August 28, 2024 • 45 mins
Robin and Adam proudly present Episode 299 of Scary(ish)! Robin tells of three different true crime stories involving folks from Tinsel Town. Listen, Share, Subscribe, and Review!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey, I speak of friends and welcome to another episode
of the Scarish Podcast. I'm Robin grayceis is, I'MGS, and
it's my week This week.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It is Yeah, it's a Robin topic week.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's a Robin topic. It was actually pretty fun to
try to find some things that were inspired by this
main topic.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So what are you? I mean, I know all the peoples.
I've seen the title. I'm just wondering.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
This week is themed after like cinema murders, so it's
it's murders in the world of cinema.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
This is okay. I remember you telling me this because
I was like, that sounds a lot like Haunted Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
That's my franchise, but it's not. There's no hauntings. I
have no ghosts, right.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Mine are usually based off the hauntings of like a
particular movie.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Like a Cursed movie or something like that. Mine is
not that minus straight up true crime.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Okay. Interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, I hope you enjoy it. I enjoyed researching it.
Before we get into that special shout out to all
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Speaker 1 (01:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:47):
And we're back for the second week in a row.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
We are back, going back. We've been you know, focusing
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that's how it is.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
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of us. Nowadays, I got a new job, which I
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(02:40):
amazing of you folks. Thank you so much. A programming note,
you guys are listening to this on Wednesday, I think
it's Wednesday, the twenty eighth, and then next week, the
Wednesday after this, you'll be getting the three hundredth episodes,
So we're going to go back to back to back
with episodes, and then after that you won't hear from
us until we get back from vacation, which I think
will be two more weeks after that, so you o,
(03:02):
you guys might have two weeks without us. That said,
I am committed to walking by the Palazzo Kadario, which
I'm pretty sure is what was called the Palazzio Dario,
which we're staying near, which is what I covered last week,
one of the things I covered last week. So I
will post video if I do walk by it, if
I can find it and you know, I'll post that
(03:23):
onto our social media as if you follow us there,
and yeah, so you might hear from me.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
There's gonna be a few haunted locations I think we're
gonna see on this trip, because we're definitely going to
the Gray Friars Kirkyard in Edinburgh I forgot about. So yeah,
there's a few haunted things we're gonna see and we
will be posting it on our social media. So you
guys have follow along on our trip and hopefully enjoy
it as much as we hopefully do.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Fingers crossed. But yeah, so I don't wanna waste any
more time, Robin, why don't you go ahead and take
on over?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
All? Right, So this week's topic is murders from the
World of Cinema and it's a little bag, I get it.
You know, there's a lot that this could be about,
which is what I love about it. And this one
is inspired by my friend Amber and a particular murder
that she told me about that was that I thought
(04:15):
was really upsetting, Like I was really sad when I
found this.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
This is sad and horrible and.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I talk about it, yeah, because I had no idea
it was a thing I had no idea it was
a thing at all, and so now you guys are
going to know that it's a thing. So the first
one and the inspiration behind this week's episode, is that
of Judith Barci. So you've probably never heard of her before.
I know I hadn't until she was brought up to me.
(04:43):
And Judith was born June sixth, nineteen seventy eight, so
this is an older one.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I think. Really June sixth, nineteen seventy eight. That's seven
years before me. And this is an older one.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Rude oof, I mean when you think think about it, right,
we're in twenty twenty four, guys, nineteen seventy eight, that's
a whiles.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Rob everyone before that go to hell.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Anyway, she was born in Los Angeles. She was absolutely adorable,
had a good career in commercials and TV. She did
some voice acting too, and all of this was before
the age of ten.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Is there anything any of us would recognize at this point?
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yes, Okay, we'll get there, Okay, okay, we'll get there.
So she started acting when she was five, which you know,
child actors, that's a thing, and she appeared in things
like Jaws, The Revenge I don't know if that's Jaws two.
Oh my goodness, terrible. Okay. She was a voice actress
in animated movies like The Land Before Time. Yeah, and
(05:51):
All Dogs Go to Heaven.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
These are really good movies.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, both are absolute tear jerkers. They just mess you up.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Back in the day when animation was supposed to introduce
children to.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Death, dude, like The Lion King. I mean, your mom
still hasn't finished The Lion King.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, my mom's just like, whoa, we so executed this.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I actually really like The Lion King. But again, it
messes you up.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I saw a meme the other day that showed Simba
crying after his dad passes away, and it's like he's
crying like he didn't just sing I just can't wait
to be king twenty fucking minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I saw one where it was just like, name a
harder villain than scar Like. Then they're like, dude, Maleficent
literally cursed a kid because she wasn't invited to the birthday.
So you know, anyway, we live on memes. That's how
we run. That's our fuel. She made more than I
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do by the time she was ten.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Wow. So and I was back in nineteen eighty three, Yeah,
nineteen seventy eight, you know, Okay, by the time she
was ten, so nineteen.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Eighty eight, nineteen seventy eight, yeah, nineteen eighty eight, she
was making Baller Bank good for her, according to articles
I read on the interwebs, So you know, take that
with a grain of salt, because you can't always believe
everything you read on the internet. As she became more successful,
her father made her home life worse and worse.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Why has that always happen? Is it like pa just
upset that their kids are more successful than them.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And well, okay, so you make this thing, right, you
make this child, you make that thing, you raise them,
and then they make all this money. And I feel
like a lot of parents end up taking advantage like
this is just a meal ticket.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
It's't easier to take advantage of a kid when you're
nice to them. Though.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, and then I'm sure it's something like he sees
her success and he's just this bro, his daughter is
getting more recognition, making more money than him. Maybe he's
emasculated by that fact, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Maybe and I'm trying to think of this from a
parent's perspective of what could happen if a ten year
old is like very successful in Hollywood, they could be
a little hellion who who doesn't want to listen to
anything the parent has to say and won't engage in discipline.
I mean, if this was like nineteen eighty eight, this
means I was three years old. Engaging in discipline was
whether or not I ran from the belt or stood
(08:13):
there and took the belt one way or another. I
was getting speed.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Oh yeah, I got beat.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
But I'm just wondering whether or not. That's like kind
of what led to it. So trying to be like
Devil's advocate here of what might have led.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
To that, all of this is going to be.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You know, he's probably gonna killer I get it.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
So he was an alcoholic, Okay, he had anger issues
and reportedly threatened to kill himself, his wife, and his
daughter multiple times, and he'd been arrested three separate times
for drunk driving. So this guy just had an alcohol issue.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, no shit.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
His wife had reported these threats that he kept making
towards them to the police, and they couldn't do anything
about it without there being any physical evidence, which is
absolutely upsetting and it's kind of crazy to me that
that is how things work. I mean, even in today, right,
it's really hard to get police to do something if
(09:08):
you don't have physical evidence of any abuse or anything
like that. It's the way things are.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah. The hoops that you have to jump through to
get some form of protection, even from something as simple
as a restraining order, is just tragic. And so often
it's a person feeling hopeless because there's no one there
and basically being told once something bad happens, call us
right away.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Well, I'm sure there are ways to do things now,
I haven't had to deal with it, so I don't
know because you're so sweet, and I'm sure it's something
where there are ways, you know, to get that restraining
order without.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I mean, it's still incredibly difficult. I just covered that
topic maybe like six months ago about the podcaster. Oh,
I've been ever murdered by a guy who just like
decided he was obsessed with her, and everyone knew what
was going to happen, and no matter how many times
she tried to get some form of protection from the police,
is basically just like when he shows up, call us.
It's all we can do. Yeah, it'll be it'll be
(10:04):
like forty five minutes before we get here. Hopefully he's
not violent, and eventually he was.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
So Yeah, imagine how many times this exact scenario that
we're gonna be talking about today has happened, you know,
far too many. After police were brought into things, supposedly
the dad kind of laid off the alcohol, but he
kept threatening them with violence like this. It just didn't stop.
