July 26, 2025 • 36 mins
During our conversation, Sasha Carrion debunks common myths about hypnotherapy, explaining that it's nothing like the entertainment hypnosis you've seen in Vegas shows. Real clinical hypnotherapy is a powerful therapeutic tool that gives you access to that mental "hard drive" where limiting programming can be replaced with empowering beliefs. And contrary to popular fear, you always maintain free will. Your mind simply rejects any suggestions that don't align with your values.
Ready to reclaim ownership of your mind's full potential? Listen now to discover how reprogramming your subconscious beliefs might be the key to breaking free from patterns that no longer serve you.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Redesigning Life.
I'm your host, sabrina Soto,and this is the space where we
have honest conversations aboutpersonal growth, mindset shifts
and creating a life that feelstruly aligned.
In each episode, I'll talk toexperts in their fields who
share their insights to help youstep into your higher self.
Let's redesign your life fromthe inside out.
Welcome to Redesigning Life.
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I am so excited about thisepisode because I have Sasha
Carrion here with me and she isa hypnotist and works with the
subconscious, and if you'velistened to my podcast for any
time, you know how important, Ibelieve, our subconscious
beliefs are and how they reallysort of mold our lives and what
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we attract and what we don'tattract.
So, sasha, I'm so excited toget deep into this conversation.
Thank you so much for takingthe time and talking to me today
, Sabrina.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I am so happy to be here with you today.
I think this is absolutelyawesome, that you're really
giving people the opportunity tounderstand what hypnosis, in
the form of hypnotherapy, can dofor them.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So I think when people think of hypnotists or
even hypnotherapy, they thinkit's always some sort of show,
like some magic trick.
You know, when you see thehypnotist on stage and they make
you bark like a dog.
Obviously that is a part of howpeople do it, but it's such a
very powerful tool in therapyand changing your thoughts.
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How did you get into this?
I know you've been doing it for17 years, but how did this all
start for?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
you, by the way.
The funny thing is I totallybelieved that myself and I was a
total skeptic.
People are always in shock whenI tell them that by nature I am
a doubting Thomas.
But I did it and I do this fora living, because I have seen
the difference in my life andthis stuff works.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Tell me, all of the 17 years, what have you seen?
How have you transformed someof your clients in all of the
years you've been doing thiswith hypnotherapy?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
that had them self-sabotaging themselves.
I've helped people to eliminateanxiety, fears and phobias, to
boost their self-confidence, toget control of their eating
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habits, to lose weight, to quitsmoking, to stop biting nails,
all manner of things.
I've even helped people withphysical of things.
I've even helped people withphysical issues.
So, for example, I had a kidclient who came in and he had
been in a horrible accidentwhere he had had to have four to
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five surgeries and he had beentold that the chances of him
walking again were next to nil.
He came in he was alreadythinking suicidal thoughts
because he was so depressed andwhen I asked him, well, how can
I help you?
He said I want to walk.
And I told him listen, I can'tguarantee anything, I you know.
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But I'll tell you what Ibelieve in miracles and if your
mom gives us the green light,I'll start giving you
suggestions to start healing.
Suggestions, by the way, arethe instructions that we give
the mind in a hypnotic state.
I hypnotized him probably aboutfour to five times, and the
months went by, months went byand one day his mother made an
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appointment for him to come in.
He came in walking.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So then, why isn't it instant After he walked out?
Why doesn't it work instantlyafter the session?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Because this isn't a magic bullet when it comes to
the mind.
It takes conditioning.
It's like everything.
It takes conditioning.
It isn't something, don't getme wrong.
For certain things likequitting smoking, a person can
quit smoking in one to twosessions, but for most things,
they need a certain amount ofsessions.
But even so, in the grandscheme of things, what is four
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to five sessions?
There are people that are doingtraditional therapy for a
decade or decades.
So, no matter what, this isvery effective compared to other
modes of therapy.
How does it work?
So imagine that right now, weare only talking to each other
with 5 to 12% of the mind.
That means that there is thiswhopping part that goes untapped
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, and what nobody tells you isthat the core of who you are
resides there, in the center,and so that's where your habits,
your emotions, your patternsare stored.
And so you want to access thishard drive of the mind so that
you can eliminate programmingthat isn't serving you and input
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programming that will.
So what we do in a therapeuticstate is put you in a relaxed
state, so that your brain'swavelengths drop, your mind
opens up, it becomes porous andit's able to start absorbing the
suggestions, and thesuggestions that we give you are
based on what it is that youtell me.
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So, for example, let's say youcame into one of my offices and
we started working with you andyou were dealing with anxiety
and certain ruminating thoughtsbecause certain things had
happened at work and youcouldn't get past it.
Well, what we will do is helpyou to process those emotions
and what happened in a hypnoticstate and help your mind to see
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things in a way where you'reable to let go of that and be at
your best and so yeah, but youwere saying that it works in
reprogramming, I guess, givingsuggestions.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But what if you don't know what your subconscious
beliefs are Like?
Let's say I'm dealing withanxiety from work, but I don't
really know that's what it is.
How can I, how do clients giveyou the information for you to
then reprogram, if they don'teven know what's keeping them
from living their best life?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Oh, let me tell you that in like probably like 98%
of the cases, people know what'sbothering them.
You know somebody you know didsomething or said something to
them, and so people come in herebecause they're very much aware
of the problem.
That's why they come in here.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And you're saying sometimes it takes one session,
sometimes it takes many.
When you get somebody in arelaxed state, then you give
them the, you put in the seedsof the reprogramming and then
they wake up and they feeldifferent.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Well, that's the thing is, when people that well,
first of all, they don'tactually fall asleep.
So what happens is that youenter that really relaxed state
and when you're in that state,sometimes you can feel a little
bit lighter, go a little bitdeeper, lighter.
It's like a wave, and so whatyou're experiencing is a relaxed
state of awareness, and so attimes the conscious mind takes
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off and it's just subconscious.
And then there's other timeswhere they totally are hearing
everything.
So after the session, theperson opens their eyes, they're
very relaxed and in most cases,they feel at peace, and most
people say that it's a veryrelaxing experience, to where it
feels like a mental massage.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Okay, and is there?
Do you have then the free willduring hypnosis to, if you're
not accepting or agreeing withthe suggestions, to say no,
because I think people alsomaybe fear that the hypnotherapy
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might give them suggestionsthat are dangerous, and
obviously I know you wouldn't dothat.
But if somebody is worriedabout that, do you still have
free will?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Oh, you always have free will.
In fact, all forms of hypnosisare a form of auto-hypnosis.
This works because you want itto work and before we actually
go to hypnotize you, we makesure to go over exactly what you
want, because we need to finetune the suggestions to you.
If I were to give you asuggestion that wasn't in line
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with you, you know what yourmind would do.
It would just bounce it off andit'd say no.
When you're in that state,you're very much in tune with
yourself.
I remember once giving a persona suggestion and I gave her the
suggestion and, much to my shock, question.
