August 21, 2025 • 32 mins
Stefanie and Cecily discuss the many think pieces and theories wondering how in the world the AJLT finale was so bad. We have interviews with the EPs, sound up on SJP being ridiculously pretentious and we end with a banger Instagram find you don't want to miss.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's me Cecily Nobler here with our friend Stephanie Wilder Taylor.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I like that you called me our friend, our friend, friend,
friend of the show, friend, friend and lover their lover
special lady, especially good time.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I gotta I have to admit.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Something to you, guys. I was not able to let
it go. There's a lot of memes about letting things
go and moving on and block and deleting. I could
not block and delete, and just like that, I could
not let it go. I'm having a real hard time
with one of my favorite shows that I watched like
every day for twenty years ending like this, not because
(00:55):
it ended, but the way it ended.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Do you think let me and let me ask you
this because we have a lot to get to. We
have a lot of thoughts about yeah, the finale, but
also just the whole season, and I'm wondering. Okay, So
when the show first came, we were both excited for it, well.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yell my god, yeah, I was over the moon.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And with the first season, yeah, first season, first season,
though it became clear, it became clear really quickly that
it wasn't great.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Oh yeah, right away.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
First season was Chay right or no? Or was that
second season?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
No Cha showed up? The first season Jay was in
two seasons.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, okay, so first season we start watching it, We're like, Okay,
this is really weird. They've introduced a lot of new characters.
Everybody is being super super And when I say woke,
you guys who listened to our recaps of this and
it's probably a lot of the same people. You know,
I don't mean it as like a person who's like
(01:57):
anti cancel culture, right. I mean, they just made it
seem like a joke. They just made it seem like
they weren't woke and that, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
They were making fun.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It seemed like they were making fun of people that
are like more liberal. I mean, they were like taking
the piss. I mean, it was just but it wasn't that.
That's what it's that's how bad the writing was. It's
because they were so out of touch. It almost seemed
like they were like, let's just talk to some like
seventeen year olds about like what's going on, and then
(02:28):
we'll make everybody who's in their fifties seem kind of
pathetically trying to be relevant.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
That's what it felt like, which I took personally because
I'm that age.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
It was horrible.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And we found out later just from sort of writer
room talk, is that Cynthia Nixon had a lot to
do with some of the shit that we had to
literally literally watch. Yes, I mean why, I don't know,
but she seems like very annoying. Somebody said something once,
Oh they said this on like Instagram threads or something.
They were like, ps, I voted for Remember when Cynthia
Nixon ran.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
For up in her knees?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yes, yes, and just was pretty out of touch there too,
And somebody's like I voted for her, and I was
really trying to go like basically go forward in time
and stop and just like that. So you're welcome. But
if she'd won, that wouldn't have never happened. That's what
I was trying to do.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
That's really really funny.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Okay, So there have been a lot of little I
don't like this term, but there have been a lot
of think pieces yeah, that are kind of hilarious, some
more than others. So many tiktoks, so many tiktoks of
people like losing their mind, like just well.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Because they tried to tell us that Michael Patrick King
tried to perpetrate that he knew. Yeah, yeah, we always
knew we planned it this way. Yeah, that's a ticket, right.
We knew we were ending, you know why, because it
was just like we'd said everything we need to say.
That was a lot of That's a lot of his
pieces his interviews. He's like, yeah, I sat down with
(03:55):
Sarah and I was like, listen, you know what, love
the show. It's going really great. Everybody absolutely loves it.
But I'm just thinking, like, what else is there to do?
What else is there to say? We've said it all?
And Sarah said to me, you know what, you're a
genius and you're so right, So like, yeah, let's end it.
That never fucking happened one.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And that's one of the things this guy on TikTok
was just like, Okay, let's go through the finale. So yeah,
of course our finale for the whole series. Let's make
it thirty three minutes. That sounds right, thirty three minutes.
That's perfect. I mean, just just from that alone, they're like,
and let's invite a bunch of people that we've never
met or talked to you. Let's spend most of those
thirty three minutes with like three terrible people that are
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friends with Brady's baby mama, who's the worst person you've
ever seen. Let's make most of the episode about that, right,
thirty three minutes of the series.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Let's not mention big.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Also Brady's baby mama, who with the baby that he
doesn't want to have. So it's not even like a
character that anybody, even Brady doesn't don't want that character
on the show, right.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I mean, it's literally the worst choice. I can't I
honestly can't think of a worst choice. I can't, aside
from Chay. I actually think that this person that I
preferred Chay to this the Ben Stiller daughter. Yeah, honestly,
that was just horror, but I love I love it.
I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, this is the ending.
So okay, I'm going to read to you something and
(05:24):
then you're going to read to me something.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
This is from a couple of days ago from Slate magazine.
They did an interview and the name of this is
an interview with the guy who made the infamous poop.
Just like that, Oh, this is the guy that made
the prop. I thought it was the actor, my god,
that's even funnier. Somehow, it's been the most memed when
(05:47):
they showed it going down the toilet mm hmm, and
most horrifying moment of the finale at the Thanksgiving dinner
when Miranda's toilet.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
We don't need to go through all that, okay, oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So it has been divisive, No, it has not been
device Nobody that would.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Imply that people that some people are like, well, I
don't know, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I think that this person writing for Slave didn't understand
because they wrote some fans question whether the scene was
a fitting farewell. Yeah, we're saying that because it's shit,
like a shit storm.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's horrible. Of course it's not fitting farewell. Nobody, nobody
thought it was good. This is the problem with pieces
like this. It's like this is where they try to
gaslight you into like, well, some people really liked it,
sorry you, not not just they, but Michael Patrick king right,
because he defended the scene and told Deadline that Sex
(06:37):
and the City and then just like that have quote
always dealt with a lot of relationship shit, and that
was a manifestation of how shit backs up.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
No, it was not he goes it, shit backs up
and you have to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
What what from a character that is just so ridiculous?
Oh are you like, oh we're playing we're playing you're
playing checkers, but we're playing like three D.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Ch yes, like no, yes, no, that is exactly what
he's saying. And then they say, we all remember when Charlotte,
Now you remember from the first movie, the first Sex
in the City movie, when she kept seed in her pants.
They went to Mexico and she accidentally drank water. She
was very careful about not drinking any water, but she
drank some by accident, somehow shit her pants.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
So they really enjoy that for some reason.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
But the finales close up put the show in unchartered waters,
and in true Carrie Bradshaw's style, I couldn't help but
wonder what actually goes into creating a spectacle like this.
