July 30, 2025 • 39 mins
Parenting isn’t just raising kids, it’s a journey full of challenges, growth, and unexpected lessons. In this powerful episode of the Savage Perspective Podcast, host Robert Sikes is joined by his father-in-law, Clint Love, to have a fun conversation about all the in's and out's of parenthood. From balancing family dynamics and dealing with emotional struggles to creating meaningful connections, Robert and Clint dive deep into personal stories of resilience, health, and family bonding. This conversation is packed with relatable challenges and valuable insights for ambitious men striving to juggle parenting, career success, and personal development. Episode 801 is a heartfelt discussion about fostering strong relationships, embracing change, and guiding the next generation while maintaining your own health and happiness.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction: Why Parenting is the Ultimate Learning Journey
3:00 How Parenting Evolves: Building Stronger Family Bonds Over Time
5:12 The Lifestyle Shifts Parenting Demands: From Fitness to Diet Changes
7:02 Fitness Tips for Busy Parents: The Impact of Staying Active
10:42 How Parenting Shapes Resilient and Resourceful Kids
12:41 Unique Parenting Challenges: Kids’ Sensitivities and Comfort Preferences
16:31 Balancing Roles: How Partners Can Share Parenting Responsibilities
18:20 Communication Styles in Parenting: Resolving Conflicts Effectively
21:39 Balancing Work, Relationships, and Parenting for a Happy Family
23:08 Strengthening Bonds Through Fun Activities Like Golf
26:26 Memorable Moments: Birthdays, Bagpipes, and Family Reunions
27:49 Parenting Boys: Managing Energy and Building Strong Connections
30:59 Why Parenting Older Kids Gets Easier and More Enjoyable
32:31 Overcoming Financial and Logistical Challenges of Larger Families
35:33 Family Bonding Through Cooking: How Food Brings Families Together
37:09 Navigating Kids’ Food Preferences and Honoring Cooking Traditions
39:30 Final Lessons Learned About Parenting and Family Growth
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(00:00):
I'm the oldest on my side of thefamily.
Crystal's the youngest on your side of the family.
Our kids are the youngest of allthe all the generation on.
The older everybody's gotten, the better they get along
together. I mean, there were times, you
know, when everybody's having their babies and everybody's got
an opinion. And, you know, you're younger
and you're, you're just learningstuff about a couple kids and
(00:22):
now they're older and I don't care.
You do what you want. You do you.
Yeah. It's it and it just becomes more
relaxed and everybody gets alongand, and I, I love it right now.
It's just, it's beautiful. All right, I don't feel as bad
at asking this question of all your son in law's who cooks the
best steak? You're the master.
Yeah, I'll take. You are the master.
I'll take it. I'll take it.
(00:43):
All right. I am joined here today with my
father-in-law, Clint. Love in the flesh.
How are you, man? Good, good, great.
I want to just start off with a super tough question, very
controversial, very important. All right, you ready?
Who is your favorite son-in-law?Oh yeah, let's see, I know who's
(01:10):
not. It's not me, right?
OK, OK, good. But we're not gonna go there.
OK. No, let's see.
Soon. Oh man.
You might want to put that mic alittle closer to your mouth.
You really want to hear it? Just in general, you want to
have it pretty close to your mouth.
OK. Is that is that good?
That's good. OK.
(01:30):
No, you, yeah, you can't ask. OK, I want to.
I'm like I think. It's like, I think it's like a
three-way tie because three-way tie, yeah.
All right, but I'm on the good end.
It's definitely good end. Yeah.
No, no, no, I it's like my kids,you know, I get asked, you know,
who's, who's your favorite kid? It's like, no, no, no, can't do
(01:54):
that. No, because everybody has their
own personalities, you know, andeverybody's different.
So I like them in their space, you know?
So it's like I can't, yeah, can't do it.
Yeah, no, it's plus. I'll probably never see somebody
again. Yeah, it wouldn't be good.
I wouldn't want to put you in that position.
That was a joke. I wouldn't expect you to
(02:14):
actually answer them, but you, you got in when?
What day did you get in? Monday.
Monday. Yeah, you.
You brought me in. Yeah, and you'll be here for
about a week. I've had a pretty busy week thus
far, man. We went to the we got pictures
done yesterday, newborn pictures, and you were wrangling
Rigel for a good deal that went to the aquarium, saw a bunch of
(02:38):
big fish. We picked up some golf balls
because you're an avid golfer. So we're going to teach Rigel
how to golf. You're going to teach Rigel
because I'm not going to be teaching.
Got him a new little club. Yeah.
When are we going to do that? When when we go home today.
OK nice, I need to mow before. Tomorrow.
Oh yeah, that's. Right.
I got to mow before we can probably even see the ball on
the grass. This is true because the grass
is getting a little high right now.
(02:59):
But that'll be good. I'm excited to see how he does
with that. Yeah, so, so you've been keto
now for about 5? Years.
About five years, yeah. I think we had done a podcast, I
don't think never done a podcastyet, but we did a video with you
I when you would come out to visit us the old building in
2020. Yeah.
(03:20):
And what was, what was the context for all that you had,
you had just recovered. You would, you would.
Let's just back way up. So you're in construction.
You've been doing construction your whole life.
You got all kinds of skill sets,make all kinds of really ornate
decorative stuff, incredibly skilled.
And then you decided to jump offa ladder one day, something like
that. Yeah, No.
(03:40):
Well, no, no, I didn't. It did not mean to.
It was. Yes.
I was just testing, gravity testing.
If it's a real thing, it's a real thing.
Let me tell you. Yeah, I know.
I fell about 18 feet off of the ladder and I fell on my feet, my
butt and my back and. And yeah, I missed.
I broke my feet and. You broke your your one foot in
(04:02):
like 8 different places. Yeah, like 7-7 different places
and then the other one, just oneand then the knees.
It just messed up. And then also I had a rotator
cuff tear and had surgeries and all that stuff.
Yeah. And you were pretty well
immobilized for a good little stint of that.
A good probably year at least because I had one surgery and
(04:23):
then another surgery and, you know, and so it was like which?
Is not great in your line of work being immobile?
No, not a good thing at all. Zero.
And that was one of the main triggers for you to like get
your diet cleaned up and just get healthy.
Cause at that point, what What were you at your heaviest?
I I believe, I can't remember exactly but I think it was like
(04:44):
2. 6260 I don't. Think I went over 260.
And then you started doing keto IN2020I.
Think I came to you guys and andCrystal and you, you know, got
me on the program. I, you know, started me, took me
to the store, showed me how to shop, show me how to count my,
you know. All the macros, yeah, food
(05:06):
choice, all that good stuff. And so I learned to count those
and, you know, and then look at the packages and look what I'm
looking for. And then also she gave me a
workout program and at that timeand, and I think I, I came here
for like 2 weeks, yeah, and got all that information.
She was like teaching how to work out.
Yeah, it was a lot. The, the all the workout stuff,
(05:28):
every bit of it, even your toes.No, no, it was a lot though.
And then all the micros and stuff.
I took home a lot of informationand so I, I used it and I think
I kept counting for about a year.
It was like, well, I know what Ieat and how much I eat.
I stopped, I stopped weighing. I stopped, you know, weighing
(05:49):
the food and counting because itwas like the same thing, same
things kind of over and over. So I just made sure I kept that,
kept that. And what is your weight now,
roughly? 180. 180. 18182 somewhere.
Weigh about the same thing rightnow, you and I OK, so from 260
to 180. I mean, that's damn near 100
(06:09):
lbs, not far from it. It's great.
Yeah. I mean, I've looked at you
several times this week and like, your face is way leaner.
Like you just, you look way healthier for sure.
Because when we first met, when I started courting your
daughter. Oh, gosh.
Yeah. You were.
That was kind of when you were on your heavier end, like that
was before all of them. Well.
(06:32):
There was a, There was a time that I got a personal trainer
and when I lived in San Francisco or close San Francisco
when I was working there before we had moved to to Oregon, but
we've moved to Oregon and we lived in that house.
That's when I first met you. It was really close to the
(06:52):
falling and at that point I was in pretty good shape just
because I went through that training and it was very
physical and then my job was very physical.
So I was doing, I think I was doing pretty good then, you
know, I was probably like 210 to15, but still felt pretty good
because I was being very physical at my work.
(07:14):
Nice. Yeah.
Doing a lot of framing and you know, different things.
And now you're pretty well straight up keto carnivore for
the most most part. Oh, yeah, yeah.
No. And you know, I won't go back
every, every once in a while I'll think, and this is pretty
close and it might be a fried food something and they fried it
in some, you know, junk oil or whatever.
