August 13, 2025 • 48 mins
Robin and Adam proudly present Episode 316 of Scary(ish)! In this episode, Robin covers a harrowing tale of abduction and survival and follows up with small, spooky update from the Shiloh Chronicles. Listen, Share, Subscribe, and Review!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey, there's speaking friends, and welcome to another episode of
the Scarish Podcast. I'm Robin Grace. This is Adam Diaz
and uh we do podcasts about scary ish than just
this one.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, we cover paranormal and true crime stuff, and sometimes
it's scary, and sometimes it's not super scary, and sometimes
it's super super scary.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Sometimes it's a paranormal ghosty things. Sometimes it's natural disasters.
Sometimes we got well a lot of the time lately it's.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
True crime true I think we've done a lot of
supernatural stuff lately, actually severing back into the true crime territory.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Well, today today's true crime Day.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Right, So yeah, it'll be a fun time. I doubt
this is your first episode, but if it is, welcome.
I'm Adam. That's Robin. Like she already mentioned, I just
want to make sure we're covering that. It's been about
two more it's been an extra week.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I think it's been an extra week. We well, Adam
found out some stuff last week that I'm kind of
excited for my operation.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yes, you're all right, so I'll make this super quick
because I know everyone's just like, we don't care about
your personal lives. Just give us, the spooks and the goods.
But yeah, I have a deviated septum in my nose.
I've had it for a long time. I used to
box a lot in high school. People are like, how'd
your box? Did you have school boxing?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Me and my brother used to go into the basement
with boxing goes and beat the shit out of each
other for like four years. Who doesn't, right, who doesn't?
So I've broken my nose quite a few times. The
first time I broke my nose, I was thinking about
this since the appointment was in fifth grade, just like
playing Mortal Kombat shit in a basement and like going
face first into concrete my goodness. And yeah, I've done
it quite a few times since then. But yeah I don't.
(01:54):
I can't breathe on one of my nostrils like at all.
So like trying to do cardio back in the day
when I was still fit was hell mouth breather. It's
the worst thing ever. And so the prospect of breathing
through my nose is something that I thought was just
too big of a dream to dare to dream. Tried
to do it back right right before COVID hit and
got my surgery scheduled, and then COVID shut everything down
(02:15):
and just never really had the ambition to get it
going again. Decided to go see an e and t
at Robin's insistence to say like, hey, can she check
out your nose and fix it? And I was just
like I don't know. So I went in. She stuck
a fucking camera up my nose and like, yeah, your
nose is like severely deviated. It's almost like completely deviated
to the right. I can schedule for surgery in like
two weeks. I was like what, because like in twenty nineteen,
(02:38):
I saw a guy and I'm like a heavy dude,
and when I saw him, he was just like didn't
look in my nose at all. He was just like
it's because you're fat. Yeah, you need to lose weight.
And he recommended me to a dietitian and it told him,
like I'm not going to go to a dietician, Like
thanks for that, Like I have like ways that I
can lose weight that I know of, And so he
scheduled me for a follow up after I got a
CT scan and my nose is like so fucking broken.
(03:00):
Was like oh wow, And then he started to take
me seriously. So it was nice going to a doctor
who wasn't just like, oh, you're having something happening. It's
probably because you're fat, fatty fatty fatty boomblatty can't get
through the kitchen door. Like that is how I feel
like I'm treated so frequently with doctors who are just
fucking like lazy dickheads.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
See yeah, AnyWho, anyway, what a quick story.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Next week it's quick for me. Uh yeah, I'm getting
my nose operated on, so I'm gonna be out of
commission for like a week. I'm actually taking time off
of work, which I don't normally do.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Next weeks or something.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
No, it's a week of recovery time, she said, two weeks.
But after a week, I I'll feel much better.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to like a fucking stick jammed
in my nose and shit, and I have to get
it taken out in a week, and uh well, we'll
see how that goes. But because of that, the episode
might be a little bit later than normal. We'll see.
I kind of want to try and get one recorded
right before my surgery, but we'll be driving back from
Las Vegas on that Monday, so we'll see if I
have the time to like get home, do a script, record, edit, post,
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then wake up super early for surgery. But yeah, we'll
see how that goes. So Robin's super excited, though she
thinks I'm gonna come out of there looking.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Like, No, I'm just excited for no snoring.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, that's the thing. And I told her this. The
antia is like, not only can this not guarantee that
you won't snore, it could feasibly make your snoring worse
with more air going through your nose if the problems
with the back of your throat. Robin's just convinced this
is going to be the solution to my snoring. So
I don't think that'll be the case, but we'll see. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
All right, So before we get into the actual topic,
big shout outs to Fay, Shandon Dulce, and Carl Olav.
You guys are amazing for being such big supporters of us.
We're super super thankful. Thank you for everybody else who
supports us, even if you're literally free tier. As long
as you're following us and you're sharing us with your
(04:49):
friends or whatever, we are incredibly thankful.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, it means the world to us. Thank you so
much to everyone, not just our shout out to your folks,
but especially our shout out to your folks. All the
support that we get all the time is fantast and yeah,
keeps us going. Like Robin said, so I believe this
is going to be a Robin episode, So I will
turn over to you. What do you have in store
for us? Robin?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
All right? So, like I was saying, it's true crime,
and this week maybe something that some of you may
want to skip or avoid, or if you find kidnapping
things a little bit triggering, maybe it's not your episode. Obviously,
it's going to be in the title, so you kind
of know what's coming in this episode. But I wanted
to do a series that kind of focuses on stories
(05:30):
of survivors instead of how a lot of the true
crime stuff we do is like murder, and there's no
surviving that pretty much.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
If you've been murdering, if you've been murdered.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, So I wanted to do like a series on
survivors and escape things like that, and stories of those
that had to endure things like years of captivity. And
I just think it's really fascinating because I don't know
if I could personally survive that I'd just be like
let it end. You know, I don't know, I'm weak.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's so hard because there's there's certain things about day
to day lifere I'm like, please God, let it in.
But the idea of being in captivity and someone like
forcing me to be somewhere that I don't want to be.
I don't know if I would be the kind of
person that's strong enough to like survive for that long
or if I just like go crazy trying to escape.
So I'm interested, but also like morbidly curious to hear
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your topic.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, I think when it comes to survivors, they're smart,
they're strong, and it's just something that that me mentally.
I mean, I want to cry when the littlest thing
goes wrong in my life, you know, So I don't
think i'd be able to handle it. But I was
trying to do a compilation at first, like a whole
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slew of them in an episode. But then as I'm
looking at these different cases, they all are so in
depth and crazy the things they go through, and it
kind of took a life of took on a life
of its own. So hopefully you enjoy these topics and
don't mind if I do like a you know, kidnapping one,
(07:09):
two three type thing, like multiple episodes in a series.
I probably won't do them all in a row because
you know, there's so many so there's only so much
of it you can take.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
But I was going to say, I should have saved
it for September so we could call it Survival September.
But that's okay. I'll think of something by the end
of the episode for August.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, I don't think I'll do them all in all,
you know what I mean, Because to me, these types
of stories are a lot because these people have to
go through so much. I like to throw in paranormal
things or stuff to change it up. You know. I
think a lot of stuff has weird, has been going on.
(07:47):
I just saw an article that some telescope found like
what looks like an alien spaceship or something in space.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I feel like there's an article like that like every
week nowadays. Yeah, so it's hard to even cipher or
just decipher like the bullshit from stuff that might be credible.
And uh, yeah, there's there's just so many bizarre headlines.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, but those are fun. Even though you know, I
think we did a topic on the Monolith, and even
though it came out to be like just some people
putting up an art thing, it's cool. It's fun.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
It's enjoying fun, yeah, for sure. Like that's why they
make TV shows about them, ranging for Scooby Doo like
the most you know, wacky happy mystery solvers, to like Supernatural,
where like by the third season they just abandoned trying
to save people and are just murdering every possessed person
that they find.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Jensen knuckles, though Jensen Ackles in the new show Countdown
Chef's Kiss Hot anyway, it just.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Sounded like a regular kiss. Let's be honest, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So the first kidnapping that I wanted to cover it
is going to be this entire episode, so hopefully you
guys don't mind. But it's that of Colleen stan and
her case was dubbed the Girl in the Box. So
I don't know name of.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
The episode the Girl in the Box.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I thought it would just be kidnapping, but it could
be called the Girl in the Box actually, or be
like a kidnapping survivor's dash with the.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Girl in the Box up to you to your episode.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
All right, so we're about to find out why, right.
It's just an interesting name for a case. So on
May nineteenth, nineteen seventy seven, Colleen stan who was twenty
years old at the time, was hitchhiking from her home
in Eugene, Oregon, to her friend's home in Westwood, California,
where she was supposed to go attend a birthday party.
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I don't know about you, but this time nineteen seventy seven,
completely different time than we are in now.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I have a professor from college who said that he
hitchhiked from like Seattle to Washington, DC. What. Yeah, And
it was just like it was a different time back then.
I remember hearing him say that, thinking to myself, it
really was, though there was serial killers everywhere. You just
got lucky. You didn't know what was waiting for you
around the corner.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Well, people don't just pick up hitch hikers anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, it's just the serial.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I have only hitchhiked once when I was a senior
in high school, and I would never do it again.
So the woman that we went, you know, got into
the car of she was an absolute sweetheart. She had
like a baby in the back seat, shout out to
my friend on because we we So we walked from
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school to my house and we it's Texas son, Okay,
Texas heat. We walked from school to my house. I
thought it was going to be real quick.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
How far was that?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I don't even remember how far it was. It was
so flip flap and far. We had to get back
to school. It was going to take too long. So
we got to a gas station and we kept asking
everybody gas station, can you please drop us off at school?
Can you please please drop us off at school? And
(11:05):
this one was such a sweetheart. She took us to
school and not worth it. It was not worth it. I
would never hitch hike ever again.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
You say not worth it as if something bad happened.
