The George Janko Interview

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Did I make a mistake? Andrew Tate, That was crazy.
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All right, let's jump into this conversation with George Jenko.
Long time in the making. I'm so glad, so glad we've been
able to do this. Thank you for for carving out
time. You're about to go on tour.
You got a lot going on and you came all the way to Vista, CA to
hang out with me bro. Yeah, thank you for picking me
up at the airport. I really.
Appreciate that. That was fun, man.
I'm glad we got to got to hang alittle bit.

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So I, I, I'm just going to acknowledge this and then we're
going to move on. You went from being on one of
the biggest podcast in the worldas a third chair to having one
of the biggest podcasts in the world.
And I'm just going to give you ahand clap.
You can't hear it, but I could hear it in my in ears.
It's clapping. Oh, thank.
You so much. George Janko.
The wonderful George Janko. I appreciate that.
I thank you so much. Bro, I'm again, first, let me

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just say I'm grateful for you, for you doing this, but
generally like you as a friend, you've been so helpful to me in
multiple ways behind the scenes that we're not going to get into
because I'll probably tear up. But you, you pick up when I call
and you've just been, you've just been like a good friend.
So I just want to honor you in that regard.
I appreciate. That man, thank you so much.
Yeah, you've been an amazing friend too, bro.

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And honestly, like when I I, I went to go start my own thing,
it was, you know, a little nervewracking.
Everybody had a news about my name, but every time I checked
in with you guys, because my momwould always text me, she's
like, listen, the way they speakabout you, they're so nice and,
and so like, and I, it was cool watching you guys, you know,
speak so much light over me and,and positivity and it, it meant

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a lot, you know, that those dayswere very dark and I didn't know
where to go, but it was cool that I got to see a few people I
never met, like believe in me. So it was a it was a cool
experience and you know, like all of the success that I have
is not mine. I mean, you guys know more than
anybody, but it's, I think my job right now is just to keep
myself humble and just keep working.
And whatever God wants to put infront of me.

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I I hope I hold it with sincerity and I don't just
become like a prideful or weird person.
Yeah, yeah, Amen. Well, man, honestly, the the
stuff I want to you just had an amazing pod drop with Jordan
Peterson. You got some amazing things out
of him. You've had incredible moments in
podcasting, and maybe we'll comeback to those.

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I I'm honestly curious about like your origin story.
I feel like you've shared a little bit about your story with
me behind the scenes. I don't know how how comfortable
you are sharing about like your life.
Yeah. Growing up some of the darker
sides of your life and and some of the, you know, street
elements type beat that you've, you know, been around.

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But yeah, just tell me like families of Syrian, your quarter
Armenian, which I'm gonna need you to own that Armenian a bit
more. Okay, shout out to my grandma.
Quarter Armenian and you grow upin the Arizona area.
Is that? Yeah.
So I was born in Chicago, but I was raised in Arizona.
OK. When did you come to Arizona
Whole? Like around four years old.
OK, so so so Arizona's been home.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
Yeah. That's why we I wanted to move
back just to be closer to my family.
Yeah, Mom and Dad married together.
Yeah, they were. They were like neighbors in
Iraq. And my dad was just always in
love with her. Like they were just like they
grew up. It was kind of, it's kind of
funny. Like imagine like in Iraq in a
whole different country and the way Assyrians are or like Greek

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or Italians, they will understand it's a very tribal or
like small town vibe. And but he loved her.
And then when they moved to Chicago, they were neighbors
again. And so like, I just think it
was, it was meant for them to betogether.
They were neighbors in Iraq. And then they moved.
And it separately. Both ended up moving to Chicago.

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Both of their families escaped. So they were both like there's a
bunch of people like living different places.
Like I know my dad had to go live in a different country by
himself when he was like in his teenagers.
So I I don't really know too much about that drama aspect of
whatever it was, but to me, I just find it kind of crazy that
I mean, think about like, God forbid we had to leave this

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country and then we still like, he lands next to the girl that
he was in love with. Yeah, in a different country.
And so, wow, I just feel like they're always meant to be
together. That's crazy.
So how old were they when they came to like when they landed in
Chicago? I think my mom was like 13.
So they were like, in love with each other when they were like
babies. Wow.
Yeah. Interesting.
SO they end up getting married, starting a family.

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I know you have a sister. How many siblings to tell me a
bit? About two.
So it's just me and my sister. Yeah, yeah, it's just just me
and her. She's six years older than me.
She's with me right now. She's actually going to be
coming to pick me up. Yeah, she's awesome.
She's the best. Your sister's the best.
Yeah. So then you guys relocate to
Arizona. And So what is life growing up?
You got both your parents. They seem to love each other.
They seem to love the Lord. Tell me about life growing up in

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in in Arizona. Yeah, my struggles in Arizona
was like I I had a lot of energy.
I always wanted to perform, but I was really, really, really,
really hyper and dyslexic. So I had a lot of struggles in
school, like a lot. I put my parents through a lot.
I was always a good kid, but I just couldn't like lock in like

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the other kids were. You actually have like dyslexia,
like, oh. Bro, so bad, like so bad.
And by the way, I didn't even know I had dyslexia.
Like I didn't know until I was like where I was supposed to be
in college. So they were just, they put me
in the special Ed class and thenthey would try to put me on
medication and stuff like that. And I just always knew I was
going to be a performer. And my mom and dad also did.

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They like really pushed me to bean entertainer because they just
knew that I was just, I had thatin me.
I was performing at a very youngage.
Like they were pulling me out oflike second grade to go perform
places. What was it when you say you had
that in you in second grade? What, what does that look like?
Like dancing? Rapping.
So like the first time I ever performed, I watched Michael
Jackson dance once. And like one time watching him,

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I memorized all of his moves, his moonwalk.
All of it. You can hit the moonwalk.
I they like the news came out like I went into a talent show
and I just remembered when I performed in front of it, it was
like the first time in my life people wanted me in the room and
it felt really cool. And they made me do an encore at
a talent show. And one of the girls worked for

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like, a news station and then they wanted me to do it and.
Then is this news clipping stillup somewhere?
I don't know, but I know. I did that.
I did a music. Video And then I did miss
Arizona. Like I performed in the middle
of their like, they're they're like, whatever the runway thing
is, I was just really young. And I remember just sitting
backstage and they're like, you had to dance.

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I'm like, yeah. And I had my glove and like, I
just looked like Michael Jackson.
So at a young age, it was like second or third grade.
I was just, I just knew I wantedto just entertain.
So. So is it like kind of like child
actor vibes after that point? Oh, yeah.
We were in every audition. We were like every single call,
you know, the radio. Like, do you want to be the next
Hannah Montana? And me and my mom would be like,

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yeah, that's us. Like we gotta go there.
Like we were just auditioned. We got scammed so many times
bro. I remember, because I remember
watching like Saved by the Bell as a kid and wanting to be Zack
Morris. And then they have those things
where you come, you audition, and they're trying to get you
into this school. Yeah.
And it's this whole thing. $2000will get you headshots and great
agent and my mom's like say lessthey believe in my son.

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Yeah, I remember that, bro. I remember I think like AC
Slater was that one of the things that like uses his face
for stuff and. Yeah, mine was Hannah Montana.
OK, the the girl came out. I'll never forget this.
She talked about Billy Ray Cyrus, like, like, lustfully,
like in front of kids. Like, she's just like, oh, he's
so hot. I knew I just wanted to work
with him. And so I I was just, I I didn't

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really care about his daughter, but I really wanted him in the
room. And I'm just sitting there as a
kid and I'm like, that's weird. Yeah, it was weird.
And by the way, like, nothing happened.
Like I literally paid money to listen to this girl talk about
this and nothing came from it. So was there any any outside of
the Michael Jackson dancing, allthat sort of stuff?
When did you have that like first spark as an entertainer?

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That was like, oh, there's something here.
I. Think that was it.
I, I, I would do things that I wouldn't excel in things that
other kids were doing, like if they're reading or they were
doing math or honestly, they, ifthey even had like chances
making friends. Like I, I was just not doing
well with those things. But if I told a joke in class, I

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wouldn't just hit it and make everybody in the room laugh.
I would make the teachers laugh where they were kind of like
annoyed by me, but they also would, they would tell me to my
face like, you're annoying. You're either going to be a
great entertainer or you're going to be nothing in life.
And so like, it was just since Iwas a kid, I was like, all
right, I'm either going to be anentertainer or like work at my
dad's liquor store, which I did a lot.

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So it was like growing up was like I was either in church with
my mom or was at the liquor store with my dad.
So it sounds like all along you,you had these two parallel paths
of both being an entertainer andfaith in God.
When did when did you start discovering faith for yourself?
Was it as a kid you remember having an affinity towards Jesus
and and all that sort of stuff? When I was younger, I was in the

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third grade, I had, I was reallylonely, dude.
Like I was really lonely and I was just so tired of like
disappointing my mom and dad. Like I was tired of watching
them cry because the teachers would get them scared.
And like, and my mom and dad have always talked to me like I

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was an adult. They never really talked to me
like I was a kid. Obviously, like, they want to
talk about adult stuff, but like, when I asked them if Santa
was real, they were not like, yeah, no, Santa's real.
They were like, no. And I was like, OK, so like,
they always talk to me like an adult.
And I remember when I was a kid and I found out that Santa
wasn't real, I asked my Mama, like, is Jesus real or is that

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like, fake too? And she's like, no, no, no,
she's and I'll never forget she said, Jesus is with you every
moment of the day. So it's so funny you bring this
up because I just talked to my mom about this literally
yesterday. There's a church next to our
house where I grew up. It's on Bell Road in like 60 4th
St. around there. I don't even know what kind of

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denominational church it was, but every day when like I would
tell my mom, hey, I'm going to go for a bike ride or go to my
friend's house in the neighborhood.
I had some neighborhood friends.I really just go to the church
and climb on top of it to the roof and I would sit where the
bell thing was and I would just sit there talking to God about

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everything. But I did this every day for
years. And I started doing that when I
was like elementary school, likeI was very, very young.
And he was just the closest thing to my life.
And I and I watched him work at a young age.
Like I would talk to him about real life things and he would
give me the wisdom to adapt through it.

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And then I kind of had this likeimaginary friend, but then also
my mom and dad told me that he'sreal.
So imagine like you have an imaginary friend, but then your
mom and dad are actually like talking to that same imaginary
friend. So that kind of grew wildly in
my heart and I grew like a, a skill of like prayer, like how

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to talk to him. I didn't start reading the Bible
though, until I was older and when I needed to hear his voice.
And that's when, like I really fell in love.
I always knew who Jesus was. I always was in like church like
3 * a week. But that's why when I like talk

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to kids that go to church and they're like, oh, I go on
Wednesday and then for Friday I go Bible said I go, yeah, but do
you know Jesus? Because like I grew up in church
more than I think I was in church more than I was like at a
playground. And I don't even mean that as a
joke. Like I really mean that.
But I did not know who Jesus Christ was like in a in a realm

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where it was a good relationship.
Like I knew he died for me. I knew that I was a Sinner, but
I didn't know his characteristics of God, man.
I did not know Proverbs. When I read Proverbs that
changed my life. Like it really made me realize
who I was as a human being. And I think my whole life I was

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telling God to come with me. And then one day he kind of drew
a line and he was like, no, no, no, you're going to come with me
now. And so when that started
happening, I think that's when I, I felt like I was alive.
And I, and I think that's why like I always want to talk about
them because like there's nothing in my life that I

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cherish more than that relationship.
And I'm not a preacher and I trynot to have all of my work be
about Christ, but it's kind of hard, man.
Like I really, I do spend time with him, like how we're
spending time here. And everything that I've been
blessed with, it's because of his hands and his craft.

