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Mr. Blue Sky a Tribute to theElectric Light Orchestra in concert
Friday, August.
1, 7:00 to 10:00pm at theChesterfield Amphitheater in Chesterfield,
Missouri.
Mr. Blue sky creates themajestic splendor that is the music
of Electric Light Orchestra atthe champ on Friday, August.
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1St, a concert for all theages. Doors open at 6pm and the show.
Starts at 7pm Mr. Blue skyproduces the ultimate ELO experience,
a stellar light.
And multimedia stage show.Complex classical string orchestration,
layered vocal harmonies.
Essential to recreating thedefinitive Elo Sound.
The Chesterfield Amphitheaterpresent Mr. Blue Sky a Tribute to
Electric Light Orchestra withspecial guests rath ocon Friday,
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August 1st.
Doors open at 6pm VisitChesterfield Amphitheater.com for
more information.
Tickets available ateventbrite don't wait. It's Mr. Blue
Sky.
Friday, August 1st guess whois in studio? It is Mr. Blue sky
himself. A tribute to ELO JeffFaulkner. Jeff welcome back to St.
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Louis in Tune.
Hi there. Thanks for having me back.
What is different about thisconcert that has other than the other
concerts that you've done? Areyou adding new material? Are you
taking some material away orwhat are you shifting things around
doing?
So we change up our set listevery show we do. We try to add new
songs every show and this showis no exception. We've got a few
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surprises in the set and wealways like to change up our light
show production, make it alittle bit different each time, add
some new things, take some oldthings out just to keep it current
and just try to improve on itevery time we do it. And this show
will be no exception. We'rebreaking out all the breaking out
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all the stops on theproductions as usual out there.
Do you guys do any otherCovers other than ELO during the
concert.
So we will dabble in materialthat Jeff Lynn either co wrote, mainly
stuff that he co wrote andproduced. We'll do traveling Mulberry
stuff. And there's one of thesurprises that we're doing at Chesterfield.
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Just a spoiler alert issomething that he co wrote and produced
with another artist as well.
Cool.
It's a surprise.
It's a surprise. And the groupthat is coming into front with that
Wrath of Khan, tell, tell meabout them. I listened to one of
their. Their songs. Matter offact, I listened to Snorting Whiskey.
Okay.
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Oh my gosh.
Yeah, yeah. So they're guitar.They're a blues power that has been
around town for a long time.And George Patsos and Obed Khan who
are in the band. I've knownthose guys for a real long time and
just real nice guys. And Obedis also. He also isn't. He builds
and designs guitar amplifiers.He's literally. His amplifier are
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known around the globe. He's.He's sincerely one of the best amplifier
builders designers in theworld and he lives in St. Louis.
But he's also one of the bestguitar players in this city. The
guys that build amps, buildguitars, a lot of times they're not
the greatest guitar players.But Obed is the exception to that
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rule.
Oh, he really is.
He's a great player.
He really is. And this venueout there at the Champ. It's. You've
been out there before, you'veplayed out there before.
This will be our fourth timeout there. Yeah, yeah. And it's.
It's just a great venue. It's.I compare it to a smaller version
of Riverport and I always callit Riverport. It's always going to
be River.
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It's ingrained that way.
But it's a smaller version ofRiverport is what I compare it to.
And it. There's reservedseating up in front and then beyond
that is all lawn type seating.And there really is no bad seat in
the place. It's. There's agreat view of the stage anywhere
you are. It sounds great.Everywhere you are there. Great staff,
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easy parking. Like you're inand out. Real easy. And more importantly,
free parking.
Yes, that's even better.
Some venues in town havechosen to charge. Start charging
people for parking. But. Butit's all free out there and like
I said, very easy to get inand out.
So you guys have gotten a lotmore traction. I think you've played
a lot more concerts in thelast couple years than I'VE seen
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you play previously. Is thatcorrect or am I just missing things?
We try to keep it at aboutthree to four shows in town a year
and then we'll do maybe thesame amount. Three or four shows
out of town a year. Some yearsit's more, some years it's less.
