January 23, 2025 • 46 mins
Robin and Adam proudly present Episode 306 of Scary(ish)! Adam covers the bizarre objects in the sky in New Jersey recently and gives an update with some new evidence in the case of D.B. Cooper Listen, Share, Subscribe, and Review!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey, they're spooky friends and welcome to another episode, a
new episode of the Scarish Podcast. And Robin Grace. This
is Adam Diaz and it's been a minute. It's been
a minute, quite a minute if you're new here. We're
a podcast that generally covers you know, true crime, pernal things.
(00:33):
We've done cryptids, we've done natural disasters, doing a little
bit of everything.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, anything you could really qualify as scary ish, we
try and cover that. But yeah, it's been like a
little bit over a month.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
The audio is different. You guys will notice it sounds
a bit different.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Do my best. I'm gonna do my best to try
and get it to sound normal. We're in a new office,
we're in a new house. There's not carpeting here.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We did not buy a house just so everyone knows
the walls.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And we have a Corgi who just has decided she's
going to walk around this office while we record. So
hopefully this is not and auditory hellscape for your ears.
But yeah, we basically had additional time off generated from
some life stuff that cropped up. But we're excited to
be back.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
A lot has happened. We've moved so that that's the
big thing we've moved.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
We had someone say and one of our posts, like,
you guys move a lot, and I forget that people
buy houses because they have savings. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, we don't buy houses. We rent, and so when
it's time to go, it's time to go.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Our last place raised the rent and they wanted us
to sign a two year lease.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, so we were we dipped pretty much.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We dipped and the place we picked nice house. The
move did not go great.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
No, so so that's why we took a lot of
time off. A lot of stuff happened. A lot of
stuff went wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
When you line up because like moving is difficult, you
have to have the new stuff turned on, the old
stuff turned off. Everything has to be just so. And
then your movers don't show up for moving day and
they just text you, well a bunch of bullshit lies
where they're not gonna make it, and keep pushing out
their arrival time until finally they just cancel on you.
(02:12):
You know, you're in the midst of or the beginning
of a real bad move. Oh yeah, and that's exactly
what happened.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
The moving company totally lied to me the next morning
and said I ubered here from Vegas.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And they forgot I think that they said that they
were stuck in Florida, and then during the time when
they were actually helping, I shouldn't say help, but like
loading the truck up. I went outside and he was
on the phone with another client lying to him that
they got a flat tire on the way to their place.
And it was just like, we tried to find the
place that had the most positive reviews and the most
(02:45):
professional looking website, but they wound up just being super unprofessional.
They rented a U haul, which I could have fucking done. Yeah,
and it wound up costing like way more than we thought.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So we took a lot of time off because of
the move, a lot lot of stuff to unpack and
and try to get.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I just got the recording set up, unpacked and set up,
and the computer working and the internet working, all of
those things combined we didn't think like six days ago.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, we didn't really have internet for the first week
or two.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Once we got it. My computer fried from a bad router,
so I had yeah network cards.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You know, we're back. Yeah, not a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Aside from that, work has been very difficult for both
of us.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, family.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, my grandma went and died, thanks GiMA. No, but yeah,
she was she was older, she had health problems. I'm
happy that her suffering is at an end because the
last few years have been rough for our family. But
it's one of those things where it was kind of
like equal parts sadness and relief.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
We're both officially grandma is.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, we both don't have any grandma's left, so that's sad.
But my g Pops he's still around. He's gonna turn
ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And April my pops too.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, my grandfather was just like, hold off on the
arrangements and just do it for both of us because
he's he's a romantic, you know. I know, I'm getting
a little sappy here, but it's just top of mind
right now. When him and my grandmother got married, they
were like young, like I think he was just barely
in his twenties and she was in her late teens,
(04:31):
and like they basically just said, like, he won't take
care of you, and he's like, I'll take care of
her for the rest of her life. So when she
went at like, you know, almost eighty years later, he
was just like mission accomplished and all the people that
told him like it's very sweet, told him he wouldn't
take care of her, or told her like he can't
support you, Like, he took care of all of them too,
and they all died before he did. So he's the
(04:52):
last man standing and an absolute fucking hero. So yeah,
there's just been.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
A lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Twenty twenty five has been a little bit rough. I
don't know if you guys notice. Yeah, there was also
fires everywhere in California. There's one about seven miles away
from us right now. Luckily, it looks like it's gonna
get taken care of before it poses a threat to us.
We weren't by the Palisades or the Eton fire. Luckily
we were safe from that. So there's just been like
lots of.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Things, lots of things.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
An old boss of mine showed up on TV the
other day doing the Kyle Hitler That was fucking crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I forgot to work.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I was just like, yeah, that that tracks. So it's
been a fucking wild.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
We try not to get into any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I take it into that stuff, but I've been telling
Elan to go fuck himself every sign out when I
refuse to call it X and call it Twitter still,
so that's not changing. I just want to say, but yeah,
I'm gonna be doing two things this episode because it's
gonna be an Adam episode. I'm gonna be covering two
things that happened while we were on break. One of
them is the New Jersey UFO sightings because there was
(05:57):
a fuck ten of those during December. And then I'm
also going to be covering an update on the dB
Cooper case. Nice so fun stuff. But yeah, I think
that's just about everything that we want to cover from
our personal lives. Do want to give a shout out
to our patron members that are at the shout out
tire and above. It's a big shout out to Fay,
Shandon Deulce and Carl Oloff. Y'all are amazing. Thank you
(06:20):
so much, and.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Thank you guys so much, especially because we know we've
been gone for over a month.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah. Luckily Robin almost already has her script like finished.
She has several pages, two pages, three pages, I don't know.
She has pages of her next script for next week.
We have a special guest lined up coming up.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Very soon too, so we're going to have some very exciting.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Content going and we're really happy to be back.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I mean, we're excited about the special guests. You have
no idea who this is.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I hope you guys are excited to But yeah, So
for this specific episode, I decided I wanted to dig
into current events. I know, we really don't do current
events a lot, but there was like I swear like,
as soon as we told you guys, we're going to
go on vacation, we'll be back. If you heard a
sipping noise because Robin's three from banana milk from a
milk car. But yeah, I wanted to make sure we
(07:03):
covered some stuff because it's like, as soon as we're
not doing an episode, the UFO showed up and I
was like, I fucking knew it. So there was a
couple of things that really need to get covered obviously,
and there's a lot of people that reached out to us,
sending us reels to let us know like are you
seeing this, Like what's happening?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, I was shocked. A lot of people were like
this is what I saw guys.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, there's a not necessarily a lot of first hand
accounts that came my way, but there was some folks
that were reaching out and they had videos or they
were just like sharing reels from TikTok or people that
seemed like legitimately concerned. So I was like, it's got
to be our first topic back. So I'm gonna lead
off with the UFO sightings in New Jersey. Second thing,
the dB Cooper thing, and just a reminder, if you
don't know who dB Cooper is, Robin covered that topic
(07:45):
back in episode ninety four. But it feels good to
be back.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So it's been a long time. I think you had
to overcome a little bit of a block because we
took such a long break.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, it was a little bit rough getting back into it.
Once we finally had the recording setup, I was just like, okay, cool,
like sit down, write a script. And I was just like,
it's like I lost my voice for a minute there.
So if this one sucks, just bear with me and
we're going to get through it together.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You got to learn how to You got to learn
how to be on a podcast again.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I do. Man, it's kind of weird. I don't even
have any catchphrases that I say anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Chaw.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I don't think that was ever one of my catchphrases.
But Okay, So obviously the first thing we're covering is
a fairly recent development, and I know we're all really
really excited about this. Uh, the Chicago Bears did hire
Ben Johnson on Monday. He's the newest head coach, and
I think we can all agree we're very excited to
see what this offensive guru can do with their young
quarterback Kayleb Williams. So Robin's not laughing, So it's a
(08:40):
refreshm No.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I just we discussed this all weekend.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
It's all I've been talking about week he got hire Monday.
I've been talking about wanting this specific coach to get hired.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
So I'm like over the moon forgot we had a
holiday on Monday.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
So excited right now. But yeah, it's probably just me.
I know, not a lot of people watch football that
are in our fan base, but there's at least one
way out there who's also really excited.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
We both talk about differing sports.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You talk about f one endlessly, I know.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And so it's funny because she makes fun of me
for any excitement that I get for the Bears, but
she shares ninety pictures of Lewis Hamilton and in a nice
suit standing in front of the Ferrari Building like the
world's coming to see his helmet this year. No, I
didn't anyway. I just think it's funny because you guys
aren't here for that. You guys are here for the
(09:27):
You guys are here for the spooky, spooky nonsense, the.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
True crime stuff. It's kind of funny. I'll share this
side story with you guys though, so a long time ago,
and this is just like, you don't have to be
a Bears fan or a sports fan to just understand
how stupid I am, because I do think you guys
enjoy hearing stories about me being dumb. So back in
the day, stopped drinking your Sorry, we both need to
learn to be on a podcast again. Back in the day,
(09:51):
the Bears traded to get a quarterback named Jay Cutler.
You may have heard of him, you may have not,
but at the time he was a very good prospect.
Everyone was very excited to have, like, very cute someone
who is going to be a good quarterback because for
years there would be in a lot of people cycling
in and out and not having a lot of success.
So my friends and I went to the bar that
night after they traded for him and everyone we saw,
because they're all Bears fans, we told them Happy j
(10:12):
Cutler Day, and we kept saying it, Happy J Cutler Day.
They didn't win a Super Bowl, but Jake Cutler did
very well on his own right, even if he wasn't
exactly what we were hoping he would be. That said,
I haven't been that excited for someone the Bears have
picked up in a long time. So when they hired
this new coach whose name is Ben Johnson, I texted
those same friends that I went to the bar out
(10:34):
went to the bar with back in the day, and
I said Happy Ben Johnson Day because I was just
really excited. It's like, you remember when we did the
j Cutler thing and everyone's like, oh yeah, hilarious, hahha.
And then like the next day, one of them texted
me back and was like, so, I'm just checking. Were
you making a joke that you were replacing Martin Luther
King Junior Day with Ben Johnson Day? And I was like,
(10:55):
oh fuck, yesterday was Mlkday and I totally spaced it.