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And once I found out that I don't have to be afraid of
talking about it, now it's my fear is no longer like, oh, are
people going to hear me? Is my art going to be out there
now? It's like I know it's going to
be packaged and sent out to everybody or like God's going to
bless this door. And now I just look at it in the

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place of like, I'm going to meethim face to face one day.
And I want to really make sure that I wasn't feeding myself
bull crap to like do what I wanted to do.
Because when I read the Bible, Irealized that all the good men
of God fell when they started thinking their own thoughts and
not his thoughts. And I'm in a business where my

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business is literally me, GeorgeJenka.
And when people come up to me, they're always talking about me
or what I think or what I'm wearing or what I'm doing.
And it's such a uncomfortable place to be because I know that
all that I have to give is death.
Like it's not good. Like I'm still learning and

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adapting. So in this place where I'm at
right now, I'm just trying to figure out how to grow in a way
that respects everybody else around me.
So that way God doesn't have to make a lesson out of me because
I think that he put me on the stage.
And if I don't walk in a way of truly fearing him, my mom used

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to tell me, don't let God make an example out of you.
So I think that's kind of where I'm at with my with my
entertaining aspect of faith. No, that's, that's interesting.
You said you can be in church ifyou couldn't even pray to God.
You can have with this, this relational aspect with God, but
still not like know Jesus and have a an encounter with Jesus,

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right? I had encounters.
You had encounters. Yeah, I had.
I had moments where like, I knowlike childlike faith brought a
lot of miracles in front of me. I think that's why I have a lot
of my faith, because those are undeniable.
But I think God met me where I was.
I think now if I behave that way, it's spoiled and is

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inconsiderate. I think when I meant he drew the
line is when he kind of told me,hey, grow up.
Stop being selfish. Like you're an adult now.
You could know what I'm about and using the excuse, well, I
was raised this way or my like church is behaving this way that
that's an excuse. And so I think every man comes
to a place in their life where they're like, OK, well, I think

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there's a God out there. And if you really ponder that
thought, it changes you. You can't maneuver and behave a
certain way if you really believe in God, because your
fruits will show. No, absolutely.
As a as a in your in your childhood years and then it's

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transitioning into your teen years.
What would you say the struggleswere that you were dealing with
the most as you're going from this kind of local sensation
star dancing, performing, doing all these sorts of things.
And now you're becoming a teenager and now high school was
hitting and and and now, you know, relationships and dating
that that season of life. What were some of the challenges

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that that you were going through?
And I was blessed. My challenges didn't really rock
me. My mom taught me very quick.
And this is where I kind of learn and what I I kind of try
to put out there on my podcast. It's the government, the world,
and everybody will try to pour into your kids.
But if you do a good job and pour into your kids, whatever
the world gives them, it's there's not going to be enough
room for it. And my mom and dad gave me a lot

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of faith, a lot of faith and a lot of love.
And I just wanted to obey them. I was just so grateful that they
were my parents. I just always wanted to obey
them. And I think that's where my my
relationship with God kind of came into.
I was very grateful for my parents and then my mom always
teach me to love God more than them so.
So you had a high school? High school, like I again, like

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I got kicked out of my school, like I had to go to a different
school for my senior year. Was it because of the learning
aspects with this? No, they just hated me.
I opened up. So there was this competition
where you get to perform in front of Justin Bieber's concert
and I won it. It was like 5000 people entered
and I won it and people thought I rigged it.
So this. Is through the through the high
school or through like a radio? Station Kiss FM.
It's like a radio station that'sfire.

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And I won. And you?
What were you doing at rapping? Dancing.
At the time I was already releasing music videos.
They were already playing on theradio because I would like go in
and be like, hey, my name is George.
I'm from so and so like I'm in Arizona.
So if you call into 98.3 at the time it was it was like power
one O or something, I don't remember, but it was a radio
station. And so I already kind of had

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like my feet in the city that I was in, but when I did that is
when it got really bad for me inschool.
And so I had to transfer out of school.
But when I was younger, my mom kind of taught me that, like,
the reason like kids will hate you or they treat you like
disrespectfully or rude is because they were taught that in

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their own home. So my mom was like, hey, like if
somebody's being mean to you, just picture their parents doing
that to them. And the reason why you don't do
that to them is because of how we treat you.
And so. When I was going through that,
the wisdom that they poured intome of loving your neighbor and
like they would remind me how I fall short with God.
So when they fall short with me,it's my duty to like to accept

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that and like be OK with them and forgive them.
So like I never had challenges with my faith.
Then I had it in the third grade.
That was a personal thing that was between me and God and what
would happen. But when I was older, I never
had a rocky ship until I came into the industry and I was
sitting around really powerful people and they never, they
never like, they never like cameafter me like in the movies or

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like, oh, you're an idiot if youbelieve in Jesus.
But they were just baffled that I believed in it.
But then I would sit at this table and I was like, oh, man,
like, am I, am I dumb? Am I following like something
that's controlling me? Like should I like kind of like
in my brain, I felt like it was holding me back because I was
like, bro, all these people are cutting like corners.

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I could do that at a whole different level.
I could do that. And I was watching an A clip and
somebody was talking about eating Jesus body and blood.
And I just remember I was sick and tired of listening to the
Bible. And I was like, yeah, I want to
go do my own thing. And so I remember walking away

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and I got really sick, like really sick.
My hair would always fall out. I didn't know what was going on.
I was extremely depressed and anxious, like all the time.
I understand it now. God removed his favor from his,
his like, he not in a bad way, but in a way it was like, all
right, if you're going to leave the family, you're not going to

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take the blessings with you. Come on.
And I just remember like I had apersonal moment with God when I
came back and I said, I'm sorry,I just, I don't know you.
I don't know what's going on. And I remember praying and
asking him if I could return. And I can't even put into words

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what I felt that day. And they just reminded me.
So I, I, when I came to Lai had a prayer that if it took me one
inch away from him, that he would pull it away from me.
And I always thought when I asked that, that he would pull
away the industry for me. But he actually gave me the
industry. He just pulled himself away from

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me. And that one, I mean, dude, I'm
married now and you're like, it's, it's, it's better for you
to take my wife than even 5 seconds away from me and God.
And that was the day that changed.
But when I came back to the Kingdom I, I, I wanted to make
sure that I never, ever, ever chose anything else.
How long was that window from when you felt like you drifted?

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Only a few months. There's like a few.
Only a few months. Yeah.
Yeah. It didn't last long.
And this is, I tasted that worldthat people walk around.
And that's why when I talk to people, I'm glad I went through
that, by the way. Yeah.
Because now I I'm able to express like and communicate to
people like. You've tasted everything there
is to see in. The oh dude, like I blatantly
look at people that deny Christ or deny God and I'm just like,

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you're dead and know how you feel inside.
You're dead. Don't even try to convince me to
walk the way you're walking. No money, no power, no success,
no wife, no kids. It's all garbage.
You're a liar if you're walking without God and you're trying to
tell me that you're living a beautiful life and a peaceful
life, you're a liar. And I'm not going to eat that
lie because it's better for me to go and tie an anchor to me

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and throw me in the in the abyssthan to even convince anybody
around here that Christ doesn't exist.
So like now it's mandatory. Like if we're having a
conversation and like you're trying to convince me it's
better to not have Christ, I'll call you out on that lie.
And it's funny because some people will deny it, but then
some people like they kind of get thrown off that eye, like
and blatantly knowing and I'll call them out on it and they're

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like, it makes them like think about their own thoughts.
Some people it changes them and some people it doesn't.
I don't know. So I want I want to come back to
the trans you transitioning to to LA and and when that happened
and what that was like, because I think there's a there's a lot
there also different time, but I'm just out of sheer personal
curiosity. Take me back to that competition

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and you submitting through the radio station and then you're
becoming you're you were you outof 5000 people?
You end up winning it. Am I tracking correctly?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was a radio thing.
Like, remember I told you like all all the things we did, like
all of them. You guys were hustling.
Yeah, it's just, it was like it was the only thing that my mom
and dad are like, it's either it's make or break this kids
either going to be mopping up the store one day or he's just

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going to be an entertainer. So they were, they were, they
were a big blessing in my life, man.
They like, and that's why I likeanytime I meet somebody who has
kids and stuff and they get really scared of believing in
them. And I'm like, dude, that's all
they want. They don't want anything else
besides you believing. And they're like, just give them
faith into the world and they'llbe good.
But yeah, we were. I remember I was, I was so
young. I was in the back seat.

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And I think it's because my sister was in the front seat,
but I was in the back seat And the radio went on and they're
like, do you love Justin Bieber and you want to go to the My
World tour? And I'm like, yeah, that's
Justin Bieber. And then they're like turn in
like a video of you singing and I just created.
You just did my music video. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, the one that I was doing the up in this club 1 where I'm
like sneaking in. It's it's it's on the Internet.
But I was like 15 or 14 when I wrote the song.
I think when we put out the music video, I was like 16 at
the time, so I was still young. Yeah.
So I sent in the, the, the musicvideo hoping I'd get a, a like

(26:07):
a, a call back. And then I did.
And I think they, it's so long ago.
I don't know for sure everythingabout it, but.
And I remember performing in a store.
So they were like, yo, these arethe 15 or 20 people that won.
There was a there was a bunch ofpeople.
There was like dancers, there was singers, there was rappers.

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And we were performing at a clothing store for the for the
top ten. And then the top five got to
perform at the Justin Bieber concert.
So I win the the top five thing and I'm like, just my brain is
like, yeah, excited. Yeah, I'm pumped.
Yeah. And we go to the Justin Bieber
thing and the the kid that I wasworried about, he was really

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good, but he also sounded like Justin Bieber.
And when I performed, I performed an original song, my
own song. He did it.
And I'm very calculated. So I was like, they're looking
for originality. That was one of the things that
they asked. And this dude sang a Justin
Bieber song. And I was like, oh, he's out.
Like he lost. He lost the competition, so they
picked me and I won and I got really, really excited.

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I got the $1000 check and I'm. Like, so were you going to get
to open for Justin Bieber? Is this where this?
Is they, they, they said that they said, oh, do you want to
open up for Justin Bieber? But they lied.
It was, it was opening up for their concert.
So like in his, in his arena thing, there's doors you have to
go through and you know how the,the, the radio stations stand
outside. That's where they did it.
The only reason I wasn't played you.

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The only reason I wasn't too madis like dude, thousands.
No, that's that's still a great look.
Oh no, no, it was still a great look.
It was huge, bro. Like when I looked back, there
was a sea of people and they're all kids.
I actually have a funny story. I never said anything.
So I win that and I give the judges a hug and I get this.
The reason why I have to leave my school is because somebody's
like, yo, George rigged it. He was a part of their agency.

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Now listen to this. I was a part of their agency
when I was younger. So they had a picture of me on
their website. I didn't know any of the people
there. I just gave them a hug because I
won. So there was a picture on it was
called TheDirty.com and there was like, so everybody in
Arizona that entered there was like 5000 people, them and their
families and their friends hated.

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Me. So it's like a big conspiracy,
they think. So they told the the the rumor
said that my father paid the judges $10,000 for me.
Oh my gosh, the grand prowess is$1000.
I don't know who would think that was a good idea.
But yeah, I know. It got so bad bro.
Like there was people spitting on the school.
No. So this is coming with massive
personal fallout for you. I would say I lost friends, but

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I never really had any. So like, it was just, it was
like the people that really didn't like me got cooler if
they started messing with me. So it was just like, jeez, not
great. And then that's crazy.
No, but it's cool because I'll tell you why.
So then I went to this school called Horizon.
But hold on, let me. There's so much stuff that
you're unpacking that I'm just remembering now.
This is actually kind of fun. The first time I met Justin

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Bieber. That's that's going to be my
next question. The first time I met Justin
Bieber it was at the My World tour when I had the check.
So I'm walking my happy ass to the car.
With the check. And this little kid pulls up in
a Segway and I'm like, and I'm about to be like, oh catch, just
a Bieber. I love you so much.
Like, you know, And then I was like, wait a second, bro.
His his show starts in 5 minutes.

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This is somebody who's going to get the crowd excited.
It's not Justin Bieber. So I'm literally this close to
him and I go, you're not Justin Bieber.
And I walked and I, my dad's open the truck and we're putting
the check in the car and I turn back and I see my mom sitting
there talking to the kid on the Segway.
And I'm like, mom, come on, it'snot Justin Bieber.
Let's go. It's not Justin Bieber.
I know Justin Bieber. I listen to his music videos

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every day. It's not Justin Bieber.
And my mom goes, no, it's JustinBieber.
And she's sitting here talking to him.
Bro 'cause. He's he's young at the time too.
Oh, he was baby. Yeah, literally.
He was the My World tour. He was a baby.
And we're on our way home and like the news is like Justin
Bieber's causing mayhem riding ascooter in the in the parking
lot. I was like, and my mom's like,

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see, George, you weren't patient.
You should have sat there and dude, like it was a great day
for me. But also I thought in my brain,
I'm like, God gave me an opportunity and I just ruined
it. Like he was supposed to sign me.
I was supposed to be like, he was supposed to be my usher.
Like dude, like bro, bro, bro, bro.
I think it was like a few monthslater, he dropped a a movie and

(30:25):
I watched it in the movie that my mom, mom and dad, like they
laugh about this stuff. They I cried in that movie
because in my brain I was like, that was my one chance.
Like it's over for me. Bro, that's so good.
So, so funny. So was he just just chilling or
was he coming to say congratulations because.
He saw you know who I was, what I was saying.
Like he, like he won this thing.You got this massive check.
Maybe he's just a 16 year old kid but I'll never forget bro.

