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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Today's Friday, September eighteen, two thousand and when you coming
up a rolling martin unfiltered. Senaa Kamlaharrez kicks off the
campaign in Durham, North Carolina, speaking to the Congression of
Black Hawk's Political Action Committee. Will go to her live
speaking of North Carolina. They're already rejecting black voters mail
in ballots more often than white voters. Will explain to
you exactly what is going on. Will also continue our

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conversation about Tennessee Representative John de Berry, who says he
was removed from the ballot as a Democratic candidate because
of his abortion stance. Will talk with a member of
the Tennessee Democratic Party and its opponent's campaign manager, who
wants to clear up some of the claims he made
on the show yesterday CNN the Hillatown Hall meeting with
Joe Biden last night. Will show you some of the

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excerpts and talk about some of his celebrity endorsements by
Frankie Beverly and the O Jays. Also, Malcolm Nance joins
us to break down the stunning revelations and the director
Christopher Ray's testimony before the House Homeland Security Committee. Folks
it is shocking you here, We're gonna go right now.
Let's go, Kama Harris. I want to just thank all

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of the friends who are part of this and the
incredible not only incredible leaders in North Carolina, but national
leaders um in Congresswoman Alma Adams and G. K. Butterfield,
the Congressman from North Carolina. Thank you both for your
friendship and for your leadership and for everything you do.
So okay, North Carolina, you are my first stop on

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our virtual bus tour, and I am so glad that
you have tuned in for this because we need you
and we need you to stay engaged through election day
in November. And the great news is that more than
eight hundred and eighty thousand North Carolinians have already requested
mail in ballots and more than fifty thousand have already voted.

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Can you imagine that is so incredible because we want
to make sure everyone votes early. So let me start
by saying, please keep that energy, keep up that energy
in that fight, because the momentum building and the voting
early is going to make all the difference in terms
of the outcome of this election. And you can visit

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I will vote dot com to make a voting plan,
and that's what we want everyone to do. Make a
voting plan, look on the calendar and know and just
decide this is the day I'm gonna vote, and make
a whole plan around that day. And also not only
make a voting plan, but make sure you're registered and
ready to vote. Listen, there is so much at stake

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in this election. We are and everybody knows it. We
are in the middle of battling a deadly pandemic. We're
in the midst of an economic crisis. People are comparing
to the Great Depression. And we are in the midst
of a long overdue and a continual fight for a
reckoning on race and justice in America. And in the

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midst of all that, we're also in the midst of
a client him at change that is super charging storms
in our Gulf coast states. UM. It's keeping the West,
including my home state of California, UM, engulfed in smoke
and wildfire. So there's a lot going on right now, UM,
including the fact that nearly thirty million Americans are collecting

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unemployment and at least eleven million jobs have been permanently lost.
So all of that is happening and an ordinary working
people everyday. Folks are looking at the job market and
wondering who is fighting for me, Who's fighting for me? Well,
that is exactly what Joe and I are prepared to answer,

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which is we will fight for you when President Trump
refuses to do his job, spending his time stoking fear
and hate and lying to us about the threat of
COVID back when he could have saved countless lives. While
Donald has failed us, we can't let his incompetence cloud

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our concept of government or what government can do and
what we can accomplish together in a Joe Biden Kamala
Harris administration, we will confront COVID nineteen to make sure
that the American people are safe and that means a
number of things. It means free access to COVID testing

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and treatment and God willing, as soon as we get
a safe vaccine, free access to a safe vaccine. It
means in a Biden Harris administration, jobs additional new jobs
for a hundred thousand people through a new public Health
Jobs Core, that's what we're calling it, um but to
help people in terms of training foes in contact tracing

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and what we need to do to stop the outbreaks.
In a Biden Harris administration, it means setting a national
mask standard, because here's the thing. If we are going
to live the the goal and the and the and
the spirit of love thy neighbor, well, we need to
wear masks. And nobody likes to wear a mask, but

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we need to wear a mask. And so Joe and
I will lead by example because we know this is
what saves lives. Uh. Joe and I are committed to
reviving our economy and that means access to a hundred
and fifty billion dollars in low interest loans and capital,
including a hundred billion of that going directly to black

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and brown communities. It means helping black people build wealth
with a fifteen thousand dollar down payment tax credit for
first time home buyers, because we know that black families
own one tenth of the wealth of white families, and
one of the greatest sources of wealth for any American
family is homeownership. And it also represents intergenerational wealth, meaning

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that's the asset that gets passed down through the generations.
It means, also in terms of our priorities, ensuring that
we don't go bankrupt while trying to pay for the
health care we need. So Joe and I will build
on the work that he and President Barack Obama did
in creating the Affordable Care Act, which was also known

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as Obamacare, and we will work not only to to
to build upon it, but expand it and create a
public option. And now you need to know something about that,
which is right now in the midst of a public
health pandemic where over six million people have contracted this virus.

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Almost two hundred and twenty thousand people are two hundred
thousand people have died from it. Right probably by this
weekend it will be two hundred thousand people will have
died from it. While all this is going on, do
you know Donald Trump is in court right now trying
to end the Affordable Care Act, trying to get rid
of it. And here's what you should know. That means

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getting rid of what President Obama together with Vice President Biden, did,
which is to make sure that people up to the
age of twenty six can be on their parents coverage.
It means making what they did was they made sure
that people would pre existing conditions like diabetes, like high
blood pressure wouldn't be banned from healthcare coverage. Those were

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the things that they accomplished that Donald Trump is trying
to get rid of in the midst of a public
health crisis. And why am I bringing that up because
think about it. First of all, obviously people need healthcare
when there's a public health epidemic. But also let's think
about pre existing conditions, something that that President Obama, together
with Vice President Biden, sought to deal with. Six million

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people plus contracted the virus. We still don't know the
long term effects of it, which means if Donald Trump
gets rid of the Affordable Care Act, those six million
people who may have pre existing conditions may be banned
from cover ridge UM because of what Donald Trump is
trying to do. So let's be clear that when we

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fight for these issues, it is going to be about
fighting for the more than one and thirty million people
with pre existing conditions. It is gonna be about fighting
to make sure that the over five hundred thousand people
in North Carolina UM that that have coverage, fighting so
that they don't lose their coverage, including in North Carolina,

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the four million people who are now living with pre
existing conditions. It means Joe and me fighting for you
and fighting for folks with pre existing conditions. And part
of that fight means helping Donald Trump leave the White
House through an election process. UM. Our work also means
ensuring that we reform our criminal justice system. Listen, we

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have to create a National Police Oversight Commission, and Joe
and I will do that so that we demand police
departments be reviewed and be monitored for how they are
engaged in practices, how they are hiring, how they are training, um,
whether they are engaged in de escalation practices. Joe and
I will outlaw choke holes and cartid holes. Well. Listen,

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George Floyd would be alive today if those were banned. Um.
It means creating a national standard for use of force,
because Joe and I know that. Look right now, in
many jurisdictions, if a police officer uses successive force, the
question that people ask was was that use of force reasonable?
But you and I know you can reason away just

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about anything. The question, the fair question, the just question,
is to ask was that use of force necessary? So
Joe and I will create a national standard for you
to force. Will also fight to eliminate the death penalty
and mandatory minimums, and we will make sure that we
end cash bail, which, by the way, that's about economic

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justice as well as criminal justice, because what is up happening.
People who have the money can get out, where people
who don't have the money stay in jail. That's about
economic justice as much as criminal justice. We will also
end private prisons. Why private prisons think about the business
model and that that's that some human beings are making

(10:19):
money off of the incarceration of other human beings. That
needs to end. Um Joe and I are also going
to decriminalize the use of marijuana and automatically expunged all
marijuana convictions and also end incarceration for drug use alone.

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And of course we have to invest in our future
because we want to make sure that among the students
who are participating this evening, we want to make sure
and the young people who are coming out of high school,
coming out of college, or just entering the workforce, we
want to make sure entering a strong and dynamic workforce

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free of debt. For those who have attended college, and
we want to make sure that you are prepared, because
we have adequately prepared you to compete in a global market.
So to that end, Joe and I will invest over
seventy billion dollars in HBCUs and minority serving institutions. And
we will fight to forgive student loan debt for people

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who are making less than a hundred and twenty five
thousand dollars when you come out of school. And also
we will cancel ten thousand dollars of student loan debt
for all students, regardless of what you make. So we've
got some work to do. We also, you should know,
have a plan that for for students who are coming
from families that make less than a hundred and twenty

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five thousand dollars. If you attend a public school, you
will attend tuition free. If you attend an HBCU, whether
it's private or public, it will be tuition free. So
these are the things we can do together. But we
have to win this election, and that means making sure
that everyone votes, making sure that in North Carolina you

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vote as early as as as possible at an early
voting site, that you vote by mail, and remember to
sign your name and have a witness add their name
and address and signature and mail that ballot as soon
as you can. So that's the early voting, that's the
vote by mail or vote on November three, which is

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the final data vote. I prefer you vote early. Um.
And here's my last point. There are forces at work
in our country, in North Carolina and all over the
country that are dead set on trying to make it
hard or confusing for us to vote. And you know
we we say every every time, and it is so

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important that the importance of us voting includes honoring the ancestors,
honoring folks like Lewis who shed their blood far right
to vote. And so that is part of what has
to motivate us to vote. But here's another thing. In
North Carolina, you know, because the Court of Appeal said

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that that legislature with surgical precision wrote laws to try
and prevent black volks from voting. We know that there
are states all over this country where powerful people are
trying to make it difficult or confusing for black people
to vote. And I'd ask us to ask a question,
why are they going through so much trouble, through so

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much effort to try and suppress our vote? And I
think we all know the answer because they know when
we vote, things change. They know when we vote that
leaders are held accountable. And so I say to us.

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I say that, don't us let anybody take our power
from us, the power of our vote. Don't let anybody
take that power from us. So let's make sure and
vote and make sure our voices are heard. And I
thank everybody for the work you do every day and

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the pledge that we're all making to do everything we
can over these next forty six days to bring this
election home. Thank you all, thank you all right, folks.
That was Senator Kamala Harris speaking at the Commression the
Congression on Black Political Action Committee virtual bus tour there
in North Carolina. Here, if you go back to that shot,

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you'll see their congressman all My Adams is their Congressman. G. K.
Butterfield is there as well as well as the UH
State director for the Biden the Hairs campaign, Lt. Mccrimond
North Carolina State Director in Maja Grey Gary, who is
a North Carolina A and T graduate. Art Folks, speaking
in North Carolina, but just forty five days before the election.