(07:36):
And and then maybe there's some bread crumbs on it that I'm not
aware of. You know, I just order and I
think I'd probably be fine and I'll eat it and I don't feel
good then. So I know if I ate something
bad, it's I definitely know. You know what?
Where my draw the line? Have you noticed a change in
(07:57):
like your psoriasis cause ships got psoriasis too?
It's definitely less. Less, less psoriasis.
Yeah, it's definitely less. I mean, these used to be
priority beat up and it it kind of comes and goes I think also
with the weather. What about stress?
You know it's a correlation withstress.
I'm sure, but I usually don't get too stressed out.
I'm not a. Stressful person.
(08:19):
Anxious person. No, it doesn't.
No. I don't stress you out.
No, that's good. That's.
Good. That's good, very comfortable
with you. Good, good.
Yeah. And I'm Friday, man, it's been
cool to see you. It's like my mom's now keto
carnivore. She has been for I don't
remember how many years, but pretty good.
Wow, you're doing it. Julie's not so much doing
(08:42):
though, is she? No, her things are so
complicated with her allergies. She's got all kinds of
allergies. Allergies and, and so it's very,
very complicated and, and you know, she can't have like
cheese, you know, that's one of my major loves for the keto is
being able to have cheese with whatever meal I'm having.
(09:03):
And so there's a lot of things she can't have that, you know,
it kind of stinks for that. So, but she is doing a, more of
a more vegetables and things being healthy conscious, but
it's, it's nowhere close to, youknow, and maybe lower carbs, but
(09:23):
it's, it's just trying to be more conscious about health.
And, and she reads the packages and looks for what's in them.
And, and she's doing a lot of our like our gardening.
She uses a lot of natural stuff and our her own spices that she
dries out and. Yeah, yeah, Nice, nice.
Yeah, My dad's a holdout, too. He's not doing keto either.
So both Crystal and I have one parent that is one parent that
(09:44):
isn't there. You go best you can with what
you got. Yeah, call it a whim.
So let's say I feel like Crystal's not here right now.
We can just talk about her, you know?
OK, So give me some insight on that, man.
Like, I've obviously got my version of Crystal.
Yeah. What is your version of Crystal?
Like how? How would you describe raising
(10:05):
her as a daughter? She's my other boy.
She. Was your other boy?
Yep. Yeah, it's funny 'cause like
people don't have any context here, but you got Chad.
Chad your oldest then Heather than Crystal ring and Chad.
Chad and you are very similar. Chad honestly reminds me a lot
of my brother. Like very.
My brother's a welder, Chad's woodworker.
(10:26):
They just have very similar personalities and vibes.
And Heather, how would you describe Heather?
Definitely not a woodworker. Oh, yeah, She she uses tools.
Oh, yeah, all my kids use tools.They're they're like, if they
want something built, Joseph's not going to do it.
Really. Could he do it?
(10:48):
Yes, he could, but I don't thinkit's his thing.
Yeah, he's in the hunting. Yeah, he's like, I don't have
time for that, you know? And.
And so she has tools. I've I've given her tools.
She's buying tools. She has nail guns, she has saws.
She and she built things in her house, like mantels next to her
fireplace. And yeah, no, she's definitely.
(11:08):
Kudos to him. Yeah, she's definitely.
Do it yourself or. I like it, I like it.
But Crystal, I feel like she definitely has a lot in common
with Chad. Like they've got a similar.
Oh yes, it's we're, we're like the three amigos or.
Whatever. Yeah.
Yeah. So she's the other boy.
What was that say about me? No, no.
I mean, I mean, she's tough, resilient.
(11:35):
I can wrestle with her, play ball, you know, also the same
with Heather. It's just I think, yeah, our
personalities like Chad, Heather, Crystal, we're kind of
like, I don't know, the same, I don't know, on the same, well,
maybe same joking style or whatever it was or, or the
(11:56):
easygoing part, I don't know. But there's something that was
similar and yeah. And like Crystal was, she was 5
when she lost her birth mother, right?
And the others, how much? How much older Chad and Heather?
Heather was 8 and Chad was 10, so.
They'd kind of already established their own
(12:17):
personalities to some extent, more so than Crystal being that.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
When they had lost their birth mom, yeah, I thought that
probably helped shape Crystal insome form or fashion, for better
or worse as well. Made her resilient.
Yeah, I think the fact that she was that young, it probably was,
(12:38):
might be better for her. I mean, I, I don't know their
personal feelings, but I know Chad, he really played it out.
It really took a toll. I think, you know, whether, you
know, we want to admit it or not.
And then Heather was the caretaker.
She was gonna take care of everything.
(12:59):
And she's 8. You know, she's gonna.
It's OK, Dad. Rub my shoulder.
Yeah. And Crystal, she went in to take
her to kindergarten. First day at kindergarten, and
she's completely naked. Didn't want to wear clothes that
day. Didn't want to wear clothes.
(13:20):
Didn't want to wear clothes. And finally we got through that.
We got some clothes. And then the next day it was
socks. The socks, the the line was in
the, you know, on the end of thetoe, the stitching, you know,
And that bothered her. And I understood that because it
bothered me too. You know what Rigel is a
freaking fiend with his socks. Like I'll put his socks on
(13:42):
perfectly and they're not going to be right for him like.
You're welcome. Yeah.
That's. Because.
I don't give two shits about my socks like they could be mixed
matched inside out. Oh yeah, I know.
That might have to be. I have to put them on a certain
way. That line has to be in the
right. Place well that came genetically
from y'all like that is definitely.
(14:02):
I think Crystal's still like that, right?
Yeah, Crystal's worried about a few things.
So he's like, I should probably get mad at me if I say this
stuff. But like, she hates fidgeting.
Like, so if I'm like just sitting on the back porch and
like, rocking my toe to the beatof music or something, like it
makes her genuinely mad. Like she'll throw stuff at me
(14:23):
and I'm just like, I'm just trying to relax.
And thanks for the. Warning.
Wiggle my toes. Yeah, I guess I don't do that.
Yeah, don't do that. But yeah, she, she she's a good
one. She's a good one.
I mean, she's the only girl I'veever been with.
She's the only girlfriend I've ever had.
And. Lucky.
I know, I know. It's kind of interesting.
(14:44):
Like I, I don't even know which direction I want to take this
podcast because normally I'm talking about nutrition and
performance. And like, you and I could go
down some pretty, pretty deep rabbit holes, relationally
speaking, as to what makes people tick and what fashion
does the way we are. Yeah, probably no time for that.
That would be another session. Yeah, but Crystal is pretty
(15:07):
cool. I feel like her and I complement
each other well because we're very different.
Like how y'all parented her is very different than how my
parents parented me. And Crystal and I are like,
we're very different in so many ways.
I think core value wise, we're pretty much on par, but how we
think, how we natively react to situations is very different.
(15:28):
I mean, I'm here at the office working and she's a home body
and nurturer. Like she's just a quintessential
nurturing human being. And I feel like that difference
works really well with our family dynamic.
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I agree.
I mean, so to kind of back up the three kids, but then I got
(15:51):
two more kids after my first wife died, you know, and I got
married. And so then we ended up with
five and they're mine. They're the Kimberly and
Jessica. They're, they are mine 'cause
they took my name, you know, when, when they got old enough
and, and just the grandkids and the, it's just, it's part of my
(16:15):
family. It just became a glue that you
know, all together. But I think it, I think in a lot
of the families, you know, our, you know, you guys, Chad,
Heather and I, I think it, a lotof them are like that where one
(16:35):
person is more business maybe and the other one's more
nurturing business business, butmaybe has a little more of that
I think. And I think that's the same with
me and my wife, Julie. It's kind of like a old school
way to do things, right? But I think it's, it's, it's
(16:56):
worked so well for so many generations that we just gotten
too woke in society to like justify that being effective.
But I feel like if you got it working properly it's it's works
totally fine. And I think that when either one
can recognize the other one needs a little help, you know,
(17:18):
you know, if she if you're at, you know, 50% and she's doing
like 70% filling 70% and she says, hey, where you at here?
You know, then she can jump in and say, well, let me take
something from ya. And then the same with her, you
know, you get home and she's like everything's everywhere and
it's chaos. You're going, OK, well, baby,
(17:38):
let me take that. Let me, you know, I think that's
a key part of the relationship thing.
And and that's like with my wife, I'm more of a listener.
I'm really not a talker, but I'mmore of like, she has a lot of
words and, and he said, you know, get those out.
Those have to come out of her. And so I, I learned, I learned
(18:00):
to listen and that was the best thing instead of interact, when
I interact and try to give advice, she doesn't want the
advice. She just wants you to listen and
be there for, you know, so me, Itend to hold things in.
