September 10, 2025 • 63 mins
Discover the truth about your body fat percentage and why your bathroom scale is lying to you. In episode 813 of the Savage Perspective Podcast, host Robert Sikes sits down with Dexafit's Jerry Bylers to reveal what a DEXA scan truly says about your body composition, visceral fat, and bone density. They analyze Robert's personal results from years of a ketogenic diet, exploring his resting metabolic rate, VO2 max, and how his body has become incredibly efficient at burning fat for fuel, offering a deep dive into understanding the data that drives real progress.Ready to transform your own body composition? Join Robert’s FREE Bodybuilding Masterclass to learn the proven strategies to build muscle and burn fat effectively. Sign up here: https://www.ketobodybuilding.com/registration-2Get Keto Brick: https://www.ketobrick.com/Subscribe to the podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/42cjJssghqD01bdWBxRYEg?si=1XYKmPXmR4eKw2O9gGCEuQChapters:0:00 - What is a DEXA Scan? 0:35 - Navy Vet's New Mission in Arkansas 1:48 - From Navy Retirement to Fitness Expert 2:54 - How a Simple Chat Started a Business 4:15 - No More 3-Hour Drives For This Test 5:24 - Hospital-Grade Tech For Everyday People 8:28 - See Your Body Data on a Big Screen TV 10:53 - Stop Guessing, Start Knowing Your Body 12:15 - My Exact Body Fat Percentage Revealed 14:20 - How Much "Bad" Fat Am I Storing? 15:59 - The Muscle Index That Predicts Longevity 19:45 - Are You "Big Boned?" The Truth 22:47 - Your Skeleton Weighs HOW MUCH?! 24:51 - How Often Should You Get a DEXA Scan? 27:32 - Find Out Your TRUE Calorie Burn (RMR) 31:43 - My Shocking Cardio Fitness Score 34:12 - The Ultimate Fitness Marker Explained (VO2 Max) 39:17 - Sugar-Burner vs. Fat-Burner: What Fuel Do You Use? 43:30 - 10+ Years on a Ketogenic Diet Did THIS to My Metabolism 46:32 - The Keto Advantage: A "Nearly Unlimited" Fuel Source 50:12 - Why All Lifters Need Good Cardio 52:25 - Finding Out My "Biological Age" 55:32 - Special Offer: FREE 3D Body Scan 58:39 - The Winning Combo for Bodybuilders 1:01:40 - Why Every Athlete Needs This Data 1:02:45 - How To Book Your Own DEXA Scan
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A DEXA scanner is essentially a total body low energy X-ray scan
that looks at three different types of tissue, bone, fat and a
category known as other, which we consider that lean mass,
which is your, you know, muscle,water and vital organs.
It gives you a composite score based on the different aspects
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of the analysis that it's looking at.
It's looking at body fat, visceral fat, lean muscle mass,
and it also looks at bone mineral densities.
The good news about visceral fatis it's metabolically active and
you can get rid of visceral fat with the diet exercise.
We're rolling. What's up, Jerry?
How you doing man? Doing great pleasure.
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To have you, man. So you moved in to How long have
you been in Northwest Arkansas? Since 2017, we moved here from
Washington State. Whereabouts in Washington?
Bellevue. Bellevue.
I don't know if I knew that we were in Spokane for a while.
Yeah, that's the other part of the state.
Other part? Yeah, pretty different.
Different natural beauty, totally different states almost.
But you miss Bellevue at all. I miss the beauty, the beauty
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and just the natural wonder of the area.
It's very congested, you know, it's, it's growing just like
other places. But I definitely miss the beauty
of the nature. Nature is just astounding.
What brought you to Arkansas initially?
So my mother moved here in 2005.And so that was our original
connection to Arkansas. And then when I retired from the
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Navy in 2017, we moved here. And this, you know, I'm an only
child. I have the only grandchild.
And so having been in the military for all those years, I
felt it was a it was probably appropriate to be next to my
mother at some point in my adultlife.
So we moved here and that's how we got, that's how we got to
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Arkansas. It's a little different than
Bellevue, but Arkansas has got some natural beauty for sure.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
It's a little more spread out, not as many people, mountains
aren't as tall, but it still hasa lot of natural wonder.
Absolutely. What did you do when you first
got to Arkansas? Because you only recently opened
up the Dexafens. So what are you doing here
initially? So we moved here and I used my
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GI Bill to go back to college and I studied exercise science
at the University of Arkansas. And then I did some graduate
work at Liberty University and exercise.
And during the time I was at Liberty is when COVID hit.
And so I initially was hoping todo something in cardiac rehab as
a, as a physiologist, but I couldn't get an internship
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during that time because everything was shut down.
And so I, I ended up changing some of my graduate work to, to
deal more with athletes, you know, strength and conditioning,
that sort of thing. So I finished all of that and
started working as a personal trainer here in Northwest
Arkansas at various gyms. And it wasn't until about maybe
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about a year ago that I considered doing something like
this. One of my personal training
clients, we struck up a conversation about some
Physiology and, and all things training and I'd mentioned this
to him. And so we, we, we started
talking about it and I started to reconsider, maybe looking
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into some type of exercise testing, that sort of thing and
thought, well, how much does this equipment cost?
Now I've been a few years since I checked on these things.
And first, the first piece of equipment that I considered was
the DEXA scanner, obviously the most expensive piece of
equipment I was considering. And just through a Google
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search, I saw Dexafit and I was thinking, oh, well, I never, I
haven't seen this before. So I looked at it and looked at
some of the services they were offering and foremost, where,
where are these places at 'causethere wasn't anything around
Arkansas. Exactly.
So, you know, some of the closest locations were in Kansas
City and Saint Louis. And so I thought, ah, there
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might be an opportunity here. So I called the company and
asked them if they would consider supporting a site in
Arkansas. Of course they said yes.
And so I put in a business plan and six 7-8 months later, here
we are. And we've been open about 10
weeks and pretty good reception of the people that have come in
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are excited. They, you know, there's never
never been anything like this inthis area.
Certainly. So we're, we're just excited to
be able to bring some of these services to Arkansas proper, you
know, certainly Northwest Arkansas, but Arkansas proper,
you know, you've come in and. Yeah, man, you've been, you've
been a game changer for me because prior to y'all opening,
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there's a a DEXA location at Baptist Hospital in Little Rock,
but they're not Dexafit orientedat all.
It's just a DEXA scan. So I would go there.
I went there throughout my entire prep, but it's like a
three hour drive for me. And then the only other option
that's beyond that was I think in Oklahoma City or Missouri or
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somewhere, somewhere I was going.
I went there once, but that was also like 2 1/2 hour drive.
So I mean, you are 20 minutes down the road from me.
So you've got the Dexafit, you've got the resting metabolic
rate, you got the 3D imaging scan, you've got the VO2 Max.
So you got it all in one spot 20minutes down the road.
So it's been, yeah, we're going to be good friends.
My next Rep for sure. I'll be there frequently.
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You know, Dex has generally beenin, let's say hospital settings,
radiology departments, exercise research centers, that sort of
thing, weight loss centers, so mostly in the traditional
medical confines of the medical buildings or whatnot.
So what makes Dexafit a little bit unique is the accessibility
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to the general public to clinical grade analysis, be it
bone mineral density or body composition and all the analysis
that comes along with that with this particular type of
technology. And so that's where it gets a
little bit exciting, you know, for bodybuilders.
You guys know about DEXA, I mean, because it's the gold
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standard for analysis of body composition and whatnot.
But for the layperson who maybe they've heard about it or they
had, they'd heard about DEXA or they knew someone that knew
about DEXA. And, and so now what we're
seeing are people trying to findout if they can get this service
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around here. You know, they, maybe they
follow someone on YouTube or some influencer or some podcast
that may address DEXA in one form or another and folks are
just going online and finding, oh, Farmington AR isn't that
interesting. There's a DEXA scatter in
Farmington, AR. So, so we're excited about that.
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The lion's share of the folks who are coming in or people who
are just seeking, you know, it has nothing to do with let's say
our social media efforts interestingly, but more so
they're just finding out about the information on their own in
some way and coming in and, and we're excited about that too.
We'll, we'll take them. Yeah.
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I mean, it's, I'm just surprisedthat it hadn't opened up prior
to you. I guess you were the visionary
that saw it. But like there was, I mean,
there's just so much demand, I would think in this part of the
state. They're not to be a location to
do this. I mean, you came at the right
time. I understand there may have been
some inquiries about this type of service from some other folks
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in the area, but it never, it never transpired and for
whatever reason, I don't know but that that was the word that
was given to me when I when I tried.
To is there a DEXA at the university for like studies and
stuff? But that's not for the public at
all, right? I think they do have some type
of of service. I'm not sure exactly what their
access model is, but they do have when I remember seeing it.
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Oh, there's, there's a DEXA scanner, you know, back in, back
in the day. Well, I'm glad you opened up for
sure, man. And for me it's cool because
like when I was going to the Baptist, you know, since they're
not part of the Dexafit umbrella, like nothing's ever
digitized. It's all just a print out and it
doesn't sync with an A or anything.
So like, I've got all these printouts from, you know, years,
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but there's nowhere, it's nowhere digital.
So like now I can have it all inone spot and I can kind of look
from one prep to the next changes in body comp, which is
going to be super insightful forme.
Right. So one of the, one of the things
that we offer is not only do we do the testing, but we do the on
site consultation right on the spot.
So whatever testing you do, we get all that data and I pipe it
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up on a big screen TV and we, welook at the data and I, I
explain what it says kind of what it means for you, maybe
some next steps, things to consider, maybe some
modifications to consider. But what's interesting, like you
were saying about the digitization is if you, for
instance, since you're coming tome for your DEXA scans, I have
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access to every scan and I can, I can see all of your trends in
all of the different aspects of your analysis on the spot.
I mean, I can, we can just go back and forth between the
different types of, you know, whether it's lean muscle mass or
visceral fat or you name it. We can just look instantaneously
in a visual format, which makes it a little more valuable for
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you conceptually, you know, to see some of these things.
And I feel like for the general population, you know, like I'm a
bodybuilder, so I'm like gettinginto the granular details of
everything all the time. But like the general population,
most of them don't even have a bathroom scale.
And if they do, it's like a pretty cheap bioelectrical
impedance scale. It's estimating their upper body
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based off their lower body. So it's not really giving them
accurate feedback more often than not, but like seeing it
visually where you can, you know, partition, what body
region is holding the most fats,what's your lean mass doing over
time, What's your bone density doing over time?
Like I feel like people that aren't even in the bodybuilding
space, but just trying to be healthy and live a vibrant life
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like that makes it tangible for them.
Right. You know, a lot of the the
aspects of the analysis that we offer are aspects that people
have never had access to. You know, it's only through
clinical grade testing can you see some of these types of
attributes about your body. And, and people are excited even
when the numbers don't look good, even when they, you know,
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they see the numbers and they know full well they expected
something like that. But even when they see them,
they get excited mostly because there's clarity, there's,
there's no more guesswork. It allows them to establish a
true foundation simply because the analysis is accurate.
And it's it's looking at aspectsof their Physiology, their
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morphology, if you will, that they've never been able to see
before. Like you said, you know, when's
the last time someone knew what their right left lean muscle
symmetry look like for their arms?
I mean, obviously there are people who definitely want to
know these things, bodybuilders and this, that and the other,
But most people who have never seen these types of numbers or
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analysis, they get excited even when the numbers aren't good.
Yeah, well, I mean, it's it's empowering because it gives them
like if you get a goal as to where you want to get, you have
to really know where you're starting from.
And that's like an old cliche that we all have heard and know
to be true. But it's like people are totally
shooting in the dark because they have no idea what they're
resting metabolic ray. They have no idea how much lean
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tissue they're carrying on the frame.
They have no idea what their maintenance caloric intake is
based off their activity. So they're just totally shooting
in the dark. Whereas this makes it all very
material for them. You've got my DEXA pulled up.
Let's just kind of go through. Can you also pull up like not
right now, but like can you alsohave access to like the 3D
imaging scan and all that on there?
Not on, not on this interface. That's in a different interface,
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different app. Actually, that's on your app.
Yeah. Yeah, I think you have your app.
It's on your app. We can pull that up too, but.
Totally. Look at that.
Let's just dive into the DEXA and for people that are not
familiar with DEXA scans, like just use this as an opportunity
to kind of enlighten them as to what what all this information
provides and kind of what actualfeedback they can take as a
result of having this information.
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Sure. So the a DEXA scanner is
essentially a total body low energy X-ray scan that looks at
three different types of tissue.It looks at bone, fat and a
category known as other, which we consider that lean mass,
which is your lean, your, you know, muscle, water and vital
organs. Hair and everything, pretty
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much. It's not it really.
Doesn't pick up the hair. It doesn't really.
I don't think that it does that.So if I.
