April 24, 2025 • 30 mins
This episode features Sloane Quealy-Miner, President and Co-Founder of Zion's Mission Animal Rescue in New York City. She shares the dark world of dog fighting and its implications for community safety and animal welfare. Sloane will also discuss her expertise on recognizing signs of dog fighting, understanding its connection to other forms of violence, and the challenging but rewarding work of rehabilitating survivors. Learn about the vital role of community education, effective legislation, and how everyday citizens can help combat this cruel practice. Whether you're an animal advocate, community leader, or concerned citizen, this episode provides essential insights into fighting animal cruelty and creating safer communities for both pets and people.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to Save a Pooch on pet Life Radio. I
am Beverly and lay your house. Thank you for listening
in Today we have two special guests. Today we have Sloan,
a minor, a president and a co founder of Zion's
Mission Animal Rescue in Queens, New York. She also has Marabel,
who is the director of Community Outreach and Events. So
(00:34):
with a dedication to animal welfare and experienced supporting rights,
SLODA has become a powerful voice in combating dog fighting
and advocating for the survivors. So through the organization, they
lead crucial efforts in rescuing, rehabilitating, and rehoming animals while
working to educate communities about the impact of animal cruelty.
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So when we get back from these message we will
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Welcome back to Saba Booch. We are talking with Sloan
Minor and Marabel from the Zion's Mission Animal Rescue. Thank
you guys for taking the time today. Your guys' work
in addressing dog fighting, I say, I think this is
the first one I've talked about on my show so far,
and it's impact on communities is super important. So let's
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start with your journey, Sloan. What drove you to establish
Scion's Mission Atible Rescue and how has your background in
activism shaped your approach to rescue work.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So when I was growing up, my mom always worked
at shelters, so we've always been like a rescue family.
So when I was growing up, we primarily we only
rescued cats. My mom worked at shelters, like before social media,
before all of those things, so she instilled in me
and sort of fostered my compassion and my love and
(02:57):
drive to help the animals. So you know, as I
grew up, I always had a focus on helping our
four legged friends. In my experience, I've always sort of
been more bonded with animals initially than people. And as
I know, millions of people can say animals have helped
(03:18):
me through some of the toughest times of my life.
So I always wanted to pay it back, I say,
pot forward and give back to them because they were
there for me at my most vulnerable times. So initially
I was involved in a lot of animal rights activism
in terms of anti medical testing. So you know, we
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worked on a campaigns called the Shack Campaign Stop Huntington
Animal Cruelty for years and that involved doing home demonstrations.
That was the first campaign that actually targeted the money
of the facility, Huntington Life Science. So what we would
do is the Care Campaign was a global campaign. What
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we would do is when somebody invested in Huntington Life Science,
we would go after that company to divest. So we
would go if Bristol Squibs invest it in Huntington Life Science,
we would go to the houses of the President, the
vice president of Bristol Myers and protest outside, hand out
leaflets and get them to divest, and everybody in this
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global campaign would do that. It was the first campaign
that actually that actually targeted them financially. To make a
long story short, that actually became now it's illegal to
target a company like that financially. And there were actually
seven people who were jailed. They're called the Shack seven,
and they were jailed for basically free speech and handing
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out leaflets and showing up and encouraging these people by
doing home demonstrations to divest. And the company was actually
brought to its knees and their NASDAC their ticker went
from like, you know whatever, what was it thirty dollars
to begin with, down down to a penny. And what
happened was that the right when they were gonna shut
(05:08):
down because Hunting Life Science was also based in England
and in New Jersey, which is why it was a
global campaign, what happened was they somebody another corporation came
in and saved them, you know. So that was one
of my biggest campaigns and it was also one of
the biggest heartbreaks because stopping medical animal testing is something
(05:29):
that is super passionate for so many people, and in
this day and age, it's not necessary when in fact,
ninety percent of the drugs that they're testing on these
animals are their bodies aren't the same as ours, and
they fail not to mention the you know, the brutal
acts of just testing for on toothpaste or household products
like chlorox. People don't realize what they do to the animals. So,
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you know, it's just a barbaric practice that is totally
unnecessary in twenty twenty five. So fortunately there's been a
lot of progress and there's an amazing group called Bagle
Freedom Project run by one of my friends, Shannon Keith,
and she actually takes all of the animals, like the
beagles and the different animals out of the medical testing
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facilities when they retire them. And so she's since she's
a lawyer, she's passed legislation in multiple states.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Oh good.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, So she's really huge and she was like a
huge inspiration for me as well. And then from that
we segued into rescuing one animal at a time, if
you will. So that's sort of how I was brought
into animal rescue.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Wow, you you started off with a bang. Then instead
of the opposite of starting small, you just amazing. Good
for you man, that is awesome And you know what, Yeah,
we do need more people like that on the medical
front for sure. Now, can you help our listeners understand
the connection between dogfighting other forms of community violence? Like
(06:54):
where I am, I don't see it. It's not common,
so I don't know if it's underground, it's an underground
or if it's a location thing.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
No.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So our community is basically Rockaway and Queens and Rockaway
and Far Rockaway. There's a huge constituency of residents that
are underserved and underprivileged, and there's a lot of projects,
there's a lot of low economic income if you will.
So there there is a lot of dog fighting on
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multiple forefronts. So, for example, one of the most recent
cases that we've been working on, there's a project called
Hammelhouses in Rockaway, and those people who are fighting dogs
in there, it's multiple people when they fight the dogs.
As per our witness accounts, the people we've interviewed, the
people who speak to us, they fight them in the hallways.
