Rozalia Russian // The Inimitable Icon On Immigrating, Influencing And Inspiring

If you’ve been on the Internet at all over the past decade or so, you’ve likely been influenced by Rozalia Russian who I feel comfortable calling one of the OG influencers of our time. While many of us embraced the mirror selfie and Valencia filter from the beginning, not all of us transformed into one of the country’s most sought after opinion leaders, brand ambassadors and dare I say “icons” with over a quarter of a million followers hanging onto her every move.

What I love most about Roza, though, isn’t her effortlessly immaculate style or perfect grooming (although I do screenshot her tips on pretty much everything), it’s the lesser known parts of her story that make her perhaps more down to earth than you might first expect... Arriving in Australia with two suitcases and $250, early life in ESL classes, her hilariously refreshing approach to motherhood and the most well adjusted approach to trolling that I’ve heard.

Fun fact? I’ve actually been there for most of this ride, knowing Roza not only since before social media during our clubbing days that were so much fun to relive (and before her surname became Russian which, yes, was a total coincidence) but since our teeny tiny ballerina days at the Australian Ballet School. So, it’s with a weird sense of pride that I’ve watched her flourish but also use her influence for wonderful causes over the years.

This year, Roza is one of the ambassadors for the Witchery White Shirt Campaign supporting ovarian cancer research. One woman dies every 8 hours and less than half of those diagnosed will live beyond 5 years so the work of the OCRF is crucial. Last week, we celebrated the tally for this 17th year of over half a million dollars bringing the total to over $17.6 million to date. We are both wearing the beautiful shirts designed by Viktoria and Woods in this episode and they’re still on sale while stocks last even though the campaign has ended, so get yours below.

In the meantime I hope you enjoy this one as much as I did.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
So then I start up floating those bad mirror selfies
with Valencia.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh, I love Valencia to controls.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Of the least of my worries. My theory silence is violence.
English was my second language. I did EOCEL at school.
You never know what someone's background is, you never know
where they've come from.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to the Sees the Ya Podcast. Busy and happy
are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
one way. So this is a platform to hear and
explore the stories of those who found lives they adore,
the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day

(00:38):
will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm
Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned
unentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co found
matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar. Czya is a series
of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring
the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way.

(01:03):
If you've been on the Internet at all over the
past decade or so you've likely been influenced by Rosalia Russian,
who I feel comfortable calling one of the og influences
of our time. While many of us embrace the mirror
selfie and the Valencia filter from the beginning, not all
of us then transformed into one of the country's most
sought after opinion leaders, brand ambassadors, and dare I say, icons,

(01:26):
with over a quarter of a million followers hanging on
to her every move. What I love most about Rosa, though,
isn't her effortlessly immaculate style or perfect grooming. Although I
do screenshot her tips on pretty much everything. It's the
lesser known parts of her story that make her perhaps
more down to earth than you might first expect, arriving
in Australia with two suitcases and two hundred and fifty dollars,

(01:49):
her early life in ESL classes at school, her hilariously
refreshing approach to motherhood, and the most well adjusted approach
to online trolling that I think I've heard. Fun fact,
I've actually been there for most of this ride, knowing Rosa,
not only since before social media, during our clubbing days
that was so much fun to relive, and before her
surname became Russian, which yes, was a coincidence, but since

(02:12):
our teeny tiny ballerina days at the Australian Ballet School.
So it's with a weird sense of pride that I've
watched her flourish but also use her influence for wonderful
causes over the years. This year, Rosa is one of
the ambassadors for the Witchery White shirt campaign, which you've
likely seen both of us post about, that supports ovarian
cancer research. One woman dies every eight hours of ovarian

(02:35):
cancer in Australia and less than half of those diagnosed
will live beyond five years, so the work of the
OCRF supported by the campaign is crucial. Last week we
celebrated the tally for this seventeenth year of their campaign
of over half a million dollars raised, bringing the total
to over seventeen point six million dollars to date. We're
both wearing the beautiful shirts from this year, designed by

(02:57):
Victoria and Woods in the episode video and they are
still on sale while stocks last, even though the campaign
has officially ended. So I'll pop the links in the
show notes so you can grab yours for an incredible cause.
In the meantime, I hope you enjoyed this one as
much as I did. Rosa Russian, Hi, Hi, welcome to
the show. Thank you for having me. Oh my gosh,

(03:18):
this is so exciting. We have been friends since. I
don't know if a lot of people know this, and
I tried to find a photo, but since we were
in primary school, I want to say, really, yes, primary school?
Well did you start the ABS in primary school? I
think it was primary school maybe, or maybe I was
high school.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I don't know, or I always say, if you want
to tell me a secret memory is like a sieve.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
It goes in one ear and out the other. I'm
it's I think it was because I left. So for
context everyone, we were at the Australian Ballet together when
we were very, very tiny, and that was the first
first chapter of knowing Rosa. So it's been a privilege
to have followed. And as you guys know, I get

(04:04):
really excited to tell people stories when I've been there
for quite a few chapters. And I'll always remember you
and Lauradona had the most immaculate hair, and I kind
of then I always wanted to do my bum the
same way that you did with the middle part and
the slick back, like the original slick back. I insist
you have been not just the OG influencer since the Internet,

(04:25):
but since like nineteen ninety five or whenever that was.
I was the original. Literally, I'm still going nothing change,
nothing change. I remember, I think, because I was maybe
eight when I started, and I was only there for
five years, five years thirteen. I quit thirteen or fourteen,

(04:46):
So it must have been primary school. Must have been.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
I finished up in year ten, Yeah, that's when I left.
So year eleven I went and I went back to
a normal.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
School, finished school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. So we've known
each other since primary school and our first versions of
ourselves were as many ballerinas and taking it very seriously.
The Australian Ballet School is an amazing place if you want,
you know, your career to go in that direction. And
I love to start at what your younger selfs, hopes

(05:17):
and dreams were because I think it's really interesting to
look back now and think, yeah, what you thought you'd
be and how different that is. So did you think
that you would do that as a career. Is that
where you wanted to be when you were little?

