Wednesday 10/15/25: Latest on Colts, Reggie Miller thoughts on Tyrese and more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Man, there's a lot to unpack today. We are still
and by the way, I was talking about this pract
dued Michael Young yesterday. And I know that it's like
the lamest, most repeated topic probably, but it occasionally then

(00:20):
pops back up where it becomes forefront. When did we
as a culture or society start advancing? Maybe sports is
the reason for this. Maybe sports in its impact on
the American culture can be seen with no greater example

(00:42):
than what we do with holidays, Because you can ask yourself,
why is it that before we even get to October
there's Halloween stuff all over the stores. Why did we
start doing pumpkin spice stuff when it was still eighty
five degrees outside, before a leaf has turned? Why are

(01:03):
we And I'd like to know somebody send me a
text and or a tweet and or a whatever, an email,
a call the first time that you go into the
store and see a specific Christmas related display. Because we

(01:24):
advance everything, we're in this huge, huge And maybe that's because,
say the NFL set the example, because we can't just
wait for September for games to start. We've got to
do fantasy football drafts and NFL draft and OTAs and

(01:48):
schedule release all of that. Right, We've got to advance,
We got to get We're a now society, Gotta have
it now, got to have it now. And so just
yesterday I'm driving around and I'm like, I don't remember
people decorating their entire front yard like the set set.
I mean, we're ten days into it now, and I'm like, wait,

(02:09):
we're still over two weeks from Halloween. But we want
things accelerated and advanced. We want everything now, which is
not unlike for example, when players are injured, we want
to know immediately and you know when are they back,
When are they back, what's the latest? What are we hearing?

(02:30):
And I understand it as the Colts get set for
the Chargers, and what do we do today? We advance.
We talked for the last couple of days about and
looked back on and reflected on their win over Arizona.
Now we advance and on turn the page almost officially
offish the next week of the NFL, which is the
LA Chargers. We talked a little bit about it yesterday,

(02:53):
but the big question on this day, this humpday Wednesday,
is of course, what is the standing? Where do things
where are we in terms of the availability of players.
Now let's get to this in terms of the Colts
and get afternoon to you. By the way, my name
is Jake, Cory Corbyn Lingoennfelter is back in the mix.
Eddie Garrison on vacation. Corbyn, Hello, please, hello, Jake, thank

(03:17):
you well to the listener, to everybody, to the entire
audience that all are clamoring for the dulcet tones, the
godlike sound of the voice of Corbyn Lingoennfelter.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Right right, hello world.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
I believe Mark Boyle said that you should be doing
voiceovers for the rest of your life, did he not?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
That is right. He also said I'd make James Earl
Jones sound like a pip squeak.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Okay, that's probably true, right, Okay, So let's get you
caught up on who's out before we hear from Shane
Steiken And I'm playing this for you just because literally
it's only been in the last twenty minutes or so
that Shane Stykeen has given these updates. We know that
Kenny Moore has been out and he is a critical
piece of the defense, a backfield for the Colts. He's

(04:01):
probably the most important player because as the Nickel, things
kind of have to shift around when he's not there.
Anthony Richardson obviously we know is going to miss some time,
and now we know how they're going to handle that situation.
Shaverius Mooney Ward, he goes by Mooney. His name is
Shaveria's Ward. He suffered a second concussion. I don't mean

(04:26):
he had back to back concussions. I mean he's suffered
a concussion in the pregame on Sunday, and that is
the second that he has suffered so far in the
last couple of months. And so he is also one
that we are waiting to see. And the concussion protocol
can get tricky and I don't know. I am not

(04:47):
a neurologist. I had to see one a lot when
I was a kid, but I don't know this, and
I'm interested in hearing this from Ralph Frief when he
joins us later in the program. And that is when
you get to a point where you have had concussions
close to one another, does that increase the possibility or

(05:07):
the likelihood or the susceptibility of concussion moving forward, or
delay your recovery from it? Or is everybody different? That's
one of the things I want to talk to Ralph
Reef about. He's going to join us as he's been
doing each week and coming up at one o'clock. Jalen
Jones another one. You know, we forget almost that Jalen

(05:29):
Jones is a critical piece that was going to give
them a lot of depth at that corner position, and
yet he's been out and we keep waiting for when
that is going to get going. So let's begin with
those first three, the big three there. Obviously Anthony Richardson
we know the situation there with the fracture to the
orbital bone, Mooney Ward with the concussion, Kenny Moore with

(05:52):
his injury, the latest from Shane Steiken just moments ago
on West fifty sixth on those three, Richardson, Warred and more.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
As you guys know, we put ar on ir. He'll
miss at least four weeks. I don't have an exact
timetable on it. He'll be in and out, you know,
getting checkups, but he'll still be engaged being meetings. But
obviously I'll have some medical attention and just praying for
a healthy recovery there. Monia is in the protocol, so

(06:21):
we'll see how the week goes, Kenny Moore will return
to practice today, He'll go through some individual and get
him some reps today.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
So got to have.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Him back, Okay. So that's where things stand with those three.
And I think that may mean Kenny Moore will see
whether that means he's a week away from actually getting
on the field in game action or not. But as
he said, good to have him back.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Then you get the other situation at the quarterback position
the Colts yesterday, and it was peculiar because the Colts
yesterday worked out four quarterbacks. You knew going into it
that they were going to have to add a quarterback
on the roster because of the fact that Anthony Richardson
went to IR minimum four games, one would think beyond that.

(07:07):
And you do feel for him, but again, he is
a magnet to the bazaar. That's the one thing that
we now know about Anthony Richardson. But they are in
need of a quarterback. So they go out and they
work out four guys yesterday. And then around the time,
probably shortly after John got off the air yesterday, is

(07:28):
when the news came out that Brett Rippon, whose uncle,
not father but uncle Mark Rippon, was of course a
Super Bowl quarterback in Washington did have a cup of
coffee with the Colts and served as kind of a
veteran mentor to Peyton Manning when Manning was still you know,
everybody knew Peyton Manning was going to take every single snap,
but they went through a series of different veterans that

(07:51):
would be his backup to just kind of serve as
a guide years ago. But Brett Rippen was the one
that was tabbed. And he was not one of the
four that worked out in the holding yesterday, at least
publicly whose name was released, but he was recently released
from Cincinnati. And what's interesting is the thought was, Okay,

(08:12):
so you have Riley Leonard, a young quarterback who did
play well in preseason, and there were people going into
the year that were like, you know what, before we
knew what Daniel Jones really was and we had an
idea of what we've seen from Anthony Richardson, but there
were literally people that I'm not saying I wouldn't one
of them. You know, it's in the back of your

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mind as a fleeting thought of do you just hand
the keys over to Riley Leonard? Now I know that
sounds crazy now I know it, and I hear people
right now, what is this guy talking about? There is
no one that was no I'm just telling you. After
like preseason game number one, there were people that were like,
you know what, they're going to be terrible anyway, Let's
see what they have out of Riley Leonard. That was
a narrative that was out there, and Riley Leonard mobile quarterback,

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not a great thrower, et cetera. But when they signed
Brett Rippen and they go out and they get him,
then you ask yourself, Okay, is this a sign to
Riley Leonard of You're still not there? Kid, You're still
not ready to be a heartbeat away. We're gonna have
to go out and get somebody to immediately vault right
in front of you, because that's where Anthony Richardson was
instead of the natural progression of moving up. That became

(09:20):
the question when Ripping was signed. Here is Shane Steichen
on the pecking order now at the quarterback room?

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Brett Rippin, Yeah, he'll be here later today. He's flying in.
But excited about him obviously a guy's been doing it
for a long time. To the practic squad, Riley will
be our backup this week. You know, I love Riley.
I think Riley's came in with the right mindset from
day one, the way he works, the way he prepares.
So it's a hell of an opportunity for Riley this week.

(09:47):
And then, like I said, he'll be our backup this week,
and then we'll see how everything goes, you know, through
the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Okay, so there's your answer. Brett Rippon is not coming
in to be the backup quarterback. This is not I
mean obviously he wouldn't even know the playbook one would
assume at this point. So he becomes your emergency quarterback now,
and Riley Leonard in fact moves up. Question is, as
I mentioned yesterday, all these other quarterbacks are coming through,
and then you gotta I mean, you got to feel

(10:14):
for the guys that came in and worked out and
thought like, here's my chance, and then Brett Rippin, all
of a sudden is the one that gets signed. Not
to make a huge deal here out of what's going
to be your number three or your emergency quarterback, but
it is peculiar because you end up signing the guy
that is not one you worked out Shane Steichen on
why exactly. They would work guys out and then just
basically go to your fantasy football waiver wire would pick

(10:37):
a guy off a practice squad.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
No, he was just a guy that we had on
our radar and you know, heard a lot of great
things about him. Obviously he had a chance. He was
in Minnesota there for a little bit with Daniel. You know,
Daniel's got great things to say about him, his preparation,
his work. Obviously played some good ball there in Denver.
Boise State guy on my brothers went to Boise State.
They actually my brother. I talked to my younger brother

(10:59):
last night, like, man, I was the ball boy when
he was the QB there. I'm like, I was like,
well you remember you. He's like, oh yeah, so I'm
going to have to hit him up on that one.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
But yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Excited to get him in here and get him learning
the system.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Telling you, man, football things intersect and intertwine. So that
is where things stand over on West fifty sixth in
terms of the health status and those for today. So
let's get to the other topic if you will, that
I was thinking about on my drive in today and
last night. So I think I mentioned yesterday that I've

(11:33):
become a little more intrigued in the Major League Baseball
postseason that I have been in years past, and I've
enjoyed it. I enjoyed watching last night the enthusiasm for
Milwaukee and the Brewers fans. And I think I told
you that I went to a Brewers game this year
when Indy car was there neat Stadium. I love the

(11:56):
city of Milwaukee, but one of the things I love
about the Brewers, even though I'm not saying it's necessarily true,
and even though people that are baseball enthusiasts can nuanced
and nitpick probably complete inaccuracies of what I'm about to say,
the Seattle Mariners the Milwaukee Brewers, in particular, those two,

(12:19):
if you are a passerby window shopper of the postseason,
which admittedly I probably am. Even though I love Dodger Stadium,
even though I love Dodger Blue and the tradition and
the heritage of the Dodgers, Today is the anniversary of
Kirk Gibson's home run thirty seven years ago. Today. If

(12:40):
I'm today or yesterday, I think it was today thirty
seven years ago. Hard to believe it's been that long,
but iconic moments, right the evil Dennis Eckerslee on the mound.
Here comes Kirk Gibson, Vin Scully on the mic, Joe
you know, Jack Buck, not Joe, Jack Buck doing the call.
I don't believe what I just saw. I mean, great

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moments baseball history. And then of course, you know you
can go back further Sandy Kofax and Don Drysdale or
Ron Say, Pedro Guerrero, I mean a million, Jackie Robinson.
It goes without saying the history of the Dodgers. But
the Dodgers have this unbelievable payroll. You know that. For
that matter, the Blue Jays have an unbelievable payroll Top

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five in Indiana. We naturally gravitate towards teams that we
feel build it from like the bottom up and piece
by piece. And there's an irony there because you look
at Indiana football and Kurt Signetti and what they're doing
and the whole state captivated by it. And yet that

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is done with the number of players that transferred in
with Signetti from James Madison. And that was your footprint
right there, your your baseline, and then you add it
onto that. But they they did it still and they
are still doing it with players that you know. With
Indiana football, I mean, even though it's an overnight thing,
it's not like they just went out with blank checks

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and signed away every player from Alabama.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Right And.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I think that we we gravitate towards teams that we
naturally assume are built year by year, piece by piece,
and not bought. And while I have a ton of
respect for the Dodgers, and while the Dodgers are fun
to watch, and I'm watching that game last night, even

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if a baseball enthusiast that knows the nuance in and
out more so than myself can correct me on this,
the perception or the reality or the gut feeling I
think amongst many fans in Indiana is that we don't
like store bought. We like wholesome, down home like Indiana,

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value work hard, piece by piece, and the same as
look at Purdue. What do we love about Purdue being
number one in college basketball? What we love about it
is it's led by a trio of players that are
from right here in Indiana, that went to Purdue, that
committed to Purdue, that have stuck by Purdue and have
been loyal to Purdue, and we appreciate that, and that's

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the value to a great extent of what we want
from our teams and our franchises here, whether you're talking
about Purdue basketball, Indiana football, the Pacers, the Colts, any
of them. And I think to an extent, why we Naturally,
if you are an Indianapolis fan listening to my voice
with no rooting interest, unless you are intrigued by the

(15:45):
history and the clean look of the Dodger uniforms in
Chavez Ravine, and unless you are somebody who as a
young kid fell in love with the Yankees because you
saw those pinstripes and the interlocking in why that is
so famous, you naturally, probably as a Cup fan or
a Red fan, or even a Cardinals fan, you gravitate

(16:08):
towards those teams as much as possible in baseball that
are built from pillars. Which leads us to what I
saw last night and what made me think about it
during the NBA Finals going into it, and I've made

(16:30):
no bones about this fact. In the NBA Finals last year,
I went on this radio station and said, listen, I
am supposed to be a professional. I'm supposed to be
journalistically have integrity about me. I'm supposed to not have bias.
I'm supposed to be able to objectively opine, not as

(16:52):
a fan, but as a broadcast start. I owe it
to the people that listen to this show to know
that when I'm saying something, I'm saying it not because
I have a lean one way or the other, but
because I'm that's what I'm observing, and then I throw
it out there and then people can react on either
side of it. That should be, by definition, the job
that I do. But the reality is when you are

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a sports host a little bit different and we're in
a different era where fandom can can come out, not forced,
not forced, but naturally come out. And I loved the Pacers'
finals run because it allowed for the first time for
me in the twenty plus years that I've been fortunate
and blessed enough to be a sports commentator in my hometown.

