The Shocking Truth About Peptides, Fasting & the Future of Performance Enhancement

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Peptides fundamentally are what I call organic signaling
molecules or fractionated proteins of amino acids that are
found naturally occurring in thehuman body, and they
differentiate from allopathic normal meds and pills and stuff
like that. They kind of just Band-Aid
symptoms and then they break down in the human body and they

(00:20):
leave residue back. If you're one of the people, you
know, call them the 65 year old boomer, it takes 20 different
color-coded pills every single day.
You are doomed because you have all these side effects from the
breakdown of those pills in yourbody versus somebody who's using
peptides and they can, you know,systematically address the
inflammatory cascades from wherethe injury or the origin of the

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injury was and speed up healing like 6 to 10 times faster.
And we are live, Jay. What's up, brother?
Robert, how you doing my friend?I'm good, I'm good.
You you just recently on Mark Bell here, like last week or
something? Yeah, I mean, we, we filmed it
in the end of May, but the podcast broke I think a couple
weeks ago. But yeah, it was an awesome
podcast. Mark's a very close personal
friend of mine and now and we went super deep on a lot of

(01:05):
different things, which I felt, you know, was, it was, it was a
very clear message, but we were all over the place, you know,
and it's led to a lot of people reaching out to me, you know,
asking me about various things that we spoke about on the
podcast. So I was, you know, I'm very
blessed and, and, and humbled and grateful that I had the
opportunity to talk to him. Yeah, Mark's a cool dude, man.
Like I, I appreciate the fact that he's just open, receptive,

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willing to experiment and try things and then just, you know,
blatantly say what the impact was.
You know, I feel like we need more than.
I mean the fruit fast, you know,I think too many people are
caught up in the sugar fasting, but I've been, I've been doing
it. I'm not currently doing it
because I'm traveling so much, but I did it for about 3 months
this summer. And I can honestly say, you
know, as a guy who's written multiple best selling books on
fat loss and fasting, that it really is probably the most

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effective in a short term. Lose body fat in the fastest way
because you're elevating, you know, fiberglass growth growth
factor, FTF 21, which increases metabolic rate by 20%.
So it's a really good thing for people who are like long term
keto or carnivore people who have really retarded their
insulin metabolism because they don't eat enough carbohydrates,

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you know, specifically and strategically.
So it's like a really awesome diet to try out for a short
amount of time. But I think people hear the word
sugar fast and they freak out and, you know, they go into
like, you know, panic mode aboutlike, you cannot eat high levels
of sugar and think that it's healthy.
And it's like, no, dude, we're recommending that we eat high
levels of fruit, you know, for avery strategic short time

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window. To elaborate, FGF 21 and
phosphoproctokinase and, you know, increase your metabolic
rate. And it really does work.
I mean, again, I've done it for three months on and off and I
lowered my body fat, you know, pretty much.
I mean, I'm a guy that walks around under 10% year round
anyway. But you can easily manipulate
your body composition, you know,3 to 4% and for heavier people,
probably 1510 to 15%, you know, over a short amount of time if

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you do it right. It's just the problem, as you
know, bro, is that nutrition? Most people are ignorant about
nutrition in America, really everywhere.
And they don't even understand what the difference between a
carbohydrate, fat and a protein molecule is.
And so when you start asking people to, like, eat nothing but
fruit or candy or whatever bullshit they hear, you know,
they confuse it. And they're like, oh, I can eat
Snickers. And you're like, no, bro, you

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can't eat Snickers. You can eat a couple of gummy
bears every now and then in between eating fruit and
drinking fruit juice. But yeah.
Yeah, so. It's one of those things that
Mark went out on a limb and he blew it up.
And thankfully that, you know, he brought a lot of smart
people, including myself, into that spear.
And we, you know, tested it and played around with it and we
found that it works. But I just see far too many
people not understanding nutrition enough.

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So when most people come to me and say, do you think it'll work
for me, I just kind of say I don't know.
I don't know enough about you toknow if you don't understand
nutrition well enough to make itwork for you.
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting space, man.
Like nutrition. I mean, you can distill the
basic core elements of nutritiondown to like the simplest form
and the wisdom is pretty common sense stuff.
But then you could also like flesh things out in great detail

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and go down the rabbit holes. And like with the problem is
when you get the general population that's trying to hear
like these sound bites that the rabbit hole depths of things and
they're not implementing the basic foundational stuff.
Well, I'll give you a good tip and me and Mark talked about
this on a on a recent live stream.
My daughter is a senior in high school.
She's a, you know, going in senior started Monday and she
has a 14104. I think, you know, balanced 1450

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SAT score, which is 50 points away from perfect and she's 4.4
student, full scholarship anywhere, you know, all advanced
AP classes and stuff like that. But if I ask her what is the
difference between a protein, carbohydrate and a fat and give
me the energy density requirements of all three of
those, she's just looked at me like I'm huh.

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And when you and when you and when you understand that like
the average person in America does not understand nutrition
because they don't learn it in school.
I mean, dude, you know this. Doctors have one one O 1 level
class about nutrition in medicalschool.
So the average person in Americais functionally retarded when it

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comes to understanding human nutrition.
And I learned from my mentors when I was literally 22 years
old that the strongest drug thata human could ever possibly take
is food. So if you want to dumb down a
population, keep them ignorant of nutrition.
And that's what you got in the West.
Yeah, it's, it's pretty bleak outlook right now for sure.

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I mean, we keep getting sicker and the information's out there.
I mean, the information's in abundance right now.
But like people, I don't know man, they overcomplicate things.
They don't put in the work and the consistency.
And if at the end of the day, like if it's not sustainable and
consistent for you, then it doesn't matter.
Like you got to be able to adhere to it, dude.
AI exactly right, by the way. And AI is making things worse

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because what AI is is a mimic. And so all it does is amplify
the signal to noise ratio. And when the signal to noise
ratio is all noise, which most of it is, right?
I mean, people go on forums likeReddit.
I mean, they go on all these places that are supposed to be,
you know, repositories of great information and data, and
they're all just garbage in, garbage out.

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So, you know, ChatGPT and Grok and all these AI bots are
literally collectively scanning nothing but crap and then
regurgitating when people ask itquestions crap.
And so, you know, I mean, I, I see this all the time because
obviously people use my name fora lot of things, hormones,
peptides, fat loss, fasting, andthey'll send me clips of like

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this is what it says. And I'm like, my God, I never
said that. That's not even right.
Like, I mean, how could it be wrong if it's like if it has my
books, which are, you know, easily found online and free,
you know, from APDF version, like how is it getting it wrong?
Well, it's getting it wrong because people don't understand
the the terms, concepts and the data points and they're just

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collectively spinning it around.And so again, it's garbage in,
garbage out. So again, people are getting
Dumber because AI is actually giving them bad information.
So we're, we're totally startingoff with the philosophical
question here, but like you can't really put that genie back
in the box. So they're not going to close
the doors on AI. So like, what is the outcome

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going to be from this? So people will, is there going
to be like an implosion point orpeople just going to get sick
and die off And then it's going to be population decline and we
got to start from Ground Zero again.
I. Mean it's a great question.
I mean, I, I mean very truthfully my opinion and
obviously it's very informed. I don't use AI, for the record,
I do not use AI. Refuse AI is if we get into

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like, you know, and we're all over the place in this podcast,
which is amazing because you're asking good questions, but AI is
a hyper dimensional control construct.
It comes from outside of this realm of call it tack or
awareness or understanding. And so you're like, you know,
for people that have no idea what I just said, it's alien.
And if you start playing around with alien tech coming from a

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different realm of reality or, you know, again, a data set,
like you are asking for bad, badthings to happen.
And so if you what's happening, I think is too many people are
relying on AI to think critically to discern, you know,
I mean, dude, how many times do you see this?
Like whenever I go to conventions now with other, you

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know, quote, UN quote SM ES influencers, you know,
entrepreneurs, e-commerce ownersand stuff like that, we're all
around each other joking and we're like reading people's
texts or emails and we're like, how many people are responding
to you using AI? Like we joke about it amongst
ourselves, right? So it's like the average person
isn't even using their brain anymore to respond.