Last year was a little more. Ithink that we ventured out of town.
We were up in Wisconsin andIndiana and eastern part of Illinois
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a little bit. And so yeah,last year we upped our, our out of
town appearances.
Yeah, you've got one coming upat New in New Berlin, Illinois on
the 27th of September. Sofolks, if you miss the August 1st
concert, which you shouldn't,you can go to New Berlin, Illinois.
It's a September 27th concert.Want to give the website, folks.
By the way, Mr. Bluesky, it'sMr. For Mr. Mr. Blueskymusic.com
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MrBlueSkyMusic.com bandmembers still the same Jeff Band
members are the same.
I think we have brought on thenewest person that we've brought
on is Susie Bacino, but Ithink I mentioned her last time I
was on the show. She's been inthe band for a little over a year
now, but she joined up, Iguess about a year and a half ago.
Our female backgroundvocalist, she also plays guitar and
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she's great. She's also in theFleetwood Mac tribute in town called
Big Love and she has her ownband called Whiskey Morning. That's
like a country band and. Butshe's been a great fit. Yeah.
All the band members from themetropolitan St. Louis area or they
reside here now.
Most everybody is from andlives in the St. Louis area. We got
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a couple people that live overin Illinois and so they're, it's,
they're still in the metroarea, but for some reason St. Louis.
It's weird how St. Louis andIllinois and you know, people who
live in Belleville,Collinsville, they think that it's
so far away and it's not apart of the metro area. It's only
like a half hour away fromhere. But. But we got a couple people
that live over in Bellevilleand Maryville.
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That's not bad at all.
Yeah.
Because if you consider goingwest a half hour, you're St. Charles
out O' Fallon. Ish.
Yeah.
And O Falon's actually alittle farther than that. But so
what's the difference?
Exactly. For some reason,because I do a lot of shows with
other bands in the Illinoisarea and it's like pulling teeth
to get people to come over there.
Really?
And you're not driving anyfurther than you would drive to go
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to a venue here.
Really?
Yeah, it's something. It's aweird thing. People think Illinois
is so far away.
And it's not now your solocareer. Are you are playing at other
venues on your own and are youdoing any composing?
So I just. So I did alloriginal music for about 13, 14 years
before I started doing covermusic and had a two or three different.
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All original bands. Andthat's. I swore up and down when
I was doing all original musicfor all that time, I would never
play someone else's music.That was taboo. But that obviously
has changed. Just recently, Iwas commissioned to write a song
for Clementine's Ice cream fortheir 10th anniversary. They were
asking. They asked, I guess,nine or 10 different singer songwriters
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around town to. To writeoriginal songs and make it about
ice cream. And it could beabout their ice cream, like their
flavor of theirs, or justabout ice cream in general. I agreed
to do that and I did it and itcame out great. They were really
happy with it.
So is that something we'regoing to hear on the air or sometime
more on. Like on a commercialor. You have to go to their Clementines
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to hear it or.
So it's actually on Spotifyand Apple Music. Okay. If you look
up Jeff Faulkner and the nameof the song is Honey Lavender Sundae
and it's on those. On thestreaming platforms.
Okay, cool.
But it was just a fun thing todo. I hadn't done any songwriting
in a while, so it was. It was.It was just a nice change of pace.
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And to get those creativejuices flowing.
Again, I was gonna ask, is itlike cobwebs in the closet or something?
It really is. Because thosecreative gears, they stay idle for
so long, it takes a little bitto get them going. But then once
you start to write again, andthis happened with me just writing
that one song, I ended up withideas like five other songs, which
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I'll probably work and turninto full.
Songs while they're still fresh.
Yeah, absolutely. And I wassmart and recorded all the ideas,
so I've got them.
So did that start with lyricsfirst or did that start with some
chord progressions or did itlike a melodic line or. What is your
creative composition?
