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August 15, 2025 • 38 mins
And just like that, a shit-tastic ending to another bad season. It could have been so much better. Stefanie and Cecily are riled up and they have a lot of opinions but be warned, this episode is dirty.

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's me Cecily Nobler here with obviously Stephanie Wilder Taylor
and it's not obvious well and Sarah Jessica Parker let
me finish, and Sarah, because we want to do like
the biggest send off that you've ever Like other podcasts
are going to talk about this. Obviously it's the big
news right now. But we got Sava, you got them.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
I love how we're proguessing it right. I have you know, okay,
peek behind the curtain. We know how much you guys
love a peak behind the curtain. You're just like, I please,
please show us behind the curtain. I just told Cecily.
I was like, I don't know, I don't have like
a lot of notes. But then all of a sudden,
I realized I do have a lot to say about

(01:04):
the woke yet kind of anti woke, yet we're making
fun of woke. That went on in this episode that
made me want to punch a writer in the face.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Oh you should, I mean on no offense, but I
feel like you should no offense.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I really really need a word with whoever wrote the
Thanksgiving the oh yeah, the dinner scene. I want to
hurt somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
No, it was quite literally one of the worst things
I've seen on television in a long time. And there's
been some bad listen. As much as TV has been
the medium for us, like the last five years, like
it stepped up when movies fell off, there's been some
really good TV, there's also been some really bad TV.
So this isn't like the worst thing I've ever seen
in my life, but it's it's up like that scene

(01:47):
that you're talking about is up there.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
The sad thing is that there were a few things
where the writing was better than normal, do you know
what I'm saying? Like, We'll get to a few scenes
where I was like, oh, they have the ability to
write a little better than their writing right. Hold on
a second. I'm having dinner delivered to me, which ooh,

(02:12):
what'd you get? I got a sandwich from the habit I.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Don't even know that place.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
It's a place that has chicken sandwiches. They have burgers,
you know, Like, yeah, this is a little bit different
of a time of day that we're recording. I'm trying
to like, I'm trying to shoe my dog out of
the room because she's ready to bark anyway, I get it,
I live it. Yeah, so I was like, there were

(02:40):
a couple of moments that were written better, but then
not overall. Right, did you feel I really want your
opinion on this, did you I feel that things were
shot already, But I mean, I definitely don't think that
this they knew at all that they were canceled.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Oh, I agree. They just thought this was like the
end of the season, this season for sure. For sure. Yeah,
I mean there's no way, like, there's no way. I
want to say, there's no way. Sarah Jessica Parker's happy
with this, But then again, I don't think she gives
a fuck. I think she's fine with it. She doesn't
care she cashed the check. She's so zombied out.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I saw an interview with her that somebody pressed on
my beloved Reddit. Did you see this? There's an interview
where she kind of seems emotional about it, but she's
definitely acting like it was also her decision, and it's
so clear that it wasn't. Like even in the interview
she's like, yeah, you know, we just figured. Sometimes I

(03:41):
know the audience is like really surprised about it, but
you know, sometimes you have to leave the characters. You know,
sometimes you just have to let it go. It was
just so obvious.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Mean, while Kim Cotrella is like, fuck you bitch, Yes,
that's what I've been saying this whole time, and you
wouldn't let me. So now she's so full of shit.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Well, Kim Katrolla, I mean the show. I think it's
also very obvious that the show isn't doing well then
people hate it, right, And I think that that's where
you go, like, you know, we don't want to ruin
the characters. We don't want to go Friday. Yeah it's not. Yeah,
you fucked it up.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's too late to get rid of I mean, Samantha,
they couldn't do anything about but to the big I mean,
it's just it's really like, as we've said the whole
time that we've covered this, every turn was wrong. Every
turn I mean honestly, honestly, yes, Like I can't believe
they could get something like this. This would it would
be like bringing back Succession but bringing Shaye and what