She was just a sweetheart who gave you a ride.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But it's just like the fear that it could have
been anybody, you know, like she could have just taken
us and murdered us.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
What's crazy is that she she took you while she
had her.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Baby in the Yeah, we could have been the murderers.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, I was way more worried for her in this story.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And I know you, yeah, but if you saw me
an on back then, we were nerdy kids. There's no way. Yeah,
walking walking through, walking home and then trying to get
back to school was not worth it. I would not.
I learned ditch days for me, we're not worth it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, when you ditch, you stayed ditched. You don't go
back to school. You just did the dish day wrong.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
If you go, if you don't go back to school.
If I didn't go back to school, then my cousins
would have been like, so where were you You weren't
on the bus home. Or my sister would have been like,
where were you You weren't on the bus home? You know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
It's just if my brother or my cousin said that,
I'd be like, shut the fuck up, narc, Like why
aren't you ditching too? I'm sorry that you're fucking None
of my brother, my cousin, my friends would never have
read it on me for ditching. Ever. I used to
have a friend who would call the school when he
was bored because he had half days like Adam as
a dentist appointment, and he called me out of school
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just so we would hang out.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
We Yeah, I didn't start driving until I was in college.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I feel like, Okay, I got my license the fucking
day I could get it.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, going. I got my driver's license when I was eighteen,
so I was already finished with high school.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
We were also talking about this is a tangent, but
the way you get a license in Texas pretty fucking wild,
at least for me.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I don't know what it's like now, but for me, Okay,
you just go to driving school. They have you drive
a couple hours in the car. Never took a parallel
parking test. Never. I don't remember having to take a
test where it was like you gotta stop at railroads
and you gotta do all this.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
You didn't take a written test. You didn't technically take
a driving test. You just took the driver's instructor course, yeah,
where they rode.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
With you and then they give you a piece of paper,
and then you take the piece of paper to the
DMV and then the DMB gives you your driver's license.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
See in Indiana, that's how we got our permit. And
then once our sixteenth birthday hit. I think you had
to be sixteen and like one month and one day
or some weird shit like that, and you had to
have a permit you had to pass a fifty question
test and you had to do a driving test with
an instructor in a car.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So maybe when I first started the driving class, they
gave me a permit. Maybe when I first started, like
we signed up for.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
The class, and you've got the permit for free then
and we.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Took maybe we took a written and then they gave
us our permit and then all the driving in the
class was the hours for the permit, and then we
took that and took it to the DMBA.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It's bizarre to me. But what I said is the
lack of days of glatitude handing out licenses in Texas
shows well, drive on those fucking freeways and you're gonna
be like, these people are insane and they do not
know how to drive.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
My okay, so my this is way off tangent, all right.
But my driving course was I would just drive and
the guy, our teacher, would just make us go on
errands for them. So we would go to like a
different driving school office and pick up paperwork or something
for them. It was very strange, and he would fall asleep.
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He would fall asleep in the car. One time he
would fall in Texas. There one time he fell asleep
in the car and I swear I was like, going
seventy two on the freeway in Texas. Okay, seventy two
is not fast, And he woke up and was just like,
whoa slow down. I'm like, dude, what what I think?
I go seventy five if I'm going slow?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
These days, I'm shocked they didn't have you take a
shooting test to see whether or not you can get your
license in Texas, Like hit these five targets now, driving
like it's a fucking test you do in Zelda while
writing on a poem.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
The first time I ever shot a gun wasn't even
in Texas. I think it was in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I'm not tracked by that. Yeah, I know you're friends.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah anyway, okay, so moving on, moving on. I feel
like hitchhiking used to be more common in an era
where people still used to leave their door their front
doors open. You know, they would leave things unlocked and
stuff like that. You'd have latch key kids. You really
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don't have that anymore. A lot of people that I know,
they're like, I gotta go pick up the kids from school.
That people don't really have their kids walk home like
they used to. Maybe they still do, but not as often.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I can see not walking home. The latch key kid
thing to me made sense as a kid, where I'm like,
skimme key to my own house. I will go inside,
put on cartoons, and wait for mom and daddy get
home in like an hour and a half.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So in this, if I had a kid right now,
never would I ever let them walk home alone.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I mean I didn't say walk home. I would take
the bus home. But once they were home, it's just
like they don't need constant fucking supervision.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
When I took the bus, okay, Uh didn't matter what state.
I took the bus, and I went to two diferent
high schools. Okay, but the any bus that I've ever taken,
they drop you pretty far from your house and then
you have to walk.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
We got dropped at our driveway, unless you were in
a subdivision, in which case you got dropped on your road.
So in Hawaii, that's such a small state, they're not
fucking they're they're not taking you to your driveways.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Now they would. They would drop us off at a
main road, and it was off the highway too. It
wasn't like a side road they drop you off at.
They dropped us off at the highway and then you'd
turn and walk down. And then in Texas, I lived
in the subdivision, so they dropped us at the front
of the subdivision.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, none of this matters to this matters to the
I mean it kind of.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Is because we're talking about our childhoods and like how
we grew up in like the way like security as
a child felt.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So I wouldn't in this day and age. Never I
even if it's like taking the bus and having having
my kids stand on the corner waiting for the bus
in the morning. No, I can't. The idea of it horrifying.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah? Wow, No, it's horrifying to me because the last.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Time, how are the kids going to get to school?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
The hook drive him to school? Fuck?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Are you insane?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
You are from home?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Okay? Cool? I start working at seven thirty in the morning,
just saying.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I start before you.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Okay, cool? So you know how the kid's gonna get
the kids to Hey, that's the stop, go stand there. No,
if there's a creepy guy, here's a pepper spray and
a cell phone. I'll come down there and be No.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
We have so many friends and listeners that are parents.
I can't wait to hear what they say about their ideas.
And I know some people are less scared about it,
like you're obviously very nonchalant about it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
But as I am nonchalant, I'm just saying, like, I'm
not as paranoid as.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
You as somebody who has been like assaulted. I'm not,
as you.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Know, But did that happen because of where your bus
stop was?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
No? But it's trusting people you shouldn't trust.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I totally understand that, But I'm just saying, like those
are two separate.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
But if the bus driver is a serial.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
You know what, we should probably just lock them in
a basement their entire lives.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Then, no, you just drive them to and from school.
Easy busy, all right, So I've obviously watched way too
many true crime documentaries.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I'm worried about you now.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's hitch hiking is like to me, the idea of
door dashing a victim straight to them. You know you
you are hitch hiking and you get into the murderer's vehicle.
It's just crazy to me because you never know. I
think it's funny that people make jokes now where it's like,
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there's what are the odds that were both killers?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You know, how many violent crimes do they say? It's
like ninety percent of violent crimes happen from someone that
you know.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
For I think kidnappings for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, it's like it's such just an astronaut high number.
So I do think about that off where it's like
sometimes it's like you're better off trusting a fucking stranger
than like calling someone you know to like pick you
up from.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
A bar whatever. Yeah. Yeah, and you know, old crime
is a crazy thing. Yeah, it's just crazy cool.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's a sad, scary place.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, So you can already see where this is going
other than off the rails. So Colleen was picked up
along Interstate five in Red Bluff, California, which is northern California,
by a man named Cameron Hooker. He looked dirty, like
he'd just gotten off work. He was three years older
than her, and when she got into his blue van,
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his wife, Janice and their baby were in the car.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Sounds similar. I've heard something like this before. Have you
about a baby being in the car?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Oh that's me. I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Oh, Janis was eighteen years old, so not gonna lie.
If it were me, I too would feel safer if
I saw a family in the car, obviously, example, and
with people my age. He was only three years older
than her. It's like somebody so similar in age, you know.
Granted the woman that dropped me off back at school
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was much older and she had a baby in the car,
but still doesn't matter. I don't at all recommend that
you hitch hike. Maybe you are more.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Inclined, but no, I've never hitchhiked.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I don't even like taking the bus.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I mean, I'm okay with public transportation, but checking with
a total stranger is like, I don't know, It's not
like I'm super paranoid something bad is going to happen
to me, but I don't feel comfortable one imposing on
a stranger and two having to trust someone that I
have no fucking details on. Like, hang on one second,
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mister nice samaritan, I'm gonna text your license plate to
the person that I trust the most with my life.
Right well, it just yeah, I don't think I've ever
had in my mind that I would do something like that.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I've been robbed on a bus not robbed. All my
stuff was taken from me and.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Like you knew or they just like snatched it from me.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And I had no idea until it was too late
and I had nothing. I was like, where's my school bag?
It was all gone?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Was a school bus or was it?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Just like it was a public transportation bus. And then
I got a call from a bank and they're like,
we found your school bag with all your stuff that
it had quote unquote all my stuff in it. Obviously
wallet and stuff is gone, but my t I eighty
four plus was still in it.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, it's like back in the day, like one hundred bucks.
So you yeah, anyway, that's not important. What's important is
this story. So she gets into this van janis, isn't
it Their baby is in it, and she thought this
seems like a safe situation, so she gets in. They
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stop at a gas station, where Colleen decides she asked
's the restroom, and despite having some doubts about her situation,
she gets back in the car. So she gets back
into the car. It's a twenty minute ride until Hooker
pulls off the highway, claiming he wants to explore some
nearby caves. What the fuck freaking red flag. That's bullshit, insane, dude,
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red freaking flag. So once they're stopped, Janice gets out
of the car and goes down to the lake with
the baby, and Cameron proceeds to cover Colleen's head with
this like twenty pound box or something that prevented any
light from coming in, any like fresh air from really
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flowing through it, and she could barely hear anything out
of it. That's how she described this box. The twist
ish here is that they picked up Colleen because Colleen
was supposed to be sort of like a replacement for Janis.
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So this whole time, hooker has been using Janice, but
Janie was like, hey, let's go and pick somebody else
up and you can, you know, focus on them instead
of me type of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
So this guy is a sadistic, horrible person. He tortures her,
He locks her up for his own use, and he
makes up elaborate lies to scare Colleen into staying. So
he claims an organization called the Company would hurt her
and her family if she ever tried to escape, and
(23:38):
Colleen said that he threatened that she'd be nailed to
a cross and left for days if she tried by
this company, this quote unquote company. It was just psychological torture.
