March 25, 2025 • 51 mins
It's time for the most dramatic Bachelor finale of all time! Or, it's time for yet another Bachelor finale. Who will Grant choose? And how hard will it be for him to make that decision? Spoiler alert: not as hard as Jesse says.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hello everybody, and welcome to your favorite podcast. I don't
want to be presumptuous, but why wouldn't it be.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I don't understand why it wouldn't be now. Some of
you maybe not, but I'm not here. I can't, you know,
I don't know. We can only do so much I
can now. And also, I don't want to be mad
at everybody. I don't want to start out like in
a bad place of like, why why are we not
your favorite pod? Like that's not healthy or anybody. It's
not healthy for me, it's not healthy for Stephanie. It's
(00:41):
healthy for Stephanie's husband. I don't know why John likes that.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
He really likes controversy. As you know, he's just super argument.
I don't know. I don't want to be.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
But he you know what he does that we don't
talk about a lot. He guards and protects your heart,
and I think sometimes you forget like he's there guarding
your He got that tattoo. I don't know what else
he's going to show you that he's guarding protection. He
wrote that song, he wrote me a song.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
He let me leave him stranded on like an island,
and he wasn't even bad he understood.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, he just well, we don't really know his reaction
because it was an aerial shot and we never really
saw his face ever again.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
As people know, I talk about it every episode.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
My favorite season was Ali's season, which was I think
season four of The Bat. That's a long time ago,
and that's when I loved it. Oh, I'll never forget
because we loved her. She was real, and I loved
when he got the tattoo. He got the tattoo and
her reaction was so funny, remember which she was like, oh,
(01:47):
oh hold on, like eye contact. Yes, I'm actually looking
up the song. I'm kind of surprised at us that
we don't play that song all the time, Like right here,
it just came right up.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh my god, please play it for me. Her face
when he was singing the song, she was she just
looked like she was having like water water getting water boarded.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, no, it was.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
We all were many ways, but it was amazing. Now
it doesn't come through my phone that well, but I'm
going to just try it and see what happens. So
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(02:33):
remember his voice. Yes, I couldn't believe I was in
the sky, the city, the city, the city. I'm gonna
I'm gonna go path faster. He's he could cooned her.
They're on a helicopter ride looking at New York. Let's
get to this song.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
At the end, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Just you're rich joke in my hindside, see, and.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Then they just cut to like a bird Are you
just hear like this bird in the background, like over
like a really pretty sunset. It's just a phenomenon that's
you know, let's bring that back. Let's bring back those editors,
that show runner. That never has to happen.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
We did. Somebody said this on our Facebook page, like
we needed to.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
We need the two on ones back, We need those
like super thirsty, awesome two on ones.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
We absolutely do. And I don't understand. I don't understand
where things went wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I don't either, but you know, hopefully we do have hope,
you guys, and we're going to get into that. So
we don't want to be negative this whole time. I'm
actually hopeful for Bachelor in Paradise, and I'm all, I'm
hopeful for the entire franchise. Believe it or not. They
know they did wrong. They're working on it. We may
not work, but they're trying.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
They really are.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yes, they just fight. I mean a bunch of people
have been brought.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
In, a new showrunner, brand new show runner who's out
of the Bachelor universe for a Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
For a Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, but to fund it up to try to find
a little love island back at you know, like let's
let's modernize this a little more, which they they didn't
have a problem with really in the first place on
that show. I mean, I hope they don't do it
too much and like add in like a bunch of
games and ship like oh that.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
No, I know, but you never know what they're gonna do.
But the like stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Okay, great, and then they're you know, they're revam they're
starting over. They know they fucked up, and we have
a big I have a I have a macro note.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
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Speaker 2 (04:48):
I have a macro note before after that about this season.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, I have so many There were so many times
that I was just having like big thoughts, big feelings
about what was about what was being told to us
is what we're seeing. And I was like, but we're
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Speaker 3 (07:16):
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Speaker 2 (07:17):
I was so mad because the entire from before this
season even started, it was like, you have never seen
anyone have such a hard time choosing between two women,
or two women, as they say, for no reason, You've
just never seen it. We've never down to the wear.
None of that happened, none of them. I was completely alive.
He one hundred percent new was Juliani. Probably three weeks
(07:40):
before this aired, we all did. There was no question
that she was never going to leave him. She was
never going to say no. Like I don't even think
that Littilla was surprised. I think he told her beforehand.
It almost seemed like, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
What, I'm going to push back on that. I do think, okay,
And with some of the this is going to be
on our Patreon because some of this is after the
final Rose stuff, so I want to leave a little
something for that. But of like Latia's reaction, which we
will get to. But I do think that the problem
(08:15):
is not that Grant's an asshole. I think the problem
is Grant is like a people pleaser, and I think
he did get caught up in the moment, I think
they all do. How else do you explain the whole
zach Oh, I'm Zack, but sleeping with Gabby and sleeping
with Katie knowing full well he was going to be
picking Katie.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
See, I have no problem with that, and never have.
I'm the weird one that's like, that's kind of the show.
That's been fun. On the show the fantasy suite, that's
ridict it's insane, but it is kind of real life.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
You're dating. A lot of people sleep together before they
get exclusive, Like it's just kind of how it is.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I that was the most I love that part of it,
and I never had fault with anyone who slept with
a couple people in the fantasy suites.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
They're trying it out, they're trying out merchandise.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I guess, But I don't think, and I have heard,
you know, listen, I don't. I'm not a nick viol
fan by any means. I think the guy is hello problematic,
and I don't. I don't agree with a lot of
his takes, but he is the one who he has
said about a lot of the leads that you know
that you know before the Fantasy suites who you're picking,
(09:23):
and yeah, you don't have to sleep with people like
if you if this is your person and you know
they're going to be upset. Like he said that he
didn't sleep with anybody besides Vanessa and he knew he
was picking her. I'm not saying that's right or wrong.
I'm not saying like, you're a bad person for thinking
people should have sex with multiple women.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
You're not saying I am.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, i'd say that horrible.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I just I just feel like and even the I
love you is you're caught up. It's a weird experiment.
You're like a mouse and a maze. Yeah, I love you,
I love you. They put me on a helicopter with you.
I love you, like that's the whole show. He Grant
is saying that in the moment he did I like
confused moment being yesterday. I mean, I didn't buy that,
(10:06):
but I wasn't mad at Grant for it. I was
mad at production.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Well, I'm saying in the moment I'm saying for I'm saying,
here's what I'm saying in the moment of like being
with Letia, when he's in the moment and he's like,
oh my god, I do think she's the one. I
don't think that he was one hundred percent. I just don't.
I don't. I think I'm totally agreeing with you. It
was completely overplayed. I do think that, of course that day,
(10:28):
he knew he was picking Juliana. At that point, he
was just like, I know that, I'm really going to
hurt Latia. And guess what we find out later that
he had very much led her to believe she was
getting picked. That's what I think was the problem. Was like,
oh god, I'm not going to go back and tell
her after everything I said.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And I think he knew that, and that's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And he owned it and we'll get to that. But
the other thing is it's hard to tell with her,
like is she mad, is she upset? Her face nods,
she's not moving her face, she looks like she's like
maybe a slow but with her eyes open.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I have so much tells say about her, and I
do think that like she she does give us some
kind of good juice, which is what these like. She.
I kind of appreciated that she was like, here's everything
that happened.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, I like that too. I like that too, but
I still at the same time, like Grant, I don't
know why. I think he really gave it his all,
the best he could and the least problematic. Like people
will say, oh, he said I love you to two people,
but I like that. They even had the panel, which
we'll get to everybody else who also did that.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I know Clayton wasn't your favorite.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It never bothered me when Clayton did it, for the
same reason that I'm saying it doesn't bother me now.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I'd like, you get wrapped.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
This is a television show, and these people are trying
to make a TV show, And I was picturing so
many times the producers getting mad at people and being like,
I don't care if you already know you want to
pick Juliana. We have no storyline for you. It's exactly
what's happening. That's exactly what's happening. Yeah, And you're gonna
(12:03):
play this up, and this is your only story, So
this is our only drama. You're gonna play it up.
You're not gonna make comments and go like no, I
pretty much know who I want to pick, Like this
is this is the story we've chosen, and you're gonna
go along with it.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Now did Grant have to do all that? Did he
do a little too much? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I mean it's just he's just that guy though, Like
you see him with his parents, you see him with
his dad, who's given him a lot. We're gonna get
into Robert too. You get like, he's just he's a
I think he's just a really good guy. I still
can't believe that people didn't like him.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I guess it's not that the show didn't work this
season because of Grant. I think it was just, like
we've said before, it's antiquated. The show is old news,
and I think people are sort of at their wits end.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And here's another problem. I'm gonna I'm gonna spit out
at you.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Another problem was we didn't really have any villains. They
try to create one with Carolina. So if you've got
Grant and he's genuinely like a nice guy, then what
do you have, Like, what do you have? And you
don't have any women who are like totally batshit crazy?
You just have people that you're like, Yeah, I could
see her side, I could also see this side. That
doesn't make for riveting ABC primetime two hours every week
(13:21):
of television. It just doesn't then.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
But then what happens You can't win because then you
put on some like mentally unstable people you know, who
could either really self implode and we're watching it on
TV and they're probably not ready for prime time, or
you know, somebody like Devin, who, yeah, makes good TV,
but is you know, we had to sit That's this
whole article I sent you the other day about like, uh,
(13:44):
you know, why did it die? Wise the show dying? Well,
those two showrunners that finally did leave, you know, that
was their idea to like make Jen have to sit
there like it tortured by Devn like basically.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
On live on TV. So it's like that it's good TV.