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They're very brazen. They fight them in the hallways. Sometimes
the residents have told me that they get trapped in
elevators and they have to want stay the elevator because
they're fighting the dogs. There are certain apartments that everybody
knows that they fight the dogs, and then they do
another thing too. Some of the dog fighters they'll date
different women, and when those women are at work or
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whatever they do, they're taking over their apartments. So one
of the residents told me that actually they had a
developedly mentally challenged daughter and the daughter went over to
one to an apartment in the project to see her friend,
and when she walked in, there was like a trail
of blood and that animal was screaming on the floor,
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and that she watched the animal die. And the mom
told me that the daughter is still has like PTSD
from it. And apparently the woman who the boyfriend had
moved in was doing this while this woman was at work,
and you know, they said she didn't know about it.
So they do that, so they use apartments, They use
their own apartments. The one specific person that we know
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of now that we've been trying to get the authority
to do something, one of the witnesses said that they've
been in the apartment and they actually because they breed
and they fight. So they bought a dog from them.
They went in the apartment they'd bought a puppy, and
they said, the whole apartment is just like dog kennels,
and the floors all ripped up. They even made the
(09:09):
oven a dog kennel with the with babies, you know,
like so like they put the babies in there because
they will have three litters at a time in there
because they're breeding. They're using the animals as like an atm.
So the problem is multi faceted because not only do
you have animal abuse going on, but this specific person
I know is eating the girlfriend you have. Everybody knows
(09:30):
that animal violence escalates to human violence, so you have
that going on. And then you also have a lot
of children in the mix here because these children are
growing up with these people and or just witnessing this
happening in the building and people getting away with it,
and this becomes normalized. So you have, you know, a
younger generation learning this is okay. Right. You have people
(09:53):
in the building being held hostage by this criminal activity,
and you have the people who are maybe even with
these guys or the girls who are doing it, that
are also in physically abusive situations, and then you have
the lasting effect obviously on the animals, which is absolutely
like heinous ex of cruelty being coming at them. And
(10:13):
then you have some of the residents also tell me
that they don't even take their dogs out anymore, and
their dogs just pee on peepads. They're afraid to take
them outside. So you have people in there with dogs
who haven't gone out in years. Because these people, when
they do take their dogs out, they often let them
run the hallways, and so there's been altercations with the
dogs jumping on people, running attacking other dogs because they
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train the dogs to use anything as baits, so like
when they find there's a huge problem because with the
cat rescuers there too, in the cat feeders, because they
bring the dogs out at night and they theyn't sick
them on the cats. So you know, you got feral
colonies right that are being affected. You have cats that
are you know, cats also outside cats. It's so bizarre
(10:58):
to me because people see an outside kat and they said, oh,
it's just a cat, Like they suffer in silence, but
they suffer right in front of everybody. So you know,
you have all these animals being affected they use possums,
they use squirrels, they use they let them fight with raccoons,
so they do. You know, nothing is off limits here,
and everybody is afraid to speak, so they'll talk to me.
(11:20):
But then they they're very scared because they have to
live here. The other part of the problem is now
you have a lack of enforcement on the laws, you
have a lack of the authorities coming in. We were
at NYPD one hundredth Precinct community meeting. I was there
with our sister Rescue Sasha's Mission Kim, and we go
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into all these places and together we're collecting all of
this information. And when Kim and I were there, you know,
we were explaining to them, you want all these people
to come forward who are stuck in these housing projects,
and then what if they come forward, You guys don't
do anything anyway, So now you hung them out to dry.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah, So it's really sort of a perfect storm for
these criminals to continue to act like that, and that's
why they fight them in the hallways. It doesn't matter
what time of day it is or a night, because
they're so abrazen, because they know no one's coming. They
know they're not going to get in trouble, oh boy.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
And if I could jump in with some statistics, you know,
it's a lot of individuals, or I should really say abusers,
not just in Hammel houses or in Rockaway, Queens like
a lot of them usually are tied in New York State.
If you were to get arrested for animal cruelty because
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of our laws in New York State, which you know
are very archaic, usually these abusers get jail time if
it's tied into another crime like drug use or abusing
of people. So you know about seventy percent of people
who are charged with animal abuse are also people who
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have been charged with other types of felonies prior to
that rest. So you know, on the animal rights side,
we're advocating to stop these animal abusers, but we should
be getting more help from the public in general and
also with our police community as well to stop these
abusers because if they can do this to any dog
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or any animal, they are definitely doing it to our
community and it just becomes a public safety as well
where they're fighting the dogs, but they could also be
selling drugs. Many people are allegedly tied to gangs, so
it's just safety concerns for any living being.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Absolutely, and in the Hammel houses, the gang that is
doing the primarily stuff that we're investigating their crips. So
and they're also running the dogs into far Rockaway and
they have gang houses over there where they have big
kennels and stuff that they keep them. And you know
when we were at the community board meeting the one hundred,
well we were at a community board meeting and then
we were at the one hundred preesct meeting. You know,
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our focus isn't really on these officers. A lot of
the times the people blame the officers. There are things
in the hundred precinct like they're not responding to nine
one one calls that they do need to be held accountable.