She was just put in this horrible, horrible situation, and
supposedly he forced her into signing some contract, like a
(24:00):
slave contract with him, and he would refer to her
as K like she wouldn't have a real name. He
just called her K and would force him force her
to call him master. Like. It was just a horrible situation.
She was kept in a locked wooden box that measured
three feet by six feet that was kept Wow, that
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was kept under the couple's bed.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
That's not even like a prison cell. That's horrible.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Like I can't even imagine. I'm five eight, so that
would give I mean, I don't know how tall she was,
but just me, you know, that's only four inches two
inches on either side. If I'm like in the middle,
that's awful.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Three feet by six feet. I know there's another dimension
in there, so I'm guessing it's like three by three
by six.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Uh, there's actually a movie. It'd be interesting if we
watched the movie because it shows her in the box,
you know, but the box in the movie is much bigger.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I'm gonna say it's gonna have to be. There's just
no way you could represent screen.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah. So as time went on and she complied with
every he demanded, she was given more and more freedoms,
and she was let out to go for walks, work
in the yard, and they even used her as like
a babysitter for their kids. She would only be let
out for an hour or so a day. Wow, But
I'd like to know. Yeah, I'd like to note that
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during her captivity, Janis had a second child with this guy.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Like, it's mind boggling that that would happen. But I
guess if you were in that situation and you were
kind of brainwashed and abused first, and you're just kind
of it's like a Stockholm syndrome right time kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Who knows.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
But Colleen was forced to help build a bigger compound
to accommodate for more of these captives. According to Colleen,
she was too afraid of this company to try and
get help from any neighbors or authorities. Like she would
be outside doing whatever, and she would never she was
too scared to tell a neighbor like, dude, I'm held
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here against my will or whatever. In nineteen eighty one.
So four years after her initial abduction, she was allowed
to go visit her family herself. Like, she was actually
allowed to go visit her family.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I mean, okay, yeah, I'm interested to hear what happens next.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
He went with her too, Okay. So she never revealed
her situation to her family out of fear of the consequences. Again,
she's afraid of this company entity. And her family just
thought that she'd had gotten herself into a cult because
she showed up in like homemade clothes, like she had
no money, She hadn't communicated anything with them, She'd missed
(26:45):
so many holidays and events and things like that, so
they were like, she must be in a cult. They
didn't want to push her away. They didn't want to
say anything because they didn't want her to run and leave,
you know, so they just accepted everything at face value.
She showed up with hooker and he pretended like he
(27:06):
was her boyfriend or fiance or whatever, and so there
they took pictures like happy quote unquote happy family photos
with this person that.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You sent me while you were doing your rehar.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
No, no, no, I think I sent all the photos I
sent to you were like of Colleen of Janice, of
of this Cameron guy and during the trials and stuff
like that too. So I mean, you can take a
look at it later. But Hooker took her back, so
she saw her family, and then he took her back
(27:38):
and locked her up for more years. So in nineteen
eighty three, she's finally allowed to go get a job.
She's allowed to go get a job as a maid
at a hotel that was a couple miles away, like
a local motel, and things were starting to fall apart
between Janis and Hooker. Hooker started looking at Colleen as
like a second wife, and so Jane was like their
(28:01):
relationship between he and Janie were just it's like he's
starting to focus more on her and not you know,
it's weird. The whole situation is weird because if I
were Janis, I'd be like, well, that's great that he's
not focusing on me anymore. But maybe it's like now.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
She she's so brainwashed. He's like, she she's gonna be replaced. Yeah,
like scary gay.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah. So according to Janice, she had been tortured and
brainwashed by him too, but that by August of nineteen
eighty four, she started telling Colleen, like the company doesn't exist,
none of that is real. And so one day Colleen
decides she's gonna leave, and she gets on she goes
(28:48):
to the bus station and she calls Hooker from the
bus station and tells him like she's outy, she's done.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Why why would you say that from the bus station.
She gets to your destination first, if you're gonna call this.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Person, according to her, he starts crying like ball the phone.
And she gets on the bus and goes home, like
to her home, like family home, and she gets home.
In the months following, she doesn't say anything to police,
she doesn't say anything to authorities. She still keeps in
contact with this guy. Wow, she keeps in contact with
(29:20):
this guy. And during her trial she explains she does
it because Janice had requested that Colleen give him a
chance to reform. Oh my god, no, yeah, yeah, She's
been held captive for what like seven years almost or
something like that, and he never obviously never did he
(29:42):
obviously never got better. And he ends up being reported
to the police after three months by Janie herself.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I bet you once Colleen was gone, like everything went
so downhills. She was like, uh uh oh, I'm gonna
need to contact someone now. Yeah, I can't just escape
like this is super dangerous.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
So, according to Janice, Hooker had kidnapped and murdered a
girl named Marie Elizabeth Spinecki and she was nineteen from Chico, California,
and had gone missing January thirty first, nineteen seventy six,
So that's just a year before Colleen had been kidnapped.
Murray had been walking home when Janie and Hooker picked
(30:25):
her up under the false pretense of taking her home.
They'd tortured her for a whole day before he inevitably
strangled her to death. Wow, this guy is just a mess,
Like he's a horrible, horrible person. Janice even gave authorities
the burial location of her body in Last and Volcanic
(30:49):
National Park, but they weren't able to locate any remains.
And by now it's nineteen eighty four, it's eight years
after the fact, So so much could have happened in
a national park open area, like it could have washed
everything away and they're not going to find anything. And
because they couldn't find anything, nothing happened.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
So they couldn't they couldn't pin it on him. I
just wish there was justice for marine. No, there's nothing
they can do, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Uh, but feel like there's got to be something they
can do. At this point. It's such an old cold case.
It's like eighty years old. Yeah, but it's just like
that's so horrific. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So the trial begins in nineteen eighty five, Janice testifies
in exchange for full immunity. A lot of these events
were also told by Colleen herself, and according to her,
she'd been an experienced hitchhiker and so that day when
she was kidnapped, she'd already turned down two rides from
other people, and she believed that this one would be
(31:49):
safe because she saw Janis with the baby, you know.
And it goes to show you that you really can't
trust even your own instincts. When you think you're like,
I know what's safe, you know, I know that I'll
be okay. Everything is potentially dangerous. And when she was
in the bathroom and things felt off, she could have
decided like maybe I should run or maybe I should
(32:10):
just be like, now, guys, this is good, I'm gonna
stay here. You should would have could have you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
What's that? My favorite murders looking like fuck politeness. Yeah,
if you're in the bathroom, you're like this feels odd
and you're worried that you might offend someone by just
like ghosting them. Yeah, just being like hey, guys, like
I'm gonna take it from here, you know. Yeah, it's
like trust trust that instinct. If your instinct is hey,
I feel like I need to keep myself safe in
this moment. Yeah, And I don't know why that's something
(32:38):
you should always fucking trust. Even if it's wrong, you're
still safe.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
So yea that that moment in the bathroom where she's like,
this feels kind of weird, Like she like she was
getting the vibe, she was getting the major red flags
right there, and it's just like, I don't know what
it was that drove her back into that car.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Sometimes it's like I got to get to my friend's birthday,
you know, got to get there somehow. I'm not sure
the world's a scary place. I would not do it.
I've seen some of these bathrooms on road trips we've
gone to and it's just not for me. I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Feel like that's a different issue. But I agree, Yeah,
I don't know like.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
These it's just when you're on road trips that you're
in the middle of nowhere. Half the time there's nothing,
and so the idea of you being in a car
with strangers that are driving through nothingness is horrifying. Horrifying anyway,
she stated that she doesn't know what took her so
long to decide to make these uh to make the escape.
(33:39):
Colleen gave credit to her faith in God and her
belief that she could one day escape that allowed her
to survive her orgule for so long. She said that
she would disassociate and that she would lay there and
in her mind just think she could go anywhere in
her mind just wow, you know, to kind of co
(34:00):
with the things that she's dealing with. And Hooker was
eventually found guilty for sexual assault and kidnapping while using
a knife. He was sentenced to one hundred and four
years in prison, incarcerated at the California Institute four Men
in Chino, California.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
So he's not very far away, it's assuming.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
So it's so crazy because we drive past this like
every other weekend. It is insane, Like we literally drive
past this place.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Is he still alive?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
He is still alive. Actually, he is still alive. He
was denied parole in twenty fifteen, but during twenty twenty,
officials contacted Colleen to let her know that they were
thinking of releasing him on parole. He is classified as
sexually violent though, like a sexually violent predator. So he
was released to the Department of State Hospitals in twenty
twenty one. So he's too dangerous to like let out
(35:00):
a mental hospital, yeah or something. I don't know, state
hospitals at a mental institution maybe sometimes yeah. Yeah. So
Colleen suffered from chronic back and shoulder pain from her
ordeal and had to receive extensive therapy, which I can't
even imagine how you go to Can.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
You imagine being a therapist being like, Okay, I'm gonna
be talking to Adam. He's got some issues from his childhood. Okay,
pretty standard stuff. Me talking to Colleen. She was trapped
in a fucking box for a decade. Oh why can't
I ever get the easy ones?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
It makes me wonder when I talk to my therapist
if she's just coming off of talking to somebody else
that's really traumatize, some crazy real and my trauma is
just like you know my mom my mom did this
to me, you know, and it's like such petty bullshit.
