October 27, 2025 • 42 mins
I'll be honest: when friends started telling me I "had to get my Human Design chart read," I was skeptical. Another personality test? But then I sat down with Emma Dunwoody, and everything changed.
Unlike every other profiling tool out there, Human Design doesn't ask you a single question. Instead, it reads your energetic blueprint based on the exact moment and place you were born. And here's what blew my mind: Emma saw things in my chart that I've felt my entire life but never had the language to express.
In this episode, Emma (behavioral specialist, Human Design expert, and author of Human Design Made Simple) breaks down exactly what Human Design is and why it's taking the personal development world by storm. We explore what Human Design actually is and how it differs from astrology, the five energy types and why knowing yours changes everything, and why so many of us feel exhausted because we're fighting against our natural design.
Whether you're Human Design curious or have no idea what any of this means, Emma makes it accessible, practical, and honestly... life changing. This conversation gave me permission to stop trying to be someone I'm not, and I have a feeling it'll do the same for you.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome to Redesigning Life.
I'm your host, Sabrina Soto, andthis is the space where we have
honest conversations aboutpersonal growth, mindset shifts,
and creating a life that feelstruly aligned.
In each episode, I'll talk toexperts in their field who share
their insights to help you stepinto your higher self.
Let's redesign your life fromthe inside out.
SPEAKER_01 (00:21):
Welcome back to Redesigning Life.
I am very excited about my guesttoday, Emma Dunworth Woody.
I was committed Emma Dunwoody,sorry.
So Emma, you are a human designcoach, a behavioral specialist.
You are one of the favoritevoices in blending spirituality
and self-awareness and science.
(00:44):
And lately, I feel like I'veheard human design thrown
around, especially at me andtelling me what I am.
I love the idea of human designbecause of what I do.
So I'm excited to have you on.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
SPEAKER_02 (00:59):
I'm super excited.
I'm really pumped to talk allthings human design and you
know, dive into your chart alittle bit too.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06):
This is gonna be fun.
So, Emma, for people that arefor the first time hearing the
term human design, can you boildown in like layman's terms
exactly what human design is?
SPEAKER_02 (01:18):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And just as an aside, thisliterally is my core talent in
my design.
So, you know, making and mybooks even human design made
simple.
So the way I like to talk abouthuman design and really help
people understand it is mostpeople understand personality
and behavioral profiling.
(01:38):
So perhaps you've done yourEnagram, you've done e-disc,
you've done Myers Briggs.
Now, when we do those profilingtools, we do that through
answering questions.
Okay?
So we're actually using themind.
So what we're doing is we'reanswering questions from a place
of who we think we are.
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So when we get the results,we're gonna have a gap.
We're gonna have a gap betweenwho we think we are and who we
really are, who we actually are.
Now, human design is theenergetic blueprint that sits
below our personality and ourbehavior.
So there's no gap.
It's actually energetically fromour DNA who we have been
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effectively designed to beenergetically in the world.
So then what happens from ourdesign is our personality, our
identity, our beliefs,everything will be informed from
our human design.
In many cases, we're playing alot of our shadows out, but
ultimately it's that blueprintthat sits underneath who we
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think we are.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
Okay, so let me get this straight because it's based
on where you're born, what time,and the date.
But how does just because I'mborn in, I was born in Miami, as
opposed to born in Australia,how does that change who my
personality?
SPEAKER_02 (03:02):
Okay, so the what the reason we take the birth
time and date is because this isa moment in time where there is
an energetic imprint made on us.
And it's made by these subatomicparticles called neutrinos.
Now, you can go and look upneutrinos, and there's a hundred
million dollar facility in Japanstudying neutrinos.
(03:23):
They're really important tounderstanding the universe.
But basically what they do, theyare so, so, so tiny, they move
through everything, all matter,um, without, you know,
interrupting that matter becausethey're so incredibly tiny.
But as they do, they literallytake parts of that matter.
So what happens is when we'reborn, we're actually imprinted
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with these neutrinos that atthat time are also dropping off
wherever the celestial bodiesare sitting in the universe,
they're dropping off that theme,they're dropping off a part of
that in us and imprinting us atbirth.
So this is how, you know, why itmatters, because it's really
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what we're doing is we'rereading an exact moment in time
and where everything was in theuniverse at that moment in time,
because it's it's giving us ablueprint of all the themes that
we've just been energeticallyimprinted with as we are birthed
into the world.
SPEAKER_01 (04:23):
So if some if I meet another Capricorn, another
person who was born on the exactsame day, the exact same
hospital, the exact same time,they would be very similar to me
in that sense.
I mean, or they would have to beidentical.
SPEAKER_02 (04:36):
They would, yeah.
If it was all exactly the same,I mean, we use twins as an
example.
So often twins are gonna havereally, really similar designs.
But the thing about human designis it's very intricate, it's
very, very complicated.
So what happens is that thereare some readings that go right
down to the exact minute.
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So a twin can be born, you know,a couple of minutes apart, and
most of their design will be thesame.
Sometimes it can be exactly thesame, but ultimately the moment
the minute changes, evensometimes the second changes,
um, no, the minute changes, thatthat can bring in a variance to
the chart.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (05:20):
Okay, so I was actually at coffee with two of
my friends yesterday who arereally into human design.
They're like, you have to getyour chart read.
So of course I went online and Idid the design, you know, the
the free, there's a million likefree calculators that you could
find.
And I was told that I'm agenerator.
So if somebody plugs it in andthey're told, I know there's a
manifestor generator, there's amillion like terms.
(05:42):
What does it all mean?
SPEAKER_02 (05:44):
Okay.
So as I said, human design canbe pretty complicated.
So one of the things that thatwe do is we want to start with
the macro.
We want to start with almostlike the biggest theme or
bucket, if you like.
I like to call it a bucket.
I don't know.
That's just who I am.
But that is your type, okay?
So when you first learn yourhuman design, you're gonna learn
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that you're one of there'stechnically four types and a
hybrid.
Some people will say there'sfive types.
Um, and this is kind of likethis is your aura.
So we now know, you know, peoplelike HeartMath, um, you know, a
lot of research has now told usthat we walk around in this
energetic bubble.
It's a torus field that comesfrom our heart and we call it
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our aura.
Now, our type in human design isliterally like the macro theme
of that aura.
So how our energy not only movesthrough the world, but how other
people experience our energy.
So we start with this thingcalled type.
So we have manifestors,generators, manifesting
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generators, which are ourhybrid, projectors and
reflectors.
And just at this macro level, itgives us some really simple yet
profound information about howwe are innately guided and how
our energy is actually designedto thrive.
SPEAKER_01 (07:07):
Okay.
And so once you normally get,you plug it all in, it sort of
tells you a little bit aboutyour personality type.
What does it feel like, I wouldsay, for somebody who
understands it to be, I don'tknow, like in alignment when you
find out what you are and youcould see kind of how you move,
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how you make decisions.
SPEAKER_02 (07:31):
I think the the biggest piece, you know, like
I've been doing this for many,many years now.
And I would have unpacked, oh myGod.
It could be thousands of chartsnow.
I've looked at that many charts.
And one of the things that Inever hear is, oh, that's a
surprise.
Well, oh, that's a surprise.
What I hear without fail is, ohmy God, thank you.
(07:54):
You just gave me a permissionslip to be me.
So what it feels like, and forme, I've been in my experiment
for uh, you know, since 2018, Ilive pretty much in alignment.
I've created a life that justflows.
It's almost like I just show up,I'm present, and I follow the
bouncing ball.
(08:15):
So in human design, we'd callthat strategy and authority.
But ultimately over the years, Ireally understand things from,
you know, what is my life'swork?
What is my purpose?
What are my superpowers?
How am I designed to makedecisions?
You know, how do I manage my ownenergy?
You know, what's too much?
What's too little?
How does my physical body wantto show up?
Where will it thrive?
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What does my digestion looklike?
You know, what what is going tomake my digestive system get the
most nutrition out of life?
What motivates me?
How do I actually see my world?
So now, you know, I don't reallythink about my design or my gene
keys much ever, but it's becauseI'm so, you know, I've
experimented now for many, manyyears, so I just trust the
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process.
The big piece for anyone who'sin alignment with their design
is you stop trying to be someonethat you're not.
You stop trying to be the personsomeone else needs you to be.
You know, things like peoplepleasing or, you know, operating
from fear, like all of thesethings start to fall away
because you really begin to seethat you as a unique individual
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are an incredibly importantpuzzle piece to the whole, you
know, universal or globalpuzzle.
And your role is to be thatauthentic version of you.
And when you are, then you'redoing everything you can not
only to serve self but to serveothers.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:39):
Okay, I have so many questions.
What's the difference?
And and I want to also get intowhy you got into this in the
first place.
But I think for okay, what isthe difference between human
design and gene keys?
Because I I know that people mayhave not even heard of gene keys
either.
SPEAKER_02 (09:56):
Yeah, so the the gene keys, um, which I use all
the time.
Um, so human design was birthedin 1988, okay?
And it was birthed by a personcalled Ra Uruhu or Alan.
