The attitude era vs modern wrestling: Which one is better

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Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah.

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He's a Nigerian brother, my boyMr Mustard man, what's going on
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Speaker 2 (01:48):
What's going on, man?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
So today, obviously we've watched a lot of good
girls' college basketball, butalso we come here today for
wrestling, professionalwrestling, the state of
wrestling.
Different topics are going ontoday.
We've been having arguments fortwo weeks, and what better day

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not to have this show on theweek of WrestleMania?
So as we talk, I want all thelisteners to kind of pay
attention.
We're going to have a lot ofdifferent debates.
We'll probably have someagreements, but I think this is
not more of a like a debate.
This is more of a conversationand an understanding on not just

(02:31):
the current era, not just theattitude era, but we can go all
the way back to the golden eraor the Bruno San Martino era,
but I just think by the end ofthis conversations we can also
have an understanding and arespect for different types of
eras in wrestling.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, somewhat somewhat.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
So obviously we've opposed the question.
I'm going to throw it out there.
For me it's just more like thatis the question that we've been
in the group.
This is all week, the attitudeera, the modern era, the
Renaissance era.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
I pass it to Trey.
First of all, I'm gonna startoff with this I do love the
attitude.
That's where I started watchingwrestling, but today's product
is so much superior like we canstart with like women's right.
Back in the day, we had Lita,we had Trish Stratus, we had
Chyna, we had Ivory right andmost of the time they were

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duking it out with like the men,because they were the only ones
that could duke it out.
Now, nowadays, right, you haveBianca, you have Charlotte, you
have Rhea Ripley, you have JadaParker in NXT man.
You have so many great womenand great stories.
That's where I'm going to startit off at.
I'm not even going to get tothe greatest of all time, roman.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Reigns, yet the greatest.
Well, you know, I agree withTrey, I didn't grow up with the
Attitude Era, though I didn'tgrow up with the Attitude Era,
but Attitude Era though I didn'tgrow up the Attitude Era.
But I do believe there arethings about the Attitude Era
that a lot of people that grewup with tend to forget.
They want to throw it to thewayside.
They want to act like it didn'thappen.
They want to act like thecompany is not different today.

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All they want to look at isratings, as if everybody watches
cable TV anymore.
There's different ways to watchthis stuff and WWE is
experiencing a boom right now.
It's like a new renaissance.
We're calling it therenaissance era.
It's a new boom, it's a newperiod.
And shout out to the Rock he'shelping, but it was happening

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before he got here.
We didn't need him, didn't needhim then to break records at 39
.
We didn't need him to breakrecords at 40.
It was sold out before the Rockcame back.
You feel me.
But I'm sure Akil's going toreminisce, he's going to glaze,
he's going to ride it, so goahead, go ahead, start riding.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
So I'm going to be making opening statements before
we get to questions.
So let me make my openingstatement.
All right, so we know what W isabout.
It used to be called WF.
Right, when you got a productlike we see in different
companies Amazon, we can look atTarget, we can look at all
these companies.
Number one goal is for thesecompanies that owns them.
They want their product to grow.

(05:16):
Can I agree that the product hasgrown?
Damn, right, it's grown.
Yeah, I will agree with y'all athousand percent.
We look at it's called sportsand entertainment.
And before we dive intodifferent conversations, I do
want to say when it comes toentertainment that's when you
look it's different.

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In sports, when you grow up assports fans and runs in the
family, you've got people that'sCowboys fans because their
family was Cowboys fans.
You've got different TV showsthat people grow up on.
That's entertainment, right.
So for you know, people grow upon that's entertainment, right.
So for me, I grew up onattitude error.
So how I feel about theattitude error, it's how y'all
feel about this error.
This is what y'all grew up onthat's captain I'm not captain

(05:59):
but mybefore we dive in, before we
dive into discussion, I will letthe people know I'm 30 years
old and I'm going to jump in andtalk about the Attitude Era
Because I grew up on it.
I grew up from the startedwatching at 99, 2000 on cable.
My first pay-per-view wasWrestleMania 17.
I still say the biggestWrestleMania of all time with
the car.
But we'll get to that later.
We'll get to that later.

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And you know two million buyson Pivot View, by the way.
But at the same time I doappreciate what the wrestlers is
doing, the athleticism andeverything.
So yeah, that's my openingstatement, great statements to
me.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Like I just said, for me I'm on the fence with it
because obviously I've beenwatching wrestling for a very,
very long time.
I know wrestling is not whereit's at because of the attitude
era.
I would say this Roman Reignsas much as you say I think he's

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the best, obviously, of thisgeneration and this era.
But, like I just said, you kindof needed the attitude error
and what I'm saying is look athis manager, which is Paul
Heyman, who was in the thickerthings in the attitude error and
, honestly, one of those guys inthe attitude error, because ECW

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is probably responsible and theWCW is probably responsible for
the attitude error.
But, like I said, I like whatI'm seeing now because, like I
just said, I really just thinkafter the pandemic, that's when
the boom really happened.
So, like I'm always going to say, like I said, the Attitude Era

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is dear to my heart.
But I'm more here to kind ofjust defend both parties,
because some of the messagesI've heard this week were
egregious.
Obviously, akira, you're mybrother, trey, you're my brother
.
So I almost have to call y'alland say, hey, man, we don't have
to put each other eras down tomake them.

(08:00):
No, when you call theUndertaker a side character in
the Attitude Era.
And then when I hear the Rock'spromos are not that good, it's
not what I said.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's not what I said.
I'm hearing who the hell is.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Gunther Like he wouldn't make it.
So my whole thing is I've hearda lot of you've seen me not
respond to none of that bullshit.
You've seen me not respond tonone of that shit.
So, like I said for me, like Itold Trey, I'm more disappointed
in him because he's arestaurant historian this nigga

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don't know no better because hedoesn't watch the product.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
He doesn't, he doesn't.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
He doesn't watch the product.
But the thing about it is Iknow how to talk to him.
I was like, hey, man, you stillgot to kind of give these dudes
a chance.
You got to give them theopportunity, because you can't
be walking around saying who isGunther, when this dude has put
in the work as anIntercontinental Champion and
you know that he's going to be afuture world champion.
That's almost the equivalent.

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That's why Dan Neerstein didn'tcome to WCW, because they think
they're like who is this girl?
That's what you almost, youalmost berated them by saying a
statement for one of the bestsuperstars in the game of day.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well, yeah, so this is when it started.
So the whole thing started waswhen I came out and I said Cody
Rhodes will be a mid-cardwrestler.
Oh my God, but this is thething.
An attitude error.
So this is the thing why I saidthat.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Hold on, I will say this Before you get there.
I will say this which CodyRhodes are you talking about?
This one currently, or theother ones that you're talking
about, like Stardust?

Speaker 1 (09:35):
This Cody Rhodes currently, we're talking about
now and yes, so here's the thinghe doubled down, right.
So this is the thing Y'allremember, like he said.
He's right Because, like I said, I haven't watched this era of
wrestling like that.
It's more so every blue moon.
Oh, cena can make a return.
Let me see what he's talkingabout.
Oh, cena can make a return.
Let me watch this segment.
It's here and there, right.

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So when I'm saying mid card inthat era, that's how this all
started and that and that's whenthe debate starts to happen,
because I'm going off of whatI'm saying.
The one thing I love about theattitude here was the character.
Not so much in the ring.
We love finishing with peopleand stuff like that.
It was more so of character,storyline, personality and what
I've seen the first 30 minutestoday.

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I like Seth Rollins, I like hismic skills and everything right
.
So when I'm saying mid-call,I'm not saying anything that he
can't main event a two back inthat day, because we've seen
guys main event have somematches like that and he's
fighting each other.
You know, like mid-card in thattime was Hardy Boys.
They wasn't doing main eventsuntil later on Dudley Boys,

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jericho in the beginning wasn't.
You know what I'm saying.
So I'm talking on that level.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I'm saying so, I'm talking on that level.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I'm not saying he's going to open up the first match
.
You know I'm not talking onthat level.
Those are usually big artiststoo, right, yeah, so that's all
I'm saying when I think of maineventers at that time was Rod
Stone Cold Chip the money makers, so you don't think Cody Rhodes
would be a money maker.
In that era it would happeneventually at some point.
I'm not saying he would neverdo it, it's more so of because I
know y'all bring up mick foley.
So one thing that peoplerespected about mick foley he

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had some of the best momentsever.
He took the bump in that onthat hell in a cell when people
really thought this nigga mightbe dead.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
You know what I'm saying you don't think cody rose
could make moments?

Speaker 1 (11:18):
I'm not saying he could, he probably would have,
he was in that era.
No, he would have, he probablywould have, he would have, he
would have.
So the reason why I'm sayinglike main event, because those
guys was selling merch Peoplewas buying the pay-per-views
because of them, they waswatching, they was tuning in.
Because of that it wasn't notthe in-ring skill, because what
I'm seeing every week is thisnigga got a fucking suit on
every week.

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You know what I mean?
What's?

Speaker 2 (11:40):
wrong with that, though?
He's a baby face.
Right, he's a baby face.
Chris Jericho used to come outin suits when he was a heel
right.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Well, when he first came out.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
He had the whole when he came out, yeah, but later on
, when he became a heel, hewould come out with a suit.
You feel me?
And Cody is the modern dayAmerican baby face.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
That is what he is, and that is what he is, and Cody
has proven.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Even though he was a mid-carder back then, they could
have elevated him at any point.
Vince just didn't see him onthat level.
He never saw him on that level.
He had to leave, prove that hewas on that level right, even
though all the fans knew Everyyear fans wanted Cody Rhodes to
rise to that next level, justlike Dolph Ziggler and all these
other guys.
Vince never saw like that Codyproved he can do any character

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role.
The dashing Cody Rhodes.
The masked Cody Rhodes.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Even Stardust got over for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Even Stardust got over for a little bit.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
He can do all of it.
But to caveat on top of that,with today's culture you don't
think it's hard to get over as aprofessional wrestler now.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
It definitely is.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
You see Cody Rhodes on these platforms.
You see the types of views thathe gets on on social media.
Oh, yeah, yeah, in like the dayand age, where it's so hard to
forget about somebody, I thinkis even more admirable.
And then it shows that you canstick certain stars in any era
and they'll succeed.
You know, it's like me sayingthe Undertaker, it was a

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secondary character, like, let'sjust face the facts.
Halfway through the attitudeera he had to switch gimmicks
because him being a gothicpriest just wasn't working.
His worst angles come from theattitude.
Of course, definitely rememberthat hell in a cell match, which
was was a 10 minute match.
By the way, you speak upon this, like this mid part, I can

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argue that the mid card isbetter and more enjoyable to
watch, because not only are theygreat characters, not only are
they entertaining, they can goin that ring and they can bust
it down 10, 15 minutes everynight.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
But I would kind of tend to disagree with the mid
card, because I remember whenthe mid cardscards when it was
Guerrero, jericho and Benoit, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Ruthless aggression, ruthless aggression.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Even that middle of the 2001 run, I remember when
Jericho and Benoit won those tagtitles, that tag team turnovers
in Judgment Day that elevatedthem to get to the King of the
Ring.
What happened afterwards?
No, what happened afterwards?
Benoit broke his neck, benoitbroke his neck and then that

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messed up angle with WCWhappened.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
But my thing is, though in the mid-card right,
like you got guys, because rightnow Gunther right he's
dominating mid-card.
Yeah, gunther is a main eventguy.
Whether we Right now Guntherright, he's dominating mid-card.
Yeah, gunther is a main eventguy.
Even though he's got a mid-cardtitle, he is a main event guy.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
But the other thing that I would have to say too I
don't have no problem withGunther because he's actually
wrestling, but to me there goesto show you just a little bit on
the attitude era.
I just think just a little biton the Attitude Era, I just
think just a little bit, alittle bit more versatility,
because, like in the AttitudeEra, you're not holding the

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Intercontinental Championshipfor 500.
You're not holding it for 500days.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Oh no, no, no, Television was different.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
In the Attitude Era, you're not holding it.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
But you want to know something also, you're not
holding the world title.
But I think the Intercontinentaltitle, that was the era where
because I'm not going to lie Ithink the beginning of the end
of the real prestige of thattitle and it had its moment.
Since then.
I think it was after Chyna wonit, I think after she won it if
you go look through all thechampions, right after very,

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very short reigns, like it washere, this guy wins, this guy
wins.
It was like we're going to putit on the guy right now, maybe
he's a workhorse, right, likemaybe you'll have the Van Dams,
the Jeff Hardys, like those guysget it.
But then you'll have theseshort reigns where guys will
hold it for sometimes not eventhree weeks.
They'll hold it.
It'll be a transitionalchampion, a lot of transitional
champions.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
You.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
You have your runs here and there.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
But I think what Triple H has done with the
Intercontinental title right now, he has built it.
People were even talking aboutcashing in the briefcase on the
Intercontinental Champion.
That's how big up that titlehas become.
I think that title is honestlymore prestigious and maybe you
could say it's a detriment towhat Seth Rollins is doing.
It's arguably more prestigiousthan that world title right now

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because of how Gunther hasdominated with that title
weekend and we go weekend, weekout defend that title, having
great matches every week in theattitude era.
This is why I said I'm glad youpoint out the Undertaker right,
the Undertaker is best phase ofhis career came after the
attitude.
Even the things areromanticized.
You stole Coles run wasn't eventhat long.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Well, because, no, no , because this is the thing
about it is.
Stop acting like you have tohave a long run in this business
to be great.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
That's not what we said.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
No, no, no, Because my whole thing is this, because
it's almost like in sports to meI'm choosing guys at their best
.
If you tell me a theory, ifyou're out of it.
So Daniel guys at their best,if you tell me so, daniel Bryan
is good as a technician, as awrestler, as anybody, but even
Austin's, austin's four-year runcan actually be a lot of guys.

