eight in
the morning, and I'm staring at the ceiling and I'm
seeing and hearing this going through my head all night.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
Totius Flush throws it down.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Caught by Boston College. I don't believe it. Let's a touchdown.
He's winning for it. What time, let's it come.

Speaker 7 (59:27):
He's got three people down the air, the ball's up
in the.

Speaker 8 (59:32):
Touchdown put by Westral touchdown.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
And I call it in some shirtcles to heyl Mary.
That is, indeed Keith Jackson what they call it.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
And that was the call when Cordell Stewart threw the
hail Mary to Michael Westbrook when Colorado went into the
Big House and beat Michigan in ninety four, and before that,
twenty years or ten years prior to that, Doug fluted
to Gerard Falen, the two most famous hail marys I
can remember of my time watching football, and this feels
to me realistically like a hail Mary. Yes, I just

(01:00:04):
laid out the business aspect of it, the foresight aspect
of it, the kumbaya aspect of why Philip Rivers is
back in Indianapolis. But I actually believe the more logical
conclusion to draw here, and I understand it, is that
this is a hail Mary. It's a hail mary for

(01:00:24):
a franchise that has lost four or five games and
three straight, but still with that because of to their
credit and kudos to them, because of the position they
put themselves in. Through eight games, they are still within
striking distance. They are still within a Hail Mary of
the playoffs. They're sitting right there looking at the clock
with at their own forty five with four seconds left,

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and they know they got to still got a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
There's a puncher's chance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Right when Julian Sayin got that ball with one play
left for Ohio State on Saturday at Lucas Oil Stadium,
you looked at it and you went, they ain't gonna
score here. They're too far back. He can't throw it
into the end zone from here. Yeah, they got locked down, received,
they got unbelievable receivers. But for whatever reason, Ryan daylike
forgot that they're on the field. But nonetheless they're not

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gonna score here. But when you're at the forty five,
you're like, I don't know, man, if you can get
it down there, Cordell Stewart, those are sixty two yards
in there. You got a chance. That's where they are.
And I believe that what we are seeing here is
a general manager, not necessarily the coach, although one would

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think they're attached at the hip, but a general manager
that knew going into this year that this was a
massive year, and I have no idea, and truth be told,
I don't know that anybody has any idea the working
relationship between Chris Ballard and Carl Ursa Gordon.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
It would be disingenuous for me and probably irresponsible to
me to even speculate on what that is, other than
to say, by all accounts, externally.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Seems good, seems good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
We have no reason to believe anything other than she
they have totally fair and competent and aware ownership. I
have no reason to believe otherwise. But only those two
people truly know going into the year what the expectation
was of what it would take for Chris Baaler to
be retained as the general manager of the Indianapolis Colts.

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And is it possible that he, even if it wasn't
outwardly said to him, believes the possibility that his job
would be in serious jeopardy if in fact they don't
make the playoffs. And so instead of looking at it
and saying, okay, so Riley Leonard is hurt. Sam Ellinger

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is a guy that is on a practice squad that
we could easily get, that knows the system and at
one time Apparently there was a enough promise seeing in
him that the owner of the Colts at the time said,
this is our guy moving forward and Matt Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Third stringer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
But instead of going that route, they go back to
the familiarity of Philip Rivers. That does anybody really think
that Philip Rivers gets them to the super Bowl? He
might get them to the playoffs, but does anybody really
think that Philip Rivers gets you to the super Bowl?

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Because in my opinion, the only reason that you signed
Philip Rivers at the age of forty four is one
of three things.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Either because number one, you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Need now the mentor role to come in and just
be a steadying force in your quarterback locker room. Possible,
not probable, possible that that's the reason. But does Philip
Rivers do that? Like I said, Philip Rivers, if you
called Philip Rivers to say, hey, he can use a

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player coach.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
I know you're coach in high school football, but.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
You want to come and actually do some babysitting for
an NFL franchise in a quarterback room with young guys.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
That is like Lou Brown in Major League.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Well, I got a guy in the other line about
some White Walls right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
So I don't think it's that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Is it because they realistically think he can get them
to the Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl. I
don't think it's that. I think Philip Rivers is here
because the Colts brass meaning Chris Ballard and Shane Steiken,
look at the remaining schedule Seattle, San Francisco, Jacksonville, Houston,

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and they look at it and they go, we need
two wins. Can we get two wins out of these four?
Can we get two wins out of these four? And
so they look at it and they say, Okay, Jacksonville
at home, Houston is at Houston, which is tough, but maybe,
just maybe Houston at that point will have had that.

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There'll be at a seed where there's nowhere for them
to go, and now that game, all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Is within reach. We need two wins. And this to
me jumps out like a hail Mary. It does.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
It feels like a hail Mary of we're at the
forty five yard line. It looked like a certainty that
we were at the very least going to be in
field goal range, but we need five points. We moved
the ball really well to this point. And we just
had two quarterback sacks and a run stuffed up the middle,
and the clock's running, and we got forty five seconds left,

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and we gotta throw a Hail Mary on our yar.
That's what it feels like. And I don't damn them
for it. I don't blame them for it. I understand it.
But I just will go back to this point. And
I'm not saying it's the right one. I'm not saying
it's even a founded one. It's simply a gut feeling.

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And believe you me, at fifty three, the gut feeling
is bigger than it was at twenty five. Okay, it
is my gut feeling that this move only happens. It
only happens if it's a franchise that knows that they've

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got to do something at the very end here, If
they legitimately thought that Riley Leonard, for example, was a
guy that they could build around for the future, and
I know he's dinged up. The only reason you go
and get Philip Rivers is if you are throwing a
desperation here because you realistically feel that you can get

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into the postseason and that that benchmark is what you
need to get to that's the goal. If we can
just get to that point, then we'll see what happens.
Because if there was, in my opinion, if there was
confidence in the leadership and the stability of leadership moving forward,

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then you would be able to say, look, we had
a really good year and a really good team, and
I know that we owe it to our fans and
everybody else to put our best foot forward. But realistically speaking,
we're going to go out and sign say Ellinger for
a game off the practice squad until Riley Leonard is
ready to go again. And then he's a young quarterback

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that we saw a flash in and we'll see what
we have from there and let the year pan out,
and the next year we'll re sign Daniel Jones for
a year or tag him and bring him back with
Anthony Richardson and try it all over again. Because we're
really happy with the foundation that we had, because there's
no reason to believe they were.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
They shouldn't be anything other than happy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
With When this group was healthy and this group was
all together, there were some pieces there, and they made
the move for Sauce Gardner clearly believing that they were
all in. So if Sauce Gardner. If you make that
move because you don't have any quarterback in the future
because you've d you sent away your two first round picks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
So the only way you make this move is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
If you knew there was some sort of a benchmark
you were that close to, and that alone, then advise
you another year, because if you felt totally confident and
comfortable that you were back next year, then you would say,
you know what, let's ride this out, Let's do what
we can, and we'll bring everybody back healthy next year
and see where the chips fall. This to me is
a hail mary, and I think league wide it's seen

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as a hail mary, and it may work. It may work,
it may but if it does, it'll be talked about
in the form of the Doug Flutie pass, because yes,
that worked to Gerard Falen, but nine times out of
ten that ball is like Aaron Bailey and Pittsburgh and
it bounces and hits the ground. But I want to
know your folks thoughts on it. Scott Agnes. In thirty

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an hour from now holder, we're going to table a
Notre Dame talk for this because it's big. Philip Rivers
is now back once again as an Indianapolis Colt, at
least for now in the practice squad.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Two nine ten seventy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
You love it, you are skeptical of it, or you're
in mockery of it. Two three nine ten seventy. The
telephone number for you to sound off. Philip Rivers back
with Indianapolis.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
You're listening to Query and Company on ninety three five
and one oh seven five.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Okay, a couple of house cleaning notes here. Number one
Philip Rivers for right now is on the practice squad.
He is a twenty twenty six NFL Hall of Fame semifinalists.
I believe is where it stands right now. But Hall
of Fame eligibility is of course dictated upon I believe

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it's five years removed from the paperwork official for retirement.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
If Philip Rivers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Is to play a game or sign to the active
roster of the Indianapolis Colts, then that clock resets and
it would be twenty thirty one the class before he.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Is eligible again, assuming this is the only year that
he plays.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
That is house cleaning item number one, because several people
have asked number two. Maybe it just so happens that
Philip Rivers is like, you know what, I'm swept up
and captivated in the best story in college football. And
my coach, my quarterback coach back from my days as

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a wolf Pack member of North Carolina State, is now
in Bloomington, Indiana, and I want to go hang out
with Kurt Signetti.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Maybe that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Maybe it's that he said, you know what, I have
a mentor type relationship big brother, little brother with Riley
Leonard among other quarterbacks like Drake May that I have
tutored and worked with heading into the draft, and I
want to go help him further in his time in Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
That's possible.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
It's possible that Chris Ballard looked at it and said,
you know what, Daniel Jones was a really good, consistent,
veteran driving force for us, and now he has bigger
things to worry about, like his surgery, and so we
need another veteran in here to mentor our young guys,
both Riley Leonard and Anthony Richardson. And maybe it's simply

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that Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen are looking at it saying,
we've got to try to salvage the season. We got
to make the playoffs where we are close to it.
We've got to salvage the season somehow. That's also possible.
But I'd like to know what you folks think at
two thor nine, ten seventy and your overall thoughts on this.