I tend to like, let's just let'sjust put that in a pocket
zipper, lock it and, you know, move on.
Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm more of a listener than a talker as
(18:24):
well. But like Crystal, Crystal is
very much so a listener. But then like if something
bothers her, she doesn't like want to talk about it.
I think this is honestly, I don't want to like over
generalize, but I think that is often times the case with women.
They, they like to think about things, ruminate on the things,
(18:46):
know exactly what they're thinking and why, and then how
to act accordingly. Whereas me personally, I'm just
more of like, if there's an issue, I want to solve the
problem as quickly as possible so that it's no longer a problem
and it no longer festers. Let's be done.
Yeah, let's be done with it. And then, like, once the
problem's been fixed, my slate is wiped clean and I hold no
grudges. Yeah.
We're all good. Yeah, and like Crystal's not
(19:08):
like that. Like she'll sit on something
that bothers her for years. Yes, Sir.
And that really bothers me like that.
And I try to like fix the situation.
And like you said, they don't want advice, they don't want you
to fix situation. But it's.
Almost like they don't want it to be done.
They want to still. Yeah.
(19:29):
They want the revenge or something on whatever the
situation was and they don't want to just like, OK, we're
done, you're good, we're good. They didn't like it, but we're
good. And then and then you are good,
you're done. But it's yeah, there is a thing
there. I don't know if it's women or
different people, but there definitely is a thing there were
(19:51):
people won't let it go. I mean, when when Crystal and I
before we got married, like the the pretty much the main thing
that we would ever fight about is that man, I was just a
workaholic, still AM. And I would just.
Work all the time. And she would have this idea of
how much time we need to spend together and what we wanted to
do together. And I would just be wanting to
(20:12):
get to a certain place before I would commit to anything.
So, yeah, we butt heads about how much I work, but that's
pretty much it was it's it's interesting, man.
Like when I first met her at that coffee shop in Spokane, I
knew pretty much right off the bat that she was like the best
(20:33):
quality person I could find to be a mother for my kids.
Like I know of all the people I've ever met in my life, she
would be like the quintessentialbest mother I could ever hope
for for my kids. And that just stuck with me from
day one. And then, you know, as we
started dating, like her idea ofperfection on Earth was just
(20:55):
always so simple and sweet. It was like she wanted a little
plot of land, some kids to raiseand some pigs.
She wanted some pigs. And I feel like she's had to
sacrifice so much in helping me build the business.
I mean, we lived on a freaking warehouse floor for three years
and I've just worked non-stop and I've like had her sacrifice
(21:16):
a bunch, but I feel like I'm finally to a point where she's
getting a lot of things that she's always wanted.
Like we have our land, we now have two kids.
Only thing we're missing is the pigs man and she'll be checking
all the boxes. Yeah, well The thing is, is it
doesn't come overnight and you know, wishing one hand and shit
another and. See which fills up first.
Exactly. Exactly.
So it's, you know, it's just part of, I think it's part of
(21:38):
life. And I think it's part of like
when you say relationships is learning to know that person,
who that person is. And then, OK, how can we make
this work for me and for you? And like with with your busy
schedule, it's like, OK, let's schedule a time that we're going
to hang out. You know, you can't, it can't be
everyday. You know, it's not going to not
going to work that way. If I'm going to build a business
(22:01):
and be a business person, I got to be there.
I got to be present, especially in the beginning.
You know it's like 24/7, right? And I think because I do what I
do, it allows her to do what shedoes.
And I think that's a very healthy operation we've got
going on now. Like she wants me home more, but
(22:22):
she also wants to be there to like, homeschool our kids and
like be present and like not have to send them to daycare.
And it's OK, I know how much youwant.
Then let me do this thing over here so that you can do that,
you know? And I think she understands
that. And it's a, it's a, it's a good
thing for us. Yep, it's a give and take,
right? So yeah.
That's been good. What else are we going to try
(22:43):
and fit in while you're here, man, We're going.
To go golfing? Yeah, I figured we'd hit balls
to your house. Yeah, we'll do that.
And if we want to go golfing, we'll take rides away with us.
You're the only person I've evergolfed.
I've actually, I take that back.I've golfed one other time, so
I've golfed 4 times in my life, three of which have been with
you. OK, yeah.
So I wanted to mention golf. OK.
(23:05):
So for all the listeners out there went out with Rod, right,
Robert? Yeah, to this fancy golf course
in Ban was abandoned. Bannon, Missouri, Yeah.
It was Missouri. It was like the, I don't know,
some Buffalo Ridge. Buffalo Ridge, Yeah.
(23:26):
You got the hat on. That's it, That's it.
Yeah. Anyway, it was bougie, was fancy
PGA Tour courses, just be beautiful.
And so I got the Robert Roberts,you know, he says, well, it's
kind of my first time on a on a golf course or, you know, and
I've seen him hit balls at his house.
We we hit balls out out in the field.
(23:49):
And I've seen him, I mean, he strikes him and you know, so
over the years that's what we do.
We just come to his house. We got some used clubs that were
in his arm. I just found him.
He. Had jumped balls out in the
field I don't know how many balls are out in that field, but
a bunch yeah, a bunch. So anyway, we, we, we go out
(24:10):
there and I'm I'm kind of like, OK, so we went out and hit some
balls in the range and and I waslooking this for him maybe.
Now, what have you been doing? You've been watching videos or
you've been, you know, who's been helping you?
What's going on 'cause he had really pretty good for him.
I'm not a professional golfer. I'm not even close.
(24:30):
I just know what it's supposed to look like.
Not that I look like that, but Iknow, you know, I watch the pros
all the time and I know what it's supposed to look like.
And he just got, you know, kind of scarred up his back and then
his swing was just very smooth and followed through.
I was just really impressed and it was.
(24:50):
It was very enjoyable to go out there, even know it was his
first time. It didn't feel like it.
It felt like we were very close in.
Well, I don't watch golf so I'veonly watched you so.
Oh my God. I looked like I knew what I was
doing. It's because I'm trying to
replicate you. So the hats off to you man, I'm
sorry. You could be a lot better.
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No, it was, it was. I mean, like I said, I'm not a
golfer by any means. It's not where I naturally
gravitate, but like driving around in a golf cart, being
that with you all day long, catching up conversation, being
outside, you know, trying to hitsome balls and not lose them,
like that's pretty freaking enjoyable.
That's what it is. That's it.
That it, that is what it is to me.
It's just fun. I don't get upset about it.
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I never who cares? I'm not making any money at it.
You know, I'm not going to win anything.
So I'm just out there to enjoy it and have fun to strike balls
and and see the best shot that you can get.
You know, it's just it's just a lot of fun.
I really enjoy it. I love being out there and it's
usually very beautiful. There's usually wildlife.
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I love popping it up on a green and it's like carpet, you know,
especially on those really nice golf courses.
It's just amazing how smooth they'll roll.
And it's just it's AI love it. I just had fun and I did.
I really had a lot of fun playing with deal.
I like to. Keep that was a cool experience
all together because they have they've got like this really
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like world renowned Native American History Museum right
there on the site. It's like the largest Arrowhead
collection in the world, I think.
And then they've got the BuffaloRidge PGA Tour quality golf
course. And then there's like this
steakhouse that's there on top of the Ridge and they were like
playing bagpipes as the sun was setting.
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And then we got these massive like cowboy rib eye steaks.
That was pretty cool. Or what was what was that?
Your birthday, right? It was your birthday, it.
Was for my birthday, yeah. Yeah, it was, it was, I think it
was in September, right. And so my birthday's in in
August, but my wife gave me thatfor my birthday and we scheduled
it and planned it and. Yeah, that was.
I mean, we should do that as an.And that was for my 60th
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birthday, yeah. Yeah, I'd be all for it because
we did. We did the family reunion on
your side in 2023. Yeah, we all went to it was in
Oregon, wasn't. It yes, it was bend.
Yeah, so there's a cabin that weair being beed and the whole
family was there for like a few days, which was awesome.
We went, we did a float trip on the river.
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I was in the middle of prep at that point, so I was eating at a
Tupperware the whole time. But like just interacting with
everybody. They had like a really cool game
room for the kids, you know? So because there's a bunch of
kids like Hazen makes 15 grandkids for you. 15 Yep,
that's A10 boys, 10 boys, 10 boys.
That's a lot of boys. 5 girls, yeah.
That's a lot of boys. A lot of boys, a lot of.
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A lot of test sauce. And they are all boys.
Yeah, let me tell you, They're like, yeah, like the Rigel right
now. Every seem like every one of
them went through that at 2:00 to 4:00.