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And I gave her the suggestionand, much to my shock, she went
like this and I was reallysurprised and after she
explained to me why I had givenher the suggestion, that she was
going to do something at acertain hour and it turns out
that she, at that hour, heroffice didn't even open up.
So that's what it was.
But in every other case that Iwere, I've hypnotized a person.
You know, because thesuggestions are fine-tuned to
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exactly what the person wants,we never have those issues.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And when it?
You know, I know that there aresome people who use hypnosis to
quit smoking or quit any sortof habit, and I've heard stories
of like life-changing I neverwanted to smoke again, it
disgusted me.
And then I've heard people saythat, life changing I never
wanted to smoke again, itdisgusted me.
And then I've heard people saythat they've done it and it
didn't work at all.
So why does it work for somepeople and not others?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
When it doesn't work, it can be for two different
reasons.
Number one the person isn'treally committed to whatever it
is that they want.
So, for example, when peoplecall and they want to make an
appointment to quit smoking, Iask them from a zero to 10, with
10 being the number at whichyou absolutely want to quit,
what number are you at?
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If people give me like a fiveor six, I tell them no, work on
your commitment.
Then come back to us, becauseotherwise the chances are half
that it's going to work.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Because when my oh, this was like my God 15 years
ago, I paid for my mom to gethypnotized to quit smoking and
she went and she was like I thisdidn't work.
And now I look at her and Irealized she never wanted to
quit smoking no, exactly.
And she still smokes to thisday.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Exactly.
And then the other thing thatsometimes happens is that people
find a hypnotherapist thatdoesn't really understand
suggestibility, which is howpeople process information.
You can't hypnotize two peoplethe same way.
So, for example, if you have ananalytical mind, I have to
speak to your mind a certain wayso that your mind will absorb
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the suggestions, Otherwise it'sgoing to be a no-go.
And so there's some schoolsthat unfortunately don't teach
that stuff, but my staff and Iwe've gone to the Harvard of
hypnotherapy, so we are verymuch aware of all that important
stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So we are very much aware of all that important
stuff.
Now there are people who havelike hypnosis, like where you
could download it on theinternet for like a few dollars
to $10.
Do those pre-recordings work?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
They can.
They can, but let me tell youthere is nothing like customized
sessions.
The more customized it is toyour needs, the better.
So, for example, you know, whenpeople come into one of my
offices, their sessions arecustomized.
I'm about to launch an app,mindmorph, and one of the
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programs that I'm going to putin there is a program for
helping women with eating issuesand weight loss.
That thing has 21 modules, andwhen I was explaining to my
partner why it was so large, hesaid it's so unnecessary.
You're being overly meticulous.
I explained to him no, youdon't understand.
Eating issues and weight is acomplex topic and it's not, you
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know.
You can't just think, oh, justa few different audios are gonna
be enough for everybody.
No, if we wanna do it the rightway, we have to be really
goal-focused.
So yeah, so it's very importantthat we absolutely hone in on
exactly what you need.
This way, it makes sense to you, it resonates, and that is how
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we're going to get your mind toabsorb the suggestions.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I've done so much work on the subconscious because
I notice in my own life Isometimes sabotage, I sometimes
am in like the brink of likehuge success and then I'll just
throw a wrench into somethingand I know that I have obviously
some subconscious belief and Ibelieve at the end of the day,
that it all boils down toself-esteem, like when we
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believe we are worthy and wedeserve a relationship, a great
job, a good family life, a goodhouse, whatever the hell it is.
When we really truly believethat, then those things will
come to us and this all boilsdown to subconscious.
So how does that work?
In all the years you've beendoing this the 17 years what
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have you noticed?
That is a reoccurring patternin all of these clients of how
everything you know boils downto self.
You know self-esteem and theirbelief system.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, Well, one of the things I should mention
first is that you know, a lot oftimes when we sabotage
ourselves, it's because it's aself defense mechanism.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Can you explain?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
that yes.
So to the subconscious mind,it's much more important to
ensure your survival, your, soto speak, safety, than your
success.
So if you have experiencedcertain traumatic things,
situations where there wereinstability, where it felt like
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the rug got pulled underneathyou and whatnot, the
subconscious mind will try tosabotage you because it feels
safer for you to stay small,safer for you not to be seen,
not to be heard.
So that's why it's so importantto access the subconscious mind
and make those changes because,realistically, the subconscious
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mind will always override theconscious mind.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, I have noticed that.
It's true.
I was reading something theother day like your ego really
wants to keep you safe, even ifsafety isn't the best thing for
you.
It just wants familiar.
So it'll keep you in that sameloop over and over because you
know how that story ends.
But when you try to dosomething new, your ego's like
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nope, we don't know how thatstory ends, so let's just keep
you safe in here, Even if it'san unhealthy relationship, a
habit, a work situation,whatever the case may be.
And that's really hard toreprogram.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And this is the thing .
What nobody tells you is thatthe subconscious mind cannot
tell the difference between anegative and a positive pattern.
The moment your mind learns apattern, it just keeps wanting
to repeat it over and over again.
That's why it's so importantthat you take control, gain
access to it and start inputtingexactly what you want.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
How, with your clients, do you notice that this
lasts, or is it temporary thefeeling of the change after
these sessions?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
You know, in general people tend to experience some
amazing changes.
In fact, some of my firstclients will from time to time,
you know, reach out because theyneed new things and they'll
mention, like God, I rememberthat time you helped me with
that one issue with my sweettooth, and you know it's the
craziest thing.
But since then I just, you know, I've been totally in control
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of my sugar intake, things likethat, and so there are some
things that people will nailright away, and then there's
other things that there aredifferent layers to it and
they'll need a little bit morework.
But to be totally honest, allof us need to accept that
self-growth is a lifelongprocess.
As long as you have breath, youshould be working on yourself.
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I agree.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I mean my mom makes fun of me because I'm always
reading some book or going tosome retreat and she's like,
when is enough enough?
And I'm like it's never enoughbecause I always uncover another
layer of myself that doesn'tneed fixing.
But I just realized that I wantto improve.
I mean, obviously I want to bethe best version of myself.
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But in all the years, you know,in all the years also, you've
been doing this like what do younotice people need the most
help with?
Is there like one certainaspect of their life that you
see reoccurring over and over?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yes, so connecting with themselves occurring over
and over?
Yes, so connecting withthemselves, connecting with
themselves so that they're ableto trust themselves.
So if you're not right withyourself, you can only go so far
in life.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
What do you mean?
Like not trusting themselves,like what does that look like?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah.
So, for example, trusting yourintuition Also, for example,
like valuing yourself, havingcertain standards, the kind of
standards that are going to makeit so that, no matter what you
come through for yourself, soyour relationship with yourself
is a top thing that just needsto be solid in order for you to
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do anything and everything else.
And another thing that reallyhelps is having some kind of
belief or faith.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I agree with your relationship with yourself.
