August 28, 2025 • 41 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, what is up?
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Boys?
Speaker 1 (00:01):
How's it going?
Speaker 3 (00:01):
And welcome back to another episode of the Rant Cafe
Anime Podcast. We are keeping this shit going today. We
are talking about Samurai X, the trust in betrayal Ouvier's.
We're talking about Yonder, a Dark Elf which is a
new trashy anime, and we're talking about Claymore, which is
an og one that I recommended.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
With me.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Today we have Jordan, the anime dude who recommended Samurai X.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
What up, bro?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
What up?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Everybody happy to be here, Hope everybody's doing well.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
And Samurai X that is the Rooney Tension like prequel
in a way.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Cool? Yeah, yeah, essentially it's adapting like an old flashback
from from later on in the manga, but it's like
just with a very different tone and and things like that,
so kind of adapt into into its own standalone thing there.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Very cool.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And of course for the trashy anime, we have Recon anime.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Recon.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Hello, I'm the one who recommended the Dark Elf.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
Orderline h anime, So yeah, that's gonna be fun to discuss.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Why am I not surprised?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
And men did Claymore? It was one I watched a
long time ago back in the day. I did remember
liking it and it was just like I did owe
it as well for my one of my Sabbathan goals
on twitch. As I watch, so I'm like, you know what,
as I'll do two birds with one stone. We were
supposed to watch xxx Holick as well. However, we weren't
very productive, or at least me and Ricon weren't, so
(01:20):
we will be carrying that one over to next week.
I think four is a little ambitious. I think three
is probably the way to go.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
Yeah, it's too much for me because I watched the
news and the new stuff that come out.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So I'm like, yeah, time.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
If you've already watched xxx Holick, I'll make that my
recommendation for next week. So you didn't do it in vain?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Perfect? Perfect?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Anybody out there? All right?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Which one I say? We talked about Yonder Dark I'll first,
we got to get off.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
You guys, got to kick it off.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I think saving the best for last is very old fashioned.
I'm more, yeah, let's just get.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It hell yeah, hell yeah, all right. DeAndre dark Elf
it held my attention. It is absolute trash. I don't know,
I just don't I don't know if it's just I've
outgrown it. I just don't get the point. I'm like,
just fuck already, like it just it just ENTI without
being Endi.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
They basically almost did like you're never getting there, bro.
I was midway through, like that second episode. I had
to send recon that meme of like where he's looking at.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
The uh the American dad the meter.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, and it's like it's anime, but it's like almost
hent thigh. It's like about the cross that threshold.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
They were they were getting kind of kind of heated
there for a bite that nurse's office.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So the main character the world starts off with our
main character and he's like the hero. He defeated the
demon lord and he was going back to his world,
and then there's this yander dark elf that's like I
want to come with you. She uses all her magic
to follow him back to our our world, and she
is just absolutely obsessed with the main character and wants
to smash him. Her dimensions are over the top, top ridiculous.
(02:59):
She does have a childish looking face with pisces me off.
Why do they keep on doing this ship when she's
like angry and like seductive her face changes. I'm like,
that's the face she should have had the whole time.
Why did she put a seductive face when look young?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Else are meant to look young.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I guess that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
You know, she's like thousands of years old.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Come on, probably, I just.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Look at that picture you have on the screen right now.
That doesn't look That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
When her when her eyes get more like rectangular, she
looks her age, or if she looks, her face.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Matches her body.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And then when it gets super super moway, it bothers me,
and it never used to bother me.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I don't know what happened to me. I'm watched.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I'm not a real anime, friend, but it was. It
was that rock anime that you made us watch. It
was the same thing, the super thick, older woman with
just a mowey face. I'm like, I don't know what
bothered me.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I've still only seen the first episode of that rock anime,
but like it didn't seem that atchy to me overall.
Like I was just enjoying it for the science. But
I've seen so much official artwork since then where they're
just going hard with it. They're they're leaning into just her.
So I don't know. I don't know what to think anymore.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Yeah, what did you guys think about the beach episode
of Yonder?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Actually no, that's on the first time.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
That comes later on, but there is a super hot
beach episode.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
You guys would definitely get into it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I'm not surprised. I am not surprised. Yeah, but that's
more or less it.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
The premise is this dark olf world follow a girl
follows him back to this world and is obsessed with him.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
And wants to smash him.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
And more than that, I would say she's in love
with him, or she has said that many times. And
you get these weird, like crazy scenes, over the top
atchy scenes with It's like the bathroom scene in episode
one episode two or three has the volleyball she where
she hurts her ankle and then they are like I
almost ready to do it, and of course someone walks
in because this is actually and not HENTI, so it
has to be interrupted.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You might as well make it a hen ti. Just
just make it a hen tie. That's my stance.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie econ. I don't know if
I'm not gonna I don't know if I could watch more.
I'm not gonna say I didn't enjoy it because I'm
a big yonder a guy like I like a little
bit of crazy in my life, right, I like dark
elves a lot. Like that's they're just naturally attractive, Right,
there's a lot too.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, they are, but it's just.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
So surface level where there's like not much of a
point to it that like, I'm not gonna lie. I
struggled a bit, right, I struggled a bit. I kept
comparing her to like Claire, and I'm like, you know
what if I didn't watch these in the same the
same week, like, you know, maybe I'd appreciate the Dark
Elf more. But like there's just something about the older anime. Man, Yep,
there's just It's true.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
They try, they try to have a little bit of depth,
where like other humans or characters in her old world
would be like prejudice towards her, And the way dark
elves work in this universe, it's like they feed off
of other people's energy and their inner like thoughts and emotions.
So our main character has very positive thoughts towards the
Dark Elf, and then that kind of reflects her feelings
towards her. He also saved her, of course, damsel in
(06:01):
the stress type situation. They tried, they tried to write
some stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
You know, I will say I did appreciate that part
where it wasn't everything revolving entirely around the main character.
Like obviously she's the younger, so she's gonna get jealous
at times, but uh, the schoolgirl that is in this
class that kind of has a crush on him, you know,
she seemed like a little bit of like a nerd,
like to read a lot, So the concept of like
(06:24):
an eekai was like really cool to her, right, So
she was just kind of fangirling over the dark elf initially,
and that was such a stark contrast to like, you know,
her getting discriminated against in that old world. Right, So
like the fact that they were able to kind of
bond there a little bit and uh closed closed that
gap a little bit, that was heartwarming.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
I did.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I did like that.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
So she made a friend and they were worried about,
like they went shopping for her and did little things
and then I don't know, I did appreciate those little details.
Would I watch more? Probably not. It's not exactly my
cup of tea anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
But I will say episode here or there, I could
maybe seem self watching it because it's it's not like
it drags it on too much, right, It is like
twelve minute episodes, so or it's like short episodes, so
I think that helps helps a lot. It doesn't take
itself too seriously fair and knows what it is.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
I genuinely like the points that you guys make, and
absolutely it's just a generic trashy, dumpster fire anime that
you just watch on your own time and you're like, yeah, yeah,
that's cool, and then you just move on to the
next one. So if nothing else so fun to watch
hard time, it's just super simple, super easy.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
If you like it, you like it. If you don't,
you don't.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
If you're an Etchy fan, you will love this. If
you're not, then yeah, I forget about it. Which I
know you. I know Briggs is not an Etchy fan,
but Jordan, I know you are.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I go back and forth, like I don't love it,
but it doesn't ever bother me at all, right, like
like it does a lot of people, So uh, I
appreciate it every now and again.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I don't dislike Etchy for the reasons other people dislike Chi.
I feel like other people dislike Achi because they're like
this is like weird or different or like ruining the plot.
I feel if the anime is good, I don't give
a fuck. I watch Food Wars, I watched No Game,
No Life. Like if the anime is good or I
like the anime, I don't care about. The itchy is
never something that's bothered me. But when the point of
the show tends to be the etchy, I'm just like
(08:17):
just just smash already.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
No, I think that's a great call out. I'm very
much the same way and that, like I'm very desensitized
to it, Like I don't even notice it. A lot
of times where it's like bothering other people doesn't bother
me at all, Like like I'll be like that had
itchy in it, Like I don't even notice. But if
it's the entire show is acchy for the sake of ecchy,
it can be a little bit hard to watch. So yeah,
(08:39):
I think.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
So high School DXC, well, it is actually for the
sake of acchy. A lot of the time, it does
do it well. It has good fights, a good power system,
sometimes some good story Like despite High School dx's main
point being etchy. It feels like that, like the first
and foremost. I do think High School DXC is actually
a banger.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Season one of DxD was that was funny. I want
to read it at some point. But I think I
struggled with that one because I watched it like a
couple of years ago, like as an adult, right, So
like I wasn't fourteen or fifteen when I watched it,
So there's there's certain times I watched it.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I just I watched DxD back in high school, when
I was still in high school.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I watch I feel like if you watch it at
that point in your life, it's going to be peaked
for you.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Like there's maybe that's why I'm I watched it when
I was when I was fourteen, fifteen years old. I'm like,
you know what, Yeah, I still have fond memories like
that anime was good.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I will defend it no matter what.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
It has a lot of fans.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
I want to watch its dumb as well. In dumb
true because I was one of my first anime. Because
it was one of my first as.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I watched it in dub too. The double was good,
Like I said, it cracked me up. In that first season, Like,
there were some good little one liners and singers in there.