So I tracked down the guy responsible, the prop master,
Michael Corey is his name.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I think this is interesting. This is not what I thought,
but I kind of love it.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Where did you first learn about the poop? Did you
see it in the script or did someone tap you
on the shoulder and whisper you need poop, and then
this is amazing, Michael Corey says, Michael Patrick King is
very specific.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Oh it was. I love this.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
So it was a scripted moment. Nobody didn't think it
was a scripted moment.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
We just thought somebody was gonna have to poop on set.
And they're like, let's use it. Don't flush that. Get cameras, Kara,
where are it's a hot set.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
It's a hot set.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
What After we get the scripts, we have a meeting
with all the department heads and we go through the
episode and I remember the conversation with him about it.
I remember him talking about how it had to be
gross and he wanted to see quote unquote floaters.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Oh so he did this.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
He's just he was just mad at us, right he
really is?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
This whole That whole episode was a big fuck you
to the audience.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Oh my god, what I'm about to say is really gross?
Should I not?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
No say it?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So the question was what did you make the poop
out of? And he said, well, we knew it had
to be very specific, lactose intolerant cheeseplate disaster type poop.
The fuck, it's not a thing.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I can't even read this. It's so gross that I
honestly I can't. I can't.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But basically they did something and then the rest he
mixed in a giant bucket and they made it out
of brand muffins, vanilla ice cream, oatmeal and chocolate syrup
and water and yogurt.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You're making it sound a lot better than it looks.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Oh, then there's a picture of it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I didn't even say I didn't see it in real
time because I looked away.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So now I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Oh, who was involved in selecting the poop? Did you
have to present Michael Patrick King with different options for
him to choose from. This is the type of stuff
that Michael Patrick King loves. He writes it so it's
in his head and he gets a delight out of
awkward moments and putting people in uncomfortable positions for the
sake of humor. So I mixed one bucket and I
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showed it to him and he loved it.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Then I mixed two giant buckets which were brought to set.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
This person sounds a little special themselves if your eye,
I mean really, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It's interesting though that might they're making Michael Patrick King
sound so just juvenile and like it's and not understanding
or being in touch with any of the reasons why
everybody hated the show, Like what so three seasons of
that and now they're trying to shift blame and go, well,
that's that's on the audience if they didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Right exactly, that's exactly what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And he says, sort of in conclusion, I think they said, well,
you know, is this a metaphor? That was the question, like,
is this like a metaphor for the shit show?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Did that?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Does that hurt your feelings?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And he said no, I love working on this show,
and I love everyone involved, and it's such an institution
that people have attached their own feelings to it.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I don't know what he's talking about there.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I moved to New York at the height of Sex
and the City, so you should hate it even more.
But a lot of people have been just like that,
have been working since the original. So he's just saying,
it's all one big family.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
It's nobody can admit that it was just really, really bad.
And I do blame Michael Patrick King. Now you had something.
I have a couple of things. Yeah, there's more here.
I have I think let's see, I think I have
here the and just like that, EPs defend series finale
after backlash reveal who knew the show was ending? Okay,
(11:18):
so it says the team behind and just like that,
defending is defending the controversial series finale despite not First
of all, let me just inject that the whole thing
was bad. The whole the whole season was terrible. It
wasn't just the finale was maybe the worst because it
was crazy that it was a finale and that they
even had the nerve to call it that when nothing
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really got wrapped up. But it's defend your whole fucking
season people, right, Okay, So despite not knowing ahead of
time that the show is ending, executive producers, Oh, these
people should not have let themselves be interviewed. Julie Reetenberg
and Elisa Zuritsky addressed the blash from viewers after Carrie
(12:02):
Sarah Jessica Parker was shown embracing the next chapter of
her life solo in the finale, Oh my God, as
though she chose that right right. Of all the possible
endings of all the three seasons, this one definitely rings
the most true for me. Zuritsky told tv line, Oh
(12:22):
my god, really, oh that really just it rang true
for me. It's like, oh, like sometimes you just have
to be alone. Oh that's so fucking original.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Even though she went through the whole thing of like, yeah,
I didn't work with Aiden, but I really like stayed
with that to the end. And I really hope Duncan
would come back, but he never even called me, so
I guess I'll be alone for eight minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, go to this Japanese It was never even like
something she chose.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Oh my god, these people are smelling their own farts,
Zuritsky told tv Line. As a fan of the show
and as a fifty something woman in the world, I
think it's sort of extra poignant and feels authentic to
Carrie's character that she would reach this moment. Oh do
you Oh, you think that's so authentic.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Zarinsky, who worked on the original Sex and the City
alongside Rottenberg, defended and just like that's vision for Carrie
to stay single. Hold on, please got to pop up
ad quote. Carrie has metabolized her grief of being widowed,
really has she? You know, that's so interesting that I
(13:27):
wish we could have seen the process of that, except
that you never fucking mentioned Big one time in the
entire three seasons, right, never once. No, she's gone back
in a real way to relationship land, she continued, What
are they? What is this person talking about?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
She was like a total zombie with one guy. I
don't see how that's that's the opposite. She's like, you know,
I'm not coming back. That was really fun to bang you, Carrie.
I tried all season and I goult you. That's wonderful, goodbye.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And then she's like, well, I was really hoping he
would call, but he didn't. So I guess the show's ending.
Now we have how long thirty three minutes? Well, I
guess I'm going to be alone.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
What she's a fuck?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
She's decided that she'd rather be on her own than
in a not ideal partnership.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
No, she hasn't decided that. She never made that decision.
She made the opposite of that decision. She decided to
break up with Aiden, that's true. But then she thought
she had a crush on She was going to a
monkey bar into Duncan, monkey Bard, from Big to Aiden,
she monkey Bard back to from Big to Aiden, back
and forth.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
And immediately to burger. And I'm not even saying there's
nothing wrong with.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It, But if she'd actually had a choice, if they
if they had thirty minutes where they really freaking talked
about that and explored that idea of like.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Maybe I'm just okay as me or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Oh my god, we didn't even talk about like the
woman stuff and her dumb ass book, you.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Know, were you know what they could have done that
you and I would have liked. What if Duncan was
like Carrie, like this has been incredible, and you know,
I'm I'm I think I'm in love with you even yeah,
and then she said and then she and he's like yeah,
and I'm gonna I want you to move to London.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And then she's like no, I mean, listen, I gotta
say something.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I don't often talk about this, but I can relate
to that, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, And I
can relate to the storyline. And that's a choice, that's
a choice like that would be interesting. I mean, not
a lot of people can relate to like moving to
London with Duncan, but I can. And it's kind you're saying,
I mean, it's kind of insane and I literally was
(15:35):
in this exact position and it's interesting, And I was like, no,
I think I need to like work on myself. Something's
not healed in me. I'm not doing great and this
isn't feeling right. So I'm not going to just chase
to the next guy, which is the thing I always.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Do, just like Carrie.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So I that would have been interesting. But that's exactly
not what happened. He just never called.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
No, he didn't call. He told her sorry, I'm not
I am moving and I'm leaving, and she was like.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I'm not coming back. It's no interest in her.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
No, and she admitted that she thought maybe that would
be the thing. So none of this And everybody in
actual storytelling knows that your protagonist has to things can't
happen to the protagonists. The protagonist to wrap things up
for has to resolve things on their own. Yes, they
have to act, they have to do something active. Yes
(16:27):
it can't. So then it says, okay, so blah blah blah.
