The Charlie Sheen Doc - Part 2

In part two of the Netflix Charlie Sheen doc, things get even crazier. We're here to break it down, (and yes we both cried.)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello, Hello everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's me Cecily Knobler here with Stephanie Wilder Taylor. We're
doing a special report and we are talking about our friend,
our dear, good, sweet, beautiful, lovely angel of a friend, Charlie.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
She now a good I have a I have a
macro note. Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
So on part one I told you that I was like,
I really really like him, and you know, I was
saying like, listen, you know, I know I get who
he is, but this documentary made me, made me like him,
and people were kind of pushing back online, not not

(00:53):
like directly towards me, but a lot of people were like,
well what about.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
This, Well what about that? Like you know, this is
who he is.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
And so I tried to keep I tried to keep
an open mind watching part two the second time, and
I came away feeling like, Nope, I really do like him.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I think a lot of people feel that way. I
think it's impossible not to. But that's part of when
I all, I can think of the terror in John
Cryer's eyes, so oh yeah, the fact, and I kind
of keep coming back even though I find him charming.
I would totally go to a basketball game with him
now if asked, but I you know the fact that

(01:31):
Emilio and Martin would not participate, you know, the people
that are so close to him, except for the pick
me girls, which we're going to get into, and there
are many pick me girls, and I feel for them.
I'm not putting them down. I feel for them because
I've been there, but I I just makes me. It
gives me pause as to like how charming he can

(01:52):
be time and time and time and time again and
get himself out of these things that these tornadoes that
he causes for you know, for fifty fifty years, forty years,
and I have a tough a little bit of a
tough time with that. But yeah, no, he's charming as fuck.
And I'm rooting for him, super rooting for him, like
I for sure, and I think, you know, and I

(02:14):
also feel bad. I have a little bit of like,
you know, he's made he's made some peace and some
some well you know what I am going to say.
I do think he seems to be a good dad
now that he's sober. I like his relationship with his kids,
which we'll get into too, and that does tell me
some good stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Listen, I agree with everything you just said. And I
am not saying that he's a great guy, and I'm
not saying that here's what I want to say. Of course,
he terrorized all those people, and when he is not sober,
he was out of his mind.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
But what I liked. Okay, this is going to be
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Hard to explain, but in terms of being in recovery,
a lot of celebrities get sober and they seem.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Very bullsh shitty about it.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
They they're not really sorry or have I don't feel
like they've done They've done this is going to sound
so cheesy. I don't feel like they've done the work
in recovery and actually tried to better themselves.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
You know. I think they get clean, they want all
the accolades for being clean.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
It felt to me like he is actually a much
better person sober and knows that, and there's nothing he
can do about the past. But he genuinely seems to
be trying to help people by being completely honest in
this documentary. That is not to say that he's not
also doing damage control, and we'll get to that, because

(03:38):
this is a big part of it is that he's
getting ahead of some stories and he's very clear about that.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
But those destroys he put in his own book, so
he's getting a little Hey, this was in conjunction, I believe,
with a book.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Right well, but he probably wrote it into the book
because he said, people are going to come forward and
say that I've done these things.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
So you know, okay, I just don't want anybody listening
to me to be like, yeah, but that was going
to come out. People were going to say shit, yes,
and I agree, but it's like there's something about and
I'll say it when we get to those parts. The
way he speaks about recovery. It feels very genuine to
me from people that I know from the recovery community

(04:18):
who actually like walk the walk.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Mm hmmm, I agree with you, and I agree with
everything you're saying too, So like I think all those
things can be true, and I think that Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
And some of those people that he did some of
the most damage to are out here on this documentary
going like be easier on him, like I did shit too.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
You know, everybody seems to be kind of taking some responsibility.
Poor Denise Richards doesn't get enough love, and so Denise
Richards has had some like real bad moments from Real Housewives.
But yeah, so it's like there's there's no heroes in
this story. Certainly don't want to come.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Across like I would say. I would say Lola, his
daughter is a hero, not Lola.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
No, she's not a hero. Sammy. Sammy is the hero. Wait,
which is the one that's not an only fans that's Sammy. No,
Lola is the younger daughter, Lola's no.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Okay, hold on, I'm going to look it up because
I think that you might be I think we're mistaken.
I think Sammy is the only fans one. Yes, Lola
is the one that's in the documentary. Correct, but yes
it's not great. No, she is not great.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Girl.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
You gotta you gotta stay up on Reddit. Lola, who
is seems so innocent and charming, is the one who's
now like a weirdly born again Christian and very judgmental.
And Sammy is the one who's like way more woke
and has had to be schooling Lola. And they're not
really speaking. I thought they weren't speaking for different reasons

(05:52):
because Lola has gone very weirdly sort of right wing
and a little bit of that poor thing.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I'm not saying she doesn't. She clearly has some damage
from her childhood. But yeah, it's a little tricky when
you watch the documentary because she seems so great and
you're like, oh, but she said something racist, she said
some like she said some real problematic things, and Sammy
I not know that.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, I then I think, you know, maybe both of
us kids, I mean, they grew up in a really
really fucked up broken home. I did not like that
Denise and Sammy did an only fans together. I just
think that that's super fun. Well, we'll get we'll get
to all that. But they didn't get They didn't even
talk about that because if Sammy didn't want to be
part of it, I think Charlie or the documentarian respected that.
They're like, Okay, we're just going to talk mostly about

(06:40):
the people that are here. We're not going to go
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Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, all right, all.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Right, let's get into it. Sean Penn opens us up
the part two.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Uh and inserted himself and this you what he's kind
of He's really inserted himself.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Oh I feel I know that they asked him to
be in it, but I'm like, I don't know that
we need this much Sean Penn. I know he's very famous,
but you know, it feels like a lot.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
He's kind of supposed to be the grounding character, even
though Sean Penn is you know, he's he he is
a live narrator, but he's also you know, he's punched paparazzi.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
He's you know, he held a knife to Madonna violence. Yes,
he held a knife to Madonna's head.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I'm not gonna, I'm not a Yeah, I'm glad that
he has helped the world and you know, like Haiti
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
But yeah, we're not all bad and good. That's what
we've learned from this.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
But Sean Penn tells us because now we're in the
two and a Half Men sitcom season. Basically John Penn
lets us know that, yeah, he was really fucked up,
but he believes he's sober, and that Charlie Sheen is
going to tell us the truth. Okay, truth Ruth, the truth, Ruth.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
And I do want to point out one thing that
I thought that they were kind of trying to do.
In part one, they make a real big I mean
it's like a good five minutes where Charlie's like, yeah,
I mean I wasn't so I was pretending to be sober,
but I was like, let's put some vodka in the
coffee cup.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Remember he kept saying the coffee mug.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, He's like, there's nothing about it being in the
coffee mug, like something about it being a secret.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
And they talked about it quite a while.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
And then at the beginning of part two, when he's
sitting at the diner still, they do sort of zoom
in on the coffee mug. Now, I don't know if
that was supposed to if that was just random because
they're drinking coffee and they're at a cafe, but part
of me was like, are they trying to tell us
that there's something in the coffee mug No. I'm not
trying to be like conspiracy, but I think they were
trying to leave I think Charlie sober, I agree with
you in this doc documentary, but I he's.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
One hundred percent sober.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
He's not on anything, and if he was on anything,
we would know it. He's not able to tell oh,
he's not somebody who does drugs subtly.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I just thought they were trying to say something with that.
But then I just got over it because I was like, well,
I guess not, but they.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Did tell you no, the way he's talking about sobriety,
you don't do that if you're if you you.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Stay away from some of that language, if you're lying.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
He just wouldn't be going this hard about like taking
this much responsibility if he was drinking right now, right,
Oh listen if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well, and it's also possible that he was very sober
in this moment and has all done that all the
work that you're talking about, and you know, but then
has bouts you know, which we don't know and really
none of our business, but you know, like if he
has that.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
But I just thought they were trying to say something.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I just thought that the director was trying to say
something by zooming in on the coffee cup, which they'd
made such a big deal of, And I mean that's
kind of just looking for Easter eggs. I don't know,
but I agree with you that he's sober in this
moment and that he has done a lot of work
on himself.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
So this is not somebody though he's he's he's been
sober eight years, So this is not somebody. You know,
he was in his eighth year of sobriety, he said,
So he's definitely eight years sober. Now, if he's sober,
I don't I think that's not It's different than like
Jack's from you know, the Valley saying well, you know,