What I've noticed, too, is if Iwant to start a new goal, like,
let's say, working out, and I'mlike I'm going to start on
Monday, and then Monday rollsaround and I get tired.
And I'm like I'm going to starton Monday, and then Monday
rolls around and I get tired andI'm like I'm just going to do
it tomorrow.
I, back years ago, neverthought that was a big deal,
like who cares?
Nobody knows that I was goingto start on Monday, except for
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me.
And I realized it matters somuch because I told myself I was
going to do it on Monday andthen I abandoned myself and
those little impressions againstyourself build up and then you
stop trusting your own self,which then you stop trusting
your intuition.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
You know.
It's first of all kudos to youthat you have so much awareness
that's great and that you're notafraid of looking at your
shadow, because sometimes peopledon't really do the work
because they don't want to seetheir shadow, they fear what
they might find.
And so kudos to you that thatyou have been somebody who has
really moved forward and you'reOK seeing what you see, because
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you understand that you're,you'll be better off because you
have that information.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And I'm sending this clip to my mom.
I'm going to send this clip tomy mom and be like, see, but I
mean, it's true, and I havefriends that don't want to have
deep conversations, they don'twant to see themselves that way.
You know, that's fine too.
I just realized that, like,your relationship with yourself
is the most importantrelationship and that's what the
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self-sabotaging.
But the going back to what yousaid about intuition, how I feel
like because there's so muchgoing on in the world right now
and I feel like people's anxietyis higher than it's ever been
because of so much noise how canyou tell, how have you been
able to decipher with yourclients the difference between
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their intuition and listeningand tapping into that, and their
anxiety and fear, becausesometimes your body will tell
you not to do something becauseof fear, where that's not your
intuition.
So how have you noticed thatyou can help your clients tell
the difference?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, you know, the most important thing when it
comes to me helping my clientsis understanding their vision
for themselves and what theywant.
If the fear is just a thing ofthe mind trying to keep them
safe, then I know that I need tohelp them unblock it.
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If it's just a thing of what'shappening in the world, then
honestly, what I have to do ismake it so that they have a
certain amount of boundaries.
Don't get me wrong.
I really do believe that rightnow we are in a timeframe where
we are called to take action andto stop certain things from
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happening in the world and makethe world a better place.
But we also must have someboundaries, because if we don't
have, if you don't haveboundaries and you're an
empathic person, especiallyright now right now is if you
are an empathic person, it is atough time to just be, because
you're feeling all of thisenergy and there's just so much
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out there.
But right now we all need toexercise having a certain amount
of boundaries and being able torefocus and recalibrate
ourselves, because if we can'tdo that, we're no good to
ourselves and to the rest of theworld.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, I mean, it's the putting your oxygen mask on
first sort of thinking, and Iagree, but it is difficult and I
think that if somebody islistening to this and they're
thinking, okay, hypnotherapysounds like maybe a modality
that I want to try and I neverhave.
Is there any way that theycould?
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If they can't afford to hiresomeone, what are some tips that
you can give someone toself-reliance like?
Is there any way to do it foryourself?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
So you can.
In fact, I hypnotize myself allthe time, but the thing is this
when you have somebody elsehypnotize you, you're able to
let go, and that's how the wallscome down and that's how your
mind becomes porous and is ableto really open up and absorb
those suggestions.
Otherwise, you're responsiblefor putting yourself in and then
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you're responsible for givingyourself those suggestions.
So I believe that you're notable to go as deep as you really
need to so that your mind canabsorb those suggestions.
That's why you know if a person, for example, is not able to
afford to work with me or mystaff, they can do things such
as find free YouTube videos.
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Right now, I'm in the processof launching my MindMorph app,
because I want to make sure thateverybody has access to the
mentalities they need so thatthey can overcome the past and
make breakthroughs and be theperson that they were meant to
be on this earth.
So so, yeah, so that's my wayof making it, so that everybody
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gets access to this work.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, so I was excited about the app because
you were saying that there's soeven just for eating issues.
There's so many differentlayers to it.
But isn't that the case withany bad habit, Like even the
online shopping or overworking,or drinking or smoking or
gambling or porn or you know?
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Fill in the blank, Don't youfeel like everyone has their own
reason why they participate inthat sort of behavior?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Totally.
But let me tell you, when itcomes to eating and weight loss,
it's the most complex out ofall of them.
Out of all of them.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Why is that Trust?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
me it's just because it's just tied to habits, it's
tied to the patterns, it's tiedto emotional eating, all of
these things, and there'ssomething about eating where it
is the crutch for so many,especially women, and so that's
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why, for that one, it's complexand, yeah, it just takes a
little more work than quittingsmoking.
People quit smoking in onesingle session all the time, but
it's different because you canput that cigarette down and
never, ever have to pick it up.
You'll never be able to stopeating.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, exactly, at least three times a day.
How you're going to you knowhow you're going to approach
that.
So I can understand that whatyou were saying earlier, that
you always have the ability tooverride a suggestion.
But when, again, when I started, when I was asking you, like
most people think of hypnotistsas these, like magicians on
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stage, but I've seen people onstage like bark, like a dog, and
you know be crazy how, why werethey able to do that when they?
Why didn't those peopleoverride, acting silly?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, well, honestly, because they wanted to do it.
You see, stage show hypnosis istotally different from
hypnotherapy, completelydifferent.
How?
Because when you go to Vegas,let's say, you go to Vegas and
you put your hand up and you say, I want to be a volunteer,
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you're going to notice, payattention that you'll notice
that they'll go ahead and bringup maybe 20 people up there, a
big group of people, and thenthey will have them doing
different things and then,little by little, they will
start to weed people out, alittle here, a little there, and
next thing, you know, you'vegot like six people, then you're
down to like four and then hefocuses on the synambulists that
are there.
Synambulists are the peoplethat are, by nature, are just
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more suggestible because they'reable to process information
both directly as well as byanalyzing whatever is coming
their way, whatever messageunits are coming their way.
So they are the ideal peoplefor stage show hypnosis and a
part of them is willing to dothat stuff.
That's the only reason they doit.
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I have gone to Vegas and eveninterviewed some of the top
hypnotists there for my YouTubechannel, and let me tell you
that when I go to the shows andI put my hand up and I get on
stage.
I am one of the first people toget kicked off the stage
because I have an analyticalmind.
And there, get on stage.
I am one of the first people toget kicked off the stage
because I have an analyticalmind and there's no way I'm
going to do anything stupid onthere.
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You know it's not going tohappen.
That's not me, right.
So that's the reason why stageshow hypnosis looks a certain
way.
Now, hypnotherapy is differentbecause you know, we see it as a
very serious modality,something that it can change
lives, and so it's reallyimportant.
There's no goofing off orsilliness.
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No, it's you coming in andtelling me what you want, how I
can help you, and me making surethat I fine-tune to exactly
what you need.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And so it's completely different.
