September 12, 2025 • 53 mins
Cecily and Stefanie (that's us) go deeeeep into the first episode of the Charlie Sheen documentary which we absolutely loved. We recap with side stories and factoids and, of course, our opinion. Please watch the documentary first because this is chock full of spoilers. And cocaine. And crack. But also spoilers.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Uh uh, Hello, everybody, we got did did did?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Did it?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Did it?
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Special Report?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Did It?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Now? Listen? It's me Cecily Nobler here with Stephanie Wilder Taylor.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello. And I was excited to intro this because I
texted Stephanie this morning and I was like, Charlie Shane
dropped today. Charlie Shane, we're both a little obsessed. One
of us is in love with her now. And yeah,
his two part Netflix documentary that we've been talking about
for a while. We did an entire another episode about it.
(00:53):
It dropped, and it was full of I mean, like
we do a lot of shows, we do recabs and
where we just talk about things, and it's sometimes a
chore if I'm honest to take notes. I was like,
every single there was not an there was not a
moment of fluff. Every single thing You're like, whah lah
no Hei do you flies ha? Like I it was
(01:14):
an honor to be honest to take notes on this documentary.
And I think Stephanie agrees.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, can I give a macro note, Yes, macro note
is that I don't really care that much about Charlie Sheen,
Like didn't going into this. I was like, I mean,
we all know that he committed acts of domestic violence.
A great guy, very bad addict, blah blah blah blah
(01:40):
blah blah, bad boy. But I came away and spoiler,
I did watch already both parts, so I know what happens,
but I just came away from it. I literally shed
a tear in the second half and I was like,
oh my god, I really like this guy. And what
(02:05):
you know, my one of my macronotes is something that
we covered when we were talking about why the fact
that this documentary was coming out and there was like
some shocking stuff in it, and yes, this happens in
the second half, but we've already talked about this on
Yes Patreon, is that the big expose is that he's
had sex with men. And I find it offensive, just
(02:28):
so offensive that he has to feel more embarrassed about
that that people are a crapyole, then being a crack addict,
then abusing several wives, then like not being in his
kids live. I mean, and I'm saying, and I forgive
him for those things. I think he's doing his best,
but I just think it's insane that that was the
thing he has to be the most embarrassed to talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
That is really a good point. An Arian.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Country that like that is more offensive to pe people,
not you.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh my god. I mean, I couldn't agree more. I
think it's it's crazy. You see it a lot. There's
and there's also in that world. It's upsetting that there's
there's people that are blackmailing people for it. There are
men that are doing that though, men are doing that
because they did you know, I believe they did it
to Tom. I think they did it to you know,
I don't I can't say for sure, but what the
fuck's going on there too? That's like fucking crazy.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
When you say Tom, you mean Tom Tom from MySpace?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Right. You know, it's funny you say Tom from MySpace
because I used to see him on Bumble all the
fucking time, and it says on the thing it really is.
It says it's his picture, and then there's other pictures
of him, not just the MySpace picture. But then it's like, yeah,
it really is me. I have four homes, I live
all these places, and I've swiped right every time because
I'm like, what if though, what if I got with
(03:51):
Tom from MySpace and he never swipes he's always swiped
no or he's never. I don't know. I mean he
it's whether it's him or not. I don't know, but
I just thought you should have that little information.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, you're like trying to be friends with every single
person on my space, but now.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Suddenly on one fucking date with someone your age, your
piece of shit, you're not that cute. I wouldn't have
swiped on you if you weren't Tom from my space.
And that's a fact. Oh, I guess I go, I
have to go and find an app. Then everybody goes
swipe on me ough, fuck off with your dumb four
homes And I swiped yes, yes, please, And then I'm
(04:29):
mad because you didn't say yes. I don't think it's tight,
but yes, I meant Tom Cruise when I said that yes,
And I'm not saying I'm not outing him. I don't
know for sure. I have no idea honestly, but like
if there was some any truth to it, like yeah,
people fuck with Like I don't like that, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well we do know for sure about John Travolta, and
yet like people are still so horrified, like what and
it's still like the worst thing you could say about him,
I know, which is just there's not a lot. I know,
it's crazy, like a lot of men are bisexual or
by curious. And imagine imagine if a whole documentary came
out about somebody and then it was like the earth
(05:11):
shattering news was that a woman about a woman slept
with another woman almost like it's strange.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, it's such a strange thing, like because people not
only do a lot of hetero men love it, it's
actually like so accepted really for the most priate. So
it's so weird to me, such a weird double standard.
It is a double standard, right, I mean, okay, before
I feel a little bit weird doing this episode about
(05:38):
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Speaker 2 (07:12):
Love this opening.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I was cooked immediately. John Cryer, this documentary is so
well done. By the way, it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It's exactly what a documentary should be, like kudos.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It reminds me a little bit of the Billy Joel.
Who did the Billy Joel one.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Better than the Billy Joel. I never know the names
of the documentarians. I feel bad about that, but I
never really take note of that. I feel bad about
my neck. Oh wait, that's Nora Ephron.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I don't know. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
The Billy Joel one, though, I.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Thought it was really well done. The way it was filmed,
and this was very high quality, and it was cool.
The way the things that they showed you, like the
behind the scenes sort of things, or when the producer
asked him a question, like I liked how they went
back and forth like that.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Holy shit, and the way they spliced in movies, and
like how showed the movies they were doing, and how
it like kind of lined up with the real lives
lined up get it lines. I'm sorry there's gonna be
a little bit of that. It's a lot coming at
to you. I mean I thought I was like, I'll
just take like really light notes. It's probably really short.
I did not know Part one was an hour and
(08:15):
a half. Yeah the movie. So yeah, okay, So John
Cryer looks visibly like he's been through it. Yeah he is.
I mean, didn't you just want to take him straight
to an Allan on meeting. I wanted to be like,
come with me, sir. I know things have been rough,
but you're here, You're safe, You're safe.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah. Poor John, he's like listen, and he's first on screen.
He's like, I was hesitant to participate because, let's just say,
Charlie Sheen is a pattern of just burning everything to
the ground, then he makes a big comeback, and then
he burns it all down again.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, that's got to be really hard for the people
that work with him, certainly for his family. We find
out very early on that Emilio Estevez and I'm not
getting ahead of it, just telling you, yeah, and Martin
Sheen did not want to take part in the documentary,
and that is telling us a lot, a lot, a
lot a lot like as charming as this motherfucker is,
and he is like, what a fucking nightmare, a continuous
(09:15):
loop of a nightmare, but also a charming person who's
a real human who were gonna, you know, give grace
to to some degree, but like, you don't sit down,
you don't have John Cryer be the first person, and
like it looks like he's in the witness protection program.
He's like terrified.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, I'm wondering if this is the longest stint of
sobriety he's had, because I was watching this documentary also
from a recovery standpoint, and he said a lot of
things unlike Jack's from the Valley and Vander Pump Charlie Sheen,
you can tell actually actively works on his recovery. And
(09:53):
I'll get to things that he said that I'm like, oh,
that's a person who works with somebody who's actually takes
accountability and not in a disingenuous like yep, I mean,
I know I took responsibility, but in a living amends,
like trying to do the right thing. And yeah, it's
interesting because you know, like, yes, he's it's also part charm,
(10:16):
but I just wonder if he's just like, look, you know,
I get it. I loved how he was about his
dad and his brother, how he's like, I get it,
I get why they don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, I respect it. Yeah, but I have a feeling. Yeah,
go ahead, Sorry, he.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Sort of refers to the documentary as kind of like
a love letter to his dad. It was sweet.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I liked that too. I read total bullshit. I read
through it. I think he means it in the moment.
I think he means at the moment. But the fact
that his dad and brother didn't want to do it
just tells me so much.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
They're tired.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
They're tired.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Emilio is a little different because they've always had a
bit of a rivalry, and Emilio seems a little dickish
if you ask me, But the dad has just been
through it, and I just like, what does that say?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I don't know. It just tells me more information. But
it doesn't make Charlie any less interesting charming, and I
can see how anybody would be pulled in, And I think,
you know, and I think both of those things can
be true at the same time.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I can be working on himself. I think he and
I don't want to just diagnose people, but I do
think Charlie Sheen is bipolar. I think it's pretty obviously
possibly polar and he might be medicated now, so that
might count for some of the stability. He just seems
very smart and thought listen, do you know how I
(11:41):
can get a hold of him? Is there any.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Actually could I actually do? And I'm not going to
tell the story again because I've told it fifteen times,
but yes, I was supposed to go to a floor
seat Lakers game with Charlie Sheen and I turned it
fucking down.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
When he was a baseball game. It was a basketball game.
Oh that that does make the story worse on your part.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I now like they were just gonna pick me up
in a fucking town car. We were gonna go and
it was like floor seats, like next to like Nicholson.
I mean, I have no there's a lot. I've made
some choices, but it wasn't meant to be it was,
But I really could probably get a hold of him.
He's two phone calls away.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well let's let's get into this.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
We go, we take we'll go all the way back.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
We go in the way back machine, back to nineteen
ninety five, where he's on a honeymoon with a model
named Donna.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Do you remember, Yeah, Oh, I've never heard of Donna.
They met on the set when he was doing a
commercial in Japan, so it was just somebody he just
picked up along the way he was bugging the shit
out of her. They were on a flight and he
got really wasted, went into the cockpit. They all were
charmed by him, and he's like, can I fly this place?
He's like can I wear your captain outfit? And they're like, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Sir, absolutely they're French. They're like, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
They're French. I think he was doing a French accent,
but then he was saying he was going to Japan,
I thought, and I think he just got the accent wrong,
because it's very confused by that, because at first he
was doing sort of a sort of a semi Asian
thing and then it turned into Fenthi. I really didn't. Yeah,
he just got he got confused by his own story.
I believe the story, but I think he just could.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And did you know or was it a learning thing
for you that when they ask if George is flying
the plane, that means they're on autopilot?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I mean, so says Charlie, you know what I mean,
Like probably it's probably out there now because he said that,
but like maybe, but I believe that story. And he's like,
oh my god, I have all these people, including my
really mad wife behind me forty feet behind me. Yes,
and I could just have their lives. And then they're like, yeah,
maybe not a great idea.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Then they turn off the door.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, and then he's not flying the plane anymore. A metaphor. Totally,
a beautiful, beautiful way to start because it's such a
great metaphor for his life.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It's a great story. I was hooked immediate.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Every story was great. He has such a good memory
for his life for being so fucked up, no kind
of insane. So the documentarian asks him how long he's
been sober, and he says he is in his seventh year, so.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
He has over six years of sobriety, which is a
good amount of time.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Do we know exactly what he means by sobriety? Does
he mean full sobriety? We don't.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, now I can tell he means full sobriety because
he was. He talks about it later. He talks about
it later. It might be in part two where he
talks about people who like do other stuff like still
drink when they when they quit drugs. No, he's sober, sober.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Interesting, okay, so then, and I believe me he seems it.
He seems it in this. You know, he's still an addict.
You can see like he's got that thing. But yeah, no,
he does seem.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So this is he's definitely does twelve steps because this
is a programmy thing, he says. He says, uh, at
the end of my drinking, he says, it was like
I was doing all the drugs and it was like
first it was like partying, then it was partying with problems,
and then it was just problems. This is very twelve
steps step speak, not in a CULTI way, just in
the thing that sort of like short shorthand for things.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
That's very interesting and I like, I like hearing. That's
good to know. I do think I do want to
say another macro real quick. Yeah, I love his stories
because he's such a fucking name dropper, but like that's
all he's ever known, but everything's a name drop. And
in a way to me, it almost felt like blaming
is like, well, you got Nick Cage and he's he's crazy.