(11:29):
I've got thirty days.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's a little different, right.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
You can tell him that he's very calm, he's got
a good relationship with Well, we'll get there anyway.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay, So I love this moment.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, Okay, So he's in rehab and he really can't
there's no there's never going to really be a rock
bottom even now. I mean, I don't think he's he's
just always lifted up by like everyone, he's just kind
of blessed in a lot of ways to say, to
use that word, you know. But he gets out of
rehab and his dad takes him to a baseball.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Game or something and they like antony.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah little to our friend Tony, and they're like, yeah,
you can, you can hit the ball if you want.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
It's some Sunday game, I don't know. And he just
hits the just hits.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
It out of the park, and everybody's like, it's just
the most beautiful metaphor, like how awesome he is a
but also like just another chance and he got to
do that in front of his dad.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
That made me kind of tear up a little bit, like, oh,
oh my god, that's so awesome.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
And his friend, bless his heart, yeah, is choking up
telling the story and he's like, yeah, god, I'm almost
lost it here on camera just telling you how beautiful
this moment was. I will tell you that I think
that Tony really could have used some alan on a.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Bit of an a neighbler.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, I definitely think he definitely could use alan on
because he feels like he can't leave his side. Yeah,
he felt all the times. And this guy's a very
straight laced, you know, like he doesn't even barely drink, right,
it just had to be loyal and he had to
be the one to like kind of save him. And yeah,
I hope maybe he is an Allen On. Maybe So
Charlie's out of rehab and he's like, you know, I

(13:03):
want to keep my sobriety. I think I need like
a regular job with some structure. And then this is
when Michael J.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Fox has had to leave because he's made his He's
made his announcement that he has part and it was
kind of sad because now we see Michael J. Fox,
like current day is not doing well. You know, he's
most in a wheelchair.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Poor guy. So well, I think they showed him.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
They showed that because they wanted to show how successful
and wonderful Spin City was.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
And that's sort of like how could Charlie, How could
they fix this?

Speaker 2 (13:31):
And only who could be charming enough to come in
and and walk through, you know, walk in the shoes
of Michael J.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Fox.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
And the only way they could really do it is
to like, Okay, we're going to make this new character.
He's kind of it's sort of like what they did
with Diane and Rebecca in Cheers, Like she she can't
be exactly the same, right, He's gonna have an edge
to her, so they you know, they gave him an edge,
like he kind of played himself real hot, real sex,
real sexy, and real bad and it fucking worked.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
And then it's cute because Martin Sheen is on West
Wing at the same time as his show's out, so
they would go and watch their shows together and he
even he says West Wing was just like always killing
our ass.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, and but he's like funny about it.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
But meanwhile, I love the idea of them watching tvd okay,
now your show, now my show, and Emelia's in the
background going, what the fuck how did this happen?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Like talking to anybody, se repo man, good movie guys.
He had to be the good kid, you know, like
and they still didn't get rewarded, like, oh that sucks.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Like Charlie, it's very fairst Bule. I feel like he's
Emilio is Jennifer Gray.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
And we talked about this in part one that I
think Amelia part of the reason he won't.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Be in it is because he's like God and my
dad is just constantly helping Charlie, Like he just constantly
fucks up and like.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Where's my reward? Yeah, yeah, yep, exactly. So Denise is.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
They showed Denise and they ask her why she's willing
to be in this documentary and she's like, you know what,
you know what if I'm not in the movie, it's
just gonna be stupid and fluffy and bullshit.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
So I got it. I love her too. I mean,
I don't know about you, but I was like, this
is the coolest fucking like woman. She is.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
So she's kind of in a way like Charlie. She
is so unapologetically who she is. I think she's probably
a pretty good mom other than putting her kids in positions,
you know, like dating.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Bad guys, bad picker. But I think she loves those kids.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
She's such a kind of just soccer hockey mom at heart,
you know, like she's really she really and just no
bullshit but she and god was she gorgeous? Oh god,
like when they show those old picks that we didn't
know that, but my god, she's so pretty.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
So she tells us that her dad brought her and
her sister platoon when they were a kid, and then
there's this cute line where she's like dad, Uh, did
you ever think what you took us to see Platoon
that I would marry that fucking guy. I thought that
was funny.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, yeah, that fucking I was like, I don't know,
you know, but I mean, how could you not. They
were just drawn to each other, like he was sexy
and she's gorgeous, and it was yin yang and he tried,
he tried, and he was sober.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
So he was sober, and what I related to was
in sobriety, he was like a different guy. She's like,
you know, he was shy, and he says.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I just I was. I was like kind of nervous
and I didn't want to like make the first move.
And he says, which is sober talk, like He's like
I felt kind of out of my body, like I
didn't feel like myself, Like he was uncomfortable in his
own skin.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
And he was trying so hard to be sober and
live this like different life.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
And I'm sure that's what she kind of fell in
love with. And he was sober for because he was
sober for a few.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Years, right, and he was trying to live that life
of like let me show up and be a good
husband and did kids and let me let me show
up and be a good dad. He was trying to, yeah,
trying to make it work. And I think the City, Yeah,
Spin City gets canceled, and uh so they kind of
please like oh no, and they kind of his agents
kind of put it out there like no, he really

(17:10):
wants to keep kind of doing the sitcom thing, like
he likes it, so what do you know, like just
just in typical Charlie Sheen fashion, Chuck Lourie had just
had a meeting about his new show, Two and a
Half Men, and he's like, we want a Charlie Sheen
type and like can you get him?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Oh, well, yeah you can actually, as it turns out, yep,
you can.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
So then so then they give him the part that
he's going to play is again kind of like the
ne'er do well, you know, and John Cryer is already
just like annoyed. He's like, yeah, so I'm going to
play like the hard working guy and he's going to
play the bad boy. And we all knew about his reputation.
At some points. I was like, it's nice that John