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Forty five days before the election, but voting has already started.
As you heard Senator Kamala Harris say, there fifty thousand
votes have already been cast in North Carolina. The problem
is according to report by five thirty eight, in North Carolina,
absentute ballots have already been sent back and the state
has been updating statistics on those ballots daily. As of
September seventeen, the black voters ballots have been rejected at

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more than four times the rate of white voters. Black
voters have mailed in thirteen thousand and seven hundred and
forty seven ballots with six d forties two rejected, or
four point seven percent. White voters have cast sixty thousand,
nine hundred and fifty four million ballots six hundred and
eighty one or one point one percent rejected. In addition
for hundred thirty four ballots cast by white voters, and

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in twenty seven ballots cast by black voters remarked spoiled,
which can mean literally spoiled for something as simple as
a voter in forming the election office if they that
their address that requested a ballot is wrong. Joining me
now to talk about what's going on in North Carolina
is Allison Riggs, Chief Voting Rights Council Roman, executive director
of the Southern Coalition for Social Justice. Alison glad to

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have you on here now. This is one of the
greatest concerns. In fact, I was just reading a story
what Chris Wallace of Fox News was saying, at the
greatest concern with mail in voting is disenfranchisement because you
have to follow every single procedure when it comes to
mail in voting. Is that? Is that what's going on
in North Carolina. Well, so since that report came back,

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we have over seventy thousand absentee ballots that that have
been returned. I want to clarify one thing that was
in a footnote in the report, which is that technically
no absentee ballots have been rejected yet what eight is
counting in that category are voters with witness information missing

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and UM and spoiled ballots. I do want to note
that there's a federal court injunction in place in North
Carolina prohibiting the discounting of absentee ballots when voters haven't
been given adequate notice and an opportunity to be heard
if there's a way they can fix that those ballots.
So these numbers are concerning, it is absolutely the case

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that we seem to have a very significant racial disparity
in black voters UM not having access to witness witnesses
and witness information being incomplete. And I think that's very
likely a consequence of the socioeconomic UH and health disparities
we see in North Carolina and across this country. UM.

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But there are going to be opportunities for voters UM
uh in that group to correct their ballots, and we
will be doing targeted outreach in the counties UM that
we are seeing the biggest numbers. And I can tell
you right now the four biggest counties where we're seeing
ballots not being accepted are Durham, Cumberland, UM, and Pitt

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counties in Brunswick County. So we'll be doing targeted outreach
to those counties to make sure those counts are informing
voters about what they need to do to get their
ballots accepted and if there is a problem, making sure
those voters get get the fix in their hands as
soon as possible. So walk folks through this, because again,
rules are different in each state. What does North Carolina

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require if you use a mail in ballot? What must
you do? You mentioned a witness yep, North Carolina has
won a You either have to have a witness or
a notary sign your absentee application. Your absentee application is
the envelope in which you put your secret ballot. So

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we have and it's thank you for asking, because there's
a lot of misunderstanding. North Carolina doesn't mail absentee ballots
to anyone UM without a request being made. So it's
a two step process. A voter requests and absentee ballot UM.
The local election officials mail the absentee application and ballot
to the voter. The application is the envelope, the voter

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fills it out. Things that the voter needs to do
on that envelope, they need to sign it UM missing
that signature. It's folks forget that. They need to sign
the envelope and you heard Senator Harris mentioned that UM
on your show just now. They also need to get
a witness. The witness needs to sign the absentee envelope

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and print their name and their address UM for that
application UM to be completed. So who can be witnessed
anybody UM, So the witnesses. There are a few restrictions
on who can be witnesses UM, but largely UM. There
there are very few UM exceptions to that that. If

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you live in an assisted living facility. As of right now,
you generally can't have anyone who works there. Political candidates
can't be witnesses. What I want to distinguish is, though um,
there's not a lot of restrictions on who can be
a witness, there are some significant restrictions on who can
quest or return an absentee ballot. For you, North Carolina
law wants you to keep your hands on your absentee

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UM materials. So you have to be a near relative
in order to essentially take possession of someone's absentee ballot. Okay,
and and and that's the thing that we have been
cautioning people. You need to understand the rules in your
state because they vary from state to state, and if

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you skip any one of those things, that can invalidate
your ballot. So so what's happening is somebody doesn't sign
the back, somebody doesn't spell this out whatever, so they're
sending it back, allowing those folks the opportunity to correct
that correct. Yes, in North Carolina, and it's not necessarily
the case in every in every state, and so some
other state you might screw up, and you never know

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you screw up, your ballot gets tossed. That's right. And
and we want folks to be keeping an eye out
for phone calls and mailing from the county county boards
of Elections because we don't want you to accidentally miss
a notice that there's been an issue with your absentee ballot.
I mean that that all that you're describing, frankly gives
folks in headache. Um. And this is also why what

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you're seeing. I mean, look, Virginia today began early voting.
There are massive lines. There are a lot of people
who are really saying, Look, if you want to bounce Trump,
look forget Donnie, play the game with the melon ballot,
take precautions, stand in line. I can tell you that
in North Carolina, I'll be voting early in person. I've
already made my plan to early vote. I'm voting on Monday,

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October If in North Carolina, we have more early voting
sites and hours than we ever had before, and our
grassroots groups have worked so hard for that. Um. If
you go and early vote, UM, not on the first
couple of days. There's lots of excited folks wanting to
wait in line on the first couple of days. But
if you go during the week, especially Monday through Thursday,

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mid morning or mid afternoon, you're almost certain to avoid lines.
I'll be wearing a mask in clubs and bringing my
own pen, but I will feel safe voting in person,
and then it will be done, and I know I
will know my votes didn't get lost in the mail
or didn't have any issues. Al and the Riggs Chief
Voting Rights counselor intermesecutive director of the Southern Coalition for

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Social Justice, we surely appreciated. Thanks for all of the
good workers you want you're doing there. And and yes,
grassroots organizations fought Republicans in North Carolina who for the
last decade have been screwing over people there. Uh, it
was an arduous fight. Repairs of the breach in double
a CP democracy in c so many others have been
fighting to make it fair for everybody have right to vote.

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So we certainly appreciate it. Thank you. All right, thanks
so very much. Let's go to our panel voltes Rob
Ritchinson as a host Disruption Now podcast. Michael Brown, former
Vice Cher, Democratic National Committee, Finance Committee r neanmber Carter
Howard University Department of Political Science. Michael, I want to
start with you, Uh, look, this is this isn't this
is unlike anything that we've seen before. We've had hurricanes

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in the past, we've had tornadoes, we've had floods, we've
had natural disasters hit areas. We've never had, frankly, a
natural disaster hit the entire country. And so a lot
of people are looking at voting by mail, and we
just gotta keep pounding every single day, follow every single step.
Because even Greg Palace was on before he said even

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in a normal election, you know, twenty I think of
a million ballots get tossed, and so it's probably gonna
be a lot higher. That could very well be the
difference between who wins and who loses in the state.
Absolutely Now, you know, for someone like me who lives
in a in a very very traditional blue state here

(23:44):
in the District of Columbia, I still tell people when
I when I speak to folks, you know what, there's
nothing wrong with if everyone in DC, for example, there's
gonna get absentee ballot, they do not have to use it.
They can go and vote in person, they can go
really voting. But um, what I've told folks two things,
uh were two masks. If you want but to protect

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yourself even further, we're a set of gloves. If you
need to and and request a paper ballot. I know
folks like the technology. I get that, but the one
thing you can't well, of course you mess with anything,
but what limits it is a paper ballot, and of
course going in person. Of course some folks don't want

(24:26):
to take that risk. But rolling you and I have
talked about this before. That's why when you were just
having that conversation about what's going on in North Carolina,
that's why there need to be uniform federal regulations relative
to elections. Not one state can do this, another state
can do that. And why is an election day a holiday?

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So there are several things that can be done. I
know we're dealing with this now and those aren't the rules,
but folks need to follow as you just mentioned, step
by step. If not go to the polls, it's too important.
If you have to stand in line for a couple
of hours, stand in line, people are walking through again,

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just trying to get walk folks through. The dots are like, okay,
if you do this, you gotta do this. If you
do this, you gotta do this because this is unnatural
for lots of people, which is also why I've been
saying that many folks look, if your state has early voting,
so for instance, North Carolina does, Texas doesn't, South Carolina doesn't.
If your state has early voting forgetting him a third,
don't even think about November three. Get it done through

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early voting. Absolutely, no want want to do DOTR carl Oh,
I'm sorry. I was just gonna say. You know the
thing about it is, you know, we hope that people
only have to wait thirty minutes or a couple of hours.
We know that people are waiting seven hours, eight hours.
They're making this painful for people to participate in the

(25:53):
electoral process. Um. And I think what we what you
were allay just talking about in North Carolina, but we
saw it in Florida as well, UM, is that you
have a lot of people who are inexperienced with mail
in ballots. They don't know what to do with them
because they're in person voters traditionally. So I'm I'm with you, UM, Michael,
and with you Roland that if you can go early vote,

(26:14):
go early vote. UM, don't take the risk on the
mail in ballot if you don't know how to use
that particular modality and and and you know, hopefully it'll
only take you an hour or two, but on election day,
we know it will take hours. And we know the
folks who are most on the margins are the most
likely to get discouraged and give up, and we don't

(26:34):
want that to happen. So if you can early vote,
do that. And if you can't use or you don't
know how to use the paper ballot um, if you're
not comfortable, you know it's okay to switch and go
vote in person. Well and and rally rob is that again? Uh?
It varies, It varies it what time you go, it varies. It. Look,
if you decided to go early voting and you do
it after five PM, that's what old people are getting

(26:55):
getting off of work. And so so you gotta figure
out again the right time. Also in your particular uh place,
find out the rules, because you may be able to
vote at any early voting location in the city as
opposed to one particular location that you're assigned to. Yeah,
but it depends. I actually know in Ohio it's usually

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have to go to your Board of Elections, but it's
it varies everywhere. But you you can do it like
three or four weeks earlier. No, No, the rules in
your state, each one of them are differently. I agree
they shouldn't be. But we have to operate in the
world as it is not how we wish it would be,
and but we can get it. We can push it
that way. But we're going and do that if we
actually vote to participate, and everyone here and all the
audience knows how important this election is. So I would

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tell people this, for those listening, you likely know the rules.
If you don't make sure you do, then get five
people that you're responsible for it, because there's I can
guarantee you that some of us know, all of us
know five people that may or may not vote but
for our intervention, and so we got to make sure
that the people that sometimes vote do vote, and we
take ownership with those people, we take agency because this