You got Sean Penn, you got you know in HEII
(15:37):
through Heidi so fast under the butt. I know it
wasn't really his fault, because we'll get to that, but
he really for a long time didn't take a whole
lot of his own accountability. It was just sort of
in this crazy I'm going to this party in Nick
Cage and so he's got oh and I gotta go
get the coke. Yeah, if I'm Nick Cage, I don't
know if I love it. Sean Penn put up with it,
(15:58):
obviously because she showed up for the documentary. He does
not seem well, but that's a different conversation. The Cage
is pretty crazy, for sure, but he can't love it.
But maybe he doesn't care. Actually, maybe he doesn't give
a shit. He strikes me as someone who's like, whatever,
I have a Dracula castle. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And also Charlie Sheen was kind of holding him up. Yes,
he was outing him for all that, but we all
know how much drug use he does. He was kind
of saying that he loved Nick Cage and they were
like besties.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, they were all. So when we go back to
sort of their childhood, so he's got Emilio as a brother,
another brother Ramon, and a sister Renee, and you know,
they lived in Malibu. Dad was famous, but nothing to
not super Beverly Hills. They wanted to have more. It
seems like kind of a more hippie life, la life. Yeah,
so they were watching their dad in Apocalypse. Now. I
(16:49):
didn't know Martin Sheen had a problem, did you. I
know I didn't.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
But also don't forget that we the first thing we
find out is that he was born not breathing.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Oh yeah, they thought he was still born. Yeah, and
the crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
They were, they really thought he died. And then the
doctor he says, beat him back to life, and he wonders,
like I wonder too, if he could have like some
brain damage from that.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah. I mean, I'm sure he doesn't mean like beat
like through him against a wall, but like slap, you know,
they slap them until Yeah, but yeah, you're right, although
I guess if yeah, if the umbilical cord was wrapped,
there's an oxygen issue, so maybe there was some brain damage.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
It's possible.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Maybe. Well so he and his let's see. So there
I just wrote drunk Dad.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
So when he's six, they're like making movies with the neighbors. Yeah,
and there re too, totally.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
We did play. I did plays. I was directing a
lot of plays at age six in Waco, Texas.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I was not crazed too. I had these books that
had like books of quick plays, like a couple of
minute plays, and I was forever like doing casting and
getting all my neighbors involved.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah name, and I would make dogs be in them,
and I would line neighborhood dogs up. There's pictures of
like different dogs lined up to be also in plays.
I love it, well, So I mean sure, Ah.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
So we talk a lot about his dad, like he
was shooting Apocalypse Now and being like pretty out of it,
and he brings his kids over for some of the shooting.
And I guess there was this one day that he
talks about that I thought was kind of crazy where
he knew his dad was really out of it. And
it was when he was shooting that sequence in Apocalypse Now.
(18:36):
I don't know if it's at the beginning where he's
in the hotel room. He's just really like.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Fucked up and he really was fucked up. Yeah, And
that was a really interesting story. And I also want
to know because this is probably when they said that
Emilio and Martin said no to the documentary, And I
just want to point out Emilio said yes to Andrew
Andrew McCarthy's Stupid Saint Elmo's fire Rat pack documentary, he said,
(19:01):
he reluctantly said yes to that, but wouldn't be in
Charlie's Yes. Remember how Jlio didn't want to even do
that though you could tell he was. At the very end,
and Andrew was like, I don't know if he's going
to answer the door. No, he almost didn't, dude, and
probably shouldn't have. Remember how bad that documentary was. No
good Well, Andrew made it himself, and that was part
of the problem. He had no one to bring him in.
(19:22):
I mean, it was fun to see Demi Moore. I
enjoyed that part of it, but remember how they were all.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
What I liked about this one is these people, Charlie
Sheen's friends seemed to genuinely care for him, whereas Andrew
McCarthy's front. You could tell that people that were in
it were just like this fucking guy.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
The women were really nice. I felt like Demi Moore
was so she's very philosophical and really was trying to
She was kind of big sistering him a little like, no,
let's you know, it did really good things for us.
Let's not be so bitter, you know, Like she really tried,
and I feel like they did. But you could tell.
Amelio definitely was like annoy my fucking kitchen. He was,
(19:59):
so I know everybody talked about that. Yeah, so he's
got whatever he's got. But okay, so we've hid out.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
He hangs out with Amelia Estevez, Sean Penn, George Clooney.
They make these films, and then we also find out
that they're smoking a lot of pot.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Back then, right, a lot of pot in high school there,
but before high school, maybe even middle school, I think, yeah,
probably then this is.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Very recovery speak. He really He talks about his first drink,
which was a Mickey's big Mouth Yeah, and he's like, yeah.
He talks about how the first time it went really
badly drinking. You know, he just he got so drunk,
and then he goes, but you know, I just kept
doing it. I just kept doing trying to make it work. Yeah,
(20:44):
it's like somebody else would. Also, he mentions his friend,
which is going to come up a few times, like
his loyal best friend, Tony Todd, who is this really
funny guy that he went to like school with, and
he's he makes a note that this guy's stud stuck
with him. Not that we're putting down people that didn't
stick because I probably wouldn't have I don't think at all.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
But this guy is sort of like, yeah, I don't
know about all that, but I love the guy. But
he's like a big square.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yes, but he was kind of strange too, because like
what did he get out of it?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
He's like basically abused and he goes, well, he needed
a black friend.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, but he made it was that was funny. I
know it's funny. He's funny. Yeah, also learning the soundbites
from Ramon. But the other brother who's so.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Cute, they're all cute. That is a good looking family, right,
I mean, holy shit. And so yeah, he said, well,
Emilio kind of inspired Charlie to like do better. Emilio
was starting to hit Charlie. You know, they kind of
they weren't like a friendly competition, which I guess didn't
really become so friendly in the end because Melio wanted
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nothing to do with all that shit.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, I guess so, but he was like brat pack.
So I don't know how Emilio thinks he's better than everybody.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Well, I think he was wasn't doing a bunch of drum.
I think he was like the one who he's in
the family. Charlie would be the black sheep. Me Rya
was the gooden child. And you know, even if we
look at it from the outside and go ooh, you know,
like as the person who was that in my family,
you have resentments for the black sheep. We're so all
supposed to feel sorry for them, but you're like, they're
(22:19):
the ones who took all the attention. They took the
negative attention while I was out here trying not me,
but the person is out there trying to like do
everything perfectly and it's exhausting, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
So Charlie was like not doing well in school relatable right,
had like a one point three gpa, which I have
like a two point three. I was watching this kind
of competing for like, I was kind of like him
a little bit. But then he's like, all right, he
drops out of school and then he tells his parents like, hey,
(22:50):
let me try the acting thing, which.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I was like, why is he to beg his parents?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Sally was already doing it, like.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And also look at him, look at him like he
was look at that. I mean, even then when he
was so young auditioning, he was like why God, I mean,
where does that even come from? Who made who chiseled that?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah? I wonder, I just I wonder a little bit
if like it was hard for him that Amelio got
all the good attention like that Amelio maybe he thought
that Amelia is his dad's favorite because he was following
in his footsteps, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, it was an interesting Yeah, I'm sure he did.
There was definitely a competitive thing. Meanwhile, Ramon's like, hey, guys, yeah,
what's up.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, and Renee we didn't even I don't know if
she even showed up.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
It's funny too that so the dad, so Martin, she
wants them to have the name of Stevez to like
respect their background. And Charlie's like, yeah, yeah, cool cool.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But then we say that differently. I don't know if
I say now, it's not no, it's it's Estevas. But
when we say Amelioz, we've always said Estevez I have Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
He pronounced it, and he pronounced the name, and I
was like, oh, okay, it's a.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Stuffy interesting So we've all been saying it wrong this
whole time, and Emilio never said anything. He's like, hey, guys,
that's weird.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I just got used to it. He's probably like whatever,
you can say it either way, right, I'm sure there
isn't a known way to say it. But what's interesting
is that Charlie's like, let.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Me try the acting thing.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Guys, come on, come on, come on, I'm gonna get
and if it doesn't work, I'll get my ged I'll
go to film school. Maybe I'll even learn to be
an editor. And they're like okay, and he's like, okay,
one more thing. I think, like, you know, I think
I should change my last name to Sheen. No reason,
not because it'll be easier to get in the business
because my dad's a movie start. Just because like it
(24:45):
just sounds cool, that's all.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And it did. It did sound cool. It surely wanted
to differentiate himself from Amelio, and it did. But you know,
you know that Amelio was annoyed by that. You know,
he was like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Like dad wanted us to have the last name Estevez
or Estevez and now you're gonna be Sheen. What why
why do you get to be Sheen? You know that?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, it's like I got to say, back to Nick Cage,
he made that choice too, Like he's a Coppola. His
last name is Copola. That's his uncle, I think his dad.
And he's like, it's uncle, and he's like, yeah, I'm
gonna be cage. He made it harder on himself. Yeah,
he's like, watch me become a movie star without it.
But yet you also had it though you might not
(25:33):
have had.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
The name, but they knew exactly who you were when
you walked into an audition, right, See difference, But it's
still pretty cool. But Charlie Sheen was trying to make
things easier for himself, which I respect that.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
He's like, look, why would I not.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Take a shortcut? Come on, guys. Yeah, so this so
he gets cast, this was interesting. So he took some
shitty role that he was going to have it to yeah,
Grizzly too. And then he finds out that he got
the part the lead and karate Kid, and his dad
is like, ah ah, buddy, you gave your word. You're
(26:06):
gonna go get eaten by a grizzly bear. I mean,
let's think about that, wol that. I mean, he would
have done a great job as Karate Kid. I'm glad
that Ralph Macchio got his his due. I think because
Ralph Machio is just like such a good dude. Yeah,
like he got he got it was it all happened
the way it was supposed to. Who knows what butterfly effect.
He might not even be in earth anymore if he'd
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gotten he'd taken that job exactly. He did us all
all over. Yeah, Like, okay, but I think Charlie Sheen
is what the thing that we learn is that he's
pretty undeniable, Like it doesn't matter if he got the
biggest part.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
He's gonna he was.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
He was going to succeed this kid.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
So then the Jennifer Gray story, do you want to
tell us?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I love the Jennifer Gray story. Now that's who I
relate to. Ah, I've always related to the character in
Ferris Bueller, which I wrote about recently, where it's like
she's the hero. She one has to put up with
everything and mix sture a's while everybody else gets to
do whatever the fuck they want. Yeah, she's gotta have
to she's got to put on the coul lots. You know,
I fucking love her. So I guess they were friends.
(27:09):
Now this makes sense. I thought about him, like why
did they even know each other? Well, because her dad
is Jewel Gray, So you've got Martin Sheen, the Coppola's.
They all live in Malibu together. That's how she knows him.
So yeah, So she gets this job and John Hughes's
Paris Bueler's day off and she's like, hey, you'd be
the once one or two scenes you're the you're the
bad guy and you're perfect. Yeah, you're you're the bad
(27:29):
boy and you're you're it and I love this story.
So she's like, you get on down here and you're
gonna come audition. He gets the sides. I'm just gonna
skip to where he goes because it's so funny. He
gets out of the He's the way he tells it.
He gets out of the car or whatever, and John
Hughes is like, great, awesome, see you next week. He's like,
why I didn't even have to fucking audition? Yes, just
on a look, which good call. If that's true, I
(27:51):
totally believe it because John Hughes fucking rocked YEP in
that way you knew exactly what's exactly who to cast.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
So then there's this this thing where he goes to
do The War of the Stars, which did this because stars.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
It was. Yeah, it was this thing they were doing
with Michael Jordan where it was like they he said,
Martin Jean's his dad's publicist basically got them in. But
they were gonna shoot hoops and have a little contest
with Michael Jordan. So it was him against those two.