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It plays in my head over and over again.
He looked at me and he had like a curious face.
Like he was looking at the checkand he was looking at me and I
think he was going to like introduce himself, but I think I
came off stupid. And he was just like, Nah, I'm
not going to talk to this kid. But he had time to talk to my
mom. Like he talked to my mom for
like a good minute. What were you when he was

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talking to you? I was shoving the check in the
car, yelling at her to come because like I was like, that's
not him. And she's like, no, this is him
and she's sitting there talking to him and I was like, mom,
that's not him. And and then.
Did you? OK?
So have you met him since this? So OK, this is really fun.
I love this. OK so I've never had the
opportunity to sit down and fully have a conversation with

(31:29):
them because my whole life. OK this is the reason why Justin
Bieber means a lot to me becausethe first time I ever watched
Justin Bieber everybody was freaking out about this kid.
I saw him on an interview but itwas like AI think it was a
Christian like talk show and hismom asked all of us to pray for
him. And so me and my family gathered
and prayed for him. And I just remember being like

(31:51):
man, I can't wait to meet him because I know he's going to
always have a relationship with Jesus because what his mom did
and how everybody prayed for him.
And so that taught me to be veryvocal about my faith.
Come on because that taught me if I'm vocal about my faith in
other homes will pray for me. That's good.
So that I've always wanted a moment to thank him for that
because that changed my life completely.

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Fast forward, which is like, it's kind of funny.
I went from this school, it was Pinnacle to Horizon High School.
Horizon High School was a more entertaining high school.
I walked in senior year and I was like trying to audition for
the chorus. And I'll never forget, bro, this
bougie, bougie place was like, no, you have to audition for us

(32:33):
next year or last year. And I was like, it was in a
different school. I was going to audition and she
looked me in my eyes and she said, which one do you want to
replace here? Which student do you want to
replace? And then all the students were
looking at me like this. And my mom and dad sat me down
that day. And they're like, listen, you
just got kicked out of that school.
Don't go piss these kids off. So put your head down, shut up,
leave school. You're only doing half days

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anyways. So like, don't, don't do
anything. I kept my mouth shut.
Then they had a talent show and that teacher got on the mic.
She goes, my students aren't going to be performing.
So I I was a little bitter that they didn't let me audition.
So I was like, I'm going to enter and just wipe everybody
out of that competition. I won it and everybody at that
school like loves me, bro. And it was like the coolest

(33:18):
moment that it was the first time ever in my life where I had
friends in school. Like it was so and people are
coming out to me like, Janko, I didn't know you had it like
that. You're making music.
And they appreciated that I wanted to be an artist.
The other school was a very richschool and like kind of known
for being snotty. So they didn't like you chasing
your dreams or like trying to dothings.
So I went over here. It was the first time in my life

(33:41):
where I was like, oh, if you're not appreciated, it's because
you're not in the right place. And so that school gave me a lot
of confidence and I made a lot of good friends there.
Till this day, I actually bumpedinto a kid on a plane that I
went to that school with. So Horizon was a cool place.
Why did you get kicked out of the other school?
It wasn't like a kick out. They weren't like yo you should
leave. So I was performing Mr. Pinnacle

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and I have this on video too andI can't wait to release this.
They were throwing shoes at me bro, when I was performing and
not like, oh, they hated me bro,but you know why they hated me?
Because I knew they hated me. So I pressed so like if, if so
and so made fun of me, I would, I would not let up.
I would just annoy him. So I was kind of like, if I'm
going to be like annoying, I'm going to like just go all the
way. I was very like, I didn't know

(34:23):
myself. So I was just trying to like
figure things out. I think people just didn't like
that. I was always happy and talked
all the time because they're like, dude, like shut up.
You're like, you've been talkingthis whole time.
I remember one time this kid yelled at me in class and the
teacher joined in, like, and I was like, all right, maybe it is
my fault. Maybe I should, like, chill out.
But yeah, they, I, the principalat that school suggested to my

(34:45):
mom that I should leave the school.
They didn't kick me out. They were just kind of like,
hey, you shouldn't like, you shouldn't be here.
I remember at Mr. Pinnacle, whenI was about to perform, they
came backstage and said, hey, don't perform.
Like they don't want you to perform.
And I said, no, I'm going to perform.
I got to perform. And they were like, no, I don't
think you should. So before I performed, I

(35:07):
literally got on the mic and I said, this is for all of you
guys that are booing me and, and, and and throwing shoes at
me. And then I performed and bro,
they gave me like a great clap. And that was like my last memory
of Pinnacle and I left. That is so interesting.
Yeah, it was a pretty cool moment.
Wow. OK, OK.
I'm I'm curious you this desire in you to entertain to put

(35:31):
smiles on people's faces. Seems I don't get the sense that
it's coming from some void or something.
Some valid people plea validation thing like I grew up
like dad's not in my life. Mom's an alcoholic.
I needed I needed to prove them wrong.
I'm right, like, but what I'm hearing you talk about this.
I just, man, I'm just, I just, I'm an artist, I'm creative.

(35:55):
I, I have to get this stuff out.It seems you can correct me.
Maybe there's a, a darker angle to it too.
But it seems like for you it wasjust coming from a very pure
place, like you feel like God created you to be a creative.
I just, I guess the fundamentalsthat I was going off of was, you
know, life is not fair as we're in a broken world.

(36:17):
And you could sit there and mopeabout it, or you could just put
a smile on her face and do the best you could do with God.
All the ones that like disliked me eventually ended up liking
me. Like we became friends.
So I learned at a very young age, if people like, mistreat
you, it's because they're hurting.
So dude, I learned that in the 4th grade.
So by the time I went to high school, I wasn't upset with

(36:38):
these kids. Like I, I don't know, man.
Like I just had such good faith in God that when teachers or
students or anybody would tell me I'm a failure, I just
listened to him. And he used to say stuff like, I
have plans to prosper you and toprotect you and to love you.
So I just really believed in himand I put my head down and
worked. And, you know, my parents are my

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examples, you know, like they treated their enemies the same
way they would treat their families.
So I think the reason God blessed me is because I didn't
have a bitter heart. I really do, because I look at a
lot of more talented people thanme and they're not being
blessed. And I think it's because their
heart is not in a great place. That's good.
So I don't think I'm here because of my talent.
I think I'm here because of his grace.
Yeah. Or or they're pursuing the thing

(37:23):
they're they're driven by something darker than I just
want to be faithful with my time, talent and treasure there.
There's something darker driving.
You ever watch Dexter? This is like a really adult
show. If I watch Dexter on HBO,
Dexter, it's it's a really dark show.
We probably should clip this out, but Dexter is a he's a
serial killer, but he works in the forensics department of the

(37:45):
Miami-Dade Police Department. So he'll he'll off bad guys.
He finds bad guys to predators. They're the worst people and
he'll they there's not enough evidence on them because he's in
the evidence department. And so he'll then take them out
and then sometimes towards the end, he's having to go and work
with the forensic stuff of the people that he offed, right?
Like he's like, it's crazy. But the thing that.
Dexter, I remind you, that guy. No, no, no, no.

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The opposite of Dexter, because what Dexter kept talking about
is that there's this dark passenger in him, and the dark
passenger in him has to get out.And so he's trying to take the
dark passenger and use it for good by killing the bad guys.
But the reality is the dark passenger eventually succumb.
He succumbs to the dark passenger.
Spoiler alert. And So what I'm saying is MO,
not most, too many creative people, too many artists, too

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many performers are driven by that dark passenger.
They're driven by the need of people placing validation.
They're driven by lust and pleasure.
They're driven by the need for status and power, right?
And that's that dark passenger driving.
And they're trying to add some light to it, right?
Where is like, it's not like from listening to your story and

(38:49):
knowing you a little bit, it seems like you weren't driven by
that like that, like that you were coming from a pure place of
like, I just want to honor God with the talent and the passion
that he gave me. He was my best friend before he
was my God. And I know it sounds really
uncomfortable to say that to people, but no matter how dark
the world got, I was always rejoicing.

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Like I was just like, I OK, my dad would raise me in a way
where I would work every single day in the sun.
And one day when I would ever ask him like, hey dad, like I
know we're well off. Like, why do I have to do this?
And he would bring me to the hood and like introduce me to
the people that he hires and he would make me sit in their home

(39:32):
and he goes, if you can't appreciate what they have, then
you'll never appreciate what we have.
And so my talent and my abilities and my success and my
blessings, I feel like it's on aloan and he's giving them to me.
And if I look at any other one of his children and mistreat

(39:53):
them because of an ego or anything.
Now I had more ego when I was inhigh school that I do here.
But I also believe that God wouldn't bring me here if I had
the same ego that I did when I was in high school.
So I don't really work on my skill sets or my talent.
I really just work on focusing on the Kingdom of God.
And then the next day I become alittle bit wiser on how to

(40:13):
entertain or tell a joke or havea podcast.
I I just learned that if I look back at all the times in my life
that I was proud of, I had nothing to do with it.
So I'm not going to sit here andboast or bang my chest or worst
of all, like treat any other oneof his children in a bad way.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not. I'm not saying I'm saying we

(40:34):
were. I was showing you my house.
You got on the piano and you start riffing and you're like a
phenomenal piano player that like takes effort.
Like you at some point you have to go and put in maybe, maybe
not 10,000 hour expert on a piano, but you put in hundreds
of hours to become that good on the piano.
You you can do comedy, you can do podcasting.
Your music's fire, right? There's a degree where you you

(40:54):
are put you put in the work to develop these skill sets.
So I've been talking to this with my like family and friends
about it. I, I like, yes, you could put
the time in hours, right? But have you ever met anybody
who's just naturally gifted? Like he'll wake up.
He's just a beautiful singer. I think this is because God
blessed him there. So I, I, I, I'm, I'm in a point
in my life right now when I'm realizing that, like if it's

(41:17):
from piano or telling a joke or anything like that, it's loaned
talent. So I could either sit in a room
and hone in and stay away from my family and focus and drive,
or I know this sounds not a lot of people are going to agree
with me. Or I could just remember to
praise God every time somebody gives me a compliment and God
goes, oh, this kid gets it because it's my talent and he's

(41:40):
now telling other people how to get it.
So give him more. So that is where I get
everything else from. No, I love that.
I love that about you, but but Iam I do want to point out you
you did take piano lessons, right?
You did something. You didn't do any piano lessons.
You just self-taught. Yeah.
This is like freaking Nick D, bro.
Nick D is like this. He's just freaking good at

(42:00):
everything, like. That I don't know what I'm
playing. I could play by ear, but like if
I like, but that's just because I sat at a piano and I just like
played. But that's like I'm going.
To cut in that clip of him of you playing the piano in my home
somewhere in here, because that's just, that's just that's
crazy. I love that man.
My wife has been begging me to put a piano in my house so I
could go back to playing, and that's so cool.
But yeah, no, no, I never. I took piano lessons, but OK.

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Can I tell you a funny story? Tell me a funny story.
I went to school for audio engineering and.
This is this is after high school.
So I go to, I don't get to tell these stories.
Thank you so much for asking me these.
OK, so I'm in college for one semester.
Community College, state school,Where you at that's.
The only thing I got accepted inand I barely got accepted into

(42:44):
college and so I'm doing two classes.
I'm not joking, this is real. I'm doing sword fighting
classes. Yeah, I'll for this.
PVCC bro this is a real thing sword fighting classes for stage
combat. That's why right now if we go, I
could sword fight with you because and not real sword
fighting, but like stage like for.
This is so random. For some reason, I thought I was

(43:06):
going to be able to use this allright, and then audio
engineering, OK. Respect.
And I'm in school and I think I had, I think it was math or
like, yeah, it had to be math. I think I'm doing algebra, bro.
Like something people do in likehigh school and I'm doing it in
college and I'm failing, like fantastically failing.

