November 29, 2011 • 31 mins
Paco Sosa held the title of NYC's oldest dog until he died in February of 2010. Paco was so much more than a beloved pet and companion of Bernadine Santistevan when he passed away at the age of 20 1/2 years old.
Kelly talks with Santistevan about the life and death of Paco and how the former venture capitalist turned director made a film about Paco. It's a story with emotional twists and turns. The film, Wolf Dog, is still a project in the making and is in collaboration with Emmy and Oscar-nominated artists. The biggest roadblock, as is often in many indie films, is the financing. Santistevan has until December 6th to raise funds so she can finish the film. You can see a snippet of the film and perhaps make a donation. Once the film is finished, Santistevan plans to use Wolf Dog to increase awareness about the undeniable bond we have with our pets as well as fund animal causes.
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Kelly talks with Santistevan about the life and death of Paco and how the former venture capitalist turned director made a film about Paco. It's a story with emotional twists and turns. The film, Wolf Dog, is still a project in the making and is in collaboration with Emmy and Oscar-nominated artists. The biggest roadblock, as is often in many indie films, is the financing. Santistevan has until December 6th to raise funds so she can finish the film. You can see a snippet of the film and perhaps make a donation. Once the film is finished, Santistevan plans to use Wolf Dog to increase awareness about the undeniable bond we have with our pets as well as fund animal causes.
More details on this episode MP3 Podcast - Wolf Dog: Film About New York City's Oldest Dog on Pet Life Radio
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You were listening to Petlifradio dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello everyone, this is Kelly Jackson, host of SASY Seniors.
How's everyone doing. Did you have a good Thanksgiving? I
had a great one. I went to Chicago visited. My
family was very small, there was only four of us.
We cooked so much food and we had so many leftovers.
I'm sure you did too, so I was able to
(00:40):
take some back home with me when I came back
to Saint Louis and I'm still eating them. But we
had a good time, and I hope that you were
able to spend it with your family and or friends. Well,
you know, the month of November is one of my
favorite moms, not only because the weather hold her outside
(01:01):
in the leaves turn, but it is National Adopt a
Senior Pet Month and we're at the fairy tail end
of it. So this is my opportunity to remind all
of you to give the gift of a forever home
to a senior. You know, I have my website ARF
dot com and in our tagline is that we celebrate
senior pets, which we do each and every day, and
(01:23):
I kind of like to think of our seniors. They're
kind of like a fine wine because dogs age so well.
There are endless benefits to adopting a senior pet. You
can see those on my website, and you know, visit
your local shelter there's always a senior dog or cat
waiting to be adopted. Or you can also contact local
(01:46):
groups in your area to specialize in senior pet adoptions
and who also foster senior dogs. Well, my guest today
knows all too well about seniors because she raised her
dog from puppyhood all the way up until he was
twenty and a half years old. So my guest today
(02:09):
is Bernardine Santi Stevan. Did I say it right?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yes, that's correct. Hello, welcome, thank you, thank you. I'm
so excited about being on your show with you.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, we're happy to have you. And you raised your
beloved pooch, Paco Sosa until he was right twenty and
a half years old.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yes, that's correct, Yes, and he.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Was he was a little celeb in New York.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yes, he was New York's oldest dog at the time
of his passing. And yeah, he was a celebrity.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well, you know, even though he passed away February of
twenty ten. And when you have someone a bean in
your life for all of those years. I can't imagine
he's more than a member of your family.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Oh yes, I mean for me Paco, growing up with him,
and then being adult with him, and in the last
couple of years essentially taking care of him like he
was my grandfather. I learned so much going through the
whole life with him. To me, he was my greatest teacher.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Truly, And for that reason, you have decided to film
a documentary. Not a documentary, I'm sorry, a film actually, right.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, it's a film called wolf Dog that actually was
inspired by something really magical that happened in experience of
Paca and I shared the last few weeks that we
were together that led us back home to New Mexico,
which is where we were both from, to seek out
the teachings of the ancient ones, the elders in the
(03:45):
Native American and Indigenous Spanish community of which I'm a member,
to seek out their teachings about animals. And it was
an amazing experience. And we had originally set off on
his journey because Paco had a major seizure and against
all odds, he survived, and something very unusual happened the
(04:06):
night I brought him home from the hospital, I had
a dream that convinced me that Poco for some reason
wasn't at peace of letting go, and that I had
to take him back home to seek out the ancient
ones to get help for him. And you know, I
woke up. I just couldn't believe this dream, and I
knew it was just the craziest thing in the world
to do this, to follow this dream. But Paco and
(04:28):
I had been together for twenty years, and you know,
as you said, he was more than family. And I
felt like if there was any chance that going back
to New Mexico and taking Paco with me could help
him in some way, then yeah, I was. I was
going to do something crazy. So we set off on
this journey to New Mexico and met up with our
ancient ones, and you know, to make a long story short,
(04:49):
just some incredible things happened along the way, and I
learned that this journey wasn't about me helping Paco. It
was really a pow Go helping me before it's passing
to make sure I would be okay.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Isn't that amazing? Because as we were doing our pre
interview last week and you were saying. It just the
film just kept evolving every day because I went out
to do one thing and then it turns out to
be something else.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, and even actually what happened is when I had
this dream and I decided I was going to take
Poco back home. I didn't even know why. I didn't
even necessarily planner making a film, but I just somehow
knew that I had to document this journey we were taking.
