Raising a Glass to History: Hermann, MO's Rich Heritage

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Here's a question, folks, Ibet that you won't get what is the
oldest continually operatedconcert hall and tavern west of the
Mississippi? We'll find out onSt. Louis in Tune. Welcome to St.

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Louis in Tune and thank youfor joining us for fresh perspectives
on issues and events withexperts, community leaders and everyday
people who make a differencein shaping our society and world.
I'm Arnold Stricker, alonghere with co host Mark Langston.
Mark, it's been a while sincewe've been on the air. We took a
hiatus there with the summerand the July 4th holidays, etc.

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And all that kind of stuff.Howdy. That's my. Is my country showing.
Howdy, partner.
How do.
Hey, y'. All. That's it. Hey,y'. All.
What's on your boot?
Clean it off.
Get it off before you come inthe house. Get that stuff off. Anyway.
Howdy, Arnold.
It's good to see you, Mark.And I know that you would say it's

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good to be seen. It's good tobe seen. That's correct. We have
a incredible show for youtoday. One of our guests that we've
had on previously back instudio to talk to us about the latest
book. And I was changing upthe show a little bit and we'll get
into that, but just want togive folks a little bit. We're going

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to kind of change things up.We normally have done in a what I
would call the return tocivility and we're going to start
a new kind of thing.
Have we given up on civility?Is that.
No, we've not.
I think I finally got to you.
I think. I think, yeah, I'mtired of being civil. We exhausted
the 365 thoughts. Return to civilities.

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And it didn't make anydifference. No, it didn't.
Hopefully it did for somefolks. So we're going to do some
thought thoughts to ponder andjust think about these things. Some
of them are, I would saytrite. Some of them are really deep.
Some of them are like, ohyeah. And some of them are like,
I never thought about that. Sohere's one for all of you who are

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Yeah, I am too.

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I just didn't run.
She's the smart one.
That's a Nordic track.
That's the voice of DeaHoover. Dea was born in Hannibal
and raised in Vandalia,Missouri. She is a full service tour
operator in the city of St.Louis and her business is called
Are we there Yet? And it is afull service travel agency. She is

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the also best selling authorfrom Reedy Press of STL Scavenger
and a Walkthrough History. Andshe's here to speak to us about her
new book, Hannibal. Excuse me.Herman, Missouri, A Walk Through
History. It's another H book,Another H city in the state of Missouri.
For Hoover.
Yeah, for Hoover. That's right.

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Good.
I was surprised with a lot ofthings. You know, Mark and I are
both St. Louisans. We'renative Missourians. We're born and
raised in St. Louis and we'veboth been to Herman, Missouri. But
there's some things I learnedabout Herman that I never knew. And
one of those things was the.Was this about the oldest continually
operated concert hall andtavern west of the Mississippi?

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What?
That's wild.
It is, because the communitywas planned. I think that's the thing
that we don't ever hear aboutbecause you don't do the historical
part of Herman, right. You hitthe winery, you got beer at 10 mil,
you're going on the wagon rideor you're taking the train in. But
it was a planned community in1837 by the Philadelphia Settlement
Society. So the people thatmoved there wanted to be there and

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stay there. And I think that'ssomething I always tell people from
out of state when I give thema tour. I said Missouri was the Wild
West. I always joke. KathleenMadigan, the comedian from here has
the joke. Missouri during theConfederate War. Why leave home?
Because we had the third mostskirmishes after Virginia and Tennessee.
We fought all the time. We hadJesse James, Robin, people saying
it's because of the Union. Andthey had the younger boys and we

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had all these skirmishes. Andeven Mark Twain joined the Rawls
county militia. And then hedecided he didn't like it and left
and went west. So the Thingabout Herman is they wanted to be
there. And I think that's the.And you had the French fur trappers
and traders there, but thenthey left. Right. But you had this
community that wanted toretain and promote German values
and culture.
Now, the PhiladelphiaSettlement Society, they're obviously

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from Philadelphia.
So this is something youlearn, especially in Texas. Have
you all ever been down toTexas, to Fredericksburg?
No, I haven't gone to Fredericksburg.
So what happens in Germany?And one of the reasons Adolphus Bush
was here, he was one of 22children. The male, the oldest male
of each German family receivesthe inheritance of the land. So if

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you're those 21 other kids, ifyou're a girl, you better marry well.
And if you're a boy, youbetter go figure out how to make
your own way. And of course,you had the regime changes happening
in Germany. There was a lot ofpolitical unrest, and so they were
settling people here. SoPhiladelphia was one of those settlement
societies that sent lettersback to Germany, put out flyers,
had it announced in thechurches. Come to America. Come get

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land. And then they thought,we're assimilating too much. Because
immigrants, especially then,were forced to assimilate. And so
they said, we need to preserveour German culture and language heritage.
So they sent poor George Baerwest. And I'll tell you why. He's
poor George Bear at the end,and he finds this land. And of course,
the weather's beautiful. Hesees the Missouri river, reminds

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him of the Rhine. Said, thisis it. He pays for it, goes back.
Okay, everybody who wants togo, sign up. When they came here
to settle, it was the wintertime. And it was one of the coldest
winters we had ever had. Hefell ill. Couldn't come with the
first group.
They're here, the originaltour group to Herman.
The tour director's down.They're all just loosey goosey. Nobody's

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telling them what time to dostuff, where to be, what to do. Yeah,
it was a disaster from thataspect of it. And then he finally
got there, and he was. He hadto divvy up the plots of land. So
they had been there, like notknowing what to do as much. And some
of it was happening, but hewas supposed to be in charge. And
the poor guy's a schoolmaster.He's not a business person. He's
not someone who's been aclerk. So that's how everything happened.

