April 28, 2025 • 11 mins
In this unedited, behind-the-scenes conversation, Queer Eye design expert Bobby Berk joins Sabrina to explore the transformative power of design, drawing on their two-decade friendship as the backdrop for candid revelations. Bobby shares how saying "yes" to designing show homes without formal training launched his career trajectory, discussing the art of genuine skill development behind "faking it till you make it" while acknowledging the imposter syndrome they both experience despite their success.
Bobby's insights from his book "Right at Home" illuminate how thoughtfully designed spaces profoundly impact mental wellbeing, explaining that organization creates mental clarity while disorganized environments trigger cascading negative effects throughout your day. From practical solutions like decorative trays to encouraging authentic personal aesthetics over trends, this rare conversation captures how our physical environments shape our potential for success and happiness—revealing why good design matters far beyond appearances.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to a special edition of Redesigning Life.
Many of you know I have a newshow called the Sabrina Soto
Show Out and I was able toinvite amazing experts in their
fields just to come in and havegreat conversation.
But because it's a show, wehave to edit it down.
Now, these conversations, theywere so good that I wanted to
(00:20):
publish the raw, uneditedversion, and that's what this
episode is.
You're going to hear action andyou may hear a crew in the
background, but I wanted topublish this so you can really
listen to the entire chat.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So here, you go Ready .
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Okay, and action.
Bobby Sabrina, I would say likewelcome to my home, but you've
been here before.
Come here.
Yeah, are you at AuntieSabrina's house?
Yeah, Bobby, how long have webeen friends?
Since A long time.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Almost two decades.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, almost two decades.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, almost two decades.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I cannot tell you, I really can't tell you, how proud
I am of you, what you'veaccomplished, how far you've
come.
But what I love about you andyou were on my podcast is you're
such a hustler.
I think people don't know likeyou have had so many different
careers.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, when you were in the hotel, like toiletry
business, yeah, hotel toiletries, I mean retail restaurants, you
know I just I always say peopleare like how did you get into?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
design I'm like.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I kind of just fell into it.
You know it was I was workingretail, I was retail management
and I was working retail, I wasretail management and I was
lucky enough to get some retailmanagement jobs in home decor
stores and I really loved it andit was the first time I was
really enjoying working retail.
And so, long story short, fromretailer to retailer, I ended up
then starting my own, Firstonline and then brick and mortar
(01:39):
stores.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I remember Bobby actually hosted my book launch
party.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, your book launch party Back in 2011.
My launch party yeah, your booklaunch party Back in 2011.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
My Atlanta store.
Yeah, in Atlanta and New Yorktoo.
No, just Atlanta.
But, I went to your New Yorkstore all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I feel like that was the very first time we met was
in my store for an event.
Years and years and years.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So, like looking back at your career, it's wild.
I'm going to tell you anotherstory.
I've never talked to you aboutthis.
So I went to Las Vegas for likea furniture convention or
whatever.
It's like a convention for allthe designers, and you had an
appearance and I've hadappearances before.
So I'm like, oh, I'm just goingto go and say hi.
First of all, there werehundreds of people in line to
(02:21):
meet you, but I would.
I was like, oh, I'll just gosee, because 20 people show up
for me.
So I'm like I'll just wait tillthe line goes, and I was like
this I can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
It's so awesome.
Was that in Vegas or in HighPoint?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
No, it was in Vegas Vegas.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
God, that was like years ago.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Years ago.
But I'm just so proud of you.
So, looking back in your life,what do you think you've taken
from how?
How many times you've sort ofhad to reinvent yourself?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I mean quite a few, quite a few.
You know.
First it was, you know, workingrestaurants and retail, and
then you know, taking it till Imake it, you know, taking those
taking those artistic libertieson my my resume yeah you know
people would always be like, oh,you need to stay at the same
job and work your way up.
I'm like, no, no, you need toget that job, you need to get
that next title.
And you know I would embellish,take those artistic liberties a
(03:05):
little bit.