Grow my hair. I'm not going to have more
muscle. No, I don't think that's true.
I don't think that's true. I think it's, I don't, I don't
think it does that. But that's what Dex is looking
at. So under the analysis, it gives
you a composite score based on the different aspects of the
analysis that it's looking at. It's looking at body fat,
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visceral fat, lean muscle mass, and it also looks at bone
mineral density. So based on your age and gender
and what these numbers look like, it's essentially grading
you on that as a total compositescore.
So in your case, you did, you did well.
Each time you come in, you've had a or a plus.
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And this one was taken June of this year.
June of this year was when you when you came in.
So I'm in full blown building phase right now, not batting
down for a show or anything. So 14 1/2 body fat in the build
is pretty much where I'm trying to be.
So that's. Right.
So you know your body fat was 14.5%, you had basically 26 lbs
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of body fat total total. So you know that that number
alone, it's actually telling youthe amount, total amount of fat,
not just as a percentage, but asweight, like how many pounds.
So that's a number that can be tracked.
You know, as you know, your fat percentage changes can change a
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lot of different reasons. You know, maybe you have more
muscle mass, that's that sort ofthing.
But you can actually track the fat as well as far as the
numbers. Which is in and of itself key
for people that are just only looking at the total weight on
the scale. It's like what you know, you
need to kind of know what that composition is, not just weight.
That's where that that's where it becomes more valuable for an
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individual. But you know, also, you know, in
your case, you know, we looked at visceral fat, which is the
fat that's inside your body cavity.
You know, it's what's consideredthe bad type of fat.
You know it, it can. Run around the organs.
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's on the other side of your abdominal
wall. It's inside your body cavity.
You know, that type of fat in a lot of ways kind of acts like
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its own organ. It can release hormones.
It can release chemical messengers that cause
inflammation systemically or locally.
You know, it's, it's just not a type of fat that's beneficial to
you over the long haul. The good news about visceral fat
is it's metabolically active andyou can get rid of visceral fat,
you know, with, with the diet and exercise and that sort of
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thing, low stress, low cortisol,that sort of thing.
How how does measuring visceral fat via DEXA compared to via MRI
imaging? I actually don't know.
I'm not familiar with the MRI modality per SE, but I.
Haven't done that test yet but I've got a colleague that does
MRI for visceral fat so I want to kind of do both and see.
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But it's more expensive. Cost prohibitive for sure.
Absolutely. And I, I don't know of any
radiology department that would let someone come in.
I want to see what my visceral fat level is.
Not today we have too many otherhigh, high, you know, high
priority patients ahead of the line.
But but what, what makes the DEXA interesting is it's just
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accessible. It's it's, it's, it's a cheap
test overall compared to something like an MRI, but it
definitely looks at the visceralfat also, which is a something
that separates DEXA from a lot of other analysis.
So I'm in the fair category on the fair.
Fair. I think, you know, if we look
back in time, you've had better,you know, better results kind.
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Of depends on whether or not I'min a prep or not, probably.
Yeah, true, true. But you know, that's certainly
visceral fat is something that you don't want to have a lot of
you. You want that to be very low.
Yeah, makes total sense. And then we also have the lean
mass analysis where we we can see compositionally what percent
of your body is lean mass, but we are, we can also take a look
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at how many pounds of lean mass you have.
So interestingly, you know, barring any surgery where your
vital organs are removed, you know that changes to this number
are essentially muscle and water, you know, so that's a
number you can track over time, you know, so the if you want to
see if you're actually putting on muscle, I can track that.
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For sure, and you do it. You can do it by body part
region too, which is nice. That's right.
You know, we can look at different various regions of the
body, the trunk, the arms, the legs.
Do I have more lean mass in my arms than Greg?
I have to look. I don't know about that.
He's just off a show. I don't know.
We'll see about that. But more importantly, you know,
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with the lean mass analysis, nowwe can consider symmetry, right,
left symmetry, which is important for a lot of reasons.
Obviously there's the aesthetic aspect, but more importantly
just biomechanical movement and injury prevention, things like
that. You want to be symmetrical in
your movements. Certainly.
You know, an interesting thing that DEXA does is it does this
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analysis called the appendicularlean mass index.
And what this is, is essentiallyyour lean mass in your
extremities, your arms and your legs converted to kilograms
divided by your height in meterssquared.
And it essentially gives you a muscular index number.
And what they found is if you'reif you score really high in
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this, you generally have a better lifespan and less chronic
disease burden over your lifespan.
This is kind of like a much better version of ABMI.
Test. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. Because I'm always obese in BMI
calculation. And this is, you know, we're
only dealing with lean tissue. So this would be muscle and
water in the extremities and, and it only makes sense.
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I mean, just just looking at it at the 30,000 foot level, if
someone has a lot of muscle in their legs, they typically have
pretty good mobility or if they have a lot of muscle in their
arm, they can carry things. They generally wouldn't be
limited in their movement patterns unless they had some
sort of pain or something like that.
But it's an excellent analysis to look to see how how much
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muscle you have on your frame for your height.
Well, what we know is we want that number to be high because
as we age, we're going to lose that anyway.
So we want you to be what I wantto call the top of the mountain,
the top of the mountain so that as you age, you age at a from a
high number so that you're much further away from, you know,
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loss of muscle, you know, sarcopenia or any type of
frailty issues later in life, certainly in your senior years.
So if you can keep this number high, that's more indicative of
a a much more vibrant health span.
Absolutely. Yeah, It'd be interesting to get
this data as I get older and older, for sure.
Like, I don't know when I'll retire from competing if I
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retire. But like, like I think of my
grandparents, for instance, who are just not using their muscles
and therefore there's significant atrophy taking
place. And when you start going
downhill, you start going downhill quick.
So to be able to have this to kind of like measure against
year to year as you age would besuper helpful.
You know, DEXA also looks at bone mineral density.
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It's one of the main reasons it was developed.
And we can actually do a comparison to your peer group,
you know, your sex, your age group and how how you shake down
compared to other folks bone mineral density in your class.
So it's and I get. I give this number.
The technical way to look at this is standard deviations
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above the mean For you know if you look at a bell curve, the
top of the bell curve would be 0.
To the right of the bell curve would be a positive number,
which is where you want to be incomparison on this analysis.
And you were .4 standard deviations.
So you were on your way down thebell curve on the on the right
side of the bell curve, which isthe good side.
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You know, if you were negative .4 that's not as good.
That means that your bone mineral density would be much
less than than. The and on the the DEXA like
peer group analysis that's basedoff of everybody that uses DEXA
that's ever. Been on the machine right in the
world, yeah, so. There's probably even a little
bit of a healthy user bias in that, I would think, because
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more often than not people that are using Dexas are like
interested in like probably healthy to some extent or at
least trying to be relative to the general standard American
diet population. Well, the other, the other, the
other flip, flip side of that would be, you know, if someone's
getting DEXA for bone mineral density, maybe it's because
they're at risk or they have symptoms or they're exhibiting
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symptoms of, you know, osteopenia or osteoporosis, some
type of bone pathology. So that might balance out.
I'm not exactly sure sure for sure how that how that pans out,
but what we do know is the the population that you're being
compared against is large enoughto make an assessment for sure
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without a doubt. Very cool, I like any other
worthwhile things touching on asfar as the dex is concerned.
It also tells you how much your bones weigh.
Which is pretty crazy. It's 6.3 lbs.
Yeah. You know, I always ask folks
before the number comes up, hey,how much, how much do you think
your bones weigh? And they always say 30 pounds,
40 lbs. And then when I show them the
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number, they're, you know, it's astounding.
It's astounding. It's amazing what that skeleton
can do. What?
Blows my mind is the people thatare carrying way too much
weight, like they're still carrying all that weight on the
same skeletal frame that a person of healthy weight is
carrying. It's like that's asking so much
more of that skeletal structure than a healthy individual.
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It's like there's no such thing as, oh, they're just big bone.
It's like, no, they're just obese and they're putting all
that taxation on their bones. Certainly on the joints, yeah,
the joints, you know, knees and ankles and hips, certainly for
that. But it is an interesting thing
about DEXA that I mean, nobody knows what their bones weigh.
And so that's just a just a fun way of looking at the analysis.
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What's the highest number you'veseen there for the weight of
bones? Oh, I've, I've had some tall
gentlemen that interestingly hadvery good bone mineral density.
I think it was, I don't know, 8.4.
It's like, still single digits though nothing.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I actually don't know
what the highest is, but that, yeah, 88's a lot.
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Yeah, 8's a lot. You know that's you know, that's
20% more than you. It is crazy because I think
about like the the weights like I'm pulling with a deadlifter, A
squat, like I'm loading my skeletal structure with 400 plus
pounds and the bones that are moving that are structure like
that's less than 10 lbs That's crazy.
Yeah, yeah, You know, the the bones allow a place for muscle
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attachment, you know, and so, you know, the torque that you
put on bones has a lot to do with the health of the bone.
You know, that's why weightlifting is a is really
good for your bones. You know, it gives you that that
essential strain on the bone that is necessary for growth.
But yeah, it's amazing that the skeleton, it's very hollow
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actually, you know, it's in in alot of ways very porous.
Obviously, you know, because we know what a what in your case,
6.3 lbs. We know what a 6 LB dumbbell
weighs. Not much at all.
So imagine you know, you've got your skeleton over one shoulder
and you got your. It's amazing how how wide it
actually is in comparison to itsfunctionality.
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That's wow. Wow, What else we got as far as
Dex? Anything else?
No, I think, I think that's it, you know, it's, it's the main
areas are for body composition. It's super non invasive scan,
you know it. Takes takes anywhere from 4:00
to 7:00 minutes based on how large you are as far as your
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your total mass. You know, the scan goes faster
if you're smaller, but about anywhere from 4:00 to 7:00
minutes, maybe 8 minutes tops. And it's very quick, like laying
down on a tanning bed, except I've got a little cushion there
instead of hard plastic. It's very quick, very quick.
And there's it's very easy, very.
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Easy. Is there like when people are
doing DEXA scans like on a regular basis?
Is there a length of time to optimally try and have a scan
between? Like how much time ideally
between scans to get measurable changes?
Well, depending on what you're trying to look at, are you
looking at body fat? Are you looking at lean mass?
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You know, because. Like when lean, like when I'm in
a prep, if I'm, you know, losingbody fat at a pretty aggressive
rate, like that all shows for sure.
But if I'm in a building phase, naturally it takes so much time
to build muscle. Like if I'm getting a scan every
few months, I could probably would make sense to have a
longer time interval between. Yeah.
You know, depending on how closely you want to try to
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monitor the results and how, howclosely you want to see the
trend lines and to, to, to determine whether or not your
training type, you know, your what type of training you're
doing is giving you the effect. You know that a lot of that has
to do with the periodicity of the exam.
You know, let's say you're doinga six month work up for a show.
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I mean, you know, you do your baseline probably every couple
of months come in and just have a sense of your trend line.
And you know, 'cause you get excited when the, when you see
the trend lines, you get excited.
And so I always recommend that that that's a good reason to, to
be scanned. It's just to see the trend
lines, but I think about every couple of months or so.
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And in in your case, if you weredoing a show prep, that would be
totally fine. You know, for the general, a
person who just comes in becausethey want to know a DEXA and
their numbers look relatively good, I don't know, maybe every
year would be sufficient. You know, if their visceral fats
really high, I'd like to see them come in a little sooner
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than that just to see if what they're doing as their
intervention is working. You know, I don't want them to
wait a year and then and then say, hey, whatever you were
doing that that didn't work. I'd rather not have to wait that
long. I'd rather be able to see some
improvements. It's like if you're manipulating
a lot of things like trying to change your diet, change your
training, like 6 months minimum makes sense.
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And then like for me and a prep,I'd probably do it and I'd
probably do it like every month because.
Well, yeah, I mean, obviously if, if, if you have something
close by and it's accessible andaffordable, you know, more
frequently is is it makes it valuable certainly for trend
line analysis and to really dialthings in to say, hey, you know,
this is exactly where I'm at with everything.
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So that's probably what I'd recommend.
Do you have my RMR or is that ona separate app as well?
I do actually. I do have your RMR.
Because we did that and that that test was interesting
because basically I just sat in the chair for 15 minutes
breathing casually and it was like talk, talk about RMR.
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So what is that calculating? So the resting metabolic rate is
a test. It's a resting test.
Obviously. I've got you in a Chase lounge
chair. I've got you hooked into a gas
analysis machine, the metabolic cart, and I've got you.
Breathing through a tube takes about, like you said, usually
between 15 and 20 minutes. And what it's doing, it's taking
a sampling of your breathing, your gases that you're exhaling,
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you know, carbon dioxide and oxygen, and essentially
extrapolating what your metabolic rate is from that.
