September 27, 2025 • 46 mins
The boys are still making each other watch bad anime!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, what is up? Boys? How's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
And welcome back to another episode of the Rant Cafe
Anime Podcast. We are back again discussing anime, making each
other watch anime, and next week we're gonna get into
seasonals once again, so make sure you tune in for that.
But with me today we have recon how you do
an anime? Recon?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Welcome back, boys, We're here to talk about probably some
more crappy anime with the boys.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
This week was kind of rough. This week was kind
of rough. You made us watch JAHI.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
The Unbeatable, the Great JAHI cannot be defeated.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, that's what ye watch.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I recommended a banger of an anime, very much superior
to Ricon's choice Handshakers.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I would never recommend this.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Maybe this is actually a good week. And then Jordan
was an actual good pick.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Orb and the Movements of the Earth. How you doing, Jordan?
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Well, it's up everybody, happy to be here, you know.
I reckon with my pick, but sadly, any other week
I think it would have been the best anime, but
this week not so much. It was it was up there,
but this week we had too much.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Man, you know, funny enough, I didn't even watch any
episodes because you have to.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You had to rewatch them. That's the whole point. Bad
I already wrote, I gotta remember episode two? What's a nimrod.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
The Lord?
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Don't they.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Up in the bath? I think that's what happens.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Yeah, they do do that.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I think that's that's what I remember that in the.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Bath recon reconca.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And I means you probably didn't watch the first three
episodes of ORB, either that you already watched or I.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Fully watched or already fully watched.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It a refreshing memory. What happens in episode three?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
What happens in episode three?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Come on, that's the big episode.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
When he learns to play basketball, goes to the league.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That's when you yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Anyway, we'll refresh my memory and get your opinion on it.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Let's go, So, what do we want to start with first?
Speaker 6 (02:11):
To you, we can start with the worst one.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
If you want a handshake, okay, so Jahi goes first.
If you want, sure, wellically liked hand Shakers, No, I
like I ironically like tand Shakers more than Jahi. At
least it was so bad that it was fun to watch.
Jahi was so boring. I hated it, dude, I hated it.
It actually put me to sleep.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
So well, I'm not like a huge JAHI guy. Did
it at least remind you a little bit of like
Devil is a part timer? Because I know you like
that it did?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
It was it's Devil is a part timer? But from
Wish and Timu from what now from it's like it's
I'm saying it's a bad.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
He's basically saying Johnny is like a team move version,
a team version of Devil's apart time.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
They're like, okay, people like that a part time. Let's
take this content scept and cute. Put a cute girl
that could also get that whatever like that could turn
into a cute girl, but she's like a demon or
like a hot deal or something.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Does does Jie not remind you about let's say Gabriel
drop out because it really gave me a lot.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Of vibes with that.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Okay, but you keep her compare it to things that
are better than it compared to itself?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Why is it good?
Speaker 7 (03:24):
So it's a funny ass anime, a little demon girl
that her powers and she's trying to get by on
her life by doing stuff and gathering all the crystals
and battling the fucking magical girl that put her on
the spot.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Isn't that all fun?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
I had fun with it, Ricon, I had fun with it.
It was Uh, it was one of those things where
I've at least heard about it because I've seen a
lot of art from the from the artists. I follow
her on Twitter, and uh, you know, she it seems
like it'd be a very solid manga, and it feels
like one of those things where whenever they made the anime,
they didn't really do anything to really enhance it, if anything,
(04:03):
Like you can kind of see where, you know, where
each chapter probably starts and ends, as they put like
three into each episode, so it almost feels like you're
watching like little shorts of of things that are happening,
and the jokes are kind of like one dimensional, a
little bit off rip because it's just her being prideful
and her being her own worst enemy, and it kind
of hurt my heart a little bit to watch that,
but uh, but yeah, she's so prideful that she you know,
(04:29):
tries not to embarrass herself in front of her previous subordinates.
She puts herself in these situations where she's just trying
to get by day to day. Right, just just that
alone takes up a lot of her her time, and
that's that's relatable in a way. So yeah, I got
into it whenever she was fighting the massive bird demon
(04:49):
that was, you know, stronger than anything you'd ever seen
on the h in the Demon continent, right, So like
her battle. Look at that that Crystal, I was engaged,
all right. She was climbing the tree. She was in
the wilderness, like it got adventures real quick, a.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Whole twenty meters away from her house.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean we've all been there, right, You
step out twenty feet in the woods, do you feel lost?
You're like, all right, do I have at least my
wallet foam wallet keys? Like anything could happen out here, right, true?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So I do think at times there would be like
a funny moment here, or like a cute moment there.
But it just felt like I was waiting twenty minutes,
and it's like trying to react. I was trying to react, right,
Normally I don't have to try to react. I feel
like I was forcing myself to react on stream and
add commentary. Yet I was adding jokes to the show
(05:41):
and making fun of it to make it funny, and
it's usually a bad sign.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Oh god, I mean to be honest. In the end,
it's subjective comedy.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
So yeah, like probably is like the most genre. I think.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
It's like it's a hitter.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
It's a hitter a miss. You either like it or
you don't.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Personally, Well for you, guys, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
You, it's probably just a complete shit show.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
No, I actually didn't mind it too much. I think
I would like reading this one. And I feel like
a lot of comedies kind of like this usually kind
of build on themselves over time, as like more cast
members are added. So like in the a few episodes
I watched, like we're at least adding a couple of
cast members here and there, right, so you know, little
spats like just heard not wanting to pay rent and
then like the landlorderre like no you got to pay rent?
(06:29):
I know you got paid yesterday. Things like that, Like
they were pretty entertaining in a way, Like it was
it was all right, Like I I probably won't finish
with all twenty episodes, but uh, I didn't hate it. Ricon,
I didn't hate it. It was it was a solid like
five for.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Good damn solids.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Fine, I'll give it a two out of ten.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah, five, five is average for me, all right, that's
that's that's usually why I consider pretty average.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
I gave it a seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
I watched all of the episodes.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I really has this rated high, and I have that
I have sort of online rated.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
That's just sinful. How can you rate the anime with
the troops?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
The line is a ten out of ten, man, and
you know it, every single season is a ten out
of time?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Bandam, chat bandam.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
He lasted thirty seconds, ban this dude thirty seconds. Still
glazing in the Big year twenty twenty five. I brought
it up to be fair. I brought it never changed.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
He did brought him up. He did brought him up.
It's it's his fault, so you gotta blame Briggs.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
It's still hits at times. You know, I've never actually
rewatched s A oh, but I have rewatched SAO at
Bridge and you know they kind of hit.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
All right, guys, let's talk about hand shakers.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Oh you want to get started on this one or nah?
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
So Handshakers is made by Studio Goal Hands.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Now Hands is first.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Of all, their best anime to this day is still
k Return to Kings, but they decided to somewhat take
the concept of K Project and all that, and they
do very similar art styles across all their anime, but
they just they sometimes really take things overboard with their animation,
(08:24):
especially CGI and three D animation where it hurts to
watch for the human eye because they go overboard with
the animation and all the special effects and all of that,
and I really don't like it. And for Handshakers, there's
a lot of force things, especially the etchy of how
forced it was.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I hated it so much.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But essentially Handshakers is such a dumb concept. It's like
a battle reale where two people must work together and
they you must, you know, find a way to let's say,
connect together to use their awesome powers in order to
fight in about royal meet God and then gain that
(09:04):
one single wish.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, it's just super cliche, super boring.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on some of
that retails. I never thought I find myself saying this,
but you know, I was a big Handshaker's optimist prior
to it airing. I watched one episode and I initially
dropped it, like I couldn't hardly do it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I like the concept. I feel like that's what Jordan's
gonna say, the concept and theory.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Oh here's the thing. I thank you for making me
like revisit this breaks okay in the Great Year twenty
twenty five because I liked it more this time around,
So go hands. As much as I don't like a
lot of the things that they do, they're very stubborn,
but they're also very ambitious, right, So like there's a
lot of just scenic shots where it's panning and they're
(09:49):
like they animated every every person in that crowd that's
walking by, Like they they it was an ambitious project, right,
They went hard on it. And there's times where because
of that, with like some of the angle in the
way that everything kind of messed together, it's like a
little bit jarring, and like they they ignore a lot
of rules of film that like kind of make it
a bit of a headache to watch at times, But overall, overall,
(10:12):
you know, it's it's not nearly as bad as I remember.
And on the topic of etchy, I if you guys
want to say anything else Prior to that, I have
a little bit of a soap box. I want to
go to on that for Handshakers. But it's overall not
as bad as I remember, not by a long shot.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
So okay, so I believe it was also not as
bad as I remember, but I was also drunk. I
needed to take substances in order to get myself to
do this. I watched three episodes of Handshakers. The concept
is very similar to the concept of like Fate zero
(10:48):
right or Fate Staaten, where like you and your partner
in all way are fighting against the other people that
are chosen to get a wish. Granted, like the concept
it's self is not bad, as we could see by
Fate and zero and Fate Stay Night, Stay Night being
good at times.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
However, it's more the execution.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Of the concept that I didn't like as much.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Like with the CEI you're.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Comparing Studio Uphotoble with go Hands, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I don't really care that much about how it looks,
per se, I will say this is one of the
ones that like for me. When I don't care about
how something looks, it can only go so far, and
I did. I did hate the CGI in this except
for like a couple moments and fights. I hated every
other minute of it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Of like how it looks.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
But if it was a good story with good dialogue
and good characters, I think I could get over the
art style very quickly. And I couldn't because other than
the concept, I didn't love the characters. There was very
very slow pacing, and then out of nowhere, they're fighting people.