Speaker 1 (05:27):
No, I actually knew, I didn't really, you know, I know,
I know all the way along bombshell. Yes, oh my god,
Miss Roles would be horrified.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I know.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
No, Like I will say, before going to the Australian
Ballet School, and even whilst I was there, like I
will say, like I did love ballet and I enjoyed it,
but for me it.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Was never my career.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
And my mum was a gymnast back in Russia and
she all always wanted to do ballet. So she always
said to her mum, if I ever had a daughter,
she's going to do ballet. So I feel like many
strong European mothers, strong wild Yes, yeah, she put all
her hopes of being a professional baller reader onto me

(06:19):
and very early on, as I said, I loved it
and when it was you know, it was fun, it
wasn't serious. And then once I got into the Australian
Ballet School, I again like I enjoyed it, but I
didn't audition to get in either.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I read that And if you were the first student
ever who was scouted without an audition, which guys, if
you don't understand this, think about Australian idol and like
the cues to audition, like that's the Australian Ballet School
in the nineties, and you just got scouted.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
I got scouted. I was there on a summer program,
just having, you know, just.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
A fun time, a fun time.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
My mom had to work, so she's like and just
drop you off exactly.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
So I was just doing like a summer program.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
And after a couple of days I approached my mum
and they said, would like to offer her a spot
at the school.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
She's iconic since the beginning.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I kind of you, but no, so straight away, like
I didn't really know the impact. And I went along
with it and I loved it, like I genuinely loved it.
But then I don't know if you remember, there was
a moment as we're approaching graduating, and I remember they
sat down and they said to us, okay, so what's
going to happen is you're going to audition for different companies,

(07:31):
so you know, the Australian Ballet, the New Zealand Company,
Sydney Dance and they'll take one female and one male.
And I remember thinking like, oh, looking around the room
like this, like I don't know, twenty of us, thirty
of us, and right, so what happens to the rest
of us, Oh well, you know nothing. You might go
work at a cruise ship. You might do this, you

(07:51):
might And I was just like it was like that
petty drop and I'm like, oh my gosh, Like this
isn't something that I was like, wow, giving my all
and I really wanted to do. Yeah, I was very
fortunate that was just naturally flexible. I naturally had all
the right proportions and the turnout. So it was just
something that came easy to me. But it's something that
I learned very early on that talent will only get

(08:13):
you so far. If you don't push and you don't
drive yourself. That girl that's working harder than you, she's
going to get the spot, not you. You can't just
rely on talent. And it was at that moment that
I'm like, I don't have the.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Drive to do this. Wow. So yeah, I said to
my mom's side, broke her heart. I was going to say,
how did she take it? She still still brings up
to this day. It's still a so spot. Don't mention it.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh my god, No, it made Willow do ballet and
I was like, oh my god, yeah, it wasn't you.
I see where they came from I remember your mom
actually less. Yeah, anyway, that was my ballet career.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Oh my gosh. And that's so interesting because it is
the opposite of I think a lot of us back then,
like I thought, I was like a little eight year
old taking my life very seriously. I was like, I
have career opirations at eight years old, this is my future.
And I probably didn't have as much natural talent, but
was the girl that just worked so relentlessly on pilates

(09:11):
and had my archers bending under pianos to kind of
will my body to do the things that it wasn't
maybe naturally born for. And I look back and think
I wasn't going to have that penny drop moment myself.
And it was probably the reverse where my mom could
see that at some point, it is going to funnel
down to one place, you know, in all the ballet
schools in the world, and even if you get there

(09:32):
and you're injured, it's such a short lived career and
you might not have something to fall back on. So
she engineered that pennydrop moment for me and was like,
you're going to have to go back to normal school
and if you still love it afterwards, then you can
go back. And of course by then I'd met boys
and parties and doing fun things on the weekend, and
I was like, I don't want to go back to ballet.
But it's interesting that you didn't think that that was

(09:55):
your future. So what did you think you'd be.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I wanted to be a forensic psychiatrist stop, or a
forensic investigator. I was obsessed with the show CSI as
a kid.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
As a kid, I was obsessed. That's why I like
to note it books now. I love Modo Boox.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
But also I'm like, give me a name, give me
ten minutes, Ye'll find.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
You anything, anything and everything about them. I'm the same.
I'm the same. That is amazing. That's a life skill.
It is a life skill. In another world, you could
have gone into that. So then, okay, so you've had
your pivotal moment alongside did you have part time jobs?
Were you thinking about what you had to study to
become a forensic psychologist? Like what was in your brain

(10:38):
around that sort of fifteen year ten? It's quite a
pivotal time in your life. It is.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
So year ten, I was still at the Australian Ballet
and I did schooling at the Victorian College of the Arts,
and it was very the bare minimum.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Of schooling, so for two hours a day, two hours
a day, so it was nothing.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
So by the time I got to year eleven and twelve,
it was like a rude shock and a rude awakening.
And naturally I'm not very BookSmart. I disagree, but yes,
you know, like some people who are just like so booksmarts,
so academic, that is not me at all. As I
said to you, my memory is like a ciev it
goes I read one paragraph and it goes out. You

(11:14):
can read books over and over again. So clear south
you from Money said, but I didn't really know what
I wanted to do. I was always very creative, and
I'd also still liked the idea of some sort of
like a business or corporate company, and that's where I

(11:35):
kind of landed on like marketing and advertising, and I thought, okay,
this is cool. I'm creative. I get to think about,
you know, different things and come up with different ideas
and concepts. So that's kind of where my mind went.
I feel like, coming from immigrants like parents when we
land in Australia, they were obviously just you know, trying

(11:58):
to survive. So they didn't necessarily they didn't understand how
schooling worked here, how universities and maybe different career paths
as well. Like it's such a different world where I'm from.
So I think that it was maybe hard as well
for my parents to guide my brother and I just
because they didn't understand the culture. They didn't understand the

(12:22):
options that we have here. So yeah, in terms of
my first.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Job, I was Coles check Out. Really I love that.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah. Yeah, So when I was fifteen or nine months,
I worked at Coles. Then I went on and worked
at Diva Stop.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I loved Diva. Diva's like the old Labisa. It is, yeah, guys,
the original. We're doing so so we have recording at
producing and Josh in the corner who's listening, is twenty
three and is about to get like a full blown
education on the era immediately before him. So much to learn,
Josh Clubs. We're just translating everything. Yeah, yeah, a lot

(13:03):
to learn, a lot to learn. And so then I
was studying like advertising.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
And marketing, and again I was just like just not
really passionate about it. I was just doing the bare minimum.
And again I had no idea what I want to do,
no idea, and this is all before social media. So
I was working at Diva, that I was working at
a clothing store.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Then I just started going out.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
And having a great time at nineteen, and then that's
when I met my husband Nick, when I was working
at retail.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yes, oh my gosh. I mean you've touched on so
many things there that I think people listening might not
know or maybe know. But I think it's so easy
to walk into someone's life like your own, and right
now it's you're so good at what you do, and
you're so clear on what influence you have and how
to use it beautifully, and you've got beautiful children. But
it's easy to forget that you spend a long time

(13:56):
not knowing what you wanted to do. And also the
thing that people say about pathways is you don't know
where you'll end up, but particularly because the job you're
in now might not have existed then, and it didn't
like you're in a job that didn't exist at that time.
And so if anyone is earlier in their journey listening
has no idea what they want to do, don't worry.
It's normal. We all started there. I still don't know