The resting metabolic rate is the rate where you're awake,
alert, and not moving. So it'll not the same as basal
metabolic rate. That'd be like if you're in a
coma. Basal would be your sleeping
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basically. Yeah, life sustaining metabolic
activity. And a lot of like a lot of
people. Which is usually less than.
Right. Yeah.
And they make the the negative assumption like they'll get like
a, they'll plug in their height and weight and age into like a
generic macro calculator online.It'll calculate their estimated
BMR and then it'll say 1200 calories or something for
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females as an example. And they'll just assume that's
what they should be consuming ona daily basis if their goal is
to lose weight. But like you said, that's not
accounting for any expenditure throughout the day, which is not
a healthy caloric intake. Right.
So you know, the mathematical calculations, it's a starting
point, certainly, but where, where the test comes into play
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is I'm actually directly measuring metabolic activity
right then, right, as far as what your conditioning level is,
what's your, what's your, your, your level of activity actually
is right now. And so that becomes very
accurate. And so, you know, there's a lot
of reasons to have a resting metabolic rate number.
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Certainly if someone's on a, a weight loss journey and they
want to dial in, you know, they really want to have an, the
essence of what kind of caloric intake is required, that would
be a reason to have it. Or let's say you're an athlete
and you definitely want your metabolic rate high because
that's, that's more indicative of an increase in conditioning,
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right? You want, you want your
metabolic rate to be high because that's, that's your idle
speed. You want your idle speed to be
much higher, you know, So if that's going up, that's maybe a,
a clue that maybe your muscle mass is going up because that's
where most of your calories are being burned is in the muscle or
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you're the, the metabolic machinery inside the muscle.
Let's say it's the same size, but the machinery, the metabolic
machinery inside the muscle is much more robust, much more
active, which we like that. That could be indicative of a
higher resting metabolic rate, but we definitely want the
number to to not be going down. We definitely don't want that
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so. And the higher the the metabolic
rate, the more foods you can consume quote UN quote get away
with so. Absolutely.
So a lot. There's a lot of ways to use a
resting metabolic rate. You know, you can some folks may
eat may use that that resting rate as the calorie intake level
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for the day and then they allow their physical activity to
create a deficit. That's some people do that.
The other thing you can do is you can take your resting rate
and then you can add in any of your physical activity.
You know your sessions, if you have a, a wearable, you know you
can add those caloric contributions to the resting
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rate and that gives you a sense of what your daily requirement
might be. But it it definitely takes a lot
of the guesswork out of the caloric burn that makes up most
of your caloric burn in the day.The more sedentary you are, the
more the resting metabolic rate matches your total, but the more
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active you are certainly your your physical activity that
takes away some of that so. So what?
What were my results here? I've been with some.
We did this test. So this was the 1836 resting
metabolic rates. Pretty much if I'm just chilling
on the computer all day working on emails.
Yeah, yeah, You know, certainly if you know, you're sitting
around working on astrophysics or some high level intellectual
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activity, you know, you do burn a little more sugar in the
brain. But in in the in.
In essence, your test was basically where it predicted
mathematically, also based on equation.
And I expected, you know, you and I are about the same height.
You've got more muscle than I do, so I would expect your
resting metabolic rate to be higher than mine.
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And that's true certainly with the number that we see there,
the 1830, six, 1836 calories perday.
And when I'm doing a calculationonline, it's pretty close to
then. And I know from years of track
and that my true maintenance intake based off of my activity
levels is typically around 3000 calories.
So I'm on average burning an additional 1200 calories just
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from the day-to-day activity to maintain weight if that's my
resting metabolic rate. Yeah.
But as I was saying, you know, it just the resting metabolic
rate allows you to have a littlemore clarity in your idle speed,
if you will. And you know, that's a number
that most people would never normally get that measured
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directly. So that's where we come in as we
we offer that analysis. Totally.
Now for this one we were sittingin a lounge chair taking it
easy, listening to some chill music.
But when I went in the other dayfor a VO2 Max, that was not the
case. I wasn't just taking it easy on
that one. No that you don't have that on
your screen though, right I. Do have, I do have your VO2, but
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I don't have your metabolic profile that we that we talked
about earlier. Yeah, pull up that you get here.
I've got, yeah, we, we had you at 55 milliliters per kilogram
per minute. And for context, I don't do any
cardiovascular training. I mean, I just started kind of
post this test, so I expect thatto be better the next time we
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test. But what is this measuring
exactly? What can we glean from this?
How do people implement it in their training?
Like just give us the rundown onVO2.
So VO2 Max is a maximal cardio respiratory fitness test.
We do it on the treadmill I've got you hooked up to with a mask
on, and we're analyzing your exhalations into this gas
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analyzer. What the VO2 Max test does is it
measures your body's ability to use oxygen to make energy
essentially, right. So for instance, we know how
much oxygen's in the air. We, the machine can figure that
out, but it also analyzes how much oxygen you're breathing
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out, right? Which is much less than what's
in the air, cause your body usedsome of that.
And So what we're measuring is the maximum difference between
what's in the air and what you exhale, right?
And so that's what you've consumed metabolically.
And so we're measuring that in your case, and it's based on
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your weight. And we, we, we kind of make it a
relative number based on your weight and it's milliliters of
oxygen per kilogram of body weight per minute.
So when we do the test, it's actually sampling about every 15
seconds. So you did pretty good.
That's a pretty good number. That's a good number, and it was
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something like I was in the upper 94th percentile of people
in my age group and sex or something like that.
You have your you have your print out that we looked at on
the front page. It actually categorized your
fitness level. What does it say?
Superior. Of course, of course.
No, that's really good. Stick that on the fridge, yeah?
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And again, you know that VO2 number, just like with the
muscle mass number, we want the VO2 number to be high.
Yeah. It's considered a vital sign and
a lot of circles, certainly in cardiology, you know, it's been
talked about as vital signs. We know that if you have a high
VO2, you typically live longer. That's true.
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I mean, I don't think that's in question.
You can actually raise your VO2 through training.
Obviously, you know, different types of training modalities.
You lose VO2 over time as you age, just like we lose
everything else. We lose our eyesight, we lose
our hearing, we lose our muscles, we lose coordination,
we lose cardio respiratory capacity.
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But in the cardio respiratory capacity area, that has a lot to
do with your ability to negotiate the rigors of life,
You know, do physical activities, you know, you know,
work out or go for a walk or you, you name the activity that
requires oxygen, which everything does.
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Those are things that over time become much more limited for
you. And so we want to be able to
maintain as much vitality with our movements and with our
activities. So VO2 is something that we can
measure, I can categorize your fitness level and it's something
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that we can track over time. You know, if you get another
test, you know, let's say you you decide to take up running as
part of your part of your training block, you know, I
expect that to actually be higher.
And the way you conducted the test is that we established A
baseline like jog, then like fast walk, then jog, and then
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once we established our speed, Ithink it was like 6 miles an
hour for me, we just started increasing the grade every
minute, I believe. Right.
So we, we started you out just as a, as a slow walk and over
the course of about 5 or 6 minutes, I slowly got you up to
your testing speed, which would be your testing speed.
And in, in your case it was 6 mph on the treadmill.
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And then after that, every minute I increase the treadmill
grade by 1%. And So what we're doing is we're
increasing the workload gradually and we're, we're
essentially maxing out your, your oxygen, yeah, oxygen use
capacity and, and forcing you totransition between different
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energy systems in the, in the muscle to the point where you're
basically transitioning away from burning fat, which is the
substrate that's typically used at low intensities.
And you start and I artificiallyforce you to transition to using
more carbohydrates later in the in the protocol until the point
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where you tap out. And so for you, I think you we
got you up to what 10% grade? It was pretty, I think we were
like at 12. 12%. Grade yeah, we went up there,
man. OK, I'll have to remember that.
I'll have to go back and look. Well, let's see.
Yeah. So that's probably true.
Because I've got that's. Pretty steep actually. 12% is
quite. Quite A and This is why a lot of
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people train like heart rate style training.
Like they'll try and pick a zoneand stay in that zone depending
on what their goals are. Which is something I've never
done previous. Like I've never I don't do a ton
of cardio but like when I'm in afat loss phase.
Like I I've never paid 2 minds to what my heart rate is or
trained based off the zone heartrate calculation.
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Right. Think of heart rate as an
indicator of workload, you know,so it's directly proportional to
your workload, you know, so the higher your heart rate, the more
work you're doing, the more taxing it is on your body, if
you will. So what was interesting in your
case is because of your ketogenic diet.
I was interested to see to. What?
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Let's pull that. So let me, if you'll like, pull
your screen down. Yeah, let me pull it out.
And then, yeah, there you go. I don't know why mine's not
maximized, though. There we go.
And you can see that on your ownchip.
I can actually. Plug that into the.
Thing OK, so where are you getting the full picture there?
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So before we dive into mine, which is mine right here, let's
look at a typical scan. And you sent me a few.
This is just the first one, but even the other ones you send
this. Is textbook.
This is pretty much. Textbook and this this
individual was looks like 51 years old male, but you sent me
some that were closer in age to me and it's pretty similar
layout exactly. They all, they all kind of look
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the same. Walk us through what we're
seeing here. So what we see here is an
effective fat burn chart where each column is one minute of the
protocol and that black area is the caloric contribution of fat
and the brown or the tan is the caloric contribution of
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carbohydrates or sugar. And So what we see is over the
course of this protocol, as the workload goes up, your fat
burning machinery in the cell, you know, in the mitochondria
is, is being able to keep up with a lot of the workload.
You still have a little bit of sugar burn underneath that which
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is which you see that a lot. But notice as the workload
starts to go up, your body starts to rely less and less on
fat and more and more on carbohydrate.
You know, it does that for a lotof different reasons.
We know that you can get energy from carbohydrate much more
faster and more efficiently overa short period of time than you
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can fat. And so your body generally wants
to transition to that. You know the other thing too to
look at at this is you have increases in adrenaline, right?
And if something gets harder andmore stressful, you get more
adrenaline into the bloodstream.And that actually can cause the
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breakdown of sugar more quickly in the liver.
And so you get a little more sugar out there available to you
and also you have what's known as muscle type transition,
muscle fiber type transition. Type 1 type.
Two, type 1 is type 1 is kind ofyour aerobic fat burning style
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muscle tissue. And then the type 2 is more of
the carbohydrate loving or fast twitch muscle.
And so as the core, as you increase in intensity, you get
that transition away from type 1and more type 2.
So what you see is, is a push towards carbohydrate metabolism.
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And then eventually that just kind of takes over because your
body just says, you know what, Ijust can't do the fat anymore.
We're just going to do carbohydrate because that's how
we're that's that's the road youwant to go down.
We're going to use carbohydratesgoing out.
So everyone. You're at peak past them and
your your liver and your musclesare dumping, all stored in
glycogen and that's just what's getting used.
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Yeah, that's whatever is in the muscle.
You know, you certainly already have stuff in the muscle and
then what's in the bloodstream and then what gets kicked out
through the in the from the liver.
But all roads lead to a very tall brown column.
That's I get everybody there andand it's just interesting to see
that that's where it goes. But in your, in your guys's.
Case Clover to mine. I was.
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It was very fascinating. So this is what being keto for a
decade plus results in. I actually didn't expect it to
look like that. I was fascinated to see that
from your heart rate from 85 beats per minute, to really be
close to 120 beats per minute, you were almost using 0 sugar.
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I was. I couldn't believe that.
And honestly, like it didn't start carbohydrate didn't exceed
fat until I was pretty much likeone 61167 right as a heart rate.
So I which is a high heart rate.That's a high heart.
That's like I had to go on trailruns and that's a pretty good
clip on a trail run. So like it didn't, I mean, when
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I'm typically just trained, let's I'm all out sprinting.
I mean, I'm predominantly fat metabolism which is pretty cool.
Yeah, definitely. That's the case here.
I mean the predominance of fat in this profile is profound.
It's interesting, you know, you're the crossover point for
you is like what you said, the crossover point being the point
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where the caloric contribution of fat and carbohydrates is
about the same. It was in the 16161 is kind of
where the average heart rate wasat that at that point.
But what's interesting about fatmetabolism versus carbohydrate
metabolism, we know that lactatethat comes from carbohydrate
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metabolism, not fat metabolism. So, you know, when you're
burning a lot of sugar, very quickly you can accumulate the
lactate and that's where things start to unravel.
And this is literally why I never get sore.
Like I train every single day. I never get sore especially with
like weight training. I'm I'm typically not going
super high on my heart rate, butI'm never having this lactate
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threshold being met so I don't ever get that lactate burn.
Mm hmm, which is interesting. But it's it, yeah, I was.
It's very fascinating to see thepredominance of of fat
metabolism during the course of this protocol.
I mean, 2, I don't know, 2/3, almost 3/4 of your protocol was
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fat. I'd never seen that.
I would love to have gotten thistest like the first year I
started doing keto and see how it compares to now having done
it for over a decade because I was.