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It gave me finally this independence, this freedom, and this
release of you know what, I'm going to be a fan,
and I don't think anybody in this town is going
to hold it against me, because everybody was so captivated
by what the Pacers were doing. But it was deeper
than that. It was deeper than simply being able to
say I simply want now to be shed of this

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burden of objectivity. I want to be able to paint
my face and wear a T shirt that says why
not Indiana, and wear my Pacer shirts to the games
and sit and cheer as loud as can be and
love it and soak it in. I wanted to be
able to do those things. But it was deeper than that.
It was an appreciation and an understanding of who all

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of us are as a people, and who all of
us are as a people. I think in Indianapolis we
all have our differences. You know, if you go to
Ben Davis, you don't necessarily like people who went to Carmel.
If you go to Cathedral, your rival the people that
went to Shatar. If you go to Cecina, your rivals
people that went to Ron Collie. If you're from Zionsville
you want to beat Noblesville. If you're from Beechgrove you

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want to beat Franklin Central. We all have that right,
but we also all have I'd like to think this
understanding that being from Indianapolis and being from Indiana, when
we root for our sports teams. The two things we
want is we want them to have the same fundamental
value that we do, and we want them to have
the same almost chip on our shoulder of understanding of

(19:08):
inferiority complex of we are as good as Chicago we are.
And we got that with that Pacers run. And we
loved it because it was a team that individually were
players that had been cast off elsewhere. I talked about
it a lot during the finals. Tyreese Halliburton, who thought
Sacramento was going to build around him and then turns
around one day and Sacramento immediately dispatches him. Aaron Nesmith

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who gets drafted in Boston and is a lottery pick
and can't get off the bench, and Boston turns around
and looks the other way, et cetera, et cetera. And
we love the fact that those guys collectively came together
and said, it's not about my own personal redemption story.
It's about the fact that we all play on the
same team where collectively we can come together and we

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are Indiana and we have the foundation of what is Indiana.
And so therefore I can't tell you what it meant
to me and what I think it's going to mean
to all of you to hear this. Reggie Miller is
the player that we fell in love with in this town.
Reggie Miller is the player that we put up a
mirror level on the side of Market Square Arena. Reggie

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Miller is the guy that we put his jersey or
his number in his name up in the rafters at
Gambridge Field House because he took on the challenge of
staring down New York and staring down you know, Orlando
or Atlanta or whoever it was, as a representative of
Indiana of we are proud to be from Indiana. It's

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been a long time since from a pro sports standpoint,
we were able to say as a fan base, we're
proud to be from Indiana. And if you don't like it,
then that's your problem, because we ain't going away. And
we loved it. We loved everything about it. And now
we're bigger people, and we got big boy pants and
big girl pants that we pull up because we're hosting
Super Bowls and having all these events. But we've never

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totally lost sight of that inferiority complex that drives who
we are. And so when Reggie Miller, as I talked
about after the Pacers lost the NBA Finals, and I said,
instead of being upset about what we were denied, let's
embrace what we were afforded. And what we were afforded,
and what we were embraced was the face of this franchise,

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the face of this city, rallying around and putting his
arms around everybody and saying, I am one of you.
I put away my Superman outfit to dress like Clark
Kent and sit on the sidelines and wear my Mark
Jackson jersey and whar my, you know, I think ron
our test jersey at one point and sit here and
be a fan and just be a fan and absorb

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it and show that Yes, in fact, I've gone on
to be television T and T Reggie Miller, but I'm
still an Indiana Pacer. And so with this Netflix documentary
that's coming out that follows around Tyre's Halliburton, that followed
him throughout the course of the playoffs, I was a
little luke warm on it. Do I really want to
watch and relive all of that? I don't know that
I do. But then as I was hedging back in

(22:00):
fourth on it and trying to find a reason why
I could be captivated by it on this year that's
going to be disappointing and frustrating and just this mixed
range of emotions because Halliburton's not out there. But then
then again, maybe it's not disappointing or frustrating because I
can see the foundation of what's there that we can
go back to and chase that high again. Then I
see this promotional video that comes out of Reggie Miller

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talking about Tyrese Halliburton and talking about Tyre's Halliburton going
out in Game six with the calf strain, going into
Game seven with the calf strain, knowing what stands there
for the Achilles and what Reggie Miller the first guy
to be able to push out his chest and say,
I want to make the letters that spell out Indiana
even bigger on my chest because I'm that proud to

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be a Hoosier. For Reggie Miller to say the following
about Tyrese Halliburton and the observation of Halliburton in games
six in game seven was what made me think to myself,
that's what it means to be here. Is Reggie Miller
in the Netflix documentary regarding Tyrese Halibert.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
Look at Game six in Game seven of the NBA Finals,
They will never ever be a question of a guy's
heart will determination his game. No one will ever second
guess any decision that he ever makes. Again, he risked
it all. He risked it all for a franchise, for

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a state, for an organization. How many how many guys
in life, how many women in life are willing to
risk it all, risk it all? That this comes back
full circle moment to what's it like to be a
Hoosier and to play in Indiana. I'm not playing for myself.
I'm playing for that dude, playing for that dude. I'm

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playing for these people. That's what it's like to be
an Indiana Pacers. So thank you, Tyrese.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
See, I love it exactly right. I love it. I
don't know. I've never covered the Miami Heat. I've never
covered the LA Lakers. I've never covered the Chicago Bulls.
I've never covered the New York Knicks. I've never covered
the Philadelphia Eagles. I've covered the LA Dodgers, I've never
covered the Miami Dolphins. But what I know is this,
I've covered the teams here, and that's what I love
about it, Reggie Miller saying, this is about more when

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you are a pacer than being a pacer or being
Tyre's Halliburton. It's about representing this state in this city,
which I love with every single fiber of my body.
And that's why that quote is exactly why we love
Reggie Miller and exactly why we love Tyre's Halliburton. And
that same quote about the representation the pride of where

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you're from. And it doesn't have to be Indiana University.
It can be Purdue, it could be No Notre Dame,
it could be Butler, whatever it might be. Gordon Hayward
comes back to Butler, right. There's a reason for that.
It's because we stand true to and loyal to the
people of who we are that have that same pillar.
And that's why in football is such a great story

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because it means that there is a pride and a
push out of the chest for those that are able
to say that they too are part of that family.
And one of those guys is going to join me next.
Chris did want to talk about what Indiana is doing
is a top five program right now in all of
college football. Ralph Frief at one o'clock today loaded show
for you. Over the course of today, we're going to
talk Marion football. At one thirty. Coach Carris is going

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to join us Joel a Ericson to get us up
on the Colts in the two o'clock hour on this
humpday Wednesday, Chris did on Next Querying Company on the fan.
So that fight song is what you hear when the
third ranked team and all of college football takes to
the field. It is the highest ranking in school history
in the ap POL for Indiana after their massive win

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obviously over Oregon on the road. More on the national
perspective of that coming up later in the show. But
I wanted to talk to a guy that I think,
actually just about an hour ago, was able to get
the red and white face paint off. He is a
guy that played four years of football for Indiana, throwing
over thirty one hundred yards for the Hoosiers, and I
know is hyped up about the great start they've gotten

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off to talking about former quarterback Chris did Chris, how
are you do we have Chris Corbin Chrissy there, yeah,
j hear me? There we go? Yeah all right. So
here's the thing, man, you've got to be completely pumped

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up about this, and so I want to begin simply
with this, what is it? What is it about this
team when you look at it that jumps out at
you where you say, that's why they're winning and that's
what makes them different. Is there any one thing you
can point towards?

Speaker 6 (26:46):
You know, that's a great question, and I think it's
a question Indiana fans have been asking themselves really the
last year and a half, probably since the for me,
the UCLA game from last year, and we went out
there and took it to them when I think we
still didn't know what we had and we beat them soundly.

(27:08):
And then we went through the season, started ten and zero,
obviously played Ohio State and struggled, then beat Perdue, played
Notre Dame of struggles. So that last year was still,
you know, a complete euphoria for every Indiana fan and
Indiana football fan out there.

Speaker 7 (27:24):
And then we get to.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
This season and you go through the first three games
expected to win, you win them. You start the Big
Ten season against Illinois, who nobody thinks we're gonna win
outside of you know, the people in Bloomington or a
die hard Indiana football fans and we just blow their
doors off. We beat Iowa, you know, in a very

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tough physical game. And then so we've got a one
thousand pound guerrilla staring at us in Oregon and still
I'm still waiting for.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
That ball to drop and.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
It just hasn't. And we, you know, and as we
I've watched the Oregon game and they do everything right
and they're so locked in, from the special teams to
the defense to the offense. I mean, for us to
be able to run in our kickoff specialist and absolutely
drill a fifty year eight for fifty eight year field

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though that looked good from eighty in twenty four seconds
in a two minute drill, and execute it perfectly. I mean,
it obviously starts with coach Signetti and the culture that
he has just permeated through that entire program in town
and players, and it's it's just there's so many things

(28:38):
I think you can point to, and they just all
add up to a team that executes and if they
make a mistake, they don't blink, they don't care, they
just move on to the next one. In a perfect
example is the pick six that you know that Mendoza
through he came right back. They came right back down
the field. So I don't know if they answer your questions,

(28:58):
but it's so exciting and it's just so unbelievable now
where it feels like we're I think, you know, we
got some respect last year, but I think now it's
more so. People are, you know, the kirk Kirkstrees of
the world. Even Nick Saban. I'm real curious to see
what he says this week on Game Day about us.
But it's just you can't argue with the success now

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in being six.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
To zero and winning that organ.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
You know, Chris to me, Chris Ditto is our guest.
He's on the Java House peeling poor guest line. When
you look at this season and you know, we don't
know where it goes from here, right, but let's just
assume for the sake of argument, that Indiana, you know,
holds serve. I mean, they just overcame a massive challenge
on the road. I think it is possible, and I

(29:44):
want you to tell me, as somebody who has played
in the Big Ten, whether this is there's any accuracy
to this. I think it's possible. We may look back
if this becomes a special year and say that a
real not turning point for them, but important part for
them was the win at Iowa, because you go into Iowa,
that's a tough place to play. They're always well coached,

(30:06):
and and yet that game was they were going to
lose that game, they snatched victory from the jaws of
defeat and the resolve that was shown in that environment,
that to me was kind of the wake up call
that other Indiana teams would not have won.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
What say you, yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
Agree And was talking to friends about that particular game
in how many times in the last twenty twenty five
years have we watched Indiana play as three to three
and a half quarter game against a really good opponent
where it's either on the road or even at Bloomington,
and it comes down to, okay, we've got to make

(30:46):
a field goal and then we miss it, and then
we turn around on defense and we give up a
sixty yard touchdown to lose the game. That where that
scenario is exactly slipped and it's us losing the game
where coach Signetti has created this resolve where again we're
I think when you play that well and you are

(31:09):
so locked in, those mistakes just kind of fall your way.
Just like last year, everything that we needed to go
right went our way.

Speaker 7 (31:17):
It seemed this year, the.

Speaker 6 (31:19):
Iowa game, in the last you know, even two years
ago when it was coach Allen, before that when it
was coach Wilson, it just those types of games. We
would play well for three three and a half quarters
and then figured out a way to lose a game.

Speaker 7 (31:34):
That one.

Speaker 6 (31:35):
We're like, oh my gosh, we just booked Iowa straight
in the eye one in Iowa City, which we all
know is a very very difficult place to play. They
you know, as many times as they blitzed, as many
times as Mendoza got hit right as he was throwing
the ball and the touchdown paths he got hit riters
who's throwing it, he put it where it needed to
be the rest. So I think that's a great point

(31:58):
where now they well, we will all expect them to
go and win those types of games. And you know,
we've got two home games. Two home games coming up
Michigan State, UCLA and then Maryland's not going to be
an easy game. Penn State, that's going to be crazy.
There's a group of my friends and I were going
to Happy Valley for that game. So you know, I'm

(32:19):
sure you know this. The athletic director at penn State
played football in Indiana. We have he's a friend of mine.
So it's in the whole Kurt Signetti ties to Pennsylvania.
So there's so many storylines, and I know you talked
about it this week, and it's just so exciting to
see Indiana football to be the center of the college
football universe right now, because it really is. Is it not?

Speaker 1 (32:41):
No, that's they are the They're the biggest story in
college football right right now nationwide. Write no question now.
So Chris, let me ask you this, Kurt Signetti. I mean, obviously,
you know we can go into his confidence, his bravada,
et cetera. But when you look at this team and
the way that they played this year, if you had
to pinpoint, which of the two things would you say

(33:03):
is more accurate about Indiana. A They are coached in
such a way that they know exactly where to be
at all times, kind of like a Brad Stevens Butler
basketball team, where like they just know where the loose
balls going. Or is it be that this team has
more individual with each player's speed than we've seen in

(33:24):
the past, and thus as a result, they're able to
fly to places before the opposition, like for example, with Oregon,
they out Oregon Oregon with their speed. Is it in
fact preparation or is it a different level of athleticism
that is different with Indiana.

Speaker 7 (33:42):
That's A.