I'd get the next bigger job,but I would always never take
off.
I would never bite offsomething that I couldn't chew,
even though it was a job that Ihadn't done before, even though
it was something that I didn'tknow how to do.
I would teach myself.
You know, the moral of thestory is never say no.
Well, no, learn to say no, butnever say no when it's an
(03:26):
opportunity, just like literally.
The very first house I everdesigned was for the
International Builder Show.
Builder Magazine called me todesign the show homes for the
International Builder Show and Iwas a retailer.
I had furniture stores all overthe US, but I wasn't an
interior designer.
I would help my customers pickout stuff for their homes.
I would go to their homessometimes and help them lay
everything out, but I wasn'tdoing construction documents.
I wasn't doing electricalplants.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I wasn't building houses.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So they called me and they're like you know, we want
you, from top to bottom,everything to design these homes
.
And I was like yes, even thoughI was like I have no idea.
No idea, I still don't know howto use CAD.
I have a lot of talented peopleon my team that do and so you
know, I was just like yes, I'lldo it.
And I got on Google, I got onYouTube.
I, you know, I manipulated thefloor plans and stuff in
(04:13):
Photoshop because I didn't knowhow to use CAD and I taught
myself how to do it.
I made it work.
And if I had said no to thatopportunity because I didn't do
it, yeah, I wouldn't be hereright now, I wouldn't have
started a design firm, becauseafter that I was like, oh, this
is a lot of fun, I'm going tostart a design firm now.
And so that's when I started mydesign firm and I wouldn't have
(04:33):
been on Queer Eye, none of that.
Literally, at that moment I hadsaid no.
My life.
That one yes completely.
I never really thought aboutthat.
That one yes completely changedthe trajectory of my life.
And if I had said no, because Iwas scared of not knowing how
to do it.
I would have done it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I've never told this story, but when I got hired for
my first job on HGTV, I had noidea what I was doing.
And I get on set and they hadthe camera crew and they were
like okay, go ahead and startpainting this room.
We'll get a time lapse, whichmeans they're just going to
speed it up.
You know, for the show I'dnever painted a room before.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So I'm like no, no, I'm a designer, I'm not a
painter.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
First of all, I wasn't really a designer either.
Talk about fake it till youmake it.
So I'm like painting.
But you know what I did everynight?
Because I didn't know anyone, Ithey shot where, like in DC and
I lived in LA at the time Iwould get off work and every
night I would read books aboutdesigning.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, cause there was no YouTube back then.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
No, there was no YouTube.
I think that we need to talkabout the faking it till you
make it, because I think a lotof people watching want to
change careers, want to reinventthemselves, but they say no
because they're like well, Idon't know how to do it yet, but
take the opportunity and thenlearn while you're taking the
opportunity.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yes, you know a lot of people are like, oh well,
faking it till you make it,you're a fraud.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Not necessarily, but didn't you feel like an imposter
?
Because I did.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Oh, I still do.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I still do.
But don't take off somethingthat you've got to put the hard
work in.
If you're going to fake it tillyou make it, you've got to put
the hard work in to make it.
You can't just fake it andcoast and then oh well, that
didn't work out.
Then move on to fake it tosomething else, because that is
a hustler, that is a fraud.
So if you're going to fake ittill you make it, you've got to
hustle, you've got to put in thework to really teach yourself
(06:12):
that thing that you start offfaking.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I love that, I love that.
Okay, so you know you're adesigner, obviously, and I was
kind of nervous to have you atthe house.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean, it has been nine years since I've been here.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I know.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It has been a while.
I've been in LA for nine years.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Olivia just turned nine and she was a baby when you
first came here.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Literally crying over there on the counter.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You made her cry I did.
You did, I did, I would havedone that if you needed, but I,
you know, I think that there area few places I need help with.
I'm not too proud to beg, but Iknow that you have certain
areas of a house that you thinkpeople should focus on.
