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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
You're going to bankrupt your mama's company.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
At least I have the radio to keep me company
on ninety three to five and one oh seventy five
the fan.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
And that was a disgraceful performance in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (00:16):
That's pitiful.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
I mean, it's absolutely pitiful to perform like that. Every
time they got the ball and went down and got points.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Quarterback back's to throw a plants looking, throws over the
middle into the end zone. He's got a man for
a touchdown. That's DeMarcus Robinson. Rivers out of the gun.
Back's the past, he's got time.

Speaker 6 (00:34):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
He throws up into the end zone.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's patch down.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Here's the gun touch fimber two to night prowl it pierced.
It covers sixteen yards to the house, pretty rolling to
his right, scanning looking, he's at the.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Fifteen yard line.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Throws across his body into the end zone and that
is a catch for a touchdown, and that is George
Kettle the tight end. San Francisco leads twenty four to seventeen.
Shotgun snapped to party scanning. Throws right side of the
goal line, and that's an over the shoulder catch for
a touchdown. That's Juwan Jennings for the scorer. Hurdy goes
out of the gun. Two receivers go to the right side.

(01:08):
Shotgun stat for the quarterback. Here comes the rush by
the Colts. He throws left.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Flat back down touchdown. My goodness, the number one player
on the field. Total coverage bus. They don't know what
they're doing. Hivers. Shotgun snap quick throw.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
It's picked off the intercepted by D Winners, and he's
gonna go.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
He's got nobody in front of him down the right sideline.
He's gonna score. It's gonna be a pick six by
D Winners.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Final score tonight on Monday Night Football the San Francisco
forty nine Ers forty eight and the Indianapolis Colts twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well, you're not gonna win that way.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
We got our ass totally kicked the second half.

Speaker 7 (01:46):
That's what it boiled down to.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Don't talk about playoffs, you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game. They
went band aid after band aid after band aid, Yeah,
they tried the Carson wins thing on didn't like him.
Then they tried the Philip Rivers thing and he played
pretty well but didn't want to play a second year.
Maybe should have looked into that. They tried the Matt
Ryan thing and they realized that he actually was ready

(02:14):
for a television booth like the year before that, and
then they tried the Anthony Richardson thing, and we don't
need to go over all of that, but they kept
kicking the can. And credit to Chris Ballard because Chris
Ballard went out and put together a roster that at
the beginning of the year when they finally found serendipitously
almost Daniel Jones that could have some life at the

(02:36):
quarterback position and played well for a while there, Kudos
to them, Kudos to them because it looked like they
had a solid roster. But you know the difference between
good teams and championship teams. Good teams have good rosters.

(02:57):
Championship teams have deep rosters. Yes, this is a team
that was hurt by injury this year, notably at the
quarterback position, but you know what, and in no way,
shape or form, when Daniel Jones went down were people
expecting that they were going to be able to get

(03:17):
a quarterback in there that was going to carry them
to a super Bowl. But what you want is a
quarterback that comes in and is playing with a team
that is still playing inspired. Philip Rivers last night came
in there at the age of forty four. The side
show the interest level people in Boise, Idaho and Savannah,

(03:41):
Georgia that were like, I'm not really interested in the
money in that football game, but I heard Philip Rivers
is playing, and that's kind of interesting, so I'm going
to check it out. And Philip Rivers came out there
and Philip Rivers actually did everything that they could probably
ask of him at the age of forty four for

(04:02):
a guy that was working on a high school football
field fourteen days ago. And Philip Rivers wide receivers looked
like they wanted to play for him. Alec Pierce made plays,
Michael Pittman Junior made plays, Josh Downs made plays. They
looked inspired under the leadership and the great story of

(04:23):
Philip Rivers. But Philip Rivers. The reason it's a great
story is because Philip Rivers is old, and you know
what else is old? The tiresome excuses that we give
for this franchise on why they keep finding themselves in
the same damn position every year, Because it's been a decade. Now,

(04:44):
how long are we going to continue to fall for
the trap of the blink eyed boy? Wonder how long?
Eventually you have to say to yourself, enough is enough.
And the definition of insanity is doing the same thing
over and over and expecting different results. And you can't
blame that on Philip Rivers. When Jim Mora went off
on his famous San Francisco forty nine or rant, in

(05:06):
that particular time period, he was having to defend Vic Fangio,
his friend and defensive coordinator, and in that game, Peyton
Manning had several interceptions, a couple of pick sixes, and
Jim Mora was saying, don't blame that loss on the defense. Okay,
that's how he started out by saying, But last night

(05:27):
you would say, don't blame that loss on Philip Rivers.
Don't do it. But there is a lesson to be
had by what happened last night in a couple of
different ways. Okay, first, you got to give kudos to
Philip Rivers. But when Philip Rivers retired from the Chargers. Actually,

(05:57):
he didn't retire from the Chargers when Philip Rivers left
the Chargers. He obviously came and finished in Indianapolis. But
when Philip Rivers left the Chargers, the Chargers were ready
to move on because they were drafting a quarterback that
they were going to hand the keys over to and groom.
His name was Justin Herbert. And I'm not saying that
Justin Herbert's the end all be all, but I think
we can safely say he is a legitimate franchise quarterback

(06:21):
that is getting ready to take his team into the postseason.
You knew who could have selected a quarterback at that situation,
and who would have been available to select a quarterback
Justin Herbert, or excuse me, the Indianapolis Colts could have
selected and had Justin Herbert, but they had sacrificed their
first round pick in a trade for DeForest Buckner because

(06:43):
they pushed in to get a defensive player. And Buckner's
a wonderful player, and he's been a great player here,
a great player here. So I understand that. But precedent
pushing in and trading future stuff and more mortgaging your
future for an immediate splash on defense. That's called, by

(07:06):
the way, foreshadowing. So justin Herbert is a charger. Now
Philip Rivers was available, the Colts got him, didn't wade
through whether or not they could get a second year
for him, and they continued to then have to kick
the can. And yes, it's been a great story that
they brought him back. And then last night they went

(07:27):
out and they had that game, and everybody's tuning in
to see what Philip Rivers is going to do. And
Philip Rivers represents in many ways what happens when you
kicked the can when it comes to your quarterback. You
not once but twice, go and find a guy that's
in the twilight of his career, and he represents the

(07:49):
fact that you could have had a young, multi year,
stable franchise quarterback except for that you had traded away
and mortgaged your future for an a defensive splash. So
they go out last night and I'm sitting up in
the press box and I'm very fortunate to be able
to go and do that. I realize, but the press

(08:11):
box is in the very top of the field of
the stadium, way overlooking the field, which is good in
a way because you can see everything in a bird's
eye view. You're looking down in a bird's eye view,
and I'm looking down in what am I seeing? I'm
seeing the San Francisco forty nine ers, a team that

(08:31):
has had injury this year, a team that has had
players that have been out, A team that has waded
the storm, weathered the storm, waded through, navigated the floods
that happen when your team is injured, and they sit
there and allow brock Purty to go through walk through.

(08:52):
I've been to training camps, I've been to Grand Park.
You've all seen it. You've all seen what happens when
you go out there and they're just running the little
drills where the quarterback drops back and looks one way
and then turns the other and throws just an easy
route to the eight yeard guy, and everybody in the
crowd collapse for a second. Oh, Tyler Warren had a catch,
And then later like maybe they inadvertently overthrow one and

(09:15):
somebody makes a great catch up he goes ooh, and
then people put on Twitter like Adi Mitchell his second
big player of the day. I have now Daniel Jones
eight of nine. Holy cow, and you temper all of
that because you're like, guys, there's not a defense on
the field. They're they're doing a walkthrough. It's like they
do in the hotel with tape in the ballroom that

(09:35):
you see the videos of before the game. There's no
defense out there. And last night brock Purdy, who was
the last player selected in the National Football League Draft,
brock Purty, who was the two hundred and sixty second
overall pick, brock Purty, one hundred and sixty second overall pick,

(10:02):
sat there and threw passes like he was at training camp.
And he's throwing all over the field, and he's completing
passes all over the field, and yeah, one of his
receivers is out on our He's thrown all over the field.
And one of his best tight ends was heard at
the beginning of the year, and another one made catches
the first three games, two to three catches per game.

(10:24):
It hasn't been heard from him since, but it doesn't matter.
Brock perty started all over the field and I'm watching
it and I'm like super impressed by it. Look at
this guy that's the two hundred and sixty second pick.
While the Colts were kicking the can while the Colts
were mortgaging their future and passing on to Justin Herbert.
While the Colts were drafting in the sixth round guys

(10:46):
that were going to be depth pieces at running back,
the San Francisco forty nine ers found a quarterback that
is a franchise player because they built depth around him.
And I'm thinking all this, and then I'm reminding myself,
but Jake, he's not throwing to a defense. There's no
defense out there. This is walkthrough and I'm looking at

(11:09):
it and what I'm seeing is I'm in Westfield again.
That defense yesterday was absolutely pathetic. Lifeless, had no heart,
no clue, no motivation, no desire. And they can sit
there and say till the cows come home, and I'm
sure they will. They'll sit there and tell us over
and over and over. You've never played the game. You've

(11:31):
not been in the locker room, which is all the
more reason it's egregious. I can tell that you had
no desire to be there. None. You can't tell me
otherwise you can't. That was, to quote Jim Mora once again,
the summary of last night, and that was.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
A disgraceful performance. In my opinion, we gave him the
friggin game. In my opinion, that sucked.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
That was a disgraceful performance. And I feel bad for
Philip Rivers. I do. I feel bad for Philip Rivers.
And the question now becomes, where do you go from here?
I know that mathematically they still have a chance at
the playoffs. They are still alive, and they're listen. They're

(12:24):
not bad people. It's not like they have a bunch
of me first character issue guys. But clearly, clearly something
is off because this is now a repeated pattern, definition
of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and
expecting different results. This is a repeated pattern because we

(12:48):
continue to see it doesn't matter who you have, Gus Bradley,
eber Fluse, lou Anoumo, doesn't matter. We continue to see
a Colts defense that plays well or sufficient for the
first seventy five percent of the season and then all

(13:10):
of a sudden, it is a massive drop off. Is
that mediocrity, is that age? Is that lack of heart?
Or is it this years ago, when I was doing