(04:39):
if they brought Succession?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
They're like okay, Like Brian Cox comes out, He's like, well, Golf,
we're gonna do a movie, a Succession movie. And then
Shaye pops down and she's like, I'm I'm back, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I'm here.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, oh my god. And Shay is just like correcting
everybody and and don't.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
We don't say fuck off? That's very like patriarchy.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
We don't say that. He likes, what, oh my god,
that would be a funny like little Sketch and the
shade and everything into Breaking Bad. And then everybody on
this show's like, Dad, stop, like that's not stop. And
he's like, I'm not going to stop. You stop it.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Because you stop it. Funk off, fuck off, roman Off,
all of you. Fuck you cha.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
He's just constantly said that's his new catchphrases. What if
they brought like Breaking Bad back somehow? And Chase God oh,
he's like trying to change is like, why won't you
let me cook up some meth.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I'm a full comedian who used to have a show
in La Everyone knows that.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Do you think I've never done meth? I've been to
the comedy store, I've hung out with Rogan and they're like, Okay,
we don't have to put real names in this, Like
this is just like a script.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
It's like a make believe you know. Also, well, I can't.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
I don't want to do the big spoiler alert for
Breaking Bad if you haven't seen the ending, I don't
want to ruin it for yeah, but don't imagine imagine.
And then then the reviews are all shaming the people,
like for not being woken up. They're like, yeah, it's
like people can't accept, like they can't, you can't accept
a new character and Breaking Bad like this is on

(06:15):
the audiences. They're trying to this is I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, evolve, evolve or die, you know. And then on succession,
like just Kieran Colkin just giving that face, like the fuck,
what's going on?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
This is a genius idea to bring Chaye back to
ruin every franchise.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Everything, every franchise, anything.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Everything that ended even perfectly Six feet Under. And again
I'm not going to spoil a finale, but the best
finale of all time. We all agree on that, yep.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
And somehow they just bring Jay back. They're like, we're
gonna somehow bring it back. Yep.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
We didn't know we could really figure out how, but
we're gonna. We're actually going to put them all the
way back in junior high. Everyone's going to be in
junior high. Yep, we're going to kind of get a prequel.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Chay is going to be there, Sara, uh huh, correcting everybody.
People to start calling her Sarah and she's like, it's
Soda and then they're like, oh, okay, sorry, Yeah, she
has to. She works into her contract that you can't
change her name for any like she doesn't do cha, Like, no,

(07:15):
it can't be Chay. It has to be Soda. It's like,
I'm not I'm not just rebooting. They reboot The Cosby
Show with Cosby and somehow sodas and that. Yes, And
like the first episode is Cosby is like amount of money,
so I, Camel, I gotta go back to becoming a
guy of cologist. Don't forget he was a kind of cologist.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yes, so of course, because of course he was never
talked about it.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
So like the first episode is Jay Jay is going
in for like a check up. We're like this is
shocking on every level, Like, are you just trolling us television?
Just like trolling us?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Oh my god, you know it's not drolling enus though?

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(09:17):
Ye yeah, do it for Chay, do it for cha?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, do it for the thought. So let's get into
this bullshit. Okay, So Carrie goes to a restaurant. Is
this like a what's kind of gad what? Yes? It
starts out. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I was just saying, oh my god, this restaurant, which
is so stupid, like like a jap like a new
like a modern Japanese Yes, with little robots that bring
your food and you order on iPads.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Which these kind of restaurants are actually like pretty normal.
It's not crazy, like that is sort of done.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I mean I get, yeah, it exists. It's a thing
I could see carry not loving it. I will give
them this. One thing they stuck with is Harry has
always been bad at like technology. She's never been able
to really work a cell phone. Her computer always broke.
She didn't understand that. She didn't like, she didn't back
up her computer. There were lots of really fun episodes
about that.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
So I kind of got that she wouldn't. I wouldn't
know how to like order from a place like that.
I feel like they were trying to do like a
lost in translation kind of thing. Like I'm metly.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I didn't feel like I didn't feel like it was
that deep. I just felt like it was like nobody
acts like nobody's like what, oh my god, just order
me anything just that you pick. That's just not a
thing you'd say, like, oh, dude, I like chick some
dumplings and like chicken dumplings. You wouldn't be like, I
don't know, help you crazy. I just walked it. But