What are they?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You know, organization.
That's to me the biggest thing.
You know I, my book is calledright at home, right at home.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
What's your book called Jesus, fake it.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, my book is called Fake it Till you Fucking
Make it.
My book is called Right at Homehow Good Design is Good for the
Mind, and it's not about, oh,here's a bunch of pretty
pictures of how you should doyour house.
It's about getting into thepsyche of why you should do your
house this way, and the firstchapter is talking about
figuring out what your designaesthetic is, even though I
don't even like to use the termdesign aesthetic.
Why?
(07:23):
Because it's not about, oh, I'mfarmhouse modern, or oh, I'm
French country, or this I'm like.
It's all about finding thethings that make you happy.
And if that is a mixture ofthings, that's fine, that's
totally fine.
It's all about accepting whatyou love and not worrying about
what other people think.
But one of the chapters is allabout organization, mental
health and how chaos around youcreates chaos in your mind.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I could not agree more.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I'm a Virgo, I have ADD, I have autism.
It's too much for me, yeah, andso I have to have my home
organized, and one of the thingsand I sat down and instantly
loved is trays.
Trays are my favorite thing.
You sent me a beautiful leathertray that is literally on my
entrance where you keep yourkeys.
I keep mine in my littleSabrina Soto leather tray.
(08:06):
You know, for me it's a placefor everything and everything in
its place, and so what I loveabout the way you styled your
coffee table slash ottoman isthe things that you styled are
on a tray, so they lookbeautiful, they're spaced
perfectly.
But if you want to come in here, and pick up my feet, yeah.
I need to get up Each littlething.
You take the whole tray up andwhen you're done you put the
(08:27):
whole tray back and it's stillperfect.
I love a tray.
If you want to have your dinnerhere.
Trays, trays, trays, trays fordays.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Trays for days.
I love that.
Trays for days, honey.
Sometimes, when we've walkedinto hundreds of homes, I
consider myself like a psychicdesigner, because I could walk
into a home and tell what'sgoing on in that family's
dynamic.
Do you too?
Yes, right, like chaos equalsissues Right.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I could walk in and I could instantly tell if
somebody was struggling withdepression.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I would walk into the room and I would see piles of
clothes and I'm like and I youknow it's not always a telltale
sign, but you know, I would saythat pile of laundry can set you
up for failure or success, foryour entire day, for your entire
career.
People are like what?
That's a little dramatic.
I'm like well, think about it.
You go to bed at night and yousee that pile of laundry that
you told yourself that day youwere going to accomplish, you
(09:13):
were going to clean, you weregoing to put it away and you
didn't.
And you're like that's not up.
The very first thing you see isthat pile of laundry that you
did not accomplish and you did.
The very first mindset you haveis seeing your failures.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
You let yourself down .
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yes, I let myself down.
And then when you get to work,it's just a little easier to not
accomplish your goals again,because you're, like I, started
out my day being okay with nothaving accomplished just a
little thing and it can snowball.
It's not about the laundry.
It's not about the laundry.
It is about the way it makesyou feel mentally when you
accomplish it or when you don't.
(09:53):
Allowing yourself not toaccomplish those little things
that you've told yourself you'regoing to do gives yourself
permission to allow yourself tonot accomplish the bigger things
you want to do.
You become complacent and youbecome okay with not achieving
your goals.
And it all started with alittle pile of laundry.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
That's deep, bobby, I like that.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Did you know that a disorganized medicine cabinet
can cause road rage?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
What Is that true?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yes.
So let's say you get thisbeautiful new face cream it's in
a glass jar, as it should beand you go to put it in your
cabinet in your bathroom and thecabinet's full of crap because
you haven't thrown away all theold stuff.
You keep saying you're going tothrow away and so you're like
here's a little spot for you andyou shove it in there and you
go to bed and the next morningyou're like I'm so excited to
(10:39):
look so young.