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15 years.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
I can't feel you there, but at the end of day
it's four years.
And also it contains thedrop-off, because people forget.
The biggest drop-off ofviewership came after he shook
Vince McMahon's hand.
People stopped watching afterthat.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
That was the beginning of the decline of
viewership, but you brought upthe four years.
Remember too, he did get thatneck injury and that was a
mistake.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
That was a bad decision.
That was a bad decision, butthe only reason why I said that
was a bad decision To shake thisman.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
That was a bad decision.
But the only reason why I saidit was a bad decision was
because the Rock was leaving.
I get that.
That's the only reason why.
And then what happened?

Speaker 2 (17:33):
He turned heel, he did the two-man power trip and
Triple H got hurt.
So who was going to fill thatbabyface role?

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Who was going to do it.
But that's the thing we talkabout.
And go back to that four yearthing.
I remember too, when they camefrom 97 to that 01.
That's when, remember, stoneCold had that neck injury and
that kind of you know what I'msaying that kind of showed it up
.
But that four year, even beforethat, the whole infamous King
of the Ring quote he made.
That's what was the beginningof Austin 316 in 96.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
He was doing a bunch of nothing after that.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Until.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Rushie.
Mania when he broke his neckand then he had to miss a whole
bunch of time.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
But the reason why, too, you gotta understand with
the Stone Cold, the legend ofhim is the fans made it to a
point where he was the mostpopular guy when he was an
intercontinental Dude, to thepoint where he's look here, rock
, I give you the title.
Yeah, I ain't gonna fight youfor the title.
So, and that's the thing abouthim, like the crowd you, he was

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so popular when you just had togive him the title From Shawn
Mikeson it was, it was alreadyjust like Daniel.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Bryan was so popular the point you just had to give
him the title from Shawn Mifflin.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
It was already Just like Daniel Bryan was so popular
.
He changed the main event, didhe not?
No, no, he did.
But that's the thing.
I'm just not a big believer inthis longevity shit.
No, that's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
We're just saying there's.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cutyou off, but there's context to
things and I feel like peopleact like like for example people
think it's ridiculous to evencompare stone cold and john cena
.
John cena dominated for alonger period than stone cold
and he had the drawing power.
He was the.
He was the guy in the business,the guy.

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Stone cold's run wasn't verylong but it was a dominant.
It was a great dominant, but itwasn't as long stop, roman
Reigns just went on.
The same amount of run In onechampionship reign.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
And then what, what, what I like, what, like I like,
we'll say about Stone Cold Isthat how many people Did he
really make Like?
You can say, if, like RomanReigns, loses Sunday and we
never see him again, he left it,that it'd be be a better place
than the place that he found it.
You can't say stone cold didthe?
You know same thing, becauseafter he left, everything went
so all weeks went down the theviewership so I got a question.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Attendance went down I got a question for all of
y'all for both of y'all so arewe having this?
Are we really trying to debatebetween roman reigns and stone
cold, that's?

Speaker 3 (19:58):
not what we're saying , but like I'm bringing it up,
but the thing about Troy.
I like how you put that and Iagree with you.
But doesn't that show howvaluable Stone Cold is?

Speaker 1 (20:10):
No, no, no, no, no no no, that proves you when you
ain't going nowhere.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
I'm just saying when you know no, no, no, no.
The viewership went down.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
No, it's not just the viewership, and thank you, I'm
glad you said that it's not justabout viewership.
The mark of a great wrestler iswho you can bring along with
you, and I think that's one ofthe things about John Cena I
don't like.
John Cena didn't really elevateguys during his run.
That's not really all on him.
It's also on the booking.
But Roman Reigns in his run.
Jey Uso is a main event guy.

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Solo.
Jey Uso is a main event guy.
Solo is going to be okay.
Solo will be fine.
He saved Sami Zayn.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
He's about to face Golder, what are you talking
about?
He got a main event atWrestlemania.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
A tag match.
Is that possible without RomanReigns?
No, it's not the Usos.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
So when Austin, the Austin injury in 2000, that
doesn't elevate Triple H and theRock.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
But Triple H and the Rock elevated each other In
2000,.
They elevated each other.
You can say Austin injured, butthat's not Austin himself
elevating them.
That's not.
That was just a coincidence.
The man got hurt.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
He got hurt, but that was the number one guy.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
He was the number one guy.
He was the number one guy inthose other two and three and
Triple H and Austin were kind ofeven not Austin, triple H and
the Rock.
They were already kind ofelevated to the point that they
could take over that spot.
That would be like if Roman gothurt right now and Cody and
Seth just started going at it.
They could do that.
They've been elevated enoughinto that spot.
But Roman has made God Hell.

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Roman's about to make Cody,because I think Cody will win.
I think Cody will win.
So when Cody wins he's going tobe the man and he's going to
take over until the fans Becauseyou know fans are fickle
they're going to turn on him.
I know it's going to happen oneday.
He's wearing a suit.
Yeah, he doesn't want to turnheel.
He's going to have to do thatone day.

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It's just inevitable.
Fans turn on you.
It is what it is.
Tell me who are the guys thatStone Cold really brought up?
Then we're talking about theattitude error in certain guys.
Let's not forget thepost-fallout after that, the
reign of terror.
Oh my god, that was one of theworst stretches of Raw ever.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Yes, Beating everybody, wcw, I agree with you
on that.
I agree with you on that.
Let's not leave too far fromthe attitude area.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Let's not forget how this all culminated.
This all culminated with VinceMcMahon being champion,
basically Because he got hisbiggest op to to like, be his
biggest pal and like, like youknow, granted stage.
You can argue that thisbloodline story is way miles
beyond what wrestlemania 17 hadgoing into it was.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
This is the best story they've ever done well.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
So the reason why I mean, if you talk about so 17, I
remember especially for me that.
So okay.
So remember we we seen when theRock and Austin Fall in 15,
that was cool.
Austin was already here, theRock was trying to get there, he
was on the way, he wascorporate champion and all this
stuff.
So that fight was a good Match,it was cool.
But it wasn't the reason why wemade 17 so iconic, because you

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already had these two.
It was on their match.
So austin did austin at theinjury 99.
He came back so he tended toeven have a title in for like
two and a half years.
So you had both guys.
That was faces.
It was obvious we wanted thismatch every week.
It was always a face off andthey had the famous jr in the
middle with them.
So it did not just that match,you had the matches under that.

(23:44):
The triple h undertaker, whichwas good, you had.
The tlc match was god damn.
That shit was ridiculous, soright.
So it was just the fans.
We just all wanted it inastrodome, 60 000 at that time,
the biggest buy.
Everybody just was hyped to seethat fight in a sense.
So that was made that match soiconic, don't you think?

Speaker 2 (24:06):
also because I think something we're forgetting is
the role of vince played in allof this vince in the attitude
there.
I actually think vince is thegreatest heel ever yeah, he is
the greatest heel in wb history,at least ever.
Yeah, I think vince was great inthe attitude area.
He was great in the rules, buthe was the problem.
He was the problem.
He was not giving guysopportunities.

(24:29):
He stuck with Cena.
Seeing punks talk about it somany people talk about it.
If you just watch that show ona week-to-week basis, it seemed
like they only had plans forJohn Cena and nobody else.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
One last point that you can agree with me.
I'll let you go after this.
One last point that you agreewith me.
The only thing I hate aboutthat fucking match was, all of a
sudden, vince McMahon.
I feel like it was his ego thatwanted to get his ass involved
in that match because I thinkthat match was so big.
You didn't need Vince McMahonto hop in and be on Austin's
side.
When I was a kid, I didn'tunderstand the shake.
I didn't.
It took me as I got older tounderstand the shake.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
And now, looking back , it's like dude, why did you
get your ass involved?
Even the 2000 match, whereevery McMahon is in a corner for
the fatal four-way.
That was ridiculous.
I don't need to see LindaMcMahon in a corner of Mankind
at the WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, I got you.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
That was ridiculous, the McMahons.
But that's just what they do.
Yeah, they love that spotlight.
When Ronda Rousey came back,stephanie, she had to get
involved.
Right, you got to get that rub.
That's what they do.
But I think, vince and we'veseen it now since what was it
that SummerSlam three years agowhere Roman faced Brock?
Triple H has changed so much.
He gave Rhea Ripley the title.

(25:35):
She's dominated.
Dom turned heel.
Roman has continued the run.
He's on.
Cody is now going to do thatpart two of his story.
Seth Rollins got the worldtitle.
He's doing his thing.
Gunther's got his title.
Bianca's come up.
Jay has come up.
I think we can agree.
The women now are far betterthan the women back then.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
It's not even close.
That's why I ain't touching youin there In the group I say,
look, I agree with y'all thewomen now they look just as good
and they can fight their assoff, Like it was back then.
It was more so China Models,Models.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
But then that's got to add To this era, because back
in the day you couldn't reallywatch Raw Around your parents
like that.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
But now, that's where we live, but now, bro.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
I'm going to our shows, I'm seeing daughters, I'm
seeing mothers.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Wearing women's merchandise.
It's really a whole family.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Now it's gonna change A little bit, though, when they
go to Netflix.
It will change, but not back tothe Attitude era, stuff I know
but and another thing, too, withthe attitude.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Another thing that we love, too, was them Pushing
that fourth wall.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Breaking, trying to.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Go beyond measurements To where?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
But they also had Less to lose.
The society at that time it wastrash tv different yeah, jerry
springer was on top it was

Speaker 4 (26:48):
they.
They were in a war too, which Ithink goes to the frequent
title changes desperately.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
I feel like they always needed to push the
envelope like something new,because wcw is always changing.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah, but now we're like roman.
It's like you can be in likethe spot where you were in Hulk
Hogan, where, if business isbooming, why take the title off
of it?
You don't need to tell anotherstory.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Just build this one up.
I got a question for both ofy'all then.
So do you think that the reasonwhy they're holding the title
well, because we know, butbefore this, do y'all think that
the reason why the title was onhim for so long is because the
company didn't know who to giveit to, possibly that the fans
could be like get behind?
I don't think it was just that.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I think in the beginning maybe, but when it
really started getting so long Ithink it was WrestleMania last
year Because they were like oh,he's held it for over 900 days.
I'm not going to lie Once,because I think the first night
the Usos lost, so I was like Ifigured Cody was going to
probably lose.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
I think Sami Zayn made all this last longer.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
He did.
But the thing with Sammy is Ialways thought, even when he
joined once they started doingthe whole thing with Kevin Owens
fighting the Usos I was like,okay, they're going to beat the
Usos.
That's what I thought initiallyfrom the jump.
I know some people thoughtSammy was going to beat Roman.
That was never going to happento me.
I always thought Cody was goingto come back and challenge
Roman.
But I did say when Cody lost,if Cody is really that guy, he

(28:12):
will sustain his popularity.
And it will be similar to whenDaniel Bryan right.
When they didn't put the titleon Daniel Bryan, fans revolted.
And what happened?
The Rock comes back and Codygets that spot because the fans
really wanted him in that spot.
That proves he is that guy.
So you say he'd be a mid-carddude.
He was able to get the fans toturn on the Rock.

(28:33):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
And I Rock.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
I would say this Like I said, Iagree with you.
I think if it was any othercircumstance, they don't turn on
the Rock.
But the reason why they turnedis because Cody won the Royal
Rumble.
I think if it was anythingdifferent, I think everybody
emphasizes Cody won the RoyalRumble.

(28:55):
I think if it was anythingdifferent, I think everybody
emphasizes.
Like Cody won the Royal Rumble,like he has the right to go,
and that was the way they wentabout it.
Yeah, exactly Exactly Like I gotsomebody else Like Cody, you
bring the Rock, I'm like whatyou giving up?
It just looked bad, it lookedbad.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
To be fair, I do think in today's age, and I
think fans are smarter, they'remore wise into the business.
You see things on social media,you see reports, you see all
that Fans are more wise into thebusiness.
Hell before people evenreturned, fans already know.