(17:49):
Cryer's in this, but he does not like Charlie Sheen,
which I like that.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
I like that. I like that he's here. I don't
think he doesn't. I think he.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I think he's con I think he went through a
hell that we don't get to see, and it must
be hard to then be part of a documentary where
everyone's sort of kind of praising him that Charlie kind
of has control over. So that's I think why Denise
and John Cryer both want to be like yeah, also, yes, also,
and I like that, and I'm glad that he's Yeah,
he's like, I hope he stays sober.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
I really want that. But you know, well, he's.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Already suspicious because he says that Charlie Sheen pulled him
aside and was like, listen, I've been I've got two
years sober, my sobriety's really important to me. And John
Cryer's like, yeah, it's kind of weird that he would
say that, which I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
I think he really was trying to keep him.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Gone, to be held accountable. Yeah, I think so too.
I don't think that was weird either. But then so Ramone,
the other brother chimes in. This brother Ramone loves Charlie
so much that is unconditional love.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
He's like he was so funny.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I knew, I'm kind of we don't really need Ramone,
but that was just in lieu of getting Emilia. I
guess they thought maybe there'd be something he would offer.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
But feet This was a funny part of the documentary too,
because John and I got into a really big fight
and he hit He did not well. John said that's Amelio.
First he said who's that and I said that's his brother,
and then he was like that's Amelia and I said no,
it's not, and he was like, yes it is, and
he thought I was and then he just got so mad.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
He well, okay, he didn't wait, did this really happen?
He threw a o.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Oz is it vaz or vase at my head and
it hit me and I went to the hospital. But
then I was like, let me don't worry about it, okay.
Domestic violence humored.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Last night while you're watching, like.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
God, yeah, you're wait, but did you really He really
was trying to say it was Emilio and you're like, thought.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Him was and I was like, no, it's it's Ramone.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
They have strong jeans. We also didn't have the sister
in this. She did not show up either, so that's
telling as well. Okay, so then they bring Denise Richards
on the show. They're like, well, might as well have
her as the love interest?

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah the show and Charlie, which was better, probably because
she would get real mad if I was kissing other ladies.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
I think he was kind of making a joke, but
John Cryer liked that. He's like, I always saw Denise
as very practical, and you know, it was always kind
of him.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Well maybe they balance each other, you know, right, I
don't know. And they've had a baby, yeah, babies in
the in the show too.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Everything's just really so cute, right, except that one day
Denise wasn't supposed to be on set and then she
shows up on set and John and he comes running out.
Charlie runs out to Johnny goes he has a brown
paper bag.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
He's like, you got a hold take this.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Denise just showed up unexpected to take it, and you know,
of course you assume it's drugs, right right, My god?
He take John Cryer's like why he takes it? And
then I love how he explains it.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
He's like, well, I'm back in my trailer AND's just
sitting there, so I mean, I'm just gonna look at it. Well,
he Larie before the before that, he says, okay, uh,
He's like, is it legal? Yeah? And yeah, Charlie, she goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's legal. Yeah. So then when he opens it, and
I just love that it's a ducky that has to

(21:05):
go through this. Like he's opening that, he goes, it's
a fucking barely legal porn magazine. No, I don't love that.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
No, I like a barely legal that's probably walk in
a line. And that tells me a little bit of something.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
I don't know. Charlie ever go to it. Did he
or a? I mean, I'm not saying he didn't.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
I'm not trying to accuse him not opening up the case,
but I would imagine. Okay, so now it's time for
him to start relapsing.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
So everything's going great and he's, you know, his show
is going really well, and he says, which is something
I've heard in recovery a million times, He's like, I
was starting to feel squirrely, not comfortable, super comfortable, and
so I start taking pills and he starts taking bike
it in and he even says, he's like, listen.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
It's usually the way people get hooked on.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Pills, especially when you're in recovery arts with some kind
of pain that you could probably deal with with, you know,
tayl and all Radville. But he just says that he
negotiated in his head, like the hell out of it,
and he just rationalized, and yeah, I made It's real
talk from somebody in recovery. He's calling himself out. He's like,
I would play games in my head so that I

(22:18):
could just do what I wanted to do. Then the
pill I can start causing him to be like angry
because he's trying to he's like chasing that next high.
So he's now he's really irritable, like how am I
going to I because he's when he's not high, he's
not feeling good, so he's wanted.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
It's called snap aggression, as he says, that's the how
he put it. I do feel like some of this
is still a little team down on his end. I mean,
I don't know what else he can say, but it's
sort of like, yeah, I got a little grumpy off
the pill, you know. And it's like the other side
of that when I see Denise, which we're maybe not
there yet, but when I see her in tears and
saying how horrible it was that she can't even find

(22:56):
the words how horrible it was to deal with him.
It makes me a little mad that he could just
be really really cute and be like, yeah, I really
needed that viganin all right, you know it is totally
oh like, it makes me mad.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Also this part sucked too, because she says she's like, yeah,
so I reached out to his sponsor and I was like,
something's going on, and then everybody just gas lit her. Yeah,
like what exactly, stop it, crazy lady. You know what,
you're permonal. You're probably having some postpartum nonsense, you know,
you the ladies. He's great, and she says that she

(23:28):
felt like people were trying to pit them against each
other because they all have financial interest in Charlie. Sheen
doing well, that's right, but then he physically harmed her. Yes,
he threatened her life.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
I mean, this is the kind of stuff I just
can't and it's like but like it oh yeah, him
just going like, yeah, I got a little snappy, and
that's funny. The thing that happens when you're on the pills,
and you know, I wish and I know that I
can't get inside his body and make him feel emotions
because I don't know what he feels. You know, I
have to trust what he's saying. But I wish there'd

(23:59):
been more that he showed there. I wish he'd like
broken down a little bit of like I can't. I
threatened my the mother of my children's you know, I
physically harmed her, Like I don't care if I you know,
my addiction isn't like that. That's just I am so
lucky every day that she forgave me me right, And
I didn't really feel that from him, as charming as

(24:21):
he is, and I felt it from it.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
And she had a really hard time. Yeah, no, she's
got some fucked up.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Shit too, but she she's really Yeah, I just I
kind of cried when she cried.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
She says it was horrible, but she also says that
she just like the way she got through it was
having a sense of humor.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, it made her stronger. And then they have an
interview with Lola, Lola who says, like, you know, I.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Was really young at the time, but you know, I
was not told everything, and I wanted to have a
relationship with him but I didn't right, which was sad.
That was kind of sad, and I wrote here that
we have to remember Lola's actually, yes, she is fucked
up and weirdly very religious and she found religion and

(25:12):
Sammy's well that was yes, but that was.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Her way of being in a chaotic, crazy thing and
sort of Alex p keatoning, she just got under the
wrong She got like a you know, a bad preacher.
She turned to religion for like a little bit of
like a compass, and unfortunately she chose a bad compass.
He's telling her bad things and Brooke Mueller, Oh my god, Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
How do we deal with this?

Speaker 2 (25:38):
I think it's okay to say that she doesn't seem
doing like she's doing great. I mean they say it later.
Charlie says she's on her own path and she'll get there.
Like he kind of addresses it. Yeah, she seems out
of it. She's like chewing gum.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
In her interview, She's like, yeah, like I really loved him,
like I loved him in Dirty Day Dancing because like
growing up, like I was a dancer, so that was
like so cool.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
And the producer's like, yeah, he wasn't in Dirty dancing.
She's like, now, well.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Whatever, yeah, you know, she's pretty fucked up, Like she's not,
I mean, she doesn't have the kids, like he took
control of the kids. Like she's she's on her she's
doing whatever she's doing. She showed up for the interview,
and I did get the sense when he talked about
her versus Denise, even he was madly in love with Brooke. Brooke,
for whatever reason, was the one for him, and I

(26:31):
feel like, I don't.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
I wonder.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I wonder if it's because she herself was more chaotic
and he was drawn more to that than Denise, probably,
even though Denise has a little bit of that too,
like she was still a little bit more like like
I want to do everydy things. I want to be
in my sweats and just be around our kids. Brooke
was like much more wild, you know. So I just
got the sense, and then I felt again like poor