And he even threatened to burn their house down, which
(10:31):
is a bit extreme. I mean, you live in it. Yeah,
that's so, it's a strange threat to have. And poor
little Judith, she she would tell her friends that her
dad threw pots and pans at her, Like she would
tell her friends how hard she was getting hit, and
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she would literally show up with like bruises. He would
make her nose bleed. That's how hard he was throwing
these things at her. And it's a neighbor recalled a
story about Judith getting a brand new kite and her
father broke it into as many pieces as he could. Wow,
for whatever reason, I don't know. And due to the abuse,
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she developed compulsive disorders, like she would pluck out her
own eyelashes.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I knew someone who used to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, yeah, you did. Really.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah. I didn't realize it was something that they used
to do until it was brought up. We had a
poker game and we were in there, like early early twenties,
and one of my friends saw them doing it, and
I was like, oh, are you plucking your eyelashes out again?
And they got so upset and like so defensive. They're like,
I don't do that. What the fuck are you talking about?
You do that? And so it immediately became this like
(11:45):
terribly awkward situation where like everyone's trying to move on,
but also trying to look at her eyelash just to
see how many are missing.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh man. Yeah, So apparently that was a symptom of
the stuff that was happening to her, you know, like
a coping mechanism. Maybe she's just plucking out her eyelashes.
In May of nineteen eighty eight, when she broke down
in front of her agent, they took her to a
child psychologist who identified the severe physical and emotional abuse
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that she was experiencing, and they reported it to Child
Protective Services, which is the thing that you should do
in my opinion. When her mother told them that she
was going to get a divorce, they were going to
move away, like she was that she was going to
take Judith out of that situation. The case worker kind
(12:33):
of dropped the investigation, and I'm sure there's more. There's
a lot more nuanced to that. I'm sure it wasn't
just like Okay, we're good, we're going to drop the investigation.
I'm sure it's like, okay, well, come on, like let's
see some action or something like that. But they couldn't
really do anything. They couldn't just take her out of
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her home without any more evidence or something. I'm sure
there's a lot to it. I don't work in social services.
I couldn't really say. I'm sure there's someone out there
who listens, who does work in social services, and it
would be really cool to learn that. So if you
want to give us some information, that'd be great. But
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her mother promised, you know, we're going to do this,
We're going to do that. She had already gotten an
apartment outside of the home, like oh, that her husband
had no access to. She would go there during the
day and then come back home at night, and she
kept hesitating, like she was so afraid of losing their
(13:35):
home and everything that they had she just kept taking time,
you know, to make that move to actually just leave.
And on July twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight, so just
a couple months after that initial dealing with child services
things like that, Judith missed an appointment. She'd been seen
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writing her bike that morning. She missed an appointment. It
was then reported that three people were found dead in
what seemed to be a murder suicide. It was the
entire family. So he had killed Judith, her mother, and
he set the house on fire while he was found
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in the garage with a self inflicted gunshot wound.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
That's just so sad.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, what I mean, what's horrible. She really was only ten,
she was so incredibly young. And their neighbor had been
the one to hear the gunshot and call the police
at around like eight thirty in the morning or something,
so it was like first thing in the morning. This
guy chose violence. I don't know why, No one knows why,
but that's what happened. So both the Land Before Time
(14:53):
and All Dogs Go to Heaven released after her.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Death after after her death, Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
And the scene at the end of All Dogs Go
to Heaven has her character. Okay, guys, this is This
is an old movie has her character Anne Marie. She
says goodbye to her friend the dog Charlie, played by
Burt Reynolds. Supposedly, the lines were recorded prior to her death,
(15:21):
but Reynolds requested that they re record them afterwards, resulting
in a more emotional and personal goodbye to her character,
to her, you know, not just her character. But it's
really heartbreaking to watch that scene once, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I feel like I have to rewatch it to inflict.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
The addition, my friends are like, hey, watch this. You
have to watch this after now that you know. And
so she played it for me and I was just like,
I'm so, I'm so sad right now because it's just like, oh, yeah,
you should watch it. It's really heartbreaking. And then the
next time you watch The Land Before Time, and here Ducky,
(16:02):
the cute little dinosaur say the line yep, yep, yep,
remember that one. She's so cute. Yeah that's her. Wow,
it's so fucking sad. And her gravestone literally has that
line engraved on it. Yeah, it's so sad.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
It's so hard to try and understand why someone would
do something so so horrible, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, so you're welcome for the extra tears from those
movies that already make you freaking cry your eyes out.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Thanks a bunch.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
All right.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So this next one, we're gonna take a completely different
vibe than that of Judith. It's gonna be a different angle.
I guess. I don't know how to describe it, but
it's about Lloyd Fernandez Avery the seconda known for being
one of the Bloods, one of the bloods quote unquote
(16:55):
bloods and Boys in the Hood. He's one of the
guys who murders Ricky.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Oh, and he's the guy I've never seen Boys in
the Hood.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
He's the guy in the back of the car that
pulls out the shotgun. Okay, yeah, that's that's this.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You've never seen Boys in the Hood.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I've never seen Voice in the Hood, y'all.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Holy shit. I remember my dad made me watch it
when I was really young, when it came out, like
as soon as it got to VHS.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Hey Adams described this movie to me and made me
watch like certain scenes from it. But I've never seen
it from beginning to end. I know what happens in it.
I know the characters. I just have never sat down
and seen it myself. All right, So, like Judith, this
guy he's born in Los Angeles, California. He was born
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June twenty first, nineteen sixty nine. The fact that they
were both born in June is purely coincidental. He was
one of four kids living in a working class neighborhood.
I don't know how working class it was. He went
to Beverly Hills High School, So, I mean, what is
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working class? And how do you go to them?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Do you know if Beverly Hills High School is nice?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
He attended?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
He just recognized Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
He attended high school with children of really famous people,
so our famous people?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Just what famous people?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
He was lucky enough to be acquainted with a number
of connections that got him in roles like boys in
the hood. That's how he got this job. Okay, connections
through school kids in school people, He's met stuff like that.
He was even in an episode of Doogie Howser. Okay,
(18:36):
I mean Neil Patrick Harris.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
What could go wrong when he's a child.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, he's absolutely adorable in that show. Have you ever
seen any of ye watch it? If you guys don't
know what that is? He plays a doctor, but he's
a child.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I think every episode ends with him like typing something
into his personal diary on a blue screen with white
lettering theme song playing in the background.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
So yeah, so this guy, let's uh, I'm trying to
decide if I want to call him Lloyd or Avery.
Let's call him Avery. Okay, so Avery. He has minor roles,
but it was a start. You know, he's starting his career.
It's enough for him to get an agent and kind
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of get his career moving. And as he's going through
this growth, going through these movies, these roles, his behavior
becomes more and more erratic over time, like absolutely unruly behavior,
like he was assaulting people and he was thrown off
(19:39):
the set of one of these movies because of it,
because of him being just out of control. He started
living this quote unquote gangster lifestyle, and he wasn't just
portraying it on screen anymore. You know, all these roles
he was getting were these the roles, and so he
started just being and so he started being that, and
(20:02):
he would literally miss auditions for other jobs, other acting
jobs because of this lifestyle. And he really got involved
in all of these groups, these local gangs, and in
two thousand, after wrapping up filming for what would be
his final film, named Shot, he was arrested and charged
(20:23):
with a double homicide.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Whoa hoh, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
The guy who shot Ricky killed two people.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, so he killed two people. He shot them in
broad daylight, allegedly for not paying a drug debt, and
was sentenced to life in prison. I'm sure you did
not see that coming, like not know. Yeah, when you
watch movies, it's really hard sometimes be to see these
people as people that are potential, that people have the
(20:53):
potential to be criminals, to do things like that, right,
at least for me, when I watch something, I'm not
going to be like, oh man, Alec Baldwin shot that person.
It's really hard to see.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I mean, I'm never that now now.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
But you would have never thought that would ever happen.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
No, I wouldn't thought potentially there would have been an
accident where Alec Baldwin shot someone. But there's certain people
in certain movies that you see where they almost adapt
to a role way too well and you almost get
a little bit nervous, like why was that so easy?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Well, like Keanu Reeves in What I Was gonna say,
Jack Reacher, John Wick. I can't imagine him going around
shooting a bunch of people, Yes, but.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
If they killed his fucking dog, he might just maybe.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I don't know, but yeah. So he gets sentenced to
life in prison and then was subsequently murdered on September fourth,
two thousand and five, at the age of thirty six.