She's decided she'd rather be on her own than in
a not ideal partnership, and like so many women we know,
are really quite happy in their own space and their
own home and their own friendships. Okay, yes that is true.
I had her, but that's not her and that's not
what happened. She didn't make that change. No, she did
(16:50):
not make that change. So then then it says Zuritsky
encouraged fans to give the finale, which was crafted by
showrunner Michael Patrick King an EP Susan Fowls Hill a chance. Quote.
I feel really gratified that that's the grace note for now.
That feels really full and fully realize. Yeah, girl, I
(17:11):
hope you never get another job in TV. And like
a happy person living a happy life and a grateful
person in the world. You look at her other jobs
that she created for herself. Quote, it feels ultimately gratifying.
And I can't say we've seen a ton of that
in movies and television, So I feel like it's kind
of a beautiful punctuation mark to a life well lived.
(17:34):
What kind of fucking drugs are you taking? Okay Rottenberg. Meanwhile,
this is the other person called Carrie's journey quote the
most honest way to end the series? Are these people?
What the I can't believe this article. I can't believe
nobody laughed while they were interviewing these women. Quote. I
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think the strength was leaving her in a moment where
she says, quote might not be another man for me,
and I'm okay with that. I think that's what we
responded to, and that's what we felt like the clearest
way to end, maybe the cleanest way to end. She explained,
It's not a tragedy. She's got a pretty freaking great life,
and she has these friends, and we felt like we
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were leaving her in a good place. And by the way,
what I think is really funny is they left everybody
coupled up but her, right. Well, that was.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Kind of interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
It would have been interesting if that had been her choice,
like you said, if she turned down the guy and
was like, you know, I'd rather it's not quite right,
I'd rather just not And then she's like walks alone.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That's interesting, Yeah, except that that's not really how it happened,
because she was bummed that there's no guys.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
She's super bummed.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
She's like, yeah, I don't know, I'm like kind of
lost right now because like didn't work out with this guy,
none of this. And I thought Duncan would call and anyway,
that's the end.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Of the show.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Up shit, literal shit. Yeah, so, Sarah Jessica Parker, may
do you have something else?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I have a little bit more, Yeah, so, it says.
Earlier this month, Michael Patrick King confirmed that the that
it wouldn't return for a fourth season. The news came
as a shock to fans and apparently to the show's writers.
Quote Michael is obviously his own person, and he has
his own instrument. You know this is Ritzky talking. Oh
(19:19):
my god, I hope she listens to this. No, I don't.
Yeh listen girl, you do you? But come on. Quote
we're brought on a lot, We're brought in on a
lot of it and then not. So I feel like
he had a method to his Timeline. Rottenberg also weighed
in on why Carrie, Miranda, and Charlotte didn't share a
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scene together in the finale, which she called quote a
Michael Patrick King question.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Oh that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Quote, Oh my god. I think the idea is that
the whole series is based on the strength of those friendships.
I can't I love how she's trying to dig herself
out of this or so, even if you're not in
the same room we have those bonds and we feel
the support and strength of those friendships. She detailed, quote,
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I think that the feeling was that those bonds are
stronger than anything, and they're there even when they're not there.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Those friends, right, they didn't get to be together, No,
but but Joy, who we just met, Joy gets to
be gets to wrap her arms around Miranda with shit
on her gloves.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yes, that we get.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
And then it says despite the overwhelmingly mixed response to
the finale, Rodog and Zuritsky are glad the show started
conversations quote, I think it speaks to the fact that
no one wants to say goodbye to Carrie Bradshaw. No,
we don't want to say goodbye to her, and not
in this way. Right, we share that the bittersweet moment
(20:52):
of seeing her and knowing she's not going to be
around every Thursday night at nine pm, She continued, We
should have been worried if there weren't a cacophony of
responses to the fact that this was the end. We
know better than anyone you can't please all the people
all the time, but we felt like we had to
do right by them and leave all of those characters
in a good place and then say adieu.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Oh my god, Well let me let me play I have.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
One little more thing, because we have time. Zuritski has
found herself stepping away from the Internet to avoid the
negative comments surrounding the end of and just like that quote,
sometimes it will surprise me and stun me and sort
of wake me up a little bit when I interact
with the world of people who I see face to
face in life, a lot of whom are not on
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the same algorithms that I'm on, who are really quite
passionate about loving the show and actually having no idea.
She added quote, all they know is these beloved characters
are back, and they're really happy to see them again.
Oh my god. So basically, you're like, you know, what's
funny is like all these just online people, they're not real.
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When you actually talk to people in real life, they
love it. How can you be writing this season and
not know it's shitty? How can you not know?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Well, they know it's shitty. They know it's shitty, that's
for sure. I have to read. I have to play
this for you. Okay, please let me play this.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
This is Sarah Jessica Parker from her own Instagram account.
Now what you You're gonna hear it, obviously, but you're
not going to see it. And it's just clips from
the show throughout the last twenty twenty five years. Okay, okay,
So that's what you're seeing her with Big, her, with
different things, just all the old things. Here we go,
(22:37):
all the way up, get ready.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Cross streets, avenues, grub of couns. So it seemed she
broke hearts, heels, habits. She loved, lost one, stripped, leaped.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Fell, Sure, this is so long?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
She aged that wiser.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
She has made the hardest, worst and best decisions, wuffled
near and far for the new, the vintage friends.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
She herself It's worse her shoes, hair, but.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Never her love and devotion to New York City.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
She had dates, drinks, boyfriends, a husband, and truly great
loves and romans.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Mainess is driving me killed calves.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
She ran and heels and danced.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
With Stanford Sanford.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Yeah, told the truth and she lied.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
She typed, wondered, wrote, published.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
When did she agree?