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Philip Rivers now back with the Colts. We will begin
with John, who joins us on the show. Hi John,
how are you hey?

Speaker 9 (01:11:48):
Jake overall feelings. First of all, this is objectively hilarious.
Second of all, it's objectively awesome. Let me paint a
picture for you.

Speaker 10 (01:11:57):
Sunday night, I'm devastated.

Speaker 9 (01:11:59):
I'm listening to this that you know, the sad girl
music that girls in high school listened to these days
after a breakoup.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
The cure on all night.

Speaker 9 (01:12:08):
Well, I mean you might not know Phoebee Bridgers, Gracie.

Speaker 10 (01:12:14):
Let's see, Lizzie McAlpine.

Speaker 9 (01:12:15):
Like, I was just devastated thinking back to weeks one
and eight and how we were so back as a
franchise and then all of a sudden, poof, it's gone,
and then hearing the Rivers rumors yesterday, and then now
it's a reality, and all of a sudden, I'm back
in I'm back on the ship, sitting atop Uncle Phil's

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shoulders to ride us into these next four weeks.

Speaker 10 (01:12:42):
Who knows what the hell is going.

Speaker 9 (01:12:44):
To happen, but at the very least it's gonna be
cinema to watch. I mean, he's going up against this
terrific defense in Seattle. It's probably gonna rain in Seattle
even worse than it did in Jacksonville.

Speaker 10 (01:12:56):
And he's gonna play.

Speaker 9 (01:12:57):
Riley's not ready, He's gonna step in and you know,
second play of the game is going to go forty
yards to pit. I think he's the one who threw Yeah,
he threw Pitt's first touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Correct.

Speaker 9 (01:13:09):
Anyways, it's just been an insane forty eight hours.

Speaker 10 (01:13:13):
The real reason this happened, there are zero options out there.
There's a guy who grew up.

Speaker 9 (01:13:18):
In this uh in this offense to some degree because
of shanean in the coaching tree that he was a
part of. And you know who cares that the at
this point, everyone's talking about it in this shock and
his colt sands this is what we expect at this point.

Speaker 10 (01:13:34):
What the hell, man, Let's enjoy it. Try to get
in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
John, I'm there for it. I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Let's enjoy it. I like it, Tony, Yes, do you
find this to be great?

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Or what's your thought?

Speaker 8 (01:13:49):
What I did?

Speaker 11 (01:13:49):
I wonder if it was Bellwards I did.

Speaker 8 (01:13:51):
I think it's great. I think the best we've done
since Let's left was when Rivers was here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
The only thing I don't disagree with any of that, right, right,
the only thing there is it was five years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
That's my arly hesitating.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
And you know what, Like I saw a Colts player
last night and I said, hey, man, how about Philip
Rivers coming back? And then I said, but it's been
like five years, right, And we both looked each other,
like man, time flies. And I say that not in
in pessimism, but in reality, right, I mean in the
terms of the human body, waiting five years before you
come back, that's going to be And I get it.

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I mean, Rivers is probably in a physical condition even
at forty four than most people are at twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
I totally get that. Bruce. Yeah, you're up, Bruce, what's up?

Speaker 8 (01:14:41):
Well?

Speaker 12 (01:14:41):
You know, I mean whenever I watched this game last week,
and you know, it goes from boom and going right.
So now all of a sudden you hear these report
Chester he's coming in for a workout, and I mean,
Philip Rivers is my it's not going to imagine it
be like for me you're coming back to that's a
different story.

Speaker 13 (01:14:55):
I mean, whatever you look at.

Speaker 12 (01:15:00):
I'm trying to make sense of this because I know
Philip with what stycking in San Diego.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Right, correct, That's correct?

Speaker 12 (01:15:08):
Okay, Yeah, So I mean and the psyching has to
trust in him, and he knows Shane system, so that
is a plus. And then the fact that he's worked
with Riley the way he has it makes you wonder
if maybe they're going to be like, Okay, give him
a headset and say talk to Riley talking through this,
because you got to wonder how much that Riley's actually

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worked with. I mean, he hasn't worked with the ones
at all until this week, and now he's hurt, so
he's not even gonna get the chance to do that.

Speaker 8 (01:15:34):
So I mean, I don't.

Speaker 12 (01:15:36):
Have any doubt that Philip can go out there and
probably play.

Speaker 8 (01:15:39):
When he's been working.

Speaker 12 (01:15:40):
With his high school you know team down here to
Alabama or whatever for the last five years. If he's
been running with those boys, he's probably still a little
bit of shape. He can probably throw the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
It's Bruce. I like Bruce. I don't and I appreciate
the call.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
I don't rule out what you said there, Bruce said,
the possibility of you know, maybe this is about Riley
Leonard and the tutorial thereof. I mean that you cannot
rule that out. That is entirely possible. Randy is up
next seventy? What's up, Randy?

Speaker 6 (01:16:15):
Ah?

Speaker 10 (01:16:15):
Well, I really don't care about the coach. I have
this Patriots Nation.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
No hold on, hold on, Randy, I'm gonna bump you
up a little bit here, ease. I have problems hearing
your I need you to talk a little louder. Did
you say you don't care about the Golds much? This
is Patriots Nation? Is that what you said? Randy's gone?

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
All right? Who's next? Todd? What's up? Todd?

Speaker 14 (01:16:44):
Hey?

Speaker 13 (01:16:44):
What's happening to Jake? Are you there?

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Todd? I'm here? Hey? This is what's happening? Todd? Is
it not? Listen? Listen?

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Hold on, We're gonna start this all over again. That
was the lamest what's happening of all time. You are
mister Colt's optimism, typically your mister energy, and you sounded
totally deflated and defeated their following up nomb nuts Randy, So, Todd,
I'm gonna give you another opportunity. We're just gonna reset here.
We're gona take a three second pause. A line five
is Todd, Todd, how are you?

Speaker 6 (01:17:17):
Hey?

Speaker 13 (01:17:17):
What's happening in Jake? How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
That's more luck kicked? All right, Todd? What do you think?

Speaker 13 (01:17:23):
Okay, hey, look what I think. I think you gotta
take your hat off to what. I gotta believe this
is Chris Ballard and you got to take your head
off to Chris Ballad of what Saint psychin are trying
to do. I thought you summed up like an analysis,
call it on what could potentially be the minds of
our executives to try to make some sort of run.

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I think are spot on about getting two out of
the four of these games. And quite frankly, it seems
like these quarterbacks are just superhumans in their forties. And
I'm look, I'm all in on this. Philip Rivers saying
he played good for us. Let's let's let's take into
consideration that he's kept himself in pretty good shape, that
he's a good football mind, and that he can go

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right into West fifty sixth Street and turn it right
back up.

Speaker 6 (01:18:10):
Jake.

Speaker 13 (01:18:11):
I don't know about you, man, but I feel good
about it. This This season could not have went better,
especially the first half, and then Boom just talked about
the injury bug thrown at the team.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
I don't.

Speaker 13 (01:18:24):
I don't pay attention to a lot of other teams
other than the Colts, but I can't imagine based off.

Speaker 6 (01:18:28):
What the.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Colts have four remaining games, Todd, what what would the
record be amongst those four games.

Speaker 13 (01:18:37):
Well, let me say one more thing. I don't we're
not talking about the defense enough, Jake. Okay, in our defense,
if we put look, if we play our best game defensively,
I don't think there's a way that anybody can stop us.
If we can hold him to a low amount of
points and we can put a few and we can
put a couple of touchdowns on the board, I don't
see how we don't win every game, Sant.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
You're quiet, okay, all right? Fair enough?

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
So, So even with Moody Ward out and Sauce Gardner
still out and Buckner not yet back to full strength,
then you're good with the defense, though, right.

Speaker 13 (01:19:11):
I think the next up. I think the next man
up mentality still can continued in the Colts locker room.
And if there's any Colts defensive players listening right now,
or anybody Indianapolis called Wizard, which I'm sure they are,
Indianapolis is behind these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Okay, we're gonna get fair enough thirty six against Jacksonville,
but I hear you might have to shore up a
few things there, Todd, All right, we'll continue with the
phone calls. Two thro nine ten seventy is the number.
Scott Agnes, by the way, joining us eighteen minutes from now.