Speaker 6 (33:43):
That's a great question, and I would have to in
my opinion, A. I think that. And that's why I
think it will sustain itself because I think coach Signetti
on down from you know, our offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator
and through the position coaches, they have that team so
well prepared, they scout so well, they appear to have

(34:05):
a game plan that is ready for each individual team
that they play. And while we have great athletes and
we've got obviously what looks like they you know, takes
the rat for example, I don't think he's a first
round draft choice wide receiver. He's probably maybe a third,
four or fifth rounder. He's not he's not the fastest
guy on the field, but he runs probably you could

(34:29):
argue runs the best routes in the country because I
know his nickname is waffle House, and it's true. Every
time you watch him runner out, he gets open and
Mendoza knows where to put it, just like Rooke did
last year. Take agent Fisher, he's not gonna be he's
not gonna vow you at the combine. But the guy
and all three of those linebackers from Elijah to I

(34:50):
can't think of the other two fellows names, but all
three of our linebackers, they're always in the right place
at the right time and they make tackles. Fundamentally, our
secondary is in the right place at the right time.
Defensive line there seem to be you know, first play
the game against Oregon, bam sack. That was just a
four guys rushing they put They kind of set the
tone right there. We didn't blitz anybody. Four guys got

(35:13):
to the quarterback sack. So, in my opinion, which I
think is is will give us a longer upside and
this will sustain itself longer as being more prepared because
you're gonna have great athletes come and go. Like Fernando Mendoza.
He could be the number one pick. He probably will
be a top five pick at worst. That guy's a
bit of a unicorn. He's going to be tough to
replace next year. Although his brother looks pretty darn good. Too,

(35:36):
so while you can, if you can sprinkle in some of.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
Those first rounders and.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
Have a boatload of just nasty, tough nosed Aiden Fisher's
college football players that love playing football, always in the
right place at the right time, coached up, very coachable leaders,
and I mean they've flipped Indiana football in the culture
what seems to be overnight, and we're lucky. I just
feel so lucky to be able to continue to be

(36:03):
on this ride and hope it continues and we keep
all the vultures of other schools away, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
The I mean defensively, You're right, Aiden Fisher has been
a core there, right, But like Isaiah Jones, Kelln Wyatt,
Hardy More, I mean, they got a lot of guys
that are making plays for them, right, Chris, I'm curious
of this, and I want our listeners to get an
idea or a feel for what this means. And I'm
going to lead the witness here with a presumptive answer.

(36:30):
You may not go with the answer I'm thinking here,
but ten years ago, hypothetically, you're getting on an airplane,
you're strapping in guys sitting next to you. He goes, all,
you're a bigger guy. You go, yeah, you know, I
played football? Oh really, where'd you play? Played in Indiana?
You know at that time there was a different You're

(36:50):
a division on college football player's pretty cool, right, and
then you're like Indiana. I'm not saying it had no
disrespect to our era, right right, but is there a
different ooph? Now do you push your chest out a
little more? And do your other teammates push the chest
out a little more? Of you know what? Damn straight,
I played Indiana, you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (37:10):
You know, it's such a funny question and ironic question
because I'm I'm in Georgia right now, down here for
a little bit of work and playing a little bit
of golf, and and I've come to Georgia once or
twice a year for the last ten years. And I
would never wear EYEU stuff, maybe a hat, especially in

(37:32):
the fall, because we all know it's Georgia, it's out,
it's sec country. But every where I go down here,
I have something I you on right now, and every
person or in just about every restaurant or before out,
people will comment, oh my gosh, Indiana, Indiana, you guys
are good.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
You guys are good.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
You guys are for real. So yes, yes, absolutely, I
am so proud of what the program is doing.

Speaker 7 (38:01):
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 6 (38:02):
Ten years ago, I still loved Indiana football. We've had
season tickets for since nineteen ninety six. We go, we've
been going to the games. Sometimes we stay out in
the tailgates and we don't go into the game. Now,
you know, ten years ago we couldn't give away tickets.
It was people would stay in the tailgate. Now, as
you know, and we'll see sold out games. People are

(38:22):
begging for tickets. So yes, I think you'll see more
and more colors Indiana being worn and being in Georgia,
especially where we all know, you know what the Georgia
Bulldogs do, what Alabama does, what the SEC is like,
they know, they know it, they love and they know
Kurt Signetti. And two years ago this wouldn't we would

(38:42):
not have been on anyone's radar or map. So the
only other problem is when if I'm ten years ago,
I'm getting into the plane and somebody's.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Like, wow, you're a big guy.

Speaker 6 (38:51):
They say, well did you play tackle or tight end?
And I have to unfortunately put my head down and say,
actually played quarterback?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, hey, you know, I mean, come on, we're not
thirty anymore, right, I mean, let's be real, that's right. Okay. Lastly,
Chris Kurt Signetti, is he long term in Indiana?

Speaker 7 (39:06):
I think so? I mean I do.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
I believe it. And if you go back, and you know,
I've been fortunate.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
I met him this year.

Speaker 7 (39:13):
I met his wife.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
They seem like they are in love with Bloomington. Missus.
Signetti just seemed over the moon about the city of Bloomington,
the town, how they've embraced her, how they've embraced him.
You know, I think we could lose a defensive or
off our coordinators possibly this off season. But man, they
seem like they're so gelled together as a staff that

(39:39):
it's going to take I think, a special opportunity for
a coordinator to leave. But in my heart of hearts,
I believe Coach Signetti is going to remain in Bloomington
for the next as long as he wants to, hopefully
it's ten years. And then he who you know, he's
got a protege that he wants to give the job to.
And we're building a statue and we're adding on twenty
thousand seats and the rest is history, and we've got

(40:03):
you know, and we're we are one of those football
powers with the new nil. You know you and I
know you've talked about this. You've got to give Scott
Dolson a ton of credit for finding for signetty and
then giving him the resources to run a program that
can't succeed at a top ten or top five level.

(40:24):
And it's looking like we're going to be potentially hosting
a playoff game. Could you imagine Alabama Georgia coming to
Bloomington November right now?

Speaker 1 (40:33):
I think it's the last projection I saw was was Georgia.
You let those Bulldog fans know, give him a map,
give them a map to blooming Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
It's still funny. So down here in Georgia.

Speaker 6 (40:42):
I've got some friends they love Georgia football, and they're like, oh, man,
I don't go to football games if it's less than
fifty degrees. I mean, I just don't know what that
would be like.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Oh well, I'm not kidding.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I know, get him some gloves, man, get him some gloves.
But a lot to be done between now and then, Chris,
will you get back to the golf. I appreciate the time.
We'll talk to you again over the course of the
season and see what happens. Of course this Saturday.

Speaker 6 (41:05):
Love to thank you so much. I appreciate love, thanks
for talking to you.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Football appreciate it. Chris Dido joining us on the program.
We'll take a quick recess and come back. And I
want to piggyback off of something he said about Kurt Signetti.
And then as I mentioned, Ralph Freef coming up as
well as coach Karras from Marion still Joel Erickson as well.
A lot to unpack here day Wednesday on the fan.
I almost feel like with Corbin running the commands while

(41:33):
Eddie Garrison is on vacation. And yesterday we found out
that Corbin Lingenfelter is a fan of like Dean Martin,
Frank Sinatra, you know that like rat pack style music.
But then what did you say is your other music
of choice? Corbyn nineties country? See I was gonna say

(41:54):
that I should just hand it over to you to
edumacate me a little bit about nineties country, although I
mean I've got a east An idea of nineties country.
But and just have you bounce back every segment with
your with Corbyn's music and see how long we can
entertain the masses and then educate myself on nineties music,

(42:15):
because I am the first to admit that I'm a
nineties poser when it or a country poser when it
comes to country music. And that's one of the things,
by the way, that I was thinking about as Chris
Dido was talking about Kurt Signetti. When it comes to
like confidence in bravada and aura, from a coaching standpoint,
it's difficult. That's one of those things that you can't imposter.

(42:36):
I think players can sniff out fake confidence, and they
can sniff out fake tough guy, and it just doesn't
work unless it's legitimate and rooted in authenticity. And I
think you get that with Signetti. I just think the

(42:57):
way he comes off the vada he has, it's, you know,
at first, when he came to Indiana, I think it
was just almost like is this guy? Is this a
like an snl skit? But then I think players figured
out what he's asking and telling me to do is
working and we're winning, and I'm gonna buy into this guy.

(43:21):
I'm gonna buy I'm buying what he's selling and it's worked,
and there is a little bit of me that wonders
like once there might be like some sort of an
unveil of that, does it then completely crumble? But I
don't think so. I think it's long haul stuff. I do,
I really do. Speaking of long haul stuff, one of

(43:42):
the long haul greats is back. I'll let you know
about that, and there was an interesting perspective new pacer
that we have answer on. I'll tell you about both.
Next we'll get some of that news just in terms
of overall some of the injuries that we're seeing around

(44:02):
the NFL. With Ralph Riefkin and join. It's just about
ten minutes from now. If you're just joining the program.
My name is Jay Querry Corbyn Lingenfelter, filling in for
Eddie Garrison. We call this show Query and Company. Here
on ninety three five and one oh seven to five
the Fan. The Colts have a new quarterback, not necessarily
in terms of one that you're gonna see under center,

(44:22):
but Brent Rippen is now their number three quarterback now,
the nephew to Mark Rippon, who was most recently as
Cincinnati Bengal, was decided upon by the Colts after they
worked out four different quarterbacks yesterday. Riley Leonard will stay
as or move up I should say, into the spot

(44:44):
now as the backup, and so Leonard will be the
backup to Daniel Jones. Rippin will be the emergency or
number three quarterback. Anthony Richardson went on IR. That means
minimum four games missed for or Anthony Richardson. So there
is that going on with the Colts. We'll talk to

(45:05):
Joel a ericson coming up two o'clock hour of the
show today. Also the Pacers. It's interesting because I was
walking into the game against San Antonio on Monday night,
and as I was walking across Delaware, crossing the Delaware,
if you will, I was pulling at George Washington crossing

(45:27):
the Delaware, and guy walks up to me and says, hey, Jake,
what are you hearing in regards to and he throws
a player out to me, and I'm like, wait, what
I have not heard? And frankly, I don't know that
I even realized said player was available as a free agent.

(45:48):
But nonetheless, he says, what do you hearing about Russell
Westbrook and rumors that the Pacers might kick the tires
there just because of the fact that they you know,
obviously Cameron Pain coming in. I don't know that I
would list Westbrook as a point guard, but you know
a guy that is a combo player that could have
been somebody to facilitate a couple of voids for Indiana.

(46:11):
Don't need to worry about any of it because he
is now a member of the Sacramento Kings. So Russell
Westbrook signing with Sacramento that news coming out today. Here's
the biggest news of the day before we bring in
Ralph Reef Corbin. I would like to know your favorite
pop tart.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
The sugar cookie one that to come out of Christmas talks.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Okay, So, and I didn't know this. Kele Nova is
the company that makes pop tarts. I just assumed pop
tarts were made by Kellogg's. Maybe this is like an
auxiliary thereof I don't know. They announced today and it's
I did not realize that this one's been gone for
a while. The chocolate chip cookie dough pop tart is returning. Okay,

(46:57):
do we have the breaking news sounder? By chance? This
just in Kelenova, the company behind the pop tarts, announcing
that chocolate chip cookie dough pop tarts are returning to
shelves coming up here in a couple of weeks. They
have not been seen since twenty twenty two. These are
like the Shamrock shakes, the mcribs of pop tarts that

(47:19):
would appear now. I'm curious of this though, and maybe
Ralph Reef when we have them on, can expand upon
whether or not. And I'm not asking him to endorse,
not endorse whatever else. I don't want to put in
a bad position here, but pop tarts now, I don't
know the nutritional value of pop tarts. I know that
the box says that they got all kinds of vitamins

(47:40):
and stuff like that, but they're probably like Flintstone vitamins.
Are they really packed with vitamins? Right? And they've they've
gotten a little bit creative in some of their flavoring.
They've they've done these crossovers with cereals, like there's an
apple Jack pop tart now, and I like Applejacks and
I like pop tarts. I don't necessarily like the Applejack
pop tart, right, but they now are making pop tarts protein. Now, Corbyn,

(48:09):
you're making a face right now, like you're not down
with the pop tarts protein.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I like like protein pancakes. But when I'm eating a
pop tart, the last thing I'm thinking about is how
nutritional and protein?

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah, I think you're just like you're already kind of
making the punt, aren't you? At that point now here,
let me give you the flavors for the pop tart
protein slamming strawberry. That's the classic tart strawberry. I'm reading
this from WTHR. By the way, the classic tart strawberry
filling with frosting and rainbow sprinkles, but apparently with a
little bit more protein. I don't know, uh, boosting brown sugar,

(48:45):
cinnamon again, the gooey brown sugar, cinnamon and a golden
brown coat, okay, and bumping blueberry. So now all they've
done is they've added They're not just adding protein, they're
adding adjectives, because the brown sugar and cinnamon is now
the boosting brown sugar and cinnamon with the protein mix,
the blueberry the bumpin blueberry, and then strawberry is the

(49:09):
slam and strawberry I think I mentioned earlier, and I
was stunned by I mean, I was stunned by the
number of people that disagreed with me on this. I
thought I was the commonplace here when I mentioned a

(49:30):
while ago the last time that we talked pop tarts
on the program, that I eat them without toasting them,
and I thought that was the norm. Like when I'm
on the road and I go to a gas station
or whatever else and I need a snack, I grab
the pop tarts and I break off the side. I
eat that first, and then I just go with it
without toasting it. I don't know that. I've two things

(49:51):
about me that are probably unique. Number One, I don't
know that, and I've said this before. I know this
for a fact. I've never cooked a meal. I've never
like sat down and cooked a meal. But number two,
I've never toasted a pop tart. I just assumed that
they were Like I thought the toasting part was a myth.
I didn't know that people actually do that. But now

(50:13):
when you do so, and I don't know, is protein
toastable protein powder? Can you toast protein powder? With the
new protein pop tarts? See, these are the things that
keep me awake at night at three forty eight in
the morning, when I'm staring at the ceiling and I
think about it. Also, I think about different injuries that
are taking place in sports, and I think to myself,
who would know the answer as to the timetable on that,

(50:33):
which is why we go to the Java House, Peel
and poor guest line where we find Ralph Reef. Ralphreef
dot com is the website for Reef Executive Performance Solutions,
a man that is synonymous with athletic training and has
been kind enough to lend us his expertise from time
to time on this program.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Ralph, how are you hey, I'm doing very well. Jake
and pop Tarts? I would estimate that crossed the NCAA
Division I Athletic departments nutrition stations, I would say that
nine out of ten have pop Tarts available?