But uh, but enough about the X.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
I don't know why I watched so much at You
when I was a kid man high school, DxD to
lover and a lot of those.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
U two lovers another one. I liked it as a kid,
like I watched all of the season one, but trying
to rewatch it, I struggled a little bit. Like, so
that's another good example.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
True, we're going off topic.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Let's let's go to Let's go, let's go to Claymore.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I do want to save the best for last. I
probably have the most to talk about four Samurai X.
But yes, that was beautiful. I honestly think it's in
my top twenty favorite things I've ever watched. Okay, Claymore, like,
I want to rewatch it again. Anyway, Claymore, let's talk
about Clamore. You guys, give me your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I'm mad I only watched the first three episodes. I'll
recon go from therapy once, but like, all right, the
ending good episode three. It's like the biggest cliffhanger, and
I stopped, and I hate myself for it. I need
to watch more of it.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I'm sort of mixed on this anime. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
It's like good, but also I feel like it's it's
gonna get a little bit worse. I don't know why,
but anyways, so my first impressions for the show is
that it's solid. It's not amazing, but it's it's just
it's nice to have, you know, an overpowered protagonist who
is female for once, because these days, you guys, know
(11:07):
how it's just always males, males, males, males, But it's
nice to get a female for once. Even though this
is old in two thousand and seven. But the show
is very gory and it's dark. It's about these monsters
they call them I think Yoma, and they come.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
They want to feast on people and shit.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
And there's special people with powers and they are called
Claymore and one of them is called Clear. So she
saves a bunch of people and using her cold powers
and slaying those demons, and she saves a guy called Raki,
and then he goes with her on her adventures. But
the problem starts here. I don't know about Raki man.
(11:50):
I feel like he's just a waste of space. He's
just such an average guy. He's nothing special at all,
Like why does he even want to go on at an
adventure with a even slaying woman, Like it just kind
of doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I'll annoying.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
But yeah, I don't know about him.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Man, he's a little bit annoying. But I will say, like,
whenever a character starts down like that, there's room for growth.
But in that first episode, in that first episode, I
was annoyed with the rest of like the world in
the cast. Because not to say I wasn't enjoying the series.
I hear compared to Berserk a lot. I had high
expectations going in and I was enjoying it. But this
(12:32):
hot blonde half demon goddess like walks into the town.
Everybody's scared of her. Everybody's scared of her. They're they're
they're closing their windows, they're closing their doors. And he
was the only one to like, you know, have an
interest to be like, you know what, I found a
little bit nice to her, just just have a conversation,
(12:54):
and you know, he ends up getting to uh she
He's the reason we kind of get to know her
a little bit better, right, Like she kind of closes
off the world. Is tries to be cold, but like
you can tell she's a little bit kind of heart
from the the times where she helps him out, the
times that she helps those guys.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
She is emotional though she's emotionless. She tries to be
very cold.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
She tries to be but like you can tell. Even
she even says like, don't expect kindness from me, but
her actions say otherwise. Right, So there's always like a
little bit of that from her saving his life to
like bring him do an in or saving those guys
in episode three, but like we only get to know
her because of him, right, because my boy took the risk.
He's like, I'm not going to discriminate against the hot
(13:35):
blonde girl that you know with gray eyes or all
these clay wars as you call it, Like they're they're
kind of cool, they're kind of neat, and I respect
them for that. Okay, both don't be getting on my boy.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
So I don't like it as much as I did
it in my memory because I probably watched this when
I was like fourteen fifteen years old, and I did
remember liking it a lot, and I read a bit
of the manga as well, and I did. I think
the manga is better than the anime, which tends to
be the case with all lot of like older anime
sometimes esp Actually what I was like, I watched the
dub back in the day with is not the best
dub to be honest, But anyway, I do like the
(14:09):
the contrast between Claire and Rocky, and Rocky kind of
bringing out her human side sometimes and maybe keeping her
alive in a way because her friend who was also
a Claymore who at a certain point, like you're you're
You're at this constant struggle with the Yomi, with the
Yoma or Yomi within you, and essentially at a certain point,
(14:30):
the Yoma takes over and you are no longer yourself.
So I feel like having someone that's able to keep
your human side human like Rocky is like a good
little It's a good contrast.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I don't know. I remember liking the show a lot.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I want to watch more because I wasn't in love
with the first three episodes upon rewatch.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah, it's that's why it's solid.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
It's just to me Rocky, like I know he's there
for like the romance side of things and to to
keep her humanity there is like, calm down, girl, Calm down,
don't read, don't go berserk yet, Like, okay, we understand,
but I still feel like he's just a waste of space.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
He's just there.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
He got tagging along, and I know he got kicked out.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Parry got killed, his brother, his uncle got killed, and
he got kicked out of his town.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
He was saved by Where's he gonna go?
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Dude?
Speaker 6 (15:18):
I know? But the thing is, I feel like he's
really gonna get the way of this girl. I have
no idea how, but he's just gonna get in the
way somehow, some way.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, get in the way of hurt coming, turning into
a yoma saving her life, becoming her safe.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Or or he's gonna get himself in trouble and she
has to constantly save him, like I'm here to save you.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I don't know, It's just I have these weird thoughts
on me.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
That's why I feel like this enemy is just gonna
get bad, you know what?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Speaking of what Briggs was saying just a little bit earlier,
and with recon spitting all these facts, I think when
I'm flip up a little bit, I don't like Rocky either.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
I got damn.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Rocky all right, episode two, skinboard Claire, she walked out
this town.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
They should have been like which at the state which
she could do math which.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
So you know how you said that Clay wars are
you know? And they constantly have that battle within because
at some point they lose touch with that humanity and
with Claire's friend, her her only friend, she felt like
she was on that edge. She said. She reached out
to Claire with that letter, you know, saying I want you,
my friend, to come kill me while I'm still human. Right,
(16:36):
So that was like the emotional part of episode two,
and Rocky just complete third party, no relations to this woman,
looks whoever?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Who is he?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Who is he?
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Who is that man?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
She's in the middle of transforming, right, She's like, kill
me while I'm still human, and he tries to stop player.
He's like, Claire, don't do this, And I'm like, Rocky,
what are you doing? Like if if we're in the
middle of a zombie apocalypse? Okay, and I'm in the
like I got bit, I'm about to my time's coming
to an end, and on my briggs, I want to
die a human, kill me while I'm still human. I
don't want like Briggs's friend that I've never met before.
(17:09):
My wife being like Briggs, don't do it. I'm like no,
I'm telling him to do it. Just let him do it,
all right, please do Yeah, he's.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
It did have one of those things as well with
Rocky that a lot of exposition re explaining things he
seems like obviously very not the brightest, little naive and
ignorant and stuff, and just that doesn't I think they
use Rocky as a way to inform the audience about
a lot of things about Claim Wars. But it's like, Okay,
I already picked up on that, like fucking five minutes ago,
and he's like, they're.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Half this and half that.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Was really bad about that?
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Yeah, the thing is this, this is such a straightforward show,
like it's so easy to understand, like, okay, you got
a claym more.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
She slays demons and she's fighting her in her demons.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Something like Okay, what is the point of this human
character who is so useless though?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
To keep her human? But also, yeah, I'm annoying as
that scene bothers.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Annoying Jordan the scene where the scene where he.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Tried to hold her back from essentually like doing that
person's final wish before dying or before losing her soul.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That annoyed me as well.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Fuck Rocky Laymar At this point, Yeah, I was curious, great.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
We forgot to rate Dark What what would you guys?
Rate it?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Two point five out of ten?
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Ten?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
You know I usually rate stuff like pretty harshly. I'm
not gonna lie like that. My average is like a five,
and I wouldn't say this was close to average. But
I like Yonder rays and I like Dark Ills, and
you know it, he hit all my weak points. I'm
gonna give it a three point five higher than breaks.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, I'll give it. Uh Rica, do you want to
rate your own anime?
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Four point five?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Nice?
Speaker 6 (18:59):
And this is what he watch guys, Okay, it was
It's an animate to make you guys suffer.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
That's it, Clay More. I'm gonna try and not be biased.
You guys go first.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
So I liked it. I was curious on how much
of like the exposition and things like that were. Uh,
we're just adaptation because I want to read it. At
some point, I've heard great things about the manga. I
did enjoy what I watched of it. I'd say based
on just the first three episodes though, I'd probably give
it like a six out of ten for now, but
it has my interest enough where I'd want to keep
(19:30):
watching it and see what happens next. Like I said,
I we ended at a terrible spot end of episode three.
First two episodes, we're so self contained, and then episode
three is like where I wants to throw the big
cliffhanger at us in a link.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I know I was going to get stabbed through the chest,
and it's like, Okay, we need to watch episode four.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Yeah. I watched that one like first though, so I
was like, I've got to like make sure I watch
these other shows if I keep going, I'm I might
not like I'm gonna give them a five point five.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Five point five for.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Me, I'll give it.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I'll give it a SI, I'll give it a six.