The girl doesn't talk, do we know? Watchesn't talking? Even
(11:57):
though you could kind of understand Japanese. Isn't she from
another country or something or.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Story? I think, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't know what.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
I don't know any words, forgot completely forgot why.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Maybe she's just the silent type, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So I don't like today is to begin with, They're like,
that's like my least favorite archetype and this one like
might have a reason for being a coup today.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But or like or for being this not even a
today but just being.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
A just why.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So that's just what.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I'm saying, like, is my favorite my least favorite type?
And then this girl just doesn't fucking talk, which is
why I.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Could like a good yendre or or a good suit
today for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I I don't love quiet girls in anime or shy
girls an anime as a concept because then you get
like one side of conversations and then internal dialogue sometimes,
And I'm not in love with like the internal dialogue
for like fucking Slice of Light Life anime.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Anything.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Al Right, So I do know one girl that fucking
looks like she's like fourteen or like she was like
she's fucking seven, but she's like the manager of a thing.
I'd also pick it off it's unnecessary, ha ha.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
She looks young.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Hold on, it's not unnecessary. That's her whole reason for
fighting apparently, which as a little short king, Okay, Like
I kind of get it. Like I played basketball, is
always around a lot of tall people. It's not fun
getting cold short, Okay, I get that. I alwayst see
what they did there, right, there's a little bit of
duality between her being short but having like a very
assertive personality and then like her uh her partner being
(13:38):
like honestly like a pretty big dude, uh, pretty imposing,
looks pretty confident, but like he's just very passive. Right,
So like I at least see kind of what they
did there, but they took it to an extreme. I
have purple, but but that didn't bother me too much.
But the soap bucks I wanted to get onto about,
(13:59):
Like I guess etchy and it anime, right, So I
don't mind Atchy a anime. It's never bothered me. You know,
I actually kind of appreciate it a lot of the time.
I know you're you could enjoy Acchy Briggs Recon. I
know you're an etchy enjoyer. This show was kind of
groundbreaking in a lot of ways, right like it had
(14:19):
it had so it had some basic atchy like it
had the bondage in the first episode with the chains and.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Stuff, but it's all forced. It's not like, you know, it's.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Not like it's natural. It's hers. It's a girl listening
to music and her boots just jiggling as she does.
That's that's the most natural thing in the world. Okay,
it had some bathroom scenes, et cetera. But then it
went beyond plus ultra all of that, right, and it
did like the most atchy thing and it made it
the The The lynchpin of the show was them holding hands.
Not only can they hold hands, but if they stopped
(14:49):
holding hands for too long, like their thighs, like, it
was like thing, right, So I kind of appreciate that
in a way. Right, it took it to it takes
all these things that it takes them to the extreme,
so it's I don't know, it was kind of fun.
I enjoyed it more this time around, Whereas like I, I
think I went into it with two high of expectations
the first time around, and uh, because I thought the
(15:11):
trailer looked pretty and then I was disappointed. And then
this time I went in with like no expectations. I
knew i'd hated it time, and I had fun with it.
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Sometimes it's all on us to be honest as consumer.
It's like I showed up drunk and I had a
good time, exactly.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
I think that's the way to watch it, not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Wu's the fucking sequel, if that's what you want to
call it, Absolutely the same, no difference, no.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Difference, right, but like yeah, but the same concept, the
same fucking concept of people du always battling and all
that shit.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
It's just yeah, both Handshakers and W's got a.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Low score of like five points. Something.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
It's just people not great.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
People got mad at WZ because, like I know, the
main characters, the Handshakers are like background characters in WZ,
but it is basically a sequel and the fact that
they people hated Handshakers and then they advertised it as
something else and like they never they never even insinuated
that it was like in any way related to Handshakes,
but they just released it as like a new anime,
and people are like, this is just more Handshakers, Like
(16:12):
people help betrayed.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Right, I hate you want to you guys want to
talk about the strange and weird camera angles that Goanns
likes to use.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, I'm not in like camera angles.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
It's like I said, it's almost overly ambitious. It's like
they're trying to be different and unique, and they are,
but like not always in the best of ways. Right.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I think they're trying to be different and unique but
also cut costs. Like they're like, if we show it
from this angle, it's a cool perspective, but also you
don't need to see her lips moving, and that costs money, Like.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Maybe in some ways because like you gotta kind of
balance it out. But I feel like they go above
and beyond in ways that like you don't really it's
it's not beneficial, but like they they really determined to
make it look like that, right. And I guess on
the topic of watching it drunk, like there's times whe
were watching it normally is like very visually disorienting. It's like,
(17:06):
but when you're drunk, you know, you're kind of seeing
double You're like your disoriented. It balances out right, two
negatives make a positive, And I feel like that's probably
the peak way to watch it. If I'm being honest,
that makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So I genuinely enjoyed it more than Jahi the Unbeatable Defeatable, like.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
He was such a wholesome anime. It's just I just.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I think I liked it more like ironically watched it
and was making fun and having fun with it. But
I feel like, also ironically, because I was a little
bit tipsy, I was having fun watching fucking handshakers.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I'm like, don't let go overhead, don't do it.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
People were too quick to jump on handshakers. I'm guilty
as well. I'm partially at fault. I gave up like
the one episode shame on me.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Shame on me.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
All right, maybe we should recommend more just recommend some
more gohands anime than if you guys like handshakers, we
should recommend more cohands anime.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And see how you guys feel.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Maybe I you know, everybody's mentioning the one with the
girl with the glasses, like the girl I like forgot
her glasses. And I read that mango pretty cute manga,
not the trailer. All the trailer, it's like, shows exactly
why I usually have an issue with Go Hands. It's
like they do stuff with the camera angles and stuff
that's kind of unnecessary, Like they follow a student walking
through a high school hallway and like up the stairs
and stuff, and at one point they go like underneath
(18:27):
the shoe, and I'm like, why is underneath the shoe?
I don't want to steal a lot of that shoe.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Like the low camera angles and then weird side views
and shit, It's like, why why would.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
You like just it's it's different for the sake of
being different A lot of times right where it's like
there's not like a deeper purpose to it. I think
that's where, uh, that's where a lot of people are
kind of lost. So if I had to say, but
if you want to recommend more go hands anime eventually recon,
I'll at least be open minded going into it. Okay,
(18:57):
I might not, Like I probably won't be. I know
I won't.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
But anyway, let's continue. Let's talk about an actual good anime.
Orb and the movements are on the movements of the earth.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Let's go best for last.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Best for Last.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And I have my issues with this anime, but I.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Do love it.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I really really really like it, and I'm sad I
never finished it, so I am going to continue to
watch it this time around.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I still need to finish it as well, but I
love what I've seen of it so far, like it's, uh,
if it continues to be this high quality throughout, I
think it will probably like break into my top ten
fifteen anime of all time. Like I'm really loving it.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
So it's a very good anime.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, it's It's definitely a underrated hidden gem. It's not
like super popular by any means because a lot of
people haven't seen it, but it's definitely a very good
masterpiece hidden gem of ten twenty four.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
It's one of those where I could see a lot
of people maybe not liking it because it's very uh,
it feels kind of niche in a way. It's a
lot of dialogue and a lot of themes and ideas
as like the uh.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
It's very scientific point, I would say, it's a lot
of science involved and stuff. So a lot of what
people like.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
It it is, but it's to me, it's almost more
like the pursuit of truth and like uh and like
the nature of humans, right, And it's tackling it from
a way that's not entirely historically accurate, but it's it's
more like a thought experiment on what people prioritize and
(20:33):
uh and and the importance of you know, being honest
and truthful to yourself and not like not lying right
whenever it comes to like universal truths and things that
you and even being open minded to what the truth
might be. Right, Like at the very start he uh,
you know, he's like, no, there's no way that could be.
But when presented with those ideas, he's like, that could
(20:56):
make sense, right, he starts looking into it. Things like that.
So it's it's a lot talking, a lot of dialogue.
But I know people that usually hate shows like that
that have loved this show, so it's a it's done
really well.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I really loved the concept that it wasn't just like
science versus religion, because like, I feel like they could
have went that route where it's like religion is trying
to police people and it's going to stop you from
studying anymore. And it's like then the science people don't
even believe in God or like our.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Atheists or whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
The first guy who is burned alive for being a heretic,
literally his thing was that the current concepts, that's the
way things are being told and studied now. The current
concept of the universe is it doesn't make logical sense,
and thus it's not beautiful. God would not create something
that's like doesn't logically make sense, that isn't beautiful.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
So for him.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Finding the truth that like the sun is the center
of like the earth wasn't the center of the universe,
and then that you're rotating around the sun and once
you actually draw it and it like it makes perfect
circles and stuff like that, they're like this logically makes
a lot more sense. It's more beautiful. It's something that
makes more sense. Like for him as a religious person,
(22:06):
that God would make something that's perfect not imperfect.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
In a way.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So like I liked that they didn't tackle it, like,
oh screw the church science rules. I feel like they
could have won that route and they definitely didn't.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yeah, it's not something so straightforward as that, which I
really love.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's more like nuance.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
There's societal norms and things that are typically okay maybe
to say verbally and stuff at any given time, and
people almost feel constricted like that in a way. And
we see Raphaul at the very start, you know, say,
like life is just easier if I tell the teacher
what he wants to hear, right, if I if I
just lie, if I just uh, yeah, I don't have
(22:49):
to really think these things. I'll just say what what
works and.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
What they want would the answer that they expect or want?