And you open up the cabinet andit falls out and it shatters
everywhere.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Ooh yeah, that would be horrible, and you're pissed.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So by the time you get down here with Olivia, she's
annoying you a little more.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And I have a wrinkle.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
By the time you get on the road, that person that
cut you off, that was the laststraw and it was all because
your cabinet was disorganized.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Good Lord, that's a lot, I'm not going to lie.
That's a little dramatic, bobby, seriously, thank you so much
for being on the show.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I love hanging out with you always.
Welcome to a special edition of Redesigning Life.
Many of you know I have a newshow called the Sabrina Soto
Show Out and I was able toinvite amazing experts in their
fields just to come in and havegreat conversation.
But because it's a show, wehave to edit it down.
Now, these conversations, theywere so good that I wanted to
(00:20):
publish the raw, uneditedversion, and that's what this
episode is.
You're going to hear action andyou may hear a crew in the
background, but I wanted topublish this so you can really
listen to the entire chat.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So here, you go Ready .
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Okay, and action.
Bobby Sabrina, I would say likewelcome to my home, but you've
been here before.
Come here.
Yeah, are you at AuntieSabrina's house?
Yeah, Bobby, how long have webeen friends?
Since A long time.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Almost two decades.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, almost two decades.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, almost two decades.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I cannot tell you, I really can't tell you, how proud
I am of you, what you'veaccomplished, how far you've
come.
But what I love about you andyou were on my podcast is you're
such a hustler.
I think people don't know likeyou have had so many different
careers.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, when you were in the hotel, like toiletry
business, yeah, hotel toiletries, I mean retail restaurants, you
know I just I always say peopleare like how did you get into?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
design I'm like.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I kind of just fell into it.
You know it was I was workingretail, I was retail management
and I was working retail, I wasretail management and I was
lucky enough to get some retailmanagement jobs in home decor
stores and I really loved it andit was the first time I was
really enjoying working retail.
And so, long story short, fromretailer to retailer, I ended up
then starting my own, Firstonline and then brick and mortar
(01:39):
stores.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I remember Bobby actually hosted my book launch
party.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, your book launch party Back in 2011.
My launch party yeah, your booklaunch party Back in 2011.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
My Atlanta store.
Yeah, in Atlanta and New Yorktoo.
No, just Atlanta.
But, I went to your New Yorkstore all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I feel like that was the very first time we met was
in my store for an event.
Years and years and years.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So, like looking back at your career, it's wild.
I'm going to tell you anotherstory.
I've never talked to you aboutthis.
So I went to Las Vegas for likea furniture convention or
whatever.
It's like a convention for allthe designers, and you had an
appearance and I've hadappearances before.
So I'm like, oh, I'm just goingto go and say hi.
First of all, there werehundreds of people in line to
(02:21):
meet you, but I would.
I was like, oh, I'll just gosee, because 20 people show up
for me.
So I'm like I'll just wait tillthe line goes, and I was like
this I can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
It's so awesome.
Was that in Vegas or in HighPoint?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
No, it was in Vegas Vegas.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
God, that was like years ago.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Years ago.
But I'm just so proud of you.
So, looking back in your life,what do you think you've taken
from how?
How many times you've sort ofhad to reinvent yourself?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I mean quite a few, quite a few.
You know.
First it was, you know, workingrestaurants and retail, and
then you know, taking it till Imake it, you know, taking those
taking those artistic libertieson my my resume yeah you know
people would always be like, oh,you need to stay at the same
job and work your way up.
I'm like, no, no, you need toget that job, you need to get
that next title.
And you know I would embellish,take those artistic liberties a
(03:05):
little bit.
I'd get the next bigger job,but I would always never take
off.
I would never bite offsomething that I couldn't chew,
even though it was a job that Ihadn't done before, even though
it was something that I didn'tknow how to do.
I would teach myself.
You know, the moral of thestory is never say no.
Well, no, learn to say no, butnever say no when it's an
(03:26):
opportunity, just like literally.
The very first house I everdesigned was for the
International Builder Show.