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But like in Texas, same thing.They were sending letters back to
Germany. Come to Texas. Ialways tell people when we go to
San Antonio Listen, thatmariachi band. Hear that bum bum.
What does that sound like? TheOompa. Because the Germans were there
and that mixed in with themusic. Because they had their tubas.
Wow.
So it's interesting that Ididn't understand all that until

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I became an over the road tourdirector. And it happened a lot across
the US because we had land available.
So why the name Philadelphia?Was it just because.
No, Philadelphia is just wherea big group of Germans were.
Okay.
And so that's where. Becausealso remember, like, if you do, the
Campbell House Museum here inVirginia, get all our furniture.
Not New York, not Boston.Philadelphia. It's the place. So
that was a large city, andthat's why the streets are so wide

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in hermit. Because it wasgoing to be as big as Philadelphia.
Yeah, that's something youmentioned in the book. That they
are. And they're currently still.
They are, yeah.
Yeah.
So George Bear, he ended up.
He came there, they were sounhappy. And then he dies. And I'm
sure it was a stress. Okay. Sothey bury him facing away from town.
They put out an edict. No onecan be buried within 35ft of him.

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And he was shunned, basically.
Really?
So they turned the casket sohis face is facing out of town.
Yes. So he can't see thebeautiful river and settlement. So
then when they had thesesquicentennial in the 80s, they
had a mock trial. They turnedhim around and they voted him back
in. And he's got a nicelittle. There's a picture in there.
He's got a nice little castiron. He's got an extra marker.
What about people who arereally upset?

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Wow. This is all.
Why were they so upset?
Because they're German. Theyknow how to hold a grudge. I'm German
on both sides, man. And I.They know how to be mad for a long
time. My grandfather's namewas Herman.
Wow, this is a tough room heretoday. I'll tell you right now. Wow.

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Yeah. Are you sure you weren'ta runner? I'm out of breath.
Now. I knew about the train disaster.
Oh, you did? A lot of peoplehave told me they didn't.
I haven't heard about that. Itwas a train disaster in there.
Yeah. It's a typical thing,right? It was a big media event.
This is what, 18? But it'sstill a big media event. The whole

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push. Okay. So first of all, Iwas just on a train down in Arkansas,
A and M. So remember, even tothis day, railroads are privately
owned in the United States.Amtrak pays and Asks to get on the
schedule to take the rails. Westill are all privately owned. Atlas
Shrugged. Remember Ayn Rand'sAtlas Shrugged? It was all about
the railroad owners and investors.

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I don't think I ever thoughtabout gave it a thought.
And so still is.
That sure explains a lot.You're right, Arnold.
So they're promoting thistrain to bring all these tourists
because St. Louis people,obviously, we have one of the largest.
You know, one of the largestimmigrant populations is German.
And to bring them here and toget away from the. Remember, we had.
We were burning the soft coal.So all. Anywhere there was a factory

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or at somebody's house burningthe cheap coal. It was like black.
So you wanted to come to thecountry. So they had. They had rain
and not rain, but a gullywasher. And so the captain or the
conductor had such hubris. Hedid not check to see if everything
was okay because they'd run atrain over the day before, before
the overnight rain. And that'swhat happened. Because you know where

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the post hole. I don't know ifyou call them post holes, the braces
that go down in the ground andin the water had gotten washed away.
Oh, my.
And there were some very.There were very prominent St. Louis
people on this. And this 47people were at the. In total were
the ones a Shoto.
Descent was on that.
Yeah. Shoto descendant waslike, yes.
What?
Yeah. It was a big deal. Itwas the high rollers of the day,

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the important people of St.Louis, and they wanted to be on the
train. It was a big deal toget a ticket. It was a big deal to
go. They went to see and beseen. And then this happened. And
what a tragedy. This is whywhen I'm sitting on a plane and they
say we have to check somethingand people start grousing, I look
around, I'm like, so, do youwant to get there?
Yeah.

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I used to work. Run theservice department at Saturn. Do
you want to get there? Do youwant your wheel to fall off or you
got an axle bad here? Do youthink you ought to fix that?
Yeah, let them check.
Are you ball joint?
Let me ask you this, becauseyou've taken the train to Herman
many times. Do they slow downgoing over the Gasconade river now?
It's on the. We're usually notthere. That's on the other side.
See, when you're from St.Louis to Herman, it's past Herman.
That was the other part of it.Everybody had to come from Herman

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to go help rescue the people.And they did Everything they could.
So it was. Yeah, it was verytough. Very tough. And remember,
the old trains were the mules.So now it's the River Runner. But
back then, they were theMissouri Mules is what they called
them. Because we were veryproud of that because we had won
the grand championship at theWorld's Fair in 04. That was Tom
Bass from Mexico, Missouri,who was a biracial trainer. He trained

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a mule to ride, be ridden likea horse. And so the army, after the
1904 World's Fair, after thatmule won grand championship, all
mules in the military had tocome from Missouri. Then I find out
from my mom when we're in CapeGirardo at the museum that both of
my grandpas had mules.
You learn all kinds of thingson St. Louis in Tunesville.

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And I looked at her.
I looked at her and I said,where's the mule money? I could have
been a mule heiress. And justlike that, said Grandpa Bonce was
getting Uncle Bill out ofjail. And your Grandpa Hoover had
15 kids. So there's. There was a.
Where is that coming from? Thebush family had 22. And then the

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15.
You know about.
They're all Catholic.
You know about them.
They're German. They were allGerman. Yeah, the Hoovers were German.
The Bonsets were German.
It was cold. Mark.
I'm Catholic, so I can say.
And we weren't Catholic. Ifound out why the Hoovers. My grandpa
was so we were Huguenots.Apparently, they do not like the
Catholics.
Stand in line.

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If you wanted to go to theworst house in Missouri.
Okay, go ahead.
You go to. You go to Herman.And it's really the Versed house.
Not the worst house, but it'speople who don't pronounce the Js.
The first house, go to theworst house in Missouri.
Is that Tim Conway?
Their name's the worst.
That's right.
That's a long standing placethere. The Verst house.

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He opened it. He was.
Oh, wait. Is that the first orthe worst? What is it?
W U R S T. It's the first on.
It's the first on first. He'sactually originally from Swiss Missouri.
The first, not the worst.Okay, okay.
If you give me the hiccups,you're in big trouble.
I'll turn my microphone off.