Oh my gosh, that is just to me. I don't
(35:53):
know how therapists do it. It is crazy that they okay,
bad choice of It is just incredible how they're able
to handle that and compartmentalize that right and help people
handle their trauma without in turn becoming traumatize themselves by
that trauma. Yeah, it's just something else. Shout out to
(36:15):
those therapists out there. You guys are doing uh, the
Lord's work, The Lord's work. Okay. So, despite the therapy,
Colleen still struggled to maintain regular relationships. I think she's
been married like four times. It's hard. It's so hard
when you're so traumatized. Like imagine having someone even try
to touch you for the first time and you're just like,
(36:37):
don't fucking touch you.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, please don't touch me, like ever, Yeah type of thing.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah. Both Janice and Colleen changed their names and became
involved in social work and women's refuge, like working with
homes for abused women and things like that. Every year
on August tenth, Colleen and her family have a party
on the beach to celebrate her escape with I think
is really cool that just happens, especially being out that
(37:03):
did just two days ago, which is nice out here
in California. I mean, honestly, though, I've never swam at
a beach in California, so I don't know what the
water's like. I'm from Hawaii. The water is always warm,
it's cold and salty? Is it here?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Have you been in it? I've been in the Pacific
Ocean a lot.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah. Yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Mean sometimes it's nice, but yeah, I shout out to Colleen.
Poor went out for Colleen. I guess not poor one out.
Raise a glass to Colleen.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yes, raise a glass to Colleen. A movie was released
in twenty sixteen, so pretty recent movie.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
What's it called.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
It's called Girl in the Box.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Okay, very on the title.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, it's based on this case. In case you wanted
to watch something on this topic, I would be interested
in watching it. It might be a bit much to watch, yeah,
but you know, sometimes you gotta be curious.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, that's a that's a wild fucking story. So good
job focusing on the survivor of the story. I really
did enjoy that, and I'm happy to hear that that
guy is still in some way, shape or form incarcerate, right,
and he's been in custody essentially for forty plus years.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, so I mean he's he got sentenced to one
hundred and four.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah. The fact that they are still considering parolling him
after forty is like it's a third, guys, like a
third of the years you sentenced him too, Like what
the fuck are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I think sometimes they're like, well, he's almost you know,
he's seventy something. He's almost at the end. Anyway, Actually
that's not how old he is. I don't know how
old he is. That I don't know. But you know,
when when they're older, they're like, what are they going
to do? They're old? But you never know a horrible
thing still. Yeah, yeah, so of the.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Worst people I've ever met, our old people really, because
they're just like they're at their end. They're at the end,
and they're like I don't give a fuck, and they
say and do terrible things. So I'd say keep him
in there, just saying one hundred and twenty or so years,
make him serve every one of them. If he lasts
to one fifty, let his old ass out and roll
him in his wheelchair into fucking traffic, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
So specific.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I mean I didn't say which freeway to put him on.
But still, it's just horrible that you would let a
monster back out just because like, oh, he's an old guy.
I feel bad for him now, Like no, no, no, he
earned this. He earned where he's at. He did a
horrible fucking thing for a very long time and stole
the last two people and murdered one person and got
away with it. So like, no sympathy for me whatsoever.
(39:27):
And I think it's fucking crazy to let him out. Yeah,
but that's just my opinion. Fair but yeah, good topic,
Thank you, well done. I like the Survivor series, which
is the name. I enjoy it a WWF wrestling pay
per view events. Maybe maybe we won't use that, but yeah,
we'll think of something for when we ever come back
to covering a harrowing tale of survival.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Oh my gosh, did I update you at all on
the Shiloh thing? He did not know what was the
last thing you heard? He found it? Tracker in the boot?
Did I tell you that?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I vaguely remember you telling me that as my most
recent update.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So I'm not going to update you guys until to
where it is now because I'm like a little behind.
But he found a tracker in the boot. Okay, Shiloh,
the WW guy.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
This is the tangent. We already finished her first time.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
We already finished my first topic. This is like a
bonus update to something I think I've talked about on
the show before. So Shiloh, he finds the tracker in
the boot. Okay, in one of the boots, he finds
a tracker. He he used to go to Stanford I
think or something like that for computer science. So he
plugs this chip in, does all this stuff, finds a
(40:38):
phone number, texts this fucking phone number through through all
this programming. I don't remember how he did it, but
he texts this phone number, okay, and he gets like
cryptic texts back and it says like don't trust the
shoe man, like all this stuff. And then and then
he gets shipped a pair of boots. He gets shipped
(41:02):
another pair of boots that are wet, that are moist,
that are covered in what looks like blood, with another
VHS tape inside and a cell phone. So he opens
up the cell phone and finds that it's the cell
phone that had.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Texted him that's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
So he like calls the number and it calls that
cell phone that got shipped to him.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Okay, this is all seeming hoax ish, like I do.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
So he had to get authorities involved and he's like,
I can't do the series anymore. I can't update it anymore.
It's just getting scary. He so, Okay, So the website
comes down. The Schumann website comes down, and then it
goes back up and Shiloh is a listing on the website.
Now Shiloh is a listing on the website. There's no
there's no picture of shoes yet, but his name's on
(41:57):
there and the dollar amount, like all the other shoes
are like a couple hundred, you know, his is like thousands,
like seventy five thousand dollars or some insane number like that.
And I was just like what. But it's fascinating. If
you guys haven't seen any of it, it's fun to
watch these videos. I don't know if it's real. I
he's on the team. He's on the Undertaker's team.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Teams is so weird because there's been factions before it's
like he is under that group, and so what are they?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I don't fucking know. All I know is that it
could be the lead up could be the biggest, coolest
lead up to a fight or a match where it's
him against the fucking shoe man. That would be the sickest.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
It's saying, well, the.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Undertaker is dark. Okay, there never no, but the lore
if he's under that like group, it's gonna be dark.
Weird shit.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah. The thing I will say in defense of your
theory is that like the guys in charge of the
WWE NOO who used to be wrestlers, they understand the
power of social media, and they understand the power of
breaking character finally and stepping outside of KFA to do
documentaries talk about their characters, talk about behind the scenes shit,
and they are starting to use that social media presence
(43:25):
and like that, stepping outside of KFA as a work
to get people interested in matches again. So that's what
could be happening here. A work is essentially when you
do something that's supposed to be like real. Yeah, like
all of a sudden it got real, But really you're
just trying to get people like fucking hyped up for
a match, like like someone getting hit with a car
and getting their back broke, like they already had an injury,
they just needed to like take actual time off, and
(43:46):
so they make it look like something horrible happened to
them to like get people angry or whatever. That could
be something like this. But introducing a brand new character
through this, just like elaborate fucking shit involving authorities too,
makes me think that this not be a worker in
any way related to that. But I don't fucking know. Man,
It's it's crazy shit, for.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Sure, It's okay, But if it turns out that it is,
that would be the sickest shit. I would watch that
match just to watch it.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I still enjoy watching wrestling. It's so much fun. I
haven't watched like an act, I haven't followed storyline in
like twenty years, but I've like watched if you I've
watched Andrew wrestle before. That was show favorite Andrew.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Dude, that was such a fun thing to go to.
I've never been to something like that.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Wrestling fucking rules.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah, it was so crazy.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, but good stuff. Keep us posted, keep us up
in all the things that are happening in the worldwide
entertainment of wrestling?
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Is that what WWE stands for?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I think it used to be World Wrestling Federation, out's
World Wrestling Entertainment. I don't fucking know. Again, I haven't
watched since it was the WWF, So.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Don't my My aunt out there is probably just like
this is what it.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Means, and we need to talk to Angel when we
get out there. Yeah, so all right, any great topics
are Robin very much appreciate good work.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Thank you, Thank you. Did you enjoy the little bonus?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Hell yeah I did.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
I wish I had done it at the beginning. Sorry,
everybody who's made it to this point, thank you for
sticking around.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
We've normally based off the challenges we put out there
to put emojis into our Instagram that people actually do
stick around to the very end, which I didn't think
was the thing.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
They're like a wrestling ring emoji.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Do you think probably? I don't know that would be
sick check your phone dog. Yeah. For anyone who has
stories I'd like to share with this, it could be
your insights into what's going on when it comes to
this Shiloh situation takes on the story that Robin covered
today doesn't have to be anything related to those two topics.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
We need some homegrown horrors.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yeah, that's what I'm getting to. Any stories that you
have related to something supernatural, paranormal, extraterrestrial, true crime, coincidental,
send them to us. We want to hear your stories.
If you have stories that you'd like to share that
are a friend or a family member and they've given
you permission to share them, send them to us via email,
email storytime at scarish dot com.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Are you Shiloh reach out to go to.
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I do have a coworker who told me some crazy
fucking stories.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Are you gonna try and get them on?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
And I was like, do you want to write these out?
Or do you want to come on the show? And
he wrote them out and slack, and I was like,
what the fuck? I have so many questions. I was like,
do you want to just come on the show. He's
like sure, oh, hell yeah. Hoping to get him on
the show, so we'll see how that goes. I actually
have two co workers don't want to get on the show,
one of them for paranormal stuff, one of them for
true crime stuff. So we'll see if we can get
(46:42):
some special guests coming for you by the end of
the year. And yeah, we will try and get you
guys another episode. I'm gonna try and do what I can.
But if you don't hear from us in the next
two weeks, just know that I'm in a lot of pain.
I probably have two black eyes and I look like
a fucking I don't know, like I just got the
shit beat out of me well, and I'm recovering.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
I think it'll be funny to post some videos of
you on Patreon.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
I'm definitely gonna post because I'm like kind of nervous
leading up to it, because like surgeries are always kind
of scary, but just be like, hey, guys, like just
so you know, here's what's going on, and then like
I will probably post at least one thing of me
looking super cool, Wadrian felt cute. We'll delete later, so
we'll see how it goes. But thank you everyone for
(47:20):
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If anyone would like to donate to us, how can
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Speaker 2 (48:03):
You, right, yeah, I think just about everything we have
so cool. Thank you all. We appreciate you. Thank you
for the sport. Rob Go ahead and send us out.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Keep on creeping. I won't talk to you later.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Hy Bye
Hey, there's speaking friends, and welcome to another episode of
the Scarish Podcast. I'm Robin Grace. This is Adam Diaz
and uh we do podcasts about scary ish than just
this one.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, we cover paranormal and true crime stuff, and sometimes
it's scary, and sometimes it's not super scary, and sometimes
it's super super scary.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Sometimes it's a paranormal ghosty things. Sometimes it's natural disasters.