I've also heard of peoplesaying that they were in
hypnotherapy and memories cameflooding out of them from their
childhood that they weren'taware of.
Have you ever seen that happen?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Sometimes people will recall certain things,
especially if you're doing likea past life regression or
regression to a person's youngerage a younger age in this life,
an earlier age in this life.
But in most cases that's notthe case.
In most cases, you know, we'rejust focused on whatever it is
that the person wants toaccomplish accomplish.
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But in sessions where peoplerequest past lives or they need
to remember something from theirchildhood, then of course they
will definitely recall certainthings and you've seen people
tap into that, yes.
So I'll give you a really goodexample.
Years ago I had a woman come inand she told me you know,
there's this guy at work that Ihave this connection with and
sometimes, you know when thingsaren't going well with my
husband, sometimes I think maybeI should leave my husband for
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this guy.
And so she said I want to know,because I believe that I
somehow know him, maybe from apast life, and I want to know
what the connection is.
So I hypnotized her and itturned out that that guy who she
worked with had been herhusband in a previous life.
Stop, yes.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Did she be her husband?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That he had abandoned her.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yes.
So when she opened her eyes,she said I'm not going to leave
my husband for that guy.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And she walked out just knowing exactly what she
needed to know, I remember whenI was in high school one of my
friend's mom went tohypnotherapy and she in one of
the sessions recalled a lot ofabuse in her life.
And have you seen people dothat where, like it, kind of it
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unravels an entire other bag oftricks?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
No, but you know, what's interesting is that
something similar happens a lotof times when people get
massages, because memory is alsoan energy is stored in the body
as well, where somebody, willyou know, be getting a massage
and all of a sudden, they'llremember my stepbrother once
touched me when I was a kid,things like that.
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But usually, no, we don'texperience things like that In
hypnotherapy, but it is possible, of course it is, and that's
the thing is usually the mind,will you know, will not show you
anything that it doesn'tbelieve that you can't deal with
.
So if it shows you something,it clearly believes that now is
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the time.
In fact, that's the reason whya lot of times, things don't
come up until things calm down,and so a lot of times people
will say everything had beengoing really well and all of a
sudden, I'm dealing with thisstuff, and well, you're dealing
with it because your mind saysokay, you can.
Now you've been able to breatheand you're now able to really
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deal with these things.
Now is the time.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Is there anyone that you think hypnotherapy will not
work for?
Is there anyone that you thinkhypnotherapy will not work?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
for It'll work for everybody, if the caveat is if
they are on board with it,because, honestly, this only
works because you want it towork.
It will not work if you resist,if you are of the mindset and
attitude that this is, you know,you against me, or anything
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like that, then it won't work.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, so you have to anybody who's resistant.
But that's the case with any Imean any modality, right Even
like therapy.
If you're there and you're justmiserable and you don't want to
be there, no suggestion thetherapist is going to make is
going to change your life.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Exactly, and especially with hypnotherapy,
because we're talking about themind, the subconscious mind, and
its main job is to protect you.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
How does it work with your nervous system?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, so at my office we do a technique that nobody
else does, which is myneurosomatic reconditioning
technique, and we integrate itinto our hypnotherapy sessions
when people opt for doing that,and the goal is to null any
anxious energy as well as anyanxiety that's in your nervous
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system, and then, after that, tostart conditioning in the
positive, and so that'ssomething that we do at my
office, because I really believethat healing needs to be
holistic.
It isn't just a mind thing, itisn't just a body thing, it's a
whole thing.
And I'll give you an example itisn't even just a logical mind
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thing.
When you think of the mind,it's also a spiritual thing.
But so how does it work?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's also a spiritual thing.
But so how does it work, yourtechnique?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah.
So in the first phase, after wedo the discovery, where we go
over all of your goals, wecreate that list of suggestions.
One of the things that we do iswe do a massage on your spinal
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cord while focusing on theissues that you want to
eliminate.
So the goal in that phase is tonull the negative, to
desensitize you to where it nolonger triggers you, because a
lot of times, especially ifyou've experienced a lot of
trauma, instability, you knowshock what happens is that
you're always on edge, you'realways in fight or flight mode,
you're always thinking when isthe other shoe going to drop?
So our goal is to start nullingthat energy on the physical
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level, at the nervous systemlevel, and then, after we
hypnotize you, we also startcoding in with the massager the
positive.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
It's like a hand massager.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yes, uh-huh, that's right, and so it's this whole
thing that we integrate into thehypnotherapy sessions, so that
you know, the healing is reallyon a dual level, on the mental
as well as the physical.
And, like I said before, Ireally do believe that when we
go to heal the mind, we're notjust healing just the logical
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mind, but also the spiritual.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, yeah, it's almost like it's the mind, it's
the body and the spirit.
That's right.
That's right.
Have you seen also in lately,like, do you see a trend of
people sort of dealing with thesame issue?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
a trend of people sort of dealing with the same
issue.
So let me tell you there aretimes when there is just
something in the air andeverybody's coming in for the
same stuff.
It is the weirdest thing, butit really goes to show you how
we are all interconnected.
And so there have beendifferent timeframes where
people are coming in forinsomnia.
There are timeframes where, youknow, people are constantly
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coming in for anxiety or to getpast sexual abuse that they
experienced as kids.
So, yes, it happens.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So what's happening now in the world?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Right now is a lot of anxiety.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
A lot of anxiety, a lot of insecurity, a lot of
people feeling unstable,especially after COVID.
You know, for a lot of peopleit created this feeling of oh my
God.
You know they never anticipatedCOVID happening.
For a lot of people there was alot of financial instability.
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Then there was the shock of notknowing what that bug was, of
going into grocery stores andfinding them empty.
So that really messed with alot of people.
In fact, a lot of times I seepeople that they are continuing
to wear masks, even though it'snot even necessary, because
they're still functioning from aplace of fear.
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And I really do believe thatthere's this collective trauma
that happened during that timeframe and that a lot of people
don't realize how much that timeframe impacted them.
You know a lot of people losttheir homes, especially like in
LA.
You know people like who havebeen impacted, for example, also
even by the strikes.
All of this, all of thesethings that have been happening
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back to back, you know, inhumanity that is happening in
the world, all of that iscausing people to think what is
going on here, why are we in somuch darkness?
And for those people, one ofthe things that I say is that,
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more than ever, we need to makesure that our light is shining
bright and, of course, that wedo everything we can to help
others and that we also justhold that space for healing, and
for collective healing andgrowth.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Sasha, thank you, I really want you to.
I would love to tryhypnotherapy with you, yes, so
hopefully we could do it.
Maybe I'll even record it andso I can show everyone how the
process works.
But thank you so much for yourtime and if anyone's listening,
if you're driving, you couldlook at it later.
But in the show notes I willput how to get in touch with
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Sasha on Instagram, her websiteand, hopefully, your app.
When do you think your app willcome out?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
God willingly, in about two or three weeks.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Oh, that's great Okay good.