Um, and when he launched, wantedto launch human design in the
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UK, he was American, um, thisguy, Richard Rudd, came along
and helped him launch um humandesign, bring human design to
the UK.
Now, ultimately over time,Richard Rudd did a bunch of
teaching, but he actually foundthat he started to be really
focused on what human designcalls the gates, which is is
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aligned to the Ai Qing, which isthe Chinese Book of Changes.
And he started to notice thatall this information on these
gates was coming through him.
So he actually said, Hey, thanksRa, but I'm gonna press pause on
human design, and I've gotsomething that really wants to
be birthed through me, whichultimately became the gene keys.
So the way that I've heard thetwo described, which I think is
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perfect, is it was actually mymentor Kim and Richard Rudd
talking about this on a podcast.
Human design is like themasculine, the structure, the
strategy.
It's it's gonna go deep into thenuances.
It's it's really the framework.
Um, and then the gene keys.
I mean, Richard himself is apoet.
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So when you read the gene keys,you know, it can feel like what?
Like, what?
But you have to just sit with itand listen and you're looking
for this resonance.
So it's like the feminine, it'slike the weather.
It's it's this other part of itthat brings a lot more depth.
You know, the gene keys looks atevery gene key or gate in human
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design from a perspective of ashadow, a gift, and acidic
state.
So a city is an enlightenedstate.
So it gives us, and for me as abehavioral coach, it gives you
the journey.
So it shows you, for example,um, I have gate 37 in my
personality sun in human design,and that's the 37th gene key.
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So what it tells me is it's theshadow of weakness, the gift of
equality, and the acidic stateof tenderness.
So, what that's helped me doover the years is really
identify my shadow behaviours,you know, in that that that that
shadow of weakness.
And it's also given me fullpermission to step into
equality, and like equalityreally is one of my number one
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values.
But even more than that,tenderness.
Because I grew up, you know,thinking that I had to be strong
and, you know, make thingshappen and you know, I'm a force
of nature.
But what it taught me over timewas actually that tenderness is
this this really elevated umenergy that sits in here in me.
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And I sat with it one day andI'm like, oh my God, I think
tenderness, tenderness is weak.
So I can see my shadow playingout, like stopping me stepping
into the highest expression ofmyself.
So it really helped me to ownthe truth about myself and let
go of who I had been conditionedto become or to be, and instead
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step into the superpowers thatare innately within me.
SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
But okay, so but astrology's been around forever
for a very, very long time.
And this is fairly new.
Mm-hmm.
So I I just I'm I'm like curiousas to s like two like a two men
came up with this theseteachings.
SPEAKER_02 (13:35):
Well, so here's the thing.
Yes, human design came in in1988, but it's actually the
synthesis, like themathematically mapped together
of four ancient wisdoms.
So Western astrology, the Hinduchakra system, the Kabbalah Tree
of Life, and the Aiching, theChinese Book of Changes.
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So these four ancient wisdomshave been mathematically mapped
together.
So that's it all together andput it into one.
Exactly.
Okay.
So often, like if you look atastrology, and I know this was
my challenge with astrology, itwas it was a bit hit and miss
because it would all depend onthe astrologer.
(14:17):
You know, it'll all depend onthe person who's reading the
information for you.
Um, and it can also, like,there's very wide
interpretations.
Whereas with human design, it'ssuper specific.
Like, you know, I know for forme personally, my my number one
talent, the number one thing I'mhere to do in the world, is to
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simple like simplify and umfacilitate breakthrough.
Like it's very, very specific.
So this is where you know humandesign kind of trumps everything
else because it's gonna getreally clear on what it is
specifically for you that youknow you're here to do.
And there's a lot of differentplaces and a lot of different
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superpowers.
Um, but yeah, the specificity isthe the real power of human
design.
SPEAKER_01 (15:04):
So can you you pulled my chart?
Yours is being uh is tosimplify.
Did you were you able to seewhat my gift would be?
SPEAKER_02 (15:13):
Yeah, so your gift is the the 32.
So the 32, um, the the shadow ofthe 32 is the fear of failure.
So there's this this part of youthat's deeply, and it's it comes
in as your core wound.
So you know, from a behavioralperspective, you might not be
able to find that definingmoment in your childhood that
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you went, oh my god, I'm afraidto fail.
It's something that literallyyou were born in with.
So it's this deep challenge.
Now, over time, and becauseyou're a 3-5 profile, so the the
line three learns through trialand error.
So as a kid, you would be likefalling down and getting back up
again and you know, like, youknow, innately kind of breaking
things and going, well, it's notalways going my way, but I know
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what works and what doesn'tbecause I've tried everything.
So hopefully, over the years,that fear of failure has almost
been um learnt out of youbecause the line three has to
learn through trial and error.
Um, or you still have this fearof um, you know, failure that
just shows up when you reallydon't want it to.
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Because ultimately, what yourgift is, is really to dive to
know what is the thing that isgoing to be progressed.
You actually have this wholechannel, it's called the channel
of ambition.
And the channel of ambition, andand in the shadow of this, you
know, it can be about self andgreed and you know, these really
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self-oriented things.
But the moment, and I wouldguess this is where you are now,
the moment that ambition isshifted to a place of meaning,
like, hey, this is reallyimportant.
This, this is, this is about,you know, the greater good, this
is about the collective, this isabout the tribe.
The moment you step you stepinto that, you have this very,
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you know, profound way ofknowing exactly what needs to be
progressed.
And the the truth is that whenyou know what that is, you
actually have a superhuman powerto expand and to grow anything
as long as it's aligned togreater meaning for you.
SPEAKER_01 (17:22):
Okay, wait, okay.
So, and uh Emma, like you haveto bear with me because I'm
gonna ask you just questions toclarify.
Because it's I love how yousimplify things, but I tell
people just like pretend you'retalking to a five-year-old
because you say that I have thisfear of failure, and yes, but I
can pinpoint exactly whathappened in my childhood that
created that.
(17:42):
But you're saying even if Ididn't have those situations in
my childhood that I canpinpoint, anybody that's born on
my day at my time in my hospitalwould feel this way.
SPEAKER_02 (17:53):
Yeah.
So that particular, because it'sour core wound, and this falls
into a specific part of thechart.
Um, this one, it's like, thinkof it this way: you came in with
it, and then your 3D childversion of you had an experience
to fully go, hey, there it is.
But it's actually before that.
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It was initiated before that,effectively in another lifetime.
It's something that you boughtin.
And it's the thing that thatwill create the diamond.
It's the thing that that overtime it becomes your core
talent.
Um, you know, it's the gifts,the gift of preservation.
So over time you learn, hey, I'mnot gonna worry about failure
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because a lot of things need tofall away for the right thing to
be evolved.
So, so this is how your gift,like how your specific diamond
is created.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, so okay.
SPEAKER_01 (18:50):
Now it's it's different than astrology, but
you're saying that that you'reborn into it because at that
time it's ingrained inside ofyou.
So no matter what, it's it'sscience.
SPEAKER_02 (19:03):
It's not yeah.
It's actually so when we look ata human design chart, if if
people are familiar, they'regonna see on the right hand side
there's a column that's got abunch of numbers and gifts on
it.
You're gonna see like all theastrology um um uh like icons.
And then on the left hand side,there's another list.
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Uh, there's another column.
The left-hand side in humandesign is what we call the
unconscious.
This is our vehicle.
It's innate, it's our soul, it'sour soul's purpose, it's um what
we actually in human design, wesay like this is our vehicle.
This is our physical body, butit's also our soul.
And it falls on that side of thechart.
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And that side of the chart isactually a reading that comes
from a moment in time that isabout three months before we're
born.
So it's like it's alreadyimprinted into you when your
soul comes into the body,because um, we believe there's
a, I mean, in human design wetalk about it, but it's not just
human design.
We believe that the the soulcomes into the body three months
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before we're born.
Um, and that's when your corewound kind of imprints.
Now you have loads of shadows.
We all have every single gate,so every time you look at your
chart and you see a number,there is a shadow.
There is a low expression, afear expression, and then there
is a love expression or a highexpression, or in the gene keys
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we call it the shadow, the gift,an acidic state.
So it's not like we just havethe one.
Um, you know, for you also, youryour life's work, like this, the
biggest energy for you, isactually it's a gate called the
gate of the joyous.
So for you, it really is there'sa big driver in you, and I
believe, just trying to rememberyour chart off the top of my
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head, that you have the wholechannel.
So you have this energy that isall about correction.
So you want to correct thethings that aren't working
because you want to experiencemore joy, not just for you, but
but for the collective.
But this gate of the joyous,everything in your design
filters out through the gate ofthe joyous.
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So it's always gonna have alittle bit of a sprinkle of, you
know, wanting to bring more joyto life.
Does that resonate with you?
SPEAKER_01 (21:20):
Yes.
Okay, okay, back to the wholetiming thing.
So again, bear with me.
I'm sorry.
Okay, it's all good.
So let's just say, so you'resaying that this was kind of
imprinted before I was born, butlet's say that I was born a
C-section and the nurse tookforever to get me out of the
belly or the doctor.
And so now I wasn't born at1018, I was born at 12, whatever
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the case may be.