But this is really a trickle down effect from the
top down, Like example, for our NYPD Animal Cruelty Unit,
like I can count on my hand how many times
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they've helped us, and I can tell you that that
would I wouldn't need any fingers. So you know, we
are constantly having sort of heated discussions and conversations with
not only the animal Cruelty and I put that in parenthesis,
but also the district attorney because It's just really unfathomable
to me that New York City isn't prosecuting when there
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are other counties and other districts in our state, for example,
like Suffolk, who actually make animal cruelty arrests. So we
need to enforce the laws on the books, train the
officers to respond properly. Because when I was at the meeting,
I also explained to them when you look through when
officers training, I found intro to PowerPoint multiple times on
(15:06):
different officers, but there's not one animal cruelty class and
Kim Sasha's mission for kids or cops, and the only
kind of training they have is when they are at
the academy and they have the ASPCA come in and
they do like a little presentation. So I pointed out
to them that when I pull out the comp sheet
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right and you see domestic violence, all these all these charges,
what's been going on, animal cruelty isn't listed When you
pull up the NYPD Animal Cruelty stats, it says from
last June till this past December, there were three calls
that came into the one hundred precinct, which is totally
false because I can tell you and I told them
at the meeting and everybody there. Everybody's called multiple times,
(15:49):
including people who have called nine one one in the
middle of dog fights that they were their cat feeders
were there. So they're not reporting the statistics, right, they're
not putting animal cruelty on the statuets, and they're not
making it a priority to train officers in responding to
any sort of animal call. And right there, that's signifying
to all of these officers that's not really an important issue.
(16:10):
And again that's wrong. So you know, so it's all
of the top down, trickle down effect that this is
a broken system for the animals and for the people
who are subjected to being held captive by these criminals
who are fighting dogs.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, this is a much bigger picture because now you're
exactly right, it is community safety as well.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
It's a public safety.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, we'll definitely get into that. We're just going to
have a quick break and when we get back, we'll
continue talking with Sloan and Marabel.
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Speaker 2 (17:24):
Welcome back to Save a Pooch. We are talking with
president and co founder of Zion's Mission Animal Rescue, Slow
Minor and their director of Community Outreach and Events, Mayorbel.
All Right, so, wow, the solution in all this is
so multi faceted. I wouldn't even know where to begin,
but like, how does your organization approach community outreach? I mean,
it's good that you have, like I mean somewhat of
(17:46):
connections within the police, but obviously it's not really helping.
So what can you do in those cases?
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Well, then what we're trying to do is, for example,
like yesterday and the day before. So the day before yesterday,
a woman was on Rockaway Beach boardwalk and there are
two dogos. They're Dojo Argentina and dogs. They look like pitbulls.
So people often say like, oh, there's two white pit
bulls attacking, right, But these dogs have been getting out
(18:12):
from this owner, who is clearly a degenerate for multiple reasons.
He keeps the dogs outside. He lives in an srrow.
It's alleged he's a drug problem. By observing him, it
looks that way to me. We've had multiple outreach to
people who have been attacked multiple times prior to this
woman two days ago. Because these dogs, you know, dojos,
(18:33):
are also big game hunters, right, they have a huge
high prey drive. He's weaponizing these dogs and he's letting
them go and attack people and small dogs. So this
has been going on. When somebody there called nine to
one one because she was bitten really badly trying to
get her dog away from them, and they weren't trying
to bite her necessarily, they were trying to bite the dog.
The police didn't answer the nine to one one call.
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When she went in to make the reports, she told
us that they weren't helpful and they were you know, dismissive,
and that she had to basically force them to take
the report. And then yesterday somebody else contacted us about
another situation where another person let their dog loose and
they were bid on the ankle. Then the day before
that there was somebody else that there's a police call,
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a nine to one one call from it. Another guy
let their dogs loose, and they attacked this other guy's
small dog. So this is like a huge problem in
Rockaway because none of these laws are unfortunate because there's
no police response to any animal calls. So again, these
people know I can do whatever I want.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Right And while Sloan is speaking with witnesses and you know,
the victims of these attacks and dog fighting, I'm on
the other side lobbying with you know, our local government people.
So we're very lucky to work very closely with one
of our council members, Joanne Ariola, who oversees part of
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the Rockaways up to Howard Beach, and she's a huge
animal advocate as well, so we're very lucky to have
her in her corner. But you know, she can't solve
the issue on her own. So I've been reaching out to,
you know, the assembly persons that represent the Rockaways, and
I've also reached out to the Queensborough President and their office,
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and you know, sometimes I'll get a response back and
sometimes I don't. I find that for many politicians, animals
are not on their radar. And right now New York
is going through an election cycle, so you know, right
now I'm getting more answers back to our call to
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actions and our advocacy, just because we know they're looking
for votes, they're looking for photo ops. You know they're
going to play the political game. And I'm happy to
play the political game back with them as long as
they help the cause. But it's also really disheartening to
see certain local political agencies and like you know, the
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district attorney's office and other you know, there's one assembly
woman who has promised to help us for animal rescue
and animal rights when we were handling animal sacrificing that
was happening in a nearby neighborhood. So we never heard
anything back from her. So we get a lot of
these promises from politicians who actually have power to help
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make change, and usually they don't follow through, or they
say this is much bigger than what we can do,
or they pass the book onto some other agency, and
then the work is then falling into the lapse of
local animal rescues like us that are doing our best,
but we just don't have that political or legal power
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to make the changes that we desperately need exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And I also have to, I guess, consider your own
safety as well. In this whole mix of a mess.
Let's pivot and go into the rehabilitation process for dogs
rescued from fighting situations, if they are even rescued, like
is do some even survive to get adopted out.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
In our experience, many survive, but there is a long process.
