May 22, 2025 • 50 mins
Robin and Adam proudly present Episode 312 of Scary(ish)! In this episode, Robin covers a haunting that took place over the better part of two decades that will also serve as the story for the Conjuring 4: Last Rites. Listen, Share, Subscribe, and Review!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey, they're spooky friends and welcome to another episode of
the Scarish Podcast. So I'm Robin graceis is Adam Diaz,
and we've come back refreshed.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I think tag team back again. Check it to reck it.
Let's begin. You didn't grow up in the nineties in
Chicago when the Bulls were winning constantly, So that song
is not drilled into your brain like it is drilled.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Into my You know what's drilled into my brain? Simple
and clean by I don't know what the fuck that
is that song that I just played for you.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Is that the one that goes party on part of people?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Let me hear as DC's in the house Jump Jump
for Joys. Anyway, we are not a podcast about songs,
music and the Bulls. We're a podcast that talks about
Scarish topics.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Whoop there it is indeed paranormal, true crime, extraterrestrial stuff
like that. Anything that could be considered scary ish we
try and cover and we.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Don't take ourselves too seriously either.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
We're not scientists. We like to say that we're not scientists,
but we do our best to try and do some
decent research. But yeah, one of the things I think
is really fun about this particular episode is that after
last episode, I think maybe a week after last episode,
there was a new trailer that released.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yep, I will get there. It's all on my topic.
Please don't ruin.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I don't get to talk about any of this stuff apparently,
so fuck me, my bad. No for serious though it was,
it was funny to see how locked in Robin and
I were and then yeah, I'll let her tell the
rest of it on her. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
We've been incredibly busy these past couple weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So I turned forty.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
He did turn forty, so I was in.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Arizona to do so because I had work off sites.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I wonder if people that are new to the podcast
know that we're like older, you know, we're not like
youngin's when.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
We started this podcast, I was thirty three, I was
maybe thirty two.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I wasn't even thirty yet. Yep, it's been a while.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It's been a minute. We started this in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
If you've been with us since then, you've stayed a
while and.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Listen, and you're also old now too. We got emails
our first year from folks who I was just like, okay, cool,
they're a little bit young, but like it's well written
and we'll read it. Those people are all in their twenties.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
People have been married and babies have been made in
the time we've been doing this podcast. And when we
say people, I mean like our spooky fan you know.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
People posted like Okay, I had a kid. Yeah for sure. Anyway,
we've been doing it for a while.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We've been we've been really busy. So thank you guys
for appreciation or not appreciating. We appreciate you for being
patient with us because we've been living.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
We basically do every other week at this point, and
I think that's a good cadence for our lives currently.
If we can get you an episode every week, we
absolutely will, But realistically every two weeks seems to be
a cadence that we're sort of falling into based off
of how busy we do get.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So yeah, yeah, and I mean we've had deaths happen.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know, it's two grandparents. End of the year. I'm
going back to Chicago for a memorial, so that'll be
super fun. Obviously the year, end of the month, end
of the month, end of May. So yeah, and then
I you know, work trips stuff like that stack up
life happens.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Life happens. It comes at you fast.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I hate you so much. Not go anywhere for a while.
Grab a scary ish, But yeah, I think overall that
we're always working towards the next episode. This episode is
definitely one of those ones that you've been working on
your script for like a week.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So it's it's like it's always fresh in our minds.
It's always it's always a coming, it's always on its way.
So you're making a face because you read too much smut, bro,
because that word means on the way.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Okay, well, let's get into topic. It's been ten minutes
of USA.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
It hasn't. The audio was waiting for you to step
in the office for twelve minut for you grace this
office with your presents.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Okay, So if you've known us for a while, you
know that one of our all time favorite horror movies
has to be The Conjuring.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay, what is your all time favorite? We haven't done
this in a minute.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It's probably The Conjuring.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You've watched it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I've watched it a ton, and I don't know what
yours is.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
You're lying Attack, No The Conjuring has to be top three,
my top because I've watched it so many times. And
I mean, if I had to make a list, maybe
I'll make a list. We'll post it on our website.
I don't know, because we watch a lot. I watch
(04:50):
a lot of horror movies, and there are certain ones
that I'll watch over and over again, Like I'll watch Scream,
I know what you did last summer, things like that.
I don't like the Saw movies.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Sorry, I was like one franchise that you don't fall
asleep to.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, I'm just like I I watch Saw. I'll watch
the movies, but it's not one where if I see it,
I'll immediately put it on. Like if I don't know
what movie I want to put on, I'll put on
The Conjuring all the time. Yeah, but we do know
that a lot of the Ed and Lorraine Warren involvement
(05:28):
in that case of the parents haunting in the movie
was fiction. A lot of it is like skirting the
line of the truth.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Right there is absolutely liberty taken and yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Absolutely obvious, absolutely, but it doesn't make it any less
entertaining for me, Like I love how spooky it is,
how cheesy. It is, and some of the scenes are
legitimately scary for me. And like the the sheet that
falls and it's like covers the body of a person,
but there's no one actually there outside.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah. Yeah, it floats up to the window and all
of a sudden when she's very well shot scene, yes,
or when.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
She's standing under the tree and you just see the
legs hanging. Yeah her. Like certain scenes in that movie
are just so uh, it freaks me out. It's scary.
It's really good. And Patrick Wilson and Vera from for
Me is it for Mega Mia? I wish I knew
(06:26):
how to pronounce her name because I feel like a
fucking moron. But they're both absolutely gorgeous people. I think
they are absolutely perfect for those roles. Patrick Wilson is
good in like all the horror movies he's in, because
he's in quite a few of them. Yeah, he is insidious.
He's in.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Pretty horrible.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
He's in there that there's that Netflix movie where it
was like the corn or the wheat or whatever, and
you go once you go into the field of wheat,
like time passes differently, Like it's very weird. Yeah, he
ends up being like a bad guy in that movie.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I think spoiler alert.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I've only watched it.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Spoilers.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I've only watched it once, and it's old. If you
haven't seen it already, come on.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
But it's weird for me. This is how old I am.
It's weird for me. You say it's old, but it
came out on Netflix because I'm like, I remember when
Netflix was like you were getting DVDs in the mail.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I remember when you wanted to use Netflix on your PlayStation.
You had to have a separate disc to put into
your PlayStation and then you could stream whatever from that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I remember when Netflix started. I remember when PlayStation started.
I remember before the Internet.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Okay, PlayStation started to But yeah, so these two actors,
this actor's actress, these two actors, they just keep my
attention glued to the screen, and so I was so excited.
This is not an ad for this movie, Okay, this
(08:03):
is just how much I love this franchise and these
two But if you wanted to sponsor us, that'd be
absolutely incredible. But it's the final installment of the Conjuring
franchise and the final installment of us being able to
see these two actors as and Lorraine Warren and so yeah,
(08:27):
the Conjuring last rites the trailer came out and I'm
so jacked, Like I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It's a good trailer. When the third Conjuring trailer came out,
I was like I covered that already and I was
so proud of myselself.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
But then the movie came out and it was.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Just not anything like it.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, the entire time we were watching the third movie,
where like we've covered this topic, this is not at
all the vibe.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I mean, like the second movie has Frenchy in it,
and I was just like, I remember Frenchy. I covered
him a epio so twenty one, and I was just like,
oh wow, this is nothing like this dude's life that
the real story behind it is so much sadder and
horrifying than like the way they had to Like maybe
he's not on the second one, maybe he's in the prequel,
(09:15):
I don't remember, but yeah for this one, I was
just like, I don't know if we've covered that, Like
that was my immediate reaction, Like this does not sound familiar.
And I'm like, we've done three hundred and eleven episodes, yes,
most of them with dual topics. How could we not
have covered this, right.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
What's funny is that my next in my script, my
next little section begins with so I wasn't the biggest
fan of the Devil Made Me Do It?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
That one was way more of a love story. I think.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I think it was more of a love story between
Ed and Lorraine. And I don't know if that was
on purpose, because I think it was made towards the
end of Lorraine's life and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I also think that the Devil Made Me Do It
case does not have as much of a like haunting
to it. It's a lot more courtroom drama shit. Then
it was like a haunting like the first two conjurings, right,
because like, this thing happens, and the guy basically tried
to in a court of law use the defense of
the devil possessed me and forced me to do this,
(10:11):
which was like fucking crazy and unheard of. So this
one was more along the lines of like, He's like,
we didn't prevent the haunting from happening. We didn't prevent
the bad thing. We're just investigating what caused it type
of thing. Yeah, So the third one was a bit different.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, And I think part of it was you know,
you had researched it, so we were watching it with
these eyes of this wasn't what we know.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, it wasn't what I expected.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I yeah, and it wasn't again like you were saying,
it wasn't a genuine scary movie as we expect from
this series because of the movies before, and maybe it
just didn't live up to the hype that I have
for the Conjuring as a whole. But despite that disappointment,
(10:54):
I still have so much hope for this last installment.
Like I am in incredibly excited and saying goodbye to
a pair that really kind of became so real to me,
Like those two actors are Edd Lorraine warned for me?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It's sad, but all things must come to an end, right.
They can't play these characters forever. Technically they could, because
they're going to age and then they could be old
Edd Loraine Warren, like come on, you know, but guess sure.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I just it's funny to me because it is a
very profitable franchise, which is why they continue to release them.