So now the timing's off.
But you're saying that thishappened.
So can you explain to me thetiming, like how sometimes
there's human error or whateverthat changes the time that
you're born or your plan Csection.
So are you saying that that'sstill imprinted no matter what
when you take your first breath?
SPEAKER_02 (22:02):
Yes.
So from our perspective, likeall the misadventure, let's say,
is already known by the soul.
So the soul knows when to comein.
You know, us in the 3D reality,we're all banging around trying
to make things happen, butreally we live in a quantum
reality.
It's much bigger than that.
Time doesn't exist the way wethink it exists.
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You know, the moment is themoment, the past, the present,
the future.
So um, yeah, it doesn't matterwhat time you were born, it's
the time you are always going tobe born.
I'll give you an example.
SPEAKER_00 (22:33):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (22:34):
My my youngest son, for example, right?
So I actually had a miscarriagetwo years after my eldest.
And at the time I rememberthinking, oh, thank God, you
know, thank you, body, becauseI'm not ready.
And then when my second son wasborn two years later, um I kind
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of knew at the beginning, butthen over the years, I would
test with any sort of intuitive,anyone who muscle tests, anyone
that could get me a clearanswer, because I just felt that
the miscarriage I had was stillthis same child.
It was still Oscar, my baby.
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Now, the thing that's crazy whenyou look at Oscar's chart is,
and he was born by um, he wasborn by Emergency Caesarean.
So he didn't get to come out onhis timing.
So not only did he not come getto come in the first time, but
he also got taken out before hewas ready.
And then when you look at hischart, he has this huge, and
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even like his core wound is allabout timing.
It's all about him choosing wheninstead of other people telling
him when.
So when you actually, and I lovepatterns and I'm very into, you
know, what's the big, what'swhat's going on here.
So really like Oscar literallycame into this lifetime on
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everyone else's timing, and he'snow in this life learning to go,
you can all back up.
I'm gonna do things on my owntime because he's got to learn
that because ultimately it'll behow he helps and serves others.
SPEAKER_01 (24:12):
Emma, what?
I love that story.
Thank you for sharing that.
Um, uh, what how did you evenget into this?
SPEAKER_02 (24:19):
Yeah, so at the time I was a, you know, like a
performance coach.
I was working with the C-suite.
I had a my business was focusedon corporate leaders, I ran
workshops and I used otherbehavioral and personality
profiling tools.
And I was in a time of my lifewhere I had completely
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transformed my life.
I'd healed depression and panicdisorder.
Um, I had left an advertisingcareer, retrained as a master
coach, had this business growingon the side.
I had two kids.
Um, we'd moved from the countryto Sydney.
Like my whole life was likegoing the way I thought I wanted
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it to go, but I still felt likesomething was missing.
I felt, and and the the word Iused was purpose.
It's like now I know I'm on theright path, but there's
something specific that's that'sstill missing.
So I went off and walked an 800kilometer, so 500-mile
pilgrimage in Spain called theCamino to really try and find my
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purpose.
And I got to the end of it and Iwas like, okay, I feel like I
know myself better than I'veever known myself.
This is great, but I still feellike something's missing.
So I was like, universe, youjust, just whatever it is, make
it obvious, and I promise I'lldo it.
And when I got home, within a48-hour period, all of a sudden
this thing, human design, keptknocking at my door.
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Like I got emails, a friendasked me about it.
And back then no one was talkingabout human design.
And I'd been introduced to ittwice before, but I'm like,
yeah, I'm spiritual, but I'mtotally in the closet.
I'm not like taking this to myCEOs.
Like, uh, no, they're gonnathink you're crazy.
Exactly, right?
Um and you know, I didn't likethe language.
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Again, I'm a behavioral coach,so language is so important, and
the original knowledge is very,you know, negative and limiting
sort of limiting language.
So I put it down.
But then when it came to me, Iwas like, okay, I did promise
that I would follow this.
And I just googled like leadingexpert in human design in
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Australia, and this particularperson, and there was only one,
and she kind of trained with theoriginal human design teachers,
uh, and she lived 10 minutesaway from me.
So the next day I find myselfhaving coffee with this woman,
and I've never met her before inmy life, and she's reading my
chart, and she's seeing meclearer than anyone has ever
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seen me before.
She's languaging things thatI've felt inside since I was a
child, but I was never braveenough to say out loud.
So in that moment, I was like,okay, well, shit, this is it.
I have to commit to this.
And so I just committed torunning the experiment because
the other beauty of human designis it's not a dogma, it's an
experiment.
So that's what my book's.
SPEAKER_01 (27:13):
Because it's the second time you've said that.
SPEAKER_02 (27:14):
What does that mean?
It means that I'm not here totell you who you are.
Human design is not here to tellyou who you are, but it's going
to give you a framework.
And if you experiment with thatframework, all you've got to do
is go, is my life better or isit not?
Because if life's better, thengo for it.
Keep running with it, keepexperimenting, keep getting to
know yourself deeper.
If it's not, put it down.
(27:35):
Don't worry about it.
Just move on.
Okay.
So you start running with yourexperiment.
Yes.
And, you know, I remember askingmy first CEO, and I'm like, and
he's like the classic, you know,like he's in his, I think he was
like, you know, late 40s, youknow, running this, you know,
multi-million dollar, I thinklike like$100 million business,
(27:56):
um, you know, very straighty180.
And I was like, um, well, I'mworking with this new modality,
and I'm having a lot of success.
I'd really love to experimentwith it with you for a bit.
Would you mind?
And he's like, yeah, let's gofor it.
And I asked him for his birthtime and details.
And the crazy thing was, it wasalmost like I was waiting for
it.
I was waiting for him to saysomething.
(28:17):
He's like, yeah, here you go.
I was like, okay.
Like, didn't flinch.
Um, and then I startedintegrating and I initially was
really focused on leadership.
And I introduced it with all myleaders.
Not one of them flinched, andall their leadership, like they
they were already getting greatresults, but their leadership
transformed almost overnight,and their results and their
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teams transformed.
So that was when I was like,okay, this thing really works,
not just for me, but for others.
So as I experimented in my ownlife, I just followed the
bouncing ball.
So my pivotal moment was Ialready had a podcast, and I was
in the shower one day where Iget so many of my downloads,
(29:00):
like most people's.
Yeah, right.
Um, and I just hear in my mind,you've got to change the name of
your podcast to the Human DesignPodcast.
And my ego's like, no, I don't.
I don't know enough.
Who am I?
Like it goes off.
And then I realise, oh, I'm amanifesting generator.
(29:20):
I just had an insight, so Ican't act on it.
It's just mental energy.
I've got to wait for somethingout there to respond to.
And I think on some level I wasbeing a bit cocky, like, ha,
see, I can't act on it anyway.
And my ego was almost okay withthat.
And then the next day I was onthe phone to a mentor of mine
who I'd introduced human designto.
And he just said, Emma, you haveto do a podcast on this.
(29:44):
And I was like, What?
How did that just happen?
And of course, my whole body litup.
I slept on it because I'm anemotional authority.
That's how I make decisions.
And sure enough, I just gotgreen light, green light, green
light.
So I did it.
And I went from being theultimate hustler.
I worked so hard.
I pushed, I forced, I built, Idid all of those things to
(30:08):
moving into flow.
You know, my business, mybusiness leads me.
It tells me where we want to go.
Like what's the next project?
Even, you know, I think aboutwriting my book.
It just happened.
It just unfolded because Ifollowed my human design.
I followed my strategy andauthority.
You know, I know who I am.
I am authentically me.
Like if you meet me here or onthe street in Byron Bay, I'm the
(30:32):
same human because, you know,I've I've got rid of all that
conditioning that I was taught Ineeded to be, or who I needed to
be, or how I needed to act, oreven business, how I needed to
succeed in business.
And now I know none of you cantell me how I'm designed to
succeed.
I can help everyone else findout how they're designed to
succeed, and I know how I'mdesigned to succeed.
(30:55):
And that's really how, you know,my whole life has really
unfolded.
SPEAKER_01 (31:00):
I and now I'm like so curious to really dive into
my report because I wonder, I Ivery much empathize with what
you were talking about whenyou're saying that you're a
hustler because that's how Ifeel like I am.
But then sometimes am I, it'slike I feel like I push, push,
push, and then finally I get soexhausted, I let it all go, and
then it all comes in like a likea weave.
SPEAKER_02 (31:22):
Yeah.
So and the biggest thing for youis because you're a generator,
what you've got to really payattention to is the things that
you have energy for.
Now, what that means is becausemost generators, before they
come to human design, they'rejust saying yes to everything.
But you have like your gut knowsin every moment, yes, I have
(31:43):
energy for something.
Like you'll move towards it.
You'll nod.
You're like you're giving me asacred response right now, just
nodding at me.
Um, or no, I don't have energyfor it, and you'll back off or
whatever.
The biggest challenge for you isactually going with the clear
yes or no in the moment.
Because if you stay with the yesand you say no when it's a no,
(32:06):
what's gonna happen is you won'tburn out and you will actually
increase in energy.