(26:55):
fucking Denise, what does she have to do to be
the one that he's like that's my biggest regret.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
I know.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
It's like with the kids though it's like Amelia, it's
like Lola, Like do I have to just be super
fucked up to get him to like loll.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Me, but kind of yes, it seems like somehow so
she that was that was a lot. But he says
about her, He's like, I just really dug her energy.
So then they get married. How many weddings is that now?
Or at least engagements because he was married to the
woman at the very beginning where they went to Tokyo
or they took a flight right, was married Johnny's and

(27:28):
then brook right, and there was another one she There's
been other engagements throughout, which is funny they have they
mentioned like, oh and then I was engaged. I could
look it up, but definitely there was more than just
these marriages, all right, So she's.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Just gotten divorced when they meet and then he's I mean,
he's not say her during this part, but he's like, yeah,
it was really old fashioned, you know, like we just
we hung out and then we hung out like a
little bit later.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
I just really dug her spirit.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
I dug her like I loved her energy, her cracked
out drug addicted energy.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Because and then John Cryer's like, yeah, so I couldn't
go to the wedding, but my wife did. And my
wife was like, I have some concerns. And then the
wife reported back to him that Martin Sheen stood up,
made a toast and said, yeah, I hope you two
know what you're doing, and then sat down. Yes, that
was it. Yeah, so that they had a couple of kids. Yeah,

(28:25):
they have twins. They had twin boys who were to
part with helms, which I remembered.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I remembered that at the time that they had hearty
genial heart issues.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
So he gets mad.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
He's kind of mad because he's like, like, the show
wouldn't shut down for a little bit. You know, my
kids were in the hospital, and I'm having to go
to the hospital and learn learn all my lines, constantly
calling to talk to my wife to find out how
our kids are doing. I thought that was a little
bit shitty TV kind of you know. I think that

(28:55):
happens all the time.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
I think that's like, yeah, I agree with you, but
I just think maybe it stood out because it's a
guy that for once had had a thing. Women have
to give birth, They basically come back the next day
they're on a show, and that's the schedule, and that's
what ad you know how I mean, you know, maybe
me take a little time off. But it's also Charlie's version.
So what is he What did he want from Chuck Lory? Well,
Chuck Laurie is not great. Let's just say that, like

(29:19):
Chuck Laurie is not he was a really bad addict himself.
He was probably I didn't know that. Oh yeah, I
didn't know that Chuck Lory is a nightmare. Yeah no,
I've heard he's a nightmare. But I'm just saying like,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
So you can see him being like, no, fuck you.
We're shooting a show like there's a lot of money involved.
Let's let's just acknowledge that Hollywood is pretty self important,
right and money focused, So you could see why he.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Would just be getting pissed. And he's also a freaking
crack addict, right, So he'd been sober, so he tells us.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Okay, so they he says, this is where basically he's
gonna start doing crack again. He'd been cracked free for
nine years. Yes, and Brooke was in the bathroom with
a friend doing coke, which is does not make me
like Brook very much. They have two, you know, heart.
I mean, I understand I'm not a fan of Brook.
If I'm honest, I never have been but whatever. So

(30:17):
they're doing all that and he's like, oh, and he's
all pissed off, so he wants part of it.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
He's right, well, he's knocking at the door.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
She's in the she's in there with a friend, you know,
doing coke or whatever.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
And then he says like, what are you doing in there?

Speaker 3 (30:32):
And she's like, don't be a party pooper. And he's like, listen,
if you're gonna do this shit in my house, you're
going to do it proper. And then we're off. And
then the next thing is two thousand and nine Aspen, Colorado.
They go to their like vacation house, and then we've
got Brooke calling nine one one and saying, Charlie Sheen's

(30:52):
like attacking her.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
I'll never forget that. She she calls it. She doesn't
sound that great, you know when she calls. We heard
the nine one one call, and she's like, yeah, it's
Charlie Sheen and he held a knife and he's kept
me and I believe that story happened. Believe it, yeah,
but they're both trying to say it didn't. She's kind
of girling again.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
This was so I thought that this seems so obvious
because Brooke is drunk and on drugs and she's telling
the producer.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
The producer's like, so you had to.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Recant your story, and she's like, well, yeah, because he
was going to get in a lot of trouble. But
also which he she does say in a minute, She's like,
but also I can't really say what happened because I
was fucked up on a ton of drugs. So she's
gonna have her kids taken.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Away, right, Yeah? They both are. Yeah, so they if
they look into it, if she makes this accusation and
they look into the story, they're going to find out
that they're both doing a ton of drugs and she
doesn't want her kids taken away at this point, right, Yeah,
Charlie does. This is not great on Charlie.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
He's like, yeah, obviously I have my part in it,
and like I've you know, paulogized and talked about it
over and over, but I wish it could have stayed
between us.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Oh really.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Wish other people didn't have to know that I like
threatened to kill her. So this is the beginning, sort
of of the end. Yeah, He's like, we're all blocked out.
I don't know, man, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
That's her story to tell, Like he's they're all right
now by the way, which we'll get to, yeah, but
I just wrote, yeah, I think he did these things.
He definitely did these things. But she says that she's
like she's now saying it's actually not fair to Charlie
to make those accusations, like that's his whole personality.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
And she says, because he has substance abuse and that's
what kind of tore them apart. So it seems a
lot of people are acknowledging that Charlie Sheen on drugs
is a total is a different person and if he
could just stay most.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Of the time. But so so then so Chuck Laury
is like, you better.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
So this is around when Tiger Woods makes a very
like sincere quote unquote apology, and so Chuck's like, you
need to do that, and he's like, fuck, no, no,
I don't because I feel like Charlie's sort of saying,
I didn't even do the thing. You weren't there, you
don't know, you're not. I'm not gonna you're not gonna
get that out of me. So he's getting mad, like
he's really really getting mad.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
But they say probably this probably did contribute to later
to the end of the relationship because Chuck has like
no control over him at this point, right right, Charlie,
He's like, no doing that, So.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Less Moonbez who by the way, I'm interviewed by the way,
he came into KCLA for some reason. Oh, he's a
big he's a big time player. He was the head
of CBS. He comes over to his house and he's like,
you either go to rehab or were canceling the show,
And Charlie's like, called his bluff. Got my agent said,
not only did they not cancel the show? Did and
also did I not go to rehab? I got two
million an episode? Yeah, because his contract was up. So

(33:49):
in typical Charlie Sheen bullshit life, nothing bad ever happens
and watch this watch and then he gets like the
biggest contract to date, and poor John.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
On Crier is so bad. He's just like, what the fuck?
It's this. It's the classic thing that we've been the
theme that he's like, wait, so I'm the good one.
I don't get arrested for trying to kill my wife
and I'm making like a quarter of the money.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
This guy's I think it's a third he said, third
of Charlie money.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
And he's like, what came well that kid?

Speaker 3 (34:21):
And Charlie Sheen is like, yeah, that was way too
much money to be paying me.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
And Denise goes back to Nie, she goes, why do that?
Why get him that? I give him that? Why are
you doing this? And then Charlie because he didn't care,
because Charlie Sheen was like, well, fuck all, y'all, I
don't care. I don't I don't need to be doing
a TV show and they're like, yes, you're.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Doing this either. Charlie in the interview blames He just
basically blames the suits. He's like, well, they're the fault
for my relapse. No, you are, Yes, they gave you
a bunch of money. I don't know why people keep
giving you a pass and that's in every part of
your life, but don't I just don't like that, Like, well,
they gave it to me, so what am I gonna do?