I'll not be biased. I remember liking it man, which
is really sick. I the expedition annoyed the funk out
of me, and I remember I've also read them long
and I do think the long that's probably a little
bit better. You probably won't want you're not able to
hear Rocky's voice. I'm just kidding chat anyway, let's move
(20:20):
on to what we've all been waiting for, Samurai.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Before you guys give your thoughts on it. I do
want to just say last week got I got vetoed.
You know, I tried to make us watch like I
got vetoed, like I tried to make us watch a
happy Magical Girl anime, and you guys, maybe pick something else.
Then I chose this. I'm sorry for choosing this back
to back weeks with like the Kope, like, I feel
like it's too depressing anime in a row. But aside
(20:48):
from that, I just wanted to give that apology real
quick and then, uh depressed, give me your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
This was okay, It wasn't that depressing.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Cope was way more depressing.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Come on, I feel like recon watched the wrong thing
I got.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
They literally watched right the Trust and Betrayal right though,
oh yes, yes, yes, yes, honestly.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
To Kobe was way more depressive.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah well it was.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Let's just let's just save the discussion, Brigs, you go first.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It was it blew my mind. I didn't I've watched
Rooney Tensrin and I like Rooney Keensrin. I don't love
Ruoney tnsrion. I loved this OVA four episode series. It
was beautiful. I don't know what year it came out,
but like nineteen ninety nine, why is the swordsman ship
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and the choreography of some of those sword swings better
than what we're getting in twenty twenty five? It depressed
me how good some like, don't get me wrong, some
of the stuff you couldn't see what happened, and they
just kind of like it was sometimes a little powerpointy,
but that happens in all animes. We're like, yeah, the
sword swing was so fast whatever. But the ones where
you actually see the movement of the person and the
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swings and the clashing of the swords or the like
slipping by the swords, it was just I could have
just watched hours of that alone, let alone a story
of this kid who was I.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Don't even know what I guess he was.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
He was like picked up in like a slave trade,
but then the people that were taking care of him
got killed, and then he got rescued by this samurai
and then the samurai trade trained him. I also sounded
really really found it really really funny how he's like,
what's your name?
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Kid?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
And he's like, well not anymore. That's a kid, dad,
And I got what I get now your kenchin now,
but I get what they were going for.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
It's like this.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Kid's been so like through so much and like he's
gonna have to he had to mature or being forced
to see and mature a lot faster than and he
could kid should and he's kind of being thrown into
this world of being a samurai and training and later
on what happens. So I get the idea of what
our guy that that samurai guy was very philosophical, so
he's just like this kid has done more scene more
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than any kid should. He's no longer a kid. You
are now kenshin. At least that's what I think they
were going for. I overanalyzed some of these series, but
I really really really like Samurai AIXI. Before we talk
about it more, I do want to hear your general
thoughts ricon.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
So watching this it actually made a lot of sense
now because having watched the New Roney kensin the remake
both seasons, the characters in this one, the Trust and Betrayal,
actually some of them did come back and I instantly
just recognize, like I'm like, oh, this is what happened.
This is how they started. That's their backstories, and I'm like,
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this is good. This is very good.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
So this is.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
The origin of how Himura Kenshin became the legendary Hitokiti Batusai,
the manslayer who just kills people NonStop and he's just
completely undefeatable. Like Brigg said, he was first of all
enslaved the people who cared for him, and then he
was rescued by his mentor named uh say Judo, who
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then trains him to become the manslayer.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
He's to become the manslayer. Our guy was the philosophical,
like peace person. He he didn't join in on any side,
even though he had had the power probably to like
change a conflict and save people. And also he kind
of had the mindset of like joining one side, like no, no,
either side's not right here. If you join one side,
you're just killing innocent people, potentially innocent people. So what's
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called our main character, Tension, actually did the exact opposite
of what.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
His mentor wanted.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
He joined the war or this conflict, and he tried
He's like, I'm gonna use my swordsmanship to save people
for defense, but in reality he turned into this like
man slaying assassin, and he thought what he was doing
was right. But as you later find out, the ripple effect.
He murders this guy who like a guard he had,
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who had a fiance, and it CAUs this chain of
events that led towards the end of the story. But
sorry to cut you off there, recall I just he
wasn't train. He was trained, and he ended up reclining.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I know, I'm just making it sound.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Cools, yes, but uh yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
He's so he his mentor trains him to like, you know,
learn how to use the.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Sword, and he he would have is like this before.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
He's this kind hearted guy, but as soon as he
gets his first kill, that's when things changed within him,
Like his heart completely becomes corrupted in a way, so
that his rest of his actions now is just continuously
slay people until he made a vow, a very special
vow where he won't kill again, and he learns new
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techniques so that he doesn't use like his sword to kill,
but in ways to subdue his enemies instead of killing them.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
So that's how he becomes that we know today because
can yeah, and that's how today doesn't kill anyone.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Right, yeah, even in the new ones, he uses like
a lot his techniques just to subdo enemies so he
doesn't kill them. So this is a very good backstory.
I really enjoyed it. Solid animation even for a nineties anime,
great sword choreography, great fights, all leading up to where
it is now.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
So yeah, I think this with this Samurai X backstory
or ova, was better than anything I've watched in Ruiny Kenshin.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I'm so glad you guys liked, like you insane, happy,
being decent, compared like when you are, compared to when
you first heard it was nineties recon. You said, it's
so worried.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Honestly I was.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I was worried, but it was very good, solid, very solid.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Like I feel like this has to go on my
like top list. I don't know where I'm going to
place it. I'd have to like figure it out, but
it's it's one of the best things I've watched in
a long time. But also it's like also exactly my
cup of tea as well, like for example, like Takope
Original Sin one of the best things I've watched in
a long time, but it's not exactly my preferred type
(27:05):
of show. So it's never gonna end up in my
top ten, despite.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
The fact that I love it.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Right Samurai acts, dude, it's up there for me. I.
It was a beautiful story. It made me understand why
Kenshin is the way he is now, and like seeing
him go through these waves of like development and change, because,
like you said, after his first kill, he changed. You see,
like this color in his eye disappear, but then it
(27:29):
starts to come back once Tomoe becomes his sheath right,
maybe allows him to keep his humanity a little bit.
But then we get all the reveals. Tomoay was the
fiance of the guy that he killed. She initially went
there to murder him, but then ended up falling in love,
which is tragic as fuck that she like she ends
up falling in love. He fell in love with her,
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and it was like started to enjoy this time of
peace and he finally started to see what his what
is like his mentor had been saying, right, and then
they set the trap and you have that insane ending.
Oh my god, I was so sad.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
He I genuinely don't even know why the new Roney
Kenshin didn't even remake this one.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
They I don't know why they didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Remake the origins.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Well, this is a uh, which is about I don't
know what at what point they're at in the in
the remake, but this is a backstory that takes place
later on in the manga, like after everything from the
original anime, right this is uh, this would be like
after that Kyoto arc that ends that the nineteen ninety
six anime. They go back and they explore this backstory
before they go further into the manga.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
So I think we are at I think we have
ended at the Kyoto arc with the new one.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Okay, I think so they might have touched on some
of this stuff, but like, I guess a bit of
backstory here is. I read Kensin way back in the day,
and I read like pretty much the entirety of the manga,
and then I watched all all this stuff and uh.
And it's one of those things where I'm pretty good
about separating the art from the artists. I always like, uh,
at least tell myself I am. But for years now,
(29:01):
I've never really quite been able to go back and
like revisit Kenshin at all. So this is like my
first time watching it in forever and it reminded me
of like what I liked so much about it was
the tone that they captured with this Oba series is
just such a stark contrast to everything else in Kenshin. Yeah,
and it really just it puts you in that time period, right,
(29:22):
because the Meiji Restoration period period very depressing time and
he is in a point in his life where he's
doing these that aren't really it's not really making him
out to be a hero, right. He is killing in
cold blood a lot. He's not really a well read kid.
He's a well meaning kid. He's not a bad guy,
but he's he has this like blind idealism that leads
(29:43):
him to to do all these things like for other people,
and he's telling himself it's the right thing, right, But
at the end of the day, it's a bunch of
bloodshed and he's doing all this and you know, not
really heeding his master's words. His master's words are, you know,
to protect the people close to you. And by the
time somebody close that he wants to protect, it's that
his very sins from prior to that that ended up
(30:05):
getting her killed.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
So it's uh, it's very watching that this morning again.
Man I depressed as hell, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
That final swing where like you don't even see her coming,
but he doesn't see anyone coming either, and he just
slices through both of them at the same time, killing
his like the love of his life that changed him
so much.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, and the fact that she fell in love with
him over the course of that of that as well,
because you know, they spent a lot of time together.