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is this is just too important period. Well again, we
also can't assume when there are people who follow who
watch this show, who are informed voters, who because I
kept saying go check your status, went back and realize
they're being purged. And so we need you to go
to go to vote dot org. So as a couple
of sites you can go to volks. There are several
sites you can go to. They're all tied into many
of the same databases. Vote dot org is one of

(28:23):
those sites. This is the vote This site right here
where you can check your registration to see if you've
been purged. If you have, you can reregister. If you've
not been registered vote, you can do so right here.
You can request your application by mail. You can also
sign up for a fill out the form for the census,
all of that as well. Uh. There's uh, there's another site,
I will um uh vote dot com. You can also

(28:46):
go to I will vote dot com another place, same thing,
check if I'm registered, registered to vote, vote by mail,
vote in person. Uh. You can go through all of
that and so take advantage of the resources votes and
be prepared here. That's what you must do in order
to have an impact on this election. As I said,
early voting has started in some places. You know. Look,

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not all places have, like for Virginia starting today. Texas
doesn't start until October thirte uh, and so it various.
They also don't have a voting there on Sundays because
they got rid of that because they didn't want souls
to the polls. So just to just understand exactly what
is going on. And we we talk about voting folks, Uh,

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they have been long lines. Look, this is the photo
of someone posted right here in Virginia on the first day.
I'm talking about folks in line all across of Virginia.
They were there was some video folks for posting. And
let me tell you something right now, this is the
thing that I keep I keep telling people, uh, Michael,
that and in fact somebody actually posted this video is

(29:52):
pretty cool. So this is a they actually spit it
all up to watch this here and go to my iPad.
So watch this, folks. That's how many folks were in
line at one particular location across the street, down this
huge path across a second street. It kept going, it
kept going, it kept going to air. That gives you

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an indication, uh, where people are. Look, we're going to
have huge turnout, Michael. We saw this in the primary.
We saw this where Democrats were breaking records all across
the country. You've got a high Republican enthusiasm as well. Look,
it's gonna be I think I think this is gonna
be a record election. And as the doctor just mentioned,

(30:37):
Patients is going to be part of it, because what
is telling his folks is he's showing him the same
kind of video and saying, I don't care what you
have to do that day. You do not leave, do
not get discouraged, your stand line and vote obviously for him, presumably,
and our folks have to have that same tenacity on

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not just November three. I agree with you, Roland. Can't
be just about November three. It has to be also
related to early voting. Going early, take care of it early,
then you don't have to worry about November three and
those kind of lines. But patients tenacity and understanding the
importance of what's going on here in our world, that

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we are the best arm chair quarterbacks. After elections were what,
people have a tendency to say, Oh, you know what,
my vote wouldn't have mattered anyway, Yes it would have.
Oh they were going to do anything for our community anyway. Well,
when you don't vote, they make decisions on who they're
gonna help. So also, one last thing, when we were

(31:41):
talking about procedures, if you do get to your polling
place and for whatever reason you could purge or there's
some confusion, ask for provisional ballot, they have to give
it to you. You vote, ye, I think it's put
in another box. But when your issue gets resolved, then
it's taken out of that box and count it. So

(32:02):
don't walk away. Not not not in some places because
some places, some places they only count some places only
count provisionals if they're they're within one percent of the candidates.
So that's that's one of the issues. Correct, But still
do it because you're definitely not gonna get counted if
you walk away. Take your at least make sure it's

(32:22):
in that box. Yep, yep. Um Uh. We actually had
a race decided here way back with a judge running
for for a county position, and it came down to
provisional ballots and she won. But I think it was
like fifteen or twenty votes. Like that happens a lot.

(32:42):
I think Virginia had it had had it had a
kid the corn time which was determined, which allowed Republicans
to maintain control of that particular house, that chamber in
the General Assembly, would have made a different Yeah. Well,
but just two days ago, uh, they had several progressives.
One in the state of Delaware wants us to set

(33:04):
won by thirty votes over a forty plus year incumbent.
I mean, so again, folks, every vote does indeed matter.
All right, We'll talked last night. That's talking we talked
about appen in Tennessee. Lie Tennessee Democratic Party voted in
April to remove longtime state Representative John de Berry Jr.
From the August six primary ballot as a Democratic candidate. DeBerry,
who represents District ninety in Memphis, as often sided with

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Republicans and the legislature in recent years and faced a
number of challenges to his party credentials. Now, he joined
us yesterday to talk about those challenges, and he made
a number of claims about why today we wanted again,
we wanted to hear exactly why he was removed. Kendra
Lee is vot Protection director well Tennessee Democratic Party, and
Farren Bond is campaign manager for de Berry's opponent, Torrey Harris. Kidren,

(33:51):
want to start with you and so exactly exactly why
was DeBerry removed from the ballot? Okay, can you're just
step aside, so let me just uh let's see if
Fairing you're still there. I kick you're there, I am.
I'm just you know, it's been a long day. Can

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you can you hear it situations together? Yes? Okay? Cool?
All right, So can you explain for our folks why
would represent the very removed? Okay, So, as you may
or may not be aware of, UM, the formal process
is that when there is a grievance or when there
is a complaint by a person or someone that's in

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the district, we as the government body, then take the
next necessary steps that are going to be there. So UM,
as it happened to be, there was a member of
District ninety that filed a complaint at the moment they
were able to do that, and so once that was
taking place, all the procedures were followed and as a result,

(34:58):
UM febury was the decision was to remove him from
the ballot as a Democrat. So on one person made
a complaint, what was the complaint? So the complaint was
just that as a constituent who had constantly try to
be able to get in contact with their elected official,
UM concerning you know, some of the some of the

(35:21):
issues that are at hand. UM. We've been able to
see that Tennessee has had some national press, UM for
all of the wrong reasons. When it comes to the
General Assent, believe, whether it is the Heartbeat bill UM,
whether it is the vote to suppress voters, UM to
disenfranchised protesters, the National General Assembly, it's just it's making

(35:43):
national news for all the wrong reasons. And we had
a constituent who expressed their concerns about what was happening
and how representative Debrey was voting UM and support of
a lot of the things that the party and a
lot of people here on the ground are fighting to
combat each and every day. So if he's been re

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elected numerous time by obviously more than one person, how
is that fair that one person can foleo a complaint
and things and the Executive Committee remove him as a candidate.
If the people, if it's all about the people's will,
if they've been reelecting him, how is that fair. So

(36:24):
it's pretty cut and dry within the by laws that
again that are stated with the tendency Generocratic Party UM.
And for a point of clarification, the theory is still
a candidate right right, But but but he was taking
off and he still gets to vote for him, right
But now he is still a candidate, and he still
has the option and the voter is a district ninety
are not disenfranchised. UM. I think rather the opposite. They

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do have the option to have more than one candidate
on the ballot, so they really do get to express
their power and have that political power and that political
capital that the borry likes to refer to to be
able to really have an option to choose between candidates.
But he but he, but he was removed as a
Democratic candidate. And he how long has he been a

(37:07):
Democratic representative? Um? He has been a Democratic. He has
been a representative for a thirteen term, so that could
be two year terms for twenty six years, Um, twenty
six years ago. I may have been five years old,
so I can't really tell you what was going on
between there. But I joined and the Tennessee Democratic Party
Executive Committee January eleventh of this year, and the procedures

(37:30):
were followed. Um. And in accordance to that grievance and
all of the procedural things were in place, Representative Ya
had an opportunity to tell people what it is that
he needed to say. UM. He opted out of doing that.
I would have loved to been able to talk to him.
I actually would have loved for us all to be
on the call together right now so that we could
really be able to air out a lot of the

(37:52):
misconceptions about the process of how that was able to
take place. So when so when the complaint was filed
and it goes before the committee, the full committee did
not hear from him No, um, and now was the option.
So it is just like you have it to be
able to have a person that is the complainant. Um.
It was not a one sided situation. This is not
like a grand jury indictment. You don't have a person

(38:15):
that just gets to tell one side of the story
and then the decision just gets to be made. UM.
I was looking forward to hearing representative to theory explained
to us why these situations we're going to take place
and be able to hear the explanations as to why
some of the things that were the claims that were
made against with the excessive contributions to and from Republican

(38:36):
candidates and Republican organizations. Um, when it comes to the
lack of support or amazing candidates that we have here
on the ground being able to to be a deciding
factor on really important pieces of legislations and then to
be able to reserve that again for your political capital,
because you don't feel as though it's in your best

(38:56):
individual interests as opposed to I had changing questions that
I would have both been able to actual So did
he did he not appear before the committee? Did he
not before the committee? He appeared before the committee, but
he did not say he didn't have to remark, and
there was no opportunity to open the floor for questions.
So so he appeared before the committee, but he did

(39:19):
not speak before the committee, or did he speak and
not take questions? He didn't need to not speak and
he did not take questions. Um, the theory and so
you say you want to come on this also clips
the misconceptions that he also stated, like what absolutely, Um,
you know, first and foremost, I want to you know,

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sit the recordstrate you know, I've been a part of
the Tory Haris campaign, who is the current challenger against
Steve here in general elections, and I've been on that
team since eighteen and at no point has anybody from
the Tory Haris campaign been a part of the State
Executive committee. So you know, as a constituent in District
nineties and as a staff member for that campaign. You know,

(40:01):
I would really appreciate the honesty to come from the
current representative. There were so many reasons why everything he
said was not true. You know, nobody's done anything mischievous
with regards to the campaign, simply put. You know, Representative
DeBerry was removed because his values and his votes aligned
with Republicans. No one in his forced him to be

(40:24):
a Democrat. That is a choice that he made. In
the governing body that takes care of those things has said,
you know what, based on this grievements filed by a
constituent who has been referred to as an out of
town or by Representative d Theory said hey, enough is enough.
I am tired. He decided to file his petition last minute.

(40:44):
I now have time to file grievance. This is where
their chips have fallen. I understand something here. You said
that his values don't align with Democratic party, but his
constituents have voted for him. Maybe do do you do
you do you take into account that maybe his constituents

(41:04):
those are their values. Here's what I take into account
of recent Paul was done to my change research, and
I'll be more than happy to send you that poll
after we are off this call of those constituents have
said the district has this kind over the past ten years.
What does that say, Well, if we've had the same
representative for those lasts Actually, you're not answering my questions.

(41:26):
You're not asking my question. My question was very simple.
You say that his values don't align with Democratic Party.
But if the but if the actual voters not a pole,
if the actual voters re elected him, maybe those are
also their values. So rolling I'm not sure if you're
aware that Tennessee is an open primary state and there

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are roughly twelve hundred registered Republicans in District ninety. That
means of those votes that are by Republicans can happen
in favor of Dberry. So that is likely why he
has one of the last several of as elections, at
least the last three terms, because Republicans vote for him,
and if we talk about supporting Democratic values, then that's

(42:07):
who he needs to talk to. He doesn't talk to
his constituent. So the last election and the last election,
how many votess did he get Roughly fourteen thousand in
the general election, around seven thousand or so in the primary,
and the district is comprised of over sixty five thousand voters,
So he got four sellers. Do the math, he got
fourteen thousand. He got fourteen thousand votes in the last election.