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
You're listening to query a company one seven five.

Speaker 8 (01:19:51):
Run full?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
So which is it?

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Is it savvy? Is it desperate? Is it strategic? Philip
Rivers is signed to the Colts practice squad. But one
would assume that when you are forty four years old
and you are a semi finalist for the Hall of Fame,

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five years removed from the last pass you threw in
the NFL, which was for the Indianapolis Colts in a
year where he did play, well, do you come back?

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Do you sacrifice.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Being around your kids for a couple of months to
come back and be on a practice squad, pick up
your check for a couple grand each week, sit in
film rooms to tutor Riley Leonard Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Or are you coming back because.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Dad Gummett, you're gonna get out on the field and
wing the ball around and try to lift this team
into the playoffs. And if you are the front office
of the Colts, are you signing said quarterback because you
believe that he is a solid citizen that is needed
in your locker room? Or are you doing it because
Dad Gummett, you need to get in the playoffs if

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you want to be back next year. Those are the questions.
With those of the answers, we go to the phone lines.
JD joining us. Now, Hey, guys, how we're doing a
great voice?

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Have I told you that before? I think you may
have said that when I called in about Dan Weldon. Yeah,
you got you got a great voice.

Speaker 8 (01:21:30):
Appreciate it, Appreciate it. You know.

Speaker 11 (01:21:33):
My whole thing is Phil Rivers was solid when he
was with the Colts, and I've.

Speaker 8 (01:21:39):
Always been a fan of his.

Speaker 11 (01:21:41):
I thought he did is real good when he was
here the last time, and I was kind of surprised
that the Coast didn't give him an extended contract when
he retired. I think he is somebody who can come
in and do what needs to be done. If just
getting in the playoffs is what the the goal is,
he can do that for us. Now I was talking.

Speaker 8 (01:22:03):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Let me let me call you off there and ask
you this question, JD, because I think you make a
very interesting point. Number one, I think the Colts would
have loved to have signed him to a second year
last go round, but they couldn't convince him to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
But number two, when you mentioned that, and I think
you made a very interesting point here, JD, still stick
with me when you said, I think he can get
them to the playoffs if that is the goal. Do
you believe that if he gets them into the playoffs,
that the Colts are a viable Super Bowl contender? No, okay,
and I don't, and I agree with you. So that

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raises then the question of if in fact, getting to
the playoffs is the end goal goal here, why would
that be unless I believe, unless you have a front
office that believes that that is what is necessary for
them to pass go collect two hundred dollars and get

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to go in the next year.

Speaker 11 (01:23:01):
I believe being this incentive base that the front office
needed to get this team to the playoffs. By hook
or crook, we are in a desperate situation, desperate times
to bring forth desperate measures. So if we get to
the playoffs, which is pretty much just making it probably
through the first round, and that's it. Hey, they achieved

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what they wanted to do, which is more than what
it was looking what it was looking like as of
last week. So I think that's what the ultimate goal is.
Let's just get to the playoffs and we'll work on
what we're going to do next year. I've never seen
anything look so blakd. This city was up on high
horses at the beginning of the season. Because I'll be

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honest with you, prior to this season, I was talking
to my buddy coach, and I kept saying, I say,
the coach can win eight games eight.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Games, and we've achieved that.

Speaker 11 (01:23:58):
But now we have had bad luck spring up on us,
and now it is just basically trying to save face.
And I think this whole I think this whole thing
is trying to trying to help the fans get over
what is a miserable situation that really no one had
control over de'sine I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
I would tend to agree. Look, and I appreciate the
call of j D. I agree that there are circumstances
that have come their way that are beyond their control.
But the desperation at quarterback situation is within their control
because it was they who's sent. And I know I
keep banging on this, but not one but two first

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round picks, two of them. So it's you keep forgetting that.
You say to yourself, like, well, you know, the quarterback
situation is kind of bleak right now, and who knows
what happens with Jones, but you know they'll have to
draft a quarterback or reset that table. You know, you
talk about Philip Rivers, if he plays in the game,
will reset his Hall.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Of Fame eligibility back five years.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
And realistically speaking, this potential at quarterback sets them back
five years depending on what happens here. Right, But there's
no sense in the other thing that you have to
keep in mind once you thought, if they thought the
year had gotten away from them, there's kind of no

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point in just writing that out to see where you
fall draft fis because you got no first round pick.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Mike, what's up?

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
I'm gonna suggest a blockbuster trade.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
Okay, all right now, Mike, Now just so you know,
I'm gonna when you and I appreciate the suggestion of
blockbuster trades, right, but we know sometimes blockbuster trades are
fantasy and not reality. Okay, So are you admitting that
this is fantasy versus reality or do you think this
is realistically one that could take place?

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
This is this is one that they have to do
to get out of the box.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Okay, all right, Davey.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
They need to pay two and one for a first
round draft pick to get out of the bus, to
need a quarterback.

Speaker 11 (01:26:07):
So you do what needs to be done.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
You make a blockbuster trade that found your problem. If
it goes right now, you don't have to wait two years,
three years, you get the first round draft pick. Next
year you get a quarterback that passed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
What do you think, Jake, Mike, how old a fella
are you?

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
I'm ninety four years old?

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
To ninety four years old?

Speaker 13 (01:26:31):
Yes i am.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Well when's your ninety fifth birthday? March March?

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
What March the tenth, March to tenth. I'll tell you what, Mike,
I'm going to make an offer to you.

Speaker 6 (01:26:41):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
You ready now, it's not going to be on your
birthday because I assume you've got friends and family far
more important in the grand scheme than I. But I
had a really good buddy, really good buddy about four
years ago, okay, and he was eighty nine years old,
and he sits me down and he says, Jake, I
got an important question for you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
And I said okay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
And he said it's a really important matter, kind of
like your trade here, Mike, right, And I said okay.
And he said, I had a pack with my buddies
that when we turned ninety, we'd all go to Saint
Almo's Steakhouse and have steak dinner to celebrate ninetieth birthday.
And unfortunately he was he you know, he got last
in them, right, And he said, so on my birthday,
will you take me to Saint Elmo's Steakhouse from my
ninetieth birthday? I said it'd be my honor. And we

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had an unbelievably great dinner at Saint Elmo's Steakhouse. So, Mike,
here's the deal. In March, I want to take you
to the restaurant of your choice, and I just want
to have lunch with you or dinner with you to
celebrate your ninety fifth birthday.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
Hey, Jake, I'm going to trade something else. I played
for Tony Ankle years ago, and he only had one
on one factor the insterst It was turnovers. That's the
only start that Tony Nkle kept. We called them now
for turnovers now, but the day answered the game when

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he went down on the board own head after.

Speaker 10 (01:28:00):
Name was hers.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Now, Mike, which sport did you play? Because Tony talked
three of them.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
Cost three of them basketball and nineteen thank you, fifty one,
fifty two and fifty three in fack. I was on
the ohe who's your team? When Indiana played Producer murdered Ames.
That was back in nineteen fifty three.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Now, Mike, hang on, I'm going to put you on
hold on. You didn't you didn't take up my offer here.
I wanted to you know what, We're not even to
wait till March. I want to take you out to
lunch or dinner, just to sit and hear your stories
about Tony Hinkle and all of the things that you learned.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
About the game of basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
I could give you some stories.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Well, I'll tell you what you know. My knees shake anyway. Mike,
I do three hours on the radio, and I fear
public speaking. But I'm going to put you on hold
right now. And Kurt's responsibility here is to get your
phone number because you and I are going to go
solve the world's problems.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Because I love it. I would rather Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
I appreciate that you listen to the show. I would
have listen to you for three hours. Literally would have
listened to you for three hours. So Mike, hang on.
Kurt will get your information Michael real quick before we
take a break, and Scott Agnes in just a couple
of minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Michael, what's up.

Speaker 10 (01:29:12):
Thanks for having me on, Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Your thoughts.

Speaker 8 (01:29:18):
I can't I.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Can't stand it for multiple reasons. I mean, I would
rather roll the dice Ky Warren.

Speaker 5 (01:29:24):
Quite frankly at quarterback.

Speaker 15 (01:29:25):
I mean I have three three big issues besides the
age is one, we're having issues up front with the
offensive line.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
The guy can't move right. Strike one. Strike two, we
lose the RPO.

Speaker 5 (01:29:36):
Option that's been so successful earlier with Jat.

Speaker 15 (01:29:39):
And then the third one, even in his prime, the
one big knock on on Philip Rivers was he couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Throw the ball downfield.

Speaker 15 (01:29:46):
So we're the fact that we're losing Alec Pearce now
because that's his big thrip. So I don't know if
the plan is maybe we get lucky and DFO gets
back and Sauce gets back, and maybe they hope he
only can you know, we can win a couple sixteen
to ten seventeen fourteen games.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
But I would rather roll the dice with Ty Warren.
I just I don't like it.