So keep looking.
I'll put all the information inthe show notes.
Thank you so much, Sasha.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Thank you.
Welcome to Redesigning Life.
I'm your host, sabrina Soto,and this is the space where we
have honest conversations aboutpersonal growth, mindset shifts
and creating a life that feelstruly aligned.
In each episode, I'll talk toexperts in their fields who
share their insights to help youstep into your higher self.
Let's redesign your life fromthe inside out.
Welcome to Redesigning Life.
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I am so excited about thisepisode because I have Sasha
Carrion here with me and she isa hypnotist and works with the
subconscious, and if you'velistened to my podcast for any
time, you know how important, Ibelieve, our subconscious
beliefs are and how they reallysort of mold our lives and what
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we attract and what we don'tattract.
So, sasha, I'm so excited toget deep into this conversation.
Thank you so much for takingthe time and talking to me today
, Sabrina.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I am so happy to be here with you today.
I think this is absolutelyawesome, that you're really
giving people the opportunity tounderstand what hypnosis, in
the form of hypnotherapy, can dofor them.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So I think when people think of hypnotists or
even hypnotherapy, they thinkit's always some sort of show,
like some magic trick.
You know, when you see thehypnotist on stage and they make
you bark like a dog.
Obviously that is a part of howpeople do it, but it's such a
very powerful tool in therapyand changing your thoughts.
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How did you get into this?
I know you've been doing it for17 years, but how did this all
start for?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
you, by the way.
The funny thing is I totallybelieved that myself and I was a
total skeptic.
People are always in shock whenI tell them that by nature I am
a doubting Thomas.
But I did it and I do this fora living, because I have seen
the difference in my life andthis stuff works.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Tell me, all of the 17 years, what have you seen?
How have you transformed someof your clients in all of the
years you've been doing thiswith hypnotherapy?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
that had them self-sabotaging themselves.
I've helped people to eliminateanxiety, fears and phobias, to
boost their self-confidence, toget control of their eating
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habits, to lose weight, to quitsmoking, to stop biting nails,
all manner of things.
I've even helped people withphysical of things.
I've even helped people withphysical issues.
So, for example, I had a kidclient who came in and he had
been in a horrible accidentwhere he had had to have four to
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five surgeries and he had beentold that the chances of him
walking again were next to nil.
He came in he was alreadythinking suicidal thoughts
because he was so depressed andwhen I asked him, well, how can
I help you?
He said I want to walk.
And I told him listen, I can'tguarantee anything, I you know.
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But I'll tell you what Ibelieve in miracles and if your
mom gives us the green light,I'll start giving you
suggestions to start healing.
Suggestions, by the way, arethe instructions that we give
the mind in a hypnotic state.
I hypnotized him probably aboutfour to five times, and the
months went by, months went byand one day his mother made an
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appointment for him to come in.
He came in walking.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So then, why isn't it instant After he walked out?
Why doesn't it work instantlyafter the session?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Because this isn't a magic bullet when it comes to
the mind.
It takes conditioning.
It's like everything.
It takes conditioning.
It isn't something, don't getme wrong.
For certain things likequitting smoking, a person can
quit smoking in one to twosessions, but for most things,
they need a certain amount ofsessions.
But even so, in the grandscheme of things, what is four
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to five sessions?
There are people that are doingtraditional therapy for a
decade or decades.
So, no matter what, this isvery effective compared to other
modes of therapy.
How does it work?
So imagine that right now, weare only talking to each other
with 5 to 12% of the mind.
That means that there is thiswhopping part that goes untapped
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, and what nobody tells you isthat the core of who you are
resides there, in the center,and so that's where your habits,
your emotions, your patternsare stored.
And so you want to access thishard drive of the mind so that
you can eliminate programmingthat isn't serving you and input
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programming that will.
So what we do in a therapeuticstate is put you in a relaxed
state, so that your brain'swavelengths drop, your mind
opens up, it becomes porous andit's able to start absorbing the
suggestions, and thesuggestions that we give you are
based on what it is that youtell me.
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So, for example, let's say youcame into one of my offices and
we started working with you andyou were dealing with anxiety
and certain ruminating thoughtsbecause certain things had
happened at work and youcouldn't get past it.
Well, what we will do is helpyou to process those emotions
and what happened in a hypnoticstate and help your mind to see
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things in a way where you'reable to let go of that and be at
your best and so yeah, but youwere saying that it works in
reprogramming, I guess, givingsuggestions.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But what if you don't know what your subconscious
beliefs are Like?
Let's say I'm dealing withanxiety from work, but I don't
really know that's what it is.
How can I, how do clients giveyou the information for you to
then reprogram, if they don'teven know what's keeping them
from living their best life?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Oh, let me tell you that in like probably like 98%
of the cases, people know what'sbothering them.
You know somebody you know didsomething or said something to
them, and so people come in herebecause they're very much aware
of the problem.
That's why they come in here.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And you're saying sometimes it takes one session,
sometimes it takes many.
When you get somebody in arelaxed state, then you give
them the, you put in the seedsof the reprogramming and then
they wake up and they feeldifferent.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Well, that's the thing is, when people that well,
first of all, they don'tactually fall asleep.
So what happens is that youenter that really relaxed state
and when you're in that state,sometimes you can feel a little
bit lighter, go a little bitdeeper, lighter.
It's like a wave, and so whatyou're experiencing is a relaxed
state of awareness, and so attimes the conscious mind takes
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off and it's just subconscious.
And then there's other timeswhere they totally are hearing
everything.
So after the session, theperson opens their eyes, they're
very relaxed and in most cases,they feel at peace, and most
people say that it's a veryrelaxing experience, to where it
feels like a mental massage.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Okay, and is there?
Do you have then the free willduring hypnosis to, if you're
not accepting or agreeing withthe suggestions, to say no,
because I think people alsomaybe fear that the hypnotherapy
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might give them suggestionsthat are dangerous, and
obviously I know you wouldn't dothat.
But if somebody is worriedabout that, do you still have
free will?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Oh, you always have free will.
In fact, all forms of hypnosisare a form of auto-hypnosis.
This works because you want itto work and before we actually
go to hypnotize you, we makesure to go over exactly what you
want, because we need to finetune the suggestions to you.
If I were to give you asuggestion that wasn't in line
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with you, you know what yourmind would do.
It would just bounce it off andit'd say no.
When you're in that state,you're very much in tune with
yourself.
I remember once giving a persona suggestion and I gave her the
suggestion and, much to my shock, question.
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And I gave her the suggestionand, much to my shock, she went
like this and I was reallysurprised and after she
explained to me why I had givenher the suggestion, that she was
going to do something at acertain hour and it turns out
that she, at that hour, heroffice didn't even open up.
So that's what it was.
But in every other case that Iwere, I've hypnotized a person.
You know, because thesuggestions are fine-tuned to
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exactly what the person wants,we never have those issues.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And when it?