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Really is it?

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:13):
So the protein pop Tarts?

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Is this legit well protein if they're boosting the protein
typical pop tarts if I went to the store right
now on bottom, they probably have about four or five
grams of protein. But in sports nutrition dietitians really like
them for the pre activity carbohydrate load. Very high in carbohydrates.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Okay, fair enough, Now let me ask you how does
that mean? Necessarily that? Like when I'm laying around in
some rainy, thirty five degree spitting cold rain, in late
November college football Saturday, and I eat six pop tarts.
That's not necessarily the carbohydrate boost I need in that moment, right, No.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
That would be contraindicator. Well you'd be better off getting
a kin of spam, and.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Well, well we know that that's also versatile, right, different
ways in which I can enjoy it. Okay, I want
to begin with this Ralph. You know the situation with
and again I want to make very clear I'll say
it for Ralph on his behalf here some of the
injuries we're talking about, Ralph is not the trainer specifically
dealing with said player or injury, but more of an overview.

(52:30):
And when I look at Shavari's mooney Ward is his
nickname with the Colts, and the fact that he had
this freak incident that took place where he got a
concussion in the pregame against Arizona. Ralph, but he's coming
off of another recent concussion. Then I became curious, when
you have a concussion, is there a window of time

(52:50):
in which you might be more susceptible to one than
you otherwise? Would be.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Great question, and a standard in sports medicine amongst the
providers is that there's no better prediction for injury than
previous injury, and so someone who's had a sprained ankle
is more susceptible to another sprained ankle. Same thing with

(53:17):
concussion and mild traumatic brain injury as it's referred to
more commonly today. And but those concussions, the accumulation effect
is very, very concerning with in today's medical environment. So yes,

(53:41):
there's there is an accumulative effect that has to be
dealt with in the discussions with everybody involved, all the stakeholders.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Okay, And then with that, you know, I guess the
susceptability is one thing. I guess that the way to
parly that rauph my question would be this, and that is,
and maybe it's a different person to person. Do are
concussions the kind of injury that can compound? In other words,
if you have had one in the past, is it

(54:16):
possible that player a with a might let's say, what
would be considered And I'm not saying any brain injury
is minor, Okay, but a mild concussion could that be
a more severe concern for someone, even if it's been
a long time since they've had one before than somebody
that by all account it is their first experience with it.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Well, you hit a key point, Jake. And where this
becomes somewhat complex is the amount of time between concussions.
And so with this player, he had a concussion that
was on the injury report and I believe missed game
number two, week two after concussion reported in game one,

(55:04):
and so what's that been six weeks ago? Yeah, five
weeks ago, and so so you know we're looking at
a same season, same half of the season. There's the
standards that we go by in the medical field for
concussions is really set by a global concussion Consensus panel.

(55:32):
This was the last one was done in twenty twenty three.
It's referred to the Amsterdam Consensus and had about fifty
people who are involved in that program. It takes three
to five years to pull all the information together. That's
why they're not annual consensus reports. And in that consensus

(55:54):
report on the management of concussions is where the NFL
protocol came from. This five step NFL protocol came out
of the Amsterdam Consensus Convention in twenty twenty three. In
that consensus statement, there was no mention of recurrent or

(56:17):
a timeframe of aggregate kind of symptoms or are you
more susceptible one month, two months, twelve months post initial concussion.
So that has not been addressed because this is an
extremely difficult injury to diagnose and predict, and so what

(56:43):
is the standard? And I'm sure what they are doing
within the colts organization is that they are very much
front and center. A priority is the fact that hey,
five weeks ago, this gentleman had a concussion diagnosed with it.
I have no idea of what his symptoms were, right,

(57:05):
but he went through the protocol fairly quickly to return
in a very short period of time. But that in
itself is not a predictor of this time. And that
goes to your question. So and when you have these
close together, this is where I refer to him as

(57:25):
the stakeholders. The athlete has a voice in this, the
independent neuropsychologist, everybody in between has a sort of comment
to be made relative to this. This is it's hard
to measure, and because it's not like a fracture of

(57:48):
a finger where you look at the X ray and
in three weeks we ct ray again and the fracture
is healing. And we know that we don't know how
to do that with brain injury.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Ralphrief is my guest. He is on the Java House
Pielmport guest line. We're talking about some of the injuries,
including right now concussions within the NFL in general. Ralph,
if there was if you were to pick and maybe
concussions is the answer here. Okay, if you were to
take say one hundred athletes, all of which have been
diagnosed with the same injury of one another, which injury

(58:26):
is the one that would be the most complex and
could have the greatest variety amongst the one hundred different
athletes in terms of recovery, time, treatment process, et cetera.
Is there a specific injury that is the hardest to
blanket statement?

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Well, Jake, that's a great question, and there are a
couple that fall into that category. And these injuries fall
into the category because they are difficult to diagnose, meaning
imagery doesn't show you exactly what's going on. You have
to rely upon the injured person's feedback on how something

(59:07):
feels or how they test on a particular test. And so, yes,
concussion is very high in the really tough to diagnose
and to give a timetable to high ankle sprains is
another one fools us all the time. Is it a

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entry to the inside of the ankle the deltoid ligament.
Is it an injury to the outside, Is it a
Is it just a bad lateral ankle sprain. High ankle
sprains are tough to diagnose because it takes a little
while for it to reveal itself. So the initial pain,
the initial swelling might be truly right around the ankle bones.

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But then as as maybe three, four, five, six days
go past, now the pain is higher into the lower leg,
and so those are really hard. Another one that's not
mainstream by any reasons, but it's thoracic outlet syndrome. And
this is where somebody might complain of neck pain. My

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shoulder hurts all the time, the back of my shoulder.
Sometimes my elbow feels like it's numb. And this happens
in sport a lot, particularly contact hockey, rugby football, where
you have the point of contact on the shoulder and
the side of the neck, and sometimes we get fooled
by this. Thoracic outlet syndrome happens in tennis, happens in swimming,

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and unless you are an experienced practitioner. These things are
missed all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Is there an injury, Ralph, that is the that has
the most uniform treatment? In other words, when you see it,
you go, Yep, I'm pretty certain the timeframe is this.
I'm pretty sure we need to do this because this
one seems that I've seen it a hundred and it
seems to have the most consistency from one patient to
the next.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Yeah, I'll take a lateral ankle sprain every day. I mean,
there's three ligaments on the side of the ankle. You
get an X ray, make sure you don't have a fracture,
and you just the protocol. You just go. And what
I love about them, you can treat those things twenty
four hours a day. You can milk the fluid out

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of the ankle, you can get their range of motion back.
They're very predictable, they're very easy to diagnose, and they
respond to all the tricks of the trade. And so
I'd take a lateral ankle sprain all day, every day.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
And as we know from my own medical expertise on
this show, Ralph, I've mentioned before, we all have four
ankles right, no, right, one on each side on each foot.
I realize there's two. Okay, Anthony richards and Ralph rief
is my guest Jaba house peeling poor guest line Anthony
Richards in in a freak accident. What we know is

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that it's listed as an orbital fracture. Now, Ralph, I'm
smart enough to know this, and that is that you
have the the orbital bone around your eye. Okay. But
when I look at it and feel free, you know,
I can, I hate to say this way, I can
look at a skull and realize how it works. Right,
But like in my case, I have a very large

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bone on my forehead above my eye. I then have
obviously the bone that goes just below it. Does orbital
mean any area of that or is it specific to
meaning top and or bottom?

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Yeah? Think of it this way, that it's a circle,
and the orbital bone is that complete circle.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Okay, all right, So it can be anywhere on there.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
Yes, it can be anywhere on there. And then within
that there is the floor of the eye socket that
there's a bone there as well. And yeah, I have
a lot of questions about this particular injury, not because
of the player and so forth, but the mechanism of injury.

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You know, being a snap back from some type of
stretching cord. And I don't know if it had a
handle on it, if it didn't have a handle, if
it snapped, or if it slipped out of his hands
or off of his foot or you know, there's there's
a lot of questions there. And then where did it hit.

Speaker 8 (01:03:29):
Did it hit.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Directly to the bone and create a true fracture, and
and uh, there's the the ophthalmic blood flow ophthalmic artery
that you know when somebody gets a boxer gets punched
in the eye and they come out and they're just
cruely swollen big time. That's uh, you know, the blood

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flow around it. The orbital artery or the ophthalmic artery
is usually sheared off and it just creates a lot
of bleeding inside and there's not a lot of space
work to go. And so that's one of the issues
with an ophthalmic injury is there's just not a lot
of space for fluid to sort of release itself. Like

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a lateral ankle sprain. Fluid can go down to the toes,
it can go all the way up into the calf,
but there in the eye it's sort of stuck within
that cavity, and so a minor injury can become major
symptoms of blurring of vision due to the fluid. There's
just a lot of different scenarios with this, But for

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them to put him on a four week ie AUR
doesn't surprise me, just from a standpoint of management of
that fracture. Time to get the swelling down, but it
shouldn't affect anything else. He should be able to go
to meetings, should be able to drive, all of those

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kinds of life. Things just can't take a can't take
a hit, and you need to stay somewhat upright. You
don't want to lay flat all day long and allow
the fluid to sit there. So movement is actually good
for it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
So based on the precedent of other situations, there would
be no reason to believe that this would impair beyond
the time period of repair that it would impact his vision.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Correct, That would be my belief, absolutely right. There should
be no impairment to vision long term.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Okay it is, you know, Ralph Fitz. All of it's
fascinating because and I would imagine and you tell me
if I'm wrong here, But even in your vast experience
as a trainer, I mean everything from organizing you know,
the training for the Olympic Games, to you know, all
of the different things that you've done in the different
universities you've worked with in NCAA and everything else. My

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guess would be, and you tell me if I'm wrong that,
even to this day, there are things that pop up
where you say to yourself that actually is a new
wrinkle that I had never seen before.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Absolutely, we're we're challenged with that all the time, and
and and that it might be. Let's take the high
ankle sprain. We think it's a high ankle sprain. All
of a sudden, they have bleeding in their lower leg
in that front compartment where you get shin splints, and
that becomes an emergency situation because blood collects in that

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anterior compartment. And I'm sure there's listeners out there who
know someone who's had anterior compartment surgery to relieve that
the fluid pressure in there so and ts you know
throughst out that syndrome. Ten years ago, we didn't know
what that was. And and uh, you know, the medical
community become become a little smarter all the time, and

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we figure things out, and so yeah, there's there are
new wrinkles constantly, and you're sort of like pregame Colt,
let's go, nothing wrong can happen here. And when I
was working Butler Athletics football, we were out at Drake
for a football game and I actually got injured during

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pregame warm up where an athlete ran backwards and ran
right into my elbow and jam my thumb against my
hip and I tore a ligament in my thumb. So
crazy things happen. And that's an active space before a
football game, and it's fortunate more things don't happen, and of.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Course you know sometimes they can happen when you least expected.
David Bell, the former Warren Central produced star, yesterday announcing
his retirement, saying that he had an injury that blindsided
him that you know he could not run further risk
of it. So it is an ongoing thing with all athletes. Ralph,
appreciate the time as always. I'll let you get back
to your pop tarts, all.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Right, Okay, you take care, Jake, Thank you very.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Much, appreciate it. Ralphrief joining us again on the Java
House Peel and Poor Guest line. By the way, yesterday
I had to I had to do something well, I mean,
I'll just say it. For whatever reason, I guess now
this is controversial now I don't know. But each year
in the fall, I get a flu shot and so
I had to get two shots this year and I
got both of them in my arm and I hate needles.

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And the lady said to me, hey, the one thing,
because I said, you know, how sore is my arm
going to be? And she said it could be pretty sore,
but you want to make sure to drink plenty of
electrolytes and keep yourself hydrated. So thank goodness from Java House,
I had the liquid science I did, actually the arc
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in water. Had several of me yesterday and I was

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stunned because today I got up and was like wow,
like I don't even really necessarily feel like I had
anything done yesterday. I don't know if those two are connected,
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the discount code for twenty five percent off all right. Mary.
In football, a couple of guys being honored for Marian
football and their head coach will join us to talk

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about it. Next big one for Marion coming up this Saturday,
one five kick on the near west side raf of
Cold Springs as it is Saint Francis coming in after
a huge game for Marion that got a couple of
players honored for them against Taylor. We'll get to all
of that with their head coach who joins us now

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on the Java House Peelamport guest line Ted Carris joining
us coach. How are you doing good?

Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
Jake?

Speaker 9 (01:09:29):
Good to be with you this Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Hey, I'll tell you what you guys and I want
to know you know, it's interesting because you go into
this game against Taylor and you're coming off of really
a route right where you're one side, had probably got
a chance to get some different guys worked in, and
then you go into that Taylor game and you want
to talk about a shootout essentially, what did you learn
from your team in a game that had seventy seven

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total points and a couple of guys walking away from
it with some league honors.

Speaker 9 (01:09:57):
Well, in the league honor is great.

Speaker 7 (01:09:58):
You know a lot of great performance just to get
to win.