(14:18):
what I want to tell. Yeah, and it's so normal.
And again, like even in ten years you might be
doing something that doesn't exist now. So I think you're
such a good example of that. But also there are
so many Australians who are immigrants or who've come from
immigrant families, and there are different pressures and different circumstances
that help shape who you want to be and what
you can do. And so did you find the expectations

(14:41):
of your parents or of wanting to make the most
of your place here really hard? Did that add an
extra pressure to go down certain pathways or to be
more academic, or to you know, not quit ballet, Like
was that a factor in your mind about what your
future would look like? Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
I you know, absolutely applaud my p and especially my
mum and have so much respect for what she did
and how they came to the country with two suitcases,
two hundred and fifty dollars and absolutely like nowhere to live,
no idea what to do. And she is very academic,
so she went to university and she at nighttime would

(15:18):
translate things from English and too Russian. So she's got
multiple degrees and she's yeah, she's so smart.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
So and there's me.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
But I feel though, because that's the way that she was,
I feel that she expected the same from me, and
it's something that I'm so mindful with my kids. So
when it came to like year eleven and twelve, she
put me.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Into like maths and sciences.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Maths, yeah, science, what's that chemistry like? And all these subjects,
I was like, what am I doing? This is not
my jam, but I was I couldn't say anything. I
was too scared to say thing because that real Europe
and pressure of performing well. So I would love to
have done visual arts and you know, more of those

(16:08):
kind of subjects. So I failed my vacea. I got
the worst ender school. And it's because, like I feel
not to blame anyone, that maybe I wasn't guided into
the right past and the right subjects for me. And
that's why I said, that's something I'm so mindful of
my kids. It's like, you know, you tap into their
talent and what is it.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
They're good at.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
There definitely was a lot of pressure, but as I said,
you know, times are so different back then and people
don't realize as well. English was my second language. I
did a cell at school, so that blows my mind.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, people like when like the people type.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
On my my comments, Oh your Gramdmar's a awful yes,
yeah so yeah, as I think, as you said, you
never know what someone's background is, you never know where
they've come from. And that's why I'm so I have
such an open mind to like my kids or anyone

(17:04):
in their career paths, what they choose to do, and
just everyone's story.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Like you just don't know what people are going through.
And I love the platform that this show allows me
to have where I get to focus and spend like
quite a lot of time on the part of your
life that isn't the part most people ask about. They
you know, naturally, so many people want to know about
what you do now. But I find this part fascinating.
I want to remind everyone, like Rosa didn't speak English first,

(17:30):
Like it makes it so much more impressive everything that
you've been able to achieve because your parents did land
here with nothing, and it's so easy for people to
look at you now and think she gets so much privilege,
and you know, things came easy, and it's like nothing
came easy. You have no idea now hard she has
worked together.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
There No nothing's come easy. And that's why I just
hate that whole online narrative of you know, oh well
what would you know? Or you're so privileged as he says,
it's like, yeah, well, I am in a very lucky,
fortunate position now, but I wasn't. I didn't start, but
I didn't start like this. And that's why I never
judge people. I always am open minded because you never

(18:10):
know what someone's background story is and the struggles that
they have had to take to get themselves to this position.
We always see everyone's best moments in the highlight.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Well, speaking of, there are some best moments and highlights
that you don't see as much of because when we
were having them in this glory chapter about to embark
upon and teach Josh all about, there wasn't really social
media in the era that you've just kind of caught
us up to. Around nineteen. We both met our respective
Nicks around the same age for us on dance laws

(18:42):
and your nick had Eve nightclub and my nick had
broke and they were kind of like rivals, but they
had different nights, so they'd kind of come to each
other's Friday and Saturday and for anyone listening. They were
the nightclubs to be at. And the photographer there'd be
one nominated photographer who would come and they'd take your
photo and they were the only photos. That's the only

(19:04):
content you would get from that night, and it was amazing.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Tell us about that era again, as said, my head's
full of secrets and I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
I don't remember that era. I think something controversial happened.
I don't remember the who.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
No, I mean those times were wild, the best, the best, best.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
The best.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, So as you said, I meant I met Nick
when I was nineteen. He was twenty eight, and he
owned this club in South Melbourne called Eve where they
were just like lines out the door every single night
and it was like the who's who, Like I'm talking
about every single AFL player was there.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Then we're talking about like Jason Giulo, Yes, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah a rule I forgot about that, Britney Spears like
it was Carnie West, like you name it. It was
the moment they were there. Yeah. And the best thing
about those days where there was no social media, as
you said, so everyone was just there having the best time.
There were no photos being taken as you said, unless
it was the club photographer Anthony lookuria.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Shout out, and he would like, get our good site.
Just let us have a few and take it again,
take it again, always great flash, great complexions, looks amazing
yeap gausch and blur edit on the face yep. And
then you would have to wait the whole week until
Facebook uploaded those images.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Being the girlfriend of the owner, I managed to get
photos in advance.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Oh my gosh. And did you get to take it?
Did you take out the bad ones that you hated? No?
I was nineteen. There was no bad photo. True, that's true.
That's true. Oh my god, how iconic? There were none?
There were no We're just all beautiful. But it's one.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Look at girls now, Yeah, you're nineteen, You're like gorgeous.
How can you take a bad photo? You're happy, carefree,
you're sleeping at night, you're sleeping through the night.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh my god. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
But we'd know where to post the photos. Oh, Facebook,
we'd post the photos on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yah. Albums, yeah, the whole albums per night. It was
just such a to that multicolor dance floor, like some god,
some stuff went down. They were they were great times.
But I was telling Josh that to kind of describe
how the world of influencing began. I truly like it's
I laugh about it, but I truly think you were
the og influencer because even before there was anywhere to

(21:29):
put this information, Facebook existed, but you weren't really friends
with people you didn't know yet, but everyone knew who
you were. And of course because Nick was the owner
and you were his partner, everyone would see you every
Saturday and they'd see what you'd wear, and you had
this this ability to influence. Like immediately people would ask
you in real life, like imagine it's like leaving a comment,

(21:50):
but like in your face. They'd be like, where did
you get this dress? And or where did you get
that whatever? Or where do you get your fake tann
or whatever. You know, although we were real tanned back
then because we had time to outside, you know, that's
where it began. Like everyone wanted to know everything that
you were doing. But it happened in real life. And
so it's so crazy to me thinking about having watched
you have the same influence you have now, but just

(22:12):
in different forums kind of through the ages. So it
started back then, and I've heard you describe it as
that you fell into what you do now, But can
you actually describe to us how it went from influencing
people on dance laws on the weekend and then seeing
them turn up the next week in the exact same
thing to what you do now? Like what was that

(22:32):
that kind of bridging?