And as a rescue and as a responsible organization, when
you take any dog from any traumatic situation, whether they're
in a dog fighting or they're a bait dog, or
they're being horrifically beaten, or you know, have some sort
of extreme cruelty being placed on them, you have to
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have a trusted training process because it's irresponsible to just
take a dog that situation and then throw that dog
with somebody else, Like that's not responsible. You know, you
have a huge liability issue right there. Yeah. And the
other part about that is too that when dogs come
out of traumatic situations, any of those situations, whether it
be being beaten every day, tied to a radiator, you know,
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extreme neglect, dog fighting, anything like that, sometimes when you
first have the dog right, the dog is not feeling well,
the dog is very sick, or the dog is fear aggressive.
You know, there's all things going on, but you need
time to really let that dog be and see the
true nature of the dog. Right. So while you're having
(23:12):
that decompression time for the dog, which can take you know,
a month to three months, you really need to have
a training plan in place because you don't know what's
going to come out in that personality, right. So before
you place any of those dogs, those dogs have to
go through a major rehabilitation. So we work quite closely
with a few trainers who we utilize very often for
(23:35):
long term situations for dogs that are coming out of
you know, situations like that. And again that's because you
really need to see how that dog is gonna once
they're feeling healthy again, or once they're they're not afraid anymore,
Like what is their personality? Like who can they be around?
Who should they be around? You know what I mean
That those types of situations, we find a lot of
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times that people want to help a dog, but then
they end up the dog in a worse position and
setting the dog up for failure because you're not allowing
for all these things. You know, people will take a
dog from a bad situation and then throw the dog
with somebody else and then the dog does something and
it might not be that dog's fault necessarily, you know,
who knows what situation they put them in, you know,
especially with kids and things like that, other animals, right,
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so you really have to have a plan. And it's
not cheap to rescue a dog who's been in a
situation like that. So you also have to have resources,
you know, because you by whenever you commit to an
animal like you better be able to see that.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Through, you know, yeah, exactly. And what are some common
misconceptions that about the adoptability of dogs rescued from fighting situations? Well,
have you seen like when dogs have been rescued out,
do they get returned or do the adopters actually like
see it through?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
You know, it depends. I can't speak for a lot
of other people, but whenever we've had dogs like that,
they've seen it through. We had one very very serious
case like that, and the dog really had a hard
time with other people. He bonded specifically to the foster
at that point, but we had the trainer. First, he
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was in a board and trainer. Then he went to
the foster's house bonded with the foster, but then he
didn't want anybody else near the foster, and he really
guarded her and you know, there were a lot of issues,
and she kept him and worked really hard, but she
changed her whole life around to work so that she
could work with the trainer. And it was like, you know,
almost a year before somebody could else could come in
(25:32):
the house. You know, So even if he was in
a crate in the other room or in another room,
a freak out right, So he was trying. He wanted
to protect her. So it depends on who you're finding,
you know what I mean. But there definitely are people
who have a soft spot for the traumatic situations, you know,
Like you can just look at like the Michael Vick doos.
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Look at all those dogs that were adopted. I think
what they only put down like one or two of
those dogs, right, Like all those dogs that were those
people worked again with those dogs, and they worked with
trainers and they documented everything. So there's hope for all
of these animals. But again, you can't just classify them
as saying, oh, they're fighting dogs and so therefore this right,
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because that's making a general assumption. Every dog's an individual.
Every dog needs to be treated like an individual despite
whatever their background is.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yes, very good point. I'm glad you brought I'm really
glad you brought that out, because yes, there's there will
be stigma around.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Yeah, they need to be assessed as just one dog,
not not what they came from or whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You know, exactly their not their career.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
I think another misconception, especially in dog fighting, is you
know a lot of dog fighters use large breed dogs
like pipples, and there's always this misconception that they're aggressive
dogs and this is their natural behavior is to attack, right,
and that's not necessarily true. This behavior is being taught
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to them by the humans because there are so many animals,
they're not born that way. Some do have natural you know,
prey drives like a dogo, but you know the dog
isn't just gonna attack another dog randomly out of nowhere
in such a vicious way. That's taught behavior, and that's
trained behavior from a young age, and that could be
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worked through. So having these misconceptions of well, a pitbull
or a dog or a rottweiler, you know, any of
these dogs that usually get a negative stereotype associated with
them or a bad rep if you will, it's all
misconception based on how humans raise them, and it's not
(27:38):
how they actually are because you know, once they can
go through rehabilitation and training, the way Sloane explain, these
dogs are wonderful. They're gentle, they're loving. They've just been
taught that they need to fight or seriously protect and
they're traumatized. And you know, humans, when we get traumatized
(27:59):
in terrible situations too, we get very protective, so we
can also lash out in survival mode. So if humans
can do that, animals can do that too. And it's
all just circumstantial. And I think when we continue to
talk about specific breeds of dogs, we really need to
change our language and mindsets, and that may just have
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to come through education workshops and information given by animal
advocacy group, rescue shelters, anyone who's willing to teach about
these animals in a positive light.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
They sh sure exactly one last thing. The other thing
about they use pipples for fighting primarily too well because
of how they were what they're bred to do, you know,
but also because they're super loyal to their owner and
they want please, so they're using their loyalty against them.
And so that's why a lot of these big breeds
(28:57):
get bad raps because they're actually very but they're so
loyal they want to please their owner. And it goes
the same with the medical testing. That's why they use
beagles in medical testing because beagles are so docile and
they don't fit the people who are hurting them. So
that's why when like Shannon gets beagles from medical labs.
You also often see in some of our videos and
she'll say and she'll cry when you go up to them,
(29:19):
they'll just repeatedly give you their paw to get blood.