You'll have more energy for thethings that you want to build.
Because ultimately, as agenerator, you're here to build.
And as you're building, and Ioften say building the new
paradigm, building the newworld, you're gonna develop a
mastery of the things that lightyou up.
(32:28):
And you specifically, becauseyou're a three, five profile,
you are here to share yourexperiences.
You're here to call out whatdoesn't work because you've
tried everything and you knowexactly what doesn't write it.
SPEAKER_01 (32:40):
I just finished writing my book, and in one of
the chapters I wrote that I havetried everything from talk
therapy to I drove to SanBernardino into a garage to get
beaten in the back of my headwith Besel for$121 because I
have tried it all.
SPEAKER_02 (32:55):
Exactly.
And that's why people are drawnto you.
They want to hear from you whatworks and what doesn't work, and
then you have this five in yourprofile.
And the five, and I actuallyhave a three-five profile like
you too.
So what happens is we go out, wehave all these experiences, we
discover what works and wediscover what doesn't work.
And then our line five wants towhat's called universalize it.
(33:18):
So we then, and the line five isall about impact and like global
impact.
Like these are not people thatwant to play small, they want to
play big.
And the line five wants to takeall these experiences and tell
everyone so that everyone elsecan learn from your experience.
And that line five is you know,a a friend of mine says it's
like, just give a line five amicrophone.
(33:39):
Like off you go, just give thema microphone.
They love a microphone, andthey're gonna tell you
everything that you need, likeall the solutions that you need
to, you know, to help you moveforward.
SPEAKER_01 (33:49):
Oh my gosh, I I could talk to you for hours.
So, Emma, now let's talk aboutyour book because you started
off saying that your whole thingis to simplify.
And I know that that your bookreally sort of makes this easy
for people to understand becauseI really have heard of human
design.
And when I got the report, whenI just saw it, it just seemed so
complicated.
(34:09):
So, can you talk to us a littlebit about your book?
SPEAKER_02 (34:12):
Yeah, sure.
So, and you know, you can goonto our website, so um
emadunwoody.com and get yourfree chart there.
SPEAKER_01 (34:20):
So, Emma Dunwoody, and for anyone listening, I will
have this in the show notes howto get in touch with Emma as and
her Instagram and all thegoodness.
SPEAKER_02 (34:30):
Yeah, because we actually the the the free report
and you could get a paid reportas well, is all simple language.
It's all a way, because myultimate goal, and this is the
goal of the book, is we want totake human design mainstream.
We want to take it out of thewoo, the esoteric, the
fluffiness, and we actually wantkids to have it when they go to
(34:51):
school.
Like my goal is that mygrandchildren will go to school
knowing their design, and that'show they'll be educated.
Because we're we're we're justnot designed to operate the same
as each other.
Um, so ultimately, what the bookis all about is giving you all
the macro that you need, andthen specifically stepping
through how to experiment witheach part of that.
(35:13):
So your type, and in uh as apart of your type, you have a
thing called a strategy.
So both you and I, um, you yourstrategy is to respond.
So a lot of your life, you wouldhave been taught, like I was,
you've got to go out andinitiate, you gotta go take
massive action, you gotta getstuff done.
But it's not true.
Most of the global populationare designed to respond in some
(35:36):
way.
So for you and I, we are waitingfor the sacral to go, yes, I
have energy for something.
So you might have inspiration oryour intuition tells you you
want to go in a direction, butyou don't act on it until
something in your external worldshows up and you're like, oh
yes, I have energy for that, andyou go for it.
So we start just byexperimenting at this top level.
(35:58):
Then the book goes intoauthority.
So human design talks aboutgetting out of our head when it
comes to decision making andinto the body.
We when we make um decisionsfrom the mind, so from thinking,
we're doing it from thesubconscious mind.
So it's accessing the past.
Okay, it's just like AI.
(36:18):
It's accessing the past, all theinformation, all the
experiences, everything it'sbeen told, and it makes a
decision from there.
But we actually want to make adecision from something greater,
like from the quantum field,which is the past, the present,
the future.
So what human design does is itteaches your you your own unique
way of making decisions.
(36:39):
So for you, it's sacral.
So it's all about yes, I haveenergy for this, or no, I don't.
And one of the big things to dois just to learn to go with a
yes, go with a no, and stopasking yourself why.
Yeah.
Because you don't need to knowwhy.
You just have to follow whatyou've got energy for.
So then again, the book is goingto take you through how exactly
(36:59):
to experiment with yourauthority.
Then we're going to talk aboutprofiles.
So everyone has two numbers intheir chart.
So you and I are both athree-five.
You could be a one-four.
Sorry.
You could be a one-four or asix-two.
And now that's going to give youthe next layer.
(37:21):
Now, these two numbers are goingto give you two of the most
significant themes in your life.
It's how you learn, it's how youteach, it's how you serve, it's,
you know, these significantthemes of how you move through
life.
So for you, you're theexperiential learner.
You're always experiencingthings.
And often for you, I alwaysremember people would say, Do
(37:44):
you have any questions?
And I would never have anyquestions about anything until
I'd had an experience of it.
The moment I've had anexperience of something, I'm
like, okay, I have 50 questions.
But you have to have theexperience.
Um, so once we understand thesetwo numbers, then we really
understand really how we movethrough life.
You know, a line one is theinvestigator.
(38:06):
They're all about details andknowledge, like just learning as
much as they can.
The two is the naturallytalented, or it's called the
hermit, but I call it the giftedchild.
These are the people that needto follow what comes easily.
The three we've covered, we'rethe experiential learners.
It's all about what does anddoesn't work.
Um, then the four is all aboutrelationships.
(38:28):
So these are the people thatlead from within.
Um everything comes throughtheir network.
Then we have the five, which isthe healer, the leader, the
power, um, and all about thesolutions.
And then we have the six, whichis the visionary.
So the visionary, uh, the linesix or the role model looks at
what everything that the one,two, three, four, five have
(38:50):
done, and then they're like,that's epic, but now I'm
visioning a new world, and theyinitiate um that cycle all over
again.
So then we just get toexperiment with our profile.
Now, as we're learning thesethings about ourselves, one of
the cool things is we start tolet go of what we're not.
And I'll give you a simpleexample for me personally,
(39:11):
because it might resonate withyou.
So, as at 3-5, I don't need toknow the details.
And one of the things that um Itried really hard on early in my
early entrepreneurial worlduntil I met human design, was I
was always trying to get all theT's crossed and the I's dotted.
(39:32):
And that's just not who I am.
Like I'm meant to be messy, I'mmeant to make mistakes, and I'm
a manifesting generator, sothere's more of that.
I'm meant to break things.
Um, so the moment we start tounderstand ourselves, we start
with type, we go to strategy,then we go into authority, then
we go into profile, then westart to understand our centers.
(39:53):
What's actually happening is notonly are we aligning to what is
correct for us, but we areletting go of what's not correct
for us.
So we're actually alsoreconditioning our subconscious
mind because when we knowsomething is true, like know it
in ourselves, it's much easierto let go of the unresourceful
or limiting beliefs andidentities and all of those sort
(40:15):
of things without all the heavylifting.
Because there's a lot of peopleout there spending so much time
on, you know, reprogramming orletting go of limiting beliefs.
And really, our focus is whatcreates our reality.
So if we know what we want tofocus on, so we're gonna focus
on our gifts, we're gonna focuson our superpowers, we're gonna
focus on the things that we'rehere to serve and how we move
(40:36):
through life, then we'reactually only gonna, when we hit
the speed hump, you know, whatis the limiting belief?
What is the fear?
We can just address it and thenmove on, you know?
So I think that's one of thethings I love about human design
and the gene keys as well.
It gets us out of this habitwe've created of constantly
looking at what we perceive iswrong with us.
(40:58):
By the way, there is nothingwrong with us, we are not
broken, and actually gives usthe opportunity to go, okay,
well, what am I focusing on?
What should I be focusing on?
Who am I really?
And the moment we feel it, it'slike you lock into the truth of
who you are.
SPEAKER_01 (41:12):
So once you can go to emadunwoody.com and you get
your numbers, the book will actalmost as an encyclopedia for
those numbers.
100%.
Great.
And it's got like all the gatesup the back, it's got all the
centers.
It's kind of like can I get thatbook in my hands?
SPEAKER_02 (41:29):
Yeah, well, quickly.
I think it's on Amazon, I think.
Great.
Um, so yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:35):
Um, Emma, I could talk to you for hours.
This has been so fascinating forme and such a powerful
conversation.
I'm so grateful that you joinedme.
Anyone who's listening, as Isaid, the podcast, the human
design podcast with Emma will bein the show notes, as well as a
link to her website and to thebook.
Um, please rate and reviewRedesigning Life to help these
(41:57):
conversations going.
Emma, this has been fantastic.
Thank you for also reading my,you know, getting me my chart.
I'm gonna download the book nowbecause I feel like that's gonna
be my homework tonight to figureout who the heck I am a little
bit better.
SPEAKER_02 (42:11):
Yeah, I love it.
And you know, the thank you.
Thank you so much for having me.