(10:41):
that's what she says. She goes, you pick and then.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
To make it worse because we have to. It's really
to tell us how alone she is. It's so difficult.
I'm alone all the time. I've lived by myself most
of my love. I'm not even I'm not saying it's
bad or good. I go to the movies by myself.
I love traveling, you know. I like going to Europe
by my Like I don't. I think it's so weird
that it's the biggest deal in the world that she's
having a fucking meal in the city that she lives

(11:05):
in by herself and then bring it like a puppet
or whatever that was Tommy Tomato doll. It's like, what
is that? And it's like, oh, so you're not so alone.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
So, first of all, that would never happen. But it
was reminding me of this movie that I'm sure we
have both seen, where Charles Grodin. Do you remember what
I'm talking about? Where he and they bring in a
bunch of like he has a bunch of mannekins around
him because he lives by himself and he's lonely. I
don't remember that. It's a really funny movie, and I

(11:36):
can't remember, like, mister like the Lonely Guy, Is it
the like the Lonely Guy?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
I ever saw that?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Oh my god, Okay, I have to look it up,
the lone League Guy. See if that was it? The
Lonely Guy in nineteen eighty four film. Oh it's Steve Martin.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Okay, I don't remember. I kind of remember it now,
but I didn't. Don't I saw it?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Okay, Well, it was a great movie. It's really funny.
But that's what So it wasn't Charles Groden, but close enough. Uh,
Steve Martin Charles Groden, similar similar idea, but anyway, Yeah,
it's a thing where he's like, you know, hangs out
with like mannequins and stuff. And I was like, nobody's
doing that in twenty twenty five. Nobody's going like, oh no,
you're by yourself. We can't have you be low. So

(12:22):
she's annoyed, which understandably. Yeah, that was just weird.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
So then okay, then we cut to Lisa who's still
editing with what's his face, marian h and they're having
like a little they have a little chemistry, and she
gets she gets a text or something. I was like
Michelle Obama's people they think maybe like she might be
too big for that or whatever the fuck it is.
It was like what they're going to forward it to
her and if she likes it, she's gonna narrate it.
So they're so excited, Oh my god, we did it.

(12:49):
Let's go for a drink. And she finally like just
shuts the shit down. She's like, we can't go for
our drink. She just has a meltdown. He's like, what
the fuck is even happening? But she wasn't wrong because
he wants he's he's a little he was a little slimy. Yep,
I guess was what that was supposed to all say.
And she's like, no, I love my husband. I'm not
going to drinks with you.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
But I mean that, I mean that's kind of a
that's kind of a quick way to wrap that up. Yes, yes,
a very quick way. So the whole thing is supposed
to be what that She's like acknowledges that sometimes marriage
isn't great, like in sicknesses and in health. It's like,
I think they've been married for a while to kind
of do that right, to kind of do the Oh

(13:33):
I thought I was supposed to be like excited all
the time, but now I'm understanding that, like it's deeper
than that, Like, oh, no, shit.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Right exactly exactly, And it was all this, that was
the whole season, And she's like, nope, I mean if
it was that, if it was all that, like you
probably shouldn't work together at all. You're constantly battling this
spark I mean where to go? Yes, yeah, I mean
that's that made that didn't make a lot of sense.
But maybe she got the ick because he was like
too much. All of a sudden, He's like, we gotta

(14:01):
go celebrate Lisa, beautiful, beautiful Lisa, get you me and
Tommy Tomato.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, yeah, you have to admit it was a little
bit like all of a sudden out of nowhere. He's
basically acknowledging it too, like he's kind of hitting on
her hard.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Now you're not He's like, you're not wrong, you're right.
That's probably not best for us. You're right right, you're right.
If it was just up to me, I would have
totally fucked your brains out tonight.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
But like right nah, and he would yeah yeah nah
nah nah. Now if you're not cool with it, I'm
not cool with it. I get it, I get it,
I work.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
We got Michelle Obama, so let's be cool.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Oh okay, I wrote down though that like right when
like everything happens with when she's getting the phone call
and she's all excited and you just know that Herbert
like bust in that edit Bay, like the kool aid man,
like let me go down on you right now, like
right now, She's like, I just okay.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Then we go to Miranda and Marianza. Okay, we're not
going to ever be able to get to say this again.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Oh that is kind of sad. It is sad and
sad for the actor too, because we deserved he deserved more.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
He's actually a decent actor. There's so many like better
people than our leads like he did best and I
thought he was an interesting character, and we just shoved
him off, Like I can't believe he even got to
be on it at all.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
And he didn't even get to have any kind of.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Wrap up, and he had no yeah, no storyline. How's
he doing?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Does he have health issues?