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So to your question, it's a haveand have not society and I do
think that the people that refuse to use their God-given
brain and intellect and their critical thinking and
discernment skills. Are going to have to just be
either beamed up into the cloud consciously, which is obviously
what a lot of the transhumanist people out there want, and

(09:02):
people that aren't like that, which I consider myself.
You know, we will be living in adifferent reality.
We will be living in maybe maybeoutside of major cities, Maybe
we will be living in what I callconscious communes or conscious
collectives. I mean, I don't.
Know, but I definitely know thatpeople that are constantly
relying on AI are going to eventually lose their faculties

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because you if the brain is likeanything else, it's a muscle,
right If you don't use it like how do you expect it to continue
to become strong and and and andwise and again discerning and
critical thinking it won't. It won't.
Yeah, common sense is becoming less calm.
Makes you want to just buy a plot of land off grid somewhere
and milk your own cow a lot. Of people are doing that bro.

(09:44):
Yeah, that sounds like the appealing lifestyle for me.
So let's dive into something else that is wildly
misunderstood, of which you are an expert.
And that's all things peptides get your interest right now.
And this is you. I'm talking to him, not some AI
rendition. If it is you go ahead and give
me the down low on peptides man.What?
Let's just start from the groundlevel here.

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What is a peptide? What are use case scenarios
where pros and cons? Like just give me the whole deep
dive on it. Yeah, for sure.
The Jay Campbell bot is actuallybeing constructed right now.
I think it's three or four months away.
I'm serious, I'm not joking. Like I literally have a company
that's building it for me. We're, we're, we're in
conversations and discussions oflike how it's going to look.

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But, and again, as I said, I refuse to use it myself, but if
somebody wants to build the J Campbell bot, fine, you know, be
used in my private communities to help people and stuff like
that. But so honestly, so peptides
fundamentally are what I call, you know, organic signaling
molecules or fractionated proteins of amino acids that are

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found naturally occurring in thehuman body, in, you know,
animals and plants. I mean, pretty much all of a
sentient life and they differentiate from say like, you
know, allopathic Rockefeller petroleum distillate medications
and that they are able to treat the fundamental root cause of
illness, disease dysregulation. Whereas as you know, you know,

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allopathic normal meds and pillsand stuff like that, they kind
of just Band-Aid symptoms and then they break down in the
human body and they leave residue back again, their
petroleum distillate for the most part.
And that petroleum distillate leaves a very harmful, you know,
toxic, you know, bio contaminants and stuff like
that, that, you know, breakdown and cause side effects and other
symptoms and harm over time. So it's like, you know, if

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you're one of the people, you know, call him the 65 year old
boomer who takes 20 different color-coded pills every single
day that you've gotten from yourdoctor, you are doomed because
you have all these different symptoms and side effects from
the breakdown of those pills in your body versus somebody who's
using peptides, who can, you know, you know, let's say simply

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if they sprain their elbow or their ankle or their shoulder or
something like that, they can use a healing peptide like BPC
157 combined with thymus and beta, you know, 500 or 400.
And they can, you know, systematically address the
inflammatory cascades from wherethe injury or the origin of the
injury was and speed up healing like 6 to 10 times faster then

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somebody who would just be, you know, taking the allopathic mat
of like, rice, you know, excuse me, ice, you know, elevation and
heat. And so you can, you know, just
dramatically increase the rate of healing.
And again, you're not causing symptoms or side effects to the
body because those peptides are obviously naturally found in the
body. In fact, BPC is found in gastric

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digestive juice. So it's like you're just using
something that your body alreadymakes naturally to enhance, you
know, the OR accelerate your healing from whatever again, the
injury you are. And then obviously you can
extrapolate that for the brain, for cognitive processes, for
muscles to, to enhance muscle muscularity or skeletal muscle.
And then you can do the same thing for fat loss.

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And on and on it goes. Longevity, you know, anti aging,
improving your eyesight, improving organ function.
I mean, there's so many different peptides that you can
use to do all these great things, so.
It does represent, I would say, what or what I like to say is a
fundamental change or alterationto the way most people in

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society understand peptides or understand just medicine and
healing. And that with peptides and
bioregulators specifically, you can literally fundamentally
treat the root cause of whateverit is that ails you.
You can get pretty localized. With it right, like you can get,
you can get pretty targeted and localized with it.
Like it's not going to be dispersed by the entire body if
you sprain your ankle, it's relatively localized to that

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inflamed area. 100% So you've got like to to go deeper on
that, like you've got a number of different delivery systems,
but for sure always the highest impact is going to be what we
call subcutaneous or I am intramuscular injection.
And again, with the peptide, because they're aqueous based,
they're just water based, you know, molecules.

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You can inject it with a 32 gauge insulin needle, which is
literally a needle that, you know, you could jab yourself in
the cheek and not really feel it.
You know, again, a lot of peoplehave a phobia to needles until
they actually start injecting peptides because they're like,
Oh my God, a needle. You know, it's just, it's one of
those things where most people instinctually are afraid.
But like I say, like once you get used to injecting a, you

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know, a, a hypodermic insulin syringe needle, which again, is
tiny, it's microscopic, you know, it's like brushing your
teeth. You know, you just become used
to it, you do it. You can do, you know, two or
three different injections a dayor, you know, 5 or 6 injections,
8 injections a week or whatever,it becomes second nature to you.
So it's not a big deal beyond, you know, the highest impact,

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which is obviously injectable. You also have transdermal, which
is obviously you know a, a creamor a, a serum.
And then you also have intranasal, depending on the
size of the peptide or the what is called the Micron size of the
molecule, some can be used or absorbed intranasally.
And then of course, nowadays like my company Bio Longevity
Labs, we also have what are called bio strips.

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And the strips represent a very fundamentally new delivery
system which are actually Electro spun wafers.
And these Electro spun wafers, you put them on your tongue and
they instantly go to the roof ofthe mouth and they absorb what
are through what is called the mucosal lining of the cheek and
the gums. So in the past there were oral

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products made that had to go through the digestive tract
first, pass through the intestine.
You'd have to deal with stomach acid and all the other things
that are going on in the in the digestive tract.
Whereas now with these wafers, they absorb down through here.
So you get them into systemic bloodstream or, or systemic
circulation. Portal circulation is what it's
known, you know, probably about 65, somewhere between 65 and 75%

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as effective as an injection. So that's also a very awesome
new form of delivery for people that are afraid of needles.
There's again, a huge percentageof people that will never inject
themselves. They're scared shitless in
needles. Doesn't matter what people like
I tell them, doesn't matter if Ijab them one time with it and
say, did you feel that? They're like, no, they're still
afraid of needles. It's just this phobia and this

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hang up. And so this new strips are
obviously a, a, a boon to delivery systems for people who
are afraid of needles. And honestly, Robert, they'll be
even better enhanced absorbable,you know, oral and, and wafer
technologies and even transdermal technologies that
are coming down the pipeline. And I would say within two
years, we won't, nobody will be injecting anymore.