I don't know how many people got that text and
were like what the fuck, so kind of made an
ass of myself. I am happy that we did have
Monday off so that I didn't say that to anyone
at work, so that I would have been talked to
by HR. But yeah, so I won't say that again.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, but it was.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Embarrassing and I thought you folks would enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We hope you guys did have a good MLK day.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yes we do. But let's get to the UFO stuff.
So back near the end of November beginning of December,
something odds started happening over parts of New Jersey and
some of the neighboring states where the border is. Folks
were looking up into the night sky and seeing these
bizarrely behaving lights and not just a couple of lights,
but like a flock of fucking lights. And almost immediately
(11:45):
the Internet was a blaze with reports and videos of
quote unquote UFOs over New Jersey. It didn't help that
each night that progressed, it seemed like they were back
out there, and in some cases growing in number. It's
like more and more was showing up, and I got
I was pretty skeptical to start. I think that's my
default mode is to be skeptical. Now, I did have
many thoughts when this was happening, though, the first thing
(12:08):
I thought was, if these were aliens, it is really
nice of them to have the FAA compliant lighting on
their aircraft so they could be seen the night and
avoid any of those pesky penalties or fines from traversing
the airspace while they were.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
In Those are just their engines. They have to have
the lights on.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Ah, yes, that must be it. They are the colors
that are supposed to be appropriate in the locations. They
would need to be on their crafts as well. But
as the days wore on, people began posting videos about
how upset they were with the invasion and how the
government isn't doing anything about it, or the government's in
on it. We all know there's conspiracy theories that just
branch off of anything that's happening, especially when people are
confused or scared, and I think in this case people
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were both. I can't tell you how many videos I
saw of people shooting at the drones. And I don't
mean like going out back with a BB gun and
shooting at them, like straight up like rifles that look
like thirties that I got taught to shoot on, or
like nine millimeter pistols being fired into the air and
not straight up in the air. It's worth noting like,
(13:08):
even if you were to stand outside and fire a
bullet straight up in the air, it's very dangerous because
on its way back down a bullet still has a
very aerodynamic shape. You got to imagine you shoot straight up,
eventually it comes to a stop because gravity and then
starts falling, and a bullet falling reaches terminal velocity and
can cause serious damage. It's not necessarily life threatening. But
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if you were to shoot a bullet from a nine
millimeter pistol like so many fucking people in New Jersey
were doing at these fucking drones, and say, best case scenario,
they shot it directly above them. The speed the bullet
leaves the barrel is between nine hundred and thirteen hundred
feet per second, which is, as we all know, fast
as fuck. Once it stops traveling up and starts traveling down,
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the terminal velocity of a nine millimeter bullet is between
one hundred and fifty and two hundred and fifty feet
per second, so substantially less.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
It's the same reason why you don't drop a penny
off the Empire, State Building or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
The penny's mass means the critical the terminal velocity of
that it's not gonna cause damage. It probably won't even
break skin. A bullet will break skin, and it will
hurt you like if it hits you because of the
shape and the fact that it travels at one hundred
and fifty fucking feet per second at a minimum two
hundred and fifty in a maximum, which means that it's
still moving really fast like a penny, has to be
perfectly sideways and not tilt at all, and even then
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like it's still not going to go that fast.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I've watched X Men and I've seen that quarter with
that coin or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Again, he still moves it really really slow. Has nothing
to do with terminal velocity. They're dangerous falling down, but
they're not deadly, is my point. It would have to
be some bizarre thing when you looked up and hit
your eyeball went into your brain. But that's if it
went straight up. If it doesn't go straight up, if
you're shooting it at an angle, which all these fucking
people were doing, it never gets to a point where
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it stops moving and then starts again to travel to
terminal velocity that fucking n and fifty to thirteen hundred
feet per second just goes at an angle up and
then an angle down because it arcs rather than goes
up and then stops and comes down, Which means that
people can get fucking killed from stray bullets because idiots
are out there shooting on what they believed to be aliens.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Did anyone get killed?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I checked. I couldn't find any stray bullets that were
hitting anyone out there, But that was my first thought
when I saw these people shooting, is like, you're gonna
fucking kill someone. And then like two weeks later, we
started watching the Rookie from the beginning, and sure enough
there's a video. There's a fucking episode where a guy
shoots in a drone and he hits someone in the
head of the fucking bullet yeap, And I'm just like, man,
this is just New Jersey like written all over it.
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So it is interesting to me that people think that
if aliens traveled across the universe and showed up to
observe us to eventually invade, they could stop it with
a fucking pistol, like they wouldn't have thought of like
projectile weapons before they traveled to our planet, so it's
just bizarre. There's nothing funnier to me, too than people
being afraid of an alien invasion getting hit with falling
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bolts from their neighbors, and that's not what they're afraid.
But it wasn't long before the narrative started to shift
away from the UFOs and the aliens, which I was
relieved to see, and they started moving towards drones and
more importantly, spy drones. These have to be spy drones.
The government's watching us? Why is the government spying on us?
I can't believe they're running secret missions on US soil
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against their own citizens type of thing. I feel like
these are misguided questions, but they're not necessarily wrong for
asking questions of what the fuck are these drones doing everywhere?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I mean with drones though, too, you can be a
private citizen and have a drone.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I'll tell you this. If I was in my teens
or early twenties and I lived in New Jersey while
this was happening, I would have went and bought a
drone just to fuck with people, because it would be
so fucking funny. It's like, you're not going to get
an opportunity to do something like this, or to fly
your drone towards the other drone and see what the
hell it is.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You know, that's true. My sister's drone that she got
was like fast enough to chase a train.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, it was super and it was like five mile
rains too. They can go far as hell. So it's
interesting to me that this is where people's minds went
and they didn't start asking like more rational questions, which
are also still kind of disturbing and really important to ask.
People were posting stuff online and it was so amusing
to me, where it's just like, I can't believe the
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government spying on me, trying to collect my information, and
then also complaining why is the government taking away TikTok
just because it collects all.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Of my information?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's like, okay, which government are you okay with having
your fucking info? Because I am so confused. Also, I'm
pretty sure I'm the only person who was like, I
don't give a fuck about TikTok. Kill it off. It
doesn't matter to me at all.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
The whole the whole world celebrated America being off TikTok.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah I heard about that, and it's hilarious to me
that they're like cool, no more American content flooding our
our algorithms. But they were back like very quickly.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It was like fifteen hours or something.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, at most. So that said, I talk all that
shit about TikTok, but I definitely saw a video that
appeared online which was some dude who did some serious
research and identified the type of drone he believed it
to be based off of measurement in the sky, the
alignment of the FAA regulated lights, and the fact that
they're being flown at night, which definitely seemed like a
military thing to avoid people seeing them. Okay, And that's
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when things got really interesting to me because the shape, size,
and light orientation matched that of a military drone whose
primary purpose is to detect radiation. It's not necessarily a
spy drone. It's something that's got a very specific and
deliberate purpose.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So what's going on in New Jersey that's got all
that radiation?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
And that's the question I was waiting for people to ask,
because if you have a bunch of drones flying around
which appear to be informations, what are they fucking looking for?
That was my initial question and so when I saw
this video that said that these things are for detecting radiation,
I was like, Oh, that makes it way more interesting,
if not terrifying. And this begins the period of New
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Jersey UFO saga that I like to call the quote
dirty bomb time what because it became a running theory
online that there were one far less people were shooting
at them once they started thinking that they were military
drones looking to detect radiation. But then people started saying
there is some sort of nuclear threat or nuclear device
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or dirty bomb that has gone missing or is currently
being constructed that is being looked for by the United
States government and they're not telling everyone because they don't
want to start a panic. There are some problems with
this theory, and by some I mean a lot. Okay,
not that anyone stop to think about it before posting
the videos online, obviously, but if there was a dirty
bomb or a rogue nuke on the loose, or someone
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who is building something that was very dangerous that was
using radiation, the idea that the government would wait only
until the evening to look for it is absolutely ludicrous.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
No fucking way they'd be like, well, we gotta wait
until the sun goes down. Like the drones aren't fucking vampires, people,
They can come out during the day, and if there
was an emergency and it was of that magnitude, you
better fucking believe those things are going to be flying
around during the day. They're not going to wait until
there's just straight up a mushroom cloud indicating that they
took too long and they probably should have checked during
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the day. They're just not so These UFOs slash drones
certainly looked like they're the shape and size of a
drone right down to these lights. And as people were
starting to develop their theories, word broke that there was
a piece of medical equipment used specifically for cancer scans,
which if people did not a lot of people did
not include that specific portion of it. Okay, but there's
a piece of medical equipment that had been quote lost
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in transit on December second, and the word actually came
on December fifth to confirm that it was not from
a TikTok conspiracy theory video. It was from the US
Nuclear Regulatory Commission that a piece of medical equipment that
had radioactive material was in transit and when it arrived
on December second, the case was broken, was missing. So
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that was such a strong part of like this theory
that even the mayor of Belleville, Belleville, I think is
how you said it. New Jersey, whose name is Michael Melham,
bought into it so strongly that when he went on
the Good Day New York television show, he said during
that interview, quote, what might they be looking for? Maybe
that's radioactive material. It was a shipment, it arrived at
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its destination, the container was damaged and it was empty.
End quote. Dude said this on national television, so or
regional television.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
They're not saying what it is. They just are saying
it's medical, it's radiation.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well that's how people presented it when they're presenting the
conspiracy theory that said, they absolutely did say what it was.
For those of you really wondering, the missing piece of
equipment was an Eckert and Ziegler model h EGL DASH
zero one three to two, which contains trace amounts of
germanium sixty eight and isotope with a half life of
two hundred and seventy one days, okay, which they fucking announced,
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which everyone could have just looked up and seen. I
will post a picture of it on our Instagram.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
A half life of two hundred and seventy one.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Days means hundred and seventy one days. Fifty percent of
that isotope is lead, so in another two hundred and
seventy one days it'll be one hundred percent lead and
no longer radioactive in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
So it's basically a device that looks like a really
large needle that has radioactive material inside it, which is
used for pet imaging or petwo or whatever. They're called
PET PET scans. Not exactly what you think when you
think of a dirty bomb, and you might think like,
can germanium sixty eight be weaponized? Yes, and no on
a very very very small scale essentially, But in most
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cases it's just used as most radiation at this scale
is used in forms of testing, especially when you're looking
for things that are like, you know, cancer. Then after
a few weeks of sightings and people deciding that it
was the end of times, that the guvernment was spying
and everyone or that there was a nuke being built
out of this stuff, everything just stopped. No one saw anymore,
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there weren't in the sky anymore seeing video of them anymore,
people aren't talking about them anymore, and that was it.