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Like, well, I think naturally, as you mentioned, people were
just curious because I was, you know, his girlfriend, and
all the different events that are happening now like a
David Jones Runway show or the Levatzavarqui we were going
to back then because we were invited you know, via
Nick and Nix was like he had this incredible network
of people, so we were already in that scene. I

(22:55):
was working a corporate jobs, so for me, I was
like Monday to Friday in the office and then on
the weekend. But obviously just you know, the time of
our lives, have.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
A great time.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
But there was no again, there was no social what
I said, there was Facebook back then, there was no
Instagram and then it wasn't until just before we were
getting married. Nick was going to Vegas for his Bucks party.
I still remember, and he was showing me this like
app He's like, oh, there's this new thing called Instagram,
and I'm okay, so I like downloaded it and then

(23:29):
so I started uploading photos of my girlfriends and I
whilst when we're out, and that's when the comments started like.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh, where's your skirt from?

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, where's your you know, and so I'm like, oh, okay.
So then I started bloating those bad mirror selfies with
Valencia Vali and it was like, here's my age sequin miniskirt.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
With my furtherest and MYVA.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Earrings and my Steve Madam boots, like the ankle boots.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Do you remember not an ankle boots? Yeah? What a time.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, So then uploaded photos and but then people like,
but okay, we know the outfit, but what about you blush?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
What blush color you're wearing?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
So then I'm like, oh, there was no selfies, so
it was selfies.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
There were mirror.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Selfies, miror selfie, but not like you know, like face selfies.
So then I naturally started uploading that. And then that's
when all of a sudden, brands would reach out to
Nick and say, hey, does Rosen want a dress? And
we'll send her something, and it's kind of like it
started like that, and Nick again turned to me very
business and he's like, I reckon, you can start making

(24:36):
money off this. So that's when we started off. Kind
of remember what it was like one hundred dollars for like.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
A post or something. Wow wow yeah, but it was like,
you know, good money back then though, great money.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, So it just naturally. And then we got married
and I remember all these different people wanting to following me,
and someone had been tagging photos of me, of my
wedding dress and uploading photos on their profile and as.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
In like, oh my god, this is amazing.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yes, and so people started wanting to follow me. I'm like,
these randoms, how weird? So I declined them all and
went on to Prime and decline.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Your you were not to prive this is random?

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah yeah yeah, but I still find it weird, you know,
like when I sit there like looking at the videos
and wait, so I'm talking. Who am I talking to
about what I'm wearing?

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Like why do they care?

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I still find it really bizarre when you sit there
and break it down. It is a very weird concept.
But that's how it started.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Oh my gosh, And it's funny. I look back now
and think about those wild clubbing days were. At the time,
I'm sure our parents were like seriously concerned about us
being out four nights a week for my whole union degree.
But now I think about it, I'm like, actually there
was some business around it. Like there's firstly, a lot
of the networks I have today even knowing you, and

(26:07):
a lot of almost in fact, almost everyone at a
lot of the events that I still see through our
businesses now I met back then, and those relationships all
came from being out and about and meeting people in
person and developing relationships. But also like we got paid
to be there, like we were promoters. And I was
trying to explain to Josh the concept of turning up
picking up your little envelope with cash. Money used to

(26:29):
be cash, so cash in an envelope and little drink cards,
and I'm like that was kind of entrepreneurial, Like I
made money to go where I wanted to go anyway,
and then I didn't have to pay for drinks, and
then I saved that money to go traveling, and like,
that's entrepreneurial from the very beginning. So there were real
plus sides to that time. And I'm sad that the
current generation won't get that.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
I know, I hear that they go to Yochi for dates.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
So sad. Why why, like you know, like so many
years of that time, Well, you're missing out. I'm all for.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
I'm like, go out, get drunk, get it out of
your sister days to have.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
A good time.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Have you seen that meme going around of like, you know,
girls in their twenties talking about their you know, their
diet and their health routine and their exercise routine and
they're like gorgeous and everything.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
It's like, mate, when I was your AJ McDonald's.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Every every single Saturday, barely relect got drunk every single
day of the week very much.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I probably shouldn't have been encouraging that.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Like I partied, I lived, I still looked amazing. It's
because you're is it because you're twenty. Come back to
me when you're like late thirties, forties and then tell
me you know your diet and your exercise routine. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I do feel like they skip a chapter, like they're
all immaculately made up and so aware of yeah, of
what they look like. And there's content and there's so
much focus on content when you go out and I'm like,
just didn't I love the liberty of not Yeah, I
just enjoying it and looking fairal and being so sweaty
on the dance floor that your hair has ruined. But
Anthony already took your photos, so like, it doesn't matter

(28:07):
what you look like by the night, who care?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
And if you don't like the photo, you untag yourself.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
And no one can see see it all over. Yeah,
Millennials listening to this, this would be a dream like
the throwback to the glory days. Oh my goodness. But now,
I mean, it did start in such a random, haphazard way,
but you were on the platform so early, and then
it's continued to be your career since then in such
an incredible way. And being so early, I think you

(28:35):
have kind of seen every part of it. You've seen
the amazing way that it can make a livelihood and
support a lifestyle and open up incredible opportunities. And then
there are also parts that I'm sure you cringe about,
and parts that a struggle. Like every job has downsides
as well. So can you take us through maybe some
of the most surreal, cool places or people you've met,
or things you've ended up doing that you never expected,

(28:57):
some of the cringiest things you look back on from
your early content, and then some of the downsides that
you have struggled with or still do.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
So what are the highlights, I'd say a couple of
years ago. So I have been working as an ambassador
with Bull Green Jewelry for a few years now, and
a couple of years ago they flew me to Tokyo
to launch their new Bullgrey hotel.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
There.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
That's right. I remember that and it was unbelievable. Like
anytime I think that I'm like stuck in a rut
or you know, you just you think about going overseas
and you think about those moments and you're like, oh
my god, the world is so big. I know that
sounds so cliche that you're like, oh my god, the
world is so big. There's actually so many opportunities. There

(29:42):
are so many amazing, interesting people that I haven't met.
Like Anne Hathaway was there?