I would assume that the deeper levels of adaptation I'm in that
fat predominant metabolism source of energy is just
elongated. But I'll have to do this again
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to see. But what when I think of this
from an efficacious standpoint for athletes, like if you're, if
you're deeply fat adapted, then you're able to tap into a much
larger fuel reserve because you've got much more stored fat
than you can store in glucose inyour liver and muscles.
So if you're not having to rely on what is stored in glucose for
much longer than your peer groupor competitors, then you've got
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a much longer, larger lasting reserve of fuel.
So like this I think is very efficacious for endurance
athletes as well because most like endurance sports like
unless you're going all out sprinting like you can be like
in my case, I mean, I can be jogging at 150 heart rate for a
long time and that whole time I'm predominantly using fat, you
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know, so. So if you look at the difference
between the energy currency thatone molecule of glucose provide
you versus 1 molecule of let's say palmitic acid fat, you know,
palmitic acid fat can give you 21/2 times as much ATP energy
just in one molecule. So like you said that that
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reserve, there's so much more energy packed into a fat
molecule that you can, that we can grab onto.
If you have the machinery to do it, it's there.
If you have the factories, if you have enough factories online
to get yourself into that fat molecule and and do it
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efficiently, you haven't it's almost unlimited in a lot of
ways if you if you if you have the machinery to do it.
Yeah. So that's kind of what we see
here is I actually you it was a good test.
And that was I was impressed. Even Greg was impressed.
Yeah, it was cool, man. Greg's profile looked very
similar to mine. I mean, we both had that
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elongated fat metabolism. He had a different, I think he
had a different protocol and I can't remember if you guys did
the exact same protocol. I think his was like fast
walking and then a slight jog and mine was a little slow jog
to more of a faster jog or something.
But what was interesting is the the essence of your profile were
very similar. That was, we definitely garnish
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that from the analysis is that your ketogenic diet is, is
producing a, a, a particular type of profile at least between
you 2 guys. You know, if we were to analyze
25 of you, you know, I've had a conga line of VO2 Max test for
ketogenic athletes. I 'cause I don't have a lot of
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you 2 are the only ones I've tested that were ketogenic.
So I don't have a lot of experience with that.
That's why it was fascinating tosee how different the profile
was compared to even runners. Even runners.
Because a runner, I mean, I don't know what this
individual's activity levels arelike, but I mean, this is
textbook you say, right? Like this is pretty much.
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What? Yeah, You, you see the the
rising fat and then it just really tapers off fairly
quickly, usually in, you know, anywhere from a heart rate to
1:45 to 1:50. And a lot of people you know,
based on conditioning level, butmoving forward after that,
there's no fat, almost none. But you guys carried it out much
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further and it was much more robust along the way.
So those columns are much higherin their caloric contribution
across the most of the protocol,which is fascinating.
Yeah, no, it's super interesting, man.
It definitely kind of piqued my interest in just diving deeper
into heart rate training, VO2 Max specifically.
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So I'm I'm much more cognizant of it now.
I'll I'll start implementing it.More, you know, and, and just as
an aside, you know, for bodybuilders who are viewing
and, and watching this, if you're more aerobically fit,
you're more quickly able to recover between sets.
Totally. I don't think anybody would deny
that. And just in general, your
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ability to negotiate hard training sessions, it only helps
if you can, if you have all thisextra energy pumping in there.
So, you know, I certainly recommend that folks don't
overlook the aerobic side of their training.
Yeah, I've never overlooked it, but in like the bodybuilding,
powerlifting space especially, there's like no attention paid
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towards it whatsoever. And you think about it like if
you're trying to maximize hypertrophy and strength for
like squat, for instance. But if you're gassed after a few
reps of squat, then you're leaving muscle building
potential on table because you could potentially do more reps,
train more frequently if you arein better cardiovascular shape.
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So yeah, you can't really take it for granted.
Yeah. I think, you know, certainly
have a little more flexibility with changing, changing your
training volume. You know, you'd be able to
negotiate that, but certainly ina lot of ways, you know, with
the, the power lifters, that's adifferent energy system also.
We haven't talked about that one, but you know, that's a,
that's a different type of training certainly in a
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different type of bioenergetic aspect of weightlifting
certainly. Yeah, I just want to be harder
to kill, man, all over. I want to be just lethal from a
strength standpoint, A cardiovascular conditioning
standpoint, and just healthy. Like, I feel like as human
beings, we should be able to, you know, have some basic
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benchmarks like be able to pull up our own body weight and be
able to just, on a whim, run a mile without fail.
Like just little things like that that we should all be
capable of doing. So the services we provide in
Dexafit, all services, you know,if you combine all the services
that we have, the analysis wantsyou to be good at everything.
Just like you said, it wants youto be a hybrid, it wants you to
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be lean, it wants you to be muscular, it wants you to have
really good bones, no visceral fat.
It wants you to be able to run and it wants you to have a high
metabolic rate. I mean, that's, so the analysis
is, is grading you against what it sees as the perfect hybrid,
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if you will. And so that's what you're up
against when when you do these tests, is it it's, it's grading
you against where you should probably be for your age to
ensure that you have the longevity and the lifespan that
you'd like to have. What there was 1?
I think it may have been on yourapp for my dex is like
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biological age. Is that basically measuring
against peer group at a given age?
Like what? What the?
Consensus is there, so it's taken into account the
questionnaire that you fill out before you come in your pretest
questionnaire. It takes into account, you know,
are you a smoker? Are you this?
Are you that? But then it also more
importantly takes into account any testing that you do.
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You know, it feeds all that information into that
calculation and gives you a biological age, which is
different than your chronological age, which is your
calendar age. Your biological age takes into
consideration what you appear tobe by analysis.
I think it said mine is 22 yearsold or something.
Was that right? I couldn't remember.
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How low it was Prime man let. Me, let me see, Let me see what
it was. I think it was. 2424 Now I will
say that's not the best chronological age, biological
age difference I've seen. I've seen 18 years.
First somebody that was how old?I want to say they were in their
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upper 50s. Wow, that's crazy 50s that's.
Impressive, which is pretty good.
I've had some young early 20 or mid 20 runners and they were 11,
you know? You get a lot of people where
their biological age is much older than their chronic I've
had. I've had a few.
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They were aghast by it. You know, I had an older
gentleman who was 13 years biologically older than his
actual age. So we talked about it and I
explained what was basically creating that that disparity.
But that would be a good motivating factor though for
sure. Well, I, I would hope so.
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I would hope so You it's basically an 8.
It's, it's a clock. Yeah.
It's, it's saying this is kind of where you seem to be based on
analysis. And so physiologically, all the
aspects, all the attributes thatwe look at in a composite way,
you know, how old are you essentially, which is, I think
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that's, I actually like that part of the analysis, my
analysis. Is tangible for people.
I'm a little younger than my age, which I like that too, and
I want to keep once. Once you know that you want to
keep that, it's an interesting thing I when you first get the
app and you download the app andyou pull up your DEXA scan for
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the first time, or your your biological age, the default
number that comes up in the software is 88, but you have to,
you know, it ought to you refresh.
It did you see that? Yeah, I saw that.
I'm like, man, I'm going backwards.
I. Had I had a lady, I had a lady
almost fall out. She and she couldn't believe it,
but I said Oh no, just pull, refresh the app.
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And she was so relieved to know that she was.
Not 88. 25 or whatever. It was.
So that was an interesting and Ialways forget to tell people
that don't look at that 88, it'snot real.
Yeah, you got to refresh him. Well, you're, you're doing us a
solid man. You're not only are you a
platinum sponsor for our competition in September, but
you're hosting a super generous 2 day open house for anybody
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coming in and involved with the show.
What at all like competitors, which is a great time to get a
DEXA scan, but like attendees, registrants, volunteer, anybody
involved, you're hooking them upwith half price on DEXA and a
full free 3D imaging scan, whichis, we didn't even talk about
that, but that's super cool. You stand on a platform and this
camera does a 360 around you andit's all, you know, facial
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recognition. So anytime you test there going
forward, it does like heat mapping to show where you've
gained, where you've lost estimates, visceral fat, body
fat, lean tissue, all that stuff.
And it's pretty. I mean, it looks just like it's
kind of trippy. So my, my goal was to provide a
way for bodybuilders in their peak condition to see most
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accurately where their composition truly is at their
best. I think, I think you guys should
know that, you know, I, I just feel like that's a number you
should know as a competitor. And a lot of the competitors are
kind of delusional. They think they're 6% body fat,
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where is in reality they may actually be like 12% body fat.
You know, I mean getting a DEXA scan when you're that lean is
like the the real telltale sign.Right.
So, so you get the DEXA scan andyou get the body comp analysis.
And then if you marry that up with a 3D scan, now you get the
external photographic side of itthat does an estimation of all
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of your circumferences and your 3 dimensional volume, right?
So it's a 3 dimensional analysis, whereas DEX is A2
dimensional analysis. But you know, putting those two
together, it gives you a wealth of information.
And like you said, if you have changes in your, in your
circumferences over time, you can compare scan to scan.
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And then it generates what's known as a heat map, like you
were saying, where it's color-coded and it tells you
where you've lost and where you've gained all on one image
simultaneously. So it's, it's giving you a, a
snapshot of all the changes thathave happened over the course
of, let's say 30 days or 60 daysor whatever scan periodicity you
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want to look at. And so that gets exciting
because what's more motivating than to know, oh, I lost inches
off my waist. Oh, my shoulders got 3mm larger
or you name it. It's very accurate.
So I I certainly would want themto have that 3D scan just as a a
way of seeing their body in a different way, certainly with
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the, you know, looking at the morphology, but then with the
DEXA looking at the actual makeup.
Yeah, you know, your your compositional makeup.
I think the two of those together, it's that's the
winning combination for bodybuilders certainly.
Yeah, I'm, I'm super excited to have you here close and local,
man. Like truly when I do my next
prep, like I'll be there on a monthly basis documenting
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because I'd document everything anyways.
But be able to have it all digitally with the same
equipment every time where I cancontrol all the environmental
factors and be consistent is going to be game changer.
The the other thing to consider too is because of the accuracy
of the DEXA, if you come in overthe course of even during your
training block or your prep block, whatever, or certainly
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right before your show, you can truly evaluate objectively how
effective your training was. Now, obviously people are
effective at losing body fat and, and doing wonders to their
body over the course of a training block, but to to if you
wanted to evaluate maybe a different modification that
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you've made and how effective was that in a certain amount of
time? You know, did that timeline work
out the way you thought it was going to?
So there's a lot of variables that an individual who does
shows or fitness prep or whatever, they can use that
information in a lot of different ways to objectively
evaluate what they've done and just say, oh, OK, you know, that
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that really worked well for me or wow, I didn't expect that,
that that's great. Or wow, my.
You know, my shoulders or my calves or you name it, You know,
you can look at that stuff objectively, certainly when
you're at your peak condition and to evaluate your training.
And if you marry that up with, you know, taking somewhat
consistent progress photos, you've got that objective date
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as well, which we're pretty goodabout doing here.
And then you're also tracking your intake.
So, you know, OK, what if my, ifI'm looking at my DEXA scan,
that's it and I've lost body fator I've gained body fat totally
independent of total scale weight.
What's the composition changes looking like?
But then you can like look at that, transpose it over.
What's my intake been like? Am I eating too many calories?
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Not enough calories, more protein, less protein, more
carbohydrates. It's like it just takes the
guesswork at things. You can be very objective with
the feedback you're getting and then make an informed decision
going forward. And my hope, my hope is that
competitors will begin to integrate this type of clinical
grade testing, certainly DEXA into their training into their,
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into their thinking as far as knowing their body following
their progress or no progress. You know, you can, you know,
there's a lot of ways to look atit, but my, my hope is that now
that we're available in Arkansas, that, you know,
regional competitors will consider us as a place to give,
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give them a little more clarity,a little more understanding
about the exact nature of their composition.
And certainly if you've never used DEXA as part of your
analysis, I mean, you just got to come in at this point.
You just got it. You got to come in.
I'm hooked, man. No, I've been doing Nexus for
years. But like having it, all of the
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stuff you offer in one spot right in my backyard and like
I'm, I'm super pleased and I'm super grateful for you and glad
that we connect in the 1st place, man.
This has been nothing but positive.
No, I, I, I like all you guys coming in.
You guys are like Guinea pigs. I like seeing all this new
ketogenic stuff. I, I, you know, I'm going to
have to learn a little more about it myself.
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I'm, I'm definitely perplexed bythat.
So. Yeah.
I'm happy to have all you guys come in.
Bodybuilding, runners, cyclist, enthusiast, you name it.
I mean, you guys are all all welcome and we'll talk about it.
I mean part of part of my service is we unpack it all.
