Recovery Rocks

Laura Silverman, cartographer and creator of Zero Proof Nation, a global map of non-alcoholic bars and bottle shops, joins Tawny and Lisa for a stroll down memory lane. They talk about the non-alcoholic drink movement and how far it has come in the last seven years. 

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After seven years and nearly 300 episodes, Tawny and Lisa are saying goodbye to Recovery Rocks. But they’re not going anywhere! Lisa will still be in this podcast feed with a new show, Sober Living, along with OG recovery queen Anna David. And Tawny will be everywhere with her non-al spirit, (parentheses), writing classes and coaching, and a new book in the works! They look back on the show and look forward into the future...

Tawny and Lisa interview Jill Sirianni, co-host of the podcast Frugal Friends, which aims to change how we think about frugality. It does not mean being cheap. Frugal living intersects with minimalism, simple living and sustainability. Many of us have financial stress, often left over from when we abused substances. They talk about how practicing curiosity around finances can help identify priorities in developing a plan.

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Tawny and Lisa talk to Art Alexakis, frontman for Everclear, one of the defining bands of the 1990s, still going strong. Art has almost 35 years of recovery, living very much one day at a time. They talk about recovery and Art’s writing process, including the iconic song, “Father of Mine.” They also discuss what it takes to know when you’re done with drugs and alcohol, to ask for help, and to live in humility and gratitude...

Tawny and Lisa talk about Tawny’s recent Beyond Liquid Courage newsletter, "People Pleasing is Over."  She learned through years of recovery and therapy that her people-pleasing is tied to her codependency. Lisa learned in early recovery that if she didn’t stop always trying to please others, she wasn’t going to be able to stay sober. People pleasing is more nuanced than just doing something for a loved one because you wan...

Tawny and Lisa talk about addiction as a family disease. Whether it’s with your birth family or your chosen family (or both!), healing individually and as unit can break cycles of addiction and unhealthy behaviors. They both talk about their experiences with their families and how it’s an imperfect journey that never really ends.

Music Minute features Sister Sledge, Everclear, The Killers and Billie Eilish.

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Tawny and Lisa talk with Ted Mandell, Associate Teaching Professor at the University of Notre Dame’s Department of Film, Television, and Theatre. Tawny has been a guest speaker for Ted’s class, “Drunk on Film: The Psychology of Storytelling with Alcohol and its Effects on Alcohol Consumption.” They talk about the reasons kids drink more when they get to college, the persistence of the excessive drinking culture, and ways t...

Tawny and Lisa talk with Hilary Sheinbaum about her new workbook, GOING DRY: A Practical Guide to Drinking Less and Living More. The workbook takes readers through all phases of a sober or sober-curious journey, ranging from assessing your relationship with drinking to setting realistic expectations to discovering new experiences that bring you joy without booze. 

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Tawny and Lisa talk with Lindsay Sutherland Boal, a coach, advocate, and the founder of both The Uncovery App and She Walks Canada, which support women overcoming problematic relationships with alcohol. They chat about gray-area drinking and the concept of “rock enough,” the acknowledgement that you don’t need a “rock bottom” crisis to quit drinking. The Uncovery App is dedicated to the pursuit of alcohol-free living throu...

Tawny and Lisa are taking a summer break from the podcast, but encore episodes will air until they’re back in September. They talk about how it feels to pause and what they’ll be doing. It’s an opportunity for play and a chance to reset and reflect. But giving themselves time off brings up different emotions for both of them. They go deep on their feelings about routines, financial insecurity, and perfection.

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City girls love nature, too! Tawny and Lisa talk about the role it plays in their recoveries. Spending time in nature is linked to both cognitive benefits and improvements in mood, mental health and emotional well-being. But you can also bring nature into the home with herbs, plants, flowers or anything that connects with you. And nature is not just the mountains or the ocean – it can be anywhere you feel connected, like a...

Tawny and Lisa talk about the power of being with people in person, including on their recent travels. What’s different when we’re off the screens? How do we motivate ourselves when it feels easier to just stay home? Can we find the flexibility to pick up the phone when it’s not on the calendar? And how do we manage our energy budgets when sometimes the juice just isn’t there? Hint: Phone a friend!

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Chris Marshall, founder of Sans Bar, the first non-alcoholic bar in North America, wrote a book! Faster Than Light covers Chris’ journey, shaped by early childhood trauma, from being a young Black man in an affluent Texas suburb to rising as a leader in the recovery community. He talks with Tawny and Lisa about the writing process and entrepreneurism. Then they dig into Sans Bar, Sans Bar Academy, and Chris’ role in sparki...

Tiffany Jenkins, the bestselling author of High Achiever, is here! She’s out with a new can’t-put-it-down memoir, A Clean Mess. It chronicles her life after addiction—the raw, the dark, and the hilarious—from setting out with nothing but a backpack to discovering her marriage was built on a shakier foundation than she’d ever imagined to staying sober when life fell apart. She talks with Tawny and Lisa about asking for help...

Tawny spent a week teaching a writing course in Dublin, followed by a long weekend pursuing Parisian pleasure. She talks about the impact of her trip, both on her recovery and her art. With the pressure off, she immersed herself in being present on the trip, and new ideas emerged. Tawny’s carrying the vibe of the trip into her everyday now, including redesigning her office to reflect how she feels on the inside. They also ...

Tawny and Lisa talk with Carl Erik Fisher, an addiction physician, bioethicist, person in recovery, and author of The Urge: Our History of Addiction. Carl recently wrote a powerful essay, The Price We Pay Betting on Sports, for The New York Times. They talk about sports betting, how it’s changed with 24/7 online availability and cultural normalization, as well as the associated risks and ways to address them.

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What a dangerous time we live in when the President personally attacks artists for speaking against America’s current fascist regime. The Boss (Bruce Springsteen) spoke truth to power at a recent London show while Taylor Swift weathered another round of the President’s weird obsession with her. Tawny and Lisa talk about why they love both artists and how their music has impacted their recoveries. They discuss everything fr...

Tawny and Lisa talk about all things sober summer. Going on vacation or to parties where there will be booze and maybe pressure to drink? They’ve got you covered. Staying home without plans? They’ve got you covered, too. They share tips, tools, and options to make the most of the sunny season.

Music Minute features Sublime, Lana Del Ray, Dirty Head. Bananarama and Talking Heads

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Tawny and Lisa are both experiencing new challenges in their work due to the fascist administration. It’s gotten much harder for Tawny to do her many jobs (working with a non-profit, academic public speaking, writing) under MAGA 2.0. Lisa shares some recent changes in the legal field and how she’s choosing to be on the right side of history. They also discuss how this new list of “banned words” impacts science, research, a...