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, people found girl? You do you found girl? People? Yeah? Yes,
you record? That makes sense? Yes? Yeah, yeah, what did
you do? I just walked past her. I couldn't speak
to it. I was just like I just kept it
walking past. I've been trying to get a photo with
her in the background. Like any normal person. I love that.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Because I was like I was, I was up there
with so many influential people. I couldn't be that little
Australian who was like fangirling and being like, oh.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
My god, would have done it. Baby, got one chance
in life to get your photo with Anne Hathaway.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
She was beautiful, like wow, like in terms of like
seeing someone in person, she was just like porcelain skin.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Think about you just saying no, you know, like that
star factor she just had. You could she has it.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
She had that presence. So that was amazing being given
that opportunity. The most cringiest moment is just any outfit
from like five years ago back hot love it.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
That's probably like I look back at my outfits and
my hair, I'm like, oh my god, crim I love them.
I can think of some like even of my outfits
of yours and mine like that where we were all
in the same category in particular eras and I'm like, wow,
like the green with envy where we'd all get like
the same dress or like the same kind of like

(31:10):
gasp type dresses and think they were the ship that
top with like skinny leather leggings and like a platform
with like a peep toe, like a peepte.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
So many bads, so many but we're we're just like,
oh my gosh, we're so hot.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
And also they're like walking to the front of the
line when you knew obviously you got to do that
because of Nick. But I'm like, we weren't married to Nick,
and we would just like.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Past everyone and be like, oh, I got Does everyone
hate us because we did that?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah? I should hate you. What about the downsides? Have
you had? Trolls, like, how do you cope with the
level of You've had public scrutiny on your life since
before most of us have been introduced to that world,
And you do have to have a really thick skin.
And I think you always seem to have such a
good head on your shoulders about it and are so
down to earth, which people I think would be surprised

(32:07):
by because you get to do such incredible opportunities, but
always so events. You're always so normal, and I think
it's just one of the most endearing things about you.
But how do you keep a good head on your
shoulders with all that stuff?

Speaker 1 (32:17):
I think two honest trolls are the least of my worries. Yeah,
like you're sitting in there criticizing me. I'm criticizing myself
because my next job depends on how good my previous
job was.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
So that's what people.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Don't realize about social media, Like trolls don't really get
to me, and I'm quite fortunate, Like I don't really
get trolls because I don't really voice my public opinion.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
It too often or.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Too much, because it's just it's honestly, it's not worth
it for me. I'm here to do a job, and
that's how as well. I think I keep things very
neutral and I don't get affected because social media is
a job for me and I still share like my kids,
my day life things, and I do enjoy doing that.

(33:02):
But for the trolls, I'm like, what are you trolling me?
Like you don't let my outfit no worries.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
You like you don't have to wear it. You don't
have to wear it. I probably won't like it by
next week either. I didn't like it at the time.
It was my best work.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
No, So trolls honestly don't really get to me, and
I think though that's also it's taken me a good
ten years to get to this stage. Had you have
asked me this question five years ago, completely different story.
I was that person who I'd write back and your
response was never good enough, and then they would keep
on going and they keep fighting. Now the power of ignore. Okay,

(33:38):
that's fine, that's your opinion, no problem, just move on
the power. My theory is silence is violence. Yeah, yeah,
I love that. Yeah, and I just I'm like, okay,
no problem. Like I had one person message me about
something and they're like, oh my god, the way you.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Talk is so slow and so boring.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
And I'm like, no problem, thanks for following me, you know,
best of luck.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Just act of luck. It's like so passive, aggressive lot it.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
She was like, oh, no, sorry, I didn't mean to
offend you. I'm like, trust me, you haven't offended me.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
That's even more of a flex, Like babe, I'm fine,
I'm fine.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
And she's like, no, I'm just saying to you, I'm
just going to skip your stories. I'm like, no problem.
If you want to follow me, that's completely fine as well.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I have to announce it.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
You need to know no as I'm saying, like it
just honestly hand in my heart does not affect me
if you don't like my collection, Okay, well that's a
bit of a problem. Yeah. Kids, Again, my job is
to create you know, a certain amount of obviously, you know,
like sales, and but.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Also it's like, babe, it's sold out. You can't get anyway.
So I don't care what you think. Yeah, it's on
out multiple times. Yeah, what do you think about that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
But I think though, if if I could give advice
to young girls or guys who were starting out social
media or even like you know, they're five years into
it and are still getting effected by those comments, I
think you need to distinguish between work and what's real.
And for me, I'm like, if the people whose opinion
I care about, if they're upset with me, then I

(35:10):
can't sleep at night. It eats away of me. If
I don't know you, your opinion of me does not
affect me. But that's your opinion though as well. And
you're more than entitled to your opinion and I won't
hold that against you either. Yeah. So I think you
just need to try and create that balance, and that's
the best way to be able to switch off as well.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
That is so powerful and so reasoned in a time
where it is easy to spiral and to lose perspective.
I think because it is a blurry line between that's
me that you're attacking and it's my value versus it's
the perception of me and my career. And I think
I'm quite similar to you in that I do make

(35:49):
quite a conscious choice, and sometimes I wish it was different,
But I do make a choice to not voice really
controversial opinions even when I think I would like to
use my platform that way, because it is worth it
to me and I love being vanilla. I want people
to come to my page and be I could have
a lot more followers and engaging and if I wasn't,
but I want people to come to my page and

(36:09):
not have their heart rate really change. I don't want
them to feel stressed. I want it to be a safe,
happy place where they find some stuff they're interested in,
but they don't have a breakdown or no one feels
you know, I just and I don't want to have
a breakdown either, which means I'm the same. I haven't
had many trolls, and I can enjoy it for the
lovely place that can be.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
But that's the thing, Like the world could be so
dark and so heavy that you don't need to add
to it. I like to escape from certain things as well,
and so you know, I go on TikTok and my
algorithm is most random things like cats, like attacking, like dogs.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Like puppies. It's so cute, like it's happy. Yeah, I
don't need, yeah, mindless.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Sometimes I don't need everything to be so heavy around
me all the time.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, yeah, I love that. Do you ever get and
this is just a question that's quite timely for me?
And I think you're probably one of my role models
in this area. Is even if it's not other people's
opinions that you're worried about. I do get sort of
caught up sometimes in the relevance race, like I really
want to take time away to be with Teddy and

(37:13):
to be a bit offline, but it is my job.
So I also want to be there creating content and
I love doing it. But then I'm like, if I'm
not honored enough, am I going to fall out of relevance.
There's a whole new young generation coming up, Like how
do you find that balance between I need to be there,
but I also don't want to be there all the time,
but yeah, how do I keep interesting if I'm not
going to voice public opinions and stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Look, I do think it's hard topic to discuss. And
for me, for example, the downside of social media for
me is that you see the jobs that say like
that you went for and didn't get and see someone
else you see who got that's true, or you see
other people working you're like, oh, I didn't get that job,

(37:54):
but I wasn't invited for that. So it's like that
constant slap in the face, that real highlight of you know,
maybe no, you weren't good enough for that job, you
didn't get it. So it can be very hard. And
this is why you do need to distinguish between well,
that's not me personally, that's they didn't you think that
I was the best alignment for that brand, for whatever

(38:15):
it is. And it's really hard. So when I feel
like that, I actually step back, and I did so recently,
Like so the past six months, like I haven't really
been working that much as I've been focusing on my
health and taking a step back, and whilst I was
still checking social media my head, I just couldn't get
any clarity on what I wanted to do my next step.