I mean, just just Grace. Keep you on your toes.
Yeah, well, and then if their hands aren't down, they're up
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touching whatever's on the surface of something, the
cabinet door or what? Or it just like they're just
like got sticky stuff on them, touching and grabbing and and,
but all of them same way. Yeah, nothing.
Nothing new. But I had a really good time
that trip, man. I mean, I feel like like I was
talking about this to Chris the other day.
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It's like I actually genuinely like my in laws.
They they say in laws and outlaws, you know, like I I
genuinely appreciate every single one of y'all.
And it's like we should do like a dedicated reunion, like on an
annual basis or at least every other year.
Because if you don't make intentional effort to keep those
relationships and burning, especially with us all being all
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over the place and we are in thePacific Northwest, we're here in
Arkansas, it's like you got to put an effort to make those
connections happen. But all you got in life is
family, family and friends. And like, if any one of us were
to get ill, like the world stomps and you cater to that
person. But like when we're not I'll, no
one's dying. It's like spending time with one
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another is kind of like an afterthought.
It's like we got to just focus. On life goes on, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I know everyone's busy and everyone's doing their
thing, but it's like we shouldn't hang out more.
I agree. I, I agree.
I I would love it to be annually.
I love to like plan something, even it's for those that can
make it, you know, if you can't,you can't.
But at least if we get, you know, half of everybody together
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one year and then everybody together the next year or you
know, something like that. Yeah.
Yeah, that would be, that would be awesome.
Yeah. And we should play golf.
More and more of the kids and and the grandkids are starting
to play golf. Yeah, so let's do it We.
Should do it. I mean, the grandkids, you said
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the oldest is 16, so we got two weeks for Hazen and Israel's 16
years. So pretty good gap pretty.
Good gap. Yeah.
And they're all spread out throughout there.
Yeah, and you said you've got enough, I guess 15 members makes
a rugby team or something like that.
That's what my buddy Rainey toldme.
He said that he's in the rugby and stuff.
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He said that's what a rugby teamis 15.
It just started out with a basketball team and then it then
it went to like a football team and then it went to soccer team
or something. I don't even know how many are
in each one, but. You got a rugby team.
But that's what he told me. Now you got a rugby.
Team I like it I like it yeah yeah no we need to hang out
together I feel like I get alongto with everybody so why not
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let's. Make it happen, yeah, No.
And the older everybody's gotten, the better they get
along together. I mean, there were times, you
know, when everybody's having their babies and everybody's got
an opinion and you know, you're younger and you're just, you're
just learning stuff. But then when you get up to
that, like, I don't know, I've had a couple kids and now
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they're older and I don't care. You do what you want.
You do you, you know, it's it and it just becomes more relaxed
and everybody gets along and, and I, I love it right now.
It's just, it's beautiful. And a lot of the kids are like
old enough that they relate in different things and can do
different things on their own, you know?
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And so it's like you can watch or you can be involved, but then
also you have time for the little ones because it's only a
duffel, you know, there's only like, what, 433 or 4?
It's. Yeah, I think there's.
Yeah, just just a handful of thereally.
Young under, under four. Yeah, yeah.
No, it's cool, man. It's cool.
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It's cool for me because like, I'm the first, I'm the oldest on
my side of the family. Crystal's the youngest on your
side of the family. So her and I having kids.
Our kids are the youngest of allthe all the generation on the
love side. And yeah, Rigel and Hazel are
the only only on my side. Yeah.
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So I get to kind of experience both ends the spectrum.
Oh yeah, we have the babies on your side.
And then as my brother maybe someday eventually has kids, who
knows? And like my cousins start having
kids, it's like I'll be able to experience that.
So it's just, it's just a cool dynamic, man.
Those first. Ones are like gold.
Yeah. And the first one you like, make
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all these plans for the next ones.
And then when you have about 5, it's like, we can't afford this.
Yeah. We can't take everybody to
Disneyland or. I know or.
You know, wherever. Lots of lots of other pieces.
Yeah. So it becomes a little when the
first ones because it's like, you know, crazy fun excitement.
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When you get you down to the farm again, man, Yeah, you were
down there. I guess last time was when we
got married at the farm, right? I think we went out there
whenever I came down in 2020. We did.
Yeah, I remember right in the back of the truck and we're
bouncing all around. Oh yeah, maybe so maybe.
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But we need to do like a trip down there.
We get Chad, Joseph, all the guys that were.
It was then because we cut some of those.
Oh, the board rock trees for Chad.
That's right. What do you make out of those?
I'm. Not sure.
I got to give real quick props to Chad.
So Chad is Chris's brother. He cut his hand off.
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He was like 16 years old, I think 18.
I think 18 years old, working ona sawmill, cut his hand off.
That was his dominant hand. And now, like, he's, he's just
stayed in the woodworking business ever since.
But like, the stuff he can do with one hand blows my mind.
Yeah. And he does, he's got like, it's
like a paw. So he cut all of the fingers at
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at the, the bottom joint and thethumb at the bottom joint.
So he's got this little paw so he can actually grip things with
the paw. And that's how he does like.
Like he does everything. He works circles around people
that have both hands. Like he's hanging sheet rocks
framing stuff. He does like this.
Like he made us this really ornate wood cutting board.
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He's like inlays in it. It was all laminated multi
colored wood. Just beautiful.
He does it all with freaking onehand.
I'll be working with him and I will forget and we're just
working. You know, we're going, we're
going maybe hand to hand boards or he's cutting hand to me
boards and or whatever. We're just working, working and
everyone. So I'll go.
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How is wait? I got to see what how is he
putting that in there? You know, what is he doing that?
You know, every time it blows meaway and and it's been.
I mean, how do you hold a nail with a nub to hammer it with his
non dominant hand? Like I didn't.
I don't even know. Yeah, I don't even know.
And it's impressive. Yeah, it's impressive.
Super. Get a video of all.
That we should, we should, we should.
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Well I can sit here and talk with you all day long man, but
Crystal is wrangling both Rigel and Hazen right now.
Y'all got an appointment in favour?
What's the appointment for? Haircut appointment or
something? No, it wasn't haircut.
I don't know. Chiropractor maybe?
Who knows? Yeah, Chiropractor, that's.
What it was? Yep.
What do you want to have for dinner tonight, man?
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What are we going to? Cook up well, Crystal said.
Two options, the tacos and that that chicken crutches through
chicken. Maybe before you leave we can go
to the Brazilian Steakhouse, just please, that'd be fine with
you. Right that.
'D be awesome, OK. Because I'm doing another high
fat experiment the week after you leave so I'm not going to be
able to consume much protein. So just getting my protein for
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the weekend and one day with youwould be fine with me.
Every time I've been down here, it's been meat special frenzy
for me. It's just it's glorious and I
think that I've had the best ribeyes that I've ever had is on
your grill. All right, I don't feel as bad
at asking this question of all your son in law's who cooks the
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best steak. That's taken you way too long,
man. That was that was real easy.
I I don't I don't know if I had steak at any of the other ones.
Maybe maybe Chads, but usually like if I'm doing steak, I I do
it on his real because I just doit all the time.
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But no, I think I've only had steak off of yours.
I've had weird stuff from Joseph's house because he's an
avid hunter. He does a lot of bear like
you've eaten a lot. Of Bear in there.
Yeah. And it's always wonderful.
He makes weird stuff too. I don't know what you call it,
but he makes he makes his stuff together and, you know, makes
stuff. But yeah, no, you're, you're the
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master. You.
Are the master. I'll take it, I'll take it.
No, anything you do on that? That thing?
Oh, you made some beautiful lambtoo.
The lamb was tasty. Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, lamb was tasty. I like lamb.
A lot of people don't eat much lamb.
Like Crystal doesn't like lamb. Yeah.
Where did she get her picky eating this from?
Because that didn't come from you.
No, that was that was just Chad was the same way really.
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Yeah, hopeful that Ryan will take after.
Her and I don't know what the whole gristle type stuff.
Yeah, like texture. I have no idea because no if if
it was on when I was growing up,it was on a plate.
We ate everything on that plate.That's how I am.
You didn't get any more that that was what you don't want,
you know? So maybe if I starve for a
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little bit? I still don't think that I, I
don't know. I don't know where she gets
that. Her real mom, Elaine, she she
might have had a little more pickiness.
Yeah, yeah, definitely. There was a lot of Southern
cooking in that, you know, in her family.
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Yeah, well, grandma, definitely Southern cooking style.
Gosh, yeah. But like a lot of it wasn't
really like like the quintessential grandma cooking
of like overcooked food. And just, I remember one year I
went over there for Thanksgivingand I didn't even know they did
this. But like, she had this can that
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was like this big and there was a ham in it.