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Does he have a girlfriendably no story He was a
major part of the show for years and years and years.
Has a baby with the like lead characters like, are
you kidding? Yeah, there's a dog barking that is not
monro I just wanted to I can't hear it.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yes, so marian do? So they're having dinner and Miranda's like,
are you sure you don't want to come to Thanksgiving?
And then I don't know what Steve says, but he's like, hey,
marian dos so this is you don't need me? Yeah
He's like, yeah, he goes.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
You don't need me, making it worse Mirianda, But do you.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Love the fact that we've injected Okay, let's just say
for a moment that the show didn't get canceled. They
you mean to tell me that they were gonna sick
this girl that Brady's girlfriend. So I'm telling you, this
was the season of just side characters having way too
much to do. But we would have been we would

(16:26):
have been forced to watch Mia, the Mia character, for
another whole season. It would have been worse than Chay.
I think you're I agree, he is worse than Chay.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
I agree, but I don't think I've seen anything worse
in my life.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
It's also kind of the same idea, right, right, So yeah,
taking a note from your fucking audience, Michael Patrick King,
You're like, oh, really, I see you, I see you people.
I'm gonna just make it even worse.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I mean, somebody had said this, maybe Onbreddit or somewhere.
They're like, do you think that they were just joking around?
Like they lost to Dare, Like Sarah and Michael Patrick
King like made a bet and thegit like they had
to just make it worse and worse, Like if you lose,
you have to you have to somehow like create the
worst character that's ever exists. Like do you think they're
fucking with us a little bit? Is that possible? Maybe

(17:15):
with the hat and Mia and all that, Like yeah, maybe, Honestly,
it's so bad that it almost feels like that's the
only thing that could make sense.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
When we get to that part, I'm gonna go off.
Yeah no. But first, okay, so Steve's like this girl, Miranda,
what's this girl? What's she like? What'd she like?

Speaker 2 (17:33):
And all of a sudden, now Miranda's is so meek
when she was never and she was like, I don't
know how to tell you, but I think she may
be a little bit of an idiot.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
She tested me and said I violated her aura, and
then Brady told her that I'm bipolar. So now he's
not speaking to me, except he's still saying things like
we're out of oat milk and where's what's the Wi
Fi password?

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Why would he not know the Wi Fi password already?

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Also? Why does every child on this show have to
be just intolerable?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Why are they all supposed to be assholes? Are none
of them decent parents?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
No? I got and then well then this conversation, She's like,
how did we get here? I used to put condoms
on bananas and I showed him how to use it inappropriate,
which was like when he was fourteen. I wonder he's
like a highly sexual Like what is that? Okay, maybe
I don't have kids. So is it normal to take
your fourtunes to a mother to take their fourteen year

(18:31):
old son and put it show them how to put
on a condom on a banana?

Speaker 1 (18:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Now I don't know either. I don't know because now
I feel bad Miranda.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
What if Miranda was like, I don't understand. I pegged
him with a banana when he was fourteen, just to
you know, I strapped it on like any good mom way,
I just pegged him, like right up there? Wait where
did I go so terribly wrong? Uh? That's just what.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
By the way, did anyone ever teach you? No one
ever taught me how to like put Well, someone taught
me in college how to you know what? You know,
what you would do with the banana?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Eat it? Well, yeah, they taught it to me with
a highlighter.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
My two best friends in college were Susan and Amy,
and they used a big yellow highlighter to show me
how to do that.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Oh was that helpful? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
I mean I think a lot of guys will tell you. Yeah,
all the guys, all of omnipop will tell you.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yep, I do think. And this is this is TMI,
of course, but I do think that when I first
heard about it and really understood what that was, I
did think, a that you do blow on it. I
didn't understand where that came from. But also then when
I realized you don't, I did think there was a
lot more sucking involved than there actually is.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Oh you were like that, like, well with the show?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Sure, you mean you like a vacuum, Yeah, like like
there's more of that happening. I just I'm saying I
thought that before I actually like got started on it. Well,
I guess I probably did too. Who knows, because you
hear like, oh, suck mind it, like you know.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, I mean the whole thing is very strange. It's weird. Yeah,
it is weird. So that's our show. You guys do
it again?