So I'm curious what their plans are after this. Are
they going to reboot it or you know, I mean,
that's a topic for a different thing. But it's just
weird to me that they're going to say, like, Okay,
this is the last one we're going on on, let's
do it. I was not anticipating that maybe their contracts
are just stuff and they're like, we're overplaying these two characters,
(11:48):
like we want to move on and do more with
our careers. They've I mean, they've obviously both had very
very good careers.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
It could be something where the family, the Warren family,
now that ed Loraine are gone, they're like, we would
like to move on from that and do something different.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I felt that this whole thing was certainly building towards
Amityville because they had involvement in Amityville. Yeah, and it
was fairly notorious, and I thought that's how it would
wrap up with them like getting involved in Amityville. Like
if it was a movie, if I was writing it, it
would like the final one would be Amityville. They get there,
the new family is fucked up, they prevent the murders
(12:25):
from happening, they get accused of faking everything after they
saved the day, and they decide like, let's hang up
the spurs, and that's the end of it. That's how
I would write it. Maybe that's what happens with the
Smirl case. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I mean, I thought that the Amityville horror case would
be somewhere in the movie franchise because in the first movie,
you know, Patrick Wilson or Ed, you know, the guy
who plays Ed, tells the family like, you know, we
had this case and it took a really big piece
out of her, and it was that Amneyville horror case,
(13:00):
the one where she freaks the fuck out and locks
herself away.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I thought the case that he referenced was when she
was trying to exercise Frenchy, because the beginning, the beginning
of the first one is her trying to exercise Frenchie
and they mentioned that he died because he did die.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Maybe it was the second one. I've watched these movies
so many times that they're.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Got to watch all nineteen of them again.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
They're all, They're all, yeah, we gotta watch them all
again because they kind of blend together. Because that universe
is so intermixed, you know, with Anabelle and all those
it's very.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Hard to keep track of him too, because like the
conjuring was originally based off of a haunting and two
people that existed, and then he gets like the none too,
where it's like, none of this shit's based off of
anything except for maybe a location and a person like
Frenchie's in it again, Like they get kind of fucking wild,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I love them. I you know, the whole entire Conjuring universe. Annabelle,
the actual dolls on tour. Now, did you know that?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I did not. I think it is Zach Bagel's taking
her on tour to try and get change.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I don't think it's her, I think or him. I'm sorry.
I think the Warrens are just like your contract is
up at the Bagan's Museum, We're going to movie somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I thought contract might be the reason why the Conjuring
franchise hasn't veered into Amityville, because I have a feeling
that story.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Specifically is under a separate contract.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, it's probably so if the rights are probably owned
by someone else entirely, but who the fuck knows?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Man. Yeah, anyway, we've talked about the movies way too much.
Obviously we enjoy it, Obviously we think it's entertaining, and
obviously we want more, But the end of this series
is going to be told through the events that occurred
during the Smurle Family Haunting between nineteen seventy four and
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nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It's a long haunting.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So when we heard that this would be the dract
drag Bop so when we so when we heard that
this would be the backdrop to this movie, we immediately
knew that we had to cover it, and we were
I forget, we were probably at a work function of
(15:13):
yours when this trailer came out and I was just like, I,
this is gonna be my topic. I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It was even before like was it, yeah, because I
had a tab up on my thing. I had just
like done the episode because it was a me episode,
and I was like, oh, she's next, Okay, whatever she
picks doesn't matter. I'm gonna do this. And then I
asked you what your topic was going to be and
you told me that. I was like shit.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
So yeah, we obviously we got so excited we had
to do it because why not. So we're going to
set up ourselves or I guess prep ourselves for this
movie that is set to release September fifth, twenty twenty five. Again,
not an ad. We just are really excited.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
At least three spooky friends reached out to us and
they're like.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I can't Yes, I'm so jacked. I'm very excited. So
let's begin with Jack and Janet Smirle from West Pittston, Pennsylvania.
That's here.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
A lot of happens in Pennsylvan.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I think, you know, a lot of those areas have
a lot of those giant utility towers, those electrical towers,
and a lot of things that I have heard or whatever.
I don't even know that any of the houses, any
of these locations that are based under these big have
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a lot more things occur in them. So I don't
know if that's the case here, I'm not sure, but
it's here in the US. This isn't a typical haunting.
And they claimed their home was inhabited by a demon,
because why wouldn't it be. They moved in with their
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young daughters into this duplex home on Chase Street in
August of nineteen seventy three after flood damage forced them
out of their Wilkes Bar Home home. And it was
a duplex, so Jack's parents lived on the right half
of the house, and they lived on the left.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Half of the house was a side by side.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Side by side. Yeah, yeah, side by side.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I lived in a side by side.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I think I sent you a picture of it.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
It's not split down the middle, so it just looked
like a house to me.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. If you look at the picture,
there's two doors, so yeah, split side by side. And
I would like to also point out that they spent
eighteen thousand dollars off this house. Eighteen thousand dollars. It's
crazy to think that fifty two years ago you could
buy this house, I know, eighteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah. True demon is greed, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
The true demon is this generation making fun of us
for having our birth years start with a nineteen.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I don't know how you turn this into people being
mean to us about being old, being mean to me
all you want about being old, if I could afford.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
A fucking out, but it cuts deep, dude, having people
kids be like oof, you know, cuts deep. Anyway, real
estate prices absolutely freaking insane. I have been talking about
it for like the past three days. I feel like anyway,
when they moved in, they started claiming that there was
something wrong with their house that they're that there just
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had to be a demon. What's horrible about the fact
that it was so cheap is that even if you
do the inflation calculation of how much the dollar is worth,
I'm sure that house it's.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Still like two hundred and two thousand, but it'd probably
be listed right now for a million million. Yeah, yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Sad. Anyway, this was a fixer upper home. Okay, it
wasn't just like one of these was a bit of
a fixer upper. It wasn't like these brand new build homes.
It was a fixer upper. They had to put elbow
grease into the repairs, and that's the during the renovations
and things like that, that's when weird stuff started to happen. Supposedly,
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so too would go missing, and then they would reappear.
Old wall stains would appear through fresh coats of paint.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That's a fun symptom of a haunting.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
But the idea that they had two very young daughters
could explain the tools, because kids do that. The stains
to the paint, though, that I think requires a more
experienced professional to explain, because I don't know if that
can happen normally. I know, for you know, our garden
(19:32):
walls and things like that, there's I want to say effervescence.
I don't think it's effervescence. Efflorescence. Efflorescence is when you
know that that white stuff starts culling up the walls,
like I know that can happen. But can stains kind
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of come through paint.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Stains can through paint. There's specific paint. I mean, I
had to repaint the officer house, but there is paint
that can cover it, especially if you do like a
primer first. Here's one thing I will say. This is
a little bit, a little bit of a tangent. But
I don't know if you remember the Fox show from
the nineties dating myself here called Factor Fiction and they
would tell you like mostly ghost stories. It was the
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guy who played Riker I think was his name on
Star Trek the Next Generation. I don't know his name
because I didn't watch Star Trek, but they would give
you three stories.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Them would be true, one of them would be fake,
or two of them will be fake and one of
them will be true. I remember watching it with my
family and there was one episode about like a detective
interrogating a suspect and he beats the shit out of him,
and like on his way out, he like coughs up
blood on his hand and he holds his hand against
the wall to keep from falling down in the interrogation
room and leaves a bloody handprint. And then that guy
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dies later and the cop doesn't get in trouble, and
then every time that cop goes into the room, the
bloody handprint is back, and like they keep painting over
and it keeps bleeding through, and finally they like fucking
just take the drywall out, and uh they do something.
I think it might actually might be brick, but they
do something where it's like completely scraped clean so that
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the handprint won't be there anymore. Yeah, And he goes
in there alone one night and he's like writing and
it appears and he sees the guy's ghost and it
strangles chills, literal chills, And I'm just like, oh, fuck,
this one's definitely fake. And that one was based on
true story, and my whole family freak were like no
fucking way. And uh so when I was like trying
to paint over stuff, I like at the old house
(21:34):
before we moved out. YEA, yeah, I was like, fuck,
this reminds me so much of that stupid Factor fiction show.
So this like like stain bleeding through thing, Like there's
a precedent in my history of hearing creepy ghost stories.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Okay, so today you are the I want to believe
and uh, I mean I'm not the skeptic in this situation.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I never the skeptic, but unless it's a claim I'm
making outside of the show, So okay.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
So they would have on top of that, they would
have the typical cold zones where the temperature would drop
really suddenly. Even kitchen appliances were supposed to have caught
fire despite being unplugged, and the family experienced loud, unexplained noises,
foul smells, their mattress would get shaken, and even more
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violent acts than that. So despite the reports of these
things going on, Jack was able to go through life.
You know, he got promoted as a job. He was
able to be his daughter's softball team coach. Janet got
pregnant while they were there, and she was you know,
top notch mom duties. She still had time to organize
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an anti drunk driving group at the local high school,
they were, you know, a nice family, seemingly nice family,
and then life started, you know, not being so nice.
Mary Jack's mother had a heart attack, and then it
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started getting harder and harder for them to make ends meet.
Not because his mom had a heart attack. Those aren't connected,
I'm sure, but you know, things happen. Life is hard.
Weird stuff started increasing, and Janet thought she started hearing
Mary call her name, and Mary thought she was hearing
Jack and Janet having horrible, verbally abusive fights, like they
(23:24):
thought that they would hear things that weren't actually happening. Wow,
it seems like it could happen though, right like that,
when you have a building like that where you're living
left and right sharing a wall, you know, and you
hear yelling or whatever, it seems like it could happen.
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In a situation where a family is starting to struggle,
there's going to be fights, there's going to be things that,
you know what I mean, And I don't know. I'm
sure when Janet was hearing Mary call her name, she'd
go over there and be like, hey, I heard you
call him the name. What's up? And she's like, I
didn't say anything, which would be kind of creepy. But
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I've definitely been the couple. We've been the couple who've
had fights before.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I don't think we've ever thought never once, you're a liar.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Fun fact about scary Ish, it almost didn't exist because
I think the second or third episode we had a fight.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
We had a fight about life five.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Minutes into the episode and just sat silent, yeah, across
from each other, staring at for like thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
But that's because we used to record at like two
in the morning, and we're like super exhausted and super
you know, you get annoyed. But anyway, yeah, so, so
these things were just stacking on top of each other.