Why don't wear Amelia? Why was Emilio not in that
he was? Oh? I thought he wasn't. No, he was.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I think he was.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh, maybe what he had to have been that doesn't
make sense. Yeah, yes, they just didn't show him much
because Charlie makes the thing and they show him like
dancing off, you know. But that's the night before he's shooting,
and they have this blast and they beat you know,
quote unquote beat Michael Jordan. I'm sure he let that happen.
It was really cute. And then he's like, well, I'm
(28:49):
gonna just method act this because I'm supposed to be
a real fucked up drug addict at the jail, So
I'm just not going to go to sleep right or
I'll sleep for one hour. He misses it. He gets there.
Now I have to say that I call bullshit on
something he says he's supposed to be on set at
six am. He gets there somehow at seven thirty and
they're like, and Jennifer Gray yells at him, I don't
know that you'd even notice that early. I don't know that, Like,
(29:11):
I mean, it's he's awe, he's late. But it was like,
you know how it's on a set, it's very hurry
up and wait. So they weren't. It's not like they
were going to shoot at six am.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Well yeah, but if you're Jennifer Gray and you put
yourself out to get your friend a role and then
he can't be there on time, i'd be pissed.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, but I like that, and I don't. Yeah, she's
not in the documentary, is she? She said no too.
I guess because I guarantee they asked everybody, anybody they could.
I'm sure they asked. Yeah, Yeah, she was a no
on that. So then he.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Does his scene, he does his Ferris Bueller's scene, and
it kind of starts off his career because different reviewers
are just like, this was a great movie, but let's
not let's not sleep on this guy.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Charlie, She old Elders, Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So next thing that happens is that the movie Platoon.
Amelia is supposed to star in Platoon and Charlie Sheen
has auditioned for it, but he says he kind of
fucked up, and Amelia is supposed to be the star
of it, but then things go wrong with the production
and they have to kind of start over, and Oliver
Stone is like, you know what, I want you to
(30:21):
re audition. Okay, I want you to be the star
of it. Now, let's imagine your Amelia. You'd be like,
are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
What sucks? Yeah? I'd be pissed and it's not nice.
And the way he smirks, he's like, you're smirking. You
have a smirk on your face. And he's like, basically,
Charlie's like, well that's show biz is the way it goes. Yep.
He's a dig Yeah, he's a dick about it, but
he was great in the Movie's.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Great and this starts off his career. And while he's there,
Oliver Stone is like, listen, I'm right in a contract
on a napkin. I want you to be in Wall Street.
And he's like, oh, okay, what's it about? And he goes,
you know Street, and he's like, cool, cool.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
All right, I'm in it, by the way, and you
know Oliver Stone and this is not not telling telling
tales at a school like major coke addict. I think
he's sober now, but throughout all of this he was
one of the most wild, crazy directors that you could have.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Oh yeah, So if you look at like, like you know,
the people that he's around all the time, you know,
he's really like kind of impossible. I'm not saying that
they're to blame, but they're all connected. So like, of
course he's going to do well, of course, and he's
gonna sell tickets because look at him.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yeah. So he does the Platoon does amazingly well, obviously,
an Oscar with his best picture, and Wall Street does
really well, and now he's a movie star. Right then
he meets Nicholas Cage and they have gone to do
a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Of drugs, and when he meets them, they go to
this party and you'll see, I mean, I guess I
don't have to tell you everything. Are we spoiling? Should
we say spoilers? Oh? I mean we're kind of really
do Hopefully people have already seen this, like, don't if
you're not like go watch. It is really funny when
he sees he doesn't know who Niggy well, I guess
he doesn't know him very well. But he sees Nick
(32:13):
trying to talk into some woman and he's like, you
like my watch? You like my watch? You like my watch? Yeah?
I like this guy. Then he goes.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
The thing I loved about Nicholas Cage is he didn't
care what anybody thought, well except about his watch.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, that was weird. It was so weird. Even Sean
Penn is like at this side. Because Sean Penn, they
keep popping him back in. I saw him recently, By
the way, I saw Sean Penn at a premiere about
a year ago, and I thought it was an old
I thought it was Dustin Hoffman. But I was like
said to my friend, like, boy has Dustin Hoffman aged? Oh?
(32:46):
Not only did I think it was Dustin Hoffman because
I have you know, I don't know how tall anybody is, obviously,
but Shanpan's not that tall. But I was like, I
thought it was an older Dustin Hoffman. That's hilarious. Yeah
for real, Like I don't know, and he seemed fucked
up to me? Did he not am I just probably.
I mean, I have no idea. He could just be
(33:07):
like as we all get older. But he seemed I
don't know, there's a point where he like, remember, it
looked like he was putting, he was lining up coke.
He wasn't. He was like trying to show what that
looked like. Yeah, never forget that Sean pen held a
knife to Madonna's throat and she had to escape and
go to the cops.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Oh no, none of these.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Stories are great. I mean a lot of this Charlie
Sheen stuff is like pretty god awful.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Oh, because Nick Cage is the best of them. I
don't think he's needy. Only he hasn't done that, right,
I'm sure he's done some stuff I think. I don't know.
I want there to be a hero, and I wanted
to be Nick Cage.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
But there's this story where they're on a flight and
they're really high and drunk. They're really both of them
are really drunk, Nicholas Cage and Charlie.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
She Oh that's when they go to San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yes, and he gets Nicholas Cage gets on the loud
speaker and just goes, this is the captain.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I'm not feeling well, I don't think I can lay
on the plane like it made me laugh out loud,
and Nick tells the story later on like a talk show,
so they show him telling the story. But yeah, and
then they get arrested like the FCC or what is
it who shows.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Cops or are at the door, and but they're like
fans of them, so they let him go and he's like,
good thing, because I had like cocaine taped.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
To my leg. Yeah. But see he says a couple
of times how how he never had consequence, He never
like seemed to get a bottom because he get bailed
out every single time because he's Charlie Gan, which John
Cryer drives him fucking crazy. Yeah. Did they go back
to John Fryer in a moment and he's like, yeah,
I mean I like he's shaking, he's shaking. He's like
I want to like him. But then like, you know,
(34:39):
he shot Kelly Preston. I'm like, yeah, but I mean,
what was that?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
And then Kelly Preston goes like no, no, no, that's
not really exactly what happened.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
But they never tell the story. No, she's closed, she's
she's actually being really funny. They're like, the news outlets
are at her front door and like, just come on,
come on, Kelly, just tell us, like he shot you,
Like what up? And she's like, no, no, no good,
it was an accident. She's adorable. She's not alive anymore.
I'll rest so then it's time for an intervention. And
(35:08):
I thought this was funny that they're like, hey, we're going.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
To celebrate dad's birthday a little earlier on the day.
And he's like, oh okay, and he's like, what should
I get him? And they're like, oh, you know Dad.
You know Marty Sheen, He's got everything. Don't get him
anything always.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
And I just know they said, don't get him anything,
he'll he'll just give it away. It's funny. And it's
like it's nine am. Okay, it's a nine am birthday party.
Sure jumps in his thing. He gets to the house
and his mom comes out. She's like, hey, honey, just
want to say you're not armed, right, She's like, what
kind of fuck question is that? No, maybe I have
a gun in the trunk, but I'm not armed. I
mean it's not with me, Like cool, cool, cool, cool,
(35:47):
cool cool cool. So it goes in and the way
they said. I knew it was an intervention as soon
as they said it was nine am. Yeah, it was
like a Malaney story. I love that.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
It was really funny. It was a good story. And
then he does go to rehab. But when he gets
to rehab, he forgets. He's like, oh shoot, such bad
timing because I was supposed to go judge a Hawaiian
Tropics bikini contest with Paul Cage.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, they're already all so famous at this point. I
have to give Nick Cage this, like, if you're gonna
just do it, do it. I mean, you know what
I mean, Like, who gives a fun Now I'm turning around, like,
don't hurt anybody, but like, let's have fuck. I want
to try crack.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Come on just once.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Oh yeah. So before he goes to rehab though he
doesn't want to go, but Clint Eastwood another name drop,
He's like, so Clint, you know, Clint's on the phone. Yeah,
you know, Clint's on the phone. He's like, you should
go to rehab.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Son.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
He's like, all right, okay, poor Martin. Martin Sheen is like,
fuck this shit. Yes, all it takes is Clint Eastwood
for no reason to call it. Why is he on
the phone.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
So then when he's at rehab and he needs to leave,
he tells this nice lady who works there. He's like, listen,
I'm gonna run to Palm Springs like real quick. I'm
gonna go judge this bikini contest and then I'm going
to be back like by the morning. And if i
am not back first thing in the morning, I'm paying
you a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
So she's like okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah, and then he comes back.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
She probably sad about that. She's like, that's what he says.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
He goes, well, she seemed like she was kind of
the way he describes it.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
He goes, she seemed like she was kind of.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Like, well, good for you for I guess being a
man of your word, but I could have used the
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
The way he keeps calling everyone gal, He's like this
black gal, and she meant business and I mean the
way he describes it that you can totally picture it.
And she's like fuck okay. So yeah, he goes.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
He comes back and while he's in rehab, though, they
send him a script for hot shops. While he is
in rehab, they're right, Hey, we got a movie for you,
and he's like, I can't.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, he said, yeah exactly, yes, it's crazy. So okay,
So now he goes to.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Nick's castle when he gets back and he's sober for
a while, like a year.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Actually, yeah, that was so sad, he really, yeah, And
it makes me sad that Nick. I'm not saying it's
somebody else's fault when you break your sobriety, but like
maybe I don't know. I don't know. I don't know
what to think of that. It's not Nick's fault, it
really isn't. It's you're You're in charge of your own body.
You know what, you're where you're going. And it's not
like Nick is not going to have a beer in
(38:20):
his fridge because like his sober friend's coming over. But
I don't know something somehow, like why was he even
staying there?
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I don't like, might sleep over.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
They or they had gone to a party, and he's like,
come rest and then Nick passed out. I don't know,
so that yeah, the beer was in the fridge, and
he was like, well, it's my sober birthday, Happy birthday, yes, And.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
He celebrates his birthday with a beer, and then he's
off to the races. Then they go to this bar
called on the Rocks, which I've been to many times.
On Top of the Rock, I've been to the Roxy,
but I've never been to that bar. I used to
go there because you got to remember I moved to
la in like nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah, did you see Charlie?
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Never saw him as far as I know. But so
he's talking to all these there's all these hot girls
at this bar and he's talking to them and he's like,
do you guys want to like come party?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (39:12):
And he's like and they're there with this woman who's
a little bit older, like kind of like big sister,
like mom.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Enery like chaperoning kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah. And then he's like, oh, I get it. You
guys are call girls and that's your madam, didn't you.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I loved. I loved. I was like, oh, I literally
was like, OMG, it's fucking Heidi. The way they tell
the story is exciting, even if you see it coming
like and he's like, well, you know it's not I
don't have any judgment. I lost my virginity on my
dad's credit card to a call girl at fifteen which
also tells you a lot. That's a that's a little
bit like he probably wouldn't call that trauma. I guess
(39:48):
most guys wouldn't, and maybe it's not, but it's also like, wow,
that is what shaped your mind.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
And then I'm like weirdly on Heidi Flie's side.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Because she's one hundred She's one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, so fucked up and out of it with her
all her birds.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Uh, I've been talking about these birds forever. Nobody listens
to me about these birds because they did a whole thing.