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There'll be better delivery systems or more efficacious or
equal to injectables. I mean, there's already people
out there that are delivering ornot delivering, but they're
working on technology where it'sgoing to be like a Velcro stick.
And so you'll just like put it on your arm and it will deliver
it without any pain. It's it's still going to be
going through the top level of the dermis.
So again, delivery system technology is like being

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dramatically and and massively enhanced right now.
So like I said, I would think within 18 to 24 months
injections will be a thing in the past.
Does that hold true regardless of the type of peptide in the
use case scenario? Or is it just, I mean like
there's certain peptides that require the injections or can
they all be, you know, dosed viathe patches or the creams or the

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the strip? I mean, it's definitely going to
be based on like the origin of your injury.
So if you like, again, if you sprain your ankle or you sprain
your shoulder or you do something to your knee or
something like that, obviously delivering the peptide locally
at the at the point of origin or, or the closest to the impact
of the origin of the injury is going to be best.

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But I still think that they'll be technologies that will
deliver it equal to an injections.
I mean, for sure, you'll always be able to use the subcutaneous,
you know, insulin syringe to inject it into that localized
area and it will be effective. But there will be technologies
that will compete with that, if not, you know, eliminate the
need for people to have any kindof invasive technological
procedure, like with a needle. Nice, nice.

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Is there or not either? There's a ton of it, but like
the red tape around peptide, especially from like the medical
industry. I've dove into that briefly with
prior guests, but like what is the future hold for that?
I mean, is the medical establishment kind of getting on
board or do they just see this as a massive opportunity lost,
like what's happening there? Yeah.
I mean, it's a great question. So the best answer, the easiest

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answer is if they can patent it and make a lot of money, they're
bored, they're on board, right? And that's kind of the way it
looks like right now. If you look at the peptide
industry specifically, you know,I talk a lot about this.
You've got like almost 95% of people have heard of GOP
peptides, right? They've heard of their their
brothers, sisters, aunts, cousintaking Wagovy or Manjaro or

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Zepbound or one of those peptides to suppress appetite,
enhance metabolic rate, you know, lose body fat, lose
weight, etcetera. But most of the information out
there on that is very negative because the average person who
uses a GOP peptide has no earthly idea how to do it.
Their doctors don't give them proper instructions.
And as I like to say, the unfortunate part of pharma is

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that pharma's model is start high and it's from a dosage
standpoint and then go higher, right?
Because that's how everybody makes more money.
That's how they, you know, increase the, or titrate the
dosage patterning for the patients.
But when you do that, Robert, eventually you, you know what,
as I always say, what goes up must come down.
So as you're continually to elevating these people's
dosages, they're paying more money, they're shutting down

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their receptor sensitivity faster because they're taking
elevated dosages, which they never needed to do from the
beginning. Because if you do this right,
it's about micro dosing, it's about starting low and going
slow. It's about assessing your
individual unique biochemical individuality, intolerance to
the peptide. But of course pharma doesn't
want any of that because pharma just wants to make money and
move on to the next person. And so you've got so many people

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that have tried GOP peptides andhave made had a horrible
experience or again, just call it a failed colossal endeavour.
And then they go into the media and then all the big name, you
know, celebrity doctors climb onto this and they say, oh, these
are horrible for you. They cause muscle loss, thyroid
damage, etcetera, etcetera. But to your original question,
as long as they can patent it, pharma will sell it.

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There's a lot of peptides obviously that are out there
that are sold in the research community from like my company
Bio Longevity Labs, which are not illegal to sell because the
FDA has no purview legally or biomedically in the research
community. So if you're a person, me, you,
you know, any person who basically says, hey, I want to

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buy this peptide and I want to research on myself or my
laboratory animal or my cat, my dog, because a lot of people do
give peptides to their animals or domesticating animals.
You legally have a right to do so, but you're basically
claiming that you're using it for research purposes.
So that's kind of how it goes. Now in the medical space, like
with compound pharmacies, a doctor can write a script for a

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peptide off label at any time they want.
But for the people watching thispodcast to understand the
differentiation is that if you buy a research peptide, you're
probably going to pay 7 to one, 7th to 110th, the cost of what
you're going to get if you get it from a compound pharmacy and
a doctor's script. So again, it really the
separation is like, do you want to be one of those people that

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wants to learn how to do this? Because when you buy it for
research purposes, you have to learn to reconstitute, You have
to understand the dosage patterning between milligrams
and micrograms. It's not hard, but you know,
some people, they want to have their hands held, they want
their doctor to do everything for them.
And so they get it from the compounded route and they pay 10
times as much. But if they if they get it and
if they pay 10 times as much andthey get it from the compound

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pharmacy, it's probably going tocome already ready to, you know,
be used, which is normally a reconstituted vial of peptides
and syringes. And they tell you where to pull
on the syringe, you know, when you inject it and you just do it
and it's pretty much dummy proofversus research.
You got to actually, you know, put the bacterial static water
into the peptide vial. And then you got to understand,

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you know, how to do the calculation as far as like what
is my dosage, you know, milligram microgram.
People like me make it easy because we create, you know,
peptide calculators which are easily found online.
We also create, you know, PDF documents called Cheat Sheets
and stuff like that where we getpeople like dosage guides.
You know, if this is your situation, you can apply it like
that. So if you know, if there's been

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a lot of information provided, Iwould say to the peptide
research peptide using communityin the last two or three years,
But it still is the onus is on the individual to really do the
work and, you know, learn and familiarize themselves with what
to do. And so that's kind of where we
are in peptide world right now. It's like you either choose your
doctor, pay a lot more money andhave it, you know, really a
cookie cutter and dumbed down for you, or you go out, you

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know, on your own and you reallylearn about these things and you
learn how to use them from a research capacity on your own.
And correct me if I'm wrong, buta lot of these compounding
pharmacies are kind of like, youknow, not really all that well
put together to begin with. So you're not getting a
consistent dosage often times, and you're just kind of shooting
in the dark. A. 100% it's dude, it's a wild,
Wild West. You know, like if I would tell

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you what my attorney or our regulatory attorney that advises
our company says when he talks about peptides, he says peptides
are clear as mud and buyer beware.
And so you really, really have to understand that.
Like if you're getting that froma compound pharmacy, make sure
you do your due diligence. Make sure your doctor knows

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what's going on. And if you buy them from a
research company, make sure you're buying them from an
accredited company that does certificates of authenticity on
all of their products, you know,has lab essays, you know,
visibly marked on the website, you know, showing lot numbers
and batch numbers. So you can trace, you know,
where the peptide was manufactured, how it was rated,
You know, did it come back 99.9%statistically pure?

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Was it 98.6%, you know, purity. So all these things like are
part of this, you know, process and chain of command when you're
in the peptide space. And so that's why it really does
come down to buyer beware. How are these peptides made at
scale? Like what does the actual
production process entail? Yeah, so it's a great question.
They're, they're really so between compound and research,

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the best companies are doing thesame shit because most of the
raw materials for the, for this,at least at this moment right
now, like say August of 2025, the raw materials come from
either China or India, 95% are coming from China, 5% India.
And then they're sent to countries like the USA or
Canada. And then a lot of them are

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finished. And what I mean by finished,
they're put in, placed into vials, you know, lie awfulized
and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you know, put into, you
know, fancy equipment and machinery and stuff like that.
So then, then they make it into vials and they're labeled and
all that stuff and then sold to the end user.
But by, I would say at the latest February or March of next

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year, all of the major companies, including ours will
be doing everything from soup tonuts inside the United States.
So we'll be liophilizing, we'll be synthesizing, we'll be
manufacturing, you know, these will be in like GMP, you know,
good manufacturing practice, sterility processing controlled
all the certificates of authenticity, FDA registered,
FDA certified, not FDA approved,but FDA registered and FDA

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certified. And by the way, just so people
understand, FDA approved is likejust fame paying a bribe to the
FBA to say that you're FDA approved.
I mean, realistically, it's a giant pay for play scam.
And, and, and, and by the way, that's the same way that all
drugs are, right? Like if you go through stage 1,
stage 2 and stage 3 in the United States to get FDA