It was just like no fanfare, no fanfare, and no
grand battle, no alien invasion, no mushroom cloud. It's entirely
possible they were just testing out the drone fleet and
flying them around at night to avoid too many people
seeing them. And as someone who has lived only a
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handful of miles away from a very active Air Force
base in Nevada for almost a decade, that shit happened.
Sometimes they take their fucking air vehicles out and they
cruise them around, and a lot of times they do
it at night, hopefully over open desert or areas. They
don't think very many people will see it, but you
will hear them go by, you know. So the idea
(23:38):
that there's all these drones going out, it seems to
me like it's some form of practice or maneuvers or
something that they're doing to I don't know if it's
like for a specific purpose or just like regular things
that they've done before. But no one ever took videos
of and there wasn't like a massesteria built around it.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So did they ever announce like just kidding, we weren't
looking for radioactive material.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
No, they never said they were looking for radioactive material.
The US Regulatory Commission for the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission,
when they started saying there was a nuclear weapon that
was missing and all that shit, where like, there is
something missing, but it's a small needle with a tiny
amount of radioactive material in it, like trying to debunk
the theory, but it just wound up feeding into it.
It's like a small needle, Like it's not I shouldn't
(24:23):
say small. It's like a bigger needle. But it's a
small object, you know, It's not like it's this thing
that you would imagine is like got a clock strapped
to it.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
So would you say like lumbar needle.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Or actually sent it to you? So I sent it
to you to go, what's this fucking Wand you sent
me a picture.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Ah, okay, gotta gotta got it, and it'll be on
our Instagram, on our Facebook.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
So it's it's just something that you would see and
not think immediately like, oh, they definitely are gonna dispatch
a fleet of drones to find this thing. Yeah, And
they wouldn't have and they didn't. What they did do though,
like that's still kind of a mystery, Like what do
I think was going on, considering how many were out
there and how frequently they were seen, and asking the
(25:06):
questions of what could they actually be doing, and avoiding
the ideas of the conspiracy theories and the mass hysteria,
I think there was something happening somewhere in the world
where the drones may have been needed, either now or
in the near future, and they were testing out how
they could sweep a specific area or in a specific formation,
or just testing things they already knew to make sure
(25:28):
that in like actual practice, it is done the way
they needed to be done. Like if it was with
radiation detecting drones, it's unlikely they would announce what they
were prepping for in any way, shape or form, or
where they would be deploying to. If that were the case,
it would be something where they tested it out. They
did it at night, they didn't tell anyone, and then
(25:49):
if something happened, you'd never fucking know. All you'd know
is that all the drones were gone.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Is there a military base in or near New Jersey?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, really near where this was happening. Okay, yeah, that
has nuclear material at it. So it's like it makes
sense for these drones to be there. It also makes
sense in a conspiracy theory point of view, where it's
like something's going on, something's wrong. I think it seems
like military maneuvers to test out technology that they thought
they might need to deploy or they needed to test
(26:20):
to make sure was still working. I don't think there
was some like grand conspiracy where they were just sending
out these drones to look for a nuke that went missing.
And also, I just want to point this out, if
that's what was happening, If fucking someone was out there
building a nuke that was going to destroy New Jersey
and you guys saw all these fucking flying radiation drones
(26:40):
and you are not a smoldering ruin, it sounds like
the good guys won maybe pump the fucking brakes and
all the evil conspiracy theories and be like, you know what,
maybe that's what was happening and they stopped it from happening.
It's like when you watch the movie Argo, where they
got all the Americans out by pretending they're part of
a film crew that was filming like a fake thing.
It was a huge CAA operation. They got them out,
(27:03):
it became a movie, it won awards, and what happens
at the end of that operation in real life and
also the end of that movie, they gave Canada the
credit because they can't take the credit for the things
they do. Their successes are hidden, their failures are public.
You know, that is the nature of clandestine operations. So
when you come up with conspiracy theories that never consider
that there was a success. For me, I'm like, that's
(27:25):
just indicative of the mindset that you have. Like you're
a negative person, You're a half glass empty kind of person.
Because for me, I think personally, I look at the
world and I think, I don't know how many times
a day something miraculous happens that keeps me out of
harm's way. Yeah, but I do know that there's a
fuck ton of people out there who have dedicated their
lives to doing that and maybe you just saw evidence
of something that they were doing to try and protect you,
(27:47):
and instead you're shooting at them, which is just the
most bizarre thing in the world to me. But all right, cool,
that's part one of this two part return to Scarish.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I liked it. I had no idea this even like
all these facts that you've come up or seen or researched.
I would have never thought about you know why.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Though, right because you are on TikTok all the time,
where they don't tell you the facts, they just show
you the bullshit.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Like really, just don't like. What's funny is that my
next topic has something to do with TikTok too, does it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, I would have been fine with TikTok going away.
I'm an Instagram guy anyway.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I love TikTok guys. Their search feature chefs.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
She keeps talking about their search algorithm. She searches the
Internet with bing, not Google. You come from a third
world country search engine. So anything impresses you.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Hey, I get free points.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, you fucking better get something given to you for
free for using being fucking gross. It's like using hotmail. Still,
just say, all right, we're gonna move into part two
of my split topic Special to Blow twenty twenty five
wide fucking open. All right, so we're gonna give an
update on a topic that goes all the way back
to nineteen seventy one. And if you're like me, you
(28:58):
heard that and thought, man, that's twenty nine years ago. No,
you old bastard. That's fifty four years ago. No, nineteen
seventy one's a long time ago. So back in nineteen
seventy one, there was a guy named D. B.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Cooper. I would like to point out that I am
also in the next category. Now. You know, when they
ask you how old you are, Oh, you're.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
In the thirty five to forty four. That one really
hurts the first time you got to select that on
a dropdown. It's oof soul crushing.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
It's even worse that I've experienced as someone who's about
to turn forty when the people that used to give
you the slang for the young people that used to
say the things that hurt your soul start complaining about
young people hurting their souls. Yep, it's just like, oh man,
I'm too huge stige. Yeah that's rough, but okay, dB Cooper.
You haven't heard of him, Go listen to the episode
(29:45):
ninety four that Robin covered like I mentioned earlier, and
then come right back here for those of you who
do remember but just need a quick refresher. He hijacked
a plane, got a bunch of fucking money when he
landed it, and parachute took back off and jumped out.
Pull parachute was never seen again.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
If you've seen Loki the show Loki.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
He was dB Cooper and he did it was like
a fucking prank or something like that. Yeah, or a
dare from thor or something like that. Lots of people
have speculator for a super long time about who dB
Cooper actually was and if he survived the jump. That's
one thing that a lot of people talk about, Like
he died, but they never found him, which seems pretty
fucking stupid. I feel like we would have found him
sooner later.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Well, I mean they found money scattered in weird place saw.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Money, not all of it though, Yeah, and they didn't
find his parachute, which is important. So the news that
occurred happened around the same time as the UFO outbreak
In New Jersey. A YouTuber named Dan Grider I think
I'm saying it right, who is a former pilot slash skydiver,
has been posting videos searching for the identity or remains
of dB Cooper. It's like, I think this is his
(30:49):
retirement job. As he became a YouTuber. He talks about
I think other things, but he definitely talks about dB
Cooper okay, and the November update he dropped was a doozy.
He had been contacted by Schante, which I think I'm
saying correctly. And Richard McCoy the third. Who are the
children of Richard McCoy the second? And if you just
listened to episode ninety four, or if you have a
(31:12):
really good memory, you'll recall that some Foxy podcast lady
named Robin Grace had Richard McCoy the second at the
top of her list of suspects for who dB Cooper
could have been. Most folks have him at the top
of their list because he seems the most likely to
refresh your memory. Richard Floyd McCoy the second or junior,
(31:34):
I don't know which one he went by was an
Army veteran who served two tours in Vietnam, which there
was a war there In case he didn't know, yea, yeah.
He was an expert in demolition and an expert helicopter pilot.
It's also worth noting had five months pass after the
famous dB Cooper hijacking before he used a handgun that
(31:57):
wasn't loaded in a fake grenade to hijack another plan.
What demanded five hundred thousand dollars, had the plane land,
was given the money and four parachutes, and just took
the plane back up and jumped the fuck out and
got away. The thing that he fucked up is that
he left his fingerprints on one of the things on
the plane still I think it was a magazine, and
(32:18):
they were able to confirm his identity because he left
a note and they could compare it with things that
he wrote from the military.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Why did he leave a note, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
But what was interesting is that they're already looking at
this guy thinking he was dB Cooper's. They had pulled
his military records and were already comparing handwriting and shit.
So they're like, oh, yeah, it's this guy. This guy
is the one who just did the one. Like dB
Cooper shit happen November of nineteen seventy one. This one
happened April of nineteen seventy two, so like five months later.
So in April, they're like, oh, yeah, that's fucking totally
this guy, he's the one who just did the April one.
(32:47):
They went and found him, and when they found him,
he had the fucking money on him, so they just
arrested him. They tried him and they sent his ass
to prison.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
But was it the money from the first or the second? Okay?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
But when they sent him to prison, he fucking escaped.
What got The best part is I got all of
this information from your script from episode ninety four. I
verified it too, just in case. But he escaped from prison.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I should have already known. Yes, a human being, I
totally forgot.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Okay, he escaped from prison, got tracked down three months later,
got into a shootout with the authorities, and was shot
and killed. That was the end of Richard McCoy the
second So a lot of people think like, this dude
was obviously fucking d B. Cooper, But because he's dead
and they got him on the second one, they never
went back and said like, oh yeah, he was this one.
But people became obsessed with the DV. Cooper crime. And
(33:39):
when the FBI is like, he's the most likely suspect,
but we can't confirm it because he's dead, now everyone thought, well,
there has to be some piece of evidence, like some
of the money or the missing parachute that will eventually
pop up, who will confirm who dB Cooper was. That's
been like the thing people have been looking for for
a long time, and obviously podcasts and YouTube channels been
(34:00):
talking about the mystery of d B. Cooper, So lots
of folks thought this guy was dB Cooper, but there
was some things that people thought, no, it might not
have been him. One of the things is that D B.