(43:27):
Like the in college you have to be a little bit more
responsible. And that wasn't me.
Like I, I showed up like late sometimes they wouldn't even let
me in because I was so late. And I was like, all right, today
I'm getting Chick-fil-A, I guess.
Like, yeah, and I was failing and it was the first semester.
And I think they, I don't, I think it's a progress report or
something like that where they, they don't give you your final
guarantees. But I looked at it and like,

(43:47):
bro, I had all FS like like my parents are spending money on me
just failing and I, and my dad loses it on me.
Like she's freaks out and I, I go to the pool and I'm sobbing
at the pool and I play this in my head everyday, bro almost I
hear flip flops. It was the first time my dad
ever said this to me. He goes, you know, I'm so

(44:09):
disappointed in you and bro. Like I've done a lot of things
for my parents to be disappointed in me and they've
never said it to me. And it crushed me.
I looked at him and I said and I'm sorry.
I just just don't know how to doschool.
Like it's I can't, I try that. I try, I just can't.

(44:30):
He goes, wait, you think I'm disappointed in you because
you're doing bad in school? He goes, I'm disappointed in you
because you're a coward and you won't chase your dreams.
And I was like. Oh.
My God, I was like, what do you mean?
He goes, he goes, I have your back.
He goes anything you want to go do.
George, you've been you've been entertaining people since you
were a kid, but you won't go andtry it.
He goes, why are you scared? And I was like, you would be OK

(44:55):
with it. He goes, dude, the worst thing
is you go, you try. If you don't, you come back.
We'll build something like son and father like, but you don't
have to be worried about it. And bro like I went out, I tried
and and it worked. So.
So is this when then you move toLA and pursue everything?
OK, so this is this is the fun part.

(45:15):
I go to audio engineering school, 'cause remember, we
wanna go to California. Got you, got you.
But we don't know what we're gonna do out there.
Your Community College recordingarts class or or yes, and then
you actually then you actually go to a.
Conservatory recording Arts. It's called Crass.
Yes. And it was the first school I
actually did well in. OK.
And where's? Where's?
Crass at it's in. I think it's in Tempe in
Arizona. OK, OK, and I did really well.

(45:38):
I mean, think about it, I'm all I'm doing is cutting tracks
everyday and sitting on s s LS or like talking about the
microphone like this microphone Michael Jackson recorded
thriller off of. They had to put carpet
underneath his ground because hewould tap his legs so much.
I know about this because I'm interested in it.
So then I realized, oh, I'm not stupid.
I just wasn't interested in it and I've really bad ADD.
So if you're talking about math in a whole different realm right

(45:58):
now, I'm not even focused. So I do really good and I do so
good in that school that I couldintern and edit recording studio
in the world. Go to LA, I'm at this.
I'm like, out of respect for them, I'm not going to say the
name of the recording studio, which by the way, I have endless
stories about that place, but the Justin Bieber thing, Justin
Bieber walks in and I'm like, this is it, remember?

(46:22):
Because the last time I thought it was my chance.
So I was like, this is it, man, this is it.
I'm going to go up to him. I'm going to listen to his
things. I'm like, JB, this is good, bro,
but I'll put something like thison it, you know, And then I'll
show him some tracks. And then he'd be like, what are
we doing my music for, bro? We got to sign you.
We got to put you off. Yeah, you're the guy.
You're the guy. You know what I mean?
And so I'm walking up too. And as I'm walking up, he's

(46:45):
like, he's behind and I'm about to go touch his shoulder.
And then the the management, theguy who's like managing the
interns just gets in front of meand he goes, fuck you doing,
bro. And I was like, what?
He goes, what the, what the F are you doing, bro?
And I was like, no, I just, I'm,I, I met him.
And I'm trying to not lie because I didn't meet him, but I
also did meet him. And I was hoping he would

(47:05):
remember maybe the kid in the party lie.
Yeah. And so I go.
So I don't even know how to explain this to the guy.
And he goes, you want to talk toJustin Bieber?
You want to talk to Justin Bieber?
He goes when when you hear, hey,who wants to wipe Justin Biebers
ass? He goes, that's that's when you
could talk to Justin Bieber and I was looking at like this and
he goes, yeah, he goes. He goes like, for example, if

(47:27):
we're like man, Justin Bieber needs his ass wipe, then we
think George Janko should be talking he's.
Saying this to you with straightface.
Bro, I'm watching Justin Bieber going to the studio while this
guy's saying this to me. Now, again, I have many lives,
so I'm a good Christian kid thatI love, but I also beat up a lot
of people at a liquor store. So that side of me kicked in and
I'm like, I'm gonna F this dude up, bro.

(47:47):
There's no way this dude's talking to me like this.
So I got heated. I got so heated.
Don't disrespect me like that. This is crazy.
And he said some other things that I'm not going to say on a
podcast. So I get on the phone, my best
friend, my dad, I go, hey, dude,look what this guy said to me.
And my dad was like, what? What?
He didn't let you say hi to Justin Bieber.
He goes, did he not know about you in the parking lot?
I was like, dude, I'm trying to explain to him, bro, I'm like.

(48:09):
And so he's like, no, no, no, that's unacceptable.
How are you trying to explain this?
Because there's one time that mymom met just but I curved him
and then I got curved like how do you explain this?
That's. Why I kind of got locked up when
he was like, what are you doing?Because I didn't even really
know what I was doing. And by the way, this is like you
would think this is a trait thatI fixed.
It's not I still have this. It's like this little child in

(48:30):
me is like wants to go and say hi to everybody is so.
And by the way, like there was all these other celebrities in
there. There was Jason Derülo, he was
doing the song Wiggle wiggle Wiggle at the time.
Wiggle wiggle. By the way, nothing's more
annoying than that song because when you're tracking and you're
mixing a song, you have to listen to a part of it. 1000
times when I heard Wiggle WiggleWiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle

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wiggle wiggle Wiggle for 8 hourswhich.
Year is this approximately you remember what year this?
Is no but wherever that song wascoming out and the cast of Glee
was there too OK no shots at them I'm not going to mention
who it was I'm. Looking at when they.
Could not sing at all. One of them actually asked us to
turn the music off. That's a true story. 1 was so

(49:15):
bad at music and he said he was throwing him off.
And we're like, what the the tempo was throwing you off?
He goes, yeah, can we just turn it off?
And I was like, there's no way. There was a guy who sat in a
room for Glee for 9 hours correcting vocals.
Wow sorry I'm a gossiping now. I don't want to gossip.
I'm so sorry, but no, no, no. You're.

(49:35):
Talking, you're talking about Melodyne pitch correction,
right? But for 9 hours in the music
industry, if there's a guy working on your vocals for 9
hours, you're in a musician. You're a problem, George.
Nobody wants to know how the. Sausage is made OK.
You're giving away too much Melodyne for 9 hours I've.
Seen. No, No, no, no, no.
If you're a. Melodyne for 9 hours Get a new
career Get a new career by the. Way they were, sweet they were.

(49:56):
A nice cast, yeah. What was the name of the studio
do you remember? The name of the studio.
I do. I'm not going to say it.
Yeah, I'll. I'll.
Mute you just tell me between. OK, cool.
And I got AI, got a funny. Story about that.
Place if you want to stick there.
I got a good story about it, butanyway, so I quit right there on
the spot. Yeah, right there on the.
Spot I left. And I told my dad, I said, yo,

(50:17):
like I don't ever want anybody to talk to me that way again.
Like, and, and by the way, that actually reminded me like never
talked down to somebody like it.It really crushes them a year
later, bro, from a year from theplace that I quit within 12
months, I met Logan and we started doing fine all the way

(50:37):
up to meeting Johnny from Shots.A year later I was at Justin
Bieber's house for his birthday party.
That's crazy. So now I'm.
Sitting there and he's. Break dancing in front of all of
his friends and I'm like, this is the day I'm going to talk to
him. This is.
The third time I'm. In a room with this guy and it
was his birthday and I'll never forget I'm I'm like lining up to

(50:57):
go talk to him at his birthday, bro.
There's like strangers there because he invites his friends,
his friends invite friends, and I just remember how.
Exhausted, he. Was talking to people and
everybody saying the same thing.You're so cool.
Listen to me about me. And my heart was like, don't
bother him, bro, just let him go.
And so I let it go. I didn't say anything to him.

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Years go by, we're at Atlanta, and he's playing basketball, and
he comes up to me, bro, and shakes my hand.
You would think I'd take the time to go, hey, dude, Frozen.
Couldn't say anything again. And I was like, so now I'm at a
place in my life where I'm like,there's a there's going to be a
time where I meet him or it's going to be like a moment where

(51:40):
I get to talk to him. And I don't know what I'm going
to talk to him about. But dude, I've never bumped into
somebody this many times and never had the opportunity to
talk to them. Yeah, I had a family member.
That was going to college out there in LA.
And so around the same window oftime, I just looked up the year
that that Jason Derülo song cameout.
So in the same window since like2013 to 2016 window of time, I

(52:00):
would take my my family member to church where he was going to
church and it was the same thinghe would.
I see him all the time and it was it was every time I've seen
him. He's always been super down to
earth and approachable, but likepeople just swarming him and
wanting to talk to him. And I'm just like, I'm not, I'm
not going to go up to this dude at church.
You know, Like that's what when people like say stuff like why?
Does he behave this way? Why do this?

(52:21):
Like bro, like that life ain't. A normal life, dude.
That's a that's a hard that is like bro, like.
That's. OK, I'll say this.
When I cried. At the.
The the movie of Justin Bieber thing.
I cried in there because I was like, why can't that be me, bro?
Like, And now like, I cry because I'm like, man, I hope

(52:42):
that like, this guy has grace inhis life, bro.
Like, I'm 30 something years oldwith nowhere near the visibility
of Justin Bieber. And it's still exhausting to,
like, have to do what we're doing at the level that we're
doing it at, to be at the level that he's at when they're making
fun of him being like, you not clocking in, bro.
Like, we all laugh. You make jokes.

(53:04):
But to me it's like bro, that guy lives in a box where
everybody in the world critiquesevery move of his yet he still
believes in Jesus. But the guy at a Starbucks has
nowhere near the same business as him.
He wrestles with God and gets mad at God.
So when I see somebody at his level still have so much love
and respect for God and try his best to obey God and move with

(53:25):
God and not be bitter bro. And because of we bro imagine
how many doors or times he was taken advantage of or family and
friends did things then that we'll never know about.
But he'll still smile on people's face and still treat
people with respect. I don't know.
Like I feel like I don't know him but.
One day when we do. Meet.
I pray that we could have like areally cool conversation.

(53:49):
Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure you will.
I mean his his mom. Is awesome.
She's very solid Christian, you know, And the the what I do
appreciate about him is that on his album, he played into all
those viral moments and turned him into skits.
And then him and Drewski riffed about it and it was actually
really funny the way he took allthe I'm I'm standing on business

(54:12):
like money, money, money. So all those crazy moments were
in incorporated as skits on his album.
And then he's playing them for Drewski and then Drewski's like
kind of joking with him. So it's actually creative where
Drewski goes. I think you're trolling.
Like I think you're intentionally poking and
trolling because this is your way that you like to engage in
the media. Like you're you're you're you're
goodness thing. Have you ever done this?

(54:33):
Have you ever like? Gone on YouTube and watched him
talk to paparazzi's yeah, yeah, it's like, it's it's like.
The funniest thing? It's hilarious.
Yeah, even when he was like really young, like I think he
was like 15 or like 16, he just got his his car and he's like,
is this what your mom knows you're doing?
Just following kids? And he's just like trolling
these guys. And I was like, wow, yeah.
So. So tell me this SO.

(54:53):
You, you're in LA Vine is your, is your initial platform.
That's the platform you hop ontois to kind of get your I I was
like one of the last dudes. That jumped on Vine, jumped on
Vine and I, I remember it was. Like.
Social media when we were doing social media was like taboo in
Hollywood. Like if I was doing acting, if
they found out I did social media, they would can maybe they

(55:15):
would like a time. Yeah, very different time.
Now if if you're not on social. Media, you're playing yourself.
Bro, that's a weird. It was weird.
It was such. A weird thing, yeah.
So you're pursuing acting? Yeah.
And music and you're on Vine allat the same time yeah.
How are you sustaining yourself at the time?
Is your family helping out? Are you working little side
jobs? Are you actually landing some
days both both so my mom and. Dad will always be my like, my

(55:38):
backbone, right? But obviously I'm not gonna
they're like, I'm like a take advantage of them.
Sure. So I got a job and like, if I,
God forbid, needed to lean on them, I would lean on them.
But what kind of jobs were you working while you were?
Pursuing everything in in LA so I was doing background.
Work as an extra. OK so I was on like New Girl
which is so cool bro, what a blessing.