(42:28):
You say they are twelve hundred, You say they are
twelve hundred Republicans in the districts only ten percent. That
means there are nine percent people in his district. No,
that's what I'm saying. Where there's only one candidate in
the primary, he got roughly seven thousand, and tore Her
has got just over three thousand. So you're so so
you're suggesting that Republicans voted for him in the primary

(42:52):
based on what data, based on the based on the
voting datas, based on the numbers, based on the fatal
data that we can go look up and vote builder
right now to see that there are several thousands of
Republicans that consistently support debar Why because those are the
values that he aligns himself. So but here's the deal though,

(43:12):
and this is I'll go back to you Kendrew on
this here again. So that means that if you're trying
to run against somebody, you beat him at the ballot
box as opposed to the executive committee. Is this not
a back door attempt to remove him from the ballot
because he's been winning. So are we back to me? Yeah,
I said Kendrew, Yes, go ahead, Okay, so Um answer

(43:33):
your question. No, But further to expound on it, it's
not a it's this is not the first time that
this law or this is what we have in our
by laws has We didn't make this up for the
sole purposes of removing representative to theory, unlike the General
Assembly who then retroactively or took all of their political

(43:56):
capital and put it together to get kept back on
the ballot, to be able to soap specifically introduce law
to allow an incumbent to get back after the term xpire,
tire for you to be there. We didn't do that. Um.
There was something that was pro actively brought to the
Tennessee Democratic Party. There was a complaint, there was a grievance,

(44:16):
and we followed the steps. I have no quarrels representative
are um. I am very cut and dry, and we
had the opportunity to be able to allow this process
to play out. But given the nature of how Debory,
the lack of his presence, I was there. Um, the
lack of the words and the statements that were made,
the lack of engaging so that the conversation could happen

(44:40):
so that the other Executive Committee members could be able
to hear UM. We just didn't have that. There are
there's an executive Council to council people for each state
centate district. There were over one hundred people who made
this vote, UM, and so Representative Debarry had the chance
to be able to speak his word and speak his

(45:02):
peace UM to everyone that was there. And there were questions,
of course that were there that people would have loved
to have answered for clarification UM, and just to be
able to get really the essence of why there would
be this claim against Representative to theory. And he did
not answer. He did not answer them. He literally did
not answer the call. But but but for both of you,

(45:24):
have it there that you have that offered. Furthermore, if
you have the opportunity to say your piecing you're used
to say it, what do you offer those who then
have to make a decision based on the lack of
your presence and therefore just have your silo couldn't be
good book steps? What do you recommend well what could
it be? That again is the last question for both

(45:45):
of you that you've already said it. He got seven
thousand votes in the primary. UM his opponent got three thousand.
But here one person of files a complaint and a
hundred people vote to remove somebody that again, that does
that not take the will of the voters out? We
often talk about let the voters decide. We all we

(46:07):
well talk about it shouldn't be shouldn't be processed, It
shouldn't be backroom deals. It shouldn't be parties deciding who
should run, who should who should go up. The voters
should decide. So neither one of you see this as
you actually not letting the voters make their own choices.
Final comment go ahead, Now, I don't I take my

(46:31):
role seriously as an executive Mintie committee member and so again,
what was given to us we were able to work with. UM.
I will say it again and again, if Representative to
Theory would like to have a conversation with me after
this is all over and said and done, UM, I
would be a static UM. I have nothing against him.

(46:51):
I am just here to be able to be the
new generation that USO is in and make sure that
we stay on track as a Democratic party. But I'm
not here to cho using pick favorites. I'm not here
to play politics. I'm not here to be invested in
whatever political capital and the best decisions that are made.
I'm just here to do what's right. And the voters
still have the option. I cannot stress this enough. If

(47:13):
Representative to Dairy really is concerned about the will of
the voters, they still elect this man come November. It's
not off the ballot. And it's frustrating that we continue
to have to circle back to this issue when Tennessee
Democrats have chance to make history with Marketa. Bradshaw in
the first Africa an American woman to be at the

(47:36):
top of the ticket in our state to run for Senate,
and we have to circle back for an issue that's
already been resolved. This man can get elected in November,
just like everyone else is on the ballot that gets elected.
It's just, it's just it's disheartening that we continue to
have to do this and beat this dead horse. What's
the way that the process has been in place in
the Constitution. It's not changed. There were no playing favorites,

(47:59):
there was no gotcham moment no party was out to
get representative Feedberry. And he still has the option to
do the work and get the votes from District ninety.
He still can do that. That still can happen. And
so I really really wish that we could just come
to a peaceful resolution on this matter. And roll and
I challenged you to then use this platform to highlight
the great things that are happening with Tennessee Democratic Party.

(48:21):
Actually I'm so I'm and be able to do that.
But here's a deal. Here's a deal. Is real simple.
You're talking to the wrong one about challenging that I've
I've discussed things about Tennessee. We on this particular show,
we dealt with the law that was passed that was
targeting protesters in that state. We dealt with the law.
And I'm not one second, one second, I'm not done yet.
I'm not saying yet. We dealt with the law on

(48:41):
this show that they passed that targeted people. When it
comes to the collection of balloting, we've done it as well.
We've actually gone live from the Tennessee State Capital with
individuals who were also targeted as well. When you have
elected officials who had to resign because of comments they
made in text messages that were discovered. We've we've covered that.
So we've actually done that. We've had numerous folks on

(49:04):
this show. The sister you're talking about when she won
her US Tennessee we covered that as well. And so
trust me, Uh we got I got this. I trust me,
And I talked to I talked to UM, I talked
to my brother, pastor Kenneth Whaleam. I talked to folks there, uh,
Wendy Thomas and others with the MLK fifty in Tennessee.
And so trust me, we cover what's happening in Tennessee.

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Uh go go right ahead with your final comment there.
Uh theoring. So here's the thing you. Representative Dberry has
given you more face time, and he's given his constituents
in District ninety in the last ten years. He thinks
that the voters are supposed to come to him this November.
I firmly believe that the voters in District ninety will
have their voices completely heard and they will elect new

(49:47):
representation that's gonna listen in power and serve them because, frankly,
Representative Dberry has not listened to them. He's not talked
to him and the votes will reflect that. All right,
we're covering the race. See what happens. Thanks very much
of the both. You want to go to my panel here?
What do you make of this? Dr Carter? Well, I mean, look,
being on a party's a ticket is a privilege, it's

(50:09):
not a right. And parties have a right to organize
themselves however they want. Now, I'm not privy to the
laws of Tennessee and the Tennessee Democratic Party and how
they determine who is or is not on their ballot
running under their name, but they do have some say
over that. And I will say, you know, I think
this case is messy for for many reasons, right. I
mean you're talking about process versus you know, what seems

(50:33):
fair or what looks like or what we'd imagine in
the ideal world. And the truth is, when you're running
under a party slate or under a party's banner, they
do have some say over who gets to do that.
And I would say, you know, for a person who yeah,
he's been elected, but he was running unopposed. Um even
in the primary, you're talking about seven thousand total votes cast.

(50:54):
Actually your guests had it wrong. He only won four
thousand votes in the primary, so it was a very
few vote orters that decided who was going to be
their general elections. That's that's that's that's must elections. First
of all, it's not that's most elections in America. No,
But my point is, this is why those early races
matter because if this is not what the majority of

(51:17):
that district wants and I don't know, I can't speak
to that district, this is what you get when you
don't pay attention to off your elections that happened in
the summer term. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Hold on, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta,
I gotta pose you on that one, because here's the piece.
We could actually make that argument on every election. First
of all, most of the people who live in congressional

(51:37):
districts don't vote, so we cannot. I'm not suggesting they do.
I'm saying that's why they matter, because if you do
have a person in office that you feel does not
represent you, this is what you get when you're not
paying attention at the time when it matters. But let
me finish the messiness of this is a procedural issue

(51:58):
and I get that. I think there's something to be
said about how that state organizes his party. But the
time to worry about that is not when it doesn't
benefit you, but before it does. When you took up
that party's banner, you knew what the rules were. I'm
not saying it's right. No, no, no no, no, no, no,
no no, Actually that's not true. That's not true. That's
not true because first of all, remember what they said
is he doesn't represent the values. There's no listing in

(52:22):
terms of what your values are. Robbed. That's the difference
of him. Point no, no no, no, no arguing about what
his values are. No, no no, no, you know you say
you said that, you said the ruins of the party messy.
And it does not look fair because people did elect him.
He is a duly elected official, right, but his ability
to run as a member of a party is not

(52:43):
a right of him. No, No No, I got that. And
and that's that the thing here, And my other point
is if you don't like, the time to care about
that is not in the general election, is not that
it's in the prime ban But that's the but that's
that's the whole deal. There, robbed a hold on a second, Doctor,
that's the deal, Rob, that's the deal if you want
to beat somebody and beat him at the ballot box.

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And what this looks But what this looks like? What
this looks like, Rob, This looks like an end around
to use a rule. One person makes an allegation, committee
votes he out. That's what it looks like. It looks like.
And I'll just tell you something like, I think people
get frustrated in politics, and I look at this is like,

(53:28):
look like the activists got smarter and actually al smart
at the institution, which rarely happens. So I guess kudos
on that end. But however, if you look at it
this way, we often criticize the party in these states
for taking positions that were people that don't necessarily alive
with people in their district and they do something like
they're back and incumbent that is not very involved and
they do a process just like that, and we criticize

(53:49):
them for that. So look, I think the place to
go beat somebody is beat him in the beat him
on the ballot, beat him in the primary end of
that process. Because because you open yourself up to this
criticism us, you can do it. I'm agreeing you can't
do it doesn't mean you should do it, because then
people become disillusion with the process, be people at the
ballot and then there's nothing to complain about. You know,

(54:09):
you know what Michael thing is is here is interesting?
Uh they reference the system marketa guess what. The Democratic
centerial campaign committee backed this other guy who raised a
whole bunch of money. He raised I think several million
dollars she raised. You know how she beat him? She

(54:30):
organized and all I'm said, I'm just saying again, let
me real clear, I don't even know this representative. But
if I'm sitting on the outside looking at it and
I get here the technical rules in terms of we
can remove somebody, here's what it sounds like. What it
sounds like is you couldn't beat him at the ballot box,
so you found another way to beat them. Now we're

(54:53):
gonna find out with him running as an independent, because
here's the piece. If he beats you as an independent,
then it was a will of the people. And I
just think that we can't we can't say will the
people were all the people? What of the people and
a committee because of one complaint. That's what blew me away.
One person may blame one Mic ahead, mic, go ahead,

(55:17):
Hold hold on, I got your turn. It is um.
I mean doc used the term messy. It is absolutely messy. Uh.
And you know meals as a former elected official. If
somebody in the Board of Elections called me up and
says one person complained about something, so you won't be
on the ballot, you understand logically that those are the rules.