But do we want that either?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Well I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I don't think that was good TV either. And here's
why I think that Devon is not the right kind
of a.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Villain, right, And he was danger he was dangerous. He
was a Dan dangerous.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Like that's not what I mean by like, there are
good villains where you should be able to tell like
like gard Of, like Luke p or like people that
you're like, oh my god, why is she not getting
rid of this guy. We can all see, like, what
a terrorist this person is?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Good call.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, Like so the producers have not been protecting Like
they didn't protect Jen.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
She wasn't guarded and protected her heart.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It did not hard and protect her heart. No, I'm
getting a garden protect Jen's heart. And then I'm going
to send her a screenshot of it, and she's not
going to think it's creepy. She's going to think it's
a beautiful gesture by like a pretty popular Podcasterdn't.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
He on the mountain with you? Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That was Okay, let into this. Okay, we're live, and
I'm just going to say this. The sound was not great,
the mix, so when they open the show, it's like,
what don't do it live if you can't, if you're
not capable. I agree, some things go bad. I guess whatever.
But Jesse, we are a Jesse stands here. We love Jesse.
(15:20):
But he seemed tired. He seemed checked out, and I
don't know, maybe I was checked out, so I was
just like projecting that on him, but he no, I
agree with you. He looked tired and he looked like
I don't care. And then when he said things. He
didn't believe it because he's like, guys, it's a historical
conclusion that we will not see coming. Get your tises
(15:41):
saw it coming. We fully saw it coming. We've seen
it coming for weeks. We've been discussing it.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Right, it was.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Mormon and like on the baby train, and they've been
they've been doing nothing but like leading us to believe
it's going to be Juliana.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
So I don't understand it, you know, just once.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I would like it to be like what and not
believe that he picked up and we.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Have had that.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I can't remember the because I can't there's too many see,
I can't recall it up. But there have been those
moments probably in the last five six years where I've
been like, oh my god and texted you and kind
of been because we don't spoil ourselves, which were really
good at yeah and uh yeah, I mean I don't
even look at like style Spotter, you know, because it's like, oh,
it's just going to tell me something I don't want
(16:30):
to know. But I've been surprised before this was not it,
and to lead it up like this was just it
was this kind of kind of offensive to the audience.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
So offensive, and during this episode, it's so obvious that
he's way more into what Juliana than we.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
All, and we all are we all and his parents
were except for Taylor. The sister did not like Juliana.
I could tell. But we'll come back to that too.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
So let's let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
There were couple alumni shots in the audience shout outs, right,
and we had that we're come.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Back to that too.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Such a this is so painful, Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I know, I know, so.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It yes, and uh, first up, Litilla is coming to
meet Grant's parents, and Grant tells us that this is
I swear to God. Grant during all of his camera
interviews about Letia looked like he was in a hostage video.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
One hundred I literally, Stephanie, I wrote, hostage.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
That's really funny.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yes, yes, just he's like, hey, yeah, Latilla is really
ready to be a wife, and that's great.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah for that. She comes on Jesus AX and then listen,
I'm not saying she takes a next. She probably doesn't
because of her religious whatever. She seemed it though.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
She is oo.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
She's like she's like she's like a yoga. She's like
she's like downward dog. If that were a person.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
If the dog were a person, maybe this.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Is like, you know, or maybe what's the what's the
last one where you like lay down on your back
chavasena chavasas when you like meditate at the end, if
that were a person.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I mean, it's just very like but it's also very
like Manson.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Girl, Oh my god, Manson girl. And also really could
have done without her baby voice this whole It was
screaming baby voice to me.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Oh oh yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Really yeah, very very very Manson.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
And I was like, coltie into this, like she says
all the right things.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
He wasn't into it, but and maybe he was before
because later we are going to find out a lot
of stuff that he said to her. And I was like, well,
maybe he said that stuff a bit earlier and then
didn't know how to get out of it, right, because
once he started to realize, like, oh my god, the
eyes are a little weirdly wide and kind of you know, crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
So she goes to meet the family.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
We meet, We see her dad, Robert, who I have
so many feelings about Robert, but I'm so happy he's
alive and there with his family.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I love him a hard way. Taylor's sister is a
little cold.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I mean, Taylor the sister is a little cold to me.
I don't know if i'd want her, I'd be scared
of her. So cold, so cold, And that likes she
likes Letia. Oh yeah, she says. She's like, yeah, you're
the one, only you, okay, And then like when Juliana
is there later, she's just like not making eye contact.
I felt like she's she's That was a lot, and
(19:43):
I just kept writing Lytia seems sedateed, yes, so the mom.
So the mom tells the camera that she can tell
that he likes her, but that he's still torn and shit.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Tells us everything.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yes, yeah, so then uh, the mom talks to Letia
and she this mom. I liked it. I liked his mom,
I do. I liked his mom. But I just thought
it was funny that she thought she was going to
be some kind of like journalist for dateline. She's like, yeah,
I'm about to ask some hard questions. So she's like,
what makes you love my son? Like, oh, you went there, you.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Said, What's that's a good question?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Is she the one that can or was it Juliana
the kid I'm really glad you asked that question.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I think that was Juliana later.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I think it was I'm really glad you asked the
question of why if I love your son. Yeah, she's
just like, yeah, he seems to show up and he's
just like, what did she?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And then she's like, and also, I'm really happy to
move away from my parents and be in a more
neutral place.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Right like North Dakota, not here, maybe somewhere. Grand's been
so lonely. And he told me about how he's known
than this and how there were no family dinners and
his dad was a drug addict. Who's right, I'm right here.
He's like right behind her weaving. He's like, I'm I
(21:11):
can hear you. You know what she sounds like the
way you're doing it, and it's perfect is like Janice
from the Muppets.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Hey, like, what are we gonna do today?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yes? Yes, but like a little softer, a little meat
maybe meets like a maybe one of the Jackson siblings.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
But she doesn't like enunciate all her words anymore because
and it's on purpose. It's like it's not like a
speech impediment. It's like she's like, I'm just trying to
seem kind of like sweet and the little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yong, But are you getting a little LaToya? I get
a little LaToya here.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So the mom's like, if Grant asks you to marry him,
will you say yes? She's like yes, like a hundred person.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Now is this when She's like, and I, you know,
I've been very clear about my timeline. TikTok. I'm thirty
one and I need seven children by thirty two. Yeah,
that's what's happening with me.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
He knows that, he knows.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So then the dad sits with Letia and he's like,
you know, it's really hard for my son because like
me and my wife were divorced. I don't know if
you know about this, but like be divorced, and also
like I went through like some hard stuff, and you know,
I don't want that to happen to him, So how
do you feel about that? And Letia answers questions like
she's in a job interview.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
She's like, yeah, oh, where do I see myself in
five years?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh, thank you for asking. I see myself as an
important part of this organization, having grown in my role
and contributing to the company's success. I want to my
skills and take more responsibility and go work with my
team to reach our goals. And then she just smiles like, yeah,
(23:03):
I did that. Yes, serious, are you?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Sometimes I have to work on my time management because
I'll find myself at the office until like one in
the morning, getting the jobs done.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
But I know that's not right for me. Oh my god,
that's such a good call.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I'm a bit of a perfectionist, and if I see
somebody struggling at their desk, I will take on even
more responsibility so.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
That sometimes rest and they rest well in our church.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
And sometimes I do take my.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Work home with me sometimes because the company is important
to me. And until I get severed, like in the
TV show Severed, where I can separate my Inny from
my Audi.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
It's all going to be one thing for me. Is
that an answer?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
And Robert's like, whoa mind blown don't understand compute?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And he was not even listening to that. He doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
She's like, you know Adam Scott in the television shows Severance,
he just leave. Robert gets up and leaves, So I mean,
so then Robert's talking to Grant, and Grant's like Grant
is telegraphing the end so hard.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
But now, how do we keep.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Going back to Jesse and having him go I don't
know what's gonna None of us know what's gonna happen.
Even Grant doesn't know. He just says to his dad first,
and he's like, yeah, I mean she wants to have
kids like right away, and I kind of don't because
like I want to travel and like have fun, and
like that's kind of our hurdle. And then the dad
(24:44):
does not. He does not understand the assignment.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
He does not he takes her side. It's so weird.
I hate that.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Oh my god, I told I completely wrote that down too.
That He was just like, son, you gotta do what
you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
He's like, don't put yourself in a box and just
let one of little issue stop the whole thing. It's
like one little oldo. She's Mormon and wants him to
and wants him to go to the sunken place. Yeah,
one little issue.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
But I will I'll give her Robert this.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
He wasn't nearly into Litia as he was, like when
Juliana walked in, like everyone lit.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Up except Taylor. The thing's interesting and this is I
don't know, I hate I hate myself for even saying this,
but if we're just going by like I mean, Litilla
is gorgeous every shot of her. I was like, this
girl is a freaking supermodel.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
She is. They both all are. To me, though, I
really came.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Off as like just a bit of a mess, Like
I like that mess, I know, but I was just
like this girl, these people are not ready to get married, no,
and Litia kind of is. And I think that was
the whole issue, is like Lytia's like, yeah, I'm ready
to like love the fuck out of you, and he's like, yeah,
not so fast.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Like, by the way, right, sorry were we When Lytia
and the mom we're talking to go back a little bit,
this just made me laugh. Their right down She's like
when did you know you loved him? It's like I
knew I loved him when I saw him with my family.