And ultimately, I just want toempower everyone to realize how
beautiful they are and howpowerful they are.
And really, once we all comeback to our authenticity, you
know, then then we're reallycreating a completely new world.
So I'm super excited for you toget the book, to dive in and
(42:32):
just see how epic you are.
SPEAKER_01 (42:34):
Oh my gosh, I will keep you posted.
My my my fellow three five.
Yeah, exactly.
Welcome to Redesigning Life.
I'm your host, Sabrina Soto, andthis is the space where we have
honest conversations aboutpersonal growth, mindset shifts,
and creating a life that feelstruly aligned.
In each episode, I'll talk toexperts in their field who share
their insights to help you stepinto your higher self.
Let's redesign your life fromthe inside out.
SPEAKER_01 (00:21):
Welcome back to Redesigning Life.
I am very excited about my guesttoday, Emma Dunworth Woody.
I was committed Emma Dunwoody,sorry.
So Emma, you are a human designcoach, a behavioral specialist.
You are one of the favoritevoices in blending spirituality
and self-awareness and science.
(00:44):
And lately, I feel like I'veheard human design thrown
around, especially at me andtelling me what I am.
I love the idea of human designbecause of what I do.
So I'm excited to have you on.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
SPEAKER_02 (00:59):
I'm super excited.
I'm really pumped to talk allthings human design and you
know, dive into your chart alittle bit too.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06):
This is gonna be fun.
So, Emma, for people that arefor the first time hearing the
term human design, can you boildown in like layman's terms
exactly what human design is?
SPEAKER_02 (01:18):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And just as an aside, thisliterally is my core talent in
my design.
So, you know, making and mybooks even human design made
simple.
So the way I like to talk abouthuman design and really help
people understand it is mostpeople understand personality
and behavioral profiling.
(01:38):
So perhaps you've done yourEnagram, you've done e-disc,
you've done Myers Briggs.
Now, when we do those profilingtools, we do that through
answering questions.
Okay?
So we're actually using themind.
So what we're doing is we'reanswering questions from a place
of who we think we are.
(01:59):
So when we get the results,we're gonna have a gap.
We're gonna have a gap betweenwho we think we are and who we
really are, who we actually are.
Now, human design is theenergetic blueprint that sits
below our personality and ourbehavior.
So there's no gap.
It's actually energetically fromour DNA who we have been
(02:23):
effectively designed to beenergetically in the world.
So then what happens from ourdesign is our personality, our
identity, our beliefs,everything will be informed from
our human design.
In many cases, we're playing alot of our shadows out, but
ultimately it's that blueprintthat sits underneath who we
(02:44):
think we are.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
Okay, so let me get this straight because it's based
on where you're born, what time,and the date.
But how does just because I'mborn in, I was born in Miami, as
opposed to born in Australia,how does that change who my
personality?
SPEAKER_02 (03:02):
Okay, so the what the reason we take the birth
time and date is because this isa moment in time where there is
an energetic imprint made on us.
And it's made by these subatomicparticles called neutrinos.
Now, you can go and look upneutrinos, and there's a hundred
million dollar facility in Japanstudying neutrinos.
(03:23):
They're really important tounderstanding the universe.
But basically what they do, theyare so, so, so tiny, they move
through everything, all matter,um, without, you know,
interrupting that matter becausethey're so incredibly tiny.
But as they do, they literallytake parts of that matter.
So what happens is when we'reborn, we're actually imprinted
(03:45):
with these neutrinos that atthat time are also dropping off
wherever the celestial bodiesare sitting in the universe,
they're dropping off that theme,they're dropping off a part of
that in us and imprinting us atbirth.
So this is how, you know, why itmatters, because it's really
(04:05):
what we're doing is we'rereading an exact moment in time
and where everything was in theuniverse at that moment in time,
because it's it's giving us ablueprint of all the themes that
we've just been energeticallyimprinted with as we are birthed
into the world.
SPEAKER_01 (04:23):
So if some if I meet another Capricorn, another
person who was born on the exactsame day, the exact same
hospital, the exact same time,they would be very similar to me
in that sense.
I mean, or they would have to beidentical.
SPEAKER_02 (04:36):
They would, yeah.
If it was all exactly the same,I mean, we use twins as an
example.
So often twins are gonna havereally, really similar designs.
But the thing about human designis it's very intricate, it's
very, very complicated.
So what happens is that thereare some readings that go right
down to the exact minute.
(04:59):
So a twin can be born, you know,a couple of minutes apart, and
most of their design will be thesame.
Sometimes it can be exactly thesame, but ultimately the moment
the minute changes, evensometimes the second changes,
um, no, the minute changes, thatthat can bring in a variance to
the chart.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (05:20):
Okay, so I was actually at coffee with two of
my friends yesterday who arereally into human design.
They're like, you have to getyour chart read.
So of course I went online and Idid the design, you know, the
the free, there's a million likefree calculators that you could
find.
And I was told that I'm agenerator.
So if somebody plugs it in andthey're told, I know there's a
manifestor generator, there's amillion like terms.
(05:42):
What does it all mean?
SPEAKER_02 (05:44):
Okay.
So as I said, human design canbe pretty complicated.
So one of the things that thatwe do is we want to start with
the macro.
We want to start with almostlike the biggest theme or
bucket, if you like.
I like to call it a bucket.
I don't know.
That's just who I am.
But that is your type, okay?
So when you first learn yourhuman design, you're gonna learn
(06:06):
that you're one of there'stechnically four types and a
hybrid.
Some people will say there'sfive types.
Um, and this is kind of likethis is your aura.
So we now know, you know, peoplelike HeartMath, um, you know, a
lot of research has now told usthat we walk around in this
energetic bubble.
It's a torus field that comesfrom our heart and we call it
(06:27):
our aura.
Now, our type in human design isliterally like the macro theme
of that aura.
So how our energy not only movesthrough the world, but how other
people experience our energy.
So we start with this thingcalled type.
So we have manifestors,generators, manifesting
(06:48):
generators, which are ourhybrid, projectors and
reflectors.
And just at this macro level, itgives us some really simple yet
profound information about howwe are innately guided and how
our energy is actually designedto thrive.
SPEAKER_01 (07:07):
Okay.
And so once you normally get,you plug it all in, it sort of
tells you a little bit aboutyour personality type.
What does it feel like, I wouldsay, for somebody who
understands it to be, I don'tknow, like in alignment when you
find out what you are and youcould see kind of how you move,
(07:29):
how you make decisions.
SPEAKER_02 (07:31):
I think the the biggest piece, you know, like
I've been doing this for many,many years now.
And I would have unpacked, oh myGod.
It could be thousands of chartsnow.
I've looked at that many charts.
And one of the things that Inever hear is, oh, that's a
surprise.
Well, oh, that's a surprise.
What I hear without fail is, ohmy God, thank you.
(07:54):
You just gave me a permissionslip to be me.
So what it feels like, and forme, I've been in my experiment
for uh, you know, since 2018, Ilive pretty much in alignment.
I've created a life that justflows.
It's almost like I just show up,I'm present, and I follow the
bouncing ball.
(08:15):
So in human design, we'd callthat strategy and authority.
But ultimately over the years, Ireally understand things from,
you know, what is my life'swork?
What is my purpose?
What are my superpowers?
How am I designed to makedecisions?
You know, how do I manage my ownenergy?
You know, what's too much?
What's too little?
How does my physical body wantto show up?
Where will it thrive?
(08:36):
What does my digestion looklike?
You know, what what is going tomake my digestive system get the
most nutrition out of life?
What motivates me?
How do I actually see my world?
So now, you know, I don't reallythink about my design or my gene
keys much ever, but it's becauseI'm so, you know, I've
experimented now for many, manyyears, so I just trust the
(08:59):
process.
The big piece for anyone who'sin alignment with their design
is you stop trying to be someonethat you're not.
You stop trying to be the personsomeone else needs you to be.
You know, things like peoplepleasing or, you know, operating
from fear, like all of thesethings start to fall away
because you really begin to seethat you as a unique individual
(09:21):
are an incredibly importantpuzzle piece to the whole, you
know, universal or globalpuzzle.
And your role is to be thatauthentic version of you.
And when you are, then you'redoing everything you can not
only to serve self but to serveothers.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:39):
Okay, I have so many questions.
What's the difference?
And and I want to also get intowhy you got into this in the
first place.
But I think for okay, what isthe difference between human
design and gene keys?
Because I I know that people mayhave not even heard of gene keys
either.
SPEAKER_02 (09:56):
Yeah, so the the gene keys, um, which I use all
the time.
Um, so human design was birthedin 1988, okay?
And it was birthed by a personcalled Ra Uruhu or Alan.
Um, and when he launched, wantedto launch human design in the
(10:17):
UK, he was American, um, thisguy, Richard Rudd, came along
and helped him launch um humandesign, bring human design to
the UK.
Now, ultimately over time,Richard Rudd did a bunch of
teaching, but he actually foundthat he started to be really
focused on what human designcalls the gates, which is is
(10:40):
aligned to the Ai Qing, which isthe Chinese Book of Changes.
And he started to notice thatall this information on these
gates was coming through him.