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So Mike Sloan, who got a fullpage. Now, I don't always. I send
in the pictures and I let theeditors do their job. And I was like,
mike, man, you're looking.Auto parts building is what it was.
And he bought it and came inand put the smoker in the back. The
deer are back there. So when Ibring my St. Louis people, we do
the tour. I just pray hedoesn't have a deer hanging there.

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Oh.
Because I grew up with that.Like in Vandal, your neighbor would
get a deer and you'd look outthe back window.
It is what it is, the venisonin the. In rural Missouri.
Yeah, yeah. So anyway, so Mikemoved in and he's made such a go
of it and he's a great Steven.He wins all these awards before for
the sausages, for the wor, forthe verse and. Yeah, like my favorite

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thing is the. I think it's theLebanon bologna. It's sweet bologna.
And so he makes all kinds ofstuff. So we are going to be there
on the 27th of July. And bythe way, my birthday is the 29th
and I'm a Leo. So if you'dlike to bring me something. Yeah,
like a card.
Money.
Money. No, just wish me happybirthday. I just want to be recognized.

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Sunday, July 27th. It's partof the barbecue and beer festival
that's happening in Herman the26th and 27th. So I'm gonna be there
after church like 11 until 2on Sunday.
Signing books.
Yeah. What is the. Was theriver that goes through Herman?
Missouri River.
Missouri River.
And the bluffs are beautiful.Gorgeous if you've ever been there,
which.
Is why they want to settle there.

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I mean, they are there. It'slike a vista. It's just absolutely
gorgeous. Those bluffs, thatwas the first thing I noticed when
I went to the.
And if you're a bicycleenthusiast, you could take the Katy
Trail. Ride the Katy Trail outto Herman and cruise across the bridge.
It's the Kit Vaughn Bridge.And ride right in. Stay at it.
How far is that from St. Louisto ride?
It's quite a ride, I would think.
Remember that mile marker 26is the beginning of the Katy Trail.

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I had this couple that hadbicycled all the way from California
and they called Maggie. Theywere over in Alton and wanted to
do a tour. So I went and Isaid, tell them the air conditioner.
That was back when I had myhusband's beat up blazer. I'm like,
it's only going to get down to80. And they're like, that's fine.
We almost froze to death inthe mountains. So then they're telling
me when I pick them up inAlton, they're telling me that they
are on the Katy Trail and allof a sudden there's a rock. And it

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ends like it doesn't go acrossa bridge. So it's like I had to get
my map out and they had tomake their way to Alton on bicycles
with saddlebags over thebridge. Wow. To get to chain of rocks.
What are we paying taxes for?
Where were the arrows? I know.Where were the wayfinding signs for
them? Because they assumeeverybody's going to be picked up
and dropped off by a car.
Right.
So it's crazy. Yeah.

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No, it's. It's quite a ways,Herman. You know, if you drive out
70 even, but you have to godown Highway 19. So I'm going to
guess it's probably, oh, atleast 100 miles. Yeah, at least.
Is it in Franklin County? Isthat Franklin County?
Gasconade?
Gas.
Well, you've got gas. Yeah. AtFranklin is Washington.
Okay.
So Washington, New Haven. Soyou can come out 50 if you're driving.

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I highly encourage. Unlessit's planting season or harvest season.
Then you don't want to do that.
That's a pretty drive.
It's a beautiful drive andit's not too curvy, but it's nice.
Like when I had a Mini Cooper.It was a great drive.
Wow.
Little six speed supercharger.
Yeah, this Arnold Strickerwith Mark Langston of St. Louis and
Tune. We're talking to DiaHoover about her latest book, Herman
A Walk through History. One ofthe things and I'm probably going

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to forget because this is whathappens when you get older is you
forget what you were going tosay. And I should have said that
before I did the who we are.
And you explain over explain things.
Yeah, I do over explainthings. Yeah. Overthink things. Yeah,
I do overthink. Now I can'tremember what I was going to say.
Do you have a note? Do youhave your notepad in your pocket?
That's what our great auntused to do.
Yeah, that's exactly right. It is.
So when she walked into theroom, she knew what she was supposed

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to get. I thought that wasreally smart.
I have no clue what I wasgoing to say. It'll come back to
me sometime. Probably in thenext 15 years.
All right.
So there's not only beerthere, but wine and the deer. Burke's
did a thing with wine. Buttalk a little bit about which a lot
of people don't understand,how Missouri saved the French wine
industry and the California.Okay. Yes.

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Really?
Yes.
California is beholden to us.
Well, and the French andFrench wine. All those vines in France.
So Veuve Clicquot if you'veseen that on Netflix about the story
of the widow who took over theVive Clicquot. That's a bright orange
wine bottle label that they'rethe only ones that they can. That
can use it. It is patentedfor. It's V E U V E. I'm probably

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not saying it C L I C Q U O T.But that was the grape that was saved.
If you go way back, like whenI was a kid about Luther Burbank,
remember him grafting plants?So then the Stark brothers in Louisiana,
Missouri, cabbaged onto thatand they made the red. The famous
Red Delicious apple. And itwas one of the biggest, most. Because
again, it won at the World'sFair. That made the best. That made

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the best apples that couldresist bugs, that had the best flavor.
And so George Hussman wasdoing this with grapevines. So what
happened was. And now the restof the story, like they had a really
good article in Feastmagazine. I think we actually sent
the varmint over to France ona boat. It like slipped on a boat
and then got on there vines.We said, oh, we'll save you because

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our roots are resistant. Sowhat happened was they took the roots
that were resistant to thislouse or lice and they grafted it
to their grapevines and thatresisted because their.
Grapevines were just dying.
And they'd see, okay, thismakes my head itch. But they're like,
oh, there's all these lights.So they just see the lice just chewing
up the roots, which you neverthink about lice in the ground. And

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I think about them jumping onour heads, but I don't think I'm
in the ground. So that's whatwas doing it. Then California had
another. They had a problem.And so again, he went out there and
showed them how to graft theroots that were resistant. That's
a. That was a very forwardthing in the 1800s to think about.
And the Durburgs are opening.One of their wineries is the Husband
Winery.