So I convinced the cameraman to follow us around. And yeah,
the whole film was a process of discovery along the way.
(05:44):
And even after Paco's passing, because I've been working on
the film, you know, past that way, past that it's
still been you know, up to even just a couple
of months ago, I was still discovering some of the
elements of the story and it's just been really magicals.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Now your family, which is I think so fascinating too.
You said your family has been in New Mexico over
four hundred years. Is that right?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yes, that's correct. We come from a colony of Spaniards
that left Spain during the Inquisition, and we first settled
in what's now known as Mexico, but then the Mexico
City inquisitioned it, and then we migrated up to what's
now southern Colorado northern New Mexico. At the time, it
was referred to as the end of the Earth because
it was so isolated. So that's where my family's been
(06:31):
for over four hundred years. So we're considered the indigenous
Spaniards of the country really, and we were here even
before the pilgrims came.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Wow, that's just fascinating and so so much of that
obviously was taken into the film. Because you visited people
of New Mexico. I can't even think of what the
wording would be.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, we visited. I called them, refer to them in
the film, and we do back home as the ancient
Ones Los Antianos. And because I come from a long
I have a long history in New Mexico, I have
special access to these people, many of whom would not
really allow themselves to be filmed in general or in
(07:15):
this manner. And so we visited with elders from my
Spanish community as well as from the Navajo and the
Pueblo Indian communities of New Mexico. The Ancient Ones.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It was quite magical.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
And this had been really a learning process for you
because you are a former venture capitalist and you worked
in private equity.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yes, yes, I've worked. Yeah it is and essentially, you know,
I basically left my job to be able to pick
Poco back home. And you know this isn't something that
you know, it makes no logical sense whatsoever, and but
you know it's just sometimes you've got.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
To follow your heart.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's right, That's right, especially when.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
It comes to our animal friends and family.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well let's talk about and we'll get back to the
documentary because you're really need to raise funds because you're
you're finished filming it, but you have a lot left
to do. And as not cheap, I mean, it comes
with the price. And we'll talk about that. We'll talk
about that and what our listeners can do to help.
But let's talk about how you and Paco got together.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I believe Paco when I both come from New Mexico,
as I mentioned, and that was quite some time back.
And you know, I believe our animals choose us. I
don't believe we choose them, even though we think we do.
And you know, so for many years I did believe
that I chose Paco, but I realize now that they
come to us to do things like what Paco did
(08:49):
for me. He once again, he was my he was
my greatest teacher, and he's helped me become who I
am as a person.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And you got him when he was what he rough
he was.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
He was a puppy with four He was actually four
months old when I got him, so he was actually
a little a little older than when people get some
puppies or a lot of puppies. And actually that's one
of the reasons I wanted him, or I thought I
chose him, is because I kind of was a feeling
like other people may not choose him because he was
not as small as the other puppies. And that's why,
(09:24):
you know, I've even advanced much more than that these days.
And that's why I love what you're doing, because you know,
elder pets are so often the pets that people typically
wouldn't choose because they are older, and and it's so
important for us to take care of everyone in our community,
including the older pets and the older people. And I
(09:45):
know that something I'd mentioned to you in our pre
interview is one of the things that Paco showed me,
especially in the last couple of years of his life
where he needed much more attention of my attention and care.
Is that in our society, you know, people start getting
gray or wrinkles, and suddenly so often they become invisible.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And I know this society with pets, yes, we are
so obsessed with youth. It just in America we are,
and you're right, it goes from the humans to the pets.
We love absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And you know, even as I remember you mentioning if
we if we can't even respect our elder people, I
mean imagine with pets, how much farther away we are.
So he truly showed me this aspect of society that
and has opened my eyes to be more sensitive about
(10:42):
this and amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yes, yes, and as we call the wiener dogs here
in the United States, he was a little dos did
you ever imagine that? Well, you know, he truly against
all oz because typically the life fan of our dogs
depending on their breed, you know, whether smaller breeds do
live longer. Did you ever imagine that he would live
(11:07):
to be the ripe age of never never?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You know, you're a kid and you get a dog,
or at least I did, and I never imagine I'd
be spending like most of my life with him with
a dog or you know, yeah, it was never mention.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yes, yes, And like you were saying earlier, and I
know other people who are listening right now, other pet
owners can attest to this. It really is so interesting
when you get a dog. Often people do you know,
they get them when their puppies or you know, maybe
up to a year old, and you see truly before
your eyes that aging process through the years, and it's
(11:48):
really humbling how you see them go from a feisty
little dog to a dog that truly is, you know,
towards the end, the end stages of their life. And
it's really fascinating to me.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, and you know, that reminds me like one of
the things in the last because Paco was pretty feisty
and pretty mobile until he was about eighteen, and then
he slowed down a lot and the last couple of years,
you know, I had to get special equipment for him
to walk, to help him and so forth. And it
was important for him to walk a lot to keep
his joints, you know, in shape. But a walk that
(12:23):
would normally take us about five minutes was taking us
up to thirty at times because we're and we live
in New York City where people move quickly. Yes, so
Paco and I would be moving walking very slowly our walks,
and it taught me a lot about patients as well.