At one point, their dog had somehow been thrown into
a wall. One of their daughters was pushed down a
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flight of stairs.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
That's also horrible.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
The family experienced physical and sexual abuse by the scene
an unseen entity for years.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
This is starting to throw red flags from me.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
So Jack claimed that one night he was lying next
to Janet. He turned to look at her when he
heard someone that sounded like a young woman was whispering.
When he turned to look at her, he saw what
was like he described as a shadowy figure going up
her leg.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
What the heck?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So you know that's creepy. Supposedly, neighbors would hear screams
coming from the house while the family was.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Out, while they were out, while they were outy.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yes, some sources say that the neighbors were actually sympathetic
to what they were going through because they would hear
all these weird things happening while they were gone. Then
nineteen eighty six happens comes the arrival of our protagonists
and Lorraine warned of they had actually helped the mother
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of a local professor and were recommended to the Smurls
in this in this instance, and they came in. They
asked the Smurls a bunch of things, like asking about
their religion, like their religious beliefs, their family life, Like
they would ask stuff like, you know, do you believe
in like Satanist things like do you do rituals? What
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have you done? They want to rule out, you know,
opening up of some sort of portal or something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Nothing really pointed to the family having opened up some
sort of connection to the other side themselves.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
They're like, we do all of our blood orgy stuff
on an altar outside of town, so how should be pretty?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
According to Ed, the self proclaimed demonologist, the entity that
inhabited their home was incredibly powerful, and Lorraine felt that
there were four different entities that lived within the home.
So she thought that there was an elderly woman that
I was harmless, a young and possibly violent young girl.
I mean I said young twice, a man who had
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suffered and died within the home, and a demon that
used the other three spirits to torture the family.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So it's a lot on your plate, you know. If
what Lorraine was saying was true, that's a lot. That's
a lot to deal with in one home. I mean,
I think there's only the two of us in our home,
and I feel like it's too much some.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Time, I'm like smiling and nodding. I know it doesn't
come across and podcasts very well.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
But during Ed's investigation, he was alleged to have recorded
the sounds of knocking and rapping that had been done
by demons. I'm sure they were like, oh good, look
a slim shit. I don't know if he know he
was too young, huh in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, I think he was probably born in the eighties. Okay,
I feel like he's.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Slightly green mile or a green mile. Eight mile is
like kids eight Miles, like early.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Two thousands, right, I was in high school and it
came out, So I'm pretty sure two thousand and two
or two thousand and three, I was eight mile came out.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
What about Green Mile? When did Green Mile come.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Out earlier than that? I'm pretty sure it's.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Gotta be nineties. Oh my gosh. Those are very different movies. Guys,
Please don't search for one thinking you're gonna watch the other.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Uh, don't watch. Okay, if you watch Green Mile when
you're trying to watch eight Mile, you'll be annoyed. But
if you try and watch Green Mile you watch eight
Mile on an accident, you will be shocked. I think
that's the best way to put it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
They're so different, but they're both good movies.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I've never seen eight mile. I think I know, mom,
spaghetti and all that shit.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I think you would enjoy it, to be honest, probably would. Yeah,
I think you'd enjoy it. Okay, it's funny because today,
I well, not just today, this week, we're like introducing
the younger generation of kids to movies we watched growing up.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I mean, your younger coworkers.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, well yeah, but they're gen z.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Okay, you said the younger generation of kids. To me,
that actually means children like you're going in volunteering to show.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Kids Like I know, my coworkers are like ten years
younger than me, maybe more than that, but we introduce
them to Final Destination. Okay, So you know anyway.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Final Destination too has that opening scene that is fairly iconic.
But if you rewatch, I should say rewatch, if you
watch the behind the scenes, it does show you immediately
that when they tested the laws.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yes, yes, logs don't bounce, yeah, but they can still
shoot backwards into your window.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
They can slip all over the place for sure. If
they don't touch the ground, then yeah, that means you're
also following a log truck too close.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
But any who, anyway, can't wait for that movie to
come out either.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
It's out and people love it and I've already shown
you their reviews.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Oh, we should watch.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
It made twice its money in three days.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
We should go watch.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It made twice its budget in three days.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Okay, So recordings of Knocking Wrapping by Demons mixtape got mixtape, yep.
But when it comes to audio and not video. I'm
more inclined to believe that it could be anything that
makes the noise. Really, I don't like the idea of
only having audio recordings, right, I like.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Video recordings in the eighties though, were shit, you know,
like you shoulder mounted fucking cannon. Yeah for a VH,
like you loaded a full VHS tape, which you know,
kids nowadays don't know what those fucking look like. Oh lord,
but yeah, it's you know, it was not great quality,
so it would be hard to catch something. I think
audio quality, although there's definitely been like leaps and bounds
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and blah blah blah, you could probably get a more
reliable sound that would mimic what you heard versus, you know,
a video camera that will not really represent what you're
seeing because the fidelity was such dogshit back in the day.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah. It just watching home videos of me as a kid,
I'm like, what in the the lurry is this.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I haven't watched a home video of myself my parents
three decades.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
My parents have a VHS of me as a baby,
and I'm just freaking going ham on picking my nose, dude,
you'd love it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, I mean, not much has changed.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Bro anyway. Supposedly when they try to persuade the demon
to leave by playing religious music and prayer, it would
rattle the furniture and mirrors, which you know trains could do.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
That doesn't seem like if it's on cue, that that
would be something that you could really replicate. Yeah, if
you were like testing it with various different religious songs.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But if you're playing it throughout the day, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, if you're just playing it straight through and every
now and then it rattles. Yes, a lot of the
things you've described im and like, I've experienced these things too.
But in an apartment in a fucking duplex right next
to train tracks or my entire apartment, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I should look and see if there's any trains around
or something like this to this property, cat.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
And see call people liars forty years after.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Well, they didn't have to wait forty years for people
to say that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
So.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
According to Ed, he even witnessed a quote unquote dark
mass form within the home and felt the temperature drop
when that happened. He even said that the demon left
him a message on a mirror once telling them.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
To get out. Did it actually say get out or
did it say something else along the lines of like go.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh quote unquote get out.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Okay, cool, yeah right, demon speaks English. That's nice of it.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know what, though, maybe it's like the Tartest. Once
you're in the zone, you can just.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
No, no, the tartist does the translating. Unless the demon
has a tartist. Your theory is he is the tartest. No,
that makes no sense. Doctor, who isn't the tartist?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, but he's also not a demon.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
This makes zero sense. So you're saying the tartest equals demon.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, but I mean it's an entity in the outside
of the normal limits of time in space.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Is so hard to try and believe, okay.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Anyway, anyway, of course, with many of these investigations by
Ed Lorraine Warren, they were said to be biased. These
two were said to just be in it for the money,
you know, making up stories things like.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
That, up the story, cash in on it.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Their investigations just weren't objective when it came to looking
into these claims, despite you know, in the movie, I
think at one point they're like, this was just pipes,
you know, this is just this that oh yeah, yeah, okay,
considering they made their money off of ghosts and demons
and hauntings and things like that. I am not shocked
(33:38):
by this. I am not shocked that people were like,
this doesn't seem right or this isn't real or whatever.
But they turned this case into a spectacle. It's just
what they did. And people would camp in front of
their house, the family's house. Wid Yeah, so people would
camp in front of their house. The family would have
(34:00):
borders and cameras on them all the time. Cars would
drive past just to see if they could see something.
It was just it became a media circus, you know.
And uh. The home was blessed by several priests, supposedly
on a number of different occasions, and they each reported
that there was quote no harmful activity on the property
(34:24):
end quote. So you know, priests came in, priests went.
None of them were like, this is weird. It feels
bad in here, because sometimes when you enter a place,
you can feel it.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
That there's something like this place says bad vibes.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I'm trying to think of where we went to recently
where we're like, this is weird. I don't know, I
feel like we visited somewhere that was Arizona. We went
somewhere where it was like we went on a tour
and one of the rooms and the tour was really weird.
I don't remember, but Janet Smrle claimed that she had
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a priest who remained unidentified by her word, had performed
three unsuccessful exorcisms. She claimed that the demon avoided the
exorcisms by moving between the double block home, so it
would go to the other side and it would fall
(35:26):
demon handbook, and it would follow the family to the
other locations. To other locations that they went to, demon
wouldn't be bound, so it would follow them on vacations.
It would even follow Jack to his workplace, and weird
things would happen wherever.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
You like to think the demon would take it easy
if they went to like a really nice place, like
all right, you guys, picked I loved Disney.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Disney has ghosts too. We've already talked about this.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
That's what I'm saying. He would have had a blast.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
A local priest from their diocese spent two nights in
the home in nineteen eighty six and noted that nothing
unusual happened, So he stayed there for a couple of days,
noticed nothing weird happened. And left, and I totally understand that, Like,
how long do you really want the priests to stay
(36:14):
at your house? You know. Paul Kurtz, a professor at
the State University of New York at Buffalo, was the
chairman of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims
of the Paranormal at the time. That's a fucking mouthful. Yeah.
He claimed that what the family was experiencing wasn't an
(36:35):
actual demon but a delusion, an hallucination pretty much, and
he recommended that they submit themselves to psychiatric and psychological evaluation.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I mean it realistically, like, let's say it was a
group delusion thing, they would sincerely believe what was happening.
And if it was a group delusion powerful enough to
produce a hallucination for all intents and purposes, it would
be real to them.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
You also have to think about the fact that they
had two young children, two very impressionable young children, and
they grew up with that going on for years, So
what else do they know, you know? And then they
had a baby while they're there, so that child knows
even less of any other way of living. It's just
(37:23):
an interesting situation. But to be fair with his claim,
of them needing an evaluation. Jack Smurle did have surgery
in nineteen eighty three to have water removed from his
brain because he was experiencing short term memory loss as
(37:44):
a result of meningitis when he was younger. And we
all know, maybe we don't all know, meningitis fucks you up.