(55:39):
And maybe these rules have been in place for a
long time, but it does sound like a backroom deal
they don't like to bury for whatever reason. Maybe it
is because of values or his lack of values related
to the Democratic Party, or maybe they can't beat them,
so they're trying to figure out, how do we get
this guy out there's been around for twenties six years. Well,
here's a way to do it. We need somebody to

(56:00):
raise a concern. We can go in the back room
and vote and kicking off about it. That's when it
looks that that's what it looks like. That's what happened,
and it's a mess. It just doesn't look good if
this it just it doesn't seem right. I get it.
We all understand that these are rules or the by
laws that are there. It just doesn't It seems messy,
it doesn't seem right. Well, we'll certainly see what happens

(56:23):
in November, whether or not with him running as an independent,
if his constituents will re elect him as an independent
not as a Democrat. Gotta go to commercial break. We
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(56:44):
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(59:21):
and the sand Lot. You better be and figure out
what that is. Alright, folks are amazing testimony that took
place yesterday by the FBI Director Christopher Ray. He was
speaking before the House Homeland Committee. Often happens, uh, and

(59:41):
this is what he had to say, UM, thinking, can
you tell me if UM, as of this date, you
have information uh that Russia is trying to influence the
election for uh? Yes, I think UH. The intelligence community's

(01:00:04):
consensus is that Russia continues to try to influence our elections, UM,
primarily through what we would call malign foreign influence, UH,
as opposed to what we saw in two thousand and
sixteen where there was also an effort to target election infrastructure,

(01:00:24):
you know, cyber targeting. We have not seen that second
part yet this year or this cycle, but we certainly
have seen very active, very active efforts by the Russians
to influence our election through what I would call more
than maligned foreign influence side of things, social media, use
of of proxies, state media, online journals, et cetera, an

(01:00:49):
effort to both so divisiveness and discord. Uh and and
I think the intelligence community has has assessed this publicly
uh to primarily to denigrade Vice President Biden. And what
the Russians see is kind of an anti Russian establishment. Um.
That's that's essentially what we're seeing. Thank you very much.

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Recognizes alright, fodcast is Malcolm Manson is the author of
the plot to destroy democracy? How Plutin and his spies
are undermining America in dismantling the West. Malcolm, glad to
have you back on the show. Donald Trump piste off
at that testimony from Christopher Ray was tweeting, oh why
why did he bring up China? This is the FBI director,

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All these people hollering deep state, all that's what a nonsense.
They do not want to say anything, nor does he
want Americans to know that Putin, Trump's booze buddy is
trying to fix the election again for Donald Trump. Well,
it's like I always say, Roland, when you're in debt

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to your bookie, you're never bad, Malcolm, right, Donald Trump
is just playing to his bass, which is Vladimir Putin.
And in this particular instance, Director Ray has an obligation
to tell the nation precisely what the threats are. And
right now, the biggest threat that we have is a
direct support operation that is going on by the Russian

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Federation in order to assist Donald Trump and his data
team and his field campaign in this propaganda operation to
discredit Joe Biden. In fact, they were the ones that
came up at first saying that they being the Russians,
that Joe Biden had a mental defect. And then suddenly

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the Trump campaign all of his supporters started pushing this
Russian narrative message. So, just like we were warned by
Ambassador Fiona Hill last year, the United States Republican Party
is now using Russian intelligence propaganda and attack backing the
nation with it. So FBI director Ray comes out and

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mentions that, and Donald Trump goes nuts, well, and and
and what we're dealing with here? Again? They did they
wanted this constant denial about what's going on, and they
and they yell like, China, China, China, Look at China,
Look at China. And then what happens Fox News, Laar Ingram,
Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Conservato Talk Radio China, China, China.

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And it's kind of like, but the FBI directors just
telling you Russia, Russia, Russia. And you know that's because
Donald Trump's strategy here is to tie the you know,
the Wuhan virus. What he rac, you know, racistly calls
the China virus. And you know what he alleges are

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Joe Biden's favoritism towards China, which is pretty amazing considering
Ivanka Trump has nineteen patents in that country on everything
from lingerie, voting machines and coffins um. All of these
things are part of his propaganda campaign, but it really
doesn't stick anywhere except for his base. His base loves

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it when he calls the Wuhan virus the China virus.
They love it. When he says that he's stuff on China.
You have to understand Trump and his base see Russia
as one of the last bastions of white Christiandom from
which they want to align themselves. And we've seen that

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since the National Rifle Association was penetrated by Russian influence agents, uh,
including their spy Maria Boutina, who was just recently sent
back to Russia. We found that the evangelicals had been
in bed with Russia since, including Jerry Fallwell Jr. And others.

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So Russia is just, you know, facilitating its attacks on
the United States. But instead of them leading the attacks,
they let Donald Trump do the busy work for them,
and uh, they can sit back and rest on their laurels.
Well and his also is interesting here. This is from
the Wall Street Journal article among Domestic Extremists, because first
of all, all these conservatives are talking about antifa, antifa, antifa.

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This is what they say among domestic extremists. The primary
perpetrators of deadly incidents and violence in two thousand eighteen
and two thousand nineteen and quote, the most lethal of
all domestic extremists since two thousand and one have been
those who are racially and ethnically motivated. White supremacists encompassed

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the largest share of such extremists, though this year the
lethal attacks could all be considered anti government, including anarchists
as well as self identified militia groups. Bottom line is
this Here he talked about white supremacy and what the
research says. With a growing concern by the rise of
white supremacy and other far right ideologists, Donald Trump and
Bill bar do not want to discuss that. No, absolutely

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they don't, because what you're talking about is not just
white supremacist extremism, white supremacist radicalization, neo Nazi terrorism. You
are talking about the people that vote for Donald Trump.
I mean these people. He understands that they are his base.
And as we've been he's been hinting recently, this is

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the man, the president of the United States, refuses to
condemn a seventeen year old boy who murdered two people,
but in Donald Trump's America it was acceptable for that.
There are people out there right now, following Trump's lead
who called this murderer dual murderer. Uh, you know, a

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hero within the white supremacist movement. But you know, as
far as Trump's concerned, that's just good old fashioned family
fund and somebody breaking a plate glass window or you know,
taking food from a grocery store is akin to al
Qaeda and ISIS, and he wants to use all the
resources of the United States government against them. This is

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going to prove far more dangerous, I believe, uh than
we had during the secret militia movements of the nineteen
eighties that led up to Timothy McVeigh blowing up the
Murrah Building. We have a lot more people who are armed,
a lot of people who think that the police are
on their side and that they are siting you know,

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they acting as sort of undeputized uh, you know guns
uh in line with the police. And we've seen at
least two incidents where the police said that, and in
Santa Fe, New Mexico, they referred to the militia men
as friendlies in their radio communications, and then in the
duel shooting that happened with Kyle Rittenhouse, they actually said

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they appreciated them being out there on the streets with
semi automatic weapons in a state that they didn't need
even living, guarding property that didn't belong to them, which
culminated in a crippling and a dual murder. So law
enforcement's got to recalibrate itself also. But I think Trump
is relying on this absolutely. Malcolm ans the author of

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the plot to destroy democracy. How Putin and his spies
gots pulled a book about Putin and his spies are
undermining America and dismantling the West, Malcolm was a pleasure.
Thanks a lot, Rob. Already Conservatives now are going, oh,
fire Ray. They literally right now are floating names of
people to fire Christopher Ray because they're angry. And he

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has the audacity to call Antifa not a movement but
in ideology, to speak about white domestic terrorists, and to
speak about Russia. How dare he tell the truth? How
dare he speak facts? How dare he just say what
is actually happening? Not and not actually stick to the
line of what dear leader says they I mean the

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Republican Party. This is this is what this election is
gonna be about. It's either going to destroy the Republican
Party or it's going to destroy the republic I hope
it destroys the Republican Party. And that's gonna be really
up to people, at least for a while, because what's
going on right here is very simple. If you look
at a small line and the Muller Report, there was
a small little footnote about what Russia did UH to

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really stoke racial animus. And the reason why they're not
going after the infrastructures in this country is because that's
not effective. What's more effective is to make sure that
you get people's that you get racist UH embolden, and
that you try to discourage black people from voting. What
they did. One of one of the one of the
things that I want to just note very quickly is

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that they paid black martial artists to take pictures of
what they were doing with martial arts, but only if
they posted those pictures, and then they would use those
posts to get white people to be fearful. They're going
to do things like that again and again and again
because they know the way America brings itself down is
to have old Trump reelected because he will destabilize this country.

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And when you have bad political leadership, bad economics follow.
People think it's good economics and then politics follows. No,
if you have poor political leadership in your country, your
economics will fall. That's why nation's failed. John Carl of
ABC asked Donald Trump today about the very issue of
trusting experts. Listen to this the question on the on

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the vaccine, and on on on other issues regarding the
experts in your government. Last night, you you criticize what
Christopher Ray told Congress, your FBI director. You obviously said
that the CDC director was flat wrong on a couple
of things this week. How is it that's you don't
trust your own experts to do you? Do you think?