She saw that more human side to him, and like
spending time humanized him past just some of the actions
he had committed. Right, Like, she saw that he was
pretty pretty kind at heart, right, Like he wasn't well,
we're ill meaning, he just uh was just kind of
(30:49):
a little bit misguided and uh and very not even misguided.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
It just.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I don't know, he just he was well meaning, but
like the actions themselves are you know, are sinful. Nonetheless,
I guess is a good way to put it, because.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I guess his mindset was I have this power, I
have this strength that could help people. And he came
from the side that was like taken advantage of by
the current schrogunate and the current rules right with slavery
and these other things that were going. So he thinks
joining the faction that's fighting against the shogunate that's doing
this rebellion, is able to use his weaponry or his
(31:27):
mastery in swordsmanship to like help.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
People, when in reality.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
He was kind of just ended up being used as
a tool to meet certain ends and goals, and it
didn't even end up working out in the end.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
They still failed.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
They were ambushed at some point and that faction that
he was helping fell apart. So all that murder that
he did up until now was kind of for nothing
because the same shogunate stayed in power at least at
the time like when they had to like retreat, right, but.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Say for a bit, I think after that he does
keep fighting a little bit. Towards the end of last
episode there there is a there is a power change
there during the Meiji restoration and and whatnot. But uh, yeah,
it's like you said, there's always gonna be fault with
the people in power, right, and uh, it's it's one
of those things where, uh, if you're if you're trying
(32:17):
to overthrow that and stuff, there's ways to go about
it that doesn't involve like a lot of innocent bloodshed, right.
It kind of tackles those themes of like the the
cycle of of hatred, the things that can can go
wrong there right where that guy was.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
A bar was just a bodyguard, right, He was just
a bodyguard, a normal dude, wasn't really even trained that much.
He was doing it for his fiance, and then you
have this trickle effect where like this guy was killed,
and then the fiance gets affected, the father gets affected,
the son gets affected, so on and so forth. People
these guys have families and stuff. They're just he's just
another worker essentially, but he's not on your side because
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you're on the side of the rebellion.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
And then once someone else gets in power.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Let's not pretend that there's not gonna be other issues there,
especially during that time period. There's probably tons of issues
once a new new show going to ended up in power, right.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I think we see some of that in Keinshin, right, like,
as far as it's not like always rainbows, Yeah, so
it's but it's one of those where I think the
stark contrast between the kninsin that we typically know from
other aspects of the series, uh with you know him
in the backstory that is just going through this very
dark period in history and in committing these atrocious sins. Like,
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I don't know if it helps to paint the full
picture a little bit right, because the original Kinchin it's
more of a showon in it tackles it very lightheartedly
and like they reference these events in the past of
him being the thull side of man slayer, but they
you know, it's hard to like fully like appreciate that
with that lighthearted like shown in touch right, lighthearted back.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
We just think he get a bad ass backstory when
in reality it's the most tragic thing of all time.
He always used as a tool and then fell in love.
He ended up killing his love like it was just
so so tried, and all those events ended up leading
to him taking that val to never kill again.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
Don't worry, guys, you don't need to remember tomoy. She
wasn't even that important.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I was like cool when she died.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Don't worry. Kowu is best, Kwu is better, Kwu is better?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Oh good?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Does kowdu end up becoming his wife?
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Not yet, not yet, but she's she really loves some
of them, but not yet, got it?
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I read the manga so long ago that like it's
hard to recall. Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Anyway, yes, I was wrong.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
He did end up afterwards fighting for the rebellion once
again because he was already that committed, I guess to
like making this change that he sought after, and they
did succeed, correct. It was kind of like they did
it a little bit of a montage towards the end.
I'm more of event, like all those years or all
that time of killing initially, and then they ended up
with the ambush and then him like having.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
To like go into high yeah type of thing. They
went to hiding for like a year.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I think it was a long while, right, There was
a while, yeah, for the seasons to pass, for him
to like, you know, remember some of his time spend
as a boy, to start trying his hand at farming
again for you know, for that to kind of go awry.
And you can tell they spent quite a bit of
time out there, right, which is kind of why they
were able to fall in love and humanize the other. Yeah,
despite their circumstances.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
One thing that didn't bothered me a little bit is
he many times throughout the series had to fight groups
of swordsmen and like whatever, and he was able to
be successful. But then the ambush, the trap that they
finally planned. They sent like one person, and then another
one person, and then like yeah, two people, and then
like one final boss with note that used the fucking
and they use his fists, which is cool, but it's
(35:45):
like this ambush, it's only an ambush. The whole reason
to set a trap and have bait in the first
place is to not give our main assassin who's unbeatable,
a one v one Like.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
They didn't eventually go at him with the two V one.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
At one point.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, you're saying, but it should have been like at
least six dudes. Maybe he gets hit by a bow
and arrow and then like he kills he kills them
all bleeding and stuff. I know what they were going for,
but it's like.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
It's not as cool breaks three guys.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
They had pretty eyes.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
They were three pretty strong dudes. Yeah, but it helps
her to find these days, all right, due.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
This legendary assassin that like could like kilt the tide
of war.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
I will say, though, I do appreciate the part of
the plan where you know it's tackling it more from
like the human side of things, like no matter how
artless of a killer you think you are, Like they
went at him emotionally, right, they knew that her leaving
like would kind of be his undoing, and his head
wasn't all there as he like fought through them, right,
he was kind of going through the motions.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yeah, he felt betrayed by his wife or wife by
the love of his life. He thought that this this
person for this entire time was pretending in a way potentially, And.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I think there's a lot of guilt there as far
as like.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
What, yeah, I'm gonna kill you ricon, He felt.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Guilty, like learning with that realization that like he had
her throughout that right, Like even in that those moments,
his thoughts were more so on his actions rather than
on hers, Yeah, than on hers.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
But like there's the there was the thought of betrayal,
I guess, but it was it was definitely more so
the guilt on his side, having definitely a mix, Yeah,
because there was the chance that she was being used
as as or like he was part of the plan,
rather than.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Because the actual mole or like the rat guy himself
kind of came and told him, like, hey, it was
all according to her plan. She was the spy. She
she went there, No no go follow her? Right, So
U to lead up to that trap. I don't know
good oba series overall, though I liked. I liked how
it was put together. H A lot of slow moments,
(37:51):
but also some really good choreography in there. I don't know.
It's just as good as I remember, honestly.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Better than anything I expected, better than the entire already
of Roney Kenchin. I absolutely loved it. I'm giving it
a nine and a ten huge.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Watch the remake, Briggs.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
I think I have add an eight out of ten.
I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Give nine very good.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Let's go Hell yeah, you guys could have had a cute,
magical girl anime instead. You know that ship Man a
little bit of fun times heartbreaking god.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Okay, So for for next week, we are watching xxx Holick.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
That's Jordan's pick.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I guess yeah, yeah, I would ahead and watched it.
I enjoyed the three episodes. That's also I'm gonna make
you guys watch to cool. I'm gonna give chat there which.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Recon Do you have your pick?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
I'm thinking you if you have one, Brigs, give it if.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
You have listened here, I just don't know what to watch.
Did we already watch's Avatar was that that Chinese Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, I've recommended that.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yet we already did that.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Still the worst thing we've watched at this point.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Come on, that was not bad, it was.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
It was so bad.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
I thought about watching more than I started watching rewatching
Smartphone instead. I just.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Was literally rewatching the first episode of Smartphone while you
guys were discussing Yesterday's Yesterday's not Yesterday's last week's anime?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Have you watched there's this anime? Oh my god? A
camera was called Oh no, damn it.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Sorry, guys, there's this This is another Chinese animate that's
out right now.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Lord of Mysteries.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I think watching it very good.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I really want to watch it.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
It's it's very confusing but super high quality.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
But I have not seen it.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Okay, I am down for Lord of Mysteries as my
pick recon.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Do you have one?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I've already seen it.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I mean I have seen it.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Fine, we can still talk about it.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
It's relatively new, isn't it still airing? Yeah, it's hilarious,
so it's still fresh for you.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, but I've already seen the first three episodes.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
But anyways, I watched Berserk. Maybe didn't you say you want?
Speaker 6 (40:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:16):
I could just watch for me, hmm, lot's to choice from.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, for me, it's like if I if I've watched
something years ago, it's like, Okay, maybe we don't rewatch
it for the podcast sometimes, but like if we just
watch it, if we've watched it like this month or
like I think it's still it's still new and something
to talk about, something that's like it's like season.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Okay, here's a good one. I want you guys to
check out.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
The Weakest Tamer Began to Journey to be Cup trash.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah sounds trash.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yeah that one. Actually, I've seen the trailer and it
seems so like wholesome or not wholesome but also wholesome thereafter.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, it's Saturday.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
The Weakest Tamer a Journey. Yeah, it's very high quality.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Okay, actually I'm actually excited for this one. Let's go
The Weakest Tamer.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I'm not excited for it even a little bit, but.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Just letting you guys know.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
It got seven point fifty on mal so it's it's
very highly rated and it's a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
We'll say it's good.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
This one I considered watching, but like I probably would
not have watched on my own, but like, if Recon
recommends it, I'm more than happy to check it out.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, there we go. I guess we're watching whatever the
fuck that is.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
The Weakest Tamer began a journey but pick up trash
breaks and.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yep, that's the one. Just call it the Weakest Tamer.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
The Weakest Tamer.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
All right, guys, that's what we're watching for next week.
We are going to aim for Saturday at one. We
might have some changes in scheduling that we'll have to
talk about, but.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
That's what we're aiming at for now.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
I hope everyone enjoyed, and uh, I'll see you all
next time. Thanks for joining me, boys
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Thanks for having me bang
Yo, what is up?