And I didn't know you could buy a ham and a can that big.
Oh. Really.
And she opened it up and, like, plopped it on the plate and it's
got, like, the indentions of thecan in it.
And I'm, I don't think I'll be eating Thanksgiving dinner here.
And then she got a bottle of Maple syrup and, like, covered
(38:38):
it on there and I'm like, I'm definitely not going to be
Thanksgiving dinner here. No, if you if you wanted
something carbine fatty, that was a place to.
Go. That was a place to go.
It was Southern cooking, gravy, okra, beans, you know, all the
the yummy, good Kirby, you name it.
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Yeah, very, very tasty. Whenever I was, you know, in
that, in that zone, you know, but then so was Donuts.
Yeah, we'll, we'll make amends. We'll go to Brazilian Steakhouse
before you leave. Yeah, buddy.
Sure. That'd be good.
Yeah, Clint, nothing but love for you, man.
I'm truly grateful to have the father-in-law that I do, and
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blessed to know you, man. You'd raised a hell of a
daughter and I'm grateful to have her in my life.
I'm proud of you doing a great job too.
Appreciate you man. We'll do this again and we'll go
deep. Yep.
OK. Go golfing after this.
All right? Sounds good.
See you man.
I'm the oldest on my side of thefamily.
Crystal's the youngest on your side of the family.
Our kids are the youngest of allthe all the generation on.
The older everybody's gotten, the better they get along
together. I mean, there were times, you
know, when everybody's having their babies and everybody's got
an opinion. And, you know, you're younger
and you're, you're just learningstuff about a couple kids and
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now they're older and I don't care.
You do what you want. You do you.
Yeah. It's it and it just becomes more
relaxed and everybody gets alongand, and I, I love it right now.
It's just, it's beautiful. All right, I don't feel as bad
at asking this question of all your son in law's who cooks the
best steak? You're the master.
Yeah, I'll take. You are the master.
I'll take it. I'll take it.
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All right. I am joined here today with my
father-in-law, Clint. Love in the flesh.
How are you, man? Good, good, great.
I want to just start off with a super tough question, very
controversial, very important. All right, you ready?
Who is your favorite son-in-law?Oh yeah, let's see, I know who's
(01:10):
not. It's not me, right?
OK, OK, good. But we're not gonna go there.
OK. No, let's see.
Soon. Oh man.
You might want to put that mic alittle closer to your mouth.
You really want to hear it? Just in general, you want to
have it pretty close to your mouth.
OK. Is that is that good?
That's good. OK.
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No, you, yeah, you can't ask. OK, I want to.
I'm like I think. It's like, I think it's like a
three-way tie because three-way tie, yeah.
All right, but I'm on the good end.
It's definitely good end. Yeah.
No, no, no, I it's like my kids,you know, I get asked, you know,
who's, who's your favorite kid? It's like, no, no, no, can't do
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that. No, because everybody has their
own personalities, you know, andeverybody's different.
So I like them in their space, you know?
So it's like I can't, yeah, can't do it.
Yeah, no, it's plus. I'll probably never see somebody
again. Yeah, it wouldn't be good.
I wouldn't want to put you in that position.
That was a joke. I wouldn't expect you to
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actually answer them, but you, you got in when?
What day did you get in? Monday.
Monday. Yeah, you.
You brought me in. Yeah, and you'll be here for
about a week. I've had a pretty busy week thus
far, man. We went to the we got pictures
done yesterday, newborn pictures, and you were wrangling
Rigel for a good deal that went to the aquarium, saw a bunch of
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big fish. We picked up some golf balls
because you're an avid golfer. So we're going to teach Rigel
how to golf. You're going to teach Rigel
because I'm not going to be teaching.
Got him a new little club. Yeah.
When are we going to do that? When when we go home today.
OK nice, I need to mow before. Tomorrow.
Oh yeah, that's. Right.
I got to mow before we can probably even see the ball on
the grass. This is true because the grass
is getting a little high right now.
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But that'll be good. I'm excited to see how he does
with that. Yeah, so, so you've been keto
now for about 5? Years.
About five years, yeah. I think we had done a podcast, I
don't think never done a podcastyet, but we did a video with you
I when you would come out to visit us the old building in
2020. Yeah.
(03:20):
And what was, what was the context for all that you had,
you had just recovered. You would, you would.
Let's just back way up. So you're in construction.
You've been doing construction your whole life.
You got all kinds of skill sets,make all kinds of really ornate
decorative stuff, incredibly skilled.
And then you decided to jump offa ladder one day, something like
that. Yeah, No.
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Well, no, no, I didn't. It did not mean to.
It was. Yes.
I was just testing, gravity testing.
If it's a real thing, it's a real thing.
Let me tell you. Yeah, I know.
I fell about 18 feet off of the ladder and I fell on my feet, my
butt and my back and. And yeah, I missed.
I broke my feet and. You broke your your one foot in
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like 8 different places. Yeah, like 7-7 different places
and then the other one, just oneand then the knees.
It just messed up. And then also I had a rotator
cuff tear and had surgeries and all that stuff.
Yeah. And you were pretty well
immobilized for a good little stint of that.
A good probably year at least because I had one surgery and
(04:23):
then another surgery and, you know, and so it was like which?
Is not great in your line of work being immobile?
No, not a good thing at all. Zero.
And that was one of the main triggers for you to like get
your diet cleaned up and just get healthy.
Cause at that point, what What were you at your heaviest?
I I believe, I can't remember exactly but I think it was like
(04:44):
2. 6260 I don't. Think I went over 260.
And then you started doing keto IN2020I.
Think I came to you guys and andCrystal and you, you know, got
me on the program. I, you know, started me, took me
to the store, showed me how to shop, show me how to count my,
you know. All the macros, yeah, food
(05:06):
choice, all that good stuff. And so I learned to count those
and, you know, and then look at the packages and look what I'm
looking for. And then also she gave me a
workout program and at that timeand, and I think I, I came here
for like 2 weeks, yeah, and got all that information.
She was like teaching how to work out.
Yeah, it was a lot. The, the all the workout stuff,
(05:28):
every bit of it, even your toes.No, no, it was a lot though.
And then all the micros and stuff.
I took home a lot of informationand so I, I used it and I think
I kept counting for about a year.
It was like, well, I know what Ieat and how much I eat.
I stopped, I stopped weighing. I stopped, you know, weighing
(05:49):
the food and counting because itwas like the same thing, same
things kind of over and over. So I just made sure I kept that,
kept that. And what is your weight now,
roughly? 180. 180. 18182 somewhere.
Weigh about the same thing rightnow, you and I OK, so from 260
to 180. I mean, that's damn near 100
(06:09):
lbs, not far from it. It's great.
Yeah. I mean, I've looked at you
several times this week and like, your face is way leaner.
Like you just, you look way healthier for sure.
Because when we first met, when I started courting your
daughter. Oh, gosh.
Yeah. You were.
That was kind of when you were on your heavier end, like that
was before all of them. Well.
(06:32):
There was a, There was a time that I got a personal trainer
and when I lived in San Francisco or close San Francisco
when I was working there before we had moved to to Oregon, but
we've moved to Oregon and we lived in that house.
That's when I first met you. It was really close to the
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falling and at that point I was in pretty good shape just
because I went through that training and it was very
physical and then my job was very physical.
So I was doing, I think I was doing pretty good then, you
know, I was probably like 210 to15, but still felt pretty good
because I was being very physical at my work.
(07:14):
Nice. Yeah.
Doing a lot of framing and you know, different things.
And now you're pretty well straight up keto carnivore for
the most most part. Oh, yeah, yeah.
No. And you know, I won't go back
every, every once in a while I'll think, and this is pretty
close and it might be a fried food something and they fried it
in some, you know, junk oil or whatever.
(07:36):
And and then maybe there's some bread crumbs on it that I'm not
aware of. You know, I just order and I
think I'd probably be fine and I'll eat it and I don't feel
good then. So I know if I ate something
bad, it's I definitely know. You know what?
Where my draw the line? Have you noticed a change in
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like your psoriasis cause ships got psoriasis too?
It's definitely less. Less, less psoriasis.
Yeah, it's definitely less. I mean, these used to be
priority beat up and it it kind of comes and goes I think also
with the weather. What about stress?
You know it's a correlation withstress.
I'm sure, but I usually don't get too stressed out.
I'm not a. Stressful person.
(08:19):
Anxious person. No, it doesn't.
No. I don't stress you out.
No, that's good. That's.
Good. That's good, very comfortable
with you. Good, good.