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Four to f.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Okay, So yeah, okay. Then Steve makes a mistake. He goes,
well is hot she could look?

Speaker 1 (20:36):
And what does she look like you?

Speaker 2 (20:45):
And then Miranda gets so goes, why would you ask
me that? That is again such as Cynthia Nixon like
like put in right, just just answer the fucking question.
This is your this is the father of your your
good friends. It's Steve.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
He he means.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
No harm he's not trying to hook up with Miya.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
But I can't even imagine, like like when Xander started
seeing somebody and I cannot even imagine if John was
like she is she cute? Is she pretty? And I
was like, oh my god, how dare you? What? Who
I hate? Like that's crazy, that it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
It's gonna be your grandkid. You want to know you
kind of know what, like what does she look like?
And that's so stupid. Then she just like completely shames him. Yes,
we're Steve, but we're never gonna end on Steve. We'll
never know.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
No. But the other thing about that happened with Steve,
which you know doesn't matter anymore, is that Steve's like,
you know, I feel bad. I feel bad, Arianda, I
feel bad, Like well, I want to like call him,
and she's like, oh god, like what would you even say?
Like Okay, that's Brady's dad who he just recently was

(21:51):
living with, Like right, why are you like what are
you going to possibly say to him? And he goes, well,
I'm gonna say I'm sorry I fucked up your fucking life.
That was actually kind of reasonable. I like to take
Steve wants to apologize. Why are you being a bit
about that?

Speaker 2 (22:06):
He's just wrong on everything, all right, And I just
was like, yeah, we needed more Steve, but what a whatever?

Speaker 1 (22:12):
And that was the what a waste of a banana?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah? Oh my god. Okay, So then Adam is naked
Bulan naked and he's being annoyed. He looks like a
seventies like natural porn star, not just porn, not like
regular porn that we'ld see in the eighties, but like
like he'd had amateur bull Bush. Yeah yeaheah, like crazy beard.
I mean that's that's exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yes, yeah, I think that Adam is actually probably in
too good a shape to be like a porn star.
H you're right. You ever notice in porn and I
know you don't actually watch porn, but honestly never have. Okay,
well i'll tell you about I'll tell you about it.
The women are like super you know, beautiful, not like

(22:59):
natural beauties, but you know what I mean. They you know,
they're very pretty, and the men are horrible looking, like.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
I know, Well, that's because the men are writing these
things and this is their dream, their fantasy.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Oh. They always have like really bad like hair and
they're just they're just not cute and they don't have
good bodies, but they're just like walking away at some
beautiful woman.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I saw like the Red Shoe Diaries, and I remember
it was a little bit. That's the only that's as
porny as I go.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
That's not porn. But okay, that's gonna have better looking
guys because they asked for it. It's not just like, hey,
are there any guys that could get a hard on
in front of people?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
All right, you're in right, put on this condom? Okay,
so what's bananas? So it's naked.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
This is a lot. This is going to have to
have an explicit rating. Okay, Gardener's naked, uh, And Seema's
like going to be going to a wedding going to
see a wedding show.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, like a fashion bridle show. Right.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
So I thought that this was very weird. That Adam's
just like, oh man, that's so stupid. Okay, if you
didn't believe in marriage, but your beautiful girlfriend who you're
in love with, would you but before you've discussed whether
you either of you believe in marriage or would you
just start going like ah st oh god, I just