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Not do? Crack? Of course, I am true, it's crazy.
I'm Charlie Sheen true. But it is interesting that they
refuse to give him any consequences, Like.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
What if you nobody got out of control? Why would
you give him the highest deal in history. They're all
fucking money hungry, That's what it is. They're all like,
none of them have good intentions. None of these people
right agree with that.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
So then I can't read what I wrote, crazy neighbor.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
So this is where we enter this guy, this like
this drug dealer who's just gotten out of.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Jail that we so we meet him. He uses a
fake name and then Charlie outs his name. That really
made me laugh. He's like, yeah, Marco, and then it
goes back, it goes to Charlie a little and he goes, yeah,
it was William's phil oh.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I were calling him Marco and they just left that
in out this.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Guy who's not He's like yeah, man, like you know,
I just got out of prison and whatnot, and like,
you know, I didn't really want to get in trouble again.
I was like I need to live, like I need
to like get my life in order, like live a
good life.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Why wait, Charlie Sheen, he's a big star. There's a
lot of money.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Wait really quick before we get to that. I just
want to throw This really made me laugh. When John
was getting upset, He's like all the shit was going
on in the news, Like Charlie would just be hanging
out and then somebody like his Mercedes went over a
cliff and I'm like, oh, no, is he gonna show
up to set?

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Did he die in that Mercedes?

Speaker 2 (36:17):
And he just shows up. No, doesn't even mention it, like, hey,
what happened. He's like, someone stole my Mercedes and drove
it over a cliff. And then he's like and then
it happened again. Through John Criers was like, man twice,
why he just wants to show up and do his
job and go home to his family. Yes, but he can't. Sorry,
I may have skipped I may have skipped something.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, I wasn't there yet, but it doesn't matter. It's
all it's all his like downfall. So drug dealer guy,
drug dealer Phil is like.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
You know what, sometimes like we would just oh Charlie
tells us this about about his budding relationship with his
drug dealer.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
He's like, yeah, man, like sometimes we would just like
hang out all night, just like a normal like fun night,
just like watching movies and having snacks, but like super high.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
But I'd give him fifty thousand dollars too. Yes, kind
of a session. Yes, and at one point Denise, he
gets so high that like Denise comes over thinking like okay,
remember that's and I think John Crier was there, right,
so like what do we do?

Speaker 1 (37:14):
He's so fucked up? What are we gonna do? And
she's like, well, I have sandwiches.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, So basically he's still showing up. The problem was
he's like on Fridays when they go to tape this,
she's not showing up for rehearsals. But come tape day,
he's showing up and he knows his lines. But everybody's
like it's starting to come on glued, and they would
make Denise go to his house to check on him
and see if he's still alive. And this is me,

(37:39):
that'd be a bunch of hookers.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, she says, we're saying hookers because she said hookers.
We know that we don't say that word now, but.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, this is how she's kind of making light of it.
She's she's very woke, but even she's saying this, but
she's like the one She's like, yeah, so I was
like making a bunch of sandwiches and John Cryer is like,
what are you doing? She's like, holy, hasn't Eyton making sandwiches,
and she goes, yeah, I could like and all the
and then John goes, well are you making them sandwiches?

(38:07):
She goes, yeah, what am I going to say? Sorry?

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Because of what you do for a living, you don't
get one of my white trash mayo, mustard, turkey, cheese,
lettuce and tomato sandwiches.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Wasn't gourmet? I mean to me, yeah, they it was.
Oh she's so I love her.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I want her in my life, except I just don't
want the guys that she chooses to come along.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
But I just love it.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
But again, I just wrote, yeah, these there, that's a
real pick me girl situation too.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
I'm going to be the one. I'll be the one
with the sandwiches. Brooke doesn't know how to make a sanwnch.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
It felt like, yeah, an a friend, I don't know.
Brook's still going to get chosen. Whoever's the craziest is
who he wants. I promise you, Denise.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
So then the next part is so we needed more attention,
I think.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
So they talk about these things are starting to unravel
and uh, and John Cryer's like, listen, there's a lot
of things all about his life. I'll never understand, but
it's starting to like show. The cracks are showing. Charlie's
now coming to work high all the time, and everyone's worried.
Then there's a scene where a doctor Nassef calls nine

(39:10):
one one and he's like, uh, my name is doctor Nassef.
Uh and my neighbor. My neighbor is like called me
and he's like in a lot of pain and it's
like a whole weird call and it's Doc, It's Paul Nassef.
You got yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, of course. Adrian,
Adrian Maloof and Paul and doctor Paul.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I love.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
I don't love him. You don't other reasons he was
pretty awful to her, they were. He's got his own accusations,
mister Nassf. I mean he's not the worst of one.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Watching Beverly Hill's Housewives when they were married, she seemed
horrible to him. Yeah, I think it was. I think
they were equally not great.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
But you know, we'll never no, no until I move
in with him, which I will. But this is where
things get crap. Party for Days, batchyhappened. He's talking about
how it's like I was doing like five rocks. I
mean he's and Sean pen does say, and I thought
this was interesting where he's like, I just think his
like biology is different. He is a different chemical reaction,

(40:09):
and I do believe that's true. For whatever reason, he
is built in such a way that he can he
can survive these drugs until he can't, until he can't.
But like he's almost seventy, right, he kind of survived.
He kind of Keith Richards himself out this life. And
like even if he died now, which I hope he doesn't,
I think he has some time ahead of him. Like

(40:30):
he's still survived all, I mean, more than anybody could
do once. He did every day, right, and that's crazy.
But this is where this is the worst part. He
starts going totally crazy.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
And this is when Alex Jones and this is where
he calls Chuck am Hiam Levine or what I am.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Levine, Like that's his real name, that's his real name.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
So he's he's making an anti Semitic And people might ask, like,
you know, listen, we know what the dog whistle sounds
like as Jews, I can say I do, so it
wasn't your Well, what's wrong with saying his real name first?
Of all, I don't even think that is his full
part of it is. But I don't think the high
I think that's his Hebrew name. Yeah, it's his Hebrew name.
Like that he had said as a joke, you know,
like in a yeah, in an episode or something, but

(41:14):
he was saying it in a way that was not
meant to be.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
No, he was totally out of his mind. He rans
on Alex Jones. He's like and he has started taking
like high amounts of testosterone.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Like triple the amount, but drupled the amount that you're
supposed to have. And that you can see that he
like rips his shirt off and is like all built
and crazy all of a sudden, because.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
The normal and normal t level is like seven hundred,
and he's like, I think he was at four thousand. Yes, yeah,
so this this is the winning tiger blood.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
You know, that's right.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
But he has this moment where he says that he
was he was angry. He was just really angry. He
has these failed marriages, he can't do it right, He's
got all these kids, and he says, I was just
like feeling shitty about myself.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
And also he's just a fucking drug addict.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
And also he's got you know, I don't know, Yeah,
like he feels bad. A lot of people feel bad
about their lives and then don't do a bunch of
crack and then say anti Semitic things on Alex Jones.
So it's a truth, like how far underneath. I don't
believe he believes that. I really believed him when he
said he's not they were going to address that in
a second. I do, But I also I am like, I
don't give him a.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Whole lot of I just a lot of people get
real fucked up and don't say things like that. Or
you know, he's also got kids.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
They can't count on them five kids at this point,
you know, he had the two sons and then three. Yeah,
he has a lot of kids that he's not taken
care of.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
And it's just like family has four. I think he has.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
He's well, well, Denise has one more that I think
she adopted. I think her name's Eloise. Yes, she's special needs,
but that might have been after the fact. It was
so he's not. Yeah, he's not feeling great. All this
is so finally after the I Am living thing, Chucklerry's like, Okay,
you're out yeah, that's enough, you're fired. And uh so

