For all the.. puppies??

Remember the days when clubbing was all about letting loose and dancing the night away? We do, and we miss it! The club scene has drastically changed, transforming from lively dance floors into spaces filled with couches and sections. The real human interaction we used to enjoy has been replaced by technology, and we're not fans of it. Join us as we look back nostalgically at the golden times of clubbing and express our longing for the days when you could actually find your girl in a club or church.

Furthermore, our old-fashioned love for dance floors leads us to a broader conversation about the impact of social media and online platforms on human interaction and dating. How have these digital platforms altered our behavior and expectations? Let's take a moment to ponder on the responsibility that comes with having a platform, especially when expressing opinions without causing offense. Does anyone remember the times when college football was more about the game and less about the politics? We do too. 

Finally, we shift our focus to music, specifically Drake's new album 'For all the Dogs' Are we the only ones who think he's not quite up there with J. Cole and Kendrick Lamar? We invite you to join us as we dissect his music and ponder on what his potential collaborations could mean for his career. So get comfortable, tune in, and let's indulge in a bit of nostalgia together. It's not just about lamenting the past, but also reigniting our love for dance and music, and discussing the current state of social media, sports, and music.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Yo, it's the real deal with a kill podcast.
Maybe back with another one.
Subscribe rate review, applepodcast, spotify.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
However, wherever you get your podcast, hey man, you
better start shouting outYouTube.
You need to start putting yourstuff on YouTube, bro.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
YouTube as well.
Tell me if you're getting aboutYouTube.
Tell me if you're getting aboutYouTube.
You gotta shout out to you.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I got to the real you .
That's what you gonna call it,the real.
All right.
Well, it's called.
Well, yeah, the real you.
But it starts with a while.
Shout out to you.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, nah, I ain't gonna forget about YouTube.
I got to start posting back onthere.
Actually, I almost thought Iforgot my password when I tried
to log in there a couple of daysago, but this is gonna be a
good one.
I do want to start off thispodcast, this episode, with this
, because I saw something onsocial media, on Instagram,

(00:50):
today and I just had to reposton my story because I've been an
advocate for this for yearsLiving in Houston.
We got to get rid of thesecouches and these clubs.
Like it's sickening to stillhave clubs and we're still in

(01:14):
the same mindset of thinkingthat we got to get a section,
thinking we got to stand on topof these sections, which is
couches that have cigaretteholes in them and shit and buy
these bottles and do all thesethings.
That's not fun.
Fun for me and I'm pretty sureI'm speaking for a lot of people
that's listening to this,that's gonna hear this is the

(01:36):
dancing Dancing and having fun,because when we sit here and say
we don't, when you ever talk tosomebody, I'm pretty sure you
talk to somebody and they sayI'm not really a club person, I
don't really like going likethat and actually I don't really
we all are.
But the fact there is that whenwe go out and go to these clubs
and have fun, it's going to beout of town, out the country,

(02:01):
vegas, anywhere out the country,wherever you wanna go, to
Cancun, whatever but in your owncity, like in Houston, where
people isn't dancing anymorebecause there's no space for it,
we get to the point where wehave to feel like we got a body
section to have a good time,which, in actuality, that's not

(02:22):
really having a good time.
Now, hey, they do have you wannahave a VIP section and do your
thing?
Cool, I wouldn't just wannaflood it around the whole
building.
That's where I'm coming fromwith it.
This the thing and easy canattach to this too.
Once I started going to NABJ in2015 and I seen nothing but

(02:43):
black folks in suits and heelsCause, that's the notion of
another thing.
That's another theory.
They say, oh, I need someone tosit down, my feet get tired.
That's a mind thing.
Tell them when we go to NABJmind people that be dancing in
heels.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Hey man, nabj man, that's a different breed man.
But the thing is you're sayingsuccessful African-American
people, you know talk abouttheir life, but you know they're
handling business.
But you know, to me you can'treally, really, really, you know
, say about the couches andstuff like that, because I think
it's a different scenario inthat kind of space because
people are actually sometimesdancing apart in, but they're

(03:18):
also there for the main thing isnetworking.
So, like usually, you know, forthe parties, you know, we out
there trying to have fun, youknow, but like in NABJ, I think
you can't, it's really nocomparison because it's all
about the network at the end ofthe day.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
It's all about the network in it.
So I'll say a story.
When I used to do Ubrin incollege, I remember I was with a
person that was visited fromJersey and it was his first
weekend out here in Houston andthe first thing he said to me
was like man, what, why don'tdance out here?
I'm like man, there ain't noplace to even there are some,

(03:54):
but it's flooded by couches,it's flooded by sections.
You ain't even have no space.
And that's the one thing peoplebe missing.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
No, but honestly no, but no, but it's not even that
too.
Honestly, to me, some of thesefemales just don't wanna dance
no more.
Like dancing is almost aforeign language.
It's almost like it gotta be onTikTok or on camera for you to
dance and you're not even doingthe real dance that you know

(04:23):
that body to body.
You're not doing none of thatanymore.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
So it's like you gotta really be on a date night
instead of seeing the girl out,exactly Because my thing is I
always want a picture to where,like the end of the night, take
the last 30 minutes instead ofplaying the hardest child music
or playing a little baby ormoney back to the end of the
club, I would say, look, there'sto be a DJ the last 30 minutes
to slow it down at the end.
You see that shit that you'vebeen looking at the whole night.

(04:49):
You know what I'm saying.
She kind of giving you hard toget a little bit them type of
vibes.
But then I would say like, hey,some KC and Jojo on, some Jo to
see on it's.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
You know this is dance, go ahead.
What song is it Keir?

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Shit man, it's a lot of them.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I wanna know what KC and Jojo what.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
KC and Jojo, it's so big.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's all my life I'll play that.
It's a lot of them.
I'm not gonna sit here.
A lot of you, I agree with you.
The only thing I disagree withthat last song.
It has to be Mo City DoneBefore you walk out of any club
in the city of Houston if you'renot playing the Mo.
The Mo, they gotta go, theygotta go.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, I mean ended off like that.
But my thing, I just think thatwhen I've seen that and I
reposted on my story, it wasmore so like man, like that's
something I've been talkingabout for years.
It's documented.
I've always been like you.
Mean you still got grooves, itwas like one of the last ones,
but I ain't been in grooves inforever.
You used to have Drink Houstonback in the day.

(05:49):
Like Drink Houston, before itclosed down, was the last of the
dance floor, like all the clubs.
I think that's where we'regetting there Now.
I think people would start isgetting sick and tired of trying
to find other places to havefun.
Like clubbing was part of datenights back in the day.
I asked my brother all the timeback in the day Like they was
going to the clubs to have funand have a good time.

(06:11):
That was date night.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
But you gotta realize , though, like less social media
, less phones, you know what I'msaying.
So I think it's a you know, wecan't, we really can't compare
Like, you know what I'm saying.
Like they, I'm pretty sure ifthe arrows were reversed it
might be the same thing thesedays, but like, obviously, you
know, at the end of the day,like you know, there's no dating
websites.