Speaker 4 (29:22):

Speaker 2 (29:23):
When Brock Lesnar came back, fans knew Brock
Lesnar was coming back in 2020.
First first came back and thatwas like over a decade ago.
And fans were wise.
So now it's just a lot moreinsight on the game, insight on
everything backstage.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
So that's how it is and that's why I think I know we
talk about pop, so I thinkthat's why you had a lot of
things that was happening withlike instant shock reaction.
Man, my favorite pop dog waswhen I put in a group when Stone
Cold came back at Backlashbecause up to that boy, we hated
Triple H.
He would bust up the rock Everyweek.
It was like God damn, I hatethis dude.

(29:56):
And then they said and thenback Like Fisherman said Triple
H, stone Cold ain't coming back.
Yada, yada.
If they had the internet wewould have known Stone Cold came
back.
But this dude came back, savedthe rock, won and all this other
shit.
It was People cried, dog,people cried.
When that happens, I just thinknow with the Pops it's there,
but I think people, like y'allsaid, people already know
already with rumors and he goingto come back this night.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
It's like damn, I don't want to just die.
Go ahead, go ahead, you go.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
I was actually going to say the fans are pretty
engaged now.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
They're singing to us the theme songs and whatnot.
I really have a brain.
So go ahead, I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I did see some wild shit.
That's what I like, I think.
I think when you look at thebusiness now, obviously it's a
business.
And yeah, I know I'm seeing this.
This dude Jay Is ridiculous dog, but it's a business.
Now I understand that.
But I also just think that atthe end of the day, like when
you look at the product, it isdifferent, the company is

(30:57):
different, the way they runthemselves different, and I
don't think wwe even really want, or at least when vince was
running things.
I can't speak for triple h2because you know it has to be
seen first, but when vince wasrunning things I really do
believe he didn't want to createanother rock, I think the rock
leaving for holly Hollywoodbecause the Rock also didn't
really have too long of a runwhen he came back with the.

(31:18):
Hollywood, rock stuff.
That was a short, short period.
He left and he went toHollywood for years and didn't
come back.
But the Rock as I talk about itthe Rock pops up on Raw.
He's attacking Jay, but my pointis, though, I don't think they
wanted to create that, becauseeven John Cena right Cena's gone
.
I don't think John Cena,because he may make an
appearance here and there, buthe's closer to retirement.

(31:39):
He is very, very close toretirement when you create these
, because Roman, that's anotherone he will go to, I'm sure,
roman will go to Hollywood atsome point, and I don't think
he's going to be wrestling forthat long.
So so my point is like I don'tthink they even want to create
somebody like that.
I don't think the business isset up for people to succeed to
that level.
Look at all the names weprobably lost.
Like some people loved Cesaro,he didn't get over to that level

(32:02):
, right, they didn't want to puthim over like that.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Nah, it's booking, man, and like right now, the
booking is just way better, man,and the stars are treated in
like a way that they used to betreated back during the attitude
area, where everybody wasgiving a fair shot in it, and
then it was really sink or swim.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Oh, not bad, I think we, we react.
Cody's back out.
Yeah, I know you watching it.
Oh, you watching it too.
Oh, you, you, you ahead of us,oh you ahead of us bro, like I
guess what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
They go watching it on the app.
Bro, like this is what I'msaying.
They go watching it on the app.
Roman Reigns built all theseguys up.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
He built Cody up.
Oh, they going crazy for this.
They going crazy.
See, this is that pop is yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Because you know what ?
Yeah, they show blood.
I'm shocked the Rock is eventaking bumps.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
I can't even lie.
I know I'm shocked If the Rocktake this bump on the table dog.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
It's crazy he's got to take this bump.
Oh my God, You're not takingthe bump, don't, show, don't
show me, don't show me, becausesomebody might come out.
Roman might come, I doubt it,but Damn, the Rock's still being
exaggerating.
I need the Rock to take onemore stunner bro.
Oh, it is Roman, I knew it yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
I knew it.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
The.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
GOAT.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Oh, he ain't finna hit this rock bottom, he'll
probably show up afterwards togive him a timeout.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, the Rock ain't taking that bump dog, I forgot.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Aren't they in the middle of a home match?
Where's Solo?
And I promise you, this is howit's going to be At that main
event, night two not night one.
They're chanting for CM Punk.
I don't know why that doesn'tmake any sense.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
So you know what's funny about that CM Punk chant?
I've seen they was randomlydoing it.
That's what they would do withwith us.
You, like a random Austin said,like Austin ain't coming out,
it's like CM Punk is on.
That type of level, that's like.
He does.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, see it but I will say he does have a lot of
haters too.
A lot of people don't like CMPunk Spoil.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
I probably it when I see it.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
You know he plays football?
Yeah, cause he makes his spearslook like a tackle.
Like I realized that he playedwith Calvin Johnson on Georgia
State Damn, and he made the NFLfor Georgia Tech.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Damn Cody just getting bitched like that.
Damn yeah.
And he made the NFL for theTexas Trips.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Damn Cody, just getting bitched like that.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Record-breaking numbers, record-breaking
sellouts.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
I didn't know he was cutting a promo.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Because of Roman Reigns, your tribal chief, his
camera, his ring, his fans Hisstream.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
He's slurping it a little.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Raw is Roman, smackdown is Roman.
That's why they gave him 5billion, because look at who the
champion is.
The greatest of all time, romanReigns.
Throw them ones up.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
You're glazing a little too hard, but I can't get
mad At how he loves RomanBecause this is his era.
So he feels like how I feel.
He's been a wrestling fan 20years oh shit, he's about to
whoop him.
He's been a wrestling fan 20years oh shit, he's about to
whoop him.
That's why I can't believe yousaying this man's the GOAT, he's
the greatest I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
So who your top 5?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
all time.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Roman Reigns, john Cena.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Who's in your top 5?

Speaker 4 (35:26):
The Rock Stone Cold and Undertaker.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
See, we got similar.
Like me, we got the exact five.
Are Roman's in your top five?
No, no, after you said yourfive was Rock, yeah, mine mine.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
It's not in order, but I would have the Rock, I'd
have Undertaker, I'd have JohnCena, I'd have Stone Cold and
I'd have Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, we got the same five.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
We got the same exact five.
Like I just said, I saw thisman became the best heel and the
best face.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
How many stars I?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
don't know about the best heel.
Spencer McMahon is the bestheel.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
In NWO, Hulk Hogan was the best heel in the
business.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Oh, you mean at that time?

Speaker 3 (36:12):
In NWO he was the best heel when he turned heel
when them fans threw that trashat him.
Business.
Oh, you mean at that time NWOis the best when he turned heel
with them fans through thattrash Greatest turn ever.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
That's yeah, god.
They whooping these guys.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Eric Bischoff's greatest creation is NWO.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
They ruined it, though, especially the Star King
.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's one of the worst money buys on that
pay-per-view, the poke of deathor whatever, no, no, the Star
King would sting.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was horrible.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
But that's what makes Roman Reigns so great.
The whole NWO run could besummarized in the Bloodlines.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Oh my God, they whooping this dude and we're
still not tired of this, bro.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
The bloodline story is still going.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
To be fair, the bloodline.
I do think, like dude, there'sa couple mistakes I didn't like.
I didn't like the whole Jimmything with Jay.
That I still think was amistake.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
I feel like it was necessary.
No, I just I didn't like theflip flop.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
He started all this.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
That's what I'm saying.
That didn't make any sense.
If you were beating the heel byyourself, I would have been
okay, yeah, that's the thing hejoined back.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
That's the thing that made no sense.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
He's protecting Solo the same way that he protects.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
No, they haven't even teased that dog.
No, they haven't even teasedthat dog.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
No, they haven't even teased that I'm gonna ask y'all
a question.
I'm gonna ask this for you,easy too.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
And the fact that Before you say something.
The fact I'm just surprisedthat Raw took this approach.
Cody Rose getting beat Back toback Raw like that.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
That's how you know he's getting that chip, because
he's getting that chip dog, he'sgot.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Because before my question I will agree.
I told you, because I don'tthink nobody enrolled Dusty,
None of them.
They never won a title beforeright.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
No.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I will agree that if he do win that pop going to be
crazy.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
I will.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
It is but my question .
Okay, let's say I'm going toplay devil's advocate.
Let's say, for some reason,they don't go with that
storyline.
Let's say it's like you knowwhat.
Oh he loses.
Yeah, what you think is thealternative?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
I'm gonna be honest with you.
If Roman Reigns wins, they willthrow trash in that ring.
I really do believe fans willbe angry if he wins.
Fans will be angry if he wins,and if he loses, or if he does
win, I think he's going to holdit again for another year, of
course, because he's not losingunless it's WrestleMania, and I
think he's going to beat theRock.
I think he's going to hold itfor another year Because the
Rock and Roman is the match nextyear.

(38:45):
Whether people like it or not,that will be the main event.
I think that's going to be theRock's last match.
That.
That would be the perfect wayfor you to end your career.
Yeah, and I just don't know.
I don't know who would be theguy.
Maybe Bron Breaker when hecomes up, because Bron's already
on the main roster.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Would it be?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
CM Punk somewhere when he get healthy.
No, punk should not be the oneto beat him.
It has to be someone that couldbenefit.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
So, cody, right now, that pop was crazy.
I will admit that I mean he andthrowing hands and doing all
this other crazy shit, but itwas a pop like people was going
crazy.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
So, man, and it reminds me of like it really
does remind me of when DanielBryan cause, like I was, I look
at Daniel Bryan as when he wasat his peak, if you go look at
some of the reactions he wasgetting it reminds me and I
don't care you may be offended.
It reminds me of when StoneCold Would get certain reactions
If you go back, you canhonestly compare yes to what.

(39:37):
Yeah, I remember there was asegment.
You can go back and find it.
It was when Daniel Bryan was apart of the Wyatt family, when
he shed the skin.
It's ironic he actually doesn'tremember that he said he got
concussed.
That moment, though, is one ofthe best raw moments ever.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
That and when he had all those fans in the ring.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, and you know it's crazy when the hard cam is
just shaking, the fans weregoing, like he was so good at
getting people behind him, and Ithink Cody is very similar in
that way.
Now, granted, cody Cody is notas small as Daniel Bryan.
Daniel Bryan was small, he wasmore relatable.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
He was like an underdog he was the underdog.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Cody is an underdog, but it's not like he hasn't had
success.
You know what I mean.
We know he's going to get thereat some point.
Daniel Bryan, we honestly didnot know if he would ever get
back to that title?

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, because I think at that time you know.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
He wasn't even supposed to be in the main event
.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, because they promoted Batista.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
That was ridiculous.
By the way, One of the worstdecisions I think they've ever
made To have Batista win thatRumble.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
I don't understand that, and Easy made a good point
.
We was talking about this andyou could probably say it better
than me.
He are great.
You know when people wrestlersare great, when they don't need
to have that title around theirwaist.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
And that's.
I think that was my thing withRoman Because, like a lot of his
mystique right now is him withthe world championship.
So, like my whole thing is, Iwant to see how great he is with
Downey.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, that's why I'm saying when he drops, I'm
telling y'all, when he dropsthat title he is going because
eventually he is going to be ababyface again and I think he is
going to have a because before.
That's how fans work, right,like you get booed at first.
If they don't like you, thenyou turn heel.
They like you and then you havethat monster babyface run Like

(41:31):
the Rock did.
Right, the Rock, he was booedto all hell.
Right, turned heel, then he wasable to turn babyface and he
was a monster babyface.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
I have to disagree with it.
I think once Roman Reigns losesthis title, he can ride off to
the sunset.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Oh, wow, you think he'll retire.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
We don't have to see him without the title.
He's already saved the dead ofhis life.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
You're not helping us right now.
He loves.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Roman, though.
Come on though.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Burrow's been champion for it's been three and
a half years, it's been almostfour years.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
This nigga's.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Bruno Cimitino though it's been a long time dog.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
He saved SmackDown from.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
He did save.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
SmackDown I hate to say this because he's passed on.
But Ray Wyatt and Bro, I wasn'tgoing to be watching SmackDown,
I'd be watching AEW if thosewere the main guys.
Roman Reigns has carriedSmackDown.
He has carried the WWE.
Once he loses this, it's done.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
And you know something else.
I also think people forget,like when people say, oh, roman
Doesn't wrestle enough, hedoesn't wrestle enough.
Roman used to wrestle so oftenLike.
Forget.
Like when he came back with thepandemic.
People forget he had like about5-6 years, like with the shield
.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
But he was Mismanaged in those years he was but what
was he gonna do?