And then the mom's like, that is so grand?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
What is so grand? What are you?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
What are any of you talking about? That is just
so grand? Oh my god, so grand? That's so my son.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Exactly. Okay, So the dad okay, so so Grant is like,
thanks dad. That makes that makes a lot of sense,
it's still hostage video. So then the mom tells Grant,
she's like, you know, she's great and she loves God,
so I'm good. I'm good with her. And then Grant says,
(26:51):
in total robot hostage voice, He's like, yeah, my family
loves Letia. She could be She's gonna be a great
mom and she could be a great addition to my life.
So then Grant and Letia go have their bench time
and Letilla's like I oh, and he He's like, yeah,
(27:14):
so I think we need to have like like the
talk about the hard thing. Is this the part? Well?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I mean I just have to know.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
She just goes, I just love you.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, she's like out of her mind.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
She's like, I love you. I'm sappy, I love you. Yes, yeah, yes,
she's so much.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
We've talked about this many times. When you go on
a date with somebody and you're you could not be
more thinking, you're being clear that you're not into it,
and then the next day you get flowers and the goes,
that was an amazing date, and you're like, oh my god,
I was being a bitch and I thought I was
being pretty shut down and not giving anything. That's what
I felt like Grant was doing. I felt like he
(27:55):
was very shut down. I just wrote, I wrote, he's
one hundred percent holding back. I said, I could be wrong,
but I will be shocked if I'm wrong. I said,
I don't think he's picking her. And I said I
could be wrong, but I will be shocked.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Well, we kind of thought we'd be wrong because we
were told we were going to be wrong, right, yes,
that we were going to all be so shocked.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So that she just keeps talking to the camera and
she's like, I could be engage.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Missus ellis, Oh, okay towards it. Now, let's get let's
get past this because we'll have plenty more of her.
She shows up, her nose ring is bigger, she's taken
out the old one.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
There's a new one in.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I don't know how that happened or when, but okay,
she's ready to go, and.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
She's I think she's adorable. I don't. I'm like, was
she my pick? She was my pick? Right? I think
she was my pick.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
She's very cute. I mean, she's a trumper. So I'm
just never I'm never going to be like vibing with
her at this point. I just don't. I don't, you know.
I think she's young and she's very tight with her family,
and I'm thinking that her whole family is all Trumper.
So I don't know. I will see, we'll see how
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it goes for them.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Right, I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
And well, somebody pointed this out and we may have
talked about it on the show, like we don't have
any real reason to believe that Grant isn't a Trumper, right,
I know, I don't know that his parents are, and
I don't actually I don't think he is. But it
doesn't mean that he's like, you know, he might not be.
He might be a political like we don't know. I'm
gonna say this, and you know it. Take it for
how you will. I do really like Grant. I think
(29:38):
he's great. I think he's so sweet. He is not
the brightest and I'm just gonna say that. I mean,
he's just not he's not like super smart.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Right, well, see, I'm going to push back.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Okay, I think he is. I mean, I don't know
how we measure that, but he is. He's not said
or done anything. I think maybe you're reading that because
he is just so kind. He's very like, okay, all right, cool, cool, okay,
like you know what I mean, Like I think that
that's reading is not so smart, but that's.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, that's fair. I mean, this is it's just my
take now, you know. I mean, we can say that
I did I did administer an IQ test to him,
and I don't want to share the results because you know, hippa.
But you know, so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
push back because I do know things that you I do.
I am privy to information that you're not.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Now that's just really weird because you you just gave
us the information and then yelled and then yelled hippa,
like as though. Okay, I just every time we talk
about Juliana, I have to look her up. I was
surprised when people don't have a lot of followers. Whild
she only have one hundred thousand follow It seems like
she'd have so many more.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
One hundred thousand on Instagram is a lot.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It's not really any of these did not for these people, well, TikTok,
TikTok would be the real deciding factor. I'm looking through
her stuff and I'm just saying I just don't see
anything political you're saying, maybe she wiped it.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Okay, it was like pictures of Owens Donald Trump. Yeah, yeah, no,
she's she's she's right wing Owens.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I can't, I cannot or any of it. But then
I'm looking and she follows nice things too, Okay, Oh god,
oh god, Matt Rife, Okay, yeah, yeah, there's but Tom Brady,
I'm going to just give you the good ones and
the bad ones.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
As though Tom.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Brady, I was going to say, I don't know that
that sets her apart.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm just trying to find the big ones. I don't
know most of Kim Kardashian. You love her, You, Lindsay Lohan,
You're a huge fan. I'm just saying, who is Dave Portnoy.
I feel like I know that name.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Oh that's the guy from Barstool.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
No, he's vulnerable, and j Loo and all the Kardashians
and then a bunch of other famous people.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Okay, Portnoy is a terrible follow up. I accused a
lot of sexual misconduct. No, that's real bad. Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I don't understand then how it works for Grant because
I feel like those guys are kind of like racist, right,
I'm not sure I remember exactly, But well, then how
does that work for them?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
No, No, that's the that's the like I guess I'm
just apolitical and don't care and I like who I
like and doesn't mean anything about like my views.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
That's how I see it. I guess.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, Like remember that time I dated that, like, uh, well,
I want to say I don't want to say neo Nazi,
but he did have a Swaska on his face.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
And you were like, Cecily, I don't see how this works.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
And I'm like, you don't see him when we're netflixing
and chilling, right, you don't see what I see when
we're just like cuddled up.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
And so you were like, listen, he got that tattoo
on his face like a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Like five years when no, it's not even it's like
like a year ago, like oh my god, Stephanie, before
Trump was back in office. This was like a Biden.
This was like an answer to his feelings about Biden.
And you're like, but you loved Biden, Like yeah, but
I'm not one person with him.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I just see what this just tells me. Let's just
watch this show, like I say, like, I haven't watched it.
I haven't watched the finale yet, so let me go back,
let me go watch it, and then we'll discuss. But
let's just be entertained. Let's just be entertained, and like,
this doesn't say anything about us, like let them be them, Okay,
So I'm gonna go with you. She's adorable. It's fine,
(33:33):
it's all fine, it's definitely. Look, there's problems all over, right,
Latia is not the answer, so right.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Exactly, neither of them have the answer. But I enjoyed
Juliana in this moment. So she comes in. Robert likes
her right away, you can see that, right, you can
see that, And he's she's trying to he's trying to connect.
And I knew they would do this to try to
connect to her New York, which they should.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
They're all in.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
They're an East Coast family, so it makes sense they're
gonna totally get along with her more than a tea.
They don't even know what's going on with her, right,
so they're like, oh, you do like a sauce on
Sunday because that's what we used to do over in
the Bronx, We sauce on Sunday. And I'm like I'm
not sure that Robert has the same I don't know
if sauce on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Means the same thing. And I don't mean that to
be mean. I think they were all thinking it right, Grant.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Grant can't have set talked about his dad that much
and not have been like, oh come on now, oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
They were being cute. They're all being.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yes, But I do still feel like there's this elephant
in the room, which is that all Juliana and Grant
have done is trash their parents and then pretending they didn't.
They're like, oh my god, we've been through so much.
We're the loneliest people on the planet because like they
no parents. And then they're like, oh my god, our
parents would love each other, you guys. Ah family, it's everything.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
My god.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So Grant so and Juliana, by the way, before this
has told the camera.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I'm scared because we haven't so I love you to
each other.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And I'm scared. I'm scared.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I don't know if I could get there.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I'm giving her voicing joy behar.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I don't know. She doesn't have an accent really at all,
you know.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Scared, Yeah, I'm from like whiz goes from like, are
you first of all, in real life, he's from Jersey.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I don't know where are you.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I don't know where Greece took place in California. I
don't know why we New York the shit out of that.
Did they were like, okay, yeah, they were in Los Angeles.
So let let's talk about this for a second.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Sorry, bye, way by the way, real side side note
to the side note, my kids are performing in Greece tonight.
Tonight is opening night.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yay.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, I'm walking over heat.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
How many nights I want to calm I'll come.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Teo shows are there? Okay, I'd like to come to that.
So we'll talk about that after the thing.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I really would. I love seeing high school. I like
seeing this kind of thing, especially your kids. All right,
I want to see them in Greece. Okay, so wait,
go back.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I wanted to say this.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
If Greece took place in southern California, which it did,
then why we're like all the what do you call
the guys the grease?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, the uh, the burger, the burgers, the t birds.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Why would the tea birds all be from New York
and no, and there's no backstory on how they even
got there, Like it's sunny. Remember when you duty we
lived in Brooklyn together.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
How we ended up on this beach?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I don't know. It just made now in retrospect, it
makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I like the bat, like this franchise The Bachelor, right,
which I still weirdly like Steph and I had behind
the scenes last night, and then I swear to God
we'll get back into it where I was like, I
actually prefer watching The Bachelor to Love is Blind.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
And I know I'm the only one in the world
that feels that way.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I maybe there are other people. Listen, our our Bachelor
numbers are higher than our other numbers for even Love
is Blind.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
So I mean that everybody feels I just like it.