You know, I know that there aresome people who use hypnosis to
quit smoking or quit any sortof habit, and I've heard stories
of like life-changing I neverwanted to smoke again, it
disgusted me.
And then I've heard people saythat, life changing I never
wanted to smoke again, itdisgusted me.
And then I've heard people saythat they've done it and it
didn't work at all.
So why does it work for somepeople and not others?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
When it doesn't work, it can be for two different
reasons.
Number one the person isn'treally committed to whatever it
is that they want.
So, for example, when peoplecall and they want to make an
appointment to quit smoking, Iask them from a zero to 10, with
10 being the number at whichyou absolutely want to quit,
what number are you at?
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If people give me like a fiveor six, I tell them no, work on
your commitment.
Then come back to us, becauseotherwise the chances are half
that it's going to work.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Because when my oh, this was like my God 15 years
ago, I paid for my mom to gethypnotized to quit smoking and
she went and she was like I thisdidn't work.
And now I look at her and Irealized she never wanted to
quit smoking no, exactly.
And she still smokes to thisday.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Exactly.
And then the other thing thatsometimes happens is that people
find a hypnotherapist thatdoesn't really understand
suggestibility, which is howpeople process information.
You can't hypnotize two peoplethe same way.
So, for example, if you have ananalytical mind, I have to
speak to your mind a certain wayso that your mind will absorb
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the suggestions, Otherwise it'sgoing to be a no-go.
And so there's some schoolsthat unfortunately don't teach
that stuff, but my staff and Iwe've gone to the Harvard of
hypnotherapy, so we are verymuch aware of all that important
stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So we are very much aware of all that important
stuff.
Now there are people who havelike hypnosis, like where you
could download it on theinternet for like a few dollars
to $10.
Do those pre-recordings work?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
They can.
They can, but let me tell youthere is nothing like customized
sessions.
The more customized it is toyour needs, the better.
So, for example, you know, whenpeople come into one of my
offices, their sessions arecustomized.
I'm about to launch an app,mindmorph, and one of the
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programs that I'm going to putin there is a program for
helping women with eating issuesand weight loss.
That thing has 21 modules, andwhen I was explaining to my
partner why it was so large, hesaid it's so unnecessary.
You're being overly meticulous.
I explained to him no, youdon't understand.
Eating issues and weight is acomplex topic and it's not, you
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know.
You can't just think, oh, justa few different audios are gonna
be enough for everybody.
No, if we wanna do it the rightway, we have to be really
goal-focused.
So yeah, so it's very importantthat we absolutely hone in on
exactly what you need.
This way, it makes sense to you, it resonates, and that is how
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we're going to get your mind toabsorb the suggestions.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I've done so much work on the subconscious because
I notice in my own life Isometimes sabotage, I sometimes
am in like the brink of likehuge success and then I'll just
throw a wrench into somethingand I know that I have obviously
some subconscious belief and Ibelieve at the end of the day,
that it all boils down toself-esteem, like when we
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believe we are worthy and wedeserve a relationship, a great
job, a good family life, a goodhouse, whatever the hell it is.
When we really truly believethat, then those things will
come to us and this all boilsdown to subconscious.
So how does that work?
In all the years you've beendoing this the 17 years what
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have you noticed?
That is a reoccurring patternin all of these clients of how
everything you know boils downto self.
You know self-esteem and theirbelief system.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, Well, one of the things I should mention
first is that you know, a lot oftimes when we sabotage
ourselves, it's because it's aself defense mechanism.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Can you explain?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
that yes.
So to the subconscious mind,it's much more important to
ensure your survival, your, soto speak, safety, than your
success.
So if you have experiencedcertain traumatic things,
situations where there wereinstability, where it felt like
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the rug got pulled underneathyou and whatnot, the
subconscious mind will try tosabotage you because it feels
safer for you to stay small,safer for you not to be seen,
not to be heard.
So that's why it's so importantto access the subconscious mind
and make those changes because,realistically, the subconscious
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mind will always override theconscious mind.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, I have noticed that.
It's true.
I was reading something theother day like your ego really
wants to keep you safe, even ifsafety isn't the best thing for
you.
It just wants familiar.
So it'll keep you in that sameloop over and over because you
know how that story ends.
But when you try to dosomething new, your ego's like
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nope, we don't know how thatstory ends, so let's just keep
you safe in here, Even if it'san unhealthy relationship, a
habit, a work situation,whatever the case may be.
And that's really hard toreprogram.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And this is the thing .
What nobody tells you is thatthe subconscious mind cannot
tell the difference between anegative and a positive pattern.
The moment your mind learns apattern, it just keeps wanting
to repeat it over and over again.
That's why it's so importantthat you take control, gain
access to it and start inputtingexactly what you want.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
How, with your clients, do you notice that this
lasts, or is it temporary thefeeling of the change after
these sessions?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
You know, in general people tend to experience some
amazing changes.
In fact, some of my firstclients will from time to time,
you know, reach out because theyneed new things and they'll
mention, like God, I rememberthat time you helped me with
that one issue with my sweettooth, and you know it's the
craziest thing.
But since then I just, you know, I've been totally in control
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of my sugar intake, things likethat, and so there are some
things that people will nailright away, and then there's
other things that there aredifferent layers to it and
they'll need a little bit morework.
But to be totally honest, allof us need to accept that
self-growth is a lifelongprocess.
As long as you have breath, youshould be working on yourself.
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I agree.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I mean my mom makes fun of me because I'm always
reading some book or going tosome retreat and she's like,
when is enough enough?
And I'm like it's never enoughbecause I always uncover another
layer of myself that doesn'tneed fixing.
But I just realized that I wantto improve.
I mean, obviously I want to bethe best version of myself.
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But in all the years, you know,in all the years also, you've
been doing this like what do younotice people need the most
help with?
Is there like one certainaspect of their life that you
see reoccurring over and over?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yes, so connecting with themselves occurring over
and over?
Yes, so connecting withthemselves, connecting with
themselves so that they're ableto trust themselves.
So if you're not right withyourself, you can only go so far
in life.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
What do you mean?
Like not trusting themselves,like what does that look like?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah.
So, for example, trusting yourintuition Also, for example,
like valuing yourself, havingcertain standards, the kind of
standards that are going to makeit so that, no matter what you
come through for yourself, soyour relationship with yourself
is a top thing that just needsto be solid in order for you to
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do anything and everything else.
And another thing that reallyhelps is having some kind of
belief or faith.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I agree with your relationship with yourself.
What I've noticed, too, is if Iwant to start a new goal, like,
let's say, working out, and I'mlike I'm going to start on
Monday, and then Monday rollsaround and I get tired.
And I'm like I'm going to starton Monday, and then Monday
rolls around and I get tired andI'm like I'm just going to do
it tomorrow.
I, back years ago, neverthought that was a big deal,
like who cares?
Nobody knows that I was goingto start on Monday, except for
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me.