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Yeah, yeah, And like there's something to that. But then
there's something more more deep and universal and like actually
seeking truth and once he is, you know, it's it's
it goes beyond the individual in that way, right where
he's willing to die for the sake of passing on
the torch and for those uh, for those that greater
(23:16):
search for truth and knowledge. Right, So it's and it's
one of those things where the people that witness that
hadn't really ever grappled with that idea before. You know,
the the guy that is going around, you know, torturing
people and whatnot. He he has a family, he's just
he's doing his job, right, So it's like there's there's
ways that you can get lost in that and and
(23:37):
not almost like not really even care for for those
truths and whatnot. So it's like just the different aspects
of humanity and it's like kind of just a thought
experiment tackling those from different angles and perspectives, right, rather
than an individual character.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So so I'd like one issue I have with the
serious and it doesn't really apply to the first three
episodes because we at the end of the third episode
get to see our first main character kind of pass
away and pass a torch on, which I thought was
a little quick.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
It happened so fast.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But I liked the idea and the message like it
was passed to him, he passed to someone else this truth,
this universal truth was going to come out because whatever
the reason may be, right, like, people are always going
to seek knowledge and truth no matter what. And he
was influenced and inspired by so and so, and he's
going to inspire others with what he left behind, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
But I remember having an.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Issue with the series where it did sometimes feel like
they were just like passing the torch too quickly, Like
someone would discover something and it would just so quickly
go on to the next person, and they're like just
like willing to sacrifice their lives. Just felt so unrealistic
in a way.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
So what I really love about those first three episodes
is almost how fast that torch was passed because we
a little bit of weakness in his father right where
he's kind of abiding by the powers that be, he
turns his own son in because he thinks, you know,
it's not like this is the final strike, right, there's
still a chance for us to just bend the knee
and go along with the flow and everything will keep
(25:14):
going fine. But it's the choice that's made there from
rap that it's the fact that he very easily could
have just turned into all that science. He says, I
think I could prove this within my lifetime and figure
all this out if I just say the right thing,
if I just go with the flow, and then you know,
on the back end continue doing what I was doing.
(25:35):
But he doesn't do that, right, And I think there's
a lot of significance in him not doing that and
being willing to choose death rather than lying. And when
you lie to yourself and you lie to others, you're
kind of like tainting your own soul in a way, right,
Like you're tainting aspects of yourself that like are very
hard to undo. And there's the fact he chooses death
(25:57):
rather than doing that. It just feels so significant. It
it's kind of like a whiplash. But it didn't feel
unrealistic to me, so.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
For the first three episodes, I did like that even
though he's a child, but he was obviously like very
intelligent and he he had a reason for what he did.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
It was only six episodes, so first I'm still not
too far.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Oh my bad, my bad, I'll see a guy hanging
from a cliff.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yet that happened through me. Yeah, yeah, I was thinking
it was like he.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Discovered one thing and he's like, okay, carry on, the
research go on without me.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I'm like, dude, grab his hand, let me die. Pass
on the torch.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Sometimes like the thing felt a little bit too fast
for me. But other than that, I did really like
the show and I'm excited to watch more.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So you haven't even got into acting. I don't even
want to say.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yeah, so like if we do want to delve into
that at it, like I did like that, uh you know,
well it was the guy that had like the intrinsic
interest in that initially, like that curiosity that he had
already been looking at Mars for like a year, Like
he was the one kind of willing to take the
risks initially. But I did like that it got passed
(27:11):
on from there to a guy that had no no interest,
no interest at that point, right, Like, yeah, he hadn't
looked into that. He probably can't even read like he
or I don't think he can read like he. Uh,
he hasn't gone down that like that rabbit hole in
and of himself, right, but he knows that these other
people feel so strongly about it that they find a bit.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Of a.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Comfort and knowing that they passed the torch, like he
sees that twice, right, but like both from the initial
heretic and then his uh, his buddy that does the same,
Like he sees that twice where he sees them kind
of make peace at the end with knowing that they
passed the torch along and that they they did something
beyond their own individual life that uh probably has a
greater purpose.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So again, I like the concept. Sometime the execution felt
a little Yeah, No, that's that's fair.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I've enjoying it so far.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I'm excited for more. I want to I want to
watch more.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
And the concept of patching the torch and to this
guy who wasn't even interested per se, compared to others
that already had an interest, as is a cool concept.
Did Mars guy use the information to actually prove what
he wanted? Did he get did he get his discovery
or satisfaction not to the public but to himself.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Do you remember if the Mars.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Got uh not not yet, I mean, or he died?
I guess yeah, he died.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It happened like so quickly, like at least fuck it up.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
But I do like that, uh, whenever his you know,
research has passed along, like we see that inherent flaw
in him where he expected something to happen in nature, right,
and he got almost like demoralized whenever it didn't. Rather
than pursuing why is that? Like, why did it not right?
Like why did the why did it look like it
suddenly turned around? Right? That goes against what you would expect.
(28:54):
But there's a reason whenever you're you're observing nature and
uh and and what's happening right in the reality, the
objective reality in front of you. So it's just trying
to unpack why that is without your own initial presump
presu presuppositions is uh is very important there, so true.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, it was something like he was studying Mars. It
was going in a pattern, was going in a pattern,
and I guess at the point where it would be
like rotating, like it looks like it's like then it
loses its pattern completely because they're going right to the
notion that Earth is the center, right, yeah, exactly, rather than.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Them both certainly in the sun, but at different rates.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
M hm. And because like the way that they both
circle or like in one rotates, there is that point
in time every you know, four years or what have
you and stuff where it almost looks like, you know,
Mars goes backwards a little bit, right, and that throw
away everything he was expecting to see and.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Like more information in front of him.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It was in a chest. I don't remember exactly. I
didn't watch it recently. I watched it fucking like when
I came out.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
But it was in a chest.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
The diagram, look at the diagram. Oh shit, falling off
with I didn't get to read the diagram. Fuck, give
him the diagram before he dies.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
I do remember when they walked up that cliff. I
was like, shoot, the way that they drew this. I'm like,
somebody's falling off this, But how does this happen? I'm like,
I feel like it doesn't make sense for one to
push the other. But like I'm like, like, somebody's about
the fall, and then the whole bridge just breaks, So
like I get what you're saying there at least, I'm like,
all right, you saw it coming, but you're like, the
whole bridge just collapsed right then and there.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
But anyway, but overall, it's a very good show. How
do you guys feel about the torture?
Speaker 6 (30:29):
I it's cool.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
I guess I like that it's done from a character that, uh,
you know one he's he's he's with the church because
he uh you know, they need somebody to do that
dirty work, right, former mercenary. But it's from a character
who doesn't necessarily it seem like it's not like he
doesn't because he enjoys it, right, or like he's this
(30:53):
satanic guy. He's like, I have a family, Like this
is just I'm just doing my job, right, Like he
has this most mundane attitude towards it, And I feel
like that's so realistic in a way, because a lot
of times you see the horrible things that people do,
they rationalize themselves to it eventually with very very mundane
reasons behind. Why. Right, So I don't know where that
(31:15):
character's heading yet, but with how he witnessed like Rap's
end at the end of episode three and how that
was kind of new to him, and then uh, he
was also present in the second arc I'm watching, I
feel like that's going to be very important going forward.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
So I was completely wrong when I watched the show,
but for some reason, I thought that the torture after
the kid died, it fast forwarded in time a bit
and like the new people, I thought he was like
the old heretic.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I thought like he got influenced or something.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, I was wrong.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It was not him. He's still like the same major
like slightly older.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yeah, yeah, he's there, but yeah, definitely he hasn't liked.
People don't change quite that quickly, right, even with something
major happens. But uh, but I'm curious to see where
they're going since he was present both times, right and uh,
and since he is that guy that you know seems
relatively grounded and why he's doing what he does, or.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
He at least convinces himself that at rationalized. He rationalizes it.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, and he seems somewhat unaffected by the actions that
he does, like it's his day job.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Oh yeah, Like he's definitely gotten very cold and callous
and like in what he does, and maybe he was
that way to kind of be this is this is
kind of hard. I'm just gonna kill you. Like I
that's a simpler way to do this. Talking about like
the second arc where the guy's like trying to turn
himself in, He's like, you know, what's the simplest way
to do this? But uh, I guess rican, do you
(32:40):
have any over arching thoughts since I think you're the
one that's probably seen the most of the show or.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Recone.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, I was a bit there.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
I know you guys were just yapping a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Meanwhile, I was just watching light Turner do some epic
tricks with his one of the greatest protagonists of all
time by the way, but anyway, yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Classic live action without spoiling anything for ORB, just covering
to the first three to six episodes. Were there any
thoughts you wanted to share?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
I would say, remember how he breaks?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Remember how you first mentioned how this wasn't you felt
like this wasn't really a battle between two sides, right, Yeah,
Well to me, this was to be honest more.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
That way afterwards, because it more becomes science from religion.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
It is pretty much the whole anime kind of felt
like a like a battle of truth.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Like one side wants to prove the truth of.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
The cosmos and the other is the Church, and they
don't want any of that stuff going on where they are,
and if people do the stuff then they will face
prosecution by the church and all its inquisitors. But the
main goal of this is to pretty much leave behind
like all these footnotes for like like the future generations
(34:07):
and continue the legacy for collecting all this human knowledge.