Speaker 2 (43:12):
that's crazy.
That's our throats is crazy.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
No, ditty, please Jesus.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
That was crazy.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
No, no, but like.
I just said like, but was it?
I need to see him as being the.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
God, no, no, no, I agree with you on that.
But my thing is, like I getwhere you're coming from,
because I don't get theimpression that Roman wants to
really stay after he drops thattitle Because, like, he has a
lot of things to dopost-wrestling career and I hate
to say this, but the leukemiais there.
It's possible to come back andI think if I'm Roman, I'm
looking at this like, look, likeof course he would probably

(43:46):
want to, right, but he has afamily.
We know he hates the schedule,right, that's why he's got
limited dates and on top of that, like I said, the leukemia
stuff.
And he already has theHollywood Connect.
He can go to Hollywood rightnow if he wanted to.
So, like, I kind of get that hehas nothing left to prove.
He really doesn't.
Even if Roman comes back andlike, let's say he's mediocre in

(44:07):
the ring, he's still RomanReigns, fans will still love him
, they'll cheer him, no matterwhat he does.
Yeah, it's the same thing.
The Rock.
People forget that Roman, thatCena and Rock, that second match
was trash.
Oh, it was horrible.
It was horrible, but nobodyreally it was bad.
You thought it was good?
Oh, it was a snooze fest, dog.
Oh, and the Rock got hurt inthe match.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
It was bad dog, it wasn't good, it was nobody
cheering.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
It was like turn this off and then also another thing
I hate about that match andthey did this in 28.
I don't know, like, maybe it'sbecause John Cena's in there and
I love John Cena, but he's not.
He's a good wrestler, he's notsomeone I would lean on to carry
a match like that, compared toother guys.
And if you watch those,especially 28, at the end they
were just reversing out of onemove, reversing into the next.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Was it the second one or the first one?
Both they did it in both.
Well, the first one was goodbecause it was a non-title.
It was a dream match.
The first one was a great match.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
But if you look at the ending of that match, but
especially in the second one, itwas like rock bottom attempt.
Oh, what's up?

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Do y oh for your Mac.
Yeah, this is about the.
Is it on this side?

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Is it right here?
Is that it?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Yeah that's it, that's it, that's it.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
That's his charger.
Oh yeah, there you go.
Yeah, that match was bad though.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
I'm just saying go, look at it.
It's like rock bottom attemptreverse AA, rock bottom attempt
AA.
Then they hit whatever movethey want to hit.
It's like it was the same thingfor the last five, six minutes.
I'm just saying I don't thinkthat first match it was a great
match but it didn't live up toall that hype.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
I mean, it wasn't rock holding.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah, it was not rock holding up to all that, I mean,
was a rock holding yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah it was not rock.
Okay, it was lucky better thanthat man, no rock.
That match was not just the maplike just the aura, or it.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Yeah, I felt like you guys got offended whenever I
said their reverence was betterthan Stone Cold.
But who?
Who did Hulk Hogan choose tohave that match with?
He chose to wrestle with theRock.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
No, but, I heard Stone Cold didn't want to do
business.
Yeah, I don't think Stone Coldliked the Rock, the match Hulk
had lost, though.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Like Stone.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Cold.
Yeah, yeah, no, no.
But I think Stone Cold was moreworried.
I think he said it.
He was more worried about thereaction, Because they like it's
not even word.
I think he said it.
He was more worried about thereaction.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
It's not even just that I would be worried about
Hulk Hogan changing the finish,because Hulk Hogan has a
tendency to do that.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
No, no, no.
I think when he came back in 02, it wasn't like they weren't
happy.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
No, what I didn't like about Stone Cold is how he
just walked out that was notcool.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
No, but you heard what happened.
I get like about Stone Cold ishow he just walked out that was
not cool.
I get that.
No, I do.
What happened again?
He walked out because he lookedat Vince.
Vince told him to lose to BrockLesnar on Monday night.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
I get that.
I get that.
That was bad.
My thing is, though, I get that, but it's not the end of thing
is though, but my thing is,though Yo, you got to.
My thing is I get that, butlike it's not the end of the
world, dog You're losing toBrock Lesnar on a Monday.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
You guys never fought for four.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
There's nothing wrong , Nigga.
Hulk Hogan lost to Brock Lesnaron Raw with a bear hug.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
No, hulk Hogan lost to Brock Lesnar thinking that he
was going to go to Get arematch.
Yeah, I know, I know he thoughthe was going to but he didn't.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
That was bad, but he didn't.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
I'm sure they would have built eventually to a Stone
Cold and Brock Lesnar likepay-per-view match Now granted-.
A Monday night-.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
I get that, but at the end of the.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Ring qualifier on Monday night.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I mean, I get that, but sometimes so you walk out.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I'm not walking out, but like is this really the?

Speaker 2 (48:00):
finish.
I get that, but you got to dowhat you got to do.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
You got to do what you got to do.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Roman lost to Finn Balor clean in his first match.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Sometimes you just got to take the L.
I think part of it too.
I agree, if I'm watching I'dsee him lose.
I'm like bro, who's this nigga?
You know what I'm saying?
No, brock was cooking.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
He was cooking Brock was cooking, but as a kid, if
I'm a nine-year-old kid watchingStone Cold lose, I'm like, but
eventually you're going to knowwho Brock is.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
That's going to put him over part of it.
Maybe would have been that youknow what I'm saying, because he
was already going through it.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
He was tired, he was tired of it.
It was a lot and they did sayat that time they didn't really
know what to do with him.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
I remember too that when you talk about that time so
we got guys right now that'slike Roman Reigns is fighting.
Like here and there Back thenit was the reason why I think a
part of it was that guys thatwas so great in a short period
of time is because you'retalking about every Monday,
thursday, sundays with Sundaynight heat.
You know what I'm sayingSometimes, yeah, velocity and

(49:02):
things like that.
So three, four years of likejust show up and we watch them
on TV was fine.
Now you can take off days andjust show up and do certain
things.
That's why, like the thing withUndertaker, that's why he gets
so much praise, because he wasthat veteran in the locker room.
You know what I'm saying,especially with the whole Bret
Hart Shawn Michaels incident.
He was the guy in the middlethat was like look, y'all ain't

(49:23):
finna have this bullshithappening back here.
Like he was the guy peoplelooked up to.
I mean it didn't stop.
What happened though?
Right, it was about to go downand shit.
Like Bret Hart did all thebullshit back there.
So that saved the company.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
So Undertaker played a huge part.
The Montreal Screwjob saved WWEA huge part but at one cost.
It did it, saved it.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
His worst storyline.
He raved about the storyline.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Stealing Stephanie McMahon.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Hey, bro, okay, okay, we are applauding kidnapping,
we are applauding sacrificingpeople, bro.
That's what the Undertaker wasduring that era, but that was
the oar To harp on a stone cold.
He knew he was on borrowed timeand he didn't make anybody on
his way out.
The key thing of business isafter I leave, this ship should

(50:11):
still be selling, and how manysales did he raise?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
well he's.
I looked at the merchandisesales, he's number two.
Yeah, he's still top five, uh,w merchandise sales, like 2023
but we're not talking aboutmaking uh, who was number one cm
punk like.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Think about it, stone cold left.
Chris jericho.
He's not a main eventerundertaker.
He's not selling, though he'snot.
He's not a Manny VitterUndertaker.
Oh, he was a Manny Vitter.
He's not selling, though he'snot.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
He's not a draw.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Well but who's really selling with Roman?
Roman's not a draw.
No, who's selling after Roman?
Cody Rhodes will be that guy.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
That's the whole point of the match.
We banking on that.
That's how he will, but that'show this works, though, but
that's how this works.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Though Cody is still selling right now.
He's the guy on Raw.
Roman's not on Raw.
Cody is the man.
I know Seth Rollins, let's behonest.
Cody is the man, he's the manon Raw.
So he is that guy.
He is that guy.
And they have other guys Like.
I do believe one day BronBreaker will get there.
I think Jade Cargill can getthere.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Gil can get there.
That's why they're buildingthese people up.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Trick Williams can get there, Carmelo Hayes can get
there, but the main guy, Ithink Bron Breaker.
Bron Breaker will get there.
All you gotta do give him theGoldberg push and he'll be fine,
or give him the Ryback push.
Give him the Ryback push.
They almost had something withhim.
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
This whole Stone Cold dog.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Come on, he's on the Mount Rushmore.
But if you have to put one head, one inch higher, you'd put
Roman Reigns in.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I'm not with him on that.
That's a little too much.
I can't go there.
I can't go there.
I'm going to taste it.
What's going to happen?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Let's just say, for sake of argument, this might be
his last match.
He's going to the sunset Nottalking about us.
I know how you feel about RomanReigns.
What do you think the Americanswould say?
What do you rank Roman Reignsall time?
If it's a top 5, what do youthink most people would say?

Speaker 4 (52:01):
I think if people know wrestling and they know
what he's done for wrestlingBecause you look at Independent
shows, they're higher.
And that's why because RomanReigns Brought relevancy back to
the product.
He brought realism Back to theproduct.
You look at Logan Paul, youlook at LA Knight, you look at
Jimmy and Jay People finallyknow them as.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Even, even, even AEW.
Aew has benefited From WWE'sresurgence.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
And.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
I also think that's another guy.
I don't know if y'all FollowAEW too much, but I believe one
day MJF will be in WWE and he'sgoing to be a top guy too.
He's a star.
He's too big for AEW.
He does not need to be thereanymore.
Aew is great, don't get mewrong, but we've seen how Jade
transitioned.
I already knew she was going tocome to WWE.
She just is built for that.

(52:48):
Mjf will be in WWE.
Swerve Strickland will be inWWE again.
I know he was there before, buthe'll be back.
Like a lot of guys are going togo back to WWE because now
Triple H is running, jon Moxleywill be back.
It'll be a while because hejust resigned.
It'll be a while, but there'sno way they're going to pass up
doing that Shield reunion onemore time.

(53:09):
They will do it.
Even if Roman just shows up forone more match, they'll do one
more match.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
So I'm going to ask y'all, I'm going to play a
little game.
Trey, please be honest, I knowyou say you got him to go.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Let's just everything I feel like we're arguing the
wrong guy, by the way.
I feel like we're just actinglike John Cena is not in that
convo too.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
I mean John Cena said that Roman Reigns Dude he's
just has glazed Roman.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
He also once said Brock Lesnar was the GOAT before
he's glazed a lot of dudes andBrock could have been Brock just
left.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
That's an odd thing.
That's one thing I hated whenBrock Lesnar came back, this
whole suplex city, shit.
I know you're hating, you'rehating.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
That is one of the greatest things of his character
, he's ever done.
You don't like he literallyfound out the formula to do the
bare minimum and get thegreatest out of it.
Y'all right here.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
That's the whole point.
What was the allegation in here?
I have a question for you.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Is Brock Lesnar not capable of actually killing
every single guy on that roster?

Speaker 1 (54:03):
No for sure.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
That is the point of why he does one move to dominate
, because he can actually do onereal move and dominate these
guys, I'm just saying, that era.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
I'm just saying that era.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
I'm just somebody.
It was snoozefest matches.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
It's like we're back then when one brother, no, no,
no, we first come to my like.
When he came back like you seewhen he beat.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
I'm not gonna say snooze, so so sort of pops is
fake.
They did ages, they just Okay,okay, okay.
I'm a question.
We were wrestling three minutes.
No stop what.
We were wrestling three-minutematches, bro.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Talking about the Goldberg match.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Okay, I'm going to ask y'all a question.
Wait, y'all got Peacock.
I know y'all got Peacock.
Have y'all really like?
Have you said?
You know what I'm going tostart from this episode?

Speaker 3 (54:47):
I would say Trey has, but I love my brother.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Come on, come on.
I mean, he's wrong on some ofthese.
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
I said Trey has, but I ain't going to lie Like this
blinder with Roman.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Come on, let's think about it.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Name Okay, let's not act like Gunther, Like there was
a Gunther in the Attitude Era Igot to see a fight.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
I don't know I got to see a fight.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Okay, my point is dope with that.
There weren't guys going outthere having four or five star
matches, oh for sure.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I don't give a fuck about British Bulldog, you think
?

Speaker 2 (55:18):
he was doing what Gunther was doing.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
I haven't seen a fight.
I haven't seen a fight.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
No, I feel you there.
Right, eddie was great.
Dean Malenko, chris Benoit.
But they weren't doing thatevery week because they weren't
given the opportunity to do thatevery week and but they weren't
doing that every week becausethey weren't given the
opportunity to do that everyweek, and a lot of that came in
the ruthless aggression atSmackDown 6.
Stop bringing up SmackDown 6.
I get it, it was great.
Edge, that's your five.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Chris.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Oh yeah, that's my five.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Yeah, I'm with it.
That's my five too.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
I think that's like you know what.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
That's my five.
Majority americans like fivelike that's what?
Well, not in order, but because, you know why I'm gonna say
that?
Because they're not watching.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
I'm not saying that I'm not.
They watch and even then, Iactually don't think that's true
.
I actually don't think that'strue.
I think people know who romanyeah, I think people can I ask
somebody before?