It really taught me a lot about patience. But something
(12:45):
remarkable that started happening at that point is that I
literally no exaggeration. Almost every day at least one person
would come up to us and say bless you Paco
and and or me. And when it first started happening,
I was like a bit taken aback because it was
very unusual, you know, to say the least. But then
(13:10):
it just kept happening over and over and over, and
so finally I just started blessing people back. I didn't
thank you, bless you too, blessed you back, and I
became like very I used to enjoy going out and
getting blessed with PoCA. It was like turned into a
very fun and from an unusual to a fun walk
(13:31):
for us.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Right, Oh, I love that. That's a great story. Well, Bernadine,
We're going to take a quick break everyone, and when
we come back, we're going to talk about whether maybe
Bernadine has the secret to the Fountain of youth when
it comes to our pets. I want to talk more
about her film and also some of the collaborations that
you have, including you two so yes, yes, so, Well,
(13:54):
take a quick break and we'll be right back. We'll
be right back.
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Kelly Jackson, and I am with Bernadine Fani Stevon.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
She is a.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Filmmaker and she has a film that will be coming
out with the help of you, hopefully called Wolfdog, and
it's about her her twenty and a half year old dog,
Paco Sosa, who died last year, but it's also about
so many other things, the circle of life and going
back to her New Mexico roots and to put a
(17:40):
film together. And you said, it's kind of like a
new wave of filmmaking where it's kind of reality meets fiction, right, correct.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yes, So it's not a documentary and it's not totally
just fictionalized. So the twenty days we were actually in
New Mexico filming with the ancient Ones. All everything that
was filmed there. For the most part, it just it happened.
You know, we didn't stage anything. We filmed these encounters
(18:08):
with one camera. You had one take. It happened and
that was it. That's what you had. But then there's
some components that we filmed in New York during fifteen
days where they were sort of setting up the story
that led to New Mexico for the most part, sort
of reenacting some episodes or small components that were fictionalized.
(18:31):
So there was a part that was shot it was
shot in New Mexico documentary style, but then you had
the part in New York that was shot like a
regular film, and then they were combined together, so you
had the new Wave.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, and you even have like some animation within the film.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yes, we have about eight minutes of animation in the
film because what was really fascinating when we got the ancients,
it was all about teachings that we get from animals.
Lot of that involved and every time, within the context
of the film the story, every time Paco and I
meet one of these ancient ones, there's something that they
say that triggers an animation story to come within the
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film about an animation story includes an indigenous story of
what animals have to teach us. So in creating these
animation elements, an amazing Emmy Award winning animator came on board.
He was he was very inspired by Paco's story and
came on board. And what we ended up doing We
spent one year working around of the clock on just
(19:36):
the eight minutes of animation to create animated Navajo sand paintings.
Navajo sand paintings are an ancient religious art form, and
so he developed a new technique that was developed for
this film that's never been done before to animate sand.
Oh wow, which is absolutely stunning work. And it's just
(19:58):
I'm so beautif.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I cannot wait to see this film. Now, here's the deal.
If you go on her website, it's indiegogo dot com
right forward slash wolf Dog.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, basically, we have a campaign to raise some money
on indiegog dot com and if you look up Wolfdog,
you know my project will come up. And we're currently
looking to raise the final funds that we need to
pay for some animation and music costs for the film
that will complete the film essentially. And we only have
(20:31):
a few more days lefts on the campaign, so that
right correct, And you know, you can donate as much
as ten dollars to as much as you want higher
than that, and every dollar helps tremendously, and.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Every dollar goes to this film because you break it
down on the website. You know what every dollar is
needed for, and that's what I like about us. So
people do know what it's going too, Yes, absolutely. And
the other thing I love about this is that you
hope to share this. Obviously, you hope to get a
distribution deal, but you also hope to share this with
(21:11):
shelters across the.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Country too, right, Yeah, My plan is to provide the
film to various animal organizations to use well, not only
to spread the word about honoring animal lives and the
many things that animals have to teach us, but also
you know, so that they can use it as a
fundraiser for their own efforts. So I truly want I
(21:33):
want this film. My hope is that this film will
open eyes around the world to the amazing gifts that
animals bring us, but also that it can help organizations
financially as well further their efforts. So yes, my hope.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Now, how does you two, because you do a lot
of collaborations, how do they come in there?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Well, what's really exciting is, like you know that so
many people out there, amazing people have been inspired by
the film and have contributed. So one of the groups
on the music side that has donated some music to
the film as YouTube, and it took me three months
to get a hold of them, and I kept moving
(22:13):
and going and going, so it's like through a friend
of a friend of a friend of a friend of
a friend sort of thing. But I was finally able
to reach them and they learned of the film and
agreed to contribute a song which is quite amazing. I mean,
it's that is it's the perfect song for the scene,
and everyone who watches the film will know it's sacly
(22:35):
what I mean. It's a song that comes off of
the Joshua Tree, which is one of their earlier works.
And you know, I was told that a song like
that would normally cost around two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars if I were the licensing, which I way don't
have that money. So it was like such an amazing gift.