(06:33):
Like, if you want to meet afemale, you gotta go up there.
You feel me, it forces you toget.
You know.
That's why I just feel likewe're missing kind of the social
aspect these days, because youknow, you know you can type back
.
Then is, rather, the only wayyou can type is if you're
writing a note, and eventuallyyou gotta kind of face them.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
You have to find your girl in the club.
Back then your girl was in theclub.
I mean, which was in the back?
The club or the church?
Yeah, the club or church orlibrary or club now, cause it
has a bad taste and people smilewhen you say club now, back
then taste to me all the time.
They was on the dance floor andthe Rockers was winning back in
the 90s they was on the samedance floor with.
It was Jodeci.

(07:13):
I think saw it from Southernpeople, one of the two Next to
him on the dance floor, likethat's.
You know you ain't gonna getthat vibe, you go out to
somewhere.
Next to you is Cardi B andOffset.
That's not gonna happen, nomore.
Sexy red yeah, they ain't gonnabe sharing a dance floor with
them.
It's at this day and age, it'simpossible.
They're gonna have 10 securityguards and all that 10?

(07:33):
.
But I think one day we gonnaget back to that point.
But you know it always circlesback around.
But that was like my littleevent of well, I was event
number one, yeah, event numbertwo.
Talk to me, as long as I've beendoing this podcast, as long as
I've been in this field, doingthis for six years.
I never really tapped in and Inever really talked about the

(07:58):
things people go through whenthey have a podcast or hell
being in journalism or anythinglike that.
I'm gonna give a quick story.
I'm not gonna say no names.
This past weekend somebody Iknow has a podcast and I guess
they touched on the topic andthey asked you know, they put on

(08:21):
their story.
They asked their viewers abouta certain topic.
I think it was about, you know,dots and hoes.
I forgot what it was, that needto hear no, dare the part.
She reposted a screenshot of themessage he sent to her.
Basically, he said he likes toshow what they do.

(08:42):
He just disagreed with her andwhat she was saying and was like
, basically, it's like that cangive like some whole vibes, some
things, just out of there, blah, blah.
You know who?
Response was Boy, shut up.
Now, maybe she knew the person,I don't know, but the way the

(09:02):
response was, I doubt it.
I hit her up.
I said yo, like you know, he'sjust given of opinion about
something that he don't disagreewith.
I mean, you ain't gotta go offon him like that, I don't care,
you gotta, you gotta just goingoff.
I said man like I understandwhere you coming from, but at
the end of the day, you have aplatform.
You have a platform either asmall, big, whatever man.

(09:26):
Somebody disagreed with you.
You can't feel a certain wayabout it.
Again, I don't give a fuck, Idon't care about blah, all right
.
So I get on my story and I saywhat I have to say about the
whole thing this past weekend,because I'm bringing this up to
say this like that's one of thethings that come with it when

(09:49):
you start a platform.
You know it, you don't.
When I started this podcast sixyears ago, I knew from the jump
I don't want nobody.
I don't want everybody to justagree with what I'm saying.
I don't want just one side, Idon't want everybody to be like
yeah, yeah you right, you right,that's true.
I said some things that I knowpeople the wrong way possibly.
When I went on one time andsaid, hell, all racists are

(10:13):
Republicans, all Republicans areracists, I said that 2020, I
was 26 years old.
I got some people like, man,now you tripping on that, blah,
blah, blah.
And I got some people thatagree.
But I'm not gonna sit here andjust want everybody to agree.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Can we tell them, man , I'm the dude that still says
that.
You know, shaq is the mostoverrated center.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, you have your pin on that.
And my thing is this if anybody, if you're gonna step on a
platform, you're gonna have anopinion about something.
At least back it up withsomething.
Don't just say it just to get aclick or don't get mad when
somebody disagree with you.
When you had a platform, whenyou're just not starting off and

(10:52):
the audience isn't a fill outarena, what's gonna happen when
you get to that point?
If you wanting to get to thatpoint, if your dreams and
aspirations ain't trying to getto make it the biggest podcast
or platform, it is that Iwouldn't care to, then I'm gonna
stay out of that.
That's none of my business.
But if you are trying to aspireto be something greater than
where you at now with it, then acomment like that about

(11:16):
somebody disagreeing with you isnothing.
What's happened when you getracist slurs, people trying to
cancel you out?
That's the part of the game.
It can't just agree withanybody that they say it's not
gonna happen.
There's so many things.
There's some things I said thatI'd never posted on social
media that I feel like that wasmeant.
Look, I'm not posting this atall.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, but I'm not afraid of the comments the, the,
the, the, the, the, the, the,the.
I think it's just me, just youhave to just be tough minded.
Like you know, once you turn onthe camera, once you turn on
the video for everybody to see,like, trust me, there there is
plenty of of of of of highschool gyms that I've walked in

(11:57):
and said I was like, yeah, Isaid it.
But the thing is to me, I'm bigon just standing on what you
say, At the same time, like Ijust think that's what makes you
stronger, that's what makes youkind of just tougher in the in
the end.
So like, like you know, I'veheard, I've heard the worst of
worst.
I remember one year I was typingup something.

(12:19):
Somebody told me, stick togirls basketball.
And I looked at him.
I said, bro, before girlsbasketball I was, I've
interviewed almost every top guyin this city and so I said,
before I started doing girlsbasketball.
So like, in the end, like Ijust think it, that's what comes
with it.
So, so I just feel like ifyou're not mentally prepared for

(12:39):
that, you're in the wrongbusiness.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
And the thing is, people gonna respect you more of
you if you just back up, saywhat you say and you stand on
what you say.
I give a quick story At TSU,this one I was covering the
football and basketball team,heavy, especially football.
I'm not gonna be biased to one,I'm gonna say how I feel this
is for their station.

(13:01):
This is everything.
This one me and Rob was at KCOAshot to Rob and we're TomBud.
We're previewing with TSUfootball team.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Hold on.
Was that part of this too?

Speaker 1 (13:13):
No, he wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
It wasn't on the point, it was at the radio
station.
I don't think I ever told youthis story.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
No, I think I heard about it, though you said
something like then peoplestarted calling you yes.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
So this will happen.
Like alumni, they're like whatdid get them out?
So this will happen.
I previewed, we was previewingthe season.
That's when they got the newcoach, degryff was on the team.
Shot to DeGryff and I had somelike, okay, why is DeGryff left?
I'm voucherful because histalent was above everybody and
it's like to me.