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You know? I think I think I have in many
cases I do. I think we have a bigger problem
with China that we have with Russia. I think China
is a far bigger problem. And I said, well, that's
okay if you want to think about Russia, but what
about China. I think that's appropriate. I thought that the
definition of Antifa was an absolutely incorrect definition. So I

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speak up. I like to speak up. Uh. I have
fantastic people. That's why we're able to make these great
trade deals. That's why we're able to do things like
we're doing today. That's why the country has done so well.
The country has done numbers like nobody had. We not
had the China plague come in. If that, if that
virus didn't come in. The plague I call it the

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plague from China didn't come in. The numbers we had
were were not only records that they were beyond anything
anyone's ever seen in any country. Frankly, um um whatever, Okay,
bottom line is here, uh R, Carla was shameful here.
Not a single Republican, not a single Republican will stand

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up for the truth and say, you know what, I
trust the FBI director, whose job every day is to
focus on these very things and to keep the country safe.
But no, we're just gonna sit here and say nothing
because uh, dear leader has spoken. Well, they have totally

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abdicated all of their leadership duties here. And what Donald
Trump does is always say I think these people actually know.
It's their job to know. That's what we pay them
to do. That's why they're experts. But all he can
say is he thinks. Remember he did this last week
when he said the world is just going to cool off.
It's just gonna happen. And that's not the way global
warming works, that's not the way climate change works. But

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this is what he does when people have independence of
thought and say things that contradict his worldview, then they're
all liars and incompetent. Right, he wants to discredit them,
he wants to fire them. But he's been sowing the
seeds of this kind of discontent and disbelief in our
institutions for a very long time, whether it be our
security UH professionals, or the professionals in the Department of Justice,

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or now with the public health officials who are really
vital to our country. Right now, he has based simply
saying all of these people don't know what they're doing.
All their use of experputiefs means nothing. Meanwhile, he's never
been elected dog catcher and he knows everything right, and
all he's managed to do is lose millions of dollars
and not pay people and harass people. That's what he
knows how to do best. But we're supposed to believe

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him and the Republicans again, if we ever believe that
they would stand in the breach and actually become the
leaders that people elected them to be and say this
is not what's appropriate and this is not true, then
you know we'll be holding our breath because they're never
going to do it, because they think that their electoral
prospects are better served by keeping their mouth shut, even

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though they know this is actually dangerous to the American people.
This isn't just you know, something silly or hyperbolic that
he says, right, these things are dangerous. And when you
ignore your security community telling you that white supremacists are
the bigger threat to your national security right now there's
some of these other things that you want us to believe,
then you know we're in for a world of pain.

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Michael Um, I believe there's value to having multiple parties.
I believe there's value to having um debate from multiple sizes.
I frankly wish we had more than two parties in
the United States. I wish we had several political parties
like you see in Israel, like you see in Jamaica,

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like you see in the UK. But this is probably
the first time ever where I've said fire all Republicans.
Fire if you're a Republican who refuses to speak up
against Donald Trump and his evil and his ignorance, and
just let this man say do whatever I'm saying, fire

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all of them. I want to see every Republican losing
the United States Senate. You got, you got, Tommy Tuberville,
who in down in Alabama doesn't even know what the
hell of the Voting Rights Act is. I mean, you've
got McSally in Arizona, who could be personally responsible for
electing two Democrats, uh, to the United States Senate. I mean,
you've got Susan Collins with her thoughts and concerns and

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her utter nonsense. You've got Tom Tillis, who was Mr
voter I d down North Carolina losing to Cunningham. You
got crazy as Kelly Laffler in Georgia, her nonsense. Literally
at the rate, they will let this man do anything.
And if they let him do anything in the first
three and a half years, they damn sure can let

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this man do whatever he wants in the next four years.
And he could do whatever because it ain't no other election.
That's right, No, absolutely, and that's everything correct. Co signed
with what you just said, Rolling, I suddenly co signed
with what the professor just said as well. And it's
it's it's unfortunate that the lack of courage at the

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in particular uh, the Senate Republicans, they're just they're they're
they're disgrace. But what we have seen over the last
few weeks different than we saw and maybe the first
half forty five term was. Now you have some Republican
it's even from the administration that are coming out and

(01:16:07):
saying no, this isn't right. I'm not going to support him. No, no, no, no, no,
I'm not buying it. I feel you. I feel you.
Do you know why I ain't buying it. I ain't
buying it because you ass coming out now, and you're
coming out now because the polls are showing he's losing
it and you want to try to get a job

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when it's as lose come January. Now. See, here's my
whole deal. If you as if you're as stepped a
year ago, if you stepped two years ago, but all
of a sudden like oh like now I'm stepping out. No,
it's some people trying to cover their ass right now
because they want to be able to get jobs in

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d C, get jobs in academia, or get jobs in
corporate America. So I'm sorry. My cut off for your
ass leaving administration was after the midturn. Okay, maybe, okay,
maybe if you left in January, but if your ads
left last week, now, I ain't giving you that. I'm

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with you, but I'd rather than do it than not
do it. I'm at least glad that the Lincoln Project
has funding from Republicans. This new group Homeland Security Republicans
also are now raising money to do guds and commercials.
And I'm sure you may have at the end of
the show that you usually do so I understand how

(01:17:32):
totally with you, but I'm rather I'd rather they do
it than not do it. I feel you, I feel you,
but I feel you, But I mean my deal is, Look,
we know this game. Look but Colonel Vitman, respect, Okay,
other folks who all of a sudden, like now you

(01:17:52):
find religion. I appreciate you finding Jesus right now, But
but you finding Jesus, you in Jesus when the boat
is damn near underwater. Now you want to say Jesus,
come save me. But when Yad was partying on the yacht,
you ain't know Jesus. When you were sitting your party
and having a good time. Um, I'm litt, I don't know.

(01:18:14):
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Folks In Pennsylvania, CNN host of a drive in town
hall with Democratic President nominee Joe Biden. He was asking
a ray of questions from voters in the parking like
a p and c Field, Uh there, And the question
ranged from police and criminal justice reformed and protesting and
you he was supposed to ask, buying the question concerning
police relations with young black girls and boys, roll it,

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Vice President Biden. For him, black parents across America need
to know how much different will the talk be with
our sons and daughters about police interaction under your administration.
There'll be fundamentally different. But let me make it clear.
One of the things people say, I know, I understand

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is my mother would say, come walk in my shoes
for a mile and tell me you understand. Then very
few white parents have to have to turn and say
to the kid once they get their license, make sure
if you're pulled over and put both hands on top
of the wheel, don't reach for the glove box. Make
sure you do whatever the police officer says. The vast
majority of police are decent, honorable people. One of the

(01:21:49):
things I found is the only people who don't like
bad cops more than we don't like them are police officers.
And so what we have to do is you have
to have a much more trans parent means by which
we provide for accountability within police departments. As President of
the United States. What I will do. I will nationally
bring together police chiefs, police officers, the union people, the

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African American leadership, the communities, the brown communities, the civil
rights leaderships to the table and agree on basic fundamental
things that have to be done, including much more rigorous
background checks on those who apply for and become police officers,
to teaching people how to de escalate, three, providing for

(01:22:36):
calls like what happened in Lancaster, making sure that you
have psychologists and psychiatrists available to go out to deal
with those circumstances we can change. We started that process before.
I'm confident it can work again and again without vilifying.
There's bad cops. There's bad police officers there. I mean there,

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there's there's bad senators, are bad congressman, they're bad docs.
There's people who aren't meeting standards in every single solitary profession.
And I'm confident. I'm confident the vast majority of the
police are prepared to sit down in the White House
and a commission like Brock and I started to begin
to sit down and lay out what the minimum basic

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requirements are and what is out of bounds period, including
the ability for us to be able to go in
and look at my pattern and practice the police departments
so they're completely transparent. Donald Trump has been asked he
benefited for a white privilege. That was the conversation that
he had with journalist were Trump laughed at Off and
said that old that boto drinking the kool aid. Well,

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and soon cooper as by the same question, and this
was what he said. Sure, I've benefited just because I
don't have to go through what my black brothers and
sisters have had to go through. Number one, but number two,
you know, grow up parents, Scranton. We're used to guys
to look down their nose at us. We look at
people who look at us and think that we're suckers,
look at us and they think that we don't. We

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were not equivalent to them. If you didn't have a
college degree, you must be stupid. If in fact, you
didn't get to go to an IVY school, well, I
tell you it bothered me to tell you the truth.
Maybe it's my Scranting roots. I don't know. But when
you guys started talking on television about Biden, if he wins,
will be the first person without an Ivy League degree
to be elected president, thinking, who the hell makes you

(01:24:26):
think I have to have an Ivy League degree to
be president? And I really mean it. I found my backup. No,
I'm not joking. I'm not joking like guys like me.
But the first of my family to go to college
up here, my dad busted his neck. My dad came
up here, worked here, lost his job like a lot
of people did here. There used to be a bad

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joke in the sixties in Scranted everybody's no one's instagramed,
everybody's from scrant because so many people lost their jobs.
We are as good as anybody else. And guys like
Trump who inherit he did everything and squandered what they
inherited are the people that I've always had a problem with,
not the people who are busting their neck. Fact check.

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If it looked that he will be the first president
since Ronald Reagan not to have a degree from Ivan
League University, always gonna have a fact check. Even with
Joe Biden, the retired police chief of Wilkes Bear Police
Department in Pennsylvania told Biden is concerned about the violent
protests taking place across a nation and the lack of
respectful law enforcement he has Biden, what was his plan
to address the situation and bring our nation back together?

(01:25:32):
Mm hmm. Check this out. First of all, violent protesting
is one thing, all right to speak is one thing.
Violence of any kind, no matter who it is coming from,
is wrong. If people should be held accountable burning down
automobill wats, smashing windows, setting buildings on fire. But here's

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the deal. I've condemned every form of violence, no matter
what the sources. No matter what the source is, the
President is yet to condemn, as you've probably noticed, the
far right and the and the white supremacist and those
guys walking around the A K forty seven and not
doing a damn thing about them. This is absolutely look

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his own his own former UH fresh Secretary Kelly and
Conway said, I'm I'm paraphrasing. Chaos and violence are good
for our administration. They're good for us. President talks about
and Joe Biden's America. I gotta remind him he may
be really losing it. He's president, I'm not the president.

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This is Donald Trump's America. Do you feel safer in
Donald Trump's America when he incites these kinds of things?
The idea is it's wrong no matter what the source is,
where it comes from. I condemn it all and people
should be held accountable. But folks, I'm waiting for the
day when he said, is I condemn all those white

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supremacist I condemn those militia guys as much as I
do every other organizational structure. And by the way, Chief,
when you put that bad john and you walk out
the door, you have a right to come home to
your family safely, period period. But it also condemn Attorney
General Bill Barr's comments licking in coronavirus restrictions to slavery.