Speaker 9 (01:10:00):
Keegan LeBell twenty nine attempts two hundred and thirty six
yards rushing, I mean two touchdowns, a great job. Offensive
line did a great job. Isaiah Street on the other side,
defensive Midwest Player of the Week fifteen tackles.

Speaker 6 (01:10:12):
He was all over the place.

Speaker 9 (01:10:13):
Rarely do you see a D lineman notch fifteen tackles.
So he did an excellent job and we started off
good up there. But we didn't have to kill her
instinct early on and it became a shootout. We went
up fourteen to nothing. They have a top ten scoring offense.
They got us on some trick plays, so we got
to have that killer in so we got to keep
starting off strong.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
We got to keep running the football.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
You know, I thought you were pretty balanced offensively as well,
right because and I realized LaBelle was, you know, the
kid out of Mount Vernon was really good for you.
But I thought Tristan Polk also gave you a little
bit of balance offensively. Is that you know, is was
that kind of the way the game fell for you
or was it by design to have that balance?

Speaker 9 (01:10:56):
It's sometimes it falls to you sometimes by design. But
he is really doing a good job, Tristan Polk. He's
being very he's very efficient in the passing game. He's
running effectively when he needs to, He's hitting the open
receivers in the running game, you know, also helps us
in the passing game. But no, Tristan's been having a
heck of a year really stepping up, a great leader
for the team as well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
How are you different than last time we talked just
in terms of, you know, when when you look at
your group, But I think the last time we talked
to you was probably about a month ago. You were
getting ready, I think, getting ready for Indiana wesley and
so you were learning a little more about your team
at that point. But have you had to kind of
make adjustments or is it this is who we are

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and let's just continue to grow in that phase.

Speaker 9 (01:11:41):
Well, I mean for you to ask how we're different, Well,
we got some confidence. You know, that was a big
win to beat Indiana Wesleyan. You know, not too many
teams in Indiana beating him them over the past couple
of years, so that was huge for a confidence level.
But we always improvised an adapt really on a daily basis.
So you know, coach Smith has had you know, seven
different offensive line lineups, you know, due to some injuries

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some guys getting deemed up defense will we changed some things,
so we we we we improvised on a daft really
on a daily basis, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
And listen, offensively, coach is where you guys, you know,
that's the Belkou at least from the outside of what
it looks like. Because Indiana Wesleyan a top ten game
for you there, and you're going over fifty in that game,
fifty eight against Madonna. We talked about sixty nine against Defiance,
So clearly you can put points on the board. My
point being, people that come out in a great environment,
and it's gonna be a great environment on Saturday, they're

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going to see some scoreboard lighting, right.

Speaker 9 (01:12:36):
Yeah, man, our offense is clicking, man. Coach King and
the staff are doing a really good job. The players
are executing at a high level. We got to continue
doing that. I mean we're scoring, you know, about forty
six points a game, which is outstanding, and yeah, we
we have an exciting offense to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
What what jumps out at you about Saint Francis, Well,
a couple of things.

Speaker 9 (01:12:58):
You know, I'm very familiar with this staff as coach Sherman,
you know, helped me build up marrying here on our
first goal around.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
You know, they're fighters.

Speaker 9 (01:13:06):
You know they've been down in some games, but they've
been fighting back every game. And you know they're five
and one as well, so they're a very tough team.
They got a really good quarterback.

Speaker 7 (01:13:15):
They passed the.

Speaker 9 (01:13:16):
Ball well, opportunistic defense. It's going to be a fight,
a three hour fight, which we've preached, you know, all
the time to the guys. You know, you got to
go hard for three hours on that Saturday night or
Saturday afternoon, and that's what we have to do on
the West Side to win this Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Coach, I want to talk to you about Coach Karas
for Maryon is our guest here on the Java House
Peeling Port guest line. I want to go back to
Isaiah Street and kind of what this symbolizes to an
extent because one of the things that I love about
Maryon and I've talked a lot about this, you know,
here's a kid that's from not far away from campus,

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right from Brownsburg, went away to Western Michigan and then
comes back. And so when you have the opportunity for
players that went else where maybe didn't get the reps
they wanted, maybe there were changes, you know, things just
didn't work out for them, and then they get a
chance to come back and come back home. How is it?
What is the challenge from a coaching standpoint of taking

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a guy that has been elsewhere and gone through adversity
and then coming back and having them refocus and rechannel
into but this is what we need from you at
Marion From a team standpoint, and then also from an
individual standpoint.

Speaker 9 (01:14:27):
Yeah, I think it's been pretty organic with each and
every one of the transfers that have done that, you know,
and then we started off, you know, back in the day.

Speaker 6 (01:14:33):
You know, Jeremy Finch was one of our first ones.

Speaker 9 (01:14:35):
Yep, you know that you two different big schools and
he came here. He had a nice twenty eleven.

Speaker 7 (01:14:40):
For us back in the day.

Speaker 9 (01:14:42):
But I think it's on an individual basis, you know,
they went out, they wanted to, you know, the d
one experience. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. But
we got a really good experience here on the West Side.
Play some good football, get a great education, win football games,
and compete for titles. So that's something that usually motivates
a lot of these guys that come back.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
I love it man, Like I mean, like you say that,
and I'm just in you saying that I'm fifty three
years old, I have no eligibility. Well I probably do
have eligibility left, but like it kind of gets me
pumped up, you know what I mean? Like you just
have an energy about you, right, you just have that
energy about you that I can I can hear it
when I talk to you in terms of what it

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means for you. And you're another one that's come back
to Marian right in terms of second stint here. The
program is different now than how it was before for
you in what way.

Speaker 9 (01:15:35):
Well, before we'd never won a title, so we were
always you know, reaching for that goal and then once
we got it, now it's every year the goal is
to get another title and uh, you know, Maryon has
another one after I left in fifteen, and we are
going to honor the twenty fifteen national champs and their
ten year anniversary for this game. But it's just, you know,

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the expectation is that, so you know, we embrace that
and we work towards it every day.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
It is homecoming, It is a one h five kick.
It is University of Saint Francis and Marion finds themselves
now ranked eleventh. Saint Francis comes in at twenty four,
so it is going to be a tilt, and then
Olivet Nazarene right after that, which is also a big
one as well, So you know that's going to be
on the road. So I guess you got to go
one game at a time, but it's a big one

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coming up on Saturday. Coach certainly wish you the best
of luck with it.

Speaker 9 (01:16:26):
Well, thank you, Jake, We appreciate it. It's going to
be a freak show on the West Side for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
I love it, man, that's the freak show on the
West Side. I love it. Big time scoring and again
an offense that is clicking on all cylinders. We talked
about it. Their balance, they can run, they can throw,
and Saint Francis is going to be a challenge as well.
Then Olivet Nazarene and then Saint Francis, Judson and Saint
X of Illinois to round out the schedule before the
NAIA playoffs. For the Marion Knights, I want to get

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back into something speaking of college football. I'm sitting there
and I'm scanning last night late watch the TV show
a streaming show that I'm curious if I think I'm
the only one watching it. And it got done, and
I'm sitting there scrolling through my phone reading stuff, and boom,
I hear somebody talking who I like, and he's talking

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about something that catches my ear, and I say to myself,
it's still surreal to me that this is a national
topic of conversation that's happening right here in our backyard.
And it was three p forty eight last night during
about of insomnia when I discovered it. But I'm gonna
share it with you next. Okay, Corbyn is just part
of your Can I guess the artist with each of these?

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Go ahead?

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Okay, now I'm going to show. I mean literally, people
are gonna laugh at me because and I don't dis
I used to not be a huge fan of country music.
And then the more I heard it, the more I
was like, you know this, it just feels like summertime.
That's what I do like about it. So I'm cool
with it. Right, It's just not necessarily my immediate wheelhouse.
But can let me hear a little bit more of this?

(01:18:02):
I realized there's like probably some YouTube violation or something here.
But let me hear a little more of this here. Well,
I can't hear the fellow singing. I'm gonna go with
how old is this guy?

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Oh, he's probably in his late forties early fifties now,
and this is from when that song round ninety five.
I'll go with Keith Urban. Is this a mainstream artist?
He had like one really good song, but other than that,
nothing really initials. Please ce a. He has a bar

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down town here here right off of Meridian. Go ahead,
hit me with it. It is Clayton Anderson.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Oh well, I mean I should have known that that's
JV's buddy. Yeah, I thought that was when you were
playing that, I just assumed you were going with Yeah,
I know the hell I should have done that. Clayton
Anderson's great dude, and he's got not just the one
down there, but he's gonna do it the same I
think in Broaderpool and plays a ton of different things
and is obviously on with Jamie all the time. So
I apologized to Clayton Anderson. And I did not know

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that that was him right there, although I only heard
like three seconds of the song for what it's worth,
But really good dude from right here in central Indiana.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
All right, So.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Yesterday I'm sitting there, I'm scrolling through and I stumbled
upon the and I've always kind of liked RG three,
you know, I don't know as a player, I thought.
And it's interesting because I remember when he entered into
the NFL along with Andrew Luck, and there was a

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lot of discussion between the two as to which one
was the rookie of the year. And I remember doing
a radio show and having a guy on from Washington
and we kind of debated it back and forth, and
to me, it was a no brainer that was Andrew Luck.
But RG three was a really good player and obviously
a dynamic Heisman Trophy winner, a guy probably that listens
to a little Clayton Anderson from time to time. And
he's got a podcast out of pocket with RG three

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and in it. And I assume this is from yesterday,
but certainly from since Saturday. He is a guy that
you know, played at a big time program, played at Baylor,
Wana Heisman, has been in the NFL, and certainly knows
the game and would have no reason to really give

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props to a school like Indiana that, as we talked
about earlier with Chris Ditto. I thought it was interesting
when Ditto said, you know, look, I'm traveling right now
and I'm in Georgia, and I don't usually wear like
an Indiana hat or an Indiana shirt, And He's like,
and now I'm wearing it all the time because I'm
proud to be like, you know, somebody that played football

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in Indiana. And RG three apparently is totally on board
RG three. Robert Griffin, iid the Out of Pocket podcast,
was talking about his overall observations of college football and
lo and behold, lo and behold RG three. Let me
ask you this, who do you believe is the top

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team in the land? Who is the best Ohio State?
Ohio State's right number one? Ohio State, Ryan Day, defending
national champs, Talent all over the place, five stars galore.
How can anybody top Ohio State? But RG three, you
tell me who's tops in the land the country?

Speaker 10 (01:21:26):
In curse Signetti has them playing Indiana is the best
team in the country. In curse Signetti has them playing
at a high level. And I understand people are wary
because of last year they got blown out in the
College Football Playoff, and that makes you hold that against them.
But they went on the road and beat Oregon, who
I had ranked as the number one team in the

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country going into this week, in front of a sold
out crowd. That to me, if you want to be
the man, you gotta beat the man, and Oregon was
the man in Indiana did it? Ohio state number one
in the ap pole. And yes, they're the reigning national champions,
and they have looked impressive this year. But I do

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believe Indiana is the best team in the country because
of the way they beat Oregon.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Now, he was so emphatic about it that he even
hiccuped at the beginning and said it twice. Indiana number
one in the country. Now. The one thing you can
say to that, the one thing you can say to
that is well, wait a minute. By his own admission,
a week ago, Oregon was the best team in the country,

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So then you could say, okay, So if Indiana went
in and beat Oregon, then yes, the rationale is Indiana's
number one. And I like the fact that he is
giving them their props of hey, they have the most
impressive win in college football right now. They do. However,
do we question his assessment of what means what makes

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somebody number one if he thought Oregon was number one
and not Ohio State to begin going into that game.
But nonetheless, I think when you look at it, and
there is whether you believe it or not, there is
a bias towards name recognition in Indiana to a lot

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of people. Even with everything that they do, is still
going to get hesitancy from some folks because and I mean,
I understand this, it's Indiana, you know, kind of like
when you, let's be real, when you buy a pair
of Adidas or you buy a Polo whatever it might be,

(01:23:52):
and you buy it at a discount store as opposed
to Sacks Fifth Avenue. It's the same shoe, the same shirt,
it's the same quality, but there's this stigma of yeah,
but it must be like an outdated version or there's
got to be something like I'm gonna look and see
if there's something irregular about it, because why did it
end up at a discount store? Is it a year

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old version? Is it like a twenty twenty three model?
Like what's the deal here?

Speaker 6 (01:24:17):
Why?

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
And I'll just tell everybody I bought it at Sacks
Because name clout branding goes a long way and the
branding of a Georgia we still think and it is
surreal to me. Believe me, Believe me, when you think
on paper, Ohio State's a little different because there's familiarity,

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because it's a Big ten team. But I will be
the first to admit and Indiana fans probably gonna hate
me for saying it. Perdue fans are gonna hate me
for saying it. Notre Dame fans are gonna hate me
for saying it. I won't admit to the fact that
there is to me a bit of a bias and
just a fear factor, for lack of a better phrase,

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about the SEC, because when I think of the SEC
and I think about now Texas, this year has been
a whole different mystery. But you know, Georgia, Alabama, even
Old Miss, even though Old Miss is kind of the
penn State of the SEC. I mean, they do this
every year. You get excited and then reality eventually kicks in.

