September 26, 2025 • 25 mins
This week’s episode is short and sweet because it’s peak week and the show is right around the corner. Greg’s feeling all the prep fatigue - hungry, irritable, and sore - but also the leanest and best he’s ever looked. We talk about how to bounce back after slip-ups, why you don’t “slash all four tires” when you get a flat, and how consistency pays off.
We share some behind-the-scenes details about the inaugural show: we hit our goal of 30 competitors, stacked pro-qualifying classes, and even a live stream for those who can’t attend in person. It’s been stressful, sleep-deprived, and expensive, but we’re making this first year unforgettable so it can only grow from here.
On a personal note, I talk about my sleep struggles, using a chili pad to stay cool at night, and even building a chicken yard in the rain while sore and exhausted. We also go over Greg’s peak week plan - cardio taper, show-day nutrition with fatty coffees, bacon, eggs, and timed bricks, plus electrolytes and creatine.
Finally, we look ahead to the offseason build. Stage photos will be huge for tracking progress and weak points, and the tribe calls are going to shift into structured reverse dieting and growth. No matter the results this weekend, I’m proud of Greg for pushing through, helping run the show, and setting the stage for an incredible building year ahead.
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(00:00):
Well, good morning. What's up dude, how you doing
man? You want the honest.
Truth, honest truth. Lay it on me.
I feel like crap, but not really.
I mean, been here before this peak week.
It's Monday. It's good.
I feel hungry, irritable, deflated, depleted, kind of
sore. You know, all the above, all the
(00:22):
peak week things. Hey, let me show these pictures
live. What pictures that took a
picture of your booty? That look at the ratings.
No, we got some glute pictures, like look, there's you from the
back. Oh Dang.
So you can see the glutes are coming.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then from the side, check
that out. Hot Dang.
So you want to highlight that, man, you got them in.
(00:44):
You just got to pose them because if I mean.
I thought it was on the old IG. Yeah, when you get, when you get
glutes, you got to, you got to show, show the glutes.
I've never had dialed in glutes.I've never actually, I guess
I've never really strived to because I've never done
bodybuilding. What was the your weight?
Your last? Not your last show this year,
but your last competitive season.
(01:05):
I think it was right over 190 ish, maybe like low 190's.
So you're a little leaner now. You've likely built some muscle.
Oh yeah, my legs are way bigger.So yeah, I mean, I feel like, I
feel like if you were to come inlike as gnarly as possible, you
would be 180 right now. That would be gnarly.
(01:26):
That would be, yeah, and you could do it, but you've already
been prepping since January. Yeah.
This is the most gnarly you've ever looked though, Yeah?
For sure, for sure this is the best prep. 100%.
And despite having crazy binge sesh last.
It only happened once. Yeah, it only happened.
Once. But the the that message I sent
you, I'm just going to rattle itoff super quick because it's in
(01:46):
here after I had that crazy overeating extravaganza last
Sunday. We talked about on the last.
One we did talk about on the last one because there was a
couple people that actually chimed in and they're like, Oh
my God, I relate to that so much.
Whatever, where's that message? Sunday evening I had all that
(02:08):
food. Monday morning I weighed a
197.3. So up 7 lbs.
Nail my macros, nail my sodium, double my water.
Next morning I was 196, the nextmorning I was 195, and then
Thursday after Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, I weighed
190. One and.
Then I had to refeed that week on Friday and I woke up at 187.
(02:33):
Today I'm 190 so. This is a perfect testament to
why if you go off the rails, youcan't stay off the.
Rails no jump right back on. Immediately you said something.
I think it may have been the last work podcast and I've since
used it in talk with people. But the tires you get a flat
tire, don't slash the other three.
Yeah, that's perfect. So I heard that somewhere else
that was that's floating on the Internet.
(02:54):
Hey, well, it's good I used it. So yeah, this week is peak week.
This is Monday. When this goes live on Friday,
the show is the next day. Which is crazy and we got 30
competitors, 30 competitors. That is solid for year one.
Yeah, that was kind of like our goal was to have 30 competitors
and we hit that goal last minuteon deadline Sunday.
(03:15):
And I didn't know what a realistic goal would or should
be. I mean, I've talked to a lot of
several first time promoters andthey're like, look man, my first
show I had nine people, had eight people.
You know, it'll it'll get betterfrom there.
You just got to start and make it happen.
So the fact that we have 30 coming out inaugural year guns a
blazing, I feel pretty good about that.
(03:36):
Feel really good about that. I do too.
That's going to be awesome. I.
Wish we had more female competitors.
I went a couple years ago, I wasinvited to do a test dredging at
an all female show. I think it was in Duluth, it was
in Minnesota. I want to say they only had like
7 registered competitors and I knew a couple of the competitors
just because they were like friends and they were local and
(03:59):
one of them stuck came out and found me, you know, before the
event and she's like there's only like 7 or 8 people
registered. She was so bummed.
Yeah. Because you put all that time
and effort in and then get thereand the event is really, really
small. And it wasn't the first year.
Yeah, I think it was just lack of promotion.
(04:20):
Will that able to learn it. For everybody, I mean, like it
sucks for the competitors because like they want to be
able to compete against, you know, a stacked class.
Plus from a pro qualifying standpoint, you have to have,
you know, ample people getting in that class.
So like you don't want to be theonly person on stage.
And then from a promoter standpoint, like there's a whole
bunch of, you know, fixed overhead costs regardless of how
(04:40):
many people show up, right. So you count on there being more
attendance and more registrations to help cut some
of that cost. And if there's not like you
still have that fixed cost, likewe're definitely not breaking
even on the show. We're losing money for sure
because we kind of went over thetop with some things, but we
wanted to do that. We knew that going in.
It's like, look, we're going to make this show so freaking
(05:01):
amazing that it can't help but grow, and I feel like that will
be the case. That's the thing, like even if
you're in a small show, it's kind of kind of puts that I'll
feeling in your head of like, wow, I probably went to this one
next year, you know, just because I don't.
Think any superiority is going to be able to walk away No man
like. No, it's not.
Not for ours. Not only do we have enough to
make it like a very worthwhile show, and we've got three, maybe
(05:23):
4 pro qualifying classes depending on shakes out this
last little bit, but we for surehave 3.