Builder Magazine called me todesign the show homes for the
International Builder Show and Iwas a retailer.
I had furniture stores all overthe US, but I wasn't an
interior designer.
I would help my customers pickout stuff for their homes.
I would go to their homessometimes and help them lay
everything out, but I wasn'tdoing construction documents.
I wasn't doing electricalplants.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I wasn't building houses.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So they called me and they're like you know, we want
you, from top to bottom,everything to design these homes
.
And I was like yes, even thoughI was like I have no idea.
No idea, I still don't know howto use CAD.
I have a lot of talented peopleon my team that do and so you
know, I was just like yes, I'lldo it.
And I got on Google, I got onYouTube.
I, you know, I manipulated thefloor plans and stuff in
(04:13):
Photoshop because I didn't knowhow to use CAD and I taught
myself how to do it.
I made it work.
And if I had said no to thatopportunity because I didn't do
it, yeah, I wouldn't be hereright now, I wouldn't have
started a design firm, becauseafter that I was like, oh, this
is a lot of fun, I'm going tostart a design firm now.
And so that's when I started mydesign firm and I wouldn't have
(04:33):
been on Queer Eye, none of that.
Literally, at that moment I hadsaid no.
My life.
That one yes completely.
I never really thought aboutthat.
That one yes completely changedthe trajectory of my life.
And if I had said no, because Iwas scared of not knowing how
to do it.
I would have done it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I've never told this story, but when I got hired for
my first job on HGTV, I had noidea what I was doing.
And I get on set and they hadthe camera crew and they were
like okay, go ahead and startpainting this room.
We'll get a time lapse, whichmeans they're just going to
speed it up.
You know, for the show I'dnever painted a room before.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So I'm like no, no, I'm a designer, I'm not a
painter.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
First of all, I wasn't really a designer either.
Talk about fake it till youmake it.
So I'm like painting.
But you know what I did everynight?
Because I didn't know anyone, Ithey shot where, like in DC and
I lived in LA at the time Iwould get off work and every
night I would read books aboutdesigning.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, cause there was no YouTube back then.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
No, there was no YouTube.
I think that we need to talkabout the faking it till you
make it, because I think a lotof people watching want to
change careers, want to reinventthemselves, but they say no
because they're like well, Idon't know how to do it yet, but
take the opportunity and thenlearn while you're taking the
opportunity.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yes, you know a lot of people are like, oh well,
faking it till you make it,you're a fraud.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Not necessarily, but didn't you feel like an imposter
?
Because I did.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Oh, I still do.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I still do.
But don't take off somethingthat you've got to put the hard
work in.
If you're going to fake it tillyou make it, you've got to put
the hard work in to make it.
You can't just fake it andcoast and then oh well, that
didn't work out.
Then move on to fake it tosomething else, because that is
a hustler, that is a fraud.
So if you're going to fake ittill you make it, you've got to
hustle, you've got to put in thework to really teach yourself
(06:12):
that thing that you start offfaking.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I love that, I love that.
Okay, so you know you're adesigner, obviously, and I was
kind of nervous to have you atthe house.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean, it has been nine years since I've been here.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I know.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It has been a while.
I've been in LA for nine years.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Olivia just turned nine and she was a baby when you
first came here.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Literally crying over there on the counter.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You made her cry I did.
You did, I did, I would havedone that if you needed, but I,
you know, I think that there area few places I need help with.
I'm not too proud to beg, but Iknow that you have certain
areas of a house that you thinkpeople should focus on.
What are they?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You know, organization.
That's to me the biggest thing.
You know I, my book is calledright at home, right at home.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
What's your book called Jesus, fake it.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, my book is called Fake it Till you Fucking
Make it.
My book is called Right at Homehow Good Design is Good for the
Mind, and it's not about, oh,here's a bunch of pretty
pictures of how you should doyour house.