It's different all the timewhen you're writing a song, but for
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me, I tend to get the musicportion of it down for. Get a. Get
a rough split of thearrangement chord progression, then
throw a vocal melody, try tofind the Best. Or find the best vocal
melody to throw over it. Andthen last. I. I pretty much do. I
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do lyrics last. So that's kindof my. My weak point is lyrics. You
know, I've always had. Back.Even when I was doing all the original
music primarily, I. I wasworking with someone else who always
did lyrics. I was the musicguy. When I'm doing it myself, I
prefer to add the lyrics inthere last. But for this Clementine's
thing, it was a little biteasier because then I knew what I
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wanted to write about. But ifyou listen to the song, you can't.
If you didn't know beforelistening to it that it was about
ice cream, you would neverknow it was about ice cream.
Well, there you are.
It's just more. It has more ofa vibe of just waking up and having
a positive outlook on the day.You know, that's about the gist of
it.
And the name of the song again.
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Is Honey Lavender Sundae,which. Honey lavender is one of their
flavors. So I just took that,put through that in there and added
Sunday to it.
And it's S, U, N D A, E or A Y.
A Y.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay. Little play on words there.
Yeah.
Okay. And we can listen tothat on Spotify. And it's on.
It's on Spotify. Apple Music,I think it's on. It's out on YouTube.
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Okay.
And. Yeah, just about everystreaming platform that's out there.
And you brought the guitartoday and you were gonna maybe play
a Mr. Blue sky song or I'lljust let you do what you want to
do on that.
Yeah, I do a yellow song.
Okay.
Yeah.
Let's.
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Midnight on the Water. I sawthe ocean's daughter Walking on the
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wave she came staring as shecalled my name And I can get it out
of my head no, I can get itout of my head now my own world is
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gone for dead? Cause I can'tget it out of my head, oh, no. Break
down on the shoreline can moveit's an empty morning Won't get here
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tonight. Searching for asilver light And I can't get it out
of my head No, I can't get itout of my head now my whole world
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is gone More than. Cause Ican't get out of my head. Oh, no.
Oh, no. Thank John. In thecity they don't pity me? Sit until
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the sun goes down.
And.
Dream world keeps going round,round. And I can't get it out of
my head No, I can't get it outof my head now My whole world is
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gone for dead Cause I can'tget out of my head. Oh no. Oh no.
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Hand claps. I like it.
There you go. There is thePistachio Gallery here, listening
to the show this morning. Good job.
Thank you very much.
It's a little tough singing at9:30 in the morning when we're recording
this.
Very tough. Yeah. I apologizefor the.
Oh, no.
Subpar vocals this morning.
No, no word. I. I know it'stough doing that. The more you talk
during the day and younormally perform at night, so you've
got all day talking, you gottime to warm up, etc, etc.
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Yeah, yeah, it's. For me,it's. I play pretty much five days
a week.
So how do you keep the vocalcords from moduling up and losing
your voice?
Yeah, it's basically, it'sjust using every shortcut that you
know of to save your voice,using your falsetto when you have
the opportunity. For me, it'sgetting the. Getting the proper rest,
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like just getting enoughsleep. Getting enough sleep is big
for me. If I don't get enoughsleep, it tends to affect my voice
like badly. And drinking tonsof. Making sure you're drinking tons
of. There's like so manylittle tips. But when I have those
busy weeks like that, I useevery little shortcut that I know
of.
Speaking about that, what isyour routine before a concert? What
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do you do? You leave yourhouse and how early do you get there?
A lot of people have thesereal set patterns of things they
do. Sometimes they'll weartheir favorite sock or whatever and
you know, they'll tune thingsup. And some people are really, what
I would say, loosey gooseyabout it. And some people like anal
retentive about it.
Yeah, I'm a little analretentive when it comes to stuff
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like that. I don't have a setroutine every time I do it, but I've
been doing this for so longthat I think it's just like muscle
memory now. The way I go aboutmy. My routine of having a show.
Everybody. A lot of peoplejust think you just show up to the
show you play and it's allfun, fun. And most of the time it
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is fun. But there's probablyan hour and a half of setup time,
breakdown time before you playand after you play.
You mean you don't haveroadies, right?