And not by hair either like we got 3 salt pro.
Yeah, they're stacked classes. And, and then maybe a fourth and
it's like, I don't know, we're, we're going all out and I'm, I'm
excited. I keep saying that, but I am
truly excited. I'm stressed, I'm sleep
deprived, I'm anxious, but I am excited.
(05:46):
And I'm by the chicken wings on Sunday.
I don't care what my coach. Says on Sunday, Yeah.
Hey, well, what, You're going tohave barbecue on Saturday too?
Because my dad's going to be this.
Oh yeah, BBQ. So you have that and then I'm
taking all you out to Brazilian Steakhouse.
In a week. Or two, yeah, a week or two when
everybody's back in town. So that'll be good.
Yes, that'll be good. It's weird, man.
(06:07):
Let's talk about a little coffeechat last week.
And except I was only drinking coffee, but like everybody came
into the. There's only three of us.
It was Friday, so it's pretty. We don't do production on
Friday. Oh yes, on Friday morning.
Yeah, I'm there. So over.
On the I come in the building and Ellen's all bummed.
You're all bummed. I'm also kind of bummed because
I've just been like short tempered and irritable as well.
(06:29):
And I'm like, how's it been doing?
This morning? I tried to be chippering at me.
They're just like, oh, I'm fine just walking into a bunch of
Eeyore. Like Bah humbug.
Yeah, and it's like, all right, we're going to do a coffee chat.
So I made a cup of coffee, we all gathered around the futon,
futon. And we just laid it all out
there, vented a little bit, spoke our frustrations, got them
(06:50):
off our chest and into the air. And then we got optimistic and
grateful. And I felt that was, I felt that
was good. I felt like we all, we all
benefited from that. I've benefited from.
Yeah. I did too.
It's. Weird.
I was kind of like I was saying then it's like I'm not in prep
right now, but I feel like I'm in prep kind of because all the
the weight of the competitors I'm putting on my shoulders.
(07:12):
Plus I've got so many of my clients competing in this show
and I'm hearing all of their, you know, anxious feelings.
So I'm wearing then and then I'mthe one putting on the show.
So it's like I wanted to be a good experience for everybody
and then go smoothly. And then you're not only
competing in in prep, which is astress in and of itself, but
you're also like a massive part in organizing all of this.
(07:33):
So it's kind of crazy, man. Like when you actually step back
and look at it like it's, it's alot.
It's a lot. I feel like next year is going
to be so much easier for both ofus.
For one, I won't be prepping actually to participate on stage
in the competition, so that won't even be a component.
(07:56):
But then we'll have so many of these things already figured out
and how we can they'll just be that much easier to pull the
trigger on a second time. Which is being more organized.
They'd be like a show itself. Like the first show you do is
always the hardest show because you lack perspective.
The first show you promote, it'sthe hardest show to promote
because you lack perspective. So we'll have that clarity going
forward and just keeps getting better and better so.
(08:19):
Just fine tune it. What else we want to talk.
About we you you said You're sleep deprived, you said.
Yeah, well, before I talk about sleep optimization, let's talk
about how terrible my sleep is. I talk about sleep a lot because
it's so important. I've had several people on the
podcast talking about sleep optimization, and I've done a
lot of things to get that dialedin, like cranking the thermostat
(08:39):
down in the house, wearing sleeping eye mask, eye mask,
which helps a lot. I got a pretty slick eye mask.
But now that we have another kid, like Crystal is sleeping
with Hazen on top of her 'cause he's feeding throughout the
night. Rigel's next to me in his own
little crib adjacent to my side of the bed.
So he rolls over on me often times.
But because we have a baby, I can't crank the thermostat way
(09:01):
down. So I got a one of those chili
pad things, Sweet. And we hooked it up.
It like filters water through the mattress Topper and you can
set it to whatever temperature you want.
So I've been setting to like 57°.
It goes from like 55 to 115. And you can change the
temperature throughout the nightvia your app on whatever program
(09:23):
you want. So I've just been leaving it at
57 and I get cold, man. Like I woke up last night and I
was cold, cold. Like I had to go get in a
blanket because you've got is inthe past, you know, I have
Rigel's body heat on me and thenunder the covers of crystal.
So that's more body heat and thermostats cranked up.
So I just woke up hot and sweating more often than not,
(09:44):
especially if I had a bunch of protein before going to bed.
And with this, that doesn't happen.
Like you crank it down and you're just cold.
Nice. I like it, but the the sleep in
general, this is not good. Like I am not getting enough
total hours of sleep. And this weekend back story
(10:06):
here. So we're going to get chickens,
right? Clancy's got somebody there,
there some chickens up for sale.We're going to get 10 chickens
so we can get back into the homesteading chicken game.
And I didn't have a chicken yardset up, so I had to build a
chicken yard so that Diesel wouldn't kill these chickens as
well. And so I spent all weekend
impromptu making the chicken yard, you know, driving post,
(10:30):
digging holes, breaking rock. In the rain, because it rained
all week. Rained all weekend long so I was
just somping wet the entire weekend and man I was I'm so
sore right now. I, I train hard, I don't ever
get sore from my training. Like I trained pretty much full
body every day of the week except for like one or two and I
am way more sore now than I haveever been from training because
(10:51):
everything on my property is rock.
There's like 2 rocks to 1 dirt. I remember when we were trying
to dig holes. Oh man, so it's like
predominantly breaker bar action, not post hole digger and
just that repetitive motion beating the hell out of the
ground with that thing. And then yeah, I'm, I'm.
How do your? How are your joints like?
How are your shoulders and elbows?
(11:12):
I got tendonitis in my elbow, myleft elbow, the repetitive
motion of that, plus the T post driver, and I got a really
crappy T post driver and he was just jarring the hell out of me.
I woke up on Saturday 5 lbs lighter from all the sweat,
well, our Sunday rather from allthe sweat that I'd lost.
And then I woke up this morning.I just whooped, man.
I'm so exhausted. I did not get the recuperative
(11:33):
rest and relaxing weekend beforegoing into the show that I
probably needed to get, but thiswas the only timeline to make
this fence because I wouldn't have any time this week with the
show. So it is what it is.