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But all of those schools and programs you're talking about,
one hundred thousand people at night under the lights, national television, drunken,
rowdy listen. I I went to a Tennessee game against
South Carolina fifteen years ago a night game seven thirty

(01:25:42):
kick Tennessee was in a it was the end of
the full matter of fact, it was the game that
I think probably was the end of Phil Folmer's time
at Tennessee. South Carolina came in and beat them, and
it relegated Tennessee into I think they ended up going
to like the Liberty Bowl, you know, in Tennessee was
accustomed to. It was an insult to go to the

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Citrus Bowl, and they went even lower than that. But this,
even in a down Tennessee year, raucous environment, one hundred
thousand people and I'm watching just the build up to
the game, and then I actually watched a co ed
puke from the walkway like four floors up, like leaning

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over and like people are celebrating it, and I'm just thinking,
this is a whole different animal. And it was an
awesome environment. I mean, the checkerboard, everything else, I mean,
it was Knoxville was electric. But my point being, even
in the SEC, even in down years, you're not going,
yeah and't getting some afternoon game against Minnesota or a

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crowd in Rutgers. Every single game you play in the SEC,
you are going up against It's you against the world. Literally,
it's you against the world, and so there is a
branding that comes with that. There's this expectation, in my opinion,
in my thought, in my mind, in my association that
at Georgia or an Alabama, or a Tennessee or an

(01:27:13):
LSU that they are just on a different level. And
it is still to me surreal, admittedly to think that Indiana,
the fighting hoosiers of Indiana, have gotten themselves into that realm.
It does feel very strange to me. Back into the cults.
What Shane Steichen had to say about Who's in Who's

(01:27:34):
out for their game coming up this weekend, and I
will tell you about the TV show I watched last
night because it does have a sports theme. Next, Who
do We Got Here? Tracy Bird? Say again Tracy Bird,
Tracy Burke Okay, Bird Bird like the Flying Things? Okay?

(01:27:58):
And how Big a Star is Tracy Bird? I mean,
I'm totally opening myself up for people to mock me,
right because I'm I don't dislike that style of music.
I just was never that into it, especially back then.
How big a Star is Tracy byrd.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
The mid nineties, he was pretty big, but as we
got into the later nineties. He kind of fell off
the face of the earth flip the wing? Did he? Sure? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
All right? Shane Sdiken has a new quarterback in the mix,
and by that I mean not really, but we'll get
into that in a second. Speaking of new quarterbacks, I'm
curious if anybody else I've mentioned this before, is anybody
else watching Chad Powers? Am I the only one watching

(01:28:51):
the show? This chair is really noisy. By the way, Corbyn,
have you seen Chad Powers? Like the first two episodes?
Liked it or didn't like it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
I liked it, but I hate when streaming services do this,
they release them a week or two out of time. Game.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
I want to benjum j no, you're not wrong, and
I'll tell you what. Here's the problem with what you're
talking about. And you see this a lot with these shows.
A lot of times stick as another example where they
have a show and you like it, but then they
have not necessarily been they haven't been picked up yet

(01:29:30):
for another season, so it's during the time that you're
watching it where they then get the go ahead to
do another season, So then you have to wait several
months and by the time and you either this happened
to Me with Ozark with Ozark, which was a great show.
I loved Ozark, and I can't remember how many seasons
Ozark was, but the last season of Ozark there was

(01:29:54):
a sizeable gap before it was released. And Ozark is
a show that there were so many characters in intricra
seasons storylines that it was easy to lose track of
it all. So when I went back to watch the
final season, I watched like the first episode and was like, wait,

(01:30:14):
I don't remember who now? Who is this guy again?
And and so I just I completely lost attention span
for it. Dead to Me is another one where the
same thing happened. I mean, I really loved one of
the seasons and like Benje watched it, you know, one
of those like I've got to get to bed, but
I gotta watch another episode and then yeah, I had
to wait forever, and then by then it was kind

(01:30:35):
of out of sight, out of mind. So Chad Powers
for those that are unfamiliar, and I'm it is it's
like Saved by the Bell. It's so bad. It's good,
it's very likable. It's totally hokey, it's totally campy, it's
totally unrealistic. But Eli Manning and Peyton Manning and Omaha Productions.

(01:30:57):
Eli Manning is one of the producers for it. And
if you're not familiar with the folks, that's on Hulu
and it is. There was a couple of years ago
a skit where Eli Manning went in disguise and went
to I can't remember what school it was and acted
like he was going to be a walk on quarterback
and the coaches knew who it was, but you know,

(01:31:18):
all these players were like, who is this dude? Like
he's just thrown it on a rope like you know,
sixty yards and whatever else, and then they unveil and
show that it's actually Eli Manning. So it's based off
of that, and the plot of the show non spoiler
alert is a quarterback at Oregon who's a big time
player and then he kind of falls out of favor,

(01:31:40):
his eligibility is up, and he then figures out a
way to basically miss his doubt fired, disguise himself in
a water boy type situation and then go to a
small school and try out as the quarterback and walk
on to the team as the new quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
That's the you know, that's kind of the storyline of
all of it was at Penn State where Eli Manning
went and did and punked them. Basically, yeah, okay, so
this this particular show. Anyway, last night there was a
new show that was out and I watched it and
it's pretty enjoyable and I actually now there's kind of
a hook a tease if you will, for another episode,

(01:32:21):
and I'm actually looking forward to it. So we'll see
what happens with the show itself. But when it comes
to quarterbacks and quarterbacks that people are surprised when they
show up, you know, perhaps that was the thought for
the Colts because of the fact that they held and
we now know Anthony Richardson on ir relatively assuming that

(01:32:43):
Daniel Jones stays healthy, relatively insignificant in the grand scheme
of things, because of the fact that Daniel Jones is
going to be get the guy taking all the snaps.
But they worked out yesterday four quarterbacks. After working out
four quarterbacks, they then decide to sign Brett Rippon, who

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most recently was in Cincinnati was released there. His uncle
Mark Rippan was of course a great quarterback in the
NFL that played in the Super Bowl, was a backup
for the Colts for Peyton Manning at the twilight of
his career, and the question became, okay, so does that
mean that Riley Leonard, who a lot of people at
the beginning of the year were like, let's see what

(01:33:26):
Riley Leonard could do, before we knew just how good
Daniel Jones, for example, was going to be. The question became, okay,
so Riley Leonard. If they have Riley Leonard in the
mix and Anthony Richardson is on IR and then they
go out and they get somebody, does that mean that
Riley Leonard still waits his turn as a young player
and Brett Rippan, now all of a sudden is the

(01:33:48):
guy that, because he has had starts in the NFL,
that's who you go with and that's your backup? How
is that going to work out? Shane Steichen did exactly
dress address. I should say exactly that here is Shane
Stikeen on the fact that they had four quarterbacks yesterday
that worked out. Brett Rippon was not one of them.
But that's who they go with. But what does it mean,

(01:34:09):
Shane Steiken, now that you've signed Brett Rippen on Riley Leonard,
and which one becomes the primary backup.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
Yeah, Brett Rippan, Yeah, he'll be here later today, he's
flying in. But excited about him obviously, guy's been doing
it for a long time. To the practice squad. Riley
will be our backup this week. You know, I love Riley.
I think Riley's came in with the right mindset from
day one, the way he works, the way he prepares.
So it's a hell of an opportunity for Riley this week.

(01:34:38):
And then, like I said, he'll be our backup this week,
and then we'll see how everything goes, you know, through
the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Now. The other question was this for Shane Steiken with
Anthony Richardson and the injury to the eye and then
and we know what that means. And Richardson is a
guy that was not going to be taking snaps unless
something happened to Daniel Daniel Jones regardless. But you have
other key injuries for the Colts, and when you think

(01:35:06):
about going up against Justin Herbert and the offense of
the Chargers and the challenge thereof, and I listen, I
love Justin Herbert and Jim Harbaugh and his ability to
kind of awaken quarterbacks. You know, Herbert is a player

(01:35:28):
that Jimmy Johnson has said if he had the number
one pick right now in the NFL. This was last
year he said this, but the guy he would select
would be Justin Herbert to lead his team. Big arm.
He was the first guy Justin Herbert that I ever
heard the term arm talent. And we we like his

(01:35:49):
arm talent. What do you mean, like it comes out
and it plays the violin, No, no, no, arm talent.
You know, you can throw the ball from any number
of ways across the field, lombat, whatever. But health has
been at times a challenge for Herbert and then just
getting that offense going with with Jim Harbaugh. But you

(01:36:09):
know that there is a challenge there in trying to
slow down that passing game for the Chargers. They have
not protected Herbert well, but he still can put the
ball where it needs to go. So then you wonder
about Mooney Ward notably who had the freak concussion take
place in the pregame against Arizona, Kenny Moore who's been out,

(01:36:32):
and then you have Jalen Jones that you're still waiting
to get back as well. So a lot of areas
of health here is Shane Steichen on updates on a
trio of players and who we may or may not
see on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
As you guys know, we put ar on ir. He'll
miss at least four weeks. I don't have an exact
timetable on it. He'll be in and out, you know,
getting checkups, but he'll still be engaged being meetings. But
obviously I'll have some medical attention and just and for
a healthy recovery. Their monia is in the protocol. So

(01:37:04):
we'll see how the week goes. Kenny Moore will return
to practice today. I'll go through some individual and get
him some reps today, so I'm going to have him.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Back, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
So that's where things stand. Joel Erickson coming up about
twenty minutes from now. We'll get even more on the
expectations for Sunday with the Colts themselves. But I mentioned
this earlier when when we talk about the Colts and
you look at sports in general, you know, the Colts

(01:37:39):
are I think for a lot of people, this particular group,
it it endears. We're in you know, we find it
endearing and we did as well. When if you look
in this town at the greatest teams that we've seen,
the teams that we have most celebrated. There are really

(01:38:03):
three that come to mind. The Peyton Manning era Colts
because they won a Super Bowl, The Reggie Miller era
Pacers because that was the first one from an NBA
standpoint that broke through. And yes, obviously the ABA Pacers
it goes without saying. And then the NBA Pacers, and
then the Pacers group that we currently are seeing, and

(01:38:29):
now this Colts team in terms of this surprise and
where they are and one of the things I think
that makes us different. It makes Indianapolis different, and it's
why I'm the first to admit I could not do
this job in Tampa. I couldn't do this job in Phoenix.

(01:38:51):
I couldn't do this job in Denver because I can't
go in and speak to what it means to be
a native of those places. I can't speak to and
I think you can you can sometimes since through it
when people are trying to be a part of it
or trying to say they know the fabric and the

(01:39:14):
foundation of something if they don't organically, and in this city,
the thing that makes us unique. We have a lot
of differences in this town. We have a lot of
backgrounds in this town, and we have a lot of
challenges as a people in this town certainly, But one

(01:39:35):
thing that for the most part bonds us all is
we all have within us the same understanding of what
it means to be part of and from this town.
And we don't have the skyline of New York City,
and we don't have the beaches of Miami, and we

(01:39:57):
don't have the weather of Los Angeles, and we don't
have the mountain of Denver. But what we have is
still a pride about being from Indianapolis. And we respect
and we admire and we appreciate when the teams that
we pull for have that same foundation. And that group
that I'm talking about with the Reggie Miller era Pacers

(01:40:20):
did not happen overnight. They drafted Reggie Miller, they drafted
Rick Smiths, they drafted Dale Davis, and we watched it
all come together, and we watched these players that took
one step and then another step and then another step
year by year, and that's why we fell in love
with it. And the Peyton Manning era Colts. Peyton Manning

(01:40:42):
as a rookie threw for more interceptions than anybody in
the history of the league. As a rookie, Peyton Manning
as a rookie won three games. And then they drafted
Edwin James, and they drafted Dallas Clark, and they drafted
Dwight Freeney, and we watched it come together and we
loved it because we saw this group of players that

(01:41:02):
bonded together like those Pacers teams partially based on wanting
to prove people wrong. And that's what we in Indiana
like to do. We like to prove people wrong. When
we go somewhere and we say we're from Indianapolis and
be like, oh, any no place, Like no, no, no,
I'm going to prove you wrong. It's a cool city.
We have a lot to offer here, We have a

(01:41:23):
lot going for us, and this particular Colts team. Yes,
I realized that Daniel Jones was a free agent signing.
He was not organically grown and watered and planted here
in Indianapolis. But he's proving people wrong. He's coming here
after being dispatched by the big Skyline of New York

(01:41:45):
and it's like he's going to come here and prove
them wrong. And the Cults organization is proving the Giants
wrong and Michael Pittman Jr. Big LA guy, but he
comes to Indianapolis and he plays through injury, and he
throws a block to free up Jonathan Taylor, and he

(01:42:07):
gives up his body and his own glory at times
for the better of the team to prove people wrong.
And the Pacers roster of a year ago that went
to the finals. And it's why I said, I literally
was willing to sacrifice and punt and give up my objectivity,
my professionalism of being able to just come out and

(01:42:29):
say I'm not a fan of a team. I'm rather
here to sit here and say here's what happened in
the game last night and let you folks then determine
whether that was right or wrong. And with that Pacers group,
I was liberated. I was like, this weight came off
of me when I came on the air and said

(01:42:49):
I'm going to root for this team outwardly and I'm
going to cheerlead for this team outwardly because they are
this close to an NBA title and they make me
again proud to be from here. And I bleed the
torch anyway, right, But it was a group made up
of Aaron Nesmith. I mean, I've gone over all of it,

(01:43:10):
and I went over all of it during the finals.
It is a group of players that was made up
of and come together to prove people wrong. Obi Toppen
wanted to prove wrong that the Knicks didn't use him enough.
Aaron Nei Smith wanted to prove wrong that the Boston
Celtics buried him and didn't give him the right opportunity.
Tyreesse Haliburton wanted to prove wrong that the Sacramento Kings

(01:43:31):
aired in making him think he was going to be
a cornerstone of their franchise and then going in an
opposite direction and sending him elsewhere. And each of those
players came together collectively to say, we are going to
come together for the betterment of a team as opposed
to individual and that's what we love and ask for