Speaker 1 (56:10):
they stopped watching but heard that name before.
Yeah, so it's there and I alsothink wrestling.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
I'm going to be honest.
I think when most people Foundout wrestling was fake, they
stopped watching.
And I think yeah, when it wasscripted.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
They stopped watching Back then they was betting.
They was betting on fights.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, so like it's just kind of how it is now, you
got to ask people that are stillin like the product now.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
You can't ask people who stopped watching in 2005
because they don't watch theproduct.
What did I say?
I asked my pops.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
And he's been watching for 40 years.
He's been watching prop 40, 50years.
He's still watching it to thisday.
He told me the attitude.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Of course, because that's his nostalgia.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
No, no, no, but he keeps up with it constantly.
Honestly, he's talking about itand I think.
But he's told me the and Ithink I'll say this he thinks
the greatest group is still theFour Horsemen.
I like the Four Horsemen.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
That's fine, that's fair, but I think the best.
The group is one thing, but Ithink the best group is the NWO.
That's the best group thatwrestling's ever had.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
But I can see why you say it.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
They changed the business for everybody.
They got prostituted thoughthey got prostituted though they
got prostituted.
That's crazy.
I do think, in the future,though, the Shield will be in
that convo when they're done,because they're all going to go
off to have Insane careers.
They're already doing it.
You see it, they're the facesof wrestling right now.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Full Horseman, who was in that group again.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Rick Arn Anderson.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
They were great.
I'm not going to deny that, butI'm just saying I lost my train
of thought.
What was I even just sayingbefore I got into that?

Speaker 3 (57:41):
I just told you about my pops, so it was the Attitude
Era.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I don't think.
I think the Attitude Era isgreat.
I don't think it's the best erato really rank it yet.
It really just started off inthe 2020s.
But I think the RuthlessAggression era the 2000s, is the
best era of WWE.
That is the best.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
How is it not?
Well, I'm going to say this oh,what you're going to say, sir.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
That's the best.
We only got in the situationbecause John Cena, Ray, Newer
and Batista but that was after.
That's after, though.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Okay, what's the Ruthless Aggression era to?

Speaker 4 (58:22):
you yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
But that is not true.
Batista did not flop, he gothurt.
Yeah, all film.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
Batista flopped.
But that is not true.
Batista did not flop.
Batista had his first and hissecond title ring.
He had his first one for aminute.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
He got hurt yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
Then he came back.
He had a decent one, and what?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
happened.
He lost to Deontay King in oneof the best streak matches.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
They tried making him fake.
They tried making him, you know, and he left no time out run.
That was the best run of hiscareer.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Look, I have to be on like a kill side.
Viewership and attendance.
No, I agree.
Look, I agree that that late2000s, which that's not even the
ruthless aggression era anymore, by the way, when you're
talking about, that's not theregression era.
Ruthless aggression era is like2002 to 07, like you said, that
five-year period where they hadkurt angle, chris benoit, sean
mich Michaels, the earlierstages of John Cena, even the

(59:18):
Batista AAA storyline.
That is one of the best storiesthey've ever done.
And WrestleMania 21 did nothave any crazy stars like that.
It had stars but there was noguys from the past.
The Rock wasn't there, stoneCold wasn't there.
That's still one of the bestmanias they've ever done.
Even Bize all that, the bestmanias they've ever done.
Even Bize All that One of thebest they've ever done.
So that is, cap, what you'resaying.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
I grew up on that era and I can take the glasses off
and see.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
But what period are you talking about?
You're talking about post.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
I'm talking about 2002 to 2007.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
You didn't think that was a good era.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
It wasn't as good as the Attitude Era.
No, it was a drop off inquality.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
No, the matches got better, the stories got better.
The stories didn't get better.
Yes, they did the storiesdidn't get better.
Yes, they did the stories, okay, but actually I want to say the
stories, but the matchesdefinitely got better.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
The matches got better.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
But it's just not enough.
I think it's on pace to be thebest, but it's not enough time
it's already been.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
It's only been like what Four years?
They're not comparing it to theruthless aggression era.
They're comparing this era tothe attitude era for a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
But that's because, oh bro, I'm sorry, niggas, just
just I'm sorry y'all niggas justglazed the attitude error too
much.
I'm sorry.
The attitude error is great,but I think it's because
wrestling was at its hottest atthat time, not even just WWE.
Wcw was at its hottest.
There was competition, right,and I think it's reminiscent to
now right, because you have AEWdoing this thing.

(01:00:48):
But AEW is not real competition.
I hate to say it.
It's not Actually.
No, it is competition.
It's not competition in termsof numbers, but I think they're
motivating each other to bebetter Because, if you notice,
anytime AEW does a certain thing, wwe tries to one-up it, even
whether it's a show.
And they're also competing fortalent too.

(01:01:09):
Sasha Banks just went to AEW,okada just went to AEW.
Will Ospre Banks just went toAEW.
Okada just went to AEW.
Will Ospreay just went to AEW.
They're getting talent thereNow.
Granted, the story's not somuch.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
It was just, I think.
And another thing too it wasone of those things where you
didn't know what you was goingto get every Monday.
So, like, some of the bestmoments for me watching in that
era was when you had Mike Tysoncome and him, and Austin is in
the ring, you got the Austintype Logan Paul's better.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
He's a better celebrity cameo than him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
You know what Mike Tyson was.
He was just there to be theenforcer.
It was because Mike Tyson wasone of the biggest stars in all
the sports.
It was one of them things, sothey benefited off of that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
It's, like Logan's, one of the biggest stars in the
world.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah sure, even Bad Bunny, Bad Even.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Bad Bunny.
He is.
Bad Bunny Is a bigger star ThanMike Tyson.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
It was just, it was just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
But in 90 we got things At that time, in 97, bad
Bunny is a bigger star Than MikeTyson ever was.
That's just a fact.
Bad Bunny is a.
Let's not act like that now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Bad Bunny is a star, but he's he's my artist Versus
sport.
Come on, I get that Even then,hell no, you're tweaking dog,
you're tweaking, I'm tweakingbecause he was All.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
I do think that Donnie B up getting Mike Tyson.
They said it was impressive forthe time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yes, that's what.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
I'm saying For that time it was impressive Because
that was a risk you got toremember at that time we talking
about Don King Tyson Jail.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Like we talking at that time, it worked.
Bad Bunny is one of the 10biggest artists in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
And Tyson was one of the three biggest athletes in
the world at that time.
Even.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Don King Tyson.
You think he was a bigger starthan Bad Bunny is?

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Because y'all remember that time in 97.
This was after theHolyfield-Tyson first match.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
I can't agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Oh my god, he just bit Holyfield's ear and he's
still getting cheered at thattime there wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
no doubt he was a big star.
I'm not denying he was a bigstar, but he wasn't a bigger
star than what Bad Bunny isright now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
But you said 10.
I knew you said 10, but I willagree and say Bad Bunny's the
top five artist in the world.
I'll say five.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
You can even say top five.
I'll say five, you can even saytop five.
That's fine so but, oh my God,do you remember when Bad Bunny
came out?
You never seen it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
I didn't see it.
I knew you wouldn't agree.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
When he came out at Backlash for his entrance, that
is one of the greatest entrancesI have ever seen.
It was like a concert.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
It was a concert, okay, but did he fight anybody?

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
He did.
He had a match, he had a couplematches Banger of a match.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Banger match.
That match made Damian Priest astar.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Because they were like we trust you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
And you can deliver.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
With anybody.
Come on, that was a great match.
I know y'all going to agreewith that.
That blame Damian Priest.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
But all I'm saying is that just that wasn't my whole
point.
All I was saying.
That was a moment for me.
Another one was when Tyson cameout with you didn't know what
the fuck Austin was going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
He came out with the whole beer truck, got on top and
jumped over Like it was justthings you didn't know what you
were going to get.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
You want to say it's more of an iconic moment.
I agree it is Because, badBunny, even though that was a
great moment for you on thatMike Tyson's what happened my
phone.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I'm all good, I'm UConn.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Who's?

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
winning that game, uconn baby Shit.
So you want to learn somethingabout today's era, right?

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Yeah, tell us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
I just want to talk about the mid-card.
Let's just name mid-cards andreally see who's really stacking
.
Because you mentionedmid-carders and really see who's
really stacking, because youmentioned mid-carder but you
started with.
He's going to look at the namevalue, though you started naming
tag teams.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
They tag team on mid-carder Hardy and.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Edge.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
No Edge was a mid-carder.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
He wasn't a single-star.
He wasn't a single-star.
He wasn't single-star.
Who's my tag?

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
team number.
No, no, no, after 01,.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
he was EW, but after 01, that's not the attitude era,
that's the Ruthless Aggressionera.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Oh, okay, so we talking about tag teams.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
No Mid-card, like when we say Gunther and we say
Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn.
Right, you may not know some ofthese, I know you know these
guys.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Gunther, Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, Chad Gable.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
I'll say Jericho, I'll say Ben Jericho, and I know
you're gonna.
You're gonna look at the namesOf these guys Instead of what
they were Actually doing.
Then you gotta go Angle too,kurt.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Angle, angle, angle, I'll go.
Angle was a Angle, was he was afast riser.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
How about that?
His rookie year, he became amain eventer Basically.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
I'll go, are we?

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
throwing the tag teams too.
No, you want to say tag teams?
Yeah, I mean, well, hardy's,it's like just three of them,
what yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
You got.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Hardy's, you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
I'm saying oh my God.
No, you can say three of them,oh my God.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Nah, we can name more than three in this era.
No, no, no, but they three arethis era, though, but they're
three of like top ever, though,and then mind you.
There's another thing aboutthis era NXT.
If you throw NXT in there witha lot of stuff, it's not even
close.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
It's not even close, but you got to understand with
those three.
But we saw, are we includingthe black and gold era?
But here's the thing, though,what y'all say, but this is the
risk in doing things that justthey had to be spot, monkeys,
trey, what, what's happening.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
You say spot monkey is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
You can say spot monkey.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Mankind was a spot monkey, no no, no, trey can say
spot monkeys, but only one ofthem didn't end up being a world
champion.
What?

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
does that mean that has nothing to do with the
attitude?
No, no, no, I'm just sayinglike you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
What does that mean?
That has nothing to do with theattitude.
No, no, no, I'm just saying,like you're saying, spotbuckling
but these guys eventually wereworld champions.
Only two of them were no, no,no Only.
Oh, what you mean?
Edge and Christian, notChristian.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Edge and Matt Hart, no, Edge and Jeff In different
promotions.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
No Edge was a world champion warrant.
That wasn't a world champion.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
No, matt Hardy didn't become world champion, deepaw
wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Christian didn't become.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
In different promotions.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Man, I don't care about it I'm talking about in
WWE.
No, no, I'm talking aboutChristian, and Matt Hardy didn't
do nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
They didn't do nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
I don't care about that little easy title.
Run them niggas.
Had Ray was a.
What was the mother from?

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
come on.
Billy Ray, actually, I thinkwas good.
Billy Ray was actually good,but that I don't count that's
TNA and he got throwing numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
He got throwing DX to that.
That was part of that was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
I guess, dude, you got in the fan short ass.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Run them niggas had but this is the thing I think
see y'all like the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Why you don't like Undertaker?