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approval, you're basically just playing their pay to play game.
Like you got to pay enough moneyfor research and development,
you know, to get approved by theFDA.
But like, there's so many different levels.
There's FDA registered, there's FDA cleared, you know, and then
there's GMP, which is a good, good manufacturing process.
Like all of these things give you like a leg up from a

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manufacturing standpoint, from acredibility angle.
But FDA approved is like that final step where you've paid all
the bribes to the big governing body, which is again, the FDA to
say that you're FDA approved. But there's tons of great
research chemical companies out there and research manufacturers
that aren't FDA approved that put out the exact same spec and

(26:19):
the exact same quality that an FDA approved facility puts out.
It's just they don't have that, you know, quote, UN quote, piece
of paper that says they paid thebig chief bribe.
Yeah, it's kind of like buying your cattle from a local
rancher. It's all organic, but it didn't
pay to have the FD or the USDA organic sticker that's.
Exactly how it is. In fact, what I tell people is
that peptides in the research space are the decentralized form

(26:41):
of peptides in the medical space.
Because again, you're getting the same quality and you're,
again, buyer beware of assuming you're working with a company
and a manufacturer that can prove all that, but you're just
not paying that insane markup that the FDA slash federal
government slash AMA slash, you know, some alphabet governing
body makes you pay because. They give the final stamp of

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approval. What's happening over the next
year that's going to allow for all the manufacturing take place
in the US, where it's predominantly coming from?
China, just a race. I mean, it's great.
Nobody's ever asked me that question.
Great question. Well, there's a lot of factors,
but it's honestly just a race toavoid the Trump tariffs because
what's happening right now with China is, is that anything from

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a raw material standpoint that has previously come from China
is now almost impossible to get into America in a, you know,
call it, you know, regular timeline.
Like, you know, like I talked tosome of my friends in the
manufacturing process in the world and you know, I talked to
a guy literally today, yesterdayand today and he's like, dude,
shit that used to take 24 hours is taking 3.

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Weeks. So if you compound that and you
know, extrapolate that kind of data from all these different
widgets that come into the United States from, you know,
again, why do they make them in China?
Because it's cheaper to manufacture, it's cheaper
labour, blah, blah, blah. Why does China look, I mean,
look at Apple, right? Like Apple just took a huge fine
because Trump told, you know, the guy, what's his name?

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What's, what's the guy that runsApple now, Tim, whatever his
name is, he says if you don't start manufacturing them in
Indiana or wherever it is that they, Apple's got this giant
warehouse. Now you're going to get, I'm
going to find you 4 or $6 billion a year, right?
So, I mean, if you look at all these major companies, they've
always been outsourcing either to China or India because it's
again, it's cheaper, cheaper to make it and cheaper to build it,

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you know, with those things there.
So that's what's happening in the United States now is that
all these people are scrambling to have the technology, the
lyophilization machines, you know, the other stuff that they
need, which is kind of high end tech in order to synthesize the
raw materials that have always been traditionally synthesized
outside of Hong Kong. There's like I want to say 35 to

(28:52):
45 peptide spec synthesizing, you know, manufacturing labs
right outside of Hong Kong. And so that's where all the
peptides have just been traditionally manufactured from
raw material standpoint. But now, again, due to the Trump
tariff, due to the craze and peptide manufacturing, it's just
a lot of people want to do it inthe United States.

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Out of curiosity, what do you think motivated China to
prioritize this so early on relative to other countries?
I mean, in truth, it's just because they're, they're
advanced and over everyone in math and science and they, you
know, they looked at, you know, manufacturing, you know, whether
it was peptides or textiles or, you know, any kind of medical
grade raw material, they always just took a huge ownership and a

(29:35):
liking to it. And it's been, you know, that
way since like the, you know, the mid to late 80s.
And so they just built the infrastructure and, you know,
over time, you know, people adapted to the cost of doing
goods over there from a standpoint of it was just much
cheaper. And so everything is just
related to China. But now Trump comes in and says,
hey, we're not going to do this anymore.
You know, we want to build this stuff in the United States.
We want to have, you know, United States know how and

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wherewithal to do a lot of this stuff.
And so a lot of people are just saying now I'm, you know, rather
than wait 5 to 10 times longer to get it out of China.
And by the way, there's no reliability that you can get it
anymore too, right? Like it can get stuck on a
container in customs and you never see it, you know?
And I hear that. Story all the time now from
people too. So I think most people that are
big time in their manufacturing processes and revenue streams

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and stuff like that have just said, hey, we got to, we don't
have an option. We have to nationalize this.
We have to move our production into, into facilities in the
United States. Otherwise we're going to get,
we're going to pay massive amounts of money and fines.
And we're going to be out of our, you know, our supply and
our inventory supply chains are going to be, you know,
backlogged because we can't get stuff readily into the Trump
tariffs. And I initially people were

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saying that these were going to be really good for America.
And maybe they will be honestly,Robert in time, but in the short
term, this is a disaster. Like it's actually costing a lot
of money to the United States economy.
The Trump. I'm I'm a business probusiness
person, you know, I'm not. I would consider myself an
anarchist. I think that both political
parties just should be blown up.I think they're both are kind of

(31:03):
like two sides of the same coin in a lot of ways.
But I don't think that anything that Trump is doing right now
from a, from a tariff standpointis beneficial to the global
economy. I know they're doctoring.
I mean, just like the Democrats with Biden doctored the books,
the Trump administration is doctoring the books right now.
But I'm in the manufacturing process.
I work in it every single day, day in and day out and I'm

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seeing people get killed. Get.
Absolutely killed. Now, will this change and
improve next year and the year after and maybe the year after
that? Probably.
You know, I think theoretically this is the purpose of the
tariffs. But in the short term, dude,
this is bad. And I think that there will be
some sort of a major financial catastrophe at least in fourth

(31:48):
quarter probably this year before there's a another uptick.
And as you know, dude, everything is economic cycles is
up and down, right? You have cycles.
And so I just think that like there hasn't been a down, a
really serious down cycle in a long time.
And I think there has to be somesort of a culling, I think, at
some point because I just know so many people that are being

(32:09):
bludgeoned right now, you know, in the global manufacturing
process, I just, they're gettingkilled.
Yeah. I mean, I do a lot of
manufacturing with, you know, the the food parks that we make
and like I'm not opposed to tariffs outright, but like
there's some things like cacao butter.
So that's one of our primary ingredients.
It doesn't grow in America. We're kind of up a Creek with no
paddle in that scenario, you know?

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And there's tons of other products like that, right?
So there's nothing we can do. So it's like, you know, Trump,
you know, theoretically is doinggood things in the way he
explains it, but it's not in theshort term for the global
economy because the way, like you said, exactly the way
systems have been built over decades.
Yeah, totally. So switching gears slightly
here, when we're talking about peptides in regards to

(32:52):
performance enhancements from anathletic standpoint, you know
what, what does that look like going forward?
I mean, like me personally, I'm a natural bodybuilder and
they've got like this crazy exhaustive banned substances and
they pretty much have a 0 tolerance policy for everything.
So like, do you think they're going to be receptive to some
peptides like the, the 157 for, you know, recovery and injury

(33:13):
prevention? Or is it just going to be like
a, you know, ban on everything? I don't know, dude, but I'll
just tell you this, bro, if you're not cheating, you're not
trying. And I will tell you this 100%.
I mean, First off, there's no such thing as natural
bodybuilding. I mean, that's a scam.
I mean, I competed for a long time as a natural bodybuilder
and I have seen guys like in the, you know, the NPC side

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because I was in a lot of that. I mean, I'm out of it.
I haven't done any of this in over 12 years now.
But I mean, I'm obsessed, stay in shape and stuff like that.
And I'm conditioned, but like I know the whole space.
But I mean, I've seen guys in the natural bodybuilding that
were more enhanced than guys that weren't right.
So it's like it just depends on how you understand the system
and know what you're doing and what you're saying.
But to your question, because it's a great question and I have

(33:57):
said this only one other podcast, like we are within one
year of creating men and women who are literally genetic
mutants. Like there are drugs in the
pipeline, you know, GLP fours and GLP 5 agonist that will
without a doubt have people get on stage at, you know, let's say

(34:18):
a pro bodybuilders will be £350 at 5% body fat.
So it's like if you look at likethe best bodybuilders in the
world and you know, the last 25 years, you got the Ronnie
Coleman's and Jay Cullers, you know, the Paul Dillard's.
You know what? What was the name?
Phil Heath? These guys at their biggest and
leanest were 265 to 275. Pounds.