(01:43:53):
of our teams. And it's why, for example, in the
Major League Baseball playoffs, I'm watching last night, and you
know Toronto. I mean, I like the Blue Jays, right,
but the Blue Jays have the fifth highest payroll in
Major League Baseball, the New York Yankees and the Boston
Red Sox. Unless you are a fan of one of
those two teams, you probably root against them just because

(01:44:16):
of what it stands for. The Los Angeles Dodgers, I mean,
the best player in baseball, show Yatani plays for him.
You know why, because they said, here's like three hundred million,
just come here and we'll even defer it if we
have to. Who cares? And their payroll is astronomical, and look,
we can envy that. And I'm not saying that we
don't to an extent, but we like foundation of principle

(01:44:39):
and morality and togetherness. It's what makes us different as
a city than a lot of places, Like we don't
have the glitz and glamour of the other places, but
we have the fact that we appride in to an
extent an inferiority complex about being from Indiana. And it's
what I love about Jim Miller. And it's why if

(01:45:03):
you have not heard this yet, you're gonna love it.
And if you have, you're gonna love it even more.
The second time or the third, Tyree's Halliburton during the
NBA Finals had and I was concerned about it. Open disclaimer,
I was concerned about it. I'd been burt, I'd been
burt in this town. I'd been burnt by Paul George,

(01:45:25):
who didn't have what I'm talking about and wanted to
go elsewhere. I'd been burnt by Victor Oladipo, who didn't
have what I'm talking about and thought he had outgrown Indiana,
even though it was the place that he was able
to make a name for himself collegiately and then even professionally.
Then all of a sudden, he's on the mass singer
and he's a big star, and he's putting out albums,

(01:45:46):
and he's going down to Miami to rehab, and he's
not coming back to stand on the sidelines with his teammates,
and et cetera. Okay, and all of those things. Oladipo
got too big. Paul George got too big. I remember
asking Paul George when he first started to hit the
on the scene of the NBA and raise eyebrows about

(01:46:06):
his skill set and his promise. And here's this kid
from Riverside at Fresno, California, you know, et cetera. And
he comes here and I say, are you aware of
the fact that you're basically blowing up before our eyes?
And he's like, I am, I am aware of it,
and it didn't take long before Paul George. He's not
a bad guy, nice guy, but Paul George didn't have

(01:46:27):
it in him. He needed the glitz and glamour elsewhere.
But Reggie Miller out of UCLA drafted to Indiana, and
I said during the finals, the thing I loved about
it is Reggie Miller finally was able to, in fact,
let the rest of the world know. I realized that
after playing for Indiana for eighteen seasons and leaving Indiana

(01:46:48):
and becoming a big TV star and going on T
and T and working for T and T and doing
games on the sidelines and becoming their chief guy, at
his core, he's still deep down, was never able to
completely shed internally the fact that he was a Hoosier,
and he understood and grasped and saw what it meant

(01:47:10):
to have that morality, that principle, that foundation of the
togetherness of this town. And finally, during the finals, he
was able to say, I'm going to surrender my objectivity,
I'm going to embrace my fandom. I'm going to let
the entire world know that when it comes down to it,
I am still proud to be an Indiana pacer. And

(01:47:33):
he's on the sidelines and he's cheering, and they're playing
Hoosiers on the JumboTron, and he's standing up and he's
leading the crowd, just like a typical fan, except for
the fact that he's sitting courtside with his kid, wearing
his jeans and a Pacer jersey, cheering on that team
a year ago. And while he's doing it, he is
cheering for Tyrese Haliburton, who has a film crew follow

(01:47:53):
him around for a show that's going to be released
on I believe it's Netflix, but a show that is
following around Tyre's Halliburton. And I thought to myself, Oh gosh, no,
not with Tyre's Halliburton. Please don't let him become Paul George.
Don't let him become Victor Oladipo. Don't let him like
when Paul George went on late night television dressed like

(01:48:15):
Michael Jackson from the Thriller video and I thought, oh,
my gosh, here it is. This is the beginning of
the end. He's gotten too big for Indiana. He's too
big a star. He's got a stylist. Now, don't let
it be Victor Oladipo. He's going on the mass singer
and his releasing albums, don't let this film crew ruin
Tyre's Halliburton. And then last night I see the sneak
peak clip from it of Reggie Miller talking about Tyre's Halliburton,

(01:48:40):
and it is glorious.

Speaker 5 (01:48:42):
Look at game six, in Game seven of the NBA Finals,
they will never ever be a question of a guy's
heart will determination his game. No one will ever second
guess any decision that he ever makes. Again, he risked
it all.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
He risked it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:04):
All for a franchise, for a state, for an organization.
How many guys in life, how many women in life
are willing to risk it all, risk it all? That
this comes back full circle moment to what's it like
to be a Hoosier and to play in Indiana. I'm

(01:49:24):
not playing for myself. I'm playing for that dude, playing
for that dude, I'm playing for these people. That's what
it's like to be an Indiana Pacers. So thank you, Tyrese.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
Love it. I absolutely love it, And I think there's
a lesson to be said there. Now. When you say
risk it all, I mean we obviously hope that Tyress
Halliburton is going to come back and as he said,
he's going to do everything he can to get back
to what he was before, and we don't know how
his body's going to respond to that and risk it all.
I mean, it's not like it was a life or
death situation, but from a career standpoint, it may well

(01:49:57):
have been. But I think there's something to be said,
there to be had right now from Reggie Miller and
that standpoint of the fact that it's not about me,
it's about that teammate, and it's about the people of
Indiana and being an Indiana pacer. And Reggie Miller, who
is a global icon, Olympic gold medalist, television analyst, at

(01:50:18):
his core still is an Indiana pacer. And we in
Indianapolis can learn from that because we have our differences,
and we have our different opinions, and we have our politics,
and we have all of those things, but at its core,
when it comes down to it, the one thing that
intertwines all of us is we're all from the same
place and it's Indianapolis. And those guys came here and

(01:50:42):
saw it in us and said I want to be
that way too, And that's why those two guys and
the story remains to be told on Tyre's Haliburton and
where it goes from here. I get that, but I
love the fact and will forever love the fact that
Reggie Miller gets it. He always got it, and he
still gets it, and he passed that torch and that statement,

(01:51:06):
and I'm here for it. Joel Erickson joins us next. Now,
I do know me a little bootscot and boogie. I
do know this one? Is this Brooks and Done?

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
What year are we talking in this? Ninety two? Ninety
one something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
Oh it's slipping me. I think ninety two.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
When I was in college, I had some buddies that
were big country music guys. So I certainly know that song.
Joining us now, and I'm sure thrilled to be doing so.
Based on that introduction on thee the Java House Peel
and Port guest line, he is with the Indianapolis Star
Colts beat Ryder. You hear him a lot on this
radio station. Joela ericson joining us, Joel, let's get to
the meat and the matter first, and that is we

(01:51:49):
played it earlier. Shane Steiken talking about from a health standpoint,
does it look like other than Kenny Moore. Really, anybody
might be making the trip back against the Chargers, but
let's begin with that. Kenny Moore, do you expect him
to be available on Sunday?

Speaker 7 (01:52:05):
You know, he was doing a little bit more than
I was expecting today at practice, so maybe that's a
good sign in terms of him. In terms of him
being out there, we only see the individual period that
they did a little bit of team stuff at the end,
and I felt like he was doing some stuff. So
maybe maybe that's a good sign for Kenny Moore getting back.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
I'd like to know this, who do you think right now?
Like Jalen Jones for example. You know, he's a guy
that we almost forget about. I hate to say that
because he's a good player, but you know it's been
so long, right, do we have a timetable on Jalen Jones?
And then I'll begin with that. I got to follow
up timetable on Jalen Jones?

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
What do you think?

Speaker 7 (01:52:45):
Yeah? I I asked that and didn't really get much back,
which is generally not a good sign in ms of
in terms of getting him back, I keep thinking that
he's healthy. Jalen Jones is the key for this secondary
totally heard so much, but but it just doesn't seem
like he must have really got that hamstring pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Okay, so the better question is this healthier or in
more pristine shape shape Jalen Jones hamstring right now or
Joli ericson last night in the fifth inning of the
Brewers Dodgers game.

Speaker 6 (01:53:19):
Jalen Jones.

Speaker 7 (01:53:21):
Jalen Jones, I was like his his was the hamstring,
and me was like the existential realities of baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
That's where I was.

Speaker 6 (01:53:30):
I was in.

Speaker 7 (01:53:30):
I was in like the I was I was way
too deep.

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
So your Brewers fandom is what on a one to
ten scale, I.

Speaker 7 (01:53:39):
Think most people would say at ten, Yeah, like I know,
I know the guys that they call up for three
days and I watch That's That's pretty much what I
watched during the summer on TV if if you let me,
if my family doesn't have anything else to do, as
like six planes go over head here at the Colts facilities,

(01:54:02):
that's that's what I'm watching. I probably watched parts of
like one hundred games a year, if we're being honest.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
But by the way, just so you know, Joel, you
ready for me to introduce you to something that your
life will never again be the same. There's there's an app. Okay,
I've got an app on my phone called plane Finder.
Are you familiar with plane Finder?

Speaker 7 (01:54:21):
I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
Now it's not as it's not as relevant over there
off of Eagle Creek Airport because those are just little
like crop dust or private planes, those kind of planes.
But you know, maybe I'm the only person and I'm
going to change the lives of at least one person,
the life of at least one person listening right now, Joel,
and there's only four listening, so I've got a twenty
five percent chancer. So the plane Finder app. Let me

(01:54:44):
ask you this, Joel Erickson. Have you ever looked up
in the sky and you just see like one like
a tracer of a plane, like way up there, and
you're just like, I wonder, like where's that plane going?
Has that ever happened to you?

Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:54:56):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
So Planefinder is an app that literally you look up
and you're like, oh gosh, look right there, and then
I play every time, like I see one of those
planes up there and I'm like, I wonder where that's going.
And then I look it up and I'm like Oh wow,
that plane's going from Oakland to Baltimore and it just
happens to be flying over Indianapolis right now. And then
I envision like there's some you know, somebody out there

(01:55:18):
climbing over somebody to go to the restroom, and you know,
they're handing out cokes and whatever else, and it fascinates me. Now,
does this make me weird?

Speaker 7 (01:55:25):
No, because like you're telling me this, and another another
one of these cop dusters goes over. How many of
these do they send off?

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Well, there's a lot of crops right.

Speaker 7 (01:55:35):
Uh, it's like the fourth one in like last thirty seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
They know you're on the radio, right.

Speaker 7 (01:55:42):
The thing about this is if you shouldn't have told
me about this, because my house in Fishers feels like
it's part of one of the I don't know, approach
lanes or whatever is the Indianapolis Airports place take over
my house all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
At night at night every because I know this because
Shannon's would be right directly in the past. I know
where you live. The beer ferry once told me where
you live, right, and so I have a general idea
of the vicinity, and it's the FedEx planes at night
I'm telling you, it's just one after another after that, right, Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:56:14):
Uh okay, yeah, No, they're going, They're going all night.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
Hey, Is this match up with the Chargers the best
thing to happen for the Colts to try to reawaken
consistency with their pass rush just because of an odd
susceptibility on the offensive line of Los Angeles.

Speaker 7 (01:56:30):
It depends, I think, on whether or not Joe Alt
is back. I have not seen a Chargers practice report
today yet, but there was some talk that maybe he
could be back from his high ankle spring. He's very good,
and I think that.

Speaker 11 (01:56:43):
If Joe Alt is back that maybe it's not if
it's both of those guys out, if it's all and
then their swing tackle, his name is Trey Pipkins, was
also out last week. If both of those guys are out,
I think it is. But if they're back, even if
they're compromised, I think that's that's probably better for them.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
Trey Pipkins sounds like a fictional character in a Beverly
Cleary kid book, doesn't it. Yes, absolutely, little freckly kid,
red hair, but you know what I mean, red addresses
like Waldo. Yeah, Trey Pipkins and.

Speaker 7 (01:57:14):
His sister's name is Linday Pipkins.

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
Joel A. Erickson is our guest. He is on the
Java House, Peel and poor guest line Joel. The The
quarterback situation is one that I'm curious of this point. Obviously,
if Daniel Jones we now know, I mean, if Daniel
Jones is the guy and so long as he's healthy,
he's going to be the guy.

Speaker 4 (01:57:38):
We know that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
But if something were to happen and Riley Leonard gets in,
do you believe now that Riley Leonard because there during
the time that Anthony Richardson is on injured reserve, does
Riley Leonard once Brett Rippen gets up to speed, would
he go back to being the backup and Leonard goes
back to being the emergency number three? Or is Rylan

(01:58:01):
Leonard potentially within grasp of being able as people have
wanted to see what he can do.

Speaker 7 (01:58:07):
I I don't know where the Colt's standing on this,
but I kind of think that the right thing to
do in this situation might be to just go with
Riley Leonard as the backup. Brett Rippin is a guy
who's he's obviously he's He's been around the league a lot,
but he hasn't really started a game in a couple
of years now. Uh, the last time he started was

(01:58:29):
a one off with the Rams. I think the Rams
had to go out and get somebody after after that one.
He's he was available for a reason. That that's that
was the biggest thing with this Richardson injury was just
your options were not very good. Taylor Heineke is out
there somewhere. I don't know if Taylor Heidikey is looking
for like a big like season ending injury to jump
in somewhere or whatever. But outside of Heinike, most of

(01:58:51):
the names were kind of guys like this who are
kind of been, you know, number threes in the NFL.
And I think if you're looking at it as this
guy's a number three in the I think you just
go with Leonard.

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
Yeah. And in addition that Leonard's a guy that you're
gonna have for a while, right as opposed to you
know what I mean, Like, he's not a rental, So
you might as well see what you have there and
then see if you grow from it. I mean that
would that would make sense?