So he actually said, Hey, thanksRa, but I'm gonna press pause on
human design, and I've gotsomething that really wants to
be birthed through me, whichultimately became the gene keys.
So the way that I've heard thetwo described, which I think is
(11:04):
perfect, is it was actually mymentor Kim and Richard Rudd
talking about this on a podcast.
Human design is like themasculine, the structure, the
strategy.
It's it's gonna go deep into thenuances.
It's it's really the framework.
Um, and then the gene keys.
I mean, Richard himself is apoet.
(11:25):
So when you read the gene keys,you know, it can feel like what?
Like, what?
But you have to just sit with itand listen and you're looking
for this resonance.
So it's like the feminine, it'slike the weather.
It's it's this other part of itthat brings a lot more depth.
You know, the gene keys looks atevery gene key or gate in human
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design from a perspective of ashadow, a gift, and acidic
state.
So a city is an enlightenedstate.
So it gives us, and for me as abehavioral coach, it gives you
the journey.
So it shows you, for example,um, I have gate 37 in my
personality sun in human design,and that's the 37th gene key.
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So what it tells me is it's theshadow of weakness, the gift of
equality, and the acidic stateof tenderness.
So, what that's helped me doover the years is really
identify my shadow behaviours,you know, in that that that that
shadow of weakness.
And it's also given me fullpermission to step into
equality, and like equalityreally is one of my number one
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values.
But even more than that,tenderness.
Because I grew up, you know,thinking that I had to be strong
and, you know, make thingshappen and you know, I'm a force
of nature.
But what it taught me over timewas actually that tenderness is
this this really elevated umenergy that sits in here in me.
(12:53):
And I sat with it one day andI'm like, oh my God, I think
tenderness, tenderness is weak.
So I can see my shadow playingout, like stopping me stepping
into the highest expression ofmyself.
So it really helped me to ownthe truth about myself and let
go of who I had been conditionedto become or to be, and instead
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step into the superpowers thatare innately within me.
SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
But okay, so but astrology's been around forever
for a very, very long time.
And this is fairly new.
Mm-hmm.
So I I just I'm I'm like curiousas to s like two like a two men
came up with this theseteachings.
SPEAKER_02 (13:35):
Well, so here's the thing.
Yes, human design came in in1988, but it's actually the
synthesis, like themathematically mapped together
of four ancient wisdoms.
So Western astrology, the Hinduchakra system, the Kabbalah Tree
of Life, and the Aiching, theChinese Book of Changes.
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So these four ancient wisdomshave been mathematically mapped
together.
So that's it all together andput it into one.
Exactly.
Okay.
So often, like if you look atastrology, and I know this was
my challenge with astrology, itwas it was a bit hit and miss
because it would all depend onthe astrologer.
(14:17):
You know, it'll all depend onthe person who's reading the
information for you.
Um, and it can also, like,there's very wide
interpretations.
Whereas with human design, it'ssuper specific.
Like, you know, I know for forme personally, my my number one
talent, the number one thing I'mhere to do in the world, is to
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simple like simplify and umfacilitate breakthrough.
Like it's very, very specific.
So this is where you know humandesign kind of trumps everything
else because it's gonna getreally clear on what it is
specifically for you that youknow you're here to do.
And there's a lot of differentplaces and a lot of different
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superpowers.
Um, but yeah, the specificity isthe the real power of human
design.
SPEAKER_01 (15:04):
So can you you pulled my chart?
Yours is being uh is tosimplify.
Did you were you able to seewhat my gift would be?
SPEAKER_02 (15:13):
Yeah, so your gift is the the 32.
So the 32, um, the the shadow ofthe 32 is the fear of failure.
So there's this this part of youthat's deeply, and it's it comes
in as your core wound.
So you know, from a behavioralperspective, you might not be
able to find that definingmoment in your childhood that
(15:35):
you went, oh my god, I'm afraidto fail.
It's something that literallyyou were born in with.
So it's this deep challenge.
Now, over time, and becauseyou're a 3-5 profile, so the the
line three learns through trialand error.
So as a kid, you would be likefalling down and getting back up
again and you know, like, youknow, innately kind of breaking
things and going, well, it's notalways going my way, but I know
(15:58):
what works and what doesn'tbecause I've tried everything.
So hopefully, over the years,that fear of failure has almost
been um learnt out of youbecause the line three has to
learn through trial and error.
Um, or you still have this fearof um, you know, failure that
just shows up when you reallydon't want it to.
(16:20):
Because ultimately, what yourgift is, is really to dive to
know what is the thing that isgoing to be progressed.
You actually have this wholechannel, it's called the channel
of ambition.
And the channel of ambition, andand in the shadow of this, you
know, it can be about self andgreed and you know, these really
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self-oriented things.
But the moment, and I wouldguess this is where you are now,
the moment that ambition isshifted to a place of meaning,
like, hey, this is reallyimportant.
This, this is, this is about,you know, the greater good, this
is about the collective, this isabout the tribe.
The moment you step you stepinto that, you have this very,
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you know, profound way ofknowing exactly what needs to be
progressed.
And the the truth is that whenyou know what that is, you
actually have a superhuman powerto expand and to grow anything
as long as it's aligned togreater meaning for you.
SPEAKER_01 (17:22):
Okay, wait, okay.
So, and uh Emma, like you haveto bear with me because I'm
gonna ask you just questions toclarify.
Because it's I love how yousimplify things, but I tell
people just like pretend you'retalking to a five-year-old
because you say that I have thisfear of failure, and yes, but I
can pinpoint exactly whathappened in my childhood that
created that.
(17:42):
But you're saying even if Ididn't have those situations in
my childhood that I canpinpoint, anybody that's born on
my day at my time in my hospitalwould feel this way.
SPEAKER_02 (17:53):
Yeah.
So that particular, because it'sour core wound, and this falls
into a specific part of thechart.
Um, this one, it's like, thinkof it this way: you came in with
it, and then your 3D childversion of you had an experience
to fully go, hey, there it is.
But it's actually before that.
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It was initiated before that,effectively in another lifetime.
It's something that you boughtin.
And it's the thing that thatwill create the diamond.
It's the thing that that overtime it becomes your core
talent.
Um, you know, it's the gifts,the gift of preservation.
So over time you learn, hey, I'mnot gonna worry about failure
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because a lot of things need tofall away for the right thing to
be evolved.
So, so this is how your gift,like how your specific diamond
is created.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, so okay.
SPEAKER_01 (18:50):
Now it's it's different than astrology, but
you're saying that that you'reborn into it because at that
time it's ingrained inside ofyou.
So no matter what, it's it'sscience.
SPEAKER_02 (19:03):
It's not yeah.
It's actually so when we look ata human design chart, if if
people are familiar, they'regonna see on the right hand side
there's a column that's got abunch of numbers and gifts on
it.
You're gonna see like all theastrology um um uh like icons.
And then on the left hand side,there's another list.
(19:26):
Uh, there's another column.
The left-hand side in humandesign is what we call the
unconscious.
This is our vehicle.
It's innate, it's our soul, it'sour soul's purpose, it's um what
we actually in human design, wesay like this is our vehicle.
This is our physical body, butit's also our soul.
And it falls on that side of thechart.
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And that side of the chart isactually a reading that comes
from a moment in time that isabout three months before we're
born.
So it's like it's alreadyimprinted into you when your
soul comes into the body,because um, we believe there's
a, I mean, in human design wetalk about it, but it's not just
human design.
We believe that the the soulcomes into the body three months
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before we're born.
Um, and that's when your corewound kind of imprints.
Now you have loads of shadows.
We all have every single gate,so every time you look at your
chart and you see a number,there is a shadow.
There is a low expression, afear expression, and then there
is a love expression or a highexpression, or in the gene keys
(20:30):
we call it the shadow, the gift,an acidic state.
So it's not like we just havethe one.
Um, you know, for you also, youryour life's work, like this, the
biggest energy for you, isactually it's a gate called the
gate of the joyous.
So for you, it really is there'sa big driver in you, and I
believe, just trying to rememberyour chart off the top of my
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head, that you have the wholechannel.
So you have this energy that isall about correction.
So you want to correct thethings that aren't working
because you want to experiencemore joy, not just for you, but
but for the collective.
But this gate of the joyous,everything in your design
filters out through the gate ofthe joyous.
(21:13):
So it's always gonna have alittle bit of a sprinkle of, you
know, wanting to bring more joyto life.
Does that resonate with you?
SPEAKER_01 (21:20):
Yes.
Okay, okay, back to the wholetiming thing.
So again, bear with me.
I'm sorry.
Okay, it's all good.
So let's just say, so you'resaying that this was kind of
imprinted before I was born, butlet's say that I was born a
C-section and the nurse tookforever to get me out of the
belly or the doctor.
And so now I wasn't born at1018, I was born at 12, whatever
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the case may be.
So now the timing's off.
But you're saying that thishappened.
So can you explain to me thetiming, like how sometimes
there's human error or whateverthat changes the time that
you're born or your plan Csection.
So are you saying that that'sstill imprinted no matter what
when you take your first breath?