If you leave meningitis un checked, you can lose your hearing.
You know, it melts your brain. It meningitis is awful.
(38:06):
You can hear stories of people getting menag it. I
just watched a video where a girl got meningitis while
she was in college and she didn't even know she
had it, and it was absolutely debilitating for her. And
it's horrible, horrible stories of people with meningitis. It's horrible.
You guys should should I don't know, maybe it'll traumatize you,
(38:28):
but on our show there, yeah, it's pretty awful. So
you know, that could explain why weird things were happening
or he was seeing weird things. You know, anytime you
mess with your brain or your brain chemistry or anything,
weird stuff goes on. Your brain does crazy stuff, Like
(38:49):
I think there was one thing I heard, like if
you stare in a mirror long enough, you will see
something because your brain like makes you see weird shit, isn't.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
It the mirror tunnel where it has to be a mirror.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Behind it, and then you eventually will see something at
the end right. I don't know if that's real, but I.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It sounds very much like a wise taiale for sure.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Maybe I'm not gonna do it though, you know, I
don't need to see something in there.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
What if when you do that, it like connects you
to the other universes that are out there, like every
parallel universe that exists, for every alternate decision that every
person that's ever existed is made, and that there's like
one evil version of you when the tunnel is connected,
where you see like all the endless rows of yourself,
like they're just crawling closer that, bro, and then you
(39:40):
stop looking at it, and then they're stuck in that dimension,
and then they fuck with whoever's in that dimension.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Imagine seeing something at the end right of this the
top mirror tunnel, and then it starts running at you
really really fucking fast, and it's in your face before
you look away, bro, bro, but you can't you, I mean,
it's on both sides of you.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
That's how you okay, it's on both sides because you're
looking at.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
It, well you say, look away. I just think about
Liz playing that VR exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
She protected because she refused to look at what.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
VR continuing on. So it wasn't just Kurtz that thought
that there was something else at play here with this situation.
There were a number of people who thought there may
be other, less demonic explanations for what the Smirls had
been experiencing. Considering a number of priests reported nothing out
of the ordinary, I lean more towards there having been
(40:34):
something else at play here. The believer in me wants
to really think that something menacing, menacing like a demon existed.
But you have to really think about the mental state
these people were in things that they were going through.
I mean, if there were a demon though, or or
evil spirits or something, the stress the family was going
(40:58):
through would just amp the situation up more. You know.
They thrive on that sort of energy. In collaboration with
Ed and Lorraine Warren and a scrant newspaper writer named
Robert kuran The or Kurran, the Spurls ended up writing
and publishing a book about their story in nineteen eighty
six titled The.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Haunted I'll pay us money please.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yep. This is after their complaints that they were tired
of the media attention. So they complained that they were
sick of the media attention and then release a fucking book.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Maybe they're like, maybe if we write this, people will
leave us alone.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I don't know. After its release, it came under scrutiny
for its one sided account of the events because it's
only it's their side. It was said to be poorly
written and had no actual facts that could be backed
by any physical evidence or witnesses outside of the smurls
to support their statements.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
It's their story.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
It's fiction. That's what people are saying.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
It's their story, regardless of if you want to call
it fiction. Like they published a book and said, this
is our story of what's happened to us. That's right,
but you can't prove it. It's like, okay, cool, what
the fuck do you want from them to prove it?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Right?
Speaker 2 (42:10):
They wouldn't be putting it in a book if it
wasn't just them telling you their story. And even if
it all is all made up, it's still just their story.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
So the same year it was released, Joseph Adenisio, a
reverend of the Immaculate Conception Paris Paris Patty Parish in
West pitps.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
That I didn't do the all.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
H Parish in West Pittson stated that this Merles felt
that after having done some intense prayer, things were back
to normal.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
That's all it took.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Huh uh huh, a book and some prayer. Then the
next year, Janets Merle was back again, telling reporters that
they still heard knocking and saw shadows.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Did she go out to find her or were they
bothering her at her home?
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I I'm not sure, totally different cons it is very
different context, but I couldn't tell you I wasn't there. Unfortunately,
they had a two hour made for TV movie that
was released by twentieth Century Fox in nineteen ninety one
called The Haunted Like their book, and it was written
by the same people that wrote the book. And the
(43:25):
Smurls moved out of their home and then a woman
named Deborah Owens moves into it in nineteen eighty eight.
She reports that she never encountered anything supernatural while living there.
Everything was fine, and Danna.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Were playing Devil's advocate. If it's a fucking demon, it
could have just followed them when they left.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
So right, yeah, what about the other ghosts that were there?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I mean, it takes them with part of its toolkits
torture this family or it's bullshit.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Obviously, So I want to believe that something happened for
them just because it was such a media spectacle, I
really do, especially with the hype of the new movie
coming out. You know you want it to be based
on a true story and have the true story be true.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Well, I mean you would hope that anything that you
see that's in a movie that's based on a true
story is as true to the story as possible.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Right, you don't want you don't want a Pearl Harbor situation.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I've never seen that movie. Of seeing that.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Movie, but Josh HARTND.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Don't even care if Ben Affleck in it is Okay,
maybe not, I'll say its watch Underwe.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
She plays a hot nurse.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
She's played okay, whatever Kate beckhamsale plays, it's the hot version, come.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
On, Okay. Anyway, Like I said in the beginning of
the episode, I'm more in love with the cast and
the story that they're portraying that.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
This is really your I want to believe topic.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
I want to believe, yeah, but I don't know if
I can because so much of it can be explained away,
or I'm skeptical because there was so much monetary gain
when it came to this, like that house that the
Bagan's guy bought, where he was like, I'm blind. Anyway,
(45:25):
I'm more in love with the cast and the story
that they can bring to life. And it could be
made up of completely different people and events, like it
doesn't have to be based on a true story, and
I would still enjoy it, maybe enjoy it more because
I'm not looking at it and picking holes in this
(45:46):
isn't real or this isn't real or whatever. You know,
I just enjoy a really good horror movie, and I
really hope that they make a really good horror movie.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
This is the ingredients for it, for sure. It is
as far as the story goes, you know, a fairly
straightforward kind of Ed and Lorraine Warren haunting. They show up,
they make the claims that the demons and ghosts through there.
Somehow a book is spun out of it, and a movie,
a made for TV movie, albeit but still a movie
is spun out of it, and then the family moves
on with some extra cash in their pocket. That said,
(46:18):
if I'm speculating, and I'd love to hear your speculation
too as to what the Conjuring Four will be about
when it comes to this story that we've just heard,
I would imagine they'll somehow tie this demon back to Eden,
Lorraine or ed Lorraine's family and make it about like
you got to connect your story, you know, if, especially
if you're doing trilogy, is the third one always links
(46:39):
up super hard to the first one, which they kind
of didn't do so much in The Devil made me
do it because they already told the story of the
Valick Demon and like how the history of like the
Nun and blah blah blah blah blah. So it'll be
kind of hard to do that considering that they gave
like the Valiic Demon like the ending to the arc
and then told the backstory. And unless somehow the Valic Demon,
(47:01):
which is apparently only attached to Lorraine Warren in the
movies in her bloodline, is still just randomly popping up
around the world, tormenting people right to lure her in.
So we'll see what happens with it. I do hope
they at least make a good movie out of it. Yeah,
but yeah, it's worth noting that a lot of the
things involving ed Lorraine Warren in real life do tend
(47:24):
to have a lot of people that were skeptical then
and are skeptical now about whether or not it was
just a cash grab. So, you know, one of the
main witnesses having meningitis, then three of the other witnesses
being children. You never know, you never know what could
have happened or something did happen to these folks, and
people just didn't believe them, and there was like no
way for them to prove it. So they eventually just said, like, whatever,
(47:45):
if we can make some money and get the fuck
out of here, that's what we're gonna do. But yeah,
who knows.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, it really sucks that a lot of these based
on a true story movies really toe the line of
what is true in them. But I don't know, I'm
still excited. We're still going to go see it. I
don't know. I want to see Stitch first. I think.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Not sponsored by Lee loan.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Stick, yeah, but Disney sponsors.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
No.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I am really excited. Love the cast. I hope you
guys enjoy this story and maybe when you guys go
watch the movie you can be like, that's different than
what you know. So yeah, fun.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Times, indeed, good story, rappin good reason. Thanks, thanks very much.
Enjoyed it and uh yeah, well we'll see what happens.
I don't know when you said, you said July September,
you said this comes out in.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
September, correct, us September, Yes.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Right on, So we got some time to plan and
see what we're going to go do when it comes out.
But either way, we'll probably give a review, a very
quick review on it, so it comes out. Yeah, so
it should be a fun time. I think it's everything
we have for this episode three hundred and twelve. If
you have a story you'd like to share with us,
it does not have to be about Edden, Lorraine Warren,
or haunting that you had, or if you're a demon
that really enjoys going to Disney. It could be anything
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that's supernatural, spiritual, coincidental, paranormal, extraterrestrial, or true crime and nature.
We love all that now, Oh my.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Gosh, reading true crime ones where it's like my family
member ran into this serial killer or shit's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
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Speaker 2 (50:00):
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Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, lots of my tears, but.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, that's just about everything we have. So thank you
so much for everyone who joined us and stayed till
the very end of the show as per usual. Uh yeah,
I think that's everything. So I guess I'll toss it
on over to Robin and she can sign us out.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Keep on creeping on and we'll talk to you guys later.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
How about you
Hey, they're spooky friends and welcome to another episode of
the Scarish Podcast. So I'm Robin graceis is Adam Diaz,
and we've come back refreshed.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I think tag team back again. Check it to reck it.