I got an awesome fence now so I'm proud of that, but man I am
beat the hell for sure. Well, rest and recover this week
if you can, or go easy or whatever.
(11:54):
I did a lighter workout today like I did a bunch of stretching
stuff. How was your workout today?
Good. Do you have this was your last
heavy day? I did full intensity today, I'll
do a full intensity tomorrow andthen Wednesday I'll start
tapering Wednesday, Thursday. So you're in the home stretch
for sure, ma'am, and I'm probably going to just are you
going to work? I mean, Thursday you are tapered
(12:15):
pretty good, but are you going to go to like Ozark and do
something? You're going to come.
Here I will probably still hit Ozark this week just because I
want to hit stairs tomorrow morning because we have the live
call in the evening. Stairs Wednesday morning.
Probably just hit stairs every morning.
OK, we'll see for the stairs toothough.
Yeah. So you're doing how many
minutes? 20.
And then tomorrow you'll do 20 minutes, and then Wednesday,
(12:39):
probably 15, Thursday 10. Yeah, Friday, probably nothing
but walking taper. All of it, yeah.
Super low intensity Friday. Sounds good you have the refeed
on Friday and. Friday night.
Bonded perfectly to the refeeds this past week.
My leg. Day on Saturday was insane.
Yep. Good pump, good vascularity.
Yeah, crazy. Rocking it, ma'am, rocking it
(13:02):
without carbs, without carbs. How how did you do that?
How did you had a pump and and vascularity without carbs?
I I don't understand you sure you you didn't sneak some carbs
in? Yeah, the.
Snickers on the way to the gym. Snickers on the way to the gym.
There you go. We're making some sample bricks
today. So I got a few new flavors in
the pipeline. Not anytime super soon.
(13:22):
We got to like, it's crazy how much in advance we have to make
the samples to see if we want toactually mass produce the
samples. And then we have to order the
film ingredients, all that stufflike months in advance.
So don't hold your breath. But we do have some new flavors
that we're working on, so that'sexciting.
You just can't eat them. Yeah, yeah.
I'll eat them Saturday. Saturday.
(13:44):
So Saturday let's talk about your questions on you were going
to ask me about show day, nutrition timing and stuff.
Let's just tackle that now. Oh, Saturday morning.
So in the past what I do is I'vegot like a Google doc in my
Google folder, whatever. And for peak week and show day,
(14:05):
I like to have like this worksheet that kind of just maps
out the day so I don't have to think about it.
I'm just thinking through in advance and just jot it all
down. So I put stuff in there like
when my tanning is, when my polygraph is, hotel details, all
that kind of stuff. It's just like a master sheet,
but based on estimated time on stage.
I also try to reverse engineer or work backwards from that as
(14:28):
far as what time I should have my refeed on Friday night.
So I'm thinking I'll do it probably the same time, like
6/30, 7:00, somewhere in there on Friday night.
I'm assuming I'll be on stage. With tanning, is it Friday on at
5 right at? 5 So after tanning, I'll go
home, make something to eat and whatever, but I'm going to stay
at the hotel just so I'm with all the other competitors.
So then Saturday morning, typically what I had done is
(14:51):
like a fatty coffee upon waking up, wait like 45 minutes an
hour, maybe have another fatty coffee depending on timing,
maybe a light breakfast, couple eggs, bacon, little bit of salt,
electrolytes, that kind of stuff.
And then quarter brick probably every what hour, hour and a
half. Yeah, So what time you think you
wake up on Saturday? I'm an early riser no matter
(15:13):
what, so I mean I'll probably beup 456.
OK, so you can have your fatty coffee fattier than normal and
you can go heavy with the fat onthis one.
So because you're not going to be losing anybody fat day of.
So I normally do, you know, 4 to6 tablespoons of heavy cream and
a tablespoon of butter on that first fatty coffee.
So you could have that and then you could have a second one
(15:35):
probably about 45 minutes to an hour after.
And then with that second one, or if you wanted to wait 45
minutes to an hour, you can havedepend on what time you wake up,
you could have probably two or three pieces of bacon, two or
three eggs, whole eggs. And then that would probably put
you at around 6:00 or 7:00 in the morning, probably 6:00 if
(15:58):
you wake up earlier. And then from there, probably
every hour I would do a quarter of a keto brick.
And then you'll probably be stepping on stage where you're
doing classic and bodybuilding at around 1 I.
Guess that's something. And after the intermission.
Yeah, so probably around 1:00. So if you have, you know, 1/4
keto brick every hour from, you know, 7 to 88 to 99 to 10 maybe
(16:23):
every hour and a half, and then probably have your last quarter
of a keto brick 45 minutes before you start pumping up.
That should work out perfectly. OK, time extend.
And then just make sure you're sipping water.
And then we'll kind of be looking at you backstage.
Make sure you're not holding water, you're not flushing too
much water, just making sure everything's good.
What about electrolytes in the morning?
(16:44):
Yeah, you can do your normal electrolyte dosage and then just
bring salt with you. So if we need to add more salts,
you know, impromptu day, we can.But yeah, I'd bring just brick
salt water with you to show to the show and then we can adjust
real time as needed. You're.
Gonna bring those samples. Oh those would be good.
Yeah, having to go to town on your draped electrolytes.
(17:06):
Your salty salty. Those are my yeah.
They sent me a jam, right? Bag of those are pretty good.
Those are good relights. Good.
There's some electrolyte branch right now.
Yeah, there's a bunch coming outnow too.
It keeps seeing more and more I.Would think that that's kind of
like a saturated market, but it's got to be, I guess there's
enough demand to warrant more people coming in, I think.
I think they're kind of in the spotlight.
(17:26):
You doing creatine right now? Yeah, you've been consistent
with that. How many?
Grams, you know, every single morning heaping, heaping scoop.
So it's probably, I don't know, close to 8G.
I've been, I just started doing creatine again like literally
last week. I've been using those keto
brains creatine because. It was 6 hours.
So I'm doing like 20 grams a dayright now of that because I'm if
(17:49):
I spread it out with every electrolyte drink throughout the
day, I don't have any GI distress.
If you do 20 grams in one dose you would.
You can so I. I just been doing them and I
feel I don't have a funny different one taking
supplements, but I feel like it's not going to hurt anything.
So doing that again. I'm excited for the building
phase for the both of. Us.