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Boys?
Speaker 1 (00:01):
How's it going?
Speaker 3 (00:01):
And welcome back to another episode of the Rant Cafe
Anime Podcast. We are keeping this shit going today. We
are talking about Samurai X, the trust in betrayal Ouvier's.
We're talking about Yonder, a Dark Elf which is a
new trashy anime, and we're talking about Claymore, which is
an og one that I recommended.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
With me.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Today we have Jordan, the anime dude who recommended Samurai X.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
What up, bro?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
What up?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Everybody happy to be here, Hope everybody's doing well.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
And Samurai X that is the Rooney Tension like prequel
in a way.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Cool? Yeah, yeah, essentially it's adapting like an old flashback
from from later on in the manga, but it's like
just with a very different tone and and things like that,
so kind of adapt into into its own standalone thing there.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Very cool.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And of course for the trashy anime, we have Recon anime.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Recon.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Hello, I'm the one who recommended the Dark Elf.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
Orderline h anime, So yeah, that's gonna be fun to discuss.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Why am I not surprised?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
And men did Claymore? It was one I watched a
long time ago back in the day. I did remember
liking it and it was just like I did owe
it as well for my one of my Sabbathan goals
on twitch. As I watch, so I'm like, you know what,
as I'll do two birds with one stone. We were
supposed to watch xxx Holick as well. However, we weren't
very productive, or at least me and Ricon weren't, so
(01:20):
we will be carrying that one over to next week.
I think four is a little ambitious. I think three
is probably the way to go.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
Yeah, it's too much for me because I watched the
news and the new stuff that come out.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So I'm like, yeah, time.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
If you've already watched xxx Holick, I'll make that my
recommendation for next week. So you didn't do it in vain?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Perfect? Perfect?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Anybody out there? All right?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Which one I say? We talked about Yonder Dark I'll first,
we got to get off.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
You guys, got to kick it off.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I think saving the best for last is very old fashioned.
I'm more, yeah, let's just get.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It hell yeah, hell yeah, all right. DeAndre dark Elf
it held my attention. It is absolute trash. I don't know,
I just don't I don't know if it's just I've
outgrown it. I just don't get the point. I'm like,
just fuck already, like it just it just ENTI without
being Endi.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
They basically almost did like you're never getting there, bro.
I was midway through, like that second episode. I had
to send recon that meme of like where he's looking at.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
The uh the American dad the meter.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, and it's like it's anime, but it's like almost
hent thigh. It's like about the cross that threshold.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
They were they were getting kind of kind of heated
there for a bite that nurse's office.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So the main character the world starts off with our
main character and he's like the hero. He defeated the
demon lord and he was going back to his world,
and then there's this yander dark elf that's like I
want to come with you. She uses all her magic
to follow him back to our our world, and she
is just absolutely obsessed with the main character and wants
to smash him. Her dimensions are over the top, top ridiculous.
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She does have a childish looking face with pisces me off.
Why do they keep on doing this ship when she's
like angry and like seductive her face changes. I'm like,
that's the face she should have had the whole time.
Why did she put a seductive face when look young?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Else are meant to look young.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I guess that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
You know, she's like thousands of years old.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Come on, probably, I just.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Look at that picture you have on the screen right now.
That doesn't look That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
When her when her eyes get more like rectangular, she
looks her age, or if she looks, her face.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Matches her body.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And then when it gets super super moway, it bothers me,
and it never used to bother me.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I don't know what happened to me. I'm watched.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I'm not a real anime, friend, but it was. It
was that rock anime that you made us watch. It
was the same thing, the super thick, older woman with
just a mowey face. I'm like, I don't know what
bothered me.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I've still only seen the first episode of that rock anime,
but like it didn't seem that atchy to me overall.
Like I was just enjoying it for the science. But
I've seen so much official artwork since then where they're
just going hard with it. They're they're leaning into just her.
So I don't know. I don't know what to think anymore.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Yeah, what did you guys think about the beach episode
of Yonder?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Actually no, that's on the first time.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
That comes later on, but there is a super hot
beach episode.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
You guys would definitely get into it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I'm not surprised. I am not surprised. Yeah, but that's
more or less it.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
The premise is this dark olf world follow a girl
follows him back to this world and is obsessed with him.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
And wants to smash him.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
And more than that, I would say she's in love
with him, or she has said that many times. And
you get these weird, like crazy scenes, over the top
atchy scenes with It's like the bathroom scene in episode
one episode two or three has the volleyball she where
she hurts her ankle and then they are like I
almost ready to do it, and of course someone walks
in because this is actually and not HENTI, so it
has to be interrupted.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You might as well make it a hen ti. Just
just make it a hen tie. That's my stance.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie econ. I don't know if
I'm not gonna I don't know if I could watch more.
I'm not gonna say I didn't enjoy it because I'm
a big yonder a guy like I like a little
bit of crazy in my life, right, I like dark
elves a lot. Like that's they're just naturally attractive, Right,
there's a lot too.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, they are, but it's just.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
So surface level where there's like not much of a
point to it that like, I'm not gonna lie. I
struggled a bit, right, I struggled a bit. I kept
comparing her to like Claire, and I'm like, you know
what if I didn't watch these in the same the
same week, like, you know, maybe I'd appreciate the Dark
Elf more. But like there's just something about the older anime. Man, Yep,
there's just It's true.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
They try, they try to have a little bit of depth,
where like other humans or characters in her old world
would be like prejudice towards her, And the way dark
elves work in this universe, it's like they feed off
of other people's energy and their inner like thoughts and emotions.
So our main character has very positive thoughts towards the
Dark Elf, and then that kind of reflects her feelings
towards her. He also saved her, of course, damsel in
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the stress type situation. They tried, they tried to write
some stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
You know, I will say I did appreciate that part
where it wasn't everything revolving entirely around the main character.
Like obviously she's the younger, so she's gonna get jealous
at times, but uh, the schoolgirl that is in this
class that kind of has a crush on him, you know,
she seemed like a little bit of like a nerd,
like to read a lot, So the concept of like
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an eekai was like really cool to her, right, So
she was just kind of fangirling over the dark elf initially,
and that was such a stark contrast to like, you know,
her getting discriminated against in that old world. Right, So
like the fact that they were able to kind of
bond there a little bit and uh closed closed that
gap a little bit, that was heartwarming.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
I did.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I did like that.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
So she made a friend and they were worried about,
like they went shopping for her and did little things
and then I don't know, I did appreciate those little details.
Would I watch more? Probably not. It's not exactly my
cup of tea anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
But I will say episode here or there, I could
maybe seem self watching it because it's it's not like
it drags it on too much, right, It is like
twelve minute episodes, so or it's like short episodes, so
I think that helps helps a lot. It doesn't take
itself too seriously fair and knows what it is.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
I genuinely like the points that you guys make, and
absolutely it's just a generic trashy, dumpster fire anime that
you just watch on your own time and you're like, yeah, yeah,
that's cool, and then you just move on to the
next one. So if nothing else so fun to watch
hard time, it's just super simple, super easy.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
If you like it, you like it. If you don't,
you don't.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
If you're an Etchy fan, you will love this. If
you're not, then yeah, I forget about it. Which I
know you. I know Briggs is not an Etchy fan,
but Jordan, I know you are.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I go back and forth, like I don't love it,
but it doesn't ever bother me at all, right, like
like it does a lot of people, So uh, I
appreciate it every now and again.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I don't dislike Etchy for the reasons other people dislike Chi.
I feel like other people dislike Achi because they're like
this is like weird or different or like ruining the plot.
I feel if the anime is good, I don't give
a fuck. I watch Food Wars, I watched No Game,
No Life. Like if the anime is good or I
like the anime, I don't care about. The itchy is
never something that's bothered me. But when the point of
the show tends to be the etchy, I'm just like
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just just smash already.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
No, I think that's a great call out. I'm very
much the same way and that, like I'm very desensitized
to it, Like I don't even notice it. A lot
of times where it's like bothering other people doesn't bother
me at all, Like like I'll be like that had
itchy in it, Like I don't even notice. But if
it's the entire show is acchy for the sake of ecchy,
it can be a little bit hard to watch. So yeah,
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I think.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
So high School DXC, well, it is actually for the
sake of acchy. A lot of the time, it does
do it well. It has good fights, a good power system,
sometimes some good story Like despite High School dx's main
point being etchy. It feels like that, like the first
and foremost. I do think High School DXC is actually
a banger.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Season one of DxD was that was funny. I want
to read it at some point. But I think I
struggled with that one because I watched it like a
couple of years ago, like as an adult, right, So
like I wasn't fourteen or fifteen when I watched it,
So there's there's certain times I watched it.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I just I watched DxD back in high school, when
I was still in high school.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I watch I feel like if you watch it at
that point in your life, it's going to be peaked
for you.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Like there's maybe that's why I'm I watched it when
I was when I was fourteen, fifteen years old. I'm like,
you know what, Yeah, I still have fond memories like
that anime was good.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I will defend it no matter what.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
It has a lot of fans.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
I want to watch its dumb as well. In dumb
true because I was one of my first anime. Because
it was one of my first as.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I watched it in dub too. The double was good,
Like I said, it cracked me up. In that first season, Like,
there were some good little one liners and singers in there.