(13:42):
So I'm voucherful and I'mpredicting the season.
I'm saying, look, I'm gonnagive y'all three games.
I'm gonna give it to y'all,y'all.
And I was saying they, worsethan Mississippi Valley, at
least Mississippi Valley tradeplay harder.
Give me that over somebody thatdon't care, I'm just going off
at the mouth.
Next day, oh my God, the sportsdirector, the alums, the

(14:08):
football players, was saying,okay, we're gonna.
You know they was.
I seen some subtools from someplayers.
I was like, okay, but guess howmany wins they had that year?
Two, two.
I gave them a game.
But the reason why and to thisday I'm still cool with a lot of
them the reason being wasbecause what I was saying wasn't

(14:29):
to disrespect them or sayingthings bad.
I'm going off what I'm seeingweek in and week out.
So at the end of the day, if Iwas a person to say those things
and not show my face and I goto the games or not and be on
different energy, then that'swhen the respect is lost.
But if you stand on what you'retalking about and you say how
you feel, but you not in adisrespectful manner, that's

(14:51):
cool.
We see it all the time.
Look, it's perfect.
We see it all the time insports, steven and Smith.
We see that all the time.
He can go places and they'renot gonna.
They're not gonna beat them upor jump them.
He gonna stand on what he's.
It's respect.
So I think anything of aplatform that's like I'm not
gonna go off and nobody this ifthey disagree with anything we
say For what that's not justlost the potential subscriber

(15:16):
member, I'm not gonna do that.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, no, that's funny that you say that because,
like I've told people all thetime I'm gonna be the.
If I'm wrong, I'm the first oneto admit it, like amen, I was
wrong.
Like there are so many gamesthat I've went to and I
predicted wrong.
But the thing about it ispeople know what I'm coming, I
let them know, like hey, this iswhat I think.
I say you guys are my guys nodisrespect, but this is what I

(15:38):
think.
And but the thing is, a lot ofcoaches actually around this
city, especially Houstonbasketball, they respect me for
that because, like easy, a lotof people are just gonna hide.
I said I'm not, I'm not.
I said it's no duck season forme.
I said that's my.
I said I want all the smoke.
You know I love that.
You know me, I love it.
So you know how I am.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, and this thing you know, that's the important
key in all of this.
You know, because if you don'topen up the can of words, I
can't say a fucking quote.
I was gonna say I was gonna saya quote, but I'm not saying
that I'm not, I'm gonna mess itup, but all I'm gonna say is
you're gonna start a platform.
This, for anybody that'slistening, this is my two cents.

(16:18):
If you're going to start aplatform and you have
aspirations of trying to make itbig with your platform and you
take some type of slightdisagreement or criticism, take
it and just move on.
There's no point to get mad atanybody or somebody disagree
with you and go down yourcomments and your DMs and people

(16:38):
disagree with you.
You're going off on everybody.
No, stand what you say, standon what you say, respect their
comments and move on, becauseyou don't want to just lose an
audience.
You can read it and move on.
Read it and move on.
That's to me.
When I saw that, when I saw herpost, I said man, this is crazy
, this is crazy.
I mean, I'm not surprised ofwho she's, because of who it was

(17:02):
, but it's just like man likethis, the person say they like
your show.
Yeah, they say like y'all do agood job of y'all.
I don't agree with this and boyshut up.
I don't know, I don't know.
Moving on, I think it's time foryou to probably give us some

(17:22):
type of credit.
Just a little bit, Because Iknow I'm not the biggest Ohio
State person.
Told you how I feel about OhioState Corp, but you do gotta
admit CJ and the Texans, theylooking, they looking pretty
damn good, they looking prettygood.
Was that three and three, Threeand three, nine to buy?
They got Carolina in Tampa,they got Carolina in Tampa next,

(17:45):
so six games.
How you feel about Texas and CJShroud?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
D'Amico Rhines is doing a great job.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
D'Amico Rhines doing a great, great, great damn job.
Shit, he's looking very, verygood.
But who was you great?
Who was you great on?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
D'Amico Rhines doing a great job.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
That's it.
That's it.
So, cj, get no.
Come on, I'm not the biggestOhio State person, but you got
to get some type of creditthough Beat up O-line, not a
true no more.
Receiver Pierce has to belooking the best so far.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
The same coach got to prepare them, d'amico Rhines
doing a great job.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
CJ gets no credit.
We're getting here right now.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
D'Amico Rhines is doing a hell of a job.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
So what's going to take for you to like give, like
CJ and boys, some credit?
Tank Dale.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Like I just said, man wonderful job by D'Amico Rhines
.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Tank Dale, don't get nothing.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
D'Amico Rhines is doing a great job.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Jalen Petrie on defense.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
D'Amico Rhines is doing a wonderful job.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
So what's it going to take for you to get a CJ credit
?

Speaker 2 (18:58):
You got to listen, bro.
Like just win big games, keepwinning big games.
Just win big games, Win the bigone.
I'm not here for the red season.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
It's great.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Three to three after six games.
Okay, there's still season tobe played, but I'm going to give
credit to D'Amico.
Rhines is doing a wonderful job.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
So who's your great D'Amico Rhines job?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
No, he's doing a B plus.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
B plus.
That's the only great you'regoing to give up.
That's it.
So basically, you want to see aSuper Bowl, is what you're
saying.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
No, no, no, no, I'm not saying Super Bowls, but like
win the big games, bro, that'sit.
You know how Houston is.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I mean, I get it, I get it.
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Speaker 2 (21:02):
you got it first, man .

Speaker 1 (21:03):
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Speaker 2 (21:54):
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Speaker 2 (22:56):
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(23:24):
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I really wanna stay on Houstonfor a little bit because the
WNBA expanded their lead toGolden State.
I didn't really see that coming, honestly, but it's a good look
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(23:47):
The Houston comments to me isstill the best run I've seen in
WNBA.
I don't watch it as much as Iused to like back in the day
when I was a kid, but I'mwaiting for somebody else to win
.
Four in a row, three in a row.
Has that happened yet?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
No, it hasn't happened, but I can't lie.
We might be looking at anotherdynasty out there in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I know the A's.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Asia Wilson, bro, even though I mean A listed.
I love B stew but there's noway Asia Wilson finished third
in league MVP voting.
She's probably the best women'sbasketball player right now.
Asia Wilson so like.
But like the comments,obviously there were a staple
Legends, a staple for the WNBA.
I'm an advocate for it becausethe thing about it is,

(24:35):
especially with Houstonbasketball, the way like it's
kind of growing with girls.
Right now I think it's good tosee the representatives, like in
Houston high school basketball,watch a professional team
seeing how it was really done,instead of having to go to
Dallas when you should have onedown the street with a lot of
these girls coming from the cityof Houston like top ranked

(24:58):
girls that they could put inthat work.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
I want to know what's going to take for the comments
to come back.
Conflict is going to come backat some point, cause last time I
remember towards the end beforethey ended off the comments,
ticket sales was kind of low.
It started to deteriorate afterthat.
Right, I do remember that.
I think it will come backbecause I remember the New York

(25:22):
Liberty left and came back.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
When did the Liberty leave?