(13:30):
the morning show with Kevin Bowen and Mark Dyton, we
had Chris Ballard on and I asked Chris Ballard. That's
what I said to me an infamous moment. But let
me back that up because I don't dislike Chris Ballard,
and it's going to make it sound like I do.
I don't dislike him. I think Chris Ballard does. I

(13:53):
think in a lot of ways he's pretty good dude, actually,
And I don't think he's terrible. But I don't think
he's great either. I don't think he's the boy wonder
that he was led to that we were led to
believe that he was. We would see some result by now.
But I remember asking Chris Ballard, what's the one aspect

(14:14):
of building a football team that is the hardest to
grasp and put your hands around. And he said, and
he thought for a second, and he said probably depth
building depth, notably within lines. And if you look at
in the college football playoff, what have I said is

(14:36):
my one concern for Indiana, who I think is fantastic,
But if you're going on back to back to back,
three straight week games against Alabama and Oregon in Ohio
State or Texas Tech or whoever it may be, those
teams have little subtle differences of depth where they can

(15:00):
occasionally without you even realizing it, rotate guys in for
a play here or play there, and when the game
comes down to it, they are fresher, not saying Indiana
isn't fresh and isn't deep. But that's the one area
that is of concern for me. And in the NFL,
the depth of overcoming injury and then overcoming fatigue in

(15:21):
the course of a game seem to have doomed the
Colts repeatedly with that defense, and it's because I don't
think they have the depth. You can't consistently. It's great
with fantasy football when you look at your lineup and
you're like, oh, gosh, my kickers on a buy. I'm
just going to go get a kicker off the street.
That's fine. That's fine for your tied end. That's fine

(15:44):
in fantasy football on Yahoo or ESPN or wherever you're
doing it. That's not fine on how to run an
NFL franchise, And obviously Chris Balain doesn't have that by design.
But when you go in at the corner position and
you are constantly putting in new pieces and you are
trying for the umpteenth year to get a pass rush,
how long are we going to do this? How long

(16:07):
are we going to do this? Brock Purdy had all day,
all day, all day long. He sat back there. Brock
Purty sat there yesterday. I don't know how many people
were there wearing red shirts, but brock Purty does you
know why he had time to count all of them?
He sat in the pocket and was sitting there looking

(16:28):
around and literally was saying to himself, oh, okay, I
thought there was going to be a pass rush here,
but okay, none, nonexistent all day. That was as solid
a performance, a near perfect quarterbacking performance from the two
hundred and sixty second pick in the draft. Yes, depth

(16:52):
has different guys he can throw to and make plays to,
because they've had to do that over the course of
the year, and they went they just kept going to.
But I don't expect I get it. The Daniel Jones
injury is significant. I get it. The Mooney Ward injury
is significant, But that doesn't explain lack of effort. And

(17:14):
that was a total lack of effort. And I'll tell
you another thing I'm tired of, in terms of insanity
of doing the same thing over and over. I'm tired
of hearing the same thing over and over. I'm tired
of saying the same thing over and over like, for example,
And Shane Steichen's got to be tired of saying the

(17:36):
same thing over and over like last night when he
was asked what his overall thought was on the game.

Speaker 8 (17:41):
Gotta be better. That starts with me, gotta be better,
bottom line. We can't give up that many yards. They
scored a lot of points, went up and down the field.
We got to get that cleaned up in a hurry.
You know, it's you know, our defense played great last
week and then this week got to be better. And
starts with me bottom line.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
A good lord, I mean, here we go right with
much moistureize how often are we going to continue to
just have to clean things up? And I like Shane
Steikeen too, and I think Shane Steikeen and Chris Ballard.
You look at the percentage for the playoffs, the percentage

(18:18):
chances to make the playoffs. What was it last night
going into it, if they win all their games, eighty
six percent chance to make the playoffs. If they won
last night, it stays at nineteen percent. Now it's at
three percent. Whatever else. The percentage that Chris Ballard and
Shane Steichen are back next year. I thought going into
the game last night eighty five percent ninety percent that
may be in flux a little bit. I still think

(18:39):
they're back, and there's a definitive reason why I still
think they're back that I'm going to get into in
just a couple of minutes, and I think you can
look at precedent of the way things are done within
professional sports and some curve balls that are taking place.
I don't think it's the slam dunk that everybody assumes
it is that those guys are gone. And I'm not

(19:00):
even saying that it's the slam dunk that they should
be gone. But last night what you saw was a
total collapse when it mattered most. And by collapse, I

(19:22):
mean the Indianapolis Colts made a phone call to an
old guy and asked him if he could come in
and try to salvage their season. And he did everything
that you could ask him to do. Yeah, he threw

(19:44):
costly pick, Okay, but the game was over at that point.
Philip Rivers gave them energy. Philip Rivers gave them a
model of an example of leadership and heart. Phillip Rivers
gave them a vibe and a groove, and he gave

(20:06):
them effort. And when they called the old guy and
asked him to do that, everything that he was asked
to deliver he did. But he was then beaten by
the same old the same old all talk, no action,

(20:29):
the same old schematic letdown of not being able to
get to a quarterback, the same old defenses that are
talking about going out and playing at a high level
and making plays and then nowhere to be found, and
the same old in the fact that you're back to
where you once were now in terms of the uncertainty

(20:51):
long term, because when it comes to trying to find
the answers for it, you mortgaged your immediate future for
defensive splash. Who dare I say? Last night they had
a really, really, really good and I appreciate it very much.
They had a really good spread up in the press
box and I was able to enjoy because my favorite

(21:13):
thing in life is barbecue sauce, and I was able
to enjoy some really good barbecue sauce before the game.
And guess what, that's the only sauce I saw in
the game last night. Because the guy they mortgaged the
future for it not his fault again, but he's injured
and at this point, now moving forward, you wonder does
he now become an outlier. There is so much to

(21:36):
unpack from this. I want to get to your tweets
from last night. There were some great ones about your
synopsis of where the Colts are. I want to talk
to you folks as well at two three, nine, ten seventy.
Over the course of today, Steven Holder's gonna join us
and we're gonna break down what this does do in
terms of the future. But I'm gonna get to that
next and why I think it is still the probability

(22:02):
that Shane Stikeen and Chris Ballard returned, and I think
that might be the right idea. I'm going to explain
what I mean by that, and also a course of
action Chris Ballard may have to take. I'll do it all.
On the other side, you were listening on this Christmas
Eve addition, Querying Company ninety three five one oh seventy
five to fan, maybe that's what the Colts should have done.

(22:27):
I liked the Indiana Nights uniforms. They were cool, and
don't think I didn't notice that they're now suddenly using
the subtle Indiana logo within the helmet, just at the
time that there's another team flirting with the state. Bears
ain't coming here. But maybe they should have just gone
with the home white uniforms and even though I realized

(22:49):
they're kind of like road uniforms and gone with that
for Christmas, because what it was last night wasn't working.
Simply wasn't working. Okay, I believe that Chris Ballard may
well be back next year. These things are fluid. I
get it. And Stephen Holder, who's going to join us

(23:09):
in about ten minutes, pointed out that, yes, maybe that
is not as certain as it was before the game
last night. You know what I mean. I mean it
was that bad because that looked like a team mailed
in that looked like a team that didn't want to
add no heart, no heart, I mean they they needed

(23:38):
it at halftime. It wasn't orange slices that were passed
out for the Colts last night. It was an Oil
ten because they were all the ten man no heart,
at least offensively offensively. I listen, I got no problems
with the offense. Thought Alec Pierce was outstanding. Thought Philip
Rivers at one point, Jay and Val vouched for me
on this the second third to Pierce to touchdown. I
turned around to Jamie and I go, he's gonna touchdown

(23:58):
right here to Pierce in the corner. And it was
over the middle. But still they and I heard, you know,
Buckett Aikman talking about John and the tailor not really
able to get him going in the form that you want.
But here's where Chris Ballard may be. And it would
be beautiful for him because it buys him another four years.
But we might be here. Crazy as it sounds to

(24:23):
bring this up, this may be where we are. When
Ryan Grigson took over the Indianapolis Colts as a general manager,
and you had question mark at you know, what to
do with the quarterback because of the Peyton Manning situation.
And then obviously we know what happened there and they
knew they were drafting Andrew Luck and Ryan Grigson looked

(24:45):
at it and just said, you know what, here's the
decision I've got to make. I have players on the
roster that are approaching or over the age of thirty,
and I have a quarterback that is at the start line,

(25:05):
and I don't want staggered stuff, I want same page stuff.
And Dallas Clark was thirty two, and Ryan Dean was
thirty two, and Dwight Freeney was thirty one and Gary Brackett,
I can't remember Gary Brackett was still there, but he

(25:27):
would have been in his early thirties. If you look
at the roster right now, the age of what the
Colts roster is going to be next year, and this
is where it gets significant. Jonathan Taylor will be twenty seven, okay, prime.
Michael Pittman Junior will be twenty nine and having come

(25:49):
off you know, back problems and surgery, Moley Cox will
be thirty three. Quentin Nelson will be thirty. Bernard Rayman
will be twenty nine, believe it or not, hard to believe.
The Forest Buckner will be thirty two, Jermaine Pratt will

(26:10):
be thirty, Zire Franklin will be thirty. And that is
a year where you're waiting to find out just how
strong the Achilles is going to be for Daniel Jones,
or perhaps whether or not Anthony Richardson is your guy.
But all indication is they are totally out on Richardson.