Let's begin. You didn't grow up in the nineties in
Chicago when the Bulls were winning constantly, So that song
is not drilled into your brain like it is drilled.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Into my You know what's drilled into my brain? Simple
and clean by I don't know what the fuck that
is that song that I just played for you.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Is that the one that goes party on part of people?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Let me hear as DC's in the house Jump Jump
for Joys. Anyway, we are not a podcast about songs,
music and the Bulls. We're a podcast that talks about
Scarish topics.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Whoop there it is indeed paranormal, true crime, extraterrestrial stuff
like that. Anything that could be considered scary ish we
try and cover and we.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Don't take ourselves too seriously either.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
We're not scientists. We like to say that we're not scientists,
but we do our best to try and do some
decent research. But yeah, one of the things I think
is really fun about this particular episode is that after
last episode, I think maybe a week after last episode,
there was a new trailer that released.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yep, I will get there. It's all on my topic.
Please don't ruin.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I don't get to talk about any of this stuff apparently,
so fuck me, my bad. No for serious though it was,
it was funny to see how locked in Robin and
I were and then yeah, I'll let her tell the
rest of it on her. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
We've been incredibly busy these past couple weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So I turned forty.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
He did turn forty, so I was in.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Arizona to do so because I had work off sites.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I wonder if people that are new to the podcast
know that we're like older, you know, we're not like
youngin's when.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
We started this podcast, I was thirty three, I was
maybe thirty two.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I wasn't even thirty yet. Yep, it's been a while.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It's been a minute. We started this in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
If you've been with us since then, you've stayed a
while and.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Listen, and you're also old now too. We got emails
our first year from folks who I was just like, okay, cool,
they're a little bit young, but like it's well written
and we'll read it. Those people are all in their twenties.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
People have been married and babies have been made in
the time we've been doing this podcast. And when we
say people, I mean like our spooky fan you know.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
People posted like Okay, I had a kid. Yeah for sure. Anyway,
we've been doing it for a while.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We've been we've been really busy. So thank you guys
for appreciation or not appreciating. We appreciate you for being
patient with us because we've been living.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
We basically do every other week at this point, and
I think that's a good cadence for our lives currently.
If we can get you an episode every week, we
absolutely will, But realistically every two weeks seems to be
a cadence that we're sort of falling into based off
of how busy we do get.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So yeah, yeah, and I mean we've had deaths happen.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know, it's two grandparents. End of the year. I'm
going back to Chicago for a memorial, so that'll be
super fun. Obviously the year, end of the month, end
of the month, end of May. So yeah, and then
I you know, work trips stuff like that stack up
life happens.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Life happens. It comes at you fast.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I hate you so much. Not go anywhere for a while.
Grab a scary ish, But yeah, I think overall that
we're always working towards the next episode. This episode is
definitely one of those ones that you've been working on
your script for like a week.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So it's it's like it's always fresh in our minds.
It's always it's always a coming, it's always on its way.
So you're making a face because you read too much smut, bro,
because that word means on the way.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Okay, well, let's get into topic. It's been ten minutes
of USA.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
It hasn't. The audio was waiting for you to step
in the office for twelve minut for you grace this
office with your presents.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Okay, So if you've known us for a while, you
know that one of our all time favorite horror movies
has to be The Conjuring.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay, what is your all time favorite? We haven't done
this in a minute.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It's probably The Conjuring.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You've watched it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I've watched it a ton, and I don't know what
yours is.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
You're lying Attack, No The Conjuring has to be top three,
my top because I've watched it so many times. And
I mean, if I had to make a list, maybe
I'll make a list. We'll post it on our website.
I don't know, because we watch a lot. I watch
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a lot of horror movies, and there are certain ones
that I'll watch over and over again, Like I'll watch Scream,
I know what you did last summer, things like that.
I don't like the Saw movies.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Sorry, I was like one franchise that you don't fall
asleep to.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, I'm just like I I watch Saw. I'll watch
the movies, but it's not one where if I see it,
I'll immediately put it on. Like if I don't know
what movie I want to put on, I'll put on
The Conjuring all the time. Yeah, but we do know
that a lot of the Ed and Lorraine Warren involvement
(05:28):
in that case of the parents haunting in the movie
was fiction. A lot of it is like skirting the
line of the truth.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Right there is absolutely liberty taken and yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Absolutely obvious, absolutely, but it doesn't make it any less
entertaining for me, Like I love how spooky it is,
how cheesy. It is, and some of the scenes are
legitimately scary for me. And like the the sheet that
falls and it's like covers the body of a person,
but there's no one actually there outside.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah. Yeah, it floats up to the window and all
of a sudden when she's very well shot scene, yes,
or when.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
She's standing under the tree and you just see the
legs hanging. Yeah her. Like certain scenes in that movie
are just so uh, it freaks me out. It's scary.
It's really good. And Patrick Wilson and Vera from for
Me is it for Mega Mia? I wish I knew
(06:26):
how to pronounce her name because I feel like a
fucking moron. But they're both absolutely gorgeous people. I think
they are absolutely perfect for those roles. Patrick Wilson is
good in like all the horror movies he's in, because
he's in quite a few of them. Yeah, he is insidious.
He's in.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Pretty horrible.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
He's in there that there's that Netflix movie where it
was like the corn or the wheat or whatever, and
you go once you go into the field of wheat,
like time passes differently, Like it's very weird. Yeah, he
ends up being like a bad guy in that movie.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I think spoiler alert.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I've only watched it.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Spoilers.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I've only watched it once, and it's old. If you
haven't seen it already, come on.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
But it's weird for me. This is how old I am.
It's weird for me. You say it's old, but it
came out on Netflix because I'm like, I remember when
Netflix was like you were getting DVDs in the mail.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I remember when you wanted to use Netflix on your PlayStation.
You had to have a separate disc to put into
your PlayStation and then you could stream whatever from that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I remember when Netflix started. I remember when PlayStation started.
I remember before the Internet.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Okay, PlayStation started to But yeah, so these two actors,
this actor's actress, these two actors, they just keep my
attention glued to the screen, and so I was so excited.
This is not an ad for this movie, Okay, this
(08:03):
is just how much I love this franchise and these
two But if you wanted to sponsor us, that'd be
absolutely incredible. But it's the final installment of the Conjuring
franchise and the final installment of us being able to
see these two actors as and Lorraine Warren and so yeah,
(08:27):
the Conjuring last rites the trailer came out and I'm
so jacked, Like I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It's a good trailer. When the third Conjuring trailer came out,
I was like I covered that already and I was
so proud of myselself.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
But then the movie came out and it was.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Just not anything like it.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, the entire time we were watching the third movie,
where like we've covered this topic, this is not at
all the vibe.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I mean, like the second movie has Frenchy in it,
and I was just like, I remember Frenchy. I covered
him a epio so twenty one, and I was just like,
oh wow, this is nothing like this dude's life that
the real story behind it is so much sadder and
horrifying than like the way they had to Like maybe
he's not on the second one, maybe he's in the prequel,
(09:15):
I don't remember, but yeah for this one, I was
just like, I don't know if we've covered that, Like
that was my immediate reaction, Like this does not sound familiar.
And I'm like, we've done three hundred and eleven episodes, yes,
most of them with dual topics. How could we not
have covered this, right.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
What's funny is that my next in my script, my
next little section begins with so I wasn't the biggest
fan of the Devil Made Me Do It?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
That one was way more of a love story. I think.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I think it was more of a love story between
Ed and Lorraine. And I don't know if that was
on purpose, because I think it was made towards the
end of Lorraine's life and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I also think that the Devil Made Me Do It
case does not have as much of a like haunting
to it. It's a lot more courtroom drama shit. Then
it was like a haunting like the first two conjurings, right,
because like, this thing happens, and the guy basically tried
to in a court of law use the defense of
the devil possessed me and forced me to do this,
(10:11):
which was like fucking crazy and unheard of. So this
one was more along the lines of like, He's like,
we didn't prevent the haunting from happening. We didn't prevent
the bad thing. We're just investigating what caused it type
of thing. Yeah, So the third one was a bit different.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, And I think part of it was you know,
you had researched it, so we were watching it with
these eyes of this wasn't what we know.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, it wasn't what I expected.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I yeah, and it wasn't again like you were saying,
it wasn't a genuine scary movie as we expect from
this series because of the movies before, and maybe it
just didn't live up to the hype that I have
for the Conjuring as a whole. But despite that disappointment,
(10:54):
I still have so much hope for this last installment.
Like I am in incredibly excited and saying goodbye to
a pair that really kind of became so real to me,
Like those two actors are Edd Lorraine warned for me?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It's sad, but all things must come to an end, right.
They can't play these characters forever. Technically they could, because
they're going to age and then they could be old
Edd Loraine Warren, like come on, you know, but guess sure.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I just it's funny to me because it is a
very profitable franchise, which is why they continue to release them.