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Okay. And those vines camefrom out in the Herman area.
Well, they had brought themwith them. And the French have brought
theirs as well. So everybody'ssharing vines. You've got all these
different grapes becauseremember in Europe the water would
kill you. That's why everybodyhad wine and beer. That's why the
monasteries made beer, becausethe water will kill you. Because
back then they didn'tunderstand about germ theory and
bacteria and all that. Sothat's why you always drink. Yeah,

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Exactly. And so it was veryimportant to have your grapes to
make the wine. And the Bushfamily really preferred wine, but
you can't make itconsistently. And it was so interesting
when I learned that at thebrewery. And then when I was on a
plane years ago, I sat next toa guy from AB and we had talked about
it. He said, the problem isyou can't have consistent grapes.

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He goes, hops are consistent.Rice. Everything we make the beer
with is consistent. But withgrapes you never know. That's why
different years are different.
Interesting.
Just a side, like, wealth ofinformation. That's why the water
in St. Louis is so good too.Because of the brewery.
Yes. And they made sure it waspure and there were no. No extra
minerals. It's not hard water.And we get ranked, like best water

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all the time.
I know.
We drink out of the tap. Idrink out of the tap all the time.
I know. I'm. Yeah. Spoiledabout it.
Here's what my. I was going toremember the county. I didn't know
this either. The county backthen stretched all the way down to.
Where is it?
Almost the border of Kansas.
Almost to the border.
Yeah.
Of Kansas and down south.
Yeah. It was huge becausethey're out there plaiting this land

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and you got the fur trappersrunning around. The Trail of Tears
had not been totally pushedout. And they're like platting these
maps so they're making theseenormous counties. So Today, Missouri
has 114 counties and St. LouisCity is its own county, remember?
And that means thatunfortunately. But there's. I know
there's 114. So that's howmuch we have shrunk the size of each

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county because the power wasin the county seat. So if you're
the banker and the lawyer, youwant your town to be the county seat.
And you gotta make a county tohave a county seat. If somebody else
has already got it.
And they have a greatcourthouse in Hermit. It's just.
Did you read the story about that?
No, I didn't.
Okay. So first of all, it'sthe only courthouse in the country
made with private money. Therewas a businessman there who gave
the 50 grand, said, Here,let's build a great courthouse. Copper

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dome has brick on it. But Idid not know until I was writing
this book that you cure brickwith vinegar. So they would put the
vinegar on it to cure it. Butyou can also cure it with beer, and
it was cheaper. So the entirecourthouse, they pour beer on their
bricks. They put beer on the brick.
Was this after.
Yeah. And it cures wellbecause today we seal our brick.

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Right. After 50 years, yourbrick becomes a sponge on your home
and then it pulls the waterin. So you need to seal it. So same
drunk courthouse. Now, I don'tknow that it sealed it, but it made
the clay. It was fired. Butyou protected it.
Yeah, protected it a little bit.
And this may be totally wrong.
Some scientists seal my brickin my house.
Yeah. We did ours because myfather in law in New Jersey said
you need to do that becauseit's. Because ours is 1926 on the

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hill. Yeah. So we had a guycome seal it. Now how do you know
they really did it though?Right? Because it's clear. What if
they just put egg yolks on itor something? How would you know?
But I'm trusting that he wasan honest guy because, well.
And you have to be carefulwith that because you have to let
the house breathe.
Thus the painting is bad.
And some paint will allow themoisture to go through. You have
to buy the right paint ifyou're going to paint your brick

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because otherwise it holds the moisture.
Brick iris hurt.
You're right.
So there's a special paint forpainting bricks.
Yes.
Learning something all thetime here.
Are you taking notes?
I am.
We are a wealth of informationfor everyone who listens to.
I've always heard, don't paintbrick. It's bad.
Yeah. And that's why. Butthey've developed a paint that allows

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the brick to allow themoisture to go through, but no moisture
to come in.
Gotcha.
I don't understand it.
I sounds expensive.
It is. That's why people paintit with cheap latex paint and it
ends up peeling and they endup having mold on the inside of the
wall.
Bad idea.
So we're going to come back toDIA Hoover and talking about the

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book Herman A Walk ThroughHistory. And I have to show you folks
the front of this cover. Ifyou're watching on Facebook or YouTube,
you can see that. But we'regoing to talk more about the book
with DIA after our briefbreak. This is Arnold Stricker with
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about Herman, Missouri, a walkthrough the history with Dio Hoover.
Now this Arnold Strick withMark Langston of St. Lucian. Tune.
And we're talking to DiaHoover, who was born and raised in
Hannibal and then moved toVandalia. And she's done a book on
Hannibal, A Walk ThroughHannibal. You've done a book on the

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what was your first book?
Scavenger Hunt. STL Scavenger.The 15 neighborhoods around St. Louis.
Yes. STL Scavenger Hunt. Andnow the Herman, Missouri book. DIA
the photos in this are juststunning. And I want to give a shout
out to one of the groups thatdid these and that's the Flying Squirrel
Aerial Optics. I love thename. Mark Flying Squirrel Aerial

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Optics.
Really?
They have a drone. And thesephotos are just gorgeous.
So when I was sitting at theMark Twain Diner, which I would always
go grab a loose meat burger atthe diner, Made right. Made right.
And they had all thesepictures on the wall and I looked
at and I called my friendMegan Rapp, who is now the director
of the Mark Twain Boyhood Homeand Museum, which I'm very proud
of, and I said, who are thewho's this? Fl oh, that's Dave. I

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work out with him@the ymca. SoI used some of his pictures in Hannibal.
So I called him up I'm like,hey, I'm doing this book on Herman.
Have you all been down thereand taken pictures? He said, no,
but we've been looking for anexcuse. And all of a sudden, I get
this Dropbox file with allthese beautiful photographs. He uses
a drone, and he just takesamazing photos. Like the front cover.
Look at that. You get thewhole Main Street. You couldn't do

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that any other way. And theywent down there during fall for me,
and it was really nice. Theygot the McKittrick. You're talking
about the Katy Trail, theMcKittrick stop there. They got that
real good picture because itdoesn't look great from the ground.
I kept trying to takepictures, and it looks much better
to see. Okay, here's thetrail. Here's the little shelter.
And a lot of the buildingsthere are now historic preservation.