(56:00):
Like I was on New Girl 'cause I was a huge fan of New Girl and
then dude, Lemoore came on my show years later and I'm showing
him me as an extra. Like all of the dots and
connection. Like that's why I like, I tell
people, if you're on a journey, don't be so obsessed with the
ending. Enjoy the trip, enjoy the trip,
enjoy every moment that God's putting you through because like
it's beautiful. The whole steps are beautiful.

(56:22):
But yeah, I was doing extra work.
So my time frame was from 3:00 in the morning.
No, no, I'm sorry 4. In the morning till 11:00 or
12:00 in the afternoon, I would be on set or like waking up to
go to on set to do extra work. And then the rest of the day I
would hang out with social mediastars, write their skits, be a

(56:43):
part of their skits. And so I was sleeping like 3
hours a day. So I would work until like night
time and then sleep for three hours and then wake up and then
be just chilling. Did your and forgive me like I
don't? I don't forgive me like 'cause I
didn't research this. So I'm I'm just genuinely
curious. I know, did your own personal
vine pop or when was it that George Janko individually pop

(57:06):
'cause I remember watching like your vlogs years ago.
You're like at a club and it's like during the, the vlog era.
Like when did like your name George Janko pop in the sense of
like a platform took off for you?
Was it Vine first or what was it?
It was the day that Logan invested in me.
OK, so he just saw a kid that was really talented and I think

(57:26):
maybe it was like the first or second or third time I started
writing with him that he was like, oh, this kids like really
like he's talented. He knows what he's doing.
And I remember he sat me down one day and he said, bro, you
need to focus on this. You need to like really put on
YouTube or on what it was at thetime it was.
Vine, OK. But he was also like ahead of

(57:46):
it. He was not only doing brain
deals more than anybody, but he was like writing skits with his
brother of that little long form.
And he taught me everything, man.
He taught me how to hold the camera, how to shoot it, how to
edit it, how to reach out to theright people.
He gave me so many. Beautiful tools.
For me to learn from and I learned at a a like quickly.

(58:08):
I'm like, OK, cool. Like what he brings to the table
is his name. So if he's in your video, it
pops. So my brain went to OK, he
introduced me to all of his friends, which is a huge
blessing. He wasn't like, yo, you only
work with me. You can't go talk to everybody.
He was very fruitful with everything.
So I went to Amanda Cerney or ifI went to Lele Pons or whatever.
So then I thought, oh, if I likewrite these skits and they're

(58:31):
good, maybe one of them would like it and then put me in it.
And then once I was in one of them, I made good friends with
them. And then they started tagging me
and I just kind of traded my my ability to write skits for as
long as I'm in it and you could tag me.
So that's how I kind of got my way into it.
What you doing your own skits onyour own Vine channel?
As well, so I would do my own skits.

(58:52):
More comedy. Based like I had like or skit
based like a bad milk. I was like, yo, the milk's bad.
He's like, what do? You mean the milk?
And we open up the fridge and it's a gang banging like milk,
you know what I mean? So.
And. I would come up with very
friends style conversation skits, but there were 6 seconds.

(59:14):
So it's like hard to do that, very hard to do.
And then when we got to one minute, that's when I was like,
oh bro, I, I could do this. Like 6 seconds is hard to tell a
joke and then like let it go. As soon as we got to Facebook,
that is when everything started taking off and then we went to
YouTube and then but I still didn't find it.

(59:34):
Like I was doing acting and I was booking a lot of stuff for
acting. I was doing well with acting,
which was a huge blessing. My first audition I ever did.
I nailed it. I I like I told my agent I was
like yo, I want to do Nickelodeon and Disney just
cause the child like star and I knocked them both out in a row
and I don't think. Anything really started taking.

(59:55):
Off seriously, until I hit the podcast scene because the
version of me that I was showingonline was like this super over
exaggerated, like child social media.
Like it, it wasn't really me. It was kind of like, yo, what up
guys? Today I'm going to be, you know,
like throwing cereal at people. Like it was things that I didn't

(01:00:17):
really enjoy, but I did it because I was like, oh, I want
to be an actor and a musician. And then I got on a podcast and
I was like, oh, we're all talking like how we talk behind
cameras. So I was like, OK, I could do
this. And then I think my life changed
when the six nine episode came out for impulsive because Mack
at the time was on the show and he didn't want to be a part of

(01:00:39):
it. And bro, I begged Logan and Mike
to let me be on it. I was like, bro, please, like I
will do so good for you guys. And Logan looked at me and goes,
dude, this is a really big episode.
Like, he just got out of jail. Like, I don't know if I could
just throw you in. And I was like, bro, when have
you ever tossed the ball at me? And I didn't hit that?
That's. Such a great.

(01:01:02):
Dog, come on, I'm. Ready bro?
I'm ready. You got to give it to.
Me. I'm ready.
I promise you, dude. And thank God I did well that
episode and they invited me intothe show.
That's awesome, man. What was it?
What was? It about that episode that you
feel like you really knocked it out of the park on that 69
episode. I don't know man, I was just.
I, I prayed, bro, I was like, God, please, like just let me be

(01:01:22):
funny and let me be fun. And I just remember in my mind I
was like, OK, just chill out, don't be too much.
It's like I could get way too much, especially when I was like
young and excited. And I just remember there was a
moment I was cracking jokes and it hit so hard that he had these
bodyguards with masks on. And there I was making them

(01:01:45):
laugh so hard that the dudes in the mask were like having a
problem. And they were like laughing.
And I started talking, I think it was.
To the security guard or to him and then I'm sorry for not.
Remembering too much, because when I'm in it, I don't.
Really remember too much. If I perform, I I kind of black
out, but I remember he he lookedover me and goes, who's this

(01:02:05):
guy? He's funny.
And then Logan's like, yeah, he's actually new.
We're testing him out. And then everybody in the
comments section was like, yo, we should have him on.
And so I think that like kind ofchanged my life.
That's fire. I want to.
I want to hit a. Couple George Danko.
Greatest hits for me. Oh, thank you.
Yeah, that's such a cool thing. To say, by the way, thank you,
the island boys, the island boys, the.

(01:02:26):
Island Boys. I'm an.
Island. Boy, I'm.
An island. OK, so.
The Island Boys episode, Yeah. I thought you were being so
sweet and. Kind to them I I thought I was
too and you were like hey. Like it's all good.
Like, you got jewelry, like if the jewelry doesn't, if this

(01:02:47):
doesn't work out, you can just, you know, use your jewelry to
get some assets. Like and I thought it was so
honest and just genuine and theydid not like it.
I watch it back dude because. Everybody like, thank God
everybody understood where I wascoming from.
I think because Mike and Logan were just unloading on them the

(01:03:08):
whole time, bro, like the whole time they were just roasting
these guys and they and they, itwasn't, it wasn't registering
for them. And then I say something like
truly from my heart and they're like, you know what, shut up,
dude. I got more money than you, your
ass. And I was like, whoa.
And I was like, all right. And they got really upset and
they they were getting like pretty aggressive.

(01:03:28):
They were acting like they wanted to, to fight or
something. It was.
Weird, yeah, but again, like I grew up in a liquor store, so.
Like I'm not afraid of fighting.Logan has seen a left hand
where, like I told him, if we fight these guys, not island
boys, but in a, in a different situation, like he's seen me be
up against where I knew what we're going to an emergency room
where we're going to win. So like I don't, I'm not scared
of fighting. I grew up fighting, but I also

(01:03:49):
had common sense that like the, it was a misunderstanding.
So I'm not going to sit here andfight these kids.
And I just remember like I, I DMD with them afterwards because
like I looked great. Everybody like that was a good
moment for me. But my heart still broke because
I'm like, OK, there's two kids that think I'm clowning on them
and I don't like that, bro. Like I don't want anybody.

(01:04:09):
Like even if it brings me a tinybit of success or the most
amount of success, if it's hurting somebody's heart, to me
it's not worth it, bro. You didn't want them to feel
like the butt of the joke. Well, because I was always the
butt of the joke. So I know how that feels and I
didn't want them to ever look atme and be like, wow, damn.
Like the the truth is this, I love Jesus, so I don't know
where these guys are with their heart and I'm known on the show

(01:04:32):
for talking about Jesus. So I didn't want them to think
that I was mocking them because one day if they want to come to
Jesus, it's going to be like, well, look at his son mocks us.
So why would his father want us?So that really affected my
heart, but I was trying to make it cool with them.
And then I did I we did have like a, a good moment on a on
Adm. So we were good immediately
afterwards. And then I posted a funny video

(01:04:52):
because somebody made a cameo ofthem saying that they love
George Janko. So I posted it and I thought it
was really funny and it did really well.
So like, yeah, Charlotte and theIsland boys, I think one of them
was. Starting to talk about Jesus
more, potentially coming to the faith at some point.
I don't remember the exact timeline, but I remember I saw
something like that. And then, you know, that's a lot
of yeah, they, they, they poppedfast, man.

(01:05:15):
They popped really fast and theywere everywhere.
And then, you know, that was that had to have been hard for
them for like so. Long I'm not a person that talks
I'll about people. I mean, I do 'cause I'm dumb and
I get angry, but like my naturalplace is to be loving to

(01:05:36):
everybody. It was really weird walking
around for a good like year or people like Yo F Island boys.
Like every time they would walk up to me, they would say that
and they would get so fired up. And then they would record me
like I'm going to say something about them.
And I'll be like, Nah, dog, you're, you're on your own, bro.
Like I'm fine with them. And I would do for a year, for a
year. I would sit down with people,
strangers, But no, they're good.They're like, they're fine, you

(01:05:58):
know, you got to. And I would try to explain to
them like they misunderstood me and stuff.
They're like, Nah, dude, I don'tlike the way they talk to you.
Yeah, that's awesome. It's so funny, bro.
Yeah. OK, Andrew Tate.
Andrew Tate. That was crazy.
It was crazy because I don't remember how many episodes you
had out before that point of your It was my last episode of

(01:06:19):
the season. It was your last.
Episode of the season and I. Had a dream about it a year
before. It happened and it was weird
bro, but I have it on document. I had AI had a dream that I had
an episode with him that changedmy life and it's exactly the way
it is. I try not to talk about Andrew
Tate as much because I looked really gay the last time I did.

(01:06:40):
What do you mean you didn't watch that video?
What video, bro? There, there's this this video.
My cousin went up to me and he goes, hey, yo, pause, bro.
Why are you acting like that? And I go acting like what?
He goes, you look mad gay in this clip.
And I said, what are you talkingabout, bro?
I don't look gay. He goes, yeah, watch it.
And then I watched it and I was like, yeah, man, that guy's gay.
I watched my own son. I was like, yeah, I gotta go.
I gotta go back and watch that. Well.

(01:07:00):
Basically, I don't know why I described.
It like this, but I was just like, yeah, when I was because
here's the thing bro, I don't like to shy away from how I
feel, right? But I didn't know how I felt
sounded so gay because I was just like, yo, he was so tall
and like I was so nerve and likethen these other dudes started
making videos as if I was talking about them and it became

(01:07:21):
like a really big thing. OK, I missed all this bro.
It was. Like the?
Funniest thing because at the time it was so like humbling,
like is it blew up. It had like crazy streams.
And then I I felt like the man and then like real quick, real
quick, it just came down on thatclip.
Whoever made that clip, they haunted for me.
Yeah, what I liked about that conversation was that was.

(01:07:43):
One of the few times I've seen Andrew engage with a Christian
and then be like, you've given me something to think about,
specifically about Jesus. Because you didn't go in there
trying to debate. You didn't go in there saying
anything negative about Islam. You went in there and said just
like you made your case for yourfaith.
And he was like legitimately like, you know, man, you giving

(01:08:03):
me a lot to think about. And This is why Tate is
scorching hot. He is scorching hot at the time.
And I I I'd never seen anything like it before.
I was like, man, this is this islike these different worlds
colliding and converging. It was it was phenomenal.
Thank you And. The same feeling I had with that

(01:08:23):
one. Where people are speaking like
that is I, I feel like they're speaking right now about the
Jordan Peterson thing. Yeah, I want to get to Jordan
Peterson, I think. People kind of think.
I, I go in there being like, yo,I'm going to stump these dudes
like I'm going to give them something to think about and
anytime I ever do walk into the room thinking that way, I, I'm
crash and burn like it never looks good.