Cooper was described as a white dude in his mid forties,
but this guy was in his twenties at the time
of the crime. There is a picture out there of
him where he looks kind of similar to D B. Cooper,
(34:20):
but a lot of the witnesses were like, no, this
was a guy in his middle ages, and this dude
looks too young, So the descriptions don't quite match, okay,
and I think that has a lot of people suss
about whether or not this is him. In any case,
the update that occurred at the end of November is
that his kids that I mentioned earlier, they wanted to
reach out to Dan Grider, who's the YouTuber who's been
(34:41):
investigating and seeing if he could figure out who this
guy was. And they had always believed that their dad
was DBE. Cooper from everything they heard growing up, but
they didn't bring it up because they did not want
to upset their mother. They just sort of let sleeping
dogs lie, okay, But their mom just died recently, and
when they were going through a bunch of her possessions
and old storage that had a bunch of different shit,
(35:01):
they found something that made them say, we fucking knew it.
They reached out to the YouTuber. It was not a
pile of cash. It was an old Ash Air Force
parachute that was their dad's that they believe was the
missing parachute from DV Cooper's jump. They call up Dan Grider,
they connect some dots, they get the FBI involved. The
(35:24):
FBI does show up and they collect the parachute for
the DV Cooper investigation. They did state in twenty sixteen
that the case was closed. They did state that they
would still collect evidence if anything was found regarding a body,
the parachute, or the money. Those are the three things
that they would still take in as evidence even though
the case was closed. And this was supposedly the parachute,
(35:47):
So when the FBI.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Got they have to take.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
It, they have to test it. When the FBI got involved,
they collect the parachute. Video goes up dB Cooper Identity
Solved News comes out, everyone scoops this shit up, reels
and talks or whatever they're fucking called on TikTok. They
start spreading like wildfire, which is a really weird expression
to use with wildfires or quart rounds right now, and
people are saying case closed, DV Cooper mystery is solved.
(36:11):
I got sent a video that goes over how the
dB Cooper mystery is solved, and that's why I was like, oh,
I guess I'll update that too. It's obviously one of
the prime suspects new evidence that links him to the
OG crime. It's got to be a rap, right not
quite enter YouTuber Ryan Burns, a different YouTuber who releases
a video not long afterwards, quote unquote debunking the new evidence.
(36:35):
As a side note, it is so interesting to me
how much traction web sleuths gain by making claims, debunking things,
or making like outrageous claims, like they just need to
do one of the two saying this is real or
this isn't real, and they just get like popular off
of that, or their stuff goes viral because it's just
like the right place, at the right time, at the
very least in this particular crime and this particular argument,
(36:58):
it's either McCoy did it or he didn't, So at
least one of them is right right now, we just
don't know which one. In the case of Ryan Burns,
he does make some pretty strong arguments why he does
not believe the parachute that was found means that Richard
McCoy the second was dB Cooper, And honestly, they're pretty
good points. It's someone that's actually paying attention to the
facts of the case. One piece of information is that
(37:19):
the parachute that was provided to dB Cooper when he
made his demands, it's a known variable. They know what
type of parachute it was, what it looked like, where
it came from. He didn't just have a random one.
He had a Navy parachute. The one that they discovered
in this storaging or whatever was an Air force parachute.
Another piece of information that they knew when they gave
him the parachute is that the one given to D. B.
(37:40):
Cooper was missing what are called d rings, which is
part of the harness that connects the strap to the chute,
as well as cape wells, which is another piece of
the harness that allows you to detach it from the
canopy to prevent the person that's wearing it from being
dragged when they land. D Rings and Cape Wells were
not on the parachute they provided to D. B. Cooper.
They were on the parachute that was found recently and
(38:02):
collected by the FBI. So those are three main details
that make it seem like this is just a parachute
and not the parachute, wrong branch of military, wrong hardware.
So that was enough for a lot of people to
be like, oh, they debunked the thing. Mystery remains because
people really like to attach to a mystery. But those
are really solid details where it's like you have to
(38:22):
take that into account. There were some folks online where
you know, human discourse is always backed by data and
fact checked and respectful, who pointed out that McCoy could
have altered the huote for a future jump since he
clearly planned to do it again. Oh yes, but Burns,
the skeptical YouTuber, said that that would require quote a
(38:45):
master parachute rigger to have all these modifications done to it.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
But he's from the military and worked on helicopters.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
So what it comes down to is we still don't
fucking know well who DV. Cooper is. But there's just
another thing that aligned to it. Was probably the guy
who did a fucking crime identical to it five months later,
went to jail for it, broke out and got shot
to death while trying to escape from the police.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Well, I don't know, because it could be a copycat
that saw this guy do it, and he was like,
I'm in the military, or you know, I've been in
the military, I've done this.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Also said I could do that, Yeah, I could do that. Yeah,
it could be a copycat. But it's really weird, really
fucking weird that no one else tried to copycat, at
least I don't think. Maybe more people didn't got away
with it. That's something that I wish I could have
researched a little bit more, But successful crimes in nineteen
seventy one are a lot harder to dig up than
other things. Also, you'd figure that people would be talking
about a lot more in the dB Cooper case, but
(39:43):
it's just we just don't know. That's what it comes down.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I feel like getting away with crimes in the nineteen
seventies much easier than getting away with crimes in the
no ship era we live in now.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
You know, the best way you can tell the advancements
that have been made and committing crimes and getting away
with it is the Blues brother If you watch the
original Blues Brothers, they just run from the cops. Like
every time they run from the the cops. It's just
like they get away. There's a scene at the beginning
of the first Blues Brothers where they get pulled over
right at the beginning, and Elliott says to Jake, like,
(40:15):
I think they have squads or something like that, and
it's the first way you can like run a license
plate from your squad car rather than like radio it
in and wait forever for it to come back. It
was like the first time essentially that I shouldn't say
the first time, but like he makes reference to the
fact that those cops might have some form of new technology,
which was just a computer that could run his plate
to say that he has a reason to detain him.
(40:37):
So they run and they get away. In the newer
one that came out in like two thousand, they don't
do that, and someone asks him why not, and he says,
you cannot run a motorola because the technology has come
so far that they can enlist people via like whatever
they need to catch you, because it's no longer like, oh,
(40:57):
you can just run away, you know, like the game
had changed between Blues Brother movies. A crime command from
nineteen seventy one to twenty twenty five is so much
fucking harder now, Like it's a full time job to
be a criminal, to try and get away with shit
and not get caught for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
It's freaking nuts, dude.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I was talking to my boss who is a former cop,
and we're talking about the show that we have here
because I've mentioned to him that I wanted to come
on and talk about a serial killer that he participated
in the arrest of. Yeah, and we were talking about
like the audience that is very specific to true crime
and how it overlaps with supernatural. It's all people that
are like fascinated by things that are horrifying, and that's
(41:35):
kind of what it takes, like be a cop, is
you have to like not have the thing that makes
you want to run away. I was like, I've noticed
that there's two types of people that experience true crime
where you're talking about someone, especially in the cases of
like a murder where you're going over details. You're like, Oh,
this person killed this person, this is how they got caught.
There are the people who watch the murder documentaries and
(41:56):
speculate on who did it. I think that's what most
webslutes are. They are people that like speculate on who
it could have been. They're trying to investigate the case.
And then there's the other people who watch it and
they're watching the murder unfold and seeing immediately what's going
to get the person caught, and they're like, fucking amateur.
It's just this bizarre split in the audience where it's
(42:17):
like some people think like cops and some people think
like criminals. Some people think how can I catch them?
And some people think how could I get away with that?
And it's so fucking fascinating to me on I wonder
which one I am because I haven't watched a murder
documentary in a while.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I know your mom at least is the sleuth one.
Oh yeah, because she was able to track down the
person that performed.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, she caught them herself. And the police are just like, yeah,
there's nothing we can do, but yeah, I wonder which
ones you folks are? So think about that the next
time you're going through like a brand new murder documentary
or episode.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Hey, I'm definitely that you're an idiot.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I'm a you're an idiot person. I think too, because
I criticize like things that seem very obvious to me,
like more watching TV shows like Life so dumb?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Why would you why would you leave? You know, hair there?
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Until my boss, I'm like, all these fucking criminals jerking
off on the body's like, what is wrong with them?
And he laughs because he's like, you know, a police officer,
former police officers, like they're you know, part of the
profile sexual gratification or turning the scene into crime being
aroused by I'm like, I get it, but like I
don't want to get fucking caught man like jerk off
at home?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
What is wrong with replay it in your head movies.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Your highlight reel. You don't have to go back to
the scene the crime. But any who, Scarish is back
in twenty twenty five. We hope you enjoyed that. I
don't have a name for both these topics combined, so
we'll just go with and that My Spooky Friends is
episode two hundred and six, three hundred and six.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Oh fuck, it's a lot of episodes. We're both like, God,
we're old. Thank you guys so much for sticking with us.
We did have a good way over on Instagram recently,
and so thank you everybody who participated then the giveaway,
you guys are absolutely amazing. Those have already been shipped out.
I've also ordered a bunch of stuff for Patreon, so
(44:07):
I've ordered some items. I have to make items because
I promised you guys, if you're one of our patrons,
I did promise you guys on Patreon that I would
be handmaking some items.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I've spent the moneys on the should be off to
you soon.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yes, and there's a lot I have things planned twenty
twenty five. I'm gonna try and get my shit together.
But we're really appreciative of everybody that's stuck around through
our hiatus because we were gone for a long time.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
It took us a minute to get back up and running.
But we're happy we are back. And for anyone who
wants to reach out and has a story they would
like to tell us, or a topic they would like
to suggest, or whatever the case.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Make are you DV Cooper?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, I let's know you're DV Cooper. You can email
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at Scarish Podcast. Yeah. Shout out to everyone who's stuck
(45:12):
by and has just been waiting for the new episode
to drop. We really appreciate you. For anyone who would
like to become a patron Robin, how can they do so?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
You can go to Patreon dot com, slash Scarish podcast
and tears start a dollar. We're really thankful for everybody
who's really been there for us, even though we're pieces
of shit sometimes and take forever to do everything.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
It just happens life finds a way to get in
the way, so it did. But we have cleared the
roadblocks and we're back, so good times.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I hope you guys enjoyed this. That's just about everything
we have for this episode. Robin, go ahead and sign
us out.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Keep on creeping on and we'll talk to you guys later.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Oh bye,
Hey, they're spooky friends and welcome to another episode, a
new episode of the Scarish Podcast. And Robin Grace. This
is Adam Diaz and it's been a minute. It's been
a minute, quite a minute if you're new here. We're
a podcast that generally covers you know, true crime, pernal things.