It moves quickly.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It's so dumb, but it's not so dumb that you
have to sit through like a pod. I don't want
to sit in a pod with it for an hour
with people. I do not want to do that.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Okay, all right, so yeah, so Grant, so we do
all that, and then Mom is like, you know, Juliana
seems to bring peace to his life, but I'm going
to ask her the hard questions. It's me, it's me,
Grandmom's grandt'smom from Dateline Dateline NBC. All right, let me
ask you this, what have you found in Grant that
(37:29):
you feel like you've fallen in love with? And she's like,
she's like, thank you for that question. So much like
in five years, I hope to take a leadership role
within the department and like share my knowledge and help
the company grow, like I see myself as an integral
part of the team's success.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Like it makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
It feels like a White House press thing. Okay, and
you thank you for that question. That was a very
good question. What is that your Fox News?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Thank you? Thank you for that. I mean, and there's okay.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
So, first of all, and I've said this before, I
want to reiterate, Robert totally likes her. We can see that,
which is adorable. Taylor does not, and I don't think
she ever turns around later the audience.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
She is not like Juliana.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
No, they never addressed the fact that the mom is
basically has told him, I you got to walk away
from this one, oh.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Right, because she's kind of acting like she's unsure even
though she's really not, because she said she's like, well,
you know, we haven't. I'm glad you asked because we
haven't told each other that we love each other yet.
And she's like, oh, well, you know, the thing is
in two days, so you might want to get on that.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I mean, that's that's why this thing is failing, because
that just makes no sense. Right.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
She goes to the mom goes, well, how do you
know you'll get there, and she's like, oh my gosh,
another great question.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah, Voice of America, thank you so much for that.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yes, yes, and that's an MPR okay, and he's write
down npryea.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
She's like, I am concerned. Yeah, I have some hesitancy, so,
you know, because there's someone else, so but thank you,
but thank you for asking.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Next question. Uh yeah. So then the mom is talking
to Grant and she's like, yep, you've got two beautiful
people here.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
One of them is like really great, and one of
them is.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Not ready to tell you she loves you. So I'm
gonna ask you to go ahead and walk away from that. Yeah,
and Grant saying what evs, Yeah, it's a show so stupid.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
So oh so then Juliana talks to the dad and
the dad goes, yeah, like Robert says, he told me
that you're, you know, a little guarded.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
But hey, do you have any questions for me? It's
not the Robert Show.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I love the Robert Show though, and I do think
that like wouldn't be funny if it cuts back to
Robert and her and like he's twirling her hair. It's
a little flirty. He's like, beautiful hair. How do you
how do you get it? Do you flat iron it?
Or what do you do? It was definitely it was
all the Robbert Show. And she was she was kind.
Everybody was kind to him. I like that, Yeah, what
(40:03):
is she going to be like? Fuck you, you made
Grant eat dinner alone and now he's gonna hit her
with everybody forever.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
It's just so funny though, because Julianna goes and tries
to spit it back to her but then realizes what's happening.
She's like, yeah, I just want him to know that
he can like have his bad days, his good days,
and also have his bad days.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Uh is that something you feel like he struggles with.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Oh my god, that was so weird. Both parents threw
him under the bus with her. They were like one
of them was like, he's really depressed. Have you seen
that yet? He like sometimes doesn't get out of bed
for like eight months. And then Robert's doing the same thing.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I couldn't believe.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
The things he was saying. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I
guess it's fair play. I guess it's only fair if
you know, we can put his entire medical history up
on The Bachelor and all his rehab stants which he
was apparently they said he was in one like one
day before this right now in rehab, Like, yeah, yes,
poor guy, I do. I root for that guy. So
(41:04):
I cried me too, Okay, yeah, okay, okay, you know
I never ever cry.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I did have some tears with this talk, the Grant
and dad talk, and he's basically listen, you don't often
see parents really taking responsibility, not just once, but like
many times. And I want to say that we had
we tried to force this conversation with Matt James and
his father, and it was very controversial because you know
(41:30):
it's like, oh, make the have the black man like
roll out with a bad relationship with his dad, and
then the dad was still an asshole and not really
Oh this it worked, you know, it worked with was Dean.
We talked about that. Dean's dad was horrible. Dean, I know,
but fuck you. If you're still carrying it around with you,
I'm great.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, but it was when I say it worked out,
it worked out for the audience.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
It was an interesting thing to watch Yan.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, but the Matt James thing was
super unco comfortable and exploitive. But this was great because
the dad was like, so wanted to be there. He's
probably had so much therapy, They've probably had a lot
of family therapy. And he's just like, I just want
to keep apologizing to you. And also he's like, despite
(42:17):
how horrible I was and the madness and the chaos
I created, like you were there for me. And then
when he goes like I'm put up, I'm not leaving
you again.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Oh my god, I got chills.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
And when he said when his voice cracked when he
said you put up with some stuff, like when he
said it that way and that's in Grant started crying.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Then Yeah, somehow he said it.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
It was that line for me that I was just like,
because you know you on a personal level, you and
I would love to hear that from certain people in
our families. Yeah, can you imagine the emotions you would
feel if, like I won't say any names, but if
somebody came in your family and was just said that,
like I'm so I'm so sorry, I see it. Oh
my god. It's like I don't think there's a bigger
(42:58):
feeling than that kind of like recognition, validation, forgiveness, and yeah,
it would be nice.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
So like and the way Grant has described it to
you can kind of see that maybe his dad was
really absent. But yes, you're very much an addict and
did create a lot of chaos. But I feel like
Grant can separate the addict from like the person that
his dad is trying to be and giving him a chance.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Also also knowing that he can't.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Nobody's ever exactly what you want them to be either,
Like he Robert's Robert. He's got a big personality. Yeah,
he's got a little bit of you know, he might
have done some damage in those addictive years. I'm not
totally sure what's what in his personality, you know, but like, yeah,
I don't think I think Grant has come to terms
with like this is I'm so glad he's alive and
(43:51):
I can talk to him.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
That's the best. That's the most I can hope for.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
And my my thing with Robert was even though it
is the Robert Show, but I never felt like he
was being performative.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Not at all.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I feel like he's just an emotional guy now now
that he's sober, he's dealing with his emotions and he
just wants to talk about it all the time and
he just keeps wanting to apologize and me.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
But it didn't.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Feel fake or for cameras. I of the cameras like
almost like I I know the cameras are here, and
I know I'm outing myself on TV, but I just
really that's how badly I want you to.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Know how I feel. Yes, oh my god, I have
I like that. See what a good thing.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
I know.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
He gave us a good thing.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
I think we have a lot more to get to you.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Let's pink out because this is this part is almost done.
So let's go. Let's just go that. Grant and Juliana
they're done. Bench they bench it out.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
This is a big deal. I forgot about this.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah yeah, so Grant is like I didn't know that
Grant hadn't said he loves her before, and neither I'd forgotten,
but he tells us. He tells us that they both
say we haven't said we love each other. Yeah, so
he hasn't said it to her, but it's possibly because
she's been like I'm not ready to hear it. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
But he's like, I love you.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
And then she says, well, I have been like really
scared and I you know, I'm not really ready for
a relationship, but I love you, and it's really obvious
at this moment. I was like, Okay, well there's no
possible this can't go another way, Like we've already seen
(45:35):
him with Letia and he's not into it.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
He's not into it.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
That we're done, and now we have like another hour
and a half to go.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah more considering, like what a waste of everybody's I'm
still looking at who she follows on Instagram. She follows
Noah Khan, that musician I love. So she has a
good taste in music. That's something.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Okay, So Grant tells us he's like, you know, this
is his like parting words before we go back to
the studios. Grant is like, you know, ah, like we
said we love each other, and I'm like so excited,
and he just seems giddy. He's so happy, and he's like,
and this would be great if it was an exclusive thing.
(46:18):
But I'm in love with someone else. I mean, you
guys all know I'm not really, but like I have said,
I'm in love with somebody else. So like I'm like,
you know, having to decide between two people. And I
was just thinking, no, you're not in love with Latia,
but now you're trying to be. This is where I
was like, oh, this is just production. Like you need
(46:41):
to tell us. You need to fucking give us this
grant because we've got nothing, but we have no show,
So now you need to say you need to keep
reminding us that you're very much in love with Latia.
So I feel like he was just trying to be
a good bachelor. Yeah, yeah he was.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
He did. Okay, Okay, so that ends that.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
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Speaker 3 (51:02):
You in five minutes for part two. Yeah right,
Hello everybody, and welcome to your favorite podcast. I don't
want to be presumptuous, but why wouldn't it be.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I don't understand why it wouldn't be now. Some of
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He really likes controversy. As you know, he's just super argument.
I don't know. I don't want to be.