Yeah. And I'm Friday, man, it's been
cool to see you. It's like my mom's now keto
carnivore. She has been for I don't
remember how many years, but pretty good.
Wow, you're doing it. Julie's not so much doing
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though, is she? No, her things are so
complicated with her allergies. She's got all kinds of
allergies. Allergies and, and so it's very,
very complicated and, and you know, she can't have like
cheese, you know, that's one of my major loves for the keto is
being able to have cheese with whatever meal I'm having.
(09:03):
And so there's a lot of things she can't have that, you know,
it kind of stinks for that. So, but she is doing a, more of
a more vegetables and things being healthy conscious, but
it's, it's nowhere close to, youknow, and maybe lower carbs, but
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it's, it's just trying to be more conscious about health.
And, and she reads the packages and looks for what's in them.
And, and she's doing a lot of our like our gardening.
She uses a lot of natural stuff and our her own spices that she
dries out and. Yeah, yeah, Nice, nice.
Yeah, My dad's a holdout, too. He's not doing keto either.
So both Crystal and I have one parent that is one parent that
(09:44):
isn't there. You go best you can with what
you got. Yeah, call it a whim.
So let's say I feel like Crystal's not here right now.
We can just talk about her, you know?
OK, So give me some insight on that, man.
Like, I've obviously got my version of Crystal.
Yeah. What is your version of Crystal?
Like how? How would you describe raising
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her as a daughter? She's my other boy.
She. Was your other boy?
Yep. Yeah, it's funny 'cause like
people don't have any context here, but you got Chad.
Chad your oldest then Heather than Crystal ring and Chad.
Chad and you are very similar. Chad honestly reminds me a lot
of my brother. Like very.
My brother's a welder, Chad's woodworker.
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They just have very similar personalities and vibes.
And Heather, how would you describe Heather?
Definitely not a woodworker. Oh, yeah, She she uses tools.
Oh, yeah, all my kids use tools.They're they're like, if they
want something built, Joseph's not going to do it.
Really. Could he do it?
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Yes, he could, but I don't thinkit's his thing.
Yeah, he's in the hunting. Yeah, he's like, I don't have
time for that, you know? And.
And so she has tools. I've I've given her tools.
She's buying tools. She has nail guns, she has saws.
She and she built things in her house, like mantels next to her
fireplace. And yeah, no, she's definitely.
(11:08):
Kudos to him. Yeah, she's definitely.
Do it yourself or. I like it, I like it.
But Crystal, I feel like she definitely has a lot in common
with Chad. Like they've got a similar.
Oh yes, it's we're, we're like the three amigos or.
Whatever. Yeah.
Yeah. So she's the other boy.
What was that say about me? No, no.
I mean, I mean, she's tough, resilient.
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I can wrestle with her, play ball, you know, also the same
with Heather. It's just I think, yeah, our
personalities like Chad, Heather, Crystal, we're kind of
like, I don't know, the same, I don't know, on the same, well,
maybe same joking style or whatever it was or, or the
(11:56):
easygoing part, I don't know. But there's something that was
similar and yeah. And like Crystal was, she was 5
when she lost her birth mother, right?
And the others, how much? How much older Chad and Heather?
Heather was 8 and Chad was 10, so.
They'd kind of already established their own
(12:17):
personalities to some extent, more so than Crystal being that.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
When they had lost their birth mom, yeah, I thought that
probably helped shape Crystal insome form or fashion, for better
or worse as well. Made her resilient.
Yeah, I think the fact that she was that young, it probably was,
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might be better for her. I mean, I, I don't know their
personal feelings, but I know Chad, he really played it out.
It really took a toll. I think, you know, whether, you
know, we want to admit it or not.
And then Heather was the caretaker.
She was gonna take care of everything.
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And she's 8. You know, she's gonna.
It's OK, Dad. Rub my shoulder.
Yeah. And Crystal, she went in to take
her to kindergarten. First day at kindergarten, and
she's completely naked. Didn't want to wear clothes that
day. Didn't want to wear clothes.
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Didn't want to wear clothes. And finally we got through that.
We got some clothes. And then the next day it was
socks. The socks, the the line was in
the, you know, on the end of thetoe, the stitching, you know,
And that bothered her. And I understood that because it
bothered me too. You know what Rigel is a
freaking fiend with his socks. Like I'll put his socks on
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perfectly and they're not going to be right for him like.
You're welcome. Yeah.
That's. Because.
I don't give two shits about my socks like they could be mixed
matched inside out. Oh yeah, I know.
That might have to be. I have to put them on a certain
way. That line has to be in the
right. Place well that came genetically
from y'all like that is definitely.
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I think Crystal's still like that, right?
Yeah, Crystal's worried about a few things.
So he's like, I should probably get mad at me if I say this
stuff. But like, she hates fidgeting.
Like, so if I'm like just sitting on the back porch and
like, rocking my toe to the beatof music or something, like it
makes her genuinely mad. Like she'll throw stuff at me
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and I'm just like, I'm just trying to relax.
And thanks for the. Warning.
Wiggle my toes. Yeah, I guess I don't do that.
Yeah, don't do that. But yeah, she, she she's a good
one. She's a good one.
I mean, she's the only girl I'veever been with.
She's the only girlfriend I've ever had.
And. Lucky.
I know, I know. It's kind of interesting.
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Like I, I don't even know which direction I want to take this
podcast because normally I'm talking about nutrition and
performance. And like, you and I could go
down some pretty, pretty deep rabbit holes, relationally
speaking, as to what makes people tick and what fashion
does the way we are. Yeah, probably no time for that.
That would be another session. Yeah, but Crystal is pretty
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cool. I feel like her and I complement
each other well because we're very different.
Like how y'all parented her is very different than how my
parents parented me. And Crystal and I are like,
we're very different in so many ways.
I think core value wise, we're pretty much on par, but how we
think, how we natively react to situations is very different.
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I mean, I'm here at the office working and she's a home body
and nurturer. Like she's just a quintessential
nurturing human being. And I feel like that difference
works really well with our family dynamic.
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I agree.
I mean, so to kind of back up the three kids, but then I got
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two more kids after my first wife died, you know, and I got
married. And so then we ended up with
five and they're mine. They're the Kimberly and
Jessica. They're, they are mine 'cause
they took my name, you know, when, when they got old enough
and, and just the grandkids and the, it's just, it's part of my
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family. It just became a glue that you
know, all together. But I think it, I think in a lot
of the families, you know, our, you know, you guys, Chad,
Heather and I, I think it, a lotof them are like that where one
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person is more business maybe and the other one's more
nurturing business business, butmaybe has a little more of that
I think. And I think that's the same with
me and my wife, Julie. It's kind of like a old school
way to do things, right? But I think it's, it's, it's
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worked so well for so many generations that we just gotten
too woke in society to like justify that being effective.
But I feel like if you got it working properly it's it's works
totally fine. And I think that when either one
can recognize the other one needs a little help, you know,
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you know, if she if you're at, you know, 50% and she's doing
like 70% filling 70% and she says, hey, where you at here?
You know, then she can jump in and say, well, let me take
something from ya. And then the same with her, you
know, you get home and she's like everything's everywhere and
it's chaos. You're going, OK, well, baby,
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let me take that. Let me, you know, I think that's
a key part of the relationship thing.
And and that's like with my wife, I'm more of a listener.
I'm really not a talker, but I'mmore of like, she has a lot of
words and, and he said, you know, get those out.
Those have to come out of her. And so I, I learned, I learned
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to listen and that was the best thing instead of interact, when
I interact and try to give advice, she doesn't want the
advice. She just wants you to listen and
be there for, you know, so me, Itend to hold things in.
I tend to like, let's just let'sjust put that in a pocket
zipper, lock it and, you know, move on.
Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm more of a listener than a talker as
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well. But like Crystal, Crystal is
very much so a listener. But then like if something
bothers her, she doesn't like want to talk about it.
I think this is honestly, I don't want to like over
generalize, but I think that is often times the case with women.
They, they like to think about things, ruminate on the things,
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know exactly what they're thinking and why, and then how
to act accordingly. Whereas me personally, I'm just
more of like, if there's an issue, I want to solve the
problem as quickly as possible so that it's no longer a problem
and it no longer festers. Let's be done.
Yeah, let's be done with it. And then, like, once the
problem's been fixed, my slate is wiped clean and I hold no
grudges. Yeah.
We're all good. Yeah, and like Crystal's not
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like that. Like she'll sit on something
that bothers her for years. Yes, Sir.
And that really bothers me like that.
And I try to like fix the situation.
And like you said, they don't want advice, they don't want you
to fix situation. But it's.
Almost like they don't want it to be done.