(38:36):
So I actually took some time away. I didn't check
my social media for a week.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
It's not well, but no, it's funny that it sounds silly,
but that's a long time in our world. Yep, yeah,
came back and I'm like, right, I'm back. I'm back.
I know what i want to do, I know what
my next movie is. I'm back.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
I have motivation. I'm ready, I'm ready to work. I'm
ready to go. And it's hard because, like any job,
you need to have holidays.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
So think about.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Any corporate job or you're a school teacher. You have
you don't work on the weekends, but you also have
a couple of weeks off here and there. And it's
the same thing with social media. You need to have
a couple of weeks off.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
One hundred percent. And I think it's hard because no
one's going to force that holiday on you. Like you.
It's structured in a teaching job, but social media doesn't close,
so you have to pick it yourself. But I think
one of the really beautiful and positive things about it
is that when you do want to use your influence
in a positive way, you also do that for things
that you're really passionate about. And one of the campaigns

(39:39):
you've been part of and that we both I think
have been part of for a couple of years is
the Witchery and OCRF white shirt campaign and we're both
wearing the white shirts from this year. Every year they
do an incredible I think it's the age seventeenth or
eighteenth year of making this incredible seventeen years of making
these incredible bullhirts. They're different every year, and all of

(40:02):
the funds go towards the ocire of incredible research around
ovarian cancer. So how do you choose when you're going
to be part of a campaign like this and why
is it important to you? I know your health has
been something that has been playing up over the past
year and probably brings it more to the forefront of
your mind. Well, I think.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
If we don't have our health, we don't have anything.
You could have absolutely, you know, all the different handbags
you want in the world, or you got your dream job,
you could have, you know, the most amazing house. But
at the end of the day, if you don't have
your health, you don't have anything. And having a daughter
as well, it was so important for me to be
part of this campaign because it's so scary to think

(40:45):
that there is no early detection test and less than
half of the women who were diagnosed with ovarian cancer
will survive the next five years. So the statistics are
very confronting, and having a daughter, I think it's something
that I know you want to create a better world,

(41:06):
a better future for them. The Witchery White Shirt campaign,
as you mention, has been going on for seventeen years.
They've raised seventeen million dollars and extraordinary research is really
progressing really fast. And when I attended the event in
Sydney for the launch of the campaign, they had some

(41:26):
amazing women speak and one of the women who was speaking,
she was diagnosed when she was like young, like a
little girl, and it's something that I've never even heard about,
Like I didn't that was possible, yeah until just now,
until now, And she said in a way she was
grateful that she was so young that she didn't realize

(41:50):
what was going on the impact, So that was an
unbelievable story. Then on the same stage, we had a
mum who had two small kids same age as me,
nine and eleven, and she had Christmas news, Eve was
going out for a run and then all of a sudden,
just one day, just didn't feel right. You know. She
went to the doctor and they were like, you know,

(42:12):
it's the festive season, and she's like, no, just something
just didn't feel right. Her own intuition, she was just like,
something just doesn't feel right. And she had over ering cancer.
And the treatment that the young woman was having when
she was a little girl is pretty much the same
treatment options that we have now. So it's scary to

(42:33):
think that in all those years, how little we have progressed.
And I think it's absolutely amazing that Witchery have this
initiative and really pushing for some sort of detection test
that we can at least have a chance to catch

(42:54):
it early before it's too late.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, it definitely seems like one of those areas of
her where you lose so much time by not even
knowing that it's there, And there's if you don't have
any education around symptoms of what to look for, or
I think sometimes there aren't symptoms that present, and so
why would you go and get an early detection test
unless you knew that it existed and it was possible,

(43:16):
like it's so hard when you're up against a situation
where you can't refer people to a test because it
doesn't exist. So the research is so incredibly impactful, and
I mean, seventeen million dollars goes so far in an
area where otherwise I think without this campaign, there are
so many women over the last seventeen years who wouldn't
have heard of ovarian cancer or know anything about the statistics.
So it is incredible that people like yourself are lending

(43:39):
their platform to talking about it and being yeah, so
generous with your platforms to make sure that people know
and can donate. So what are some of the ways
that everyone can be part of it? Obviously the shirts
one of the biggest ways.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
YEAP so this year the shirt was designed with Victorian Woods.
Mayu was the founder. Is an credible person and role
model as well. I've been fortunate to be friends with
her for quite quite a few years and her own
mother is going through ovarian cancer.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
At the moment.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
I know that, yeah, so it's something that's very close
to her heart at the moment. So she has designed
this beautiful shirt and it can be worn multiple ways,
and the shirt you can be purchased instore online, with
one hundred percent of the proceeds going to research in
finding an early detection test because, as I mentioned prior,

(44:30):
the fact that less than half the women diagnose will
survive the next five years, that's an absolutely shocking statistic
and just something that you know, we need to try
and find a cure or a solution for.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah. Absolutely well, I'll make sure to include the links.
You can buy them online as well, guys, So I'll
include the direct links and also links to more information
about what the OCRF does in the show notes. And
so grateful for the incredible work that Witchery, the OCRF,
the tron Woods and Rosa and the ambassadors are doing
this year. I have so many questions to ask you,

(45:06):
and we have so limited time. I feel like there's
a million places that we could go, and particularly with motherhood,
because I've followed you so closely and you were I
always say I'm so grateful that I wasn't the first
in my group because I feel like I could see
a realistic view of everything that I could expect. I
had no surprises, really like obviously your surprise when it happens,
but I kind of had a good, realistic introduction. But

(45:27):
you had kids so young, and you just seem to
juggle it so well, so I couldn't not ask. Do
you always seem so immaculate? And I think that's one
thing that we all love you so much for, is
you're so put together, but so effortlessly. But do you
ever have a feral grocery run moment? Or I know
you have struggled over the last year, you had shingles

(45:48):
recently and have been unwell, you just still seem to
always look incredible. Do you ever just look like a
total bum? Absolutely? When this morning, when gal this morning
on my coffee run, do you know what I wore?
Tell me please? I had my pajama top on? Is
it on your LTK? No, had my pajama top on?

(46:09):
I put a I just put a hoodie over the.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Top of my pajamas.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Hot and but I was cute though you still look cute?
How it hadn't washed my face? Nice, didn't even brush
my teeth?