Yeah. And we tell you what the numbers
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say and. I need my brother to jump on
he's he's like skinny but not hedoesn't lift, he doesn't eat the
right food. So I want to like get him on
that. I want to get him like full
blown lab panels done too so he can just see the actual numbers
and hopefully make better decisions.
We're available, we're open 100%man.
What's the website? Nwa.dexafit.com. nwa.dexafit.com
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It's all by appointment only. You're the only person there.
When you come in, it's just me and you.
White glove service, man. I mean, it's VIP.
Start to finish. VIP and you're going to have a
booth at the show too, so peoplecan meet you there in person as
well. I'll be there and and combine.
See me, you know, if you haven'talready seen me at the open
house, just come by and chat andwe'll talk all things analysis.
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We'll talk all things. I love it.
I love it. Well, Jerry, truly a pleasure,
ma'am. You're doing a good service for
people here in Northwest Arkansas, but all over.
And if we can get the state, I think Arkansas is like the
second most unhealthy state. I think Mississippi's got to
speed. West Virginia is in there too,
West Virginia. So Arkansas is that's not a good
place to be a good. I'd like for us not to be there.
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Yeah, well, you're fighting the good fight and tipping that turn
the other way for sure. So keep doing it, brother.
Pleasure. Appreciate.
Absolutely. All right.
That's a ramp chip.
A DEXA scanner is essentially a total body low energy X-ray scan
that looks at three different types of tissue, bone, fat and a
category known as other, which we consider that lean mass,
which is your, you know, muscle,water and vital organs.
It gives you a composite score based on the different aspects
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of the analysis that it's looking at.
It's looking at body fat, visceral fat, lean muscle mass,
and it also looks at bone mineral densities.
The good news about visceral fatis it's metabolically active and
you can get rid of visceral fat with the diet exercise.
We're rolling. What's up, Jerry?
How you doing man? Doing great pleasure.
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To have you, man. So you moved in to How long have
you been in Northwest Arkansas? Since 2017, we moved here from
Washington State. Whereabouts in Washington?
Bellevue. Bellevue.
I don't know if I knew that we were in Spokane for a while.
Yeah, that's the other part of the state.
Other part? Yeah, pretty different.
Different natural beauty, totally different states almost.
But you miss Bellevue at all. I miss the beauty, the beauty
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and just the natural wonder of the area.
It's very congested, you know, it's, it's growing just like
other places. But I definitely miss the beauty
of the nature. Nature is just astounding.
What brought you to Arkansas initially?
So my mother moved here in 2005.And so that was our original
connection to Arkansas. And then when I retired from the
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Navy in 2017, we moved here. And this, you know, I'm an only
child. I have the only grandchild.
And so having been in the military for all those years, I
felt it was a it was probably appropriate to be next to my
mother at some point in my adultlife.
So we moved here and that's how we got, that's how we got to
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Arkansas. It's a little different than
Bellevue, but Arkansas has got some natural beauty for sure.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
It's a little more spread out, not as many people, mountains
aren't as tall, but it still hasa lot of natural wonder.
Absolutely. What did you do when you first
got to Arkansas? Because you only recently opened
up the Dexafens. So what are you doing here
initially? So we moved here and I used my
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GI Bill to go back to college and I studied exercise science
at the University of Arkansas. And then I did some graduate
work at Liberty University and exercise.
And during the time I was at Liberty is when COVID hit.
And so I initially was hoping todo something in cardiac rehab as
a, as a physiologist, but I couldn't get an internship
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during that time because everything was shut down.
And so I, I ended up changing some of my graduate work to, to
deal more with athletes, you know, strength and conditioning,
that sort of thing. So I finished all of that and
started working as a personal trainer here in Northwest
Arkansas at various gyms. And it wasn't until about maybe
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about a year ago that I considered doing something like
this. One of my personal training
clients, we struck up a conversation about some
Physiology and, and all things training and I'd mentioned this
to him. And so we, we, we started
talking about it and I started to reconsider, maybe looking
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into some type of exercise testing, that sort of thing and
thought, well, how much does this equipment cost?
Now I've been a few years since I checked on these things.
And first, the first piece of equipment that I considered was
the DEXA scanner, obviously the most expensive piece of
equipment I was considering. And just through a Google
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search, I saw Dexafit and I was thinking, oh, well, I never, I
haven't seen this before. So I looked at it and looked at
some of the services they were offering and foremost, where,
where are these places at 'causethere wasn't anything around
Arkansas. Exactly.
So, you know, some of the closest locations were in Kansas
City and Saint Louis. And so I thought, ah, there
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might be an opportunity here. So I called the company and
asked them if they would consider supporting a site in
Arkansas. Of course they said yes.
And so I put in a business plan and six 7-8 months later, here
we are. And we've been open about 10
weeks and pretty good reception of the people that have come in
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are excited. They, you know, there's never
never been anything like this inthis area.
Certainly. So we're, we're just excited to
be able to bring some of these services to Arkansas proper, you
know, certainly Northwest Arkansas, but Arkansas proper,
you know, you've come in and. Yeah, man, you've been, you've
been a game changer for me because prior to y'all opening,
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there's a a DEXA location at Baptist Hospital in Little Rock,
but they're not Dexafit orientedat all.
It's just a DEXA scan. So I would go there.
I went there throughout my entire prep, but it's like a
three hour drive for me. And then the only other option
that's beyond that was I think in Oklahoma City or Missouri or
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somewhere, somewhere I was going.
I went there once, but that was also like 2 1/2 hour drive.
So I mean, you are 20 minutes down the road from me.
So you've got the Dexafit, you've got the resting metabolic
rate, you got the 3D imaging scan, you've got the VO2 Max.
So you got it all in one spot 20minutes down the road.
So it's been, yeah, we're going to be good friends.
My next Rep for sure. I'll be there frequently.
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You know, Dex has generally beenin, let's say hospital settings,
radiology departments, exercise research centers, that sort of
thing, weight loss centers, so mostly in the traditional
medical confines of the medical buildings or whatnot.
So what makes Dexafit a little bit unique is the accessibility
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to the general public to clinical grade analysis, be it
bone mineral density or body composition and all the analysis
that comes along with that with this particular type of
technology. And so that's where it gets a
little bit exciting, you know, for bodybuilders.
You guys know about DEXA, I mean, because it's the gold
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standard for analysis of body composition and whatnot.
But for the layperson who maybe they've heard about it or they
had, they'd heard about DEXA or they knew someone that knew
about DEXA. And, and so now what we're
seeing are people trying to findout if they can get this service
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around here. You know, they, maybe they
follow someone on YouTube or some influencer or some podcast
that may address DEXA in one form or another and folks are
just going online and finding, oh, Farmington AR isn't that
interesting. There's a DEXA scatter in
Farmington, AR. So, so we're excited about that.
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The lion's share of the folks who are coming in or people who
are just seeking, you know, it has nothing to do with let's say
our social media efforts interestingly, but more so
they're just finding out about the information on their own in
some way and coming in and, and we're excited about that too.
We'll, we'll take them. Yeah.
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I mean, it's, I'm just surprisedthat it hadn't opened up prior
to you. I guess you were the visionary
that saw it. But like there was, I mean,
there's just so much demand, I would think in this part of the
state. They're not to be a location to
do this. I mean, you came at the right
time. I understand there may have been
some inquiries about this type of service from some other folks
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in the area, but it never, it never transpired and for
whatever reason, I don't know but that that was the word that
was given to me when I when I tried.
To is there a DEXA at the university for like studies and
stuff? But that's not for the public at
all, right? I think they do have some type
of of service. I'm not sure exactly what their
access model is, but they do have when I remember seeing it.
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Oh, there's, there's a DEXA scanner, you know, back in, back
in the day. Well, I'm glad you opened up for
sure, man. And for me it's cool because
like when I was going to the Baptist, you know, since they're
not part of the Dexafit umbrella, like nothing's ever
digitized. It's all just a print out and it
doesn't sync with an A or anything.
So like, I've got all these printouts from, you know, years,
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but there's nowhere, it's nowhere digital.
So like now I can have it all inone spot and I can kind of look
from one prep to the next changes in body comp, which is
going to be super insightful forme.
Right. So one of the, one of the things
that we offer is not only do we do the testing, but we do the on
site consultation right on the spot.
So whatever testing you do, we get all that data and I pipe it
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up on a big screen TV and we, welook at the data and I, I
explain what it says kind of what it means for you, maybe
some next steps, things to consider, maybe some
modifications to consider. But what's interesting, like you
were saying about the digitization is if you, for
instance, since you're coming tome for your DEXA scans, I have
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access to every scan and I can, I can see all of your trends in
all of the different aspects of your analysis on the spot.
I mean, I can, we can just go back and forth between the
different types of, you know, whether it's lean muscle mass or
visceral fat or you name it. We can just look instantaneously
in a visual format, which makes it a little more valuable for
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you conceptually, you know, to see some of these things.
And I feel like for the general population, you know, like I'm a
bodybuilder, so I'm like gettinginto the granular details of
everything all the time. But like the general population,
most of them don't even have a bathroom scale.
And if they do, it's like a pretty cheap bioelectrical
impedance scale. It's estimating their upper body
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based off their lower body. So it's not really giving them
accurate feedback more often than not, but like seeing it
visually where you can, you know, partition, what body
region is holding the most fats,what's your lean mass doing over
time, What's your bone density doing over time?
Like I feel like people that aren't even in the bodybuilding
space, but just trying to be healthy and live a vibrant life
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like that makes it tangible for them.
Right. You know, a lot of the the
aspects of the analysis that we offer are aspects that people
have never had access to. You know, it's only through
clinical grade testing can you see some of these types of
attributes about your body. And, and people are excited even
when the numbers don't look good, even when they, you know,
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they see the numbers and they know full well they expected
something like that. But even when they see them,
they get excited mostly because there's clarity, there's,
there's no more guesswork. It allows them to establish a
true foundation simply because the analysis is accurate.
And it's it's looking at aspectsof their Physiology, their
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morphology, if you will, that they've never been able to see
before. Like you said, you know, when's
the last time someone knew what their right left lean muscle
symmetry look like for their arms?
I mean, obviously there are people who definitely want to
know these things, bodybuilders and this, that and the other,
But most people who have never seen these types of numbers or
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analysis, they get excited even when the numbers aren't good.
Yeah, well, I mean, it's it's empowering because it gives them
like if you get a goal as to where you want to get, you have
to really know where you're starting from.
And that's like an old cliche that we all have heard and know
to be true. But it's like people are totally
shooting in the dark because they have no idea what they're
resting metabolic ray. They have no idea how much lean
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tissue they're carrying on the frame.
They have no idea what their maintenance caloric intake is
based off their activity. So they're just totally shooting
in the dark. Whereas this makes it all very
material for them. You've got my DEXA pulled up.
Let's just kind of go through. Can you also pull up like not
right now, but like can you alsohave access to like the 3D
imaging scan and all that on there?
Not on, not on this interface. That's in a different interface,
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different app. Actually, that's on your app.
Yeah. Yeah, I think you have your app.
It's on your app. We can pull that up too, but.
Totally. Look at that.
Let's just dive into the DEXA and for people that are not
familiar with DEXA scans, like just use this as an opportunity
to kind of enlighten them as to what what all this information
provides and kind of what actualfeedback they can take as a
result of having this information.
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Sure. So the a DEXA scanner is
essentially a total body low energy X-ray scan that looks at
three different types of tissue.It looks at bone, fat and a
category known as other, which we consider that lean mass,
which is your lean, your, you know, muscle, water and vital
organs. Hair and everything, pretty
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much. It's not it really.
Doesn't pick up the hair. It doesn't really.
I don't think that it does that.So if I.
Grow my hair. I'm not going to have more
muscle. No, I don't think that's true.
I don't think that's true. I think it's, I don't, I don't
think it does that. But that's what Dex is looking
at. So under the analysis, it gives
you a composite score based on the different aspects of the
analysis that it's looking at. It's looking at body fat,
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visceral fat, lean muscle mass, and it also looks at bone
mineral density. So based on your age and gender
and what these numbers look like, it's essentially grading
you on that as a total compositescore.
So in your case, you did, you did well.
Each time you come in, you've had a or a plus.
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And this one was taken June of this year.
June of this year was when you when you came in.
So I'm in full blown building phase right now, not batting
down for a show or anything. So 14 1/2 body fat in the build
is pretty much where I'm trying to be.
So that's. Right.
So you know your body fat was 14.5%, you had basically 26 lbs
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of body fat total total. So you know that that number
alone, it's actually telling youthe amount, total amount of fat,
not just as a percentage, but asweight, like how many pounds.
So that's a number that can be tracked.
You know, as you know, your fat percentage changes can change a
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lot of different reasons. You know, maybe you have more
muscle mass, that's that sort ofthing.
But you can actually track the fat as well as far as the
numbers. Which is in and of itself key
for people that are just only looking at the total weight on
the scale. It's like what you know, you
need to kind of know what that composition is, not just weight.