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They're very smart. SoFlorissant did that. Ferguson did
that. Herman did that.Hannibal did it. They went and got
them on the National Registerof Historic Places. This one is back
in. I believe, in 71 also. Andit was smart because then look at
all the things that got torndown in St. Louis by protecting those
brick builds that wereoriginally built. They had to stay
right, because think abouttaking the second one out, the fifth

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one out. It just looksterrible if somebody builds a modern
building. So they were smart,and they locked that down. Like,
when I was up in Hannibalworking on it, I saw that Aslie Hamilton,
St. Louis County HistoricPreservation. He was friends with
Henry Sweets, who was thedirector of the Mark Twain Boyhood
Home and museum for over 30years, and they were the ones that
did it. When I went to theMissouri State Parks and pulled it
up, it was that they. They didit together in Hannibal because it

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takes time, and you got towrite it the right way. It's like
looking for a grant. And Ithought, good on them for getting
it done.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Something I did not know youhad these areas throughout the book
called. Did you know? And Isaid, no, I didn't know this.
Yeah, that was my hope.
The vault of the twelve Apostles.
Yes. And I will tell you, Idid not unearth that story. Actually,

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one of the people at ReedyPress said, hey, what do you know
about these? And I instantlywent in super researcher mode. So
at Stonehill Winery, andthere's a very good video on YouTube
from Stone Hill. So at StoneHill Winery, they had these beautiful
carvings on these 12 enormouscasts. And, of course, they were
the 12 apostles. Matthew,Mark, Luke, John. I guess they did.

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I guess they did. Judas Idon't know. But anyway, they had
the carvings. Then prohibitioncomes along and they're keeping wine
in them. These are winebarrels. So the employees find out.
So they empty the wine out ofthem and bottle it. And then they
take the. Take apart the. I'musing the word. Yeah. The cask and
the little. The wooden staves.Staves. Thank you. Staves. So you

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remember that?
Yeah.
There you go.
Staves from Missouri Oak.
That's right. White. Yes, yes,White oak. So the staves apart. And
they were. The plan was to putit on a train and put it on a ship
to Germany. Prohibition wasduring World War I. So we believe,
because that plan got foiled,they diverted. They were going to
take him to a German. Therewas a whole German community in Brazil

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farming. And they wereplanning to take it there, but they
were never heard from again.And my suspicion is they're in some
private collectors collection,like all the great stuff.
Or they're in some barnsomewhere that nobody knows about.
Yeah, like the guy up in LakeCounty, Illinois who rescued a carousel
that was like sitting out inthe middle of the field in Nebraska.
And he took it up there andput it together. So anyway, they

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were there and everyone knewabout them and they were talked about
and they were written aboutand they were talked about in the
papers. So we know that theyexisted. So what I said is, if you
go to Deutscheim, which is thesettlement house that's under Missouri
State Parks office, they havea cast there and I have a picture
of it that is carved. Now it'snot near the size, but it will give
you that idea of the carvingthat was happening in German.

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How big were those casts in Herman?
Yeah, roughly.
I think they were like 8 foot tall.
Holy smokes.
They were really tall. Yeah. Iwatched that YouTube video and he
was explaining what they hadin their.
Records, which that would makesense because I'm going to read this
first sentence from this. Didyou know area Stone Hill has one
of the largest cellars in theworld and at one point it held 1.25
million gallons of wine. Mark.

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Aye. Yai yai.
That's crazy. Yeah, that is crazy.
And Herman, and the thing Iwant to share with you is we're the
Cave state, right. Missouri.That's where the show me state. But
we're also the cave state.That's a hand dug cellar. They didn't
just go in and use pants.
Are you kidding me?
They dug it out. So it was asdeep as they wanted it and wide as
they wanted it. And the waythey wanted it. Can you imagine?
Yeah.

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Dug it out.
Yeah. That's what's sointeresting about it.
Wow.
And it didn't collapse. Theybuilt it. Right. Wow. What's the
population of Herman do you know?
Like 2500 people.
Isn't that something?
And they used to have. Now, Idon't know with Airbnb is. It's hard
to track. They used to have 50bed and breakfast 10 years ago.
Yeah.
Which is staggering for a townthat size. But like my friend, she

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has bed. She had bed andbreakfast in Morrison. So they had
his. They called it the motherin law house because it was her mother
in law's house. And they fixedthat up and then they had the one
at the top of the hill. Sopeople had homes and you can convert
them. I mean, they. Theconvention visitors bureau there.
The visit Herman. They saythat there's about 300 rooms available
in Herman for overnight, whichis pretty amazing.

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So really, tourism is probablytheir biggest industry.
That. And then. Yeah. And theyhave a few factories and stuff. But
yeah, the tourism is huge.Right. This is why I try to tell
people as a tour director, I'mlike, you want us because we come
and we leave a bunch of taxmoney and we leave a bunch of room.
Tax money. Like for instance,in St. Louis, it's 17% on a room.