Yeah, go figure. I should havegotten them a long time ago. But
yeah, when you're doing it onthe level that we do it, then more
times than not, you don't haveroadies. I've had roadies at gigs
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and it's nice.
But you have your own sound,right? And your own light people.
Yeah. For Mr. Blue sky,absolutely. And for my other full
band projects, we have adesignated sound guy as well.
And that's important becauseconsistency of sound between performances
in different venues. Are youtaking your equipment, you using
their equipment, or kind of acombo of both?
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Most of the time with thesetribute bands, you're using the in
house pas. So that makes itmore important that you have your
own designated sound guy. ForMr. Blue Sky. There's no way we could
do it without a designatedsound guy. Our guy we have is a guy
named Randy Martin who's beenwith us pretty much from the very
beginning. He's here with usevery. For every show we've ever
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done. Except for the firstshow, basically.
Wow.
First couple shows and then hejoined us after, I think, on the
third show we ever did. Butthe sound guy for this thing is basically
the 11th member of the band.Because there's so many different
elements that need to be mixedand blending in the string section
with the otherinstrumentation, vocals, and the
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little effects and soundeffects stuff that's going on and
all this and all the ELOstuff, it's a big job for the sound
guy.
What's the weirdest thingthat's ever happened during a concert
of the band?
So for Mr. Blue sky, theweirdest thing that ever. We've been
pretty fortunate not to haveany really strange things.
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Nobody broke a string.
We don't really have too many.We haven't really had too many technical
problems. Thank God. As muchas. As many band members as there
are, and all the instrumentsand all the different cables going
each in every different way,we've been pretty fortunate not to
have too many technicalproblems. I remember one gig we did,
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we. And this was my fault. We.We didn't have a set list at the
length that it needed to bebecause we had agreed to do this
gig and it was supposed to bea certain amount of time. The set
list I made up didn't meetthat amount of time.
Okay.
So we had to throw in. We hadto basically extend a bunch of three
or four songs and add likethese long solo sections.
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Turn around. Yeah, we're gonnado this.
I think we did. We did. One ofthe songs was Rollover Beethoven
and that song we do like.There's like three or four of us
that do solos in that song,but the solos are maybe 30 seconds
long. But at that show weturned it into everybody that did
a solo for five minutes orsomething and that. The crowd loved
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it. They were just completelyenthralled with it.
That's great.
And the song went on forever.And we did three or four other songs
just like that. Just to beable to, like, meet the time required
an idiot. But it's one ofthose things that you live and learn.
And I had to learn my lessonon that gig to pay attention to the
details. I usually do. I'musually really good about that. But
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for whatever reason, that gig,it was.
Didn't happen.
I messed up. Yeah.
So how far in advance do bandmembers get the. The playlist that
you're going to be doing?
So I usually send out our setlist for any show we're doing a couple
weeks before.
Okay. And you guys gettogether and do a rehearsal before
or. No.
Yeah, we usually do two orthree rehearsals at this point. We've
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been doing it for six yearsnow. But we definitely, definitely
got to do two or threerehearsals for every show we do now.
See, folks, that is why theysound like they sound. You can go
hear a lot of groups play, andit's like if they're on the ultimate
professional level, you kindof get by with that. But when you
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hear a band that sounds reallygood, they got there by hard work
and practice, and it's justnot, oh, let's play this gig, and
we'll get together and we'lldo this. So kudos to you guys for
doing that. That takes a lotof time.
Yeah, we've always. From dayone at least, my goal has been to
get the stuff sounding, thisstuff sounding as close to the record
as what's on the record aspossible. And there's a couple different
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schools of people doingtribute bands out there. Some people
just throw some musicianstogether and everybody learns the
songs and they rehearse onceand they throw it out there. It's
very loose and they're doingtheir own take on it. I wanted it
to sound just like what's onthe album. So, yeah, it's taken a
lot of work, a lot ofrehearsal time. And everybody is
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on this on the same page withme. We all want it sounding. We want
people to close their eyes andfeel like they're listening to the
record.
Yeah.
And we've got it. We've got itpretty close.
Now, circling back to beforethe concert, do all the band members.