She was on Celebrity Celebrity Rehab. Yeah, I watched that
whole that whole.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Season of it where she's Tom what's the guy's name
that she has died?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I think right? And he ended up. I think he did.
I can't think of his last name, but yeah, they
had a very abusive, yes, physically abusive relationship and that
was crazy. But she's she's nuts, but she owns like
she just lives in the crazy and she's.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Like, listen, yeah, whatever, it was consensual sex with like
grown ups. She's like, I wasn't Julaane Maxwell, I wasn't
going to buy like like trying to get girls from
junior highs.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Well wait, she goes, so whatever, these cumbuckets were making nothing,
and then she says that and they leave it, and
she goes, these cumbuckets, I get them one hundred ground yes, yes,
what she calls them. She didn't have like a respect
then about him, about Sheen, because he fucked her over.
She's like that cry baby pussy bitch. Now, these are
words that we don't use in everyday life. But like,
(41:10):
I loved it. You were mad, yes, but also her
fault because he's like, yeah, you know, I mean it
was Ken Sholey as it should be. In like one day,
I didn't any cashual, like you take your travelers check.
She's like, yeah, sure, yeah, that's what you say.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
That's mom.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I love that we have like changed our entire like
who we are. Like I'm going to start a madam business.
I would never not even venmo. I do kind of.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Feel like it's a little different than what Julayne Maxwell
was doing. It was like these were high paid, they won,
they approached her, they were yes or not in the
best place.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Anybody that does this, I agree, it's not the same
as Jeffrey Epstein, but these people are not like, you know, yes,
they made grown up decisions. I guess they're probably eight
they're at least eighteen, we'll say that. But a lot
of them are pretty and not doing well if that's
the choice that they've made. And Heidi doesn't give a
fuck in the fact as clearly she doesn't give a
fuck about these people.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
No, so the press is only interested in the Charlie
Sheen of it all. Yeah, She's like, yeah, I you know,
I get in trouble. They're all interested in Charlie Sheen,
not the like Saudi Prince that they've never heard of,
which I did think was interesting.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
So she throws him and someone who says who says,
She's not gonna say, but I guess those names got released.
But she also she's like, anybody you can think of
that you think uses it used it. So my mind
is going everywhere. It's like Mooney, Well, obviously Nick Cage,
else well, Bill Clinton, obviously he used the Heidi flies.
I don't know. I'm assuming he's more of an Epstein guy.
(42:47):
JK J K Hondy, p JK Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
So now so, so now she goes to jail, and
then his he says basically that he just kind of
goes off the rails. He starts doing a lot of drugs.
It gets real bad. He starts taking movies just for
drug money. He shoots a movie in Canada. This is
where he goes. He was so fucked up in the
(43:13):
scene that he could not stay awake, and the director
was like, dude, like, you're falling asleep, and he goes,
all right, here's what I want you to do, right,
get me a get me a drink, like with a
lot of ice. And then he goes in now and
he goes in the bathroom and he shoves an ice
cube up his ass.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
But it seemed to work.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Because he got to see the scene and he was like, good.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah, yeah, you know, but I looked at it, actually
rewound it and watched it again. He's high as fuck.
He's so coked out in that scene. Oh yeah, he's
talking so fast and his eyes are all like he's
I don't know that he's great. How much did he
look to you? Like a hot version of rom Livingstone?
Though a little bit sometimes when he was real like
sucked up though, yes, yeah, one eye is going down,
(43:57):
you know, yep.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Okay, So now there's this thing where he's he's dating
this girl, and we find out that also see Thomas
Howell is dating surprising.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Don't forget See Thomas Hell was soul man. He put
on black face. I believe that was see Thomas Hall. Oh,
not his fault, to be fair, like, I don't know
if you know back then, when you're like that young
that maybe in retrospect you probably shouldn't put on black face.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, he's people. He didn't write it, okay. So she
calls him from this house. So she's in some house
in Woodland Hills, which is not far from me, and
she's like, I've got bad vibes. I gotta get out
of her. So Charlie Sheen goes over to the house
and the guy is like, no, fuck no, she's not
going anywhere. She owes me money and then Charlie Sheen
(44:48):
goes out to his car, comes back with a gun. Yeah,
takes the girl back to his house, where she falls
asleep on his couch even though they're dating. The next day,
she pulls out a pipe and takes a big hit
and I wrote because I was and I was wrong.
I'm like oh and oh, And he says like she
(45:08):
takes this big poll and then she like lays back
and she's in like a dream light like state, and
weren't you like, oh, so she's doing Heroin. Then it
turns out it's crack.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, and then I'm kind of crying, am it? Yeah? Cracks.
Never I've never thought of crack as relaxing. I bet
it was something else. I bet it was like a
mix of something else. Who knows. But by the way,
we missed a lot there was. I mean, it doesn't
really matter. I can't go back all but I can't
really read my I mean, all this happened because wait,
didn't Charlie Sheen hold on? I mean hold on, I
(45:40):
mean Martin Sheen, let me let me read how I
this hold on? Oh yeah, okay, back to the Heidi
Flies thing. He was like, yeah, I feel kind of bad,
but I mean they also they're like, we're getting her
on tax evasion. I was like, that's on her. She
should have paid her. And by the way, he only
got a four hundred. She went went to fucking jail
and he got a four hundred dollars. Fine. I mean,
this guy cannot like lose. He can't lose for losing, right, No,
(46:05):
he can't believe. That's when Martin Sheen was like giving
notes to the press too. We kind of missed where
he was like, yeah, he's fucked up, arrest him. Yeah,
you know, well that I guess that happens in a second.
He also had done that movie that you were talking
about with Chris Tucker. I think, right, it was a
different thing, but Chris Tucker. When Chris Tucker looks like
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the Voice of Reason and a documentary, you're like, whoa.
And Brett Ratner too, also a known coke guy.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
All these guys, well that part and maybe I missed it,
but that he's supposed to be kind of sober during
that part or yes he has been. And then Chris
Tucker is like, yeah, I don't know, like he started
coming into like skipping days of work, like not showing
up for rehearsals. And then he's like, but I mean
kind of.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
And that's when he had the cocaine. That's when the
when the ice thing was shoved up his ass. Then
they show Sean Pan a couple times too, where I
was I literally wrote, is he doing coke? To us?
What that looked like? That seemed weird to me?
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Right, And He's like, I'm he goes, guys, I want
to be method for this documentary.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I'm sure he did, and let let's bring Ma Donna in.
She's like, no, thanks. He also, this is a very
important part because Sean Penn says, you know a lot
of people do copious amounts of cocaine and it makes
you have extreme sexual fantasies. But the thing basically saying
is like, but you can't perform unless you're Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Good thing about coke is that, yeah, you're gonna want
to do all these things, but you can't. But Charlie
somehow could.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
So then then we go into this crack house lady
who seems like she was no good. Right, I don't
need to sound like a prude.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
This is a big theme with Charlie Sheen, that there's
something like different about him. He's like a magical creature, yes,
and that he can just do so and you got
to think about it.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
He it is crazy that he's still alive.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
I know, with the amount of ods he had and
the amount of drugs he was doing, it's insane that
he's still with us.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
So he describes getting a crack b Jay which he's like,
well there, And that's another thing though, where he I
appreciate that he describes that. I remember like reading what
was the book What was the thing about the alf
writer for a min at midnight? Do you remember that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah, yeah, Jerry yeh yeh.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Jerry Stall Yeah. And Ben Stiller played him for some
reason the movie, which was weird, but like I appreciated
him being yeah, but he got so like specific with
how Heroin made him feel, how he'd leave his kids
crying at a crackhouse because it was that's how strong
the drug was. And I actually appreciate those stories to
(48:36):
be able to describe to us what that feels like.
So I appreciate that Charlie was telling us, but also
at the same time, it felt again like he's, well,
I mean, you've never had a blowjob on crack. I
mean he'd had so many chances already. And then he's like, well,
then it was off to the races with crack. Yeah,
But I mean I get it. Although I think he
did a good thing, then happened for a second because
(48:58):
that's when, uh, I think that's when he gets arrested.
That's when, Oh yeah, that's when.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yet first, first, after he does that and that girl
dies by the way, yeah, then he starts. Then he
moves to shooting up cocaine. Well that's what a speedball is. Yeah,
I didn't know that. I didn't know what he was
talking about. Okay, and that's when that's when his dad
has him arrested.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
That's right, and his dad is like, very tough love.
I love Martin Sheet for that. That is why Charlie's
alive again. Emilio is probably like fuck you all. Yeah,
I mean maybe I don't know how he feels. Ramon
definitely is like I don't care. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
So basically, uh, somebody says I can't read my writing
because I was speaking to my phone. Somebody, Oh Slash
his house.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Oh yeah. He goes to Slash.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yeah, and Slash is like, I don't know if I've
seen anybody in this bad of shape.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah. He's like, you got to get help. And he's like,
if Slash another name drap, but he's like, if Slash
can it says it, I guess I'll go. Yeah. But
he has a release. So they finally get him in
this place and it's legit and they're d They detox
him and then on. He says, like, after they start
detoxing off the detox drugs, he starts kind of jones in.
He always has a hookup, whether it's a limo driver
(50:16):
whoever he names names though, Yeah, I mean, how what's
the statute of limitations on this ship? Where are these
limo drivers? I don't I mean, it's fucked up, but
they you know, it happens all the time. And I
don't even totally blame them because that's like their boss.
I guess yep, I don't know. So he gets I mean,
they drop him, he gets more of shit? Does it?
(50:37):
Then he's like, he says, it's not very good. I
bet that that's the meds. Don't isn't that one of
the meds.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
He's still in part one? Okay? Yeah, So they start
tricking him by making the crack less potent.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Oh, I didn't know. I missed that.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
They start making it for him. So whatever they say,
whoever is making the crack, wherever they're getting it, they
get like shittier and shittier crack. So it's potent.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
But isn't it also the medication they put you on
that makes it less work less is not a thing
that's a drug thing. That's different, but they had him
on that in rehab. I think it's a little bit
of both. But I missed. I missed that they were
making the crack weaker. It's crazy. Yeah, so yeah, he
was like, this isn't even that good and I was
just looking at the cream ceiling. Yeah I don't like this.
(51:23):
Yeah yeah, And then basically yeah, he's like, I have
no high left is what he says. But then he's like,
but then where it went from there is fucking crazy,
and that's kind of where part one ends. You're like,
how could there be more? How could you pull that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:38):
But then everything is going to happen. He's going to
get out, get a job on a sitcom. It just
his life just keeps getting better and he keeps getting worse.
It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
It is crazy, and we're going to get to all that. Yeah,
not today, but stay with us hopefully yep soon. So
we're all in love with Charlie Sheen, but also like
kind of not torn.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
I think when you get to the end of part
two you might see what I mean.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
I mean, it's weird. Like I said, I just wrote
this article and I used a clip of him. Weirdly,
when I wrote this Paris Bueller thing, and I could
use any YouTube clip from Ferris Bueller, and I chose
the one with him, and even my boss was like, god,
I forgot how fucking good looking. We were all like, god,
you know, this is before this thing even came out.
We're all sort of like, dang, he's charming, like there's
(52:28):
just something, there's just something. But also he's troubled, all right,
you guys.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
But sober Charlie is very he's he's got warmth.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
You're gonna see, You'll see. I think you'll see, we'll do.