And we've had other folks like that contribute. We have
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a couple of songs contributed by will Be Lorie Anderson,
who's such an amazing performing artist, is contributing music. And
we even have some music and special performances by an
individual from the Taus Pueblo of New Mexico. He's a
Native American who's won two Grammys for his work, and
(23:18):
he actually flew into New York to record some original
music for us.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Robert Miraball Mirabell, Yes, Robert Mirabelle.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Then you have a music artist animation cell doing the
animation also who credits include Twilight series brother Yeah, being.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
The composer has worked on the Twilight Series, all the
Coen Brothers films. Yeah, and it's just been remarkable.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Well, it is remarkable that people are donating and giving
their time. But you're a little over sixty five hundred,
I believe, right, and you need to raise about twenty thousand.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, so we have a way to go. Oh, we
have ways to go and only a few more days.
And as I said, every dollar accounts, so you know,
and is greatly greatly appreciated and will really go to
helping animals.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And that's deductible too, right.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
We're sponsored by a nonprofit organization, so it's right deductible.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Well, let's talk about I'm wondering do you have the
secret to the thought and of youth when it comes
to pets, Because when it came to Paco Sosa living
to be twenty and a half what did you feed him?
What was any secrets to this?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Well?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Do you know people have been asking me that since
he turned fifteen, right, And actually, yes, he did eat
some really healthy food. I'm a big believer in being
as natural as possible in terms of what we eat,
what we put in our bodies, So organic foods and
you know, try to stay away from medications that are
(24:57):
from pharmacies and use natural means of curing oneself if possible.
And so you know Paco, I also practiced that and
set him very natural foods, and even when he would
get sick, I try to find remedies that are actually
natural remedies as opposed to getting pills from the doctor's,
like for diarrhea. You know, pumpkin, pure pumpkin is really
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good for things like that. So yes, I did feed
him some good food. But first and foremost, I believe
it's love. There's nothing nothing more powerful than love. And
it wasn't just the love that I had for him
that kept him going. It was the love he had
for me. He wanted to be with me and take
care of me as well, So it was really love.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
That's so yeah, I totally agree with that. It's oh
it's so touching. I want to get back to your
film one more time too, because I was asking you
why did you title it wolf Dog? Why? Wolf? The
wolf has a lot to do with your film.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Oh, yes, it does. The dream that I had mentioned
to you that really set all of this In course,
it was actually a dream that I had about a
wild wolf that started this whole thing. And when I
went to New Mexico to speak with the ancient ones,
I hadn't mentioned the dream to anyone, but the wolf
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kept coming up all the time, over and over and over.
And I learned also in speaking in particular with the
people from the Pueblo Pueblo communities Pueblo Native American communities,
that each animal they believe has a certain power, and
the wolf is considered the animal that is the great
teacher among the animals. And before I'd set off to
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New Mexico, I had realized for me that Paco had
been my greatest teacher. So I saw the link there.
I was like, whoa, you know, all these coincidences and
then the wolf being the teacher who I believe Paco
is for me. So at one point we decided to
go film some wild wolves because I felt like, you know,
I think it's important that we filmed the wolves and
(27:02):
maybe get some footage so we can reenact the stream
that I had, which seems to be important. I don't
know why it's important, I just know it is.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
So.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
It so happens that one of the very few wild
wolf sanctuaries that you find in the country happens to
be in New Mexico. So my camera guy and I
drove out there, and I convinced the people there to
let us go on the grounds with some of the
wolves to film them. And I was off standing in
another area far from where my camera guy was filming,
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and he was tracking this one beautiful wolf. All of
a sudden, you know, the wolf. The wolf comes to me,
runs to me, and it was totally unplanned and unexpected,
jumps on me, rolls at my feet for a bit,
licks my face, and then runs off. And the wolf
is taller and bigger than I am.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Girl, you are brave. Well do you know? The thing is?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I couldn't. I will never be able to explain it.
When I saw this wolf coming, I just felt no
fear whatsoever. I just felt like so happy and I
would yeah, no fear whatsoever. And it was just a
remarkable the most remarkable experience of my life. And I
later showed a screen poll of this, which is like
a steel frame from the video that my camera guy captured.
(28:15):
I showed a photo of this to a member of
the Hopee tribe in New Mexico who's part of the
wolf clan, and he told me that when a wild animal,
they believe, when a wild animal licks your face, he's
telling you that his spirit is going to be watching
over you for the rest of your life. And that's
when it really dawned upon me, or at least I believe.
(28:37):
I came to the conclusion that this wolf that had
been coming to me in my dream was Paco in
his next life. And this wolf that came up and
ran to me and licked my face and ran off
was to be Paco in his next life.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
And so Poco Poco, who is a dog. He is
my wolf dog, he's my great teacher, and now he's
running free in the land of the ancient as a wolf.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I love that story. That is just it all comes together,
it all together.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Wow. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing this film. It's
eighty five minutes long. Right, you're estimated it's going to
be eighty five minutes long. The film is called wolf
Dog and it's a film by Bernadine Save And if
you would like to contribute and even just see a
bit of this film, it's on indiegogo dot com and
(29:28):
you can do a search for Wolfdog and Bernadine. I
truly wish you all the luck in this and thank you.
You know, I believe our pets are some of our
greatest teachers, and Paco Sosa continues to teach us all.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yes, yes, he's a wolf dog for all of us.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I know. Well, I want to keep in touch because
I want to see how things go with you and
with the film.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Definitely, and thank you so much. It's a pleasure to
speak with you. And thank you so much for you're
doing for Senior Pets. It's so inspiring.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Well, thank you very much again. Their website is indie
I n d I e go go dot com. And
thank you everyone for joining us. Of course, if you
want to learn everything about Senior Pets, you can always
go to my website RF dot com. That's double AR
double F dot com. You only have how many days
left before December and the end of National Adopted Senior
(30:28):
Pet Day. You have two days left, but every day
is Adopted Senior Pet Day, at least in my book.