I am too. Because kind of like I was
(18:10):
telling you Friday when that we had that coffee meeting, I feel
like for the past, like my last show was in 23 and I feel like
I've just been treading water tosome extent since then.
Because in 24 we had the cacao crisis.
So like that was so focused and I was just kind of like treading
water with my training and everything still going hard and
going heavy and stuff, but not super structured.
(18:32):
And in this year, it's been likefiguring out tallow in light of
the cacao crisis and all the competition stuff.
So I've not really been able to just focus solely on my building
training, but I think with you and I being on the same page and
planning on competing against one another in 27, we can both
just rally behind 26 being a really solid building year.
(18:54):
So we'll get you through this reverse diet period.
And I'm excited about the tribe calls after this show.
I was. Just going to say because we're
going to kind of pull the Tribe into an offseason build phase,
proper reverse. And the cool thing about the
competition or just being reallylean in general as you can't
really tell what your weak spotsare when you're at a heavier
(19:14):
body fan. Like your legs for instance.
Your legs may look big and jacked but like you hold a lot
of body fat in your legs, not you specific.
Absolutely. Yep, and glutes.
So it's very deceiving because you think you've got massive
legs and you diet down. You're like, man, where'd my
legs go? Where'd my butt go?
But when you're dialed in, you can see those weak points very
clearly. And if you've got the stage
photos, This is why I recommend stage photos for everybody,
(19:35):
whether they plan on competing again or not.
Like having that clarity as to what your weak points are.
And then you can develop a structured training routine to
target those weak points. So we'll integrate all of that
into the tribe calls, like the reverse diet, the reverse, you
know, phase six, phase 7, how toget back to a healthy baseline
and you know, be psychologicallyand emotionally well through it
(19:55):
all. And then we'll develop.
Well, this is what I'm excited to do.
Once we're all back to baseline,I'm going to get all the tribe
calls members and look at all oftheir photos from this cut.
Oh yeah. And I'm like, OK, individually,
what is what is your weak point?How can we structure your
training to target that? What is your weak point?
And just like super customized based off the individual.
(20:16):
And then we can weave all that together and then build a
structured building plan for everybody that's that's gone
through this cut. So they have a very tangible
road map as to how to get better.
That's. Awesome.
So and, and just touching on thestage photos, we were just
talking about that this morning when we were doing our posing
practice. Is it worth getting the stage
photos? Is it not worth getting the
stage photos? You want to spend the money on
(20:38):
it. I always opt for the stage
photos because going back to my very first competition, I wasn't
sure if I wanted to get stage photos because I, you know, I
didn't look like I didn't feel like I looked like I belonged on
stage. And most first time competitors
are like, well, I'm not lean enough.
I'm this, I'm that whatever theydon't want to like bookmark or
ever look back on that. But this is probably a pivotal
(21:03):
moment in your life. If you never do another show,
you're going to in five years, 10 years, whatever, you're going
to be like, man, I should have got the stage photos because I
dieded way down. I looked amazing compared to how
I look now or whatever. Or maybe you're, you do end up
doing a whole bunch more shows in the future, which is what I
ended up doing. Now I have those first stage
(21:23):
photos to compare to, like this prep stage photos and last
year's prep stage photos. And it's like you stack them
side by side and it's crazy the amount of visual progress and
size and definition and everything that you can see
because you got those professional photos done.
Totally worth it 100%. And this is, I mean, this is not
even a sales pitch on our part because the stage photos for my
(21:46):
show, like I don't get any of that money.
That's all going straight to photographers.
Like that's not going into my account at all.
That goes straight to him. But he's a professional
competitive bodybuilding photographer.
So like, it's going to be reallywell done.
He's going to have all the stageshots and then he's also going
to have a backstage intermission.
Like people can get photos during the intermission with
(22:08):
like a a black backdrop and everything.
So really just it's going to be awesome.
No distraction. What do you truly look like in
the right lighting, in the rightenvironment?
And how can you get better So. At your at your peak, you know.
Speaking of photos, this isn't photo related, but we're going
to be able to live stream the competition, I tell you that.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're going to just.
(22:29):
So we can rig. Up one of their cameras, right?
Yeah, So we're going to be able to sync it to, I think my
YouTube channel and the whole competition will be live
streamed. It's not going to be like
changing camera angles or anything fancy, but it'll be
just like a full full frontal wide angle stage shot of the
stage. So that will be, there shouldn't
be any hiccups with that. I hope not, but I should be able
(22:50):
to just sync my YouTube channel to it and it shouldn't be live
streamed on my YouTube channel Saturday.
That'll be awesome. That'll be an awesome.
People that can't attend in person, but they should because
it's going to be awesome if you can make it won't.
Be any cost to watch the live. Stream no no no cost to watch
the live stream so that'd be good this week is going to be a
(23:11):
busy week bro. We've got a lot to do A.
Lot of details. A lot of details.
A lot of packing stuff up, kind of just staging what we're
bringing. Over.
You and I were both going cross eyed on Friday, looking at
spreadsheets and computer screens.
And then finally we're like, man, we're just chasing our tail
right now. We just got to go home, get some
sleep and then restart the next week.
(23:33):
Because really and truly I feel like there's nothing that we
could have done to get to this point that we haven't already
done. Oh yeah, we've done.
I mean, literally the way I wantto feel about a prep, like when
I go into a prep, a competition is like, I don't want to leave
anything to chance. No stone left unturned, no
regrets. I want to give everything I've
got leading up to this moment and I feel like we've done that
(23:54):
with this prep itself, like thiscompetition, like I can't think
of anything from an organizational standpoint or a
promotional standpoint or a marketing standpoint that we
could have done that we didn't do.
Totally agree there's. Probably something out there,
but you can only do the best forwhat you got with what you know.
So it's like we're rocking it. We are rocking it.
I'm excited. I'm excited too.
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So in light of all that we have left to do, let's make this a
shorter work episode so we can get to work because I'm assuming
next week's work episodes probably going to be on the
longer side because we're going to be talking about the show and
how it went after the fact, plussome other exciting things we
got cooking. So Greg, regardless of the
placing, I'm obviously not involved with the judging at
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all, but regardless of the placing this weekend, I'm super
proud of you as a competitor andas someone that's been as
involved with the show as you have been.
