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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's do this.
We are live.
Hello everybody, and what's up?
Yeah, welcome back.
It's another episode of SkipHappens.
You know it's the podcast wherewe talk all things country
music.
You're gonna love this man.
You know life on the road.
We're gonna find out about that, the stories behind the songs.
(00:20):
I'm your host, skip Clark, youknow that, and we always bring
you the best in country music.
And tonight we've got a specialguest, a rising star, who's
been making waves Powerhousevocals.
You'll find out, you'll hearhim and go holy crap.
Honest storytelling andundeniable country grit.
(00:41):
I love the grit part of it too.
And if you haven't heard, uh,his music yet, well, you're
about to become a fan real quick.
Uh, please welcome.
He's uh sitting right over here.
If I hit the right buttonyou're gonna be able to see him.
It's chase mcdaniel, yo heywhat's up, man?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
good to be here.
Hey, welcome to the pod zone.
Dude, this is sick brother.
This is amazing.
I have to ask have?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
you ever been like invited to somebody's house to
go do the podcast?
This is first.
This is amazing stuff.
I have to ask have you everbeen like invited to somebody's
house to go do the podcast?
This is first this is first.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, this is awesome .
This is this is it.
This is the real deal.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, this is killer you know, I love it.
This is my, uh, my littleheaven, oh yeah to speak a man
cave.
I don't know if that's theproper word to use nowadays.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I can get behind it, get behind it, I hope heaven
looks a little bit like this oh,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Well, this has happened to me.
Yeah, this is heaven to me.
So, hey, I do want to welcomeyou officially to the pod zone.
Good stuff going on.
As you can see, he's rightthere.
I know the cameras are kind ofkind of funky.
There you are.
There you are.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
How long you've been growing that hair, dude uh,
since I couldn't afford ahaircut, so um you're honest.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That's why it comes.
Honest storytelling.
I totally get that probably2018.
Yeah, can you um tell us alittle bit about your background
and how you got started incountry music?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
yeah, so growing up, um, my great grandpa was just a
huge bluegrass fan.
So you know he would go to thisplace called renfro valley in
kentucky and he would bring meback guitar picks and things
like that.
And the first CD he ever got mewas Josh Turner's Long Black
Train and he was like I want youto learn this song and sing it
for a family reunion.
And I was like eight years old Ihad no bass in my voice or
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anything, but I just got hookedon that record.
I mean I just played it.
It was the first piece of musicI could call mine, you know.
And um, then my other papawsang bass in a gospel quartet
and so there was really therewasn't really any live music in
Kentucky, like we were a dryCounty, so like to go to a bar
or to go to a venue like thatwas like hours away.
So the only live music I knewwas bluegrass gospel.
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That was in the church, and sothose first records were Josh
Turner, randy Travis, youvis,you know, keith whitley.
And then in I think it was likefourth grade, I traded a pack
of pokemon cards for an acdcrecord and then I found rock and
roll shook me all night long.
Baby, yeah, a little tnt it wasthe back in black record.
Yeah, the back was black.
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It was.
Yeah, it was definitely one ofthose songs.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, and they still play it today go to a wedding I
guarantee you're gonna hearabout um.
You shook me all night long?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
yeah, I was.
I remember being like nine andtrying to figure out what he was
saying and being like, did hejust say american thighs?
Like I'm trying to put ittogether because, like, when
you're not, you're like you.
I hadn't heard lyrics like thatbefore right like I'm hearing
gospel lyrics and all of asudden there's a song where
there it's uh, you know what dothey call it?
Not safe for work I love it um.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You know you have that josh turner sound, oh cool
I mean, you've got that baritone, you've got the bass going.
Now I don't know when you saidyou didn't have it at the age of
eight and that's probably not,but still, but still, I could do
.
You do any of that like longblack train in any of your sets
at all, just because you havethat voice, not anymore, I think
but you did well, yeah, when Iwas like a teenager, I would go?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I'd go around town.
My papa would have me goingchurch to church singing long
black train or um, they wouldhave probably called me the josh
turner impersonator ofgreensburg, kentucky, when I was
16 17 years old.
That's a good thing, though.
Well, I wasn't good at it.
I was the only kid doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, well, somebody was doing it, it was you.
That's what matters.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
If there was a demand , I was the only one offering
the supply.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Chase McDaniel, let me ask what inspired you to
pursue a career in country music?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I just loved country music more than anybody I knew,
growing up in a small towncalled Greensburg and it was a
country music town, so everyoneloved country music, but still I
think I loved it more thananybody there.
So you know, I burned thoserecords up like just you
wouldn't believe.
I just connected to music in away that didn't make sense to
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anybody other than me.
My grandparents took me in whenI was a kid and my papa would
sing.
I wanted to be like my papa.
He was my hero, he'd sing inthese churches and so I wanted
to learn songs just to sing inchurch.
Then I got a car, got a radioand before you know it I was
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wanting to sing country songsthat fit my voice.
I always had that, you know,thick kentucky accent.
You know, when I moved tonashville people always asked me
boy, you from alabama, yeah,like you from around here or
something, and I'm from kentucky.
So, um, not too far up the road, but um, well, yeah, I can tell
.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
If music doesn't work out for you, which I don't
think that's going to be anissue here um, from what I've
heard already and what I've seen, but you could be a voiceover
talent, you could be a voiceoverartist.
You look at john down there.
He's agreeing.
Now here's the guy that's withyou all the time and this guy,
he's got the voice too, man Imean he's.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I try to get him to sing, but he won't do it.
But no look at how quiet he is,but he's got that, he's got
that grab, he's's got that.
You're Louisiana, right,arkansas, arkansas.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
He's got that.
Arkansas.
I'm from Arkansas, yeah,exactly.
So if I am, your hometown, iswhat?
Again?
Greensburg?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So I'm driving down the road and I drive into
Greensburg.
What will be the first thing?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I'll see A lot of nothing, a lot of nothing, it's
okay.
It's okay.
A whole lot of nothing, it'sokay, it's okay.
You, uh, I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Stop sign.
It's got to be a grocery storeor something.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
We actually are just now getting a grocery store.
I saw that on Facebook today.
Well, um, cause we used to haveto go to Walmart in Camelsville
, which was 10 miles down theroad.
Um, so, first thing, there wasa McDonald's, there was a
stoplights.
The schools are big there, so,like you know, we've got there.
Everybody's into the highschool football, baseball.
Oh, you know basketball teams.
My brother is a senior thisyear and they were ranked six in
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the state in basketball and sothat was like the whole county
shut down for them.
Man, like that well, that's coolit is man, it was just, you
know, hometown support, so uh,but yeah, we had a mcdonald's.
We had a least famous recipewhich I've only ever seen in
Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
A Least.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
What it's a chicken house, we could just call it the
chicken house we call it thechicken house.
So you go there, you get friedchicken with some sweet tea and
a Dairy Queen.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Everybody's got a DQ.
Come on, everybody's got a DQand that's about it.
No, that's hometown, yeah, uh,that means more than anything
yeah, absolutely, you know andeverybody knows everybody,
somebody needs something,somebody's there to help, both
good and bad, which is reallygood.
So I want to hear a little bitabout your song burn down heaven
(07:14):
.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, so tell us about that yeah, I'm like I was
raised by my grandparents.
You know, like I said, mygrandparents took me when I was
10 or 11 years old.
So I go back home often, youknow, to see mamaw and papaw.
My mamaw, papaw are mom and dad.
So, uh, they're 82, 83 and, uh,my papaw was a preacher of a
country church growing up.
So, um, he always has these likelittle aphorisms and stuff and
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things that he'll say that I'mlike dang, that's a, it's a
country song.
You know, I gotta hear, I gottawrite that down.
And so one weekend I was backhome and he said, you know, I
think I would turn down heavenfor your mamaw, meaning that if
he had the chance to liveforever and never say goodbye,
that he would take thatopportunity over going to heaven
.
And so I sat down with myguitar one night when I got back
to Nashville trying to write alove song called Turn Down
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Heaven and realized that thatwasn't my story.
I was trying to write someoneelse's story, and which you do
as a songwriter sometimes.
And and well, I, as I wasplaying my guitar, I
accidentally said the phraseburn down heaven by accident.
And so, uh, you know the way Iwas brought up.
It felt like lightning hadstruck my body.
(08:19):
Like yeah, I shouldn't have saidthat one.
And um, you know, like I haddone something wrong or
something you know, and and so.
But I sat with it for a second.
I thought, you know well, maybemy subconscious is trying to
tell me something.
What does that mean?
And um, it took me back to atime in my life where, uh, I
felt like I had done somethingunforgivable, like I had done
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the worst thing imaginable,which would be burning down
heaven, you know, and I had donethe worst thing imaginable,
which would be burning downheaven.
And I thought when is it in mylife when it felt like God and
all the angels were pointingtheir finger at me like I had
just done something wrong?
And it was when I had hurtsomebody that I really cared
about and truly it was me thathad it forgiven me.
I hadn't forgiven myself, andso writing the song was, I think
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, the beginning process of meforgiving myself for that and
for a whole lot more.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
you know it's the meaning.
It goes deeper.
You hear it and you think onething, but the reality is it
goes a lot deeper.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
And that's I get it.
Yeah, I get it.
It's funny.
Tyler, our producer over there,just kind of.
I think he's kind of starstruckright now because and I'll tell
you why I have a little bit ofa story when I he goes.
Okay, who do we have on thepodcast tonight?
(09:34):
And I said, well, chasemcdaniel's gonna stop over and
he goes wait, big machine, yeah,he goes.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
He's on my playlist.
Oh, that's awesome playlist,let's go, let's go.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So yeah, I just you know he's like he was over here
in two minutes, come on no,thank you so good, he uh, and
Tyler helps me out a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But let's talk about your musical style.
How would you explain that tosomebody that does not know you?
Yeah, somebody says hey, tellme about your musical style.
What would you tell them?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I would say, if you put Josh Turner and ACDC in a
room together and told them to,figure it out.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
No, I would like to hear that that could be really
something.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, it is, it's country, it's a little bit of
rock and roll and it's just,it's honest.
I think the lyrics are some ofthe most vulnerable things that
I could say.
They're all true stories aboutmy life and you know I'm on a
mission in country music.
You know I'm on a mission toyou know, to share the things
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that I've personally struggledwith.
You know the things that myfamily has gone through, the
things that I've went throughthat you know, growing up in a
small town, like I did, wedidn't talk about.
And so you know, I think thereason I wanted to be an artist,
or the reason that that itchwas inside me, was because I
loved country music so much andI never heard my story me was
because I loved country music somuch and I never heard my story
(10:49):
.
And so I think that is whatcaused me to become a writer.
Was that in order for my storyto be represented, I had to
write it myself.
Wow, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Now, do you write a lot by yourself or do you team
up with others and go towriter's nights and do all that?
Yeah, both.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Both I started out for years writing by myself.
I only really recently startedwriting with other people and
you know I've got some amazingco-writers.
My producer on my record comingout in August his name is
Lindsey Rimes.
He's just absolutely incredible.
He's worked on Nate Smith'srecord and done a lot of his
stuff and so we linked up and wegot a really awesome song one
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day and a lot of his stuff and,and so we linked up and we got a
really awesome song one day,and then I was like oh, I think
we should maintain thisfriendship?
How long?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
have you been playing ?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
oh uh, eight, yeah well yeah, yeah, I think I
probably sang in church for thefirst time when I was about 12,
maybe and um, and then afterthat I think I took a couple
breaks here and there, and thenafter that I think I took a
couple of breaks here and thereand then you know probably
really when really my first gig?
I was 15.
My papaw took me to this placecalled uh, it was Lincoln
Jamboree.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
You still remember that.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Oh yeah, that's awesome.
And, um, there was a guy there.
It was kind of like a smalltown Opry type deal that's what
they were trying to try to doand so you'd go in there's like
a theater, you know and thefolks would come in, they get
dinner, they get dinner and ashow, and so he'd pay you 50
bucks, this thing for about fourhours.
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But you had to impress the guy,he had to impress him, and so
he took me in there one daybackstage and he said, you know,
here's my grandson, he likes tosing and I really like to help
him.
You know, get on the show here.
And he said, well, what can hesing?
And so he said we'll play himum, folsom Prison Blues.
And so, you know, at 15 I'msinging Johnny Cash, and he's
like, well, all right.