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
I love Undertaker.
I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Dude the attitude.
There was not a good attitude.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
The only Undertaker I just didn't care for was from.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
He was trying to bomb Steve Austin on TV.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
The Undertaker that we love.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
From 91 to 90.
He was 38 years old, he wasgood through the years
Wrestler-wise, but as far aslike 91 to like 95, I can
understand From.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Wrestlemania 21 On.
That's when Undertaker became.
You can say that Some of hisbest matches.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
But as far as his character wise, no, his worst
stuff Comes in the attitude area.
I'm gonna say worse, thoughthat's like Not worse.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
It's not like he was horrible.
His worst matches Come fromthere.
If it was bad, he would've got.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
That's why nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
That's why nobody talks about that earlier part of
the streak, because it washorrible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
He had some bad but that was the whole point.
That's why Kane was so vital.
Kane was great, but that's thething they were saying.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
They had to keep going back to that, because
nothing else was working.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
That's the thing, the reason why Kane was so
important.
Remember him versus Sid.
That's my point.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
They were saying but that's the thing, the reason why
.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Kane was so important he came in 97.
Remember him versus Sid, right?
So that's my point.
So remember they were sayingwhat the thing was, if Kane
never came at that point itwould have been, I know right,
no, did he.
But if he didn't make anappearance at that time, that's
why they say we needed to findan opponent for Undertaker,
because he was just dominatedover everyone.
So that's why the Kanecharacter was so important for

(01:08:57):
Undertaker's career.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Yeah, I agree, because that it saved him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
It really did.
Because I'm going to tell yousomething If Kane never existed
and he would have kept beatingeverybody's ass and just beating
everybody Up until Stone Coldbecame that guy, it would have
been like well damn, that'sanother knock on the Undertaker.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
The Undertaker had a ceiling.
As much as people love him, hewas never going to become the
guy.
His character really wouldn'treally allow that.
He's not, because when you havethe guy you want to send him to
do media appearances, you wantthem to do.
This prep Undertaker was nevergoing to become that guy, that's
fine.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
But he is the best character that Vince McMahon
ever made.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Yeah yeah yeah, and he protected kayfabe a lot.
He protected kayfabe.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
He's on the first chapter, but he'll never beat
the guy.
But that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
I don't think he never wanted to.
He never wanted to beat the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Right, so that was the whole point with the whole
thing.
That's what made it to EasyPoints.
He was saying he was so greathe didn't need a title around
his waist.
I'll say he made guys, but youwant to know what's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Other than Kane.
He made guys after the AttitudeEra he did.
Randy Orton went to a new levelafter he feuded with the
Undertaker.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
What about Kane?

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Edge went to a new level after he I just said after
Edge went to a new level afterhe just said after oh, yeah,
yeah, edge went to a new leveland after a few to an undertaker
, batista went to a new level.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
Jeff.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Hardy went to a new level after he faced a undertake
.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Well, okay, that's, but that was the question.
Era Kurt Angle went to a newlevel.
After he feed up with theUndertaker, he made guys.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Well, triple H was okay, the first one yeah, the
the first, first one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
okay, that is their best match.
By the way, I actually thinkthat's their best.
The 17 match that was good.
The 27 and 28 one.
They're good.
I think the 28 one's kind ofgassed a little bit, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
I ain't gonna lie Watching that.
I really thought that was gonnabe it and I think the fans
would've been okay if that wasthe end, because Shawn Michaels.
When he got that sweet chin Isaid, that fall is crazy, but
the match is not really thatcrazy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
though it's a great match.
Though it's a good match.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
It's just kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Do you take the Usos over the Dudley boys?

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
You know he's not going to say that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
I can't sit here.
My whole thing is the Usos aregood.
And I said I think sitting here, like my whole thing is the
Usos are good, and I said Ithink they'll be one of the four
best tag teams in the attitudeera.
But like I can't really justkind of just sit there and say
it because I don't know, no,it's not even too soon.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Are the Deadlies even better than the New Day?
Oh, come on, Really no y on.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Really, dog, y'all kidding me, dog.
It's like a better tag teamthan Edge and Christian.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
You say who.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
I think they're a better tag team than Edge and
Christian.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Who Dudleys?

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
I think the only tag team I take from Attitude Era
and put in today are the Hardys.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Because they're on the girls' level, because
they're still in the girls'level.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
I think the Hardys also are timeless.
Yeah, they're timeless.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
They're still doing their thing in AEW, but other
than the ABA the Headbangers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
That's another thing you like boxing and threads.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Nah, I don't Nah those tattoos I got.
Now I take that, but that's thething.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
No, no, no.
But back to the Dudleys and theUsos.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
I can't really say nothing because, like, obviously
, fucking Usos are using theirspecial Not only that, but the
Usos are the only tag team tomain event at WrestleMania.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
And then the Dudleys.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
The only tag team.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
No, no, no, no, and you're right but you can
arguably say the Dudleys stolethe show at 17.
They did.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Stole the show Over the Rock in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Austin, that was a four-way match dog.
That doesn't even.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
You can't say the Dudleys were the only ones who
stole the best spot in the match, didn't even come with the
Dudleys.
What are you talking about?
I'm just saying like that wholetriple threat, though stole the
show.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
That was six people.
It don't matter if it was sixpeople, what I'm just saying.
It don't matter if it was sixpeople, what I'm just saying it
don't matter if it was sixpeople that do matter.
No, but you're talking aboutthey may have invented.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
And besides, another thing also.
Don't get me wrong, that was aninsane match, but let's be real
, like a lot of those spots canbe replicated today Easily.
It's just because a lot ofthose huh Wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Yeah, I wouldn't do that, but that's what I'm saying
.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
People took risks Because it was new right
Whenever you're trying to breaksomething in.
You got to push the envelope,like when the Hell in a Cell
first started.
They pushed the envelopebecause you had to establish the
structure.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
I will say this Undertaker went on record and
said that one when Mick Finleyfell through the cage.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
that was not supposed to happen.
That makes sense, and I alsothink they got better with
certain.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
I think they got better stipulations after, and I
also think they got better withcertain.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
I think they got better stipulations after.
I think the Elimination Chamberis a great stipulation.
The Money in the Bank, I think,is the best stipulation they've
ever had.
Well, maybe the Rumble, I guess, could be better, because
that's a stipulation match.
But the Money in the Bank, Ithink, has created moments that,
like man, we'll never see again.
Like the Seth Rollins, cash-inis one of the best endings to a

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WrestleMania.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
What about Edge?
You don't think so I don't knowabout Edge.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Edge's cash-in is great.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
That was a shock.
That was a shock.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Dolph Ziggler's cash-in was great.
That's, man.
Out of the loud reactions I'veheard on the TV show, when Dolph
Ziggler cashed in is one of thebest.
That was a crazy reaction.
That's reaction like that'ssomething that, like, we wanted
to yeah, everybody wanted.
And daniel bryan's cash-in wasgreat, even though that one, you
know, it came out of nowhere.
That actually came out ofnowhere, uh.

(01:14:23):
But you know, cm punk's cash-inall those cash-ins have except
the ones that people lose allthose cash-ins have been great,
you know, and those are thingsthat happen post attitude.
I think y'all, and I get it.
There was a dead period.
There was a dead period thatmid-2010s, early 20s man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
It was bad.
It's equivalent to post-GoldenEra pre-attitude.
Yeah they were getting theirass beat by WCW 1990 until 95.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
You can argue the same thing with 2010.
If Bret Hart doesn't getscrewed and he just leaves, does
the attitude error even happen?
It still happens.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
It still happens.
It just will happen in adifferent way.
How?
Because Stone Cold.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
But Vince McMahon became a heel because of that
moment, though.
Right, but it's.
How does that?
Austin's rival was VinceMcMahon, can we agree?
Hell yeah, though.
How does that?
Austin's rival was VinceMcMahon, can we agree?
Hell yeah, he doesn't have anantithesis, though, is it the
Rock?
The Rock was his villainthrough Vince McMahon, the

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corporation at first.
So how do you get to thatdestination?

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
I think it's two things that you can even add on
to what happens with Bret Hartif he doesn't leave.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
And also what happens if Shawn Michaels is healthy.
Yeah, exactly, that's anotherthing If Shawn Michaels the back
injury and some people think hefaked that, but you know,
that's that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
You know there's a wrestling match in 2000 that he
wrestled in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
While he had the back injury.
See what.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
I'm saying that's what made him want to come back,
though that's what made himwant to come back.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
It was a wrestling match in 2000 and I saw he was
wrestling in some Texaspromotion.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
So basically you're asking if Shawn Michaels was
never hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
No, not if Shawn, if the screwdriver never happened,
let's say Brett agreed to justlose.
Let's say he agreed to lose andthey just had Sean win.
If that happens and Brett justgoes to WCW and let's say Brett
doesn't even get hurt in WCW,there's a good chance.
The Attitude Era never existsand WCW just destroys them,
niggas.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
I don't think that happens.
I think Vince is a psychopaththat wouldn't accept Defeat.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Yeah, it was going to happen at some point.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
But they were losing.
And then here's the thing withthe attitude error.
I think, because Vince'sfeature is so heavily, that's
going to have an impact.
Oh yeah, that will hurt theyeah and like I use that to
compare this angle Like RomanReigns is the top heel.
He's been that consistently andhe's an actual wrestler.
So whenever I say that he'sdoing it in a position that

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nobody's ever done.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Yeah, I mean, if you had to throw in names of what
made the Attitude Air what itwas, it's Vince McMahon.
Of course, jim Ross with thecommentary because he has some
of the most iconic moments everStone Cold.
You got to throw in DX whenthey first started because that
played a part.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Yeah, that was a nightly run.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Right, and then you throw in the Rock once he.
So it's moments like that.
So a lot of times I don't thinkwe have to.
Okay, I'm going to use this asan example.
I'm a Miami Hurricane fan forfootball since I was a kid.
We all some of you are likewill the old Hurricanes ever
come back?
No, because that was a momentthat's not going to happen.

(01:17:45):
So I think sometimes inwrestling I don't think this era
has to compete with theattitude or even be better.
Like it's moments, right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
They've taken the best.
They've taken what's made itgreat.
They've taken the recipe.
They've shaved off the excess,the Ben Zaruso parts.
And now with storylines.
You actually have to payattention to this dialogue.
It's not thorough.
They're not just saying it,they're not just trying to be
funny, they're not just tryingto be cool, they're not just

(01:18:15):
trying to get a tagline.
They're saying this becauseit's going to mean something in
three months.
It's going to mean something inone year.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
They drop pants.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
That's what I really love about this era Because, as
a wrestling fan, I come in everysingle week and I know if I
paid attention last week, thisis going to pay off.
And I pay attention this week,it's going to pay off.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
And I can't.
During the attitude era, thewhole time Jerry Springer was
one of the top primetime shows.
You can get away with a lot.
Girls can splash their boobs.
They can show it on TV.
It's whatever.
It's just whatever on TV, soit's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
And bra and panty matches.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Right Bra and panty matches.
So there's a lot of thingsthat's happened on TV around
that time, what's happeningoutside of wrestling.
So I think now there are somepositives.
What I've seen in the firsthour, I fucking love the visuals
.
The visuals is top tier.
It's the whole Roman reign withthe little shit that he got.
That's, that's live.
You know I'm saying um, I likethe whole Pat McAfee edition.

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A lot of things are our cinema,but it's different times right
now.
They got it, I think.
One thing I think wrestlingcould do maybe they probably did
this already and I might bewrong is that try to hide some
of the things that could beshock value, like, oh shit, this
person's returning.
I've already seen this onTwitter.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
I feel like CM Punk was here while nobody knew he
was coming.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Even though he was here.
Some people thought there was achance.
They thought it was a chanceit's because and they did it a
smart way, right when, like,they made it look like Randy
Orton wasn't going to show upand some people were like, oh,
it's going to be CM Punk.
Then Randy Orton shows up andI'm glad Orton got his moment
too, because I was scared theywere going to boo him Because

(01:20:10):
they thought it was going to bePunk.
And then afterwards they putthe logo on everybody's okay, I
guess he's not coming out andthey hit the music, just like
that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
I feel like that was just them speculating, you know,
same with the day.
We've been speculating for nineyears now.
It's just they were finallyright, you know.
Yeah, he was finally comingback this time and also, I think
cm punk him even coming backbecause he he had the podcast
and then he spoke about theculture being a big toxic, like.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Toxic you don't have people getting bullied.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
You don't have major drug use.
Everybody's there because theyhave fun wrestling and I think
the Attitude Era.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
it was obvious that they were having fun while they
were out there entertaining us,but they were also doing some
fucked up shit though, yeah, butthey were having fun doing it
the same way they're having funnow.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
I'm talking about the hazing.
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
The hazing was crazy.
I'd be hearing some of thehazing stories.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Oh, yeah, Bob Holly boo JBO.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Even like when the Miz talks and I know that was
later on, but when the Miz talksabout how like he got bullied
and he had to eat food andchange in, like the public
bathrooms Dog, that is so meanit was a different time back
then.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
That was that era, and Roman and I actually, like
that Roman did something,because I remember you remember
Malachi Black, what's his name?
Alistair Black?
When he was in WWE.
He told a story about how, likewhen he was in Japan, he would
pick up like trash in the lockerroom after every show in his
first year.
And he was doing that in WWE.
When he got to the main rosterand rowan pulled him.

(01:21:35):
So I was like dude, you've beenwrestling for like a long time,
you do not need to be doing this, you know?
Like just chill, just justrelax, you know.
But back then, like that washow things were.
Like I remember mark henry whenhe talked about, uh, how leo
rush didn't want to pick up,give water bottles to people
when they came backstage, right,which I wouldn't do that shit.
I'm not even gonna lie to you,I don't care if I'm a new guy,

(01:21:56):
whatever, I don't care what therituals are, I'm not doing that
shit.
And Mark Henry was like, oh,the Rock used to do it, stone
Cold used to do it Do you thinkyou're bigger than the Rock?
But like that's the mentalitythey had back.
That was just how things were.
He's just following the culturethat was there before, but
nowadays it's a lot more free.