Speaker 1 (25:25):
They left at one point.
I never think the Liberty left.
I don't think they left at onepoint.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
No, I don't think the Liberty never left.
I think, like them and theSparks are still the two teams
that's still here.
I think the New York Liberty, Idon't think they never left,
cause.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
I don't think they left that.
Do you remember that?
I think they came back.
I think I remember their firstopening game a couple of years
ago was against the Sparks.
They left at one point.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
I don't think the New York Liberty never left.
I think they're like, like Ijust said, I think those them
and the Sparks are the twoinaugural team and maybe the
Minnesota Leafs.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Tom, I remember the Liberty came in at the same time
with the Sparks.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, them and the Comments, they're
all like the inaugural teams inthe WNBA.
But I don't think the Libertyleft at one point.
I don't think the New Yorkcause.
You know that's it and you knowI just don't see them leaving
because that's a big market LikeI don't think they do.
Your Liberty never left.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
So the Comments is the only one that left.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
No, it's like.
Sacramento Marnoch is not there, miami Soul is not there, the
Cleveland Rockers is not there.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Cleveland Rockers I remember that.
Miami Soul when was that?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:23):
no, no, they were they were.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
That was in the beginning.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, that's when Lisa Leslie I think that was
when she got that first dunkagainst the Miami Soul.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Really Mm-hmm.
I thought, let me see New YorkLiberty.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I don't think that.
Yeah, I don't think they've.
I think they've always beenthere.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Let me see.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
There was one of the elite franchises Damn okay,
never lived.
Yeah, they never left.
They've never left.
Oh, shut the.
Okay, wait Okay.
Transition seasons okay 2003,2009, okay, nevermind.

(27:07):
Okay, they are who the?
Why don't they love?

Speaker 2 (27:13):
they never left.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Damn.
Okay, oops, my bad, but butyour comments need to come back.
I thought they left for somereason, but, um, I Think, if
they do come back, I think itwould bring a lot of energy for
especially for me, to go backand watch WBA.
I turn it on here and there, um, I think for the women's side,

(27:40):
for college basketball.
I think I got turned on to themafter that championship.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
It's gonna be a good season this year, I think, the
stars of stars for the collegebasketball girl season, like
with Angel Reese Haley Van Leaftransferring from Louisville to
LSU and then all of a sudden,like I just Katelyn Clark is
still there from Iowa.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, so not a football story.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
But, but, but.
The return of my girl, paigeBeckers, for you called.
I Think this is gonna be one ofthe best girl.
I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, I think.
I think it's gonna beinteresting, but I know I'm in.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
South Carolina, so you still can't forget about
them.
They're gonna be good too.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
So, besides Houston, who else, what other city you
want to see?
Get a team you have to namelike two more.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I'm gonna throw in New Orleans, I Don't know about
New Orleans, but like I wouldsay, I would say Miami probably
needs a team to Miami and thenlike, honestly, I Wouldn't I
think the other team that theycan probably benefit From them
coming back, I really think theDetroit shock, I think, I think,

(28:48):
I think, they love them.
Yeah, they, you, but I thinkthey had switched to Tulsa shock
.
So yeah, so like they let.
But I think I think theythey've earned that lineage and
that team back.
Yeah, yeah, because they werefun to watch under Bill Lambert
and stuff like that, so yeahyeah, I'm a road, yeah, I'm a
road.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Houston, miami, new Orleans, I'm a row in the ones.
God like the energy, especiallyafter I think they ill issue.
I mean it's even though it's inbad rules, but the same time I
still think it burned that thatenergy.
And more eyes to Now, cuz I wastalking to somebody a while
back she comes, she's with, shecovers Dallas and we just
talking about cities and allthis is like back in May and we

(29:28):
just talking about differentcities.
Who should get it real light.
Houston, in New OrleansEspecially.
I want to see Houston because Imean that's a, that's a state
point.
Don't be a dad Now.
You can't even write the bookof them.
Yeah, that's the first page.
Yeah, shit, that's.
I mean swoops, I can man.
I dare somebody name you a bitbetter.
Well, I ain't gonna go that farcuz I watch them in bed like

(29:49):
that, no more.
But my favorite all time isCynthia Cooper.
That's how I mean.
I don't watch it no more likethis.
So I can't name all the newpeople like yeah, I remember at
that time to Coop Lisa, leslie,teresa with the spoon.
They was the Jerry West of BillRussell, the Woodchimp they was
that.
You know what I mean?
They was a pioneers.

(30:09):
I mean he moving to the CandaceParker era down in Toronto, I
see.
And then now we in, like Iguess we in the Breonna Stewart
and Asia Wilson era, you know.
So yeah, I mean I I'm not forme personally.
I like where the WBA is going,yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
These girls are getting way better too.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
They go need them because that's our power is
coming in.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yes, all parts coming , then I think they need more.
I think it do me need more,think I know there was a Some
situations where good playersare getting cut because they had
no words to play, they have noroster spots, so I think that's
that that's a factor.
I think they need to add somemore teams and I think it's
gonna get better.
But yeah, I can't wait, I'mexcited, yeah, but I want to go

(30:55):
back to castle ball for a littlebit.
Kind of, we're talking aboutMichael Pinnick's and I knew
last time we recorded with someof my packs for a quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, damn fucking Kayla Williams, bro, god damn it
.
I mean, that's just been theknock, bro.
Like him able to win these biggames, bro, like that was his
opportunity that like for real,for real, just more.
Like you just got to win biggames, bro.
Like, yeah, he threw threepicks.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Now here's the thing.
I was thinking about this afterthat while watching that game.
I Know he's a number one pick.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I know he's gonna be the top guy coming out.
Yeah, if he wants to come out,yeah.
But there's a couple things Itook away from that.
Yeah One I won't be surprisedif he stays another year,
because he might need mightmaybe need another year.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
It's not even that like it depends what team gets
in the more pig.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, because he's making a lot of money in IEL so
he could be.
I look Arizona gonna one.
I ain't going over there.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
I don't see Arizona's even going number one you know
the path you know the path isover six.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah well, we don't ain't gonna take them though.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Why not?
Well, that's the story foranother day.
But to say why was I say whynot?
I love Bryce Young, you knowthat's my guy.
But like to me, like I've seenit too many times, like we
didn't think that the the coachwas taking luck when paid
manning was there, josh Rosengot shipped out of there when
Calamari came, like they.
They know what's up.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, but one thing I took away from Kayla Williams
was when the playing field getseven and there's fast defense in
the NFL, you don't have all ofthe top guys on your team, what
happens then?
I was just thinking that when Iwatched the Notre Dame, I'm
like man, like I know he's good,but Does he have?