And then he let me, uh, hop onthe show at school and 50 bucks
(12:34):
at 15 years old is a lot ofmoney gas in the tank.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, that's right yeah maybe, maybe a little bit
of gas in the tank gas in thetank and a movie theater ticket.
Yeah, there you go, there yougo.
That's pretty cool.
Tell me about the uh, yourdebut album, the lost ones yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So lost ones is the is one, it's a, it's a title to
one of my favorite songs on thealbum, and then two, it's the
title of the album so coming outin august.
Um, so lost ones is the theme,it's the template of everything
that I've been writing andreally just my life story up to
this point.
You know, um, like I said, mygrandparents took me in when I
was a kid and that was becausemy dad was an addict, um, and
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gave me everything that you knowyou could, uh, that you should
have as a kid.
You know it was unconditionallove there, it was safety, it
was, you know, taught me to gochase my dreams.
That you know it was.
It was a good time at my momand papa's house, um, you know.
That being said, you know therewere early scars, there were
things that, um, that I saw,that I went through that, uh,
you wouldn't wish on any kid.
(13:32):
And and so, you know, as I gotolder and and really even then,
you know, I struggled withthings like mental health.
You know, I I most of my life Ihave been battling with the dark
side of my mind and so, um, youknow that all kind of came to a
head and, um, one night I was,uh found myself standing over a
bridge at three in the morningin Louisville, kentucky, feeling
like I couldn't make it anotherday alive, when a guy pulled me
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back over and uh told me that Iwas important, told me that I
mattered, and told me that I hadto keep fighting because I'd
made it so far.
And you know how could this beany different?
I got to keep going today, andso my mission is to travel the
country and to write these songsand sing these songs and to
spread that same message topeople who are, whether they're
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on their last day, or they'regoing through a hard time, or
they don't see the light at theend of the tunnel.
I have been fortunate enough tohave had this connective thread
lead me to this incredibleplace, this arrival to where I'm
chasing my dream right now, andthings are going pretty good
right now, and I feel good rightnow in my head and in my soul,
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and so if.
I can take a little bit of that,go back into the tunnel and
tell everybody that, hey, itdoesn't have to end here, it can
get better.
That's what I'm doing is I'mout to, I'm out to find the lost
how old?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
how old were you when you went through that episode,
for example, being on the bridgeand all that?
How?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
old were you?
It was, it was for years, butthe bridge incident I think I
was probably 21 maybe 22 a lotof stuff going through your mind
at that age.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, a lot of stuff, yeah and my dad.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
We had just lost my dad.
Um, oh geez, he had been anaddict for 17 years and he
eventually just decided that hewas done himself.
So and that was.
I'm so sorry.
Well, thank you, but you know,so in my family we just that was
something that we didn't knowhow to process my grandparents.
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They lost two sons One was myuncle and then the one that was
my dad.
So, but I'm growing up in thishouse that has just, you know,
it's been bombarded with griefand you know I didn't know what
to do with that, I think, and soI think my brain just did what
any brain would do and it triedto protect me.
My brain was trying to protectme, but I didn't recognize it as
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that and, um, and I foundmyself in some really dark
moments.
But you know, I I think thatthere's the light at the end of
the tunnel, of that is that Ican now tell people hey, um,
you're not alone, right, I haveseen the other side and, and you
know I've been, I've been thereto where it felt like no one
could possibly feel this bad.
It doesn't make sense thatanyone else in the world has
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ever felt like this before.
There's no way, but I did.
I felt like that.
My brain was that sick and thenI still got to the other side
and I just want to tell peoplethat's possible no, and did you
feel like nobody could tell youdifferent?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
yeah, absolutely, I went through a lot of that.
Yeah, many, many, many yearsago, not off a bridge, but yeah,
same idea.
Yeah and um, but you don'trealize.
I mean, I had people tell me,tell me all sorts of stuff and I
didn't want to listen to them.
Yeah, I didn't care.
Yeah, but uh, I know we're inthe pod zone now, but that that
young lady right upstairs savedmy life, oh, wow, and that's how
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we became who we are.
Yeah and uh, just yeah.
So I mean, I I get all chokedup talking about it.
But hearing it from you and thestories and they're not stories,
it's real life, it's real lifeand I don't think there's
anybody that doesn't go throughany.
I don't think you could havethe best marriage you could have
(16:57):
.
You still have these demonsthat are there.
Yeah, and I'm getting all thechicken noodles here, but it's
yeah, they're there.
And to hear it from somebodylike you that you know, you've
been through it, you've lostloved ones, you've seen
addiction.
Look where you are now.
You're on the verge of being astar.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Well, you are.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
You're putting music out to radio, it is awesome.
I mean mean good example is youknow tyler over there, he's
looking, always looking for goodmusic and he's got great taste
and when you know.
So you have made I'm usingtyler as an example here but you
have made, uh, an example ofyourself saying, hey, I can do
this, and other people that youknow maybe somebody's going to
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be watching this or somebodylistening to this will hear the
story and know that, yeah, thereis another side.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I really don't give up.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I really hope so.
Wow, man, we just got prettydeep.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And I think that that's good, I think that that's
okay.
You know I try to, as I'm doingthis, I want to encourage those
conversations, you know,because, uh, when those
conversations aren't had,there's no progress to be made.
You know, like when, the, whenthe truth is locked inside of
you and can't go anywhere else,it's.
You know, we we wrote a songrecently, um, you know it's
going to be on the album.
(18:15):
It's called mind on fire andit's just kind of this, it's the
story.
It's it's that.
And uh, you know, uh, one of myfriends in the room, brett
warren, he's also in recoverythe Warren Brothers, yeah, and.
I love those guys.
Oh my God, they're so amazing.
Oh my God, who doesn't?
We've got stories about theWarren.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Brothers, let me tell you he's incredible.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Well, he said this line as we were talking.
That's something that he heardin recovery.
He said you're only as sick asyour secrets and I said we got
to put that in a song.
Yeah, absolutely, and so we ranupstairs as fast as we could and
we wrote that song in probably45 minutes, you know, and
finished.
The song called Mind on Fireand it's just so true.
You know the more that you havelocked inside the moment that
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you can be honest.
You know, when that guy pulledme back over no-transcript, as
painful as it was, it was like aweight had been lifted for the
first time too.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
So you know, that kind of leads me to ask this
question about the album, andyou're talking about that song
that's going to be on the album,would you say that's a one that
holds a very special place inyour heart, especially
meaningful to you more than someof the other ones.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, I think they're all good.
I'm sure they all havesomething to them.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, I'm sure they all have something to them.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, I think so.
You know well, the ones thatare going to mean the most to me
are the ones that you know, Ithink are just were
underrepresented in my personallistening.
You know, growing up, and sothe ones that you know talk more
about the internal struggles ofthe mind, the soul, whatever
those are always going to be.
You know my favorites, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Burned down heaven.
We talked about that a littlebit, but it's already getting
attention.
I know your label has been uhin touch with me about that song
and they're doing a great job,by the way, just so you know uh
they're awesome.
Yeah, I know you do and thinkabout everybody that's on your,
not only your team, but look atthe label that you're working
with and the artists that are onthat label.
(20:05):
My God Pretty humbling yeah.
I'd be like, Holy shit, somebodypinched me.
But how does it feel knowingthat your music is really
starting to hit a lot of people?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, it's, it's kind of this.
It's just, I didn't expect it.
To be honest, you know, I Iwrote songs, I think, to ease my
mind.
That was that was my goal, wasto just feel better.
Um, and then the most amazingthing happened was I found out
that, you know, I'm not alone.
And and there are so manypeople, uh, that connect with
this and it's it's really reallypowerful, really cool.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So release?
What's the date of that?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
it's august something , yeah, yeah, they could
probably tell you better than Icould.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I'm looking at your team over there.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Part of your team the one person that's here from the
team it was hard enough towrite the song.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, I know how long did it take you to write all
those songs?
Um, I I took pretty quick, andothers correct?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
yeah, yeah, so I mean this is.
I've been working on these mywhole life, so you know some of
these I started, started andleft and came back to, and
others you know I wrote, youknow in less than an hour or so,
but I took off most of the yeartouring last year to just focus
on writing this album.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah had to get it done.
Yeah, had to get it done,putting them all in the closet.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So when the time is ready.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
That's right.
That's right.
When the cool and uh, you knowwhat's gonna.
What's next for you after thealbum release?
You're gonna be hitting sometours.
You're gonna be going out doyou know of anything?
That's uh.
Chase mcdaniel's gonna be ontour with whoever, whatever,
wherever.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yet I don't know anything yet, but uh, well,
you're with big machine, I'msure there's big things coming.
So yeah, but I'm excited forthe album to come out, excited
for the you know as many peopleuh in the world who want to hear
it, to hear these songs.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I love that man.
So when you're not playingmusic, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Ooh, that's a great question.
Um, let's see, when I'm notplaying music, I love to go
fishing when I get the chance.
Uh, I've been in Nashville nowfor nine years and I was going
to ask how long you were there.
Yeah.
So you know I love to go backhome.
You know I go back home to seemamaw and papaw as often as I
can and uh, you know that's, thebusier you get, the harder that
gets.
But you know, even a coupleweekends ago, in the middle of
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radio tour, I made my way backhome to see mamaw, papaw for the
weekend.
So, uh, I stop in there, I hangout and see, see friends how
does the uh, the hometown treatyou?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
are you being, I mean the hometown radio?
I mean maybe the 12 or 15people in your town.
That, no, I'm kidding.
But, still your hometown radioand all that.
Look what you're doing.
How do they treat you?
Are they playing you?
Are they getting you out andsaying hey, chase McDaniel, he's
our hometown guy?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
It's pretty cool man, I love it.
I go back home.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Kind of float.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah Well, my hometown is is really amazing
and you know there's, there areso few places.
Uh, you know that that I can goand not know somebody, or had
went to school with somebody, orsomebody's daughter or cousin
knows me, and so you know I'llpull, I'll go to the drive-thru
at the chicken house and youknow I get a sweet tea and I'll
go to the drive-thru at thechicken house and you know I get
a sweet tea.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I'll never forget that.
Now it's going to be, we'll goto the chicken house and we're
taking pictures and stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
So it is really cool.
And you know, I went home to mybrother's ball game.
They had like a rivalry gamegoing on.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Oh, basketball, you were telling me that right, yeah
, and the they had played mysongs over the.
How does that feel?
It's pretty wild, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I wasn't expecting that you were there.
They knew I was there.
Okay, yeah, I've heard.
I've heard them saying I don'tknow that this is true or not
somebody was telling me thatthey used one of my songs during
the uh, the interchange in thebaseball and football games and
stuff like that like.
But it was cool to be there andyou know like that that's my
high school, though you know.
So to feel that you know whatI'm doing isn't embarrassing
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them at the very least is cool.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Come on, dude, I'm just just chatting with you and
being a radio guy and doing whatI do, and I hear your voice.
It's just I don't know, dude,it's, there's something good
about that.
I mean just that.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Just that, you know, just chatting just chatting,
yeah, let alone once we hear acouple of songs here um, well,
your, your, your, your awesomeroom is maybe just making it,
you know, magical.
You got a magical room here,brother it is magical.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You need to tell others about this.
You know you gotta live that,so, um, I'm trying to think.
So when you're home're home, doyou drive a?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
pickup.
I drive a Honda right now.
Yeah, so I had a GMC.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I try to guess what an artist drives, and I'm wrong
every single time.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I had a GMC that I had to change the engine twice,
and so I literally got onConsumer Reports what's the most
reliable vehicle in the world?
And I found the Honda Civic.
They are, though.
But they're also one of themost stolen vehicles.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Oh, I didn't know that wow, yeah, yeah, they're so
tiny, people come up and takethem, uh, but no, it's always I.
I always try to guess.
When I interview an artist,it's like, okay, I'm gonna guess
.
It's uh, okay, you got asilverado.
It's 1500.
You know, nope got a key.
Yeah, yeah, you know, that'snope got a nissan yeah, you know
it's like oh, okay, okay, andwhat year?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
uh, I think it's uh, 2012, yeah you know, yeah, some
of you know some of us aretrying to get good gas mileage,
you know no, no, and you should,and you should what was, uh,
like one of your first jobs ever, my first job was at burger
king.
Uh yeah, my papa woke me up onmy 16th birthday.