That's where that that's where it becomes more valuable for an
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individual. But you know, also, you know, in
your case, you know, we looked at visceral fat, which is the
fat that's inside your body cavity.
You know, it's what's consideredthe bad type of fat.
You know it, it can. Run around the organs.
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's on the other side of your abdominal
wall. It's inside your body cavity.
You know, that type of fat in a lot of ways kind of acts like
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its own organ. It can release hormones.
It can release chemical messengers that cause
inflammation systemically or locally.
You know, it's, it's just not a type of fat that's beneficial to
you over the long haul. The good news about visceral fat
is it's metabolically active andyou can get rid of visceral fat,
you know, with, with the diet and exercise and that sort of
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thing, low stress, low cortisol,that sort of thing.
How how does measuring visceral fat via DEXA compared to via MRI
imaging? I actually don't know.
I'm not familiar with the MRI modality per SE, but I.
Haven't done that test yet but I've got a colleague that does
MRI for visceral fat so I want to kind of do both and see.
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But it's more expensive. Cost prohibitive for sure.
Absolutely. And I, I don't know of any
radiology department that would let someone come in.
I want to see what my visceral fat level is.
Not today we have too many otherhigh, high, you know, high
priority patients ahead of the line.
But but what, what makes the DEXA interesting is it's just
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accessible. It's it's, it's, it's a cheap
test overall compared to something like an MRI, but it
definitely looks at the visceralfat also, which is a something
that separates DEXA from a lot of other analysis.
So I'm in the fair category on the fair.
Fair. I think, you know, if we look
back in time, you've had better,you know, better results kind.
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Of depends on whether or not I'min a prep or not, probably.
Yeah, true, true. But you know, that's certainly
visceral fat is something that you don't want to have a lot of
you. You want that to be very low.
Yeah, makes total sense. And then we also have the lean
mass analysis where we we can see compositionally what percent
of your body is lean mass, but we are, we can also take a look
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at how many pounds of lean mass you have.
So interestingly, you know, barring any surgery where your
vital organs are removed, you know that changes to this number
are essentially muscle and water, you know, so that's a
number you can track over time, you know, so the if you want to
see if you're actually putting on muscle, I can track that.
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For sure, and you do it. You can do it by body part
region too, which is nice. That's right.
You know, we can look at different various regions of the
body, the trunk, the arms, the legs.
Do I have more lean mass in my arms than Greg?
I have to look. I don't know about that.
He's just off a show. I don't know.
We'll see about that. But more importantly, you know,
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with the lean mass analysis, nowwe can consider symmetry, right,
left symmetry, which is important for a lot of reasons.
Obviously there's the aesthetic aspect, but more importantly
just biomechanical movement and injury prevention, things like
that. You want to be symmetrical in
your movements. Certainly.
You know, an interesting thing that DEXA does is it does this
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analysis called the appendicularlean mass index.
And what this is, is essentiallyyour lean mass in your
extremities, your arms and your legs converted to kilograms
divided by your height in meterssquared.
And it essentially gives you a muscular index number.
And what they found is if you'reif you score really high in
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this, you generally have a better lifespan and less chronic
disease burden over your lifespan.
This is kind of like a much better version of ABMI.
Test. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. Because I'm always obese in BMI
calculation. And this is, you know, we're
only dealing with lean tissue. So this would be muscle and
water in the extremities and, and it only makes sense.
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I mean, just just looking at it at the 30,000 foot level, if
someone has a lot of muscle in their legs, they typically have
pretty good mobility or if they have a lot of muscle in their
arm, they can carry things. They generally wouldn't be
limited in their movement patterns unless they had some
sort of pain or something like that.
But it's an excellent analysis to look to see how how much
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muscle you have on your frame for your height.
Well, what we know is we want that number to be high because
as we age, we're going to lose that anyway.
So we want you to be what I wantto call the top of the mountain,
the top of the mountain so that as you age, you age at a from a
high number so that you're much further away from, you know,
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loss of muscle, you know, sarcopenia or any type of
frailty issues later in life, certainly in your senior years.
So if you can keep this number high, that's more indicative of
a a much more vibrant health span.
Absolutely. Yeah, It'd be interesting to get
this data as I get older and older, for sure.
Like, I don't know when I'll retire from competing if I
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retire. But like, like I think of my
grandparents, for instance, who are just not using their muscles
and therefore there's significant atrophy taking
place. And when you start going
downhill, you start going downhill quick.
So to be able to have this to kind of like measure against
year to year as you age would besuper helpful.
You know, DEXA also looks at bone mineral density.
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It's one of the main reasons it was developed.
And we can actually do a comparison to your peer group,
you know, your sex, your age group and how how you shake down
compared to other folks bone mineral density in your class.
So it's and I get. I give this number.
The technical way to look at this is standard deviations
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above the mean For you know if you look at a bell curve, the
top of the bell curve would be 0.
To the right of the bell curve would be a positive number,
which is where you want to be incomparison on this analysis.
And you were .4 standard deviations.
So you were on your way down thebell curve on the on the right
side of the bell curve, which isthe good side.
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You know, if you were negative .4 that's not as good.
That means that your bone mineral density would be much
less than than. The and on the the DEXA like
peer group analysis that's basedoff of everybody that uses DEXA
that's ever. Been on the machine right in the
world, yeah, so. There's probably even a little
bit of a healthy user bias in that, I would think, because
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more often than not people that are using Dexas are like
interested in like probably healthy to some extent or at
least trying to be relative to the general standard American
diet population. Well, the other, the other, the
other flip, flip side of that would be, you know, if someone's
getting DEXA for bone mineral density, maybe it's because
they're at risk or they have symptoms or they're exhibiting
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symptoms of, you know, osteopenia or osteoporosis, some
type of bone pathology. So that might balance out.
I'm not exactly sure sure for sure how that how that pans out,
but what we do know is the the population that you're being
compared against is large enoughto make an assessment for sure
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without a doubt. Very cool, I like any other
worthwhile things touching on asfar as the dex is concerned.
It also tells you how much your bones weigh.
Which is pretty crazy. It's 6.3 lbs.
Yeah. You know, I always ask folks
before the number comes up, hey,how much, how much do you think
your bones weigh? And they always say 30 pounds,
40 lbs. And then when I show them the
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number, they're, you know, it's astounding.
It's astounding. It's amazing what that skeleton
can do. What?
Blows my mind is the people thatare carrying way too much
weight, like they're still carrying all that weight on the
same skeletal frame that a person of healthy weight is
carrying. It's like that's asking so much
more of that skeletal structure than a healthy individual.
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It's like there's no such thing as, oh, they're just big bone.
It's like, no, they're just obese and they're putting all
that taxation on their bones. Certainly on the joints, yeah,
the joints, you know, knees and ankles and hips, certainly for
that. But it is an interesting thing
about DEXA that I mean, nobody knows what their bones weigh.
And so that's just a just a fun way of looking at the analysis.
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What's the highest number you'veseen there for the weight of
bones? Oh, I've, I've had some tall
gentlemen that interestingly hadvery good bone mineral density.
I think it was, I don't know, 8.4.
It's like, still single digits though nothing.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I actually don't know
what the highest is, but that, yeah, 88's a lot.
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Yeah, 8's a lot. You know that's you know, that's
20% more than you. It is crazy because I think
about like the the weights like I'm pulling with a deadlifter, A
squat, like I'm loading my skeletal structure with 400 plus
pounds and the bones that are moving that are structure like
that's less than 10 lbs That's crazy.
Yeah, yeah, You know, the the bones allow a place for muscle
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attachment, you know, and so, you know, the torque that you
put on bones has a lot to do with the health of the bone.
You know, that's why weightlifting is a is really
good for your bones. You know, it gives you that that
essential strain on the bone that is necessary for growth.
But yeah, it's amazing that the skeleton, it's very hollow
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actually, you know, it's in in alot of ways very porous.
Obviously, you know, because we know what a what in your case,
6.3 lbs. We know what a 6 LB dumbbell
weighs. Not much at all.
So imagine you know, you've got your skeleton over one shoulder
and you got your. It's amazing how how wide it
actually is in comparison to itsfunctionality.
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That's wow. Wow, What else we got as far as
Dex? Anything else?
No, I think, I think that's it, you know, it's, it's the main
areas are for body composition. It's super non invasive scan,
you know it. Takes takes anywhere from 4:00
to 7:00 minutes based on how large you are as far as your
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your total mass. You know, the scan goes faster
if you're smaller, but about anywhere from 4:00 to 7:00
minutes, maybe 8 minutes tops. And it's very quick, like laying
down on a tanning bed, except I've got a little cushion there
instead of hard plastic. It's very quick, very quick.
And there's it's very easy, very.
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Easy. Is there like when people are
doing DEXA scans like on a regular basis?
Is there a length of time to optimally try and have a scan
between? Like how much time ideally
between scans to get measurable changes?
Well, depending on what you're trying to look at, are you
looking at body fat? Are you looking at lean mass?
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You know, because. Like when lean, like when I'm in
a prep, if I'm, you know, losingbody fat at a pretty aggressive
rate, like that all shows for sure.
But if I'm in a building phase, naturally it takes so much time
to build muscle. Like if I'm getting a scan every
few months, I could probably would make sense to have a
longer time interval between. Yeah.
You know, depending on how closely you want to try to
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monitor the results and how, howclosely you want to see the
trend lines and to, to, to determine whether or not your
training type, you know, your what type of training you're
doing is giving you the effect. You know that a lot of that has
to do with the periodicity of the exam.
You know, let's say you're doinga six month work up for a show.
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I mean, you know, you do your baseline probably every couple
of months come in and just have a sense of your trend line.
And you know, 'cause you get excited when the, when you see
the trend lines, you get excited.
And so I always recommend that that that's a good reason to, to
be scanned. It's just to see the trend
lines, but I think about every couple of months or so.
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And in in your case, if you weredoing a show prep, that would be
totally fine. You know, for the general, a
person who just comes in becausethey want to know a DEXA and
their numbers look relatively good, I don't know, maybe every
year would be sufficient. You know, if their visceral fats
really high, I'd like to see them come in a little sooner
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than that just to see if what they're doing as their
intervention is working. You know, I don't want them to
wait a year and then and then say, hey, whatever you were
doing that that didn't work. I'd rather not have to wait that
long. I'd rather be able to see some
improvements. It's like if you're manipulating
a lot of things like trying to change your diet, change your
training, like 6 months minimum makes sense.
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And then like for me and a prep,I'd probably do it and I'd
probably do it like every month because.
Well, yeah, I mean, obviously if, if, if you have something
close by and it's accessible andaffordable, you know, more
frequently is is it makes it valuable certainly for trend
line analysis and to really dialthings in to say, hey, you know,
this is exactly where I'm at with everything.
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So that's probably what I'd recommend.
Do you have my RMR or is that ona separate app as well?
I do actually. I do have your RMR.
Because we did that and that that test was interesting
because basically I just sat in the chair for 15 minutes
breathing casually and it was like talk, talk about RMR.
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So what is that calculating? So the resting metabolic rate is
a test. It's a resting test.
Obviously. I've got you in a Chase lounge
chair. I've got you hooked into a gas
analysis machine, the metabolic cart, and I've got you.
Breathing through a tube takes about, like you said, usually
between 15 and 20 minutes. And what it's doing, it's taking
a sampling of your breathing, your gases that you're exhaling,
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you know, carbon dioxide and oxygen, and essentially
extrapolating what your metabolic rate is from that.
The resting metabolic rate is the rate where you're awake,
alert, and not moving. So it'll not the same as basal
metabolic rate. That'd be like if you're in a
coma. Basal would be your sleeping
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basically. Yeah, life sustaining metabolic
activity. And a lot of like a lot of
people. Which is usually less than.
Right. Yeah.
And they make the the negative assumption like they'll get like
a, they'll plug in their height and weight and age into like a
generic macro calculator online.It'll calculate their estimated
BMR and then it'll say 1200 calories or something for
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females as an example. And they'll just assume that's
what they should be consuming ona daily basis if their goal is
to lose weight. But like you said, that's not
accounting for any expenditure throughout the day, which is not
a healthy caloric intake. Right.
So you know, the mathematical calculations, it's a starting
point, certainly, but where, where the test comes into play
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is I'm actually directly measuring metabolic activity
right then, right, as far as what your conditioning level is,
what's your, what's your, your, your level of activity actually
is right now. And so that becomes very
accurate. And so, you know, there's a lot
of reasons to have a resting metabolic rate number.
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Certainly if someone's on a, a weight loss journey and they
want to dial in, you know, they really want to have an, the
essence of what kind of caloric intake is required, that would
be a reason to have it. Or let's say you're an athlete
and you definitely want your metabolic rate high because
that's, that's more indicative of an increase in conditioning,
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right? You want, you want your
metabolic rate to be high because that's, that's your idle
speed. You want your idle speed to be
much higher, you know, So if that's going up, that's maybe a,
a clue that maybe your muscle mass is going up because that's
where most of your calories are being burned is in the muscle or
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you're the, the metabolic machinery inside the muscle.