(32:47):
Because I don't want him tofall into that part where he's
like it's for ready, he's just afree starter with the ball.
I mean, you know he got thetalent, but there's other things
, um, can we talk about the biggame?
World was gonna be 17 games ofthat, you know.
So I mean I, I know he's good,I know he's, I know he's gonna
be the top pick.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
But when I look at Michael Pinnick's, though, yeah,
His ability to throw the balllike he's like he's putting it
through windows like I.
I get he's in here a lot, buthe looks like to out there.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
To his, his everything about him, to me, his
mannerisms and everythingreminds me of watching, like
when I just watch him play, likeI know watch was a Houdini,
yeah.
But when I watch him play, justhis, I mean the smallest
details the wristband, the bornarrow celebration, yeah, and one
behind his back.
Yeah you know, just just athrowing motion.
I'm looking at those thingswith him.

(33:43):
It's like, yeah, this dude isFearless, like and that's all I
was saying with the mother packs.
Well, like man, I reallybelieve what the way college
football is right now.
There's not a just powerfulpound.
I mean you can say Michigan,but they about to have a test
this coming week with um PennState.

(34:03):
So let's see, because, man, theway Washington look, I might
put my money on them beat.
I could put my money onWashington against any of the
college team right now and I'mconfident with that.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I'm not.
I'm not too confident because Ijust think the right now, like
I said, I think the the Pac-12is looking like the old Big 12
man, the old big, the old big 12.
I just think it's a scoringleague.
So I just got to see themagainst when it comes
physicality, and against likeNFL.
That I'm not saying they're notNFL defenders, but like I

(34:36):
really just got to see it likecan he win those games and stuff
like that.
But you know, on the West Coastit's a different type of
offense, baby.
You know I'm sorry about likeyou in the pack 12.
You almost need like 35 to win,but you obviously we saw Caleb
Williams against Notre Dame Nota Pac-12 team and play the worst
game of his career, yeah, so sothat's what you say.

(34:56):
Like I wouldn't exactly put mymoney on that because just more
like you know that big that,that Pac-12 competition, like
you better score 35 points oryou're not winning no games.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, I mean and that and and that could be true.
I just think that now, with theway, the way the landscape is
right now, you do got the bigtwin with some bigger players,
you know like an SEC of course,but man hell, the way the SEC
been looking is like, yeah, butthink about it is.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
You know those are dog fights.
You know there's a dog fight.
So I'm just like we've seen,all like like you.
You saw Colorado on Stanford 43to 46, you feel me so just more
like 36 to 33 with Oregon, likethese Pac-12 games are high.
But I got.
You said Caleb Williams went upagainst Notre Dame and through

(35:50):
three picks.
Yeah, that was, that was, thatwas bad and that's almost the
best quarterback in the countryand the best the quarter, the
best the country has to offer.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah, that was a soccer performance.
I ain't that blowout exactly.
I didn't.
I didn't see that come exactly.
I mean, if you had to name yourfour teams right now in the
playoffs, who would it be?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Man number one is still Georgia.
Number two, obviously, isMichigan.
Number three, man, I hate OhioState.
I gotta put Ohio State in thereright now.
Number three, and then atnumber four.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
You got a Ohio State over Florida State.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I got Ohio State.
I got Ohio State and then Isaid at number four man, I said
I'm not gonna sit here.
A lot like Oklahoma had astatement win, but I don't know
if they're the fourth best team,though I, yeah, I don't think
they're the fourth best team.

(36:51):
I don't think they're thefourth best team because, like,
I really believe some of theseone-loss teams are actually
better, but, like, but you gotto kind of give the edge to the,
to the team that's undefeated,because I said, I know I don't
necessarily think some of theseone-loss teams, like, can be
better than some of these teamsthat are standing undefeated

(37:11):
right now.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Number four gonna be Michigan, georgia, florida State
man, give me Washington, giveme Washington.
I'm gonna give those my four,I'm gonna roll with it.
No order, I think I'm well.

(37:34):
If I, if I did say, or makingthis interesting, I'm gonna say
one is gonna be Michigan, two,georgia, three oh man, I'm roll
with it.
Three.
Washington, four, florida State, that'll be my my four, right
there.
I think if UT never would havelost, I probably would have put.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
UT in there.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, they're in there they're in there, but I
because Florida State.
I was looking forward to that,mind me, and Florida State game
coming up in November, but Goddamn that stupid ass play man.
That call was so dumb.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Was that crystal ball ?

Speaker 1 (38:11):
I still haven't recovered from that.
I still haven't recovered fromthat.
Well, yeah, that's all good,because it led to them getting
beat down by North Carolina andthen I was looking forward to it
Like that, like that play.
That's the worst call I've everseen in my life, because it was
obvious Dang Taking me and getout the game.

(38:33):
It was the worst in the SuperBowl.
Oh, that's worse.
That's worse than Russell,because it was obvious Damn,
take two knees and your, yourgame is over.
Take a knee and you're about tolose.
I mean, you're about to win,russell, you can at least
somehow vouch for that, becauseit was situational when your
line tried to full it's.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I don't need to vouch for that bro.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
You can't vouch for it, but the only difference is
that the mind me one was obvious.
It was 39 seconds left.
Once you take the knee, thegame is over.
Yeah, you know, that's.
That just makes that work.
If that was on a bigger stage,bigger level, oh yeah, we would
have been.
That'd have been.
Imagine DI Sanders doing thatshit.
Oh, he's getting criticized.
It's over with, like no.

(39:13):
So, oh my God, yeah, that wasso.
I can't look forward to that.
For the state Miami game, nomore.
But before the state going winthe conference, they go on, they
go on potting getting theplayoffs.
They look good.
George Travis is a good player,yeah, but yeah, it's.
Um, this is a good, this can bea good game.
It's going to be a good year,though, because, like we said,

(39:34):
like I said last time, theplayoffs this year is going to
be very interesting because it'snever been to a point where,
like, it's an even playing field.
But that has to do with NILtransfer reporter.
That's playing, that's playinga part, because, sure and I know
you've been wanting to hop onthis topic, will and Jada yeah,
I'll let you, I'll let you outthe floor, man.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Man, it's.
It's just crazy what I'm seeingwith with, you know, with a,
with a couple that is damn nearas powerful as any couple couple
in America.
You know, it just looks likethe demise.
Like Will Smith been taking bighits since this Chris Rock slap
, so it was just more like Ijust feel like everything is
coming out.
Um, you know, I think you know,but to me it's just more like

(40:20):
it's unnecessary, like I don'tthink Jada really has to just
sit here and go this route.
You know, telling Will Smith.
You know what I'm saying.
I've been separated since 2016.
Like, but what do you gain fromthat?
Like Will Smith, you know he'salready banned from the Oscars
for like 10 years, so it wasjust more like you know, his
image is really really kind ofjust, I don't think he's really

(40:42):
taking a hit, but like it justadds more to the fuel, since,
since the slap hurt aroundAmerica.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, Now I'm looking back at the slap.
It was pointless now becausethey went in together, according
to her man.
Look, man, I ain't allowed to,I haven't.
I don't really do a lot of uh,I don't know talking on about
celebrity couples in gossip, butthis, I mean, this is this is
exactly Will man, will, myfavorite actor, man, it's.