I just feel for the kids. You know, there's there's
a lot of layers. But it's not just his fault either,
all Right. I almost said I love you. I love
you guys.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Thanks everybody.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Okay with us, we got a Hollywood Cringe coming out
to where we're going to cover a couple of things,
including the Kelly Wolf Scott Wolf situation. Yeah, you know,
updates stuff. Okay, bye bye,
Uh uh, Hello, everybody, we got did did did?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Now? Listen? It's me Cecily Nobler here with Stephanie Wilder Taylor.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello. And I was excited to intro this because I
texted Stephanie this morning and I was like, Charlie Shane
dropped today. Charlie Shane, we're both a little obsessed. One
of us is in love with her now. And yeah,
his two part Netflix documentary that we've been talking about
for a while. We did an entire another episode about it.
(00:53):
It dropped, and it was full of I mean, like
we do a lot of shows, we do recabs and
where we just talk about things, and it's sometimes a
chore if I'm honest to take notes. I was like,
every single there was not an there was not a
moment of fluff. Every single thing You're like, whah lah
no Hei do you flies ha? Like I it was
(01:14):
an honor to be honest to take notes on this documentary.
And I think Stephanie agrees.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, can I give a macro note, Yes, macro note
is that I don't really care that much about Charlie Sheen,
Like didn't going into this. I was like, I mean,
we all know that he committed acts of domestic violence.
A great guy, very bad addict, blah blah blah blah
(01:40):
blah blah, bad boy. But I came away and spoiler,
I did watch already both parts, so I know what happens,
but I just came away from it. I literally shed
a tear in the second half and I was like,
oh my god, I really like this guy. And what
(02:05):
you know, my one of my macronotes is something that
we covered when we were talking about why the fact
that this documentary was coming out and there was like
some shocking stuff in it, and yes, this happens in
the second half, but we've already talked about this on
Yes Patreon, is that the big expose is that he's
had sex with men. And I find it offensive, just
(02:28):
so offensive that he has to feel more embarrassed about
that that people are a crapyole, then being a crack addict,
then abusing several wives, then like not being in his
kids live. I mean, and I'm saying, and I forgive
him for those things. I think he's doing his best,
but I just think it's insane that that was the
thing he has to be the most embarrassed to talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
That is really a good point. An Arian.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Country that like that is more offensive to pe people,
not you.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh my god. I mean, I couldn't agree more. I
think it's it's crazy. You see it a lot. There's
and there's also in that world. It's upsetting that there's
there's people that are blackmailing people for it. There are
men that are doing that though, men are doing that
because they did you know, I believe they did it
to Tom. I think they did it to you know,
I don't I can't say for sure, but what the
fuck's going on there too? That's like fucking crazy.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
When you say Tom, you mean Tom Tom from MySpace?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Right. You know, it's funny you say Tom from MySpace
because I used to see him on Bumble all the
fucking time, and it says on the thing it really is.
It says it's his picture, and then there's other pictures
of him, not just the MySpace picture. But then it's like, yeah,
it really is me. I have four homes, I live
all these places, and I've swiped right every time because
I'm like, what if though, what if I got with
(03:51):
Tom from MySpace and he never swipes he's always swiped
no or he's never. I don't know. I mean he
it's whether it's him or not. I don't know, but
I just thought you should have that little information.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, you're like trying to be friends with every single
person on my space, but now.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Suddenly on one fucking date with someone your age, your
piece of shit, you're not that cute. I wouldn't have
swiped on you if you weren't Tom from my space.
And that's a fact. Oh, I guess I go, I
have to go and find an app. Then everybody goes
swipe on me ough, fuck off with your dumb four
homes And I swiped yes, yes, please, And then I'm
(04:29):
mad because you didn't say yes. I don't think it's tight,
but yes, I meant Tom Cruise when I said that yes,
And I'm not saying I'm not outing him. I don't
know for sure. I have no idea honestly, but like
if there was some any truth to it, like yeah,
people fuck with Like I don't like that, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well we do know for sure about John Travolta, and
yet like people are still so horrified, like what and
it's still like the worst thing you could say about him,
I know, which is just there's not a lot. I know,
it's crazy, like a lot of men are bisexual or
by curious. And imagine imagine if a whole documentary came
out about somebody and then it was like the earth
(05:11):
shattering news was that a woman about a woman slept
with another woman almost like it's strange.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, it's such a strange thing, like because people not
only do a lot of hetero men love it, it's
actually like so accepted really for the most priate. So
it's so weird to me, such a weird double standard.
It is a double standard, right, I mean, okay, before
I feel a little bit weird doing this episode about
(05:38):
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Speaker 3 (05:43):
Oh that's okay, right, Like that's that's fine, listen, I'm sober, right, yes.
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Speaker 2 (07:12):
Love this opening.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I was cooked immediately. John Cryer, this documentary is so
well done. By the way, it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It's exactly what a documentary should be, like kudos.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It reminds me a little bit of the Billy Joel.
Who did the Billy Joel one.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Better than the Billy Joel. I never know the names
of the documentarians. I feel bad about that, but I
never really take note of that. I feel bad about
my neck. Oh wait, that's Nora Ephron.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I don't know. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
The Billy Joel one, though, I.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Thought it was really well done. The way it was filmed,
and this was very high quality, and it was cool.
The way the things that they showed you, like the
behind the scenes sort of things, or when the producer
asked him a question, like I liked how they went
back and forth like that.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Holy shit, and the way they spliced in movies, and
like how showed the movies they were doing, and how
it like kind of lined up with the real lives
lined up get it lines. I'm sorry there's gonna be
a little bit of that. It's a lot coming at
to you. I mean I thought I was like, I'll
just take like really light notes. It's probably really short.
I did not know Part one was an hour and
(08:15):
a half. Yeah the movie. So yeah, okay, So John
Cryer looks visibly like he's been through it. Yeah he is.
I mean, didn't you just want to take him straight
to an Allan on meeting. I wanted to be like,
come with me, sir. I know things have been rough,
but you're here, You're safe, You're safe.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah. Poor John, he's like listen, and he's first on screen.
He's like, I was hesitant to participate because, let's just say,
Charlie Sheen is a pattern of just burning everything to
the ground, then he makes a big comeback, and then
he burns it all down again.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, that's got to be really hard for the people
that work with him, certainly for his family. We find
out very early on that Emilio Estevez and I'm not
getting ahead of it, just telling you, yeah, and Martin
Sheen did not want to take part in the documentary,
and that is telling us a lot, a lot, a
lot a lot like as charming as this motherfucker is,
and he is like, what a fucking nightmare, a continuous
(09:15):
loop of a nightmare, but also a charming person who's
a real human who were gonna, you know, give grace
to to some degree, but like, you don't sit down,
you don't have John Cryer be the first person, and
like it looks like he's in the witness protection program.
He's like terrified.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, I'm wondering if this is the longest stint of
sobriety he's had, because I was watching this documentary also
from a recovery standpoint, and he said a lot of
things unlike Jack's from the Valley and Vander Pump Charlie Sheen,
you can tell actually actively works on his recovery. And
(09:53):
I'll get to things that he said that I'm like, oh,
that's a person who works with somebody who's actually takes
accountability and not in a disingenuous like yep, I mean,
I know I took responsibility, but in a living amends,
like trying to do the right thing. And yeah, it's
interesting because you know, like, yes, he's it's also part charm,
(10:16):
but I just wonder if he's just like, look, you know,
I get it. I loved how he was about his
dad and his brother, how he's like, I get it,
I get why they don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, I respect it. Yeah, but I have a feeling. Yeah,
go ahead, Sorry, he.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Sort of refers to the documentary as kind of like
a love letter to his dad. It was sweet.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I liked that too. I read total bullshit. I read
through it. I think he means it in the moment.
I think he means at the moment. But the fact
that his dad and brother didn't want to do it
just tells me so much.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
They're tired.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
They're tired.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Emilio is a little different because they've always had a
bit of a rivalry, and Emilio seems a little dickish
if you ask me, But the dad has just been
through it, and I just like, what does that say?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I don't know. It just tells me more information. But
it doesn't make Charlie any less interesting charming, and I
can see how anybody would be pulled in, And I think,
you know, and I think both of those things can
be true at the same time.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I can be working on himself. I think he and
I don't want to just diagnose people, but I do
think Charlie Sheen is bipolar. I think it's pretty obviously
possibly polar and he might be medicated now, so that
might count for some of the stability. He just seems
very smart and thought listen, do you know how I
(11:41):
can get a hold of him? Is there any.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Actually could I actually do? And I'm not going to
tell the story again because I've told it fifteen times,
but yes, I was supposed to go to a floor
seat Lakers game with Charlie Sheen and I turned it
fucking down.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
When he was a baseball game. It was a basketball game.
Oh that that does make the story worse on your part.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I now like they were just gonna pick me up
in a fucking town car. We were gonna go and
it was like floor seats, like next to like Nicholson.
I mean, I have no there's a lot. I've made
some choices, but it wasn't meant to be it was,
But I really could probably get a hold of him.
He's two phone calls away.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well let's let's get into this.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
We go, we take we'll go all the way back.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
We go in the way back machine, back to nineteen
ninety five, where he's on a honeymoon with a model
named Donna.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Do you remember, Yeah, Oh, I've never heard of Donna.
They met on the set when he was doing a
commercial in Japan, so it was just somebody he just
picked up along the way he was bugging the shit
out of her. They were on a flight and he
got really wasted, went into the cockpit. They all were
charmed by him, and he's like, can I fly this place?
He's like can I wear your captain outfit? And they're like, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Sir, absolutely they're French. They're like, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
They're French. I think he was doing a French accent,
but then he was saying he was going to Japan,
I thought, and I think he just got the accent wrong,
because it's very confused by that, because at first he
was doing sort of a sort of a semi Asian
thing and then it turned into Fenthi. I really didn't. Yeah,
he just got he got confused by his own story.
I believe the story, but I think he just could.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And did you know or was it a learning thing
for you that when they ask if George is flying
the plane, that means they're on autopilot?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I mean, so says Charlie, you know what I mean,
Like probably it's probably out there now because he said that,
but like maybe, but I believe that story. And he's like,
oh my god, I have all these people, including my
really mad wife behind me forty feet behind me. Yes,
and I could just have their lives. And then they're like, yeah,
maybe not a great idea.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Then they turn off the door.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, and then he's not flying the plane anymore. A metaphor. Totally,
a beautiful, beautiful way to start because it's such a
great metaphor for his life.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It's a great story. I was hooked immediate.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Every story was great. He has such a good memory
for his life for being so fucked up, no kind
of insane. So the documentarian asks him how long he's
been sober, and he says he is in his seventh year, so.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
He has over six years of sobriety, which is a
good amount of time.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Do we know exactly what he means by sobriety? Does
he mean full sobriety? We don't.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, now I can tell he means full sobriety because
he was. He talks about it later. He talks about
it later. It might be in part two where he
talks about people who like do other stuff like still
drink when they when they quit drugs. No, he's sober, sober.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Interesting, okay, so then, and I believe me he seems it.
He seems it in this. You know, he's still an addict.
You can see like he's got that thing. But yeah, no,
he does seem.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So this is he's definitely does twelve steps because this
is a programmy thing, he says. He says, uh, at
the end of my drinking, he says, it was like
I was doing all the drugs and it was like
first it was like partying, then it was partying with problems,
and then it was just problems. This is very twelve
steps step speak, not in a CULTI way, just in
the thing that sort of like short shorthand for things.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
That's very interesting and I like, I like hearing. That's
good to know. I do think I do want to
say another macro real quick. Yeah, I love his stories
because he's such a fucking name dropper, but like that's
all he's ever known, but everything's a name drop. And
in a way to me, it almost felt like blaming
is like, well, you got Nick Cage and he's he's crazy.