Speaker 15 (01:30:07):
But the optimistic side of me, maybe it works out
and we can see him rolling the playoffs, right, that's
all you can ask for. And maybe he comes back
for the first four or five six games of next
year and holds the four down. You know, from what
I've been reading, best case scenario is Danny Dimes is
gonna have to start out on the pup list.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
I think that's right. I think that's right. If you
heard rap Michael, I appreciate it. Ralphrie saying earlier that
he thinks that, you know, in terms of Jones, that
by say, like the nine month mark, he said he
thinks that he could be moving around by May and
then by September get out there. But you're starting to
go up against the regular season. By the way, Mike,
in terms of Butler Hinkle, Mike, I don't think that

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trade proposal was ludicrous, Mike. I was ready to sit
there and say a blockbuster trade insane. Jonathan Taylor is
a great player and Tyler Warren is the one that
I would hate to lose. But I think if they
if they think and only they know at the quarterback
spot with Richardson and Jones what they have in house,
but if they think they've got to go that route,

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then you're setting yourself back three years anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
And Jonathan Taylor at that point, the timelines don't line up.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
They dealt Marshall Fulk for two and a five when
Peyton Manning was coming in, and that seemed ludicrous at
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
I don't think that that was a ludicrous idea, Mike,
and I like you thinking outside the box.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
So Tony Hankle does not score Mike, you with an
error in that call.

Speaker 7 (01:31:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
We will continue the conversation. Scott Agnes recap on what
happened last night?

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
Next you listening to Query and Company on Letty three seven.

Speaker 6 (01:31:50):
The fan.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Interesting point made on the ex post twitter from jj
WY when he was going over a production meeting, he
said he learned that Philip Rivers and the high school
football team that Philip Rivers coaches runs the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Same offensive scheme.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
As that of the Indianapolis Colts and routinely would talk
to Shane Steiken about the scheme itself. So that sounds
to me like a plug and play guy, even though
he is starting out on the practice squad. And yes,
if you were just joining us, if he in fact
does suit up on Sunday against a tenacious Seattle defense,

(01:32:38):
then that will reset the clock for his Hall of
Fame eligibility back to five years now. Mark Dighton, you
hear in the Morning Show, had a really good point
that said the Colts should force the NFL now to
break protocol to flex the Colts Seahawks game into the
Sunday night game so that that way Philip Rivers can

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get a longer daytime nap.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
Excellent point.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Also, several have pointed out that it appears as though
Butler Hinkle Mike did not want to have lunch with me.
Kind of seemed that way, didn't it. When I was like, Mike,
I wanted to have lunch with you and he didn't
seem overly enthusiastic. I can't say I blame him right
for not jumping at the opportunity last night at the
field House, Russell Westbrook, you better hope you Colts fans,

(01:33:28):
you better hope that Russell Westbrook leaves behind whatever it
was that he put in his water for Philip Rivers,
because last night it was Vinage. Russell Westbrook, you had
a triple double. But the Pacers did get the win,
and they're starting to get contribution from guys that you
didn't even know who they were three months ago. Joining
us now on the Java House Peel and Port guest
line from Fieldhouse Files Scott Agnes to talk about the Pacers. Scott,

(01:33:52):
I don't know if you heard, and maybe I've already
introduced it to you once or thrice, but have you
heard the new quaryism that I came up with empty
calorie these.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Guys, have you heard this one yet? I don't think
I have yet.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Okay, So as you know, and these I did not
trademark because I've got enough trademark.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Battles blowing right now with my legal I love it.
Good for you, But twenty twenty five guy, you know
that we've gone over that a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
That is a guy that is destined to score twenty
a game on a twenty five win team for the
majority of his career.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Another term that I have come up with is now
an empty calories guy, and that is a guy that
if you think about the post brawl Pacers, some of
the players that they acquired through different means that came
in and you thought to yourself like, oh, you know,
this is somebody they might be able to get some
some good minutes out of her, or some future with

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ikedagu comes to mind. Okay, then you realize that they're
just empty calories. It's like when you're hungry and you
go and you grab a bag of chips. You're not
getting anything nutritional out of that that's going to help
you long run. You just needed something in the short
spurt to fill you up. The Pacers right now have
some guys on their roster that could be empty calorie guys.
You think to yourself like, oh wow, But then we

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are going to retroactively look back and realize they were
just guys that were there because they needed someone to
log minutes and play out the roster. Does this team
right now, have any of those true guys or is
Rick Carlisle starting to turn them into form a little
bit into a team that suddenly is somewhat competitive and
has a pulse.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Yeah, I think mainly, Jake. What they have done is
make do with role players, and they're asking role players
to take on much.

Speaker 7 (01:35:34):
Larger roles like I don't think Ethan Thompson, for example,
is one of your empty calorie guys. He's a guy
that hadn't got that opportunity but now has and in
a week has gone from two way contract to has
never played before, to not just in the starting lineup
last night, but finish the game, which is obviously way
more important and was impactful in those minutes. Same thing

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with Garrison Matthews.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
He knows his role.

Speaker 7 (01:35:58):
It's to knock down shots and provide depth at that
guard position. And I thought last night was the epitome
of what this team needs in the short term until
they get more guys back, and that's from Siaka, Matheren
and Nimhard to play big minutes and then everybody else
fills the spot and helps along the way. Last night
was a game against a good team that that big

(01:36:19):
run in the third quarter would have cost you, but
they were able to make it up against a bad
team in that fourth quarter and finished strong.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Okay, I want to touch on two guys and for
those that are not familiar with or have not watched
the Pacers a lot lately.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
Ethan Thompson's a young guy. I think.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
I think Oregon State am I right in that? Yes,
I thought last night he got to start and late
in the game. There were three plays Scott in the
fourth quarter of that game inside of five minutes, left
three almost three consecutive trips where he either worked his

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way in for a defensive rebound or kept loose balls
live just strictly with hustle plays. And I mean it
jumped out a little bit, and it kept them on
a couple of possessions. It kept Indiana Sacramento looked like
they were gonna be able to get a put back,
and then boom, Ethan Thompson comes in kind of out
of nowhere and is able to stay kind of a

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king's moment, if you will. Now, is that simply a
young guy that is doing what he can to stay
on the floor, or is that part of his game
that is exactly the reason that he's there.

Speaker 7 (01:37:29):
I would say it's a little bit of both. The
main reason they brought him in is because he's a
guard who can shoot it. But I think he's a
perfect example. And this is what you got to stress
to so many of these college kids and guys that
were always the star right middle school, high school, maybe
once they get into college. In the pros, it's the
one percent, and so be TJ.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
McConnell. Star in whatever you can.

Speaker 7 (01:37:52):
And so while we know Ethan Thompson and Garrison Matthews
can knock down threes, that's why they were brought in.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
In large part, Thompson's been.

Speaker 7 (01:38:00):
On quite a scoring run in the G League and
was with them in Summer League a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
See he's been on the Pacers radar for quite a while.

Speaker 7 (01:38:08):
But more than that, I just applaud Thompson Jake for
all right, this is a time offensively where you're looking
for the big three with Matherin, Siakaman Nemhart. So go
go find a way to be useful. And this team
had one offensive rebound in the first half. They had
seven in the fourth quarter, and he had three of them.
And I think that's the way you continue to earn

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this two way contract.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
You know, Matthews is a guy that when I watch.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
And I'm simply going off tea leaves here, right, I'm
watching just kind of reading what is being said or
listening when Carlisle is on with you know, our guys
on the fan morning show, listening to what is said
and then watching rotation.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
It seems to me, even though he did not shoot
the ball well.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
Initially when coming to Indiana, that Rick Carlyle really likes
Garrison Matthews and likes having him in rotation.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Your thoughts, Yeah, That's what it seems as well.

Speaker 7 (01:39:03):
That's been the impression I've gotten as well, because after
that first stin it was not impressive. I think he
was like three for seventeen with nine points, and then
they signed I didn't think they'd probably signed him to
a second ten day contract. They did, and he's rewarded them.
I think he had like ten first half points in
his first game on that second ten day contract. And
by the way, I should clarify here for the audience.

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So we'll have a decision to make on him. Because
players can only sign up to two ten day contracts
per team per season and so he's obviously on the
second one. There they are getting some positive injury updates
in the short term and long term, but right now, yeah,
I've gotten that impressed in. And I think the other
thing is we got to take into account is Garrison

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was just thrown into this right no training camp, like
maybe one practice, and for how much this Pacers team
wants to play, and so much of them can rely
on the familiarity and continuity, but not the couple of
players that they continue to bring in. And so I
think he really took about those ten days to settle
in and now has a much better understanding of what
is to be being demanded of him.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Is Jay Hubb settling in? I think so.