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Stood up, stood.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Guests for Big, stood out.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
She voted herself to hats, books, shoes.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
She said she was already and the promise.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Of the new day in her beloved city, and the
people she treasured most.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Who wrote this for her, Michael Patrick King.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Honor Optimism and literally countless dresses, skirts and two tooths
held on too hands hopes, and the very best of people. Miranda,
Samantha and Charlotte. There will never be better friends.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And what great fortune for Carrie to come to Noah.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Love, Seema and empty, what most divine connections? Oh my god,
Ratcha has dominated my professional heartbeat for twenty seven years.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I think I have loved her most of all.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Okay, first of all, that was like fifteen minutes. That's
that was so long. So she clearly like wrote that.
And it's not even well put together like the montage.
It doesn't really it kind of doesn't flow very well.
And she obviously did it like she did it in
a sound booth, and it's they didn't.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
It's very poppy. It's very smacky, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
It's like she's reading her audiobook and it's very like
I did not like that.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Is this from a book about it?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
No, I don't know. It doesn't say here let me
see what it says. But she she put that up
and everyone's like, oh girl, I'm crying.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
No, I'm not crying.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
You're crying. There's a lot of that in the comments. No,
let's see what she said. She she she writes, I
cried making this words by the one and only Sarah
Jessica Parker.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So she wrote it.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Well, then put a little of that in the finale
that you didn't know you were doing.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
If that, I mean, if why couldn't Sarah look at
that and go, wait, this can't be the finite.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
We can't do this. We can't. Don't you think that?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Like?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Oh, she says, she never watches the show, so there
was no dailies. She didn't do anything right. Whatever you're all, let.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Me read you something, which is basically Sarah Jessica Parker's
message to the and just like that, hate watchers, Oh
fuck off, I really don't care. So over the course
of the show's three seasons, and just like that, fans
more from diehard Sex and the City lovers to hate
watchers who tuned in every week just to make fun
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of Carrie's absurd outfits or Charlotte's lackluster storylines. Now that
the show has officially come to an end, Sarah Jessica
Parker has a message for the hate watchers. Hint she
couldn't care less. Quote. I don't think I have the
constitution to have spent a lot of time thinking about that,
she told The New York Times when asked about the
hate watching phenomenon. Quote, we always worked incredibly hard to
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tell stories that we're interesting or real. I guess I
don't really care. And the reason I don't care is
because it's been so enormously successful and the connections it's
made with audiences have been very meaningful. And then this
author wrote touche. Show runner Michael Patrick King had a
slightly different take on the just like that hate Watchers
(27:05):
when asked about in a separate interview with Entertainment Weekly,
calling the show the press pinata, Michael seemed to understand
that even hate Of course, this is an article in Cosmo,
and they called they said hate waters instead of watchers.
Is it really that hard to spell? Time?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I'm telling you it seems to be. Yeah, the hate waters.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
We're having fun. It's like a party game, he said.
But he added that feeling isn't necessarily represent representative of
the entire fandom. It pretty much is if everybody hates
you on every article and all the reddit, like do
you where are all the people that love it? It? There's
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a whole other experience besides the tip of the iceberg,
which is the clap back and the fun and the
what's that hat about? He continued, there's what's that hat about?
And the more oh, breach, and what we're more interested
in is what's that part about? And that's the show.
(28:09):
It's both those things. Oh my god, this guy. And
he's right because now that in just like that has
officially ended. Whether you were a hate watcher or a
tried and true fan, you're left asking yourself the same question,
well what am I going to watch? Now? Who cares?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
That's just that's just so. I mean, she's so And
let me remind you guys one more time. As you know,
I was a very big fan, like Stephanie loved it too,
but I was like a mega like I'm like a
savant Sex and the City stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean I.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Know my shit, and so I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And I saw with my own eyes how mean Sarah
Jessica Parker was to a fan. I saw it with
my friend who usually tells me I'm being like sensitive
or I've made it up, and he saw it. He's like,
oh I saw I witness Witness. It was insane. She
was talking to people outside at a Hollywood highland at
a premiere.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Everybody was on the steps talking. It wasn't even her movie.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
It was her Matthew Broderick had a small part in
this dumb movie and it wasn't very good.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I don't remember the movie. We're all outside and somebody
just came up and they're like, I'm so sorry, Carrie Bradshaw.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I'm just I love I know that's not you're not
here about jaw, but I'm just like such a fan.
And she turned and she goes, I am in a
conversation right now. Yeah, this is in front of like loud,
in front of press. I mean, I'll never stop telling
that story because it happened. Yeah. She's charming and very intelligent.
She's interesting to listen to in interviews, like she's smart,
but she's also a cous.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, I'm going to leave. I'm going to leave you
from from for me with this. A Candace Bushnell reposted
to the author.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
If you don't know an author of Yeah Sex and
the City.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yes, it's so, there's a picture of Carrie, and then
it says POV finding out in real time that Carrie
Bradshaw was based on a real woman, Candace Bushnell.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
In nineteen ninety four, she started her Sex and the
City column in The New York Observer. It was raw,
funny and brutally honest about New York's dating scene. I
think martinis, messy men, and Manhattan apartments. Her own friends
and lovers became the inspiration for Carrie's crew, and she
famously said she was writing for women like herself who
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didn't see their lives reflected in glossy magazines. Those essays
turned into Sex and the City and the Kicker. On Instagram,
she only follows Kim Katrel. What aw we.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Should have led with that?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
All right?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
It gave me literal chills.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I did not, I swear to god. Oh my god.
I hope people are still listening to this because I
made them listen to the shit conversation for so long.
But I mean, oh my god, that's the best. That
gives me so much joy. Kim Katrel, you are listening
to this show, and I know that you're not, but
maybe you are Maybe you're scatting. Maybe she's scatting and
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listening now she likes a scat We love you and
I look. I loved Carrie on the show too. I
loved I loved the show. The only person I actually
didn't like seeing on the show was Charlotte because I
just didn't understand how they would actually be friends with her.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah, it just didn't totally make sense.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Great, But that said, I'm so happy that Kim Control
really did get She really had to wait like three
years to kind of get an exhale here. Not that
she was waiting, she was working. She's been on a
bunch of shows and stuff. She's you know, she's fine.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well, remember after the finale, she had posted something about
like the end very long week.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yes, yeah, she posted a picture of sunset and she's like, yeah,
the finally the end to a very long Yeah. And
it was a little winky shade. Everyone loved that. Yes,
I mean, who knows what she meant, But I did
not know that. Candice just followed her, and let's hope
she writes something for her. Maybe she'll like do she's leaving.
She wants Samantha out, though she doesn't want some like him,
(31:58):
does not want to be Samantha anymore. There's no spin off. Yeah,
people would watch it though I would for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
All Right, everybody, hope you will leave you with.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
An Ah, but Dobby do me. Ah, but Dobby do me. Bye.