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Cleveland's the same way. Andthen we leave. We don't use your
schools. We don't use thesewer. Except for a few days. We're
not taking your water. We'renot very good thing. Then you leave.
It is a huge industry. And thewine. And now the Durburgs have brought
in the beer. And then they'redoing distilling now. Yeah. So the
distillery is veryinteresting. They moved in and that

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just means to wander. Fernoismeans wanderlust. And they're right
there at the end as you go upthe hill towards the church. Yeah.
Talk about your tour businessfor a little bit. What do you do?
How often do you do it? Wheredo you go?
So I. It's my third career. Iwas in retail. Then I was in the
car business. And then I comeout of Washu and one of my friends,

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Dads, I can't believe you'reselling cars and you have a business
degree from Washu. I'm like, Ididn't say anything, but I'm thinking,
buddy, I make more money thanmost of my classmates and I have
a new car to drive every day.But anyway, I digress. So I worked
at a tour company because Oneof the women had a Saturn. And so
I worked at this tour company.And then 18 months later, nine, 11
happened. And I always swore Iwould never own my own business.

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I was just lamenting to Markand Ernie before we started that
my mom passed away. I've gotthis Main street business in Vandalia,
Missouri. I need to keepgoing. And I said I would never,
ever own my own business. Andnow I have two. And now that mom's
passed away, I have three. SoI started Are we there Yet? From
scratch, on a cell phone andlaptop and an all in one printer,
fax. And I plan tours, I selltours, and we operate the tours.

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So that way I can choose to gowhere I want to go. Because when
I work for somebody else, Ihad to go where they wanted to go.
And the niches I'm on tourbecause I saw that happening at that
tour company that people callto see who was going. And I tell
people, I'm like, when you gowith me, I own the company. I don't
have to call the office of the hotel.
I am the office.
Correct. And if the hall. I'llnever forget Natchez, Mississippi,
at the OLA years ago, hecalled the office, and I answered

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the phone. I was standing inthe lobby. It was the office. So
anyway, yeah, it was. It's.That's what we do. And then in 2008,
I had a momentary lapse ofreason and bought a receptive tour
company. So I have tourguides. I'm looking for tour guides.
If you're a retired teacher oryou love history or you're working
one of the museums. I needlocal tour guides for Discover St.
Louis. So it's the oldestcontinually operated tour company

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in St. Louis. It started in75. I'm the third woman owner, which
I'm very proud of. BerniceBarnaby. Kelly Mazzavallo. And the
Kelly called me and said, Ithink you need to buy this. And when
I met her for the first timeat Cafe Manhattan, Declan, my husband
flown in. And I said, look,I'm just gonna go meet Kelly. I'm
not gonna buy this business.And I walked in, and she goes, you're
from Vandelli, Missouri.
Whoa.
I'm like, yeah. She goes, I'mfrom Winfield.

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Okay.
You recognize my Vandalia accent.
You did your research. Soanyway, after two and a half hours,
she sold it to me on ahandshake and financed it for me.
So. So we did the tours forlike, when American Cruise Lines
comes in and they have. Theywant to do Tours of the city and
go to the museum and all that.We do things like that. We do family
reunions, we do corporate. AndI do a lot of private tours. Like

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I take you in my car because alot of people have experienced that
in Europe finally. And theylook for it like we're under get
your guide. But you can justcall our office. But if you have
family come in and you need toget rid of them for a little bit,
if all the in laws are there,I'll take them out for three hours
and she'll.
Take them to the Antarctica,which is your next tour.
Antarctica is in December.Yeah. My husband and I are getting

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our seventh continent. We'revery excited. So we're gonna do it
on the Scenic Eclipse, whichis Australian owned cruise company.
We use them for all our rivercruises. They're the newest ships
on the river and they owntheir own ships. But they have a
Polar 6 rated hull, which Iwill only go to Antarctica. I will
not go on a Caribbean ship. SoHurtigruten out of Norway was the
only other passenger cruisecompany that has a Polar 6 hull.

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Because of course, theNorwegians have been sailing for
years. And so when Scenic cameout with this, because Hurtigruten,
in my opinion, camping on aHurdigrude ship. But Scenic Eclipse
has got seven luxuryrestaurants. It has all this because
you're gonna be on the boatonce you leave Ushuaia at the tip
of South America, you're onthe ship except for when you get
off on the zodiac sign to gosee the penguins and they provide
your boots and they provideyour parkas so you don't have to

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pack that. So I'm lookingforward to it. So even if no one
else signs up, we are going.
Wow.
Okay. But if you'd like to go,I'd love to put you on the tour.
Oh, yeah, Those river cruisesare interesting. I just started looking
into those a.
Little bit and they're not allcreated the same. So call me.
Is that right?
Yes. They're not all. But youdon't know. You don't know what you
don't know.
They can be pricey becausethere's only.
150 people on the ship. You goon a big ocean ship, you're with

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a town the size of Herman or Vandalia.
That's a good point.
Plus the crew and.
That's a good point.
On a cruise ship, it costslike a dollar a day to feed people.
Yeah.
Because of the economies of scale.
And they compare these cruiseships now to the Titanic The Titanic
was like a speedboat.
Yeah.
And I think it's cool if youwant to do that. But we focus on
the river because it's a greatway. Like Portugal and Spain. We're

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doing that again in 26. But wedo Portugal and it's. And we use
scenic and emerald becausethey hire Portuguese crew. And we
get to dock on the side thatis the old historic side. Like for
instance. Instance, when we'rein Porto, we get to dock in Porto.
Everybody else is over on theGaia side, which is kind of like
going to Bagnol Dam. It's gotall the trams over and all this.
A tour operator and a travel agent.

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I would have never known. Iwould have never thought of that.
That's a great. That's a great.
Ask questions. Yeah.
She knows that about Portugaland Spain. Just think of what she
knows about Herman.
Oh, man, I can't imagine.
It's just the backyard.
I know. Are you. Yeah.
So you're going to be at theVersed House in Herman on July 27th
from 11:00 to 2:00pm yes. Andthat's the book kickoff. Right?

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That's my Herman book launch.I had my St. Louis book launch at
Oliva the night it stormed. Ihad Nancy LaRusso made it, God bless
her and the staff from ReadyPress. So we ate wine and cheese,
and Mark and Carlene are like,you can do another one later. Yeah,
but this is the Herman book launch.
Could you do this? Could youput this. The official book launch.
Just put it in like a bigrubber band and just shoot it out
into the street.