(24:17):
puked in my mouth a little bit. Weddings you right, right, No,
of course not like of course you wouldn't know. Of
course you wouldn't say all that. It made no sense
at all, like they'd never even and she's getting annoyed,
which kind of didn't really track for this care at
for Seema.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Although I kind of.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Liked her little speech in a minute, I didn't totally hate.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I mean, I like this actress, so I guess I
kind of do no wrong. I feel like she was
really given a lot of shit to work with. I
think that this was actually a nice Yeah. When I
said earlier that there was some some stuff that was
good writing, I was like, they actually explored some themes.
This was a theme that should have come up like
a few episode.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Ago, right.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
So, Yeah, they go to this fashion show and she's talking.
They're watching these wedding gowns, which they could have done
a lot of beautiful things with, one of which they
could have had the Vivian Westwood wedding dress that Carrie
wore when Big stood her up in the movie. And
like she gets actually has a feeling, one feeling because
you don't go from being like you don't go from

(25:23):
being let's say me right, like having strong opinions and
blah blah blah, and this type of personality to in
twenty years, like what do you think of a marriage?
She's acting like she's eighty five years old and I
can't hear yes, yeah, just doesn't.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
It doesn't make sense. And so yeah, you could have
done this really cool thing. Also like that was a
whole thing. Yeah, it just none of that. She felt nothing.
And so Siema is the one who kind of she's like,
you know, I don't know, am I do I want
to get married? Or am I just told I'm supposed
to want to get married? Yeah? She's like tells this
whole story about how she's been kind of groomed to
yes for marriage. She was like a little girl, and

(26:01):
she's like and oh and then this part was like sweet,
kind of sweet. She goes, yeah, I don't know. She yeah.
She says to Carrie like about getting married, why did
you What did you like about getting married? And she
says I felt chosen?

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Okay, that's like a deep theme like can you feel
chosen without actually like being asked to like marry somebody?
Will she ever feel like he chose her? Right? There's
a fucking theme. But really on the last episode, that's
you know this short, like that's what you're going to
bring it up? An a theme?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yes, And also Carrie's being so she's so shut down
about it. We had to listen to Carrie like every
single thought about every single date, which I totally understand.
But now she's just like she trit me. She's like,
you know, I've been groomed. She's like, ah, groom ah.
She makes a pun about the world. Listen to your
fucking friend. She's talking to you about real shit.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yes, I mean this was this was every thing that
was wrong with it. I felt like that was my
thought exactly exactly. I was like, wow, you have one moment,
you have one thing that you kind of wrote in
a deeper way, and now you're just gonna blow it off. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
And when she says that, when she said like all
zan zannied out, Carrie is like, you don't feel chosen.
She says it like that's literally how she delivers the line. Yeah,
I agree, it's nothing there. So that was that was interesting.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
And then she goes, well, I don't know if I
I She doesn't even really answer. She's like, I mean,
I don't know. I don't know. I guess so we're
not going to really get an answer on that.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Nope, we're not.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
No, So okay, uh so now oh and then Lisa. So,
now Lisa's supposed to have like a moment here, which
also kind of made no sense to me, like she's
just having an epiphany. Oh my god, I've just realized
marriage is about, like you know, all the things it's about,

(27:56):
like for better or for worse, Like I've been going
about this all wrong, right.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
See, I kind of liked that. I kind of liked
what happened with her word there. I don't know, I
thought it was sweet. I mean, it's stupid the way
that she came to it, Like, wouldn't you already know that? Hey,
I just realized I shouldn't hook up with my editor
because I'm married and he's married. Okay, Well that checked off,
I understand. Now, Oh maybe I should be nice to
my husband who's hurting right now. That yes is a