Thanks for listening by
Hello, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's me Cecily Nobler here with our friend Stephanie Wilder Taylor.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I like that you called me our friend, our friend, friend,
friend of the show, friend, friend and lover their lover
special lady, especially good time.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I gotta I have to admit.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Something to you, guys. I was not able to let
it go. There's a lot of memes about letting things
go and moving on and block and deleting. I could
not block and delete, and just like that, I could
not let it go. I'm having a real hard time
with one of my favorite shows that I watched like
every day for twenty years ending like this, not because
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it ended, but the way it ended.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Do you think let me and let me ask you
this because we have a lot to get to. We
have a lot of thoughts about yeah, the finale, but
also just the whole season, and I'm wondering. Okay, So
when the show first came, we were both excited for it, well.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yell my god, yeah, I was over the moon.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And with the first season, yeah, first season, first season,
though it became clear, it became clear really quickly that
it wasn't great.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Oh yeah, right away.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
First season was Chay right or no? Or was that
second season?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
No Cha showed up? The first season Jay was in
two seasons.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, okay, so first season we start watching it, We're like, Okay,
this is really weird. They've introduced a lot of new characters.
Everybody is being super super And when I say woke,
you guys who listened to our recaps of this and
it's probably a lot of the same people. You know,
I don't mean it as like a person who's like
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anti cancel culture, right. I mean, they just made it
seem like a joke. They just made it seem like
they weren't woke and that, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
They were making fun.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It seemed like they were making fun of people that
are like more liberal. I mean, they were like taking
the piss. I mean, it was just but it wasn't that.
That's what it's that's how bad the writing was. It's
because they were so out of touch. It almost seemed
like they were like, let's just talk to some like
seventeen year olds about like what's going on, and then
(02:28):
we'll make everybody who's in their fifties seem kind of
pathetically trying to be relevant.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
That's what it felt like, which I took personally because
I'm that age.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
It was horrible.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And we found out later just from sort of writer
room talk, is that Cynthia Nixon had a lot to
do with some of the shit that we had to
literally literally watch. Yes, I mean why, I don't know,
but she seems like very annoying. Somebody said something once,
Oh they said this on like Instagram threads or something.
They were like, ps, I voted for Remember when Cynthia
Nixon ran.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
For up in her knees?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yes, yes, and just was pretty out of touch there too,
And somebody's like I voted for her, and I was
really trying to go like basically go forward in time
and stop and just like that. So you're welcome. But
if she'd won, that wouldn't have never happened. That's what
I was trying to do.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
That's really really funny.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Okay, So there have been a lot of little I
don't like this term, but there have been a lot
of think pieces yeah, that are kind of hilarious, some
more than others. So many tiktoks, so many tiktoks of
people like losing their mind, like just well.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Because they tried to tell us that Michael Patrick King
tried to perpetrate that he knew. Yeah, yeah, we always
knew we planned it this way. Yeah, that's a ticket, right.
We knew we were ending, you know why, because it
was just like we'd said everything we need to say.
That was a lot of That's a lot of his
pieces his interviews. He's like, yeah, I sat down with
(03:55):
Sarah and I was like, listen, you know what, love
the show. It's going really great. Everybody absolutely loves it.
But I'm just thinking, like, what else is there to do?
What else is there to say? We've said it all?
And Sarah said to me, you know what, you're a
genius and you're so right, So like, yeah, let's end it.
That never fucking happened one.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And that's one of the things this guy on TikTok
was just like, Okay, let's go through the finale. So yeah,
of course our finale for the whole series. Let's make
it thirty three minutes. That sounds right, thirty three minutes.
That's perfect. I mean, just just from that alone, they're like,
and let's invite a bunch of people that we've never
met or talked to you. Let's spend most of those
thirty three minutes with like three terrible people that are
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friends with Brady's baby mama, who's the worst person you've
ever seen. Let's make most of the episode about that, right,
thirty three minutes of the series.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Let's not mention big.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Also Brady's baby mama, who with the baby that he
doesn't want to have. So it's not even like a
character that anybody, even Brady doesn't don't want that character
on the show, right.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I mean, it's literally the worst choice. I can't I
honestly can't think of a worst choice. I can't, aside
from Chay. I actually think that this person that I
preferred Chay to this the Ben Stiller daughter. Yeah, honestly,
that was just horror, but I love I love it.
I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, this is the ending.
So okay, I'm going to read to you something and
(05:24):
then you're going to read to me something.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
This is from a couple of days ago from Slate magazine.
They did an interview and the name of this is
an interview with the guy who made the infamous poop.
Just like that, Oh, this is the guy that made
the prop. I thought it was the actor, my god,
that's even funnier. Somehow, it's been the most memed when
(05:47):
they showed it going down the toilet mm hmm, and
most horrifying moment of the finale at the Thanksgiving dinner
when Miranda's toilet.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
We don't need to go through all that, okay, oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So it has been divisive, No, it has not been
device Nobody that would.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Imply that people that some people are like, well, I
don't know, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I think that this person writing for Slave didn't understand
because they wrote some fans question whether the scene was
a fitting farewell. Yeah, we're saying that because it's shit,
like a shit storm.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's horrible. Of course it's not fitting farewell. Nobody, nobody
thought it was good. This is the problem with pieces
like this. It's like this is where they try to
gaslight you into like, well, some people really liked it,
sorry you, not not just they, but Michael Patrick king right,
because he defended the scene and told Deadline that Sex
(06:37):
and the City and then just like that have quote
always dealt with a lot of relationship shit, and that
was a manifestation of how shit backs up.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
No, it was not he goes it, shit backs up
and you have to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
What what from a character that is just so ridiculous?
Oh are you like, oh we're playing we're playing you're
playing checkers, but we're playing like three D.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Ch yes, like no, yes, no, that is exactly what
he's saying. And then they say, we all remember when Charlotte,
Now you remember from the first movie, the first Sex
in the City movie, when she kept seed in her pants.
They went to Mexico and she accidentally drank water. She
was very careful about not drinking any water, but she
drank some by accident, somehow shit her pants.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
So they really enjoy that for some reason.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
But the finales close up put the show in unchartered waters,
and in true Carrie Bradshaw's style, I couldn't help but
wonder what actually goes into creating a spectacle like this.
So I tracked down the guy responsible, the prop master,
Michael Corey is his name.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I think this is interesting. This is not what I thought,
but I kind of love it.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Where did you first learn about the poop? Did you
see it in the script or did someone tap you
on the shoulder and whisper you need poop, and then
this is amazing, Michael Corey says, Michael Patrick King is
very specific.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Oh it was. I love this.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
So it was a scripted moment. Nobody didn't think it
was a scripted moment.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
We just thought somebody was gonna have to poop on set.