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your He got that tattoo. I don't know what else
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wrote that song, he wrote me a song.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
He let me leave him stranded on like an island,
and he wasn't even bad he understood.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, he just well, we don't really know his reaction
because it was an aerial shot and we never really
saw his face ever again.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
As people know, I talk about it every episode.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
My favorite season was Ali's season, which was I think
season four of The Bat. That's a long time ago,
and that's when I loved it. Oh, I'll never forget
because we loved her. She was real, and I loved
when he got the tattoo. He got the tattoo and
her reaction was so funny, remember which she was like, oh,
(01:47):
oh hold on, like eye contact. Yes, I'm actually looking
up the song. I'm kind of surprised at us that
we don't play that song all the time, Like right here,
it just came right up.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh my god, please play it for me. Her face
when he was singing the song, she was she just
looked like she was having like water water getting water boarded.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, no, it was.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
We all were many ways, but it was amazing. Now
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get to this song.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
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Speaker 2 (02:59):
At the end, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Just you're rich joke in my hindside, see, and.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Then they just cut to like a bird Are you
just hear like this bird in the background, like over
like a really pretty sunset. It's just a phenomenon that's
you know, let's bring that back. Let's bring back those editors,
that show runner. That never has to happen.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
We did. Somebody said this on our Facebook page, like
we needed to.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
We need the two on ones back, We need those
like super thirsty, awesome two on ones.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
We absolutely do. And I don't understand. I don't understand
where things went wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I don't either, but you know, hopefully we do have hope,
you guys, and we're going to get into that. So
we don't want to be negative this whole time. I'm
actually hopeful for Bachelor in Paradise, and I'm all, I'm
hopeful for the entire franchise. Believe it or not. They
know they did wrong. They're working on it. We may
not work, but they're trying.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
They really are.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yes, they just fight. I mean a bunch of people
have been brought.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
In, a new showrunner, brand new show runner who's out
of the Bachelor universe for a Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
For a Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, but to fund it up to try to find
a little love island back at you know, like let's
let's modernize this a little more, which they they didn't
have a problem with really in the first place on
that show. I mean, I hope they don't do it
too much and like add in like a bunch of
games and ship like oh that.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
No, I know, but you never know what they're gonna do.
But the like stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Okay, great, and then they're you know, they're revam they're
starting over. They know they fucked up, and we have
a big I have a I have a macro note.
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I have a macro note before after that about this season.
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Yeah, I have so many There were so many times
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about what was about what was being told to us
is what we're seeing. And I was like, but we're
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Speaker 3 (07:16):
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Speaker 2 (07:17):
I was so mad because the entire from before this
season even started, it was like, you have never seen
anyone have such a hard time choosing between two women,
or two women, as they say, for no reason, You've
just never seen it. We've never down to the wear.
None of that happened, none of them. I was completely alive.
He one hundred percent new was Juliani. Probably three weeks
(07:40):
before this aired, we all did. There was no question
that she was never going to leave him. She was
never going to say no. Like I don't even think
that Littilla was surprised. I think he told her beforehand.
It almost seemed like, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
What, I'm going to push back on that. I do think, okay,
And with some of the this is going to be
on our Patreon because some of this is after the
final Rose stuff, so I want to leave a little
something for that. But of like Latia's reaction, which we
will get to. But I do think that the problem
(08:15):
is not that Grant's an asshole. I think the problem
is Grant is like a people pleaser, and I think
he did get caught up in the moment, I think
they all do. How else do you explain the whole
zach Oh, I'm Zack, but sleeping with Gabby and sleeping
with Katie knowing full well he was going to be
picking Katie.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
See, I have no problem with that, and never have.
I'm the weird one that's like, that's kind of the show.
That's been fun. On the show the fantasy suite, that's
ridict it's insane, but it is kind of real life.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
You're dating. A lot of people sleep together before they
get exclusive, Like it's just kind of how it is.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I that was the most I love that part of it,
and I never had fault with anyone who slept with
a couple people in the fantasy suites.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
They're trying it out, they're trying out merchandise.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I guess, But I don't think, and I have heard,
you know, listen, I don't. I'm not a nick viol
fan by any means. I think the guy is hello problematic,
and I don't. I don't agree with a lot of
his takes, but he is the one who he has
said about a lot of the leads that you know
that you know before the Fantasy suites who you're picking,
(09:23):
and yeah, you don't have to sleep with people like
if you if this is your person and you know
they're going to be upset. Like he said that he
didn't sleep with anybody besides Vanessa and he knew he
was picking her. I'm not saying that's right or wrong.
I'm not saying like, you're a bad person for thinking
people should have sex with multiple women.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
You're not saying I am.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, i'd say that horrible.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I just I just feel like and even the I
love you is you're caught up. It's a weird experiment.
You're like a mouse and a maze. Yeah, I love you,
I love you. They put me on a helicopter with you.
I love you, like that's the whole show. He Grant
is saying that in the moment he did I like
confused moment being yesterday. I mean, I didn't buy that,
(10:06):
but I wasn't mad at Grant for it. I was
mad at production.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Well, I'm saying in the moment I'm saying for I'm saying,
here's what I'm saying in the moment of like being
with Letia, when he's in the moment and he's like,
oh my god, I do think she's the one. I
don't think that he was one hundred percent. I just don't.
I don't. I think I'm totally agreeing with you. It
was completely overplayed. I do think that, of course that day,
(10:28):
he knew he was picking Juliana. At that point, he
was just like, I know that, I'm really going to
hurt Latia. And guess what we find out later that
he had very much led her to believe she was
getting picked. That's what I think was the problem. Was like,
oh god, I'm not going to go back and tell
her after everything I said.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And I think he knew that, and that's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And he owned it and we'll get to that. But
the other thing is it's hard to tell with her,
like is she mad, is she upset? Her face nods,
she's not moving her face, she looks like she's like
maybe a slow but with her eyes open.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I have so much tells say about her, and I
do think that like she she does give us some
kind of good juice, which is what these like. She.
I kind of appreciated that she was like, here's everything
that happened.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, I like that too. I like that too, but
I still at the same time, like Grant, I don't
know why. I think he really gave it his all,
the best he could and the least problematic. Like people
will say, oh, he said I love you to two people,
but I like that. They even had the panel, which
we'll get to everybody else who also did that.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I know Clayton wasn't your favorite.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It never bothered me when Clayton did it, for the
same reason that I'm saying it doesn't bother me now.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I'd like, you get wrapped.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
This is a television show, and these people are trying
to make a TV show, And I was picturing so
many times the producers getting mad at people and being like,
I don't care if you already know you want to
pick Juliana. We have no storyline for you. It's exactly
what's happening. That's exactly what's happening. Yeah, And you're gonna
(12:03):
play this up, and this is your only story, So
this is our only drama. You're gonna play it up.
You're not gonna make comments and go like no, I
pretty much know who I want to pick, Like this
is this is the story we've chosen, and you're gonna
go along with it.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Now did Grant have to do all that? Did he
do a little too much? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I mean it's just he's just that guy though, Like
you see him with his parents, you see him with
his dad, who's given him a lot. We're gonna get
into Robert too. You get like, he's just he's a
I think he's just a really good guy. I still
can't believe that people didn't like him.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I guess it's not that the show didn't work this
season because of Grant. I think it was just, like
we've said before, it's antiquated. The show is old news,
and I think people are sort of at their wits end.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And here's another problem. I'm gonna I'm gonna spit out
at you.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Another problem was we didn't really have any villains. They
try to create one with Carolina. So if you've got
Grant and he's genuinely like a nice guy, then what
do you have, Like, what do you have? And you
don't have any women who are like totally batshit crazy?
You just have people that you're like, Yeah, I could
see her side, I could also see this side. That
doesn't make for riveting ABC primetime two hours every week
(13:21):
of television. It just doesn't then.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
But then what happens You can't win because then you
put on some like mentally unstable people you know, who
could either really self implode and we're watching it on
TV and they're probably not ready for prime time, or
you know, somebody like Devin, who, yeah, makes good TV,
but is you know, we had to sit That's this
whole article I sent you the other day about like, uh,
(13:44):
you know, why did it die? Wise the show dying? Well,
those two showrunners that finally did leave, you know, that
was their idea to like make Jen have to sit
there like it tortured by Devn like basically.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
On live on TV. So it's like that it's good TV.
But do we want that either?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Well I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I don't think that was good TV either. And here's
why I think that Devon is not the right kind
of a.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Villain, right, And he was danger he was dangerous. He
was a Dan dangerous.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Like that's not what I mean by like, there are
good villains where you should be able to tell like
like gard Of, like Luke p or like people that
you're like, oh my god, why is she not getting
rid of this guy. We can all see, like, what
a terrorist this person is?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Good call.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, Like so the producers have not been protecting Like
they didn't protect Jen.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
She wasn't guarded and protected her heart.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It did not hard and protect her heart. No, I'm
getting a garden protect Jen's heart. And then I'm going
to send her a screenshot of it, and she's not
going to think it's creepy. She's going to think it's
a beautiful gesture by like a pretty popular Podcasterdn't.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
He on the mountain with you? Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That was Okay, let into this. Okay, we're live, and
I'm just going to say this. The sound was not great,
the mix, so when they open the show, it's like,
what don't do it live if you can't, if you're
not capable. I agree, some things go bad. I guess whatever.
But Jesse, we are a Jesse stands here. We love Jesse.
(15:20):
But he seemed tired. He seemed checked out, and I
don't know, maybe I was checked out, so I was
just like projecting that on him, but he no, I
agree with you. He looked tired and he looked like
I don't care. And then when he said things. He
didn't believe it because he's like, guys, it's a historical
conclusion that we will not see coming. Get your tises
(15:41):
saw it coming. We fully saw it coming. We've seen
it coming for weeks. We've been discussing it.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Right, it was.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Mormon and like on the baby train, and they've been
they've been doing nothing but like leading us to believe
it's going to be Juliana.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
So I don't understand it, you know, just once.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I would like it to be like what and not
believe that he picked up and we.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Have had that.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I can't remember the because I can't there's too many see,
I can't recall it up. But there have been those
moments probably in the last five six years where I've
been like, oh my god and texted you and kind
of been because we don't spoil ourselves, which were really
good at yeah and uh yeah, I mean I don't
even look at like style Spotter, you know, because it's like, oh,
it's just going to tell me something I don't want
(16:30):
to know. But I've been surprised before this was not it,
and to lead it up like this was just it
was this kind of kind of offensive to the audience.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
So offensive, and during this episode, it's so obvious that
he's way more into what Juliana than we.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
All, and we all are we all and his parents
were except for Taylor. The sister did not like Juliana.