Oh wow, they're docile. That's why they use beagles. So
it's the same kind of thing they use their positive
attributes against them.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Gotcha. Yeah, that's that's a very important point to point
out as well, if they're innate personality. Thank you so much, guys,
We are out of time. I really appreciate you taking
the time. Yeah. Thanks for our show producer, Mark Winter
for making the show possible. You can learn more about
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also be on the show page. And I'm so grateful
for you guys for bringing out the issue behind dogfighting
because there's way more than I would have expected it
to be. So thank you, thank you. Welcome do you
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Welcome back to Saba Booch. We are talking with Sloan
Minor and Marabel from the Zion's Mission Animal Rescue. Thank
you guys for taking the time today. Your guys' work
in addressing dog fighting, I say, I think this is
the first one I've talked about on my show so far,
and it's impact on communities is super important. So let's
(02:24):
start with your journey, Sloan. What drove you to establish
Scion's Mission Atible Rescue and how has your background in
activism shaped your approach to rescue work.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So when I was growing up, my mom always worked
at shelters, so we've always been like a rescue family.
So when I was growing up, we primarily we only
rescued cats. My mom worked at shelters, like before social media,
before all of those things, so she instilled in me
and sort of fostered my compassion and my love and
(02:57):
drive to help the animals. So you know, as I
grew up, I always had a focus on helping our
four legged friends. In my experience, I've always sort of
been more bonded with animals initially than people. And as
I know, millions of people can say animals have helped
(03:18):
me through some of the toughest times of my life.
So I always wanted to pay it back, I say,
pot forward and give back to them because they were
there for me at my most vulnerable times. So initially
I was involved in a lot of animal rights activism
in terms of anti medical testing. So you know, we
(03:41):
worked on a campaigns called the Shack Campaign Stop Huntington
Animal Cruelty for years and that involved doing home demonstrations.
That was the first campaign that actually targeted the money
of the facility, Huntington Life Science. So what we would
do is the Care Campaign was a global campaign. What
(04:02):
we would do is when somebody invested in Huntington Life Science,
we would go after that company to divest. So we
would go if Bristol Squibs invest it in Huntington Life Science,
we would go to the houses of the President, the
vice president of Bristol Myers and protest outside, hand out
leaflets and get them to divest, and everybody in this
(04:25):
global campaign would do that. It was the first campaign
that actually that actually targeted them financially. To make a
long story short, that actually became now it's illegal to
target a company like that financially. And there were actually
seven people who were jailed. They're called the Shack seven,
and they were jailed for basically free speech and handing
(04:48):
out leaflets and showing up and encouraging these people by
doing home demonstrations to divest. And the company was actually
brought to its knees and their NASDAC their ticker went
from like, you know whatever, what was it thirty dollars
to begin with, down down to a penny. And what
happened was that the right when they were gonna shut
(05:08):
down because Hunting Life Science was also based in England
and in New Jersey, which is why it was a
global campaign, what happened was they somebody another corporation came
in and saved them, you know. So that was one
of my biggest campaigns and it was also one of
the biggest heartbreaks because stopping medical animal testing is something
(05:29):
that is super passionate for so many people, and in
this day and age, it's not necessary when in fact,
ninety percent of the drugs that they're testing on these
animals are their bodies aren't the same as ours, and
they fail not to mention the you know, the brutal
acts of just testing for on toothpaste or household products
like chlorox. People don't realize what they do to the animals. So,
(05:52):
you know, it's just a barbaric practice that is totally
unnecessary in twenty twenty five. So fortunately there's been a
lot of progress and there's an amazing group called Bagle
Freedom Project run by one of my friends, Shannon Keith,
and she actually takes all of the animals, like the
beagles and the different animals out of the medical testing
(06:14):
facilities when they retire them. And so she's since she's
a lawyer, she's passed legislation in multiple states.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Oh good.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, So she's really huge and she was like a
huge inspiration for me as well. And then from that
we segued into rescuing one animal at a time, if
you will. So that's sort of how I was brought
into animal rescue.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Wow, you you started off with a bang. Then instead
of the opposite of starting small, you just amazing. Good
for you man, that is awesome And you know what, Yeah,
we do need more people like that on the medical
front for sure. Now, can you help our listeners understand
the connection between dogfighting other forms of community violence? Like
(06:54):
where I am, I don't see it. It's not common,
so I don't know if it's underground, it's an underground
or if it's a location thing.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
No.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So our community is basically Rockaway and Queens and Rockaway
and Far Rockaway. There's a huge constituency of residents that
are underserved and underprivileged, and there's a lot of projects,
there's a lot of low economic income if you will.
So there there is a lot of dog fighting on
(07:24):
multiple forefronts. So, for example, one of the most recent
cases that we've been working on, there's a project called
Hammelhouses in Rockaway, and those people who are fighting dogs
in there, it's multiple people when they fight the dogs.
As per our witness accounts, the people we've interviewed, the
people who speak to us, they fight them in the hallways.
(07:47):
They're very brazen. They fight them in the hallways. Sometimes
the residents have told me that they get trapped in
elevators and they have to want stay the elevator because
they're fighting the dogs. There are certain apartments that everybody
knows that they fight the dogs, and then they do
another thing too. Some of the dog fighters they'll date
different women, and when those women are at work or
(08:07):
whatever they do, they're taking over their apartments. So one
of the residents told me that actually they had a
developedly mentally challenged daughter and the daughter went over to
one to an apartment in the project to see her friend,
and when she walked in, there was like a trail
of blood and that animal was screaming on the floor,
(08:28):
and that she watched the animal die. And the mom
told me that the daughter is still has like PTSD
from it. And apparently the woman who the boyfriend had
moved in was doing this while this woman was at work,
and you know, they said she didn't know about it.