And they're like, let's use it. Don't flush that. Get cameras, Kara,
where are it's a hot set.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
It's a hot set.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
What After we get the scripts, we have a meeting
with all the department heads and we go through the
episode and I remember the conversation with him about it.
I remember him talking about how it had to be
gross and he wanted to see quote unquote floaters.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Oh so he did this.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
He's just he was just mad at us, right he
really is?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
This whole That whole episode was a big fuck you
to the audience.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Oh my god, what I'm about to say is really gross?
Should I not?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
No say it?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So the question was what did you make the poop
out of? And he said, well, we knew it had
to be very specific, lactose intolerant cheeseplate disaster type poop.
The fuck, it's not a thing.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I can't even read this. It's so gross that I
honestly I can't. I can't.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But basically they did something and then the rest he
mixed in a giant bucket and they made it out
of brand muffins, vanilla ice cream, oatmeal and chocolate syrup
and water and yogurt.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You're making it sound a lot better than it looks.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Oh, then there's a picture of it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I didn't even say I didn't see it in real
time because I looked away.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So now I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Oh, who was involved in selecting the poop? Did you
have to present Michael Patrick King with different options for
him to choose from. This is the type of stuff
that Michael Patrick King loves. He writes it so it's
in his head and he gets a delight out of
awkward moments and putting people in uncomfortable positions for the
sake of humor. So I mixed one bucket and I
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showed it to him and he loved it.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Then I mixed two giant buckets which were brought to set.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
This person sounds a little special themselves if your eye,
I mean really, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It's interesting though that might they're making Michael Patrick King
sound so just juvenile and like it's and not understanding
or being in touch with any of the reasons why
everybody hated the show, Like what so three seasons of
that and now they're trying to shift blame and go, well,
that's that's on the audience if they didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Right exactly, that's exactly what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And he says, sort of in conclusion, I think they said, well,
you know, is this a metaphor? That was the question, like,
is this like a metaphor for the shit show?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Did that?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Does that hurt your feelings?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And he said no, I love working on this show,
and I love everyone involved, and it's such an institution
that people have attached their own feelings to it.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I don't know what he's talking about there.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I moved to New York at the height of Sex
and the City, so you should hate it even more.
But a lot of people have been just like that,
have been working since the original. So he's just saying,
it's all one big family.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
It's nobody can admit that it was just really, really bad.
And I do blame Michael Patrick King. Now you had something.
I have a couple of things. Yeah, there's more here.
I have I think let's see, I think I have
here the and just like that, EPs defend series finale
after backlash reveal who knew the show was ending? Okay,
(11:18):
so it says the team behind and just like that,
defending is defending the controversial series finale despite not First
of all, let me just inject that the whole thing
was bad. The whole the whole season was terrible. It
wasn't just the finale was maybe the worst because it
was crazy that it was a finale and that they
even had the nerve to call it that when nothing
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really got wrapped up. But it's defend your whole fucking
season people, right, Okay, So despite not knowing ahead of
time that the show is ending, executive producers, Oh, these
people should not have let themselves be interviewed. Julie Reetenberg
and Elisa Zuritsky addressed the blash from viewers after Carrie
(12:02):
Sarah Jessica Parker was shown embracing the next chapter of
her life solo in the finale, Oh my God, as
though she chose that right right. Of all the possible
endings of all the three seasons, this one definitely rings
the most true for me. Zuritsky told tv line, Oh
(12:22):
my god, really, oh that really just it rang true
for me. It's like, oh, like sometimes you just have
to be alone. Oh that's so fucking original.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Even though she went through the whole thing of like, yeah,
I didn't work with Aiden, but I really like stayed
with that to the end. And I really hope Duncan
would come back, but he never even called me, so
I guess I'll be alone for eight minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, go to this Japanese It was never even like
something she chose.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Oh my god, these people are smelling their own farts,
Zuritsky told tv Line. As a fan of the show
and as a fifty something woman in the world, I
think it's sort of extra poignant and feels authentic to
Carrie's character that she would reach this moment. Oh do
you Oh, you think that's so authentic.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Zarinsky, who worked on the original Sex and the City
alongside Rottenberg, defended and just like that's vision for Carrie
to stay single. Hold on, please got to pop up
ad quote. Carrie has metabolized her grief of being widowed,
really has she? You know, that's so interesting that I
(13:27):
wish we could have seen the process of that, except
that you never fucking mentioned Big one time in the
entire three seasons, right, never once. No, she's gone back
in a real way to relationship land, she continued, What
are they? What is this person talking about?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
She was like a total zombie with one guy. I
don't see how that's that's the opposite. She's like, you know,
I'm not coming back. That was really fun to bang you, Carrie.
I tried all season and I goult you. That's wonderful, goodbye.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And then she's like, well, I was really hoping he
would call, but he didn't. So I guess the show's ending.
Now we have how long thirty three minutes? Well, I
guess I'm going to be alone.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
What she's a fuck?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
She's decided that she'd rather be on her own than
in a not ideal partnership.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
No, she hasn't decided that. She never made that decision.
She made the opposite of that decision. She decided to
break up with Aiden, that's true. But then she thought
she had a crush on She was going to a
monkey bar into Duncan, monkey Bard, from Big to Aiden,
she monkey Bard back to from Big to Aiden, back
and forth.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
And immediately to burger. And I'm not even saying there's
nothing wrong with.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It, But if she'd actually had a choice, if they
if they had thirty minutes where they really freaking talked
about that and explored that idea of like.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Maybe I'm just okay as me or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Oh my god, we didn't even talk about like the
woman stuff and her dumb ass book, you.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Know, were you know what they could have done that
you and I would have liked. What if Duncan was
like Carrie, like this has been incredible, and you know,
I'm I'm I think I'm in love with you even yeah,
and then she said and then she and he's like yeah,
and I'm gonna I want you to move to London.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And then she's like no, I mean, listen, I gotta
say something.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I don't often talk about this, but I can relate
to that, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, And I
can relate to the storyline. And that's a choice, that's
a choice like that would be interesting. I mean, not
a lot of people can relate to like moving to
London with Duncan, but I can. And it's kind you're saying,
I mean, it's kind of insane and I literally was
(15:35):
in this exact position and it's interesting, And I was like, no,
I think I need to like work on myself. Something's
not healed in me. I'm not doing great and this
isn't feeling right. So I'm not going to just chase
to the next guy, which is the thing I always.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Do, just like Carrie.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So I that would have been interesting. But that's exactly
not what happened. He just never called.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
No, he didn't call. He told her sorry, I'm not
I am moving and I'm leaving, and she was like.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I'm not coming back. It's no interest in her.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
No, and she admitted that she thought maybe that would
be the thing. So none of this And everybody in
actual storytelling knows that your protagonist has to things can't
happen to the protagonists. The protagonist to wrap things up
for has to resolve things on their own. Yes, they
have to act, they have to do something active. Yes
(16:27):
it can't. So then it says, okay, so blah blah blah.