(01:27:27):
You know, I would Bill Barr recently said is outrageous.
That is like slavery. We're taking away freedom. I would
tell you what takes away your freedom. What takes away
your freedom is not being able to see your kid,
not being able to go to the football game or
baseball game, not being able to see your mom or
dad sick in the hospital, not being able to do
the things. That's what costs our freedom. And it's been

(01:27:48):
the failure of this president to deal to deal with
this virus. And he knew about it, he knew the
detail of it, he knew it in clear term Imagine
how he at the State of the Union stood up
and said, when back in January, I wrote an article
for USA Today saying we've got a pandemic. We got
a real problem. Imagine if he had said something, how
many more people would be alive? Hold her, asked Biden,

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what does his plan to make health care affordable so
that Americans don't drain their savings? First of all, the
middle of this pandemic, what's the president doing. He's in
federal court, federal court trying to do away with your
Affordable Care Act. Hundred million people with pre existing conditions
like your mom would not have to pay more for

(01:28:32):
their insurance under now. But guess what happens if, in
fact he wins. That's number one. Number two, what I
would do is make sure that we reinstate the Affordable
Care Act, number one and add a public option to
that Affordable Care Act so that nobody, nobody in the
United States America would go without being able to be

(01:28:54):
covered for what they need. With regard to COVID, for example,
you I don't want to get to My son died
of cancer and came home from Iraq, and I have
to tell you it really, really offended me when he
volunteered to go there for a year and he came

(01:29:16):
home because of stage four glieablelastoma, and the President referred
to guys like my son he won the Bronze Star
of the Conspicuus Service Medal, referred him as losers. Losers
talk about losers. My point is this the idea that

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healthcare is debated as whether or not it's a right
or a privilege. It's an absolute right, and so we
have to make sure, particularly in the moment of COVID,
that any cost relating to COVID are in fact free.
The federal government guarantees be taken care of. Folks. We've
got some breaking news we have to separate from all

(01:29:59):
of the is here. Uh wow, stunning news. Supreme Court
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died at the age of
eighty seven. She had been battling uh menasastic pancreatic cancer. Uh.
She had has fought pancreatic cancer for a number of years.
She had been uh in and out of the hospital.

(01:30:23):
This is a stunning announcement. Uh that just came down
literally one minute ago. Supreme Court announcing that Ruth Bader
Gainsburg a pioneer on the Supreme Court, one of the
leading attorneys in this country. Clearly, Uh, the leading women's
rights attorney of the twentieth century has passed away at

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the age of eighty seven. Uh. This, of course, UH
is shocking. Uh. Dr no, Uh it is Uh. Let's
let's go to actually before I've done my panel. Eli Mistel,
who was with the nation Uh Eli Uh Uh this
is just UM, I mean, this is it's it's shocking news. Uh.
I don't want to get into the political piece of

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it yet, but let's first talk about this woman. When
you talk about a pioneer, the documentary that was done
on her, the movie that was done on her, what
she did to change the laws of this country to
make women equal. Uh, she has no peer. Um. She

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has been the foremost fighter uh for women's rights and
women's equality. Uh for thirty years. Um. She's fought. She
fought before it, before she was on the Supreme Court,
fought for while she was on the court. Um. She
has been the person who's hold that light the highest Um.

(01:31:51):
It's devastating uh that she's gone. UM. Let's just be
clear she had been holding on on UM. She wanted
to see a Democrat elected for her to be able
to retire. Um. This is the one thing that literally
progressive that we're praying for her health that she could

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live passed the election if Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
could win, because Republicans, Uh, they by replacing her, you're
talking now having a six three majority on the United
States Supreme Court. Yeah, and there's a there's nothing that
I foresee the Democrats can do to stop that from happening. Um.

(01:32:40):
If Mitch McConnell had you know, any decency um, um,
he would use the same rules that he used the
block Marrick Garland UM in Obama's last term. McConnell and
invented a rule um that you can't change Supreme Court
justices during the election year. Um. We are you know
physically had died in uh February of sixteen, Ruth Peter

(01:33:05):
Ginsburg Paris have passed away. Um in in September of
an election year. So we're closer to the election um
than when intonastically it passed away. If McConnell had any
um decency or consistency, he wouldn't put forward a nominee
until the presidential election was started. Out. Obviously they know

(01:33:25):
he doesn't. Obviously he's promised and his Republican UM sycophants
will follow along. Trump will have somebody nominated, I imagined
by Monday or Tuesday, and you know that that nomination
will be pushed through uh very quickly. I think, uh,
either right before the election or in the lane duck,

(01:33:47):
if they want to keep it open as an election issue,
UM to motivate their base. It's uh there I I legally, UM,
I don't see any any way to to stop that.
When you think about to her career, when you think
about the cases she argued before the Supreme Court, the
creation of uh, the Women's Lost Center with the A

(01:34:08):
C l U. Again, when you just look at case
after case, Uh, that was more lies on the big
screen as well. I mean again, if if, if, if
you talk about uh, the legal giants in America, there's
no doubt Third Good Marshal is on that Mountain Rushmore.
I would dare say Ruth Bader Ginsberg is sitting right

(01:34:30):
next to him on that same mount Rushmore. Absolutely, she's
the only the second woman ever UM to sit on
the Supreme Court, UM, the first kind of openly a
liberal one or openly progressive one if you will, UM,
and she's had a story career. I think that she's,
you know, one of I'm starting to it feels a

(01:34:51):
little bit early to to kind of get into her
judicial legacy. UM. But you know, one of the things
that I think she will be remembered for in a
way that's a little bit different than some of the
other great justices, UM that you've remembered UM is her
fierceness and descent um. Uh. People don't always understand the
value of a good descent, right because either you win

(01:35:12):
the case or you know you're you're you're lost, and
so why do you write about how you lost? Um.
Rbg's descents put made it clear um the liberties conservatives
were taking with the law, the harm they were doing
to the law. And in often cases, I think in
many situations, I think her descent pointed the way forward

(01:35:35):
um to changes in the law, to strengthenings UM of
the law. She never let being on the kind of
losing end of a five forward decision UM stop her
or or or or darken her moral clarity on an issue.
And that's intensely valuable, and not everybody can do it.
She did it particularly well invept in the Amber carter Um.

(01:35:56):
This is of course shocking news. She had been again
battling significant health issues over the last uh several years,
but it really UH in and out of the hospital
in the last year. Earlier this year she was in
Jonathan Johns Hopkins UH University a couple of times. UH.
And UM, I mean this is I mean, anytime you

(01:36:18):
lose obviously one of non Supreme Court justices, it is
big news. But the fact that we are sitting here
almost at the end of September, with any election on
the horizon, UH, and any political operative would know that
when you look at uh, what is happening here, likely
Donald Trump loses this election, Democrats will win the White House.

(01:36:41):
Democrats not only that likely or to take control of
the United States Senate. They were hoping and if they
were able to win White House and Supreme Court, that
they would be able to replace Ginsberg on the Supreme Court.
They the same feeling was that UH and she was
thinking that this was gonna happen four years ago, that
Hillary Clinton was gonna beat Donald Trump. And she could

(01:37:02):
have retired at that particular time, but she stayed on
hoping Democrats will win, and that's not going to be
the case. As as Ellie just said, Look, Republicans, and
let's just be clear, Donald Trump has been waiting for this.
In fact, clearly that must have been a heads up
for Donald Trump. Was it earlier this week to all
of a sudden the last week, to all of a
sudden come out and announced his Supreme Court list that

(01:37:27):
came out of nowhere. Yeah, and that list is terrifying.
If you actually looked at that list of UM. Tom
Cotton is just one of many UM. Judge Hoe was
on it. There a lot of conservatives on there that
would give many people pause. And you know, I first
you don't want to give my condolence to the Ginsburg
family and to all those who knew her, because she
was such a icon for so many people, in such

(01:37:49):
a beacon, especially in her latter years, who was fighting
UM valiantly because she knew what was at stake UM
should she pass away on the bench and Miss McConnell
told us a year ago in nineteen that if she
died or there was an opening, they would feel it.
So I have no doubt that they will move quickly,
expeditiously right to get this seat field as quickly as

(01:38:11):
possible with one of the most conservative names on that
list that they can find. Um. And and this is
what you've been talking about all year, rolling about why
elections are important, because what this enables the Republicans to
do is extend their reach over the arc of history.
Right long after Donald Trump is gone, these people will
still be installed on that Supreme Court and our you know,

(01:38:33):
dead set against any of the things that most Americans
care about, like protection of voting rights, women's right to choose,
all these things, you know, criminal justice reform. Right, these
people are there as a stop gap against progress, quite frankly,
and that's why they're putting in them in these offices.
That's why that list that Donald Trump circulated last week
looks the way it does, and it just calculated last week,

(01:38:53):
looks the way it does. And it is right of
what's happened right right now, what's happening right now on
this moment, Old Um. This is the headline on the
front page of the Huffet de Post simply two words.
Gainsberg did I mean, it's just it's just it's terrible news.

(01:39:15):
I mean, it's it's I mean obviously too. I mean,
you're correct about a pioneer, obviously, thoughts and prayers to
her family. But it's just this is awful. It's awful
in so many different ways. I know the Professor touched
on some. But if they move with dispatch, which I
think we all know that Senator McConnell will, This Supreme Court,

(01:39:38):
the six three uh Supreme Court has the opportunity, if
it gets to that point, to potentially decide this election
if there are critical issues related to states. Obviously they
are not gonna be in a session. They have to
call come back for these kinds of matters, as they
did in two thousands with the Gore Bush decision. The

(01:40:02):
ramifications are terrible. And keep in mind that yes, elections
of consequences. Clearly, Republicans have always cared much more about
court appointments than Democrats have. And when they put on
their appointments, they put on folks in their forties and fifties,

(01:40:24):
which means they will sit on the court for four decades.
So this is a problem so wide and so huge,
and Justice Denberg did everything she could. You don't think
she wanted to live her life peacefully, relaxing, reading books,

(01:40:46):
writing her memoir in her last days. Of course she did.
But she wanted to hang top because she knew the
importance of her seat. And now that seat is going
to be filled by out far right wing conservati Rob Richard,

(01:41:07):
Rob it is. And again, UM, I don't want to
have a hard core political conversation, but you have to. Uh,
today is September. We know exactly what Mitch McConnell was
going to do. I can tell you right now there's

(01:41:28):
no doubt in my mind that the final vote will
probably take place October. They are not going to wait
on anything. Look, they played for keeps uh and this
is and and look, she was very una bachelory liberal
she and she was valuely trying to hold on to

(01:41:52):
see who won. That's what I mean. She was. She
this woman was fighting for her life to hold on. Yeah,
there's no question. And first of all, obviously blessings out
to her family and they have lost her. But she
meant a lot to so many people. You know, she
her legacy was about like I think it's too simple
to say she was a liberal. She was a person

(01:42:13):
that fought for values that I believe are American. She
fought for the equal rights of women. She fought for
the equal rights of African Americans, and she did so
in a way uh that was able to sometimes bring
people over. She would you know, what what I think
is being missed is that there are a lot of
really close decisions that that have happened over the last
couple of years that went five four that really shocked people. UM.