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That's over. It's over, and so you are next year
almost like the Pacers are going through this year. Next
year almost feels like it could be a gap year
for the Colts because I know that Daniel Jones, the optimism,
the thought, the belief, the hope, all of that is
that he's ready to go by say September. But that's

(26:54):
ready to go in terms of full speed practice, right,
And so then you get into okay, you go through
the year to find out who and what Jones is
at that point, and then where do you go from there.
It may be in the best interest of Chris Ballard

(27:15):
to blow it up. It might be in the best
interest of Carli Ersa Gordon to blow it up in
the front office. But I already went over all that
why that may not be as simple as it sounds.
But for Chris Ballard, if he can convince them, and
at this point, one would assume that he can sell

(27:36):
like ice to an Eskimo or you know, catch up
flavored popsicles to people in Miami in white suits, because
he continues to get this amount of time. So if
he can sell them on it, maybe it is time
for not a complete and total reset, but a pretty
clear one. Because the best Grover Stewart. Grover Stewart will

(27:59):
be thirty three years old, and thirty two probably is
around the magic number where then guys start to regress
a little bit, injuries start to step in. And one
thing we've learned from this franchise is that injuries are
literally the kryptonite of the Colts. Other franchises seem to
overcome them. Other franchises seem to stay the course and

(28:22):
then find their way back by having other players that
can come in. But for whatever reason, the area that
Chris Ballard, and what I've always said about Chris Ballard,
give him credit for this, he tells you what he's
gonna do. Oftentimes after a draft, Chris Ballard sits up
there and you're like, you know what he pretty much said,
that's where they were going or in decisions they make. Oftentimes,

(28:46):
I'll give the guy a ton of credit. He's pretty honest,
and we naturally cynically assume that there is like some
sort of cryptic message being said. But when he does
his state of the team messages, usually he's pretty hones
And one area where he was pretty honest was when
he said the thing that most holds him back from
sleeping at night when thinking about building a team is

(29:08):
how to find depth. He's never been more accurate, because
that's the thing that continues to hold them back. They
don't have the depth. Last night, they didn't have the depth,
and they didn't have the effort that defense that was putrid.
Jim Mora will tell you what the defense looked like
last night afterwards. Jim Morra, who had his famous ran

(29:29):
against the Niners, Jim Mora on last night's performance defensively agreed, yeah,
hard argue that Stevenholder ESPN dot com joins us next,
there are three that any member of the Colts defense

(29:51):
can blame for last night's loss. Me, myself, and I
And I don't mean me, I mean they as they
are looking in the mirror, mirror on the wall, like
Daylas soul one said, I thought, personally last night, that
was a defensive effort that was void of soul altogether.
No soul, no heart, no effort, and Rock Purdy was
able to just stand and stand and stand, and like

(30:14):
I said, it was like watching one of the Colts
training camp practices where you sit there and you think,
oh man, this this quarterback looks unbelievable and then you've
got it. You know, your buddy sitting next to you goes,
there's no defense out there, man, it's a walkthrough. That's
what it looked like last night. I thought it was
a horrific performance defensively and the Colts once again. I'm
going to keep using the line somebody said to me

(30:36):
perfect and a year that we thought was all about
an achilles tendon. Actually it's their achilles heel that once
again did him in a defense that was non existent
down the home stretch. Joining me now and feeling free
to disagree with any of that if he so chooses
a Stephen Holder on the Java House peel and poor
guest line Jake twenty five for twenty five percent off
at Java House dot com and Stevenholder of ESPN dot com.

(30:59):
Steve and I thought that was the worst Colts defensive
performance of the year, if not the last two. Your thoughts, that.

Speaker 9 (31:07):
Was epically bad. Yeah, I liked that achilles heel, little
uh little thing there. I think that's exactly true. I
thought it was the defensive effort felt like I'm trying
to think of a you know, a reference point, a
little bit like that Jacksonville game to end the twenty

(31:27):
twenty one season, maybe that comes to mind. That was
the whole team that day, But but I think just defensively,
like no one made a play, no one made a stop.
It was it's gonna go down as I think one
of the one of the more memorable or maybe forgettable
defensive performances, and I think in a long long time

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around here. I mean, it just it was it felt
like they had nothing to play for at times, and
that's just really disappointing. And I get it. Like those
cornerbacks out there, I'm gonna be honest with you, man,
they're awful. They're awful, all right. They shouldn't be out there.
Their practice squad level guys, and that is what it is.
So they had they had nothing really to work with there.

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But at some point, you gotta compete, you gotta fight,
and they didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
But Steven, here's the thing. You know, this is is
a chicken and egg thing. I realize, but when you
have corners that are inexperienced or young or old or
whatever it may be, you can sometimes offset that if
you get any pass rush whatsoever, and they had none.

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None he had all day. I mean, you could have
had their corners last night could have been Champ Bailey
and Charles Woodson or Dion Sanders and they would have
eventually broken down because there was pretty had all day.

Speaker 6 (32:50):
That the.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
To me, why is it that the Colts seemingly are
the last franchise in the NFL to figure out pass rush?

Speaker 9 (33:01):
Well, I don't know what. I don't know what to
I don't know how to answer that question, I guess
is what I'm saying. But I I don't think I'm
surprised by it. I think we we knew that this
pass russ was going to be largely contingent on on
all these guys, you know, contributing across the board, because
they didn't have that one guy who could just go

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get it and take over a game. And and the
problem is that it's been too intermittent among the whole group.
So like you might get one guy that goes off
and has a good night on one night, but you're
not getting that from across and across the board effort.
And that's what it was going to take. They said
this was going to be a group where it's it's
some was greater than its parts. I mean, I think

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they have two primary parts that could individually, you know,
maybe threaten to take over a game, and as the
Forest Buckner who just got back from an injury that
was a really bad injury, more than people realize. And
then the other one is the layout to a lot
who I think is that a fine season? Like he's
gonna end up with like eight or nine sacks or something.
I think it's fine. But that's a guy who is

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a complimentary guy with a good group around him. He's
not going to take over the game. And so they
just haven't had enough, Like they're just too intermittent from
those guys and it didn't work as planned.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Steven, I'm going to ask you about some people and
I want you to tell me well, I mean, I'll
ask specifics about them, I guess. Okay, I'll begin with this.
Do you believe that Philip Rivers? Well, okay, will Philip
Rivers start two more games?

Speaker 9 (34:43):
I think they lose to the Jaguars and he probably
does not start Week eighteen. That's a total speculation, but
that's my thought right now.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Okay, does Anthony Richardson get snaps this season?

Speaker 9 (35:02):
I say no.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
If Riley Leonard well, I guess Philip Rivers would be
there technically, right. I mean They're not going to have
Philip Rivers. He's not going to pack up his stuff
for the week left and head home. Right, He'll be
on the sidelines at the very least.

Speaker 9 (35:16):
Right, I would presume he'd stick around and help Collins
whoever else is there. Yeah, I mean that's my assumption.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, Okay, the Shane Stiken. Do you believe that Shane
Styken returns next year?

Speaker 9 (35:35):
Wow? I felt before last night I would have told
you eighty percent chance, maybe eighty five. I still think
it's likely, but I just think that if you lose

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seven in a row down the stretch, I don't think
anybody is truly safe. So I say probably, but odds
are diminishing with every loss. Chris Ballard, same answer, same answer.
Just as an observer. Okay, look, this is I'm not

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promising anybody anything here, but just as an observer looking
at what I see every day and being in that
building every day, I think Carly Ursay Gordon has been
on board with their plan, okay for the most part,
and it endorsed the things that they have done and
want to do. But the question then becomes, at what

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point if at some point does she lose faith in
that plan and their ability to execute that plan. The
question is are we there yet? And I don't know,
because I will say this, this season just it breaks
all the rules of analysis. There is no rational analysis
you can apply to this season that makes sense. I've

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never seen a season like this, and that's not a defense.
I'm just telling you that it is maybe terrible for
talk radio, but like, this is the most nuanced situation
I've maybe ever seen. You have two seasons in one,
a seven to one team on the front end, and
then on the back end a team that can't win

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a game. I have never seen anything like it. And
I'm not begrudging people from being mad and that mad
as hell and wanting wanting ahead on a platter.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
I get all that.

Speaker 9 (37:35):
I mean, I see the tweets people are, I mean,
they're angry as hell. But I also got to say,
like this this is we gotta take a step back
and very what the hell is this?

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Right?

Speaker 9 (37:44):
What happened here? And I think she Carly Ersay Gordon
in particular, is that kind of person. She's gonna take
a step back and she's not gonna make a rass
decision because that's who she is. So I'm explaining it
to you as she will. She will analyze it.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
I look at it this way, Steven, and I want
and here's what I've said, and I want you to
tell me if you think that they're you know, if
you could see it this way. I lean towards thinking
that Chris Ballard returns and also understanding why he would
return for twofold number one. I the only theoretically the

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only people that would be interested, and I get it,
A job as a general manager in the National Football
League is incredibly coveted. But those that would most be
willing to take that on probably are those that are
still that's a dream job because it's an ascension for them.
They've not done it before. And because you don't have

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a first round pick for the next two years, you
don't have total stability at quarterback, and there are still
a lot of question marks. And so therefore carl Orza Gordon,
I think would know that she probably if she's placing
Chris Ballard, would be replacing him not only with an
unknown for her, but for somebody, with somebody who the

(39:08):
position itself is the unknown. And I think that's a
double edged sword she doesn't want to go into. Does
that make sense, No, it does make sense.

Speaker 9 (39:17):
I would say also that I think the appeal of
the job it wouldn't be as appealing as people think.
And here's why, because I don't know what people think.
But I don't know that the job would be that
appealing because I look at Jacksonville and I get like
Jacksonville they rebooted this year, and Jacksonville was a very
interesting situation. I don't think anybody looked at that job
and said, well, that's that's the job. No one said that. However,

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you could at least talk to yourself into saying, all right,
we got some assets, some money, and we have a
quarterback that if we can figure it out with this guy.
I mean, you know you're a Clemson guy, right, I
mean we know his pedigree, right, If you can just
figure it out, and now he's playing the best ball
seen them play, that that possibility was there was always

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there here. I mean, are you really if you're if
you blow this up and you bring a new leadership,
head coach, general manager, are you going back to Daniel Jones?
Are they rubber stamping that new leadership? Are they rubber
stamping Daniel Jones often achilles injury, or are you dropping
a nuclear bomb in this entire building and starting over
and you are one of the worst teams in the
NFL next year, you want that job, go for it, buddy, right.