I could tell. But we'll come back to that too.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
So let's let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
There were couple alumni shots in the audience shout outs, right,
and we had that we're come.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Back to that too.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Such a this is so painful, Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I know, I know, so.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It yes, and uh, first up, Litilla is coming to
meet Grant's parents, and Grant tells us that this is
I swear to God. Grant during all of his camera
interviews about Letia looked like he was in a hostage video.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
One hundred I literally, Stephanie, I wrote, hostage.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
That's really funny.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yes, yes, just he's like, hey, yeah, Latilla is really
ready to be a wife, and that's great.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah for that. She comes on Jesus AX and then listen,
I'm not saying she takes a next. She probably doesn't
because of her religious whatever. She seemed it though.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
She is oo.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
She's like she's like she's like a yoga. She's like
she's like downward dog. If that were a person.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
If the dog were a person, maybe this.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Is like, you know, or maybe what's the what's the
last one where you like lay down on your back
chavasena chavasas when you like meditate at the end, if
that were a person.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I mean, it's just very like but it's also very
like Manson.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Girl, Oh my god, Manson girl. And also really could
have done without her baby voice this whole It was
screaming baby voice to me.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Oh oh yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Really yeah, very very very Manson.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
And I was like, coltie into this, like she says
all the right things.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
He wasn't into it, but and maybe he was before
because later we are going to find out a lot
of stuff that he said to her. And I was like, well,
maybe he said that stuff a bit earlier and then
didn't know how to get out of it, right, because
once he started to realize, like, oh my god, the
eyes are a little weirdly wide and kind of you know, crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
So she goes to meet the family.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
We meet, We see her dad, Robert, who I have
so many feelings about Robert, but I'm so happy he's
alive and there with his family.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I love him a hard way. Taylor's sister is a
little cold.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I mean, Taylor the sister is a little cold to me.
I don't know if i'd want her, I'd be scared
of her. So cold, so cold, And that likes she
likes Letia. Oh yeah, she says. She's like, yeah, you're
the one, only you, okay, And then like when Juliana
is there later, she's just like not making eye contact.
I felt like she's she's That was a lot, and
(19:43):
I just kept writing Lytia seems sedateed, yes, so the mom.
So the mom tells the camera that she can tell
that he likes her, but that he's still torn and shit.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Tells us everything.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yes, yeah, so then uh, the mom talks to Letia
and she this mom. I liked it. I liked his mom,
I do. I liked his mom. But I just thought
it was funny that she thought she was going to
be some kind of like journalist for dateline. She's like, yeah,
I'm about to ask some hard questions. So she's like,
what makes you love my son? Like, oh, you went there, you.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Said, What's that's a good question?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Is she the one that can or was it Juliana
the kid I'm really glad you asked that question.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I think that was Juliana later.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I think it was I'm really glad you asked the
question of why if I love your son. Yeah, she's
just like, yeah, he seems to show up and he's
just like, what did she?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And then she's like, and also, I'm really happy to
move away from my parents and be in a more
neutral place.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Right like North Dakota, not here, maybe somewhere. Grand's been
so lonely. And he told me about how he's known
than this and how there were no family dinners and
his dad was a drug addict. Who's right, I'm right here.
He's like right behind her weaving. He's like, I'm I
(21:11):
can hear you. You know what she sounds like the
way you're doing it, and it's perfect is like Janice
from the Muppets.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Hey, like, what are we gonna do today?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yes? Yes, but like a little softer, a little meat
maybe meets like a maybe one of the Jackson siblings.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
But she doesn't like enunciate all her words anymore because
and it's on purpose. It's like it's not like a
speech impediment. It's like she's like, I'm just trying to
seem kind of like sweet and the little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yong, But are you getting a little LaToya? I get
a little LaToya here.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So the mom's like, if Grant asks you to marry him,
will you say yes? She's like yes, like a hundred person.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Now is this when She's like, and I, you know,
I've been very clear about my timeline. TikTok. I'm thirty
one and I need seven children by thirty two. Yeah,
that's what's happening with me.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
He knows that, he knows.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So then the dad sits with Letia and he's like,
you know, it's really hard for my son because like
me and my wife were divorced. I don't know if
you know about this, but like be divorced, and also
like I went through like some hard stuff, and you know,
I don't want that to happen to him, So how
do you feel about that? And Letia answers questions like
she's in a job interview.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
She's like, yeah, oh, where do I see myself in
five years?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh, thank you for asking. I see myself as an
important part of this organization, having grown in my role
and contributing to the company's success. I want to my
skills and take more responsibility and go work with my
team to reach our goals. And then she just smiles like, yeah,
(23:03):
I did that. Yes, serious, are you?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Sometimes I have to work on my time management because
I'll find myself at the office until like one in
the morning, getting the jobs done.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
But I know that's not right for me. Oh my god,
that's such a good call.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I'm a bit of a perfectionist, and if I see
somebody struggling at their desk, I will take on even
more responsibility so.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
That sometimes rest and they rest well in our church.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
And sometimes I do take my.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Work home with me sometimes because the company is important
to me. And until I get severed, like in the
TV show Severed, where I can separate my Inny from
my Audi.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
It's all going to be one thing for me. Is
that an answer?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
And Robert's like, whoa mind blown don't understand compute?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And he was not even listening to that. He doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
She's like, you know Adam Scott in the television shows Severance,
he just leave. Robert gets up and leaves, So I mean,
so then Robert's talking to Grant, and Grant's like Grant
is telegraphing the end so hard.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
But now, how do we keep.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Going back to Jesse and having him go I don't
know what's gonna None of us know what's gonna happen.
Even Grant doesn't know. He just says to his dad first,
and he's like, yeah, I mean she wants to have
kids like right away, and I kind of don't because
like I want to travel and like have fun, and
like that's kind of our hurdle. And then the dad
(24:44):
does not. He does not understand the assignment.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
He does not he takes her side. It's so weird.
I hate that.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Oh my god, I told I completely wrote that down too.
That He was just like, son, you gotta do what
you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
He's like, don't put yourself in a box and just
let one of little issue stop the whole thing. It's
like one little oldo. She's Mormon and wants him to
and wants him to go to the sunken place. Yeah,
one little issue.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
But I will I'll give her Robert this.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
He wasn't nearly into Litia as he was, like when
Juliana walked in, like everyone lit.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Up except Taylor. The thing's interesting and this is I
don't know, I hate I hate myself for even saying this,
but if we're just going by like I mean, Litilla
is gorgeous every shot of her. I was like, this
girl is a freaking supermodel.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
She is. They both all are. To me, though, I
really came.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Off as like just a bit of a mess, Like
I like that mess, I know, but I was just
like this girl, these people are not ready to get married, no,
and Litia kind of is. And I think that was
the whole issue, is like Lytia's like, yeah, I'm ready
to like love the fuck out of you, and he's like, yeah,
not so fast.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Like, by the way, right, sorry were we When Lytia
and the mom we're talking to go back a little bit,
this just made me laugh. Their right down She's like
when did you know you loved him? It's like I
knew I loved him when I saw him with my family.
And then the mom's like, that is so grand?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
What is so grand? What are you?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
What are any of you talking about? That is just
so grand? Oh my god, so grand? That's so my son.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Exactly. Okay, So the dad okay, so so Grant is like,
thanks dad. That makes that makes a lot of sense,
it's still hostage video. So then the mom tells Grant,
she's like, you know, she's great and she loves God,
so I'm good. I'm good with her. And then Grant says,
(26:51):
in total robot hostage voice, He's like, yeah, my family
loves Letia. She could be She's gonna be a great
mom and she could be a great addition to my life.
So then Grant and Letia go have their bench time
and Letilla's like I oh, and he He's like, yeah,
(27:14):
so I think we need to have like like the
talk about the hard thing. Is this the part? Well?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I mean I just have to know.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
She just goes, I just love you.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, she's like out of her mind.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
She's like, I love you. I'm sappy, I love you. Yes, yeah, yes,
she's so much.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
We've talked about this many times. When you go on
a date with somebody and you're you could not be
more thinking, you're being clear that you're not into it,
and then the next day you get flowers and the goes,
that was an amazing date, and you're like, oh my god,
I was being a bitch and I thought I was
being pretty shut down and not giving anything. That's what
I felt like Grant was doing. I felt like he
(27:55):
was very shut down. I just wrote, I wrote, he's
one hundred percent holding back. I said, I could be wrong,
but I will be shocked if I'm wrong. I said,
I don't think he's picking her. And I said I
could be wrong, but I will be shocked.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Well, we kind of thought we'd be wrong because we
were told we were going to be wrong, right, yes,
that we were going to all be so shocked.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So that she just keeps talking to the camera and
she's like, I could be engage.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Missus ellis, Oh, okay towards it. Now, let's get let's
get past this because we'll have plenty more of her.
She shows up, her nose ring is bigger, she's taken
out the old one.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
There's a new one in.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I don't know how that happened or when, but okay,
she's ready to go, and.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
She's I think she's adorable. I don't. I'm like, was
she my pick? She was my pick? Right? I think
she was my pick.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
She's very cute. I mean, she's a trumper. So I'm
just never I'm never going to be like vibing with
her at this point. I just don't. I don't, you know.