That's what the whole thing is about. So it is
sticking to that battle between two sides, And.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So I do think it's between two sides, and I
do think as it is, it goes on with with
different protagonists. It may be more science versus religion, But
I like that. I liked at the beginning, our first
guy still believed in God and like was still like
the reason why he wants to prove his theory right
is because the current theory, like in the Bible or
(34:42):
that the Church like currently has doctrinated, doesn't logically make
sense and God would not have an imperfect system.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
So he was still a.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Believer and he wanted to do it for God, for
what he thought was beautiful the universe.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
And I like that.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
I think that you can say that there's two sides,
but I don't think it's necessarily some surface level like
binary between religion and uh science, Like that's that surface
level maybe kind of what it is because in this
uh specific time period, in this specific way, the the
you know, the humans that are acting a little bit
more authoritarian are probably with the Church and things of
that nature. But I feel like it's you know, over
(35:22):
arching wise, like thematic wise, it's like the authoritarian powers
that would like try to silence the truth versus like
the truth itself, right, Like the truth kind of goes
beyond any one individual. It's it's very hard to like
fight against and try to try to like enforce a
reality that doesn't go based on that. And uh yeah,
(35:42):
I feel like that's kind of what's tackled in those
first three episodes as we're outlining.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
It's like the church basically doesn't want the truth to
be spread out. So it's not like they they don't
they don't really care more to say, but they just
it will cost them a lot, like people.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Will believe they will abandon them and all that.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
So it's gonna cost them a lot if if the
truth keeps on spreading and then more and more. It's
that they don't want that progression basically, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
I think there's almost like a certain uh comfort that
they have with the way things are so like with.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
That's why they and beat people up, That's why.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
They don't want that.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
So it's yeah, it's kind of a way to like
maintain the status quo of even even within the church, right,
Like they don't want you reading too much into this
because you know that that's not good for anybody. You
don't need to go too into the weeds. We just
just keep things how they are. Just don't don't don't
dig too deep, just uh, you know, at at at
the current way that things are. They they like the
(36:44):
status quo, right, so they are the powers that be.
They kind of determine the societal societal norms of the
of the time period.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
So and in that time, the church really did act
as a police. They were the government in a way
or like or.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
They were pretty much the police.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
They were the police in a way, right, They're the
ones who would put people in jail for doing certain actions.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Or they said the rules.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, and it does make sense.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
You don't want to prove something like you wouldn't want
your people to prove something that like kind of is
in contradiction to what you're teaching. At the same time,
it's sad, but keeping the people less educated helps with
that notion.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, well keeping.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Them dumb, yeah exactly, get away with more.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And but other other than that, to me, or was
very very solid, a masterpiece of a show. Like there
there's no waste of time, there's no waste of time.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
The pacing is just amazing and it's like, how do
I say this it's like.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
The show wants you to pretty much solve the mystery
with with with all the characters and all that, and
through their motivation and their actions and their goals. Like, uh,
it's it's it's just so good. There's no words to
really describe it, but it's so good.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
And and you learn stuff. I was learning astronomy, I didn't.
I didn't know Mars looks like it turns around every
four years. I need to actually verify that, like you gotta.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
But in terms of watching this, I'd say you got
to use your brain. Probably not as much as like
Lord of Mysteries, but you gotta somewhat use it.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Oh yeah, I watched a little bit more Lord of Mysteries.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
I have come to the conclusion that, like we think
we have to use our brain, but it's actually maybe
better if you don't say.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
A lot of I think you are.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
It's a lot of fucking smokes and mirrors and just
like saying extra things to make it sound too cool.
I'm like, you're just you're adding steps for no reason sometimes.
But I will say, for ORB, I think it's important
to pay attention to the dialogue and what they're trying.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
To discover and what they mean.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I think, so definitely pay attention and having your your
brain on for or makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
It's a lot of dialogue.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
Yeah, I feel like ORB was very thought provoking. It
maybe like stop it at times just to kind of
process things and let it sink in and think it through.
And then that's why it sucks. I was in the
middle of watching it when I got like really sick
and in my head was kind of foggy, and I
was like, well, I don't feel like watching it right
now because I can't. You can't just turn your brain
off and watch the show.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
You can't miss a line here or there, and you
want to like not even just like from the science
is relatively fucking simple. It's more what they mean, what
they're trying to discover. Yeah, and sometimes they you're speaking
in philosophy in a way.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Yeah. And people and like in their nature and like
the way that they process things is something that's relatively
consistent over time. Like it's so hard to like put
yourself in the shoes of somebody from like an old
time period. But I mean as somebody that's not a
you know, astronomy expert, you know, whenever the guy's watching
Mars go in a circle and he goes and then
it stops and goes backwards. He's like, what the hell?
(39:50):
And in my mind, I'm like, you know, the concepts
that like it would sort of explain it, But I'm like,
I can't, Like if I had to talk to them
and explain it in that time period, I don't think
i'd be able to do a very.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Does does does Mars? Chapter four years?
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, Like it's it's hard to put yourself
in those shoes where we're not going based on knowledge
of like previous discoveries, right, Like they're the ones kind
of making those discoveries by observing the objective reality around them.
So I don't know, it just feels very human in
that way.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, good show.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I give this anime a nine out of ten for.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Or I'll give it very very good an eight point five.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Honestly, I I've only watched six episodes. To take it
with a grain of salt, I'd probably give it like
a nine so far as well, I'm really liking it.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Oh, by the way, handshakers one for me one handshakers.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
There's I agree wo in handshakers one this week that
is the best show. No, I didn't say number one, number.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
One, number one, one, one out.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Of ten, okay, but when you're holding hands, there's two
hands involved, there's ten digits.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
So it's a ten out of ten.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, revolutionized anime and the itchy genre. Okay,
that's all I'll say.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Hand shaken. So next week we could cover either way. Wait, wait,
when are the new.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Episodes airing for the new season.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
So a lot of what I saw, I think it's
like this upcoming week or like something like that. Is
that right, Reconnor?
Speaker 4 (41:30):
So so next ten days, about ten days.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Even twenty days or some twenty or another twelve days.
What I think we do next week, guys, is we're
going to go through the anti list and discuss what
we are.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Looking forward to.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
But I also, you know what, we're just gonna do
that next week, and then the week after that, we're
gonna recommend anime again. I know we want to watch
gig Ucks new anime and I recommend some stuff.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
It's up to you. It's up to you.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
We can dedicate a whole stream to talking about gigs
anime if you want, or.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Well, no, I think we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
We're gonna first do seasonals and then we're gonna watch.
We're gonna do three recommendations. We could do the recommendations
now for the following week, if you guys want. If dude,
you have to know what you want to recommend. I know,
I think Jordan was just gonna do gigs anime, right,
That's what.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
I said I was gonna do because I hadn't seen
it yet, but I was really wanting to. And I
know it's only like an eighteen minute movie something like that.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
All Right, So one guy on Spotify has been recommending
I recommend help hel HELK.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
I've watched it. I've watched HELC.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
We watched everything.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Okay, we're watching Say yeah, then I guess.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
Hey, say what say?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Oh? Have you watched Fate Stayed Night?
Speaker 6 (42:43):
I have not watched it.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
The only Fate I've watched was Apocryph.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
You ever watched Oh my God, you ever watch Fate?
Speaker 3 (42:51):
You?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Or Unlimited Blade Works?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
No?
Speaker 4 (42:53):
They always a stole for best Girl.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
By the way, I honestly have I not seen Fate
s Day Night. I've seen Fate Zero, which is my favorite,
Unlimited Blade Works and then the Heavens Field trilogy is
all I've really seen of Fates.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
So I was gonna should we start cut off with
Fate Stay Night? The original? I like it, I actually
like it.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
Yeah, I don't know. I haven't seen it, so I
can't say.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
But I like zero better.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
And what is it called? Fate Stay Fate, Stay Night.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Face Day Night Unlimited? Blade Works is fantastic. Would like
it because it looks vert.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
I mean, yeah, of course I would like it because
you Photable is just amazing. It's smell.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, but what if I go to the old one?
Speaker 4 (43:39):
No, please don't go to no old one.
Speaker 6 (43:41):
I would rather watch the uphotable version.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
No, we're gonna watch the old one. No Fate Stay
Night to start because really good. Jordan hasn't watched it,
so that's why I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
I will say all the all the Euphotable Fates though,
are very good. It's one of the biggest studios.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
You're gonna make me watch the crappy studio Dean version.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
This is this is why I'm a Demon Slayer hater.
At times, I'm like, I know people like it, but
I'm like, they could be making more Fate type Moon type.
Speaker 6 (44:09):
Stuff, you know, I uh, my turn.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
I want you guys to watch a classic masterpiece, Strike the.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
Blood, Strike the Blood.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Never heard of it?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Yep, very very solid Strike the Blood.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
So we have Bond, Strike the Blood and Fate s
Day Night. Is that right? Yes? All right, I'll send
those in the chat so we don't forget Strike the
Blood twenty thirteen. Okay, okay, all going a little bit
older here here.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
This is a very good show.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
It has like a few.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Classic masterpiece Yeah, it's actually got quite a few seasons.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
I'm not gonna lie a classic masterpiece like Handshakers. Let's
go modern class.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
Strike the Blood has.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Five seasons in total, five seasons, okay.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
And episodes. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Since we have two weeks to watch, can we add
help to the list as well. Someone in my chat
has been recommending I want to watch it, check it out.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
I've already seen it. It's very recent, but if you want.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
To, we can. We can add help as mine to
just have Bond as like the the extra maybe because
it's just eighteen.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Minutes true exactly, and we have two weeks as well
to watch it, like next week, We're just going to
go through the list, so we have two weeks to
catch up on these anime.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
I help the White Lion Kimber show that they say
the Lion King copied off of so it's like, uh,
I think the think the Lion King, but like older
and then like animated in Japan.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Is that cold Jungle Titan?
Speaker 6 (45:57):
Jungle Titan?
Speaker 5 (45:58):
I don't know, Yah, it is, I have seen it.
I just know it is.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
It is Kim with a white lion. Yeah, what does
the lion look like a mouse. I'm not gonna question.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
I'm not gonna be a question anything. Man.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
How old is Kim with the white Lion? I don't
even remember. I just know it was like one of
the older It's one of the older anime I know of,
so m hm.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Anyway, guys, I hope you guys enjoyed him Poppy and
I'll see you all next time.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
There you go later
Yo, what is up? Boys? How's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
And welcome back to another episode of the Rant Cafe
Anime Podcast. We are back again discussing anime, making each
other watch anime, and next week we're gonna get into
seasonals once again, so make sure you tune in for that.