(00:33):
We've done cryptids, we've done natural disasters, doing a little
bit of everything.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, anything you could really qualify as scary ish, we
try and cover that. But yeah, it's been like a
little bit over a month.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
The audio is different. You guys will notice it sounds
a bit different.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Do my best. I'm gonna do my best to try
and get it to sound normal. We're in a new office,
we're in a new house. There's not carpeting here.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We did not buy a house just so everyone knows
the walls.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And we have a Corgi who just has decided she's
going to walk around this office while we record. So
hopefully this is not and auditory hellscape for your ears.
But yeah, we basically had additional time off generated from
some life stuff that cropped up. But we're excited to
be back.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
A lot has happened. We've moved so that that's the
big thing we've moved.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
We had someone say and one of our posts, like,
you guys move a lot, and I forget that people
buy houses because they have savings. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, we don't buy houses. We rent, and so when
it's time to go, it's time to go.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Our last place raised the rent and they wanted us
to sign a two year lease.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, so we were we dipped pretty much.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We dipped and the place we picked nice house. The
move did not go great.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
No, so so that's why we took a lot of
time off. A lot of stuff happened. A lot of
stuff went wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
When you line up because like moving is difficult, you
have to have the new stuff turned on, the old
stuff turned off. Everything has to be just so. And
then your movers don't show up for moving day and
they just text you, well a bunch of bullshit lies
where they're not gonna make it, and keep pushing out
their arrival time until finally they just cancel on you.
(02:12):
You know, you're in the midst of or the beginning
of a real bad move. Oh yeah, and that's exactly
what happened.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
The moving company totally lied to me the next morning
and said I ubered here from Vegas.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And they forgot I think that they said that they
were stuck in Florida, and then during the time when
they were actually helping, I shouldn't say help, but like
loading the truck up. I went outside and he was
on the phone with another client lying to him that
they got a flat tire on the way to their place.
And it was just like, we tried to find the
place that had the most positive reviews and the most
(02:45):
professional looking website, but they wound up just being super unprofessional.
They rented a U haul, which I could have fucking done. Yeah,
and it wound up costing like way more than we thought.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So we took a lot of time off because of
the move, a lot lot of stuff to unpack and
and try to get.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I just got the recording set up, unpacked and set up,
and the computer working and the internet working, all of
those things combined we didn't think like six days ago.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, we didn't really have internet for the first week
or two.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Once we got it. My computer fried from a bad router,
so I had yeah network cards.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You know, we're back. Yeah, not a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Aside from that, work has been very difficult for both
of us.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, family.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, my grandma went and died, thanks GiMA. No, but yeah,
she was she was older, she had health problems. I'm
happy that her suffering is at an end because the
last few years have been rough for our family. But
it's one of those things where it was kind of
like equal parts sadness and relief.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
We're both officially grandma is.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, we both don't have any grandma's left, so that's sad.
But my g Pops he's still around. He's gonna turn
ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And April my pops too.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, my grandfather was just like, hold off on the
arrangements and just do it for both of us because
he's he's a romantic, you know. I know, I'm getting
a little sappy here, but it's just top of mind
right now. When him and my grandmother got married, they
were like young, like I think he was just barely
in his twenties and she was in her late teens,
(04:31):
and like they basically just said, like, he won't take
care of you, and he's like, I'll take care of
her for the rest of her life. So when she
went at like, you know, almost eighty years later, he
was just like mission accomplished and all the people that
told him like it's very sweet, told him he wouldn't
take care of her, or told her like he can't
support you, Like, he took care of all of them too,
and they all died before he did. So he's the
(04:52):
last man standing and an absolute fucking hero. So yeah,
there's just been.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
A lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Twenty twenty five has been a little bit rough. I
don't know if you guys notice. Yeah, there was also
fires everywhere in California. There's one about seven miles away
from us right now. Luckily, it looks like it's gonna
get taken care of before it poses a threat to us.
We weren't by the Palisades or the Eton fire. Luckily
we were safe from that. So there's just been like
lots of.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Things, lots of things.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
An old boss of mine showed up on TV the
other day doing the Kyle Hitler That was fucking crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I forgot to work.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I was just like, yeah, that that tracks. So it's
been a fucking wild.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
We try not to get into any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I take it into that stuff, but I've been telling
Elan to go fuck himself every sign out when I
refuse to call it X and call it Twitter still,
so that's not changing. I just want to say, but yeah,
I'm gonna be doing two things this episode because it's
gonna be an Adam episode. I'm gonna be covering two
things that happened while we were on break. One of
them is the New Jersey UFO sightings because there was
(05:57):
a fuck ten of those during December. And then I'm
also going to be covering an update on the dB
Cooper case. Nice so fun stuff. But yeah, I think
that's just about everything that we want to cover from
our personal lives. Do want to give a shout out
to our patron members that are at the shout out
tire and above. It's a big shout out to Fay,
Shandon Deulce and Carl Oloff. Y'all are amazing. Thank you
(06:20):
so much, and.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Thank you guys so much, especially because we know we've
been gone for over a month.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah. Luckily Robin almost already has her script like finished.
She has several pages, two pages, three pages, I don't know.
She has pages of her next script for next week.
We have a special guest lined up coming up.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Very soon too, so we're going to have some very exciting.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Content going and we're really happy to be back.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I mean, we're excited about the special guests. You have
no idea who this is.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I hope you guys are excited to But yeah, So
for this specific episode, I decided I wanted to dig
into current events. I know, we really don't do current
events a lot, but there was like I swear like,
as soon as we told you guys, we're going to
go on vacation, we'll be back. If you heard a
sipping noise because Robin's three from banana milk from a
milk car. But yeah, I wanted to make sure we
(07:03):
covered some stuff because it's like, as soon as we're
not doing an episode, the UFO showed up and I
was like, I fucking knew it. So there was a
couple of things that really need to get covered obviously,
and there's a lot of people that reached out to us,
sending us reels to let us know like are you
seeing this, Like what's happening?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, I was shocked. A lot of people were like
this is what I saw guys.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, there's a not necessarily a lot of first hand
accounts that came my way, but there was some folks
that were reaching out and they had videos or they
were just like sharing reels from TikTok or people that
seemed like legitimately concerned. So I was like, it's got
to be our first topic back. So I'm gonna lead
off with the UFO sightings in New Jersey. Second thing,
the dB Cooper thing, and just a reminder, if you
don't know who dB Cooper is, Robin covered that topic
(07:45):
back in episode ninety four. But it feels good to
be back.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So it's been a long time. I think you had
to overcome a little bit of a block because we
took such a long break.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, it was a little bit rough getting back into it.
Once we finally had the recording setup, I was just like, okay, cool,
like sit down, write a script. And I was just like,
it's like I lost my voice for a minute there.
So if this one sucks, just bear with me and
we're going to get through it together.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You got to learn how to You got to learn
how to be on a podcast again.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I do. Man, it's kind of weird. I don't even
have any catchphrases that I say anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Chaw.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I don't think that was ever one of my catchphrases.
But Okay, So obviously the first thing we're covering is
a fairly recent development, and I know we're all really
really excited about this. Uh, the Chicago Bears did hire
Ben Johnson on Monday. He's the newest head coach, and
I think we can all agree we're very excited to
see what this offensive guru can do with their young
quarterback Kayleb Williams. So Robin's not laughing, So it's a
(08:40):
refreshm No.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I just we discussed this all weekend.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
It's all I've been talking about week he got hire Monday.
I've been talking about wanting this specific coach to get hired.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
So I'm like over the moon forgot we had a
holiday on Monday.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
So excited right now. But yeah, it's probably just me.
I know, not a lot of people watch football that
are in our fan base, but there's at least one
way out there who's also really excited.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
We both talk about differing sports.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You talk about f one endlessly, I know.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And so it's funny because she makes fun of me
for any excitement that I get for the Bears, but
she shares ninety pictures of Lewis Hamilton and in a nice
suit standing in front of the Ferrari Building like the
world's coming to see his helmet this year. No, I
didn't anyway. I just think it's funny because you guys
aren't here for that. You guys are here for the
(09:27):
You guys are here for the spooky, spooky nonsense, the.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
True crime stuff. It's kind of funny. I'll share this
side story with you guys though, so a long time ago,
and this is just like, you don't have to be
a Bears fan or a sports fan to just understand
how stupid I am, because I do think you guys
enjoy hearing stories about me being dumb. So back in
the day, stopped drinking your Sorry, we both need to
learn to be on a podcast again. Back in the day,
(09:51):
the Bears traded to get a quarterback named Jay Cutler.
You may have heard of him, you may have not,
but at the time he was a very good prospect.
Everyone was very excited to have, like, very cute someone
who is going to be a good quarterback because for
years there would be in a lot of people cycling
in and out and not having a lot of success.
So my friends and I went to the bar that
night after they traded for him and everyone we saw,
because they're all Bears fans, we told them Happy j
(10:12):
Cutler Day, and we kept saying it, Happy J Cutler Day.
They didn't win a Super Bowl, but Jake Cutler did
very well on his own right, even if he wasn't
exactly what we were hoping he would be. That said,
I haven't been that excited for someone the Bears have
picked up in a long time. So when they hired
this new coach whose name is Ben Johnson, I texted
those same friends that I went to the bar out
(10:34):
went to the bar with back in the day, and
I said Happy Ben Johnson Day because I was just
really excited. It's like, you remember when we did the
j Cutler thing and everyone's like, oh yeah, hilarious, hahha.
And then like the next day, one of them texted
me back and was like, so, I'm just checking. Were
you making a joke that you were replacing Martin Luther
King Junior Day with Ben Johnson Day? And I was like,
(10:55):
oh fuck, yesterday was Mlkday and I totally spaced it.
I don't know how many people got that text and
were like what the fuck, so kind of made an
ass of myself. I am happy that we did have
Monday off so that I didn't say that to anyone
at work, so that I would have been talked to
by HR. But yeah, so I won't say that again.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, but it was.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Embarrassing and I thought you folks would enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We hope you guys did have a good MLK day.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yes we do. But let's get to the UFO stuff.