So they do that, so they use apartments, They use
their own apartments. The one specific person that we know
(08:48):
of now that we've been trying to get the authority
to do something, one of the witnesses said that they've
been in the apartment and they actually because they breed
and they fight. So they bought a dog from them.
They went in the apartment they'd bought a puppy, and
they said, the whole apartment is just like dog kennels,
and the floors all ripped up. They even made the
(09:09):
oven a dog kennel with the with babies, you know,
like so like they put the babies in there because
they will have three litters at a time in there
because they're breeding. They're using the animals as like an atm.
So the problem is multi faceted because not only do
you have animal abuse going on, but this specific person
I know is eating the girlfriend you have. Everybody knows
(09:30):
that animal violence escalates to human violence, so you have
that going on. And then you also have a lot
of children in the mix here because these children are
growing up with these people and or just witnessing this
happening in the building and people getting away with it,
and this becomes normalized. So you have, you know, a
younger generation learning this is okay. Right. You have people
(09:53):
in the building being held hostage by this criminal activity,
and you have the people who are maybe even with
these guys or the girls who are doing it, that
are also in physically abusive situations, and then you have
the lasting effect obviously on the animals, which is absolutely
like heinous ex of cruelty being coming at them. And
(10:13):
then you have some of the residents also tell me
that they don't even take their dogs out anymore, and
their dogs just pee on peepads. They're afraid to take
them outside. So you have people in there with dogs
who haven't gone out in years. Because these people, when
they do take their dogs out, they often let them
run the hallways, and so there's been altercations with the
dogs jumping on people, running attacking other dogs because they
(10:36):
train the dogs to use anything as baits, so like
when they find there's a huge problem because with the
cat rescuers there too, in the cat feeders, because they
bring the dogs out at night and they theyn't sick
them on the cats. So you know, you got feral
colonies right that are being affected. You have cats that
are you know, cats also outside cats. It's so bizarre
(10:58):
to me because people see an outside kat and they said, oh,
it's just a cat, Like they suffer in silence, but
they suffer right in front of everybody. So you know,
you have all these animals being affected they use possums,
they use squirrels, they use they let them fight with raccoons,
so they do. You know, nothing is off limits here,
and everybody is afraid to speak, so they'll talk to me.
(11:20):
But then they they're very scared because they have to
live here. The other part of the problem is now
you have a lack of enforcement on the laws, you
have a lack of the authorities coming in. We were
at NYPD one hundredth Precinct community meeting. I was there
with our sister Rescue Sasha's Mission Kim, and we go
(11:41):
into all these places and together we're collecting all of
this information. And when Kim and I were there, you know,
we were explaining to them, you want all these people
to come forward who are stuck in these housing projects,
and then what if they come forward, You guys don't
do anything anyway, So now you hung them out to dry.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah, So it's really sort of a perfect storm for
these criminals to continue to act like that, and that's
why they fight them in the hallways. It doesn't matter
what time of day it is or a night, because
they're so abrazen, because they know no one's coming. They
know they're not going to get in trouble, oh boy.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
And if I could jump in with some statistics, you know,
it's a lot of individuals, or I should really say abusers,
not just in Hammel houses or in Rockaway, Queens like
a lot of them usually are tied in New York State.
If you were to get arrested for animal cruelty because
(12:34):
of our laws in New York State, which you know
are very archaic, usually these abusers get jail time if
it's tied into another crime like drug use or abusing
of people. So you know about seventy percent of people
who are charged with animal abuse are also people who
(12:56):
have been charged with other types of felonies prior to
that rest. So you know, on the animal rights side,
we're advocating to stop these animal abusers, but we should
be getting more help from the public in general and
also with our police community as well to stop these
abusers because if they can do this to any dog
(13:19):
or any animal, they are definitely doing it to our
community and it just becomes a public safety as well
where they're fighting the dogs, but they could also be
selling drugs. Many people are allegedly tied to gangs, so
it's just safety concerns for any living being.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Absolutely, and in the Hammel houses, the gang that is
doing the primarily stuff that we're investigating their crips. So
and they're also running the dogs into far Rockaway and
they have gang houses over there where they have big
kennels and stuff that they keep them. And you know
when we were at the community board meeting the one hundred,
well we were at a community board meeting and then
we were at the one hundred preesct meeting. You know,
(14:00):
our focus isn't really on these officers. A lot of
the times the people blame the officers. There are things
in the hundred precinct like they're not responding to nine
one one calls that they do need to be held accountable.
But this is really a trickle down effect from the
top down, Like example, for our NYPD Animal Cruelty Unit,
like I can count on my hand how many times
(14:21):
they've helped us, and I can tell you that that
would I wouldn't need any fingers. So you know, we
are constantly having sort of heated discussions and conversations with
not only the animal Cruelty and I put that in parenthesis,
but also the district attorney because It's just really unfathomable
to me that New York City isn't prosecuting when there
(14:44):
are other counties and other districts in our state, for example,
like Suffolk, who actually make animal cruelty arrests. So we
need to enforce the laws on the books, train the
officers to respond properly. Because when I was at the meeting,
I also explained to them when you look through when
officers training, I found intro to PowerPoint multiple times on
(15:06):
different officers, but there's not one animal cruelty class and
Kim Sasha's mission for kids or cops, and the only
kind of training they have is when they are at
the academy and they have the ASPCA come in and
they do like a little presentation. So I pointed out
to them that when I pull out the comp sheet
(15:27):
right and you see domestic violence, all these all these charges,
what's been going on, animal cruelty isn't listed When you
pull up the NYPD Animal Cruelty stats, it says from
last June till this past December, there were three calls
that came into the one hundred precinct, which is totally
false because I can tell you and I told them
at the meeting and everybody there. Everybody's called multiple times,
(15:49):
including people who have called nine one one in the
middle of dog fights that they were their cat feeders
were there. So they're not reporting the statistics, right, they're
not putting animal cruelty on the statuets, and they're not
making it a priority to train officers in responding to
any sort of animal call. And right there, that's signifying
to all of these officers that's not really an important issue.