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So you will see guys that will be 75 to 80 lbs heavier and
leaner. And again, that's just due to
the drugs and, and, and it'll beeasier to get on stage, you
know, leaner than it ever was, you know, in the past, as you,
as you know, as a competitor, you have to be comfortable with
being uncomfortable. That's a thing of the past You,

(35:03):
you can use the drugs. Now these stage 4, there's a
stage 4 GLP coming called bioglutide that will
dramatically accelerate metabolic rate and prevent
muscle loss. It has a myostatin inhibiting
factor to it. So if you take a genetically,
you know, elevated, just call ita genetic mutant guy, maybe a

(35:24):
Latin American or a black person, you know, African
American person, and you give them these drugs, they will shed
body fat and build muscle like the fucking the, the bowls they
used to show the myostatin inhibiting bowls.
You, you know, so you'll see these people and you'll be like,
what in the fuck is that? They look like an X-Men.
So like that's how close we are.You know, there's other drugs

(35:46):
and again, my company's going tobe representing these.
There's a foleystatin. It's basically called a
recombinant follostatin. And then there's a recombinant
cloth though. And when you look into these
meds or these drugs, I mean you're basically talking about
like taking the most powerful life enhancing or longevity
enhancing drugs like Klotho, combining it with recombinant

(36:08):
falostatin. And you can probably put 2 lbs
of skeletal muscle on a person aweek and accelerate their
medical metabolic rate by 40%. So imagine taking a 29 year old
genetic freak, bodybuilder, man or woman and giving them, you
know, 5 micrograms of clot though every two weeks and 1.5,

(36:28):
you know, grams or 1.5, I'm sorry, milligrams of recombinant
Falstaden every other week. And dude, they'll put on 20 lbs
of muscle and lose 5 lbs of fat.And again, and these are in
genetic freaks. So I mean, this is all in the
pipeline. It's all coming.
And so I would say that, you know, we will change again,

(36:49):
assuming society holds together,we will change.
We will see people that we've never seen before, super
shredded, super muscular, not having to diet, you know, I
mean, sure, they have to lower their carbohydrate impact and
increase movement, powdering andstuff like that.
But nothing like the hardcore days of like Bros, you know,

(37:11):
having to eat tilapia and white rice four or five times a day.
You know, I mean that all those that stuff is the thing in the
past. Again, if you understand this
like wizard pharmacology and I'mseeing it right, because I'm
kind of in the Ground Zero, in the epicenter of it and I'm just
seeing things that I'm just likeblows my minds.
I mean, I mean, bro, they're youknow, today my company we just
released, it's not available. It'll be out next week.

(37:31):
But I just got it delivered today, a product called
Biozapatite and it's an oral GLP2.
So you could take two capsules of this AM and PM and increase
your metabolic rate by 15 to 20%and decrease your appetite by
20%. Now, obviously you still have to
be intelligent about how you eatif you're a competitor and stuff
like that. But I mean, this is stuff that's

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like no side effects with this. It won't, There's no side
effects. It just increases metabolic rate
and slows your appetite down, right?
So you'll eat less. So if you're a competing
bodybuilder, male or female, andyou take this product, it's
going to be so easy for you to get in contest ready condition
because it's just you're not going to be hungry.
So like is there ways to test tosee if those people have been

(38:14):
taking that? Like, is that even traceable?
No, no, and, and, and, and it, it will be, I mean, it will
eventually be, but no, they're five years behind the drugs.
And then, you know, once they docatch up, they'll be smart guys
out there like me that'll mask the tests, you know, so you
won't be able to find it. So we're, we're, we're, we're
getting into a realm now where it's like it's always been the

(38:37):
people, the PED people or 10 years.
And now it's like they're three to five years in front.
But the technology is just becoming so advanced that like,
I don't really know if they'll ever really be able to test
like, you know, people that are using like GLP fours or GLP
fives because there's really no residue to understanding the
body because these are all organic signaling molecule.

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So it's not like you could say, oh, this person is overloaded,
you know, with this and say thathe's cheating because that
person could just be biochemically unique and have
that amount of in their body naturally, or they can make that
argument at least. But of course, people will know.
So what's, what's a? What's a natural bodybuilder to
do, man? Do the same thing that everybody

(39:18):
else cared bro. Take.
Take the good stuff, take the goods.
Man, I've, I've actually like legitimately been natural
throughout my whole life. So it's unfortunate to see this
unfolding for people. I mean, I don't have anything
against people that take PEDs now.
Like to each their own. I don't care.
It's not my place to judge. But man, I wish people were

(39:40):
honest with it. So that was a level playing
field, but. There's never been a level
playing field. I mean, everyone's, you know,
even as far back as anything goes in bodybuilding,
especially, you know, where performance enhancement or
judging is subjective, you're going to have people that are
going to cheat. So, but I mean, again, there's a
difference, right? Like, you know, if somebody's

(40:00):
taking 4 grams of gear a week plus growth hormone plus insulin
plus all that versus somebody who's just using TRT and maybe,
you know, 2 caps of a GOP2. I mean, there's obviously a
giant gradient, you know, from as far as like where people are.
So, I mean, you know, I, I, I personally would argue that a, a
natural bodybuilder who's 50. And it's taking testosterone

(40:23):
because he has no testosterone that his body's naturally
producing anymore because he lives in a contaminated fucking
environment. You know, along with a minor
dose of a GOP. They still have to work.
They still got to put in the work in the gym.
They still got to, you know, regulate what they're eating,
you know, from a protein and carbohydrate and fat, you know,
standpoint. But clearly, as I told you, like

(40:45):
if you want to go and tilt the balance with all the different
drugs, I mean you the work that you would have to do 10/15/20
years ago is nothing with the stuff that is giving you the
advantages. And that's why I'm saying like
the genetically mutant, genetically advantageous people
are going to just dominate the sport because of the drugs.
And so from a, from a longevity,health and Wellness standpoint,

(41:07):
like if people are taking these peptides to add more muscle
down, regulate appetite, up regulate metabolism, like are
there any negative repercussionsto that playing out over time?
Because there's not really been,I wouldn't imagine long term
studies done on some of these newer drugs and peptides.
Yeah. I mean, there might be.
I mean, the truth is, Robert, isthat, you know, and I'd say this

(41:29):
on every podcast probably I've ever been on, when I get a
chance to talk about it is it's statistically provable that the
leaner you are, the longer you live.
So when you say to a person and you know, you're not the guy to
say this because you understand the space, I mean, a lot of
people don't understand what that means, right?
Like they think that when they think about people who are
muscular, they think of giant bodybuilder people.