He said, hey, wake up, you'relate, and was like, what are you
talking about?
He threw me my uniform.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
He's like I got you a job at Burger King.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
So my papa.
He was a teacher in my hometowntoo.
He was at the local universitythere and so he was well
renowned there.
He was everyone's favoriteteacher, just this brilliant guy
.
So he would go to burger king.
Uh, once he retired and readbooks for like six to eight
hours a day and so he knew allthe staff at burger king and
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he's like hey, I got a grandsonjust turned 16.
He needs a job.
They're like we'll bring him in.
So he threw me my uniform andsaid you're late, so so um I'm
looking at some of the commentshere.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Uh, do you have a kentucky fried chicken?
Jason kranz, you know jason bychance.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
He he's a radio guy in the midwest yeah, yeah, so we
have one in camelsville, whichis 10 miles from my hometown,
and so it's interesting.
So green county is, greensburgis my hometown, where I went to
school, camelsville is where mymom and papa all live, so I
would go back and forth.
And the crazy thing about thisis that I grew up on the time
zone.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Change the line are Are you like right there?
Yes, so if you go one way,you're an hour behind.
You go the other way and it'slike crap.
I don't know what time it is.
Am I late?
Am?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I early Bingo.
So Campbellsville was onEastern time, greensburg was on
Central time.
We called it fast time and slowtime.
I never knew it as anythingelse.
So when I went to school, whenI went to college, I asked my
professor is that test on fasttime or slow time?
And he's like are you stupid?
What are you doing?
Maybe you shouldn't go to thisschool.
(26:52):
Yeah, but I get where you'recoming from, yeah yeah, but I
literally, when I got asmartphone, my phone would
change time zones from one sideof the house to the other side
of the house.
That's how bad it was.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So you never knew what time you were in be in the
living room and it's noon yeah,go to the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
It's one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, it was confusing, man you know, sarah
uh is saying please come tosyracuse, um, sarah, he's
sitting right here, he's here,um, but uh, how cool.
But uh, you know, we'd love toget you here absolutely I would
love to put you in front of alot of fans.
Yeah, as you know, the way Ialways say when it comes to
radio, in the relationship withthe artist and putting you on
that stage, it's it's always onefan at a time.
(27:36):
We build with that and it's thesame thing for radio.
That's what we do one fan at atime.
I love that man, or maybe, inyour case, 10 fans at it you're
doing really well, let's seewhat else we have here before we
, uh, uh, move on, but I don'tknow what's going on.
Do, do so.
You like the pod zone?
Huh, sorry about the pizza.
(27:57):
We didn't have the pizzatonight.
No, okay, we're good.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So, uh, somebody says you're a cutie well, they need
to get their eyes checked.
Uh, there's probably not.
Now that I look at it, I thinkthat's my neighbor it is, it's
maria.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Oh man, it's funny because, um, I love this
neighborhood and I don't knowabout you, I'm this I was great
as people walking dogs and it'snighttime that's what it is, and
there's two streets in thisneighborhood.
Yeah, you know, you saw uh rossi, our dog when you came in, who
attacked you.
Uh, but in a good way,beautiful.
But it's a neighborhood whereeverybody, probably like you in
(28:37):
your small town, where everybodyknows each other and everybody
helps each other, and it's likeyou know, hey, how are you?
The sun is out, everybody's outin their yard.
Yeah, you know, yeah, in themiddle of december, february,
january, we don't see anybody.
But uh, well, dude, we don'tblame them.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
We get a lot of snow yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I don't see a lot of snow.
I know, james over there, a lot.
For example, we will get a footof snow overnight.
School bus still goes by in themorning because we have the
equipment to handle the roads.
The men and women do a greatjob here, but we get what they
call lake effect snow have you?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
ever heard of that?
No, I've not heard of that,didn't think so?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Because, we're so close to Lake Ontario I'm not a
meteorologist, but we are soclose to Lake Ontario that when
you get a cold wind that blowsacross the lake, it comes from
the northwest, it picks up themoisture from the lake and dumps
(29:33):
it all on syracuse, this wholepart of new york state.
So, for example, we could getuh, I know one town got one
snowfall, got over six feet, ohmy god, and that was just over
this past winter.
Wow, yeah, wow, yeah, it's justamazing.
It's just amazing.
That's crazy, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
But back to the music well, I was gonna say we went
up to main uh a few weeks agoand I'd never been that far
north before and it was my firsttime seeing snow up to the
mailboxes.
Yeah, so like all you could seewas the box, not the actual.
It was the pole.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
As you pulled into the pod zone here, the mailbox
at the end of the driveway, itwas over that.
Wow, it was over that, but thething is it goes away fast.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Worry about flooding, so oh wow, you know, think
about that, yeah, the water'sgot to go somewhere.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
That's crazy.
Yeah, it is crazy.
Really nuts, really nuts.
So what?
What sports you like?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
basketball yeah, I well, I grew up playing football
all my life and then, um, also,I did competitive weightlifting
.
So I know that's like reallyrandom, yeah, but uh, my, my
grandpa and my dad did it andand so, um, I did that most of
my life.
The football team would do itin the offseason as they get all
the football teams in the statetogether and you just see who
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could outbench and deadliftHow'd your school do Football.
We did pretty good, Not too bad.
I was better at theweightlifting than I was at
football In my weight class.
I did pretty good.
I went on to college to do thatand did a clean jerk.
One day I caught the weightwrong or something.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
You call it a clean, jerk.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
A clean and jerk.
Yeah, you pick it up, you throwit all the way to your
shoulders.
You stand up and then you throwit over your head.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Sounded kind of obscene.
I didn't know what a clean jerkwas.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
It's not the best name for what it is.
You've got to be careful.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Do you still work out , though, is that?
Something in your routine.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah, I wish I could, but I had that injury.
I passed out and I hit my head.
I woke up in a casket machine.
I was like 19 when that happens.
I had horrible amnesia.
I didn't know who I was.
I did the real deal concussionand so um yeah, I didn't realize
how bad of an effect that hadon me until I.
(31:29):
You know, every time I went tothe gym I had to run out after
about 10 minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I was, like you know, gotta get in the the yips, I
think so I do have to ask aboutyour routine a little bit,
because here we are it's in theevening, or you know, we're in
the pod zone but on a radio tour.
Most, if not, well, probablypretty much all of them maybe a
few in the afternoon, but mostare in the morning.
Don't you go in and like, hey,we're here 7 am, yeah, all happy
(31:57):
with your guitars and ready tothe player hit, and yeah, shake
hands and meet everybody frommusic directors to program
directors to station owners.
I mean, how is that?
How do you do it?
I'm enjoying it.
It's called a radio tour.
For those of you watching thatdon't know.
Uh, I know because I've beendoing this radio thing for a
(32:17):
long time.
But it's called a radio tour.
We meet artists like chase.
How do you do it?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
um, well, we're in, probably, you know, two or three
cities a day and um I I ampersonally afraid of planes,
like I used to love planes.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I used to love flying if you watch the news, I don't
blame you, because now theythere seems to be more and more
and more.
You know planes using a taxiwayfor a runaway, another one
clips its wing as it's landingand one rolled over.
It's like, and that was rightaround crs time yeah, because I
was on a regional jet and I'mgoing just stay up, that's right
.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I remember that, yeah , so I was like I'm sorry, no, I
was gonna say well, I, I thinkI was, I had flight anxiety
before.
It was cool before before.
Everybody else said you knowwhat?
Me too?
But I, I it's kind of stillrecently new, I mean probably
the last two or three years,because I grew up being a big
star trek fan, like I love startrek, star wars, all that sci-fi
, space stuff and so, um, youknow, when I grew up yeah, when
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I grew up, I wanted to be theguy who went from planet to
planet, made friends with aliens, like that was so cool.
that was my dream job, so beingafraid of planes is new for me,
but um but's.
A lot of planes, a lot offlying there is, and then a lot
of waking up early, like thismorning.
I think I woke up at 5.30.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Let me ask you this Can you name the last three
cities you were in?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Maybe Actually we're in Syracuse now.
You're in Syracuse, we were inRochester.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, and then we were I've lost Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Buffalo and Pittsburgh this morning.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Pittsburgh this morning you drove up from
Pittsburgh.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Because there's a one-way flight from Nashville to
Pittsburgh, so we drove fromPittsburgh to Buffalo, okay.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, but I'm trying to think yeah, usually I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You will never forget this place.
I'm just telling you, you'realways going to remember the pod
soon.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, oh, absolutely.
Well, this is the most uniqueand cool setup we've had.
This is awesome, like reallycool setup man yeah.
But, like I will say, for thefirst time in my life, I don't
know where I am most days, likeand and and cause when we're on
tour.
Tour like when I, like you,wake up it's 2 pm and like you,
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go get chipotle or whatever here.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I truly don't know where I am and it's it is kind
of weird.
Yeah, oh my god, I love that.
Yeah, that's like where are we?
You have no idea.
Yeah, I've talked to many otherartists and also my reps from
the labels and it's like they'reon the bus and they have no
idea.
It's just they wake up, they'rein another city and it's like,
okay, where are?
We, we're in cle, you'd believethem, even though it wasn't
Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I will say that If somebody told me something
different, I would 100% believethem Exactly.
How would you know?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, right, how would you know Exactly so?
Collaborations, anyopportunities with any of that?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
yet I know you probably get asked that.
So much but your talent withsomebody else, we chose Nazi on
the first album.
Lost Woods is kind of mypersonal project and it's
something that I felt like Ineeded to say as an artist.
So for this first project, wedon't.
However, I do have a song thatis begging for a female
(35:22):
collaboration, and we've notrecorded it yet, but we're
working on finding the rightpartner.
You're not going to say whoyou're thinking about.
Well, there's a few, there's afew we're thinking of.
So I don't know who it is yet.
It's got to be the right one.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
How do you think of all these different artists you
want a female to collaboratewith?
I get that, but how do youreally know it's the right one?
Yeah, I don't know the rightone yeah, I don't know, like, uh
, because you don't want to likereally audition it.
You know what I mean.
Because, like that would be no,we don't like eagerly, no,
exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, you do a song like, okay, you know not cut
that one, but no, I think justyou know out of uh, you know
talking about it and you know,you kind of know what people's
voices sound like and um, youknow and also you.
You look at what they sing theselyrics, what they sing these
words, you know, because it's asong that I wrote, you know,
with a couple of my friends and,uh, it's a deep song, story
song, and you want to know, likewho'd be willing to do
something like that.
(36:13):
And so you just kind of havethese conversations.
You're like, okay, maybe thisperson, maybe this person, and
you also got a shelf who's?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I don't know about that, I think it's just the
opposite.
But how you know, you got tofind somebody and you also have
to have that connection, correct?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, just, you know I listen.
You know playing the songs weplay on the Wolf All Day.
You know you hear Cody andCarrie and it's just like you
can feel a connection there.
It's like and I realized itwasn't, you know they were, he
was over here and she was overhere, but they brought it
together and I don't know ifthere was others before carrie,
I have no idea, but it's.
I can hear that connection inthe song.
(36:53):
Yeah, I think it worked.
You know, obviously it works.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
look what they did right, still, yeah, yeah, I
agree with you, you know, I Ithink that the best, uh, you
know, you have people who cansing anything, you have people
who can sing the phone book, andthen there's sometimes when the
artist just connectsdifferently to the lyric,
whether it be they wrote thesong or whether it be they have
an experience with the song, andso, yeah, I think you can feel
that as a listener, you know,yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
So what's the name of your German shepherd, letto?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Letto.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
How we were eating at an Italian restaurant in East
Nashville called Nicoletto's.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
And we're driving back to our place and we saw
this poor dog on the side of theroad.
You know, a little puppy and hewas.
We didn't know he was a puppyat the time, as a matter of fact
, you know he's a GermanShepherd.
He was already a decent sizeand so.
But you know, he wasmalnourished, he was dirty, he
was eating out of trash, and sowe were just like, oh, we gotta
check this guy out.
so we lured him into the carwith nick leto's mac and cheese
(37:52):
uh-huh, so it's the man leto,and so the first, the first
several months, you know, as youcan imagine having a rescue dog
like was just getting healthyyou know, it was.
He was super sick, he wasskinny, he was.
He had so many things wrongwith him and uh, but it has been
the most incredible journeyever.