So again, support our senior dogs or some of the
last to go in the shelters and make them a
part of your life. Because Miko, my dog, made such
a great impact on me and will always be a
(30:48):
part of my life. Thanks for joining us, and until
next time, see ya. Let's Talk Pets every week on
demand only on Petlife Radio dot com.
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Speaker 2 (31:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello everyone, this is Kelly Jackson, host of SASY Seniors.
How's everyone doing. Did you have a good Thanksgiving? I
had a great one. I went to Chicago visited. My
family was very small, there was only four of us.
We cooked so much food and we had so many leftovers.
I'm sure you did too, so I was able to
(00:40):
take some back home with me when I came back
to Saint Louis and I'm still eating them. But we
had a good time, and I hope that you were
able to spend it with your family and or friends. Well,
you know, the month of November is one of my
favorite moms, not only because the weather hold her outside
(01:01):
in the leaves turn, but it is National Adopt a
Senior Pet Month and we're at the fairy tail end
of it. So this is my opportunity to remind all
of you to give the gift of a forever home
to a senior. You know, I have my website ARF
dot com and in our tagline is that we celebrate
senior pets, which we do each and every day, and
(01:23):
I kind of like to think of our seniors. They're
kind of like a fine wine because dogs age so well.
There are endless benefits to adopting a senior pet. You
can see those on my website, and you know, visit
your local shelter there's always a senior dog or cat
waiting to be adopted. Or you can also contact local
(01:46):
groups in your area to specialize in senior pet adoptions
and who also foster senior dogs. Well, my guest today
knows all too well about seniors because she raised her
dog from puppyhood all the way up until he was
twenty and a half years old. So my guest today
(02:09):
is Bernardine Santi Stevan. Did I say it right?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yes, that's correct. Hello, welcome, thank you, thank you. I'm
so excited about being on your show with you.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, we're happy to have you. And you raised your
beloved pooch, Paco Sosa until he was right twenty and
a half years old.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yes, that's correct, Yes, and he.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Was he was a little celeb in New York.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yes, he was New York's oldest dog at the time
of his passing. And yeah, he was a celebrity.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well, you know, even though he passed away February of
twenty ten. And when you have someone a bean in
your life for all of those years. I can't imagine
he's more than a member of your family.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Oh yes, I mean for me Paco, growing up with him,
and then being adult with him, and in the last
couple of years essentially taking care of him like he
was my grandfather. I learned so much going through the
whole life with him. To me, he was my greatest teacher.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Truly, And for that reason, you have decided to film
a documentary. Not a documentary, I'm sorry, a film actually, right.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, it's a film called wolf Dog that actually was
inspired by something really magical that happened in experience of
Paca and I shared the last few weeks that we
were together that led us back home to New Mexico,
which is where we were both from, to seek out
the teachings of the ancient ones, the elders in the
(03:45):
Native American and Indigenous Spanish community of which I'm a member,
to seek out their teachings about animals. And it was
an amazing experience. And we had originally set off on
his journey because Paco had a major seizure and against
all odds, he survived, and something very unusual happened the
(04:06):
night I brought him home from the hospital, I had
a dream that convinced me that Poco for some reason
wasn't at peace of letting go, and that I had
to take him back home to seek out the ancient
ones to get help for him. And you know, I
woke up. I just couldn't believe this dream, and I
knew it was just the craziest thing in the world
to do this, to follow this dream. But Paco and
(04:28):
I had been together for twenty years, and you know,
as you said, he was more than family. And I
felt like if there was any chance that going back
to New Mexico and taking Paco with me could help
him in some way, then yeah, I was. I was
going to do something crazy. So we set off on
this journey to New Mexico and met up with our
ancient ones, and you know, to make a long story short,
(04:49):
just some incredible things happened along the way, and I
learned that this journey wasn't about me helping Paco. It
was really a pow Go helping me before it's passing
to make sure I would be okay.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Isn't that amazing? Because as we were doing our pre
interview last week and you were saying. It just the
film just kept evolving every day because I went out
to do one thing and then it turns out to
be something else.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, and even actually what happened is when I had
this dream and I decided I was going to take
Poco back home. I didn't even know why. I didn't
even necessarily planner making a film, but I just somehow
knew that I had to document this journey we were taking.
So I convinced the cameraman to follow us around. And yeah,
the whole film was a process of discovery along the way.
(05:44):
And even after Paco's passing, because I've been working on
the film, you know, past that way, past that it's
still been you know, up to even just a couple
of months ago, I was still discovering some of the
elements of the story and it's just been really magicals.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Now your family, which is I think so fascinating too.