But uh, but enough about the X.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
I don't know why I watched so much at You
when I was a kid man high school, DxD to
lover and a lot of those.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
U two lovers another one. I liked it as a kid,
like I watched all of the season one, but trying
to rewatch it, I struggled a little bit. Like, so
that's another good example.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
True, we're going off topic.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Let's let's go to Let's go, let's go to Claymore.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I do want to save the best for last. I
probably have the most to talk about four Samurai X.
But yes, that was beautiful. I honestly think it's in
my top twenty favorite things I've ever watched. Okay, Claymore, like,
I want to rewatch it again. Anyway, Claymore, let's talk
about Clamore. You guys, give me your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I'm mad I only watched the first three episodes. I'll
recon go from therapy once, but like, all right, the
ending good episode three. It's like the biggest cliffhanger, and
I stopped, and I hate myself for it. I need
to watch more of it.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I'm sort of mixed on this anime. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
It's like good, but also I feel like it's it's
gonna get a little bit worse. I don't know why,
but anyways, so my first impressions for the show is
that it's solid. It's not amazing, but it's it's just
it's nice to have, you know, an overpowered protagonist who
is female for once, because these days, you guys, know
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how it's just always males, males, males, males, But it's
nice to get a female for once. Even though this
is old in two thousand and seven. But the show
is very gory and it's dark. It's about these monsters
they call them I think Yoma, and they come.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
They want to feast on people and shit.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
And there's special people with powers and they are called
Claymore and one of them is called Clear. So she
saves a bunch of people and using her cold powers
and slaying those demons, and she saves a guy called Raki,
and then he goes with her on her adventures. But
the problem starts here. I don't know about Raki man.
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I feel like he's just a waste of space. He's
just such an average guy. He's nothing special at all,
Like why does he even want to go on at an
adventure with a even slaying woman, Like it just kind
of doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I'll annoying.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
But yeah, I don't know about him.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Man, he's a little bit annoying. But I will say, like,
whenever a character starts down like that, there's room for growth.
But in that first episode, in that first episode, I
was annoyed with the rest of like the world in
the cast. Because not to say I wasn't enjoying the series.
I hear compared to Berserk a lot. I had high
expectations going in and I was enjoying it. But this
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hot blonde half demon goddess like walks into the town.
Everybody's scared of her. Everybody's scared of her. They're they're
they're closing their windows, they're closing their doors. And he
was the only one to like, you know, have an
interest to be like, you know what, I found a
little bit nice to her, just just have a conversation,
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and you know, he ends up getting to uh she
He's the reason we kind of get to know her
a little bit better, right, Like she kind of closes
off the world. Is tries to be cold, but like
you can tell she's a little bit kind of heart
from the the times where she helps him out, the
times that she helps those guys.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
She is emotional though she's emotionless. She tries to be
very cold.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
She tries to be but like you can tell. Even
she even says like, don't expect kindness from me, but
her actions say otherwise. Right, So there's always like a
little bit of that from her saving his life to
like bring him do an in or saving those guys
in episode three, but like we only get to know
her because of him, right, because my boy took the risk.
He's like, I'm not going to discriminate against the hot
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blonde girl that you know with gray eyes or all
these clay wars as you call it, Like they're they're
kind of cool, they're kind of neat, and I respect
them for that. Okay, both don't be getting on my boy.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
So I don't like it as much as I did
it in my memory because I probably watched this when
I was like fourteen fifteen years old, and I did
remember liking it a lot, and I read a bit
of the manga as well, and I did. I think
the manga is better than the anime, which tends to
be the case with all lot of like older anime
sometimes esp Actually what I was like, I watched the
dub back in the day with is not the best
dub to be honest, But anyway, I do like the
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the contrast between Claire and Rocky, and Rocky kind of
bringing out her human side sometimes and maybe keeping her
alive in a way because her friend who was also
a Claymore who at a certain point, like you're you're
You're at this constant struggle with the Yomi, with the
Yoma or Yomi within you, and essentially at a certain point,
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the Yoma takes over and you are no longer yourself.
So I feel like having someone that's able to keep
your human side human like Rocky is like a good
little It's a good contrast.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I don't know. I remember liking the show a lot.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I want to watch more because I wasn't in love
with the first three episodes upon rewatch.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah, it's that's why it's solid.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
It's just to me Rocky, like I know he's there
for like the romance side of things and to to
keep her humanity there is like, calm down, girl, Calm down,
don't read, don't go berserk yet, Like, okay, we understand,
but I still feel like he's just a waste of space.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
He's just there.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
He got tagging along, and I know he got kicked out.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Parry got killed, his brother, his uncle got killed, and
he got kicked out of his town.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
He was saved by Where's he gonna go?
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Dude?
Speaker 6 (15:18):
I know? But the thing is, I feel like he's
really gonna get the way of this girl. I have
no idea how, but he's just gonna get in the
way somehow, some way.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, get in the way of hurt coming, turning into
a yoma saving her life, becoming her safe.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Or or he's gonna get himself in trouble and she
has to constantly save him, like I'm here to save you.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I don't know, It's just I have these weird thoughts
on me.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
That's why I feel like this enemy is just gonna
get bad, you know what?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Speaking of what Briggs was saying just a little bit earlier,
and with recon spitting all these facts, I think when
I'm flip up a little bit, I don't like Rocky either.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
I got damn.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Rocky all right, episode two, skinboard Claire, she walked out
this town.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
They should have been like which at the state which
she could do math which.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
So you know how you said that Clay wars are
you know? And they constantly have that battle within because
at some point they lose touch with that humanity and
with Claire's friend, her her only friend, she felt like
she was on that edge. She said. She reached out
to Claire with that letter, you know, saying I want you,
my friend, to come kill me while I'm still human. Right,
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So that was like the emotional part of episode two,
and Rocky just complete third party, no relations to this woman,
looks whoever?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Who is he?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Who is he?
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Who is that man?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
She's in the middle of transforming, right, She's like, kill
me while I'm still human, and he tries to stop player.
He's like, Claire, don't do this, And I'm like, Rocky,
what are you doing? Like if if we're in the
middle of a zombie apocalypse? Okay, and I'm in the
like I got bit, I'm about to my time's coming
to an end, and on my briggs, I want to
die a human, kill me while I'm still human. I
don't want like Briggs's friend that I've never met before.
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My wife being like Briggs, don't do it. I'm like no,
I'm telling him to do it. Just let him do it,
all right, please do Yeah, he's.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
It did have one of those things as well with
Rocky that a lot of exposition re explaining things he
seems like obviously very not the brightest, little naive and
ignorant and stuff, and just that doesn't I think they
use Rocky as a way to inform the audience about
a lot of things about Claim Wars. But it's like, Okay,
I already picked up on that, like fucking five minutes ago,
and he's like, they're.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Half this and half that.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Was really bad about that?
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Yeah, the thing is this, this is such a straightforward show,
like it's so easy to understand, like, okay, you got
a claym more.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
She slays demons and she's fighting her in her demons.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Something like Okay, what is the point of this human
character who is so useless though?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
To keep her human? But also, yeah, I'm annoying as
that scene bothers.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Annoying Jordan the scene where the scene where he.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Tried to hold her back from essentually like doing that
person's final wish before dying or before losing her soul.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That annoyed me as well.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Fuck Rocky Laymar At this point, Yeah, I was curious, great.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
We forgot to rate Dark What what would you guys?
Rate it?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Two point five out of ten?
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Ten?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
You know I usually rate stuff like pretty harshly. I'm
not gonna lie like that. My average is like a five,
and I wouldn't say this was close to average. But
I like Yonder rays and I like Dark Ills, and
you know it, he hit all my weak points. I'm
gonna give it a three point five higher than breaks.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, I'll give it. Uh Rica, do you want to
rate your own anime?
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Four point five?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Nice?
Speaker 6 (18:59):
And this is what he watch guys, Okay, it was
It's an animate to make you guys suffer.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
That's it, Clay More. I'm gonna try and not be biased.
You guys go first.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
So I liked it. I was curious on how much
of like the exposition and things like that were. Uh,
we're just adaptation because I want to read it. At
some point, I've heard great things about the manga. I
did enjoy what I watched of it. I'd say based
on just the first three episodes though, I'd probably give
it like a six out of ten for now, but
it has my interest enough where I'd want to keep
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watching it and see what happens next. Like I said,
I we ended at a terrible spot end of episode three.
First two episodes, we're so self contained, and then episode
three is like where I wants to throw the big
cliffhanger at us in a link.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I know I was going to get stabbed through the chest,
and it's like, Okay, we need to watch episode four.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Yeah. I watched that one like first though, so I
was like, I've got to like make sure I watch
these other shows if I keep going, I'm I might
not like I'm gonna give them a five point five.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Five point five for.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Me, I'll give it.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I'll give it a SI, I'll give it a six.