(01:08:44):
It comes from an ego place. But whenever I walk into a
conversation truly like asking God to speak through me and and
like really really. Like be present in.
The room for not just me, but for whoever I'm speaking to and
whoever is looking up to the wayhe's thinking or moving and, and
how I see it is, God willing, ifwe do our jobs right, that me

(01:09:07):
and Andrew are going to walk into the Kingdom together.
So I'd rather walk in with respect, like hold the door open
for him, let him walk in. So I came in there just to learn
about him and grow with him and get to learn his perspectives
and through that conversation and naturally made him think.
But it wasn't a way of like me, like I'm going to you didn't
come in with an agenda. Never, No.

(01:09:28):
Never would I still like. I still think he's a phenomenal
speaker. I think there's really cool
traits that men could learn fromhim.
I never went in there trying to get him to learn and adapt to be
more like George Jenko. I just wanted to know what his
thoughts were about God and how he But also it's like he out of
all the people I ever interviewed, he was and one of
my favourites just because of how authentic and real he spoke.

(01:09:50):
I got a chill. I'm already giving him too much
compliments. Yeah, yeah.
OK. And the way I look for his eyes,
you sound gay. It's OK.
So beautiful. So so.
Just. Gets back even worse.
So tell me this SO. There's I think this is unfair,
but I'm seeing a lot of like heat on certain podcasts for
like platforming Trump, right? And it's like, yeah, how did you

(01:10:14):
guys not know that he was going to do XY and Z, right?
And then people for having a guest on, it's like people feel
like that's an endorsement of everything that guest has ever
stood for or been a part of, right?
And so like, what with Tate, wasthere ever backlash you caught
for the stuff that was around him and the cases and all that

(01:10:35):
kind of stuff? Or did you not even hear that or
think about it, 'cause I think any, anybody in there, any
podcaster in their right mind isgoing to sit down with the
president. They'll take an interview with
Andrew Tate just because one, ifyou're going in there without
motives and you're like, I'm just curious and I want to have
a good conversation, right? No, I'm not endorsing and
stamping everything this person's ever did.
Do you think that some of that, did you catch any of that

(01:10:55):
feedback critique on any of yourguests And and do you think
that's a fair critique? When I went to go start doing my
own. Work I promised myself that I
would only move in a way that pleases God and so I will sit

(01:11:16):
down with any man filthy or righteous, like I will sit down
with every man because how I seeit dude is nobody's a dirtier
rag than me and Jesus sat at my table.
I he'd even make me go to him orhave to obey or do all these
things as a filthy dumb pile of dirt.

(01:11:38):
The most holy of holy gods sat at my table and talked to me.
So who am I to ever look at any other man and say like, oh, I
don't want to have a conversation with him?
And like all of the smoke I everget, I've learned that the truth
will come out. If I deserve it, I pray that it
comes out. If I didn't deserve it, I pray
that it comes out like whatever God has for me, it will always

(01:12:02):
be good for me. If it's to break me, praise him.
If it's to build me, praise him.So I kind of like read comments
and the ones that affect me thatI'm like, oh, you know what I do
cut the guests off. I need to be better at speaking
or you know what, I shouldn't beswearing so much if I really
want to be trying to walk in obedience.
So like these type of things allactually take to my heart and

(01:12:23):
reflect. But if somebody's like, yo, he's
so and so and he did this, this and that, I listen to it, but I
don't really, it doesn't stick with me because I just think of
the person who's pointing is also like, we're all equal.
So I don't get the point of belittling somebody or thinking
that they're not worth speaking to.
So I just don't register it. And also, I was blessed with

(01:12:46):
being hated as a young age. So like being hated with the
whole, like the Bobby Lee incident, the impulsive into the
Sam Shamone incident, all these things.
I'm very used to it. And I always learned that when
the time is right and it's it's pleasing to the Lord, he'll lift
me and all of the dust and webs and all the things they'll fall.
It doesn't come with me, but I don't stick and feel too much
about it. Yeah, Yeah.

(01:13:06):
That's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting.
As someone that is navigating different conversations and that
line between are you quote UN quote platforming somebody or
are you endorsing somebody? And I think so much of that in
my opinion, is unfair because I've had that, I've had people
on and you're running interference.
It's a softball interview, blah,blah.
And like I'm just trying to havegood conversations, you know,

(01:13:28):
like I'm trying to have good conversations.
And I think that there's there should be space for people to
have good conversation. So I was genuinely curious about
that with some of your guests. Were there any guests that
you've had? On that you were like, oh.
I don't know if I. Like something didn't.
Come out we're not going to talkabout Sam sermon but anything
else that like didn't come out or whatever where you're like I

(01:13:49):
don't know if I should have did this one or I don't know stuff
that didn't make it. How about that guest you've had
on that never came out, just Sam, OK that.
Was the only one Sam. Sam was I never even talked
about it. I'll I'll speak about it because
I have nothing to hide, but I just want to make sure I word
this. Properly because.

(01:14:11):
Hold on, give me a moment. Let me see if I even want to
speak about this, because this caused so much rift.
Let's let's take a break, OK? Yeah.
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That every single person out. There believes in miracles
regardless of their worldview even if they claim to be an
atheist. They say that everything comes
from nothing. We say that everything comes

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from creator. They say order comes from chaos
we say order comes from order. They believe life comes from non
life and we believe life comes from life.
They believe consciousness comesfrom mindless matter.
We believe consciousness comes from a mind.
So this collection, making a statement of the miracles we we
all believe is a great way to spark conversations and remind

(01:14:53):
yourself when you put it on of the ultimate miracle, which is
Jesus living and dying and rising for all of us.
Pick yours up right now at BlessGod Dasha.
And by the way, this guy just straight up asked me the
craziest. Question Ever.
And it goes. Let's pause.
I got to pee. What you guys supposed to tell
him about the bathroom? And he's like, let's talk about
Sam Shimon. Do you know the guy?
That's everybody's been hating you over for the past and by the

(01:15:15):
way, let's you know what, let meask you the question start
talking. We're going to we're going to
pause so I could pee. Dude, that is a crazy.
That's a terrible host move, bro.
That is a terrible host move, bro, trying to get the questions
and then that was terrible. I wanted.
To count the cost on. It if we're going to.
Talk about Sam, I'll just be super.
Super honest and upfront, OK. Before I.

(01:15:39):
Say anything about Sam, I do love him.
I, I want him to prosper. I want him to go preach.
I think he does amazing things for the community of God.
And, and you know, all of us, wehave like faults and stuff and
it was just a weird thing. So this is my perspective.
Anybody else, you can say what you want, do what you want, act
however you want. But this is just from my

(01:16:00):
perspective. The Eucharist situation
happened. My church is not happy with me.
Did I make a mistake? Huge mistake.
I, I, I'm trying to express how I'm feeling, what I'm going
through, what I'm learning. And I, and I use the word that
offended people. Now my heart's broken because
I'm like, bro, like these peopleare like taking it the wrong

(01:16:21):
way. Like that's not what I meant.
And but that one I deserved the smoke for.
Like, I should have been a little bit more respectful.
And to be honest, I'm blessed that I went through that because
it gave me a lot of like wisdom to be very, very cautious with
my words. You know what I mean?
Anyways, so I'm praying and I'm like.
God, I want someone to come. And show me in their in the

(01:16:43):
Bible verses and all that stuff.And so I knew about Sam Shamone
because I would watch his videosonline.
And I also know about Sam Shamone because I'm a Syrian.
He's a Syrian and he's local to you.
Yeah. And this is just me being.
Honest I'm I'm just telling you I don't want anybody to be
disrespectful or not disrespect like take think I'm lying or
anything like this is just I promise this is my perspective.

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I don't even announce that I'm going to have him because I
don't do that. I have the conversation and if
the conversation works out then I post about it.
He posts about it. Immediately hey.
Guys, I'm going on the George Angle show.
So it's like, I know big deal. You know, like it like it gets
the people excited. Like that's totally fine.
I'm excited about it too. And he's a such a powerful
speaker. Unfortunately I had like so many

(01:17:25):
people call me and said hey dudedon't put him on your show.
You were one of them if you wantto ask.
The real questions. You were one of them and don't
put me out there like you weren't.
You were one of them and so manyother people that are his
friends. And I'm not going to be
disrespectful and say their names because I'm not in their
face. But you, I'll call you out
because you're here. There's so many.
Let me, let me let me. Let me add a little context.
No, no, no, you don't get this. You peed.
This is my time. And so and then what did I tell

(01:17:47):
you? I said, everybody has a chance
to come and show themselves. And I was on it.
And you said, dude, that's really cool of you.
OK, So I invite this guy into myhome.
Within the first few seconds, hesaid a lot of disrespectful
things and I'm just on on the podcast or just coming into your
camera, He was. Just saying some weird things
like oh look at the. Money you have, huh?
Yeah, like it was just weird. Like he was just saying some

(01:18:08):
comments and it was just. I already felt like he wasn't
there for a good reason, but I'mlike, OK, whatever, we'll have
this show. We're having this conversation
and he's doing what he's always doing.
He's just trying to bulldoze me.And in my opinion, like, you're
not going to bulldoze me in my faith.
Like, if you want to show me your faith, you're not going to
bulldoze me in my home. No, I don't.

(01:18:30):
Mind that you can bulldoze me like.
I'm just saying you're not goingto nudge me like I'm here to
learn. I want to learn from you.
I'm not here to debate with you.I don't know about the topic.
I see it from my perspective now.
He says that I'm emotional. He says, oh, he's all about
emotions. I am, I base off of everything
of love and respect. Of course I'm going to be

(01:18:52):
emotional. Now, does that mean I only base
everything off of emotion? No, but I would ask, I would say
stuff like, well, what do you think?
I'm like, well, I know I feel about this.
And he'd be like, oh, feelings. And he would always cut me off
and just never let me speak. So I just sat there for an hour
just listening to him. And in his videos, he was saying

(01:19:13):
he was demolishing me. I had Robert there.
As soon as he started being disrespectful to Robert, I asked
him to leave because you could be rude to me.
And by the way, he's being rude to me in front of my wife, in
front of everybody. I didn't mind it, but he kept
calling Robert a fool. And so then I asked him.
I said, dude, like if you think we're fools, which we might be,

(01:19:33):
we might be fools, But if you think we're fools, why would you
not just explain it to us? Why are you yelling at him and
saying mean things to him? And he says, we'll know.
If he's going to act like a fool, he's going to be a fool.
And then I was like, do you think that's how Jesus would
want you to preach? And then he started telling me
that Jesus would cuss people outand do all these things and
stuff like that. So he says, if Robert's going to
talk, then this conversation's over.

(01:19:55):
And so I said, OK, within all due respect, we're done here.
And I shake his hand and I went to go close my audio thing.
It was wiped. So he said that.
We ended the. Conversation because of the
audio thing that was not true. And to be honest, for a man to
go preach the word of God and lie like that, that was really
weird to me. And then I'm seeing him post

(01:20:17):
thumbnails. I haven't said a word yet
because I still respect him and I don't want to disrespect him.
I haven't said a word yet and he's made five videos about me
smashing my head, saying that hebeat me, did all these things
and reading our text messages and framing them in a way it was
weird. And so I texted him.
I said, hey bro, like I don't feel comfortable talking to you.
Like you just go. It felt like, you know what it

(01:20:38):
felt like it felt like he wantedto show the world who he was and
he didn't care if I was saved ornot.
And so I respectfully didn't want to have a conversation.
By the way, and not that many people know this, we had times
to go and do another one. I asked him.
I said, hey, if Robert's bothering you, next time come
and we'll just do it alone. But because how he treated me,

(01:21:01):
how he spoke about me, how he spoke about what God is doing in
my life, he was going on rants and being so disrespectful.
I took a moment and I asked God.I said, God, what do you want me
to do here? Do you want me to retaliate?
Do you want me to speak about this?
And I'll never forget him in this prayer I'm feeling.
He just asked me, do you want his fruits?