Like it's the firstresponsibility I've had as an
adult.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Like yeah, but you know they're part of the fam
yeah you'll be bringing them outon tour, you're gonna be doing
all these different things Imean yeah we've had dogs forever
, yeah, and normally we have to.
Um, we just lost one, not toolong ago.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
it's a cancer, though , and that was a rescue, and
that was we.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Never thought we would lose Nike before we you
know another dog.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
No it's just they become attached and they become
part of your life, and whenyou're just sitting there alone
and just having your dog sitnext to you and love you and
just it's the best.
It is next to you and love youand just it's the best.
It is man.
Yeah, and that makes you think,because we saw them at crs that
brought the puppies in.
Yeah, and my wife doesconferences and she makes sure
(38:56):
that there are these I don'tknow what they call them, but
they bring the puppies in and inbetween sessions they want you
to go and hold the puppies andpet the puppies and I think it
just takes all that stress andall that just out of you by
doing that.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
So yeah they.
They have a their man's bestfriend for a reason.
I don't know what it is, butwhen I wish I had gotten him
sooner like I know that hewasn't born yet.
But looking back at my life,I'm like dang I think I would
have been a lot happier if I hadfound him and he had found me
sooner, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah so you, I mean, do you realize where you are in
your career?
Do you know how close you are?
Like?
I was looking over things todayand I saw when the the single's
going to drop and I'm like, man, leave me here and just kind of
do something with that.
A little bit earlier I've hadit so well, I'm getting the eye,
yeah, yeah, I know that it it'slike we like how you think,
(39:55):
yeah, until we're down two spins.
Then it's like, yeah, no, it'sall good, all good love you guys
really I do.
I respect, I respect the artistsimmensely uh, the labor reps
just the same, because withoutthem you wouldn't be able to do
what you're doing.
For example, you're heretonight and it's because of you,
know, you're right for bigmachines.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah well, I signed a record deal because I want.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I had a dream of being on the radio, so how was
it with, like what, scottburchetta, yeah, and that whole
gang?
You had a meeting with him.
How would you know how?
How did all that go?
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
So I was.
I was bartending in nashvilleum another.
You know I had I'd always hadmultiple jobs um, you know
coming I didn't come if youweren't in radio.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
You had several.
I'm just saying yeah, oh yeah.
Well, you got to be anywhere,and everywhere at all no, no,
I'm just saying we have severaljobs for, uh, the pay-to-bills.
Oh yeah, never mind, go ahead.
Yeah, well, well, that was.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
That was me as well, you know, I mean, I didn't come
from a family who allowed, youknow, like you move to Nashville
and you realize, well, there'sa lot of money here.
You know what I mean.
And, uh, I ran into that, youknow, quite often, where, you
know, maybe somebody was takingsomebody's family was taking
care of this, but they didn'thave to work or whatever you
know, and and then also try togo to the studio, write and
(41:07):
record songs.
You know, the pandemic happened.
I lost all those jobs and uh,you know, uh, eventually, you
know, led to a moment where,having a party at my house and
uh, find myself, you know,crying in my GMC with the check
engine light on, because I'mrealizing I can't pay my rent, I
(41:32):
can, you know?
So I called my mom all saying,you know, asking her do you have
a bed for me to come back home?
to you know she said come onback.
Well, a buddy of mine found mehalf lit in the car.
Uh and you know uh saw what wasgoing on offered to help me pay
my rent.
I fought him on.
I didn't want to take him up onit, but you know, eventually he
persuaded me um, and that nextweek I found a job bussing
tables and, uh, they asked mehow many shifts I wanted.
I said every single one of them.
So I was working double shifts,17 hour shifts, work my way up
the server.
And then, uh, I got a jobbartending, and so bartending
(41:53):
was where in nashville, themoney was at, and so I
eventually got to record acouple songs.
And then I became good friendswith my bar manager, uh, and he
would sometimes make fun of meor tease me and and then play my
songs over the speakers duringthe during my shift.
How cool.
And I had been serving a coupleof these guys stella miller
light for a couple years and, uh, they heard the song they're
like is this you?
(42:13):
and I was like yeah that's me,he's just, you know, they just
make it fun and they're like, weactually really like the song.
Would you mind if we sent it toa friend of ours?
I said, yeah, sure, you know,not thinking'd love to take you
out to dinner.
And, um, you know, six monthslater I'm meeting Scott
Morishetta and Scott Morishettasaid I'd love to make some
(42:34):
records with you.
So, um, it's, uh, it's a greatfamily, it's a great team and uh
, you know, and trying to growthis fan base organically,
because it was a free way topromote music, I didn't have
marketing money.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
I didn't have a team.
I didn't have anybody helpingme.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
But I wanted to sign a record deal because I had a
dream of my songs being on theradio.
When I was a kid, I rode thepublic school bus.
I have a funny story about theschool bus because if you ride
the public school bus, all thecool kids sit in the back of the
bus.
You know, uh, I have a funnystory about the school bus
because you know, if you ridethe public school bus, everybody
, all the cool kids sit in theback of the bus.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
They do and.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
I was probably five or six years old and a couple
older cousins sitting back thereand, um, they were like hey, we
want to teach you some signlanguage.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
And I was like all right, what do you?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
got and they started putting one finger down after
the other one.
One finger stood up.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
That's old.
That's old school.
Yeah, look at my age.
We did that when I was on aschool bus.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah, nothing changes but the faces, they say.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
And they told me that the middle finger meant great
job and that I should go up andtell the school bus driver that
he was doing a great job drivingthe bus.
And I did.
Does anybody know this schoolbus driver that he was doing a
great?
Speaker 1 (43:49):
job driving the bus, and I did, and so, uh, does
anybody know this story?
Oh yeah, okay, I'm going.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Oh my god, I've told her at a couple of my shows.
And danny wright was my schoolbus driver, he knows he's like
oh yeah, I remember that.
And so we, we pulled over whenit was time to my stop.
He goes up, tells my mom what Idid and things like look, I
know it was these older kids,but I have to punish him.
I can.
I can't let the other kids seethat he did that and not get any
punishment.
So I never got to sit in theback of the bus again.
I had to sit beside him thewhole rest of the school year.
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But he loved country music.
He loved classic country music.
He had a little radio sitting uptop and so that's where I first
heard Don't Take the Girl.
That's where I first heardDon't Close your Eyes by Keith
Wheatley.
You know it's where I firstheard.
You know I remember crying tothere Goes my Life by Kenny
Chesney, because my parents hadme young, you know at 18 years
old, and you know so I was.
(44:35):
I remember being stopped in mytracks by songs that I heard on
the radio, and something I thinkthat is so unique and so
personal about the radio is thatwhen a song hits you at the
right moment at the right time.
It feels divine because it canmake you pull over to the side
of the road and wonder whatyou're doing with your life.
Because it wasn't AI, it wasn'ta made-up playlist.
You didn't go select the song.
(44:55):
Somebody chose that song at theright time you don't know who
did it and it came on at theright time for you, and that is
something that is just unique tothe radio and changed my life a
couple of times.
You know if I'm being honest.
And so my dream was to singcountry music and to be on the
radio.
And so when Scott Borch said, Isaid I want to make records
with you.
I said let's go.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Gosh, you just Look at Jane over there.
But no, you just said so muchof what I love to hear about
radio.
You know, and we have aconnection.
Now it's hometown, it's radio.
Yeah, it's so important to beon the radio, yeah, and nowadays
(45:35):
, you know, everybody's got adifferent avenue to get their
music.
Yeah, but radio will never goaway.
Radio will be there.
Radio we listen to, you get inyour car, you get in your truck,
it's the radio.
(45:56):
I know we have otheropportunities and I'm I may be
as guilty as others listening tovarious things, but when I know
I can go to my local radiostation, doesn't anybody in this
market that locally programmed?
Yeah, there's only a coupleleft, um, but um, that just it's
like, yes, this is real, I'mgetting my forecast, I'm getting
my traffic.
I'm hearing about artists thatare coming to town, maybe a
chase McDaniels coming to town,you know, headlining a show,
(46:18):
it's.
It's like I'm hearing thatlocally, it's about, it's about
us, it's about you know, andit's about artists like you.
Yeah, and there's a communityinvolved in that too.
Like you know, I heard himsniff.
I heard her sniffle.
Is she crying because we'retalking about radio?
Oh, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah,okay, okay, okay, might be
(46:40):
something in the pod zone.
I didn't tell you about itanyways, uh, but this has been a
great conversation and findingout a lot about you, but you
also have a gentleman here thattravels with you, john, over
there.
Yeah uh, the john wayne cattlecompany I, I I asked.
I said what's your name?
Again he goes john.
I guess I'm looking at the hatis that john wayne cattle
company, he goes no, I justfound this somewhere he's got
(47:02):
some john wayne vibes too, sohas he been with you.
Does he play with you on a?
Speaker 2 (47:05):
yeah, man, he's uh, he's been well, we well, we met
a few weeks ago and he, uh, he'sbeen on radio tour with me and,
uh, you know, what's awesomeabout john is is that we never
rehearsed.
He showed up and was a rockstar the first time.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Isn't that the best, though it's crazy, because you
know you don't have to worryabout you, only say that a
couple times.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I mean like in nashville's, full of great
guitar players.
But to have somebody show upand know the songs so well that
you're just like, hey, we don'thave time, we just got to go
into this and he nailed it.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
I have to ask you have your songs.
You met him just a few weeksago and he's playing your songs.
Yeah, does, is it, john?
Is because you knew who chasewas?
You need to listen to his music, or did you have a little
advance notice that you weregoing to go on the road with him
so you learned it, or this?
Speaker 2 (47:47):
is an interesting story.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
I can't wait I had about two day, two or three days
notice, something like that,but fortunately I had videos of
some radio shows, you know, so II could see how he did it right
right but then I mean, we met.
How long before that first, oh,we met 30 minutes before the
(48:10):
show.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, 30 minutes before the show you guys met.
I was from Nashville, I thinkyou were coming from.
La.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
We met in Phoenix and 30 minutes later we were at an
Air Force base in Phoenixplaying a show For the troops.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it was like a room of like 250
troops and we were like, oh man,we can't mess it up.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Right and he nailed it.
I had been nervous at a show ina while, but that kind of that
one kind of was like oh, my God.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
I'm kind of like freaking out a little bit.
What's it take to be somebodylike you, who you know you
traveling now with an artistthat, uh, you know he's right on
the edge of doing somethingreally, really good.
What's it, what's it take to dothat?
And you know, you obviously gotyour guitar and everything.
But talk to me about who youare and why you do it and what
does it take.
(48:58):
I mean really, this is apodcast, by the way so we kind
of drifted from chase.
We're over to John now.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Well, it takes being in Nashville meeting some of the
best musicians I've ever met inmy life, where it made me kick
everything up and I'm like theseguys are so good and they do
their homework, and the guysthat I look up to I'm like, ok,
I've got to do my homework andstay on top of it to keep doing
this.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Did you get a chance?
Did you record with anybody?
Have you done anything in thepast where you've been in the
studio?
Maybe somebody needed a guitarplayer?
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, I do some guitar tracking, do some
producing and I've toured withsome different artists and stuff
.
I've been doing kind of theNashville thing.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
I've been in town five years was in Texas before
that.
So I've been on the road about14, you like the texas country,
do you?
I was.
I was in the texas scene aboutseven years, a little bit of pat
green a little bit.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Uh, randy rogers, I mean, yeah, you know, that's
cool, that's cool.
I always wondered how you knowthat whole relationship.
Artist, guitar player.
Uh, do you really know eachother?
Well, you didn't until like 30minutes ago.
You know what I mean sometimes.
That's how it works.
You know um each other.
Well, you didn't until, like,30 minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
You know what I mean.
Sometimes that's how it works.
You know Um, you know and, and,and then you get a feel for,
like you know who won.
Like you know, because there'sdifferent playing styles too.
You know there's more of a rockvibe, there's more of a
traditional country vibe,there's more of um.
You know there's so manydifferent styles of of picking.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
And then you know there's so many different styles
of of picking.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
And then you know, sometimes it works, sometimes
it's.
You know something.
You got to work on this guy.
We didn't have to work on it atall.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
So you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
And then and then also, you know, it's gotta be
somebody that you can be on theroad with for weeks at a time
too, and John's a pretty awesomedude so.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
That's another thing.