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I think that's where they are. That's where they are
if they boot, if they reboot, And that's why I
think I think she tries one more time.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
I think, Steven, that's why I think, Listen, I would
understand if Chris Ballard himself says, you know what, and
I just got done laying this all out, Stephen, next
season and next season, there is question. I mean, we're
assuming Daniel Jones comes back to Indianapolis, Okay, and I
think he I mean, I get it. But and now

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his price tag maybe is not as expensive as it
would have been else wise. But you bring back Daniel Jones,
and you are assuming that you have same player, Daniel Jones,
and that you have it by say October. Well, at
that point you got Jonathan Taylor who would be twenty seven,
Pittman would be approaching thirty, Moley Cox over thirty, Nelson

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approaching thirty, Ryman approaching thirty. At that point to Forrest Buckner.
So do you does Ballard if it's Ballard come back
and say, look, I'm I'm coming back. But I understand
I've got to do a not a control all delete,
complete reset, but at the very least like the Apple reboot,
and wait for the image to come back up. They're

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gonna have. They can't go through this with the same roster. Theoretically,
Am I wrong?

Speaker 9 (41:48):
Well, I think there would have to be like some
significant tweaks. I don't think it's a reboot necessarily. I
think defense, you're tweaking and maybe substantially tweaking, but you
also still have some guys. I mean, your offensive line
is intact. You have you have a good offensive line
to work with. I think, even even if we don't
see Braden Smith's return, I think you have a young

(42:09):
group there. I like Jalen Uh Jalen Travis a lot.
I think I think he is a legitimate fundamental piece
moving forward. For example at tackle. Uh he's played right
tack line left tackle in the past two weeks. Right,
So you have some you have some pieces, some young pieces,
but you also have some veterans that I think that
you you'd retain and then you're hoping that you can

(42:31):
get Sauce Gardener to play like Sauce Gardner for example.
Like I mean that I think the difference between them
being a viable team that could win a playoff game
and and what you see right now, I don't think
it's actually that much if you have good quarterback play,
which assumes a lot about Daniel Jones health, right, But
but it's it's not that far away. But the things
you're counting on are really important pieces that you have

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to that we have to discuss, like is Daniel Jones
going to be Daniel Jones? Uh? Where? What is the
situation which Varius Awards for example?

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Right?

Speaker 9 (43:01):
Let mean if all these guys are out there and
you have the team that Chris Ballard intended to put
out there. I love that team, I do. I like
that team a lot. That's the team that was seven
and one, and I get and you can talk about competition.
I don't give a damn. They were one of the
best teams in the NFL. Are beating people by twenty
one points. That's a great team, right, so they I

(43:24):
think it makes more sense, It might make more sense
for them to try one more time to see if
they can recreate that than to blow it up and
have a two year rebuild with no quarterback, which is
a road to nowhere.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Frankly, Let's say hypothetically, Steven Holder is my guest. He's
on the Java House pelaport guest line, Java house dot com,
by the way, the website for Java House. Steven. Let's
just say hypothetically that Daniel Jones, I mean, knock on
wood here. I'm not gonna say he has a setback.
I don't want to put that in the universe. Let's
say Daniel Jones comes and says, look, guys, I feel good,

(44:00):
but my time is just a little off. I need
another month at the beginning of the year, and Anthony
Richardson is just.

Speaker 9 (44:05):
Say, it's a tough injury.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
We don't we don't even have correct we have a situation.

Speaker 9 (44:08):
Right, It's a tough injury.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
It is. And so Anthony Richardson is the curveball and
all of this. Do you believe Shane Styke and Chris
Ballard are one on the same page when it comes
to Anthony Richardson, Not really.

Speaker 9 (44:22):
I think I think Shane Styken moved on from Anthony
Richardson last year when he benched him, period, That's what
I think. Now, he didn't. They didn't trade him. They
didn't publicly, you know, say that we're moving on from

(44:43):
him for good. They said all those they said the
opposite of that, actually, right, but you benched your fourth
overall pick, you know, halfway through his second season. I mean,
what are we talking about here? Right? Like, what are
we talking about? I think I think it was Claire's
day at the point.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, I mean to me Richardson and I it's boy,
there's just so many variables there, Steven, right, because I
think that they would have liked to have the opportunity,
at the very least to showcase a little bit of
him for his trade value purpose, and now you don't
even have that being the case. Somebody asked me this question,

(45:23):
and I thought it was an interesting question. And you
feel free to tell me if it's the dumbest one
you've ever heard. But I thought it was an interesting question.
If Anthony Richardson now is in a situation where vision
prohibits him from moving forward at all as an NFL player,
could there be a lawsuit against the manufacturer of the

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device that snapped his eye?

Speaker 9 (45:49):
No, idea, I don't think so. I don't think that
is I don't think that's something that's even been discussed.
I would also say, so that would be my answer,
or first of all, I don't think anything like that
has been discussed that I'm aware of now. I would
also add that the vision issue is not unexpected like that.

(46:12):
It was a problem from the beginning in that right eye,
as I understand it, when this incident occurred, he had
very limited, if any vision in that right eye because
of the swelling and the trauma and all of that.
Right so it was explained to him that over time
this will come back and be back to normal. So

(46:34):
my understanding, and I think the assumption is that he
is still on that track and it is continually improving.
I mean, we've seen him in practice throwing the ball
around during individual drills, and he's throwing it fine. He
doesn't look like someone who is who is blinding and eye,
you know, so I have to assume that he has

(46:56):
number one, he has come a long way in terms
of the vision correcting itself, and number two, I think
that process continues. So I don't believe there's a lot
of concern that it won't come back to allow them
to play at an NFL level. But it's not like
we can just rubber stamp anything. When you talk about
vision and a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Steven, Am I too cynical when I say that I
looked last night at a defense that looked to me
like their coaches lost them.

Speaker 9 (47:25):
I mean cynical doesn't sound like you at all, But
I would say I was. I was very shocked by it.
I will tell you that. And to what would you
attribute it? If that was the case? To what would
we attribute it? I don't know. I mean, certainly you

(47:47):
know talent was was was a factor, is no question
about that. From what I know of Luanna Rumo and
how they feel about him, and and the fact that
he's very well respected. I just I don't think it
boiled down to he's lost them, just because I would
be surprised by that.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
But at the.

Speaker 9 (48:04):
Same time, you know, to to take your cynicism into
account and to give it some validity if you didn't
know any better and you watch that, I mean, that's
a fair question, right, Like, like these guys hate their coach, clearly,
that's what it looks like, right. I don't know, man,
I think you just wrong time, right right, wrong time

(48:25):
or excuse me, wrong wrong place, wrong time against the
wrong team. Kyle Shanahan just you know in his bag
those corners overmatched and no pass rush and it can
just unravel really quickly. You know, it really can. It
really can. And that's what you saw last night.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Stephen Holders my guest to ESPN dot com, where you
can read his work. Stephen, what are your Christmas plans?
By the way, not much?

Speaker 9 (48:52):
I mean, you know, just the usual uh by other
people gifts and uh you know, watch them in joy them.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
You know when you were a kid, what is the
Christmas gift that you look back upon now that you
most did your Like literally, you know each year when
you're a kid, there's like one thing you want, right
You're like, oh my gosh, like I'm asked Santa for it.
I'm just I'm all in. What is the one thing
more than anything else that you had the strongest desire

(49:20):
to ever get it for a Christmas?

Speaker 9 (49:24):
Okay, So I would say two different years, I would
say a couple of things. Number One, I wanted the
BMX bike. I don't remember how old I was, but
I wanted a BMX bike. And I got it. You know,
I don't I think it was a huffy. Probably a huffy, right,
I think you know, we're the same age range. You
probably had one totally.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 9 (49:44):
So and of course I am from South Florida. So
in my time, my childhood, at least, you know, in
sunny Florida, Christmas Day, everybody wanted a bike. So Christmas
afternoon you're out there riding bikes. That was the thing.
So so I got that bike one year, and I
think there was another year I wanted the G I

(50:06):
Joe the I think it was the F fourteen jet.
I think I remember getting that one year, and that
was like the best because G I Joe was like
the that was the show at the time, the cartoon.
If you don't, if you've not seen Gi Joe, for
those whipper snappers out there and I don't know, go

(50:26):
find you, Go find you the YouTube dot com.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Did did you get the bike and the G I Joe?
Did Santa deliver?

Speaker 9 (50:32):
I did? These were separate years, but Santa was good
to me. Yeah, came through.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
So what we know is Santa was not a twenty
twenty five Colts defender because when the holiday season came
Santa delivered right right.

Speaker 9 (50:46):
Well, although I could argue that they were actually in
the giving spirit that defense.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
So that is a good way of saying it. That
is an excellent point. Yes, that's a very good point.
Is Alec peers his Alec Pierce played him himself into
big money elsewhere and perhaps even looking at the situation
and saying, why would I stay here if I can
go into a situation with the quarterback that I know

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who it's going to be week in and week out.

Speaker 9 (51:16):
Okay, Well, the thing we know for sure is that
he has played himself into big money. I think this
is maybe not the most popular thing to say around
the Colts facility, but I think he is the Colts
number one receiver. Yes I said it, okay, And people
can do whatever they want with that information. So I
think he's the most versatile receiver they have for sure,

(51:38):
And so I would say that's worth a lot. He
is going to be very valuable and it's going to
cost a lot more than people maybe even realize. I
believe now he loves Indianapolis, he loves Daniel Jones. But
the the question becomes, what does that look like next year?
I mean who's leading the team, Who's who's signing the players,

(52:02):
who's the quarterback? You know, how committed to resigning Alec Pearce?
Are they all those questions I think are still on
the table. I will tell you that there have been
discussions between Alec Pearce's representation and the Colts in the past,
and the indication was that we probably can't afford him.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Now.

Speaker 9 (52:23):
That was before this season, before he took over and
became the player that he has been. So his value
now to them might be such that they have to
go beyond what they wanted to spend. But I don't know,
it's too early to really predict how any of that
is going to go. But he has definitely played himself
into a massive contract.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Okay, lastly, Steven, here we go, Santa's flying around right now,
right and you would think, well, you know, it's amazing.
I think he does a lot of it just in
the one night, right. I mean, like, you know, although
we're two days out, he's got to be Now Australia
is ahead of us, right, so he's got to be
I mean, he's got to be headed down.