(41:09):
It's this.
That's why I really don't liketo.
You know, talk about.
We don't know what's going onwith these people.
Lives, yeah, it'll be, it'll belooking so great on camera and
all these things.
But, man, that stuff be.
You don't know what's happeningbehind closed doors.
They can take all the pictures,take all the red carpet shoots
and all that and that's whatthey did.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Man, they, they, they , they pump, fake their body.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, they act this you know what I'm saying Like
they can fake anything, you knowthey can make everything look
so great, you know, but man,it's.
It's just a pain for a human to.
Oh my God, I know y'all stillget on me about it, but when I
got cheated on at 18, like thatshit was painful and that's not

(41:51):
on a level of this.
This is world humiliation,everybody.
And what happened to keepingyour business, your business?
That's my biggest takeaway.
Why did, why is this?
It's beautiful for everybodyfor us to know we don't care.
We don't care, like whathappened to keeping the business

(42:12):
, the business, like keepingprivate.
Why is this a thing for usnon-fivers to know Y'all making?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
millions Exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Why y'all telling us, hell we trying to figure out,
can we go buy groceries nextweek?
Ain't y'all giving us problems?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
that million dollar problems, million dollar
problems.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Come on, man, that's really what we had right now.
Y'all giving us million dollars, problems that we don't care
about, we shouldn't even care.
Y'all telling us are y'allbusiness?
No, man, man, that's it.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
What's your granny used to say Champagne, mind,
champagne, mind champagne mindwith a Coca-Cola pocketbook.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
That's what my granny used to say.
You got a Coca-Cola pocketbookwith a champagne, mind you know,
and they having champagneproblems, like that's why, when
I go back to that red table,talk with Will on the man, that
shit was so fucking ridiculousto me.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
The word entanglement was.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Man, it wouldn't even the fact.
Ain't that red table talkproduced in their house?
I don't know if it's producedin their house, but Because I
think when I talk behind thescenes it was like in some.
I guess one of their I don'tman?

Speaker 2 (43:33):
I think you said obviously when he did that they
were probably separated.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Why didn't you like y'all husbands and wives talking
out between y'all two Like that?
You know how crazy it is forher to invite the you to your
her own platform.
That you probably that thehusband's probably funding, help
funding she.
He's making more money than her.
You know he's the.
He's the A-lister.

(43:58):
Yeah, man, let's just keep itabove.
Let's just keep it above.
Somebody named me three of thebiggest movies Jada Pinkett did.
Her biggest roles oh my God.
Oscar nominated performance.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Well, I love that.
It all feels good.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
And what else?
And that's and they.
That was a that's for the hood,that's for the blacks.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Oh yeah, because I said I know where she was in
Girls Trip.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
I forgot she was in that shit.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
The other one is a hood movie too.
Jason's Lyrit.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
She's on.
She's on BET Plus movies.
You know, I'm just like man.
She's only relevant because ofWill Smith.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
We were only oh yeah, but she was in a different
world too.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Yeah, she had, she had an episode, you know she,
her and Poc.
But what, come on, man, mything is it's like she's only
relevant because of him.
He's the man.
You know, like my thing is justlike man, like this it's a
champagne, they have a champagneproblem.
They have a champagne problems.
Like I might not be gonna namethis episode, probably either

(45:04):
champagne problems or milliondollar problems, because that's
what it is Like.
They're having them differentand they're telling us people
that's trying to struggle tomake a living and inflation is
high.
You got Palestine and Israel.
We got America might get bombedat some point.
We got real problems and realsituations happening and nope,

(45:24):
we're stuck here talking aboutthe goddamn celebrity couple of
we shouldn't give a damn about.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Champagne poppy.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
No man.
And speaking of champagne, I dowant to touch on Drake album
because we ain't talking aboutit.
Well, he had an album out lasttime we had the episode you
heard the full thing Yo, realdude, a kill.
First thing I want to do isgive a huge thank you, a huge
shout out to our partners.
We partnered up with clutch rum, so they're a local distillery

(46:00):
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I'm not going to lead y'all thewrong way, but I'm a touch on
this run.
So for me, I really wasn't arum guy until I had this,

(46:20):
honestly.
So when I had it a couple weeksago, I said, ok, this is very
good, and the drink that I hadwas 24 K spice rum.
So basically, is after theBruno Mars song, obviously right
, but that is a good taste andI'm not really a spy drink, but
when I had it with this type ofrum, it was actually very good.
This run with natural flavorsand it's actually handcrafted in

(46:44):
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Again, huge shout out to ourpartners with clutch.
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Support your black ownedbusinesses.
Reveal the queue out.
You know what I call it, right?
No, what's your calling?

(47:05):
What's the name of the album?
Are you calling for all thepuppies?
Yeah, I mean, it's funnybecause I was saying the same
thing to people under that Drakefans.
Look man, I'm going to say thisand I'm not the biggest Drake
fan like I once was, but is it aclassic?

(47:26):
No, is it great?
No, is it garbage?
No, I would at least just saythat Listen to the album
multiple times and give it andgo through a third, it's like OK
, there's not a well puttogether album from top to
bottom.
I mean, it's not anything likethat, it's an average album.
You know, because when I saythis, this is out of 23 songs,

(47:50):
when you first hear the firsttwo, three times, you might have
12 you like.
Out of those 12, you might likeYou're only going to pull four
or five.
That's repeatable, that'sactually repeatable.
And you break it down likethat's only four out of 23.
We could go to.
I'm not going to compare to anyrappers, but listen to the album
I feel like, yeah, man, I thinkhe just got a step away for

(48:10):
some years because I coulddefinitely tell that the love
for rap is before music isleaving.
I could just listen to himThings he's talking about being
petty for no reason.
What's the woman named Sparta Iforgot you taking shots at her?
Like that's what.
Like that's literally where weare right now taking shots at

(48:31):
other people on this album andit's just petty, is just like,
oh my God, it's like a pettyparty.
At this point, this Drake, atthe point you could just tell
the love for it.
He's doing it.
You could tell us for them it's.
He knows it'll be relevant.
You know people going to betalking about them.
Yeah, it's the money now.
Yeah, it's a business move.
It's not for the love of.

(48:51):
When you hear a J Cole album,when you hear Kendrick albums
hell, you can hear big crit.
The love for music is there?
New challenges if you pushyourself to.
What can I do to get better?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
You have a big, you have a great point.
I don't know if you really readup on, like his response to Joe
Button, you could tell thathe's being relevant, like being
relevant for the money.
That's what he kind of justtalks about, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
It's always a.
You got something in the 767.
It's just like you.
Something inside of you youkind of hurt for something
because there's no need for youto take a shot.
There's no need.
You're Drake.
You should be on the level.
You should be a top threeselling performing artists right

(49:40):
now.
But you're not the.
They want us to think he's inthe top three with Bad Bunny,
taylor, beyoncé, taylor Swift,the Weeknd.
It's not over those guys, thosepeople.
You got it.
So and when I tell peoplethat's Jake, fans like look,
this dude to me is not top two.
I got him behind Cole andKendrick.