(01:22:17):
It's a lot more, and maybe youcould say it's too free.
It's more opinionated.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
And also you could maybe say cancel.
Culture has kind of dimmed downa lot of things they can do.
But with that it's more like,like you said, it's free, and
also you've got stars that'scoming in.
Louis Paul ain't putting it onour damn threshold yeah.
You and then, like Logan Paul,ain't gonna get a little damn
thrash, yeah, yeah, there's noway.
You know.
There's guys that just whenthey sign like their head and
shoulders are already above.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Yeah, logan's had like.
I can count how many matcheshe's had on like one hand or two
, and he's already the USchampion, so it's like I feel
like they just know better.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
Now it's like WWE superstars they've had rocks,
they've had austere comes andthey set the status quo.
I feel like wrestlers stillmight do the water thing, but
it's not always like an egothing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
And to be honest, I will say this too Even though I
say I wouldn't do the waterthing, it doesn't sound like it
is the worst thing, Not evenlike the picking up bags holding
people's bags.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
that's ridiculous oh, that was in all sports too.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Yeah, that's crazy but I will say, sometimes you do
kind of have to just justhumble yourself a little bit,
you know, because at the end ofthe day not the bag stuff, uh,
but certain other things, youknow.
Whatever it is, it may be, ifit's something minor, then like
I wouldn't trip too much, justdepending on what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
One thing I like about today's era, too, is that
Triple H has more on his task.
And then every title, even thewomen's tag title, which is
fairly new.
They're still trying theirhardest, their damn hardest, to
build these women's tag teams up, and that's something that I
have to say, it's not there yet,though the women's tag titles,
and that's something that I have.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
It's not there yet, though it's still with his tag
titles.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
It's like two years old.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Damn, it's really that low that short, I was
thinking it was a little longer.
It feels like it's been aroundfor a minute too.
And you know something elsealso I like that they have the
PC, they have NXT, they have aplace where people can develop,
because I think that's somethingthat like, for example, I mean
man Goldberg right, goldbergcould have used a PC, because

(01:24:20):
the way I never even noticed howdangerous he was, oh yeah, he
was so dangerous.
You know, guys like Goldberg,even like and there's a couple
of guys that weren't like thesafest or the best in like
Ultimate Warrior was not a greatin-ring wrestler, not great.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
That's a long time ago.
Big Show really wasn't gooduntil 2003 either.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Yeah, big Show he was lazy, but also Big Show was a
better athlete back then so hecould do certain moves like he
was doing elbow.
He was doing elbow, drops youknow like.
Big Show could do some, but in.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
If they did have NXT, it was much needed and that was
like their See.
Back then it was like Heatvelocity, but it was like it
wasn't like developmental, itwas guys that couldn't make the
main, no, but like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
OBW Was supposed to be their thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They had things like.
Even later on they made likeFCW.
They've always had things yeah,roman came from there, seth
came from there, they had thingslike that.
But like NXT is a better, Ithink, product because it puts
you on national TV.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
They're on USA.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
They cut promos, they have stories continuously.
They'll have guys from the mainroster come up, like I miss
when they had NXT on SurvivorSeries.
Yo, we're going to kind of tryto wrap it up.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
But I'm going to wrap it up with some rapid fire.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
What's up?
Uh-oh, okay, we should begetting questions.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Probably.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
First one who needs this match more, Cody or Roman?
I think Cody needs to win it,but I think WWE really needs to
think long-term in the mirrorand really consider it.
If Roman Reigns, losing is thewise choice.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
I'm going to say as a casual, just looking from the
outside in who needs it.
I would say Cody yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
I agree.
I think Cody needs it because,at the end of the day, he's the
one trying to finish the story.
Roman will be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
I know he's your boy but he'll be fine.
Shit.
Honestly, the fans need it shit.
Honestly, I see the fans.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
I want a question for both of y'all.
I'm going to let you guysrespect me and Akil respect me.
Give me five of your modern dayguys.
Akil, give me five attitudeguys.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Five best or my five favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Five best.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Ooh, five best.
When you say modern.
What year?
Post this year?
Okay, post-covid, post-covid,okay, okay.
I would say obviously Roman.
I would say, ooh, this is tough.
I say Cody, roman, I'm not toobig of a fan.
I'm a fan but I'm not too big.
But I got to respect SethRollins.

(01:26:56):
He's up there.
Damn, that's when it gets tough.
After Seth, let me throw twofemales in there.
Let me throw two femalesbecause I got to respect what
they're doing.
I say Rhea and I'd say let mesay Bianca.
I say Rhea and Bianca.
Those are the five.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
I really don't differ much, I have to say the people
who entertain me the most thispast year.
I have to say Roman Reigns, ofcourse, the Tribal Chief.
I say Bianca Belair, I say RheaRipley.
I'm very high on this guy.
I think Trick Williams is onpace for great things within WWE
WB, and then so I run this off.

(01:27:39):
I like say Cody Rose, like thislisten, it isn't in any set
honorable mission.
Would be Dominic who said noteven the honorable.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Oh actually, I'm sorry, I got a replace set with
Gunther.
I didn't even think about that.
I got gotta man Seth.
He's just falling out ofeverybody's list.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
It's just like I like Seth whenever he's a regular
human Like this.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
This cackling bullshit that he's doing.
It's not.
It Like.

Speaker 4 (01:28:06):
Seth Rollins trying to be Heath Ledger's Joker.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
It's cool, but I think he's a better heel than
Babyface I feel like this SethRollins would have fit perfectly
in the Attitude Era.
I can see that.
I feel, like this Seth Rollinshey, he would look, he'd be like
.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Y2J from back then how he came out.
He'd be like Y2J.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Yeah, he'd be like Y2J.
I agree he's the modern day.
Sounds crazy.
I think he's the modern day,shawn Michaels, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Yeah, I do See.
I would've thrown ShawnMichaels Cause he God, but I'm
gonna go Rock Stone Cold Taker.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Wow you're not gonna play Shawn Michaels, but he
missed four years.
He missed four years, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
That 97-01.
He didn't really.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
He got hurt so.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
I'm putting him.
Put him in that before, eventhough he was part of it a
little bit, but not really.
Rock Stone Cold Taker.
I fucking hated Triple H, sowe're going with my favorite.
I'm not going to throw him inthat motherfucker, I'm going to
throw him in Hardy Boys.
That's two.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
That's two right there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
So we're going to do that.
Yeah, a lot of it.
Ah, fuck that.
Okay I'm.
I still want to throw in ChrisJericho at my favorite, who gets
the fifth so we do Rock Taker.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Stone Cold Jericho, jericho who gets that fifth spot
, fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Unfortunately, I'm going to have to throw in Cock,
even though he's a hot guy, youput Undertaker in there.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
For that era.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
You must love the Undertaker, because I still,
because, as a kid too, I justlove the badass character too.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
No, no, no the thing about it is you gotta like as
much as Undertaker didn't winthe world title, like he was
always a contender, like youknow, at the end of the day,
it's not that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
The nigga.
Nigga had shit matches dog.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
No, no, no, but it's not about that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
But then we're watching matches, aren't we?
Well, if I did that, I got.
You said you like 17?
I like 17.
I mean 17,.
Don't get me wrong, Undertaker.
I'm not saying he couldn't havegood matches.
He could.
But, Undertaker, I don't knowwhat it was, but he had such a
resurgence that second half.
It was insane.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
No, he was a better wrestler.
No doubt even his character wasmore realistic it was never
realistic.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
But the American Badass was a more realistic.
It was a better character thanthe dead the gothic dead man.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
So which area are you talking about with that?
Because, remember, you haddifferent parts of Taika he
talked about Undertaker 06 likewhen he did the American Badass.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
When he did the American Badass.
Gimmick, like when he wasfacing Shawn Michaels and even
when he brought the dead manback in WrestleMania 20.
Yeah, 04.
That was a better version ofthe dead man gimmick than like
that Attitude Era shit when hewas the Acolytes and he was
fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Corporate Ministry.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
That was trash dog.
I'm sorry, like that was bad.
Oh my God, that storyline isone of the worst that I know.
When he kidnapped Stephanie.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
And, oh my god, I'm the.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Stone Cold Wrestling for the services of Denver.
Don't do that.
No, they took that out.
They exit that out.
They took it out.
They took it out.
No, no, no, they took it out.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
We are not disrespecting 17, dog.
No, sir, we are not we are not.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
We are not disrespecting 17, dog.
Oh no, we are not, I'm notgoing to lie, 39.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
39.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Don't you say it, 39 is up there.
No, I'm going to tell you this.
Okay, I'm going to tell you Idon't know about 38, because we
can't.
I'm going to tell you aboutthat main event, kind of let me
down.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Well, I'm going to say this I don't know I'm going
to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
I was roaming in Brock, right?
You like that match?

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Okay, I don't know about that, one of the rest of
the meetings that I really like.
I like 19, kurt Angle and Brock.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Lesnar yeah, yeah, that's the last Stone Cold match
, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
Shawn Michaels Faced Jericho Booker T, even though
Guy Booker T and Triple.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
H.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
That was horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
And then you got.
I remember WrestleMania 17 hadthe greatest promo Limp Bizkit
my way.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
That's why it's High club though, bro, like that
little Three minute clip.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
What the but even then, if we're talking about
moments, even look atWrestlemania 30.
Wrestlemania 30 had arguablythe best Wrestlemania.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Whether you hate it or not.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
The streak ending is one of the most Shocking moments
I have ever seen.
I hated that too.
I didn't like it.
I hated that shit.
We didn't watch it.
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
I hated that shit.
We didn't watch it.
I couldn't believe it.
I actually couldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
I was like they gotta restart the match.
It made me something happen.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
I was like I couldn't believe it.
That I know.
I remember.
I remember Shawn Michaelstalked about it.
He was like he said he Cause.
Remember he trained DanielBryan.
He said as soon as he saw thestreaker burger, he left.
Remember he trained DanielBryan.
He said as soon as he saw thestreet get broken, he left.
He was like I can't believe.
Y'all made me job to this guytwice and y'all just make y'all
gonna end the street to Brock.
Yeah, that was stupid.
No, it was the wrong decision,but they made the most out of it

(01:33:06):
Because Brock went on like amonster.
Brock he did, he went on amonster run.
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
So we didn't watch it live.
We was coming from San Antonioand my nephew called me and he
was like yo, taker just lost.
I said what?
Yeah, taker just lost to.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
Brock, I said hell no , hell no.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
Man, dog, I swear to God on social media.
Dog.
When I got home I said dog,this dude just broke the street.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
It's crazy because even on Raw the next night I was
like maybe they're going tofind a way to reverse this.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
They have to fix this .
Y'all remember the callreaction when they put the one
up there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
People were like, oh, and it's wild, because before
they put the one, everybody waslike, okay, maybe they fucked up
.
They're going to have torestart the match.
The black guy in front yeah,and I remember Justin Roberts,
the announcer.
He said he usually gets a cueto announce everything and the
ref, because the ref is not cuedin on the finishes sometimes.

(01:34:08):
So imagine you're the ref.
You've called for the bell,they don't say anything.
You're like oh my God, did Ijust fuck up the count?
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
They don't say anything.
You're like, oh my God, Did Ijust fuck up the count?
Yeah, Did I just ruin thegreatest thing they've had?
So I always think, dude, dideverybody know that was going to
happen?
I feel like some people didn'tknow.
I think that was probablytalked to.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
Obviously Brock and Taker knew.
Yeah them two knew, becauseTaker didn't want to break the
streak.
Brock didn't even want to breakthe streak.
But Brent was just like Vincethought he was going to retire.
He thought it was over and heshould have retired after that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:36):
Damn.
Check out who's anotherbreast-feeding match after that
he did to.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Brock to Roman.
Stop it, stop it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
Oh, stop it.
That was a bad match.
If you know that was a badmatch, oh yeah, but I honestly
feel like the Undertaker.
Let Roman Reigns down.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
He did, he did that match.

Speaker 4 (01:34:51):
he let him have been the person to be the one he
shouldn't have been, the two hehe should have.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
But the thing is if he was gonna break the streak,
that's when he needed to do thetravel.

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
Yeah, because roman should have turned heel years
ago now, granted, I'm glad hedid it when he did, because
everything just kind of cametogether, yeah, but like man
dude, like after he broke, afterhe beat undertaker and he came
out and he got those monsterboos for like 10 minutes
straight that should have beenthe moment where, like just turn

(01:35:21):
this nigga, and like the A&Especial last night, he ended up
saying that that was the momenthe figured it out, but Vince
just kept booking him with, likethe dog food angle.
Oh my God, bro, that was so bad.
So to run out of the top five.
Who was your fifth?
Wait, who's your fifth?