And I realized it matters somuch because I told myself I was
going to do it on Monday andthen I abandoned myself and
those little impressions againstyourself build up and then you
stop trusting your own self,which then you stop trusting
your intuition.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
You know.
It's first of all kudos to youthat you have so much awareness
that's great and that you're notafraid of looking at your
shadow, because sometimes peopledon't really do the work
because they don't want to seetheir shadow, they fear what
they might find.
And so kudos to you that thatyou have been somebody who has
really moved forward and you'reOK seeing what you see, because
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you understand that you're,you'll be better off because you
have that information.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And I'm sending this clip to my mom.
I'm going to send this clip tomy mom and be like, see, but I
mean, it's true, and I havefriends that don't want to have
deep conversations, they don'twant to see themselves that way.
You know, that's fine too.
I just realized that, like,your relationship with yourself
is the most importantrelationship and that's what the
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self-sabotaging.
But the going back to what yousaid about intuition, how I feel
like because there's so muchgoing on in the world right now
and I feel like people's anxietyis higher than it's ever been
because of so much noise how canyou tell, how have you been
able to decipher with yourclients the difference between
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their intuition and listeningand tapping into that, and their
anxiety and fear, becausesometimes your body will tell
you not to do something becauseof fear, where that's not your
intuition.
So how have you noticed thatyou can help your clients tell
the difference?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, you know, the most important thing when it
comes to me helping my clientsis understanding their vision
for themselves and what theywant.
If the fear is just a thing ofthe mind trying to keep them
safe, then I know that I need tohelp them unblock it.
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If it's just a thing of what'shappening in the world, then
honestly, what I have to do ismake it so that they have a
certain amount of boundaries.
Don't get me wrong.
I really do believe that rightnow we are in a timeframe where
we are called to take action andto stop certain things from
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happening in the world and makethe world a better place.
But we also must have someboundaries, because if we don't
have, if you don't haveboundaries and you're an
empathic person, especiallyright now right now is if you
are an empathic person, it is atough time to just be, because
you're feeling all of thisenergy and there's just so much
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out there.
But right now we all need toexercise having a certain amount
of boundaries and being able torefocus and recalibrate
ourselves, because if we can'tdo that, we're no good to
ourselves and to the rest of theworld.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, I mean, it's the putting your oxygen mask on
first sort of thinking, and Iagree, but it is difficult and I
think that if somebody islistening to this and they're
thinking, okay, hypnotherapysounds like maybe a modality
that I want to try and I neverhave.
Is there any way that theycould?
(21:35):
If they can't afford to hiresomeone, what are some tips that
you can give someone toself-reliance like?
Is there any way to do it foryourself?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
So you can.
In fact, I hypnotize myself allthe time, but the thing is this
when you have somebody elsehypnotize you, you're able to
let go, and that's how the wallscome down and that's how your
mind becomes porous and is ableto really open up and absorb
those suggestions.
Otherwise, you're responsiblefor putting yourself in and then
(22:10):
you're responsible for givingyourself those suggestions.
So I believe that you're notable to go as deep as you really
need to so that your mind canabsorb those suggestions.
That's why you know if a person, for example, is not able to
afford to work with me or mystaff, they can do things such
as find free YouTube videos.
(22:32):
Right now, I'm in the processof launching my MindMorph app,
because I want to make sure thateverybody has access to the
mentalities they need so thatthey can overcome the past and
make breakthroughs and be theperson that they were meant to
be on this earth.
So so, yeah, so that's my wayof making it, so that everybody
(22:55):
gets access to this work.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, so I was excited about the app because
you were saying that there's soeven just for eating issues.
There's so many differentlayers to it.
But isn't that the case withany bad habit, Like even the
online shopping or overworking,or drinking or smoking or
gambling or porn or you know?
(23:18):
Fill in the blank, Don't youfeel like everyone has their own
reason why they participate inthat sort of behavior?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Totally.
But let me tell you, when itcomes to eating and weight loss,
it's the most complex out ofall of them.
Out of all of them.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Why is that Trust?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
me it's just because it's just tied to habits, it's
tied to the patterns, it's tiedto emotional eating, all of
these things, and there'ssomething about eating where it
is the crutch for so many,especially women, and so that's
(23:54):
why, for that one, it's complexand, yeah, it just takes a
little more work than quittingsmoking.
People quit smoking in onesingle session all the time, but
it's different because you canput that cigarette down and
never, ever have to pick it up.
You'll never be able to stopeating.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, exactly, at least three times a day.
How you're going to you knowhow you're going to approach
that.
So I can understand that whatyou were saying earlier, that
you always have the ability tooverride a suggestion.
But when, again, when I started, when I was asking you, like
most people think of hypnotistsas these, like magicians on
(24:34):
stage, but I've seen people onstage like bark, like a dog, and
you know be crazy how, why werethey able to do that when they?
Why didn't those peopleoverride, acting silly?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, well, honestly, because they wanted to do it.
You see, stage show hypnosis istotally different from
hypnotherapy, completelydifferent.
How?
Because when you go to Vegas,let's say, you go to Vegas and
you put your hand up and you say, I want to be a volunteer,
(25:12):
you're going to notice, payattention that you'll notice
that they'll go ahead and bringup maybe 20 people up there, a
big group of people, and thenthey will have them doing
different things and then,little by little, they will
start to weed people out, alittle here, a little there, and
next thing, you know, you'vegot like six people, then you're
down to like four and then hefocuses on the synambulists that
are there.
Synambulists are the peoplethat are, by nature, are just
(25:33):
more suggestible because they'reable to process information
both directly as well as byanalyzing whatever is coming
their way, whatever messageunits are coming their way.
So they are the ideal peoplefor stage show hypnosis and a
part of them is willing to dothat stuff.
That's the only reason they doit.
(25:53):
I have gone to Vegas and eveninterviewed some of the top
hypnotists there for my YouTubechannel, and let me tell you
that when I go to the shows andI put my hand up and I get on
stage.
I am one of the first people toget kicked off the stage
because I have an analyticalmind.
And there, get on stage.
I am one of the first people toget kicked off the stage
because I have an analyticalmind and there's no way I'm
going to do anything stupid onthere.
(26:14):
You know it's not going tohappen.
That's not me, right.
So that's the reason why stageshow hypnosis looks a certain
way.
Now, hypnotherapy is differentbecause you know, we see it as a
very serious modality,something that it can change
lives, and so it's reallyimportant.
There's no goofing off orsilliness.
(26:36):
No, it's you coming in andtelling me what you want, how I
can help you, and me making surethat I fine-tune to exactly
what you need.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And so it's completely different.
I've also heard of peoplesaying that they were in
hypnotherapy and memories cameflooding out of them from their
childhood that they weren'taware of.
Have you ever seen that happen?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Sometimes people will recall certain things,
especially if you're doing likea past life regression or
regression to a person's youngerage a younger age in this life,
an earlier age in this life.
But in most cases that's notthe case.