So he gets murdered strangled by his cell mate Kevin Roby,
supposedly as part of a quote Satanic ritual that was
(21:58):
intended as a warning to God. And bro, what I
read that, I was just like, you're kidding me?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
A Satanic ritual meant as a warning to God.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Bruh. I was just shocked when I read that, because
it was just like, this guy kills two people, ends
up in jail, gets murdered as a part of a
Satanic right, what you know. It's weird anyway, Those that
knew him and worked with him stated that he could
(22:32):
have had quite the career if his life hadn't spiral.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
That's unfortunate, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, it's unfortunate, but fascinating.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I mean morbidly fascinating.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Morbidly fascinating. I mean, you were shocked you had no idea. No,
I mean I had no idea. And I'm sure there
are a lot of things out there like this where
it's like this celebrity goes on to kill people. I mean,
there's some celebrity ever know. But there's some people out
there who you've seen in movies when you were younger,
(23:04):
and then they're like hairstylists now, or they work in finance,
like they're an account management people.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
That move on past that life. But sometimes people move
into like criminal activities. Like I just just watching a
review of I Think Dress. It was a re review
where people watch a movie from a long time ago
and review it again. It was Jurassic Park, and the
part at the beginning of Jurassic Park where h the
guy who's gonna steal all the embryos and the barbersol can,
the guy who gives them the barbasol can was recently
at the time they did their review, so probably a
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couple of years ago, arrested for child molestation.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
What the frick, dude.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I was just like, what the like, Yeah, everyone Dotson
from Jurassic Park is a fucking pedo. I was like,
I had no idea. I did not know that there
was other actors in different movies. That's all growing up,
where you find out that they, you know, beat someone
up or did something illegal further down the road, and
sometimes you see them in a role and then later
on find out they did something very similar to that.
Another good example is You season two. He goes out
(24:00):
to La the guy who plays the Hollywood star who's
a comedian, super famous, who's taking pictures of young girls.
Actually that was actually doing that in real life, and
then he got caught out very very soon after that
show came out almost like he was cast in a
role that he was currently living. And someone stepped forward saying,
this actually happens. That ship was super crazy too, So
(24:22):
I get what you're saying. I just think it's definitely
not the No, I don't think it happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I don't think it happens all the time. But what
how much do we really know?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
How much do you really know about anyone? Rob exactly? Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Then all right, so moving on from that one. Uh,
the third and final tale of this particular episode is
yet another different turn. We're gonna take another turn, and
this one different vibe, as you would say, different vibe
but still within the theme of cinema murder. Okay, murder, So.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I just came out of knowing that. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
This one is a murder committed by someone who claims
his actions were because of a movie.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Okay, so inspired by the film.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
He did it because he watched this movie?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
What movie? So I really hope it's okay. I shouldn't
say I hope. That's a horrible thing to say. If
it's not a movie that has murder, or it's something
silly like B movie, like a bam not even a
B movie. B movie is a rating, you know, no
B movie, the B movie, E movie. Okay, yeah, if
it's the B movie, I will be a little bit confused.
(25:36):
Unless the person was thrown into a murder's rage and
he killed the attendant trying to get a refund.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I mean, have you seen B movie?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
No, it's like ever seen it.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
It's like you're a working bee and you just you're
raised to do this job and then you die and
you're replaced by other bs and all you.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Do is just describe die humanity.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
That's why someone could murder.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Is it really about B movie?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Not?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I thought you're building this up because it's about the
B Movie.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
But it could happen. You know, you watch this movie
and you realize, this is my fucking life. I'm going
to kill someone. I am the B Movie.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You're not allowed to watch the B movie anymore. Watching
the B movie right anyway?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Anyway, So this movie is much older.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I'm really curious now which movies you've watched were like,
this is my fucking life and someone has to die.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Oh, it doesn't happen really often.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Okay, this movie, this movie is much older. And the
movie one you might probably have never heard of. Actually,
you've never heard of this. I'd never heard of this.
It's what you would call a lost movie. Okay, it's
called London After Midnight.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I have not heard of it. Now.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It is an MGM movie.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It sounds dirty.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
It's not so. This movie is about a professor coming
in like an investigator, to come in to save the
death of the owner of this manner on the outskirts
of London.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Okay, cool, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
This owner shows up dead. Some guy has to come
in figure out who done it. Okay. Five years after
his death, a hypnotist comes from Scotland Yard and he's
there to try to reproduce the scene of the crime.
He hypnotizes the suspect into recreating the murder. Okay, that's
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his goal here. Very strange sounding. When I read it,
I was very confused. Okay, but the person of note
in this tale is Lawn Cheney. From what I've seen,
it's kind of creepy. Like the characters, how they did
the makeup and costumes and things like that, very creepy.
(27:58):
So this Lawn Chainey, he played the hypnotist disguised as
a vampire. Okay, I sent you a picture the other night.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I was wondering why you sent me a picture of
nose Ferazu. Only it wasn't probably.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, so he's horrifying looking. Okay. And I forgot to
mention this movie is from nineteen twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Okay, so it's an old This is old. This is
old movie. I mean he said its MGM. I was thinking, okay, seventies, eighties, nineties.
I don't know why that's where too, It's yeah, it's
ninety six years ago.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yikes. Bro. Yeah, I'll have Adam post some pictures of
a bunch of stuff from this episode.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Oh, from this episode. I was going to post a
bunch of random pictures. No, no, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I'll have Adam post a bunch of picks from this episode.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I'm really going to put up all the picture you
sent me, and then one pick.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Of our Oh my goodness, Lawn Cheney. He plays horror
and makes it look scary. He genuinely looks scary. And
though the movie was popular with crowds with the layman
folk us.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
The layman, the US people that just idiots. Yeah, you're
not to say the critics hated it, right.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Critics hated it. Critics did not like this movie. And
despite the.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Effects Transformers seven of movies in.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
THEE, the story made no sense. The critics were literally like,
that's not their best work.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
They're like, why does bumblebee still not talk? I haven't
watched a Transformers movie.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Why do the bees just keep doing their jobs? Anyway,
even though this movie, you know, didn't do well with critics,
it certainly hit a particular person pretty hard. So this guy,
Robert Williams, was just apparently really affected by this movie, Okay.
(29:55):
On October twenty third, nineteen twenty eight, william was found
by a policeman near Fountain Gate on the north side
of Hyde Park. In London. Okay, maybe we'll go see
Hyde Park. I don't know, all right. He was lying
face down, bleeding from his throat with a razor beside him.
(30:17):
And I mean he wasn't bleeding out or anything. He
wasn't dying. He just had a wound on his tree.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Cut himself shaving and passed out in the park.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I'm sure if you came across someone like that, you'd
be like, he must have cut a shelf shaving. I
don't know, but this guy was from Wales. So that's
a ways from London. No high speed trains then, Oh yeah, yeah,
it's a ways from London. No high speed trains back then.
The first one was in nineteen seventy six. In case
you were wondering, but apparently he'd been out of work
(30:48):
for some time. This guy was far from home. He
wasn't Spider Man though, and when police found him, he
told them quote, I did it. She has been teasing me.
What end quote, and then pointed to a body nearby. Wow,
(31:11):
that body was that of Julia Mangan, who lived nearby
in stan Hope Gardens.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
You were like slow building that. I thought it was
going to be a name I recognized so I'm just
like it was like she.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Was like a maid or a waitress or something like that. Yeah,
just a normal.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Average Joe who didn't deserve to die.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Didn't deserve to die. Two months after the discovery, Williams
he's on trial with a plea of temporary insanity. So
he's on trial. He's talking about what happened that night,
and supposedly, according to him, he and Julia were friends
and they were hanging out, and at around ten o'clock
he told her he wanted to marry her, that he's
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in love with her, you know, And the last thing
he remembered, according to his testimony, was Julia with quote,
I felt as if my head were going to burst,
and that steam was coming out of both sides. All
sorts of things came to mind. I thought a man
(32:14):
had me in a corner and was pulling faces at me.
He threatened and shouted at me. End quote.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
So he tells her he wants to marry her.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I'm sure she was like hell naw dog.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And does he mention what she said in response in
this quote, but that she was whistling and then he
started hallucinating or having some weird vision or disassociating.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
But I mean when he tells the police she has
been teasing me.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, you know, it's like I did it. It's like
he knows what happened.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, absolutely and U When asked to describe the face
that he saw, he described Lawn Cheney's character from London
After Midnight Okay. So he described this vampire, freaky looking
fuck okay as the person he was hallucinating about.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
So should we post the picture of it. Don't want
to be responsible for another person going into a murder
stage when their proposal has turned down.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, isn't that like so funny? That's how legends are made.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
It's a really weird thing for the guy to say.