Speaker 9 (53:04):
Like it's going to be Christmas Eve somewhere.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yeah, he's heading down there pretty soon here, so let's
just say that the ways is really good for him
and he avoids some traffic jams and whatever else. So
he arrives to Indianapolis a little bit early and he
so he is then able to visit the home of
the following people and ask them specifically, I am Santa.
I am capable of it all, so I am going

(53:27):
to deliver what truly, but I'm Santa. So, little boys
and girls, I know if you're lying. I know if
you're naughty, I know if you're nice. So if you
tell me something and you're lying, I'm going to know it.
So you got to be completely transparent. It's like a
spell of transparency he puts on these people. But he's
going to stop by the house of a couple of
people and once they're over there, shock, He's going to
ask him, what is it in regards to your profession

(53:50):
that you need me to deliver for you? Down the chimney,
we will begin with Chris Ballard. What does Chris Ballard
ask him to.

Speaker 9 (53:56):
Deliver man health for his team health? Okay, because he
designed a lot of players for a lot of money,
and a lot of them didn't play.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Now. The other thing too, is Santa as jolly and
as wonderful as Santa is, and he has the ability
to bring you a BMX bike in the middle of Florida.
Santa's wonderful and he's a miracle ripper. But Santa also,
unbeknownst to many people, Santa does have one nitpick rule
where when he talks to people that know one another,
they can't ask for the same thing. He can only

(54:30):
deliver it to one per person. Right. So therefore, he
goes to Shane Steichen's house and he says, Shane Stiken,
what would you like? What does Shane Styken say?

Speaker 9 (54:40):
Huh a franchise quarterback? And I don't know if they
have that guy or not, but he wants a franchise quarterback. Okay,
he can sure get to five hundred with any old quarterback,
but that's.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Not the goal, Uh, Carli orsee Gordon.

Speaker 9 (54:58):
H a new team. No, that's a great question. I
don't know. I think she I think she just wants
I think she wants wins. She asked for wins, that's
what because she's she's a competitor. And I think ultimately

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that is going to have to guide her, and so
she and Santa will have to pow wow and figure
out how to how to get that done.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
I think, okay, what about this? Santa says, I can
deliver you the wins, young Carly, but in doing so,
I've got to make some changes within the building itself.
It's Carli cool with that.

Speaker 9 (55:44):
I think she is. Yes, that's ultimately the goal.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
You know what? I think Carli Ersa Gordon would ask
for what's that guitars because she just sold all of them.
She didn't have any left. She just needs a guitar, right.
I don't think they've sold them yet though, right, so.

Speaker 9 (56:03):
My understanding is that they are with the auction house.
So h yeah, there's a there's a big pile of
guitars sitting somewhere about to get sold for a whole
lot of money.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Do you think there are people that are like thinking
they're going to be sneaky, like, you know what, I'm
gonna get on that thing when nobody else is looking,
and I'm gonna swipe away Prince's guitar for two hundred
and twenty five bucks. Good look, I do. I tried
doing that with watches. Like every once in a while, I
get on something and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm
in the totally in the running for this, like you know,
vintage watch. And then at the eleventh hour, all of
a sudden, I'm like, oh boy, yeah, now I see

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what happened. Everybody else is teen to it there waiting
until the eleventh hour.

Speaker 9 (56:38):
That's going to be the case here. Yeah, I think,
and I also believe ultimately they would like to sell
this thing in mass I don't think that's going to
be possible, but certainly, like maybe pieces of it, not individually,
but like you know, hey, here's there's twenty five amazing
historic guitars or something. I don't know how it's gonna.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Work, but well, well, Steve, and I know you have listen. Listen.

Speaker 9 (57:03):
It's got to be worth at least a couple a
couple of good contracts. I would think you would.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Say, there's that, Stephen, you have a son and a daughter,
both adults living elsewhere.

Speaker 9 (57:13):
Correct, son is but daughter is still sixteen.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
So yeah, okay, I'm sorry. I was thinking she was
away college. Cool, but who's counting either way. My point being,
I certainly hope that everybody is able to be under
one roof when Santa does bring everything and eats the cookies,
and you mentioned health for the cold's health to you
and your family as well, for a safe and prosperous
not only Christmas, but New Year as well. I do

(57:39):
appreciate all the time that you lend to this radio
station over the course of the year.

Speaker 9 (57:43):
All right, well, sing to you and yours and you
know where to find me in in the year.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah, at a Pacer game, right, that's where.

Speaker 9 (57:50):
Well that we can that can be arranged.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
That's right, all right, Steven, appreciate a happy New Year
and merry Christmas to you. All right, see you soon,
Steven Holder who joins us, and again we'll probably talk
to me between now and New Year's I guess. But
no show tomorrow or on Christmas Day on this radio station.
We will be back with everybody on Friday when we
do return. Some great submissions last night after the Colts

(58:18):
defense basically submitted then it was, and yes there's Pacers
news to get to. Speaking of that, but I want
to get into the comments that people shared with me
of when I asked fifteen words are fewer your thoughts
on the Colts season. Some great answers I'll share them
with you next ton of replies last night when I
asked the question, tell me in fifteen words or fewer

(58:39):
your thoughts on the twenty twenty five Colts through fifteen games.
I'll read some of those better replies here in a
moment before I do that. Here's an interesting question that
I observed yesterday, and I get this. I still and
I do do online shopping. I don't want people to
think I'm a complete but I do still go and

(59:04):
buy things in brick and mortar stores, Okay, and it
does necessitate for me to although I do enjoy it.
I enjoy the as I mentioned before, going to the
mall at Christmas time, and it feels Christmasy to me.
But last night the Colts wore their Indiana Night's uniforms
and it got me thinking, I mean, it is nighttime

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and they were wearing their night uniforms. But when I
was a kid, one of the real treats was and
Kurt Gerald, who's in for Eddie Garrison today, Kurt, you
can fill me in on this if this ever happened
with you. When I was a kid, it was a
real treat. Every so often my mom would maybe do
it every couple of months where we would say what's
for dinner and she'd say, we're doing breakfast for dinner.

(59:52):
Oh that's the best. So you're with me on this, right.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
I will make a three egg omelet, ham and cheese
for dinner at night.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Yeah, so like when you're a kid, you know we're
gonna have pancakes for dinner. I mean, it was like
a real treat, right changer. So I'm cool with all
of that, But I'm curious of this before I get
to the tweets. When I was shopping I went yesterday.
When we got off the air, I had I Typically
by this time of year, I am well done. I'm

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usually done gift wrap, good to go, like a week
to go. But there's been a lot going on this
year and so I've I've been a little bit delayed.
So yesterday I had several things to go get and
at one point I was standing in a store and
it was Mayhem in there, right Mayhem. But I'm standing
in the store and I looked around and I thought,

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I'm the only one here not wearing pajamas, Like, when
did we get to now a place culturally speaking? Where
like I saw a couple. It was a guy and
his wife, girlfriend whatever, and they both were wearing a
cookie mont fleece pajama pants and she had on slippers,

(01:01:03):
literally huge slippers, and he had on crocs. And I'm thinking,
I don't know that I would wear that to get
the mail let alone. It's comfortable, sure, I get it.
But then I just started observing and I literally don't know.
And maybe I've never sounded older in my life, but

(01:01:24):
when did this become a thing where everybody's just walking
out of the house wearing whatever they woke up in.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
I'm not sure. I didn't know you were shopping in
my neck of the woods in beech Rove though.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
I mean I was just in Beech Grove the other night.
By the way. It was awesome night. I was the people,
they were great, fabulous, had a great time. Speaking of that,
I'm going to be this afternoon from five until seven
with Mick Ultra our Mini Hoops Challenge al Emporium Castleton.
Would love to see you from five until seven tonight.
But I literally was like, when did this happen?

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
When I was in high school. I'm not going to
lie to you. It was a trend there you'd wear
surgical pants. I did that, get it? But I mean
grown adults walking around looking like they're having a slumber
party and the big oversized like you know, Kermit the
Frog and Miss Piggy Slippers. To me, that would be

(01:02:16):
difficult just to walk around. I wouldn't be able to shop.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
I'd be too focused on what people were wearing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Also, while I'm on the subject, I've got to say
the customer service. I had to get one thing done
at the UPS store in Noblesville and I was in
there and the three people working and the Noblesville UPS

(01:02:46):
store next to the Kroger. That's not all I can
I mean, I don't know any more specifics than that,
but it was unbelievable how fast, efficient and friendly they
were working. I mean I was like, this is impressive.
And then I had to go to Nordstrom, and the
customer service at Nordstrom, I'm so clueless. I'm walking around

(01:03:07):
and you know, they just say to me like, oh,
can we help you? And I'm like, do I look
that lost? But the customer service at Nordstrom is the
krem de la krem. Okay, here's my question. Asked it
yesterday as the game ended, as I have done for
each and every game this year. Tell me in fifteen words,
are fewer your thoughts on the twenty twenty five Colts
through fifteen games. The most common answer, obviously was just

(01:03:29):
great first half, terrible second half, but for both a
lot of times, for the games and for the season.
This from Anthony Carly for the good of the franchise,
must see beyond the injuries and clean house. This from
Mark and Arcadia. They blackballed Anthony Richardson coach and GM

(01:03:52):
need to go and do a hard reset. My buddy
Chris fully period cooked period mo in Ohio, same story,
different season, Colts of the definition of insanity, over and over. Yes,

(01:04:12):
this from j Marsh. I've got all day to tell you,
but I'm limited to fifteen words. The pass rush still
hasn't reached reached me after my speech. Quitty pay is
still violently locked up in his tackles, fighting to make
his way to the quarterback. But at least he held
his ground enough that the offensive line isn't downfield. Wait
a minute, that's more than fifteen words, Yes it is.