So back near the end of November beginning of December,
something odds started happening over parts of New Jersey and
some of the neighboring states where the border is. Folks
were looking up into the night sky and seeing these
bizarrely behaving lights and not just a couple of lights,
but like a flock of fucking lights. And almost immediately
(11:45):
the Internet was a blaze with reports and videos of
quote unquote UFOs over New Jersey. It didn't help that
each night that progressed, it seemed like they were back
out there, and in some cases growing in number. It's
like more and more was showing up, and I got
I was pretty skeptical to start. I think that's my
default mode is to be skeptical. Now, I did have
many thoughts when this was happening, though, the first thing
(12:08):
I thought was, if these were aliens, it is really
nice of them to have the FAA compliant lighting on
their aircraft so they could be seen the night and
avoid any of those pesky penalties or fines from traversing
the airspace while they were.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
In Those are just their engines. They have to have
the lights on.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Ah, yes, that must be it. They are the colors
that are supposed to be appropriate in the locations. They
would need to be on their crafts as well. But
as the days wore on, people began posting videos about
how upset they were with the invasion and how the
government isn't doing anything about it, or the government's in
on it. We all know there's conspiracy theories that just
branch off of anything that's happening, especially when people are
confused or scared, and I think in this case people
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were both. I can't tell you how many videos I
saw of people shooting at the drones. And I don't
mean like going out back with a BB gun and
shooting at them, like straight up like rifles that look
like thirties that I got taught to shoot on, or
like nine millimeter pistols being fired into the air and
not straight up in the air. It's worth noting like,
(13:08):
even if you were to stand outside and fire a
bullet straight up in the air, it's very dangerous because
on its way back down a bullet still has a
very aerodynamic shape. You got to imagine you shoot straight up,
eventually it comes to a stop because gravity and then
starts falling, and a bullet falling reaches terminal velocity and
can cause serious damage. It's not necessarily life threatening. But
(13:29):
if you were to shoot a bullet from a nine
millimeter pistol like so many fucking people in New Jersey
were doing at these fucking drones, and say, best case scenario,
they shot it directly above them. The speed the bullet
leaves the barrel is between nine hundred and thirteen hundred
feet per second, which is, as we all know, fast
as fuck. Once it stops traveling up and starts traveling down,
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the terminal velocity of a nine millimeter bullet is between
one hundred and fifty and two hundred and fifty feet
per second, so substantially less.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
It's the same reason why you don't drop a penny
off the Empire, State Building or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
The penny's mass means the critical the terminal velocity of
that it's not gonna cause damage. It probably won't even
break skin. A bullet will break skin, and it will
hurt you like if it hits you because of the
shape and the fact that it travels at one hundred
and fifty fucking feet per second at a minimum two
hundred and fifty in a maximum, which means that it's
still moving really fast like a penny, has to be
perfectly sideways and not tilt at all, and even then
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like it's still not going to go that fast.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I've watched X Men and I've seen that quarter with
that coin or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Again, he still moves it really really slow. Has nothing
to do with terminal velocity. They're dangerous falling down, but
they're not deadly, is my point. It would have to
be some bizarre thing when you looked up and hit
your eyeball went into your brain. But that's if it
went straight up. If it doesn't go straight up, if
you're shooting it at an angle, which all these fucking
people were doing, it never gets to a point where
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it stops moving and then starts again to travel to
terminal velocity that fucking n and fifty to thirteen hundred
feet per second just goes at an angle up and
then an angle down because it arcs rather than goes
up and then stops and comes down, Which means that
people can get fucking killed from stray bullets because idiots
are out there shooting on what they believed to be aliens.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Did anyone get killed?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I checked. I couldn't find any stray bullets that were
hitting anyone out there, But that was my first thought
when I saw these people shooting, is like, you're gonna
fucking kill someone. And then like two weeks later, we
started watching the Rookie from the beginning, and sure enough
there's a video. There's a fucking episode where a guy
shoots in a drone and he hits someone in the
head of the fucking bullet yeap, And I'm just like, man,
this is just New Jersey like written all over it.
(15:41):
So it is interesting to me that people think that
if aliens traveled across the universe and showed up to
observe us to eventually invade, they could stop it with
a fucking pistol, like they wouldn't have thought of like
projectile weapons before they traveled to our planet, so it's
just bizarre. There's nothing funnier to me, too than people
being afraid of an alien invasion getting hit with falling
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bolts from their neighbors, and that's not what they're afraid.
But it wasn't long before the narrative started to shift
away from the UFOs and the aliens, which I was
relieved to see, and they started moving towards drones and
more importantly, spy drones. These have to be spy drones.
The government's watching us? Why is the government spying on us?
I can't believe they're running secret missions on US soil
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against their own citizens type of thing. I feel like
these are misguided questions, but they're not necessarily wrong for
asking questions of what the fuck are these drones doing everywhere?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I mean with drones though, too, you can be a
private citizen and have a drone.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I'll tell you this. If I was in my teens
or early twenties and I lived in New Jersey while
this was happening, I would have went and bought a
drone just to fuck with people, because it would be
so fucking funny. It's like, you're not going to get
an opportunity to do something like this, or to fly
your drone towards the other drone and see what the
hell it is.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You know, that's true. My sister's drone that she got
was like fast enough to chase a train.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, it was super and it was like five mile
rains too. They can go far as hell. So it's
interesting to me that this is where people's minds went
and they didn't start asking like more rational questions, which
are also still kind of disturbing and really important to ask.
People were posting stuff online and it was so amusing
to me, where it's just like, I can't believe the
(17:27):
government spying on me, trying to collect my information, and
then also complaining why is the government taking away TikTok
just because it collects all.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Of my information?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's like, okay, which government are you okay with having
your fucking info? Because I am so confused. Also, I'm
pretty sure I'm the only person who was like, I
don't give a fuck about TikTok. Kill it off. It
doesn't matter to me at all.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
The whole the whole world celebrated America being off TikTok.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah I heard about that, and it's hilarious to me
that they're like cool, no more American content flooding our
our algorithms. But they were back like very quickly.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It was like fifteen hours or something.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, at most. So that said, I talk all that
shit about TikTok, but I definitely saw a video that
appeared online which was some dude who did some serious
research and identified the type of drone he believed it
to be based off of measurement in the sky, the
alignment of the FAA regulated lights, and the fact that
they're being flown at night, which definitely seemed like a
military thing to avoid people seeing them. Okay, And that's
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when things got really interesting to me because the shape, size,
and light orientation matched that of a military drone whose
primary purpose is to detect radiation. It's not necessarily a
spy drone. It's something that's got a very specific and
deliberate purpose.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So what's going on in New Jersey that's got all
that radiation?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
And that's the question I was waiting for people to ask,
because if you have a bunch of drones flying around
which appear to be informations, what are they fucking looking for?
That was my initial question and so when I saw
this video that said that these things are for detecting radiation,
I was like, Oh, that makes it way more interesting,
if not terrifying. And this begins the period of New
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Jersey UFO saga that I like to call the quote
dirty bomb time what because it became a running theory
online that there were one far less people were shooting
at them once they started thinking that they were military
drones looking to detect radiation. But then people started saying
there is some sort of nuclear threat or nuclear device
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or dirty bomb that has gone missing or is currently
being constructed that is being looked for by the United
States government and they're not telling everyone because they don't
want to start a panic. There are some problems with
this theory, and by some I mean a lot. Okay,
not that anyone stop to think about it before posting
the videos online, obviously, but if there was a dirty
bomb or a rogue nuke on the loose, or someone
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who is building something that was very dangerous that was
using radiation, the idea that the government would wait only
until the evening to look for it is absolutely ludicrous.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
No fucking way they'd be like, well, we gotta wait
until the sun goes down. Like the drones aren't fucking vampires, people,
They can come out during the day, and if there
was an emergency and it was of that magnitude, you
better fucking believe those things are going to be flying
around during the day. They're not going to wait until
there's just straight up a mushroom cloud indicating that they
took too long and they probably should have checked during
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the day. They're just not so These UFOs slash drones
certainly looked like they're the shape and size of a
drone right down to these lights. And as people were
starting to develop their theories, word broke that there was
a piece of medical equipment used specifically for cancer scans,
which if people did not a lot of people did
not include that specific portion of it. Okay, but there's
a piece of medical equipment that had been quote lost
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in transit on December second, and the word actually came
on December fifth to confirm that it was not from
a TikTok conspiracy theory video. It was from the US
Nuclear Regulatory Commission that a piece of medical equipment that
had radioactive material was in transit and when it arrived
on December second, the case was broken, was missing. So
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that was such a strong part of like this theory
that even the mayor of Belleville, Belleville, I think is
how you said it. New Jersey, whose name is Michael Melham,
bought into it so strongly that when he went on
the Good Day New York television show, he said during
that interview, quote, what might they be looking for? Maybe
that's radioactive material. It was a shipment, it arrived at
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its destination, the container was damaged and it was empty.
End quote. Dude said this on national television, so or
regional television.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
They're not saying what it is. They just are saying
it's medical, it's radiation.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well that's how people presented it when they're presenting the
conspiracy theory that said, they absolutely did say what it was.
For those of you really wondering, the missing piece of
equipment was an Eckert and Ziegler model h EGL DASH
zero one three to two, which contains trace amounts of
germanium sixty eight and isotope with a half life of
two hundred and seventy one days, okay, which they fucking announced,
(21:53):
which everyone could have just looked up and seen. I
will post a picture of it on our Instagram.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
A half life of two hundred and seventy one.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Days means hundred and seventy one days. Fifty percent of
that isotope is lead, so in another two hundred and
seventy one days it'll be one hundred percent lead and
no longer radioactive in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
So it's basically a device that looks like a really
large needle that has radioactive material inside it, which is
used for pet imaging or petwo or whatever. They're called
PET PET scans. Not exactly what you think when you
think of a dirty bomb, and you might think like,
can germanium sixty eight be weaponized? Yes, and no on
a very very very small scale essentially, But in most
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cases it's just used as most radiation at this scale
is used in forms of testing, especially when you're looking
for things that are like, you know, cancer. Then after
a few weeks of sightings and people deciding that it
was the end of times, that the guvernment was spying
and everyone or that there was a nuke being built
out of this stuff, everything just stopped. No one saw anymore,
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there weren't in the sky anymore seeing video of them anymore,
people aren't talking about them anymore, and that was it.