I owe you a ton and you're my best friends, man Thank you.
Thank you, appreciate it. An awesome journey.
You pay me in bricks. I'll pay in bricks.
Can I? I am excited.
One of those white chocolate peppermint bricks.
Yeah, maybe I'm excited. Just one last little tidbit.
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I'm excited for the offseason build phase where I can just
after a workout, just plow down a whole brick.
Yeah. So I haven't been able to do
that in a while that. 'D be good.
Well, it's going to be good too,because you get a lot more size
on you than me. So I'm motivated to get my butt
in the gear with this building phase because there's strong
points that you have that I don't have that I got to.
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And vice versa. Bring up.
So I don't know that I've got any strong points that you don't
have as far as like Musk their developments concerned, but I
just get lean. I get crazy lean but you get me
beat on size all day long. OK.
All right. So time will tell ma'am, time
appreciate that. But until next time brother
Tata. Now let's get Tata.
Well, good morning. What's up dude, how you doing
man? You want the honest.
Truth, honest truth. Lay it on me.
I feel like crap, but not really.
I mean, been here before this peak week.
It's Monday. It's good.
I feel hungry, irritable, deflated, depleted, kind of
sore. You know, all the above, all the
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peak week things. Hey, let me show these pictures
live. What pictures that took a
picture of your booty? That look at the ratings.
No, we got some glute pictures, like look, there's you from the
back. Oh Dang.
So you can see the glutes are coming.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then from the side, check
that out. Hot Dang.
So you want to highlight that, man, you got them in.
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You just got to pose them because if I mean.
I thought it was on the old IG. Yeah, when you get, when you get
glutes, you got to, you got to show, show the glutes.
I've never had dialed in glutes.I've never actually, I guess
I've never really strived to because I've never done
bodybuilding. What was the your weight?
Your last? Not your last show this year,
but your last competitive season.
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I think it was right over 190 ish, maybe like low 190's.
So you're a little leaner now. You've likely built some muscle.
Oh yeah, my legs are way bigger.So yeah, I mean, I feel like, I
feel like if you were to come inlike as gnarly as possible, you
would be 180 right now. That would be gnarly.
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That would be, yeah, and you could do it, but you've already
been prepping since January. Yeah.
This is the most gnarly you've ever looked though, Yeah?
For sure, for sure this is the best prep. 100%.
And despite having crazy binge sesh last.
It only happened once. Yeah, it only happened.
Once. But the the that message I sent
you, I'm just going to rattle itoff super quick because it's in
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here after I had that crazy overeating extravaganza last
Sunday. We talked about on the last.
One we did talk about on the last one because there was a
couple people that actually chimed in and they're like, Oh
my God, I relate to that so much.
Whatever, where's that message? Sunday evening I had all that
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food. Monday morning I weighed a
197.3. So up 7 lbs.
Nail my macros, nail my sodium, double my water.
Next morning I was 196, the nextmorning I was 195, and then
Thursday after Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, I weighed
190. One and.
Then I had to refeed that week on Friday and I woke up at 187.
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Today I'm 190 so. This is a perfect testament to
why if you go off the rails, youcan't stay off the.
Rails no jump right back on. Immediately you said something.
I think it may have been the last work podcast and I've since
used it in talk with people. But the tires you get a flat
tire, don't slash the other three.
Yeah, that's perfect. So I heard that somewhere else
that was that's floating on the Internet.
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Hey, well, it's good I used it. So yeah, this week is peak week.
This is Monday. When this goes live on Friday,
the show is the next day. Which is crazy and we got 30
competitors, 30 competitors. That is solid for year one.
Yeah, that was kind of like our goal was to have 30 competitors
and we hit that goal last minuteon deadline Sunday.
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And I didn't know what a realistic goal would or should
be. I mean, I've talked to a lot of
several first time promoters andthey're like, look man, my first
show I had nine people, had eight people.
You know, it'll it'll get betterfrom there.
You just got to start and make it happen.
So the fact that we have 30 coming out inaugural year guns a
blazing, I feel pretty good about that.
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Feel really good about that. I do too.
That's going to be awesome. I.
Wish we had more female competitors.
I went a couple years ago, I wasinvited to do a test dredging at
an all female show. I think it was in Duluth, it was
in Minnesota. I want to say they only had like
7 registered competitors and I knew a couple of the competitors
just because they were like friends and they were local and
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one of them stuck came out and found me, you know, before the
event and she's like there's only like 7 or 8 people
registered. She was so bummed.
Yeah. Because you put all that time
and effort in and then get thereand the event is really, really
small. And it wasn't the first year.
Yeah, I think it was just lack of promotion.
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Will that able to learn it. For everybody, I mean, like it
sucks for the competitors because like they want to be
able to compete against, you know, a stacked class.
Plus from a pro qualifying standpoint, you have to have,
you know, ample people getting in that class.
So like you don't want to be theonly person on stage.
And then from a promoter standpoint, like there's a whole
bunch of, you know, fixed overhead costs regardless of how
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many people show up, right. So you count on there being more
attendance and more registrations to help cut some
of that cost. And if there's not like you
still have that fixed cost, likewe're definitely not breaking
even on the show. We're losing money for sure
because we kind of went over thetop with some things, but we
wanted to do that. We knew that going in.
It's like, look, we're going to make this show so freaking
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amazing that it can't help but grow, and I feel like that will
be the case. That's the thing, like even if
you're in a small show, it's kind of kind of puts that I'll
feeling in your head of like, wow, I probably went to this one
next year, you know, just because I don't.
Think any superiority is going to be able to walk away No man
like. No, it's not.
Not for ours. Not only do we have enough to
make it like a very worthwhile show, and we've got three, maybe
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4 pro qualifying classes depending on shakes out this
last little bit, but we for surehave 3.
And not by hair either like we got 3 salt pro.
Yeah, they're stacked classes. And, and then maybe a fourth and
it's like, I don't know, we're, we're going all out and I'm, I'm
excited. I keep saying that, but I am
truly excited. I'm stressed, I'm sleep
deprived, I'm anxious, but I am excited.
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And I'm by the chicken wings on Sunday.
I don't care what my coach. Says on Sunday, Yeah.