She's decided she'd rather be on her own than in
a not ideal partnership, and like so many women we know,
are really quite happy in their own space and their
own home and their own friendships. Okay, yes that is true.
I had her, but that's not her and that's not
what happened. She didn't make that change. No, she did
(16:50):
not make that change. So then then it says Zuritsky
encouraged fans to give the finale, which was crafted by
showrunner Michael Patrick King an EP Susan Fowls Hill a chance. Quote.
I feel really gratified that that's the grace note for now.
That feels really full and fully realize. Yeah, girl, I
(17:11):
hope you never get another job in TV. And like
a happy person living a happy life and a grateful
person in the world. You look at her other jobs
that she created for herself. Quote, it feels ultimately gratifying.
And I can't say we've seen a ton of that
in movies and television, So I feel like it's kind
of a beautiful punctuation mark to a life well lived.
(17:34):
What kind of fucking drugs are you taking? Okay Rottenberg. Meanwhile,
this is the other person called Carrie's journey quote the
most honest way to end the series? Are these people?
What the I can't believe this article. I can't believe
nobody laughed while they were interviewing these women. Quote. I
(17:55):
think the strength was leaving her in a moment where
she says, quote might not be another man for me,
and I'm okay with that. I think that's what we
responded to, and that's what we felt like the clearest
way to end, maybe the cleanest way to end. She explained,
It's not a tragedy. She's got a pretty freaking great life,
and she has these friends, and we felt like we
(18:17):
were leaving her in a good place. And by the way,
what I think is really funny is they left everybody
coupled up but her, right. Well, that was.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Kind of interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
It would have been interesting if that had been her choice,
like you said, if she turned down the guy and
was like, you know, I'd rather it's not quite right,
I'd rather just not And then she's like walks alone.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That's interesting, Yeah, except that that's not really how it happened,
because she was bummed that there's no guys.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
She's super bummed.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
She's like, yeah, I don't know, I'm like kind of
lost right now because like didn't work out with this guy,
none of this. And I thought Duncan would call and anyway,
that's the end.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Of the show.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Up shit, literal shit. Yeah, so, Sarah Jessica Parker, may
do you have something else?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I have a little bit more, Yeah, so, it says.
Earlier this month, Michael Patrick King confirmed that the that
it wouldn't return for a fourth season. The news came
as a shock to fans and apparently to the show's writers.
Quote Michael is obviously his own person, and he has
his own instrument. You know this is Ritzky talking. Oh
(19:19):
my god, I hope she listens to this. No, I don't.
Yeh listen girl, you do you? But come on. Quote
we're brought on a lot, We're brought in on a
lot of it and then not. So I feel like
he had a method to his Timeline. Rottenberg also weighed
in on why Carrie, Miranda, and Charlotte didn't share a
(19:41):
scene together in the finale, which she called quote a
Michael Patrick King question.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Oh that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Quote, Oh my god. I think the idea is that
the whole series is based on the strength of those friendships.
I can't I love how she's trying to dig herself
out of this or so, even if you're not in
the same room we have those bonds and we feel
the support and strength of those friendships. She detailed, quote,
(20:10):
I think that the feeling was that those bonds are
stronger than anything, and they're there even when they're not there.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Those friends, right, they didn't get to be together, No,
but but Joy, who we just met, Joy gets to
be gets to wrap her arms around Miranda with shit
on her gloves.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yes, that we get.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
And then it says despite the overwhelmingly mixed response to
the finale, Rodog and Zuritsky are glad the show started
conversations quote, I think it speaks to the fact that
no one wants to say goodbye to Carrie Bradshaw. No,
we don't want to say goodbye to her, and not
in this way. Right, we share that the bittersweet moment
(20:52):
of seeing her and knowing she's not going to be
around every Thursday night at nine pm, She continued, We
should have been worried if there weren't a cacophony of
responses to the fact that this was the end. We
know better than anyone you can't please all the people
all the time, but we felt like we had to
do right by them and leave all of those characters
in a good place and then say adieu.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Oh my god, Well let me let me play I have.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
One little more thing, because we have time. Zuritski has
found herself stepping away from the Internet to avoid the
negative comments surrounding the end of and just like that quote,
sometimes it will surprise me and stun me and sort
of wake me up a little bit when I interact
with the world of people who I see face to
face in life, a lot of whom are not on
(21:37):
the same algorithms that I'm on, who are really quite
passionate about loving the show and actually having no idea.
She added quote, all they know is these beloved characters
are back, and they're really happy to see them again.
Oh my god. So basically, you're like, you know, what's
funny is like all these just online people, they're not real.
(21:58):
When you actually talk to people in real life, they
love it. How can you be writing this season and
not know it's shitty? How can you not know?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Well, they know it's shitty. They know it's shitty, that's
for sure. I have to read. I have to play
this for you. Okay, please let me play this.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
This is Sarah Jessica Parker from her own Instagram account.
Now what you You're gonna hear it, obviously, but you're
not going to see it. And it's just clips from
the show throughout the last twenty twenty five years. Okay, okay,
So that's what you're seeing her with Big, her, with
different things, just all the old things. Here we go,
(22:37):
all the way up, get ready.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Cross streets, avenues, grub of couns. So it seemed she
broke hearts, heels, habits. She loved, lost one, stripped, leaped.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Fell, Sure, this is so long?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
She aged that wiser.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
She has made the hardest, worst and best decisions, wuffled
near and far for the new, the vintage friends.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
She herself It's worse her shoes, hair, but.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Never her love and devotion to New York City.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
She had dates, drinks, boyfriends, a husband, and truly great
loves and romans.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Mainess is driving me killed calves.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
She ran and heels and danced.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
With Stanford Sanford.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Yeah, told the truth and she lied.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
She typed, wondered, wrote, published.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
When did she agree?