In his defense, for sure.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
So he blames the murder on a fit he had
during which he had horrific visions of this vampire looking character.
He pled insanity and almost got away with it, but
they just couldn't agree on a verdict, Like they couldn't decide,
like if he's guilty and I'm guilty, I don't know,
so hungary, they retried him. So they retried him, and
(33:50):
the judge at the retrial noted that, yeah, the vampire
character would be enough to terrify anybody, like, it's scary.
This is the nineteen twenties. Okay, we don't have like
all the scary.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Shit we have now. Oh yeah, that total makes up
for people being fucking idiots.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Anyway. The tale is of a haunted house. There's horrifying
characters with.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
It to reason to go out and murder a woman
for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Also, however, noted that if you watch the movie, nothing
in it would indicate insanity or cause any person to
be purposely terrible. So the jury this time pretty swayed
by this judge justly named Justice Humphries. Wow, and Williams
(34:36):
gets found guilty. So this judge is like, y'all, sure,
the movie's scary, but it's weird.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
The judge is telling the jury like, this dude's fucked up.
You better find him guilty and not the prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
You know, I don't know how it worked in nineteen twenties.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
In the nineteen twenties in London, but they.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Found him guilty. He was sentenced to death by hanging,
but two weeks later his sentence was changed to time
at Broadmoor Criminal Lunatic.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Asylum because he claimed he was crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Because he claimed he was crazy and there were medical records.
People looked at it and they're like, just send him
to the asylum. You know. It wasn't that the I
don't think necessarily it was the movie that made him crazy,
or maybe it did, but they deemed him unfit enough
to send him to the asylum. So I don't know
what happened there. I don't have the legal paperwork to read,
(35:30):
but that is what happened. Cheney, the target of William's
perhaps delusion, was diagnosed with lung cancer and weeks after
the release of his first and only talking film, because
all of these are silent films.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Okay, I was wondering whether the other one was a
talk here or not.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
It was called The Unholy Three, so talk the talkie
was called the Unholy Three. And he died of a
throat hemorrhage on August twenty sixth, nineteen thirty. That's sad,
not too long after all.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, but uh, tale of lots of death.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
What's crazy is he was affected by breathing in like
the fake snowflakes that they would use in movies.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
That's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, so at one point he inhaled some fucked up
his throat gott an infection, and that's how he fucking died.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I always wonder, like when I see people use smoke machines,
that shit can't be good for you. Who wants to
breathe in smoke? I saw one just today watching Hard
Knocks the Pears. The fourth episode. One guy did his
performance and they put on smoke machine. Every time I
see those, I think to myself, those are pretty cool.
I would never breathe that shit in though. Ever, it's
gotta be toxic. There's no fucking yeah's not.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I don't know. I mean the smoke is made with chemicals.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Back in nineteen twenty you know five. I don't know
whenever this movie was being made, but it came out
nineteen twenty eight, so probably nineteen twenty eight. Who knows
how long production time took. In nineteen twenty eight, they
basically just took whatever they had on hand and just said,
let's make it look like this thing. It might be
glowing green because it's radioactive, but I'm sure it's fine,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Like the the Witch from the Wizard of Oz got
sick and stuff like that, Well.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I think she burned because something malfunctioned on one of
the live shows.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I thought she got sick because of like the makeup.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
That's the tin Man. The tin Man actually had stuff
put on him that was straight up toxic as fucking
He almost died. Oh my geez, man, I should do hanted.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Hoigh yeah broh yeah yeah yeah, uh huh, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Maybe next episode maybe three oh one, three oh one's
my next episode?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Okay? Uh. Fun fact this movie is considered a lost
film because the last known copy was destroyed in nineteen
sixty five in the MGM Vault fire in Culver City, California.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Everyone agrees that's the most tragic loss of fire has
ever claimed. Definitely not the library at Alexandria.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Oh my goodness, you've covered that too, haven't you.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I don't think I have.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Oh well, the vault seven of this MGM Vault area
building thing. Their vault seven had an electrical short that
set all the nitrate film on fire. And if you
didn't know, nitrate film is incredibly flammable.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
If you've never watched in Glorious Bastards, and we're given
the lesson where they tell you that, yeah, it wasn't
even allowed on street buses. There's like, that's just too flammable.
Give the fuck off.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, it pretty much turned into like a bomb of
some sorts because it was so flammable. It's like a
it turned into a ball of flames. Pretty much. Highly
recommend watching Glorious Bastards if you're okay with gore, violence and.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
The murder of Nazis, which some murder or not.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I mean, it is a fun movie. It is not
a kid's movie. It is absolutely Tarantino movie. Yeah, but
when she sets that film on fire, it is crazy satisfying.
I don't know, it's just I can't.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Imagine a lot of folks out there who wouldn't be
satisfied watching Hitler Made on Alive.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, that movie is great. Brad Pitt's great in it.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Brad Pitt is super good in that movie. I'm just
thinking of Walt Christo Christo, Oh my god. I think
that's his first English role and he won an Oscar
for and then he won an Oscar for his next
role with Quentin Tarantino to Django. Yeah, he's so fucking
good in that movie.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Man, he is a talented actor.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
He's excellently. You don't see him.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Much This is why we need to start our movie
podcast day every day. We love movies, guys. Anyway, So
the initial explosion could be heard on the surrounding lots.
That's how big this fire was. So I think it
was on lot three and lot one and two could
hear what was going on.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
It doesn't seem necessarily too far away. They're adjacent and adjacent, adjacent.
I get that.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Lots are huge. Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
If I told you I heard an explosion at Lot
three and you said I.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Heard an explosion a lot too, if you heard me
you heard an explosion. If you if you told me
you heard an explosion down, you know, by the baseball
field or whatever, I'd be like.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
You're directions.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I don't even know directions, but I would be shocked.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
The baseball field's right there, I know.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
If you know, it's fucking far.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
When they set off fireworks, I could run to the
baseball field and I can barely run, like we just
found out when I ran the forty yard dash recently.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
You know what, Okay, if you heard the fireworks outside,
like when we're at Disney, you know, and you hear
the fireworks, you hear it for pretty far away.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I know.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I'm not saying I'm not you're proving my point. I'm
saying Lot too is right next to Lot three. You
would imagine lots.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
All I know is people heard this ship. Okay, it
doesn't matter where they were, Okay, sorry, stuff set on fire.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
It made noise. People are like, did you hear that noise?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Things were lost, very important things were lost.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
So like this movie who Made Someone Get murdered?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
None of the films stored there could be salvaged. Lots
of silent films were lost to history. They've tried to
put this particular movie, like put reconstructed versions of it
based on like the original scripts and stuff like that,
like bits and pieces of it, and play it on
Turner classic movies. Now it just isn't the same.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Sometimes dead's better leave this movie in the ones.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
One of the original posters for London after Midnight sold
in twenty fourteen for five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
It's a fun out of town dude. Dude, that's insane.
So London after Midnight is something very well known to
collectors and movie boffs.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, I'm sure I bet your guy who does the
red letter media stuff has heard this movie.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Oh yeah for sure, Yeah, mister Plinkett, for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, okay, But this particular topic with the movie and
the murder things like that is probably how urban legends
get started, you know where. It's like this movie came
out and then someone murdered someone over it. And now
if anybody ever finds this lost film and sees the loss.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah for sure for this one, it's an urban legend
where you don't want to show it again. It caused
a murder last time I could see that.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
So I love how legends stories like this get developed
and turned into things that people pass down and make,
you know, into things you find on Reddit. Additional fun fact,
the dude that this guy claims to have seen looks
like the Babba Duke.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Really yeah, interesting, we're posting that picture that's the one
you sent.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, the one I sent, And then you can post
a picture of like the drawing of the Babba Duke
or whatever. But that's that's he looks just like.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
It a picture the Babbyduke is.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah, so you can picture that in your mind's eye.