But with me today we have recon how you do
an anime? Recon?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Welcome back, boys, We're here to talk about probably some
more crappy anime with the boys.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
This week was kind of rough. This week was kind
of rough. You made us watch JAHI.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
The Unbeatable, the Great JAHI cannot be defeated.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, that's what ye watch.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I recommended a banger of an anime, very much superior
to Ricon's choice Handshakers.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I would never recommend this.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Maybe this is actually a good week. And then Jordan
was an actual good pick.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Orb and the Movements of the Earth. How you doing, Jordan?
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Well, it's up everybody, happy to be here, you know.
I reckon with my pick, but sadly, any other week
I think it would have been the best anime, but
this week not so much. It was it was up there,
but this week we had too much.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Man, you know, funny enough, I didn't even watch any
episodes because you have to.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You had to rewatch them. That's the whole point. Bad
I already wrote, I gotta remember episode two? What's a nimrod.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
The Lord?
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Don't they.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Up in the bath? I think that's what happens.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Yeah, they do do that.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I think that's that's what I remember that in the.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Bath recon reconca.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And I means you probably didn't watch the first three
episodes of ORB, either that you already watched or I.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Fully watched or already fully watched.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It a refreshing memory. What happens in episode three?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
What happens in episode three?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Come on, that's the big episode.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
When he learns to play basketball, goes to the league.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That's when you yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Anyway, we'll refresh my memory and get your opinion on it.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Let's go, So, what do we want to start with first?
Speaker 6 (02:11):
To you, we can start with the worst one.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
If you want a handshake, okay, so Jahi goes first.
If you want, sure, wellically liked hand Shakers, No, I
like I ironically like tand Shakers more than Jahi. At
least it was so bad that it was fun to watch.
Jahi was so boring. I hated it, dude, I hated it.
It actually put me to sleep.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
So well, I'm not like a huge JAHI guy. Did
it at least remind you a little bit of like
Devil is a part timer? Because I know you like
that it did?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
It was it's Devil is a part timer? But from
Wish and Timu from what now from it's like it's
I'm saying it's a bad.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
He's basically saying Johnny is like a team move version,
a team version of Devil's apart time.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
They're like, okay, people like that a part time. Let's
take this content scept and cute. Put a cute girl
that could also get that whatever like that could turn
into a cute girl, but she's like a demon or
like a hot deal or something.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Does does Jie not remind you about let's say Gabriel
drop out because it really gave me a lot.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Of vibes with that.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Okay, but you keep her compare it to things that
are better than it compared to itself?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Why is it good?
Speaker 7 (03:24):
So it's a funny ass anime, a little demon girl
that her powers and she's trying to get by on
her life by doing stuff and gathering all the crystals
and battling the fucking magical girl that put her on
the spot.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Isn't that all fun?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
I had fun with it, Ricon, I had fun with it.
It was Uh, it was one of those things where
I've at least heard about it because I've seen a
lot of art from the from the artists. I follow
her on Twitter, and uh, you know, she it seems
like it'd be a very solid manga, and it feels
like one of those things where whenever they made the anime,
they didn't really do anything to really enhance it, if anything,
(04:03):
Like you can kind of see where, you know, where
each chapter probably starts and ends, as they put like
three into each episode, so it almost feels like you're
watching like little shorts of of things that are happening,
and the jokes are kind of like one dimensional, a
little bit off rip because it's just her being prideful
and her being her own worst enemy, and it kind
of hurt my heart a little bit to watch that,
but uh, but yeah, she's so prideful that she you know,
(04:29):
tries not to embarrass herself in front of her previous subordinates.
She puts herself in these situations where she's just trying
to get by day to day. Right, just just that
alone takes up a lot of her her time, and
that's that's relatable in a way. So yeah, I got
into it whenever she was fighting the massive bird demon
(04:49):
that was, you know, stronger than anything you'd ever seen
on the h in the Demon continent, right, So like
her battle. Look at that that Crystal, I was engaged,
all right. She was climbing the tree. She was in
the wilderness, like it got adventures real quick, a.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Whole twenty meters away from her house.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean we've all been there, right, You
step out twenty feet in the woods, do you feel lost?
You're like, all right, do I have at least my
wallet foam wallet keys? Like anything could happen out here, right, true?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So I do think at times there would be like
a funny moment here, or like a cute moment there.
But it just felt like I was waiting twenty minutes,
and it's like trying to react. I was trying to react, right,
Normally I don't have to try to react. I feel
like I was forcing myself to react on stream and
add commentary. Yet I was adding jokes to the show
(05:41):
and making fun of it to make it funny, and
it's usually a bad sign.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Oh god, I mean to be honest. In the end,
it's subjective comedy.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
So yeah, like probably is like the most genre. I think.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
It's like it's a hitter.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
It's a hitter a miss. You either like it or
you don't.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Personally, Well for you, guys, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
You, it's probably just a complete shit show.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
No, I actually didn't mind it too much. I think
I would like reading this one. And I feel like
a lot of comedies kind of like this usually kind
of build on themselves over time, as like more cast
members are added. So like in the a few episodes
I watched, like we're at least adding a couple of
cast members here and there, right, so you know, little
spats like just heard not wanting to pay rent and
then like the landlorderre like no you got to pay rent?
(06:29):
I know you got paid yesterday. Things like that, Like
they were pretty entertaining in a way, Like it was
it was all right, Like I I probably won't finish
with all twenty episodes, but uh, I didn't hate it. Ricon,
I didn't hate it. It was it was a solid like
five for.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Good damn solids.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Fine, I'll give it a two out of ten.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah, five, five is average for me, all right, that's
that's that's usually why I consider pretty average.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
I gave it a seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
I watched all of the episodes.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I really has this rated high, and I have that
I have sort of online rated.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
That's just sinful. How can you rate the anime with
the troops?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
The line is a ten out of ten, man, and
you know it, every single season is a ten out
of time?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Bandam, chat bandam.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
He lasted thirty seconds, ban this dude thirty seconds. Still
glazing in the Big year twenty twenty five. I brought
it up to be fair. I brought it never changed.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
He did brought him up. He did brought him up.
It's it's his fault, so you gotta blame Briggs.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
It's still hits at times. You know, I've never actually
rewatched s A oh, but I have rewatched SAO at
Bridge and you know they kind of hit.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
All right, guys, let's talk about hand shakers.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Oh you want to get started on this one or nah?
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
So Handshakers is made by Studio Goal Hands.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Now Hands is first.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Of all, their best anime to this day is still
k Return to Kings, but they decided to somewhat take
the concept of K Project and all that, and they
do very similar art styles across all their anime, but
they just they sometimes really take things overboard with their animation,
(08:24):
especially CGI and three D animation where it hurts to
watch for the human eye because they go overboard with
the animation and all the special effects and all of that,
and I really don't like it. And for Handshakers, there's
a lot of force things, especially the etchy of how
forced it was.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I hated it so much.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But essentially Handshakers is such a dumb concept. It's like
a battle reale where two people must work together and
they you must, you know, find a way to let's say,
connect together to use their awesome powers in order to
fight in about royal meet God and then gain that
(09:04):
one single wish.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, it's just super cliche, super boring.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on some of
that retails. I never thought I find myself saying this,
but you know, I was a big Handshaker's optimist prior
to it airing. I watched one episode and I initially
dropped it, like I couldn't hardly do it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I like the concept. I feel like that's what Jordan's
gonna say, the concept and theory.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Oh here's the thing. I thank you for making me
like revisit this breaks okay in the Great Year twenty
twenty five because I liked it more this time around,
So go hands. As much as I don't like a
lot of the things that they do, they're very stubborn,
but they're also very ambitious, right, So like there's a
lot of just scenic shots where it's panning and they're
(09:49):
like they animated every every person in that crowd that's
walking by, Like they they it was an ambitious project, right,
They went hard on it. And there's times where because
of that, with like some of the angle in the
way that everything kind of messed together, it's like a
little bit jarring, and like they they ignore a lot
of rules of film that like kind of make it
a bit of a headache to watch at times, But overall, overall,
(10:12):
you know, it's it's not nearly as bad as I remember.
And on the topic of etchy, I if you guys
want to say anything else Prior to that, I have
a little bit of a soap box. I want to
go to on that for Handshakers. But it's overall not
as bad as I remember, not by a long shot.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
So okay, so I believe it was also not as
bad as I remember, but I was also drunk. I
needed to take substances in order to get myself to
do this. I watched three episodes of Handshakers. The concept
is very similar to the concept of like Fate zero
(10:48):
right or Fate Staaten, where like you and your partner
in all way are fighting against the other people that
are chosen to get a wish. Granted, like the concept
it's self is not bad, as we could see by
Fate and zero and Fate Stay Night, Stay Night being
good at times.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
However, it's more the execution.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Of the concept that I didn't like as much.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Like with the CEI you're.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Comparing Studio Uphotoble with go Hands, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I don't really care that much about how it looks,
per se, I will say this is one of the
ones that like for me. When I don't care about
how something looks, it can only go so far, and
I did. I did hate the CGI in this except
for like a couple moments and fights. I hated every
other minute of it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Of like how it looks.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
But if it was a good story with good dialogue
and good characters, I think I could get over the
art style very quickly. And I couldn't because other than
the concept, I didn't love the characters. There was very
very slow pacing, and then out of nowhere, they're fighting people.