You said your family has been in New Mexico over
four hundred years. Is that right?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yes, that's correct. We come from a colony of Spaniards
that left Spain during the Inquisition, and we first settled
in what's now known as Mexico, but then the Mexico
City inquisitioned it, and then we migrated up to what's
now southern Colorado northern New Mexico. At the time, it
was referred to as the end of the Earth because
it was so isolated. So that's where my family's been
(06:31):
for over four hundred years. So we're considered the indigenous
Spaniards of the country really, and we were here even
before the pilgrims came.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Wow, that's just fascinating and so so much of that
obviously was taken into the film. Because you visited people
of New Mexico. I can't even think of what the
wording would be.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, we visited. I called them, refer to them in
the film, and we do back home as the ancient
Ones Los Antianos. And because I come from a long
I have a long history in New Mexico, I have
special access to these people, many of whom would not
really allow themselves to be filmed in general or in
(07:15):
this manner. And so we visited with elders from my
Spanish community as well as from the Navajo and the
Pueblo Indian communities of New Mexico. The Ancient Ones.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It was quite magical.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
And this had been really a learning process for you
because you are a former venture capitalist and you worked
in private equity.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yes, yes, I've worked. Yeah it is and essentially, you know,
I basically left my job to be able to pick
Poco back home. And you know this isn't something that
you know, it makes no logical sense whatsoever, and but
you know it's just sometimes you've got.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
To follow your heart.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's right, That's right, especially when.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
It comes to our animal friends and family.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well let's talk about and we'll get back to the
documentary because you're really need to raise funds because you're
you're finished filming it, but you have a lot left
to do. And as not cheap, I mean, it comes
with the price. And we'll talk about that. We'll talk
about that and what our listeners can do to help.
But let's talk about how you and Paco got together.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I believe Paco when I both come from New Mexico,
as I mentioned, and that was quite some time back.
And you know, I believe our animals choose us. I
don't believe we choose them, even though we think we do.
And you know, so for many years I did believe
that I chose Paco, but I realize now that they
come to us to do things like what Paco did
(08:49):
for me. He once again, he was my he was
my greatest teacher, and he's helped me become who I
am as a person.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And you got him when he was what he rough
he was.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
He was a puppy with four He was actually four
months old when I got him, so he was actually
a little a little older than when people get some
puppies or a lot of puppies. And actually that's one
of the reasons I wanted him, or I thought I
chose him, is because I kind of was a feeling
like other people may not choose him because he was
not as small as the other puppies. And that's why,
(09:24):
you know, I've even advanced much more than that these days.
And that's why I love what you're doing, because you know,
elder pets are so often the pets that people typically
wouldn't choose because they are older, and and it's so
important for us to take care of everyone in our community,
including the older pets and the older people. And I
(09:45):
know that something I'd mentioned to you in our pre
interview is one of the things that Paco showed me,
especially in the last couple of years of his life
where he needed much more attention of my attention and care.
Is that in our society, you know, people start getting
gray or wrinkles, and suddenly so often they become invisible.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And I know this society with pets, yes, we are
so obsessed with youth. It just in America we are,
and you're right, it goes from the humans to the pets.
We love absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And you know, even as I remember you mentioning if
we if we can't even respect our elder people, I
mean imagine with pets, how much farther away we are.
So he truly showed me this aspect of society that
and has opened my eyes to be more sensitive about
(10:42):
this and amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yes, yes, and as we call the wiener dogs here
in the United States, he was a little dos did
you ever imagine that? Well, you know, he truly against
all oz because typically the life fan of our dogs
depending on their breed, you know, whether smaller breeds do
live longer. Did you ever imagine that he would live
(11:07):
to be the ripe age of never never?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You know, you're a kid and you get a dog,
or at least I did, and I never imagine I'd
be spending like most of my life with him with
a dog or you know, yeah, it was never mention.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yes, yes, And like you were saying earlier, and I
know other people who are listening right now, other pet
owners can attest to this. It really is so interesting
when you get a dog. Often people do you know,
they get them when their puppies or you know, maybe
up to a year old, and you see truly before
your eyes that aging process through the years, and it's
(11:48):
really humbling how you see them go from a feisty
little dog to a dog that truly is, you know,
towards the end, the end stages of their life. And
it's really fascinating to me.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, and you know, that reminds me like one of
the things in the last because Paco was pretty feisty
and pretty mobile until he was about eighteen, and then
he slowed down a lot and the last couple of years,
you know, I had to get special equipment for him
to walk, to help him and so forth. And it
was important for him to walk a lot to keep
his joints, you know, in shape. But a walk that
(12:23):
would normally take us about five minutes was taking us
up to thirty at times because we're and we live
in New York City where people move quickly. Yes, so
Paco and I would be moving walking very slowly our walks,
and it taught me a lot about patients as well.
It really taught me a lot about patience. But something
(12:45):
remarkable that started happening at that point is that I
literally no exaggeration. Almost every day at least one person
would come up to us and say bless you Paco
and and or me. And when it first started happening,
I was like a bit taken aback because it was
very unusual, you know, to say the least. But then
(13:10):
it just kept happening over and over and over, and
so finally I just started blessing people back. I didn't
thank you, bless you too, blessed you back, and I
became like very I used to enjoy going out and
getting blessed with PoCA. It was like turned into a
very fun and from an unusual to a fun walk
(13:31):
for us.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Right, Oh, I love that. That's a great story. Well, Bernadine,
We're going to take a quick break everyone, and when
we come back, we're going to talk about whether maybe
Bernadine has the secret to the Fountain of youth when
it comes to our pets. I want to talk more
about her film and also some of the collaborations that
you have, including you two so yes, yes, so, Well,
(13:54):
take a quick break and we'll be right back. We'll
be right back.