But anyway, that is my episode about I don't know
cinema murders.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
You have to pick the name of your own topic,
so cinema murders it is, yeah, good topic, all right.
That is everything we have for episode two hundred and
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Speaker 2 (45:13):
How about
Hey, I speak of friends and welcome to another episode
of the Scarish Podcast. I'm Robin grayceis is, I'MGS, and
it's my week This week.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It is Yeah, it's a Robin topic week.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's a Robin topic. It was actually pretty fun to
try to find some things that were inspired by this
main topic.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So what are you? I mean, I know all the peoples.
I've seen the title. I'm just wondering.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
This week is themed after like cinema murders, so it's
it's murders in the world of cinema.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
This is okay. I remember you telling me this because
I was like, that sounds a lot like Haunted Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
That's my franchise, but it's not. There's no hauntings. I
have no ghosts, right.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Mine are usually based off the hauntings of like a
particular movie.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Like a Cursed movie or something like that. Mine is
not that minus straight up true crime.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Okay. Interesting.
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So we're going to go back to back to back
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us until we get back from vacation, which I think
will be two more weeks after that, so you o,
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you guys might have two weeks without us. That said,
I am committed to walking by the Palazzo Kadario, which
I'm pretty sure is what was called the Palazzio Dario,
which we're staying near, which is what I covered last week,
one of the things I covered last week. So I
will post video if I do walk by it, if
I can find it and you know, I'll post that
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onto our social media as if you follow us there,
and yeah, so you might hear from me.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
There's gonna be a few haunted locations I think we're
gonna see on this trip, because we're definitely going to
the Gray Friars Kirkyard in Edinburgh I forgot about. So yeah,
there's a few haunted things we're gonna see and we
will be posting it on our social media. So you
guys have follow along on our trip and hopefully enjoy
it as much as we hopefully do.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Fingers crossed. But yeah, so I don't wanna waste any
more time, Robin, why don't you go ahead and take
on over?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
All? Right, So this week's topic is murders from the
World of Cinema and it's a little bag, I get it.
You know, there's a lot that this could be about,
which is what I love about it. And this one
is inspired by my friend Amber and a particular murder
that she told me about that was that I thought
(04:15):
was really upsetting, Like I was really sad when I
found this.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
This is sad and horrible and.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I talk about it, yeah, because I had no idea
it was a thing I had no idea it was
a thing at all, and so now you guys are
going to know that it's a thing. So the first
one and the inspiration behind this week's episode, is that
of Judith Barci. So you've probably never heard of her before.
I know I hadn't until she was brought up to me.
(04:43):
And Judith was born June sixth, nineteen seventy eight, so
this is an older one.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I think. Really June sixth, nineteen seventy eight. That's seven
years before me. And this is an older one.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Rude oof, I mean when you think think about it, right,
we're in twenty twenty four, guys, nineteen seventy eight, that's
a whiles.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Rob everyone before that go to hell.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Anyway, she was born in Los Angeles. She was absolutely adorable,
had a good career in commercials and TV. She did
some voice acting too, and all of this was before
the age of ten.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Is there anything any of us would recognize at this point?
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yes, Okay, we'll get there, Okay, okay, we'll get there.
So she started acting when she was five, which you know,
child actors, that's a thing, and she appeared in things
like Jaws, The Revenge I don't know if that's Jaws two.
Oh my goodness, terrible. Okay. She was a voice actress
in animated movies like The Land Before Time. Yeah, and
(05:51):
All Dogs Go to Heaven.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
These are really good movies.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, both are absolute tear jerkers. They just mess you up.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Back in the day when animation was supposed to introduce
children to.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Death, dude, like The Lion King. I mean, your mom
still hasn't finished The Lion King.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, my mom's just like, whoa, we so executed this.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I actually really like The Lion King. But again, it
messes you up.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I saw a meme the other day that showed Simba
crying after his dad passes away, and it's like he's
crying like he didn't just sing I just can't wait
to be king twenty fucking minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I saw one where it was just like, name a
harder villain than scar Like. Then they're like, dude, Maleficent
literally cursed a kid because she wasn't invited to the birthday.
So you know, anyway, we live on memes. That's how
we run. That's our fuel. She made more than I
(06:45):
do by the time she was ten.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Wow. So and I was back in nineteen eighty three, Yeah,
nineteen seventy eight, you know, Okay, by the time she
was ten, so nineteen.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Eighty eight, nineteen seventy eight, yeah, nineteen eighty eight, she
was making Baller Bank good for her, according to articles
I read on the interwebs, So you know, take that
with a grain of salt, because you can't always believe
everything you read on the internet. As she became more successful,
her father made her home life worse and worse.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Why has that always happen? Is it like pa just
upset that their kids are more successful than them.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And well, okay, so you make this thing, right, you
make this child, you make that thing, you raise them,
and then they make all this money. And I feel
like a lot of parents end up taking advantage like
this is just a meal ticket.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
It's't easier to take advantage of a kid when you're
nice to them. Though.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, and then I'm sure it's something like he sees
her success and he's just this bro, his daughter is
getting more recognition, making more money than him. Maybe he's
emasculated by that fact, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Maybe and I'm trying to think of this from a
parent's perspective of what could happen if a ten year
old is like very successful in Hollywood, they could be
a little hellion who who doesn't want to listen to
anything the parent has to say and won't engage in discipline.
I mean, if this was like nineteen eighty eight, this
means I was three years old. Engaging in discipline was
whether or not I ran from the belt or stood
(08:13):
there and took the belt one way or another. I
was getting speed.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Oh yeah, I got beat.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
But I'm just wondering whether or not. That's like kind
of what led to it. So trying to be like
Devil's advocate here of what might have led.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
To that, all of this is going to be.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You know, he's probably gonna killer I get it.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
So he was an alcoholic, Okay, he had anger issues
and reportedly threatened to kill himself, his wife, and his
daughter multiple times, and he'd been arrested three separate times
for drunk driving. So this guy just had an alcohol issue.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, no shit.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
His wife had reported these threats that he kept making
towards them to the police, and they couldn't do anything
about it without there being any physical evidence, which is
absolutely upsetting and it's kind of crazy to me that
that is how things work. I mean, even in today, right,
it's really hard to get police to do something if
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you don't have physical evidence of any abuse or anything
like that. It's the way things are.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah. The hoops that you have to jump through to
get some form of protection, even from something as simple
as a restraining order, is just tragic. And so often
it's a person feeling hopeless because there's no one there
and basically being told once something bad happens, call us
right away.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Well, I'm sure there are ways to do things now,
I haven't had to deal with it, so I don't
know because you're so sweet, and I'm sure it's something
where there are ways, you know, to get that restraining
order without.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I mean, it's still incredibly difficult. I just covered that
topic maybe like six months ago about the podcaster. Oh,
I've been ever murdered by a guy who just like
decided he was obsessed with her, and everyone knew what
was going to happen, and no matter how many times
she tried to get some form of protection from the police,
is basically just like when he shows up, call us.
It's all we can do. Yeah, it'll be it'll be
(10:04):
like forty five minutes before we get here. Hopefully he's
not violent, and eventually he was.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
So Yeah, imagine how many times this exact scenario that
we're gonna be talking about today has happened, you know,
far too many. After police were brought into things, supposedly
the dad kind of laid off the alcohol, but he
kept threatening them with violence like this. It just didn't stop.
And he even threatened to burn their house down, which
(10:31):
is a bit extreme. I mean, you live in it. Yeah,
that's so, it's a strange threat to have. And poor
little Judith, she she would tell her friends that her
dad threw pots and pans at her, Like she would
tell her friends how hard she was getting hit, and
(10:51):
she would literally show up with like bruises. He would
make her nose bleed. That's how hard he was throwing
these things at her. And it's a neighbor recalled a
story about Judith getting a brand new kite and her
father broke it into as many pieces as he could. Wow,
for whatever reason, I don't know. And due to the abuse,
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she developed compulsive disorders, like she would pluck out her
own eyelashes.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I knew someone who used to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, yeah, you did. Really.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah. I didn't realize it was something that they used
to do until it was brought up. We had a
poker game and we were in there, like early early twenties,
and one of my friends saw them doing it, and
I was like, oh, are you plucking your eyelashes out again?