The girl doesn't talk, do we know? Watchesn't talking? Even
(11:57):
though you could kind of understand Japanese. Isn't she from
another country or something or.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Story? I think, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't know what.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
I don't know any words, forgot completely forgot why.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Maybe she's just the silent type, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So I don't like today is to begin with, They're like,
that's like my least favorite archetype and this one like
might have a reason for being a coup today.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But or like or for being this not even a
today but just being.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
A just why.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So that's just what.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I'm saying, like, is my favorite my least favorite type?
And then this girl just doesn't fucking talk, which is
why I.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Could like a good yendre or or a good suit
today for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I I don't love quiet girls in anime or shy
girls an anime as a concept because then you get
like one side of conversations and then internal dialogue sometimes,
And I'm not in love with like the internal dialogue
for like fucking Slice of Light Life anime.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Anything.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Al Right, So I do know one girl that fucking
looks like she's like fourteen or like she was like
she's fucking seven, but she's like the manager of a thing.
I'd also pick it off it's unnecessary, ha ha.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
She looks young.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Hold on, it's not unnecessary. That's her whole reason for
fighting apparently, which as a little short king, Okay, Like
I kind of get it. Like I played basketball, is
always around a lot of tall people. It's not fun
getting cold short, Okay, I get that. I alwayst see
what they did there, right, there's a little bit of
duality between her being short but having like a very
assertive personality and then like her uh her partner being
(13:38):
like honestly like a pretty big dude, uh, pretty imposing,
looks pretty confident, but like he's just very passive. Right,
So like I at least see kind of what they
did there, but they took it to an extreme. I
have purple, but but that didn't bother me too much.
But the soap bucks I wanted to get onto about,
(13:59):
Like I guess etchy and it anime, right, So I
don't mind Atchy a anime. It's never bothered me. You know,
I actually kind of appreciate it a lot of the time.
I know you're you could enjoy Acchy Briggs Recon. I
know you're an etchy enjoyer. This show was kind of
groundbreaking in a lot of ways, right like it had
(14:19):
it had so it had some basic atchy like it
had the bondage in the first episode with the chains and.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Stuff, but it's all forced. It's not like, you know, it's.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Not like it's natural. It's hers. It's a girl listening
to music and her boots just jiggling as she does.
That's that's the most natural thing in the world. Okay,
it had some bathroom scenes, et cetera. But then it
went beyond plus ultra all of that, right, and it
did like the most atchy thing and it made it
the The The lynchpin of the show was them holding hands.
Not only can they hold hands, but if they stopped
(14:49):
holding hands for too long, like their thighs, like, it
was like thing, right, So I kind of appreciate that
in a way. Right, it took it to it takes
all these things that it takes them to the extreme,
so it's I don't know, it was kind of fun.
I enjoyed it more this time around, Whereas like I, I
think I went into it with two high of expectations
the first time around, and uh, because I thought the
(15:11):
trailer looked pretty and then I was disappointed. And then
this time I went in with like no expectations. I
knew i'd hated it time, and I had fun with it.
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Sometimes it's all on us to be honest as consumer.
It's like I showed up drunk and I had a
good time, exactly.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
I think that's the way to watch it, not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Wu's the fucking sequel, if that's what you want to
call it, Absolutely the same, no difference, no.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Difference, right, but like yeah, but the same concept, the
same fucking concept of people du always battling and all
that shit.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
It's just yeah, both Handshakers and W's got a.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Low score of like five points. Something.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
It's just people not great.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
People got mad at WZ because, like I know, the
main characters, the Handshakers are like background characters in WZ,
but it is basically a sequel and the fact that
they people hated Handshakers and then they advertised it as
something else and like they never they never even insinuated
that it was like in any way related to Handshakes,
but they just released it as like a new anime,
and people are like, this is just more Handshakers, Like
(16:12):
people help betrayed.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Right, I hate you want to you guys want to
talk about the strange and weird camera angles that Goanns
likes to use.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, I'm not in like camera angles.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
It's like I said, it's almost overly ambitious. It's like
they're trying to be different and unique, and they are,
but like not always in the best of ways. Right.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I think they're trying to be different and unique but
also cut costs. Like they're like, if we show it
from this angle, it's a cool perspective, but also you
don't need to see her lips moving, and that costs money, Like.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Maybe in some ways because like you gotta kind of
balance it out. But I feel like they go above
and beyond in ways that like you don't really it's
it's not beneficial, but like they they really determined to
make it look like that, right. And I guess on
the topic of watching it drunk, like there's times whe
were watching it normally is like very visually disorienting. It's like,
(17:06):
but when you're drunk, you know, you're kind of seeing
double You're like your disoriented. It balances out right, two
negatives make a positive, And I feel like that's probably
the peak way to watch it. If I'm being honest,
that makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
So I genuinely enjoyed it more than Jahi the Unbeatable Defeatable, like.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
He was such a wholesome anime. It's just I just.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I think I liked it more like ironically watched it
and was making fun and having fun with it. But
I feel like, also ironically, because I was a little
bit tipsy, I was having fun watching fucking handshakers.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I'm like, don't let go overhead, don't do it.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
People were too quick to jump on handshakers. I'm guilty
as well. I'm partially at fault. I gave up like
the one episode shame on me.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Shame on me.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
All right, maybe we should recommend more just recommend some
more gohands anime than if you guys like handshakers, we
should recommend more cohands anime.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And see how you guys feel.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Maybe I you know, everybody's mentioning the one with the
girl with the glasses, like the girl I like forgot
her glasses. And I read that mango pretty cute manga,
not the trailer. All the trailer, it's like, shows exactly
why I usually have an issue with Go Hands. It's
like they do stuff with the camera angles and stuff
that's kind of unnecessary, Like they follow a student walking
through a high school hallway and like up the stairs
and stuff, and at one point they go like underneath
(18:27):
the shoe, and I'm like, why is underneath the shoe?
I don't want to steal a lot of that shoe.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Like the low camera angles and then weird side views
and shit, It's like, why why would.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
You like just it's it's different for the sake of
being different A lot of times right where it's like
there's not like a deeper purpose to it. I think
that's where, uh, that's where a lot of people are
kind of lost. So if I had to say, but
if you want to recommend more go hands anime eventually recon,
I'll at least be open minded going into it. Okay,
(18:57):
I might not, Like I probably won't be. I know
I won't.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
But anyway, let's continue. Let's talk about an actual good anime.
Orb and the movements are on the movements of the earth.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Let's go best for last.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Best for Last.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And I have my issues with this anime, but I.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Do love it.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I really really really like it, and I'm sad I
never finished it, so I am going to continue to
watch it this time around.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I still need to finish it as well, but I
love what I've seen of it so far, like it's, uh,
if it continues to be this high quality throughout, I
think it will probably like break into my top ten
fifteen anime of all time. Like I'm really loving it.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
So it's a very good anime.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, it's It's definitely a underrated hidden gem. It's not
like super popular by any means because a lot of
people haven't seen it, but it's definitely a very good
masterpiece hidden gem of ten twenty four.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
It's one of those where I could see a lot
of people maybe not liking it because it's very uh,
it feels kind of niche in a way. It's a
lot of dialogue and a lot of themes and ideas
as like the uh.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
It's very scientific point, I would say, it's a lot
of science involved and stuff. So a lot of what
people like.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
It it is, but it's to me, it's almost more
like the pursuit of truth and like uh and like
the nature of humans, right, And it's tackling it from
a way that's not entirely historically accurate, but it's it's
more like a thought experiment on what people prioritize and
(20:33):
uh and and the importance of you know, being honest
and truthful to yourself and not like not lying right
whenever it comes to like universal truths and things that
you and even being open minded to what the truth
might be. Right, Like at the very start he uh,
you know, he's like, no, there's no way that could be.
But when presented with those ideas, he's like, that could
(20:56):
make sense, right, he starts looking into it. Things like that.
So it's it's a lot talking, a lot of dialogue.
But I know people that usually hate shows like that
that have loved this show, so it's a it's done
really well.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I really loved the concept that it wasn't just like
science versus religion, because like, I feel like they could
have went that route where it's like religion is trying
to police people and it's going to stop you from
studying anymore. And it's like then the science people don't
even believe in God or like our.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Atheists or whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
The first guy who is burned alive for being a heretic,
literally his thing was that the current concepts, that's the
way things are being told and studied now. The current
concept of the universe is it doesn't make logical sense,
and thus it's not beautiful. God would not create something
that's like doesn't logically make sense, that isn't beautiful.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
So for him.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Finding the truth that like the sun is the center
of like the earth wasn't the center of the universe,
and then that you're rotating around the sun and once
you actually draw it and it like it makes perfect
circles and stuff like that, they're like this logically makes
a lot more sense. It's more beautiful. It's something that
makes more sense. Like for him as a religious person,
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that God would make something that's perfect not imperfect.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
In a way.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So like I liked that they didn't tackle it, like,
oh screw the church science rules. I feel like they
could have won that route and they definitely didn't.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yeah, it's not something so straightforward as that, which I
really love.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's more like nuance.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
There's societal norms and things that are typically okay maybe
to say verbally and stuff at any given time, and
people almost feel constricted like that in a way. And
we see Raphaul at the very start, you know, say,
like life is just easier if I tell the teacher
what he wants to hear, right, if I if I
just lie, if I just uh, yeah, I don't have
(22:49):
to really think these things. I'll just say what what
works and.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
What they want would the answer that they expect or want?