I'll not be biased. I remember liking it man, which
is really sick. I the expedition annoyed the funk out
of me, and I remember I've also read them long
and I do think the long that's probably a little
bit better. You probably won't want you're not able to
hear Rocky's voice. I'm just kidding chat anyway, let's move
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on to what we've all been waiting for, Samurai.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Before you guys give your thoughts on it. I do
want to just say last week got I got vetoed.
You know, I tried to make us watch like I
got vetoed, like I tried to make us watch a
happy Magical Girl anime, and you guys, maybe pick something else.
Then I chose this. I'm sorry for choosing this back
to back weeks with like the Kope, like, I feel
like it's too depressing anime in a row. But aside
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from that, I just wanted to give that apology real
quick and then, uh depressed, give me your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
This was okay, It wasn't that depressing.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Cope was way more depressing.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Come on, I feel like recon watched the wrong thing
I got.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
They literally watched right the Trust and Betrayal right though,
oh yes, yes, yes, yes, honestly.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
To Kobe was way more depressive.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah well it was.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Let's just let's just save the discussion, Brigs, you go first.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It was it blew my mind. I didn't I've watched
Rooney Tensrin and I like Rooney Keensrin. I don't love
Ruoney tnsrion. I loved this OVA four episode series. It
was beautiful. I don't know what year it came out,
but like nineteen ninety nine, why is the swordsman ship
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and the choreography of some of those sword swings better
than what we're getting in twenty twenty five? It depressed
me how good some like, don't get me wrong, some
of the stuff you couldn't see what happened, and they
just kind of like it was sometimes a little powerpointy,
but that happens in all animes. We're like, yeah, the
sword swing was so fast whatever. But the ones where
you actually see the movement of the person and the
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swings and the clashing of the swords or the like
slipping by the swords, it was just I could have
just watched hours of that alone, let alone a story
of this kid who was I.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Don't even know what I guess he was.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
He was like picked up in like a slave trade,
but then the people that were taking care of him
got killed, and then he got rescued by this samurai
and then the samurai trade trained him. I also sounded
really really found it really really funny how he's like,
what's your name?
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Kid?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
And he's like, well not anymore. That's a kid, dad,
And I got what I get now your kenchin now,
but I get what they were going for.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
It's like this.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Kid's been so like through so much and like he's
gonna have to he had to mature or being forced
to see and mature a lot faster than and he
could kid should and he's kind of being thrown into
this world of being a samurai and training and later
on what happens. So I get the idea of what
our guy that that samurai guy was very philosophical, so
he's just like this kid has done more scene more
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than any kid should. He's no longer a kid. You
are now kenshin. At least that's what I think they
were going for. I overanalyzed some of these series, but
I really really really like Samurai AIXI. Before we talk
about it more, I do want to hear your general
thoughts ricon.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
So watching this it actually made a lot of sense
now because having watched the New Roney kensin the remake
both seasons, the characters in this one, the Trust and Betrayal,
actually some of them did come back and I instantly
just recognize, like I'm like, oh, this is what happened.
This is how they started. That's their backstories, and I'm like,
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this is good. This is very good.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
So this is.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
The origin of how Himura Kenshin became the legendary Hitokiti Batusai,
the manslayer who just kills people NonStop and he's just
completely undefeatable. Like Brigg said, he was first of all
enslaved the people who cared for him, and then he
was rescued by his mentor named uh say Judo, who
(24:05):
then trains him to become the manslayer.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
He's to become the manslayer. Our guy was the philosophical,
like peace person. He he didn't join in on any side,
even though he had had the power probably to like
change a conflict and save people. And also he kind
of had the mindset of like joining one side, like no, no,
either side's not right here. If you join one side,
you're just killing innocent people, potentially innocent people. So what's
(24:33):
called our main character, Tension, actually did the exact opposite
of what.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
His mentor wanted.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
He joined the war or this conflict, and he tried
He's like, I'm gonna use my swordsmanship to save people
for defense, but in reality he turned into this like
man slaying assassin, and he thought what he was doing
was right. But as you later find out, the ripple effect.
He murders this guy who like a guard he had,
(24:58):
who had a fiance, and it CAUs this chain of
events that led towards the end of the story. But
sorry to cut you off there, recall I just he
wasn't train. He was trained, and he ended up reclining.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I know, I'm just making it sound.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Cools, yes, but uh yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
He's so he his mentor trains him to like, you know,
learn how to use the.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Sword, and he he would have is like this before.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
He's this kind hearted guy, but as soon as he
gets his first kill, that's when things changed within him,
Like his heart completely becomes corrupted in a way, so
that his rest of his actions now is just continuously
slay people until he made a vow, a very special
vow where he won't kill again, and he learns new
(25:46):
techniques so that he doesn't use like his sword to kill,
but in ways to subdue his enemies instead of killing them.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
So that's how he becomes that we know today because
can yeah, and that's how today doesn't kill anyone.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Right, yeah, even in the new ones, he uses like
a lot his techniques just to subdo enemies so he
doesn't kill them. So this is a very good backstory.
I really enjoyed it. Solid animation even for a nineties anime,
great sword choreography, great fights, all leading up to where
it is now.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
So yeah, I think this with this Samurai X backstory
or ova, was better than anything I've watched in Ruiny Kenshin.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I'm so glad you guys liked, like you insane, happy,
being decent, compared like when you are, compared to when
you first heard it was nineties recon. You said, it's
so worried.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Honestly I was.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I was worried, but it was very good, solid, very solid.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Like I feel like this has to go on my
like top list. I don't know where I'm going to
place it. I'd have to like figure it out, but
it's it's one of the best things I've watched in
a long time. But also it's like also exactly my
cup of tea as well, like for example, like Takope
Original Sin one of the best things I've watched in
a long time, but it's not exactly my preferred type
(27:05):
of show. So it's never gonna end up in my
top ten, despite.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
The fact that I love it.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Right Samurai acts, dude, it's up there for me. I.
It was a beautiful story. It made me understand why
Kenshin is the way he is now, and like seeing
him go through these waves of like development and change, because,
like you said, after his first kill, he changed. You see,
like this color in his eye disappear, but then it
(27:29):
starts to come back once Tomoe becomes his sheath right,
maybe allows him to keep his humanity a little bit.
But then we get all the reveals. Tomoay was the
fiance of the guy that he killed. She initially went
there to murder him, but then ended up falling in love,
which is tragic as fuck that she like she ends
up falling in love. He fell in love with her,
(27:50):
and it was like started to enjoy this time of
peace and he finally started to see what his what
is like his mentor had been saying, right, and then
they set the trap and you have that insane ending.
Oh my god, I was so sad.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
He I genuinely don't even know why the new Roney
Kenshin didn't even remake this one.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
They I don't know why they didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Remake the origins.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Well, this is a uh, which is about I don't
know what at what point they're at in the in
the remake, but this is a backstory that takes place
later on in the manga, like after everything from the
original anime, right this is uh, this would be like
after that Kyoto arc that ends that the nineteen ninety
six anime. They go back and they explore this backstory
before they go further into the manga.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
So I think we are at I think we have
ended at the Kyoto arc with the new one.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Okay, I think so they might have touched on some
of this stuff, but like, I guess a bit of
backstory here is. I read Kensin way back in the day,
and I read like pretty much the entirety of the manga,
and then I watched all all this stuff and uh.
And it's one of those things where I'm pretty good
about separating the art from the artists. I always like, uh,
at least tell myself I am. But for years now,
(29:01):
I've never really quite been able to go back and
like revisit Kenshin at all. So this is like my
first time watching it in forever and it reminded me
of like what I liked so much about it was
the tone that they captured with this Oba series is
just such a stark contrast to everything else in Kenshin. Yeah,
and it really just it puts you in that time period, right,
(29:22):
because the Meiji Restoration period period very depressing time and
he is in a point in his life where he's
doing these that aren't really it's not really making him
out to be a hero, right. He is killing in
cold blood a lot. He's not really a well read kid.
He's a well meaning kid. He's not a bad guy,
but he's he has this like blind idealism that leads
(29:43):
him to to do all these things like for other people,
and he's telling himself it's the right thing, right, But
at the end of the day, it's a bunch of
bloodshed and he's doing all this and you know, not
really heeding his master's words. His master's words are, you know,
to protect the people close to you. And by the
time somebody close that he wants to protect, it's that
his very sins from prior to that that ended up
(30:05):
getting her killed.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
So it's uh, it's very watching that this morning again.
Man I depressed as hell, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
That final swing where like you don't even see her coming,
but he doesn't see anyone coming either, and he just
slices through both of them at the same time, killing
his like the love of his life that changed him
so much.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, and the fact that she fell in love with
him over the course of that of that as well,
because you know, they spent a lot of time together.