It was just like no fanfare, no fanfare, and no
grand battle, no alien invasion, no mushroom cloud. It's entirely
possible they were just testing out the drone fleet and
flying them around at night to avoid too many people
seeing them. And as someone who has lived only a
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handful of miles away from a very active Air Force
base in Nevada for almost a decade, that shit happened.
Sometimes they take their fucking air vehicles out and they
cruise them around, and a lot of times they do
it at night, hopefully over open desert or areas. They
don't think very many people will see it, but you
will hear them go by, you know. So the idea
(23:38):
that there's all these drones going out, it seems to
me like it's some form of practice or maneuvers or
something that they're doing to I don't know if it's
like for a specific purpose or just like regular things
that they've done before. But no one ever took videos
of and there wasn't like a massesteria built around it.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So did they ever announce like just kidding, we weren't
looking for radioactive material.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
No, they never said they were looking for radioactive material.
The US Regulatory Commission for the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission,
when they started saying there was a nuclear weapon that
was missing and all that shit, where like, there is
something missing, but it's a small needle with a tiny
amount of radioactive material in it, like trying to debunk
the theory, but it just wound up feeding into it.
It's like a small needle, Like it's not I shouldn't
(24:23):
say small. It's like a bigger needle. But it's a
small object, you know, It's not like it's this thing
that you would imagine is like got a clock strapped
to it.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
So would you say like lumbar needle.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Or actually sent it to you? So I sent it
to you to go, what's this fucking Wand you sent
me a picture.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Ah, okay, gotta gotta got it, and it'll be on
our Instagram, on our Facebook.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
So it's it's just something that you would see and
not think immediately like, oh, they definitely are gonna dispatch
a fleet of drones to find this thing. Yeah, And
they wouldn't have and they didn't. What they did do though,
like that's still kind of a mystery, Like what do
I think was going on, considering how many were out
there and how frequently they were seen, and asking the
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questions of what could they actually be doing, and avoiding
the ideas of the conspiracy theories and the mass hysteria,
I think there was something happening somewhere in the world
where the drones may have been needed, either now or
in the near future, and they were testing out how
they could sweep a specific area or in a specific formation,
or just testing things they already knew to make sure
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that in like actual practice, it is done the way
they needed to be done. Like if it was with
radiation detecting drones, it's unlikely they would announce what they
were prepping for in any way, shape or form, or
where they would be deploying to. If that were the case,
it would be something where they tested it out. They
did it at night, they didn't tell anyone, and then
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if something happened, you'd never fucking know. All you'd know
is that all the drones were gone.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Is there a military base in or near New Jersey?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, really near where this was happening. Okay, yeah, that
has nuclear material at it. So it's like it makes
sense for these drones to be there. It also makes
sense in a conspiracy theory point of view, where it's
like something's going on, something's wrong. I think it seems
like military maneuvers to test out technology that they thought
they might need to deploy or they needed to test
(26:20):
to make sure was still working. I don't think there
was some like grand conspiracy where they were just sending
out these drones to look for a nuke that went missing.
And also, I just want to point this out, if
that's what was happening, If fucking someone was out there
building a nuke that was going to destroy New Jersey
and you guys saw all these fucking flying radiation drones
(26:40):
and you are not a smoldering ruin, it sounds like
the good guys won maybe pump the fucking brakes and
all the evil conspiracy theories and be like, you know what,
maybe that's what was happening and they stopped it from happening.
It's like when you watch the movie Argo, where they
got all the Americans out by pretending they're part of
a film crew that was filming like a fake thing.
It was a huge CAA operation. They got them out,
(27:03):
it became a movie, it won awards, and what happens
at the end of that operation in real life and
also the end of that movie, they gave Canada the
credit because they can't take the credit for the things
they do. Their successes are hidden, their failures are public.
You know, that is the nature of clandestine operations. So
when you come up with conspiracy theories that never consider
that there was a success. For me, I'm like, that's
(27:25):
just indicative of the mindset that you have. Like you're
a negative person, You're a half glass empty kind of person.
Because for me, I think personally, I look at the
world and I think, I don't know how many times
a day something miraculous happens that keeps me out of
harm's way. Yeah, but I do know that there's a
fuck ton of people out there who have dedicated their
lives to doing that and maybe you just saw evidence
of something that they were doing to try and protect you,
(27:47):
and instead you're shooting at them, which is just the
most bizarre thing in the world to me. But all right, cool,
that's part one of this two part return to Scarish.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I liked it. I had no idea this even like
all these facts that you've come up or seen or researched.
I would have never thought about you know why.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Though, right because you are on TikTok all the time,
where they don't tell you the facts, they just show
you the bullshit.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Like really, just don't like. What's funny is that my
next topic has something to do with TikTok too, does it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, I would have been fine with TikTok going away.
I'm an Instagram guy anyway.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I love TikTok guys. Their search feature chefs.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
She keeps talking about their search algorithm. She searches the
Internet with bing, not Google. You come from a third
world country search engine. So anything impresses you.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Hey, I get free points.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, you fucking better get something given to you for
free for using being fucking gross. It's like using hotmail. Still,
just say, all right, we're gonna move into part two
of my split topic Special to Blow twenty twenty five
wide fucking open. All right, so we're gonna give an
update on a topic that goes all the way back
to nineteen seventy one. And if you're like me, you
(28:58):
heard that and thought, man, that's twenty nine years ago. No,
you old bastard. That's fifty four years ago. No, nineteen
seventy one's a long time ago. So back in nineteen
seventy one, there was a guy named D. B.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Cooper. I would like to point out that I am
also in the next category. Now. You know, when they
ask you how old you are, Oh, you're.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
In the thirty five to forty four. That one really
hurts the first time you got to select that on
a dropdown. It's oof soul crushing.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
It's even worse that I've experienced as someone who's about
to turn forty when the people that used to give
you the slang for the young people that used to
say the things that hurt your soul start complaining about
young people hurting their souls. Yep, it's just like, oh man,
I'm too huge stige. Yeah that's rough, but okay, dB Cooper.
You haven't heard of him, Go listen to the episode
(29:45):
ninety four that Robin covered like I mentioned earlier, and
then come right back here for those of you who
do remember but just need a quick refresher. He hijacked
a plane, got a bunch of fucking money when he
landed it, and parachute took back off and jumped out.
Pull parachute was never seen again.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
If you've seen Loki the show Loki.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
He was dB Cooper and he did it was like
a fucking prank or something like that. Yeah, or a
dare from thor or something like that. Lots of people
have speculator for a super long time about who dB
Cooper actually was and if he survived the jump. That's
one thing that a lot of people talk about, Like
he died, but they never found him, which seems pretty
fucking stupid. I feel like we would have found him
sooner later.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Well, I mean they found money scattered in weird place saw.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Money, not all of it though, Yeah, and they didn't
find his parachute, which is important. So the news that
occurred happened around the same time as the UFO outbreak
In New Jersey. A YouTuber named Dan Grider I think
I'm saying it right, who is a former pilot slash skydiver,
has been posting videos searching for the identity or remains
of dB Cooper. It's like, I think this is his
(30:49):
retirement job. As he became a YouTuber. He talks about
I think other things, but he definitely talks about dB
Cooper okay, and the November update he dropped was a doozy.
He had been contacted by Schante, which I think I'm
saying correctly. And Richard McCoy the third. Who are the
children of Richard McCoy the second? And if you just
listened to episode ninety four, or if you have a
(31:12):
really good memory, you'll recall that some Foxy podcast lady
named Robin Grace had Richard McCoy the second at the
top of her list of suspects for who dB Cooper
could have been. Most folks have him at the top
of their list because he seems the most likely to
refresh your memory. Richard Floyd McCoy the second or junior,
(31:34):
I don't know which one he went by was an
Army veteran who served two tours in Vietnam, which there
was a war there In case he didn't know, yea, yeah.
He was an expert in demolition and an expert helicopter pilot.
It's also worth noting had five months pass after the
famous dB Cooper hijacking before he used a handgun that
(31:57):
wasn't loaded in a fake grenade to hijack another plan.
What demanded five hundred thousand dollars, had the plane land,
was given the money and four parachutes, and just took
the plane back up and jumped the fuck out and
got away. The thing that he fucked up is that
he left his fingerprints on one of the things on
the plane still I think it was a magazine, and
(32:18):
they were able to confirm his identity because he left
a note and they could compare it with things that
he wrote from the military.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Why did he leave a note, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
But what was interesting is that they're already looking at
this guy thinking he was dB Cooper's. They had pulled
his military records and were already comparing handwriting and shit.
So they're like, oh, yeah, it's this guy. This guy
is the one who just did the one. Like dB
Cooper shit happen November of nineteen seventy one. This one
happened April of nineteen seventy two, so like five months later.
So in April, they're like, oh, yeah, that's fucking totally
this guy, he's the one who just did the April one.
(32:47):
They went and found him, and when they found him,
he had the fucking money on him, so they just
arrested him. They tried him and they sent his ass
to prison.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
But was it the money from the first or the second? Okay?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
But when they sent him to prison, he fucking escaped.
What got The best part is I got all of
this information from your script from episode ninety four. I
verified it too, just in case. But he escaped from prison.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I should have already known. Yes, a human being, I
totally forgot.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Okay, he escaped from prison, got tracked down three months later,
got into a shootout with the authorities, and was shot
and killed. That was the end of Richard McCoy the
second So a lot of people think like, this dude
was obviously fucking d B. Cooper, But because he's dead
and they got him on the second one, they never
went back and said like, oh yeah, he was this one.
But people became obsessed with the DV. Cooper crime. And
(33:39):
when the FBI is like, he's the most likely suspect,
but we can't confirm it because he's dead, now everyone thought, well,
there has to be some piece of evidence, like some
of the money or the missing parachute that will eventually
pop up, who will confirm who dB Cooper was. That's
been like the thing people have been looking for for
a long time, and obviously podcasts and YouTube channels been
(34:00):
talking about the mystery of d B. Cooper, So lots
of folks thought this guy was dB Cooper, but there
was some things that people thought, no, it might not
have been him. One of the things is that D B.