And they got so upset and like so defensive. They're like,
I don't do that. What the fuck are you talking about?
You do that? And so it immediately became this like
(11:45):
terribly awkward situation where like everyone's trying to move on,
but also trying to look at her eyelash just to
see how many are missing.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh man. Yeah, So apparently that was a symptom of
the stuff that was happening to her, you know, like
a coping mechanism. Maybe she's just plucking out her eyelashes.
In May of nineteen eighty eight, when she broke down
in front of her agent, they took her to a
child psychologist who identified the severe physical and emotional abuse
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that she was experiencing, and they reported it to Child
Protective Services, which is the thing that you should do
in my opinion. When her mother told them that she
was going to get a divorce, they were going to
move away, like she was that she was going to
take Judith out of that situation. The case worker kind
(12:33):
of dropped the investigation, and I'm sure there's more. There's
a lot more nuanced to that. I'm sure it wasn't
just like Okay, we're good, we're going to drop the investigation.
I'm sure it's like, okay, well, come on, like let's
see some action or something like that. But they couldn't
really do anything. They couldn't just take her out of
(12:53):
her home without any more evidence or something. I'm sure
there's a lot to it. I don't work in social services.
I couldn't really say. I'm sure there's someone out there
who listens, who does work in social services, and it
would be really cool to learn that. So if you
want to give us some information, that'd be great. But
(13:13):
her mother promised, you know, we're going to do this,
We're going to do that. She had already gotten an
apartment outside of the home, like oh, that her husband
had no access to. She would go there during the
day and then come back home at night, and she
kept hesitating, like she was so afraid of losing their
(13:35):
home and everything that they had she just kept taking time,
you know, to make that move to actually just leave.
And on July twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight, so just
a couple months after that initial dealing with child services
things like that, Judith missed an appointment. She'd been seen
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writing her bike that morning. She missed an appointment. It
was then reported that three people were found dead in
what seemed to be a murder suicide. It was the
entire family. So he had killed Judith, her mother, and
he set the house on fire while he was found
(14:21):
in the garage with a self inflicted gunshot wound.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
That's just so sad.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, what I mean, what's horrible. She really was only ten,
she was so incredibly young. And their neighbor had been
the one to hear the gunshot and call the police
at around like eight thirty in the morning or something,
so it was like first thing in the morning. This
guy chose violence. I don't know why, No one knows why,
but that's what happened. So both the Land Before Time
(14:53):
and All Dogs Go to Heaven released after her.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Death after after her death, Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
And the scene at the end of All Dogs Go
to Heaven has her character. Okay, guys, this is This
is an old movie has her character Anne Marie. She
says goodbye to her friend the dog Charlie, played by
Burt Reynolds. Supposedly, the lines were recorded prior to her death,
(15:21):
but Reynolds requested that they re record them afterwards, resulting
in a more emotional and personal goodbye to her character,
to her, you know, not just her character. But it's
really heartbreaking to watch that scene once, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I feel like I have to rewatch it to inflict.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
The addition, my friends are like, hey, watch this. You
have to watch this after now that you know. And
so she played it for me and I was just like,
I'm so, I'm so sad right now because it's just like, oh, yeah,
you should watch it. It's really heartbreaking. And then the
next time you watch The Land Before Time, and here Ducky,
(16:02):
the cute little dinosaur say the line yep, yep, yep,
remember that one. She's so cute. Yeah that's her. Wow,
it's so fucking sad. And her gravestone literally has that
line engraved on it. Yeah, it's so sad.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
It's so hard to try and understand why someone would
do something so so horrible, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, so you're welcome for the extra tears from those
movies that already make you freaking cry your eyes out.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Thanks a bunch.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
All right.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So this next one, we're gonna take a completely different
vibe than that of Judith. It's gonna be a different angle.
I guess. I don't know how to describe it, but
it's about Lloyd Fernandez Avery the seconda known for being
one of the Bloods, one of the bloods quote unquote
(16:55):
bloods and Boys in the Hood. He's one of the
guys who murders Ricky.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Oh, and he's the guy I've never seen Boys in
the Hood.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
He's the guy in the back of the car that
pulls out the shotgun. Okay, yeah, that's that's this.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You've never seen Boys in the Hood.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I've never seen Voice in the Hood, y'all.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Holy shit. I remember my dad made me watch it
when I was really young, when it came out, like
as soon as it got to VHS.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Hey Adams described this movie to me and made me
watch like certain scenes from it. But I've never seen
it from beginning to end. I know what happens in it.
I know the characters. I just have never sat down
and seen it myself. All right, So, like Judith, this
guy he's born in Los Angeles, California. He was born
(17:37):
June twenty first, nineteen sixty nine. The fact that they
were both born in June is purely coincidental. He was
one of four kids living in a working class neighborhood.
I don't know how working class it was. He went
to Beverly Hills High School, So, I mean, what is
(17:58):
working class? And how do you go to them?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Do you know if Beverly Hills High School is nice?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
He attended?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
He just recognized Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
He attended high school with children of really famous people,
so our famous people?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Just what famous people?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
He was lucky enough to be acquainted with a number
of connections that got him in roles like boys in
the hood. That's how he got this job. Okay, connections
through school kids in school people, He's met stuff like that.
He was even in an episode of Doogie Howser. Okay,
(18:36):
I mean Neil Patrick Harris.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
What could go wrong when he's a child.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, he's absolutely adorable in that show. Have you ever
seen any of ye watch it? If you guys don't
know what that is? He plays a doctor, but he's
a child.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I think every episode ends with him like typing something
into his personal diary on a blue screen with white
lettering theme song playing in the background.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
So yeah, so this guy, let's uh, I'm trying to
decide if I want to call him Lloyd or Avery.
Let's call him Avery. Okay, so Avery. He has minor roles,
but it was a start. You know, he's starting his career.
It's enough for him to get an agent and kind
(19:19):
of get his career moving. And as he's going through
this growth, going through these movies, these roles, his behavior
becomes more and more erratic over time, like absolutely unruly behavior,
like he was assaulting people and he was thrown off
(19:39):
the set of one of these movies because of it,
because of him being just out of control. He started
living this quote unquote gangster lifestyle, and he wasn't just
portraying it on screen anymore. You know, all these roles
he was getting were these the roles, and so he
started just being and so he started being that, and
(20:02):
he would literally miss auditions for other jobs, other acting
jobs because of this lifestyle. And he really got involved
in all of these groups, these local gangs, and in
two thousand, after wrapping up filming for what would be
his final film, named Shot, he was arrested and charged
(20:23):
with a double homicide.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Whoa hoh, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
The guy who shot Ricky killed two people.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, so he killed two people. He shot them in
broad daylight, allegedly for not paying a drug debt, and
was sentenced to life in prison. I'm sure you did
not see that coming, like not know. Yeah, when you
watch movies, it's really hard sometimes be to see these
people as people that are potential, that people have the
(20:53):
potential to be criminals, to do things like that, right,
at least for me, when I watch something, I'm not
going to be like, oh man, Alec Baldwin shot that person.
It's really hard to see.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I mean, I'm never that now now.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
But you would have never thought that would ever happen.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
No, I wouldn't thought potentially there would have been an
accident where Alec Baldwin shot someone. But there's certain people
in certain movies that you see where they almost adapt
to a role way too well and you almost get
a little bit nervous, like why was that so easy?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Well, like Keanu Reeves in What I Was gonna say,
Jack Reacher, John Wick. I can't imagine him going around
shooting a bunch of people, Yes, but.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
If they killed his fucking dog, he might just maybe.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I don't know, but yeah. So he gets sentenced to
life in prison and then was subsequently murdered on September fourth,
two thousand and five, at the age of thirty six.