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Yeah, so it was Rock Taker, stone Cold, jericho and H
.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Triple H Okay, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
Why do you rank Jericho so?

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
highly, it's my favorite, just my favorite.
Oh, your favorites.
Yeah, it's my favorite Becauseif me I thought about Kane, kane
was like close, because I didlike Kane the character.
But Wachoo, I like them too.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
I think Kane's best year, or at least run was kind
of like that 0-1.
Was it 0-1 or 0-2?
When he took the mask?

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
off.
He was dying 0-3.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
And then Triple H buried him, but still yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
Triple H should have lost.
I ain't going to sit here andlaugh, that run was.
Unhinged Kane dog when he shecame out with the chain.
You can argue that that'sbetter than because, of course,
97-98 but because you know from99-01 was cool.
He was getting comical when hecame in with that unhinged cane,

(01:36:25):
when he fucking leaned up.
He did that and I thought hereally burned JR.
I couldn't watch that.
I thought he was dead when Isaw him when I was a kid.
I thought he was dead bro, thatwas a resurgence right there.
That I Yo.

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
Hell yeah, and he was Kane was jacked.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
He was jacked up.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
He was jacked.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
That my god Was.
Yeah, that was one of the bestCharacter resurgence yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
Only thing I hated about Kane was was one of the
best character researches.
Kane could really give you asolid 15 minutes too, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Only thing I hated about Kane was some of his
promos were kind of whack.
He would talk this, and I knowhe tried because they gave him
bad material to work with.
I get it, though.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
That character really literally saved him.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
I think my last question is closing statements
to defend you guys' respectiveeras and that's how we're going
to end it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Our era has Roman Reigns and your era doesn't
buddy.
It's just that simple.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
You look at stock price, you look at deals, you
look at brand deals.
You look at production value.
You look at stock price, youlook at deals, you look at brand
deals, you look at productionvalue, you look at everything.
We have the most dominant WWEchampion.
We have the most dominantIntercontinental champion.
We have some of the beststorylines.
We have a healthy culture.
It's a great time to be awrestling fan.

(01:37:55):
On all aspects, I feel like theAttitude Era was great.
Hold on, I said make theclosing statements on your air.
You don't have to put downAttitude Era.
No, no, no, he's cooking.
Let him cook.
It was a great four-year run,four-year run.
The thing with the Attitude Erait was it was popcorn, and you
know the thing about popcornpops fast, but you can't leave

(01:38:17):
it there, so so before you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Get to the look at him before you get there before
you muddled before before you,before you get to your statement
.
I do have a question for bothof y'all, though, because I
think I heard this at home onthe CBB show when did you
believe this era started?
Because a lot of people can saythey date back to Cody Rhodes
coming back and say this is whenthis era kind of took off For
you two.

(01:38:41):
When did this era start?

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
I would say, when Roman came back 2020?

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
2020.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Because that's also when Bianca started her run.
That's when Rhea was kind offloundering for a little bit.
It was when the Judgment Daycame about, but then Edge came
back and won the Rumble and thenhe had another run.
He had some of his bettermatches, I think with Seth
Rollins.
That was a great feud.
The first match I didn't reallylike.

(01:39:10):
That match was really really,really, really long.

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
That was like a 45-minute match, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
But that second match they had was really good.
I liked that match.
A lot of things started takingoff.
The Uso's the bloodline storythat kind of is like the when it
started, because J Uso came Putthat shit to the camera.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
What does that even mean?
What Does the Attitude Eraexist without the Golden?

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
Era.
So is the Attitude Era thatshit to the camera, because that
is fucking true.
What does that even mean?
That's like.
What that's like saying doesthe Attitude Era exist without
the Golden Era?
So is the Attitude Era worsethan the Golden Era?

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
Well, I'm going to tell you the difference between
the Attitude Era fans and theGolden Era fans.
We didn't shit on the GoldenEra.
We appreciated Andre the Giant,hulk Hogan, macho man I hear
y'all trying to shit on us, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
You started this by talking down on our generation,
but you know what's funny?

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
When he said closing statements, I was going to take
the respect of Rob.
I was going to be the biggerman.
You know what I was going tosay.
This is my closing statement.
This is what I was originallygoing to say.
After today, after watching thefirst hour, I see why I love
this era, because if I look andI started paying more attention,
I would be like, okay, I couldwatch.

(01:40:19):
I like the visuals, I like someof the wrestlers, the athletic
Yada, yada.
I was going to take the highroad and be like you know what
After today, no more slanderthis current era, because I see
why I like it.
But now I heard the road y'alltook and I'm going to still say
they're going to agree.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
We put this on TikTok YouTube.
They're going to agree with me,obviously.
In 2001, WBF reported $186million.
In 2002, that went down to $50million.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
But, trey, I would say this I get the numbers and
I'm a biggest numbers guy asanybody else, but we're talking
about 2001 and 2000 and almost24.
It is different resources, adifferent source.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
It's the wrestling business, but it's the wrestling
business.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
No no, no, it's the wrestling business.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
The net profit, even compared to the era, is still
better now.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Yeah, no, of course it's better now Because, like I
said, it's more and wrestlinghas become more worldwide.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
Yeah but that's the whole goal.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
If you're a businessman, though, but at that
point, though, roman is a partof that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
Oh shit it is Come on , bro.
You've been glazing the Rockthis whole time.
We didn't ask for him back.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
You don't even have to go to Roman man.
They went to London and LAKnight was one of the biggest
stars in the city.
La Knight they went across thecountry, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Midfarter, by the way .
Watch who they was big whenthey went to Germany back then.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
One time, multiple times, multiple times, so they
were running stadium shows inGermany.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
I'm polite, this Remember how I talked about how
Rasmus sells out.
They Remember how I talkedabout how Rasmus sells out.
They've been selling out sinceRasmus 2-3.
I'm going to tell you somethingright now.
Let them put that Rasmus 17rock stone quote in SoFi Stadium
.
Y'all think it's going to do$150,000?
, $160,000?

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
Y'all think it's going to sell out.
Hell, yeah, it'll sell out Peakrock, no one's denying that.
But we're saying selling outstadiums overseas A show.
They did that back then.
Come on now Resurrection.
They did that back then.
Stadium overseas yes, they did.
That's not the same.
So they did.
We're talking about 60,000.
They just did 60K with RheaRipley in the main event of

(01:42:24):
Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
So I got a question Y'all don't think Attitude
Horror wrestlers could sell outnow we don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
Yeah, come on, there's four of them that I'd
say you could bring them in andthey'd sell now.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
And we're not just talking about the we just gave
you, tell me, a female thatcould do that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
That could do what.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
That could sell out a 60K arena.
They can't.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
At that time.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
They can't Anytime, not a single what.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Chyna, fuck Chyna.
No, she can't, no, she can't,and I'm going to be honest with
you, bro.
Chyna was a good wrestler forthat time period, but today
she'd be another.
She was still competing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
Oh no, she was still competing.
They gave her two minutes atWrestleMania 17.

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
What are you saying, bro?
I don't give a fuck.
I agree, it's good they gaveher two minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Well, I mean I ain't lying, but did it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Rhea just pulled a great match out of Nia Jax is
not that good.
Not that good, let's not.
You know what Nia Jax is?
She's injuring niggas.
I told y'all the wrestlers forwomen I'm just speaking on.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
But if that's just the women, and they're selling
out Stadiums off of them.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
But they were selling them stadiums back then too.
The stadiums are bigger now.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Not overseas, why they?

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
Besides Kane, what's the best attitude in our story?

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Besides the cane yeah , I remember the.
I mean you still got the rock.

Speaker 3 (01:43:37):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
They got rock triple H.
Rock triple H, the back leg.
I mean you got it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
Austin, rock and triple H.
Those are the things.
Yeah, why is it okay?
Can you tell?

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
me, you still have the.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Okay, tell me great stories that don't include the
Rock Triple H Undertaker andKane.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
I just told you the mid-cards what you had with.
You still got the TLC era withthem boys.
You still got the Jericho.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Angle and B-Wall no but, they had multiple no they
had more than one.
But the stories?
What were the stories doing?

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
You still had Jericho Angle and B-Wall.
You still had that storylinewith them three when Kurt Angle
still came in.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
So that compares to the stories Gunther's been
telling with Sheamus and Sammy.

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
Gunther Sheamus Sammy the.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Chad Gable story that I'm sure is going to finish at
some point.
I think Chad will be the guy tobeat him.
He should be the guy to beathim.
I don't know how you feel aboutthat.
I think he should be the guy tobeat him.
You also got the Uso story.
There's no tag team storycomparable to the Bloodline
story, right, I do like theBloodline story, yeah, and I'm
talking like when the Uso islost.
Then also, you got what Jay didwith Roman.

(01:44:44):
All of Roman's stories, reallyright.
You got his story with Cena,his story with Brock, his story
with Jay, his story with Drew.
Come on now.
And a lot of these stories theycan go back to.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
But you got to understand too.
It's stories not as You're luckyCM Punk got hurt because that
story was Seth, so yeah, so it'sstories that we're living in
the moment now.
But you got to put ourselves inthe shoes that we was living,
that we was old enough back thento understand the mid-call
stories and be like it's solid,yeah, you know what I'm saying.
So that's you know.
It's just different, of coursewe're going to name 10.

(01:45:16):
If we was back in that time,live in the moment, we'd be like
, oh, this story with thisperson, it's different.

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
It's going to hit different.
I mean, I was listening to themback then.
It's like you know things are,and then again I'm not saying
the attitude era was bad.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
Oh Lord, you, just Y'all, do be gassing some of
like.
Roman Reigns better than Stone.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
Cold Fuck.
Yeah, I said that shit.
I'm not saying that, I'm notsaying that.
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
He's selling more merchandise.
He's not even fighting.
He's better bro, it's okay.
Okay, I got a question.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
I got a question why is Stone Cold still selling out
merchandise more than RomanReigns is better.
He's a better champion, he's abetter.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
I don't even think that's a fair argument, because
one Roman is a heel, he's goingto get less merch, and that's
just kind of how that works.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
And two Roman, also, like Stone Cold, was a heel too,
I think the best.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Okay, stone Cold was not a heel.
No, he was supposed to be aheel but the crowd was just that
great.
That's what I'm saying it's noteven just that.
I think the best barometer tocompare that would be because
John Cena is still top five.
I think the best barometerwould be if Roman was gone for
years and you could see how itreflects.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
I looked up 2023.
It was Punk Stone Cold, jey,uso.
Who's the girl?
Rhea, rhea and Uso.
Who's the girl?
Rhea, rhea and then Roman.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
Those are the five.
He's top five.
It's got to be a $5 billiondeal.
Fox Sports gave them a billionfor.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
SmackDown for Roman.
I will say this era is morecleaned up than the Attitude Era
because, like I said, in thatera it was a lot of risk, a lot
of things.
I mean some people died.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
I mean Owen Hart passed away, but who came back
during the Attitude Era, thoughPeople want to be a part of
Roman Reigns' story.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
People are like they do the Rock.
The Rock came back for him.
He came back.
He did no, no, no.
And Roman's elevated.
You gotta realize.
Them motherfuckers From fuckingWCW Were sitting at home
collecting the check UntilFebruary we didn't even address
this part and I want to gety'all's input, cause y'all can

(01:47:28):
compare this.
I know you're gonna glaze yourera, but let's be honest, wwe is
deeper, with more talented guysthat don't even get on TV too
much or they're not even usedthat well.
Austin Theory can do thingsthat a lot of those mid-carders
back then cannot do.
Ricochet can do things.
If you put Ricochet back thenin that cruiserweight era, oh my

(01:47:49):
God, come on now.
Or let's even keep going.
You got Grayson Waller, you gotall these mid-carders that are
barely even used that much.
But Pete Dunne, tyler Batethese guys can all do things
that a lot of the mid-cardersback then, like Big Boss man,
cannot do.
Kamala he low-barred Big Bossman had a WrestleMania match

(01:48:11):
against the Undertaker Hell in acell man.
A bad one, A very, very bad one.
That's another attitude there.
A match Y'all don't talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
So y'all trying to say there's better matches.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
What you telling me?
There are better matches.
A guy that rates matches.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Never gave a five star match In how long Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
Dave Meltzer.
He's never even given KurtAngle a five star match.
Who cares about what he?

Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
thinks Okay, he's only one, there's hundreds of
thousands.
Has had better matches thanStone Cold and the Rock combined
.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
I am done After tonight.
We are done talking wrestling.
I will watch wrestling withy'all.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
I don't know if I can go there, please.
That's the outro.

Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
Roman Reigns vs Don Cena.
Roman Reigns vs Brock Lesnar atSummerSlam.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
Roman's had a great match.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
This mic is that's not a bad take, though that's
not a bad take.
Combined is a little crazy, butRoman's had great matches.

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