(01:04:35):
Who are we taking with the eighteenth pick? Oh wait, yeah,
that's right. For eight years Ballard showed us what he
is capable of and we never believed him. That from
Eric Tom lots of good players, too many questions at
key positions. Time for a new GM. This from David

(01:05:00):
old Man River kept flowing and throwing. The defense was
a broken dam. That's correct. Like I said, the Colts
went with what was old in Philip Rivers, but it
was the same old that did him in the defense
collapsing at the end of the year. This from Jaylaw,

(01:05:22):
It's had more ups and downs than the beast at
King's Island. Jaylaw, by the way, who I have the
utmost respect for. Jaylaw has in a friend of this station,
friend of JMV. Huge IU football fan. Jaylaw has been

(01:05:42):
very transparent with his cancer journey and has done frequent updates,
and his most recent update last week was that he
got a scan that was not necessarily what they were
looking for. But he is maintaining the same Jaylaw optimism
and is a diehard fan of the Indiana Hoosiers fighting

(01:06:05):
football team. I hope that he is able to enjoy
every minute of that Rose Bowl and hopefully the first
of three wins for Indiana. But most importantly, Jaylaw is
to be commended for not only being just one of
those guys that's a friend to everybody he meets and
a positive, upbeat guy, but one that continues to show

(01:06:26):
and lead the example of perseverance and positivity when those
things aren't necessarily looking back at him. And so he
is one that absolutely I know I joined JMV and
saying I wish him the very best of a merry Christmas.
This from Boiler Tad. Where's Tim Bragg at the postseason
press conference? So we can get him with a playoffs?

(01:06:46):
That is indeed correct, that's a deep cut. Tim Bragg
was the one that asked the question that led to
Jim Mora's famous playoff rant during the same press conference
that had this nugget. And then right after that, Tim's like, well,

(01:07:09):
you probably gotta went out to win to get the
playoffs at that playoffs? Are you kidding me? Playoffs? I
would win a game. Let's win another game. Jeff Morrow
was the absolute best. Scott Agnes joins us fifteen minutes
from now. I'll read you more of these over the
course of the show. Scott Agerson fifteen PACER's news to

(01:07:30):
talk about, including another injury for the Blue and Gold.
We'll discuss in fifteen. Kurt Jerald's spinning all the hits here.
You know this is Wham, of course, George Michael Andrew Ridgley. Kurt,
I would assume that Wham is not within your normal
musical wheelhouse. Correct and just no, just the song, George Michael.

(01:07:56):
It's one of the most fascinating characters. Character is the
wrong word people in music. Based on I've Listen Without
Prejudice is one of the more underappreciated albums. Here is
a Jake Query fun fact. Jake Query fun Fact. I

(01:08:21):
love Guns n' Roses. I've always said Guns n' Roses
my favorite band ever. I love Oasis, love them that.
Going to see Oasis in July with my cousin in Manchester,
England is something that I will literally cherish for forever.

(01:08:42):
It was amazing. Everything about it was amazing, the concert that,
the vibe, the energy, all of it. One of the
best weekends of my life. Oasis, I love Public Enemy,
love them, the Ghetto Boys. I can go word for
word with the Gutta Boys. Base love that. While Era
Music love it. But George Michael, as I've gone back

(01:09:10):
and done just more like listening to George Michael and
reading about him and things like that. Was one of
the most naturally talented musical ears and writers and feel
for music of anybody that we have seen in our lifetime.

(01:09:30):
And that song from Wham is pretty cheesy, as were
a lot of Wham songs. But he had an angelic
voice and could mix music really well. But the thing
about George Michael, to me, that is the most impressive.

(01:09:51):
I read an article about George Michael, who passed away
on Christmas Day, probably six years ago, if I had
to guess the year, but I remember it was on
a Christmas Day. And when George Michael passed, his net
worth was believed to be at about twenty percent what

(01:10:11):
it I'm going to say should have been. He gave
away like eighty percent of his net worth. It's believed
they believe that he may have given away upward of
seventy five million dollars. Because George Michael later in his life.
When I say later in his life, he wasn't an
old man, but before he passed he was kind of reclusive.
But he would read papers, scour the internet, whatever it

(01:10:33):
may be, and anytime that he saw stories of people
that were in plight or in need of help. He
would make anonymous donations. And there are countless stories around
the United Kingdom and the United States and people that
had medical bills or a fire or whatever else and
all of a sudden, like a donation came through and
they're like, what in the world, And it was George

(01:10:55):
Michael was the one that was behind all of it.
I just always thought that was super cool for a
guy that had his fair share of misunderstandings about him
during his life. Pacers and Action tonight they are taking
on wait for it, the Milwaukee Bucks, Miles Turner back
in the mix tonight and last night the Pacers right now,

(01:11:22):
and I get it. I mean this is obviously now
we're at a point in the season where we have
a pretty good idea of what's not going to happen
and the real frustrating thing for Indiana. And maybe it's
a good thing that they have gone through a year
without Halliburton. That's afforded them the opportunity to sit back

(01:11:45):
and just assess. But we are going to and Scott
Agne is going to join us just a couple of
minutes from now. They've got to start making some serious
decisions regarding Jeris Walker and Benda Nickmathern notably, and both
of them are still very young, and Walker in particular
is really you forget how young he is. And Jeris
Walker the unfortunate thing here I go back to again,

(01:12:11):
it's about where you were drafted and how you were acquired.
Because of the investment they put in Jeris Walker, meaning
a top five pick invested to acquire him for that reason,
you anticipate or expect that that means he's going to
be a player, and he is a he shows flashes

(01:12:33):
of it, and ultimately, if he's a guy that can
simply be a steady, inconsistent eighth man, if he can
ultimately be a guy that plays the level of minutes
and the kind of contribution or difference make that say
Obi Toppin did, then that would be good. But it's

(01:12:57):
just so wildly inconsistent. And because of where and how
he was acquired, you expect that he was going to
be a guy that was a starter or sixth man,
and the same would be said for Benetic Mathern. Mathering
to me is the one that really is frustrating and
polarizing because one moment you think like, Okay, there he is,

(01:13:18):
that's the guy, and then the next he has a
game where he is just completely off. And when Matherin's bad,
he's really bad. When he's good, he's pretty good, but
when he's bad, he's really bad. And I still maintain
I've never been more convinced of it. And this is

(01:13:40):
where the Pacers might be hurt a little bit. In
a perfect world, Matherin is or was, the player that
you use to flip into a Turner replacement. So you
trade him for a Turner replacement. In a perfect world,

(01:14:03):
you then use your draft pick, which they brilliantly got
back last year during the finals, and nobody at the
time thought anything of it. But that's going to be
a high pick. You use that pick to draft a
Matherin replacement walker, you know, if you can flip that
into something great. But I think that's where they stand now.

(01:14:27):
The question is you wonder what Matherin's trade value is
going to be because he has been so inconsistent. But
Scott Agnes will join us about five minutes now. I
want to get back into the Colts a little bit,
and then Scott Agnet's going to join its fieldhouse files,
Eddie Garrison putting together the mix Colts Radio Network, Matt Taylor,
Rick Venturi. A couple of clips there from Jim Mora,

(01:14:48):
won from the Diddley Pooh speech when he was with
the Saints. The other the famous playoffs rant where the
Colts had just lost to the San Francisco forty nine Ers.
As a matter of fact, Jim Mora in that rant
basically summarized exactly what I thought about the Colts defensively
last night. It did. And here's the thing, Scott Agnes

(01:15:17):
is coming up just about six minutes from now. Get
into the Pacers. But I wanted to touch on the
Colts one more time with this. What happened last night
at Lucas Oil Stadium was a disappointment, but it was
also an embarrassment. I was embarrassed for them. I was embarrassed,
and I was disappointed in their holiday season. In this

(01:15:38):
the holiday season where we should be getting together and
celebrating great things. And there are great traditions, as I
mentioned earlier in Indianapolis at the holidays, the great Bronze
Cherub that sits atop the Lisentirs clock and shows up
on Thanksgiving night and magically disappears on Christmas Eve the
Soldiers and Sailors Monument and the Stream of Lights, the

(01:16:01):
Circle of Lights to celebrate and indicate that the city
is coming together for the holidays. It's a great tradition.
The Yule Tide is a fabulous tradition presented by ae
Is Indiana right down on the circle now the Carmel
Christmas Market's wonderful and unfortunately one of the one of

(01:16:21):
the traditions at the holidays for the last handful of
years has been the defense of the Indianapolis Colts completely
collapsing down the stretch. And what was disappointing last night
was it all came to fruition for them because the
Colts have spent a number of years now just kicking

(01:16:43):
that can down the road at the quarterback position, and
Chris Ballard kept kicking that quarterback can down the road.
At one point he could have drafted a quarterback, but
they thought they had the guy in Carson Wentz. There
were a number of different things they traded. They mortgaged
their future instead of drafting a quarterback. They sent away

(01:17:06):
a first round pick to San Francisco for DeForest Buckner,
who's been a really good player. No complaints about DeForest Buckner,
a pros pro for sure, But you kne who they
could have selected that year in the first round. A
guy named Justin Herbert who was so promising that the

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Chargers took him and thus parted ways with their legendary
quarterback Philip Rivers, who then came to Indianapolis. But the
Colts when they brought in Philip Rivers and saw that
there was still some fuel left in the tank, they
didn't do enough background to know whether they're getting They

(01:17:47):
were going to get him for two years instead of one,
and he just wanted to go for one. Now, eventually
they'd get year two out of him, and it would
be now when they brought a forty four year old
quarterback to come out there in what almost felt like
a novelty act. But at least it made things interesting.
So Philip Rivers goes out and everybody's tuning in half

(01:18:08):
snickering about it. And you know what in that game,
when Jim Morra was talking about that San Francisco forty
nine Ers game where he said that was a disgraceful performance,
Jim Morra led his press conference that day by saying well,
let me start by saying this, don't blame that loss
on the defense, all right, because he was defending his
defensive coordinator, Vic Fangio at that time. Don't blame that

(01:18:32):
loss last night on Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers, at the
age of forty four, a guy that's old, a guy
that's probably tired, went out there and did everything you
could possibly ask for. You and his receivers played well,
and that offense was fine, and Philip Rivers was energetic,

(01:18:53):
he was engaged, he was a leader, he was invested.
It was the defense that was a total disgrace. They
were old, they were tired, they were checked out, and
they let Rock Purdy, who had been the two hundred
and sixty second selection in the NFL draft, sit back
there and do whatever he wanted. And it showed to

(01:19:13):
Chris Ballard and the rest of the world that you
can have a quarterback that you draft with the last
pick in the draft, and you could make him a
good quarterback if he has time and if you have
depth around him. And he threw last night to a
tight end that he hadn't thrown two since like Week three,
because his starting tight end had been hurt but the
Niners have depth and Purdy had time. Because the one