(01:42:35):
And I know she had a lot to do with
that because she had an understanding of how to talk
to the justices and make them understand the bigger picture
of why they are here. Even though even some of
the conservative justices that she could reach now missing that. UM.
I mean, I'm afraid of the consequences that are going
to come out. And this is going to be thirty
or forty or fifty years and you know even when

(01:42:57):
you and you do need to change these branches of government.
So this selection still matters a lot. Uh. But now
we have an area that that I hope people understand
because they will begin to understand because there will be
some really really awful decisions that are going to really
affect people's lives in a way that they will see it.
But I hope, I hope people understand and Democrats understand
the fact that they have to play. They don't play

(01:43:19):
the long game when it comes to judges. They act
like this is something they can wait on. Judges are
almost the most important thing you have in your legacy.
When you're a president and you're in the Senate period.
There are people that are going to decide these cases.
They're gonna decide whether people have a right to a jury.
They're gonna decide whether police can come and search you
for any reason. These laws have been decided by the
Supreme Court, and they affect everyday people. What people act

(01:43:41):
as if these things are somehow far away and they
don't affect you. So I hope we learn a lesson
from this, because sometimes you have to go through a
lot of pain, and I do think that will be
in pain in this country based upon what's happened. And
it's not gonna just hurt Democrats. It's gonna hurt Republicans,
It's gonna hurt common ordinary people. And I hope folks
understand that these decisions matter. But for now, definitely rest
her soul. She made a difference. Her legacy will definitely

(01:44:03):
outlast her, and her ideals will still be pushed forward,
Elie Mistil, You're still there, Ellie, still there, folks, Okay, sorry,
Ellie is gone there. UM, this is um again. It
is uh. It's a shock. The news came down just
several minutes ago, the Supreme Court announcing that seventy year

(01:44:26):
old Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the second woman to serve on
the United States Supreme Court, UH, died as a result
of pancreatic cancer UM. She had been diagnosed with pancreated
cancer UM several years ago. In fact, she previously had
She previously had UM. She previously had cancer. And the

(01:44:47):
reason her cancer, the reason her cancer was caught was
because of of that particular UM cancer. Pancreated cancer happens
d within the body. Typically once they discovered it is
too late. You might recall Congressman John Lewis died of
pancreatic cancer. But and only about four to five of

(01:45:11):
people with pancreatic cancer live uh, upwards of four to
five years. UM. Congressman Alcie Hastings, he was diagnosed more
than two years ago pancreatic cancer. UH. And it's still
a member of Congress and it is still fighting. UH.
And so she was, like I said, when she was

(01:45:31):
she was she was diagnosed. Uh, she had been uh
fighting it for a significant long significant time. Um you know.
She was of course married to Martin Ginsberg, was a
tax attorney who who helped her um um you know
with her first argress before of the Supreme Court. He

(01:45:55):
passed away of testicular cancer um. Uh and then which
of course, uh of course developed uh in two thousand
and ten. Uh. She was, as I said, a prominent attorney,
one of the first women uh to go uh to
uh to law school. Was a was a fierce fighter

(01:46:17):
when it comes to the courtroom. Smart as all get out.
She attended Cornell University. Uh, that's what she graduated from.
In addition to that, uh, she enrolled in the Harvard
University in nineteen fifty six, only one of nine women
in a class of five hundred where they did not
even have uh female bathrooms at Harvard University. Uh, she

(01:46:39):
of course uh was was ignored. She eventually transferred to
Columbia Law School, where she actually got her degree uh
from there and uh and she earned that degree in
nineteen fifty nine, and no shock, she graduated first in
her class. Dr Carter. Again, when we look at her

(01:47:00):
um when we look at her um career, when you
look when you look at history, when you look at
the laws that were struck down, there were laws. You know,
we talk about African Americans, but but also, I mean
we always said this nation was built for white male landowners,
and there were clear laws in this country that were

(01:47:20):
designed to keep women in their place, to keep them
in the home. And that particular lawsuit where she actually
represented a man who was a caregiver, uh utilizing tax
law to actually lead to uh equality when it comes
to women. And then they went after law after law.

(01:47:42):
This is this woman was a legal giant before she
even got on the Supreme Court. Absolutely, and I think
you know, when we think about where women are today,
we don't think about the fact that not very long ago,
women couldn't have credit cards, right, women couldn't ensure vehicles.
I mean, basic things that we take for ran it
um that we can do now are largely because of

(01:48:03):
the advocacy in the fight of a Ruth Bader Ginsberg
and the many women that you know she she brought
along with her. I mean, she was also responsible for
bringing in a cadre of women to the legal profession
in in nurturing of those young legal minds. So I think,
you know, you cannot, you know, properly memorialize someone, um

(01:48:25):
who had a career as great as hers and as
long as hers. And I think Rob is exactly right.
I mean, the thing about Ruth Bader Bensberg, more than
sort of her ideological positions, was the fact that she
was always thinking about what was just what was going
to make this democracy more robust. How can we expand

(01:48:45):
the boundaries of who we are so that we can
actually be the best of who we think we are, right, um,
so that we can actually be the America that we
claim and we purport to be. And I think that's
what made her great. And I think, um, you know,
as you detailed her last years, I mean made her
so much more courageous than people appreciated, because she pushed
past her pain and her discomfort and sacrifice time with

(01:49:09):
her family and her loved ones in order to make
sure this country didn't fall by the wayside, right and
didn't slip into into the dumpster fire. Quite frankly, um,
that is uh, this particular moment, and I think it's um,
you know, it's it's really frightening to think of what's
going to come next, because that's all I can think

(01:49:30):
about at this moment. And I'm thinking about all of
the political jockeying that will happen before this woman is
even laid to rest, right, um, and then you know
all of the insincere condolences that will come her way
when we know some of these very same people couldn't
stand her because she stood in the way of what
they were trying to do. UM. And so I'm just

(01:49:51):
I'm all in awe of of all that is Ruth Skator,
Ruth Bader Ginsberg's career, um, and all that she was
able to do for people like me and others, quite frankly,
and I think, Michael that unfortunately, UM, I think a
lot of the focus is not going to be on
her career. I think a lot of it is not
going to be on the laws that she shepherded, that

(01:50:13):
she had changed through judicial decisions. And I think that
what people also have to understand we talked about these
very laws. Remember she had to go before the Supreme
Court to change these laws. People keep hearing me on
this show yell at the top of my lungs, voting
does indeed matter presidents pick Supreme Court justices, they are

(01:50:35):
confirmed or denied by the United States Senate elections matter.
And this is a woman who again was first in
her class at Columbia, yet its Supreme Court justice, Free
Felix Frankfurter refused to hire her as a clerk because
she was a woman. Forget the fact that she was
number one in her class, smarter than any other guy

(01:50:58):
at Harvard or at Columbia. He refused to hire her
because she was a woman. And so and this woman
later who gets refused as a Supreme Court of clerk,
later gets appointed by President Clinton to serve on the
U S. Supreme Court. Uh. And it is going to
be a lot, a lot of political jockeying. I haven't

(01:51:20):
even checked, but I guarantee you, I guarantee you white
conservative evangelicals they are have in a moment of glee
right now because this is what that This is why
Ms McConnell blocked Merritt Garland, this is why they elected Trump.
Uh for Neil Gorsick and then of course Kavanaugh. And

(01:51:43):
now with this they will hold a and they will
pick somebody who is not a moderate, who is not
a centrist. They are going to pick someone who is
just as conservatives Clarence Thomas and conservatives will hold. And
and here's the other piece, What this what this does?
We canned John Roberts had turned into the so called centrists.

(01:52:04):
Now they don't need his vote. That's correct, it's um.
It's as you know for the uh, you know, the
late hate to even say the late Justice Ginsburg is
a giant clearly um. And the consequences of this, as

(01:52:24):
I mentioned a little earlier, we all mentioned affirmative action
on the table, real versus way on the table, HBCU funding,
public funding on the table. All these issues are now
on the table. Stopping frisk on the table, U n

(01:52:45):
r A, gun rights back on the table, relative to
loosening some of those restrictions. All of these issues that
the courts have fought so hard for are now on
the table. And you're gonna see suit after suit even
once President Bibs and Vice President hours or in office.

(01:53:05):
Even though the country is changing demographically, even though our
world is moving in a different direction, the Supreme Court
will now be there, said earlier, as an incredible backstop
to slow that progress. And now that all these issues
are on the table, and we use conservative groups suit states,

(01:53:29):
they know that at least they may have a six
three margin, and that is terrible for women, for people
of color, for immigrants, for people trying to get a
second chance, returning citizens. It is this is terrible. And
for folks I know you're right, rolling, exactly right. The

(01:53:51):
folks on the right are completely gleeful because the only
reason some of these folks even participate in politics, and
so their president think can support federal judges or appoint
federal judges on our side, we which we don't take
as seriously. Now you'll see why for the next half
a century this is terrible, terrible. I'll just say this

(01:54:17):
to include to conclude this. You know, she said real change.
This is um r GB Ruth Bader Ginsberg real change.
And during change happens one step at a time. So
and it's not a linear process. So we're gonna have
to keep fighting here. And if you're able to win
the Senate, if you're able to win back that, if
you're able to keep the House, and you advance and
you get the presidency, and we actually uh move the

(01:54:40):
ball forward, and then we have people we can hold
accountable to push because there's gonna have to be more
progressive laws to counteract these things. That are the judges
that are trying to prevent progress. I don't even like
staying conservative. They're going to appoint a radical person to
that position that does not believe in our humanity or
that doesn't believe in quality under the law for women.

(01:55:01):
That's not conservative to me. That's something else, and that's
going to be bad for America. So at least people
will be I think, more awake, and they will need
to fight harder than ever because you know this, we've
taken a step back, but we gotta keep moving forward,
one step at the time, as she would have wanted
us to do. Indeed, folks, the breaking news just moments ago,

(01:55:23):
UH Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died at
the age of eighty seven, the second woman apportned to
the United States Supreme Court by President Bill Clinton. A
pioneer lawyer within her own right, she of course the
subject of books of documentaries. She will rise doctors of course,

(01:55:45):
also the big screen movie as well. UH. An absolute
amazing lawyer h a A a legal giant, someone who
of course UH women looked up too. In this country.
Uh men as well, but women absolutely because of her
pioneering status. We will have more on the passing of

(01:56:09):
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Better Ginsburg on Roland Martin on
Filter on Monday. There were some additional stories we were
going to get to, but we will show those on
Monday as well. Typically, we closed the show out with
our charter member list. We will not do that today
or nor the appeal for you to join our Bring
the Funk fan Club. We will simply uh Faith to

(01:56:31):
Black again. Ruth Better Ginsburg, Supreme Court Justice, dead at
the age of eighty seven. H s.

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