SPEAKER_02 (22:02):
Yes.
So from our perspective, likeall the misadventure, let's say,
is already known by the soul.
So the soul knows when to comein.
You know, us in the 3D reality,we're all banging around trying
to make things happen, butreally we live in a quantum
reality.
It's much bigger than that.
Time doesn't exist the way wethink it exists.
(22:22):
You know, the moment is themoment, the past, the present,
the future.
So um, yeah, it doesn't matterwhat time you were born, it's
the time you are always going tobe born.
I'll give you an example.
SPEAKER_00 (22:33):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (22:34):
My my youngest son, for example, right?
So I actually had a miscarriagetwo years after my eldest.
And at the time I rememberthinking, oh, thank God, you
know, thank you, body, becauseI'm not ready.
And then when my second son wasborn two years later, um I kind
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of knew at the beginning, butthen over the years, I would
test with any sort of intuitive,anyone who muscle tests, anyone
that could get me a clearanswer, because I just felt that
the miscarriage I had was stillthis same child.
It was still Oscar, my baby.
(23:16):
Now, the thing that's crazy whenyou look at Oscar's chart is,
and he was born by um, he wasborn by Emergency Caesarean.
So he didn't get to come out onhis timing.
So not only did he not come getto come in the first time, but
he also got taken out before hewas ready.
And then when you look at hischart, he has this huge, and
(23:38):
even like his core wound is allabout timing.
It's all about him choosing wheninstead of other people telling
him when.
So when you actually, and I lovepatterns and I'm very into, you
know, what's the big, what'swhat's going on here.
So really like Oscar literallycame into this lifetime on
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everyone else's timing, and he'snow in this life learning to go,
you can all back up.
I'm gonna do things on my owntime because he's got to learn
that because ultimately it'll behow he helps and serves others.
SPEAKER_01 (24:12):
Emma, what?
I love that story.
Thank you for sharing that.
Um, uh, what how did you evenget into this?
SPEAKER_02 (24:19):
Yeah, so at the time I was a, you know, like a
performance coach.
I was working with the C-suite.
I had a my business was focusedon corporate leaders, I ran
workshops and I used otherbehavioral and personality
profiling tools.
And I was in a time of my lifewhere I had completely
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transformed my life.
I'd healed depression and panicdisorder.
Um, I had left an advertisingcareer, retrained as a master
coach, had this business growingon the side.
I had two kids.
Um, we'd moved from the countryto Sydney.
Like my whole life was likegoing the way I thought I wanted
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it to go, but I still felt likesomething was missing.
I felt, and and the the word Iused was purpose.
It's like now I know I'm on theright path, but there's
something specific that's that'sstill missing.
So I went off and walked an 800kilometer, so 500-mile
pilgrimage in Spain called theCamino to really try and find my
(25:23):
purpose.
And I got to the end of it and Iwas like, okay, I feel like I
know myself better than I'veever known myself.
This is great, but I still feellike something's missing.
So I was like, universe, youjust, just whatever it is, make
it obvious, and I promise I'lldo it.
And when I got home, within a48-hour period, all of a sudden
this thing, human design, keptknocking at my door.
(25:46):
Like I got emails, a friendasked me about it.
And back then no one was talkingabout human design.
And I'd been introduced to ittwice before, but I'm like,
yeah, I'm spiritual, but I'mtotally in the closet.
I'm not like taking this to myCEOs.
Like, uh, no, they're gonnathink you're crazy.
Exactly, right?
Um and you know, I didn't likethe language.
(26:06):
Again, I'm a behavioral coach,so language is so important, and
the original knowledge is very,you know, negative and limiting
sort of limiting language.
So I put it down.
But then when it came to me, Iwas like, okay, I did promise
that I would follow this.
And I just googled like leadingexpert in human design in
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Australia, and this particularperson, and there was only one,
and she kind of trained with theoriginal human design teachers,
uh, and she lived 10 minutesaway from me.
So the next day I find myselfhaving coffee with this woman,
and I've never met her before inmy life, and she's reading my
chart, and she's seeing meclearer than anyone has ever
(26:51):
seen me before.
She's languaging things thatI've felt inside since I was a
child, but I was never braveenough to say out loud.
So in that moment, I was like,okay, well, shit, this is it.
I have to commit to this.
And so I just committed torunning the experiment because
the other beauty of human designis it's not a dogma, it's an
experiment.
So that's what my book's.
SPEAKER_01 (27:13):
Because it's the second time you've said that.
SPEAKER_02 (27:14):
What does that mean?
It means that I'm not here totell you who you are.
Human design is not here to tellyou who you are, but it's going
to give you a framework.
And if you experiment with thatframework, all you've got to do
is go, is my life better or isit not?
Because if life's better, thengo for it.
Keep running with it, keepexperimenting, keep getting to
know yourself deeper.
If it's not, put it down.
(27:35):
Don't worry about it.
Just move on.
Okay.
So you start running with yourexperiment.
Yes.
And, you know, I remember askingmy first CEO, and I'm like, and
he's like the classic, you know,like he's in his, I think he was
like, you know, late 40s, youknow, running this, you know,
multi-million dollar, I thinklike like$100 million business,
(27:56):
um, you know, very straighty180.
And I was like, um, well, I'mworking with this new modality,
and I'm having a lot of success.
I'd really love to experimentwith it with you for a bit.
Would you mind?
And he's like, yeah, let's gofor it.
And I asked him for his birthtime and details.
And the crazy thing was, it wasalmost like I was waiting for
it.
I was waiting for him to saysomething.
(28:17):
He's like, yeah, here you go.
I was like, okay.
Like, didn't flinch.
Um, and then I startedintegrating and I initially was
really focused on leadership.
And I introduced it with all myleaders.
Not one of them flinched, andall their leadership, like they
they were already getting greatresults, but their leadership
transformed almost overnight,and their results and their
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teams transformed.
So that was when I was like,okay, this thing really works,
not just for me, but for others.
So as I experimented in my ownlife, I just followed the
bouncing ball.
So my pivotal moment was Ialready had a podcast, and I was
in the shower one day where Iget so many of my downloads,
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like most people's.
Yeah, right.
Um, and I just hear in my mind,you've got to change the name of
your podcast to the Human DesignPodcast.
And my ego's like, no, I don't.
I don't know enough.
Who am I?
Like it goes off.
And then I realise, oh, I'm amanifesting generator.
(29:20):
I just had an insight, so Ican't act on it.
It's just mental energy.
I've got to wait for somethingout there to respond to.
And I think on some level I wasbeing a bit cocky, like, ha,
see, I can't act on it anyway.
And my ego was almost okay withthat.
And then the next day I was onthe phone to a mentor of mine
who I'd introduced human designto.
And he just said, Emma, you haveto do a podcast on this.
(29:44):
And I was like, What?
How did that just happen?
And of course, my whole body litup.
I slept on it because I'm anemotional authority.
That's how I make decisions.
And sure enough, I just gotgreen light, green light, green
light.
So I did it.
And I went from being theultimate hustler.
I worked so hard.
I pushed, I forced, I built, Idid all of those things to
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moving into flow.
You know, my business, mybusiness leads me.
It tells me where we want to go.
Like what's the next project?
Even, you know, I think aboutwriting my book.
It just happened.
It just unfolded because Ifollowed my human design.
I followed my strategy andauthority.
You know, I know who I am.
I am authentically me.
Like if you meet me here or onthe street in Byron Bay, I'm the
(30:32):
same human because, you know,I've I've got rid of all that
conditioning that I was taught Ineeded to be, or who I needed to
be, or how I needed to act, oreven business, how I needed to
succeed in business.
And now I know none of you cantell me how I'm designed to
succeed.
I can help everyone else findout how they're designed to
succeed, and I know how I'mdesigned to succeed.
(30:55):
And that's really how, you know,my whole life has really
unfolded.
SPEAKER_01 (31:00):
I and now I'm like so curious to really dive into
my report because I wonder, I Ivery much empathize with what
you were talking about whenyou're saying that you're a
hustler because that's how Ifeel like I am.
But then sometimes am I, it'slike I feel like I push, push,
push, and then finally I get soexhausted, I let it all go, and
then it all comes in like a likea weave.
SPEAKER_02 (31:22):
Yeah.
So and the biggest thing for youis because you're a generator,
what you've got to really payattention to is the things that
you have energy for.
Now, what that means is becausemost generators, before they
come to human design, they'rejust saying yes to everything.
But you have like your gut knowsin every moment, yes, I have
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energy for something.
Like you'll move towards it.
You'll nod.
You're like you're giving me asacred response right now, just
nodding at me.
Um, or no, I don't have energyfor it, and you'll back off or
whatever.
The biggest challenge for you isactually going with the clear
yes or no in the moment.
Because if you stay with the yesand you say no when it's a no,
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what's gonna happen is you won'tburn out and you will actually
increase in energy.
You'll have more energy for thethings that you want to build.
Because ultimately, as agenerator, you're here to build.
And as you're building, and Ioften say building the new
paradigm, building the newworld, you're gonna develop a
mastery of the things that lightyou up.
(32:28):
And you specifically, becauseyou're a three, five profile,
you are here to share yourexperiences.