Speaker 7 (01:40:11):
I think we've seen that over the last couple of weeks.
I still believe he's a adequate backup. I have not
seen starter potential, a guy that you want to play
thirty five minutes per game.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
But I think, like we talked about last week, if
he can be.

Speaker 7 (01:40:24):
That eighteen minutes per game guy, give you eight points,
five rebounds, three blocks, I think that's exactly why they
went out and got him. But that the center position
as a whole remains unsettled to this point, but that's
been the least of their worries given their injuries elsewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
You know Scott when I look Scott Agnesy is my guest.
He's on the Java House Peel and poor guest line
Field House files.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Of course his work.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
This week is such a weird week because they're you know,
you're void of NBA games to a large extent over
the course of the week because of the fact that
it is now into that point of and you remember
how how kind of surreal it was, and it was
really the introduction for the Pacers on the national stage
in getting to the finals of the nd Season Tournament,
And it felt like at that time, and this is

(01:41:10):
my question for you, and that first year of the
nd Season Tournament, I thought to myself, this worked. People
are talking about this, this feels like a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
It's cool. It's super fun to have these games be relevant.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
But the Pacers were an integral part of it because
they got to the championship of it. Is it now,
I hate to say it this way? Has it run
its course? Was there more hype about it in year
one across the board or did we just feel that
way because Indiana was involved in it, has it lost
any steam?

Speaker 7 (01:41:45):
I think it's been a missed opportunity, Jake. I think
the courts are so bad that it turns people off totally.
And I am one hundred percent in that boat. If
there's a game going on and it's a bright purple court, honestly,
I have no interest in watching. It's too distracting. I
think they get rid of the gimmicks. They push it
back back later in the season, then it has a
lot more validity. But right now, when you're playing about

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a month ago, like two weeks into the season, and
you're already playing these cup games with these huge implications,
and more so these players wanting to get that additional
bonus money, I think that's far.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Too soon to do that.

Speaker 7 (01:42:20):
And also you got to keep in mind you're going
against the prime NFL season when that is I make
this more popular, putting it off when more.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
People are able to watch it. But I do agree.

Speaker 7 (01:42:32):
I think we were way more in tune and locked
in on it because of the Pacers success in year
one plus the first couple of years there's great intrigue
about what is this and why are they doing this,
and what is this about do players care. It turned
out they did care about the bonus money. It's great
if your team can reach it. If not, I think

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all the teams are grateful because now they play about
two games in the next ten days and can utilize
this as a mini week to get back to practice,
because already it's sad. Teams have gotten to the point
where they're just not practicing very often, and I think
they all could use some of that time.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Man, I'll tell you what. The courts are terrible, right, awful?

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
I mean, honestly, Scott, there are and I don't know
if that's I think initially that was designed so that
if like you were walking through a sports bar and
you looked up, you knew that, like, oh this is different,
you know what I mean? Like this must be an
in season target game, And now I watch it, you
can't even there was one of them, and I can't
recall which game it was this year. The Pacers weren't

(01:43:31):
one of them, and I couldn't even see the rim.
It was like the way that on television it looked
like I was watching Atari.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
It was awful.

Speaker 7 (01:43:38):
Here's my other argument, why do we make the Cup
courts in the Cup Field way more important than the
NBA Finals. Jake, you watch the NBA Finals, there's no
marking physically on the court. That is the finals. Now,
I think they've come out and since that all right,
you didn't realize.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
I gotta tell you, Kurt Jerald's was filling in for Eddie.
Eddie Garrison today, by the way, is up in Laporte.
If you if you have his number, Scott, wish him
good luck. I hooked up Eddie with a marketing deal here.
He's on his way to Laporte as part of the
Big Head Association. He's a finalist to become a head
model for a hat company that needs to make eight
and five eights hats. And Eddie's like in the whatever,

(01:44:17):
the one percentile of people with heads that big, and
so he's on his way for the BHA to compete.
So wish him the best of luck. That's why he's
out today. But Kurt Gerald's when Scott just said that,
you literally just you did like a you jumped up
and you prayed to the sky in thanks.

Speaker 14 (01:44:31):
Right, Yes, because I missed the NBA Finals courts that
had the big trophy right there in the.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
Middle of the doing it now, Scott, aren't they retarding it?

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
That was one of the many things that have changed.

Speaker 7 (01:44:41):
We've also seen some of the national broadcasters lean into
showing the national anthem and team introductions. We see that
in the NFL, we have not seen it in the NBA,
and I think to the point earlier though, by adding
that on the court, it adds some big game feel.
I never liked that they advertised NBA Summer League in
the WNBAC during the finals. The showcase should be this,

(01:45:02):
this is their best product, this is what it should
be all about. And so they listened to a lot
of feedback during the finals last year, even showing the intros,
national anthem, and so I just feel like they've invested
more in the Cup than the finals, which is their
quality product.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
Now, Scott, here's the million dollar quest.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
I'm gonna let you, Scott Agnes, be the judge and
jury on this personal anecdote of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
You're ready, got it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
I've got to check because and make sure that I'm correct,
because the season schedule is weird because of the end
season tournament, like for example, now the Pacers are next
in Philadelphia. Correct, Yes, and that was not I if
you have like a preseason schedule that was printed out
that doesn't show it fluctuates.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
See boom, here we go.

Speaker 7 (01:45:47):
You would only have eighty of eighty two games that
were known in August, right, Okay, so I'm I was
wrong about this.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
I thought the Bucks were at home on Friday night,
but they might they are not. Now we do Shan
and I are doing our annual trip. We spent a
weekend in Milwaukee every year at Christmas time, just to
get away, go to dinners, shop, whatever else. And she
was asking what sort of new things we can do

(01:46:14):
in Milwaukee, And then I was wondering, do you think,
considering that we are fortunate enough to go to Pacer
games here and go to all of them, if I
went out of town, would it be lame?

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Then if we went to a Bucks game.

Speaker 7 (01:46:26):
Only if you love doing I don't think it would
be lame. If you like to experience new venues, new sites.
I'm a geek about that type of thing, but purely
for just going there. I think there are way other
things I get involved with before I do that. But
there's an incredible deer district that could lead us the
pregame post game have a nice dinner there. The Pfizer
reform is really the center hub.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
For all that, so so that they've got a Christmas market,
one of those deals in the Deer District right out
front of it. So I think we're doing that. So
that's as close as we're going to get. But I
thought they were at home. They're not at home this weekend,
so it's a moot point. But is the arena nice?

Speaker 7 (01:47:04):
The Bucks Arena it is, Yeah, it's It's one of
those in the fun fact that you'll appreciate. The first
opponent who ever play there was the Pacers. They were
their opening night for that venue back feels like twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
You know my big fun fact about that arena that
I've shared on this show many times, including knocking out
Joel Erickson with this fun fact.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
Do you know what was on the What's that? I
don't know a ton about it? But isn't it the
Dahmer story?

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
So Jeffrey Dahmer, the chocolate factory where he worked was
located on the site that is now Phi Serve Arena,
so they they not because of Dahmer, but years later,
after all of that went down, the chocolate factory.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
Where he worked was torn down.

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
They eventually built the arena and the very first event
of the arena was a concert and it was the
Violent Fems and the Killers true story.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
How about them apples?

Speaker 8 (01:47:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:47:57):
Final about the Cannibals booked for How was your other
last big trip?

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
That's great. We went to Vienna and Munich.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
I went to Vienna, Salzburg and Munich, and let me
tell you, Scott, I've never been one.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
I'll tell you this.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
There were a lot of people that were going to Vienna,
Austria because they're known for those Christmas markets, Christmas March,
whichever way you want to call it. Carmel, of course,
is now really known for it. We just went to
the one at the Rascular, which was awesome this past
Saturday night. If nobody has been down to the Antoneum
to go down for that, it is also very cool.
And those things are kind of funny because like you

(01:48:38):
go through them and you realize by the time you
go to one of the little kiosk things, You're like, yeah,
these are really like the same four things, but there's
one hundred and fifty of them. But so I kind
of wondered why people that wasn't why we went to Vienna,
but Vienna is known for them, and we were there
for the opening weekend of them, and there were a
lot of people from around Europe that were there for that,

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and I thought that was kind of weird. And then
we went through the big one in like the downtown
and they have like a like a lazy river, except
for that it's now ice and so it's like an
ice skating path that goes through the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
It was magical.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
I mean, honestly, it was like you could have had
that in the middle of July and you would have
felt in the Christmas spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
That part of it was very very cool. It was cool. Yeah,
it was such a good idea.