So he gets murdered strangled by his cell mate Kevin Roby,
supposedly as part of a quote Satanic ritual that was
(21:58):
intended as a warning to God. And bro, what I
read that, I was just like, you're kidding me?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
A Satanic ritual meant as a warning to God.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Bruh. I was just shocked when I read that, because
it was just like, this guy kills two people, ends
up in jail, gets murdered as a part of a
Satanic right, what you know. It's weird anyway, Those that
knew him and worked with him stated that he could
(22:32):
have had quite the career if his life hadn't spiral.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
That's unfortunate, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, it's unfortunate, but fascinating.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I mean morbidly fascinating.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Morbidly fascinating. I mean, you were shocked you had no idea. No,
I mean I had no idea. And I'm sure there
are a lot of things out there like this where
it's like this celebrity goes on to kill people. I mean,
there's some celebrity ever know. But there's some people out
there who you've seen in movies when you were younger,
(23:04):
and then they're like hairstylists now, or they work in finance,
like they're an account management people.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
That move on past that life. But sometimes people move
into like criminal activities. Like I just just watching a
review of I Think Dress. It was a re review
where people watch a movie from a long time ago
and review it again. It was Jurassic Park, and the
part at the beginning of Jurassic Park where h the
guy who's gonna steal all the embryos and the barbersol can,
the guy who gives them the barbasol can was recently
at the time they did their review, so probably a
(23:32):
couple of years ago, arrested for child molestation.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
What the frick, dude.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I was just like, what the like, Yeah, everyone Dotson
from Jurassic Park is a fucking pedo. I was like,
I had no idea. I did not know that there
was other actors in different movies. That's all growing up,
where you find out that they, you know, beat someone
up or did something illegal further down the road, and
sometimes you see them in a role and then later
on find out they did something very similar to that.
Another good example is You season two. He goes out
(24:00):
to La the guy who plays the Hollywood star who's
a comedian, super famous, who's taking pictures of young girls.
Actually that was actually doing that in real life, and
then he got caught out very very soon after that
show came out almost like he was cast in a
role that he was currently living. And someone stepped forward saying,
this actually happens. That ship was super crazy too, So
(24:22):
I get what you're saying. I just think it's definitely
not the No, I don't think it happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I don't think it happens all the time. But what
how much do we really know?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
How much do you really know about anyone? Rob exactly? Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Then all right, so moving on from that one. Uh,
the third and final tale of this particular episode is
yet another different turn. We're gonna take another turn, and
this one different vibe, as you would say, different vibe
but still within the theme of cinema murder. Okay, murder, So.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I just came out of knowing that. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
This one is a murder committed by someone who claims
his actions were because of a movie.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Okay, so inspired by the film.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
He did it because he watched this movie?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
What movie? So I really hope it's okay. I shouldn't
say I hope. That's a horrible thing to say. If
it's not a movie that has murder, or it's something
silly like B movie, like a bam not even a
B movie. B movie is a rating, you know, no
B movie, the B movie, E movie. Okay, yeah, if
it's the B movie, I will be a little bit confused.
(25:36):
Unless the person was thrown into a murder's rage and
he killed the attendant trying to get a refund.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I mean, have you seen B movie?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
No, it's like ever seen it.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
It's like you're a working bee and you just you're
raised to do this job and then you die and
you're replaced by other bs and all you.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Do is just describe die humanity.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
That's why someone could murder.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Is it really about B movie?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Not?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I thought you're building this up because it's about the
B Movie.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
But it could happen. You know, you watch this movie
and you realize, this is my fucking life. I'm going
to kill someone. I am the B Movie.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You're not allowed to watch the B movie anymore. Watching
the B movie right anyway?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Anyway, So this movie is much older.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I'm really curious now which movies you've watched were like,
this is my fucking life and someone has to die.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Oh, it doesn't happen really often.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Okay, this movie, this movie is much older. And the
movie one you might probably have never heard of. Actually,
you've never heard of this. I'd never heard of this.
It's what you would call a lost movie. Okay, it's
called London After Midnight.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I have not heard of it. Now.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It is an MGM movie.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It sounds dirty.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
It's not so. This movie is about a professor coming
in like an investigator, to come in to save the
death of the owner of this manner on the outskirts
of London.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Okay, cool, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
This owner shows up dead. Some guy has to come
in figure out who done it. Okay. Five years after
his death, a hypnotist comes from Scotland Yard and he's
there to try to reproduce the scene of the crime.
He hypnotizes the suspect into recreating the murder. Okay, that's
(27:36):
his goal here. Very strange sounding. When I read it,
I was very confused. Okay, but the person of note
in this tale is Lawn Cheney. From what I've seen,
it's kind of creepy. Like the characters, how they did
the makeup and costumes and things like that, very creepy.
(27:58):
So this Lawn Chainey, he played the hypnotist disguised as
a vampire. Okay, I sent you a picture the other night.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I was wondering why you sent me a picture of
nose Ferazu. Only it wasn't probably.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, so he's horrifying looking. Okay. And I forgot to
mention this movie is from nineteen twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Okay, so it's an old This is old. This is
old movie. I mean he said its MGM. I was thinking, okay, seventies, eighties, nineties.
I don't know why that's where too, It's yeah, it's
ninety six years ago.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yikes. Bro. Yeah, I'll have Adam post some pictures of
a bunch of stuff from this episode.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Oh, from this episode. I was going to post a
bunch of random pictures. No, no, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I'll have Adam post a bunch of picks from this episode.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I'm really going to put up all the picture you
sent me, and then one pick.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Of our Oh my goodness, Lawn Cheney. He plays horror
and makes it look scary. He genuinely looks scary. And
though the movie was popular with crowds with the layman
folk us.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
The layman, the US people that just idiots. Yeah, you're
not to say the critics hated it, right.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Critics hated it. Critics did not like this movie. And
despite the.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Effects Transformers seven of movies in.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
THEE, the story made no sense. The critics were literally like,
that's not their best work.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
They're like, why does bumblebee still not talk? I haven't
watched a Transformers movie.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Why do the bees just keep doing their jobs? Anyway,
even though this movie, you know, didn't do well with critics,
it certainly hit a particular person pretty hard. So this guy,
Robert Williams, was just apparently really affected by this movie, Okay.
(29:55):
On October twenty third, nineteen twenty eight, william was found
by a policeman near Fountain Gate on the north side
of Hyde Park. In London. Okay, maybe we'll go see
Hyde Park. I don't know, all right. He was lying
face down, bleeding from his throat with a razor beside him.
(30:17):
And I mean he wasn't bleeding out or anything. He
wasn't dying. He just had a wound on his tree.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Cut himself shaving and passed out in the park.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I'm sure if you came across someone like that, you'd
be like, he must have cut a shelf shaving. I
don't know, but this guy was from Wales. So that's
a ways from London. No high speed trains then, Oh yeah, yeah,
it's a ways from London. No high speed trains back then.
The first one was in nineteen seventy six. In case
you were wondering, but apparently he'd been out of work
(30:48):
for some time. This guy was far from home. He
wasn't Spider Man though, and when police found him, he
told them quote, I did it. She has been teasing me.
What end quote, and then pointed to a body nearby. Wow,
(31:11):
that body was that of Julia Mangan, who lived nearby
in stan Hope Gardens.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
You were like slow building that. I thought it was
going to be a name I recognized so I'm just
like it was like she.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Was like a maid or a waitress or something like that. Yeah,
just a normal.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Average Joe who didn't deserve to die.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Didn't deserve to die. Two months after the discovery, Williams
he's on trial with a plea of temporary insanity. So
he's on trial. He's talking about what happened that night,
and supposedly, according to him, he and Julia were friends
and they were hanging out, and at around ten o'clock
he told her he wanted to marry her, that he's
(31:53):
in love with her, you know, And the last thing
he remembered, according to his testimony, was Julia with quote,
I felt as if my head were going to burst,
and that steam was coming out of both sides. All
sorts of things came to mind. I thought a man
(32:14):
had me in a corner and was pulling faces at me.
He threatened and shouted at me. End quote.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
So he tells her he wants to marry her.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I'm sure she was like hell naw dog.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And does he mention what she said in response in
this quote, but that she was whistling and then he
started hallucinating or having some weird vision or disassociating.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
But I mean when he tells the police she has
been teasing me.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, you know, it's like I did it. It's like
he knows what happened.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, absolutely and U When asked to describe the face
that he saw, he described Lawn Cheney's character from London
After Midnight Okay. So he described this vampire, freaky looking
fuck okay as the person he was hallucinating about.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
So should we post the picture of it. Don't want
to be responsible for another person going into a murder
stage when their proposal has turned down.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, isn't that like so funny? That's how legends are made.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
It's a really weird thing for the guy to say.
In his defense, for sure.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
So he blames the murder on a fit he had
during which he had horrific visions of this vampire looking character.