(01:21:23):
And I said, there's not a singleplant or fruit that that man has
that I want anything of like I want none of it.
Like he doesn't seem happy. He doesn't seem like he has love
in his life. Every single person that he
works with called me and apologized.
All of the people that he did rooms with, I'm not going to
mention. Obviously I'll mention you
because you're in this room. Many people try to get me not to

(01:21:46):
work with this guy, but I try towork with him because I love and
I respect everybody and I want to have a conversation with
everybody. I will have him back on the
show. I will, I will say this out
loud. I will have him back on the
show. I would love to have a
conversation with him, but he has to come with respect.
There's no reason to come with that much disrespect.

(01:22:08):
Even if me and you don't see eyeto eye, there's no reason for
you to call me words or or or say stuff about mothers or go
eat vomit or these are not like when I'm talking to Cliff, when
I'm talking to Robert, I want tobe like them.
I, I see their wives and their kids and their fruitfulness.

(01:22:29):
I see how happy or how healthy are they are, how they're
running to their neighbors, how they're loving.
That's what I want to be like. When I was with him, it was the
only time in my life where I wasbegging God for this to be done.
I was like, I don't want to be here anymore.
I felt like I couldn't breathe around him.
And so I tried to have a really healthy, proper conversation and
this man only wanted to show me who's boss and hammer on me the

(01:22:53):
things of. And it was just, I don't, I
don't. I just didn't feel like it was
holy. You know what I mean?
It felt like Pharisees. Yeah, Yeah.
And. I did reach out to you and I
called you and I was like, dude,you're having salmon.

(01:23:15):
Be careful. I don't think it's going to be a
good look. I don't think it's going to go
down well. You know, I did call and say
that too. I just thought he would come on
and like bro my dream. Was that he came on and me and
him like I know it sounds dumb II really, I thought he was going
to be like, hey dude, I saw whatyou saw about the Eucharist here
brother. I know the Bible verses like
this brother here look check this out.
What if we read this and blah blah, blah.
But it was just like he was bullying me.

(01:23:36):
Yeah, well, I couldn't even concentrate because I think when
if someone is. Wrong.
You don't have to dominate them to make the point that they're
wrong. Like if, if, if you're wrong,
that could be communicated with the fruit of the Spirit and I
think as Bible. People we.
View the fruit of the spirit. Kindness, gentleness, right

(01:23:58):
self-control like these are highvirtues.
The reason why I didn't invite him back in my house.
Is because he kept talking aboutmy wife and it really bothered
me yeah that was he said your wife's going to leave you your
wife's going to leave you and I was like bro well you don't know
me how could you speak to me this way you don't know me he he
said that to about multiple creators he said that to about.
Guy named Jay Dyer he's he's crashed out so much after that

(01:24:18):
that I think like people, because people are in my comment
section, tell George to release the footage tell George to
release and I'm like, wait a minute, first of all, I don't I
can't tell George George is a grown man like I can't tell
George has any footage to release like and I and.
I promise. Like I like when the audio
crashed, I didn't fight it because I thought God didn't
wasn't pleased with it. So like that's never happened in

(01:24:39):
my life. But also it's like, bro, I'm not
here trying to prove it to anybody.
Like God knows my heart. Eventually the truth is going to
come out like eventually God's going to show the fruits of
people's labor. And so like, I've been here
before, bro. I've been where they used to cut
up footage and make me look likesomething I'm not and God took
me out of that. So again, like I'm not trying to

(01:25:01):
come after Sam. I pray for him.
I want him to prosper. I want him to be good.
Like, my dream is that we're allin the Kingdom of God, but I, I
don't know, man. Like, after all that, I wanted
to invite him back on. But truly, my mom and dad were
like, do not invite that guy back.
Yeah. He didn't have any good
intentions coming in. I think Sam is super smart.

(01:25:21):
I think it's really. Cool that you had him on My hope
was man, I don't think it's going to go well, but maybe he's
in George's home. Maybe he's going to come on his
best behavior. Maybe he's going to come in and
and be awesome and respectful and we'll see a difference
because I've been with Sam in person and in person he's very
cool. He was cool to me in person.
We had a really good conversation.
It was all of and then he's crashing out and I'm calling him
like, bro, you like if you're want to crash out on me, like

(01:25:43):
crash out reacting to my video about something I actually did
or said, don't crash out becausesomeone called you.
Oh, he was talking very badly about someone called.
Someone called me and said that you said this.
It's. Like, no, no, no, Sam, look at
the video, bro. Everything I'm saying about you
in the video, I'm complimenting you.
I'm saying you're smart. I'm saying you're brilliant.
I'm saying you have amazing memory recall.
If you're going to crash out on me, crash out about what I
actually did, not what someone told you I did, because that's

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just not fair. So I think that was that was The
thing is like, and I also knew that a Trent Horn, a Jimmy
Aiken, there's other folks that could have came on and had the
conversation respectfully. Yeah, I had voice reason on.
I like bro we had a great. Conversation, a lot of people
said that oh, he went easy on you fair.
Like bring somebody who wants tohave a conversation.
I'm not having a debate. People think because I have

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little moments of debates because I'm pushing back or I'm
growing, that I thirst for debating people.
Yeah, it's the farthest from thetruth because I've learned very
early age like an invert. Sorry, I've learned from a very
early age debates in the wrong intentions could only push
people farther away. And and when it becomes who's
smarter, who's more right instead of like, yo, what's God

(01:26:48):
feel about this then To me, I have no interest in it.
I don't have any interest in it.I mean, like I just don't, I
don't feel like I'm growing fromit.
I don't feel like I learned anything from it.
You know what hurt me the most bro is I'm very out there bro.
I tell everybody, all of my scars, he removed something from
me that I felt like it was my pride and joy.

(01:27:09):
And it was like me being always real with the world.
And not everybody thinks I'm hiding that podcast because, oh,
I got lit up. No, I would be honored if
somebody taught me something andthen I learned something.
How many times have I apologizedonline?
How many times have I changed mymind?
How many times have I gone out there and I said, hey, guys, I
was wrong on this. Forgive me.

(01:27:29):
This is what I want to work on now.
And when he went out there and said, oh, I cooked him.
He he is no integrity. You guys made him famous.
This is your fault, bro. You're a grown man.
You're you're twice. My age.
Why are you talking to me that way?
Like you should have more calmness, more love.
Like if you really love me the way that you say you love me,

(01:27:51):
you would pull me aside. Say, for example, that
conversation didn't go well. Why are you going online and
ripping me in shreds? Why wouldn't you just invite me
to one of your live streams or, hey, let's do another podcast.
The other one didn't work. Let's do it again.
Hey, George, you know what? I don't feel comfortable being
on your podcast because the lastone didn't get released.
Do you mind coming onto my live stream?
Let's do it live. I would have been there.

(01:28:13):
I would have been like, brother,let's do it.
But because I know where his heart is now, and all he wanted
to do was hurt me. All he wanted to do was bury me
to me. It's like, all right, then
there's no reason for me to go have a conversation with you.
Yeah. Yeah, I think.
I think I've seen you multiple times exhibit humility, change
your mind on stuff. I think about the Girls Gone

(01:28:34):
Bible, another one of my greatest hits, Jorgensenko
moments where they talk to you about profanity and you were
like, yeah, I think I need to grow in this area.
I'm going to actively work on this area.
You haven't used any profanity in this podcast, which is which
is very and I still slip up, bro.
Like if I'm hanging out with. Italians it's like a second
language to me bro. Like I, I mess up.
I'm not a perfect. Man, I just, I'm after God's

(01:28:56):
heart. The best way to do it is to show
the world where my heart is. If I'm not going to lie to God,
I'm not going to lie to you. I'm trying to be as Christ like
as possible in the middle of war.
And that's hard probably. Like it's hard to do that.
I just, I pray that God keeps mehumble and meek and I never take
vengeance into my own hands. I mean, one of the things you

(01:29:18):
said to me, we talked. Recently we were on the phone
and you were just like, dude, post Christian Avengers.
And that whole moment, you're like, I'm a different person
now. Like I look back at that.
I'm like, man, I could have handled that so much better.
And I can't believe, can't believe that I said these
things. And and so it's like you're,
you're you, you, you said something to the extent like you
had to go through that to get onthe other side and be of this

(01:29:39):
version of you. Yeah, let's let's talk about it
from a biblical sense. Like the world knows that I'm a
baby Christian. They see it that way.
And then I recently read Timothywhere he's like, hey, if you're,
if you're new, don't go out and preach because you're going to
be quarrelsome. And I was quarrelsome.
I thought that if I oh like God put me on this platform, I got
to do this. I got to do that I got to do
this. I got to speak like this.

(01:30:01):
But when I watched back the Christian Avengers, first of
all, what a beautiful thing, right?
A beautiful thing to gather those many people.
How sad is it that I took so much of that time hammering on
other people's way of faith? Like to me it when I look at
that guy, he was full of ego andpride and he wanted to learn and

(01:30:21):
express. But if I was coming from a meek
standpoint, I would be asking more questions rather than
directly stating how I feel about something.
And by the way, there were some things that Sam Shamone said
about me that it is real. I am emotional.
I'm working on that. I'm trying to make sure that I
don't jump to conclusions. I am an artist, so I lean with

(01:30:43):
my feelings. So I got to do better with that.
And I, and I'm, by the way, the last thing I want to say about
Sam Shimon. How I feel even after all that.
As I still love him because whatI think this is my honest
opinion about Sam Shimon. I think he has one of the most
powerful voices and minds on this planet, but I think he's so

(01:31:07):
caught up in just proving somebody wrong rather than
pointing to the cross. And so that's where we have the
disconnect. I don't want somebody hovering
over me. I want somebody lifting me up to
God. So when I'm having a
conversation with somebody, I just pray and and honestly,
anybody who loves Sam or dislikes him, we should pray
that he gathers his talents thathe has for God and he uses and

(01:31:30):
hones them in in the ways of thespirit.
And that's with love, it's with kindness, it's with meekness,
this righteousness. It's not dominating and powering
them. And bro, like I'm a pretty solid
doings. I'm under pressure, but like, I
couldn't think from like I was so caught off on how he was

(01:31:51):
speaking to me that I couldn't even concentrate on what he was
saying to me. So even if God say God forbid,
right, he was supposed to teach me something good that day.
I didn't get the message. I didn't get the message.
All I got is 1 message that you're smarter than me, better
than me, faster than me. I'm stupid.
And everything here that I have is actually a curse and it's not
a blessing from God. And my marriage is not going to

(01:32:14):
work out. That's all I got.
Yeah. I mean, I think you got way
more. Of it now being on the other
side of it and seeing you grow in humility, like seeing you up
close growing humility and grow through the situation like I I
think that's been fun to watch. You know, it's been hard for you
as. But as a friend watching you
mature through this whole last six months has been like, wow,

(01:32:35):
because that seems like an eternity ago.
That was just in February. That was this.
That was this year ago. You know that was this year been
right when I released my tours. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had this beautiful dream and
by the way, we're. Still going on tour, but I like,
bro, I have this beautiful thingthat God put in my heart to like
go and perform it to people. And then I released it.
I just got The Avengers one. I deserved it, that one.

(01:32:59):
I deserved it. The Sam Shamon one.
I was looking at God. I'm like my man, my man, What
did I? Do here dude, I was.
Hunting for knowledge here. What did I do here?
But I, it goes to show you, bro,how I got out of all of like
away from all of it is I just kept praising God like, hey, I,
I, I praise God that I got to meet Sam.
I praise God that I got to have The Avengers.