Let's say it's the same size, but the machinery, the metabolic
machinery inside the muscle is much more robust, much more
active, which we like that. That could be indicative of a
higher resting metabolic rate, but we definitely want the
number to to not be going down. We definitely don't want that
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so. And the higher the the metabolic
rate, the more foods you can consume quote UN quote get away
with so. Absolutely.
So a lot. There's a lot of ways to use a
resting metabolic rate. You know, you can some folks may
eat may use that that resting rate as the calorie intake level
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for the day and then they allow their physical activity to
create a deficit. That's some people do that.
The other thing you can do is you can take your resting rate
and then you can add in any of your physical activity.
You know your sessions, if you have a, a wearable, you know you
can add those caloric contributions to the resting
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rate and that gives you a sense of what your daily requirement
might be. But it it definitely takes a lot
of the guesswork out of the caloric burn that makes up most
of your caloric burn in the day.The more sedentary you are, the
more the resting metabolic rate matches your total, but the more
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active you are certainly your your physical activity that
takes away some of that so. So what?
What were my results here? I've been with some.
We did this test. So this was the 1836 resting
metabolic rates. Pretty much if I'm just chilling
on the computer all day working on emails.
Yeah, yeah, You know, certainly if you know, you're sitting
around working on astrophysics or some high level intellectual
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activity, you know, you do burn a little more sugar in the
brain. But in in the in.
In essence, your test was basically where it predicted
mathematically, also based on equation.
And I expected, you know, you and I are about the same height.
You've got more muscle than I do, so I would expect your
resting metabolic rate to be higher than mine.
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And that's true certainly with the number that we see there,
the 1830, six, 1836 calories perday.
And when I'm doing a calculationonline, it's pretty close to
then. And I know from years of track
and that my true maintenance intake based off of my activity
levels is typically around 3000 calories.
So I'm on average burning an additional 1200 calories just
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from the day-to-day activity to maintain weight if that's my
resting metabolic rate. Yeah.
But as I was saying, you know, it just the resting metabolic
rate allows you to have a littlemore clarity in your idle speed,
if you will. And you know, that's a number
that most people would never normally get that measured
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directly. So that's where we come in as we
we offer that analysis. Totally.
Now for this one we were sittingin a lounge chair taking it
easy, listening to some chill music.
But when I went in the other dayfor a VO2 Max, that was not the
case. I wasn't just taking it easy on
that one. No that you don't have that on
your screen though, right I. Do have, I do have your VO2, but
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I don't have your metabolic profile that we that we talked
about earlier. Yeah, pull up that you get here.
I've got, yeah, we, we had you at 55 milliliters per kilogram
per minute. And for context, I don't do any
cardiovascular training. I mean, I just started kind of
post this test, so I expect thatto be better the next time we
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test. But what is this measuring
exactly? What can we glean from this?
How do people implement it in their training?
Like just give us the rundown onVO2.
So VO2 Max is a maximal cardio respiratory fitness test.
We do it on the treadmill I've got you hooked up to with a mask
on, and we're analyzing your exhalations into this gas
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analyzer. What the VO2 Max test does is it
measures your body's ability to use oxygen to make energy
essentially, right. So for instance, we know how
much oxygen's in the air. We, the machine can figure that
out, but it also analyzes how much oxygen you're breathing
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out, right? Which is much less than what's
in the air, cause your body usedsome of that.
And So what we're measuring is the maximum difference between
what's in the air and what you exhale, right?
And so that's what you've consumed metabolically.
And so we're measuring that in your case, and it's based on
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your weight. And we, we, we kind of make it a
relative number based on your weight and it's milliliters of
oxygen per kilogram of body weight per minute.
So when we do the test, it's actually sampling about every 15
seconds. So you did pretty good.
That's a pretty good number. That's a good number, and it was
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something like I was in the upper 94th percentile of people
in my age group and sex or something like that.
You have your you have your print out that we looked at on
the front page. It actually categorized your
fitness level. What does it say?
Superior. Of course, of course.
No, that's really good. Stick that on the fridge, yeah?
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And again, you know that VO2 number, just like with the
muscle mass number, we want the VO2 number to be high.
Yeah. It's considered a vital sign and
a lot of circles, certainly in cardiology, you know, it's been
talked about as vital signs. We know that if you have a high
VO2, you typically live longer. That's true.
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I mean, I don't think that's in question.
You can actually raise your VO2 through training.
Obviously, you know, different types of training modalities.
You lose VO2 over time as you age, just like we lose
everything else. We lose our eyesight, we lose
our hearing, we lose our muscles, we lose coordination,
we lose cardio respiratory capacity.
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But in the cardio respiratory capacity area, that has a lot to
do with your ability to negotiate the rigors of life,
You know, do physical activities, you know, you know,
work out or go for a walk or you, you name the activity that
requires oxygen, which everything does.
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Those are things that over time become much more limited for
you. And so we want to be able to
maintain as much vitality with our movements and with our
activities. So VO2 is something that we can
measure, I can categorize your fitness level and it's something
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that we can track over time. You know, if you get another
test, you know, let's say you you decide to take up running as
part of your part of your training block, you know, I
expect that to actually be higher.
And the way you conducted the test is that we established A
baseline like jog, then like fast walk, then jog, and then
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once we established our speed, Ithink it was like 6 miles an
hour for me, we just started increasing the grade every
minute, I believe. Right.
So we, we started you out just as a, as a slow walk and over
the course of about 5 or 6 minutes, I slowly got you up to
your testing speed, which would be your testing speed.
And in, in your case it was 6 mph on the treadmill.
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And then after that, every minute I increase the treadmill
grade by 1%. And So what we're doing is we're
increasing the workload gradually and we're, we're
essentially maxing out your, your oxygen, yeah, oxygen use
capacity and, and forcing you totransition between different
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energy systems in the, in the muscle to the point where you're
basically transitioning away from burning fat, which is the
substrate that's typically used at low intensities.
And you start and I artificiallyforce you to transition to using
more carbohydrates later in the in the protocol until the point
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where you tap out. And so for you, I think you we
got you up to what 10% grade? It was pretty, I think we were
like at 12. 12%. Grade yeah, we went up there,
man. OK, I'll have to remember that.
I'll have to go back and look. Well, let's see.
Yeah. So that's probably true.
Because I've got that's. Pretty steep actually. 12% is
quite. Quite A and This is why a lot of
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people train like heart rate style training.
Like they'll try and pick a zoneand stay in that zone depending
on what their goals are. Which is something I've never
done previous. Like I've never I don't do a ton
of cardio but like when I'm in afat loss phase.
Like I I've never paid 2 minds to what my heart rate is or
trained based off the zone heartrate calculation.
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Right. Think of heart rate as an
indicator of workload, you know,so it's directly proportional to
your workload, you know, so the higher your heart rate, the more
work you're doing, the more taxing it is on your body, if
you will. So what was interesting in your
case is because of your ketogenic diet.
I was interested to see to. What?
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Let's pull that. So let me, if you'll like, pull
your screen down. Yeah, let me pull it out.
And then, yeah, there you go. I don't know why mine's not
maximized, though. There we go.
And you can see that on your ownchip.
I can actually. Plug that into the.
Thing OK, so where are you getting the full picture there?
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So before we dive into mine, which is mine right here, let's
look at a typical scan. And you sent me a few.
This is just the first one, but even the other ones you send
this. Is textbook.
This is pretty much. Textbook and this this
individual was looks like 51 years old male, but you sent me
some that were closer in age to me and it's pretty similar
layout exactly. They all, they all kind of look
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the same. Walk us through what we're
seeing here. So what we see here is an
effective fat burn chart where each column is one minute of the
protocol and that black area is the caloric contribution of fat
and the brown or the tan is the caloric contribution of
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carbohydrates or sugar. And So what we see is over the
course of this protocol, as the workload goes up, your fat
burning machinery in the cell, you know, in the mitochondria
is, is being able to keep up with a lot of the workload.
You still have a little bit of sugar burn underneath that which
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is which you see that a lot. But notice as the workload
starts to go up, your body starts to rely less and less on
fat and more and more on carbohydrate.
You know, it does that for a lotof different reasons.
We know that you can get energy from carbohydrate much more
faster and more efficiently overa short period of time than you
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can fat. And so your body generally wants
to transition to that. You know the other thing too to
look at at this is you have increases in adrenaline, right?
And if something gets harder andmore stressful, you get more
adrenaline into the bloodstream.And that actually can cause the
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breakdown of sugar more quickly in the liver.
And so you get a little more sugar out there available to you
and also you have what's known as muscle type transition,
muscle fiber type transition. Type 1 type.
Two, type 1 is type 1 is kind ofyour aerobic fat burning style
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muscle tissue. And then the type 2 is more of
the carbohydrate loving or fast twitch muscle.
And so as the core, as you increase in intensity, you get
that transition away from type 1and more type 2.
So what you see is, is a push towards carbohydrate metabolism.
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And then eventually that just kind of takes over because your
body just says, you know what, Ijust can't do the fat anymore.
We're just going to do carbohydrate because that's how
we're that's that's the road youwant to go down.
We're going to use carbohydratesgoing out.
So everyone. You're at peak past them and
your your liver and your musclesare dumping, all stored in
glycogen and that's just what's getting used.
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Yeah, that's whatever is in the muscle.
You know, you certainly already have stuff in the muscle and
then what's in the bloodstream and then what gets kicked out
through the in the from the liver.
But all roads lead to a very tall brown column.
That's I get everybody there andand it's just interesting to see
that that's where it goes. But in your, in your guys's.
Case Clover to mine. I was.
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It was very fascinating. So this is what being keto for a
decade plus results in. I actually didn't expect it to
look like that. I was fascinated to see that
from your heart rate from 85 beats per minute, to really be
close to 120 beats per minute, you were almost using 0 sugar.
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I was. I couldn't believe that.
And honestly, like it didn't start carbohydrate didn't exceed
fat until I was pretty much likeone 61167 right as a heart rate.
So I which is a high heart rate.That's a high heart.
That's like I had to go on trailruns and that's a pretty good
clip on a trail run. So like it didn't, I mean, when
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I'm typically just trained, let's I'm all out sprinting.
I mean, I'm predominantly fat metabolism which is pretty cool.
Yeah, definitely. That's the case here.
I mean the predominance of fat in this profile is profound.
It's interesting, you know, you're the crossover point for
you is like what you said, the crossover point being the point
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where the caloric contribution of fat and carbohydrates is
about the same. It was in the 16161 is kind of
where the average heart rate wasat that at that point.
But what's interesting about fatmetabolism versus carbohydrate
metabolism, we know that lactatethat comes from carbohydrate
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metabolism, not fat metabolism. So, you know, when you're
burning a lot of sugar, very quickly you can accumulate the
lactate and that's where things start to unravel.
And this is literally why I never get sore.
Like I train every single day. I never get sore especially with
like weight training. I'm I'm typically not going
super high on my heart rate, butI'm never having this lactate
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threshold being met so I don't ever get that lactate burn.
Mm hmm, which is interesting. But it's it, yeah, I was.
It's very fascinating to see thepredominance of of fat
metabolism during the course of this protocol.
I mean, 2, I don't know, 2/3, almost 3/4 of your protocol was
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fat. I'd never seen that.
I would love to have gotten thistest like the first year I
started doing keto and see how it compares to now having done
it for over a decade because I was.
I would assume that the deeper levels of adaptation I'm in that
fat predominant metabolism source of energy is just
elongated. But I'll have to do this again
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to see. But what when I think of this
from an efficacious standpoint for athletes, like if you're, if
you're deeply fat adapted, then you're able to tap into a much
larger fuel reserve because you've got much more stored fat
than you can store in glucose inyour liver and muscles.
So if you're not having to rely on what is stored in glucose for
much longer than your peer groupor competitors, then you've got
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a much longer, larger lasting reserve of fuel.
So like this I think is very efficacious for endurance
athletes as well because most like endurance sports like
unless you're going all out sprinting like you can be like
in my case, I mean, I can be jogging at 150 heart rate for a
long time and that whole time I'm predominantly using fat, you
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know, so. So if you look at the difference
between the energy currency thatone molecule of glucose provide
you versus 1 molecule of let's say palmitic acid fat, you know,
palmitic acid fat can give you 21/2 times as much ATP energy
just in one molecule. So like you said that that
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reserve, there's so much more energy packed into a fat
molecule that you can, that we can grab onto.
If you have the machinery to do it, it's there.
If you have the factories, if you have enough factories online
to get yourself into that fat molecule and and do it
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efficiently, you haven't it's almost unlimited in a lot of
ways if you if you if you have the machinery to do it.