(41:51):
And I always tell people I'm like, that's not true because if
you're lean, what do you think the rest of your body is made of
your muscular, right? So it's like if a woman is 8,
well, not a woman, if a man is 7to 10 percent body fat, they're
automatically muscular because you can't be walking around with
water, right? Like it's got to be muscle in
addition to what is holding the skeleton together and bone,

(42:14):
right? So it's a muscle, bone and fat.
So if you're a, you know, 7 to 10% guy year round, you're a
very muscular hyper what what iscalled as a hyper muscular
person. So, and again, the statistics
show that the less inflammation that you have, the less likely
you will die of one of the diseases of aging because
inflammation is what causes disease because as you have

(42:36):
inflammation around organ systems, Biosystems, that is
what causes the, the cellular degradation.
The cellular degradation leads to one of the diseases of aging,
heart disease, cancer, you know,glaucoma, diabetes,
neurodegenerative diseases of the brain, which are really type
3 diabetes. So it really just comes down to

(42:57):
like people's awareness of how lean can I be, how healthy can I
maintain my, you know, leanness?Because as I like to say, it's
about functional power and functional strength, right?
Like you want to be in your 70s and 80s capable of hiking a
mountain, picking up your grandkids, you know, not being

(43:17):
able to get winded when you walkup the stairs or, or, or, or, or
excess stairs or, or climb a mountain or, you know, do a hike
in a, on a big hill or somethinglike that.
So I think that's really what matters as we get older.
But to to your question, like, Idon't think we really know.
We don't really have enough data.
I mean, I will definitely say that if you're comparing, you
know, a person who uses a micro dose of AGLP 3 or AGLP 4 and

(43:41):
keeps their body fat below 10% year round and doesn't, you
know, contribute to all these other lifestyle, you know, let's
say, you know, shorteners like alcoholism, eating too much
sugar, obviously taking recreational drugs, smoking
cigarettes, whatever. Like I still think that person's
going to live longer than the people that are, you know, quote

(44:02):
UN quote, you know, doing normaladjuvants that destroy life.
I mean, bro, the average person right now, this is a statistical
fact. This is how insane it is in
America. 40, I'm sorry, 40 and up, 73% of men and women in the
United States right now are, areobese according to the BMI.
If you're 40 and up, that's how many people in America are
obese. It is pretty ridiculous.

(44:24):
It's. Crazy.
But I mean, I say this to peoplewhen they, when I say that
statistic, I mean for you, you're like, yeah, of course.
But like the average person doesn't believe that.
And I'm like, motherfucker, go to an airport, go to a big, you
know, place that has a hodgepodge of humans, a
cross-sectional group of humans from all across the planet.
And it's undeniable. I mean, dude, when you fly, and

(44:46):
I fly a lot now, I mean, the planes are, are disaster.
Where you find first class or inthe back of the plane doesn't
matter because they got to wait for all these gigantic people
to, you know, get off the plane and then be wheelchaired up.
And I'm, you know, I'm walking on these jetties in these
runways or, you know, the, the ramps and these poor bastards

(45:08):
can't even push these people. They're so heavy, you know what
I mean? So it's like our society is
broken. We're at the past the sell by
date, you know. I don't know if we blame the
people or we blame the modernization.
I mean, again, the food, you know, what's his name from Mind
Pump, you know, does a really good presentation on this Sal,

(45:30):
You know, he's a good friend. I think you know him.
You know, he talks about the hyper palatability of food.
You know, the corporations have engineered food for people to
eat it in excess and they eat more food than their bodies
could ever capable of burning off.
And they, they can't stop because they're addicted to the
chemicals, you know, in the actual food.
So it's like, you know, I have alot of compassion for people

(45:52):
that are obese and, and, and metabolically deranged because
again, they've what's been done to them.
They have no control over. Now, obviously that's not making
excuses for people because yes, you could watch me or you and
other people like you and I and you can listen to us talk about
like, hey, now you got to live insulin controlled, you got to
exercise, you got to lift weights, you got to do cardio.
You, you got to do certain things, you know, but they

(46:13):
don't, dude, the average people,they don't.
We talked about that at the opening of the show.
The average person is illiterate.
They don't even know what a protein, carbohydrate or fat is.
They just eat because their bodies say I'm hungry.
And if you're eating to the point of like you don't stop
being hungry because the chemicals, you're going to end
up being 250 plus pounds. Yeah.
And that's where we are. Yeah, no, I agree there.

(46:35):
I think from like a self preservation standpoint,
obviously the more we can incentivize people to lose body
fat and build and preserve puzzle is like a very obvious
goal that we should strive for. Do you think there is that we
should strive for that goal at all cost or do you think there
could be a point of diminishing returns or a net negative by
allowing people to push the easybutton so to speak?
Case in point, it's getting my hair cut the other day and I'm

(46:59):
talking to the Barber and she's like, yeah, I'm down 20 lbs
right now. You know, started taking GOP
one. I'm a little bit worried because
I'm gonna have to come off of ithere in a few weeks.
And I'm like, OK, well, talk to me about your nutrition.
Like, what do you do for, you know, food?
And she's like, well, I'm eatinga lot less now.
I don't eat the full sleeve of Oreos, You know, what about
protein? She's like, oh, I eat plenty of

(47:20):
peanut butter for my protein. So it's like, dude, it's crazy.
A very ignorant society when it comes to food.
And it's great that she's lost the 20 lbs, but if we don't
educate people in these fundamentals and we just provide
them with an outlet to get the end outcome, you think that

(47:41):
could result in a net negative overall?
I mean again bro haves and have nots.
You know that person is going togain 40 lbs back when she stops
the GOP. Yeah, because she has not
addressed the fundamental issuesof her nutrition.
She doesn't have any nutrition. The average person in America
today doesn't even understand what a protein, what a fat and

(48:03):
what a carpet. You can't talk to them about the
things that we talked about. I mean, again, we are out
leaders, dude. You know, the the car, the keto
world, the carnivore world, the metabolically flexible world,
the people using GOP world, you know, the biohackers, peptides,
whatever hormonally optimized people.
Like, we are so aberrant from the average person.
But yeah, I mean, that woman didnot learn from the doctor that

(48:27):
wrote that script for that drug.And I guarantee you she's taking
a very high level of GOP one, which is Wegovi, and she's
getting it from a script throughher medical benefits.
And by the way, that drug, GOP one, is an absolutely worthless
drug. It should be abolished.
There's no value in using a drugthat does not enhance metabolic

(48:48):
rate. So it's not helping these people
like you just said, it's not improving their habits.
It's literally telling their brain to eat less.
It's not telling them to eat right and eat less.
So all they do is they go days, if not hours or I should say
long windows of not eating. And then when they eat, they

(49:09):
just eat less of the same shit that they used to shovel in
their pie hole before they took the drug.
So no habits are being improved.Like you said, protein.
Oh, I eat, I get protein from peanut butter.
What? They don't even know what
protein is. My, my dad is very highly
intelligent multimillionaire retired man.

(49:30):
And when I used to talk to him about, I mean, again, you know,
Boomer turns 80 in November, he says that he would get his
protein from dipping peanut butter and cheese.
I'm sorry, hard block cheese andpeanut butter.
That's how he got his protein. Swear to God.
I mean, I remember having conversations with him about
this decades ago. And I, you know, it's a lost
cause, right? Like the teacher appears when

(49:50):
the student is ready. I mean, you know, there, you
can't just, you know, proselytize and tell people
that. But I told my dad true story
when he was running on hard surfaces when I was in my early
20s. I said, Dad, if you don't stop
running on hard surfaces, you'regoing to lose your hips and both
of your knees. You're going to have them
replaced. And he looked at me.
He's like, what the fuck? You don't know shit.