You got Sean Penn, you got you know in HEII
(15:37):
through Heidi so fast under the butt. I know it
wasn't really his fault, because we'll get to that, but
he really for a long time didn't take a whole
lot of his own accountability. It was just sort of
in this crazy I'm going to this party in Nick
Cage and so he's got oh and I gotta go
get the coke. Yeah, if I'm Nick Cage, I don't
know if I love it. Sean Penn put up with it,
(15:58):
obviously because she showed up for the documentary. He does
not seem well, but that's a different conversation. The Cage
is pretty crazy, for sure, but he can't love it.
But maybe he doesn't care. Actually, maybe he doesn't give
a shit. He strikes me as someone who's like, whatever,
I have a Dracula castle. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And also Charlie Sheen was kind of holding him up. Yes,
he was outing him for all that, but we all
know how much drug use he does. He was kind
of saying that he loved Nick Cage and they were
like besties.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, they were all. So when we go back to
sort of their childhood, so he's got Emilio as a brother,
another brother Ramon, and a sister Renee, and you know,
they lived in Malibu. Dad was famous, but nothing to
not super Beverly Hills. They wanted to have more. It
seems like kind of a more hippie life, la life. Yeah,
so they were watching their dad in Apocalypse. Now. I
(16:49):
didn't know Martin Sheen had a problem, did you. I
know I didn't.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
But also don't forget that we the first thing we
find out is that he was born not breathing.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Oh yeah, they thought he was still born. Yeah, and
the crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
They were, they really thought he died. And then the
doctor he says, beat him back to life, and he wonders,
like I wonder too, if he could have like some
brain damage from that.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah. I mean, I'm sure he doesn't mean like beat
like through him against a wall, but like slap, you know,
they slap them until Yeah, but yeah, you're right, although
I guess if yeah, if the umbilical cord was wrapped,
there's an oxygen issue, so maybe there was some brain damage.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
It's possible.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Maybe. Well so he and his let's see. So there
I just wrote drunk Dad.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
So when he's six, they're like making movies with the neighbors. Yeah,
and there re too, totally.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
We did play. I did plays. I was directing a
lot of plays at age six in Waco, Texas.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I was not crazed too. I had these books that
had like books of quick plays, like a couple of
minute plays, and I was forever like doing casting and
getting all my neighbors involved.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah name, and I would make dogs be in them,
and I would line neighborhood dogs up. There's pictures of
like different dogs lined up to be also in plays.
I love it, well, So I mean sure, Ah.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
So we talk a lot about his dad, like he
was shooting Apocalypse Now and being like pretty out of it,
and he brings his kids over for some of the shooting.
And I guess there was this one day that he
talks about that I thought was kind of crazy where
he knew his dad was really out of it. And
it was when he was shooting that sequence in Apocalypse Now.
(18:36):
I don't know if it's at the beginning where he's
in the hotel room. He's just really like.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Fucked up and he really was fucked up. Yeah, And
that was a really interesting story. And I also want
to know because this is probably when they said that
Emilio and Martin said no to the documentary, And I
just want to point out Emilio said yes to Andrew
Andrew McCarthy's Stupid Saint Elmo's fire Rat pack documentary, he said,
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he reluctantly said yes to that, but wouldn't be in
Charlie's Yes. Remember how Jlio didn't want to even do
that though you could tell he was. At the very end,
and Andrew was like, I don't know if he's going
to answer the door. No, he almost didn't, dude, and
probably shouldn't have. Remember how bad that documentary was. No
good Well, Andrew made it himself, and that was part
of the problem. He had no one to bring him in.
(19:22):
I mean, it was fun to see Demi Moore. I
enjoyed that part of it, but remember how they were all.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
What I liked about this one is these people, Charlie
Sheen's friends seemed to genuinely care for him, whereas Andrew
McCarthy's front. You could tell that people that were in
it were just like this fucking guy.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
The women were really nice. I felt like Demi Moore
was so she's very philosophical and really was trying to
She was kind of big sistering him a little like, no,
let's you know, it did really good things for us.
Let's not be so bitter, you know, Like she really tried,
and I feel like they did. But you could tell.
Amelio definitely was like annoy my fucking kitchen. He was,
(19:59):
so I know everybody talked about that. Yeah, so he's
got whatever he's got. But okay, so we've hid out.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
He hangs out with Amelia Estevez, Sean Penn, George Clooney.
They make these films, and then we also find out
that they're smoking a lot of pot.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Back then, right, a lot of pot in high school there,
but before high school, maybe even middle school, I think, yeah,
probably then this is.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Very recovery speak. He really He talks about his first drink,
which was a Mickey's big Mouth Yeah, and he's like, yeah.
He talks about how the first time it went really
badly drinking. You know, he just he got so drunk,
and then he goes, but you know, I just kept
doing it. I just kept doing trying to make it work. Yeah,
(20:44):
it's like somebody else would. Also, he mentions his friend,
which is going to come up a few times, like
his loyal best friend, Tony Todd, who is this really
funny guy that he went to like school with, and
he's he makes a note that this guy's stud stuck
with him. Not that we're putting down people that didn't
stick because I probably wouldn't have I don't think at all.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
But this guy is sort of like, yeah, I don't
know about all that, but I love the guy. But
he's like a big square.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yes, but he was kind of strange too, because like
what did he get out of it?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
He's like basically abused and he goes, well, he needed
a black friend.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, but he made it was that was funny. I
know it's funny. He's funny. Yeah, also learning the soundbites
from Ramon. But the other brother who's so.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Cute, they're all cute. That is a good looking family, right,
I mean, holy shit. And so yeah, he said, well,
Emilio kind of inspired Charlie to like do better. Emilio
was starting to hit Charlie. You know, they kind of
they weren't like a friendly competition, which I guess didn't
really become so friendly in the end because Melio wanted
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nothing to do with all that shit.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, I guess so, but he was like brat pack.
So I don't know how Emilio thinks he's better than everybody.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Well, I think he was wasn't doing a bunch of drum.
I think he was like the one who he's in
the family. Charlie would be the black sheep. Me Rya
was the gooden child. And you know, even if we
look at it from the outside and go ooh, you know,
like as the person who was that in my family,
you have resentments for the black sheep. We're so all
supposed to feel sorry for them, but you're like, they're
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the ones who took all the attention. They took the
negative attention while I was out here trying not me,
but the person is out there trying to like do
everything perfectly and it's exhausting, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
So Charlie was like not doing well in school relatable right,
had like a one point three gpa, which I have
like a two point three. I was watching this kind
of competing for like, I was kind of like him
a little bit. But then he's like, all right, he
drops out of school and then he tells his parents like, hey,
(22:50):
let me try the acting thing, which.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I was like, why is he to beg his parents?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Sally was already doing it, like.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And also look at him, look at him like he
was look at that. I mean, even then when he
was so young auditioning, he was like why God, I mean,
where does that even come from? Who made who chiseled that?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah? I wonder, I just I wonder a little bit
if like it was hard for him that Amelio got
all the good attention like that Amelio maybe he thought
that Amelia is his dad's favorite because he was following
in his footsteps, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, it was an interesting Yeah, I'm sure he did.
There was definitely a competitive thing. Meanwhile, Ramon's like, hey, guys, yeah,
what's up.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, and Renee we didn't even I don't know if
she even showed up.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
It's funny too that so the dad, so Martin, she
wants them to have the name of Stevez to like
respect their background. And Charlie's like, yeah, yeah, cool cool.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But then we say that differently. I don't know if
I say now, it's not no, it's it's Estevas. But
when we say Amelioz, we've always said Estevez I have Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
He pronounced it, and he pronounced the name, and I
was like, oh, okay, it's a.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Stuffy interesting So we've all been saying it wrong this
whole time, and Emilio never said anything. He's like, hey, guys,
that's weird.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I just got used to it. He's probably like whatever,
you can say it either way, right, I'm sure there
isn't a known way to say it. But what's interesting
is that Charlie's like, let.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Me try the acting thing.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Guys, come on, come on, come on, I'm gonna get
and if it doesn't work, I'll get my ged I'll
go to film school. Maybe I'll even learn to be
an editor. And they're like okay, and he's like, okay,
one more thing. I think, like, you know, I think
I should change my last name to Sheen. No reason,
not because it'll be easier to get in the business
because my dad's a movie start. Just because like it
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just sounds cool, that's all.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And it did. It did sound cool. It surely wanted
to differentiate himself from Amelio, and it did. But you know,
you know that Amelio was annoyed by that. You know,
he was like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Like dad wanted us to have the last name Estevez
or Estevez and now you're gonna be Sheen. What why
why do you get to be Sheen? You know that?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, it's like I got to say, back to Nick Cage,
he made that choice too, Like he's a Coppola. His
last name is Copola. That's his uncle, I think his dad.
And he's like, it's uncle, and he's like, yeah, I'm
gonna be cage. He made it harder on himself. Yeah,
he's like, watch me become a movie star without it.
But yet you also had it though you might not
(25:33):
have had.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
The name, but they knew exactly who you were when
you walked into an audition, right, See difference, But it's
still pretty cool. But Charlie Sheen was trying to make
things easier for himself, which I respect that.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
He's like, look, why would I not.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Take a shortcut? Come on, guys. Yeah, so this so
he gets cast, this was interesting. So he took some
shitty role that he was going to have it to yeah,
Grizzly too. And then he finds out that he got
the part the lead and karate Kid, and his dad
is like, ah ah, buddy, you gave your word. You're
(26:06):
gonna go get eaten by a grizzly bear. I mean,
let's think about that, wol that. I mean, he would
have done a great job as Karate Kid. I'm glad
that Ralph Macchio got his his due. I think because
Ralph Machio is just like such a good dude. Yeah,
like he got he got it was it all happened
the way it was supposed to. Who knows what butterfly effect.
He might not even be in earth anymore if he'd
(26:27):
gotten he'd taken that job exactly. He did us all
all over. Yeah, Like, okay, but I think Charlie Sheen
is what the thing that we learn is that he's
pretty undeniable, Like it doesn't matter if he got the
biggest part.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
He's gonna he was.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
He was going to succeed this kid.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
So then the Jennifer Gray story, do you want to
tell us?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I love the Jennifer Gray story. Now that's who I
relate to. Ah, I've always related to the character in
Ferris Bueller, which I wrote about recently, where it's like
she's the hero. She one has to put up with
everything and mix sture a's while everybody else gets to
do whatever the fuck they want. Yeah, she's gotta have
to she's got to put on the coul lots. You know,
I fucking love her. So I guess they were friends.
(27:09):
Now this makes sense. I thought about him, like why
did they even know each other? Well, because her dad
is Jewel Gray, So you've got Martin Sheen, the Coppola's.
They all live in Malibu together. That's how she knows him.
So yeah, So she gets this job and John Hughes's
Paris Bueler's day off and she's like, hey, you'd be
the once one or two scenes you're the you're the
bad guy and you're perfect. Yeah, you're you're the bad
(27:29):
boy and you're you're it and I love this story.
So she's like, you get on down here and you're
gonna come audition. He gets the sides. I'm just gonna
skip to where he goes because it's so funny. He
gets out of the He's the way he tells it.
He gets out of the car or whatever, and John
Hughes is like, great, awesome, see you next week. He's like,
why I didn't even have to fucking audition? Yes, just
on a look, which good call. If that's true, I
(27:51):
totally believe it because John Hughes fucking rocked YEP in
that way you knew exactly what's exactly who to cast.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
So then there's this this thing where he goes to
do The War of the Stars, which did this because stars.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
It was. Yeah, it was this thing they were doing
with Michael Jordan where it was like they he said,
Martin Jean's his dad's publicist basically got them in. But
they were gonna shoot hoops and have a little contest
with Michael Jordan. So it was him against those two.