Hey, well, what, You're going tohave barbecue on Saturday too?
Because my dad's going to be this.
Oh yeah, BBQ. So you have that and then I'm
taking all you out to Brazilian Steakhouse.
In a week. Or two, yeah, a week or two when
everybody's back in town. So that'll be good.
Yes, that'll be good. It's weird, man.
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Let's talk about a little coffeechat last week.
And except I was only drinking coffee, but like everybody came
into the. There's only three of us.
It was Friday, so it's pretty. We don't do production on
Friday. Oh yes, on Friday morning.
Yeah, I'm there. So over.
On the I come in the building and Ellen's all bummed.
You're all bummed. I'm also kind of bummed because
I've just been like short tempered and irritable as well.
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And I'm like, how's it been doing?
This morning? I tried to be chippering at me.
They're just like, oh, I'm fine just walking into a bunch of
Eeyore. Like Bah humbug.
Yeah, and it's like, all right, we're going to do a coffee chat.
So I made a cup of coffee, we all gathered around the futon,
futon. And we just laid it all out
there, vented a little bit, spoke our frustrations, got them
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off our chest and into the air. And then we got optimistic and
grateful. And I felt that was, I felt that
was good. I felt like we all, we all
benefited from that. I've benefited from.
Yeah. I did too.
It's. Weird.
I was kind of like I was saying then it's like I'm not in prep
right now, but I feel like I'm in prep kind of because all the
the weight of the competitors I'm putting on my shoulders.
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Plus I've got so many of my clients competing in this show
and I'm hearing all of their, you know, anxious feelings.
So I'm wearing then and then I'mthe one putting on the show.
So it's like I wanted to be a good experience for everybody
and then go smoothly. And then you're not only
competing in in prep, which is astress in and of itself, but
you're also like a massive part in organizing all of this.
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So it's kind of crazy, man. Like when you actually step back
and look at it like it's, it's alot.
It's a lot. I feel like next year is going
to be so much easier for both ofus.
For one, I won't be prepping actually to participate on stage
in the competition, so that won't even be a component.
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But then we'll have so many of these things already figured out
and how we can they'll just be that much easier to pull the
trigger on a second time. Which is being more organized.
They'd be like a show itself. Like the first show you do is
always the hardest show because you lack perspective.
The first show you promote, it'sthe hardest show to promote
because you lack perspective. So we'll have that clarity going
forward and just keeps getting better and better so.
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Just fine tune it. What else we want to talk.
About we you you said You're sleep deprived, you said.
Yeah, well, before I talk about sleep optimization, let's talk
about how terrible my sleep is. I talk about sleep a lot because
it's so important. I've had several people on the
podcast talking about sleep optimization, and I've done a
lot of things to get that dialedin, like cranking the thermostat
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down in the house, wearing sleeping eye mask, eye mask,
which helps a lot. I got a pretty slick eye mask.
But now that we have another kid, like Crystal is sleeping
with Hazen on top of her 'cause he's feeding throughout the
night. Rigel's next to me in his own
little crib adjacent to my side of the bed.
So he rolls over on me often times.
But because we have a baby, I can't crank the thermostat way
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down. So I got a one of those chili
pad things, Sweet. And we hooked it up.
It like filters water through the mattress Topper and you can
set it to whatever temperature you want.
So I've been setting to like 57°.
It goes from like 55 to 115. And you can change the
temperature throughout the nightvia your app on whatever program
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you want. So I've just been leaving it at
57 and I get cold, man. Like I woke up last night and I
was cold, cold. Like I had to go get in a
blanket because you've got is inthe past, you know, I have
Rigel's body heat on me and thenunder the covers of crystal.
So that's more body heat and thermostats cranked up.
So I just woke up hot and sweating more often than not,
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especially if I had a bunch of protein before going to bed.
And with this, that doesn't happen.
Like you crank it down and you're just cold.
Nice. I like it, but the the sleep in
general, this is not good. Like I am not getting enough
total hours of sleep. And this weekend back story
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here. So we're going to get chickens,
right? Clancy's got somebody there,
there some chickens up for sale.We're going to get 10 chickens
so we can get back into the homesteading chicken game.
And I didn't have a chicken yardset up, so I had to build a
chicken yard so that Diesel wouldn't kill these chickens as
well. And so I spent all weekend
impromptu making the chicken yard, you know, driving post,
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digging holes, breaking rock. In the rain, because it rained
all week. Rained all weekend long so I was
just somping wet the entire weekend and man I was I'm so
sore right now. I, I train hard, I don't ever
get sore from my training. Like I trained pretty much full
body every day of the week except for like one or two and I
am way more sore now than I haveever been from training because
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everything on my property is rock.
There's like 2 rocks to 1 dirt. I remember when we were trying
to dig holes. Oh man, so it's like
predominantly breaker bar action, not post hole digger and
just that repetitive motion beating the hell out of the
ground with that thing. And then yeah, I'm, I'm.
How do your? How are your joints like?
How are your shoulders and elbows?
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I got tendonitis in my elbow, myleft elbow, the repetitive
motion of that, plus the T post driver, and I got a really
crappy T post driver and he was just jarring the hell out of me.
I woke up on Saturday 5 lbs lighter from all the sweat,
well, our Sunday rather from allthe sweat that I'd lost.
And then I woke up this morning.I just whooped, man.
I'm so exhausted. I did not get the recuperative
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rest and relaxing weekend beforegoing into the show that I
probably needed to get, but thiswas the only timeline to make
this fence because I wouldn't have any time this week with the
show. So it is what it is.
I got an awesome fence now so I'm proud of that, but man I am
beat the hell for sure. Well, rest and recover this week
if you can, or go easy or whatever.
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I did a lighter workout today like I did a bunch of stretching
stuff. How was your workout today?
Good. Do you have this was your last
heavy day? I did full intensity today, I'll
do a full intensity tomorrow andthen Wednesday I'll start
tapering Wednesday, Thursday. So you're in the home stretch
for sure, ma'am, and I'm probably going to just are you
going to work? I mean, Thursday you are tapered
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pretty good, but are you going to go to like Ozark and do
something? You're going to come.
Here I will probably still hit Ozark this week just because I
want to hit stairs tomorrow morning because we have the live
call in the evening. Stairs Wednesday morning.