I think she's young and she's very tight with her family,
and I'm thinking that her whole family is all Trumper.
So I don't know. I will see, we'll see how
(29:12):
it goes for them.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Right, I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
And well, somebody pointed this out and we may have
talked about it on the show, like we don't have
any real reason to believe that Grant isn't a Trumper, right,
I know, I don't know that his parents are, and
I don't actually I don't think he is. But it
doesn't mean that he's like, you know, he might not be.
He might be a political like we don't know. I'm
gonna say this, and you know it. Take it for
how you will. I do really like Grant. I think
(29:38):
he's great. I think he's so sweet. He is not
the brightest and I'm just gonna say that. I mean,
he's just not he's not like super smart.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Right, well, see, I'm going to push back.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Okay, I think he is. I mean, I don't know
how we measure that, but he is. He's not said
or done anything. I think maybe you're reading that because
he is just so kind. He's very like, okay, all right, cool, cool, okay,
like you know what I mean, Like I think that
that's reading is not so smart, but that's.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, that's fair. I mean, this is it's just my
take now, you know. I mean, we can say that
I did I did administer an IQ test to him,
and I don't want to share the results because you know, hippa.
But you know, so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
push back because I do know things that you I do.
I am privy to information that you're not.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Now that's just really weird because you you just gave
us the information and then yelled and then yelled hippa,
like as though. Okay, I just every time we talk
about Juliana, I have to look her up. I was
surprised when people don't have a lot of followers. Whild
she only have one hundred thousand follow It seems like
she'd have so many more.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
One hundred thousand on Instagram is a lot.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It's not really any of these did not for these people, well, TikTok,
TikTok would be the real deciding factor. I'm looking through
her stuff and I'm just saying I just don't see
anything political you're saying, maybe she wiped it.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Okay, it was like pictures of Owens Donald Trump. Yeah, yeah, no,
she's she's she's right wing Owens.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I can't, I cannot or any of it. But then
I'm looking and she follows nice things too, Okay, Oh god,
oh god, Matt Rife, Okay, yeah, yeah, there's but Tom Brady,
I'm going to just give you the good ones and
the bad ones.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
As though Tom.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Brady, I was going to say, I don't know that
that sets her apart.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm just trying to find the big ones. I don't
know most of Kim Kardashian. You love her, You, Lindsay Lohan,
You're a huge fan. I'm just saying, who is Dave Portnoy.
I feel like I know that name.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Oh that's the guy from Barstool.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
No, he's vulnerable, and j Loo and all the Kardashians
and then a bunch of other famous people.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Okay, Portnoy is a terrible follow up. I accused a
lot of sexual misconduct. No, that's real bad. Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I don't understand then how it works for Grant because
I feel like those guys are kind of like racist, right,
I'm not sure I remember exactly, But well, then how
does that work for them?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
No, No, that's the that's the like I guess I'm
just apolitical and don't care and I like who I
like and doesn't mean anything about like my views.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
That's how I see it. I guess.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, Like remember that time I dated that, like, uh, well,
I want to say I don't want to say neo Nazi,
but he did have a Swaska on his face.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
And you were like, Cecily, I don't see how this works.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
And I'm like, you don't see him when we're netflixing
and chilling, right, you don't see what I see when
we're just like cuddled up.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
And so you were like, listen, he got that tattoo
on his face like a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Like five years when no, it's not even it's like
like a year ago, like oh my god, Stephanie, before
Trump was back in office. This was like a Biden.
This was like an answer to his feelings about Biden.
And you're like, but you loved Biden, Like yeah, but
I'm not one person with him.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I just see what this just tells me. Let's just
watch this show, like I say, like, I haven't watched it.
I haven't watched the finale yet, so let me go back,
let me go watch it, and then we'll discuss. But
let's just be entertained. Let's just be entertained, and like,
this doesn't say anything about us, like let them be them, Okay,
So I'm gonna go with you. She's adorable. It's fine,
(33:33):
it's all fine, it's definitely. Look, there's problems all over, right,
Latia is not the answer, so right.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Exactly, neither of them have the answer. But I enjoyed
Juliana in this moment. So she comes in. Robert likes
her right away, you can see that, right, you can
see that, And he's she's trying to he's trying to connect.
And I knew they would do this to try to
connect to her New York, which they should.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
They're all in.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
They're an East Coast family, so it makes sense they're
gonna totally get along with her more than a tea.
They don't even know what's going on with her, right,
so they're like, oh, you do like a sauce on
Sunday because that's what we used to do over in
the Bronx, We sauce on Sunday. And I'm like I'm
not sure that Robert has the same I don't know
if sauce on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Means the same thing. And I don't mean that to
be mean. I think they were all thinking it right, Grant.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Grant can't have set talked about his dad that much
and not have been like, oh come on now, oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
They were being cute. They're all being.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yes, But I do still feel like there's this elephant
in the room, which is that all Juliana and Grant
have done is trash their parents and then pretending they didn't.
They're like, oh my god, we've been through so much.
We're the loneliest people on the planet because like they
no parents. And then they're like, oh my god, our
parents would love each other, you guys. Ah family, it's everything.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
My god.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So Grant so and Juliana, by the way, before this
has told the camera.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I'm scared because we haven't so I love you to
each other.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And I'm scared. I'm scared.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I don't know if I could get there.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I'm giving her voicing joy behar.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I don't know. She doesn't have an accent really at all,
you know.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Scared, Yeah, I'm from like whiz goes from like, are
you first of all, in real life, he's from Jersey.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I don't know where are you.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I don't know where Greece took place in California. I
don't know why we New York the shit out of that.
Did they were like, okay, yeah, they were in Los Angeles.
So let let's talk about this for a second.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Sorry, bye, way by the way, real side side note
to the side note, my kids are performing in Greece tonight.
Tonight is opening night.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yay.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, I'm walking over heat.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
How many nights I want to calm I'll come.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Teo shows are there? Okay, I'd like to come to that.
So we'll talk about that after the thing.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I really would. I love seeing high school. I like
seeing this kind of thing, especially your kids. All right,
I want to see them in Greece. Okay, so wait,
go back.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I wanted to say this.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
If Greece took place in southern California, which it did,
then why we're like all the what do you call
the guys the grease?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, the uh, the burger, the burgers, the t birds.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Why would the tea birds all be from New York
and no, and there's no backstory on how they even
got there, Like it's sunny. Remember when you duty we
lived in Brooklyn together.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
How we ended up on this beach?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I don't know. It just made now in retrospect, it
makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I like the bat, like this franchise The Bachelor, right,
which I still weirdly like Steph and I had behind
the scenes last night, and then I swear to God
we'll get back into it where I was like, I
actually prefer watching The Bachelor to Love is Blind.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
And I know I'm the only one in the world
that feels that way.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I maybe there are other people. Listen, our our Bachelor
numbers are higher than our other numbers for even Love
is Blind.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
So I mean that everybody feels I just like it.
It moves quickly.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It's so dumb, but it's not so dumb that you
have to sit through like a pod. I don't want
to sit in a pod with it for an hour
with people. I do not want to do that.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Okay, all right, so yeah, so Grant, so we do
all that, and then Mom is like, you know, Juliana
seems to bring peace to his life, but I'm going
to ask her the hard questions. It's me, it's me,
Grandmom's grandt'smom from Dateline Dateline NBC. All right, let me
ask you this, what have you found in Grant that
(37:29):
you feel like you've fallen in love with? And she's like,
she's like, thank you for that question. So much like
in five years, I hope to take a leadership role
within the department and like share my knowledge and help
the company grow, like I see myself as an integral
part of the team's success.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Like it makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
It feels like a White House press thing. Okay, and
you thank you for that question. That was a very
good question. What is that your Fox News?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Thank you? Thank you for that. I mean, and there's okay.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
So, first of all, and I've said this before, I
want to reiterate, Robert totally likes her. We can see that,
which is adorable. Taylor does not, and I don't think
she ever turns around later the audience.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
She is not like Juliana.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
No, they never addressed the fact that the mom is
basically has told him, I you got to walk away
from this one, oh.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Right, because she's kind of acting like she's unsure even
though she's really not, because she said she's like, well,
you know, we haven't. I'm glad you asked because we
haven't told each other that we love each other yet.
And she's like, oh, well, you know, the thing is
in two days, so you might want to get on that.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I mean, that's that's why this thing is failing, because
that just makes no sense. Right.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
She goes to the mom goes, well, how do you
know you'll get there, and she's like, oh my gosh,
another great question.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah, Voice of America, thank you so much for that.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yes, yes, and that's an MPR okay, and he's write
down npryea.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
She's like, I am concerned. Yeah, I have some hesitancy, so,
you know, because there's someone else, so but thank you,
but thank you for asking.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Next question. Uh yeah. So then the mom is talking
to Grant and she's like, yep, you've got two beautiful
people here.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
One of them is like really great, and one of
them is.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Not ready to tell you she loves you. So I'm
gonna ask you to go ahead and walk away from that. Yeah,
and Grant saying what evs, Yeah, it's a show so stupid.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
So oh so then Juliana talks to the dad and
the dad goes, yeah, like Robert says, he told me
that you're, you know, a little guarded.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
But hey, do you have any questions for me? It's
not the Robert Show.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I love the Robert Show though, and I do think
that like wouldn't be funny if it cuts back to
Robert and her and like he's twirling her hair. It's
a little flirty. He's like, beautiful hair. How do you
how do you get it? Do you flat iron it?