Sometimes we got well a lot of the time lately it's.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
True crime true I think we've done a lot of
supernatural stuff lately, actually severing back into the true crime territory.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Well, today today's true crime Day.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Right, So yeah, it'll be a fun time. I doubt
this is your first episode, but if it is, welcome.
I'm Adam. That's Robin. Like she already mentioned, I just
want to make sure we're covering that. It's been about
two more it's been an extra week.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I think it's been an extra week. We well, Adam
found out some stuff last week that I'm kind of
excited for my operation.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yes, you're all right, so I'll make this super quick
because I know everyone's just like, we don't care about
your personal lives. Just give us, the spooks and the goods.
But yeah, I have a deviated septum in my nose.
I've had it for a long time. I used to
box a lot in high school. People are like, how'd
your box? Did you have school boxing?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Me and my brother used to go into the basement
with boxing goes and beat the shit out of each
other for like four years. Who doesn't, right, who doesn't?
So I've broken my nose quite a few times. The
first time I broke my nose, I was thinking about
this since the appointment was in fifth grade, just like
playing Mortal Kombat shit in a basement and like going
face first into concrete my goodness. And yeah, I've done
it quite a few times since then. But yeah I don't.
(01:54):
I can't breathe on one of my nostrils like at all.
So like trying to do cardio back in the day
when I was still fit was hell mouth breather. It's
the worst thing ever. And so the prospect of breathing
through my nose is something that I thought was just
too big of a dream to dare to dream. Tried
to do it back right right before COVID hit and
got my surgery scheduled, and then COVID shut everything down
(02:15):
and just never really had the ambition to get it
going again. Decided to go see an e and t
at Robin's insistence to say like, hey, can she check
out your nose and fix it? And I was just
like I don't know. So I went in. She stuck
a fucking camera up my nose and like, yeah, your
nose is like severely deviated. It's almost like completely deviated
to the right. I can schedule for surgery in like
two weeks. I was like what, because like in twenty nineteen,
(02:38):
I saw a guy and I'm like a heavy dude,
and when I saw him, he was just like didn't
look in my nose at all. He was just like
it's because you're fat. Yeah, you need to lose weight.
And he recommended me to a dietitian and it told him,
like I'm not going to go to a dietician, Like
thanks for that, Like I have like ways that I
can lose weight that I know of, And so he
scheduled me for a follow up after I got a
CT scan and my nose is like so fucking broken.
(03:00):
Was like oh wow, And then he started to take
me seriously. So it was nice going to a doctor
who wasn't just like, oh, you're having something happening. It's
probably because you're fat, fatty fatty fatty boomblatty can't get
through the kitchen door. Like that is how I feel
like I'm treated so frequently with doctors who are just
fucking like lazy dickheads.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
See yeah, AnyWho, anyway, what a quick story.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Next week it's quick for me. Uh yeah, I'm getting
my nose operated on, so I'm gonna be out of
commission for like a week. I'm actually taking time off
of work, which I don't normally do.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Next weeks or something.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
No, it's a week of recovery time, she said, two weeks.
But after a week, I I'll feel much better.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to like a fucking stick jammed
in my nose and shit, and I have to get
it taken out in a week, and uh well, we'll
see how that goes. But because of that, the episode
might be a little bit later than normal. We'll see.
I kind of want to try and get one recorded
right before my surgery, but we'll be driving back from
Las Vegas on that Monday, so we'll see if I
have the time to like get home, do a script, record, edit, post,
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then wake up super early for surgery. But yeah, we'll
see how that goes. So Robin's super excited, though she
thinks I'm gonna come out of there looking.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Like, No, I'm just excited for no snoring.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, that's the thing. And I told her this. The
antia is like, not only can this not guarantee that
you won't snore, it could feasibly make your snoring worse
with more air going through your nose if the problems
with the back of your throat. Robin's just convinced this
is going to be the solution to my snoring. So
I don't think that'll be the case, but we'll see. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
All right, So before we get into the actual topic,
big shout outs to Fay, Shandon Dulce, and Carl Olav.
You guys are amazing for being such big supporters of us.
We're super super thankful. Thank you for everybody else who
supports us, even if you're literally free tier. As long
as you're following us and you're sharing us with your
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friends or whatever, we are incredibly thankful.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, it means the world to us. Thank you so
much to everyone, not just our shout out to your folks,
but especially our shout out to your folks. All the
support that we get all the time is fantast and yeah,
keeps us going. Like Robin said, so I believe this
is going to be a Robin episode, So I will
turn over to you. What do you have in store
for us? Robin?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
All right? So, like I was saying, it's true crime,
and this week maybe something that some of you may
want to skip or avoid, or if you find kidnapping
things a little bit triggering, maybe it's not your episode. Obviously,
it's going to be in the title, so you kind
of know what's coming in this episode. But I wanted
to do a series that kind of focuses on stories
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of survivors instead of how a lot of the true
crime stuff we do is like murder, and there's no
surviving that pretty much.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
If you've been murdering, if you've been murdered.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, So I wanted to do like a series on
survivors and escape things like that, and stories of those
that had to endure things like years of captivity. And
I just think it's really fascinating because I don't know
if I could personally survive that I'd just be like
let it end. You know, I don't know, I'm weak.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's so hard because there's there's certain things about day
to day lifere I'm like, please God, let it in.
But the idea of being in captivity and someone like
forcing me to be somewhere that I don't want to be.
I don't know if I would be the kind of
person that's strong enough to like survive for that long
or if I just like go crazy trying to escape.
So I'm interested, but also like morbidly curious to hear
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your topic.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, I think when it comes to survivors, they're smart,
they're strong, and it's just something that that me mentally.
I mean, I want to cry when the littlest thing
goes wrong in my life, you know, So I don't
think i'd be able to handle it. But I was
trying to do a compilation at first, like a whole
(06:46):
slew of them in an episode. But then as I'm
looking at these different cases, they all are so in
depth and crazy the things they go through, and it
kind of took a life of took on a life
of its own. So hopefully you enjoy these topics and
don't mind if I do like a you know, kidnapping one,
(07:09):
two three type thing, like multiple episodes in a series.
I probably won't do them all in a row because
you know, there's so many so there's only so much
of it you can take.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
But I was going to say, I should have saved
it for September so we could call it Survival September.
But that's okay. I'll think of something by the end
of the episode for August.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, I don't think I'll do them all in all,
you know what I mean, Because to me, these types
of stories are a lot because these people have to
go through so much. I like to throw in paranormal
things or stuff to change it up. You know. I
think a lot of stuff has weird, has been going on.
(07:47):
I just saw an article that some telescope found like
what looks like an alien spaceship or something in space.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I feel like there's an article like that like every
week nowadays. Yeah, so it's hard to even cipher or
just decipher like the bullshit from stuff that might be credible.
And uh, yeah, there's there's just so many bizarre headlines.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, but those are fun. Even though you know, I
think we did a topic on the Monolith, and even
though it came out to be like just some people
putting up an art thing, it's cool. It's fun.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
It's enjoying fun, yeah, for sure. Like that's why they
make TV shows about them, ranging for Scooby Doo like
the most you know, wacky happy mystery solvers, to like Supernatural,
where like by the third season they just abandoned trying
to save people and are just murdering every possessed person
that they find.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Jensen knuckles, though Jensen Ackles in the new show Countdown
Chef's Kiss Hot anyway, it just.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Sounded like a regular kiss. Let's be honest, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So the first kidnapping that I wanted to cover it
is going to be this entire episode, so hopefully you
guys don't mind. But it's that of Colleen stan and
her case was dubbed the Girl in the Box. So
I don't know name of.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
The episode the Girl in the Box.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I thought it would just be kidnapping, but it could
be called the Girl in the Box actually, or be
like a kidnapping survivor's dash with the.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Girl in the Box up to you to your episode.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
All right, so we're about to find out why, right.
It's just an interesting name for a case. So on
May nineteenth, nineteen seventy seven, Colleen stan who was twenty
years old at the time, was hitchhiking from her home
in Eugene, Oregon, to her friend's home in Westwood, California,
where she was supposed to go attend a birthday party.
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I don't know about you, but this time nineteen seventy seven,
completely different time than we are in now.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I have a professor from college who said that he
hitchhiked from like Seattle to Washington, DC. What. Yeah, And
it was just like it was a different time back then.
I remember hearing him say that, thinking to myself, it
really was, though there was serial killers everywhere. You just
got lucky. You didn't know what was waiting for you
around the corner.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Well, people don't just pick up hitch hikers anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, it's just the serial.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I have only hitchhiked once when I was a senior
in high school, and I would never do it again.
So the woman that we went, you know, got into
the car of she was an absolute sweetheart. She had
like a baby in the back seat, shout out to
my friend on because we we So we walked from
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school to my house and we it's Texas son, Okay,
Texas heat. We walked from school to my house. I
thought it was going to be real quick.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
How far was that?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I don't even remember how far it was. It was
so flip flap and far. We had to get back
to school. It was going to take too long. So
we got to a gas station and we kept asking
everybody gas station, can you please drop us off at school?
Can you please please drop us off at school? And
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this one was such a sweetheart. She took us to
school and not worth it. It was not worth it. I
would never hitch hike ever again.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
You say not worth it as if something bad happened.
She was just a sweetheart who gave you a ride.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But it's just like the fear that it could have
been anybody, you know, like she could have just taken
us and murdered us.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
What's crazy is that she she took you while she
had her.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Baby in the Yeah, we could have been the murderers.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, I was way more worried for her in this story.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And I know you, yeah, but if you saw me
an on back then, we were nerdy kids. There's no way. Yeah,
walking walking through, walking home and then trying to get
back to school was not worth it. I would not.