(16:10):
And again that's wrong. So you know, so it's all
of the top down, trickle down effect that this is
a broken system for the animals and for the people
who are subjected to being held captive by these criminals
who are fighting dogs.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, this is a much bigger picture because now you're
exactly right, it is community safety as well.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
It's a public safety.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, we'll definitely get into that. We're just going to
have a quick break and when we get back, we'll
continue talking with Sloan and Marabel.
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Speaker 2 (17:24):
Welcome back to Save a Pooch. We are talking with
president and co founder of Zion's Mission Animal Rescue, Slow
Minor and their director of Community Outreach and Events, Mayorbel.
All Right, so, wow, the solution in all this is
so multi faceted. I wouldn't even know where to begin,
but like, how does your organization approach community outreach? I mean,
it's good that you have, like I mean somewhat of
(17:46):
connections within the police, but obviously it's not really helping.
So what can you do in those cases?
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Well, then what we're trying to do is, for example,
like yesterday and the day before. So the day before yesterday,
a woman was on Rockaway Beach boardwalk and there are
two dogos. They're Dojo Argentina and dogs. They look like pitbulls.
So people often say like, oh, there's two white pit
bulls attacking, right, But these dogs have been getting out
(18:12):
from this owner, who is clearly a degenerate for multiple reasons.
He keeps the dogs outside. He lives in an srrow.
It's alleged he's a drug problem. By observing him, it
looks that way to me. We've had multiple outreach to
people who have been attacked multiple times prior to this
woman two days ago. Because these dogs, you know, dojos,
(18:33):
are also big game hunters, right, they have a huge
high prey drive. He's weaponizing these dogs and he's letting
them go and attack people and small dogs. So this
has been going on. When somebody there called nine to
one one because she was bitten really badly trying to
get her dog away from them, and they weren't trying
to bite her necessarily, they were trying to bite the dog.
The police didn't answer the nine to one one call.
(18:55):
When she went in to make the reports, she told
us that they weren't helpful and they were you know, dismissive,
and that she had to basically force them to take
the report. And then yesterday somebody else contacted us about
another situation where another person let their dog loose and
they were bid on the ankle. Then the day before
that there was somebody else that there's a police call,
(19:15):
a nine to one one call from it. Another guy
let their dogs loose, and they attacked this other guy's
small dog. So this is like a huge problem in
Rockaway because none of these laws are unfortunate because there's
no police response to any animal calls. So again, these
people know I can do whatever I want.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Right And while Sloan is speaking with witnesses and you know,
the victims of these attacks and dog fighting, I'm on
the other side lobbying with you know, our local government people.
So we're very lucky to work very closely with one
of our council members, Joanne Ariola, who oversees part of
(19:53):
the Rockaways up to Howard Beach, and she's a huge
animal advocate as well, so we're very lucky to have
her in her corner. But you know, she can't solve
the issue on her own. So I've been reaching out to,
you know, the assembly persons that represent the Rockaways, and
I've also reached out to the Queensborough President and their office,
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and you know, sometimes I'll get a response back and
sometimes I don't. I find that for many politicians, animals
are not on their radar. And right now New York
is going through an election cycle, so you know, right
now I'm getting more answers back to our call to
(20:37):
actions and our advocacy, just because we know they're looking
for votes, they're looking for photo ops. You know they're
going to play the political game. And I'm happy to
play the political game back with them as long as
they help the cause. But it's also really disheartening to
see certain local political agencies and like you know, the
(21:00):
district attorney's office and other you know, there's one assembly
woman who has promised to help us for animal rescue
and animal rights when we were handling animal sacrificing that
was happening in a nearby neighborhood. So we never heard
anything back from her. So we get a lot of
these promises from politicians who actually have power to help
(21:24):
make change, and usually they don't follow through, or they
say this is much bigger than what we can do,
or they pass the book onto some other agency, and
then the work is then falling into the lapse of
local animal rescues like us that are doing our best,
but we just don't have that political or legal power
(21:48):
to make the changes that we desperately need exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And I also have to, I guess, consider your own
safety as well. In this whole mix of a mess.
Let's pivot and go into the rehabilitation process for dogs
rescued from fighting situations, if they are even rescued, like
is do some even survive to get adopted out.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
In our experience, many survive, but there is a long process.
And as a rescue and as a responsible organization, when
you take any dog from any traumatic situation, whether they're
in a dog fighting or they're a bait dog, or
they're being horrifically beaten, or you know, have some sort
of extreme cruelty being placed on them, you have to
(22:29):
have a trusted training process because it's irresponsible to just
take a dog that situation and then throw that dog
with somebody else, Like that's not responsible. You know, you
have a huge liability issue right there. Yeah. And the
other part about that is too that when dogs come
out of traumatic situations, any of those situations, whether it
be being beaten every day, tied to a radiator, you know,
(22:52):
extreme neglect, dog fighting, anything like that, sometimes when you
first have the dog right, the dog is not feeling well,
the dog is very sick, or the dog is fear aggressive.