(50:02):
Yeah, that's not a knock.
I'm putting this man over a lotof great rappers.
So, with Drake and peoplewanting to just hear it and be
like, oh, they just think thatthey hear the songs over and
over, I know people can betalking about this damn song
with sexy, red and scissors.
That's hot garbage.
Man, it's not a good song.
The song with Yeet yeah, throwthat out the way.

(50:25):
Like his only best song is JCole.
And guess what?
J Cole made the song Likethat's, and that's why I'm like,
man, you really can't reallytell Drake fans nothing.
They gonna believe everythinghe puts out, it's just good,
it's for all the dogs, because Ialready know.
I know when he announced it Ididn't get hype.
Everybody thought that it wasgonna be one of those albums

(50:48):
where he's put like this If thisalbum sound, if he had the
energy of first person shooterthroughout the album not saying
it has to sound like it, butjust that energy because J Cole
pushed him, j Cole, and he knewhe needed J Cole.
And so, because he didn'trelease the album until J Cole
brought back his lyrics, hisverse, he sent back his verse.

(51:09):
That's why it came out thattime.
I think 6-Eleven or somethinglike that.
Yeah, he, like J Cole, pushedhim to the limit, to the brink.
And that's the thing with Drake.
When he get these features likeLil Yachty and Sexy Red, they
not gonna push Drake.
I mean they're not.
I wanna see him on songs withthe Grisselta, the Grue, with

(51:31):
Conway the Machine, benny theButcher, west Side Gun.
I wanna see him with FreddieGibbs Give me some of those guys
, but we're not gonna get that.
So I could be going on and onfor about six minutes about
where we should get from Drakemoving on, but we're not gonna
get that.
I mean, it's just.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
He got his money.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
He got his money.
I think that he's relevant.
He's not hot.
I think his peak was from takecare to like at his top time you
couldn't say no bad thingsabout Drake around.
From take care to, possibly ifArrhenius is too late, maybe.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
No, what's that other album?
When he was like the old man infront, would do not disturb on
that album.
Do not take care, I wouldn'ttake care of whatever album.
Yeah, the old man in the front,yeah, like he looked like I
don't.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, yeah, Not nothing was the same right.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
No, I don't think it might have been.
I know it was blue.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Oh, nothing was the same.
Yeah, oh, when he had thepartner's head.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
No, not that album.
Oh, More Life.
Yeah, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, more Life was cool.
It was cool, but I think thatwas just a little bit after the.
I think I was at the time.
I was like, okay, drake, whatare you doing?
Y'all, y'all.
But like when you reallycouldn't say nothing about Drake
, it was like hear the hotnessit was from that.
Take care all the way throughthat if you're cause.
That was a time where, like man,just even though I was
pro-Kendrick, pro-cole, you waslike, okay, you can hear them

(53:11):
songs like he's trying.
And he was singing.
We had no problem.
We don't have a problem withhim singing.
He was singing back since sofar gone.
The issue is that there's notanything that he's pushing
himself to.
We can tell when you listen tohim.
You can tell when you listen toanybody.
It's like man, like they puttheir soul in this album.

(53:32):
They just did that.
I can't say the last time.
I just heard that with Drake.
Like man, he was in his bag onthis album Cause this album here
was hot garbage.
I mean it's not.
I don't wanna say hot garbage,I don't wanna say it's garbage,

(53:52):
I wanna just say it was a belowaverage album.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
It wasn't to Drake standards.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Nah, it ain't to face of hip hop number one guy.
You can't tell me this numberone guy in rap, let's say a dude
, you knew that just got out ofprison or something.
And like man, it's a dude namedDrake dawg.
Real call, he.
Ain't he been out of jail?
He been in the bottom six feetfor like 40 years.
I don't know what's going on.
The last time he heard rap waswhen Kool Moe Dean and him shit

(54:18):
was rapping.
And you be like man.
It's a dude named Drake.
Man, just do go hard.
He's a dr who ever called forall the dogs, okay, okay, you
give him that album.
He went this is the number oneguy in rap.
That's not no, that's not agreat.
You can't do that Like.
We're not the level we can justput people on with Drake man,
this dude here, cold man, he iship hop.

(54:40):
Now, it's a reason why when youhear past interviews with rock
hymns, the M&M's, dmx's, theydon't really like Drake like
that.
They tolerate them cause theyprobably have grandkids and
cousins and nephews that likethem, but it's not really
somebody's.
No, they bring up cold, theybring up Kendrick, they bring up

(55:00):
Pusha T's, adjada Kisses, cause, I'm telling you, when Drake.
When it's all said and done,we're gonna get to a point where
we're gonna be like, all right,we're Drake at all times.
Where's the act compared to allthe other great rappers?
It won't.
I won't be shocked if a lot ofpeople leave him out the top 10.
It's gonna sound good to putthem in the top because it's

(55:20):
Drake the name.
But if you say rappers poundfor pound lyricists, can you
really put them over?
Jadakiss, dmx, nas, you know,can you really?
Don't look at the hits together.
That's not gonna go to the hits.
No rapping spitting the 16,like going bar for bar.

(55:43):
Tell some dudes that he was.
They ain't gonna put them overthe scar face.
They ain't they not gonna dothat.
You not put them over the topfive?
Wayne, biggie Pop, jay-z,eminem, kendrick you know you're
not, so where does he?

Speaker 2 (55:58):
fall.
He's in the top 10, though.
He's earned that right.
He's earned that right.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
He's earned it.
I mean me personally.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
He's earned it.
He's earned a top 10 man Likehe's.
He's earned it like I'm notgonna sit there and go that far,
he's earned it.
He's earned it like don't getme wrong like you're, but like
you know, you don't do it aslong as him and still doing it
at a high level, even thoughhe's not really like, it's
almost like Him and like knowhow brawn is not his best, but

(56:31):
he's still good.
Yeah, that's Drake.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
I'm a prayer more than John Cena.
I Don't see the bra I like I'ma LeBron dude, so I'm not.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
No, no no, no, no, but it is more like you're
LeBron dude, but like, obviously, like you just said, like
there's a lot of guys that arenot LeBron guys, but it's gonna
respect him.
And I think Drake is in thatsame Same mold, like I think
like LeBron all around, likehe's brood, force and speed.