In most cases, you know, we'rejust focused on whatever it is
that the person wants toaccomplish accomplish.
(27:30):
But in sessions where peoplerequest past lives or they need
to remember something from theirchildhood, then of course they
will definitely recall certainthings and you've seen people
tap into that, yes.
So I'll give you a really goodexample.
Years ago I had a woman come inand she told me you know,
there's this guy at work that Ihave this connection with and
sometimes, you know when thingsaren't going well with my
husband, sometimes I think maybeI should leave my husband for
(27:52):
this guy.
And so she said I want to know,because I believe that I
somehow know him, maybe from apast life, and I want to know
what the connection is.
So I hypnotized her and itturned out that that guy who she
worked with had been herhusband in a previous life.
Stop, yes.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Did she be her husband?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That he had abandoned her.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yes.
So when she opened her eyes,she said I'm not going to leave
my husband for that guy.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And she walked out just knowing exactly what she
needed to know, I remember whenI was in high school one of my
friend's mom went tohypnotherapy and she in one of
the sessions recalled a lot ofabuse in her life.
And have you seen people dothat where, like it, kind of it
(28:50):
unravels an entire other bag oftricks?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
No, but you know, what's interesting is that
something similar happens a lotof times when people get
massages, because memory is alsoan energy is stored in the body
as well, where somebody, willyou know, be getting a massage
and all of a sudden, they'llremember my stepbrother once
touched me when I was a kid,things like that.
(29:15):
But usually, no, we don'texperience things like that In
hypnotherapy, but it is possible, of course it is, and that's
the thing is usually the mind,will you know, will not show you
anything that it doesn'tbelieve that you can't deal with
.
So if it shows you something,it clearly believes that now is
(29:35):
the time.
In fact, that's the reason whya lot of times, things don't
come up until things calm down,and so a lot of times people
will say everything had beengoing really well and all of a
sudden, I'm dealing with thisstuff, and well, you're dealing
with it because your mind saysokay, you can.
Now you've been able to breatheand you're now able to really
(29:58):
deal with these things.
Now is the time.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Is there anyone that you think hypnotherapy will not
work for?
Is there anyone that you thinkhypnotherapy will not work?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
for It'll work for everybody, if the caveat is if
they are on board with it,because, honestly, this only
works because you want it towork.
It will not work if you resist,if you are of the mindset and
attitude that this is, you know,you against me, or anything
(30:28):
like that, then it won't work.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, so you have to anybody who's resistant.
But that's the case with any Imean any modality, right Even
like therapy.
If you're there and you're justmiserable and you don't want to
be there, no suggestion thetherapist is going to make is
going to change your life.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Exactly, and especially with hypnotherapy,
because we're talking about themind, the subconscious mind, and
its main job is to protect you.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
How does it work with your nervous system?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, so at my office we do a technique that nobody
else does, which is myneurosomatic reconditioning
technique, and we integrate itinto our hypnotherapy sessions
when people opt for doing that,and the goal is to null any
anxious energy as well as anyanxiety that's in your nervous
(31:20):
system, and then, after that, tostart conditioning in the
positive, and so that'ssomething that we do at my
office, because I really believethat healing needs to be
holistic.
It isn't just a mind thing, itisn't just a body thing, it's a
whole thing.
And I'll give you an example itisn't even just a logical mind
(31:41):
thing.
When you think of the mind,it's also a spiritual thing.
But so how does it work?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's also a spiritual thing.
But so how does it work, yourtechnique?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah.
So in the first phase, after wedo the discovery, where we go
over all of your goals, wecreate that list of suggestions.
One of the things that we do iswe do a massage on your spinal
(32:11):
cord while focusing on theissues that you want to
eliminate.
So the goal in that phase is tonull the negative, to
desensitize you to where it nolonger triggers you, because a
lot of times, especially ifyou've experienced a lot of
trauma, instability, you knowshock what happens is that
you're always on edge, you'realways in fight or flight mode,
you're always thinking when isthe other shoe going to drop?
So our goal is to start nullingthat energy on the physical
(32:37):
level, at the nervous systemlevel, and then, after we
hypnotize you, we also startcoding in with the massager the
positive.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
It's like a hand massager.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yes, uh-huh, that's right, and so it's this whole
thing that we integrate into thehypnotherapy sessions, so that
you know, the healing is reallyon a dual level, on the mental
as well as the physical.
And, like I said before, Ireally do believe that when we
go to heal the mind, we're notjust healing just the logical
(33:11):
mind, but also the spiritual.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, yeah, it's almost like it's the mind, it's
the body and the spirit.
That's right.
That's right.
Have you seen also in lately,like, do you see a trend of
people sort of dealing with thesame issue?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
a trend of people sort of dealing with the same
issue.
So let me tell you there aretimes when there is just
something in the air andeverybody's coming in for the
same stuff.
It is the weirdest thing, butit really goes to show you how
we are all interconnected.
And so there have beendifferent timeframes where
people are coming in forinsomnia.
There are timeframes where, youknow, people are constantly
(33:49):
coming in for anxiety or to getpast sexual abuse that they
experienced as kids.
So, yes, it happens.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So what's happening now in the world?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Right now is a lot of anxiety.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
A lot of anxiety, a lot of insecurity, a lot of
people feeling unstable,especially after COVID.
You know, for a lot of peopleit created this feeling of oh my
God.
You know they never anticipatedCOVID happening.
For a lot of people there was alot of financial instability.
(34:24):
Then there was the shock of notknowing what that bug was, of
going into grocery stores andfinding them empty.
So that really messed with alot of people.
In fact, a lot of times I seepeople that they are continuing
to wear masks, even though it'snot even necessary, because
they're still functioning from aplace of fear.
(34:46):
And I really do believe thatthere's this collective trauma
that happened during that timeframe and that a lot of people
don't realize how much that timeframe impacted them.
You know a lot of people losttheir homes, especially like in
LA.
You know people like who havebeen impacted, for example, also
even by the strikes.
All of this, all of thesethings that have been happening
(35:08):
back to back, you know, inhumanity that is happening in
the world, all of that iscausing people to think what is
going on here, why are we in somuch darkness?
And for those people, one ofthe things that I say is that,
(35:28):
more than ever, we need to makesure that our light is shining
bright and, of course, that wedo everything we can to help
others and that we also justhold that space for healing, and
for collective healing andgrowth.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Sasha, thank you, I really want you to.
I would love to tryhypnotherapy with you, yes, so
hopefully we could do it.
Maybe I'll even record it andso I can show everyone how the
process works.
But thank you so much for yourtime and if anyone's listening,
if you're driving, you couldlook at it later.
But in the show notes I willput how to get in touch with
(36:10):
Sasha on Instagram, her websiteand, hopefully, your app.
When do you think your app willcome out?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
God willingly, in about two or three weeks.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Oh, that's great Okay good.
So keep looking.
I'll put all the information inthe show notes.
Thank you so much, Sasha.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Thank you.
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