Yeah. So that's kind of what we see
here is I actually you it was a good test.
And that was I was impressed. Even Greg was impressed.
Yeah, it was cool, man. Greg's profile looked very
similar to mine. I mean, we both had that
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elongated fat metabolism. He had a different, I think he
had a different protocol and I can't remember if you guys did
the exact same protocol. I think his was like fast
walking and then a slight jog and mine was a little slow jog
to more of a faster jog or something.
But what was interesting is the the essence of your profile were
very similar. That was, we definitely garnish
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that from the analysis is that your ketogenic diet is, is
producing a, a, a particular type of profile at least between
you 2 guys. You know, if we were to analyze
25 of you, you know, I've had a conga line of VO2 Max test for
ketogenic athletes. I 'cause I don't have a lot of
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you 2 are the only ones I've tested that were ketogenic.
So I don't have a lot of experience with that.
That's why it was fascinating tosee how different the profile
was compared to even runners. Even runners.
Because a runner, I mean, I don't know what this
individual's activity levels arelike, but I mean, this is
textbook you say, right? Like this is pretty much.
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What? Yeah, You, you see the the
rising fat and then it just really tapers off fairly
quickly, usually in, you know, anywhere from a heart rate to
1:45 to 1:50. And a lot of people you know,
based on conditioning level, butmoving forward after that,
there's no fat, almost none. But you guys carried it out much
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further and it was much more robust along the way.
So those columns are much higherin their caloric contribution
across the most of the protocol,which is fascinating.
Yeah, no, it's super interesting, man.
It definitely kind of piqued my interest in just diving deeper
into heart rate training, VO2 Max specifically.
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So I'm I'm much more cognizant of it now.
I'll I'll start implementing it.More, you know, and, and just as
an aside, you know, for bodybuilders who are viewing
and, and watching this, if you're more aerobically fit,
you're more quickly able to recover between sets.
Totally. I don't think anybody would deny
that. And just in general, your
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ability to negotiate hard training sessions, it only helps
if you can, if you have all thisextra energy pumping in there.
So, you know, I certainly recommend that folks don't
overlook the aerobic side of their training.
Yeah, I've never overlooked it, but in like the bodybuilding,
powerlifting space especially, there's like no attention paid
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towards it whatsoever. And you think about it like if
you're trying to maximize hypertrophy and strength for
like squat, for instance. But if you're gassed after a few
reps of squat, then you're leaving muscle building
potential on table because you could potentially do more reps,
train more frequently if you arein better cardiovascular shape.
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So yeah, you can't really take it for granted.
Yeah. I think, you know, certainly
have a little more flexibility with changing, changing your
training volume. You know, you'd be able to
negotiate that, but certainly ina lot of ways, you know, with
the, the power lifters, that's adifferent energy system also.
We haven't talked about that one, but you know, that's a,
that's a different type of training certainly in a
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different type of bioenergetic aspect of weightlifting
certainly. Yeah, I just want to be harder
to kill, man, all over. I want to be just lethal from a
strength standpoint, A cardiovascular conditioning
standpoint, and just healthy. Like, I feel like as human
beings, we should be able to, you know, have some basic
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benchmarks like be able to pull up our own body weight and be
able to just, on a whim, run a mile without fail.
Like just little things like that that we should all be
capable of doing. So the services we provide in
Dexafit, all services, you know,if you combine all the services
that we have, the analysis wantsyou to be good at everything.
Just like you said, it wants youto be a hybrid, it wants you to
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be lean, it wants you to be muscular, it wants you to have
really good bones, no visceral fat.
It wants you to be able to run and it wants you to have a high
metabolic rate. I mean, that's, so the analysis
is, is grading you against what it sees as the perfect hybrid,
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if you will. And so that's what you're up
against when when you do these tests, is it it's, it's grading
you against where you should probably be for your age to
ensure that you have the longevity and the lifespan that
you'd like to have. What there was 1?
I think it may have been on yourapp for my dex is like
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biological age. Is that basically measuring
against peer group at a given age?
Like what? What the?
Consensus is there, so it's taken into account the
questionnaire that you fill out before you come in your pretest
questionnaire. It takes into account, you know,
are you a smoker? Are you this?
Are you that? But then it also more
importantly takes into account any testing that you do.
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You know, it feeds all that information into that
calculation and gives you a biological age, which is
different than your chronological age, which is your
calendar age. Your biological age takes into
consideration what you appear tobe by analysis.
I think it said mine is 22 yearsold or something.
Was that right? I couldn't remember.
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How low it was Prime man let. Me, let me see, Let me see what
it was. I think it was. 2424 Now I will
say that's not the best chronological age, biological
age difference I've seen. I've seen 18 years.
First somebody that was how old?I want to say they were in their
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upper 50s. Wow, that's crazy 50s that's.
Impressive, which is pretty good.
I've had some young early 20 or mid 20 runners and they were 11,
you know? You get a lot of people where
their biological age is much older than their chronic I've
had. I've had a few.
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They were aghast by it. You know, I had an older
gentleman who was 13 years biologically older than his
actual age. So we talked about it and I
explained what was basically creating that that disparity.
But that would be a good motivating factor though for
sure. Well, I, I would hope so.
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I would hope so You it's basically an 8.
It's, it's a clock. Yeah.
It's, it's saying this is kind of where you seem to be based on
analysis. And so physiologically, all the
aspects, all the attributes thatwe look at in a composite way,
you know, how old are you essentially, which is, I think
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that's, I actually like that part of the analysis, my
analysis. Is tangible for people.
I'm a little younger than my age, which I like that too, and
I want to keep once. Once you know that you want to
keep that, it's an interesting thing I when you first get the
app and you download the app andyou pull up your DEXA scan for
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the first time, or your your biological age, the default
number that comes up in the software is 88, but you have to,
you know, it ought to you refresh.
It did you see that? Yeah, I saw that.
I'm like, man, I'm going backwards.
I. Had I had a lady, I had a lady
almost fall out. She and she couldn't believe it,
but I said Oh no, just pull, refresh the app.
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And she was so relieved to know that she was.
Not 88. 25 or whatever. It was.
So that was an interesting and Ialways forget to tell people
that don't look at that 88, it'snot real.
Yeah, you got to refresh him. Well, you're, you're doing us a
solid man. You're not only are you a
platinum sponsor for our competition in September, but
you're hosting a super generous 2 day open house for anybody
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coming in and involved with the show.
What at all like competitors, which is a great time to get a
DEXA scan, but like attendees, registrants, volunteer, anybody
involved, you're hooking them upwith half price on DEXA and a
full free 3D imaging scan, whichis, we didn't even talk about
that, but that's super cool. You stand on a platform and this
camera does a 360 around you andit's all, you know, facial
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recognition. So anytime you test there going
forward, it does like heat mapping to show where you've
gained, where you've lost estimates, visceral fat, body
fat, lean tissue, all that stuff.
And it's pretty. I mean, it looks just like it's
kind of trippy. So my, my goal was to provide a
way for bodybuilders in their peak condition to see most
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accurately where their composition truly is at their
best. I think, I think you guys should
know that, you know, I, I just feel like that's a number you
should know as a competitor. And a lot of the competitors are
kind of delusional. They think they're 6% body fat,
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where is in reality they may actually be like 12% body fat.
You know, I mean getting a DEXA scan when you're that lean is
like the the real telltale sign.Right.
So, so you get the DEXA scan andyou get the body comp analysis.
And then if you marry that up with a 3D scan, now you get the
external photographic side of itthat does an estimation of all
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of your circumferences and your 3 dimensional volume, right?
So it's a 3 dimensional analysis, whereas DEX is A2
dimensional analysis. But you know, putting those two
together, it gives you a wealth of information.
And like you said, if you have changes in your, in your
circumferences over time, you can compare scan to scan.
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And then it generates what's known as a heat map, like you
were saying, where it's color-coded and it tells you
where you've lost and where you've gained all on one image
simultaneously. So it's, it's giving you a, a
snapshot of all the changes thathave happened over the course
of, let's say 30 days or 60 daysor whatever scan periodicity you
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want to look at. And so that gets exciting
because what's more motivating than to know, oh, I lost inches
off my waist. Oh, my shoulders got 3mm larger
or you name it. It's very accurate.
So I I certainly would want themto have that 3D scan just as a a
way of seeing their body in a different way, certainly with
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the, you know, looking at the morphology, but then with the
DEXA looking at the actual makeup.
Yeah, you know, your your compositional makeup.
I think the two of those together, it's that's the
winning combination for bodybuilders certainly.
Yeah, I'm, I'm super excited to have you here close and local,
man. Like truly when I do my next
prep, like I'll be there on a monthly basis documenting
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because I'd document everything anyways.
But be able to have it all digitally with the same
equipment every time where I cancontrol all the environmental
factors and be consistent is going to be game changer.
The the other thing to consider too is because of the accuracy
of the DEXA, if you come in overthe course of even during your
training block or your prep block, whatever, or certainly
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right before your show, you can truly evaluate objectively how
effective your training was. Now, obviously people are
effective at losing body fat and, and doing wonders to their
body over the course of a training block, but to to if you
wanted to evaluate maybe a different modification that
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you've made and how effective was that in a certain amount of
time? You know, did that timeline work
out the way you thought it was going to?
So there's a lot of variables that an individual who does
shows or fitness prep or whatever, they can use that
information in a lot of different ways to objectively
evaluate what they've done and just say, oh, OK, you know, that
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that really worked well for me or wow, I didn't expect that,
that that's great. Or wow, my.
You know, my shoulders or my calves or you name it, You know,
you can look at that stuff objectively, certainly when
you're at your peak condition and to evaluate your training.
And if you marry that up with, you know, taking somewhat
consistent progress photos, you've got that objective date
(01:00:17):
as well, which we're pretty goodabout doing here.
And then you're also tracking your intake.
So, you know, OK, what if my, ifI'm looking at my DEXA scan,
that's it and I've lost body fator I've gained body fat totally
independent of total scale weight.
What's the composition changes looking like?
But then you can like look at that, transpose it over.
What's my intake been like? Am I eating too many calories?
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Not enough calories, more protein, less protein, more
carbohydrates. It's like it just takes the
guesswork at things. You can be very objective with
the feedback you're getting and then make an informed decision
going forward. And my hope, my hope is that
competitors will begin to integrate this type of clinical
grade testing, certainly DEXA into their training into their,
(01:01:03):
into their thinking as far as knowing their body following
their progress or no progress. You know, you can, you know,
there's a lot of ways to look atit, but my, my hope is that now
that we're available in Arkansas, that, you know,
regional competitors will consider us as a place to give,
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give them a little more clarity,a little more understanding
about the exact nature of their composition.
And certainly if you've never used DEXA as part of your
analysis, I mean, you just got to come in at this point.
You just got it. You got to come in.
I'm hooked, man. No, I've been doing Nexus for
years. But like having it, all of the
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stuff you offer in one spot right in my backyard and like
I'm, I'm super pleased and I'm super grateful for you and glad
that we connect in the 1st place, man.
This has been nothing but positive.
No, I, I, I like all you guys coming in.
You guys are like Guinea pigs. I like seeing all this new
ketogenic stuff. I, I, you know, I'm going to
have to learn a little more about it myself.
(01:02:07):
I'm, I'm definitely perplexed bythat.
So. Yeah.
I'm happy to have all you guys come in.
Bodybuilding, runners, cyclist, enthusiast, you name it.
I mean, you guys are all all welcome and we'll talk about it.
I mean part of part of my service is we unpack it all.
Yeah. And we tell you what the numbers
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say and. I need my brother to jump on
he's he's like skinny but not hedoesn't lift, he doesn't eat the
right food. So I want to like get him on
that. I want to get him like full
blown lab panels done too so he can just see the actual numbers
and hopefully make better decisions.
We're available, we're open 100%man.
What's the website? Nwa.dexafit.com. nwa.dexafit.com
(01:02:53):
It's all by appointment only. You're the only person there.
When you come in, it's just me and you.
White glove service, man. I mean, it's VIP.
Start to finish. VIP and you're going to have a
booth at the show too, so peoplecan meet you there in person as
well. I'll be there and and combine.
See me, you know, if you haven'talready seen me at the open
house, just come by and chat andwe'll talk all things analysis.
(01:03:15):
We'll talk all things. I love it.
I love it. Well, Jerry, truly a pleasure,
ma'am. You're doing a good service for
people here in Northwest Arkansas, but all over.
And if we can get the state, I think Arkansas is like the
second most unhealthy state. I think Mississippi's got to
speed. West Virginia is in there too,
West Virginia. So Arkansas is that's not a good
place to be a good. I'd like for us not to be there.
(01:03:37):
Yeah, well, you're fighting the good fight and tipping that turn
the other way for sure. So keep doing it, brother.
Pleasure. Appreciate.
Absolutely. All right.
That's a ramp chip.
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