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I don't know how the COVIDwould. Wouldn't like that. I think
of books as people sometimes.
Now, if you can't make that.Folks, August 14th at 7:30pm the
Washington Public Library inWashington, Missouri. Or if you're
from South City, it's theWashington Public Library. Sorry,
folks. I actually was born inSouth City, so don't worry about

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it. September 1st at theDeerberg's Heritage Farm in Herbin.
That's Labor Day. Labor Day.Or Labor Day weekend.
Well, they're having afestival. The Heritage Festival is
that whole weekend.
Okay.
So they're having me onMonday. But check, check. Because
things are still fluid withthe schedule.
So where can people get theschedule? Dia.
On my Facebook page, if youlook for Dia Hoover, I put it there

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publicly. You can also find iton Reedy Press's website. Or just
call my office, 314-884-reach.And they'll. Maggie will know.
Okay.
And that's DIA D E A D.
E A right like idea withoutthe I. There you go.
And hoover. H O O. H O O V.
E R. That's how I say it. Hdouble O V. Do you say?
Oh, you showed there.

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My mom always did that.
That's where it came from. Iknow. My parents did the same thing.
Double O.
So if you do facebook.com STLtour girl it'll pop up too.
We'll post that on there onemore time.
What was that?
STL Tour Girl. So gofacebook.com STLTourGirl STLTravel
we'll post.
That on the podcast.
I'm gonna have to become thetour lady though during this so long.

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Tour girl's fine. It's nottour babe.
It is not. No, it is not. Iwould have been in so much trouble
with my mom if I did that. Ohmy God. Doesn't matter how old you
are.
Okay, tour senior, my lastquestion for you.
There's more? You have more?
My last question.
Thank goodness. Wait, hold on.

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Let's hear it. And hopefullyit wasn't. We didn't talk about it
already.
I'm just kidding.
This guy ever showed up. Whatwas the biggest surprise in the book?
Oh, good question. That isArnold is. He's.
Because you're soknowledgeable about all these things.
Tough host, didn't he?
Why? What? Just. I didn't know that.

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Is there anything you can't.
It can't be the 12 cast.
There is a lot. I don't know.Like tons. Like the more you know,
the less you know.
That's true.
I. Let me think about that amoment. Arnold. I was not prepared
for that. What was the thing Ireally did? I'll say the 12 apostles.
That was an. I spent probablya day researching that because it
was so fascinating to me thatthey were missing. Because I watch
shows like the Blacklist andhow they have these secret options.

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You gotta have a pass. Andthey're selling all this stuff. That's
all I can imagine. It's got tobe there. And the herm. The German
heritage and why everybodywants to go to Germany. It's the
fatherland. But the cuckooclocks and the carvings and the history
and that. It's so beautiful.Right. Because they could just made
a plain old wine cask topractical. But they carved on it.

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There was a lot of pride backthen. You had a lot of time and they
were artisans and they stillare. Yeah. So if we're going to do
it, we're going to do it this way.
Yeah. When we went to Germany.I said I'd never have a cuckoo clock.
Guess what? We have one.Because we met the guy who made them
and he told us the whole story.
And they're very unique.
They are. They are unique.Yeah, it's. Everyone is different.
So it's. Yeah, it's adifferent thing. Yeah. The cast would

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be the thing that wassomething I totally did not know
about. And then to find out itwas on YouTube and people been interviewed
about it. As a tour guide, youfeel like you should know it all
and you just don't. You justdon't. When I don't, I say I don't
know, but I go research it. Sothat was exciting and I think it
really speaks to the German culture.
I appreciate what you justsaid because you don't make it up.

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You don't make some story upto make it like you do know it all.
You don't know. You say, Idon't know, let's find out.
Yeah.
And that's the way you shoulddo that. Because some people will
just, oh, yeah, it's a blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah.
I'm just going off the top ofmy shoe right now and if I'm.
Wrong, I want you to tell meso I'm not wrong the next time. Or
I just. But sometimes you saythings. I'll never forget one of
my most awful moments as atour guide. I have the CEO of the

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River Barge with me on thebus. I'm giving the tour of the city
of St. Louis. I'm looking atthe Eads Bridge. I'm looking at the
Robert E Lee when it was stilldocked down there.
I miss it.
And I said, and this is theRobert Eads ship. You can go eat
dinner on it. Blah, blah,blah. We get off and Eddie's. So
who's Robert Eads? I'm like,it's James Eads. You just told 50
people that this is the RobertEads ship. I was like, oh, my gosh.

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So anyway, you know, it happened.
It does.
We used to eat on that. I usedto go to the island.
Wasn't it lovely? We used tohave lunch there all the time. Yeah,
I go down and do the tours. Igo get the water meeting.
They moved it to Kimswick, andthat's a Delta Queen. I thought they
moved Robert E Lee there.
Yeah, I think the Robert E Lee.
Maybe they did.
And then it sunk.
And then it sunk.
There you go. There you go.That's it.
And then somebody moved it tosalvage it.

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You know what I yes, correct.And you know what else I miss is
the floating McDonald's. Itwas there for years.
And the minesweepers. When thewater's low, you can see the minesweeper.
Oh, is that right?
Yeah. It got lost. Its dockgot. And swept away and sunk.
He's starting the Arnold tour guide.

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It's on the f. Come. It's notevery day.
Let's talk after the show.
I had no idea.
Mark, I think you shouldconsider it, too.
Okay, great.
You're good on a bike.
I'll drive. I'll drive thetour bus.
No, you don't have to do that.You just give the directions and
the history. Oh, and now withGoogle Maps, that makes that a whole
lot. In the old days, I getout the Oneenbergs and I'd draw my

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route the night before, I'd godrive it, and then I would Write
it in 24 point font so I couldlook down so nobody could see me.
And I would check off as wemade each turn. I gave it to the
driver and the driver. I can'tread it.
We had to do that. It's takethis exit after going so many miles.
You watched your odometer.Okay, Dia, thanks for coming on the
show.
Thanks for having me. I alwayshave a good time.