You get all the band memberstogether, do you have a little talk?
Do you talk afterwards? ThenI'd go to do you talk in rehearsal
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of how you're gonna do thingsor walk people through behind the
scenes of the band that theydon't see because they just show
up for. They hear the concertand boom, that's it. So give us a
little peek behind the curtain there.
Yeah. When we're. Mainly whenwe're learning, like a new song,
we'll get in, get it intorehearsal, and everybody kind of
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learns their parts on theirown. And we bring it into the rehearsal,
we run through it and then.And we run through it once. And then
I'll stand back. Or we allstand back and be like, okay, this
part isn't sounding right.That part ain't sounding. Let's listen
to the song real quick. Sure.We're doing this section right, and
that's how we'll double checkourselves on that. And it's important
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to communicate with each otherwhen you're working out a new song.
So you just. So. Just so youmake sure everybody's on the same
page, playing the right notes,where they need to be, all that stuff.
Other than that, does anybodyever go, hey, you're singing my part,
or, oh, yeah, you'reduplicating parts?
Or, yeah, I'm working on song.And when we get to the vocal, working
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on vocals and backgroundvocals, it's figuring out who's gonna
do what harmony. And ELO has alot of harmony parts. There's three,
three, four part harmony onevery song. So it's just figuring
out who's gonna do what part.But we've been doing it now for a
long time. I'll use. I'malways doing the lead vocal. Our
guitar player, usually, he'salways a guy doing like the lower
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third harm of the lead vocal.And our background female vocalist,
she's always doing the higherharmony. And then the other person
singing, either a keyboardplayer or a bass player will find
a fourth harmony somewhere inbetween the main vocal and the high
harmony or the main vocal andthe lower harmony.
Yeah.
So we've got it all. We allalready know who's going to be doing
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what, so that makes it easier.
So you get. Again, you getthe. Before the concert and say,
hey, just going over. This iswhat our set is. Looks like a great
crowd out there. Let's have agood time. You do like a coach's
pep talk or something like that.
I. I try to have everythingprepared to the point to. To where.
When we get to the show, Idon't have to say anything like that.
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Okay.
Everybody is already on. Oncourse as to what we're going to
do.
Ready to.
We don't. We. I don't thinkwe've ever done that at a show where.
Okay, we're going to do this tonight.
Yeah.
It's already been planned out.We're just hanging out backstage
and just having fun. Yeah.
I'm going to throw you acurveball here. Other than elo, what
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are a couple favorite groupsthat you really enjoy or have enjoyed
over the years?
Oh, man. I'm a huge Beatlefan. That's probably what got me
into elo, because ELO is veryinfluenced by the beat. And I. All
the. All this, like, 60s 70sclassic rock stuff. I'm big up, Big
Elton John fan, big Zeppelinfan, Pink Floyd, and I'm currently
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working. Working on getting aChicago tribute going.
Wow.
And Chicago is one of my. Oneof my absolute favorites. And we've
just started up rehearsals forthat and it'll probably be up and
running by early next year.But it's. Chicago just is just arguably
one of the greatest Americanbands ever.
Yeah.
The music is very complex. Iput them up there with Steely Dan.
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As far as complexity, as faras the musician, as far as the arrangements
go, as far as the chordvoicings, everything, they. They
were no joke. That's for sure.
That's a thing. I think peopledon't realize the complexity of a
lot of the music and backthen, or the people who were creating
it, that maybe they were justin some garage and they got together
in high school and I'm nottalking Beach Boy kind of deal, but.
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Yeah, a lot of musicians are.I don't want to say this in a bag.
I should qualify this. A lotof those musicians were very intelligent
and they just. That was theirpath that they expressed themselves
through. I would sayintellectually, like you look at
Queen, the crew there. Samekind of deal those guys were. Those
guys were pretty brilliant.
Yeah. Yeah. The thing withSteely Dan and bands like Steely
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Dan in Chicago is they wereable to take jazz and combine it
with rock and make a hit outof it. You'd be hard pressed to find
too many artists or bandsthat. That could take a jazz chord
progression or a bunch of jazzchords, throw them together and make
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a hit out of it. And SteelyDan was like the best at that. But
Chicago were right there, too.They were. It's. There's a lot of
jazz in that.