Cooper was described as a white dude in his mid forties,
but this guy was in his twenties at the time
of the crime. There is a picture out there of
him where he looks kind of similar to D B. Cooper,
(34:20):
but a lot of the witnesses were like, no, this
was a guy in his middle ages, and this dude
looks too young, So the descriptions don't quite match, okay,
and I think that has a lot of people suss
about whether or not this is him. In any case,
the update that occurred at the end of November is
that his kids that I mentioned earlier, they wanted to
reach out to Dan Grider, who's the YouTuber who's been
(34:41):
investigating and seeing if he could figure out who this
guy was. And they had always believed that their dad
was DBE. Cooper from everything they heard growing up, but
they didn't bring it up because they did not want
to upset their mother. They just sort of let sleeping
dogs lie, okay, But their mom just died recently, and
when they were going through a bunch of her possessions
and old storage that had a bunch of different shit,
(35:01):
they found something that made them say, we fucking knew it.
They reached out to the YouTuber. It was not a
pile of cash. It was an old Ash Air Force
parachute that was their dad's that they believe was the
missing parachute from DV Cooper's jump. They call up Dan Grider,
they connect some dots, they get the FBI involved. The
(35:24):
FBI does show up and they collect the parachute for
the DV Cooper investigation. They did state in twenty sixteen
that the case was closed. They did state that they
would still collect evidence if anything was found regarding a body,
the parachute, or the money. Those are the three things
that they would still take in as evidence even though
the case was closed. And this was supposedly the parachute,
(35:47):
So when the FBI.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Got they have to take.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
It, they have to test it. When the FBI got involved,
they collect the parachute. Video goes up dB Cooper Identity
Solved News comes out, everyone scoops this shit up, reels
and talks or whatever they're fucking called on TikTok. They
start spreading like wildfire, which is a really weird expression
to use with wildfires or quart rounds right now, and
people are saying case closed, DV Cooper mystery is solved.
(36:11):
I got sent a video that goes over how the
dB Cooper mystery is solved, and that's why I was like, oh,
I guess I'll update that too. It's obviously one of
the prime suspects new evidence that links him to the
OG crime. It's got to be a rap, right not
quite enter YouTuber Ryan Burns, a different YouTuber who releases
a video not long afterwards, quote unquote debunking the new evidence.
(36:35):
As a side note, it is so interesting to me
how much traction web sleuths gain by making claims, debunking things,
or making like outrageous claims, like they just need to
do one of the two saying this is real or
this isn't real, and they just get like popular off
of that, or their stuff goes viral because it's just
like the right place, at the right time, at the
very least in this particular crime and this particular argument,
(36:58):
it's either McCoy did it or he didn't, So at
least one of them is right right now, we just
don't know which one. In the case of Ryan Burns,
he does make some pretty strong arguments why he does
not believe the parachute that was found means that Richard
McCoy the second was dB Cooper, And honestly, they're pretty
good points. It's someone that's actually paying attention to the
facts of the case. One piece of information is that
(37:19):
the parachute that was provided to dB Cooper when he
made his demands, it's a known variable. They know what
type of parachute it was, what it looked like, where
it came from. He didn't just have a random one.
He had a Navy parachute. The one that they discovered
in this storaging or whatever was an Air force parachute.
Another piece of information that they knew when they gave
him the parachute is that the one given to D. B.
(37:40):
Cooper was missing what are called d rings, which is
part of the harness that connects the strap to the chute,
as well as cape wells, which is another piece of
the harness that allows you to detach it from the
canopy to prevent the person that's wearing it from being
dragged when they land. D Rings and Cape Wells were
not on the parachute they provided to D. B. Cooper.
They were on the parachute that was found recently and
(38:02):
collected by the FBI. So those are three main details
that make it seem like this is just a parachute
and not the parachute, wrong branch of military, wrong hardware.
So that was enough for a lot of people to
be like, oh, they debunked the thing. Mystery remains because
people really like to attach to a mystery. But those
are really solid details where it's like you have to
(38:22):
take that into account. There were some folks online where
you know, human discourse is always backed by data and
fact checked and respectful, who pointed out that McCoy could
have altered the huote for a future jump since he
clearly planned to do it again. Oh yes, but Burns,
the skeptical YouTuber, said that that would require quote a
(38:45):
master parachute rigger to have all these modifications done to it.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
But he's from the military and worked on helicopters.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
So what it comes down to is we still don't
fucking know well who DV. Cooper is. But there's just
another thing that aligned to it. Was probably the guy
who did a fucking crime identical to it five months later,
went to jail for it, broke out and got shot
to death while trying to escape from the police.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Well, I don't know, because it could be a copycat
that saw this guy do it, and he was like,
I'm in the military, or you know, I've been in
the military, I've done this.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Also said I could do that, Yeah, I could do that. Yeah,
it could be a copycat. But it's really weird, really
fucking weird that no one else tried to copycat, at
least I don't think. Maybe more people didn't got away
with it. That's something that I wish I could have
researched a little bit more, But successful crimes in nineteen
seventy one are a lot harder to dig up than
other things. Also, you'd figure that people would be talking
about a lot more in the dB Cooper case, but
(39:43):
it's just we just don't know. That's what it comes down.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I feel like getting away with crimes in the nineteen
seventies much easier than getting away with crimes in the
no ship era we live in now.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
You know, the best way you can tell the advancements
that have been made and committing crimes and getting away
with it is the Blues brother If you watch the
original Blues Brothers, they just run from the cops. Like
every time they run from the the cops. It's just
like they get away. There's a scene at the beginning
of the first Blues Brothers where they get pulled over
right at the beginning, and Elliott says to Jake, like,
(40:15):
I think they have squads or something like that, and
it's the first way you can like run a license
plate from your squad car rather than like radio it
in and wait forever for it to come back. It
was like the first time essentially that I shouldn't say
the first time, but like he makes reference to the
fact that those cops might have some form of new technology,
which was just a computer that could run his plate
to say that he has a reason to detain him.
(40:37):
So they run and they get away. In the newer
one that came out in like two thousand, they don't
do that, and someone asks him why not, and he says,
you cannot run a motorola because the technology has come
so far that they can enlist people via like whatever
they need to catch you, because it's no longer like, oh,
(40:57):
you can just run away, you know, like the game
had changed between Blues Brother movies. A crime command from
nineteen seventy one to twenty twenty five is so much
fucking harder now, Like it's a full time job to
be a criminal, to try and get away with shit
and not get caught for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
It's freaking nuts, dude.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I was talking to my boss who is a former cop,
and we're talking about the show that we have here
because I've mentioned to him that I wanted to come
on and talk about a serial killer that he participated
in the arrest of. Yeah, and we were talking about
like the audience that is very specific to true crime
and how it overlaps with supernatural. It's all people that
are like fascinated by things that are horrifying, and that's
(41:35):
kind of what it takes, like be a cop, is
you have to like not have the thing that makes
you want to run away. I was like, I've noticed
that there's two types of people that experience true crime
where you're talking about someone, especially in the cases of
like a murder where you're going over details. You're like, Oh,
this person killed this person, this is how they got caught.
There are the people who watch the murder documentaries and
(41:56):
speculate on who did it. I think that's what most
webslutes are. They are people that like speculate on who
it could have been. They're trying to investigate the case.
And then there's the other people who watch it and
they're watching the murder unfold and seeing immediately what's going
to get the person caught, and they're like, fucking amateur.
It's just this bizarre split in the audience where it's
(42:17):
like some people think like cops and some people think
like criminals. Some people think how can I catch them?
And some people think how could I get away with that?
And it's so fucking fascinating to me on I wonder
which one I am because I haven't watched a murder
documentary in a while.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I know your mom at least is the sleuth one.
Oh yeah, because she was able to track down the
person that performed.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, she caught them herself. And the police are just like, yeah,
there's nothing we can do, but yeah, I wonder which
ones you folks are? So think about that the next
time you're going through like a brand new murder documentary
or episode.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Hey, I'm definitely that you're an idiot.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I'm a you're an idiot person. I think too, because
I criticize like things that seem very obvious to me,
like more watching TV shows like Life so dumb?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Why would you why would you leave? You know, hair there?
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Until my boss, I'm like, all these fucking criminals jerking
off on the body's like, what is wrong with them?
And he laughs because he's like, you know, a police officer,
former police officers, like they're you know, part of the
profile sexual gratification or turning the scene into crime being
aroused by I'm like, I get it, but like I
don't want to get fucking caught man like jerk off
at home?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
What is wrong with replay it in your head movies.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Your highlight reel. You don't have to go back to
the scene the crime. But any who, Scarish is back
in twenty twenty five. We hope you enjoyed that. I
don't have a name for both these topics combined, so
we'll just go with and that My Spooky Friends is
episode two hundred and six, three hundred and six.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Oh fuck, it's a lot of episodes. We're both like, God,
we're old. Thank you guys so much for sticking with us.
We did have a good way over on Instagram recently,
and so thank you everybody who participated then the giveaway,
you guys are absolutely amazing. Those have already been shipped out.
I've also ordered a bunch of stuff for Patreon, so
(44:07):
I've ordered some items. I have to make items because
I promised you guys, if you're one of our patrons,
I did promise you guys on Patreon that I would
be handmaking some items.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I've spent the moneys on the should be off to
you soon.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yes, and there's a lot I have things planned twenty
twenty five. I'm gonna try and get my shit together.
But we're really appreciative of everybody that's stuck around through
our hiatus because we were gone for a long time.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
It took us a minute to get back up and running.
But we're happy we are back. And for anyone who
wants to reach out and has a story they would
like to tell us, or a topic they would like
to suggest, or whatever the case.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Make are you DV Cooper?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, I let's know you're DV Cooper. You can email
storytime at scaries dot com or go to our website
scarish dot com and click on contact us. Pull out
that form. It comes directly to us, or us up
on our social media's. Facebook is Facebook dot com slash
Scarish podcast, Twitter is at scaryish pod, and Instagram is
at Scarish Podcast. Yeah. Shout out to everyone who's stuck
(45:12):
by and has just been waiting for the new episode
to drop. We really appreciate you. For anyone who would
like to become a patron Robin, how can they do so?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
You can go to Patreon dot com, slash Scarish podcast
and tears start a dollar. We're really thankful for everybody
who's really been there for us, even though we're pieces
of shit sometimes and take forever to do everything.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
It just happens life finds a way to get in
the way, so it did. But we have cleared the
roadblocks and we're back, so good times.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I hope you guys enjoyed this. That's just about everything
we have for this episode. Robin, go ahead and sign
us out.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Keep on creeping on and we'll talk to you guys later.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Oh bye,
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