Probably just hit stairs every morning.
OK, we'll see for the stairs toothough.
Yeah. So you're doing how many
minutes? 20.
And then tomorrow you'll do 20 minutes, and then Wednesday,
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probably 15, Thursday 10. Yeah, Friday, probably nothing
but walking taper. All of it, yeah.
Super low intensity Friday. Sounds good you have the refeed
on Friday and. Friday night.
Bonded perfectly to the refeeds this past week.
My leg. Day on Saturday was insane.
Yep. Good pump, good vascularity.
Yeah, crazy. Rocking it, ma'am, rocking it
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without carbs, without carbs. How how did you do that?
How did you had a pump and and vascularity without carbs?
I I don't understand you sure you you didn't sneak some carbs
in? Yeah, the.
Snickers on the way to the gym. Snickers on the way to the gym.
There you go. We're making some sample bricks
today. So I got a few new flavors in
the pipeline. Not anytime super soon.
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We got to like, it's crazy how much in advance we have to make
the samples to see if we want toactually mass produce the
samples. And then we have to order the
film ingredients, all that stufflike months in advance.
So don't hold your breath. But we do have some new flavors
that we're working on, so that'sexciting.
You just can't eat them. Yeah, yeah.
I'll eat them Saturday. Saturday.
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So Saturday let's talk about your questions on you were going
to ask me about show day, nutrition timing and stuff.
Let's just tackle that now. Oh, Saturday morning.
So in the past what I do is I'vegot like a Google doc in my
Google folder, whatever. And for peak week and show day,
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I like to have like this worksheet that kind of just maps
out the day so I don't have to think about it.
I'm just thinking through in advance and just jot it all
down. So I put stuff in there like
when my tanning is, when my polygraph is, hotel details, all
that kind of stuff. It's just like a master sheet,
but based on estimated time on stage.
I also try to reverse engineer or work backwards from that as
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far as what time I should have my refeed on Friday night.
So I'm thinking I'll do it probably the same time, like
6/30, 7:00, somewhere in there on Friday night.
I'm assuming I'll be on stage. With tanning, is it Friday on at
5 right at? 5 So after tanning, I'll go
home, make something to eat and whatever, but I'm going to stay
at the hotel just so I'm with all the other competitors.
So then Saturday morning, typically what I had done is
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like a fatty coffee upon waking up, wait like 45 minutes an
hour, maybe have another fatty coffee depending on timing,
maybe a light breakfast, couple eggs, bacon, little bit of salt,
electrolytes, that kind of stuff.
And then quarter brick probably every what hour, hour and a
half. Yeah, So what time you think you
wake up on Saturday? I'm an early riser no matter
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what, so I mean I'll probably beup 456.
OK, so you can have your fatty coffee fattier than normal and
you can go heavy with the fat onthis one.
So because you're not going to be losing anybody fat day of.
So I normally do, you know, 4 to6 tablespoons of heavy cream and
a tablespoon of butter on that first fatty coffee.
So you could have that and then you could have a second one
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probably about 45 minutes to an hour after.
And then with that second one, or if you wanted to wait 45
minutes to an hour, you can havedepend on what time you wake up,
you could have probably two or three pieces of bacon, two or
three eggs, whole eggs. And then that would probably put
you at around 6:00 or 7:00 in the morning, probably 6:00 if
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you wake up earlier. And then from there, probably
every hour I would do a quarter of a keto brick.
And then you'll probably be stepping on stage where you're
doing classic and bodybuilding at around 1 I.
Guess that's something. And after the intermission.
Yeah, so probably around 1:00. So if you have, you know, 1/4
keto brick every hour from, you know, 7 to 88 to 99 to 10 maybe
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every hour and a half, and then probably have your last quarter
of a keto brick 45 minutes before you start pumping up.
That should work out perfectly. OK, time extend.
And then just make sure you're sipping water.
And then we'll kind of be looking at you backstage.
Make sure you're not holding water, you're not flushing too
much water, just making sure everything's good.
What about electrolytes in the morning?
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Yeah, you can do your normal electrolyte dosage and then just
bring salt with you. So if we need to add more salts,
you know, impromptu day, we can.But yeah, I'd bring just brick
salt water with you to show to the show and then we can adjust
real time as needed. You're.
Gonna bring those samples. Oh those would be good.
Yeah, having to go to town on your draped electrolytes.
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Your salty salty. Those are my yeah.
They sent me a jam, right? Bag of those are pretty good.
Those are good relights. Good.
There's some electrolyte branch right now.
Yeah, there's a bunch coming outnow too.
It keeps seeing more and more I.Would think that that's kind of
like a saturated market, but it's got to be, I guess there's
enough demand to warrant more people coming in, I think.
I think they're kind of in the spotlight.
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You doing creatine right now? Yeah, you've been consistent
with that. How many?
Grams, you know, every single morning heaping, heaping scoop.
So it's probably, I don't know, close to 8G.
I've been, I just started doing creatine again like literally
last week. I've been using those keto
brains creatine because. It was 6 hours.
So I'm doing like 20 grams a dayright now of that because I'm if
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I spread it out with every electrolyte drink throughout the
day, I don't have any GI distress.
If you do 20 grams in one dose you would.
You can so I. I just been doing them and I
feel I don't have a funny different one taking
supplements, but I feel like it's not going to hurt anything.
So doing that again. I'm excited for the building
phase for the both of. Us.
I am too. Because kind of like I was
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telling you Friday when that we had that coffee meeting, I feel
like for the past, like my last show was in 23 and I feel like
I've just been treading water tosome extent since then.
Because in 24 we had the cacao crisis.
So like that was so focused and I was just kind of like treading
water with my training and everything still going hard and
going heavy and stuff, but not super structured.
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And in this year, it's been likefiguring out tallow in light of
the cacao crisis and all the competition stuff.
So I've not really been able to just focus solely on my building
training, but I think with you and I being on the same page and
planning on competing against one another in 27, we can both
just rally behind 26 being a really solid building year.
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So we'll get you through this reverse diet period.
And I'm excited about the tribe calls after this show.