So I'm curious what their plans are after this. Are
they going to reboot it or you know, I mean,
that's a topic for a different thing. But it's just
weird to me that they're going to say, like, Okay,
this is the last one we're going on on, let's
do it. I was not anticipating that maybe their contracts
are just stuff and they're like, we're overplaying these two characters,
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like we want to move on and do more with
our careers. They've I mean, they've obviously both had very
very good careers.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
It could be something where the family, the Warren family,
now that ed Loraine are gone, they're like, we would
like to move on from that and do something different.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I felt that this whole thing was certainly building towards
Amityville because they had involvement in Amityville. Yeah, and it
was fairly notorious, and I thought that's how it would
wrap up with them like getting involved in Amityville. Like
if it was a movie, if I was writing it, it
would like the final one would be Amityville. They get there,
the new family is fucked up, they prevent the murders
(12:25):
from happening, they get accused of faking everything after they
saved the day, and they decide like, let's hang up
the spurs, and that's the end of it. That's how
I would write it. Maybe that's what happens with the
Smirl case. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I mean, I thought that the Amityville horror case would
be somewhere in the movie franchise because in the first movie,
you know, Patrick Wilson or Ed, you know, the guy
who plays Ed, tells the family like, you know, we
had this case and it took a really big piece
out of her, and it was that Amneyville horror case,
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the one where she freaks the fuck out and locks
herself away.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I thought the case that he referenced was when she
was trying to exercise Frenchy, because the beginning, the beginning
of the first one is her trying to exercise Frenchie
and they mentioned that he died because he did die.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Maybe it was the second one. I've watched these movies
so many times that they're.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Got to watch all nineteen of them again.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
They're all, They're all, yeah, we gotta watch them all
again because they kind of blend together. Because that universe
is so intermixed, you know, with Anabelle and all those
it's very.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Hard to keep track of him too, because like the
conjuring was originally based off of a haunting and two
people that existed, and then he gets like the none too,
where it's like, none of this shit's based off of
anything except for maybe a location and a person like
Frenchie's in it again, Like they get kind of fucking wild,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I love them. I you know, the whole entire Conjuring universe. Annabelle,
the actual dolls on tour. Now, did you know that?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I did not. I think it is Zach Bagel's taking
her on tour to try and get change.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I don't think it's her, I think or him. I'm sorry.
I think the Warrens are just like your contract is
up at the Bagan's Museum, We're going to movie somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I thought contract might be the reason why the Conjuring
franchise hasn't veered into Amityville, because I have a feeling
that story.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Specifically is under a separate contract.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, it's probably so if the rights are probably owned
by someone else entirely, but who the fuck knows?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Man. Yeah, anyway, we've talked about the movies way too much.
Obviously we enjoy it, Obviously we think it's entertaining, and
obviously we want more, But the end of this series
is going to be told through the events that occurred
during the Smurle Family Haunting between nineteen seventy four and
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nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It's a long haunting.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So when we heard that this would be the dract
drag Bop so when we so when we heard that
this would be the backdrop to this movie, we immediately
knew that we had to cover it, and we were
I forget, we were probably at a work function of
(15:13):
yours when this trailer came out and I was just like, I,
this is gonna be my topic. I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It was even before like was it, yeah, because I
had a tab up on my thing. I had just
like done the episode because it was a me episode,
and I was like, oh, she's next, Okay, whatever she
picks doesn't matter. I'm gonna do this. And then I
asked you what your topic was going to be and
you told me that. I was like shit.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
So yeah, we obviously we got so excited we had
to do it because why not. So we're going to
set up ourselves or I guess prep ourselves for this
movie that is set to release September fifth, twenty twenty five. Again,
not an ad. We just are really excited.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
At least three spooky friends reached out to us and
they're like.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I can't Yes, I'm so jacked. I'm very excited. So
let's begin with Jack and Janet Smirle from West Pittston, Pennsylvania.
That's here.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
A lot of happens in Pennsylvan.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I think, you know, a lot of those areas have
a lot of those giant utility towers, those electrical towers,
and a lot of things that I have heard or whatever.
I don't even know that any of the houses, any
of these locations that are based under these big have
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a lot more things occur in them. So I don't
know if that's the case here, I'm not sure, but
it's here in the US. This isn't a typical haunting.
And they claimed their home was inhabited by a demon,
because why wouldn't it be. They moved in with their
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young daughters into this duplex home on Chase Street in
August of nineteen seventy three after flood damage forced them
out of their Wilkes Bar Home home. And it was
a duplex, so Jack's parents lived on the right half
of the house, and they lived on the left.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Half of the house was a side by side.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Side by side. Yeah, yeah, side by side.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I lived in a side by side.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I think I sent you a picture of it.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
It's not split down the middle, so it just looked
like a house to me.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. If you look at the picture,
there's two doors, so yeah, split side by side. And
I would like to also point out that they spent
eighteen thousand dollars off this house. Eighteen thousand dollars. It's
crazy to think that fifty two years ago you could
buy this house, I know, eighteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah. True demon is greed, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
The true demon is this generation making fun of us
for having our birth years start with a nineteen.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I don't know how you turn this into people being
mean to us about being old, being mean to me
all you want about being old, if I could afford.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
A fucking out, but it cuts deep, dude, having people
kids be like oof, you know, cuts deep. Anyway, real
estate prices absolutely freaking insane. I have been talking about
it for like the past three days. I feel like anyway,
when they moved in, they started claiming that there was
something wrong with their house that they're that there just
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had to be a demon. What's horrible about the fact
that it was so cheap is that even if you
do the inflation calculation of how much the dollar is worth,
I'm sure that house it's.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Still like two hundred and two thousand, but it'd probably
be listed right now for a million million. Yeah, yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Sad. Anyway, this was a fixer upper home. Okay, it
wasn't just like one of these was a bit of
a fixer upper. It wasn't like these brand new build homes.
It was a fixer upper. They had to put elbow
grease into the repairs, and that's the during the renovations
and things like that, that's when weird stuff started to happen. Supposedly,
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so too would go missing, and then they would reappear.
Old wall stains would appear through fresh coats of paint.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That's a fun symptom of a haunting.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
But the idea that they had two very young daughters
could explain the tools, because kids do that. The stains
to the paint, though, that I think requires a more
experienced professional to explain, because I don't know if that
can happen normally. I know, for you know, our garden
(19:32):
walls and things like that, there's I want to say effervescence.
I don't think it's effervescence. Efflorescence. Efflorescence is when you
know that that white stuff starts culling up the walls,
like I know that can happen. But can stains kind
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of come through paint.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Stains can through paint. There's specific paint. I mean, I
had to repaint the officer house, but there is paint
that can cover it, especially if you do like a
primer first. Here's one thing I will say. This is
a little bit, a little bit of a tangent. But
I don't know if you remember the Fox show from
the nineties dating myself here called Factor Fiction and they
would tell you like mostly ghost stories. It was the
(20:17):
guy who played Riker I think was his name on
Star Trek the Next Generation. I don't know his name
because I didn't watch Star Trek, but they would give
you three stories.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Them would be true, one of them would be fake,
or two of them will be fake and one of
them will be true. I remember watching it with my
family and there was one episode about like a detective
interrogating a suspect and he beats the shit out of him,
and like on his way out, he like coughs up
blood on his hand and he holds his hand against
the wall to keep from falling down in the interrogation
room and leaves a bloody handprint. And then that guy
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dies later and the cop doesn't get in trouble, and
then every time that cop goes into the room, the
bloody handprint is back, and like they keep painting over
and it keeps bleeding through, and finally they like fucking
just take the drywall out, and uh they do something.
I think it might actually might be brick, but they
do something where it's like completely scraped clean so that
(21:13):
the handprint won't be there anymore. Yeah, And he goes
in there alone one night and he's like writing and
it appears and he sees the guy's ghost and it
strangles chills, literal chills, And I'm just like, oh, fuck,
this one's definitely fake. And that one was based on
true story, and my whole family freak were like no
fucking way. And uh so when I was like trying
to paint over stuff, I like at the old house
(21:34):
before we moved out. YEA, yeah, I was like, fuck,
this reminds me so much of that stupid Factor fiction show.
So this like like stain bleeding through thing, Like there's
a precedent in my history of hearing creepy ghost stories.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Okay, so today you are the I want to believe
and uh, I mean I'm not the skeptic in this situation.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I never the skeptic, but unless it's a claim I'm
making outside of the show, So okay.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
So they would have on top of that, they would
have the typical cold zones where the temperature would drop
really suddenly. Even kitchen appliances were supposed to have caught
fire despite being unplugged, and the family experienced loud, unexplained noises,
foul smells, their mattress would get shaken, and even more
(22:20):
violent acts than that. So despite the reports of these
things going on, Jack was able to go through life.
You know, he got promoted as a job. He was
able to be his daughter's softball team coach. Janet got
pregnant while they were there, and she was you know,
top notch mom duties. She still had time to organize
(22:41):
an anti drunk driving group at the local high school,
they were, you know, a nice family, seemingly nice family,
and then life started, you know, not being so nice.
Mary Jack's mother had a heart attack, and then it
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started getting harder and harder for them to make ends meet.
Not because his mom had a heart attack. Those aren't connected,
I'm sure, but you know, things happen. Life is hard.
Weird stuff started increasing, and Janet thought she started hearing
Mary call her name, and Mary thought she was hearing
Jack and Janet having horrible, verbally abusive fights, like they
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thought that they would hear things that weren't actually happening. Wow,
it seems like it could happen though, right like that,
when you have a building like that where you're living
left and right sharing a wall, you know, and you
hear yelling or whatever, it seems like it could happen.
(23:46):
In a situation where a family is starting to struggle,
there's going to be fights, there's going to be things that,
you know what I mean, And I don't know. I'm
sure when Janet was hearing Mary call her name, she'd
go over there and be like, hey, I heard you
call him the name. What's up? And she's like, I
didn't say anything, which would be kind of creepy. But
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I've definitely been the couple. We've been the couple who've
had fights before.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I don't think we've ever thought never once, you're a liar.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Fun fact about scary Ish, it almost didn't exist because
I think the second or third episode we had a fight.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
We had a fight about life five.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Minutes into the episode and just sat silent, yeah, across
from each other, staring at for like thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
But that's because we used to record at like two
in the morning, and we're like super exhausted and super
you know, you get annoyed. But anyway, yeah, so, so
these things were just stacking on top of each other.
At one point, their dog had somehow been thrown into
a wall. One of their daughters was pushed down a
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flight of stairs.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
That's also horrible.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
The family experienced physical and sexual abuse by the scene
an unseen entity for years.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
This is starting to throw red flags from me.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
So Jack claimed that one night he was lying next
to Janet. He turned to look at her when he
heard someone that sounded like a young woman was whispering.