Speaker 7 (01:49:24):
I feel like going over to do an Octoberfest. Yes
up there on the bucket list. Experience there, and it's earlier.
I've learned, it's earlier than you would imagine out there too.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Octoberfest is actually late September, which is weird. And I'll
tell you this, Munich. We were only in two days.
And again I know that we're very fortunate to be
able to do that, and I'm extremely grateful for that,
but Munich blew me away.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:49:46):
I don't know what I was anticipating. I thought I
was expecting it to be like this, kind of like
stuck in the seventies type robotic type city. And it
was beautiful. Munich was awesome. Munich was a great city.
So we had a great time. It was definitely fun.
And then came back and you know, been able to
watch the Pacers kind of upticket a little bit obviously
last night with their win against Sacramento.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
And now up next Philly is tomorrow night. Is that correct?
Or is it Friday? No Friday? They got three days
between games. Friday in Philly is up next.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
All of it will be covered at Fieldhouse Files with
Scott Agnes, who's on the Joba House A peel and
poor guest line. Scott appreciated as always, man, you bet,
thank you, Jake. All right, Scott Agnes joining us again.
The other two big stories of the day, one of
them which I never really got to was I thought
it was interesting. I'll simply say this, the Notre Dame
Athletic director basically calling out the ACC and saying, look,

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the ACC has really compromised our relationship with them, and
I understand it, and I want Notre Dame people to understand.
I totally get where you're coming from. I think Notre
Dame is absolutely one of the eight best teams in
college football, let alone top twelve. I absolutely do. But
at the same time, I also understand I'm not saying

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I support it, but I understand the hard line line
in the sand that the College Football Committee basically laid
out for Notre Dame, which was, if you ever put
your if you don't want to join a conference, that's fine,
that's fine. Just know that you're going to put yourself
in position where you're going to have to work extra
hard versus everyone else.

Speaker 14 (01:51:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
It's kind of like, you know, I was going to
make a bad example there about like two A versus
six A schools whatever. I don't want to do that
because but the reality is, if you if you're a
basketball player Seaton Catholic for Desmond Bine, if Desmond Bain
had been that exact same player with the exact same

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statistics at Newcastle or Munsey Central or Anderson or Center Grove,
he would have been way more on the radar than
he was at Seaton Catholic. When you're a smaller school
like that, you just got to work a little bit
not work a little bit harder is the wrong way.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Of saying, but you get what I'm saying. You got
to publicize a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
And for Notre Dame in this circumstance, they're the biggest
brand in college football.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
Everybody knows that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
But when you stand on your own and you don't
go into a conference, that's their prerogative. And they don't
need to be in a conference for any reason other
than the committee's telling them repeatedly over the course of
a decade and a half and the athletic directors telling
them repeatedly over the course of a decade and a half. Eventually,

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your decision to stand on your own and not play
in the sandbox with other kids is going to be
one that the judgment day is going to come for us.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
And that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
And so for the athletic director at Notre Dame to
now call out the ACC because they have a partnership
of the ACC, a scheduling partnership of the ACEC, and
for him to say because the ACC was making the
case for Miami and not for Notre Dame, and Notre
Dame got offended by that and said this has really
done terrible damage to the relationship between us and the ACC.

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I get it, and I get that for ninety nine
percent of their existence, Notre Dame has the clout to
be able to make that and draw that line in
the sand.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
But now, for the very first time, and I know
change is hard. I know it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:14):
I know it all too well. I don't like change.
But for the very first time, some of that power
now exists within the conferences and not with Notre Dame.
And that's a hard pill to swallow, but it's also
a realistic one. Philip rivers the other big story of
the day. He has now signed with a practice squad
for the Colts. Will he play on Sunday? Stephen Holder

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ESPN joins us next.

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Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
Okay, busy day for Stephen Holder as well. He joins
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Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
Let's get right to this. Is Philip Rivers going to
start for the Colts on Sunday?

Speaker 8 (01:54:24):
Well, first off, I both need some coffee, it sounds like,
so that's a great idea.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
Number one.

Speaker 8 (01:54:30):
Number two will he start this weekend? I think the
answer is tbd. And that's an honest answer, both from
me and the Colts. I think because there is still
some potential for Riley Leonard to get back out there.
I don't know what his status is. It's been described
as week to week, but you know, this is certainly

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a desperate situation. Maybe he tries to push it. Who
I don't know, and I don't know that the Colts know.
I was told that we will know more or within
maybe the next twenty four hours. So we wait and
we let that play out. But I think the Colts
going out and looking at other options tells you a
lot about the situation, right It tells you that they

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they are at least somewhat doubtful about rally Leonard playing
or at least concerned maybe is the better word. If
they if they thought this was something he could push through,
we wouldn't be here. So I think we'll have to
wait and see. But the odds, I would say it's
not off the table, certainly. Okay, what is the motivation

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here for the Colts or for Philip Rivers?

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
Both?

Speaker 8 (01:55:41):
That's that's fair. Well, the Colts, the motivation is we're desperate.
They are trying to make the playoffs. I think the
alternative is for them, right, is okay, we sit here
and we just let this, you know, slip away. Whether
we think they have a a legitimate shot is not
the question, right, It's about how you react to this

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desperate situation. If you just sit here and say, all right, well,
we'll just find whoever's out there on the couch. I
guess they did that with Philip Rivers. But whatever, you know,
a more predictable guy on the couch who really gives
you no shot, you're not really trying, I guess is
what they might might presume there this. While I don't

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know if it's going to work, I cannot even begin
to speculate if it will work, but they believe it
gives them a fighting chance. And I think this really
boils down to he can function quickly and make quick
decisions and deliver the football. He's throwing the ball fine
from what I'm hearing. Is he in football shape?

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
Not really?

Speaker 8 (01:56:48):
Is he up for taking the punishment? I don't know
about that, but certainly he can come in anyone else
you get off the st He isn't going to know
the offense and have the history with Shain Stikeen that
Philip Rivers has, which is six years of working with
him that is substantial. He can come in and he

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can operate and that won't be a problem, and that
is like half the battle for a quarterback you sign
off the street for what's the motivation for Philip Rivers.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
That's a tougher question.

Speaker 8 (01:57:19):
Frankly, I gotta think a lot of this is I'm
doing what i can to help my friend, and that
is Shane Stikeen. You guys, I don't think people understand they.

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
Are very close like they are.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
He's there, he is one of them, by the way,
Just not to cut up there, Steven, I apologize, but
for those listening because it's an easy thing to get
confused by. When Philip Rivers was here, before he had
Frank Reich, he did not have Shane Stykeen. He worked
with Shane Steiken with the Chargers.

Speaker 8 (01:57:50):
Correct, Yes, that is correct, So Sanin Sticken's formative years
in the NFL were basically all spent with the Chargers.
He went there as kind of a glorified intern, I
believe in twenty thirteen, and he spent six seasons there
with Rivers. And when he left. When Rivers left, I
should say, or his final season. I believe it was

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Shane's first season as offensive coordinators, so he worked very
closely with him, including as I believe, quarterbacks coach and
receivers coach for a while. So they have a lot
of history. They're going to know how each other think,
how each other operates. Stiching references Philip Rivers like all
the time, like all the time, you know. So there's

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a synergy there. So I guess that's a big part
of it. Again, he's helping his friend out, and I
guess he's willing to put his body on the line
for it a good friend.

Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
I guess the.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
Reality is this, Steven, the Colts are let's go to
say it this way, Stephen holdermiguest esp dot com. In
your opinion, the Colts are how many wins from securing
a playoff spot?

Speaker 8 (01:59:01):
Well, securing is a tricky word. I think they believe
two wins gives them a shot, like a legit shot.
But I think at that point you're hoping. You're probably
left hoping that a couple of other teams do you
some favors to really control your destiny the way things
are going, Like the Chargers winning last night doesn't help.

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That gets them, I think, to nine wins and they're
in the wild card. So I really think if the
nine win teams split the rest of their games, right,
that gets them to eleven. So you're fighting for that
last spot? Are you going to get it with ten wins?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
I'm not sure do they make this move.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
I'm asking this not rhetorically but legitimately asking, Okay, does
Chris Ballard make this move if he is one confident
and can bend that he is back next year regardless
of the outcome of this one.

Speaker 8 (02:00:04):
I mean maybe, And here's why, because now, well I
will grant you that that is probably.

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
Some extra sauce here.

Speaker 8 (02:00:13):
Okay, let's be honest. No one's job, whether it's Chris
Ballard or you know, or whoever's starting at you know,
at position X, no one's job is really safe ever
in the NFL. So you're always straining and striving, you know,
to get every morsel you can. So that's the nature

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of the NFL. So but I do think certainly you
could you could make the argument, I don't know. Look,
we're speculating. We can make the argument that their jobs
were on the line a year ago and this has
taken a turn for the worst. You can't lose all
of your second half games and expect to have not

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have to answer for that, right, So I think that
there has to be at least some thought to, look,
we got to do what we gotta do. And then
you also owe it to your players. That's the other
part of this. You owe it to your players to
do everything you can and to do what you think
is best. And that is what they're doing here, right
or wrong, better or worse. I think that's a big part.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
Of it, you know. The Okay, let me ask you
the other side of that, Steven, do you believe.