It's about getting into thepsyche of why you should do your
house this way, and the firstchapter is talking about
figuring out what your designaesthetic is, even though I
don't even like to use the termdesign aesthetic.
Why?
(07:23):
Because it's not about, oh, I'mfarmhouse modern, or oh, I'm
French country, or this I'm like.
It's all about finding thethings that make you happy.
And if that is a mixture ofthings, that's fine, that's
totally fine.
It's all about accepting whatyou love and not worrying about
what other people think.
But one of the chapters is allabout organization, mental
health and how chaos around youcreates chaos in your mind.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I could not agree more.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I'm a Virgo, I have ADD, I have autism.
It's too much for me, yeah, andso I have to have my home
organized, and one of the thingsand I sat down and instantly
loved is trays.
Trays are my favorite thing.
You sent me a beautiful leathertray that is literally on my
entrance where you keep yourkeys.
I keep mine in my littleSabrina Soto leather tray.
(08:06):
You know, for me it's a placefor everything and everything in
its place, and so what I loveabout the way you styled your
coffee table slash ottoman isthe things that you styled are
on a tray, so they lookbeautiful, they're spaced
perfectly.
But if you want to come in here, and pick up my feet, yeah.
I need to get up Each littlething.
You take the whole tray up andwhen you're done you put the
(08:27):
whole tray back and it's stillperfect.
I love a tray.
If you want to have your dinnerhere.
Trays, trays, trays, trays fordays.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Trays for days.
I love that.
Trays for days, honey.
Sometimes, when we've walkedinto hundreds of homes, I
consider myself like a psychicdesigner, because I could walk
into a home and tell what'sgoing on in that family's
dynamic.
Do you too?
Yes, right, like chaos equalsissues Right.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I could walk in and I could instantly tell if
somebody was struggling withdepression.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I would walk into the room and I would see piles of
clothes and I'm like and I youknow it's not always a telltale
sign, but you know, I would saythat pile of laundry can set you
up for failure or success, foryour entire day, for your entire
career.
People are like what?
That's a little dramatic.
I'm like well, think about it.
You go to bed at night and yousee that pile of laundry that
you told yourself that day youwere going to accomplish, you
(09:13):
were going to clean, you weregoing to put it away and you
didn't.
And you're like that's not up.
The very first thing you see isthat pile of laundry that you
did not accomplish and you did.
The very first mindset you haveis seeing your failures.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
You let yourself down .
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yes, I let myself down.
And then when you get to work,it's just a little easier to not
accomplish your goals again,because you're, like I, started
out my day being okay with nothaving accomplished just a
little thing and it can snowball.
It's not about the laundry.
It's not about the laundry.
It is about the way it makesyou feel mentally when you
accomplish it or when you don't.
(09:53):
Allowing yourself not toaccomplish those little things
that you've told yourself you'regoing to do gives yourself
permission to allow yourself tonot accomplish the bigger things
you want to do.
You become complacent and youbecome okay with not achieving
your goals.
And it all started with alittle pile of laundry.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
That's deep, bobby, I like that.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Did you know that a disorganized medicine cabinet
can cause road rage?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
What Is that true?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yes.
So let's say you get thisbeautiful new face cream it's in
a glass jar, as it should beand you go to put it in your
cabinet in your bathroom and thecabinet's full of crap because
you haven't thrown away all theold stuff.
You keep saying you're going tothrow away and so you're like
here's a little spot for you andyou shove it in there and you
go to bed and the next morningyou're like I'm so excited to
(10:39):
look so young.
And you open up the cabinet andit falls out and it shatters
everywhere.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Ooh yeah, that would be horrible, and you're pissed.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So by the time you get down here with Olivia, she's
annoying you a little more.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And I have a wrinkle.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
By the time you get on the road, that person that
cut you off, that was the laststraw and it was all because
your cabinet was disorganized.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Good Lord, that's a lot, I'm not going to lie.
That's a little dramatic, bobby, seriously, thank you so much
for being on the show.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I love hanging out with you always.
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