(28:22):
good call. Yeah, yes, I don't know what this means.
When I just wrote I wrote so excited for you
to see my hallway, I don't know what that means.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Because Charlotte, for no reason because she had her Hallway redone. Remember, Oh,
I was having like I don't know exactly, it's so stupid.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
I didn't even know what. I just wrote fuck you
and I then I just turned the page. So I
really don't know what I was what was happening. So
I guess she's done with her vertigo. She got that
taken care of from Oh.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
My god, right, oh my god. Yeah, totally done with that.
No more vertigo for no reason. We never heard anything
about it. Wow, that is so interesting, I mean so
many Oh god, I oh, I'm starting to feel angry
feelings right now.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Okay, let's get let's get okay.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
So yeah, so basically Carrie is telling Charlotte I guess
that She's like, yeah, I just always thought i'd have
a man like you know, I guess I got to
accept that like I might not. And then she finally
meant yeah, yes.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Ever, she's like, after Big died, and I'm like, oh
Big died, he did? Oh, I thought he was in
the house the whole time. That he was just in
the bathroom for a really long time, just reading reading.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
She was like, after I got over the devastation, we
didn't see any devastation nova. In fact, like episode two
of him dying, like this next episode, you were stalking
his ex wife that he cheated on on with with you, yes,
and acting like she was somehow the bad guy. Yes, yes,
it's just the word.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Then she goes. Then she goes because I don't know.
I guess they were trying to wrap it up. I
guess they lost the actor for Duncan. She goes, Yeah,
then I thought the Duncan thing might happen. But anyway,
what do you mean did he not ever call you?
Like every sex and the city all that? You know,
she's always been very like obsessive about.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
It, and that's really hard to change. I mean, like,
let me tell you, as you know, yes, doesn't just
go away. I mean you can change a little, but
like like that, Yeah, I guess maybe I don't know,
she's maybe you get tired or whatever, and now she
doesn't have to like struggle so hard because she has
she kind of has everything. She's got everything she needs,
she doesn't need anything, right, I don't know, maybe, but yeah,

(30:45):
that was so annoying. And then she's like, well maybe
it'll just be me. How hard for you? Oh no, Yeah,
you've been married, and you've had all these relationships and
you have this amazing house, Like, oh, how will you
muddle through? Carrie?

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Well, well, you know, I thought I was going to
be with Duncan, but then I guess I never heard
from him again. I don't really know what happened with that. He.
I mean, he lives so far, you know, New York
and London could never I don't know how you get
How do you get there? Do you take up? Is it?
Do you have to get on a steamer ship?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
She probably would. Then I'm plugging in my laptop. I'm
still here, okay, all right? So then LTW and Herbert,
He's like, how is your wedding thing? Just on my iPad?
Just reading and she's like it was very illuminating. Then
she's like, Herbert, give me your hand. I Lisa take you.

(31:39):
Herbert in tom.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Ford's suits or sweatsuits till death do his part.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
You know how every woman talks?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yes, And then Herbert's like, I'll get over this, and
Lisa's like, no, no, Herbert. The writers, the writers didn't
write this for me as over the top as I
wanted it, So I'd like to deliver it a little
bit with a little more guys, can you cameraman? Can
you get can you get my can you.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Get beautiful eyes? A lot of utilizes. She does have beautifulies.
I will give her that.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Could I get a camera? Like kind of underneath me,
like where's the light? No, no, Herbert, We'll get.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Over We'll get over it. Then the next scene drove
me insane, saying, now I feel that Carrie in this
moment she comes, she comes to talk to Adam in
her pajamas, and I feel and please push back because
I feel like I need pushback here. Not gonna She's
like flirting with him a little bit.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Oh no, I didn't think she was flirting with him,
but I thought she was really not respecting boundaries. And
I was like, you know what, if anybody did that
to her, she would lose her fucking mind. Miranda got
her head bit off for saying like, is there a
vibe with you and Duncan? Imagine if Miranda went to

(33:01):
Duncan and was like, yeah, so how do you feel
about our Carrie?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
How do you really feel about her? You're not going
to do her wrong?

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:07):
It's so fucking shitty. I thought it was flirty. I
thought it was super inappropriate. I know women that do
things like that a little bit where it's just like, yeah,
that is out of wine, that is out of line.
You're supposed to play it cool. You don't want you know, like,
that's just not how I would never. I would never
go to any of my friends, even husbands, and say
like even though even if they were like one hundred

(33:29):
percent secure and they're good, you know what I mean,
I wouldn't be like, I just it's none of my business.
They're rightingship, right, And I did not like yeah, and
I'll just like, what's your plant? I don't know, surprise bulbs,
which we're gonna get to you. She's like, I think
I need more wild think start was she saying, to
start over completely. He's been working on this, including on