I learned ditch days for me, we're not worth it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, when you ditch, you stayed ditched. You don't go
back to school. You just did the dish day wrong.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
If you go, if you don't go back to school.
If I didn't go back to school, then my cousins
would have been like, so where were you You weren't
on the bus home. Or my sister would have been like,
where were you You weren't on the bus home? You know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
It's just if my brother or my cousin said that,
I'd be like, shut the fuck up, narc, Like why
aren't you ditching too? I'm sorry that you're fucking None
of my brother, my cousin, my friends would never have
read it on me for ditching. Ever. I used to
have a friend who would call the school when he
was bored because he had half days like Adam as
a dentist appointment, and he called me out of school
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just so we would hang out.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
We Yeah, I didn't start driving until I was in college.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I feel like, Okay, I got my license the fucking
day I could get it.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, going. I got my driver's license when I was eighteen,
so I was already finished with high school.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
We were also talking about this is a tangent, but
the way you get a license in Texas pretty fucking wild,
at least for me.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I don't know what it's like now, but for me, Okay,
you just go to driving school. They have you drive
a couple hours in the car. Never took a parallel
parking test. Never. I don't remember having to take a
test where it was like you gotta stop at railroads
and you gotta do all this.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
You didn't take a written test. You didn't technically take
a driving test. You just took the driver's instructor course, yeah,
where they rode.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
With you and then they give you a piece of paper,
and then you take the piece of paper to the
DMV and then the DMB gives you your driver's license.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
See in Indiana, that's how we got our permit. And
then once our sixteenth birthday hit. I think you had
to be sixteen and like one month and one day
or some weird shit like that, and you had to
have a permit you had to pass a fifty question
test and you had to do a driving test with
an instructor in a car.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So maybe when I first started the driving class, they
gave me a permit. Maybe when I first started, like
we signed up for.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
The class, and you've got the permit for free then
and we.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Took maybe we took a written and then they gave
us our permit and then all the driving in the
class was the hours for the permit, and then we
took that and took it to the DMBA.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It's bizarre to me. But what I said is the
lack of days of glatitude handing out licenses in Texas
shows well, drive on those fucking freeways and you're gonna
be like, these people are insane and they do not
know how to drive.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
My okay, so my this is way off tangent, all right.
But my driving course was I would just drive and
the guy, our teacher, would just make us go on
errands for them. So we would go to like a
different driving school office and pick up paperwork or something
for them. It was very strange, and he would fall asleep.
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He would fall asleep in the car. One time he
would fall in Texas. There one time he fell asleep
in the car and I swear I was like, going
seventy two on the freeway in Texas. Okay, seventy two
is not fast, And he woke up and was just like,
whoa slow down. I'm like, dude, what what I think?
I go seventy five if I'm going slow?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
These days, I'm shocked they didn't have you take a
shooting test to see whether or not you can get your
license in Texas, Like hit these five targets now, driving
like it's a fucking test you do in Zelda while
writing on a poem.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
The first time I ever shot a gun wasn't even
in Texas. I think it was in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I'm not tracked by that. Yeah, I know you're friends.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah anyway, okay, so moving on, moving on. I feel
like hitchhiking used to be more common in an era
where people still used to leave their door their front
doors open. You know, they would leave things unlocked and
stuff like that. You'd have latch key kids. You really
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don't have that anymore. A lot of people that I know,
they're like, I gotta go pick up the kids from school.
That people don't really have their kids walk home like
they used to. Maybe they still do, but not as often.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I can see not walking home. The latch key kid
thing to me made sense as a kid, where I'm like,
skimme key to my own house. I will go inside,
put on cartoons, and wait for mom and daddy get
home in like an hour and a half.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So in this, if I had a kid right now,
never would I ever let them walk home alone.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I mean I didn't say walk home. I would take
the bus home. But once they were home, it's just
like they don't need constant fucking supervision.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
When I took the bus, okay, Uh didn't matter what state.
I took the bus, and I went to two diferent
high schools. Okay, but the any bus that I've ever taken,
they drop you pretty far from your house and then
you have to walk.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
We got dropped at our driveway, unless you were in
a subdivision, in which case you got dropped on your road.
So in Hawaii, that's such a small state, they're not
fucking they're they're not taking you to your driveways.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Now they would. They would drop us off at a
main road, and it was off the highway too. It
wasn't like a side road they drop you off at.
They dropped us off at the highway and then you'd
turn and walk down. And then in Texas, I lived
in the subdivision, so they dropped us at the front
of the subdivision.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, none of this matters to this matters to the
I mean it kind of.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Is because we're talking about our childhoods and like how
we grew up in like the way like security as
a child felt.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So I wouldn't in this day and age. Never I
even if it's like taking the bus and having having
my kids stand on the corner waiting for the bus
in the morning. No, I can't. The idea of it horrifying.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah? Wow, No, it's horrifying to me because the last.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Time, how are the kids going to get to school?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
The hook drive him to school? Fuck?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Are you insane?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
You are from home?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Okay? Cool? I start working at seven thirty in the morning,
just saying.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I start before you.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Okay, cool? So you know how the kid's gonna get
the kids to Hey, that's the stop, go stand there. No,
if there's a creepy guy, here's a pepper spray and
a cell phone. I'll come down there and be No.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
We have so many friends and listeners that are parents.
I can't wait to hear what they say about their ideas.
And I know some people are less scared about it,
like you're obviously very nonchalant about it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
But as I am nonchalant, I'm just saying, like, I'm
not as paranoid as.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
You as somebody who has been like assaulted. I'm not,
as you.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Know, But did that happen because of where your bus
stop was?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
No? But it's trusting people you shouldn't trust.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I totally understand that, But I'm just saying, like those
are two separate.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
But if the bus driver is a serial.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
You know what, we should probably just lock them in
a basement their entire lives.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Then, no, you just drive them to and from school.
Easy busy, all right, So I've obviously watched way too
many true crime documentaries.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I'm worried about you now.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's hitch hiking is like to me, the idea of
door dashing a victim straight to them. You know you
you are hitch hiking and you get into the murderer's vehicle.
It's just crazy to me because you never know. I
think it's funny that people make jokes now where it's like,
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there's what are the odds that were both killers?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You know, how many violent crimes do they say? It's
like ninety percent of violent crimes happen from someone that
you know.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
For I think kidnappings for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, it's like it's such just an astronaut high number.
So I do think about that off where it's like
sometimes it's like you're better off trusting a fucking stranger
than like calling someone you know to like pick you
up from.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
A bar whatever. Yeah. Yeah, and you know, old crime
is a crazy thing. Yeah, it's just crazy cool.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's a sad, scary place.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, So you can already see where this is going
other than off the rails. So Colleen was picked up
along Interstate five in Red Bluff, California, which is northern California,
by a man named Cameron Hooker. He looked dirty, like
he'd just gotten off work. He was three years older
than her, and when she got into his blue van,
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his wife, Janice and their baby were in the car.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Sounds similar. I've heard something like this before. Have you
about a baby being in the car?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Oh that's me. I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Oh, Janis was eighteen years old, so not gonna lie.
If it were me, I too would feel safer if
I saw a family in the car, obviously, example, and
with people my age. He was only three years older
than her. It's like somebody so similar in age, you know.
Granted the woman that dropped me off back at school
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was much older and she had a baby in the car,
but still doesn't matter. I don't at all recommend that
you hitch hike. Maybe you are more.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Inclined, but no, I've never hitchhiked.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I don't even like taking the bus.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I mean, I'm okay with public transportation, but checking with
a total stranger is like, I don't know, It's not
like I'm super paranoid something bad is going to happen
to me, but I don't feel comfortable one imposing on
a stranger and two having to trust someone that I
have no fucking details on. Like, hang on one second,
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mister nice samaritan, I'm gonna text your license plate to
the person that I trust the most with my life.
Right well, it just yeah, I don't think I've ever
had in my mind that I would do something like that.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I've been robbed on a bus not robbed. All my
stuff was taken from me and.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Like you knew or they just like snatched it from me.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And I had no idea until it was too late
and I had nothing. I was like, where's my school bag?
It was all gone?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Was a school bus or was it?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Just like it was a public transportation bus. And then
I got a call from a bank and they're like,
we found your school bag with all your stuff that
it had quote unquote all my stuff in it. Obviously
wallet and stuff is gone, but my t I eighty
four plus was still in it.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, it's like back in the day, like one hundred bucks.
So you yeah, anyway, that's not important. What's important is
this story. So she gets into this van janis, isn't
it Their baby is in it, and she thought this
seems like a safe situation, so she gets in. They
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stop at a gas station, where Colleen decides she asked
's the restroom, and despite having some doubts about her situation,
she gets back in the car. So she gets back
into the car. It's a twenty minute ride until Hooker
pulls off the highway, claiming he wants to explore some
nearby caves. What the fuck freaking red flag. That's bullshit, insane, dude,
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red freaking flag. So once they're stopped, Janice gets out
of the car and goes down to the lake with
the baby, and Cameron proceeds to cover Colleen's head with
this like twenty pound box or something that prevented any
light from coming in, any like fresh air from really
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flowing through it, and she could barely hear anything out
of it. That's how she described this box. The twist
ish here is that they picked up Colleen because Colleen
was supposed to be sort of like a replacement for Janis.
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So this whole time, hooker has been using Janice, but
Janie was like, hey, let's go and pick somebody else
up and you can, you know, focus on them instead
of me type of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
So this guy is a sadistic, horrible person. He tortures her,
He locks her up for his own use, and he
makes up elaborate lies to scare Colleen into staying. So
he claims an organization called the Company would hurt her
and her family if she ever tried to escape, and
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Colleen said that he threatened that she'd be nailed to
a cross and left for days if she tried by
this company, this quote unquote company. It was just psychological torture.
She was just put in this horrible, horrible situation, and
supposedly he forced her into signing some contract, like a
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slave contract with him, and he would refer to her
as K like she wouldn't have a real name. He
just called her K and would force him force her
to call him master. Like. It was just a horrible situation.