(43:06):
he's like goes even extra crazy, like winning didn't like
it was above that.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
I was above that show. Never thought it was funny. Yes,
And he.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Starts doing these weird like something about like the Warlock
out of Calabasas and whatever. He's like doing lives.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Sword, Yeah, and he's got a sort he brings to
the balcony and then then warlocks are getting upset and
they're going.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
On like the he does not a warlock. He does
not represent what we believe we are kind people. Did
you see the like nervous Yes, yes, yes, came out
and he's just loving it.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
So he's just yeah, he thinks he's his blood is
made of something else.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
And then he has.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
This twenty twenty interview with Andrea Kanning where she's just like, hey,
so like a lot of people think you're back on drugs,
and he's like.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, yeah, I am on drug. A drug it's called
Charlie Sheen.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
And his eyes are hold crazy because their skin will
melt off.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
He's but he does. Yeah, it's funny even in these times.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
But I have to agree with you that because you
said this last time that you know, it seems sort
of like a lot of it's undiagnosed maybe bipolar.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Like, it seems pretty obvious to me. I think it is.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah, I agree. And sometimes you have drug induced bipolar too.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
That's a thing. You can have drug induced mental illness
for sure, or.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
You're using it drugs, you're using it to push down
whatever you're feeling from the mental illness, and then it's
just becomes a cycle perpetuating itself.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, like yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
That's but he was saying like, yeah, I mean I
can do seven gram rocks, which, by the way, Marco,
his drug de was like, yeah, no, I've seen it.
I can see the amount he ingested. He's like, you
mean Phil Marko was like, hey, I thought we said
we're not gonna call me Phil a fuck.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
So Andrew again, he's like, well, how could you handle
seven grams? And he's like, because I'm me, I'm Charlie Sheen,
I have tiger blood.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
That's probably not wrong.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
You know what, I'm gonna go ahead and say I
think he might have tiger blood. Yeah, I think he's
proven that. So then Brooke, Uh, that's.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
A straining order on him, right, right, And then uh,
Denise has to take custody of the twins for a
year because.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
They're what am I going to let him go to foster? Yeah,
she's fucked up. So Denise is a fucking angel, she
really is. I love her so much. So then uh,
then they ask in the documentary, okay, well we have
some questions about this, like are you anti Semitic? And
he's like no, what's he going to say? Like a
little bit, what's your last name? But he's like, no,

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why would I be? Which is trying. He was saying like, yeah,
look at all the Jewish people that gave me millions,
you know, gave me my life.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Right, I don't think he I don't think he is.
I really don't you know that.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I would be the first to call that out, but
I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
It was just crack induced but still not great. So
at this point, instead of anybody putting a stop to it,
which I guess they couldn't, these guys from like Live
Nation are like, hey, oh it would be a super
good idea. Let's take this on the road. It's not
going to help.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
And he's like, okay, he's being, like Denise said, being
propped up like Weekend on Bernie's, which he really was.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
They literally show that it's.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
So sad, like he's this fucked up, he's got whatever,
but they're like.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Yeah, yeah, let's make it a show.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, And to his credit, he's like what what the
what don't show?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Am I going to do? And they're like, I got it?

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I got it has this sound torpedoes of truth. Man,
you're gonna just yeah, you're gonna just tell the truth,
talk about your tiger blood. And he's like all right,
it's like we're gonna the world loves you because you're
a truth teller.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
And he's like, am I though, all right?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
No one reminds me of Anna Nicole, Like how fucked
up can you be?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
With?

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Like Anachole Smith? And are like, why don't we just
put it on? Why don't we just film it? I mean,
I'm not saying that they're responsible for the drugs that
she took, but like the circus that became that, it's like,
what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, I couldn't even watch it, even when we were
all watching stuff. I used to love watching Celebrity Rehab.
I'm very glad that they don't have it on now.
I think it would be really difficult now to watch, but.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I mean it was. It was Did you ever watch
that show? Yeah, of course it was hard. Not it's
hard not to do this train wreck, but yeah, with her,
I was just like.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
A lot of those people died, I know, like a
real high percentage.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah, Charlie's he's on this thing. He's by winning.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
He's just gone. Nuh, he's off the rails the most.
He's been not doing well.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
But then he's not feeling well. Yeah, really not feeling well.
Everyone's worried he's going to die. But then Denise tells
us he got real sick, and he thought he was
just like detoxing from crack, but it turns out he's
got HIV.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
So and he got lucky that he got so sick
because he was an exposure and if you're I think
you know, they say, if you're exposed early on, you
get that real, real sick in this headaches. So he
was able to catch it right, And because he's he is, like,
you know, privileged, he's able to afford Thank god that
they have these kind of drugs now, but he was

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able to afford them before people were even talking about
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah, and he was able to make it undetectable. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
But during this part he says, he's like, yeah, so
I find out an HIV positive. You would think, you know,
I should have become like a vegetarian, but I became
a cracketarian.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Yeah. So even though he's like on these drugs for
his HIV, he just starts, he just goes full on.
He's doing way more crack.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
And that is when and I think we talked about
this last time because we thought it was so interesting.
That's when the drug dealers like they're all like, what
are we going to do? And they have him like
make the crack weaker.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Weaker and weaker each time, to the point where he's like,
I didn't even want to do this anymore. He didn't
know it was we crack. He was just like, well,
and then that worked. It got him off the crack.
Just amazing.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Yeah, he's like, well, I don kind of bother anymore. Yeah.
I really liked that.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
And then we went back to John Cryer for a
second and he's like, yeah, I guess we're all complicated.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
He's still like shaking, he just is not He's like, yeah,
near by, are we in the same like, where is
he right now? Yeah, poor Ducky.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Now, I do want to point out just because I'm
a I know all this. You know, I love to
keep tabs on Ducky. You know, I'm obsessed with all that.
They didn't like him on the set of Pretty Pretty
in Pink either, Like apparently according to Ducky, Molly and Andrew.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Were very nice to him.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
So some of sometimes I'm like, maybe a little bit
with him, maybe he's a little annoying. I'm not trying
to take Charlie's side because I could totally relate to
what John Cryer is saying, but also like, eh.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
I will say I will say about John Cryer a
little a quick little story. One time, many years ago,
my kids were in a at a local like Halloween
carnival type thing, and they had corn maize and the
kids could not find their way out, and they asked.
They didn't know who John Cryer was, obviously, but there

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was a guy and a woman and they were like, uh,
we can't find our way out, and John Cryer helped
them to the John Cryer and his wife helped them
find their way out and then help them find like
their parents.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
That's adorable. Their parents. I wasn't there. I was just
gonna say, wait, did I miss that part of the
story because I wasn't there. It was John.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
So John was with them, so that is so cute.
I know, and he says they were really really nice.
I would have been kids, this is apply. I would
have been like, these are my kids, Appliance and Blaine,
just to see if you like got and be like, yeah,
I get it. You don't have to make a pretty
pink comment all the time.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Well.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
The weird thing is that John Cryer then was like, wow,
that was pretty irresponsible, Like and I've had a lot
of irresponsible people in my life, and I'm gonna have
to have all child protective services. And then my kids
got taken away, which was like not how I And
they're still with John pryor or with Denise. Now Denise
is like, I'll take them. I'll just take them. So
she's like, I make a really good sandwich, I'll take him.