Why don't wear Amelia? Why was Emilio not in that
he was? Oh? I thought he wasn't. No, he was.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I think he was.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh, maybe what he had to have been that doesn't
make sense. Yeah, yes, they just didn't show him much
because Charlie makes the thing and they show him like
dancing off, you know. But that's the night before he's shooting,
and they have this blast and they beat you know,
quote unquote beat Michael Jordan. I'm sure he let that happen.
It was really cute. And then he's like, well, I'm
(28:49):
gonna just method act this because I'm supposed to be
a real fucked up drug addict at the jail, So
I'm just not going to go to sleep right or
I'll sleep for one hour. He misses it. He gets there.
Now I have to say that I call bullshit on
something he says he's supposed to be on set at
six am. He gets there somehow at seven thirty and
they're like, and Jennifer Gray yells at him, I don't
know that you'd even notice that early. I don't know that, Like,
(29:11):
I mean, it's he's awe, he's late. But it was like,
you know how it's on a set, it's very hurry
up and wait. So they weren't. It's not like they
were going to shoot at six am.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Well yeah, but if you're Jennifer Gray and you put
yourself out to get your friend a role and then
he can't be there on time, i'd be pissed.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, but I like that, and I don't. Yeah, she's
not in the documentary, is she? She said no too.
I guess because I guarantee they asked everybody, anybody they could.
I'm sure they asked. Yeah, Yeah, she was a no
on that. So then he.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Does his scene, he does his Ferris Bueller's scene, and
it kind of starts off his career because different reviewers
are just like, this was a great movie, but let's
not let's not sleep on this guy.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Charlie, She old Elders, Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So next thing that happens is that the movie Platoon.
Amelia is supposed to star in Platoon and Charlie Sheen
has auditioned for it, but he says he kind of
fucked up, and Amelia is supposed to be the star
of it, but then things go wrong with the production
and they have to kind of start over, and Oliver
Stone is like, you know what, I want you to
(30:21):
re audition. Okay, I want you to be the star
of it. Now, let's imagine your Amelia. You'd be like,
are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
What sucks? Yeah? I'd be pissed and it's not nice.
And the way he smirks, he's like, you're smirking. You
have a smirk on your face. And he's like, basically,
Charlie's like, well that's show biz is the way it goes. Yep.
He's a dig Yeah, he's a dick about it, but
he was great in the Movie's.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Great and this starts off his career. And while he's there,
Oliver Stone is like, listen, I'm right in a contract
on a napkin. I want you to be in Wall Street.
And he's like, oh, okay, what's it about? And he goes,
you know Street, and he's like, cool, cool.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
All right, I'm in it, by the way, and you
know Oliver Stone and this is not not telling telling
tales at a school like major coke addict. I think
he's sober now, but throughout all of this he was
one of the most wild, crazy directors that you could have.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Oh yeah, So if you look at like, like you know,
the people that he's around all the time, you know,
he's really like kind of impossible. I'm not saying that
they're to blame, but they're all connected. So like, of
course he's going to do well, of course, and he's
gonna sell tickets because look at him.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yeah. So he does the Platoon does amazingly well, obviously,
an Oscar with his best picture, and Wall Street does
really well, and now he's a movie star. Right then
he meets Nicholas Cage and they have gone to do
a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Of drugs, and when he meets them, they go to
this party and you'll see, I mean, I guess I
don't have to tell you everything. Are we spoiling? Should
we say spoilers? Oh? I mean we're kind of really
do Hopefully people have already seen this, like, don't if
you're not like go watch. It is really funny when
he sees he doesn't know who Niggy well, I guess
he doesn't know him very well. But he sees Nick
(32:13):
trying to talk into some woman and he's like, you
like my watch? You like my watch? You like my watch? Yeah?
I like this guy. Then he goes.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
The thing I loved about Nicholas Cage is he didn't
care what anybody thought, well except about his watch.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, that was weird. It was so weird. Even Sean
Penn is like at this side. Because Sean Penn, they
keep popping him back in. I saw him recently, By
the way, I saw Sean Penn at a premiere about
a year ago, and I thought it was an old
I thought it was Dustin Hoffman. But I was like
said to my friend, like, boy has Dustin Hoffman aged? Oh?
(32:46):
Not only did I think it was Dustin Hoffman because
I have you know, I don't know how tall anybody is, obviously,
but Shanpan's not that tall. But I was like, I
thought it was an older Dustin Hoffman. That's hilarious. Yeah
for real, Like I don't know, and he seemed fucked
up to me? Did he not am I just probably.
I mean, I have no idea. He could just be
(33:07):
like as we all get older. But he seemed I
don't know, there's a point where he like, remember, it
looked like he was putting, he was lining up coke.
He wasn't. He was like trying to show what that
looked like. Yeah, never forget that Sean pen held a
knife to Madonna's throat and she had to escape and
go to the cops.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Oh no, none of these.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Stories are great. I mean a lot of this Charlie
Sheen stuff is like pretty god awful.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Oh, because Nick Cage is the best of them. I
don't think he's needy. Only he hasn't done that, right,
I'm sure he's done some stuff I think. I don't know.
I want there to be a hero, and I wanted
to be Nick Cage.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
But there's this story where they're on a flight and
they're really high and drunk. They're really both of them
are really drunk, Nicholas Cage and Charlie.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
She Oh that's when they go to San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yes, and he gets Nicholas Cage gets on the loud
speaker and just goes, this is the captain.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I'm not feeling well, I don't think I can lay
on the plane like it made me laugh out loud,
and Nick tells the story later on like a talk show,
so they show him telling the story. But yeah, and
then they get arrested like the FCC or what is
it who shows.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Cops or are at the door, and but they're like
fans of them, so they let him go and he's like,
good thing, because I had like cocaine taped.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
To my leg. Yeah. But see he says a couple
of times how how he never had consequence, He never
like seemed to get a bottom because he get bailed
out every single time because he's Charlie Gan, which John
Cryer drives him fucking crazy. Yeah. Did they go back
to John Fryer in a moment and he's like, yeah,
I mean I like he's shaking, he's shaking. He's like
I want to like him. But then like, you know,
(34:39):
he shot Kelly Preston. I'm like, yeah, but I mean,
what was that?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
And then Kelly Preston goes like no, no, no, that's
not really exactly what happened.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
But they never tell the story. No, she's closed, she's
she's actually being really funny. They're like, the news outlets
are at her front door and like, just come on,
come on, Kelly, just tell us, like he shot you,
Like what up? And she's like, no, no, no good,
it was an accident. She's adorable. She's not alive anymore.
I'll rest so then it's time for an intervention. And
(35:08):
I thought this was funny that they're like, hey, we're going.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
To celebrate dad's birthday a little earlier on the day.
And he's like, oh okay, and he's like, what should
I get him? And they're like, oh, you know Dad.
You know Marty Sheen, He's got everything. Don't get him
anything always.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
And I just know they said, don't get him anything,
he'll he'll just give it away. It's funny. And it's
like it's nine am. Okay, it's a nine am birthday party.
Sure jumps in his thing. He gets to the house
and his mom comes out. She's like, hey, honey, just
want to say you're not armed, right, She's like, what
kind of fuck question is that? No, maybe I have
a gun in the trunk, but I'm not armed. I
mean it's not with me, Like cool, cool, cool, cool,
(35:47):
cool cool cool. So it goes in and the way
they said. I knew it was an intervention as soon
as they said it was nine am. Yeah, it was
like a Malaney story. I love that.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
It was really funny. It was a good story. And
then he does go to rehab. But when he gets
to rehab, he forgets. He's like, oh shoot, such bad
timing because I was supposed to go judge a Hawaiian
Tropics bikini contest with Paul Cage.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, they're already all so famous at this point. I
have to give Nick Cage this, like, if you're gonna
just do it, do it. I mean, you know what
I mean, Like, who gives a fun Now I'm turning around, like,
don't hurt anybody, but like, let's have fuck. I want
to try crack.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Come on just once.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Oh yeah. So before he goes to rehab though he
doesn't want to go, but Clint Eastwood another name drop,
He's like, so Clint, you know, Clint's on the phone. Yeah,
you know, Clint's on the phone. He's like, you should
go to rehab.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Son.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
He's like, all right, okay, poor Martin. Martin Sheen is like,
fuck this shit. Yes, all it takes is Clint Eastwood
for no reason to call it. Why is he on
the phone.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
So then when he's at rehab and he needs to leave,
he tells this nice lady who works there. He's like, listen,
I'm gonna run to Palm Springs like real quick. I'm
gonna go judge this bikini contest and then I'm going
to be back like by the morning. And if i
am not back first thing in the morning, I'm paying
you a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
So she's like okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah, and then he comes back.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
She probably sad about that. She's like, that's what he says.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
He goes, well, she seemed like she was kind of
the way he describes it.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
He goes, she seemed like she was kind of.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Like, well, good for you for I guess being a
man of your word, but I could have used the
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
The way he keeps calling everyone gal, He's like this
black gal, and she meant business and I mean the
way he describes it that you can totally picture it.
And she's like fuck okay. So yeah, he goes.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
He comes back and while he's in rehab, though, they
send him a script for hot shops. While he is
in rehab, they're right, Hey, we got a movie for you,
and he's like, I can't.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, he said, yeah exactly, yes, it's crazy. So okay,
So now he goes to.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Nick's castle when he gets back and he's sober for
a while, like a year.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Actually, yeah, that was so sad, he really, yeah, And
it makes me sad that Nick. I'm not saying it's
somebody else's fault when you break your sobriety, but like
maybe I don't know. I don't know. I don't know
what to think of that. It's not Nick's fault, it
really isn't. It's you're You're in charge of your own body.
You know what, you're where you're going. And it's not
like Nick is not going to have a beer in
(38:20):
his fridge because like his sober friend's coming over. But
I don't know something somehow, like why was he even
staying there?
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I don't like, might sleep over.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
They or they had gone to a party, and he's like,
come rest and then Nick passed out. I don't know,
so that yeah, the beer was in the fridge, and
he was like, well, it's my sober birthday, Happy birthday, yes, And.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
He celebrates his birthday with a beer, and then he's
off to the races. Then they go to this bar
called on the Rocks, which I've been to many times.
On Top of the Rock, I've been to the Roxy,
but I've never been to that bar. I used to
go there because you got to remember I moved to
la in like nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah, did you see Charlie?
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Never saw him as far as I know. But so
he's talking to all these there's all these hot girls
at this bar and he's talking to them and he's like,
do you guys want to like come party?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (39:12):
And he's like and they're there with this woman who's
a little bit older, like kind of like big sister,
like mom.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Enery like chaperoning kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah. And then he's like, oh, I get it. You
guys are call girls and that's your madam, didn't you.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I loved. I loved. I was like, oh, I literally
was like, OMG, it's fucking Heidi. The way they tell
the story is exciting, even if you see it coming
like and he's like, well, you know it's not I
don't have any judgment. I lost my virginity on my
dad's credit card to a call girl at fifteen which
also tells you a lot. That's a that's a little
bit like he probably wouldn't call that trauma. I guess
(39:48):
most guys wouldn't, and maybe it's not, but it's also like, wow,
that is what shaped your mind.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
And then I'm like weirdly on Heidi Flie's side.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Because she's one hundred She's one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, so fucked up and out of it with her
all her birds.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Uh, I've been talking about these birds forever. Nobody listens
to me about these birds because they did a whole thing.
She was on Celebrity Celebrity Rehab. Yeah, I watched that
whole that whole.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Season of it where she's Tom what's the guy's name
that she has died?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I think right? And he ended up. I think he did.