She was kept in a locked wooden box that measured
three feet by six feet that was kept Wow, that
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was kept under the couple's bed.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
That's not even like a prison cell. That's horrible.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Like I can't even imagine. I'm five eight, so that
would give I mean, I don't know how tall she was,
but just me, you know, that's only four inches two
inches on either side. If I'm like in the middle,
that's awful.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Three feet by six feet. I know there's another dimension
in there, so I'm guessing it's like three by three
by six.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Uh, there's actually a movie. It'd be interesting if we
watched the movie because it shows her in the box,
you know, but the box in the movie is much bigger.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I'm gonna say it's gonna have to be. There's just
no way you could represent screen.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah. So as time went on and she complied with
every he demanded, she was given more and more freedoms,
and she was let out to go for walks, work
in the yard, and they even used her as like
a babysitter for their kids. She would only be let
out for an hour or so a day. Wow, But
I'd like to know. Yeah, I'd like to note that
(25:18):
during her captivity, Janis had a second child with this guy.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Like, it's mind boggling that that would happen. But I
guess if you were in that situation and you were
kind of brainwashed and abused first, and you're just kind
of it's like a Stockholm syndrome right time kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Who knows.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
But Colleen was forced to help build a bigger compound
to accommodate for more of these captives. According to Colleen,
she was too afraid of this company to try and
get help from any neighbors or authorities. Like she would
be outside doing whatever, and she would never she was
too scared to tell a neighbor like, dude, I'm held
(26:03):
here against my will or whatever. In nineteen eighty one.
So four years after her initial abduction, she was allowed
to go visit her family herself. Like, she was actually
allowed to go visit her family.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I mean, okay, yeah, I'm interested to hear what happens next.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
He went with her too, Okay. So she never revealed
her situation to her family out of fear of the consequences. Again,
she's afraid of this company entity. And her family just
thought that she'd had gotten herself into a cult because
she showed up in like homemade clothes, like she had
no money, She hadn't communicated anything with them, She'd missed
(26:45):
so many holidays and events and things like that, so
they were like, she must be in a cult. They
didn't want to push her away. They didn't want to
say anything because they didn't want her to run and leave,
you know, so they just accepted everything at face value.
She showed up with hooker and he pretended like he
(27:06):
was her boyfriend or fiance or whatever, and so there
they took pictures like happy quote unquote happy family photos
with this person that.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You sent me while you were doing your rehar.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
No, no, no, I think I sent all the photos I
sent to you were like of Colleen of Janice, of
of this Cameron guy and during the trials and stuff
like that too. So I mean, you can take a
look at it later. But Hooker took her back, so
she saw her family, and then he took her back
(27:38):
and locked her up for more years. So in nineteen
eighty three, she's finally allowed to go get a job.
She's allowed to go get a job as a maid
at a hotel that was a couple miles away, like
a local motel, and things were starting to fall apart
between Janis and Hooker. Hooker started looking at Colleen as
like a second wife, and so Jane was like their
(28:01):
relationship between he and Janie were just it's like he's
starting to focus more on her and not you know,
it's weird. The whole situation is weird because if I
were Janis, I'd be like, well, that's great that he's
not focusing on me anymore. But maybe it's like now.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
She she's so brainwashed. He's like, she she's gonna be replaced. Yeah,
like scary gay.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah. So according to Janice, she had been tortured and
brainwashed by him too, but that by August of nineteen
eighty four, she started telling Colleen, like the company doesn't exist,
none of that is real. And so one day Colleen
decides she's gonna leave, and she gets on she goes
(28:48):
to the bus station and she calls Hooker from the
bus station and tells him like she's outy, she's done.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Why why would you say that from the bus station.
She gets to your destination first, if you're gonna call this.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Person, according to her, he starts crying like ball the phone.
And she gets on the bus and goes home, like
to her home, like family home, and she gets home.
In the months following, she doesn't say anything to police,
she doesn't say anything to authorities. She still keeps in
contact with this guy. Wow, she keeps in contact with
(29:20):
this guy. And during her trial she explains she does
it because Janice had requested that Colleen give him a
chance to reform. Oh my god, no, yeah, yeah, She's
been held captive for what like seven years almost or
something like that, and he never obviously never did he
(29:42):
obviously never got better. And he ends up being reported
to the police after three months by Janie herself.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I bet you once Colleen was gone, like everything went
so downhills. She was like, uh uh oh, I'm gonna
need to contact someone now. Yeah, I can't just escape
like this is super dangerous.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
So, according to Janice, Hooker had kidnapped and murdered a
girl named Marie Elizabeth Spinecki and she was nineteen from Chico, California,
and had gone missing January thirty first, nineteen seventy six,
So that's just a year before Colleen had been kidnapped.
Murray had been walking home when Janie and Hooker picked
(30:25):
her up under the false pretense of taking her home.
They'd tortured her for a whole day before he inevitably
strangled her to death. Wow, this guy is just a mess,
Like he's a horrible, horrible person. Janice even gave authorities
the burial location of her body in Last and Volcanic
(30:49):
National Park, but they weren't able to locate any remains.
And by now it's nineteen eighty four, it's eight years
after the fact, So so much could have happened in
a national park open area, like it could have washed
everything away and they're not going to find anything. And
because they couldn't find anything, nothing happened.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
So they couldn't they couldn't pin it on him. I
just wish there was justice for marine. No, there's nothing
they can do, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Uh, but feel like there's got to be something they
can do. At this point. It's such an old cold case.
It's like eighty years old. Yeah, but it's just like
that's so horrific. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So the trial begins in nineteen eighty five, Janice testifies
in exchange for full immunity. A lot of these events
were also told by Colleen herself, and according to her,
she'd been an experienced hitchhiker and so that day when
she was kidnapped, she'd already turned down two rides from
other people, and she believed that this one would be
(31:49):
safe because she saw Janis with the baby, you know.
And it goes to show you that you really can't
trust even your own instincts. When you think you're like,
I know what's safe, you know, I know that I'll
be okay. Everything is potentially dangerous. And when she was
in the bathroom and things felt off, she could have
decided like maybe I should run or maybe I should
(32:10):
just be like, now, guys, this is good, I'm gonna
stay here. You should would have could have you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
What's that? My favorite murders looking like fuck politeness. Yeah,
if you're in the bathroom, you're like this feels odd
and you're worried that you might offend someone by just
like ghosting them. Yeah, just being like hey, guys, like
I'm gonna take it from here, you know. Yeah, it's
like trust trust that instinct. If your instinct is hey,
I feel like I need to keep myself safe in
this moment. Yeah, And I don't know why that's something
(32:38):
you should always fucking trust. Even if it's wrong, you're
still safe.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
So yea that that moment in the bathroom where she's like,
this feels kind of weird, Like she like she was
getting the vibe, she was getting the major red flags
right there, and it's just like, I don't know what
it was that drove her back into that car.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Sometimes it's like I got to get to my friend's birthday,
you know, got to get there somehow. I'm not sure
the world's a scary place. I would not do it.
I've seen some of these bathrooms on road trips we've
gone to and it's just not for me. I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Feel like that's a different issue. But I agree, Yeah,
I don't know like.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
These it's just when you're on road trips that you're
in the middle of nowhere. Half the time there's nothing,
and so the idea of you being in a car
with strangers that are driving through nothingness is horrifying. Horrifying anyway,
she stated that she doesn't know what took her so
long to decide to make these uh to make the escape.
(33:39):
Colleen gave credit to her faith in God and her
belief that she could one day escape that allowed her
to survive her orgule for so long. She said that
she would disassociate and that she would lay there and
in her mind just think she could go anywhere in
her mind just wow, you know, to kind of co
(34:00):
with the things that she's dealing with. And Hooker was
eventually found guilty for sexual assault and kidnapping while using
a knife. He was sentenced to one hundred and four
years in prison, incarcerated at the California Institute four Men
in Chino, California.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
So he's not very far away, it's assuming.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
So it's so crazy because we drive past this like
every other weekend. It is insane, Like we literally drive
past this place.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Is he still alive?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
He is still alive. Actually, he is still alive. He
was denied parole in twenty fifteen, but during twenty twenty,
officials contacted Colleen to let her know that they were
thinking of releasing him on parole. He is classified as
sexually violent though, like a sexually violent predator. So he
was released to the Department of State Hospitals in twenty
twenty one. So he's too dangerous to like let out
(35:00):
a mental hospital, yeah or something. I don't know, state
hospitals at a mental institution maybe sometimes yeah. Yeah. So
Colleen suffered from chronic back and shoulder pain from her
ordeal and had to receive extensive therapy, which I can't
even imagine how you go to Can.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
You imagine being a therapist being like, Okay, I'm gonna
be talking to Adam. He's got some issues from his childhood. Okay,
pretty standard stuff. Me talking to Colleen. She was trapped
in a fucking box for a decade. Oh why can't
I ever get the easy ones?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
It makes me wonder when I talk to my therapist
if she's just coming off of talking to somebody else
that's really traumatize, some crazy real and my trauma is
just like you know my mom my mom did this
to me, you know, and it's like such petty bullshit.
Oh my gosh, that is just to me. I don't
(35:53):
know how therapists do it. It is crazy that they okay,
bad choice of It is just incredible how they're able
to handle that and compartmentalize that right and help people
handle their trauma without in turn becoming traumatize themselves by
that trauma. Yeah, it's just something else. Shout out to
(36:15):
those therapists out there. You guys are doing uh, the
Lord's work, The Lord's work. Okay. So, despite the therapy,
Colleen still struggled to maintain regular relationships. I think she's
been married like four times. It's hard. It's so hard
when you're so traumatized. Like imagine having someone even try
to touch you for the first time and you're just like,
(36:37):
don't fucking touch you.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, please don't touch me, like ever, Yeah type of thing.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah. Both Janice and Colleen changed their names and became
involved in social work and women's refuge, like working with
homes for abused women and things like that. Every year
on August tenth, Colleen and her family have a party
on the beach to celebrate her escape with I think
is really cool that just happens, especially being out that
(37:03):
did just two days ago, which is nice out here
in California. I mean, honestly, though, I've never swam at
a beach in California, so I don't know what the
water's like. I'm from Hawaii. The water is always warm,
it's cold and salty? Is it here?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Have you been in it? I've been in the Pacific
Ocean a lot.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah. Yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Mean sometimes it's nice, but yeah, I shout out to Colleen.