When he turned to look at her, he saw what
was like he described as a shadowy figure going up
her leg.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
What the heck?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So you know that's creepy. Supposedly, neighbors would hear screams
coming from the house while the family was.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Out, while they were out, while they were outy.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yes, some sources say that the neighbors were actually sympathetic
to what they were going through because they would hear
all these weird things happening while they were gone. Then
nineteen eighty six happens comes the arrival of our protagonists
and Lorraine warned of they had actually helped the mother
(26:01):
of a local professor and were recommended to the Smurls
in this in this instance, and they came in. They
asked the Smurls a bunch of things, like asking about
their religion, like their religious beliefs, their family life, Like
they would ask stuff like, you know, do you believe
in like Satanist things like do you do rituals? What
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have you done? They want to rule out, you know,
opening up of some sort of portal or something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Nothing really pointed to the family having opened up some
sort of connection to the other side themselves.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
They're like, we do all of our blood orgy stuff
on an altar outside of town, so how should be pretty?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
According to Ed, the self proclaimed demonologist, the entity that
inhabited their home was incredibly powerful, and Lorraine felt that
there were four different entities that lived within the home.
So she thought that there was an elderly woman that
I was harmless, a young and possibly violent young girl.
I mean I said young twice, a man who had
(27:07):
suffered and died within the home, and a demon that
used the other three spirits to torture the family.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So it's a lot on your plate, you know. If
what Lorraine was saying was true, that's a lot. That's
a lot to deal with in one home. I mean,
I think there's only the two of us in our home,
and I feel like it's too much some.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Time, I'm like smiling and nodding. I know it doesn't
come across and podcasts very well.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
But during Ed's investigation, he was alleged to have recorded
the sounds of knocking and rapping that had been done
by demons. I'm sure they were like, oh good, look
a slim shit. I don't know if he know he
was too young, huh in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, I think he was probably born in the eighties. Okay,
I feel like he's.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Slightly green mile or a green mile. Eight mile is
like kids eight Miles, like early.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Two thousands, right, I was in high school and it
came out, So I'm pretty sure two thousand and two
or two thousand and three, I was eight mile came out.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
What about Green Mile? When did Green Mile come.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Out earlier than that? I'm pretty sure it's.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Gotta be nineties. Oh my gosh. Those are very different movies. Guys,
Please don't search for one thinking you're gonna watch the other.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Uh, don't watch. Okay, if you watch Green Mile when
you're trying to watch eight Mile, you'll be annoyed. But
if you try and watch Green Mile you watch eight
Mile on an accident, you will be shocked. I think
that's the best way to put it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
They're so different, but they're both good movies.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I've never seen eight mile. I think I know, mom,
spaghetti and all that shit.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I think you would enjoy it, to be honest, probably would. Yeah,
I think you'd enjoy it. Okay, it's funny because today,
I well, not just today, this week, we're like introducing
the younger generation of kids to movies we watched growing up.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I mean, your younger coworkers.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, well yeah, but they're gen z.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Okay, you said the younger generation of kids. To me,
that actually means children like you're going in volunteering to show.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Kids Like I know, my coworkers are like ten years
younger than me, maybe more than that, but we introduce
them to Final Destination. Okay, So you know anyway.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Final Destination too has that opening scene that is fairly iconic.
But if you rewatch, I should say rewatch, if you
watch the behind the scenes, it does show you immediately
that when they tested the laws.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yes, yes, logs don't bounce, yeah, but they can still
shoot backwards into your window.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
They can slip all over the place for sure. If
they don't touch the ground, then yeah, that means you're
also following a log truck too close.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
But any who, anyway, can't wait for that movie to
come out either.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
It's out and people love it and I've already shown
you their reviews.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Oh, we should watch.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
It made twice its money in three days.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
We should go watch.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It made twice its budget in three days.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Okay, So recordings of Knocking Wrapping by Demons mixtape got mixtape, yep.
But when it comes to audio and not video. I'm
more inclined to believe that it could be anything that
makes the noise. Really, I don't like the idea of
only having audio recordings, right, I like.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Video recordings in the eighties though, were shit, you know,
like you shoulder mounted fucking cannon. Yeah for a VH,
like you loaded a full VHS tape, which you know,
kids nowadays don't know what those fucking look like. Oh lord,
but yeah, it's you know, it was not great quality,
so it would be hard to catch something. I think
audio quality, although there's definitely been like leaps and bounds
(30:35):
and blah blah blah, you could probably get a more
reliable sound that would mimic what you heard versus, you know,
a video camera that will not really represent what you're
seeing because the fidelity was such dogshit back in the day.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah. It just watching home videos of me as a kid,
I'm like, what in the the lurry is this.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I haven't watched a home video of myself my parents
three decades.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
My parents have a VHS of me as a baby,
and I'm just freaking going ham on picking my nose, dude,
you'd love it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, I mean, not much has changed.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Bro anyway. Supposedly when they try to persuade the demon
to leave by playing religious music and prayer, it would
rattle the furniture and mirrors, which you know trains could do.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
That doesn't seem like if it's on cue, that that
would be something that you could really replicate. Yeah, if
you were like testing it with various different religious songs.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But if you're playing it throughout the day, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, if you're just playing it straight through and every
now and then it rattles. Yes, a lot of the
things you've described im and like, I've experienced these things too.
But in an apartment in a fucking duplex right next
to train tracks or my entire apartment, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I should look and see if there's any trains around
or something like this to this property, cat.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
And see call people liars forty years after.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Well, they didn't have to wait forty years for people
to say that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
So.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
According to Ed, he even witnessed a quote unquote dark
mass form within the home and felt the temperature drop
when that happened. He even said that the demon left
him a message on a mirror once telling them.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
To get out. Did it actually say get out or
did it say something else along the lines of like go.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh quote unquote get out.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Okay, cool, yeah right, demon speaks English. That's nice of it.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know what, though, maybe it's like the Tartest. Once
you're in the zone, you can just.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
No, no, the tartist does the translating. Unless the demon
has a tartist. Your theory is he is the tartest. No,
that makes no sense. Doctor, who isn't the tartist?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, but he's also not a demon.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
This makes zero sense. So you're saying the tartest equals demon.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, but I mean it's an entity in the outside
of the normal limits of time in space.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Is so hard to try and believe, okay.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Anyway, anyway, of course, with many of these investigations by
Ed Lorraine Warren, they were said to be biased. These
two were said to just be in it for the money,
you know, making up stories things like.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
That, up the story, cash in on it.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Their investigations just weren't objective when it came to looking
into these claims, despite you know, in the movie, I
think at one point they're like, this was just pipes,
you know, this is just this that oh yeah, yeah, okay,
considering they made their money off of ghosts and demons
and hauntings and things like that. I am not shocked
(33:38):
by this. I am not shocked that people were like,
this doesn't seem right or this isn't real or whatever.
But they turned this case into a spectacle. It's just
what they did. And people would camp in front of
their house, the family's house. Wid Yeah, so people would
camp in front of their house. The family would have
(34:00):
borders and cameras on them all the time. Cars would
drive past just to see if they could see something.
It was just it became a media circus, you know.
And uh. The home was blessed by several priests, supposedly
on a number of different occasions, and they each reported
that there was quote no harmful activity on the property
(34:24):
end quote. So you know, priests came in, priests went.
None of them were like, this is weird. It feels
bad in here, because sometimes when you enter a place,
you can feel it.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
That there's something like this place says bad vibes.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I'm trying to think of where we went to recently
where we're like, this is weird. I don't know, I
feel like we visited somewhere that was Arizona. We went
somewhere where it was like we went on a tour
and one of the rooms and the tour was really weird.
I don't remember, but Janet Smrle claimed that she had
(35:05):
a priest who remained unidentified by her word, had performed
three unsuccessful exorcisms. She claimed that the demon avoided the
exorcisms by moving between the double block home, so it
would go to the other side and it would fall
(35:26):
demon handbook, and it would follow the family to the
other locations. To other locations that they went to, demon
wouldn't be bound, so it would follow them on vacations.
It would even follow Jack to his workplace, and weird
things would happen wherever.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
You like to think the demon would take it easy
if they went to like a really nice place, like
all right, you guys, picked I loved Disney.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Disney has ghosts too. We've already talked about this.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
That's what I'm saying. He would have had a blast.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
A local priest from their diocese spent two nights in
the home in nineteen eighty six and noted that nothing
unusual happened, So he stayed there for a couple of days,
noticed nothing weird happened. And left, and I totally understand that, Like,
how long do you really want the priests to stay
(36:14):
at your house? You know. Paul Kurtz, a professor at
the State University of New York at Buffalo, was the
chairman of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims
of the Paranormal at the time. That's a fucking mouthful. Yeah.
He claimed that what the family was experiencing wasn't an
(36:35):
actual demon but a delusion, an hallucination pretty much, and
he recommended that they submit themselves to psychiatric and psychological evaluation.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I mean it realistically, like, let's say it was a
group delusion thing, they would sincerely believe what was happening.
And if it was a group delusion powerful enough to
produce a hallucination for all intents and purposes, it would
be real to them.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
You also have to think about the fact that they
had two young children, two very impressionable young children, and
they grew up with that going on for years, So
what else do they know, you know? And then they
had a baby while they're there, so that child knows
even less of any other way of living. It's just
(37:23):
an interesting situation. But to be fair with his claim,
of them needing an evaluation. Jack Smurle did have surgery
in nineteen eighty three to have water removed from his
brain because he was experiencing short term memory loss as
(37:44):
a result of meningitis when he was younger. And we
all know, maybe we don't all know, meningitis fucks you up.
If you leave meningitis un checked, you can lose your hearing.
You know, it melts your brain. It meningitis is awful.
(38:06):
You can hear stories of people getting menag it. I
just watched a video where a girl got meningitis while
she was in college and she didn't even know she
had it, and it was absolutely debilitating for her. And
it's horrible, horrible stories of people with meningitis. It's horrible.