You know, there's all things going on, but you need
time to really let that dog be and see the
true nature of the dog. Right. So while you're having
(23:12):
that decompression time for the dog, which can take you know,
a month to three months, you really need to have
a training plan in place because you don't know what's
going to come out in that personality, right. So before
you place any of those dogs, those dogs have to
go through a major rehabilitation. So we work quite closely
with a few trainers who we utilize very often for
(23:35):
long term situations for dogs that are coming out of
you know, situations like that. And again that's because you
really need to see how that dog is gonna once
they're feeling healthy again, or once they're they're not afraid anymore,
Like what is their personality? Like who can they be around?
Who should they be around? You know what I mean
That those types of situations, we find a lot of
(23:55):
times that people want to help a dog, but then
they end up the dog in a worse position and
setting the dog up for failure because you're not allowing
for all these things. You know, people will take a
dog from a bad situation and then throw the dog
with somebody else and then the dog does something and
it might not be that dog's fault necessarily, you know,
who knows what situation they put them in, you know,
especially with kids and things like that, other animals, right,
(24:18):
so you really have to have a plan. And it's
not cheap to rescue a dog who's been in a
situation like that. So you also have to have resources,
you know, because you by whenever you commit to an
animal like you better be able to see that.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Through, you know, yeah, exactly. And what are some common
misconceptions that about the adoptability of dogs rescued from fighting situations? Well,
have you seen like when dogs have been rescued out,
do they get returned or do the adopters actually like
see it through?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
You know, it depends. I can't speak for a lot
of other people, but whenever we've had dogs like that,
they've seen it through. We had one very very serious
case like that, and the dog really had a hard
time with other people. He bonded specifically to the foster
at that point, but we had the trainer. First, he
(25:11):
was in a board and trainer. Then he went to
the foster's house bonded with the foster, but then he
didn't want anybody else near the foster, and he really
guarded her and you know, there were a lot of issues,
and she kept him and worked really hard, but she
changed her whole life around to work so that she
could work with the trainer. And it was like, you know,
almost a year before somebody could else could come in
(25:32):
the house. You know, So even if he was in
a crate in the other room or in another room,
a freak out right, So he was trying. He wanted
to protect her. So it depends on who you're finding,
you know what I mean. But there definitely are people
who have a soft spot for the traumatic situations, you know,
Like you can just look at like the Michael Vick doos.
(25:53):
Look at all those dogs that were adopted. I think
what they only put down like one or two of
those dogs, right, Like all those dogs that were those
people worked again with those dogs, and they worked with
trainers and they documented everything. So there's hope for all
of these animals. But again, you can't just classify them
as saying, oh, they're fighting dogs and so therefore this right,
(26:14):
because that's making a general assumption. Every dog's an individual.
Every dog needs to be treated like an individual despite
whatever their background is.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yes, very good point. I'm glad you brought I'm really
glad you brought that out, because yes, there's there will
be stigma around.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Yeah, they need to be assessed as just one dog,
not not what they came from or whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You know, exactly their not their career.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
I think another misconception, especially in dog fighting, is you
know a lot of dog fighters use large breed dogs
like pipples, and there's always this misconception that they're aggressive
dogs and this is their natural behavior is to attack, right,
and that's not necessarily true. This behavior is being taught
(26:56):
to them by the humans because there are so many animals,
they're not born that way. Some do have natural you know,
prey drives like a dogo, but you know the dog
isn't just gonna attack another dog randomly out of nowhere
in such a vicious way. That's taught behavior, and that's
trained behavior from a young age, and that could be
(27:18):
worked through. So having these misconceptions of well, a pitbull
or a dog or a rottweiler, you know, any of
these dogs that usually get a negative stereotype associated with
them or a bad rep if you will, it's all
misconception based on how humans raise them, and it's not
(27:38):
how they actually are because you know, once they can
go through rehabilitation and training, the way Sloane explain, these
dogs are wonderful. They're gentle, they're loving. They've just been
taught that they need to fight or seriously protect and
they're traumatized. And you know, humans, when we get traumatized
(27:59):
in terrible situations too, we get very protective, so we
can also lash out in survival mode. So if humans
can do that, animals can do that too. And it's
all just circumstantial. And I think when we continue to
talk about specific breeds of dogs, we really need to
change our language and mindsets, and that may just have
(28:23):
to come through education workshops and information given by animal
advocacy group, rescue shelters, anyone who's willing to teach about
these animals in a positive light.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
They sh sure exactly one last thing. The other thing
about they use pipples for fighting primarily too well because
of how they were what they're bred to do, you know,
but also because they're super loyal to their owner and
they want please, so they're using their loyalty against them.
And so that's why a lot of these big breeds
(28:57):
get bad raps because they're actually very but they're so
loyal they want to please their owner. And it goes
the same with the medical testing. That's why they use
beagles in medical testing because beagles are so docile and
they don't fit the people who are hurting them. So
that's why when like Shannon gets beagles from medical labs.
You also often see in some of our videos and
she'll say and she'll cry when you go up to them,
(29:19):
they'll just repeatedly give you their paw to get blood.
Oh wow, they're docile. That's why they use beagles. So
it's the same kind of thing they use their positive
attributes against them.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Gotcha. Yeah, that's that's a very important point to point
out as well, if they're innate personality. Thank you so much, guys,
We are out of time. I really appreciate you taking
the time. Yeah. Thanks for our show producer, Mark Winter
for making the show possible. You can learn more about
Zion's mission at zionsmissions dot org and the link will
(29:48):
also be on the show page. And I'm so grateful
for you guys for bringing out the issue behind dogfighting
because there's way more than I would have expected it
to be. So thank you, thank you. Welcome do you
have any questions, comments, or ideals per show, Please email
me at Beverly at petlife radio dot com. So, until
next time, spread animal compassion.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
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