Stuff and develop their ownstyle and sound out of the whole
thing. So you knew.
But all those guys werehardcore Beetle fans.
Yeah.
And they they took a page outof the Beetle book and how to Write
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a Hit, but they were all thesejazz guys too. So they just took
those elements and combinedthem with the Beatle formula and
voila.
That's crazy. I reallyappreciate every time you come into
the studio and learn somethingnew and it's nice to talk to a musician.
What's making them tick? Whatdo they listen to? Who do they listen
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to? I didn't ask you, likewhat kind of guitar do you play?
Do you play these kinds ofstrings and blah blah. A lot of people
are into the technical kind ofportion of that. I'm more into what's
making you tick, what'sdriving your train down the track
here and what's motivating youwhen you, when you sing and when
you write your music. Sothanks very much for coming in today
again. And folks, don't forgetyou can see Jeff and Mr. Bluesky
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a tribute to Electric LightOrchestra at chesterfield amphitheater
on August 1st. From 7 o' clockto 9 o'. Clock. Doors open at 6 o'.
Clock. Parking is free. Youcan get tickets at Eventbrite and
the Wrath of Khan is also aSt. Louis based band. They will also
be there playing and you canfind them on Facebook. Their band
is described as a, quote, araw, guitar driven classic rock power
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trio. That's about right andit's going to be a great concert.
So August 1st, ChesterfieldAmphitheater 7:00-case-9:00 eventbrite
Jeff, thanks again for comingin St. Louis and tune.
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Lender Mr. Blue Sky a tributeto the Electric Light Orchestra in
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concert Friday.
August 1, 7:00-clock to 10:00'clock p.m. at the Chesterfield Amphitheater
in Chesterfield, Missouri.
Mr. Blue sky creates themajestic splendor that is the Music
of Electric Lie Orchestra atthe Champ on Friday, August 1st.
A concert for all the ages.Doors open at 6pm and the show.
Starts at 7pm Mr. Blue skyproduces the ultimate ELO experience.
A stellar light and multimediastage show. Complex classical string
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orchestration, layered vocal harmonies.
Essential to recreating thedefinitive Elo Sound.
The Chesterfield Amphitheaterpresents Mr. Blue Sky a tribute to
Electric Light Orchestra withSpecial guests Rapt O' Connor Friday,
August.
1 Doors open at 6pm VisitChesterfield Amphitheater.com for
more information.
Tickets available atEventbrite don't wait. It's Mr. Blue
Sky.
Friday, August 1st welcomeback to St. Louis in Tune. This is
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Arnold Strange with MarkLangston. Mark is on assignment.
What a great time with Jefftalking to him about the upcoming
concert Mr. Blue Sky a tributeto ELO that's going to be taking
place at the ChesterfieldAmphitheater and you need to check
that out. Go to Eventbrite fortickets and we will post that on
the podcast page so you cantake a look at that and get those
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tickets. Also, Jeff mentionedWrath of Khan wanted to play a clip
from for you of something. Theguitar on this is just sick. This
is Snorton the whiskey.
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Drinking cocaine whiskeydrinking cocaine have this feeling
wanna drive that girl insane.You're like a bad rubber baby you
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all over all over town like abathroom of baby all over town.
All.
Over town I might be used youknow I sure ain't town I'm a fast
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movable bear I'll show youaround Got so much cocaine ain't
now I'm coming down scaredrinking cocaine got this feeling
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insanity Sam drinking cocaine,drinking cocaine got this feeling
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gonna drop that girl got thespirit insane.
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You can hear Wrath of Khanwith Mr. Blue Sky A Tribute to ELO
August 1st out at theChesterfield Amphitheater and you
need to go to Eventbrite fortickets. Don't forget go to Eventbrite
for tickets. That's all forthis hour and thank you for listening.
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in tune, I'm Arnold Stricker.
Sam.