I was. Just going to say because we're
going to kind of pull the Tribe into an offseason build phase,
proper reverse. And the cool thing about the
competition or just being reallylean in general as you can't
really tell what your weak spotsare when you're at a heavier
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body fan. Like your legs for instance.
Your legs may look big and jacked but like you hold a lot
of body fat in your legs, not you specific.
Absolutely. Yep, and glutes.
So it's very deceiving because you think you've got massive
legs and you diet down. You're like, man, where'd my
legs go? Where'd my butt go?
But when you're dialed in, you can see those weak points very
clearly. And if you've got the stage
photos, This is why I recommend stage photos for everybody,
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whether they plan on competing again or not.
Like having that clarity as to what your weak points are.
And then you can develop a structured training routine to
target those weak points. So we'll integrate all of that
into the tribe calls, like the reverse diet, the reverse, you
know, phase six, phase 7, how toget back to a healthy baseline
and you know, be psychologicallyand emotionally well through it
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all. And then we'll develop.
Well, this is what I'm excited to do.
Once we're all back to baseline,I'm going to get all the tribe
calls members and look at all oftheir photos from this cut.
Oh yeah. And I'm like, OK, individually,
what is what is your weak point?How can we structure your
training to target that? What is your weak point?
And just like super customized based off the individual.
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And then we can weave all that together and then build a
structured building plan for everybody that's that's gone
through this cut. So they have a very tangible
road map as to how to get better.
That's. Awesome.
So and, and just touching on thestage photos, we were just
talking about that this morning when we were doing our posing
practice. Is it worth getting the stage
photos? Is it not worth getting the
stage photos? You want to spend the money on
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it. I always opt for the stage
photos because going back to my very first competition, I wasn't
sure if I wanted to get stage photos because I, you know, I
didn't look like I didn't feel like I looked like I belonged on
stage. And most first time competitors
are like, well, I'm not lean enough.
I'm this, I'm that whatever theydon't want to like bookmark or
ever look back on that. But this is probably a pivotal
(21:03):
moment in your life. If you never do another show,
you're going to in five years, 10 years, whatever, you're going
to be like, man, I should have got the stage photos because I
dieded way down. I looked amazing compared to how
I look now or whatever. Or maybe you're, you do end up
doing a whole bunch more shows in the future, which is what I
ended up doing. Now I have those first stage
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photos to compare to, like this prep stage photos and last
year's prep stage photos. And it's like you stack them
side by side and it's crazy the amount of visual progress and
size and definition and everything that you can see
because you got those professional photos done.
Totally worth it 100%. And this is, I mean, this is not
even a sales pitch on our part because the stage photos for my
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show, like I don't get any of that money.
That's all going straight to photographers.
Like that's not going into my account at all.
That goes straight to him. But he's a professional
competitive bodybuilding photographer.
So like, it's going to be reallywell done.
He's going to have all the stageshots and then he's also going
to have a backstage intermission.
Like people can get photos during the intermission with
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like a a black backdrop and everything.
So really just it's going to be awesome.
No distraction. What do you truly look like in
the right lighting, in the rightenvironment?
And how can you get better So. At your at your peak, you know.
Speaking of photos, this isn't photo related, but we're going
to be able to live stream the competition, I tell you that.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're going to just.
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So we can rig. Up one of their cameras, right?
Yeah, So we're going to be able to sync it to, I think my
YouTube channel and the whole competition will be live
streamed. It's not going to be like
changing camera angles or anything fancy, but it'll be
just like a full full frontal wide angle stage shot of the
stage. So that will be, there shouldn't
be any hiccups with that. I hope not, but I should be able
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to just sync my YouTube channel to it and it shouldn't be live
streamed on my YouTube channel Saturday.
That'll be awesome. That'll be an awesome.
People that can't attend in person, but they should because
it's going to be awesome if you can make it won't.
Be any cost to watch the live. Stream no no no cost to watch
the live stream so that'd be good this week is going to be a
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busy week bro. We've got a lot to do A.
Lot of details. A lot of details.
A lot of packing stuff up, kind of just staging what we're
bringing. Over.
You and I were both going cross eyed on Friday, looking at
spreadsheets and computer screens.
And then finally we're like, man, we're just chasing our tail
right now. We just got to go home, get some
sleep and then restart the next week.
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Because really and truly I feel like there's nothing that we
could have done to get to this point that we haven't already
done. Oh yeah, we've done.
I mean, literally the way I wantto feel about a prep, like when
I go into a prep, a competition is like, I don't want to leave
anything to chance. No stone left unturned, no
regrets. I want to give everything I've
got leading up to this moment and I feel like we've done that
(23:54):
with this prep itself, like thiscompetition, like I can't think
of anything from an organizational standpoint or a
promotional standpoint or a marketing standpoint that we
could have done that we didn't do.
Totally agree there's. Probably something out there,
but you can only do the best forwhat you got with what you know.
So it's like we're rocking it. We are rocking it.
I'm excited. I'm excited too.
(24:15):
So in light of all that we have left to do, let's make this a
shorter work episode so we can get to work because I'm assuming
next week's work episodes probably going to be on the
longer side because we're going to be talking about the show and
how it went after the fact, plussome other exciting things we
got cooking. So Greg, regardless of the
placing, I'm obviously not involved with the judging at
(24:36):
all, but regardless of the placing this weekend, I'm super
proud of you as a competitor andas someone that's been as
involved with the show as you have been.
I owe you a ton and you're my best friends, man Thank you.
Thank you, appreciate it. An awesome journey.
You pay me in bricks. I'll pay in bricks.
Can I? I am excited.
One of those white chocolate peppermint bricks.
Yeah, maybe I'm excited. Just one last little tidbit.
(24:58):
I'm excited for the offseason build phase where I can just
after a workout, just plow down a whole brick.
Yeah. So I haven't been able to do
that in a while that. 'D be good.
Well, it's going to be good too,because you get a lot more size
on you than me. So I'm motivated to get my butt
in the gear with this building phase because there's strong
points that you have that I don't have that I got to.
(25:20):
And vice versa. Bring up.
So I don't know that I've got any strong points that you don't
have as far as like Musk their developments concerned, but I
just get lean. I get crazy lean but you get me
beat on size all day long. OK.
All right. So time will tell ma'am, time
appreciate that. But until next time brother
Tata. Now let's get Tata.
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