(50:12):
OK, dude. He's got both knees and both
hips replaced at his age now, right?
So it's like you can only help people who want to be helped.
And at the end of the day, according to your question,
again, you know, people, you canonly, I mean, they have to
learn. These are things that they have
to actually reach out and expandand learn.
And no, no GOP, no matter how advanced they get, is ever going

(50:36):
to improve or help anybody beyond the people that desire to
be helped because they know all the other.
Things. So it's like you still have to
do the things. You still have to understand
metabolic flexibility. You still have to live insulin
controlled. You still got to lift weights.
You still got to do cardiovascular exercise.
You still got to get, you know, 7 to 9 hours or 6 to 8 hours of
polyphasic deep restorative sleep every night.

(50:57):
You got to mitigate Emfs. You got to do all these things.
Living in this contaminated world and taking a GOP you know
to lose 20 lbs is not one of those things.
Yeah, it's always the classic 910 analysis everything like any
of this stuff they would any of the bio hackers you're talking
about. It's like that last little, you
know, sugar on top so to speak, that you can reserve for getting

(51:19):
things dialed in to last degree if everything else is in place.
Exactly, exactly. And and I said that all the
time. You know, when I talk about
peptides, I've, I always tell people like, you can't just
Willy nilly start using peptidesif you don't have the
foundational precepts of the foundations dialed in.
And the foundations are always going to be #1 is, you know, do

(51:41):
you have a hormone deficiency? 80% of people in society have a
hormone deficiency. You know, does that mean you got
to start therapeutic testosterone?
No, but it means you do have to address why you have a hormone
deficiency. And again, most people have no
idea they have a hormone deficiency.
The average doctor doesn't even know how to treat a hormone
deficiency. They don't even know to order
their labs to get to find out about their free and total

(52:03):
testosterone, right? So you always have to address
the bleeding neck of your life before you start throwing in
peptides or bio regulators or hormones or GLPS or any of these
things. Because you're right, they're
all awesome cherries on top, butthey're not going to move the
needle for you unless you're already walking the path of

(52:25):
doing the other things. Yeah, you, you said you'd get a
a daughter senior in high schoolright now.
You have any other kids? I do.
So I have a a sophomore and a senior and then I raised my
wife's biologicals. I raised essentially 2 1/2 of
them because one of them was estranged and was with her ex.
But there are 29 now, 26 and 23.And so, you know, I was

(52:49):
instrumental in most of their life raising them.
So essentially I raised like almost 5 kids, 4 1/2 kids.
That's kind of the way I did it over the last 20 years.
Nice OK, in the light of them them being you know early
chapters of their lives got the whole world ahead of them.
You want to obviously know what you know lay good fundamental
groundwork form. How do you you know direct them

(53:10):
when it comes to like nutrition peptides, what they should use
what they should you know, focuson right now or totally ignore
until a certain chapter in life like how do you kind of set them
up for success? Know what?
You know, I mean, it's an awesome question and I've
answered this a couple times before.
As a parent, we have to lead. From the front.
So how we live our lives is how our children will engage later

(53:36):
in their lives, right? So it's like you have to, just
like I said, lead from the front.
You have to be the example. You have to be the light.
And so my wife and I have been living this life of training and
eating right and being consistent in our methodologies.
And so they've all observed that, you know, And so all of my
kids, even my 15 year old, well,she's going to be 16 in

(53:59):
December. They're athletic, they go to the
gym, they do cardio in the house.
You know, do they all like eat as religiously as my wife and I,
Monica, do? No, right.
But do they understand what a protein, carbohydrate and a fat
is? Yes, they definitely understand
that. And again, they just maybe
learned it from observing their parents.

(54:21):
Maybe they learned it through osmosis, right?
But like the other stuff like peptides and hormones and you
know, by regulators and supplements and GLPS and all
that, like, but I'm sure becausethey know about us and they talk
to us about our use of these things because I had these
conversations with my 17 year old, my 17 year old is used a GL
P3 already. You know, she knows what it is.

(54:42):
You know, she knows how to do it.
You know, so I taught her how toadminister with a medical grade
pen and she used it for about four months to lose like 9 or 10
lbs. You know, she's a cheerleader
competitor, you know, very, veryathletic.
And of course, you know, I taught her.
I would never have taught her ifI didn't think she was
consistent enough to understand how to do it.
But you know, to your question, we've LED from the front enough

(55:04):
that we feel like our kids now, you know, even though like the
29 year olds in the Navy. And he'll be getting out of the
Navy. He's been in the Navy for six
years. He'll be getting out of the Navy
and end of either middle of November to early of December,
depending on when he gets out. He's on an aircraft carrier
right now. He lives, He texts me all the
time and he asked me advice about nutrition.
The 26 year old also is a he works in the biochemical

(55:27):
industry. He'll probably end up working
for me at some point in his life.
He's, you know, working in San Diego right now.
He always texts me all the time and asked me about, hey, what do
you think about this supplement?I'm going to change this about
my training. What do you think about this?
Our 23 year old daughter is division two all American soccer
player. So she's super athletic.
She's just literally just got her doctorate degree and now

(55:48):
she's in her last year of college because her boyfriend is
a six year starting point guard for New Mexico.
So she's living in Albuquerque until their basketball season's
over. And then they're actually both
going to try to go over to Europe and play professional,
her soccer and him basketball. And we'll see.
They may get a cup of coffee. And then of course my 2 youngest
daughters, my obviously my wife and I in Tampa, FL, both raised

(56:10):
and we talked to them and see them everyday and we talked
about these things all the time.So, you know, my guess is that
when they're ready, if and when they're ready, they'll come to
us and they'll ask us about using peptides.
The 29 year old is already talking to me about possibly
using testosterone because he has low testosterone.
And again, 29 year old men, it'snormal in the Western society

(56:30):
today to have low testosterone because of the environment, you
know, because of all the things that they're up against that,
you know, our forefathers and ancestors didn't have.
So I would just say, I guess theanswer to the question is really
that we just lead by example andwe let them know that we're here
for them if they have a questionabout any of those things.
But we're very, very vocal, we're very, very open.

(56:51):
We're very transparent. We're very clear about what we
do. I mean, obviously they all
follow us on social media and sothey read our stuff and you
know, they're as the kids, you know, get information or get
feedback from people all the time and say, hey, could could
you ask your dad about this? You know what I mean?
So they spend time, you know, asking us that and actualizing
our self, actualizing a lot of that.

(57:12):
So it's kind of cool. It's kind of weird at times, I
think, but I think I just feel like that we've LED them.
From a responsible. Like, you know, do as we do, you
know, standpoint that they'll come to us if and when they're
ready. But I will definitely tell you
right now, Robert, that all of them are actually, they're all
lean. They all exercise regularly.
My 15 year old daughter is doingcardio on the treadmill.

(57:33):
You know, at night when she comes home from school, she's in
cheer. My 17 year old goes to the gym
three days a week, you know whatI mean?
As a senior in high school and lifts on her own, you know, by
herself. She has a boyfriend, he's a
football player now as a freshman in some division two
school, I think it's Towson or it's actually Division One
Towson State. So you know, they, they learned

(57:55):
from us, they watched us and they watched our lifestyle
habits and that's kind of where they are now.
So I think that's the best in a long winded way.
That's the best way I can answerthat.
Yeah, and I totally agree, man. I feel like you got to live by
example and I feel like kids, you know, they're a lot smarter
than people getting credit for you.
Like they can look at their peergroup, they can look at their
peers and, you know, parents andit's OK.