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You will hang on because youwill fit in very well with what we're
going to do next. You want meto do some mental floss before you
do your days of.
The day, Mark, a little mentalfloss would be great.
I love mental floss.
Mental floss. Morton's toe iswhen your second toe is longer than
your big toe. It's widespreadin art, with the Statue of Liberty

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being one of the most famousexamples. So the question is, do
you have a Morton's toe?
Yes.
I do, too.
Do you? Yes, that's my.
And apparently it's a genetickind of thing. It will tell you what
portion of the world that yourheritage is from.
No.
Yes.
There.
It's because there's a certaingenetic group that. That's part of

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the deal.
That has a bigger toe than.
I don't have one on Mars.We've never been to Mars, although
there's a group of people thatwant to go there. No resource can
be wasted, not even bodilyfluids. Urine will be recycled into
drinking water and feces intofertilizer. And did you know that

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the football on top of theVince Lombardi trophy, which is given
to the winner of the superbowl, is the same size as a regulation
football?
Did not know that.
If you go to Green Bay withme. You know that?
Yes.
We do a tour of the stadium.It's awesome. Yeah. Even if you don't
care about football. It's just that.
And lego. We all know Legosare big. You know, the Lego Movie,
the Lego cartoons.

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Right.
LEGO is actually anabbreviation of the Danish phrase
leg got. Which means.
Sorry.
No, that's fine. Which meansPlay well. The company was originally
called now if. If I the Danishpeople out there, forgive me belong
Massenary. Which doesn't quiteroll off the tongue as easily. Play

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well Legos.
And I have been to Belund. Myhusband is a big LEGO guy and we
did that before we went out onthe hurricane. It's cool. Lego House.
Look up Lego House in Belund.
Never knew.
Close our mental floss withthis. One of our presidents who also
became. After he was out ofoffice, he became a representative
for a state. John Quincy Adamswas an avid skinny dipper. His regular

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exercise regimen included dipsin the Potomac River.
That's chilly. That's like apolar skinny dip. Wow. Okay.
I had no idea. I did never. I.Learning things all the time.
He was also, I think, anattorney for the Amistad case, if
I'm not mistaken.
All right. Okay, okay.

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What days of the day do youhave, Mark?
Not a whole lot, but I havethe. It's celebrate. Celebration
of the Horse Day. Not the MuleDay, but the Horse Day. National.
Be a dork Day.
Some people. That's every day.
I know, right?
Maybe us, I think all three ofus. I hate to tell you.
I know. Let's see. NationalGummy Worm Day. But now you can get

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them as with. Laced withthings. Right?
Oh, I'm sure you.
I did not know about that, Mark.
No, I've hardly heard aboutit. National I Love My Horses Day.
That kind of goes with it.National Pet Safety Day. National
Respect Canada Day. You shouldtalk to the administration about
that one.

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Especially recently.
I know it. Let's see. I don't.We don't have. Let me see if I have
any more here. We're not. Wedon't have as many as we usually
do for some reason.
Well, yesterday was Bastille Day.
Yes. Bastille Day was fun.
It's when I founded my company.
Oh, did you?
Yes, in 2005.
I'll be darn. Oh, is thatright? On National Bastille Day.

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On accident. But it helps meremember it when I'm doing all my
paperwork.
It was National Bastille Day.
Yeah.
Freedom Day. Freedom.
Oh, wow. Whoa. Hold it. Mycomputer's doing Funny things. It's
got a mind of its own. I thinkI might be done.
Okay.
Because it's just. This is. Mycomputer's not cooperating.
Someone said 30 years ago, andmy mind went to the 1970s, but they

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meant 1995, and now I need tolie down.
It's 2025. What happened?
A million seconds ago, thiswas, you know, you got to get the
date right. But the folks I'mreading this from, this was probably
when I downloaded this wasprobably about three weeks ago. And
it's July 15th.

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Okay.
A million seconds ago was May23rd. A billion seconds ago was 1993.
A trillion seconds ago was30,000 BC.
Oh.
The US national debt is nowrising by $1 trillion every 180 days.
That's for National Horse Day. Wow.

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If you've ever seen the visualof what a million dollars looks like
in hundred dollar bills, youcould put it in a paper bag.
What?
Yes. And when you see what abillion dollars looks like on a.
On a pallet, it will surpriseyou. But when you see what a trillion
dollars looks like on palletpallets, it would fill a couple football

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fields.
No.
Yes. So think about thenational debt, folks.
And when you're in Manhattan,they have it clicking up.
Do they?
Yeah. When you walk up.
That's incredible. Staggering,isn't it? It's encouraging.
All right, so here's anotherone. There's more Bush beer. I mentioned
this to you, Mark, was createddespite Major League Baseball. STL.

(48:45):
Cardinals owner August BushJr. Was told by MLB he couldn't name
their ballpark of BudweiserStadium. So he got approval to name
it after his family. And thenhe ordered his brewers to create
a new beer, Bush beer.
Now the teams are taking the field.
And the umpire yells, play ball.
And see, that's a fact youcould use when you're giving a tour.

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That's correct. And here's ourlast lesson for the day, Mark.
Oh.
In school, you're taught alesson and then given a test. In
life, you're given a test thatteaches you a lesson.
Oh.
My used car manager used tosay, experience is what you need
right after you get it.
That's exactly right. Thanksfor coming in, Dia. It's always great

(49:28):
to have you on the show.
Thank you. I had a good time.
Yeah.
I appreciate it.
It's always a good time. Comeback next week.
Okay.
Write it down.
Don't ask. Mark, I'll be back.I got plenty of things to talk to
you about.
I get a call right before theshow. Am I ready to come in?
I know. Bring donuts.
Okay, you just let me in theback door.
Donuts in a couple of calls.And that's all for this hour, folks.
Thanks for listening. Ifyou've enjoyed this episode, you

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