Poor went out for Colleen. I guess not poor one out.
Raise a glass to Colleen.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yes, raise a glass to Colleen. A movie was released
in twenty sixteen, so pretty recent movie.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
What's it called.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
It's called Girl in the Box.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Okay, very on the title.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, it's based on this case. In case you wanted
to watch something on this topic, I would be interested
in watching it. It might be a bit much to watch, yeah,
but you know, sometimes you gotta be curious.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, that's a that's a wild fucking story. So good
job focusing on the survivor of the story. I really
did enjoy that, and I'm happy to hear that that
guy is still in some way, shape or form incarcerate, right,
and he's been in custody essentially for forty plus years.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, so I mean he's he got sentenced to one
hundred and four.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah. The fact that they are still considering parolling him
after forty is like it's a third, guys, like a
third of the years you sentenced him too, Like what
the fuck are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I think sometimes they're like, well, he's almost you know,
he's seventy something. He's almost at the end. Anyway, Actually
that's not how old he is. I don't know how
old he is. That I don't know. But you know,
when when they're older, they're like, what are they going
to do? They're old? But you never know a horrible
thing still. Yeah, yeah, so of the.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Worst people I've ever met, our old people really, because
they're just like they're at their end. They're at the end,
and they're like I don't give a fuck, and they
say and do terrible things. So I'd say keep him
in there, just saying one hundred and twenty or so years,
make him serve every one of them. If he lasts
to one fifty, let his old ass out and roll
him in his wheelchair into fucking traffic, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
So specific.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I mean I didn't say which freeway to put him on.
But still, it's just horrible that you would let a
monster back out just because like, oh, he's an old guy.
I feel bad for him now, Like no, no, no, he
earned this. He earned where he's at. He did a
horrible fucking thing for a very long time and stole
the last two people and murdered one person and got
away with it. So like, no sympathy for me whatsoever.
(39:27):
And I think it's fucking crazy to let him out. Yeah,
but that's just my opinion. Fair but yeah, good topic,
Thank you, well done. I like the Survivor series, which
is the name. I enjoy it a WWF wrestling pay
per view events. Maybe maybe we won't use that, but yeah,
we'll think of something for when we ever come back
to covering a harrowing tale of survival.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Oh my gosh, did I update you at all on
the Shiloh thing? He did not know what was the
last thing you heard? He found it? Tracker in the boot?
Did I tell you that?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I vaguely remember you telling me that as my most
recent update.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So I'm not going to update you guys until to
where it is now because I'm like a little behind.
But he found a tracker in the boot. Okay, Shiloh,
the WW guy.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
This is the tangent. We already finished her first time.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
We already finished my first topic. This is like a
bonus update to something I think I've talked about on
the show before. So Shiloh, he finds the tracker in
the boot. Okay, in one of the boots, he finds
a tracker. He he used to go to Stanford I
think or something like that for computer science. So he
plugs this chip in, does all this stuff, finds a
(40:38):
phone number, texts this fucking phone number through through all
this programming. I don't remember how he did it, but
he texts this phone number, okay, and he gets like
cryptic texts back and it says like don't trust the
shoe man, like all this stuff. And then and then
he gets shipped a pair of boots. He gets shipped
(41:02):
another pair of boots that are wet, that are moist,
that are covered in what looks like blood, with another
VHS tape inside and a cell phone. So he opens
up the cell phone and finds that it's the cell
phone that had.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Texted him that's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
So he like calls the number and it calls that
cell phone that got shipped to him.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Okay, this is all seeming hoax ish, like I do.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
So he had to get authorities involved and he's like,
I can't do the series anymore. I can't update it anymore.
It's just getting scary. He so, Okay, So the website
comes down. The Schumann website comes down, and then it
goes back up and Shiloh is a listing on the website.
Now Shiloh is a listing on the website. There's no
there's no picture of shoes yet, but his name's on
(41:57):
there and the dollar amount, like all the other shoes
are like a couple hundred, you know, his is like thousands,
like seventy five thousand dollars or some insane number like that.
And I was just like what. But it's fascinating. If
you guys haven't seen any of it, it's fun to
watch these videos. I don't know if it's real. I
he's on the team. He's on the Undertaker's team.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Teams is so weird because there's been factions before it's
like he is under that group, and so what are they?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I don't fucking know. All I know is that it
could be the lead up could be the biggest, coolest
lead up to a fight or a match where it's
him against the fucking shoe man. That would be the sickest.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
It's saying, well, the.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Undertaker is dark. Okay, there never no, but the lore
if he's under that like group, it's gonna be dark.
Weird shit.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah. The thing I will say in defense of your
theory is that like the guys in charge of the
WWE NOO who used to be wrestlers, they understand the
power of social media, and they understand the power of
breaking character finally and stepping outside of KFA to do
documentaries talk about their characters, talk about behind the scenes shit,
and they are starting to use that social media presence
(43:25):
and like that, stepping outside of KFA as a work
to get people interested in matches again. So that's what
could be happening here. A work is essentially when you
do something that's supposed to be like real. Yeah, like
all of a sudden it got real, But really you're
just trying to get people like fucking hyped up for
a match, like like someone getting hit with a car
and getting their back broke, like they already had an injury,
they just needed to like take actual time off, and
(43:46):
so they make it look like something horrible happened to
them to like get people angry or whatever. That could
be something like this. But introducing a brand new character
through this, just like elaborate fucking shit involving authorities too,
makes me think that this not be a worker in
any way related to that. But I don't fucking know. Man,
It's it's crazy shit, for.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Sure, It's okay, But if it turns out that it is,
that would be the sickest shit. I would watch that
match just to watch it.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I still enjoy watching wrestling. It's so much fun. I
haven't watched like an act, I haven't followed storyline in
like twenty years, but I've like watched if you I've
watched Andrew wrestle before. That was show favorite Andrew.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Dude, that was such a fun thing to go to.
I've never been to something like that.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Wrestling fucking rules.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah, it was so crazy.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, but good stuff. Keep us posted, keep us up
in all the things that are happening in the worldwide
entertainment of wrestling?
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Is that what WWE stands for?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I think it used to be World Wrestling Federation, out's
World Wrestling Entertainment. I don't fucking know. Again, I haven't
watched since it was the WWF, So.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Don't my My aunt out there is probably just like
this is what it.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Means, and we need to talk to Angel when we
get out there. Yeah, so all right, any great topics
are Robin very much appreciate good work.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Thank you, Thank you. Did you enjoy the little bonus?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Hell yeah I did.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
I wish I had done it at the beginning. Sorry,
everybody who's made it to this point, thank you for
sticking around.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
We've normally based off the challenges we put out there
to put emojis into our Instagram that people actually do
stick around to the very end, which I didn't think
was the thing.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
They're like a wrestling ring emoji.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Do you think probably? I don't know that would be
sick check your phone dog. Yeah. For anyone who has
stories I'd like to share with this, it could be
your insights into what's going on when it comes to
this Shiloh situation takes on the story that Robin covered
today doesn't have to be anything related to those two topics.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
We need some homegrown horrors.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yeah, that's what I'm getting to. Any stories that you
have related to something supernatural, paranormal, extraterrestrial, true crime, coincidental,
send them to us. We want to hear your stories.
If you have stories that you'd like to share that
are a friend or a family member and they've given
you permission to share them, send them to us via email,
email storytime at scarish dot com.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Are you Shiloh reach out to go to.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Our website scarish dot com. You can click on contact
us that comes directly to us, or hit us up
on social media. Facebook is Facebook dot com, slash scarish podcast,
Twitter is at scarish pod, and Instagram is at Scarish Podcast.
I do have a coworker who told me some crazy
fucking stories.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Are you gonna try and get them on?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
And I was like, do you want to write these out?
Or do you want to come on the show? And
he wrote them out and slack, and I was like,
what the fuck? I have so many questions. I was like,
do you want to just come on the show. He's
like sure, oh, hell yeah. Hoping to get him on
the show, so we'll see how that goes. I actually
have two co workers don't want to get on the show,
one of them for paranormal stuff, one of them for
true crime stuff. So we'll see if we can get
(46:42):
some special guests coming for you by the end of
the year. And yeah, we will try and get you
guys another episode. I'm gonna try and do what I can.
But if you don't hear from us in the next
two weeks, just know that I'm in a lot of pain.
I probably have two black eyes and I look like
a fucking I don't know, like I just got the
shit beat out of me well, and I'm recovering.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
I think it'll be funny to post some videos of
you on Patreon.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
I'm definitely gonna post because I'm like kind of nervous
leading up to it, because like surgeries are always kind
of scary, but just be like, hey, guys, like just
so you know, here's what's going on, and then like
I will probably post at least one thing of me
looking super cool, Wadrian felt cute. We'll delete later, so
we'll see how it goes. But thank you everyone for
(47:20):
sticking around. We appreciate you, Robin. If anyone likes to donate,
If anyone would like to donate to us, how can
they do so?
Speaker 1 (47:26):
You can go to patreon dot com slash Scaryish Podcast.
Here's start at a dollar if you join now. I
have this quarter's packages like the summer packages for our
Badge of Water tier and above that I had just
sent out, so I'll whoever signs up, I'll keep sending
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those out. And if if you signed up in the
last week or two, message us so that I can
check because I don't get email updates, So yeah, messages
so I can check and get those out to.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
You, right, yeah, I think just about everything we have
so cool. Thank you all. We appreciate you. Thank you
for the sport. Rob Go ahead and send us out.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Keep on creeping. I won't talk to you later.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Hy Bye
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