(33:50):
this day, which is Thanksgiving now, right, So he's constantly
every single day he's just digging. I mean it's a
very small garden. I don't know how this is, Like.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
It's so small.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Heew like, we don't he doesn't need an assistant. You
can have done this in like four days, right, but
he's working on Then She's like, I like what we've done.
But I want you to start over and make it
wildflowers the fuck. And he's like, oh, that was just
He's like, yeah, are you and she? Yeah, he doesn't
believe in marriage, but like, yeah, no, I mean she's
she's the one.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well that's the thing too, is that now? So how's Carrie?
So is Carrie gonna go to Sema? Two adults too?
Full on adults? Seema is a grown up woman, and
you're gonna go to Seema and go, Hey, good news.
I talked to Adam and he is really into you,
like he said, even though, like I guess, as you
told me, he doesn't want to get married or anything,

(34:40):
but he thinks you're super special. I mean, what how
is that going to come about? How's that conversation going
to go? I don't know. That's so crazy. I talk
I talked to him. You guys are all good. You're
good to go. Like, I know you won't like get
a wedding or whatever, but like he seems really into.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
You, right, he told me, well, really, carry I was
in my pajamas. I wasn't wearing any pants. I just scolfled.
You know, I pay him your boyfriend, like your weird boyfriend.
I pay him, Yeah, to like pull flowers out and
put him back.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah. So then yeah, we have like.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
The new garden, let's return whatever. I don't know. All
that was just like what are we even even talking about?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I do want to say though, I just do want
to add that the writing like it was wasted on
a shitty thing, because because the writing was better here,
because when Carrie's like, oh, it is Thanksgiving morning, but
I forgot Sema told me you don't really believe in
that tradition or any traditions really, and then he says, oh,

(35:41):
she told you about the wedding thing. And then what
I thought the line is Sema just a Thursday Like cool?
I thought that was actually good writing. And then he's
like no, but then he has to ruin it by going, no,
definitely not just a Thursday special, She's a lifetime to which,
like I said, then I was having all the thoughts
of like, don't why would you ask him that? I

(36:03):
know that there is a relationship. It's a new frikin relationship.
She's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, now we're going to have the worst not the
worst scene, but the second worst scene where Harry and Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Has to always look like she's in the nineteen fifties.
And is this supposed to be aspirational? I'm asking you
because Sex and the City was supposed to be. I
get that Charlotte is like where's pearls and whatever. It's
a little like, you know, uptight or whatever. But is
it supposed to be this ridiculous? Yes.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Someone said to me once that there was a theory
that none of these women existed and they were all
in Carrie's head and that she was mentally ill. Now
this was a long time ago. This was suggested, like
this is these are like her youngian shadow parts. Yes,
but you know, Samantha's the vagina all that, Like Charlotte's
the heart and Miranda's the brain.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Okay, well then what's the Harry. Carrie is just all
the She's just a vessel soul. Yeah, she's the vessel.
She's the host organism. I love that idea. I loved
watching it.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
But they people do that with everything with friends too.
They're like, there was no Joey. You're like, shut up,
there was a Joey.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
They were all just they were all insane. They were
doing meth in those apartments. They weren't even in nice apartments.
They were just in an alley in New York or
it was all it was all a dream that Phoebe had.
I love that kind of shit.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I mean, I don't. But isn't that so okay? Spoiler alert?
Isn't that how Lost supposedly ended. I didn't watch Lost.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I didn't for the ending because I think it's funny
to watch the ending of something I didn't watch a future.
I did it with Game of Thrones as well. I
couldn't bear the show, but I thought it'd be fun
to just be part of part of Yeah. I did, though,
and I called it. I was on the phone with Mike,
remember that story. No, he loved Game of Thrones. And

(37:58):
I'm not going to spoil this for you, but I
like watched just I was like, I'm just gonna watch
the finale, having not watched a single part of it,
and so I called him like midway through and I
just go, that guy's that guy's gonna be the king
or whatever, and he's like, shut the fuck up. And
then I was right. And if you if you guys,
and I'm not spoiling in a bit, if you've seen it,
you'll know that this it was just ridiculous. It would

(38:19):
be like it would be like if like it was
like succession and at the end if like sex and
the s and just like that was succession and like
Brady one.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
It would just be such a like curve. All right,
it's not you know what. We should take a break
now and come back. Uh you know next week. What
if we make everyone wait a week, We're gonna come
back Boston strong. We will see you in just the second. Okay,

(38:51):
bye everybody. Ye
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