He pled insanity and almost got away with it, but
they just couldn't agree on a verdict, Like they couldn't decide,
like if he's guilty and I'm guilty, I don't know,
so hungary, they retried him. So they retried him, and
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the judge at the retrial noted that, yeah, the vampire
character would be enough to terrify anybody, like, it's scary.
This is the nineteen twenties. Okay, we don't have like
all the scary.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Shit we have now. Oh yeah, that total makes up
for people being fucking idiots.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Anyway. The tale is of a haunted house. There's horrifying
characters with.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
It to reason to go out and murder a woman
for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Also, however, noted that if you watch the movie, nothing
in it would indicate insanity or cause any person to
be purposely terrible. So the jury this time pretty swayed
by this judge justly named Justice Humphries. Wow, and Williams
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gets found guilty. So this judge is like, y'all, sure,
the movie's scary, but it's weird.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
The judge is telling the jury like, this dude's fucked up.
You better find him guilty and not the prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
You know, I don't know how it worked in nineteen twenties.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
In the nineteen twenties in London, but they.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Found him guilty. He was sentenced to death by hanging,
but two weeks later his sentence was changed to time
at Broadmoor Criminal Lunatic.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Asylum because he claimed he was crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Because he claimed he was crazy and there were medical records.
People looked at it and they're like, just send him
to the asylum. You know. It wasn't that the I
don't think necessarily it was the movie that made him crazy,
or maybe it did, but they deemed him unfit enough
to send him to the asylum. So I don't know
what happened there. I don't have the legal paperwork to read,
(35:30):
but that is what happened. Cheney, the target of William's
perhaps delusion, was diagnosed with lung cancer and weeks after
the release of his first and only talking film, because
all of these are silent films.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Okay, I was wondering whether the other one was a
talk here or not.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
It was called The Unholy Three, so talk the talkie
was called the Unholy Three. And he died of a
throat hemorrhage on August twenty sixth, nineteen thirty. That's sad,
not too long after all.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, but uh, tale of lots of death.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
What's crazy is he was affected by breathing in like
the fake snowflakes that they would use in movies.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
That's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, so at one point he inhaled some fucked up
his throat gott an infection, and that's how he fucking died.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I always wonder, like when I see people use smoke machines,
that shit can't be good for you. Who wants to
breathe in smoke? I saw one just today watching Hard
Knocks the Pears. The fourth episode. One guy did his
performance and they put on smoke machine. Every time I
see those, I think to myself, those are pretty cool.
I would never breathe that shit in though. Ever, it's
gotta be toxic. There's no fucking yeah's not.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I don't know. I mean the smoke is made with chemicals.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Back in nineteen twenty you know five. I don't know
whenever this movie was being made, but it came out
nineteen twenty eight, so probably nineteen twenty eight. Who knows
how long production time took. In nineteen twenty eight, they
basically just took whatever they had on hand and just said,
let's make it look like this thing. It might be
glowing green because it's radioactive, but I'm sure it's fine,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Like the the Witch from the Wizard of Oz got
sick and stuff like that, Well.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I think she burned because something malfunctioned on one of
the live shows.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I thought she got sick because of like the makeup.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
That's the tin Man. The tin Man actually had stuff
put on him that was straight up toxic as fucking
He almost died. Oh my geez, man, I should do hanted.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Hoigh yeah broh yeah yeah yeah, uh huh, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Maybe next episode maybe three oh one, three oh one's
my next episode?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Okay? Uh. Fun fact this movie is considered a lost
film because the last known copy was destroyed in nineteen
sixty five in the MGM Vault fire in Culver City, California.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Everyone agrees that's the most tragic loss of fire has
ever claimed. Definitely not the library at Alexandria.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Oh my goodness, you've covered that too, haven't you.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I don't think I have.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Oh well, the vault seven of this MGM Vault area
building thing. Their vault seven had an electrical short that
set all the nitrate film on fire. And if you
didn't know, nitrate film is incredibly flammable.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
If you've never watched in Glorious Bastards, and we're given
the lesson where they tell you that, yeah, it wasn't
even allowed on street buses. There's like, that's just too flammable.
Give the fuck off.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, it pretty much turned into like a bomb of
some sorts because it was so flammable. It's like a
it turned into a ball of flames. Pretty much. Highly
recommend watching Glorious Bastards if you're okay with gore, violence and.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
The murder of Nazis, which some murder or not.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I mean, it is a fun movie. It is not
a kid's movie. It is absolutely Tarantino movie. Yeah, but
when she sets that film on fire, it is crazy satisfying.
I don't know, it's just I can't.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Imagine a lot of folks out there who wouldn't be
satisfied watching Hitler Made on Alive.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, that movie is great. Brad Pitt's great in it.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Brad Pitt is super good in that movie. I'm just
thinking of Walt Christo Christo, Oh my god. I think
that's his first English role and he won an Oscar
for and then he won an Oscar for his next
role with Quentin Tarantino to Django. Yeah, he's so fucking
good in that movie.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Man, he is a talented actor.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
He's excellently. You don't see him.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Much This is why we need to start our movie
podcast day every day. We love movies, guys. Anyway, So
the initial explosion could be heard on the surrounding lots.
That's how big this fire was. So I think it
was on lot three and lot one and two could
hear what was going on.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
It doesn't seem necessarily too far away. They're adjacent and adjacent, adjacent.
I get that.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Lots are huge. Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
If I told you I heard an explosion at Lot
three and you said I.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Heard an explosion a lot too, if you heard me
you heard an explosion. If you if you told me
you heard an explosion down, you know, by the baseball
field or whatever, I'd be like.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
You're directions.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I don't even know directions, but I would be shocked.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
The baseball field's right there, I know.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
If you know, it's fucking far.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
When they set off fireworks, I could run to the
baseball field and I can barely run, like we just
found out when I ran the forty yard dash recently.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
You know what, Okay, if you heard the fireworks outside,
like when we're at Disney, you know, and you hear
the fireworks, you hear it for pretty far away.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I know.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I'm not saying I'm not you're proving my point. I'm
saying Lot too is right next to Lot three. You
would imagine lots.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
All I know is people heard this ship. Okay, it
doesn't matter where they were, Okay, sorry, stuff set on fire.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
It made noise. People are like, did you hear that noise?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Things were lost, very important things were lost.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
So like this movie who Made Someone Get murdered?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
None of the films stored there could be salvaged. Lots
of silent films were lost to history. They've tried to
put this particular movie, like put reconstructed versions of it
based on like the original scripts and stuff like that,
like bits and pieces of it, and play it on
Turner classic movies. Now it just isn't the same.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Sometimes dead's better leave this movie in the ones.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
One of the original posters for London after Midnight sold
in twenty fourteen for five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
It's a fun out of town dude. Dude, that's insane.
So London after Midnight is something very well known to
collectors and movie boffs.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, I'm sure I bet your guy who does the
red letter media stuff has heard this movie.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Oh yeah for sure, Yeah, mister Plinkett, for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, okay, But this particular topic with the movie and
the murder things like that is probably how urban legends
get started, you know where. It's like this movie came
out and then someone murdered someone over it. And now
if anybody ever finds this lost film and sees the loss.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah for sure for this one, it's an urban legend
where you don't want to show it again. It caused
a murder last time I could see that.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
So I love how legends stories like this get developed
and turned into things that people pass down and make,
you know, into things you find on Reddit. Additional fun fact,
the dude that this guy claims to have seen looks
like the Babba Duke.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Really yeah, interesting, we're posting that picture that's the one
you sent.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, the one I sent, And then you can post
a picture of like the drawing of the Babba Duke
or whatever. But that's that's he looks just like.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
It a picture the Babbyduke is.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah, so you can picture that in your mind's eye.
But anyway, that is my episode about I don't know
cinema murders.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
You have to pick the name of your own topic,
so cinema murders it is, yeah, good topic, all right.
That is everything we have for episode two hundred and
ninety nine, the penultimate episode. Good job, Robin. If you
have a story you'd like to share with us, does
not need to be about cinema murders or movies that
you watch that made you commit murder, or if you
were murdered. If you can write us a fucking email.
If you had been murdered, that is crazy. But if
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Speaker 2 (45:06):
That is everything we have for this episode, So Robin
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