You guys should should I don't know, maybe it'll traumatize you,
(38:28):
but on our show there, yeah, it's pretty awful. So
you know, that could explain why weird things were happening
or he was seeing weird things. You know, anytime you
mess with your brain or your brain chemistry or anything,
weird stuff goes on. Your brain does crazy stuff, Like
(38:49):
I think there was one thing I heard, like if
you stare in a mirror long enough, you will see
something because your brain like makes you see weird shit, isn't.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
It the mirror tunnel where it has to be a mirror.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Behind it, and then you eventually will see something at
the end right. I don't know if that's real, but I.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It sounds very much like a wise taiale for sure.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Maybe I'm not gonna do it though, you know, I
don't need to see something in there.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
What if when you do that, it like connects you
to the other universes that are out there, like every
parallel universe that exists, for every alternate decision that every
person that's ever existed is made, and that there's like
one evil version of you when the tunnel is connected,
where you see like all the endless rows of yourself,
like they're just crawling closer that, bro, and then you
(39:40):
stop looking at it, and then they're stuck in that dimension,
and then they fuck with whoever's in that dimension.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Imagine seeing something at the end right of this the
top mirror tunnel, and then it starts running at you
really really fucking fast, and it's in your face before
you look away, bro, bro, but you can't you, I mean,
it's on both sides of you.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
That's how you okay, it's on both sides because you're
looking at.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
It, well you say, look away. I just think about
Liz playing that VR exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
She protected because she refused to look at what.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
VR continuing on. So it wasn't just Kurtz that thought
that there was something else at play here with this situation.
There were a number of people who thought there may
be other, less demonic explanations for what the Smirls had
been experiencing. Considering a number of priests reported nothing out
of the ordinary, I lean more towards there having been
(40:34):
something else at play here. The believer in me wants
to really think that something menacing, menacing like a demon existed.
But you have to really think about the mental state
these people were in things that they were going through.
I mean, if there were a demon though, or or
evil spirits or something, the stress the family was going
(40:58):
through would just amp the situation up more. You know.
They thrive on that sort of energy. In collaboration with
Ed and Lorraine Warren and a scrant newspaper writer named
Robert kuran The or Kurran, the Spurls ended up writing
and publishing a book about their story in nineteen eighty
six titled The.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Haunted I'll pay us money please.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yep. This is after their complaints that they were tired
of the media attention. So they complained that they were
sick of the media attention and then release a fucking book.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Maybe they're like, maybe if we write this, people will
leave us alone.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I don't know. After its release, it came under scrutiny
for its one sided account of the events because it's
only it's their side. It was said to be poorly
written and had no actual facts that could be backed
by any physical evidence or witnesses outside of the smurls
to support their statements.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
It's their story.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
It's fiction. That's what people are saying.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
It's their story, regardless of if you want to call
it fiction. Like they published a book and said, this
is our story of what's happened to us. That's right,
but you can't prove it. It's like, okay, cool, what
the fuck do you want from them to prove it?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Right?
Speaker 2 (42:10):
They wouldn't be putting it in a book if it
wasn't just them telling you their story. And even if
it all is all made up, it's still just their story.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
So the same year it was released, Joseph Adenisio, a
reverend of the Immaculate Conception Paris Paris Patty Parish in
West pitps.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
That I didn't do the all.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
H Parish in West Pittson stated that this Merles felt
that after having done some intense prayer, things were back
to normal.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
That's all it took.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Huh uh huh, a book and some prayer. Then the
next year, Janets Merle was back again, telling reporters that
they still heard knocking and saw shadows.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Did she go out to find her or were they
bothering her at her home?
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I I'm not sure, totally different cons it is very
different context, but I couldn't tell you I wasn't there. Unfortunately,
they had a two hour made for TV movie that
was released by twentieth Century Fox in nineteen ninety one
called The Haunted Like their book, and it was written
by the same people that wrote the book. And the
(43:25):
Smurls moved out of their home and then a woman
named Deborah Owens moves into it in nineteen eighty eight.
She reports that she never encountered anything supernatural while living there.
Everything was fine, and Danna.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Were playing Devil's advocate. If it's a fucking demon, it
could have just followed them when they left.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
So right, yeah, what about the other ghosts that were there?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I mean, it takes them with part of its toolkits
torture this family or it's bullshit.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Obviously, So I want to believe that something happened for
them just because it was such a media spectacle, I
really do, especially with the hype of the new movie
coming out. You know you want it to be based
on a true story and have the true story be true.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Well, I mean you would hope that anything that you
see that's in a movie that's based on a true
story is as true to the story as possible.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Right, you don't want you don't want a Pearl Harbor situation.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I've never seen that movie. Of seeing that.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Movie, but Josh HARTND.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Don't even care if Ben Affleck in it is Okay,
maybe not, I'll say its watch Underwe.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
She plays a hot nurse.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
She's played okay, whatever Kate beckhamsale plays, it's the hot version, come.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
On, Okay. Anyway, Like I said in the beginning of
the episode, I'm more in love with the cast and
the story that they're portraying that.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
This is really your I want to believe topic.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
I want to believe, yeah, but I don't know if
I can because so much of it can be explained away,
or I'm skeptical because there was so much monetary gain
when it came to this, like that house that the
Bagan's guy bought, where he was like, I'm blind. Anyway,
(45:25):
I'm more in love with the cast and the story
that they can bring to life. And it could be
made up of completely different people and events, like it
doesn't have to be based on a true story, and
I would still enjoy it, maybe enjoy it more because
I'm not looking at it and picking holes in this
(45:46):
isn't real or this isn't real or whatever. You know,
I just enjoy a really good horror movie, and I
really hope that they make a really good horror movie.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
This is the ingredients for it, for sure. It is
as far as the story goes, you know, a fairly
straightforward kind of Ed and Lorraine Warren haunting. They show up,
they make the claims that the demons and ghosts through there.
Somehow a book is spun out of it, and a movie,
a made for TV movie, albeit but still a movie
is spun out of it, and then the family moves
on with some extra cash in their pocket. That said,
(46:18):
if I'm speculating, and I'd love to hear your speculation
too as to what the Conjuring Four will be about
when it comes to this story that we've just heard,
I would imagine they'll somehow tie this demon back to Eden,
Lorraine or ed Lorraine's family and make it about like
you got to connect your story, you know, if, especially
if you're doing trilogy, is the third one always links
(46:39):
up super hard to the first one, which they kind
of didn't do so much in The Devil made me
do it because they already told the story of the
Valick Demon and like how the history of like the
Nun and blah blah blah blah blah. So it'll be
kind of hard to do that considering that they gave
like the Valiic Demon like the ending to the arc
and then told the backstory. And unless somehow the Valic Demon,
(47:01):
which is apparently only attached to Lorraine Warren in the
movies in her bloodline, is still just randomly popping up
around the world, tormenting people right to lure her in.
So we'll see what happens with it. I do hope
they at least make a good movie out of it. Yeah,
but yeah, it's worth noting that a lot of the
things involving ed Lorraine Warren in real life do tend
(47:24):
to have a lot of people that were skeptical then
and are skeptical now about whether or not it was
just a cash grab. So, you know, one of the
main witnesses having meningitis, then three of the other witnesses
being children. You never know, you never know what could
have happened or something did happen to these folks, and
people just didn't believe them, and there was like no
way for them to prove it. So they eventually just said, like, whatever,
(47:45):
if we can make some money and get the fuck
out of here, that's what we're gonna do. But yeah,
who knows.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, it really sucks that a lot of these based
on a true story movies really toe the line of
what is true in them. But I don't know, I'm
still excited. We're still going to go see it. I
don't know. I want to see Stitch first. I think.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Not sponsored by Lee loan.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Stick, yeah, but Disney sponsors.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
No.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I am really excited. Love the cast. I hope you
guys enjoy this story and maybe when you guys go
watch the movie you can be like, that's different than
what you know. So yeah, fun.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Times, indeed, good story, rappin good reason. Thanks, thanks very much.
Enjoyed it and uh yeah, well we'll see what happens.
I don't know when you said, you said July September,
you said this comes out in.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
September, correct, us September, Yes.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Right on, So we got some time to plan and
see what we're going to go do when it comes out.
But either way, we'll probably give a review, a very
quick review on it, so it comes out. Yeah, so
it should be a fun time. I think it's everything
we have for this episode three hundred and twelve. If
you have a story you'd like to share with us,
it does not have to be about Edden, Lorraine Warren,
or haunting that you had, or if you're a demon
that really enjoys going to Disney. It could be anything
(49:00):
that's supernatural, spiritual, coincidental, paranormal, extraterrestrial, or true crime and nature.
We love all that now, Oh my.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Gosh, reading true crime ones where it's like my family
member ran into this serial killer or shit's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Super fascinating. It doesn't have to be your story. Just
make sure you get the permission from whoever's story it is, like,
if it's a friend or a family member, send it
in and tell us. You can share this on the show,
and you can email storytime at scarish dot com or
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(49:34):
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Twitter is at scarish pod, and Instagram is at scarish
podcast Robin. For folks who would like to donate to
us with the monies, how can.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
They do so, you can go to Patreon dot com
slash Scaryish Podcast. I did just mail out this big batch,
big batch of back rewards. So it was a lot,
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Things in what we should be arriving arriving, Yeah, lots
of stuff and those good ship.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Too, So I really appreciate everyone who stuck around with us.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
So yeah, so Patreon dot com slash Scarash Podcast. Lots
of tears sign on up.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, lots of my tears, but.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, that's just about everything we have. So thank you
so much for everyone who joined us and stayed till
the very end of the show as per usual. Uh yeah,
I think that's everything. So I guess I'll toss it
on over to Robin and she can sign us out.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Keep on creeping on and we'll talk to you guys later.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
How about you
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