(58:16):
Fast forward, you know, 20-30 years, like I don't want them
living that life. They don't want to live that
life. Look at us, what are we doing
differently than them? Try and emulate that if you want
to mimic it, you know. In in truth, you know, and I
don't judge people or condemn people for saying this, but we
don't drink any alcohol. There's no drugs, you know,
other than hormones and peptidesand stuff like that and
biohacking stuff. But that we don't have bad

(58:38):
habits. So there's nothing that they've
observed. And, you know, and we've had
that conversation about like drinking and smoking weed and
all that stuff. And, you know, they kind of know
that, like we frown on that, right?
So it's like we told them like, hey, if you have friends like
that and you think that's cool, it's not.
So it's not the plough to go, you know, like we're not like,

(58:59):
you know, villain. You know how to say like
ostracizing them and being like vehemently, like you can't do
that because you know, when you tell kids that they can't do it,
they're going to do it right, right.
But we, we encourage them to like hang out with people that
are not doing that stuff becausethose type of people usually
don't go anywhere, right? Like it's just kind of the way

(59:20):
the world works and stuff. So I feel, I feel very good
that, you know, none of my daughter's at 15 and 17 right
now. And, and none of the older ones,
you know, ever really hung around with the round crowd or
did anything stupid. I'm sure they've experimented
from time to time with things, but none of them are big
drinkers. They don't smoke weed, which I
mean, I think, dude, a lot of kids today do.
So I think that that's, yeah, I mean, I think that's a big, you

(59:42):
know, when if I want to call it that, that they're not that way.
But of course, it's like what you said, it's like they're not
because they never observed their parents doing that.
And I don't know how many parents in today's society are
truly like, you know, leading from the front, you know what I
mean? Because they're in a struggle
themselves. I mean, their life is everyday
struggle. Pay the bills, show up to work

(01:00:04):
on time, make sure that the mortgage is paid.
You know, make sure they have enough money to send their kids
to a summer camp or whatever it is.
I mean, we all have bills and issues.
I mean, there's no doubt about it.
But it's just it's it's it's again leading by example. 100%,
ma'am, last question for you man, what what's gets you
excited going forward? I mean, obviously the peptides
gets ramped up. That sounds like a lot of
exciting things within your company, but what is what is

(01:00:26):
something you're excited about that you're not typically just
talking about on the podcast? Something outside the norm.
Just the idea that I get the opportunity to talk about the
things that I love and that I'm passionate about, you know, at a
very scalable way now. Like I feel like Robert in the
last year to the last year and ahalf, like this is just like my

(01:00:47):
information. The desire for people to have
the information that I have is just exponentially exploded.
And so now it's just a blessing to be able to wake up every
single Monday morning, Tuesday morning, Wednesday morning,
every single day is the same. Knowing that like I have a
really amazing responsibility toteach people, you know, how to

(01:01:07):
do these things and to do these things in the process in, in the
context of health and longevity and to not fuck themselves up,
to not get sick, to not overdose, to not abuse.
And so it's just an honor and a blessing, you know, to know that
every single day I have this amazing ability, you know, to do
this. I mean, honestly, dude, like,
think about it. Like, I mean, I literally have a
life where I get a chance to talk to people like you for a

(01:01:29):
living on podcasts about stuff that I'm passionate about.
You know what I mean? Like, how many people in society
today truly can say they do that, right?
Like I, you know, I just was on my one of my private calls last
night and I was reading this book.
It's an amazing book. And it's like we were talking
about like taking an assessment of your life.

(01:01:50):
And it's like how many people intheir chosen field or profession
every single day can honestly look in the mirror and say that
they're happy about what it is they're doing. 10% or less?
5% or less. Yeah, it's, it's abysmal, man.
Like I, it's funny you mentionedlike, because I've been really
in that frame of thought as well.

(01:02:12):
And yeah, I mean, like you said,we've all got our own struggles,
we've all got our own heartachesand that's just life.
But man, if I if I won the freaking lottery and wanted to
build my exact exact life out tomy specs, like I'd build pretty
much what I've got going right now.
Yeah, you absolutely have it right now.
I mean, I'll just give you what you can end this podcast.
Like these are the questions, right?
So these are the questions. I'll just read them all off as

(01:02:33):
fast as possible so we can end this podcast.
But who am I? Where am I going?
What is my purpose in life? If I had one month to live, what
regrets would I have? Am I happy and if not, why not?
Am I healthy? If not, why not?
That's a big one because most people are not healthy.
Am I getting out of life all that life has to offer?

(01:02:53):
Do I love my job and love getting up on Monday mornings?
If not, why not? What can I do about it?
Is what I spend most of my time doing helping other people?
If so, how? What are my desires and passions
in life? Right?
So again, back to what you and Ijust said.
Like we literally bro live our desires and passions.

(01:03:14):
How many people get a chance to do that?
If money were no issue, what would I really want to do with
my life? That is a huge question that
will blow most people's brains up because they have no answer
to that, right? Because every, most people live
because they have to make money to survive.
They're not thriving, They're surviving, right?
And then what am I doing right? And what am I doing wrong?

(01:03:34):
And then the last two questions are, what do I need to do more
of to advance the most spiritually?
And then the last question is, am I the best parent?
And this is a real bold mover. Am I the best parent, the best
spouse, the best person that I can be?
If not, what needs to change? So you can imagine answering
those questions, bro, will change your life.

(01:03:55):
And those are things that you have to really become
introspective and reflective about.
And it's not something that everybody can answer in in 15
minutes. Yeah, what's crazy is, like, you
and I can go through that list and feel pretty good about the
vast majority of those answers, but there's like almost 8
billion people on this planet. What if 8 billion people could
say the same thing? Like, how much more value would

(01:04:17):
the world become, be filled with?
I mean, everybody like feeling the way that you and I feel
like. That would be amazing place to
live man. I think you, I think you have to
just to add to that. Yeah, 100%.
But I think you have to get to, as I say, you have to get to a
level of spiritual awareness where you realize that you are
not your body. That you are an energy, an

(01:04:37):
infinite energy soul being, and that you are going to live
forever even when this physical body dies.
Once you can overcome that idea,this limited finite construct
that you're this body in this space and time, then everything
opens up for you. Because now you're not in
resistance to like all the things that may be bothering you
or maybe issues in your life, you know, being able to.

(01:05:00):
Pay for this or buy that or whatever.
I mean, you probably can make anargument that money is the
ultimate finite limitation for almost everyone if you.
If from a perspective standpoint, but once you realize
that it's not and you're only creating that idea as a
construct in your mind, then life becomes a lot easier.
But we all go or we all have to work to get to that place where
it's like not that big of a deal. 100%, man, shoot, we need

(01:05:23):
to do this another time, man. This is only the first time, you
know, I've talked. We didn't do this again.
We can do it overstate. Just dude, man, I appreciate
your, your questions were great and it was an awesome, very free
flowing conversation. So just let me know, dude, if I
still have my podcast, of courseI'd bring you on mine, but I'm
just now just guesting on stuff.Hey, well, when everything comes
out with the businessman, we'll get you back on.
Where do people go to find out more and dive deeper right now?
For sure. So, so for bio Longevity labs,

(01:05:44):
if you want to purchase peptidesby regulator, small molecule
supplements, just go to biolongevityla-bs.com.
Use the affiliate code JAYC. If you want to become an
affiliate, you know you can editit and we can throw your code in
there for that when this podcastruns and be happy to do that.
It's 15% off. We run sales all the time.
We're always heavily discounting.
It's all about a service to others company.

(01:06:05):
And then to find info on me to get a free PDF copy of all the
books I've ever written which are 9 now.
Five are international best sellers.
It's jaycampbell.com/free Dash info.
And then of course, you can findme on social media at Jay
Campbell 333. And when people say what does
333 mean? If it's the Angel number and

(01:06:25):
it's the connection between master teachers and spirit and
mind body. So that's why I have 333 on
there. But yeah, that's how you can
find me. So dude, it was an honor to be
here today. I appreciate you.
Hey man, pleasures mine. I've truly enjoyed the
conversation. We'll definitely keep it going
and if it's everything I could do for you, just let me know,
brother. Awesome man, have a great day my
friend. You too.

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