Or what do you do? It was definitely it was
all the Robbert Show. And she was she was kind.
Everybody was kind to him. I like that, Yeah, what
(40:03):
is she going to be like? Fuck you, you made
Grant eat dinner alone and now he's gonna hit her
with everybody forever.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
It's just so funny though, because Julianna goes and tries
to spit it back to her but then realizes what's happening.
She's like, yeah, I just want him to know that
he can like have his bad days, his good days,
and also have his bad days.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Uh is that something you feel like he struggles with.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Oh my god, that was so weird. Both parents threw
him under the bus with her. They were like one
of them was like, he's really depressed. Have you seen
that yet? He like sometimes doesn't get out of bed
for like eight months. And then Robert's doing the same thing.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I couldn't believe.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
The things he was saying. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I
guess it's fair play. I guess it's only fair if
you know, we can put his entire medical history up
on The Bachelor and all his rehab stants which he
was apparently they said he was in one like one
day before this right now in rehab, Like, yeah, yes,
poor guy, I do. I root for that guy. So
(41:04):
I cried me too, Okay, yeah, okay, okay, you know
I never ever cry.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I did have some tears with this talk, the Grant
and dad talk, and he's basically listen, you don't often
see parents really taking responsibility, not just once, but like
many times. And I want to say that we had
we tried to force this conversation with Matt James and
his father, and it was very controversial because you know
(41:30):
it's like, oh, make the have the black man like
roll out with a bad relationship with his dad, and
then the dad was still an asshole and not really
Oh this it worked, you know, it worked with was Dean.
We talked about that. Dean's dad was horrible. Dean, I know,
but fuck you. If you're still carrying it around with you,
I'm great.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, but it was when I say it worked out,
it worked out for the audience.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
It was an interesting thing to watch Yan.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, but the Matt James thing was
super unco comfortable and exploitive. But this was great because
the dad was like, so wanted to be there. He's
probably had so much therapy, They've probably had a lot
of family therapy. And he's just like, I just want
to keep apologizing to you. And also he's like, despite
(42:17):
how horrible I was and the madness and the chaos
I created, like you were there for me. And then
when he goes like I'm put up, I'm not leaving
you again.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Oh my god, I got chills.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
And when he said when his voice cracked when he
said you put up with some stuff, like when he
said it that way and that's in Grant started crying.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Then Yeah, somehow he said it.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
It was that line for me that I was just like,
because you know you on a personal level, you and
I would love to hear that from certain people in
our families. Yeah, can you imagine the emotions you would
feel if, like I won't say any names, but if
somebody came in your family and was just said that,
like I'm so I'm so sorry, I see it. Oh
my god. It's like I don't think there's a bigger
(42:58):
feeling than that kind of like recognition, validation, forgiveness, and yeah,
it would be nice.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
So like and the way Grant has described it to
you can kind of see that maybe his dad was
really absent. But yes, you're very much an addict and
did create a lot of chaos. But I feel like
Grant can separate the addict from like the person that
his dad is trying to be and giving him a chance.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Also also knowing that he can't.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Nobody's ever exactly what you want them to be either,
Like he Robert's Robert. He's got a big personality. Yeah,
he's got a little bit of you know, he might
have done some damage in those addictive years. I'm not
totally sure what's what in his personality, you know, but like, yeah,
I don't think I think Grant has come to terms
with like this is I'm so glad he's alive and
(43:51):
I can talk to him.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
That's the best. That's the most I can hope for.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
And my my thing with Robert was even though it
is the Robert Show, but I never felt like he
was being performative.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Not at all.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I feel like he's just an emotional guy now now
that he's sober, he's dealing with his emotions and he
just wants to talk about it all the time and
he just keeps wanting to apologize and me.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
But it didn't.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Feel fake or for cameras. I of the cameras like
almost like I I know the cameras are here, and
I know I'm outing myself on TV, but I just
really that's how badly I want you to.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Know how I feel. Yes, oh my god, I have
I like that. See what a good thing.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
I know.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
He gave us a good thing.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
I think we have a lot more to get to you.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Let's pink out because this is this part is almost done.
So let's go. Let's just go that. Grant and Juliana
they're done. Bench they bench it out.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
This is a big deal. I forgot about this.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah yeah, so Grant is like I didn't know that
Grant hadn't said he loves her before, and neither I'd forgotten,
but he tells us. He tells us that they both
say we haven't said we love each other. Yeah, so
he hasn't said it to her, but it's possibly because
she's been like I'm not ready to hear it. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
But he's like, I love you.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
And then she says, well, I have been like really
scared and I you know, I'm not really ready for
a relationship, but I love you, and it's really obvious
at this moment. I was like, Okay, well there's no
possible this can't go another way, Like we've already seen
(45:35):
him with Letia and he's not into it.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
He's not into it.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
That we're done, and now we have like another hour
and a half to go.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah more considering, like what a waste of everybody's I'm
still looking at who she follows on Instagram. She follows
Noah Khan, that musician I love. So she has a
good taste in music. That's something.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Okay, So Grant tells us he's like, you know, this
is his like parting words before we go back to
the studios. Grant is like, you know, ah, like we
said we love each other, and I'm like so excited,
and he just seems giddy. He's so happy, and he's like,
and this would be great if it was an exclusive thing.
(46:18):
But I'm in love with someone else. I mean, you
guys all know I'm not really, but like I have said,
I'm in love with somebody else. So like I'm like,
you know, having to decide between two people. And I
was just thinking, no, you're not in love with Latia,
but now you're trying to be. This is where I
was like, oh, this is just production. Like you need
(46:41):
to tell us. You need to fucking give us this
grant because we've got nothing, but we have no show,
So now you need to say you need to keep
reminding us that you're very much in love with Latia.
So I feel like he was just trying to be
a good bachelor. Yeah, yeah he was.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
He did. Okay, Okay, so that ends that.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
So before we go back and see you, let's break
because we have a part two that you're not gonna
want to miss. But before that, let's say hi to
our friends on Patreon. Let's do on ten dollars level.
Kathy Callman, Don Lee, Sarah Baker, oh, maybe we do
it as Letia, Jenny Harrison, Jane Mcamaron, Annie I wrote,
Shelley Glave, Kelly Glovier, Jerry Shaddon. My family will love you.
(47:28):
Yeah they will.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Jerry Singer.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
I want eighteen babies. I'm thirty one, So let's get
on it. Let's get going. Paul Paul Sullivan, you know
what it is. And Stephanie Rinkers Sidwell and you have
our Barnes, Kelly t Andrea Crawford and Dickie Frollicker. Yeah,
(47:51):
I fell asleep sorry.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Oh and e Shaan is giving his to the Lutheran
Services Dot okay, donate to your state chapter or the
national chapter, which is the Lutheran Services. They do a
lot of charity work. They give because a lot of
organizations are seeing their federal funding getting slashed. And Listenan's
(48:16):
done the research and this is where you want your
money to go.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
And by the way, when she says he's giving his,
this is if you want to use for only twenty
dollars a month, you can use it to shout out
your business, which is a pretty good deal really, because
we're giving you a lot of people are listening to
the show and or people choose charities, so Jon has
chosen charities and nonprofits and things which you guys can
do too if you're interested.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
But my friend Adam Lerner is a car broker and
he's offering a very good service. And if you're in California,
doesn't cost you a dime. He will save you money
and he's slashed his rate for using a car broker.
If you're in other states, he will save you money.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
You go, you try it.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
You try to find your lowest deal, and then you
call Adam or go to Adam's got acar dot com
and see if you can get you a better deal.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
I'll be using him, can I get Yeah, it sure.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Works out, but it works out. It works out. And
then also we got our how do you find Adam
Jada Adam got a Car dot com. And then Jamie
Val has spitfire Social if you want to elevate your business,
your small medium sized business. She's an expert at social
media marketing, so check her out at spitfiresocial dot com
and then tell us about Laura Stewart.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Our friend Laura Stewart has Aspire Aspire Counseling she and
other therapists that she works with.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
They specialize in trauma work.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
They do remote brain mapping, so they send you equipment
and you put it on your head and it's like
the coolest thing ever. They also, you know, have coaching services.
You do not have to live The website is Denver
Brainspotting dot com, but you do not have to live
in Denver or Colorado to use this work. So reach
out to her to find out, you know, what you
can put different things they offer because it's the coolest.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, and please keep in mind that we have been
churning out the content for you guys. We have part
two coming up of this Bachelor recap. We'll have a
great Patreon where we're going to talk about that after
the final Rose Oh yeah, we got a lot to say.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
If you're not on Rose Pricks Patreon right now.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
First of all, you can do it for five bucks
a month, and I know that's not nothing, but it
helps us a lot and you'll get a.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Lot of content.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Yeah, and we're going to post that today so you'll
have it early because the show already aired. And then
we're also finishing up Beverly Hills Housewives. We're going to
be covering the valley. Uh, and then yeah, maybe marsh
Island stuff and where we've been doing these Hollywood Mint
wrap ups Hollywood Minutes, where we're covering stories of the
(50:42):
week in pop culture with our own brand of like problematic,
you know, opinion.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Sometimes it's wonderful when it's a story like that, you know,
when we get we got we had a pretty good
one last week.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, but we have some fun with it. So listen
to those and uh yeah, don't miss anything. All right,
love you guys, See.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
You in five minutes for part two. Yeah right,
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