There are a lot of greatplayers Sometimes are not the
best you know.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
yeah so you have to if you're gonna spend they might
, they might sleep withmayonnaise in their socks or
something.
I mean you, just you know, younever know with some of these
guys yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah and uh, you don't sing, john I'm trying to
get into.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
I know he's got.
He's got that, don't he?
I know everything I've triedlessons?
Speaker 1 (51:05):
I just no, but obviously you're very talented
at what you do, so you neverknow, it may work out someday.
And uh, you know um alissa.
Alissa is saying uh, I think aduet with avrianna would be
perfect oh, I've heard of her.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, she's.
Uh, she's blowing up on thestreaming right now.
Yeah, they got an awesome songout.
Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yeah, she says hi too by the way okay well, hey there
there you go, um, so, uh, it'sbeen a great conversation, uh,
finding out about you.
I mean, we went from you knowwho you are, we got really deep
and, uh, you know your historyand your past, which how you
overcame so much in your life.
Now look at you when you'vemade it to sit in the pod zone.
(51:45):
You have made it, but noseriously yeah uh, I know the
song is dropping real soon.
Yeah, um, you know, I it'sgonna, it's gonna be huge for
you I appreciate it huge and uh,I just want to say thanks for
coming are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (52:00):
oh, my man, thanks for having us.
Man, this place is awesome,dude.
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
This you know I told you a little history about this
and that when other artists usedto come by years ago before
COVID, we would get pizza, wingsand beer.
We didn't do that tonight.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
I apologize.
I'm looking at all yourpictures up here.
Some of my favorite artists arein this room signing notes to
you.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
I got everything from rock to the oldies to some
other Crazy, pretty cool stuff.
Thanks for helping me lose mytrack.
I was thinking, but you know,we talked everything about you
and all that and, like I saidwhen you, you, you're there,
(52:39):
you're there, dude, you're there.
It's going to be fun to towatch you grow and to get out
and see you and I have thefeeling you're going to be on
some of these big shows Maybe Idon't know when, I don't know
how all that works, but onceothers catch on with your music,
it's going to be.
You know we need to, we need todo whatever we need to do to
get them on whatever tour whichis going to be cool.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
I appreciate you, man .
It's so nice to have people whobelieve in in new artists.
Thank you for that.
Thank you for being a championfor somebody who's just trying
his best to make my mom and dadall proud.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
I feel like I've known you forever.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
That's what the PodZone does.
I think it does.
This is my world.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Just don't look at me on a Sunday morning when I'm
sitting down here in my boxersjust playing music, because
that's what I do, I love that.
I'll just sitting down here inmy boxers, just playing music,
because that's what I do.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
I love that, that's what I do.
I'll just come down here, closethe door.
Everybody else is sleeping.
I'm good to get my coffee.
You gotta have a.
You gotta have a peaceful place.
What do you, what do you call,like, the place that you go to?
In your mind you're, um, you're, you're, you're, you're.
What's your go-to place?
You know, I'm sitting herethinking of a Gatlinburg
mountain river.
I don't know what do they callthat.
Your, your happy place, yourhappy place.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
You're right, like you know some place in the
mountains where there's nobodyaround you know, it's just
here's the issue that I run into.
When I started thinking aboutthat, my wife and I would be
driving and let's say, we'retaking a trip and it's like.
There's nothing around.
This is so nice.
Well, what am I going to do forgroceries?
Where am I going to go to themall?
Where am I going to?
I said, well, honey, so it's alittle bit of a drive, okay.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
But no, it's just to be in that.
You know that frame of mind isjust so awesome.
But thank you for coming by.
Somebody wants to get a hold ofyour music.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Chase music.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, uh, chase me, daniel music everywhere
everywhere, just and just yeah,and you do all these socials.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yes, sir, yeah, all that, and I didn't ask you about
that, but you were doing a lotof that yourself, right?
Speaker 2 (54:34):
yeah, yeah.
So, uh, you know, I I'm I'mgetting, I'm allowing more and
more help to to help me, uh, butit's been hard.
You know, like I, I that'ssomething that's my baby, you
know, I started, uh, postingthose videos but, like I said,
because it was just a free wayto help people find my music.
And so, uh, you know, luckily Ido have an amazing team now,
but it's I'm always going to bethe one uh on socials there.
(54:58):
So, yeah, chase me down.
Music anywhere, yeah, anywhere.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
You All right, but thank you for coming by.
We're going to, we're going tosign off now, but we're going to
come back and we're going toplay you a couple of songs.
So I just need to do what Ineed to do on my end and Chase
will get his guitar out andwe'll play a couple of tunes and
we'll call it a night.
Let's go Love it.
Chase McDaniel, everybody,thanks for coming by and hang on
, because you're
Let's do this.
We are live.
Hello everybody, and what's up?
Yeah, welcome back.
It's another episode of SkipHappens.
You know it's the podcast wherewe talk all things country
music.
You're gonna love this man.
You know life on the road.
We're gonna find out about that, the stories behind the songs.
(00:20):
I'm your host, skip Clark, youknow that, and we always bring
you the best in country music.
And tonight we've got a specialguest, a rising star, who's
been making waves Powerhousevocals.
You'll find out, you'll hearhim and go holy crap.
Honest storytelling andundeniable country grit.
(00:41):
I love the grit part of it too.
And if you haven't heard, uh,his music yet, well, you're
about to become a fan real quick.
Uh, please welcome.
He's uh sitting right over here.
If I hit the right buttonyou're gonna be able to see him.
It's chase mcdaniel, yo heywhat's up, man?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
good to be here.
Hey, welcome to the pod zone.
Dude, this is sick brother.
This is amazing.
I have to ask have?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
you ever been like invited to somebody's house to
go do the podcast?
This is first.
This is amazing stuff.
I have to ask have you everbeen like invited to somebody's
house to go do the podcast?
This is first this is first.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, this is awesome .
This is this is it.
This is the real deal.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, this is killer you know, I love it.
This is my, uh, my littleheaven, oh yeah to speak a man
cave.
I don't know if that's theproper word to use nowadays.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I can get behind it, get behind it, I hope heaven
looks a little bit like this oh,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Well, this has happened to me.
Yeah, this is heaven to me.
So, hey, I do want to welcomeyou officially to the pod zone.
Good stuff going on.
As you can see, he's rightthere.
I know the cameras are kind ofkind of funky.
There you are.
There you are.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
How long you've been growing that hair, dude uh,
since I couldn't afford ahaircut, so um you're honest.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That's why it comes.
Honest storytelling.
I totally get that probably2018.
Yeah, can you um tell us alittle bit about your background
and how you got started incountry music?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
yeah, so growing up, um, my great grandpa was just a
huge bluegrass fan.
So you know he would go to thisplace called renfro valley in
kentucky and he would bring meback guitar picks and things
like that.
And the first CD he ever got mewas Josh Turner's Long Black
Train and he was like I want youto learn this song and sing it
for a family reunion.
And I was like eight years old Ihad no bass in my voice or
(02:15):
anything, but I just got hookedon that record.
I mean I just played it.
It was the first piece of musicI could call mine, you know.
And um, then my other papawsang bass in a gospel quartet
and so there was really therewasn't really any live music in
Kentucky, like we were a dryCounty, so like to go to a bar
or to go to a venue like thatwas like hours away.
So the only live music I knewwas bluegrass gospel.
(02:38):
That was in the church, and sothose first records were Josh
Turner, randy Travis, youvis,you know, keith whitley.
And then in I think it was likefourth grade, I traded a pack
of pokemon cards for an acdcrecord and then I found rock and
roll shook me all night long.
Baby, yeah, a little tnt it wasthe back in black record.
Yeah, the back was black.
(02:59):
It was.
Yeah, it was definitely one ofthose songs.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, and they still play it today go to a wedding I
guarantee you're gonna hearabout um.
You shook me all night long?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
yeah, I was.
I remember being like nine andtrying to figure out what he was
saying and being like, did hejust say american thighs?
Like I'm trying to put ittogether because, like, when
you're not, you're like you.
I hadn't heard lyrics like thatbefore right like I'm hearing
gospel lyrics and all of asudden there's a song where
there it's uh, you know what dothey call it?
Not safe for work I love it um.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You know you have that josh turner sound, oh cool
I mean, you've got that baritone, you've got the bass going.
Now I don't know when you saidyou didn't have it at the age of
eight and that's probably not,but still, but still, I could do
.
You do any of that like longblack train in any of your sets
at all, just because you havethat voice, not anymore, I think
but you did well, yeah, when Iwas like a teenager, I would go?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I'd go around town.
My papa would have me goingchurch to church singing long
black train or um, they wouldhave probably called me the josh
turner impersonator ofgreensburg, kentucky, when I was
16 17 years old.
That's a good thing, though.
Well, I wasn't good at it.
I was the only kid doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, well, somebody was doing it, it was you.
That's what matters.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
If there was a demand , I was the only one offering
the supply.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Chase McDaniel, let me ask what inspired you to
pursue a career in country music?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I just loved country music more than anybody I knew,
growing up in a small towncalled Greensburg and it was a
country music town, so everyoneloved country music, but still I
think I loved it more thananybody there.
So you know, I burned thoserecords up like just you
wouldn't believe.
I just connected to music in away that didn't make sense to
(04:42):
anybody other than me.
My grandparents took me in whenI was a kid and my papa would
sing.
I wanted to be like my papa.
He was my hero, he'd sing inthese churches and so I wanted
to learn songs just to sing inchurch.
Then I got a car, got a radioand before you know it I was
(05:02):
wanting to sing country songsthat fit my voice.
I always had that, you know,thick kentucky accent.
You know, when I moved tonashville people always asked me
boy, you from alabama, yeah,like you from around here or
something, and I'm from kentucky.
So, um, not too far up the road, but um, well, yeah, I can tell
.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
If music doesn't work out for you, which I don't
think that's going to be anissue here um, from what I've
heard already and what I've seen, but you could be a voiceover
talent, you could be a voiceoverartist.
You look at john down there.
He's agreeing.
Now here's the guy that's withyou all the time and this guy,
he's got the voice too, man Imean he's.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I try to get him to sing, but he won't do it.
But no look at how quiet he is,but he's got that, he's got
that grab, he's's got that.
You're Louisiana, right,arkansas, arkansas.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
He's got that.
Arkansas.
I'm from Arkansas, yeah,exactly.
So if I am, your hometown, iswhat?
Again?
Greensburg?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So I'm driving down the road and I drive into
Greensburg.
What will be the first thing?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I'll see A lot of nothing, a lot of nothing, it's
okay.
It's okay.
A whole lot of nothing, it'sokay, it's okay.
You, uh, I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Stop sign.
It's got to be a grocery storeor something.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
We actually are just now getting a grocery store.
I saw that on Facebook today.
Well, um, cause we used to haveto go to Walmart in Camelsville
, which was 10 miles down theroad.
Um, so, first thing, there wasa McDonald's, there was a
stoplights.
The schools are big there, so,like you know, we've got there.
Everybody's into the highschool football, baseball.
Oh, you know basketball teams.
My brother is a senior thisyear and they were ranked six in
(06:30):
the state in basketball and sothat was like the whole county
shut down for them.
Man, like that well, that's coolit is man, it was just, you
know, hometown support, so uh,but yeah, we had a mcdonald's.
We had a least famous recipewhich I've only ever seen in
Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
A Least.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
What it's a chicken house, we could just call it the
chicken house we call it thechicken house.
So you go there, you get friedchicken with some sweet tea and
a Dairy Queen.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Everybody's got a DQ.
Come on, everybody's got a DQand that's about it.
No, that's hometown, yeah, uh,that means more than anything
yeah, absolutely, you know andeverybody knows everybody,
somebody needs something,somebody's there to help, both
good and bad, which is reallygood.
So I want to hear a little bitabout your song burn down heaven
(07:14):
.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, so tell us about that yeah, I'm like I was
raised by my grandparents.
You know, like I said, mygrandparents took me when I was
10 or 11 years old.
So I go back home often, youknow, to see mamaw and papaw.
My mamaw, papaw are mom and dad.
So, uh, they're 82, 83 and, uh,my papaw was a preacher of a
country church growing up.
So, um, he always has these likelittle aphorisms and stuff and
(07:35):
things that he'll say that I'mlike dang, that's a, it's a
country song.
You know, I gotta hear, I gottawrite that down.