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So then the next year's crazy.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Okay, I I have a lot to say about I
got to get myself situated. So I love that the
director brought this up, like we need to talk about
Corey Ham.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, did you have sex with Corey.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
I mean it's basically like, did you antally rape Corey
Ham on the set of Lucas, which, by the way,
Corey Haym was fourteen. Now, that was a rumor that
was mostly begun by Corey Feldman, Rajiam's bestie back in
the day. And I do want to say two things.
Corey Feldman is batshit crazy and that is just the truth.
And I know people I will stand by that because

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I know people who know him pretty well. Right, it's crazy,
I mean, of whatever the word we want to use
if we don't want to say crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
But he's bad shit.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
I mean, really has got a lot of shit going on.
But he has not been so much. He's not really
been a liar.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Really hasn't. The names he named when he started naming names,
and he did a big to do about it, go
on my Patreon and you know who can blame them.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
He wants money, I'll name it on my Patreon. But
then he did a big movie where he was going
to name names, and every name was It turned out
to kind of be true.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
There were investigations done. One was I don't remember their names.
They were all like producers and agents and types, but
he named the people he that molested them, and I
think some of them were already in trouble, but some
of them were like investigated. Like he's not making it
doesn't seem to make shit up. Does Michael Jackson inhab
the ghost of Michael Jackson inhabit his body? No, that
seems made up. That part is crazy.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
But when he's talking about the molestation, and as I've said,
like after watching the Michael Jackson stuff, although it is
weird that he defended Michael Jackson, because he did, he
was one of those is like he never.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Did it to me, Yeah, totally defended Michael Jackson and
said the other people were lying to McCauley.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
So to McCauley, who McAuley didn't say the other people
were lying, but he was like, and I do believe
that Michael Jackson didn't molest McCauley and Corey, so that's
probably a very confusing friendship for them, right, they're like,
that's weird, But a lot of the people that Corey
talked about did turn out to be true, so I
just don't.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Know why now.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I will also say that Corey Hame and this is
mentioned his mother, Judy and for those who I know
Koreym passed away years ago. Uh, Judy Hame adamantly denies
that it was she. She says it happened that he
got molested, but he says she says it was not Charlie, she.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Says, and we don't know why she says this, but
she says it couldn't have. There's reasons that it absolutely
couldn't have been him.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
I mean, I wish she would just name if she
knows who it was. I wish she would name him.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
But maybe she just doesn't want to open up something
when he's no longer with us. Maybe she doesn't want
him his memory. But if it were me and I
was the mom, I'd want whoever did that to my
son right, you know, in trouble. But she really genuinely
does not believe that it was Charlie. But when asked,
when the documentary and asked, I was unsure, how did

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you feel about his response?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
You know I did.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Okay, here's the thing. I believed him because he was
so adamant about it, and there's a lot there's other
things that people tried to accuse him of that did
kind of turn out to be I think false.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
And also this is the rea.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
This is my reason for mixed feelings. Corey Hame never
didn't say it, only Corey Feldman said it, which is
like you can't really go okay, well then he's guilty
when Corey Hamme didn't sit it. Now, is it possible
that Corey ham told Corey Feldman? And just like you know,
a lot of people don't want to have to come
out and report that.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Also also, if it did happen, I mean, what did
the what did the producer think that he's just going
to be like, yeah, you got me.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
The way that he reacted to that was different, Like
he was asked a question later where I believed him
and I don't. We'll maybe get to that, but he
was asked something and he was like the way he
said it, I believed him, and on this the way
he said it was like if you were Maybe it's
just because it's such a horrific question, because there's like
a difference between him trying to hide like okay, now
I have sex with guys and whatever, which we talked about,

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like is gross that people are trying to blackmail him
for that because like, as he said, I love that
he owns it. Yeah, fucking have the other side of
the menu. Do whatever you want, But when you're talking
about a fourteen year old child, you know that's not
something he's going because he even said, there's a lot
of stuff I buried, there's a lot of stuff that
I did that I just can't.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
I'm going to say that it is possible that it happened.
I'm certainly not going to sit here and go like,
absolutely he did not. We'll never and we'll never know
and you will never know.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
So I can only take I can't. I can't say like, well,
he's a raped a child.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
I don't. I don't know that. I don't know that
he did.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
There's there's it's it's hard. It's really hard because obviously
he's not great. He's he's done horrible things.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean who I mean he is saying, yeah,
he's not going to say it. There's no world they
had to address it and he's not going to say it,
and that's all we know. It's possible that he didn't
do it and was just disgusted, and you know it
was like, yeah, man, Feldman, that goes I'm not even
going to give that freak and Corey Felman is a freak.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
He's like, I'm not even I don't even give him
time a day. That's so fucking crazy. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I'm actually going to Corey Feldman's because he loves to
talk after anything happens.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
You know, he loves to comment. So let me just
look at a story real quick.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Okay, well, i'll keep us I'll just keep us moving
while you're doing that. All but yeah, all that stuff happens,
and I it's funny. I wrote this as a note
to myself, and I forgot about it. I wrote after
the mom came out and said it's impossible and it's
a work of fiction. And I was like, I think
I believe him, but I'm going to pause this and

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ask John. And then I wrote, never mind, John's asleep,
John fall asleep, And we wrote all that I did
because I was trying to talk to John and he
was like not answering me. So now there's a scene
where a girl friend of Charlie Sheen's tries to sue
him for exposing her to HIV right and the protect

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He says that he always wore condoms. His level was undetectable,
blah blah blah, and then he tells us this, which
was some tea. He says that some of these women
would go into the drawers in his bathroom and then
take photographs of his meds, which he says are only
for one thing, and then he would blackmail him.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
I think that was men and women that were doing that. Yeah,
like he was saying.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
So they would take pictures of all of the drugs,
so they were going to out him for having AIDS
or being HIV positive. And this is where he talks
about how he had to pay out millions of dollars.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah, when the person one or a million.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yeah, like just one girl alone was five hundred thousand,
just to just to get on top of it, just
to get it.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Yeah, But then he can't save this, which I think
is interesting. He's trying to claim that he people knew
that he had it. And also he says, listen, and
after all of this, there's one person who is HIV
positive out of all of this, and it's me. So

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I'm not lying. I didn't give it to anybody. That's
the part that I believed.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
That's different because they are two very uncomfortable things to
talk about and in that sense.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
He really really believed what he was saying.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I believed him, and that's why it stood out that
Corey Haim just again, it might have just because it
was so uncomfortable to talk about, but it just dies
it's something I didn't believe.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I don't know, I couldn't put my finger on it,
but I was.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Like, ah, well, here's the part where the producer thinks
it's such like a big moment, like, Oh, you're going
to come and talk about this stuff, and you know
you're going to say the thing, Well.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
They get everybody out of the room that you're talking about. Yeah,
But which is.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Just crazy to me because why And I'm just I
know I already said this yesterday, but I just want
to make this point one more time. What are we
as a society that the part about like abusing his
ex wives.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Is not nothing that you have to clear.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
The room for, but the fact that he touched another
man's penis is like, Okay, here's the part that could
change the way the world sees you.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I like, I like the idea that like you think
that that's what sex is. What if that's what you
always thought it was?

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Is Like, that's what you and John, do you just
touch his penis?

Speaker 3 (59:17):
I just will touch it sometimes, not with my hand,
like with a leaf.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
I'll just think about it. Bad thoughts, you know, Yeah,
but no, I one hundred percent agree on that.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
So he just I love the way he writes that
we're such a weirdly religious like that that that biblical,
like oh it's wrong, like what is wrong about that?