I can't think of his last name, but yeah, they
had a very abusive, yes, physically abusive relationship and that
was crazy. But she's she's nuts, but she owns like
she just lives in the crazy and she's.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Like, listen, yeah, whatever, it was consensual sex with like
grown ups. She's like, I wasn't Julaane Maxwell, I wasn't
going to buy like like trying to get girls from
junior highs.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Well wait, she goes, so whatever, these cumbuckets were making nothing,
and then she says that and they leave it, and
she goes, these cumbuckets, I get them one hundred ground yes, yes,
what she calls them. She didn't have like a respect
then about him, about Sheen, because he fucked her over.
She's like that cry baby pussy bitch. Now, these are
words that we don't use in everyday life. But like,
(41:10):
I loved it. You were mad, yes, but also her
fault because he's like, yeah, you know, I mean it
was Ken Sholey as it should be. In like one day,
I didn't any cashual, like you take your travelers check.
She's like, yeah, sure, yeah, that's what you say.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
That's mom.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I love that we have like changed our entire like
who we are. Like I'm going to start a madam business.
I would never not even venmo. I do kind of.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Feel like it's a little different than what Julayne Maxwell
was doing. It was like these were high paid, they won,
they approached her, they were yes or not in the
best place.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Anybody that does this, I agree, it's not the same
as Jeffrey Epstein, but these people are not like, you know, yes,
they made grown up decisions. I guess they're probably eight
they're at least eighteen, we'll say that. But a lot
of them are pretty and not doing well if that's
the choice that they've made. And Heidi doesn't give a
fuck in the fact as clearly she doesn't give a
fuck about these people.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
No, so the press is only interested in the Charlie
Sheen of it all. Yeah, She's like, yeah, I you know,
I get in trouble. They're all interested in Charlie Sheen,
not the like Saudi Prince that they've never heard of,
which I did think was interesting.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
So she throws him and someone who says who says,
She's not gonna say, but I guess those names got released.
But she also she's like, anybody you can think of
that you think uses it used it. So my mind
is going everywhere. It's like Mooney, Well, obviously Nick Cage,
else well, Bill Clinton, obviously he used the Heidi flies.
I don't know. I'm assuming he's more of an Epstein guy.
(42:47):
JK J K Hondy, p JK Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
So now so, so now she goes to jail, and
then his he says basically that he just kind of
goes off the rails. He starts doing a lot of drugs.
It gets real bad. He starts taking movies just for
drug money. He shoots a movie in Canada. This is
where he goes. He was so fucked up in the
(43:13):
scene that he could not stay awake, and the director
was like, dude, like, you're falling asleep, and he goes,
all right, here's what I want you to do, right,
get me a get me a drink, like with a
lot of ice. And then he goes in now and
he goes in the bathroom and he shoves an ice
cube up his ass.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
But it seemed to work.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Because he got to see the scene and he was like, good.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah, yeah, you know, but I looked at it, actually
rewound it and watched it again. He's high as fuck.
He's so coked out in that scene. Oh yeah, he's
talking so fast and his eyes are all like he's
I don't know that he's great. How much did he
look to you? Like a hot version of rom Livingstone?
Though a little bit sometimes when he was real like
sucked up though, yes, yeah, one eye is going down,
(43:57):
you know, yep.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Okay, So now there's this thing where he's he's dating
this girl, and we find out that also see Thomas
Howell is dating surprising.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Don't forget See Thomas Hell was soul man. He put
on black face. I believe that was see Thomas Hall. Oh,
not his fault, to be fair, like, I don't know
if you know back then, when you're like that young
that maybe in retrospect you probably shouldn't put on black face.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, he's people. He didn't write it, okay. So she
calls him from this house. So she's in some house
in Woodland Hills, which is not far from me, and
she's like, I've got bad vibes. I gotta get out
of her. So Charlie Sheen goes over to the house
and the guy is like, no, fuck no, she's not
going anywhere. She owes me money and then Charlie Sheen
(44:48):
goes out to his car, comes back with a gun. Yeah,
takes the girl back to his house, where she falls
asleep on his couch even though they're dating. The next day,
she pulls out a pipe and takes a big hit
and I wrote because I was and I was wrong.
I'm like oh and oh, And he says like she
(45:08):
takes this big poll and then she like lays back
and she's in like a dream light like state, and
weren't you like, oh, so she's doing Heroin. Then it
turns out it's crack.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, and then I'm kind of crying, am it? Yeah? Cracks.
Never I've never thought of crack as relaxing. I bet
it was something else. I bet it was like a
mix of something else. Who knows. But by the way,
we missed a lot there was. I mean, it doesn't
really matter. I can't go back all but I can't
really read my I mean, all this happened because wait,
didn't Charlie Sheen hold on? I mean hold on, I
(45:40):
mean Martin Sheen, let me let me read how I
this hold on? Oh yeah, okay, back to the Heidi
Flies thing. He was like, yeah, I feel kind of bad,
but I mean they also they're like, we're getting her
on tax evasion. I was like, that's on her. She
should have paid her. And by the way, he only
got a four hundred. She went went to fucking jail
and he got a four hundred dollars. Fine. I mean,
this guy cannot like lose. He can't lose for losing, right, No,
(46:05):
he can't believe. That's when Martin Sheen was like giving
notes to the press too. We kind of missed where
he was like, yeah, he's fucked up, arrest him. Yeah,
you know, well that I guess that happens in a second.
He also had done that movie that you were talking
about with Chris Tucker. I think, right, it was a
different thing, but Chris Tucker. When Chris Tucker looks like
(46:25):
the Voice of Reason and a documentary, you're like, whoa.
And Brett Ratner too, also a known coke guy.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
All these guys, well that part and maybe I missed it,
but that he's supposed to be kind of sober during
that part or yes he has been. And then Chris
Tucker is like, yeah, I don't know, like he started
coming into like skipping days of work, like not showing
up for rehearsals. And then he's like, but I mean
kind of.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
And that's when he had the cocaine. That's when the
when the ice thing was shoved up his ass. Then
they show Sean Pan a couple times too, where I
was I literally wrote, is he doing coke? To us?
What that looked like? That seemed weird to me?
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Right, And He's like, I'm he goes, guys, I want
to be method for this documentary.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I'm sure he did, and let let's bring Ma Donna in.
She's like, no, thanks. He also, this is a very
important part because Sean Penn says, you know a lot
of people do copious amounts of cocaine and it makes
you have extreme sexual fantasies. But the thing basically saying
is like, but you can't perform unless you're Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Good thing about coke is that, yeah, you're gonna want
to do all these things, but you can't. But Charlie
somehow could.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
So then then we go into this crack house lady
who seems like she was no good. Right, I don't
need to sound like a prude.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
This is a big theme with Charlie Sheen, that there's
something like different about him. He's like a magical creature, yes,
and that he can just do so and you got
to think about it.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
He it is crazy that he's still alive.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
I know, with the amount of ods he had and
the amount of drugs he was doing, it's insane that
he's still with us.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
So he describes getting a crack b Jay which he's like,
well there, And that's another thing though, where he I
appreciate that he describes that. I remember like reading what
was the book What was the thing about the alf
writer for a min at midnight? Do you remember that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah, yeah, Jerry yeh yeh.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Jerry Stall Yeah. And Ben Stiller played him for some
reason the movie, which was weird, but like I appreciated
him being yeah, but he got so like specific with
how Heroin made him feel, how he'd leave his kids
crying at a crackhouse because it was that's how strong
the drug was. And I actually appreciate those stories to
(48:36):
be able to describe to us what that feels like.
So I appreciate that Charlie was telling us, but also
at the same time, it felt again like he's, well,
I mean, you've never had a blowjob on crack. I
mean he'd had so many chances already. And then he's like, well,
then it was off to the races with crack. Yeah,
But I mean I get it. Although I think he
did a good thing, then happened for a second because
(48:58):
that's when, uh, I think that's when he gets arrested.
That's when, Oh yeah, that's when.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yet first, first, after he does that and that girl
dies by the way, yeah, then he starts. Then he
moves to shooting up cocaine. Well that's what a speedball is. Yeah,
I didn't know that. I didn't know what he was
talking about. Okay, and that's when that's when his dad
has him arrested.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
That's right, and his dad is like, very tough love.
I love Martin Sheet for that. That is why Charlie's
alive again. Emilio is probably like fuck you all. Yeah,
I mean maybe I don't know how he feels. Ramon
definitely is like I don't care. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
So basically, uh, somebody says I can't read my writing
because I was speaking to my phone. Somebody, Oh Slash
his house.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Oh yeah. He goes to Slash.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yeah, and Slash is like, I don't know if I've
seen anybody in this bad of shape.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah. He's like, you got to get help. And he's like,
if Slash another name drap, but he's like, if Slash
can it says it, I guess I'll go. Yeah. But
he has a release. So they finally get him in
this place and it's legit and they're d They detox
him and then on. He says, like, after they start
detoxing off the detox drugs, he starts kind of jones in.
He always has a hookup, whether it's a limo driver
(50:16):
whoever he names names though, Yeah, I mean, how what's
the statute of limitations on this ship? Where are these
limo drivers? I don't I mean, it's fucked up, but
they you know, it happens all the time. And I
don't even totally blame them because that's like their boss.
I guess yep, I don't know. So he gets I mean,
they drop him, he gets more of shit? Does it?
(50:37):
Then he's like, he says, it's not very good. I
bet that that's the meds. Don't isn't that one of
the meds.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
He's still in part one? Okay? Yeah, So they start
tricking him by making the crack less potent.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Oh, I didn't know. I missed that.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
They start making it for him. So whatever they say,
whoever is making the crack, wherever they're getting it, they
get like shittier and shittier crack. So it's potent.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
But isn't it also the medication they put you on
that makes it less work less is not a thing
that's a drug thing. That's different, but they had him
on that in rehab. I think it's a little bit
of both. But I missed. I missed that they were
making the crack weaker. It's crazy. Yeah, so yeah, he
was like, this isn't even that good and I was
just looking at the cream ceiling. Yeah I don't like this.
(51:23):
Yeah yeah, And then basically yeah, he's like, I have
no high left is what he says. But then he's like,
but then where it went from there is fucking crazy,
and that's kind of where part one ends. You're like,
how could there be more? How could you pull that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:38):
But then everything is going to happen. He's going to
get out, get a job on a sitcom. It just
his life just keeps getting better and he keeps getting worse.
It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
It is crazy, and we're going to get to all that. Yeah,
not today, but stay with us hopefully yep soon. So
we're all in love with Charlie Sheen, but also like
kind of not torn.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
I think when you get to the end of part
two you might see what I mean.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
I mean, it's weird. Like I said, I just wrote
this article and I used a clip of him. Weirdly,
when I wrote this Paris Bueller thing, and I could
use any YouTube clip from Ferris Bueller, and I chose
the one with him, and even my boss was like, god,
I forgot how fucking good looking. We were all like, god,
you know, this is before this thing even came out.
We're all sort of like, dang, he's charming, like there's
(52:28):
just something, there's just something. But also he's troubled, all right,
you guys.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
But sober Charlie is very he's he's got warmth.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
You're gonna see, You'll see. I think you'll see, we'll do.
I just feel for the kids. You know, there's there's
a lot of layers. But it's not just his fault either,
all Right. I almost said I love you. I love
you guys.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Thanks everybody.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Okay with us, we got a Hollywood Cringe coming out
to where we're going to cover a couple of things,
including the Kelly Wolf Scott Wolf situation. Yeah, you know,
updates stuff. Okay, bye bye,
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