And so one weekend I was backhome and he said, you know, I
think I would turn down heavenfor your mamaw, meaning that if
he had the chance to liveforever and never say goodbye,
that he would take thatopportunity over going to heaven
.
And so I sat down with myguitar one night when I got back
to Nashville trying to write alove song called Turn Down
(07:57):
Heaven and realized that thatwasn't my story.
I was trying to write someoneelse's story, and which you do
as a songwriter sometimes.
And and well, I, as I wasplaying my guitar, I
accidentally said the phraseburn down heaven by accident.
And so, uh, you know the way Iwas brought up.
It felt like lightning hadstruck my body.
(08:19):
Like yeah, I shouldn't have saidthat one.
And um, you know, like I haddone something wrong or
something you know, and and so.
But I sat with it for a second.
I thought, you know well, maybemy subconscious is trying to
tell me something.
What does that mean?
And um, it took me back to atime in my life where, uh, I
felt like I had done somethingunforgivable, like I had done
(08:40):
the worst thing imaginable,which would be burning down
heaven, you know, and I had donethe worst thing imaginable,
which would be burning downheaven.
And I thought when is it in mylife when it felt like God and
all the angels were pointingtheir finger at me like I had
just done something wrong?
And it was when I had hurtsomebody that I really cared
about and truly it was me thathad it forgiven me.
I hadn't forgiven myself, andso writing the song was, I think
(09:05):
, the beginning process of meforgiving myself for that and
for a whole lot more.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
you know it's the meaning.
It goes deeper.
You hear it and you think onething, but the reality is it
goes a lot deeper.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
And that's I get it.
Yeah, I get it.
It's funny.
Tyler, our producer over there,just kind of.
I think he's kind of starstruckright now because and I'll tell
you why I have a little bit ofa story when I he goes.
Okay, who do we have on thepodcast tonight?
(09:34):
And I said, well, chasemcdaniel's gonna stop over and
he goes wait, big machine, yeah,he goes.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
He's on my playlist.
Oh, that's awesome playlist,let's go, let's go.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So yeah, I just you know he's like he was over here
in two minutes, come on no,thank you so good, he uh, and
Tyler helps me out a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But let's talk about your musical style.
How would you explain that tosomebody that does not know you?
Yeah, somebody says hey, tellme about your musical style.
What would you tell them?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I would say, if you put Josh Turner and ACDC in a
room together and told them to,figure it out.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
No, I would like to hear that that could be really
something.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, it is, it's country, it's a little bit of
rock and roll and it's just,it's honest.
I think the lyrics are some ofthe most vulnerable things that
I could say.
They're all true stories aboutmy life and you know I'm on a
mission in country music.
You know I'm on a mission toyou know, to share the things
(10:27):
that I've personally struggledwith.
You know the things that myfamily has gone through, the
things that I've went throughthat you know, growing up in a
small town, like I did, wedidn't talk about.
And so you know, I think thereason I wanted to be an artist,
or the reason that that itchwas inside me, was because I
loved country music so much andI never heard my story me was
because I loved country music somuch and I never heard my story
(10:49):
.
And so I think that is whatcaused me to become a writer.
Was that in order for my storyto be represented, I had to
write it myself.
Wow, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Now, do you write a lot by yourself or do you team
up with others and go towriter's nights and do all that?
Yeah, both.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Both I started out for years writing by myself.
I only really recently startedwriting with other people and
you know I've got some amazingco-writers.
My producer on my record comingout in August his name is
Lindsey Rimes.
He's just absolutely incredible.
He's worked on Nate Smith'srecord and done a lot of his
stuff and so we linked up and wegot a really awesome song one
(11:24):
day and a lot of his stuff and,and so we linked up and we got a
really awesome song one day,and then I was like oh, I think
we should maintain thisfriendship?
How long?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
have you been playing ?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
oh uh, eight, yeah well yeah, yeah, I think I
probably sang in church for thefirst time when I was about 12,
maybe and um, and then afterthat I think I took a couple
breaks here and there, and thenafter that I think I took a
couple of breaks here and thereand then you know probably
really when really my first gig?
I was 15.
My papaw took me to this placecalled uh, it was Lincoln
Jamboree.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
You still remember that.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Oh yeah, that's awesome.
And, um, there was a guy there.
It was kind of like a smalltown Opry type deal that's what
they were trying to try to doand so you'd go in there's like
a theater, you know and thefolks would come in, they get
dinner, they get dinner and ashow, and so he'd pay you 50
bucks, this thing for about fourhours.
(12:13):
But you had to impress the guy,he had to impress him, and so
he took me in there one daybackstage and he said, you know,
here's my grandson, he likes tosing and I really like to help
him.
You know, get on the show here.
And he said, well, what can hesing?
And so he said we'll play himum, folsom Prison Blues.
And so, you know, at 15 I'msinging Johnny Cash, and he's
like, well, all right.
And then he let me, uh, hop onthe show at school and 50 bucks
(12:34):
at 15 years old is a lot ofmoney gas in the tank.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, that's right yeah maybe, maybe a little bit
of gas in the tank gas in thetank and a movie theater ticket.
Yeah, there you go, there yougo.
That's pretty cool.
Tell me about the uh, yourdebut album, the lost ones yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So lost ones is the is one, it's a, it's a title to
one of my favorite songs on thealbum, and then two, it's the
title of the album so coming outin august.
Um, so lost ones is the theme,it's the template of everything
that I've been writing andreally just my life story up to
this point.
You know, um, like I said, mygrandparents took me in when I
was a kid and that was becausemy dad was an addict, um, and
(13:11):
gave me everything that you knowyou could, uh, that you should
have as a kid.
You know it was unconditionallove there, it was safety, it
was, you know, taught me to gochase my dreams.
That you know it was.
It was a good time at my momand papa's house, um, you know.
That being said, you know therewere early scars, there were
things that, um, that I saw,that I went through that, uh,
you wouldn't wish on any kid.
(13:32):
And and so, you know, as I gotolder and and really even then,
you know, I struggled withthings like mental health.
You know, I I most of my life Ihave been battling with the dark
side of my mind and so, um, youknow that all kind of came to a
head and, um, one night I was,uh found myself standing over a
bridge at three in the morningin Louisville, kentucky, feeling
like I couldn't make it anotherday alive, when a guy pulled me
(13:54):
back over and uh told me that Iwas important, told me that I
mattered, and told me that I hadto keep fighting because I'd
made it so far.
And you know how could this beany different?
I got to keep going today, andso my mission is to travel the
country and to write these songsand sing these songs and to
spread that same message topeople who are, whether they're
(14:14):
on their last day, or they'regoing through a hard time, or
they don't see the light at theend of the tunnel.
I have been fortunate enough tohave had this connective thread
lead me to this incredibleplace, this arrival to where I'm
chasing my dream right now, andthings are going pretty good
right now, and I feel good rightnow in my head and in my soul,
(14:36):
and so if.
I can take a little bit of that,go back into the tunnel and
tell everybody that, hey, itdoesn't have to end here, it can
get better.
That's what I'm doing is I'mout to, I'm out to find the lost
how old?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
how old were you when you went through that episode,
for example, being on the bridgeand all that?
How?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
old were you?
It was, it was for years, butthe bridge incident I think I
was probably 21 maybe 22 a lotof stuff going through your mind
at that age.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, a lot of stuff, yeah and my dad.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
We had just lost my dad.
Um, oh geez, he had been anaddict for 17 years and he
eventually just decided that hewas done himself.
So and that was.
I'm so sorry.
Well, thank you, but you know,so in my family we just that was
something that we didn't knowhow to process my grandparents.
(15:21):
They lost two sons One was myuncle and then the one that was
my dad.
So, but I'm growing up in thishouse that has just, you know,
it's been bombarded with griefand you know I didn't know what
to do with that, I think, and soI think my brain just did what
any brain would do and it triedto protect me.
My brain was trying to protectme, but I didn't recognize it as
(15:44):
that and, um, and I foundmyself in some really dark
moments.
But you know, I I think thatthere's the light at the end of
the tunnel, of that is that Ican now tell people hey, um,
you're not alone, right, I haveseen the other side and, and you
know I've been, I've been thereto where it felt like no one
could possibly feel this bad.
It doesn't make sense thatanyone else in the world has
(16:04):
ever felt like this before.
There's no way, but I did.
I felt like that.
My brain was that sick and thenI still got to the other side
and I just want to tell peoplethat's possible no, and did you
feel like nobody could tell youdifferent?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
yeah, absolutely, I went through a lot of that.
Yeah, many, many, many yearsago, not off a bridge, but yeah,
same idea.
Yeah and um, but you don'trealize.
I mean, I had people tell me,tell me all sorts of stuff and I
didn't want to listen to them.
Yeah, I didn't care.
Yeah, but uh, I know we're inthe pod zone now, but that that
young lady right upstairs savedmy life, oh, wow, and that's how
(16:37):
we became who we are.
Yeah and uh, just yeah.
So I mean, I I get all chokedup talking about it.
But hearing it from you and thestories and they're not stories,
it's real life, it's real lifeand I don't think there's
anybody that doesn't go throughany.
I don't think you could havethe best marriage you could have
(16:57):
.
You still have these demonsthat are there.
Yeah, and I'm getting all thechicken noodles here, but it's
yeah, they're there.
And to hear it from somebodylike you that you know, you've
been through it, you've lostloved ones, you've seen
addiction.
Look where you are now.
You're on the verge of being astar.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Well, you are.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
You're putting music out to radio, it is awesome.
I mean mean good example is youknow tyler over there, he's
looking, always looking for goodmusic and he's got great taste
and when you know.
So you have made I'm usingtyler as an example here but you
have made, uh, an example ofyourself saying, hey, I can do
this, and other people that youknow maybe somebody's going to
(17:42):
be watching this or somebodylistening to this will hear the
story and know that, yeah, thereis another side.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I really don't give up.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I really hope so.
Wow, man, we just got prettydeep.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And I think that that's good, I think that that's
okay.
You know I try to, as I'm doingthis, I want to encourage those
conversations, you know,because, uh, when those
conversations aren't had,there's no progress to be made.
You know, like when, the, whenthe truth is locked inside of
you and can't go anywhere else,it's.
You know, we we wrote a songrecently, um, you know it's
going to be on the album.
(18:15):
It's called mind on fire andit's just kind of this, it's the
story.
It's it's that.
And uh, you know, uh, one of myfriends in the room, brett
warren, he's also in recoverythe Warren Brothers, yeah, and.
I love those guys.
Oh my God, they're so amazing.
Oh my God, who doesn't?
We've got stories about theWarren.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Brothers, let me tell you he's incredible.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Well, he said this line as we were talking.
That's something that he heardin recovery.
He said you're only as sick asyour secrets and I said we got
to put that in a song.
Yeah, absolutely, and so we ranupstairs as fast as we could and
we wrote that song in probably45 minutes, you know, and
finished.
The song called Mind on Fireand it's just so true.
You know the more that you havelocked inside the moment that
(18:54):
you can be honest.
You know, when that guy pulledme back over no-transcript, as
painful as it was, it was like aweight had been lifted for the
first time too.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
So you know, that kind of leads me to ask this
question about the album, andyou're talking about that song
that's going to be on the album,would you say that's a one that
holds a very special place inyour heart, especially
meaningful to you more than someof the other ones.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, I think they're all good.
I'm sure they all havesomething to them.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, I'm sure they all have something to them.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, I think so.
You know well, the ones thatare going to mean the most to me
are the ones that you know, Ithink are just were
underrepresented in my personallistening.
You know, growing up, and sothe ones that you know talk more
about the internal struggles ofthe mind, the soul, whatever
those are always going to be.
You know my favorites, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Burned down heaven.
We talked about that a littlebit, but it's already getting
attention.
I know your label has been uhin touch with me about that song
and they're doing a great job,by the way, just so you know uh
they're awesome.
Yeah, I know you do and thinkabout everybody that's on your,
not only your team, but look atthe label that you're working
with and the artists that are onthat label.
(20:05):
My God Pretty humbling yeah.
I'd be like, Holy shit, somebodypinched me.
But how does it feel knowingthat your music is really
starting to hit a lot of people?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, it's, it's kind of this.
It's just, I didn't expect it.
To be honest, you know, I Iwrote songs, I think, to ease my
mind.
That was that was my goal, wasto just feel better.