You're here to call out whatdoesn't work because you've
tried everything and you knowexactly what doesn't write it.
SPEAKER_01 (32:40):
I just finished writing my book, and in one of
the chapters I wrote that I havetried everything from talk
therapy to I drove to SanBernardino into a garage to get
beaten in the back of my headwith Besel for$121 because I
have tried it all.
SPEAKER_02 (32:55):
Exactly.
And that's why people are drawnto you.
They want to hear from you whatworks and what doesn't work, and
then you have this five in yourprofile.
And the five, and I actuallyhave a three-five profile like
you too.
So what happens is we go out, wehave all these experiences, we
discover what works and wediscover what doesn't work.
And then our line five wants towhat's called universalize it.
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So we then, and the line five isall about impact and like global
impact.
Like these are not people thatwant to play small, they want to
play big.
And the line five wants to takeall these experiences and tell
everyone so that everyone elsecan learn from your experience.
And that line five is you know,a a friend of mine says it's
like, just give a line five amicrophone.
(33:39):
Like off you go, just give thema microphone.
They love a microphone, andthey're gonna tell you
everything that you need, likeall the solutions that you need
to, you know, to help you moveforward.
SPEAKER_01 (33:49):
Oh my gosh, I I could talk to you for hours.
So, Emma, now let's talk aboutyour book because you started
off saying that your whole thingis to simplify.
And I know that that your bookreally sort of makes this easy
for people to understand becauseI really have heard of human
design.
And when I got the report, whenI just saw it, it just seemed so
complicated.
(34:09):
So, can you talk to us a littlebit about your book?
SPEAKER_02 (34:12):
Yeah, sure.
So, and you know, you can goonto our website, so um
emadunwoody.com and get yourfree chart there.
SPEAKER_01 (34:20):
So, Emma Dunwoody, and for anyone listening, I will
have this in the show notes howto get in touch with Emma as and
her Instagram and all thegoodness.
SPEAKER_02 (34:30):
Yeah, because we actually the the the free report
and you could get a paid reportas well, is all simple language.
It's all a way, because myultimate goal, and this is the
goal of the book, is we want totake human design mainstream.
We want to take it out of thewoo, the esoteric, the
fluffiness, and we actually wantkids to have it when they go to
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school.
Like my goal is that mygrandchildren will go to school
knowing their design, and that'show they'll be educated.
Because we're we're we're justnot designed to operate the same
as each other.
Um, so ultimately, what the bookis all about is giving you all
the macro that you need, andthen specifically stepping
through how to experiment witheach part of that.
(35:13):
So your type, and in uh as apart of your type, you have a
thing called a strategy.
So both you and I, um, you yourstrategy is to respond.
So a lot of your life, you wouldhave been taught, like I was,
you've got to go out andinitiate, you gotta go take
massive action, you gotta getstuff done.
But it's not true.
Most of the global populationare designed to respond in some
(35:36):
way.
So for you and I, we are waitingfor the sacral to go, yes, I
have energy for something.
So you might have inspiration oryour intuition tells you you
want to go in a direction, butyou don't act on it until
something in your external worldshows up and you're like, oh
yes, I have energy for that, andyou go for it.
So we start just byexperimenting at this top level.
(35:58):
Then the book goes intoauthority.
So human design talks aboutgetting out of our head when it
comes to decision making andinto the body.
We when we make um decisionsfrom the mind, so from thinking,
we're doing it from thesubconscious mind.
So it's accessing the past.
Okay, it's just like AI.
(36:18):
It's accessing the past, all theinformation, all the
experiences, everything it'sbeen told, and it makes a
decision from there.
But we actually want to make adecision from something greater,
like from the quantum field,which is the past, the present,
the future.
So what human design does is itteaches your you your own unique
way of making decisions.
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So for you, it's sacral.
So it's all about yes, I haveenergy for this, or no, I don't.
And one of the big things to dois just to learn to go with a
yes, go with a no, and stopasking yourself why.
Yeah.
Because you don't need to knowwhy.
You just have to follow whatyou've got energy for.
So then again, the book is goingto take you through how exactly
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to experiment with yourauthority.
Then we're going to talk aboutprofiles.
So everyone has two numbers intheir chart.
So you and I are both athree-five.
You could be a one-four.
Sorry.
You could be a one-four or asix-two.
And now that's going to give youthe next layer.
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Now, these two numbers are goingto give you two of the most
significant themes in your life.
It's how you learn, it's how youteach, it's how you serve, it's,
you know, these significantthemes of how you move through
life.
So for you, you're theexperiential learner.
You're always experiencingthings.
And often for you, I alwaysremember people would say, Do
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you have any questions?
And I would never have anyquestions about anything until
I'd had an experience of it.
The moment I've had anexperience of something, I'm
like, okay, I have 50 questions.
But you have to have theexperience.
Um, so once we understand thesetwo numbers, then we really
understand really how we movethrough life.
You know, a line one is theinvestigator.
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They're all about details andknowledge, like just learning as
much as they can.
The two is the naturallytalented, or it's called the
hermit, but I call it the giftedchild.
These are the people that needto follow what comes easily.
The three we've covered, we'rethe experiential learners.
It's all about what does anddoesn't work.
Um, then the four is all aboutrelationships.
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So these are the people thatlead from within.
Um everything comes throughtheir network.
Then we have the five, which isthe healer, the leader, the
power, um, and all about thesolutions.
And then we have the six, whichis the visionary.
So the visionary, uh, the linesix or the role model looks at
what everything that the one,two, three, four, five have
(38:50):
done, and then they're like,that's epic, but now I'm
visioning a new world, and theyinitiate um that cycle all over
again.
So then we just get toexperiment with our profile.
Now, as we're learning thesethings about ourselves, one of
the cool things is we start tolet go of what we're not.
And I'll give you a simpleexample for me personally,
(39:11):
because it might resonate withyou.
So, as at 3-5, I don't need toknow the details.
And one of the things that um Itried really hard on early in my
early entrepreneurial worlduntil I met human design, was I
was always trying to get all theT's crossed and the I's dotted.
(39:32):
And that's just not who I am.
Like I'm meant to be messy, I'mmeant to make mistakes, and I'm
a manifesting generator, sothere's more of that.
I'm meant to break things.
Um, so the moment we start tounderstand ourselves, we start
with type, we go to strategy,then we go into authority, then
we go into profile, then westart to understand our centers.
(39:53):
What's actually happening is notonly are we aligning to what is
correct for us, but we areletting go of what's not correct
for us.
So we're actually alsoreconditioning our subconscious
mind because when we knowsomething is true, like know it
in ourselves, it's much easierto let go of the unresourceful
or limiting beliefs andidentities and all of those sort
(40:15):
of things without all the heavylifting.
Because there's a lot of peopleout there spending so much time
on, you know, reprogramming orletting go of limiting beliefs.
And really, our focus is whatcreates our reality.
So if we know what we want tofocus on, so we're gonna focus
on our gifts, we're gonna focuson our superpowers, we're gonna
focus on the things that we'rehere to serve and how we move
(40:36):
through life, then we'reactually only gonna, when we hit
the speed hump, you know, whatis the limiting belief?
What is the fear?
We can just address it and thenmove on, you know?
So I think that's one of thethings I love about human design
and the gene keys as well.
It gets us out of this habitwe've created of constantly
looking at what we perceive iswrong with us.
(40:58):
By the way, there is nothingwrong with us, we are not
broken, and actually gives usthe opportunity to go, okay,
well, what am I focusing on?
What should I be focusing on?
Who am I really?
And the moment we feel it, it'slike you lock into the truth of
who you are.
SPEAKER_01 (41:12):
So once you can go to emadunwoody.com and you get
your numbers, the book will actalmost as an encyclopedia for
those numbers.
100%.
Great.
And it's got like all the gatesup the back, it's got all the
centers.
It's kind of like can I get thatbook in my hands?
SPEAKER_02 (41:29):
Yeah, well, quickly.
I think it's on Amazon, I think.
Great.
Um, so yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:35):
Um, Emma, I could talk to you for hours.
This has been so fascinating forme and such a powerful
conversation.
I'm so grateful that you joinedme.
Anyone who's listening, as Isaid, the podcast, the human
design podcast with Emma will bein the show notes, as well as a
link to her website and to thebook.
Um, please rate and reviewRedesigning Life to help these
(41:57):
conversations going.
Emma, this has been fantastic.
Thank you for also reading my,you know, getting me my chart.
I'm gonna download the book nowbecause I feel like that's gonna
be my homework tonight to figureout who the heck I am a little
bit better.
SPEAKER_02 (42:11):
Yeah, I love it.
And you know, the thank you.
Thank you so much for having me.
And ultimately, I just want toempower everyone to realize how
beautiful they are and howpowerful they are.
And really, once we all comeback to our authenticity, you
know, then then we're reallycreating a completely new world.
So I'm super excited for you toget the book, to dive in and
(42:32):
just see how epic you are.
SPEAKER_01 (42:34):
Oh my gosh, I will keep you posted.
My my my fellow three five.
Yeah, exactly.
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