(57:03):
But I think, you know, guyslike Kobe and Jordan are more
skill and I think that's how JCole and Kendrick are.
Like you know, drake isnational with brute force, but
you go, skill, it's, it's, it'sreally it's, it's really cold,
it's really cold.
And Kendrick, like there's onlyperson that I think that really

(57:26):
cross like with skill and inlike Nacionality, like that it's
probably Floyd, because he'she's 100% skill, but then he got
the hits, yeah.
Yeah, I mean honestly you gottacompare, like that, floyd and
Drake, because you know youalways said man, you don't,

(57:46):
there's not really a memorableFloyd fight or listen.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Like you know, I'm saying like he just go back and
do your research and just lookhim up.
Yeah, cuz that's what I had todo when he fought a Ricky Haddon
.
Yeah, but in a moment it's notlike yeah, anything.
And I gotta say a Drake gotsome.
Drake got some songs.
I like there's some songs I getin the car.
I'm like man I this song, ohyeah.
But it's the only album I saytop to bottom, begin to end.

(58:11):
I was well put together.
There was nothing was the sameto me, mm-hmm.
Well put together.
People love, take care.
I guess what take care MVP onthat album was the weekend.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
The blow.
He put the weekend on.
But no hold on, take care, thatwas the, the black and gold
album, right, yeah, I likeunderground King, so I'm under
crowning.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Yeah, that's my house on that album.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Yeah, yeah, that's my song.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
I don't know me.
If you go down a little mean,do you take them over?

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Eminem, I Got to give him a new no, like I just said,
you can take Eminem as alyricist.
But I just think with the wholepackage and stuff like that,
you gotta put that in effect.
You really just do look likelike that's.
It is just more like the reasonwhy you almost kind of take
brawn over Jordan, because thelongevity.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
I don't, I, yeah, I don't.
I don't think people are strong, I don't get older, dying a lot
too much.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
I'm a brawn fan.
I probably never admitted this.
I can't knock Jordan.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
No dog no no, no, I think it's about it.
I don't think we nobody's nevergonna knock him.
It never gonna knock Jordan,exactly.
I don't think just becauseyou're a brawn fan, you don't,
that's a disdain for Jordan,like you.
Like you know, great greatnessis measured.
You know what I'm saying.
Like, at the end of the day,like, look brawn.
Like to me personally, I likeKobe over LeBron, but I still

(59:26):
respect LeBron.
But like, if it like, it iswhat it is, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I mean I did.
I think when it comes, whenDrake said it, when it's I, when
it's all sitting down, I thinkit's gonna be.
And I got said for me there'scertain guys he just can't get
over.
For me, like I told you, my topfive of all time is is no order
Pock big Jay-Z Wayne Kendrick.
Like Kendrick got in my fight,he's my favorite rapper.

(59:52):
Yeah, he got it to my five andrap is one.
Rap is the one jump topic thatwhen you do top five, Nobody's
like the same five in it andthat is gonna, because it's it's
regional to it's gonna beregional bias.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
But I think in sports I don't think nobody's gonna
have the same top five either,but I think that you're there's
always gonna be one common name,like if you're a top five, you
probably, you always probablygonna hear the name Jordan
LeBron.
If you're in footballQuarterback, you're always gonna
hear the name Brady.
You know, but I think likeyou're gonna have at least one
common guy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Yeah, I only say, I only say it in rap, it's, it's,
it's a regional bias too,because when you think about so,
when you talk to a lot ofHouston guys, for example,
somebody's a lot of people gonnahave scar face in a top five,
like especially the older, olderpeople.
No, no you.
GK, you GK when you go to theEast Coast.
Ghostface killer.
In the south we didn't jamghostface killer, spectrum, we

(01:00:52):
don't grow skinny so you can rap, but you're gonna have a lot of
guys from the East Coast, likeman, one of my favorite rappers
of all time.
My top five is ghostface killer.
You know you trust mighty inHouston.
I'm like damn, we jam scarface.
Yeah, that was our ghost.
You know that's our, that's ourdude.
You go to the West Coast, theymight have some guys underground
.
We don't know.
You know it's whatever.
You're gonna have cube in yourtop five.
You're gonna have, you know,guys like that.

(01:01:13):
So it's, it's, uh, it's it'sregional bias too, in in Lansing
, I mean, of course, the fivefor us is gonna be Different.
We're gonna have way in therebecause shit, we, my goodness,
that was our era, that was theerror, you know.
Um Kendrick for me, I thinkhe's the guy in this era right
now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
And then big Jay-Z, oh lord, I mean that guy just
said like honestly, personallyfor me growing up, yeah, he was
my favorite rapper.
So yeah, kanye was always myfavorite.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Oh yeah, I'm taking, I got, I got to take Kanye over
Drake.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Yeah, Kanye was my guy.
Like that's my guy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Kanye has to go.
That's another guy.
That's over Drake.
That's something.
If I, if I really dissect the10 and think about the fifth of
five I left out.
I didn't have Eminem, I didn'thave Kanye, I didn't put jay
cole in there, dmx, I mean it's.

(01:02:10):
It gets to a point like man,can he really?
I mean, it sounds like I said,it sounds like you can't put him
in there, but Because you, evenyou didn't put him over DMX,
dmx, don't do no.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
I but think about it is I love DMX, he's my dude, but
people don't realize like Iprobably will listen to like one
or two songs from DMX.
Oh well, I thought she heardlike that I thought she heard
like that.
No, I love D, like that's my.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Ever heard flesh, my flesh, blood, of my blood album.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
I I got.
I probably listen to the songsbut, like I said, I'm not really
I album.
I could I know about songsthough.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
That's my favorite albums.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Yeah, yes, I was just more, like you know, but I'm
not gonna take anything awayfrom DMX.
I know that he was great, soI'm just saying so, like so, but
um.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
But I listen to a lot of Drake, so it was just more
like yeah, I'm like so and shitis honestly, ll was the Drake
before.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
He was the Drake in the 80s.
Yeah, he was a Drake in the 80s, like he was the first one to
bring up the, the term go.
Yeah, you know, like he was, hewas Drake, you know.
And respectively, I gotta takeLL over Drake.
I'm sorry, I know I'm piss.
A lot of Drake fans are, butsame time she got it I got a
respect.
You know he was that dude inthe 80s, I got you.

(01:03:27):
But but yeah, this is a goodone any, uh, any.
Final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Oh, it's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I'm trying to see if I left anything off.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
I think you, I think you had that wide woman or
single, but I think I'll leaveit for another day.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Yeah, I think I was probably.
I think I had a cup and I wasjust thinking about some stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Good, because I said I told people that topic and I
said I don't know what to reallysay about that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
No, how did I even word?
I said I don't think.
I don't think.
You know it's funny.
I thought about that, I don'tknow why.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Even let me, I don't know why I didn't even bring
that up.
I don't know, because I was notprepared for that one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Ah, I knew I brought it up.
I don't want to touch on that.
I mean it wasn't really bad Iwas.
It was basically just going offthe rim of I was saying it
because I'll leave that for nextweek.
So I'm I'm that I'm gonna leavea little to be continued on
that one.
This is a good one, riddledwith a kill easy corner.

(01:04:33):
We out, yeah.