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Let's done Pets About Life Radiodline Radio at live radio
dot com. Welcome back everyone to Sassy Seniors. I'm your host,
(17:14):
Kelly Jackson, and I am with Bernadine Fani Stevon.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
She is a.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Filmmaker and she has a film that will be coming
out with the help of you, hopefully called Wolfdog, and
it's about her her twenty and a half year old dog,
Paco Sosa, who died last year, but it's also about
so many other things, the circle of life and going
back to her New Mexico roots and to put a
(17:40):
film together. And you said, it's kind of like a
new wave of filmmaking where it's kind of reality meets fiction, right, correct.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yes, So it's not a documentary and it's not totally
just fictionalized. So the twenty days we were actually in
New Mexico filming with the ancient Ones. All everything that
was filmed there. For the most part, it just it happened.
You know, we didn't stage anything. We filmed these encounters
(18:08):
with one camera. You had one take. It happened and
that was it. That's what you had. But then there's
some components that we filmed in New York during fifteen
days where they were sort of setting up the story
that led to New Mexico for the most part, sort
of reenacting some episodes or small components that were fictionalized.
(18:31):
So there was a part that was shot it was
shot in New Mexico documentary style, but then you had
the part in New York that was shot like a
regular film, and then they were combined together, so you
had the new Wave.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, and you even have like some animation within the film.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yes, we have about eight minutes of animation in the
film because what was really fascinating when we got the ancients,
it was all about teachings that we get from animals.
Lot of that involved and every time, within the context
of the film the story, every time Paco and I
meet one of these ancient ones, there's something that they
say that triggers an animation story to come within the
(19:13):
film about an animation story includes an indigenous story of
what animals have to teach us. So in creating these
animation elements, an amazing Emmy Award winning animator came on board.
He was he was very inspired by Paco's story and
came on board. And what we ended up doing We
spent one year working around of the clock on just
(19:36):
the eight minutes of animation to create animated Navajo sand paintings.
Navajo sand paintings are an ancient religious art form, and
so he developed a new technique that was developed for
this film that's never been done before to animate sand.
Oh wow, which is absolutely stunning work. And it's just
(19:58):
I'm so beautif.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I cannot wait to see this film. Now, here's the deal.
If you go on her website, it's indiegogo dot com
right forward slash wolf Dog.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, basically, we have a campaign to raise some money
on indiegog dot com and if you look up Wolfdog,
you know my project will come up. And we're currently
looking to raise the final funds that we need to
pay for some animation and music costs for the film
that will complete the film essentially. And we only have
(20:31):
a few more days lefts on the campaign, so that
right correct, And you know, you can donate as much
as ten dollars to as much as you want higher
than that, and every dollar helps tremendously, and.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Every dollar goes to this film because you break it
down on the website. You know what every dollar is
needed for, and that's what I like about us. So
people do know what it's going too, Yes, absolutely. And
the other thing I love about this is that you
hope to share this. Obviously, you hope to get a
distribution deal, but you also hope to share this with
(21:11):
shelters across the.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Country too, right, Yeah, My plan is to provide the
film to various animal organizations to use well, not only
to spread the word about honoring animal lives and the
many things that animals have to teach us, but also
you know, so that they can use it as a
fundraiser for their own efforts. So I truly want I
(21:33):
want this film. My hope is that this film will
open eyes around the world to the amazing gifts that
animals bring us, but also that it can help organizations
financially as well further their efforts. So yes, my hope.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Now, how does you two, because you do a lot
of collaborations, how do they come in there?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Well, what's really exciting is, like you know that so
many people out there, amazing people have been inspired by
the film and have contributed. So one of the groups
on the music side that has donated some music to
the film as YouTube, and it took me three months
to get a hold of them, and I kept moving
(22:13):
and going and going, so it's like through a friend
of a friend of a friend of a friend of
a friend sort of thing. But I was finally able
to reach them and they learned of the film and
agreed to contribute a song which is quite amazing. I mean,
it's that is it's the perfect song for the scene,
and everyone who watches the film will know it's sacly
(22:35):
what I mean. It's a song that comes off of
the Joshua Tree, which is one of their earlier works.
And you know, I was told that a song like
that would normally cost around two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars if I were the licensing, which I way don't
have that money. So it was like such an amazing gift.
And we've had other folks like that contribute. We have
(22:58):
a couple of songs contributed by will Be Lorie Anderson,
who's such an amazing performing artist, is contributing music. And
we even have some music and special performances by an
individual from the Taus Pueblo of New Mexico. He's a
Native American who's won two Grammys for his work, and
(23:18):
he actually flew into New York to record some original
music for us.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Robert Miraball Mirabell, Yes, Robert Mirabelle.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Then you have a music artist animation cell doing the
animation also who credits include Twilight series brother Yeah, being.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
The composer has worked on the Twilight Series, all the
Coen Brothers films. Yeah, and it's just been remarkable.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Well, it is remarkable that people are donating and giving
their time. But you're a little over sixty five hundred,
I believe, right, and you need to raise about twenty thousand.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, so we have a way to go. Oh, we
have ways to go and only a few more days.
And as I said, every dollar accounts, so you know,
and is greatly greatly appreciated and will really go to
helping animals.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And that's deductible too, right.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
We're sponsored by a nonprofit organization, so it's right deductible.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Well, let's talk about I'm wondering do you have the
secret to the thought and of youth when it comes
to pets, Because when it came to Paco Sosa living
to be twenty and a half what did you feed him?