Speaker 1 (02:01:24):
And I know I'm probably it's gonna sound like I'm
grasping at straws Okay, which is what I do.

Speaker 2 (02:01:30):
You mentioned extra sauce.

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
Okay, If they had not made the trade for Sauce Gardner,
and they knew that they still had a first round pick,
and they knew that they had a quarterback that they
drafted a handful of years ago that they still don't
know who he is, and they have another quarterback that
looked like he was going to be perhaps the guy. Fortunately,
I hate to say it that way, they had not

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re signed or they had not signed him to a
long term deal before this injury. We don't know his
status for next year. If they were in place looking
at it saying if we make or if we miss
the playoffs, at least we have a first round pick
to fall back on to bolster ourselves or put ourselves
back in position. Does that now become meaningless? So you

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may as well push all in because you already set
your next two years first round picks elsewhere.

Speaker 8 (02:02:20):
Well, I would the only thing I'd say that's a
that is something that's considered now. The only thing I'd
say is that they're already at eight wins. They are
not going to have. They were never going to have
some sort of top ten pick, even if they have
their first round pick. So that's the only thing that's
sort of a disincentive if you're picking in the middle.
I always feel like, if you're picking fifteenth, you might

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as well pick like twenty second, right, you know what
I'm saying. And it's kind of like flavors at that point.
The real the real different makers, at least the obvious
difference makers, the ones that we can tell like halfway
through their senior season.

Speaker 2 (02:02:57):
Those are the guys that go in like the top
five or ten.

Speaker 8 (02:02:59):
So anyhow, I guess I would say I don't think
it factored that much because I don't think it's going
to impact their draft pick that much. The well they're
they're they're figurative draft.

Speaker 2 (02:03:12):
Pick have they had?

Speaker 4 (02:03:13):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:03:13):
I mean that, Steven, it's just so easy to forget
that they don't have a first round pick the next
two years. But let's get to that situation before we
let you go here. Philip Rivers is by the way,
if you're just joining us on the program, Philip Rivers
signed to the practice squad? Uh who was on the
did they have to make room on the practice squad
for him, or was Bred Ripen lifted up and that

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created the spot?

Speaker 2 (02:03:37):
That is a good question.

Speaker 8 (02:03:39):
Those machinations I think are still being worked out because
we haven't gotten like official notification of the signing, so
that that sort of uh other transaction, corresponding transaction. I
guess that usually happens when the actual signing happens, and
that hasn't happened yet that I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
Aware of, so we will see.

Speaker 1 (02:04:01):
I mean, doesn't it feel like Philip Rivers ain't coming
here on a practice squad unless he knows he's gonna play.

Speaker 8 (02:04:06):
I mean, well, I think there's certainly a good chance
of him playing, right, I mean, he didn't come here
to be to hold Riley Leonard's hand, you know he is?

Speaker 2 (02:04:15):
He ain't don Strock right, correct?

Speaker 4 (02:04:19):
Right?

Speaker 8 (02:04:20):
I think that's fair. I do think that's fair. I
do think I do know I should say that like
Riley Leonard's.

Speaker 2 (02:04:26):
Not ruled out.

Speaker 8 (02:04:27):
So in the perfect world, righty Leonard plays on Sunday
as as much as we might think Riley Leonard against
the Seahawks. Come on, I mean, Philip Rivers forty four
years old, five years retired against the Seahawks come on, right,
Like they're both ridiculous. But I do think Riley at
least gives you a chance because he's been he's been

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doing this right, he's been.

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
Doing it all along.

Speaker 8 (02:04:49):
And he may not have the institutional knowledge of Philip Rivers,
but certainly he has, you know, twenty three year old legs,
and that gives you something to work with. But by
the way, you may already know this, but like a
a subplot to all of this is that Riley Leonard
and Philip Rivers are very close.

Speaker 1 (02:05:06):
I don't know if you know that, but like, yeah,
he tutored him along with Drake may up into the
draft process, correct, Yeah, and Riley.

Speaker 8 (02:05:14):
Is actually from Alabama, not far from where Philip lives
down on the coast. So yeah, just kind of a.

Speaker 1 (02:05:23):
Do you believe that that is that coincidence or is
that uh direct tie coincidence?

Speaker 8 (02:05:30):
I do think where there is a possible tie is
the fact that they drafted Riley Leonard, because you and
I can can easily draw the dots there, right, Like
certainly Saint Styke and Chris Ballard they certainly connected with
Philip Rivers before drafting Riley Leonard, because of course they did,

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and so those conversations and impressions I am sure informed
their opinions of Riley Leonard before drafting him. So that's
where I think there's a connection.

Speaker 1 (02:06:01):
Okay, Steven, let's get to a health standpoint before we
let you go here. First off, we'll begin with Sauce
Gardner and where things stand there.

Speaker 8 (02:06:09):
Yeah. I don't know that we see him this week,
but the goal is to have him back in the
next few weeks, So I think I think next week
is probably where we have we start having a realistic
conversation about that. Uh So, we will see, but they
could really use him in light of what's going on
with Mooney Ward.

Speaker 2 (02:06:28):
Okay, that's the other one, Mooney Ward.

Speaker 1 (02:06:30):
I have serious concerns about this, and I don't mean
Stephen from a football standpoint. I'm talking about anytime that
you have a player who psychologically has had some of
the you know, the emotional challenges that he's had, understandably
justifiably so with personal loss a year ago, but then
not one, not two, now, but three concussion protocol visits

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in the course of a regular season.

Speaker 2 (02:06:54):
You gotta start thinking about it, don't you.

Speaker 8 (02:06:57):
Oh, one hundred percent I think every possible outcome is
on the table with Mooney Ward, and you know they
haven't really not not to minimize this, right, we're talking
about a young man's his his brain. Frankly, we're talking
about his brain and his future as a father and
what have you. So I would say, however, a related

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note is that they have not really had any luck
at all with their big dollar signings. I mean, their
three most I think highest paid players on defense were
all hurt at the same time, Sauce Gardner, Mooney Ward,
and the Forrest Buckner.

Speaker 2 (02:07:34):
So I mean, just an.

Speaker 8 (02:07:37):
Unfortunate series of events. But now they have the football
gods clearly hate them.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
Yeah, okay, to Forest Butner, where do things stand there? Close?

Speaker 8 (02:07:47):
I think this week is probably pushing it, but I
bet he comes back for the forty nine ers game
next week. That's kind of where my sense is right now.
But this week hasn't been rule not either, so we
will see he's he is definitely close. The lesson I
take from the Forrest Buckner's that stem cells real, You've

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done it twice now and has recovered when you know
he could have had a season ending injury.

Speaker 1 (02:08:14):
From a you know, you were talking about you know,
Moody Ward concussion protocol. I know Alec Pierce was one
that we thought might go into that that would that
turned out to not be the case. But I'm curious
if this Stephen may be conversation for a later time,
but does the quarterback uncertainty for next year factor in
to Alec Pearce and his desire to re sign here

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as opposed to going into free agency across the board.

Speaker 2 (02:08:39):
It would for me.

Speaker 8 (02:08:40):
I mean, let's be honest, right, who's your quarterback next year? Alex?

Speaker 2 (02:08:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (02:08:46):
You.

Speaker 8 (02:08:46):
I mean that's where I think it matters on both sides, right, Like,
if you're the Colts and you you aren't sure what
you're working with next year, are you also as motivated
to pay what it's going to take to keep Alec Pierce?
Because I know they were. They had come around to
that when they thought he'd be paired with Daniel Jones.

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That is not likely to be the case now, regardless
of how optimistic a fan you are, I'm telling you
right now, Daniel Jones is not going to be the
starting quarterback at the start of next season.

Speaker 2 (02:09:18):
That seems extremely unlikely. Right, So do you think he'll
be under contract at the start of the next season.

Speaker 8 (02:09:26):
Oh man, that is a tougher question.

Speaker 10 (02:09:28):
I think.

Speaker 8 (02:09:31):
I think the odds are decent, but I it will
take a different form. It has to write.

Speaker 10 (02:09:38):
I mean, you can't.

Speaker 8 (02:09:39):
You can't give him some sort of franchise quarterback contract
when he's not gonna play, perhaps for the first year.
I don't know how you handle it. I really don't.
It's it's gonna cost him money. It's going to cost
the Colts in terms of certainty. You know what they're
signing up for. It's just a a completely imperfect situation.

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The alternative, and you know, maybe this doesn't, you know,
get people excited. The alternative is go all in on
Anthony Richardson. Maybe you you trim the roster a little bit,
trim some fat from the roster, You pair things down,
give Anthony Richardson a shot, see what happens there. Even
if you move on from him, at least he benefits

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by getting to show himself for a free agency and
then you regroup in twenty twenty seven. But I mean,
we're so far off from that, I can't even begin
to think about it. But those are some of the
those are some of the actual scenarios that are going
to be in play.