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Yeah, yeah, And like there's something to that. But then
there's something more more deep and universal and like actually
seeking truth and once he is, you know, it's it's
it goes beyond the individual in that way, right where
he's willing to die for the sake of passing on
the torch and for those uh, for those that greater
(23:16):
search for truth and knowledge. Right, So it's and it's
one of those things where the people that witness that
hadn't really ever grappled with that idea before. You know,
the the guy that is going around, you know, torturing
people and whatnot. He he has a family, he's just
he's doing his job, right, So it's like there's there's
ways that you can get lost in that and and
(23:37):
not almost like not really even care for for those
truths and whatnot. So it's like just the different aspects
of humanity and it's like kind of just a thought
experiment tackling those from different angles and perspectives, right, rather
than an individual character.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So so I'd like one issue I have with the
serious and it doesn't really apply to the first three
episodes because we at the end of the third episode
get to see our first main character kind of pass
away and pass a torch on, which I thought was
a little quick.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
It happened so fast.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But I liked the idea and the message like it
was passed to him, he passed to someone else this truth,
this universal truth was going to come out because whatever
the reason may be, right, like, people are always going
to seek knowledge and truth no matter what. And he
was influenced and inspired by so and so, and he's
going to inspire others with what he left behind, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
But I remember having an.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Issue with the series where it did sometimes feel like
they were just like passing the torch too quickly, Like
someone would discover something and it would just so quickly
go on to the next person, and they're like just
like willing to sacrifice their lives. Just felt so unrealistic
in a way.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
So what I really love about those first three episodes
is almost how fast that torch was passed because we
a little bit of weakness in his father right where
he's kind of abiding by the powers that be, he
turns his own son in because he thinks, you know,
it's not like this is the final strike, right, there's
still a chance for us to just bend the knee
and go along with the flow and everything will keep
(25:14):
going fine. But it's the choice that's made there from
rap that it's the fact that he very easily could
have just turned into all that science. He says, I
think I could prove this within my lifetime and figure
all this out if I just say the right thing,
if I just go with the flow, and then you know,
on the back end continue doing what I was doing.
(25:35):
But he doesn't do that, right, And I think there's
a lot of significance in him not doing that and
being willing to choose death rather than lying. And when
you lie to yourself and you lie to others, you're
kind of like tainting your own soul in a way, right,
Like you're tainting aspects of yourself that like are very
hard to undo. And there's the fact he chooses death
(25:57):
rather than doing that. It just feels so significant. It
it's kind of like a whiplash. But it didn't feel
unrealistic to me, so.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
For the first three episodes, I did like that even
though he's a child, but he was obviously like very
intelligent and he he had a reason for what he did.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
It was only six episodes, so first I'm still not
too far.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Oh my bad, my bad, I'll see a guy hanging
from a cliff.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yet that happened through me. Yeah, yeah, I was thinking
it was like he.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Discovered one thing and he's like, okay, carry on, the
research go on without me.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I'm like, dude, grab his hand, let me die. Pass
on the torch.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Sometimes like the thing felt a little bit too fast
for me. But other than that, I did really like
the show and I'm excited to watch more.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So you haven't even got into acting. I don't even
want to say.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yeah, so like if we do want to delve into
that at it, like I did like that, uh you know,
well it was the guy that had like the intrinsic
interest in that initially, like that curiosity that he had
already been looking at Mars for like a year, Like
he was the one kind of willing to take the
risks initially. But I did like that it got passed
(27:11):
on from there to a guy that had no no interest,
no interest at that point, right, Like, yeah, he hadn't
looked into that. He probably can't even read like he
or I don't think he can read like he. Uh,
he hasn't gone down that like that rabbit hole in
and of himself, right, but he knows that these other
people feel so strongly about it that they find a bit.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Of a.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Comfort and knowing that they passed the torch, like he
sees that twice, right, but like both from the initial
heretic and then his uh, his buddy that does the same,
Like he sees that twice where he sees them kind
of make peace at the end with knowing that they
passed the torch along and that they they did something
beyond their own individual life that uh probably has a
greater purpose.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So again, I like the concept. Sometime the execution felt
a little Yeah, No, that's that's fair.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I've enjoying it so far.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I'm excited for more. I want to I want to
watch more.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
And the concept of patching the torch and to this
guy who wasn't even interested per se, compared to others
that already had an interest, as is a cool concept.
Did Mars guy use the information to actually prove what
he wanted? Did he get did he get his discovery
or satisfaction not to the public but to himself.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Do you remember if the Mars.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Got uh not not yet, I mean, or he died?
I guess yeah, he died.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It happened like so quickly, like at least fuck it up.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
But I do like that, uh, whenever his you know,
research has passed along, like we see that inherent flaw
in him where he expected something to happen in nature, right,
and he got almost like demoralized whenever it didn't. Rather
than pursuing why is that? Like, why did it not right?
Like why did the why did it look like it
suddenly turned around? Right? That goes against what you would expect.
(28:54):
But there's a reason whenever you're you're observing nature and
uh and and what's happening right in the reality, the
objective reality in front of you. So it's just trying
to unpack why that is without your own initial presump
presu presuppositions is uh is very important there, so true.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, it was something like he was studying Mars. It
was going in a pattern, was going in a pattern,
and I guess at the point where it would be
like rotating, like it looks like it's like then it
loses its pattern completely because they're going right to the
notion that Earth is the center, right, yeah, exactly, rather than.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Them both certainly in the sun, but at different rates.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
M hm. And because like the way that they both
circle or like in one rotates, there is that point
in time every you know, four years or what have
you and stuff where it almost looks like, you know,
Mars goes backwards a little bit, right, and that throw
away everything he was expecting to see and.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Like more information in front of him.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It was in a chest. I don't remember exactly. I
didn't watch it recently. I watched it fucking like when
I came out.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
But it was in a chest.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
The diagram, look at the diagram. Oh shit, falling off
with I didn't get to read the diagram. Fuck, give
him the diagram before he dies.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
I do remember when they walked up that cliff. I
was like, shoot, the way that they drew this. I'm like,
somebody's falling off this, But how does this happen? I'm like,
I feel like it doesn't make sense for one to
push the other. But like I'm like, like, somebody's about
the fall, and then the whole bridge just breaks, So
like I get what you're saying there at least, I'm like,
all right, you saw it coming, but you're like, the
whole bridge just collapsed right then and there.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
But anyway, but overall, it's a very good show. How
do you guys feel about the torture?
Speaker 6 (30:29):
I it's cool.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
I guess I like that it's done from a character that, uh,
you know one he's he's he's with the church because
he uh you know, they need somebody to do that
dirty work, right, former mercenary. But it's from a character
who doesn't necessarily it seem like it's not like he
doesn't because he enjoys it, right, or like he's this
(30:53):
satanic guy. He's like, I have a family, Like this
is just I'm just doing my job, right, Like he
has this most mundane attitude towards it, And I feel
like that's so realistic in a way, because a lot
of times you see the horrible things that people do,
they rationalize themselves to it eventually with very very mundane
reasons behind. Why. Right, So I don't know where that
(31:15):
character's heading yet, but with how he witnessed like Rap's
end at the end of episode three and how that
was kind of new to him, and then uh, he
was also present in the second arc I'm watching, I
feel like that's going to be very important going forward.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
So I was completely wrong when I watched the show,
but for some reason, I thought that the torture after
the kid died, it fast forwarded in time a bit
and like the new people, I thought he was like
the old heretic.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I thought like he got influenced or something.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, I was wrong.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It was not him. He's still like the same major
like slightly older.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yeah, yeah, he's there, but yeah, definitely he hasn't liked.
People don't change quite that quickly, right, even with something
major happens. But uh, but I'm curious to see where
they're going since he was present both times, right and uh,
and since he is that guy that you know seems
relatively grounded and why he's doing what he does, or.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
He at least convinces himself that at rationalized. He rationalizes it.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, and he seems somewhat unaffected by the actions that
he does, like it's his day job.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Oh yeah, Like he's definitely gotten very cold and callous
and like in what he does, and maybe he was
that way to kind of be this is this is
kind of hard. I'm just gonna kill you. Like I
that's a simpler way to do this. Talking about like
the second arc where the guy's like trying to turn
himself in, He's like, you know, what's the simplest way
to do this? But uh, I guess rican, do you
(32:40):
have any over arching thoughts since I think you're the
one that's probably seen the most of the show or.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Recone.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, I was a bit there.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
I know you guys were just yapping a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Meanwhile, I was just watching light Turner do some epic
tricks with his one of the greatest protagonists of all
time by the way, but anyway, yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Classic live action without spoiling anything for ORB, just covering
to the first three to six episodes. Were there any
thoughts you wanted to share?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
I would say, remember how he breaks?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Remember how you first mentioned how this wasn't you felt
like this wasn't really a battle between two sides, right, Yeah,
Well to me, this was to be honest more.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
That way afterwards, because it more becomes science from religion.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
It is pretty much the whole anime kind of felt
like a like a battle of truth.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Like one side wants to prove the truth of.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
The cosmos and the other is the Church, and they
don't want any of that stuff going on where they are,
and if people do the stuff then they will face
prosecution by the church and all its inquisitors. But the
main goal of this is to pretty much leave behind
like all these footnotes for like like the future generations
(34:07):
and continue the legacy for collecting all this human knowledge.