She saw that more human side to him, and like
spending time humanized him past just some of the actions
he had committed. Right, Like, she saw that he was
pretty pretty kind at heart, right, Like he wasn't well,
we're ill meaning, he just uh was just kind of
(30:49):
a little bit misguided and uh and very not even misguided.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
It just.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I don't know, he just he was well meaning, but
like the actions themselves are you know, are sinful. Nonetheless,
I guess is a good way to put it, because.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I guess his mindset was I have this power, I
have this strength that could help people. And he came
from the side that was like taken advantage of by
the current schrogunate and the current rules right with slavery
and these other things that were going. So he thinks
joining the faction that's fighting against the shogunate that's doing
this rebellion, is able to use his weaponry or his
(31:27):
mastery in swordsmanship to like help.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
People, when in reality.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
He was kind of just ended up being used as
a tool to meet certain ends and goals, and it
didn't even end up working out in the end.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
They still failed.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
They were ambushed at some point and that faction that
he was helping fell apart. So all that murder that
he did up until now was kind of for nothing
because the same shogunate stayed in power at least at
the time like when they had to like retreat, right, but.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Say for a bit, I think after that he does
keep fighting a little bit. Towards the end of last
episode there there is a there is a power change
there during the Meiji restoration and and whatnot. But uh, yeah,
it's like you said, there's always gonna be fault with
the people in power, right, and uh, it's it's one
of those things where, uh, if you're if you're trying
(32:17):
to overthrow that and stuff, there's ways to go about
it that doesn't involve like a lot of innocent bloodshed, right.
It kind of tackles those themes of like the the
cycle of of hatred, the things that can can go
wrong there right where that guy was.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
A bar was just a bodyguard, right, He was just
a bodyguard, a normal dude, wasn't really even trained that much.
He was doing it for his fiance, and then you
have this trickle effect where like this guy was killed,
and then the fiance gets affected, the father gets affected,
the son gets affected, so on and so forth. People
these guys have families and stuff. They're just he's just
another worker essentially, but he's not on your side because
(32:50):
you're on the side of the rebellion.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
And then once someone else gets in power.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Let's not pretend that there's not gonna be other issues there,
especially during that time period. There's probably tons of issues
once a new new show going to ended up in power, right.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I think we see some of that in Keinshin, right, like,
as far as it's not like always rainbows, Yeah, so
it's but it's one of those where I think the
stark contrast between the kninsin that we typically know from
other aspects of the series, uh with you know him
in the backstory that is just going through this very
dark period in history and in committing these atrocious sins. Like,
(33:25):
I don't know if it helps to paint the full
picture a little bit right, because the original Kinchin it's
more of a showon in it tackles it very lightheartedly
and like they reference these events in the past of
him being the thull side of man slayer, but they
you know, it's hard to like fully like appreciate that
with that lighthearted like shown in touch right, lighthearted back.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
We just think he get a bad ass backstory when
in reality it's the most tragic thing of all time.
He always used as a tool and then fell in love.
He ended up killing his love like it was just
so so tried, and all those events ended up leading
to him taking that val to never kill again.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
Don't worry, guys, you don't need to remember tomoy. She
wasn't even that important.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I was like cool when she died.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Don't worry. Kowu is best, Kwu is better, Kwu is better?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Oh good?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Does kowdu end up becoming his wife?
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Not yet, not yet, but she's she really loves some
of them, but not yet, got it?
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I read the manga so long ago that like it's
hard to recall. Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Anyway, yes, I was wrong.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
He did end up afterwards fighting for the rebellion once
again because he was already that committed, I guess to
like making this change that he sought after, and they
did succeed, correct. It was kind of like they did
it a little bit of a montage towards the end.
I'm more of event, like all those years or all
that time of killing initially, and then they ended up
with the ambush and then him like having.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
To like go into high yeah type of thing. They
went to hiding for like a year.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I think it was a long while, right, There was
a while, yeah, for the seasons to pass, for him
to like, you know, remember some of his time spend
as a boy, to start trying his hand at farming
again for you know, for that to kind of go awry.
And you can tell they spent quite a bit of
time out there, right, which is kind of why they
were able to fall in love and humanize the other. Yeah,
despite their circumstances.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
One thing that didn't bothered me a little bit is
he many times throughout the series had to fight groups
of swordsmen and like whatever, and he was able to
be successful. But then the ambush, the trap that they
finally planned. They sent like one person, and then another
one person, and then like yeah, two people, and then
like one final boss with note that used the fucking
and they use his fists, which is cool, but it's
(35:45):
like this ambush, it's only an ambush. The whole reason
to set a trap and have bait in the first
place is to not give our main assassin who's unbeatable,
a one v one Like.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
They didn't eventually go at him with the two V one.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
At one point.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, you're saying, but it should have been like at
least six dudes. Maybe he gets hit by a bow
and arrow and then like he kills he kills them
all bleeding and stuff. I know what they were going for,
but it's like.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
It's not as cool breaks three guys.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
They had pretty eyes.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
They were three pretty strong dudes. Yeah, but it helps
her to find these days, all right, due.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
This legendary assassin that like could like kilt the tide
of war.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
I will say, though, I do appreciate the part of
the plan where you know it's tackling it more from
like the human side of things, like no matter how
artless of a killer you think you are, Like they
went at him emotionally, right, they knew that her leaving
like would kind of be his undoing, and his head
wasn't all there as he like fought through them, right,
he was kind of going through the motions.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yeah, he felt betrayed by his wife or wife by
the love of his life. He thought that this this
person for this entire time was pretending in a way potentially, And.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I think there's a lot of guilt there as far
as like.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
What, yeah, I'm gonna kill you ricon, He felt.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Guilty, like learning with that realization that like he had
her throughout that right, Like even in that those moments,
his thoughts were more so on his actions rather than
on hers, Yeah, than on hers.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
But like there's the there was the thought of betrayal,
I guess, but it was it was definitely more so
the guilt on his side, having definitely a mix, Yeah,
because there was the chance that she was being used
as as or like he was part of the plan,
rather than.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Because the actual mole or like the rat guy himself
kind of came and told him, like, hey, it was
all according to her plan. She was the spy. She
she went there, No no go follow her? Right, So
U to lead up to that trap. I don't know
good oba series overall, though I liked. I liked how
it was put together. H A lot of slow moments,
(37:51):
but also some really good choreography in there. I don't know.
It's just as good as I remember, honestly.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Better than anything I expected, better than the entire already
of Roney Kenchin. I absolutely loved it. I'm giving it
a nine and a ten huge.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Watch the remake, Briggs.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
I think I have add an eight out of ten.
I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
Give nine very good.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Let's go Hell yeah, you guys could have had a cute,
magical girl anime instead. You know that ship Man a
little bit of fun times heartbreaking god.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Okay, So for for next week, we are watching xxx Holick.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
That's Jordan's pick.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I guess yeah, yeah, I would ahead and watched it.
I enjoyed the three episodes. That's also I'm gonna make
you guys watch to cool. I'm gonna give chat there which.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Recon Do you have your pick?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
I'm thinking you if you have one, Brigs, give it if.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
You have listened here, I just don't know what to watch.
Did we already watch's Avatar was that that Chinese Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, I've recommended that.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yet we already did that.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Still the worst thing we've watched at this point.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Come on, that was not bad, it was.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
It was so bad.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
I thought about watching more than I started watching rewatching
Smartphone instead. I just.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Was literally rewatching the first episode of Smartphone while you
guys were discussing Yesterday's Yesterday's not Yesterday's last week's anime?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Have you watched there's this anime? Oh my god? A
camera was called Oh no, damn it.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Sorry, guys, there's this This is another Chinese animate that's
out right now.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Lord of Mysteries.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I think watching it very good.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I really want to watch it.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
It's it's very confusing but super high quality.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
But I have not seen it.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Okay, I am down for Lord of Mysteries as my
pick recon.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Do you have one?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I've already seen it.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I mean I have seen it.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Fine, we can still talk about it.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
It's relatively new, isn't it still airing? Yeah, it's hilarious,
so it's still fresh for you.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, but I've already seen the first three episodes.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
But anyways, I watched Berserk. Maybe didn't you say you want?
Speaker 6 (40:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:16):
I could just watch for me, hmm, lot's to choice from.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, for me, it's like if I if I've watched
something years ago, it's like, Okay, maybe we don't rewatch
it for the podcast sometimes, but like if we just
watch it, if we've watched it like this month or
like I think it's still it's still new and something
to talk about, something that's like it's like season.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Okay, here's a good one. I want you guys to
check out.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
The Weakest Tamer Began to Journey to be Cup trash.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah sounds trash.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yeah that one. Actually, I've seen the trailer and it
seems so like wholesome or not wholesome but also wholesome thereafter.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, it's Saturday.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
The Weakest Tamer a Journey. Yeah, it's very high quality.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Okay, actually I'm actually excited for this one. Let's go
The Weakest Tamer.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I'm not excited for it even a little bit, but.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Just letting you guys know.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
It got seven point fifty on mal so it's it's
very highly rated and it's a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
We'll say it's good.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
This one I considered watching, but like I probably would
not have watched on my own, but like, if Recon
recommends it, I'm more than happy to check it out.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, there we go. I guess we're watching whatever the
fuck that is.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
The Weakest Tamer began a journey but pick up trash
breaks and.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yep, that's the one. Just call it the Weakest Tamer.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
The Weakest Tamer.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
All right, guys, that's what we're watching for next week.
We are going to aim for Saturday at one. We
might have some changes in scheduling that we'll have to
talk about, but.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
That's what we're aiming at for now.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
I hope everyone enjoyed, and uh, I'll see you all
next time. Thanks for joining me, boys
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Thanks for having me bang
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