Speaker 2 (59:39):
But yet beating your wife is you know, I know,
And but I love how he owned this part of it.
And he's like, Okay, yeah did some stuff and I
I was some of it was really fun. And I'm
just like, it's so free to be able to be
like yeah, and so what so that was he handled
that well? Now he's eight years sober, as you said,

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and he doesn't do is this where we meet his kid,
his son, there's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
A second where's a point.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Okay, so there's a point though where he's kind of sober.
But and I just want to bring this up. Interesting
about this is like a sobriety thing. And this is
always catches me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
He says.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
He's like, yeah, so I was kind of sober. I
was like, you know, I'm not doing crack. I'm just
going to drink and then he says, but you know
I can't. It's gnarly. And this is where he says,
this is where he tells a story and I full
on cried. So I'm going to tell you what it was,
which is that he says, like, so I thought I
wasn't hurting anybody. I was like just drinking, and he goes,

(01:00:39):
but then one day, like I was drinking in the
morning and my daughter called Sammy and said she had
a hair appointment and it was like a little bit
far and he said, and I never drive drunk, like
he's admitting that in his mind, he was being very responsible.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yes, so Tony takes them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
He's like, hey, Tony, hey, Tony, listen, I had a
couple of pops this morning, and the can you drive
my can you help me drive my kid somewhere?

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
And he thinks he's doing like the right thing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
He's like, I was there, you know, I'm in the car,
and he goes, but like, I'm not driving, so I
can't see her in the rear view, but I kind
of catch glimpse of her. And she was like twelve
or thirteen, he said, she just was sitting there. She
was on a device, and she was just like just
kind of sitting there, and he's like, you know, probably wondering.

(01:01:28):
He says, why isn't this just like a mean dad thing,
Like why is there just this guy? Why is there
a guy here? And he goes, not that there's anything
wrong with Tony, don't start thinking anything.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
She's fine with Tony. She loves Tony. But he just started.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Thinking like I want to be the I want to
be their go to, Like I want to be safe
for them. And he said that he had this moment
where he was like, how can I ensure that that's
the case. How can I ensure that I have a
relationship with my kids and that they see me as
somebody like they can trust. And he said in the
ante was quick drinking, and he did started crying because

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that's how I got sober.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
That Tony took you to a hair appointment. Yeah, Tony
took you to a hair this time. So all this
time you've known Tony and you just didn't even mention
that he was a friend of yours when we talked
about him. Yeah, that I'm being serious. That is how
I got sober.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
I had this moment where I was just like I don't.
I want to be safe for my kids, and I
want to be I want to I don't ever want
alcohol to cause me to like make bad decisions, drive drunk,
be drunk in front of my kids ever. And I
just that's what I made. That's how I made the decision,
and I know that that is how people can make

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that decision. And I thought it was interesting that it
wasn't like this dark like he had so many bottoms,
so many horrible consequences, and in the end it was like,
I'm going to choose. I don't want to be this guy.
I have a relationship with my kids, and that's what
he did, right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Yeah, And so then his it shows one of his
sons with Brooke has come to live. I love his
relationship with this kid. I love it. They're so fucking
funny to me, the way he's like, oh, fuck yourself,
like he overly eats the last cookie and cookie, I
think he's being so funny. That's how my kids.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Yeah, for god, my kids we call these other cunts
we have like, it's very funny.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
I was totally relating. This is probably why I like
him now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
I mean, like it's complicated, but I like that so much,
and I think I love that this kid. I don't
know where the other son is, but he just maybe
wasn't in the documentary, but he turned out. He's playing guitar.
He seems really nice. You know, he could be some
kind of Hollywood kid dick, and he's just not. He's
nice to the documentarian. He loves his dad. I just
I really really enjoyed seeing that because that's that speaks

(01:03:58):
to Charlie as well now, being a good dad. And
he's so kind, and I mean, why wouldn't he be
the way he speaks about Brooke and Denise, but mostly Brooke,
but he's like, you know, Brook's really great when she's
sober too.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
This is what he's what he said. I thought this
was a really poignant line.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
I wrote it down, he says, and we talked about
part of this quote earlier. But she says, yeah, she
chased the dragon a little longer than she should have,
but she started to see that if you keep trading
people for drugs, at some point, you're just left with
the drugs, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
But he also makes it clear that she I mean,
he makes it a point to not say that she
is sober now, but he's like, but she'll get you know,
her journeys on her path.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
And then Brook's Brooke talks about how supportive he is
and that she's that during a lot of like rough
moments where she was not great and really yeah, that
he supported her. He was the protector, which is very sweet. Again,
Denise is like, yeah, what about my sandwich? Is why

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this one? She can barely sit up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
You know what I mean? Like it's just so many
people competing for his love.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
But it was very sweet and I really love that
and I like that he loved her. Yeah, and Sean
penn is somehow back. We're almost done, but be he
somehow back kind of just saying, oh, oh, this is
actually really nice. He's like talking about the kids and
he's like, yeah, I mean these kids, the first person
they call is Charlie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
When they need something, it's Charlie. Maybe it's Charlie has
said this, but I thought that was very sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
He wants to be sure that when they need something
that that's there, that he's Oh no, one of the
kids says it. Maybe it's it might be Lola that
says it. Like that's who I call, That's that's the
first person. And I love that, and I love that
Denise still loves I love all the supporting players. I
love everybody that's you know, everybody that kept him alive.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Really yeah, and then we end with the fact that
he says he and his dad are really close.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Again, and then they just throws Amelia throws a chair
like then they're like, Amelio, can you just please we
have five minutes left. Amelio has his car like pushed
off a cliff, and he's like, what do I have
to do to like get some attention around here?

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
He's doing Craig goes, I'll do crack. Yeah, Hey, Denise, John,
you guys want to do crack.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
We'll do crack.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Let's see, let's see how far we get. But yeah, yeah,
the sweet sweet Martin Sheen. And also let me remind
everybody what a good looking family. That's what I take
out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I love how they put They put in a scene
where Martin Sheen and Charlie Sheen are acting together because
Martin Sheen wouldn't be in the documentary, so they have
to have a scene city Yeah, okay, where, yes, where
Martin Sheen is saying, son, you know, proud of you?
And I was like Yeah, it's really sweet and like
chook me up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
But also it's funny that they had to only use
acting stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
I know, well, Martin's probably if he watches it at all,
it's probably like, oh god, yep, because they're having some
issues with him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
So that does give me pause. And I just want
to say that one last time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
I loved it. I love the documentary. I'm rooting for
Charlie Sheen. I think at the most he's like, you know,
we're all complicated, but he's better than he's not good,
you know, you know, more good than bad in there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I hope he seems pretty cool and I'm scared for
whoever didn't do the documentary if he were to turn
on them again.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Also, he shot Kelly Preston but anyway, Oh, also he
shot Ramon at the end. I wasn't eve gonna mention
that because we're kind of out of time, but he
did come in and she's like, oh, sorry, it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Was a fucking accident.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Was in my I did crack my fault, my bad,
and Ramon did not seem to care.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
He was like, you're so funny, You're so cute. So
that's our shop. Yeah, I hope you guys liked it.
It was a little nice, little uh surprise for you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
And if you didn't listen to part one, go back
because there's so If you think that was a lot,
we get into even more in part one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
If this Charlie Sheen did, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
All right, thanks everybody, and we'll be next week. I
think Golden Bachelor starts. Yeah, pretty soon.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
I'm going to make fun of in the best way.
All right, Yeah, we got we got you. Bye guys,
bye o.