That's what the whole thing is about. So it is
sticking to that battle between two sides, And.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So I do think it's between two sides, and I
do think as it is, it goes on with with
different protagonists. It may be more science versus religion, But
I like that. I liked at the beginning, our first
guy still believed in God and like was still like
the reason why he wants to prove his theory right
is because the current theory, like in the Bible or
(34:42):
that the Church like currently has doctrinated, doesn't logically make
sense and God would not have an imperfect system.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
So he was still a.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Believer and he wanted to do it for God, for
what he thought was beautiful the universe.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
And I like that.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
I think that you can say that there's two sides,
but I don't think it's necessarily some surface level like
binary between religion and uh science, Like that's that surface
level maybe kind of what it is because in this
uh specific time period, in this specific way, the the
you know, the humans that are acting a little bit
more authoritarian are probably with the Church and things of
that nature. But I feel like it's you know, over
(35:22):
arching wise, like thematic wise, it's like the authoritarian powers
that would like try to silence the truth versus like
the truth itself, right, Like the truth kind of goes
beyond any one individual. It's it's very hard to like
fight against and try to try to like enforce a
reality that doesn't go based on that. And uh yeah,
(35:42):
I feel like that's kind of what's tackled in those
first three episodes as we're outlining.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
It's like the church basically doesn't want the truth to
be spread out. So it's not like they they don't
they don't really care more to say, but they just
it will cost them a lot, like people.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Will believe they will abandon them and all that.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
So it's gonna cost them a lot if if the
truth keeps on spreading and then more and more. It's
that they don't want that progression basically, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
I think there's almost like a certain uh comfort that
they have with the way things are so like with.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
That's why they and beat people up, That's why.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
They don't want that.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
So it's yeah, it's kind of a way to like
maintain the status quo of even even within the church, right,
Like they don't want you reading too much into this
because you know that that's not good for anybody. You
don't need to go too into the weeds. We just
just keep things how they are. Just don't don't don't
dig too deep, just uh, you know, at at at
the current way that things are. They they like the
(36:44):
status quo, right, so they are the powers that be.
They kind of determine the societal societal norms of the
of the time period.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
So and in that time, the church really did act
as a police. They were the government in a way
or like or.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
They were pretty much the police.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
They were the police in a way, right, They're the
ones who would put people in jail for doing certain actions.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Or they said the rules.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, and it does make sense.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
You don't want to prove something like you wouldn't want
your people to prove something that like kind of is
in contradiction to what you're teaching. At the same time,
it's sad, but keeping the people less educated helps with
that notion.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, well keeping.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Them dumb, yeah exactly, get away with more.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And but other other than that, to me, or was
very very solid, a masterpiece of a show. Like there
there's no waste of time, there's no waste of time.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
The pacing is just amazing and it's like, how do
I say this it's like.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
The show wants you to pretty much solve the mystery
with with with all the characters and all that, and
through their motivation and their actions and their goals. Like, uh,
it's it's it's just so good. There's no words to
really describe it, but it's so good.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
And and you learn stuff. I was learning astronomy, I didn't.
I didn't know Mars looks like it turns around every
four years. I need to actually verify that, like you gotta.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
But in terms of watching this, I'd say you got
to use your brain. Probably not as much as like
Lord of Mysteries, but you gotta somewhat use it.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Oh yeah, I watched a little bit more Lord of Mysteries.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
I have come to the conclusion that, like we think
we have to use our brain, but it's actually maybe
better if you don't say.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
A lot of I think you are.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
It's a lot of fucking smokes and mirrors and just
like saying extra things to make it sound too cool.
I'm like, you're just you're adding steps for no reason sometimes.
But I will say, for ORB, I think it's important
to pay attention to the dialogue and what they're trying.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
To discover and what they mean.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I think, so definitely pay attention and having your your
brain on for or makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
It's a lot of dialogue.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
Yeah, I feel like ORB was very thought provoking. It
maybe like stop it at times just to kind of
process things and let it sink in and think it through.
And then that's why it sucks. I was in the
middle of watching it when I got like really sick
and in my head was kind of foggy, and I
was like, well, I don't feel like watching it right
now because I can't. You can't just turn your brain
off and watch the show.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
You can't miss a line here or there, and you
want to like not even just like from the science
is relatively fucking simple. It's more what they mean, what
they're trying to discover. Yeah, and sometimes they you're speaking
in philosophy in a way.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Yeah. And people and like in their nature and like
the way that they process things is something that's relatively
consistent over time. Like it's so hard to like put
yourself in the shoes of somebody from like an old
time period. But I mean as somebody that's not a
you know, astronomy expert, you know, whenever the guy's watching
Mars go in a circle and he goes and then
it stops and goes backwards. He's like, what the hell?
(39:50):
And in my mind, I'm like, you know, the concepts
that like it would sort of explain it, But I'm like,
I can't, Like if I had to talk to them
and explain it in that time period, I don't think
i'd be able to do a very.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Does does does Mars? Chapter four years?
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, Like it's it's hard to put yourself
in those shoes where we're not going based on knowledge
of like previous discoveries, right, Like they're the ones kind
of making those discoveries by observing the objective reality around them.
So I don't know, it just feels very human in
that way.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, good show.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I give this anime a nine out of ten for.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Or I'll give it very very good an eight point five.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Honestly, I I've only watched six episodes. To take it
with a grain of salt, I'd probably give it like
a nine so far as well, I'm really liking it.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Oh, by the way, handshakers one for me one handshakers.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
There's I agree wo in handshakers one this week that
is the best show. No, I didn't say number one, number.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
One, number one, one, one out.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Of ten, okay, but when you're holding hands, there's two
hands involved, there's ten digits.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
So it's a ten out of ten.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, revolutionized anime and the itchy genre. Okay,
that's all I'll say.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Hand shaken. So next week we could cover either way. Wait, wait,
when are the new.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Episodes airing for the new season.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
So a lot of what I saw, I think it's
like this upcoming week or like something like that. Is
that right, Reconnor?
Speaker 4 (41:30):
So so next ten days, about ten days.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Even twenty days or some twenty or another twelve days.
What I think we do next week, guys, is we're
going to go through the anti list and discuss what
we are.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Looking forward to.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
But I also, you know what, we're just gonna do
that next week, and then the week after that, we're
gonna recommend anime again. I know we want to watch
gig Ucks new anime and I recommend some stuff.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
It's up to you. It's up to you.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
We can dedicate a whole stream to talking about gigs
anime if you want, or.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Well, no, I think we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
We're gonna first do seasonals and then we're gonna watch.
We're gonna do three recommendations. We could do the recommendations
now for the following week, if you guys want. If dude,
you have to know what you want to recommend. I know,
I think Jordan was just gonna do gigs anime, right,
That's what.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
I said I was gonna do because I hadn't seen
it yet, but I was really wanting to. And I
know it's only like an eighteen minute movie something like that.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
All Right, So one guy on Spotify has been recommending
I recommend help hel HELK.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
I've watched it. I've watched HELC.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
We watched everything.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Okay, we're watching Say yeah, then I guess.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
Hey, say what say?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Oh? Have you watched Fate Stayed Night?
Speaker 6 (42:43):
I have not watched it.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
The only Fate I've watched was Apocryph.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
You ever watched Oh my God, you ever watch Fate?
Speaker 3 (42:51):
You?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Or Unlimited Blade Works?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
No?
Speaker 4 (42:53):
They always a stole for best Girl.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
By the way, I honestly have I not seen Fate
s Day Night. I've seen Fate Zero, which is my favorite,
Unlimited Blade Works and then the Heavens Field trilogy is
all I've really seen of Fates.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
So I was gonna should we start cut off with
Fate Stay Night? The original? I like it, I actually
like it.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
Yeah, I don't know. I haven't seen it, so I
can't say.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
But I like zero better.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
And what is it called? Fate Stay Fate, Stay Night.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Face Day Night Unlimited? Blade Works is fantastic. Would like
it because it looks vert.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
I mean, yeah, of course I would like it because
you Photable is just amazing. It's smell.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, but what if I go to the old one?
Speaker 4 (43:39):
No, please don't go to no old one.
Speaker 6 (43:41):
I would rather watch the uphotable version.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
No, we're gonna watch the old one. No Fate Stay
Night to start because really good. Jordan hasn't watched it,
so that's why I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
I will say all the all the Euphotable Fates though,
are very good. It's one of the biggest studios.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
You're gonna make me watch the crappy studio Dean version.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
This is this is why I'm a Demon Slayer hater.
At times, I'm like, I know people like it, but
I'm like, they could be making more Fate type Moon type.
Speaker 6 (44:09):
Stuff, you know, I uh, my turn.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
I want you guys to watch a classic masterpiece, Strike the.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
Blood, Strike the Blood.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Never heard of it?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Yep, very very solid Strike the Blood.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
So we have Bond, Strike the Blood and Fate s
Day Night. Is that right? Yes? All right, I'll send
those in the chat so we don't forget Strike the
Blood twenty thirteen. Okay, okay, all going a little bit
older here here.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
This is a very good show.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
It has like a few.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Classic masterpiece Yeah, it's actually got quite a few seasons.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
I'm not gonna lie a classic masterpiece like Handshakers. Let's
go modern class.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
Strike the Blood has.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Five seasons in total, five seasons, okay.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
And episodes. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Since we have two weeks to watch, can we add
help to the list as well. Someone in my chat
has been recommending I want to watch it, check it out.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
I've already seen it. It's very recent, but if you want.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
To, we can. We can add help as mine to
just have Bond as like the the extra maybe because
it's just eighteen.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Minutes true exactly, and we have two weeks as well
to watch it, like next week, We're just going to
go through the list, so we have two weeks to
catch up on these anime.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
I help the White Lion Kimber show that they say
the Lion King copied off of so it's like, uh,
I think the think the Lion King, but like older
and then like animated in Japan.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Is that cold Jungle Titan?
Speaker 6 (45:57):
Jungle Titan?
Speaker 5 (45:58):
I don't know, Yah, it is, I have seen it.
I just know it is.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
It is Kim with a white lion. Yeah, what does
the lion look like a mouse. I'm not gonna question.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
I'm not gonna be a question anything. Man.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
How old is Kim with the white Lion? I don't
even remember. I just know it was like one of
the older It's one of the older anime I know of,
so m hm.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Anyway, guys, I hope you guys enjoyed him Poppy and
I'll see you all next time.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
There you go later
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