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Stood up, stood.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Guests for Big, stood out.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
She voted herself to hats, books, shoes.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
She said she was already and the promise.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Of the new day in her beloved city, and the
people she treasured most.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Who wrote this for her, Michael Patrick King.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Honor Optimism and literally countless dresses, skirts and two tooths
held on too hands hopes, and the very best of people. Miranda,
Samantha and Charlotte. There will never be better friends.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And what great fortune for Carrie to come to Noah.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Love, Seema and empty, what most divine connections? Oh my god,
Ratcha has dominated my professional heartbeat for twenty seven years.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I think I have loved her most of all.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Okay, first of all, that was like fifteen minutes. That's
that was so long. So she clearly like wrote that.
And it's not even well put together like the montage.
It doesn't really it kind of doesn't flow very well.
And she obviously did it like she did it in
a sound booth, and it's they didn't.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
It's very poppy. It's very smacky, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
It's like she's reading her audiobook and it's very like
I did not like that.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Is this from a book about it?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
No, I don't know. It doesn't say here let me
see what it says. But she she put that up
and everyone's like, oh girl, I'm crying.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
No, I'm not crying.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
You're crying. There's a lot of that in the comments. No,
let's see what she said. She she she writes, I
cried making this words by the one and only Sarah
Jessica Parker.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So she wrote it.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Well, then put a little of that in the finale
that you didn't know you were doing.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
If that, I mean, if why couldn't Sarah look at
that and go, wait, this can't be the finite.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
We can't do this. We can't. Don't you think that?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Like?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Oh, she says, she never watches the show, so there
was no dailies. She didn't do anything right. Whatever you're all, let.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Me read you something, which is basically Sarah Jessica Parker's
message to the and just like that, hate watchers, Oh
fuck off, I really don't care. So over the course
of the show's three seasons, and just like that, fans
more from diehard Sex and the City lovers to hate
watchers who tuned in every week just to make fun
(26:20):
of Carrie's absurd outfits or Charlotte's lackluster storylines. Now that
the show has officially come to an end, Sarah Jessica
Parker has a message for the hate watchers. Hint she
couldn't care less. Quote. I don't think I have the
constitution to have spent a lot of time thinking about that,
she told The New York Times when asked about the
hate watching phenomenon. Quote, we always worked incredibly hard to
(26:44):
tell stories that we're interesting or real. I guess I
don't really care. And the reason I don't care is
because it's been so enormously successful and the connections it's
made with audiences have been very meaningful. And then this
author wrote touche. Show runner Michael Patrick King had a
slightly different take on the just like that hate Watchers
(27:05):
when asked about in a separate interview with Entertainment Weekly,
calling the show the press pinata, Michael seemed to understand
that even hate Of course, this is an article in Cosmo,
and they called they said hate waters instead of watchers.
Is it really that hard to spell? Time?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I'm telling you it seems to be. Yeah, the hate waters.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
We're having fun. It's like a party game, he said.
But he added that feeling isn't necessarily represent representative of
the entire fandom. It pretty much is if everybody hates
you on every article and all the reddit, like do
you where are all the people that love it? It? There's
(27:46):
a whole other experience besides the tip of the iceberg,
which is the clap back and the fun and the
what's that hat about? He continued, there's what's that hat about?
And the more oh, breach, and what we're more interested
in is what's that part about? And that's the show.
(28:09):
It's both those things. Oh my god, this guy. And
he's right because now that in just like that has
officially ended. Whether you were a hate watcher or a
tried and true fan, you're left asking yourself the same question,
well what am I going to watch? Now? Who cares?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
That's just that's just so. I mean, she's so And
let me remind you guys one more time. As you know,
I was a very big fan, like Stephanie loved it too,
but I was like a mega like I'm like a
savant Sex and the City stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean I.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Know my shit, and so I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And I saw with my own eyes how mean Sarah
Jessica Parker was to a fan. I saw it with
my friend who usually tells me I'm being like sensitive
or I've made it up, and he saw it. He's like,
oh I saw I witness Witness. It was insane. She
was talking to people outside at a Hollywood highland at
a premiere.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Everybody was on the steps talking. It wasn't even her movie.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
It was her Matthew Broderick had a small part in
this dumb movie and it wasn't very good.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I don't remember the movie. We're all outside and somebody
just came up and they're like, I'm so sorry, Carrie Bradshaw.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I'm just I love I know that's not you're not
here about jaw, but I'm just like such a fan.
And she turned and she goes, I am in a
conversation right now. Yeah, this is in front of like loud,
in front of press. I mean, I'll never stop telling
that story because it happened. Yeah. She's charming and very intelligent.
She's interesting to listen to in interviews, like she's smart,
but she's also a cous.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, I'm going to leave. I'm going to leave you
from from for me with this. A Candace Bushnell reposted
to the author.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
If you don't know an author of Yeah Sex and
the City.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yes, it's so, there's a picture of Carrie, and then
it says POV finding out in real time that Carrie
Bradshaw was based on a real woman, Candace Bushnell.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
In nineteen ninety four, she started her Sex and the
City column in The New York Observer. It was raw,
funny and brutally honest about New York's dating scene. I
think martinis, messy men, and Manhattan apartments. Her own friends
and lovers became the inspiration for Carrie's crew, and she
famously said she was writing for women like herself who
(30:19):
didn't see their lives reflected in glossy magazines. Those essays
turned into Sex and the City and the Kicker. On Instagram,
she only follows Kim Katrel. What aw we.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Should have led with that?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
All right?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
It gave me literal chills.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I did not, I swear to god. Oh my god.
I hope people are still listening to this because I
made them listen to the shit conversation for so long.
But I mean, oh my god, that's the best. That
gives me so much joy. Kim Katrel, you are listening
to this show, and I know that you're not, but
maybe you are Maybe you're scatting. Maybe she's scatting and
(30:58):
listening now she likes a scat We love you and
I look. I loved Carrie on the show too. I
loved I loved the show. The only person I actually
didn't like seeing on the show was Charlotte because I
just didn't understand how they would actually be friends with her.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah, it just didn't totally make sense.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Great, But that said, I'm so happy that Kim Control
really did get She really had to wait like three
years to kind of get an exhale here. Not that
she was waiting, she was working. She's been on a
bunch of shows and stuff. She's you know, she's fine.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well, remember after the finale, she had posted something about
like the end very long week.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yes, yeah, she posted a picture of sunset and she's like, yeah,
the finally the end to a very long Yeah. And
it was a little winky shade. Everyone loved that. Yes,
I mean, who knows what she meant, But I did
not know that. Candice just followed her, and let's hope
she writes something for her. Maybe she'll like do she's leaving.
She wants Samantha out, though she doesn't want some like him,
(31:58):
does not want to be Samantha anymore. There's no spin off. Yeah,
people would watch it though I would for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
All Right, everybody, hope you will leave you with.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
An Ah, but Dobby do me. Ah, but Dobby do me. Bye.
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