Um, and then the most amazingthing happened was I found out
that, you know, I'm not alone.
And and there are so manypeople, uh, that connect with
this and it's it's really reallypowerful, really cool.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So release?
What's the date of that?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
it's august something , yeah, yeah, they could
probably tell you better than Icould.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I'm looking at your team over there.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Part of your team the one person that's here from the
team it was hard enough towrite the song.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, I know how long did it take you to write all
those songs?
Um, I I took pretty quick, andothers correct?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
yeah, yeah, so I mean this is.
I've been working on these mywhole life, so you know some of
these I started, started andleft and came back to, and
others you know I wrote, youknow in less than an hour or so,
but I took off most of the yeartouring last year to just focus
on writing this album.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah had to get it done.
Yeah, had to get it done,putting them all in the closet.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So when the time is ready.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
That's right.
That's right.
When the cool and uh, you knowwhat's gonna.
What's next for you after thealbum release?
You're gonna be hitting sometours.
You're gonna be going out doyou know of anything?
That's uh.
Chase mcdaniel's gonna be ontour with whoever, whatever,
wherever.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yet I don't know anything yet, but uh, well,
you're with big machine, I'msure there's big things coming.
So yeah, but I'm excited forthe album to come out, excited
for the you know as many peopleuh in the world who want to hear
it, to hear these songs.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I love that man.
So when you're not playingmusic, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Ooh, that's a great question.
Um, let's see, when I'm notplaying music, I love to go
fishing when I get the chance.
Uh, I've been in Nashville nowfor nine years and I was going
to ask how long you were there.
Yeah.
So you know I love to go backhome.
You know I go back home to seemamaw and papaw as often as I
can and uh, you know that's, thebusier you get, the harder that
gets.
But you know, even a coupleweekends ago, in the middle of
(22:11):
radio tour, I made my way backhome to see mamaw, papaw for the
weekend.
So, uh, I stop in there, I hangout and see, see friends how
does the uh, the hometown treatyou?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
are you being, I mean the hometown radio?
I mean maybe the 12 or 15people in your town.
That, no, I'm kidding.
But, still your hometown radioand all that.
Look what you're doing.
How do they treat you?
Are they playing you?
Are they getting you out andsaying hey, chase McDaniel, he's
our hometown guy?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
It's pretty cool man, I love it.
I go back home.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Kind of float.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah Well, my hometown is is really amazing
and you know there's, there areso few places.
Uh, you know that that I can goand not know somebody, or had
went to school with somebody, orsomebody's daughter or cousin
knows me, and so you know I'llpull, I'll go to the drive-thru
at the chicken house and youknow I get a sweet tea and I'll
go to the drive-thru at thechicken house and you know I get
a sweet tea.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I'll never forget that.
Now it's going to be, we'll goto the chicken house and we're
taking pictures and stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
So it is really cool.
And you know, I went home to mybrother's ball game.
They had like a rivalry gamegoing on.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Oh, basketball, you were telling me that right, yeah
, and the they had played mysongs over the.
How does that feel?
It's pretty wild, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I wasn't expecting that you were there.
They knew I was there.
Okay, yeah, I've heard.
I've heard them saying I don'tknow that this is true or not
somebody was telling me thatthey used one of my songs during
the uh, the interchange in thebaseball and football games and
stuff like that like.
But it was cool to be there andyou know like that that's my
high school, though you know.
So to feel that you know whatI'm doing isn't embarrassing
(23:48):
them at the very least is cool.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Come on, dude, I'm just just chatting with you and
being a radio guy and doing whatI do, and I hear your voice.
It's just I don't know, dude,it's, there's something good
about that.
I mean just that.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Just that, you know, just chatting just chatting,
yeah, let alone once we hear acouple of songs here um, well,
your, your, your, your awesomeroom is maybe just making it,
you know, magical.
You got a magical room here,brother it is magical.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You need to tell others about this.
You know you gotta live that,so, um, I'm trying to think.
So when you're home're home, doyou drive a?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
pickup.
I drive a Honda right now.
Yeah, so I had a GMC.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I try to guess what an artist drives, and I'm wrong
every single time.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I had a GMC that I had to change the engine twice,
and so I literally got onConsumer Reports what's the most
reliable vehicle in the world?
And I found the Honda Civic.
They are, though.
But they're also one of themost stolen vehicles.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Oh, I didn't know that wow, yeah, yeah, they're so
tiny, people come up and takethem, uh, but no, it's always I.
I always try to guess.
When I interview an artist,it's like, okay, I'm gonna guess
.
It's uh, okay, you got asilverado.
It's 1500.
You know, nope got a key.
Yeah, yeah, you know, that'snope got a nissan yeah, you know
it's like oh, okay, okay, andwhat year?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
uh, I think it's uh, 2012, yeah you know, yeah, some
of you know some of us aretrying to get good gas mileage,
you know no, no, and you should,and you should what was, uh,
like one of your first jobs ever, my first job was at burger
king.
Uh yeah, my papa woke me up onmy 16th birthday.
He said, hey, wake up, you'relate, and was like, what are you
talking about?
He threw me my uniform.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
He's like I got you a job at Burger King.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
So my papa.
He was a teacher in my hometowntoo.
He was at the local universitythere and so he was well
renowned there.
He was everyone's favoriteteacher, just this brilliant guy
.
So he would go to burger king.
Uh, once he retired and readbooks for like six to eight
hours a day and so he knew allthe staff at burger king and
(25:51):
he's like hey, I got a grandsonjust turned 16.
He needs a job.
They're like we'll bring him in.
So he threw me my uniform andsaid you're late, so so um I'm
looking at some of the commentshere.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Uh, do you have a kentucky fried chicken?
Jason kranz, you know jason bychance.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
He he's a radio guy in the midwest yeah, yeah, so we
have one in camelsville, whichis 10 miles from my hometown,
and so it's interesting.
So green county is, greensburgis my hometown, where I went to
school, camelsville is where mymom and papa all live, so I
would go back and forth.
And the crazy thing about thisis that I grew up on the time
zone.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Change the line are Are you like right there?
Yes, so if you go one way,you're an hour behind.
You go the other way and it'slike crap.
I don't know what time it is.
Am I late?
Am?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I early Bingo.
So Campbellsville was onEastern time, greensburg was on
Central time.
We called it fast time and slowtime.
I never knew it as anythingelse.
So when I went to school, whenI went to college, I asked my
professor is that test on fasttime or slow time?
And he's like are you stupid?
What are you doing?
Maybe you shouldn't go to thisschool.
(26:52):
Yeah, but I get where you'recoming from, yeah yeah, but I
literally, when I got asmartphone, my phone would
change time zones from one sideof the house to the other side
of the house.
That's how bad it was.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So you never knew what time you were in be in the
living room and it's noon yeah,go to the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
It's one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, it was confusing, man you know, sarah
uh is saying please come tosyracuse, um, sarah, he's
sitting right here, he's here,um, but uh, how cool.
But uh, you know, we'd love toget you here absolutely I would
love to put you in front of alot of fans.
Yeah, as you know, the way Ialways say when it comes to
radio, in the relationship withthe artist and putting you on
that stage, it's it's always onefan at a time.
(27:36):
We build with that and it's thesame thing for radio.
That's what we do one fan at atime.
I love that man, or maybe, inyour case, 10 fans at it you're
doing really well, let's seewhat else we have here before we
, uh, uh, move on, but I don'tknow what's going on.
Do, do so.
You like the pod zone?
Huh, sorry about the pizza.
(27:57):
We didn't have the pizzatonight.
No, okay, we're good.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So, uh, somebody says you're a cutie well, they need
to get their eyes checked.
Uh, there's probably not.
Now that I look at it, I thinkthat's my neighbor it is, it's
maria.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Oh man, it's funny because, um, I love this
neighborhood and I don't knowabout you, I'm this I was great
as people walking dogs and it'snighttime that's what it is, and
there's two streets in thisneighborhood.
Yeah, you know, you saw uh rossi, our dog when you came in, who
attacked you.
Uh, but in a good way,beautiful.
But it's a neighborhood whereeverybody, probably like you in
(28:37):
your small town, where everybodyknows each other and everybody
helps each other, and it's likeyou know, hey, how are you?
The sun is out, everybody's outin their yard.
Yeah, you know, yeah, in themiddle of december, february,
january, we don't see anybody.
But uh, well, dude, we don'tblame them.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
We get a lot of snow yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I don't see a lot of snow.
I know, james over there, a lot.
For example, we will get a footof snow overnight.
School bus still goes by in themorning because we have the
equipment to handle the roads.
The men and women do a greatjob here, but we get what they
call lake effect snow have you?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
ever heard of that?
No, I've not heard of that,didn't think so?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Because, we're so close to Lake Ontario I'm not a
meteorologist, but we are soclose to Lake Ontario that when
you get a cold wind that blowsacross the lake, it comes from
the northwest, it picks up themoisture from the lake and dumps
(29:33):
it all on syracuse, this wholepart of new york state.
So, for example, we could getuh, I know one town got one
snowfall, got over six feet, ohmy god, and that was just over
this past winter.
Wow, yeah, wow, yeah, it's justamazing.
It's just amazing.
That's crazy, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
But back to the music well, I was gonna say we went
up to main uh a few weeks agoand I'd never been that far
north before and it was my firsttime seeing snow up to the
mailboxes.
Yeah, so like all you could seewas the box, not the actual.
It was the pole.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
As you pulled into the pod zone here, the mailbox
at the end of the driveway, itwas over that.
Wow, it was over that, but thething is it goes away fast.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Worry about flooding, so oh wow, you know, think
about that, yeah, the water'sgot to go somewhere.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
That's crazy.
Yeah, it is crazy.
Really nuts, really nuts.
So what?
What sports you like?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
basketball yeah, I well, I grew up playing football
all my life and then, um, also,I did competitive weightlifting
.
So I know that's like reallyrandom, yeah, but uh, my, my
grandpa and my dad did it andand so, um, I did that most of
my life.
The football team would do itin the offseason as they get all
the football teams in the statetogether and you just see who
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could outbench and deadliftHow'd your school do Football.
We did pretty good, Not too bad.
I was better at theweightlifting than I was at
football In my weight class.
I did pretty good.
I went on to college to do thatand did a clean jerk.
One day I caught the weightwrong or something.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
You call it a clean, jerk.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
A clean and jerk.
Yeah, you pick it up, you throwit all the way to your
shoulders.
You stand up and then you throwit over your head.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Sounded kind of obscene.
I didn't know what a clean jerkwas.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
It's not the best name for what it is.
You've got to be careful.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Do you still work out , though, is that?
Something in your routine.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah, I wish I could, but I had that injury.
I passed out and I hit my head.
I woke up in a casket machine.
I was like 19 when that happens.
I had horrible amnesia.
I didn't know who I was.
I did the real deal concussionand so um yeah, I didn't realize
how bad of an effect that hadon me until I.
(31:29):
You know, every time I went tothe gym I had to run out after
about 10 minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I was, like you know, gotta get in the the yips, I
think so I do have to ask aboutyour routine a little bit,
because here we are it's in theevening, or you know, we're in
the pod zone but on a radio tour.
Most, if not, well, probablypretty much all of them maybe a
few in the afternoon, but mostare in the morning.
Don't you go in and like, hey,we're here 7 am, yeah, all happy
(31:57):
with your guitars and ready tothe player hit, and yeah, shake
hands and meet everybody frommusic directors to program
directors to station owners.
I mean, how is that?
How do you do it?
I'm enjoying it.
It's called a radio tour.
For those of you watching thatdon't know.
Uh, I know because I've beendoing this radio thing for a
(32:17):
long time.
But it's called a radio tour.
We meet artists like chase.
How do you do it?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
um, well, we're in, probably, you know, two or three
cities a day and um I I ampersonally afraid of planes,
like I used to love planes.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I used to love flying if you watch the news, I don't
blame you, because now theythere seems to be more and more
and more.
You know planes using a taxiwayfor a runaway, another one
clips its wing as it's landingand one rolled over.
It's like, and that was rightaround crs time yeah, because I
was on a regional jet and I'mgoing just stay up, that's right
.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I remember that, yeah , so I was like I'm sorry, no, I
was gonna say well, I, I thinkI was, I had flight anxiety
before.
It was cool before before.
Everybody else said you knowwhat?
Me too?