They want to still. Yeah.
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They want the revenge or something on whatever the
situation was and they don't want to just like, OK, we're
done, you're good, we're good. They didn't like it, but we're
good. And then and then you are good,
you're done. But it's yeah, there is a thing
there. I don't know if it's women or
different people, but there definitely is a thing there were
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people won't let it go. I mean, when when Crystal and I
before we got married, like the the pretty much the main thing
that we would ever fight about is that man, I was just a
workaholic, still AM. And I would just.
Work all the time. And she would have this idea of
how much time we need to spend together and what we wanted to
do together. And I would just be wanting to
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get to a certain place before I would commit to anything.
So, yeah, we butt heads about how much I work, but that's
pretty much it was it's it's interesting, man.
Like when I first met her at that coffee shop in Spokane, I
knew pretty much right off the bat that she was like the best
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quality person I could find to be a mother for my kids.
Like I know of all the people I've ever met in my life, she
would be like the quintessentialbest mother I could ever hope
for for my kids. And that just stuck with me from
day one. And then, you know, as we
started dating, like her idea ofperfection on Earth was just
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always so simple and sweet. It was like she wanted a little
plot of land, some kids to raiseand some pigs.
She wanted some pigs. And I feel like she's had to
sacrifice so much in helping me build the business.
I mean, we lived on a freaking warehouse floor for three years
and I've just worked non-stop and I've like had her sacrifice
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a bunch, but I feel like I'm finally to a point where she's
getting a lot of things that she's always wanted.
Like we have our land, we now have two kids.
Only thing we're missing is the pigs man and she'll be checking
all the boxes. Yeah, well The thing is, is it
doesn't come overnight and you know, wishing one hand and shit
another and. See which fills up first.
Exactly. Exactly.
So it's, you know, it's just part of, I think it's part of
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life. And I think it's part of like
when you say relationships is learning to know that person,
who that person is. And then, OK, how can we make
this work for me and for you? And like with with your busy
schedule, it's like, OK, let's schedule a time that we're going
to hang out. You know, you can't, it can't be
everyday. You know, it's not going to not
going to work that way. If I'm going to build a business
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and be a business person, I got to be there.
I got to be present, especially in the beginning.
You know it's like 24/7, right? And I think because I do what I
do, it allows her to do what shedoes.
And I think that's a very healthy operation we've got
going on now. Like she wants me home more, but
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she also wants to be there to like, homeschool our kids and
like be present and like not have to send them to daycare.
And it's OK, I know how much youwant.
Then let me do this thing over here so that you can do that,
you know? And I think she understands
that. And it's a, it's a, it's a good
thing for us. Yep, it's a give and take,
right? So yeah.
That's been good. What else are we going to try
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and fit in while you're here, man, We're going.
To go golfing? Yeah, I figured we'd hit balls
to your house. Yeah, we'll do that.
And if we want to go golfing, we'll take rides away with us.
You're the only person I've evergolfed.
I've actually, I take that back.I've golfed one other time, so
I've golfed 4 times in my life, three of which have been with
you. OK, yeah.
So I wanted to mention golf. OK.
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So for all the listeners out there went out with Rod, right,
Robert? Yeah, to this fancy golf course
in Ban was abandoned. Bannon, Missouri, Yeah.
It was Missouri. It was like the, I don't know,
some Buffalo Ridge. Buffalo Ridge, Yeah.
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You got the hat on. That's it, That's it.
Yeah. Anyway, it was bougie, was fancy
PGA Tour courses, just be beautiful.
And so I got the Robert Roberts,you know, he says, well, it's
kind of my first time on a on a golf course or, you know, and
I've seen him hit balls at his house.
We we hit balls out out in the field.
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And I've seen him, I mean, he strikes him and you know, so
over the years that's what we do.
We just come to his house. We got some used clubs that were
in his arm. I just found him.
He. Had jumped balls out in the
field I don't know how many balls are out in that field, but
a bunch yeah, a bunch. So anyway, we, we, we go out
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there and I'm I'm kind of like, OK, so we went out and hit some
balls in the range and and I waslooking this for him maybe.
Now, what have you been doing? You've been watching videos or
you've been, you know, who's been helping you?
What's going on 'cause he had really pretty good for him.
I'm not a professional golfer. I'm not even close.
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I just know what it's supposed to look like.
Not that I look like that, but Iknow, you know, I watch the pros
all the time and I know what it's supposed to look like.
And he just got, you know, kind of scarred up his back and then
his swing was just very smooth and followed through.
I was just really impressed and it was.
(24:50):
It was very enjoyable to go out there, even know it was his
first time. It didn't feel like it.
It felt like we were very close in.
Well, I don't watch golf so I'veonly watched you so.
Oh my God. I looked like I knew what I was
doing. It's because I'm trying to
replicate you. So the hats off to you man, I'm
sorry. You could be a lot better.
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No, it was, it was. I mean, like I said, I'm not a
golfer by any means. It's not where I naturally
gravitate, but like driving around in a golf cart, being
that with you all day long, catching up conversation, being
outside, you know, trying to hitsome balls and not lose them,
like that's pretty freaking enjoyable.
That's what it is. That's it.
That it, that is what it is to me.
It's just fun. I don't get upset about it.
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I never who cares? I'm not making any money at it.
You know, I'm not going to win anything.
So I'm just out there to enjoy it and have fun to strike balls
and and see the best shot that you can get.
You know, it's just it's just a lot of fun.
I really enjoy it. I love being out there and it's
usually very beautiful. There's usually wildlife.
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I love popping it up on a green and it's like carpet, you know,
especially on those really nice golf courses.
It's just amazing how smooth they'll roll.
And it's just it's AI love it. I just had fun and I did.
I really had a lot of fun playing with deal.
I like to. Keep that was a cool experience
all together because they have they've got like this really
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like world renowned Native American History Museum right
there on the site. It's like the largest Arrowhead
collection in the world, I think.
And then they've got the BuffaloRidge PGA Tour quality golf
course. And then there's like this
steakhouse that's there on top of the Ridge and they were like
playing bagpipes as the sun was setting.
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And then we got these massive like cowboy rib eye steaks.
That was pretty cool. Or what was what was that?
Your birthday, right? It was your birthday, it.
Was for my birthday, yeah. Yeah, it was, it was, I think it
was in September, right. And so my birthday's in in
August, but my wife gave me thatfor my birthday and we scheduled
it and planned it and. Yeah, that was.
I mean, we should do that as an.And that was for my 60th
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birthday, yeah. Yeah, I'd be all for it because
we did. We did the family reunion on
your side in 2023. Yeah, we all went to it was in
Oregon, wasn't. It yes, it was bend.
Yeah, so there's a cabin that weair being beed and the whole
family was there for like a few days, which was awesome.
We went, we did a float trip on the river.
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I was in the middle of prep at that point, so I was eating at a
Tupperware the whole time. But like just interacting with
everybody. They had like a really cool game
room for the kids, you know? So because there's a bunch of
kids like Hazen makes 15 grandkids for you. 15 Yep,
that's A10 boys, 10 boys, 10 boys.
That's a lot of boys. 5 girls, yeah.
That's a lot of boys. A lot of boys, a lot of.
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A lot of test sauce. And they are all boys.
Yeah, let me tell you, They're like, yeah, like the Rigel right
now. Every seem like every one of
them went through that at 2:00 to 4:00.
I mean, just just Grace. Keep you on your toes.
Yeah, well, and then if their hands aren't down, they're up
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touching whatever's on the surface of something, the
cabinet door or what? Or it just like they're just
like got sticky stuff on them, touching and grabbing and and,
but all of them same way. Yeah, nothing.
Nothing new. But I had a really good time
that trip, man. I mean, I feel like like I was
talking about this to Chris the other day.
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It's like I actually genuinely like my in laws.
They they say in laws and outlaws, you know, like I I
genuinely appreciate every single one of y'all.
And it's like we should do like a dedicated reunion, like on an
annual basis or at least every other year.
Because if you don't make intentional effort to keep those
relationships and burning, especially with us all being all
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over the place and we are in thePacific Northwest, we're here in
Arkansas, it's like you got to put an effort to make those
connections happen. But all you got in life is
family, family and friends. And like, if any one of us were
to get ill, like the world stomps and you cater to that
person. But like when we're not I'll, no
one's dying. It's like spending time with one
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another is kind of like an afterthought.
It's like we got to just focus. On life goes on, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I know everyone's busy and everyone's doing their
thing, but it's like we shouldn't hang out more.
I agree. I, I agree.
I I would love it to be annually.
I love to like plan something, even it's for those that can
make it, you know, if you can't,you can't.
