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December 13, 2025 108 mins

Ralph once again welcomes Chuck Collins, heir to the Oscar Meyer fortune and one of the founders of Patriotic Millionaires, to discuss his agenda for reform outlined in his new book BURNED BY BILLIONAIRES: How Concentrated Wealth and Power Are Ruining Our Lives and Planet. Then Sarah Moskowitz, Executive Director of the Citizens Utility Board of Illinois (CUB), joins us to tell us how to fight back against AI data centers that are spiking your electric bills.

Chuck Collins directs the Charity Reform Initiative at the Institute for Policy Studies, where he also co-edits Inequality.org. He co-founded the Patriotic Millionaires and United for a Fair Economy, and he is the author of Born on Third Base and The Wealth Hoarders: How Billionaires Pay Millions to Hide Trillions. His new book is Burned by Billionaires: How Concentrated Wealth and Power Are Ruining Our Lives and Planet.

There’s a number of examples of how we could create a decency floor that many societies have (including, obviously, Canada) that you can’t fall below those levels. Same with education, access to education. These are universal opportunity programs that good societies maintain. You raise the floor and you create a level playing field. But the reality is we’re not going to get any of those if we don’t address this concentration of wealth and power, which is essentially blocking us from moving toward these reforms we’re talking about.

Chuck Collins

Sarah Moskowitz is Executive Director of the Citizens Utility Board, a nonprofit, nonpartisan group with the mission to fight for the rights of customers of investor-owned electric, gas and telecom utilities across Illinois.

That’s part of what we’re really proud of here at CUB Illinois is that you can reach a human. You might have to leave a message, but we will call you back and answer your questions and then talk through what’s really going on.

Sarah Moskowitz

A lot of our work at CUB is just helping people connect the dots behind the policies that are resulting in these really high bills. It’s shrouded in mystery and it’s dry. It’s boring. You don’t want to think about it after you’ve been working all day. And that’s why we’re here—to keep tabs on all that stuff and help illuminate that for folks…And it’s a moving target. Things are happening at the state level. Things are happening at the federal level. And so when you’re looking at your bill, it’s a culmination of a whole spectrum of jurisdictions and a whole spectrum of regulators making decisions, each having an impact on what you pay every month in a different way. And it’s quite overwhelming.

Sarah Moskowitz

More Show Notes:

CUB Project

Utility Consumers Action Network

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