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Stop it.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yes, I don't believe you would leave the house of
that running. And I walked down the street to my
coffee shop. I was desperate for a coffee. You did
not know.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I actually can't be if I said that aloud. But no,
I was Feryl so glad.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
That makes us all feel so much better. I just
don't believe it. I just don't believe it.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
No, Honestly, the majority of time I'm in my gym clothes.
And every single year, my news resolution is to get
dressed every.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Day, to get or shower every day.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Again, See, you're like you, but you did think I've
been talking about how disgusting.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I know. I want you to talk about it. That's
my favorite part.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
No, because you're so busy, Like as a mum, you'll
realize that when your kids are older, when you wake up.
So I'll wake up at six six thirty in the
morning and I just throw on some active were because
it is you know, if I haven't made the lunchboxes,
the lunchboxes the next day, do you.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Have to make lunchbox of course, of course, forget about
when they get older. And then the breakfast.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah, it's the breakfast, it's emptying the dishwasher, it's feeding
my zoo of animals, zoo animals, zoo animals, like there's
always so then I'll like quickly run to the gym,
or I'll like to take my dog for a walk
and then I'll come home, I'll jump on my emails,
do a load of washing, and then before you know,
I'm like, oh my god, it's two thirty. I need
to do school pickup. So am I going to shower now?
Or can I do another load of washing and then

(47:37):
some more emails and shower tomorrow and.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Shower next week.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Or shower as I can at nighttime before jumping into bed.
And so it's just prioritizing your time.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
And not your hygiene so much awful. It brings me
so much joy. We believe it. But it's the best fart.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
It is so reassuring to hear that because you are
so good at being put together, and we do see
you at events and you just always look at baculate.
It's very reassuring to hear that you can leave the
house without brushing your teeth or showering. I love that.
It's so But in order to say, for example, tips
on how to look put together whilst being feral and
not like, you know, hygienic, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
You know, like give us a tip. I need them.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
I always make sure I really look after my skin
and my health. So it's kind of like, do you
know what, if my skin feels good, I'm like, I
don't need to be wearing makeup. I'll put on some
sunscreen and that's it, and I'll slip back my hair
and instantly you feel put together because you're like, do
you know what? My skin looks great, My hair's out
of my face, it's all clean. Everything just looks like
neat and clean, even if it's.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Not even if I'm wearing my pajamas underneath.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
But then as well, my wardrobe, My wardrobe is very simple,
very basic, like all my active wads just like black.
So there's never that moment of like, oh my god,
it's like, where are my leggings to match this crop?
I was like, no, everything just matches ghost together all
the time. So the benefits of a black order, yeah,
just things like that.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah. I feel like you probably get this question a lot.
I think you've answered it before. Speaking of your skin
and your face. You have just the most perfect skin,
and I know you you're really good at sharing that
you do have flare up sometimes. Also when you had shingles,
obviously your eye was really affected. And you're really good
at showing us when you aren't necessarily feeling yourself. But
one of the things that I always see in your

(49:28):
question boxes asked is what do you get done? Do
you have botox filler? Are there any treatments you've tried
and loved or something you've tried and didn't rate. I've
heard a lot about Profilo recently and like, you're you're
the expert. I mean, I feel like you are. Literally
the your face looks like you've had died. I've had nothing.

(49:49):
You've amazing, but it's the Asian genes and I'm like,
but it will run out, and I'm going to need
a list. And so I've already screenshot you just like
so funny how much of your Q and as I've
screenshot about that sunscreen that your dermatologists recommended. There's a
couple of things that you've recommended that I'm like, I
need that. So now I'm like, what else do I need?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
But I'm constantly educating myself about skin, and the thing
with skin is I'm a very bit advocate that it
needs to come from within as well. So every morning
I drink a bone broth, do you yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Everyone?

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Instead of coffee, I'll have a bone broth in the
morning and throughout the day and at night time, Like
I love a bone broth celery juice as well. First
in the morning.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Bone brother is so Russian of you.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yeah, it's only in New like it's a recent thing.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Just start off.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah, But so I think, like I really look after
I just want to stress that I do look after
my skin internally as well, because it's not just about
you know, botox and fillers, because your skin texture does
also play a super important role and they can't fix
that now. They're not textural or glow related. That's like
purely structural.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, And I think previously why I personally didn't speak about,
you know, injectibles was because I think that a lot
of the different brands that I would work with, you know,
it's like they don't want you speaking about injectibles. They
don't want you speaking that you have hair extensions because like, no, no,
this serum is going to fix all your fine lines

(51:17):
and wrinkles. And it's like, well it will be to
a certain point, Like it's a combination of things. It
can't just be skincare. It can't just be botox, it
can't just be diet. I mean it can be, but
I believe that it needs to be everything these days,
I'm like, you know what, if you don't want to
work with me, you don't want to work.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
With me, this is what I do. This is what
I do. Like, I still love your product.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
But if you don't want to work with me because
I get a bit of botox done, well you know what,
so be it. But in terms of what I've had
done so botox, yes, I get regular botox.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I have had fillers done.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
I don't love fillers because with fillers it takes a
while for it to resolve. So what can happen is
that your filler will pilon pilon pylon. Then it can
migrate as well. And then that's when you start using
like little lumps and bumps.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
And you don't Yeah, they have that little filler pockets there.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
The last time I had filler in my lips was
like years ago, and I ended up having like little
like nipple like like little nipples. It was not a
good look. Then I had all disaster. Then I had
all my filla dissolved.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
So it doesn't dissolve ever itself. You have to get
it five to six years.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Okay, that's if it hasn't migrated.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, at the top.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Before you have to actually get it dissolved, yes, which
you can see when people's lips migrated. It's like, so
then I had it dissolved. And do you remember that
episode of The Kadashians Chris Janna, she had that reaction.
That was me.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
That was me.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
My whole face was live from dissolving, from dissolving it.
I can't I'll show you the video. Oh my god,
please do. It was hilarious, like you do, just just
go down event steroids and his to me.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
And so I had a reaction to the Yeah, my
poor kids.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Because I'm very protective with my daughter about not needing
to change what you have. So I really want her
to not be so focused on how she looks. And
that's why I don't really talk about like botox or
filler like she she's cluely now, like she sees girls
with like big lips and stuff, and she's like.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
It's my great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
But so I'm very mindful. So at the time, I
just said I got stung by Bee. Like any good
loving parents, what moms will say, I'm stung by Bee. Yeah,
I'm so glad I haven't cauite reached the stage where
I can understand.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
I'm not sure what happened.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I start making up, like yes, because I used to
take them to appointments and they just just to sit
watching on the TV.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I don't know, dad, but they don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
But now I would never take her to an appointment
and like watch her see things get injected.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
But I do not want to traumatize it, not yet
yet like that.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah, So that was my last dealing with filler. So
I haven't had to filler for a really long time.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
I can see why you just bit scared of it
for now, let's just give it a break. I did
get threading done.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Oh, the most painful experience.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Really, it's amazing. You literally get like threads in.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah, it's like barbed wire threads is it wire?