Speaker 4 (01:59:14):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
Otherwise, why is he on the roster.

Speaker 7 (01:59:16):
Yeah, absolutely, like they they brought him in developmental, like
he's he's a developmental guy that they hope turned into
a backup. Well, you might as well jump start it
because you don't have a backup who you clearly think
is ahead of him. At least I don't think so
at this point. Now the Colts might see it differently.
They might feel like you need the experience, depending on
the matchup or whatever. I think everyone in you know

(01:59:38):
over here is probably just hoping that Daniel Jones doesn't
get hurt. But you know, I think that if it
was me, just thinking about where they're at, I might
just stick with Riley Leonard.

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
Speaking of progress, how would you assess leatu Latu?

Speaker 7 (01:59:52):
I he's he's he's not doing He's struggling, He's not
doing enough. I felt, I feel like we saw the
Rams game. He looked great in the Rams game. That's
really been the only game this year where we've I've
felt him as a as a difference making presence that
he has to be off the edge. You know, they
they had some some quarterback hits last week, but I

(02:00:14):
feel like most of those were because Jacoby Brissett holds
the ball because he's unafraid of getting hit. He just
takes it. And yeah, they needed lot to and they
still need a lot to for this defense to really
have a shot with the corner, the cornerback situation the
way it is like, he really has to be a
big time player off the edge. It just hasn't been

(02:00:35):
consistent enough. I think it's it's it's imperative though, because
DeForest Butner is basically facing a guard in a center
or a guarden a tackle every time he rushes. So
at some point somebody else needs to become a difference maker.
Lot two seems like the best one. He just hasn't
really been that so far.

Speaker 1 (02:00:52):
It is partially because of Joli Erickson as our guest
from the Indianapolis Star. He's on the Java House Peel
and Board guest line. It is partially because because of
the health of players in front of him, and perhaps
partially still a hangover from the mistakes that he has made.
But Joel, what is it going to take to get
Adie Mitchell back on the field regularly?

Speaker 7 (02:01:15):
Yeah, that's that's interesting. It's interesting to me to see
that they made him, you know, inactive, and I think
it's some of the stuff that's hard for us to see.
It's the behind the scenes stuff. It's probably a lot
of practice stuff that we don't get to see because
you know, we go to practice, we only go to
the first twenty minutes before they do any of the
real stuff. So I think I think that's a big

(02:01:38):
part of it. It's going to be some of that
stuff that we don't necessarily get to see or have
like a pandle on, but it is. It's very interesting
that they made him inactive last week after benching in
the previous week.

Speaker 1 (02:01:49):
Okay, most importantly, are you resigned to the fact that
the Brewers at this point are you just hoping nonsweep
or are you like, no, listen, they they had a
great year, best record in baseball. I think for the
bats majority party of it. They can now turn it
on they you know they if I'm not mistaken, this year,
the Brewers had six different fifteen game win streaks, right, So, like,
what the hell's what's with four?

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:02:11):
It it?

Speaker 7 (02:02:13):
I am somebody who knows as a big baseball fan,
I am somebody who knows all of the precedents and
teams that go down two oh when they were playing
at home are like twenty four of twenty seven or
something like that in Major League history and in terms
of not being able to come back. So I am

(02:02:33):
just in the spot where I'm like, well, they need
a miracle. That's that's where we're at. We need a
miraculous thing to get in the World Series. I would
like to see them not swing at every pitch at
the Dodgers starters rows in Games three, in Games four,
but you know, we'll see where it goes.

Speaker 1 (02:02:49):
Well, do you remember the song Joel? In conclusion? Do
you remember the song I'm a terrible singer. Okay, all
I need is a miracle?

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
Do you know that song?

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
All I need is a miracle all I need? Do
you know who sings that song?

Speaker 6 (02:03:02):
I do not.

Speaker 1 (02:03:02):
That is I believe Mike and the Mechanics, And if
I'm not mistaken, I could be totally wrong in this,
but I'm looking it up right now. Mike Ruththerford of
Mike and the Mechanics, even though he is British. I
believe at some point, I don't know why I'm thinking this,
at some point I think he lived in Milwaukee. If not,
then we're going to claim that he did and therefore
that's good news for the Brewers.

Speaker 7 (02:03:20):
Well, I I hope. So the only the only shred
of hope I have left is that I have thought
that this team was done like six times this year.
But but this time, this time, the history is on
my side. I don't know if the other times it
was or it was just me being semistic, but this
time the history is on my side. That that it's

(02:03:41):
it's gonna take. It's gonna take a miracle to get
into the World Series.

Speaker 1 (02:03:44):
You know, if they don't make the World Series, then
what you can do is download the plane Finder app
and just sit out in the backyard and mesmerize yourself.

Speaker 6 (02:03:53):
Laugh.

Speaker 7 (02:03:53):
That's not a bad idea. That's that's not a bad idea.

Speaker 11 (02:03:56):
You laugh.

Speaker 1 (02:03:56):
But I'm telling you, I'm going to get a text
for you one of these days. It just says, by
the way LaGuardia to Albuquerque and for some reason, right
over my house. It's fascinating. I just chanced her.

Speaker 7 (02:04:06):
That's not a bad idea, because I was. I was
thinking about it the other day. I was like, you know,
I normally watched the World Series, but I'm really not
gonna want to if it's the Dodgers versus somebody. Maybe
I'll just turn it on and go outside and just
kind of look at plane finder for a while.

Speaker 1 (02:04:19):
There you go on, I'm telling you, I'm telling you
what like you and you and the character Tyler Pipkin
or whatever his name is. I can just sit around
in your little fictional book, all right, Joel, appreciate the
time as always.

Speaker 4 (02:04:29):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:04:29):
We'll let you get back to work.

Speaker 7 (02:04:31):
Yeah, you bet.

Speaker 1 (02:04:31):
Thanks having Joel a Ericson joining us on the program.
We'll come back. It is the crossover. We'll find out
what JMV has lined up for his big show, which
gets underway at just about sixteen minutes. Crossover, of course,
brought to you each and every day by the good
guys that love heating and air Love dash HVAC dot
com is the website three one seven, three five three
twenty one forty one. Big show today. I appreciate everybody

(02:04:53):
that participated, chimed in. I think tomorrow what I need
to do a better job, and it's it's sometimes it's
tough because I know JMV does it a lot. Is
incorporate the text line. I need to get into that
a little more and read some of your reactions, including
you know, for that matter, the bad. Not everybody that

(02:05:15):
writes in or sends me stuff is a fan. Believe
you me. I see it all, but probably should do
that tomorrow. Get into that a little bit. Ralphreef really
appreciate his time earlier and those of you that reached
out to say that you enjoyed hearing him. I think
he does do an outstanding job of assessing injuries, but
doing so for people like myself to understand, because you know,

(02:05:37):
I'm not the sharpest toold, the sharpest knife for the drawer,
whichever way you want to say it. Chris Ditto, I
thought it was great when he said, you know, look,
I'm finally now able to again wear stuff that say
that I played football at Indiana and be proud of it,
which was cool. And then of course coach Karris Joel
ericson so Loaded Show today JMV has arrived a lot

(02:06:00):
of fun yesterday as soon A.

Speaker 8 (02:06:02):
Great time yesterday, buddy, great time of bearingers, beringers, South Meridian.

Speaker 1 (02:06:07):
A lot of honking going on. I heard the hawking.

Speaker 4 (02:06:10):
A lot of.

Speaker 8 (02:06:10):
Horningness evidently with the hanking if your horny stuff happening
right there, is awesome. Man, I love it robbing again
down there, Jake, just do a great job. Hey tomorrow Westfield,
Joe's Grill, yastybourbon locks, loon Isilt, tequila shots and a
lamporium Friday in Castleton.

Speaker 1 (02:06:25):
Let's find up on your big show for today.

Speaker 8 (02:06:28):
Dan Wetzel is going to go over all you football
as you talked to Ditto about a little bit earlier,
and probably some signetti stuff. And you know, college football landscape,
look is, things are evolving and changing, and I used
taking advantage of those changes right now. If you can
generate the revenue and you offer that cash out, they're

(02:06:50):
going to come. So I mean, it's not the old
school days any longer. It does make you wonder John,
you know, could could signetti? Could he be doing this
in two thousand and five?

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
You know what I mean? I mean just I think
he would be a good coach then, just like he
is right now. But I think it's almost like it
was all the perfect storm, right.

Speaker 8 (02:07:11):
I think the landscape certainly has changed to where it's
more viable for a team, a program like you if
you have some funding to get things going.

Speaker 1 (02:07:20):
Yeah, I mean it, but it it is still surreal
to me. As we've talked about the fact that, I mean,
you know, we played Robert Griffin. The third said, look,
they're the best team in college football. They're the best
team in the country right now. They certainly have. I
think it's indisputable they have the most impressive win, right Yeah.
I mean that went over Oregon and that's impressive.

Speaker 8 (02:07:39):
And then you look at it with Matt Painter and
Purdue basketball to where it's kind of like old school
bringing me. I know that they're getting paid too, and
I know that Brandon gets paid and the other stars
get paid and all that, but it's still guys that
have been within the program more so than really anything else.
I think this is like the first offseason where Matt
has actually gone in significiquately more meeting a couple into

(02:08:02):
the transfer port yeah, but still trying to go by
what he believes in bringing guys in there that actually
care about us around him.

Speaker 1 (02:08:10):
And it makes you wonder with the way that they
do it. You know, it's interesting because you have the
Indiana football side of things, which is using to their
benefit to an extent, you know, the portal and the
nil to their advantage, and then the produce side that
from a basketball standpoint, to your point, John has really
kind of bucked it to this point and managed to
not fall victim to it. But you wonder how long

(02:08:31):
that's going to last?

Speaker 2 (02:08:32):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (02:08:33):
Well, I think that we saw some evolution of thinking
this year, did we?

Speaker 9 (02:08:37):
Not?

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
With Matt? I mean a couple of guys. Yeah, I
mean you have to what do they say? But it's
still not the like and yet they did go out
and shore up some areas, but their core still in
that three. I think the bigger thing that's impressive is
that they didn't lose anybody to that. I mean, let
me take that back. I mean, Miles Colvin's you know,
really good player. But I'm saying, you know that of

(02:08:58):
their big three, the fact that none of those guys,
that all of those guys were willing to come back
is impressive. What did Cole? I forgot where Colvin went
Wake Wake Forest? Is that right?

Speaker 2 (02:09:07):
Did he go to Wake?

Speaker 1 (02:09:08):
I think it's Wake Forest? Yeah, that is where he
ended up.

Speaker 8 (02:09:11):
But uh, nonetheless, more one and more playing time. I
still love the Matt philosophy as well. I mean, you
get more playing time if you played good enough.

Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
To deserve that.

Speaker 8 (02:09:20):
Playing time, right, I mean, they're not playing any favorites here.
We are playing the guys that are playing well and
earned the plane.

Speaker 1 (02:09:29):
Hey, did you.

Speaker 8 (02:09:30):
Use how much time we have? Corbe we got a run?
We could say this for another day, save.

Speaker 2 (02:09:34):
It for another day.

Speaker 8 (02:09:36):
So did you see there was a back and forth
that Dustin de Pirac had who covers the pacers?

Speaker 1 (02:09:42):
Betweent? Uh?

Speaker 8 (02:09:43):
I think it was Bowen was in there too, where
once upon a time those guys played like the staff
of IU and a pickup basketball game. Did you see
that a little bit earlier today?

Speaker 1 (02:09:55):
Which guys you're saying, well the pillar? I think they
were all EU guys.

Speaker 8 (02:10:00):
I think it was Bowen to Puak, Tony and Ragna
who who does some good stuff too and is still
around at least the last time. I think, is he
the head coach now with Greenwood? Christian is Tony?

Speaker 1 (02:10:13):
Is that where he was?

Speaker 8 (02:10:14):
I think he's a coach now or he should be
a coach because he's a very knowledgeable dude.

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
Good dude.

Speaker 8 (02:10:18):
But uh, I kind of had mentioned it'd be great
if we could round up some dudes in the media
and play the Pacer staff now that'd probably be more
difficult to trying to get somebody on the air for me.

Speaker 1 (02:10:29):
But now that he who would be the best player
in the Pacer staff Pargo?

Speaker 2 (02:10:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:10:36):
Probably, I mean you can and can play right? Huh,
Ryan Carr can shoot? You can't you can?

Speaker 8 (02:10:42):
I try to get Buchanan out of me all the time,
and he always says, well, I'm afraid I'm gonna get hurt.

Speaker 1 (02:10:46):
I mean, nobody's gonna hurt.

Speaker 8 (02:10:47):
Yeah, listen, I could, I would deal with. I feel
comfortable in playing Ryan Carr. I love Ryan Carr, but
I feel comfortable in playing Ryan Carr and you can
it for that matter.

Speaker 2 (02:10:57):
But uh, Pargo may be.

Speaker 1 (02:10:58):
A different story. I mean, Carl can Pie still play?

Speaker 8 (02:11:01):
Pargo will be a story. There's some on that bench
and on that staff that probably can play a little
bit too. Jenny better than all of us about how
about Jenny. Jenny probably can play right. So I would
like to do that sometime. So put that on the
list with trying to get a player on my show,
with maybe getting together with those guys and having a

(02:11:23):
pickup game sometime.

Speaker 1 (02:11:25):
All right, we'll write that down.

Speaker 7 (02:11:28):
The list.

Speaker 1 (02:11:28):
You win the pickup game, you get a player on
Great Wow. I'm gonna go out there and play hard.
Then J and V's up next. We will be back
with you at noon tomorrow, and I thank you for
listening to Quarying Company.

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