What was any secrets to this?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Well?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Do you know people have been asking me that since
he turned fifteen, right, And actually, yes, he did eat
some really healthy food. I'm a big believer in being
as natural as possible in terms of what we eat,
what we put in our bodies, So organic foods and
you know, try to stay away from medications that are
(24:57):
from pharmacies and use natural means of curing oneself if possible.
And so you know Paco, I also practiced that and
set him very natural foods, and even when he would
get sick, I try to find remedies that are actually
natural remedies as opposed to getting pills from the doctor's,
like for diarrhea. You know, pumpkin, pure pumpkin is really
(25:21):
good for things like that. So yes, I did feed
him some good food. But first and foremost, I believe
it's love. There's nothing nothing more powerful than love. And
it wasn't just the love that I had for him
that kept him going. It was the love he had
for me. He wanted to be with me and take
care of me as well, So it was really love.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
That's so yeah, I totally agree with that. It's oh
it's so touching. I want to get back to your
film one more time too, because I was asking you
why did you title it wolf Dog? Why? Wolf? The
wolf has a lot to do with your film.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Oh, yes, it does. The dream that I had mentioned
to you that really set all of this In course,
it was actually a dream that I had about a
wild wolf that started this whole thing. And when I
went to New Mexico to speak with the ancient ones,
I hadn't mentioned the dream to anyone, but the wolf
(26:20):
kept coming up all the time, over and over and over.
And I learned also in speaking in particular with the
people from the Pueblo Pueblo communities Pueblo Native American communities,
that each animal they believe has a certain power, and
the wolf is considered the animal that is the great
teacher among the animals. And before I'd set off to
(26:42):
New Mexico, I had realized for me that Paco had
been my greatest teacher. So I saw the link there.
I was like, whoa, you know, all these coincidences and
then the wolf being the teacher who I believe Paco
is for me. So at one point we decided to
go film some wild wolves because I felt like, you know,
I think it's important that we filmed the wolves and
(27:02):
maybe get some footage so we can reenact the stream
that I had, which seems to be important. I don't
know why it's important, I just know it is.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
So.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
It so happens that one of the very few wild
wolf sanctuaries that you find in the country happens to
be in New Mexico. So my camera guy and I
drove out there, and I convinced the people there to
let us go on the grounds with some of the
wolves to film them. And I was off standing in
another area far from where my camera guy was filming,
(27:31):
and he was tracking this one beautiful wolf. All of
a sudden, you know, the wolf. The wolf comes to me,
runs to me, and it was totally unplanned and unexpected,
jumps on me, rolls at my feet for a bit,
licks my face, and then runs off. And the wolf
is taller and bigger than I am.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Girl, you are brave. Well do you know? The thing is?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I couldn't. I will never be able to explain it.
When I saw this wolf coming, I just felt no
fear whatsoever. I just felt like so happy and I
would yeah, no fear whatsoever. And it was just a
remarkable the most remarkable experience of my life. And I
later showed a screen poll of this, which is like
a steel frame from the video that my camera guy captured.
(28:15):
I showed a photo of this to a member of
the Hopee tribe in New Mexico who's part of the
wolf clan, and he told me that when a wild animal,
they believe, when a wild animal licks your face, he's
telling you that his spirit is going to be watching
over you for the rest of your life. And that's
when it really dawned upon me, or at least I believe.
(28:37):
I came to the conclusion that this wolf that had
been coming to me in my dream was Paco in
his next life. And this wolf that came up and
ran to me and licked my face and ran off
was to be Paco in his next life.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
And so Poco Poco, who is a dog. He is
my wolf dog, he's my great teacher, and now he's
running free in the land of the ancient as a wolf.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I love that story. That is just it all comes together,
it all together.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Wow. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing this film. It's
eighty five minutes long. Right, you're estimated it's going to
be eighty five minutes long. The film is called wolf
Dog and it's a film by Bernadine Save And if
you would like to contribute and even just see a
bit of this film, it's on indiegogo dot com and
(29:28):
you can do a search for Wolfdog and Bernadine. I
truly wish you all the luck in this and thank you.
You know, I believe our pets are some of our
greatest teachers, and Paco Sosa continues to teach us all.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yes, yes, he's a wolf dog for all of us.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I know. Well, I want to keep in touch because
I want to see how things go with you and
with the film.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Definitely, and thank you so much. It's a pleasure to
speak with you. And thank you so much for you're
doing for Senior Pets. It's so inspiring.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Well, thank you very much again. Their website is indie
I n d I e go go dot com. And
thank you everyone for joining us. Of course, if you
want to learn everything about Senior Pets, you can always
go to my website RF dot com. That's double AR
double F dot com. You only have how many days
left before December and the end of National Adopted Senior
(30:28):
Pet Day. You have two days left, but every day
is Adopted Senior Pet Day, at least in my book.
So again, support our senior dogs or some of the
last to go in the shelters and make them a
part of your life. Because Miko, my dog, made such
a great impact on me and will always be a
(30:48):
part of my life. Thanks for joining us, and until
next time, see ya. Let's Talk Pets every week on
demand only on Petlife Radio dot com.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
The unliginate never related in the.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Arch infiding distance
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