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area that the Colts have continued to build and build
and invest and invest is pass rush and it's still
totally non existent. And they didn't have pass rush last night.
But more so, they had no heart. And I felt
bad for people that sacrificed their time during the holidays.
That could have been out shopping, that could have been
out at a corporate party. You could have been spending

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time or getting ready to travel to go over the
river and through the woods to grandmother's house. And instead
they sat there and they watched that defense with no heart,
no effort, no idea, no clue, no discipline, and no
game plan. That defense last night, to quote Jim Mora,
that was a disgraceful performance. Disgraceful and Philip rivers deserve

(01:20:22):
better and the buying public deserve better. And now, as
we've talked about for the last two hours, there are
question marks as to where they go from here. But
last night, defensively speaking, the Indianapolis Colts and now I
know players say, you know, they don't read, they don't listen,
whatever else, but they're always seemingly fueled and driven by

(01:20:45):
media that says things wrong and incorrectly. You know what
we said wrong and incorrectly all year long is that
we thought this team had the depth to make a
difference in overcome injuries like San Francisco has done, like
other franchises have done. They don't have depth, and last
night they had no heart, no effort, and no clue.
That was a terrible defensive performance. Terrible, and I feel

(01:21:07):
bad for Philip Rivers because he deserved better. He simply
did Pacers last night, led then game got away from him.
Isaiah Jackson got hurt. There's question as to whether or
not that was intentional, whether or not it was not.
Isaiah Jackson left with the concussion. Rick Carlyle has said
that he thinks it could be serious. But they're in

(01:21:29):
action tonight taking on the Bucks at the Fieldhouse Miles
Turner's return again. I don't think that they'll be doing
a video for Myles Turner. And by the way, leading
up to the game from five until seven o'clock tonight.
Speaking of the Bucks, if you want to go see
them play in Milwaukee in this game rematch in February,

(01:21:51):
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Joining me now on the Java House Peel at Port
guest line he is with Fieldhouse Files. Scott Agnes joins

(01:22:13):
the show. Scott, let's begin with this the Isaiah Jackson
injury last night. I saw him walking off after the fact.
But now Rick Carlisle last night had said that there
was concern perhaps concussion. Do we know what the latest
is in that?

Speaker 6 (01:22:29):
Yeah, the latest is he was diagnosed with a concussion.
Has already Jake been ruled out for tonight's game against
the Bucks, and it makes you wonder about his status
too moving forward with another back to back coming up
this weekend, but they'll have the next two days between games.
But it's even more difficult for them to take at
the moment because Tony Bradley last week fractured the tip

(01:22:52):
of his right thumb. So that's why they brought in
James Wiseman. So now Bradley's limited, we know Isaiah Jackson's
so they're rarely down to Jay Huff and James Wiseman.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
So Wiseman was on a ten day I would assume
that becomes a twenty day now right.

Speaker 6 (01:23:09):
You would assume it will expire before the next game,
so they'll have to make at least one more transaction
before Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Scott one of the things to me that's been frustrating.
And I get that you're going without all you know,
you're going into this without all pieces around them, But
Andrew Nimhard, Jeris Walker been at Maden, those three, the

(01:23:37):
consistency or lack thereof, to me, has been frustrating. I
think nim Hart is another one that has struggled with consistency.
You agree or disagree, I.

Speaker 6 (01:23:46):
Would agree, but I put Matherin and Nimhart in a
category of giving it them all.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
They're all despite their physical.

Speaker 6 (01:23:52):
Limitations, meaning they're not healthy, and they're battling and they
need help from everybody else. And so of those three,
Walker is the one that really strikes me. This is
a breakout type year he could have. The opportunity is
obviously there, and he's only getting fifteen minutes because that's
really all he earns is right now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
And last night again, I mean, I don't know. If
Walker was over, he might have had a field goal,
but he just I I Scott, what is it that
is missing? I guess I would ask, because at times
he looks in flow and he looks comfortable, and he
has you know, he's a bigger body. But at the
same time, you know he can play on the outside,

(01:24:32):
he can at times have touch, but then it's like
things just go too fast for him. What is it
that's missing?

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
Yeah, I think your last point is the number one
thing is his mind gets racing and then sometimes maybe
his mind gets ahead of his body and whether he overthinks,
you know, should he take.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
This three or not?

Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
Or what should he do when he puts it on
the floor. To me, it's the decision making and overthinking.
I think out there and you in some of it
is understandable, right, he sees what we're talking about. There's
this opportunity he needs to prove himself. He was disappointed
not to be eligible for the finals last year due
to injury, trying to make up for lost time, but

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it just hasn't. It hasn't played out as any of
us thought, like all those things that we highlighted during
the draft process which made him an obvious fit for
this franchise, and all the things they talked about, his
defensive versatility, his length, his defense, his three point shooting.
Really all that's shown is is the consistency I think
from his three point shot, although last night he was

(01:25:34):
over four. But it seems like he's had to adapt,
certainly playing a different defense than what he did at Houston,
where he could kind of you know, it's just entirely different.
But here, you're right, Jacob, He's the one to me
that has just not elevated his game to the level
we thought, to the point where I think Johnny Furfey's

(01:25:55):
surpassed him and he's a year behind him.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Yeah, and Furfee, I know that fans love Furfey because
of the dunks, right like in Summer League and that
kind of thing. But Furfy's another one that you can
kind of see now the game starting to slow down
for him a little bit. And I thought initially he
looked like he was playing also like a little oversped

(01:26:20):
But in talking with the Pacers, they love not only
his length, but the fact that he can be quick
release and defensively has a little bit of length about him.
What is the ceiling for Johnny Furfey.

Speaker 6 (01:26:35):
Yeah, I go back to like Mike Dunleavy. That's the
comparison I like to use for Forfere And you got
to remember.

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
Too, he's like he came in as a nineteen year.

Speaker 6 (01:26:43):
Old new to the States and spent one year at Kansas,
So there's going to be more of a growth curve
and more adaptability necessary, I think for a guy like him.
But now in this year, you're totally right, I think
have slowed down. I think he knows a lot more
of what Rick Carlisle and the staff are asking from him,

(01:27:06):
and he's more confident in.

Speaker 5 (01:27:08):
His abilities, and I think you see that play out.

Speaker 6 (01:27:10):
The only thing that has held him back to this
point has been that ankle injury that he suffered very
early in the season.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
Maybe even Game one.

Speaker 6 (01:27:17):
Then he was out for a month, and he came
back and then kind of tweaked it this past week
and it's now having to play through that and that's
all obviously a mental hurdle when these players suffer injuries,
is can they get to their spots and make the
same type of moves when one of your limbs and
his ankle is not completely healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Scott Agnes is my guest Fieldhouse Files where you can
read his work. He's on the Java House Peel and
Poor guest line. Scott. One of the things that was
a positive for the Pacers, and he has been And
I was wrong. I mean I had hesitation about giving
a max deal to Pascal Siakam, partially because of his

(01:27:57):
age and the timelines, and he's been everything and more
that you could ask. So I was wrong there. But
one of the things that is of concern to me,
and I want you, Scott Agnes, to tell me if
I should not be concerned by this. One of the
things that is of concern to me is the fact
that Pascal Siakam, when he arrived via trade, the lack

(01:28:20):
of mileage for his age was a selling point. Hey,
I know that he's this age but or older than
other players, but he doesn't have the number of games
logged in Toronto? Is that getting off set now by
the fact that he is the one guy that they're
having to use thirty five plus a night and he's
having to go at a higher level than if he

(01:28:42):
had everybody around him to lean on.

Speaker 6 (01:28:45):
Yeah, I think it's less the mileage or minutes per
game he's playing right now, and more so how much
is being asked from him within that timeframe, right, Like,
if he doesn't do it, he's got to have that
feel like, all right, well no one else will or
I got to do it at both ends and I
can't take possessions off or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
So to me, it's not the minute.

Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
It's more just the lack of help across the roster
that they're really getting. It's him, it's Natherin, and it's
nim Hard and the rest of the group has kind
of struggled, with a few exceptions from now and then.

Speaker 5 (01:29:18):
Right Furpy had a big game the other night in
New Orleans.

Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
TJ McConnell, you know what you can get exactly from him,
but everybody else A lot of question marks Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
When you were a kid growing up, I asked Stephen
this question earlier. If you were to look back at
Christmases in the Agnes household, you know, each year there's
the one thing that you like. You just you're trying everything,
You're one to every Santa that you've known the man.
You're asking everybody, You're repeating it to your parents, you're
telling your grandparents. It is the one gift you want

(01:29:48):
more than anything in life itself. Give me the gift
at any point in the childhood of Agnes that jumps
out at you as you're like, man, I remember wanting
that more than anything.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
Ooh question, mmm. I think I had a lot of
high hopes. I used to be the guy that had
the long list. Now I haven't even thought, nor have
I even started.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Oh, you're running out of time.

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
Bud Work calls first Jake.

Speaker 6 (01:30:15):
A couple that come to mind, Penny Hardaway shoes back
in the day, that must have been mid probably late nineties,
and probably the other one.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
I think was Oh he was the rival, and I
was so mad that I got it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:29):
I got the N sixty four, but I think I
wanted the other one like a Sega maybe and it
ended up being just fine.

Speaker 5 (01:30:35):
But I remember throwing a fit about that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
So you were a spoilt kid sometimes sometimes and you
were a brat. Is that we're getting at You were
a brat.

Speaker 6 (01:30:45):
I was definitely known for being that until middle school
for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Okay, fair enough with the and we'll do what we
did with Steven Holder earlier. Okay, Santa is he's he's
already know Santa's got to start out down in Australia
and you know down there because it turns midnight faster, right,
So Santa just has he has the night where everything's

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going perfect. He's put it in the ways. Rudolph is
just killing it on the direction. You know, Donner and
Blitzen are on it. And so he's way ahead of schedule.
And he arrives in the United States a little bit
ahead of schedule, and so he knows that he's going
he's going to visit a couple people and he's going
to ask them, I want to know, as it relates

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to your job, what you want Santa to bring you
for Christmas. And he begins at the home of Kevin
Pritchard and he says, Kevin Pritchard, when it comes to
this basketball team, tell me what it is that you
want for Christmas that's most going to help your team.
That would be what.