Speaker 6 (02:10:38):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:10:38):
Lastly, Stephen, be honest. Okay, I want you to roll
up your sleep and put truth to them in your vein.
You ready, all right, I'm ready. Did your alma mater,
Miami deserve to get in above Notre Dame?

Speaker 8 (02:10:50):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:10:51):
Now, here's the deal.

Speaker 8 (02:10:53):
I think their losses were very comparable. There were, so
if you and you can disagree with that. But if
you if you, if you agree with that, well then
and then you look at heads ahead, then what are
we talking about?

Speaker 4 (02:11:07):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:11:08):
Well, the fact that Miami, somehow mysterious had vaulted them
when both of them were idle, Right, isn't that what happened?

Speaker 6 (02:11:14):
Well?

Speaker 8 (02:11:14):
Sure, But then I think I think the bigger question
is why why was there the separation to begin with?
I think is the bigger question, right, And I think
that that's the thing that the committee has to do
a better job of explaining because they still haven't.

Speaker 4 (02:11:29):
Right.

Speaker 8 (02:11:30):
So it's like the heads of head didn't matter until
it did. So I don't know the process is flawed.
I do agree with some of the takes I've heard
about the having the two is a group of five
teams in there. I think that maybe should be looked
at because I mean, let's let's be honest. Congrats to
James Madison. I don't know, man, you know, I just

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don't know. I think they lost.

Speaker 2 (02:11:55):
Who did Miami lose to? Who were Miami's losses? Louisville
and s m U come on both of them, which
that's not that's not compearable.

Speaker 1 (02:12:03):
And I realized one of them. The irony here and
the thing that makes it murky is one of Notre
Dame's losses is to Miami. But Miami in Texas A
and m in the first two weeks, both on the road,
are less egregious than I mean, those those aren't. SMU
and Louisville aren't terrible, but they're not great losses.

Speaker 8 (02:12:19):
Yeah, I would say, I would say, I think it's
after that, the the the number of ranked opponents at
the time that they played them. I believe Miami had
had the edge there. So like there's always there's always
arguments that you can counter with.

Speaker 2 (02:12:34):
And you know you can do it all day long.
Right now, Miami plays you in the in the playoffs,
they played.

Speaker 8 (02:12:39):
That's A and m So there go so it's tough one.

Speaker 1 (02:12:43):
Miami.

Speaker 8 (02:12:43):
I will say Miami has their offense has has really
found its stride, which I think is a product of
Mario crystal Ball shutting the hell up and letting his
coordinator coach. But that's another story.

Speaker 2 (02:12:54):
What's the name of that what's the name of the stork.

Speaker 8 (02:12:58):
Of the ipis?

Speaker 1 (02:13:00):
That's he's but that's his name, the Ibis bird, And
that's because that's the bird that is always the last
one to leave when a hurricane arrives, in the first
one to come back.

Speaker 8 (02:13:07):
Right, legend had it, But you know I don't. I
don't tend to stick around to find out that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:13:13):
If the Ibis has this figured out, because he's like,
I'm just gonna put that in the pr release and
nobody knows the difference. Nobody's sticking around to tell the
truth or not, right right right? You know, I was
doing a little bird watching a hurricane and.

Speaker 8 (02:13:27):
I noticed the I suck him ound, Like who discovered that?
Like what idiot?

Speaker 1 (02:13:31):
The ibis did the Ibis cent a press release because
he was on top of it. He was at the forefront.
It was like me, it was like me trademarking white
out Indiana.

Speaker 2 (02:13:39):
You gotta you gotta think of you know what it
one rainhom of no abuilt the arc. You know what
I mean. You gotta know what you're doing, all right.

Speaker 8 (02:13:44):
Saved some professor from the the Arts and Sciences school,
you know, right when I did a research project in
Middle bart Apparently.

Speaker 2 (02:13:53):
The one guy sticking around.

Speaker 11 (02:13:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:13:55):
They found his paperwork after the fact, but not the guy.

Speaker 11 (02:13:57):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:13:57):
Steven appreciate the time as always. I know you're busy,
and we'll let you get back to work at ESPN
dot com. All I'll see you soon, Hi, Steven Holder
joining us, Java House Peel and poor guest Line jamb
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Speaker 2 (02:14:16):
We'll see what he's got shaken next.

Speaker 10 (02:14:20):
People disagreeing on just about anything.

Speaker 1 (02:14:23):
So JMB is in studio. He will be up next
with you obviously. Thank you to Scott Agnes, Thank you
to Ralph Reef. Thank you to Stephen Holder for their
time today. Also to Kurt Jeralds for filling in while
Eddie Garrison is on his way to the photo shoot.
Have not heard yet from Eddie whether or not he
was selected as part of the Big Head Association for
their shoot for the Big Cranium Contest. In terms of

(02:14:46):
the eight and five eights hat model we talking about
with him, he kind of like George Costanza as a
hand model.

Speaker 2 (02:14:53):
Apparently there is a.

Speaker 1 (02:14:54):
Hat corporation that needs big heads. He was going for
a photo shoot to that to try to get royalties
for it. So we wish the cold Hula right there.
That's right, h J ANDV is obviously here. It is
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cooking on the Big Show. Plenty of philip.

Speaker 14 (02:15:16):
Rivers have philip Rivers conversation. I used stuff to Matt Surface,
former linebacker, is going to be on here. Charles Arbuckle,
former Colts tight end radio network analysts also going to
be on here. So we got a lot of a
lot of angles to hit on philip Rivers back after
five years.

Speaker 2 (02:15:33):
We got to think comparable here.

Speaker 14 (02:15:35):
I know everybody's trying to be funny about it, So
I want to go ahead and jump into to try
to be funny.

Speaker 2 (02:15:39):
Anything comparable to it good. It's a good question, you know.
I guess it would be.

Speaker 14 (02:15:44):
All those George Foreman comeback story kind of things.

Speaker 2 (02:15:48):
Maybe back in the day.

Speaker 1 (02:15:50):
I mean, I'm thinking maybe like late in his career,
like when Alixer Junior came back and ran the five
hundred another time, you know after Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
You're talking about waiting.

Speaker 14 (02:15:58):
I'm just talking about I was just coming back in
general after years in a hiatus.

Speaker 2 (02:16:02):
Yeah, I mean that's.

Speaker 14 (02:16:05):
You think this offensive line would be nice if they're
better too, maybe protect him a little bit, not get
him killed out there. And that's a Pacific North you
worry about that, right, I mean, and listen, there's one
hundred percent, zero way this guy's going to sign after
five years not doing it and not come out there
and be the dude.

Speaker 2 (02:16:21):
No question, zero question. Way can you imagine I'm gonna
stand here on the sideline. That's why I said he's
not coming to be Don Struck's down Struck right.

Speaker 8 (02:16:28):
Zero way.

Speaker 2 (02:16:29):
So I will say this, it makes it more interesting.

Speaker 14 (02:16:33):
It is it more interesting than either Riley Leonard or
uh Brett Ripping. But it's just kind of par for
the Colt's course here.

Speaker 1 (02:16:42):
That's just what's so unfortunate, John, I think it looks
like a hail Mary, doesn't It looks like a hail Mary.
I mean, it looks like they are throwing a desperate
heave of like we.

Speaker 14 (02:16:52):
We are limping our way to the believe that they're
like a decent quarterback away from still getting in this thing.
I don't know, I don't think they're doing it to
save their own assets here. I just think they're doing
it because they feel that around them if they can
get a confident quarterback play. Now, the problem is that
Daniel Jones had zero mobility, and zero mobility is much

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better than a mobility you're going to get from forty
four year old.

Speaker 2 (02:17:17):
Philip Rivers's a zero way about that.

Speaker 14 (02:17:19):
But I mean, now all of a sudden, I mean,
you couldn't adjust a passing game for Daniel Jones. Now
you kind of got to adjust it a little bit
for Philip Rivers.

Speaker 2 (02:17:27):
One thing that I did see, but.

Speaker 14 (02:17:29):
Josh Josh downs to get rediscovered again.

Speaker 1 (02:17:31):
And you know, JJ Watt pointed out that Philip Rivers
was running for the high school team that he was coaching,
the exact same offensive scheme that Shane Stakin runs, so
he's familiar with it.

Speaker 14 (02:17:41):
But still to protect your guy, I mean, you got
to protect him, There's no doubt. I do find it
interesting though. I have a high level of interest in this,
more so than I did going in, So.

Speaker 2 (02:17:54):
Will you'll be interested in more of what John has
to say. I like the first time if something works
out for him like this, though that's true.

Speaker 1 (02:18:01):
He'll be with you till six. We'll be back with
you at noon tomorrow. And I thank you for listening
to the Quarry Company