But at least if we get, you know, half of everybody together
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one year and then everybody together the next year or you
know, something like that. Yeah.
Yeah, that would be, that would be awesome.
Yeah. And we should play golf.
More and more of the kids and and the grandkids are starting
to play golf. Yeah, so let's do it We.
Should do it. I mean, the grandkids, you said
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the oldest is 16, so we got two weeks for Hazen and Israel's 16
years. So pretty good gap pretty.
Good gap. Yeah.
And they're all spread out throughout there.
Yeah, and you said you've got enough, I guess 15 members makes
a rugby team or something like that.
That's what my buddy Rainey toldme.
He said that he's in the rugby and stuff.
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He said that's what a rugby teamis 15.
It just started out with a basketball team and then it then
it went to like a football team and then it went to soccer team
or something. I don't even know how many are
in each one, but. You got a rugby team.
But that's what he told me. Now you got a rugby.
Team I like it I like it yeah yeah no we need to hang out
together I feel like I get alongto with everybody so why not
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let's. Make it happen, yeah, No.
And the older everybody's gotten, the better they get
along together. I mean, there were times, you
know, when everybody's having their babies and everybody's got
an opinion and you know, you're younger and you're just, you're
just learning stuff. But then when you get up to
that, like, I don't know, I've had a couple kids and now
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they're older and I don't care. You do what you want.
You do you, you know, it's it and it just becomes more relaxed
and everybody gets along and, and I, I love it right now.
It's just, it's beautiful. And a lot of the kids are like
old enough that they relate in different things and can do
different things on their own, you know?
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And so it's like you can watch or you can be involved, but then
also you have time for the little ones because it's only a
duffel, you know, there's only like, what, 433 or 4?
It's. Yeah, I think there's.
Yeah, just just a handful of thereally.
Young under, under four. Yeah, yeah.
No, it's cool, man. It's cool.
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It's cool for me because like, I'm the first, I'm the oldest on
my side of the family. Crystal's the youngest on your
side of the family. So her and I having kids.
Our kids are the youngest of allthe all the generation on the
love side. And yeah, Rigel and Hazel are
the only only on my side. Yeah.
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So I get to kind of experience both ends the spectrum.
Oh yeah, we have the babies on your side.
And then as my brother maybe someday eventually has kids, who
knows? And like my cousins start having
kids, it's like I'll be able to experience that.
So it's just, it's just a cool dynamic, man.
Those first. Ones are like gold.
Yeah. And the first one you like, make
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all these plans for the next ones.
And then when you have about 5, it's like, we can't afford this.
Yeah. We can't take everybody to
Disneyland or. I know or.
You know, wherever. Lots of lots of other pieces.
Yeah. So it becomes a little when the
first ones because it's like, you know, crazy fun excitement.
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When you get you down to the farm again, man, Yeah, you were
down there. I guess last time was when we
got married at the farm, right? I think we went out there
whenever I came down in 2020. We did.
Yeah, I remember right in the back of the truck and we're
bouncing all around. Oh yeah, maybe so maybe.
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But we need to do like a trip down there.
We get Chad, Joseph, all the guys that were.
It was then because we cut some of those.
Oh, the board rock trees for Chad.
That's right. What do you make out of those?
I'm. Not sure.
I got to give real quick props to Chad.
So Chad is Chris's brother. He cut his hand off.
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He was like 16 years old, I think 18.
I think 18 years old, working ona sawmill, cut his hand off.
That was his dominant hand. And now, like, he's, he's just
stayed in the woodworking business ever since.
But like, the stuff he can do with one hand blows my mind.
Yeah. And he does, he's got like, it's
like a paw. So he cut all of the fingers at
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at the, the bottom joint and thethumb at the bottom joint.
So he's got this little paw so he can actually grip things with
the paw. And that's how he does like.
Like he does everything. He works circles around people
that have both hands. Like he's hanging sheet rocks
framing stuff. He does like this.
Like he made us this really ornate wood cutting board.
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He's like inlays in it. It was all laminated multi
colored wood. Just beautiful.
He does it all with freaking onehand.
I'll be working with him and I will forget and we're just
working. You know, we're going, we're
going maybe hand to hand boards or he's cutting hand to me
boards and or whatever. We're just working, working and
everyone. So I'll go.
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How is wait? I got to see what how is he
putting that in there? You know, what is he doing that?
You know, every time it blows meaway and and it's been.
I mean, how do you hold a nail with a nub to hammer it with his
non dominant hand? Like I didn't.
I don't even know. Yeah, I don't even know.
And it's impressive. Yeah, it's impressive.
Super. Get a video of all.
That we should, we should, we should.
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Well I can sit here and talk with you all day long man, but
Crystal is wrangling both Rigel and Hazen right now.
Y'all got an appointment in favour?
What's the appointment for? Haircut appointment or
something? No, it wasn't haircut.
I don't know. Chiropractor maybe?
Who knows? Yeah, Chiropractor, that's.
What it was? Yep.
What do you want to have for dinner tonight, man?
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What are we going to? Cook up well, Crystal said.
Two options, the tacos and that that chicken crutches through
chicken. Maybe before you leave we can go
to the Brazilian Steakhouse, just please, that'd be fine with
you. Right that.
'D be awesome, OK. Because I'm doing another high
fat experiment the week after you leave so I'm not going to be
able to consume much protein. So just getting my protein for
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the weekend and one day with youwould be fine with me.
Every time I've been down here, it's been meat special frenzy
for me. It's just it's glorious and I
think that I've had the best ribeyes that I've ever had is on
your grill. All right, I don't feel as bad
at asking this question of all your son in law's who cooks the
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best steak. That's taken you way too long,
man. That was that was real easy.
I I don't I don't know if I had steak at any of the other ones.
Maybe maybe Chads, but usually like if I'm doing steak, I I do
it on his real because I just doit all the time.
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But no, I think I've only had steak off of yours.
I've had weird stuff from Joseph's house because he's an
avid hunter. He does a lot of bear like
you've eaten a lot. Of Bear in there.
Yeah. And it's always wonderful.
He makes weird stuff too. I don't know what you call it,
but he makes he makes his stuff together and, you know, makes
stuff. But yeah, no, you're, you're the
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master. You.
Are the master. I'll take it, I'll take it.
No, anything you do on that? That thing?
Oh, you made some beautiful lambtoo.
The lamb was tasty. Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, lamb was tasty. I like lamb.
A lot of people don't eat much lamb.
Like Crystal doesn't like lamb. Yeah.
Where did she get her picky eating this from?
Because that didn't come from you.
No, that was that was just Chad was the same way really.
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Yeah, hopeful that Ryan will take after.
Her and I don't know what the whole gristle type stuff.
Yeah, like texture. I have no idea because no if if
it was on when I was growing up,it was on a plate.
We ate everything on that plate.That's how I am.
You didn't get any more that that was what you don't want,
you know? So maybe if I starve for a
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little bit? I still don't think that I, I
don't know. I don't know where she gets
that. Her real mom, Elaine, she she
might have had a little more pickiness.
Yeah, yeah, definitely. There was a lot of Southern
cooking in that, you know, in her family.
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Yeah, well, grandma, definitely Southern cooking style.
Gosh, yeah. But like a lot of it wasn't
really like like the quintessential grandma cooking
of like overcooked food. And just, I remember one year I
went over there for Thanksgivingand I didn't even know they did
this. But like, she had this can that
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was like this big and there was a ham in it.
And I didn't know you could buy a ham and a can that big.
Oh. Really.
And she opened it up and, like, plopped it on the plate and it's
got, like, the indentions of thecan in it.
And I'm, I don't think I'll be eating Thanksgiving dinner here.
And then she got a bottle of Maple syrup and, like, covered
(38:38):
it on there and I'm like, I'm definitely not going to be
Thanksgiving dinner here. No, if you if you wanted
something carbine fatty, that was a place to.
Go. That was a place to go.
It was Southern cooking, gravy, okra, beans, you know, all the
the yummy, good Kirby, you name it.
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Yeah, very, very tasty. Whenever I was, you know, in
that, in that zone, you know, but then so was Donuts.
Yeah, we'll, we'll make amends. We'll go to Brazilian Steakhouse
before you leave. Yeah, buddy.
Sure. That'd be good.
Yeah, Clint, nothing but love for you, man.
I'm truly grateful to have the father-in-law that I do, and
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blessed to know you, man. You'd raised a hell of a
daughter and I'm grateful to have her in my life.
I'm proud of you doing a great job too.
Appreciate you man. We'll do this again and we'll go
deep. Yep.
OK. Go golfing after this.
All right? Sounds good.
See you man.
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