Speaker 6 (01:31:48):
Let's throw out the obvious jake of good health, because
every team wants that, I would say stability and a
long term piece at the center position.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Okay, okay, so good answer, and Santa that down. And
then Santa gets in his sleigh and he goes to
the home of Rick Carlyle and he says, Rick, you know,
I just got done talking to your friend Kevin. It
seems like a nice guy. The thing is, I'm willing
to offer you the same thing as Santa Claus. However, however,

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I can only deliver one per person. So Rick Carlyle,
you have to say something that is most going to
help your team, but you cannot go with stability at
the center position. Rick Carlile asks Santa for what.

Speaker 6 (01:32:31):
Consistency of their play fair, consistency of their hard play,
because like last night, we saw a solid first half
in a terrible second half.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Okay. Finally, Santa is going to go to the home
of Pascal Siakam and he's going to say, you've been
a very good boy. You've been a very good boy.
Because there are a lot of players that would have
gone to Santa a long time ago and asked for
a trade. There are players that would have gone to
Santa a long time ago and asked, you know, simply why,
but you left me fabulous cookies. You left me really

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good milk. I'm very appreciative. This is a beautiful home
where you had all your teammates down in the off season.
But I'm curious, you passal, what is it that you
would like? What does Pascal Siakam say?

Speaker 6 (01:33:13):
I think you'd say aaron Ne Smith to come back
sooner than later.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
That you know that's not a bad thing. Nie Smith?
Is you play that Jenga right, that wooden block game.
They have it at Drake's. They haven't basically at any restaurant.
You know what I'm talking about. The Jenga I do. Yeah, okay,
Nie Smith is one of those block pieces that is
far more important than probably people realize.

Speaker 5 (01:33:37):
You would agree, Yeah, well for sure at both ends.

Speaker 6 (01:33:40):
In the locker room, the hard plays contagious, yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Okay. Lastly, Santa gets done in Indy and now he's
going to put on an extra layer and he puts
the cute little you know, toppings on Rudolph and the
gang because they're going further north to Milwaukee where things
get very very cold, and truth be told, nobody, you know,
for the obvious reasons. The reindeer they do kind of

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like the bucks, you know what I mean? I mean
it's kind of within the family. But nonetheless, Santa gets
there and he arrives at the home of Miles Turner
and he says to Miles Turner, young Miles, what is
it that you would like for Christmas? You made an
interesting request to the Easter Bunny last year in the spring,
and now it's wintertime and it's my turn. What does

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Miles Turner say, truth be told that he hopes for I.

Speaker 6 (01:34:30):
Think he would say, I already got paid, and if
Jannis wants out, I want to go to a winning
situation as well to maximize the rest of my career.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Okay, fair enough, Scott agnesfield House files where you can
read his work. Always a pleasure, Scott, very you have
big Christmas plans by chance.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Just in town the family as usual, which is which
is awesome. I love it. It's my favorite holiday across
the years.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
Well, I'll tell the neighbors to keep clear in the
front yard for your tantrum if you don't get the
exact specifications of your quest, right that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:01):
Was the only about thirty years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
Okay, fair enough, Scott, Merry Christmas to you man. I
appreciate the time as always.

Speaker 5 (01:35:08):
Hey, you too, the Jake Thanks enjoyed that game.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
Scott Agnes joining us on the Java House Peel and
poor guest line. You know what I have not done today,
and I should have, and I apologize, but I also
was aware that there were some things we were kind
of working through, and I appreciate everybody's patience with that,
and as well our engineers and their work. But two
nine ten seventy is the telephone number, and after a

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game like we had last night, I'm just under the
assumption that people would like to get it off their chest.
Two three nine ten seventy in terms of I asked yesterday,
you know about what people wanted to say in terms
of Twitter and their thoughts from last night, and let
me read you two other really good ones again. Fifteen
words are fewer, is the way I asked it last night.

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I like this from pond Bear went over fifteen words,
but it's good. I think this offseason is going to
look like twenty twelve. Twenty twenty six is I'll say, screwed.
You might as well trade Taylor, Pittman, Nelson, Franklin, any
one of value with a contract is gone. Their careers
are done here. That sounds extreme, but I don't think

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it's totally off base in terms of something that can
be explored. I'm not saying they do it, but I
could see them exploring it. Ross Mattlock, Ross matt eight.
Ross Mattlock has I think the best answer of all

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and I've used it today. Ross Mattlock gets total credit
for it. Achilles heel bigger issue than achilles tendon. That
is so brilliant, Ross, that is so brilliant. And you
all right, the Achilles heel meaning in this case for

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me and all you can come up with a hundred
different things that you think would be the Achilles heel,
But the Achilles heel has been defensively and lack of
late season execution for the Colts. Defense and depth. Those

(01:37:25):
two things have absolutely been things that have done in
the Colts. At this point, Kurtin, did you say that
we have a couple to participate? Are you there? We've
got Moe and Kimball on the line.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
Your choice.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
We will begin with Mo. Mo is exactly what the
Niners offense had last night, plenty of momentum and it
never let up. What's up?

Speaker 9 (01:37:52):
Mo?

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Well, I just got up, you guys. The fan has
been my uh aleixir kind of startup because I got
this morning drowning myself and my orange juice. And I
look across my room and I'm looking at that bottle
of vodka, and I'm thinking, at nine o'clock in the morning,
should I and I passed on it? But they are

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driving me, the cults are driving me in that direction.
It's I don't know what to say a fans. You know,
I bought season tickets for thirty some years, and it
just keeps going over and over and over and over.
I know how you feel about it, but I can
talk myself into all kinds of ways in which if

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they just jettisoned everybody and tried to make it work,
that I can see a way where it could work.
I don't know, but we keep you know, it's that
insanity thing, but you and I keep going over and
it just keeps going on and on and on, and
we repeat ourselves in that everything. Shoot, we even repeated

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ourselves getting fillip rivers.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
Let me ask you this mode, do you ever have
you ever had one of these dreams? And maybe it's
just me and my own neuroticism, do you ever have
a dream where you are like a in a building
and you got to get to you know, a final
exam or something like that. But every you're in a
hallway and every time you try the door, it's locked,
and you keep trying a different door and it's locked again,

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and it's that's what it feels like. It feels like
every combination they're trying to use for the last ten
years is locked.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
And that's the same thing with fandom. You know, I'm
setting around and businesses, they jettison sayings, they start all over.
If you've gone for so long, and all I want
is hope, but it seems like we get into that
part and then we have no hope and and fight.

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I just wanted to see some fight. And that was
so totally disappointing last night with the with the with
the defense.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
So I'm not being too critical when I say that
Defense looked like they had no heart, no hope, no plan. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Oh my gosh. I know when you said something about
watching training camp, and that's exactly what I thought. There
were times when they just looked like they were statues.
They were like them blocking dummies or whatever that they have.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Yeah, I don't mean the word dummy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
I'm not calling.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
No, I know what you mean. They're just standing there right. Wait,
they're just standing there waiting.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Most importantly, sometimes sometimes they double team them, and I thought,
what the heck are you guys thinking?

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Mo, Listen, when it all comes down to it, here's
the thing. Football is a great game, and the Colts
are a franchise that have given a lot of, you know,
joy to people for a long time. And I love
the fact that all we want is hope. That should
be their model for next year. But most importantly, at
Christmas time, it's about health, and it's about family and happiness.

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And I wish you a very merry Christmas for your
entire family. With that, Kimball joins us. Now, Kimball, what's up?

Speaker 7 (01:41:05):
This is your seventy five year old favorite race car driver.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
Seventy five year old favorite race car driver.

Speaker 7 (01:41:12):
Yeah, I talked while back. You call me Charlie Kimball.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
I love it, man, I love it. Yeah. Matter of fact,
now you're still what is it you race late models?

Speaker 7 (01:41:24):
Well right now?

Speaker 9 (01:41:25):
The twenty eighteen dogs Drango?

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
Well, listen, I mean you know there are late models,
whether it be cars or otherwise, you can always be
chasing them down right, I mean, you get what I'm saying,
all right, Kimball.

Speaker 7 (01:41:35):
Yep, Well I'll tell you what everybody's talked about the defense,
So I won't talk about that because that's a dead horse.
But my feeling right now is I feel good for
Philip Rivers. They give him no shot last night, and
he did everything he could. He did, and it seemed
like that we went away from the running game from

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Jonathan Taylor after he got the almost his fifteen hundred
yards and you know, well in they find everybody finally
figured out what to do to stop him.

Speaker 9 (01:42:05):
So other than.

Speaker 7 (01:42:09):
You have to have players to have a defense, I
mean you have to have a coach. And everybody come
in talking about lou or Animo. So he was supposed
to be the savior. Well I don't see it, but
you know I will part with this shot right here,
go Iu all the way. Thanks again, Happy New Year
and a good blessing to you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
Hey man. Happy holidays as well, Kimball. That's our man,
our seventy five year old race car driver. I love it, right,
and happy holidays, And you are right. Do you know
what did you ever think? Did you ever think can
you imagine going on the way back machine at any
point when I say way back even three years ago.

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But can you imagine, certainly thirty years ago, forty years ago,
saying to someone I'm looking into the future. I'm looking
in the future and twenty five and I'm seeing a
city that is still picking itself up and dusting itself
off from being one half away from winning an NBA

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title in Game seven. But they thought that they were
going to find some peace of mind based on the
Indianapolis Colts getting out to a potential number one seed
in the AFC. But when it all went south, it
was all made good based on the fact that they

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would still be a week away from watching the Indiana
Hoosiers as the number one seed in the College Football Playoffs,
get set to beat Alabama and then go on and
for the second time, potentially beat Oregon or Texas Tech,
where Bob Knight would coach after he was fired from Indiana,
and then they'll go on and potentially face the Ohio

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State Buckeyes, who they previously beat at Lucas Oil Stadium
in the Big Ten Championship game. There are so many
elements of that statement that thirty five years ago someone
would have looked at you and without question, without question,
you're in LaRue, Carter or Central State or whatever it

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was open at the time, because people would have been like,
there's no way that none of that is of sound mind,
none of it your continued thoughts on it, if you'd like.
From last night a total collapse, Philip Rivers said something
about where he thinks the colts are. We'll let you
hear it next