(01:33:19):
I praise God that I have the wisdom to catch what I'm
learning now and learn from it. I praise God that I'm not bitter
or thinking. That I'm right?
And then thinking it's everybodyelse and not me.
I'm very quick to look at what Igot going on.
And dude, it's a beautiful placeto live.
It's a beautiful place to live. Yeah, that's incredible.
Tell me. How is it being on this side of

(01:33:41):
marriage? When I was on your podcast, one
of the things we talked about was like when y'all going to get
married, George? And, and to your credit, you're
right, we're going to move, we're going to get married.
You know, like we're going to move it up.
And I was like, man, that like anytime I've ever seen you
confronted or anything that's like question, you're always
like, I'm willing to, I'm willing to move towards God's
ways in a specific area. So tell me what it's like being
on the on this side of marriage.You guys are coming up on a

(01:34:02):
year. That's a big deal.
Talk to me about that. The best way I could put it.
Is before I was married, I was. A boy doing.
Things And then when God blessedour matrimony and he was pleased
with the way I was behaving, he blessed me with more wisdom.
And bro, it was like all the things I tried to work for

(01:34:24):
before he like just gave it to me.
And I guess the best way that I could put it is that this world
is going to make songs and movies and make you believe that
the best part of your life is being single, looking for love.
And then after that, it's like, oh, you already got it.
It's there's nothing else left. But the truth is finding love is

(01:34:45):
just the beginning. Getting married and starting a
bloodline in a covenant. It's like there's.
Nothing in my life that I love more than.
Being married, like out of all the gifts that God has ever
given me, a Good Wife is. It's insane bro.
I use the talent that he gave meto to be charming, to get what I

(01:35:06):
want, but not what he wanted. When I got married, it forced me
to like hone in my skills for the Lord.
And I just think that when you get married and you intertwine
your spirit with a woman and God, I think that's when the
story. Begins.
I think that's. When the movie begins, I think
that's where life begins and I'mexcited to have a family in the

(01:35:29):
future like I have kids. You guys talking about kids?
We just kind. Of let it be if it happens.
It happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't.
Like, like I just. I'm ready.
Like we're making babies around here.
I like it, Yeah. Yeah, listen, if it like we're
not like. We're not like trying, but we're
not having this is so like out there.
This is like, This is why I got upset about the same thing

(01:35:50):
because I put everything out there and they're saying that
I'm hiding things. I literally just about to say
that I I don't use protection. I like like I put too much stuff
out there. You're not trying, but you're
not not trying. I'm.
I'm leaving it in God's hands. I read a.
Comment once and it, it tore through my heart, Bro, I, I was,
I said, I said, Oh, we're not, we're not having kids right now.

(01:36:11):
We're not ready. And I read a comment and it
goes, Oh no, George is not putting it in God's hands.
And bro, that stuck with me because I was like, oh man, like
I really am operating at that level.
Or like, God, I'll tell you whenI want to have kids, You know
what I mean? Like because right now I got
things going on, but I know thatwhatever God throws my way, it's
a blessing and I'll just praise him as it goes.
So if I tell my wife, hey, if wedon't have kids, if we never

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have kids, praise God, let's go take care of the other kids that
are already born. If God gives us kids, praise
God, let's take care of them andgrow this beautiful bloodline.
I'm just at a place in my life where I'm in not need, bro.
I met I met Cliff and Stewart and I remember one of his Bible
verses he read me that it was his favorite.
He says that the Lord is his shepherd and how he lays in

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green passages and then like pastor sorry, and then I
remember the last words he said.He goes I'm in not want.
I've hung out with billionaires bro.
And they wanted a lot. I've hung out with poor people
and they've wanted a lot. The only people that didn't want

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anything were the ones that werecontent and happy.
And ever since I. Changed my heart.
And said, God, look what you've given me.
I used to weep. I used to weep about having not
even a fraction of what you've given to me.
And now I'm walking around crying, 'cause I'm having a bad
day. Like it's a form of

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ungratefulness. And when that perspective really
get deep in my heart, I promise God, I go.
God let me only to be bitter when it's time to be bitter.
You get what I'm saying? Like, and to be honest, I
haven't found a day since then I've been bitter.
Have I had bad days? Of course, of course.
Have I had obstacles where I feel like I didn't deserve them?

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Of course. But I, I celebrate them now and
I give joy and praise to the Lord.
I've realized that there's goingto be wars that come after me.
There's going to be things and spirits.
There's going to be things that happen.
All I have to do is praise my God and I watch it just separate
anything. If it's a spiritual thing, if

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it's a financial thing, if it's a relationship thing, if it's a
business thing, if I stress overit, I'm worshipping Satan.
If I look at it and I say, praise you God, what are you
doing with this? And I watch him work and I just
instead of sitting here and saying words of doubt and fear,
I'm already putting praise in mymouth to tell my neighbor what

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God's working on. I'm already now we're seeing the
same picture and I'm no longer the leader of the ship.
And now I'm fully at peace. And then not need Cliff married
you guys. Yeah, Tell me what your
relationship with Cliff is like,because I got to see a little
bit of it in person. And he seems to have like a very
beautiful, like almost pastoral dad type influence over you.

(01:39:05):
And, and so tell me what you what, tell me what that's like.
Him and Stuart are amazing. I don't think I could put into
words what that man did. I'm a man that worked his whole

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life or something and everythinggot taken away and God's calling
me to go do something new. I don't know how I'm going to
pay my next mortgage. I've no idea.
Man, I've been. In an alley before, but I've
never been in something like this and I just.
Remember being like God, Like I'm just.
Going to focus on you right now because that's all I could do

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and he. Gave me this man named Cliff.
And when I had a conversation with him and he gave me his
number and he said whenever you need me, you call me.
I was lost. And I needed guidance.

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And I promised myself that I will.
Try to be Cliff to somebody else.
Like that's why when I talk about things and I really push
and I want to like put my heart out there.
Because when I met Cliff, I realized.
That this is the greatest man I've ever met in my life.

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And all he was was a servant of God.
It's all he cared about and he was the happiest man.
He had the most beautiful marriage.
He was so loving and non judgmental when I felt.
Like I hated myself. It was the point in my life

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where I felt like God didn't. Even want anything to do with
me? I just pray that I could be as.
Many people's class. I'm so sorry, I didn't even that

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just kind of hit me out of nowhere.
He just there's moments in your.Life as a Christian man.
You get to step up and God gets to be you for a second for his
children. And he was that for me, man.
I didn't know Jesus the way I knew Jesus and like he taught

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me. So much man he taught me to be.
Confident in the in the word of the Lord and and and be faithful
and be happy and be fruitful. Remember what I was telling you
about the fruits, man, It's likewhen I went to his garden, man.
All I kept saying is like dude, my eyes have been set on the
wrong goals. Like this life right here is
what we should be writing moviesabout, poetry about, music

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about. I sat in his home for 5 minutes
and all I kept I was begging God, I go God, I just want a
fraction of this life. I want a fraction of this life.
And so when you ask me. What was Cliff for me?
Cliff was, I felt like like whenthe prodigal son was walking

(01:42:24):
home and the father was running,I feel like when he when God was
running towards me, he embodied Cliff to run towards me and he
said get him slippers, get him arobe.
When I was like, no dude, I don't deserve any of that.
I would call him. At crazy times of the.
Hours. And what I loved is that he

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didn't just rush me off the phone.
My favorite part of the conversation was.
The ending He listened to every word that I.
Said. And he would pray over me so
long he would pray. Over me and it was a.
Sincere prayer. And I just promised, I just

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promised God. I said if you give me the
opportunity, it could be a stranger in the street, it could
be somebody I've known my whole life.
It could be a in the middle of the night.
It could be when I really can't that I will.
I'll pause anything that I need to do if a neighbor of mine is

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drowning and they're gasping forair and I could just point them
to the cross. How don't you know what's sad,
man? I don't think Cliff.
Will ever know how much I love him.
He's going to know after this. Like I don't think like now.
Because I've cried in front of him so many times.

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Cried in front of him. So many.
Times. Every time I just.
Think about him. And I love his son, man, his son
Stuart. It's like Cliff was such a
blessing to this earth that God had to give us too.
Stuart's great man, you know what I mean?
Stuart is like. Sometimes I would get worried

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that Stuart would get. Like not jealous, but like
uncomfortable that I only wantedto talk to his dad, but like I
felt like me and Stuart are going to grow up together and
there's going to be a time one day where I don't get to talk to
his dad and like I. Give praise to Logan, you know.
He gave me a place where I couldhave a, a, a a job, pay my

(01:44:44):
bills, but Cliff gave me a. Reason to live.
Like to find life in Christ. Like it it was.
I want to end it this way if youever get a chance.
To listen to Cliff, which I should announce this now I, I, I
was going to keep it a surprise but I I should because I want

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people to know he's my guest in my New York show let's go if.
You get a chance to. Listen to the.
Like Cliff Talk and Stuart Talk.Run, run to go listen to them
speak. Run like Billy Graham's like
these type of men that walk thisearth.

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It's a. Shame that we only appreciate
them when they're gone. Yeah, I'm smart enough to be
like. Nah bro, he's.
Breathing, I get to ask him a question.
I get to see his perspective, like what did God put him
through where he's at the level of wisdom and like love that
he's at, you know what I mean? Like in a in a Christian.
Realm we have to pay his dues. Have those scars wipe those

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tears in in a very different time, like he came up in a.
Very different time bro, he's sohumble.
He's so humble. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I got I got one more question for.
You but before I ask that I I dowant to say this to you said you
wish that in the way Cliff was available for you that you could
be available for someone else inthat way.

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And when we lost my niece. You called me randomly.
And we were going through it, bro, I was going through.
It was fresh. It was like a day or two after
and I remember you called, you picked up.
I don't even. Know what you were calling about
I think. You were calling about The
Avengers episode? Nah.

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You just calling? I was on my way to the gym and
like literally got put in my heart to call it.
Yeah, it was weird. I remember that.
And that's a trip. And yeah, you called me and so.
He's like, how you doing? And I remember just breaking
down and just like just telling you everything and I was like
right in the middle of it, bro. I stepped out and you, you, you

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were, you were there and you gotto be that for me for that
moment, dude. And it was, it meant a lot.
How are you going to tell me that and not be able to hug me
after? Saying that, I'm definitely
going to hug you after. Saying that, but yeah.
Man and every. Time we talk, bro.
You just have this way of just kind of getting it out of me.
He's just like, how are you doing, man?
Like I still my wife, my wife, Iforgot I was telling my wife

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about our one of our last conversations and I told, told
her some stuff that I told you some stuff that I haven't told
anybody about some stuff that I've you know, and she's like,
you told George that And I was like, he just, he just gets it
out of me. Like, I don't know, he just gets
it out of me, man. So I remember like being on the
phone and you were just like, how you doing?
I just started sobbing and told you like, man, we just lost my
niece. It's it's dark right now.

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We're going through it. And.
Yeah. And you were like, dude, just
like, I'm here. If you need me, call me.
I think I called you once after that and you picked up and I was
like, wow, you know. And so.
Yeah, man, I think what Cliff was to you, oddly enough, you
were to me. And in those moments, and those
are some dark moments, you know,and that could be that.
Mormon. Yeah.
That feels like an. Eternity.

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That feels like an eternity. Ago and it wasn't that long ago.
That was less than a year ago, you know, when I was going
through that. So yeah, man.
So thank you. My last question for you is
tours coming up, it's doing well.
New York with Cliff, you're going to announce other guests,
people go, go get the tickets, go to the tour.
It's going to be phenomenal. What can people be praying?

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About for. You in this next season.

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I would ask people to pray that I search.
For the Kingdom. And that through all of my trial
and. Error that the Lord is deeply,
deeply pleased with me. Not because I'm perfect, because
I don't think I'd ever be able to do that, but I pray that

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forever. Until my last heartbeat.
My first concern will always be about what God thinks of me and
that if I ever go through an anytype of obstacle that would get
me so fearful that I take my eyes off of Jesus, I pray that

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my eyes. Can't come off of.
Jesus, not because of my strength, but because of their
prayers. I pray that.
As Justin Bieber would say. I'm clocking it.
What a great way to end the conversation, George.
Thank you man. Thanks for coming to Lulo Vista,
CA. Thank you bro.

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I appreciate hanging out with us.
This is beautiful bro. Hopefully people enjoy it.
I appreciate it. All right, brother, what can I
get tickets? For the tour, the.
George Ango Show dot com. And get your tickets.
All right, there you go. Go to George St.
Gris show that. We're out of here guys.
Peace. Did you know that every single
person out there believes in miracles regardless of their
worldview? Even if they claim to be an

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atheist? They say that everything comes
from nothing. We say that everything comes
from Creator. They say order comes from chaos.
We say order comes from order. They believe life comes from non
life, and we believe life comes from life.
They believe consciousness comesfrom mindless matter.
We believe consciousness comes from a mind.
So this collection, making a statement of the miracles we all

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believe is a great way to spark conversations and remind
yourself when you put it on, of the ultimate miracle, which is
Jesus living and dying and rising for all of us.
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