Speaker 2 (54:26):
It's like a little wire shark. Why?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
And then they pull pool pool like I looked unbelievable,
but the pain I could not do it again.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Really do they stay in there or do they put them?
They seen there?

Speaker 1 (54:42):
And then so for a few days afterwards, I could
feel my face being listed.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
It was the most bizarre experience.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
And I have a pretty high pain threshold, and you
still and I was still.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Like, oh my god, never again.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
The downtime, Like I was swollen for ages. Yeah, that's
also the thing. Downtime. It's like, especially when you're filming. Yeah,
I've got a film three days time. I can't be
puffy yeah, or be stung yeah, be stuck. Melbourne a
big problem. It's a big Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
But that's like in terms of like injectibles or anything
like harsh, like in terms of cosmic that's all. I've
had done skin treatments. I've had the homage done again.
Brutal really yeah, brutally not recommend it's like a tightening,
skin tightening. And the doctor, my doctor was like, you
know you're going to see the results in six months.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Well within that.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Six months, I've had botox, I've had filler.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
How do I know, I've had threats. How do I
know what actually works? Yeah? Also six months is too long,
too long. Atally, I had a high food facial and
they said, which is another ty. I think it's like
a heating thing. There was no downtime for that one,
but they were like in six months, whoa, And I
was like, I can't. I don't know time.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
The time is pasted it, I'm not gonna I want
now yeah, I can't at least like within this week.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
What's the motivation. Yeah, that's way too long for me.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah, but no, I do regular facials. That's something that
I really prioritize. Love laser genesis. I actually really want
to do skin needling. I have a few friends who have.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Done a needling. I suppose you haven't done that. It's
the pain you're not numbing cream. Okay, I must not
have like my nerves must not be right at the
surface because I didn't need any numbing leam at all,
and I found it fine. But some people can't deal
with it. It's it's probably like a two day downtime
of not putting makeup on because your skin's quite red

(56:34):
and tingly. But actual poor size, which again like injectibles,
can't change that. The poor size.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Everything goes tight. Yeah, and it's it was beautiful. That's
going to be my next thing, skin needling.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, I mean here you go. Yeah, Oh my gosh.
Well again, I have a million questions I didn't get
to but this has been such a joy. I would
love to finish with two of our little fast fire questions.
And that is just what you do for pure joy
and also kind of escape, and especially when we do
jobs that blend so much in with our lives, it's
really hard to switch off because our personal life is

(57:06):
kind of similar to the things that we share. What
do you do for joy? Is that why you love reading?

Speaker 1 (57:13):
I read to put me to sleep, That's why I read. Yeah, No,
I do enjoy reading. But I would say a couple
of my pure joys. One is playing like ball games
with my kids sometimes, Like especially my son he's eight.
He's such a silly boy and he just puts on
these like accents and it's just he's just silly and

(57:34):
he makes everything so light.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
And my daughter.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
As well, she's got a great personality.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I'm very lucky.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Like they're the kids that, like you just want to
hang out with, you know, like, oh my god, my
kids are like no, no, I love hanging out with
my kids. They've got great personalities, Like they're hilarious, take
after me. Obviously, people in the world like I made
them that way, but know that we love love playing
ball games together with them, and and yeah, that makes
me happy. But then also I love doing things with

(58:03):
my girlfriends. We've just started doing like once a month,
trying different groups.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I love that I saw that.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
So we went to like the comedy festival the other week.
We're going to go on a ghost to our Yeah,
I really want to do fencing one day. Yeah yeah, Actually,
Ange and I do you know Ang?

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Have you met An? You know, the little Vietnamese.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
She's always with me anyway, she's just moving to stay,
which is so sad, but she's a big part of CZA.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
She's one of our closest friends. And she's like ten
years younger than us, but that shows my level of
maturity that she's one of my closest friends. But our
thing was for CZA. We'd book like for each other's
birthdays or just every month, a random activity like let's
go back and do gymnastics. All let's do we did
like ceramics, and then we did what's that thing we're

(58:52):
tufting where you like tuft those mats and like just
arts and crafts and random activity like fencing. We just go,
I want to do taekwondo, like let's just do a class,
and you don't do that as an adult anymore. And
it's so nice when you just remember no one's stopping you, no.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
One's stopping just a schedule, just a kids, your kids
sporty ATV. That's your think that's stopping me my day
to life schedule.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
And also you thinking that it's silly, like I think
we think if it's not, if it doesn't progress me
in some way, or like it's a kid's activity, why
would adults go to a bouncing castle or whatever? And
it's like, why wouldn't you just do it? It's the
best time. We're in amazed once, oh freak. And final question,

(59:37):
what is your favorite quote? If you have one.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
One quote that I always reflect on when it comes
to work in business is this hockey quote.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I don't know if you've heard of it. I'm sure
you would have heard of it.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
I'm probably going to mess it up because it's memory.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
No, but it's something along the lines of.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Don't go where the puck is going, go with a
puck is going to go next.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I love that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
So in short form, yeah, just all you're always trying
to be a few steps ahead because by the time
people have caught up to especially in the line of
work that we do, you constantly need to be thinking ahead. Yeah,
so don't do what everyone's doing. Now, do what everyone's
going to be wanting to do next.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Oh my gosh, and you're the queen of that. I
feel like that's been your entire career, and I've found
that has always been really important in my life until motherhood,
where the space of my brain that usually has space
to think that many steps ahead has just been like
a sleep for a little while. I'm waiting for it
to wake back up, and I think I'm getting there.
But that's incredible advice. And thank you so much for

(01:00:46):
being so generous and open, and in the like thirty
something years that we've known each other, every time I
see you, I love you more and more and I'm
so grateful for your time today. Thank Youwan, congrats on
the podcast. It's amazing. Thanks for having me. Thank you.
This was so much fun. Oh my gosh. Reliving those
glory days brings me so much joy. But also, I

(01:01:09):
just love Rosa Moore. Every time I speak with her.
She's honestly one of the most perfectly groomed, beautifully presented
people I've ever met. But I love how easy she
is to talk to. And I know it sounds so cliche,
but just so down to earth. It's such a privilege
to share parts of people you don't see as much,
and she was just so open with us. So if
you did enjoy especially any of the throwbacks, if you

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identified with any of those, please do share the episode,
tagging at Rosalia Underscore Russian and Us to thank her
for her time and openness. And of course, the links
to the witchery white shirt are in the show notes,
along with links to Rosa's pages. I also hope you
all had a beautiful Mother's Day. To those who celebrate,

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I have some seize the baby thoughts brewing that didn't
get published on time, but will be coming your way,
and sending all my love to those who find it
a difficult day to celebrate, especially the mothers to be.
I have been there and hold you all in my heart.
I'll cut myself off there because I could go on forever,
but hope you are having a beautiful week and are
seizing your yate