But I, I it's kind of stillrecently new, I mean probably
the last two or three years,because I grew up being a big
star trek fan, like I love startrek, star wars, all that sci-fi
, space stuff and so, um, youknow, when I grew up yeah, when
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I grew up, I wanted to be theguy who went from planet to
planet, made friends with aliens, like that was so cool.
that was my dream job, so beingafraid of planes is new for me,
but um but's.
A lot of planes, a lot offlying there is, and then a lot
of waking up early, like thismorning.
I think I woke up at 5.30.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Let me ask you this Can you name the last three
cities you were in?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Maybe Actually we're in Syracuse now.
You're in Syracuse, we were inRochester.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, and then we were I've lost Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Buffalo and Pittsburgh this morning.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Pittsburgh this morning you drove up from
Pittsburgh.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Because there's a one-way flight from Nashville to
Pittsburgh, so we drove fromPittsburgh to Buffalo, okay.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, but I'm trying to think yeah, usually I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You will never forget this place.
I'm just telling you, you'realways going to remember the pod
soon.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, oh, absolutely.
Well, this is the most uniqueand cool setup we've had.
This is awesome, like reallycool setup man yeah.
But, like I will say, for thefirst time in my life, I don't
know where I am most days, likeand and and cause when we're on
tour.
Tour like when I, like you,wake up it's 2 pm and like you,
(34:31):
go get chipotle or whatever here.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I truly don't know where I am and it's it is kind
of weird.
Yeah, oh my god, I love that.
Yeah, that's like where are we?
You have no idea.
Yeah, I've talked to many otherartists and also my reps from
the labels and it's like they'reon the bus and they have no
idea.
It's just they wake up, they'rein another city and it's like,
okay, where are?
We, we're in cle, you'd believethem, even though it wasn't
Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I will say that If somebody told me something
different, I would 100% believethem Exactly.
How would you know?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, right, how would you know Exactly so?
Collaborations, anyopportunities with any of that?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
yet I know you probably get asked that.
So much but your talent withsomebody else, we chose Nazi on
the first album.
Lost Woods is kind of mypersonal project and it's
something that I felt like Ineeded to say as an artist.
So for this first project, wedon't.
However, I do have a song thatis begging for a female
(35:22):
collaboration, and we've notrecorded it yet, but we're
working on finding the rightpartner.
You're not going to say whoyou're thinking about.
Well, there's a few, there's afew we're thinking of.
So I don't know who it is yet.
It's got to be the right one.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
How do you think of all these different artists you
want a female to collaboratewith?
I get that, but how do youreally know it's the right one?
Yeah, I don't know the rightone yeah, I don't know, like, uh
, because you don't want to likereally audition it.
You know what I mean.
Because, like that would be no,we don't like eagerly, no,
exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, you do a song like, okay, you know not cut
that one, but no, I think justyou know out of uh, you know
talking about it and you know,you kind of know what people's
voices sound like and um, youknow and also you.
You look at what they sing theselyrics, what they sing these
words, you know, because it's asong that I wrote, you know,
with a couple of my friends and,uh, it's a deep song, story
song, and you want to know, likewho'd be willing to do
something like that.
(36:13):
And so you just kind of havethese conversations.
You're like, okay, maybe thisperson, maybe this person, and
you also got a shelf who's?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I don't know about that, I think it's just the
opposite.
But how you know, you got tofind somebody and you also have
to have that connection, correct?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, just, you know I listen.
You know playing the songs weplay on the Wolf All Day.
You know you hear Cody andCarrie and it's just like you
can feel a connection there.
It's like and I realized itwasn't, you know they were, he
was over here and she was overhere, but they brought it
together and I don't know ifthere was others before carrie,
I have no idea, but it's.
I can hear that connection inthe song.
(36:53):
Yeah, I think it worked.
You know, obviously it works.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
look what they did right, still, yeah, yeah, I
agree with you, you know, I Ithink that the best, uh, you
know, you have people who cansing anything, you have people
who can sing the phone book, andthen there's sometimes when the
artist just connectsdifferently to the lyric,
whether it be they wrote thesong or whether it be they have
an experience with the song, andso, yeah, I think you can feel
that as a listener, you know,yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
So what's the name of your German shepherd, letto?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Letto.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
How we were eating at an Italian restaurant in East
Nashville called Nicoletto's.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
And we're driving back to our place and we saw
this poor dog on the side of theroad.
You know, a little puppy and hewas.
We didn't know he was a puppyat the time, as a matter of fact
, you know he's a GermanShepherd.
He was already a decent sizeand so.
But you know, he wasmalnourished, he was dirty, he
was eating out of trash, and sowe were just like, oh, we gotta
check this guy out.
so we lured him into the carwith nick leto's mac and cheese
(37:52):
uh-huh, so it's the man leto,and so the first, the first
several months, you know, as youcan imagine having a rescue dog
like was just getting healthyyou know, it was.
He was super sick, he wasskinny, he was.
He had so many things wrongwith him and uh, but it has been
the most incredible journeyever.
Like it's the firstresponsibility I've had as an
adult.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Like yeah, but you know they're part of the fam
yeah you'll be bringing them outon tour, you're gonna be doing
all these different things Imean yeah we've had dogs forever
, yeah, and normally we have to.
Um, we just lost one, not toolong ago.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
it's a cancer, though , and that was a rescue, and
that was we.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Never thought we would lose Nike before we you
know another dog.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
No it's just they become attached and they become
part of your life, and whenyou're just sitting there alone
and just having your dog sitnext to you and love you and
just it's the best.
It is next to you and love youand just it's the best.
It is man.
Yeah, and that makes you think,because we saw them at crs that
brought the puppies in.
Yeah, and my wife doesconferences and she makes sure
(38:56):
that there are these I don'tknow what they call them, but
they bring the puppies in and inbetween sessions they want you
to go and hold the puppies andpet the puppies and I think it
just takes all that stress andall that just out of you by
doing that.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
So yeah they.
They have a their man's bestfriend for a reason.
I don't know what it is, butwhen I wish I had gotten him
sooner like I know that hewasn't born yet.
But looking back at my life,I'm like dang I think I would
have been a lot happier if I hadfound him and he had found me
sooner, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah so you, I mean, do you realize where you are in
your career?
Do you know how close you are?
Like?
I was looking over things todayand I saw when the the single's
going to drop and I'm like, man, leave me here and just kind of
do something with that.
A little bit earlier I've hadit so well, I'm getting the eye,
yeah, yeah, I know that it it'slike we like how you think,
(39:55):
yeah, until we're down two spins.
Then it's like, yeah, no, it'sall good, all good love you guys
really I do.
I respect, I respect the artistsimmensely uh, the labor reps
just the same, because withoutthem you wouldn't be able to do
what you're doing.
For example, you're heretonight and it's because of you,
know, you're right for bigmachines.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah well, I signed a record deal because I want.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I had a dream of being on the radio, so how was
it with, like what, scottburchetta, yeah, and that whole
gang?
You had a meeting with him.
How would you know how?
How did all that go?
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
So I was.
I was bartending in nashvilleum another.
You know I had I'd always hadmultiple jobs um, you know
coming I didn't come if youweren't in radio.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
You had several.
I'm just saying yeah, oh yeah.
Well, you got to be anywhere,and everywhere at all no, no,
I'm just saying we have severaljobs for, uh, the pay-to-bills.
Oh yeah, never mind, go ahead.
Yeah, well, well, that was.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
That was me as well, you know, I mean, I didn't come
from a family who allowed, youknow, like you move to Nashville
and you realize, well, there'sa lot of money here.
You know what I mean.
And, uh, I ran into that, youknow, quite often, where, you
know, maybe somebody was takingsomebody's family was taking
care of this, but they didn'thave to work or whatever you
know, and and then also try togo to the studio, write and
(41:07):
record songs.
You know, the pandemic happened.
I lost all those jobs and uh,you know, uh, eventually, you
know, led to a moment where,having a party at my house and
uh, find myself, you know,crying in my GMC with the check
engine light on, because I'mrealizing I can't pay my rent, I
(41:32):
can, you know?
So I called my mom all saying,you know, asking her do you have
a bed for me to come back home?
to you know she said come onback.
Well, a buddy of mine found mehalf lit in the car.
Uh and you know uh saw what wasgoing on offered to help me pay
my rent.
I fought him on.
I didn't want to take him up onit, but you know, eventually he
persuaded me um, and that nextweek I found a job bussing
tables and, uh, they asked mehow many shifts I wanted.
I said every single one of them.
So I was working double shifts,17 hour shifts, work my way up
the server.
And then, uh, I got a jobbartending, and so bartending
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was where in nashville, themoney was at, and so I
eventually got to record acouple songs.
And then I became good friendswith my bar manager, uh, and he
would sometimes make fun of meor tease me and and then play my
songs over the speakers duringthe during my shift.
How cool.
And I had been serving a coupleof these guys stella miller
light for a couple years and, uh, they heard the song they're
like is this you?
(42:13):
and I was like yeah that's me,he's just, you know, they just
make it fun and they're like, weactually really like the song.
Would you mind if we sent it toa friend of ours?
I said, yeah, sure, you know,not thinking'd love to take you
out to dinner.
And, um, you know, six monthslater I'm meeting Scott
Morishetta and Scott Morishettasaid I'd love to make some
(42:34):
records with you.
So, um, it's, uh, it's a greatfamily, it's a great team and uh
, you know, and trying to growthis fan base organically,
because it was a free way topromote music, I didn't have
marketing money.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
I didn't have a team.
I didn't have anybody helpingme.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
But I wanted to sign a record deal because I had a
dream of my songs being on theradio.
When I was a kid, I rode thepublic school bus.
I have a funny story about theschool bus because if you ride
the public school bus, all thecool kids sit in the back of the
bus.
You know, uh, I have a funnystory about the school bus
because you know, if you ridethe public school bus, everybody
, all the cool kids sit in theback of the bus.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
They do and.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
I was probably five or six years old and a couple
older cousins sitting back thereand, um, they were like hey, we
want to teach you some signlanguage.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
And I was like all right, what do you?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
got and they started putting one finger down after
the other one.
One finger stood up.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
That's old.
That's old school.
Yeah, look at my age.
We did that when I was on aschool bus.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah, nothing changes but the faces, they say.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
And they told me that the middle finger meant great
job and that I should go up andtell the school bus driver that
he was doing a great job drivingthe bus.
And I did.
Does anybody know this schoolbus driver that he was doing a
great?
Speaker 1 (43:49):
job driving the bus, and I did, and so, uh, does
anybody know this story?
Oh yeah, okay, I'm going.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Oh my god, I've told her at a couple of my shows.
And danny wright was my schoolbus driver, he knows he's like
oh yeah, I remember that.
And so we, we pulled over whenit was time to my stop.
He goes up, tells my mom what Idid and things like look, I
know it was these older kids,but I have to punish him.
I can.
I can't let the other kids seethat he did that and not get any
punishment.
So I never got to sit in theback of the bus again.
I had to sit beside him thewhole rest of the school year.
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But he loved country music.
He loved classic country music.
He had a little radio sitting uptop and so that's where I first
heard Don't Take the Girl.
That's where I first heardDon't Close your Eyes by Keith
Wheatley.
You know it's where I firstheard.
You know I remember crying tothere Goes my Life by Kenny
Chesney, because my parents hadme young, you know at 18 years
old, and you know so I was.
(44:35):
I remember being stopped in mytracks by songs that I heard on
the radio, and something I thinkthat is so unique and so
personal about the radio is thatwhen a song hits you at the
right moment at the right time.
It feels divine because it canmake you pull over to the side
of the road and wonder whatyou're doing with your life.
Because it wasn't AI, it wasn'ta made-up playlist.
You didn't go select the song.
(44:55):
Somebody chose that song at theright time you don't know who
did it and it came on at theright time for you, and that is
something that is just unique tothe radio and changed my life a
couple of times.
You know if I'm being honest.
And so my dream was to singcountry music and to be on the
radio.
And so when Scott Borch said, Isaid I want to make records
with you.
I said let's go.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Gosh, you just Look at Jane over there.
But no, you just said so muchof what I love to hear about
radio.
You know, and we have aconnection.
Now it's hometown, it's radio.
Yeah, it's so important to beon the radio, yeah, and nowadays
(45:35):
, you know, everybody's got adifferent avenue to get their
music.
Yeah, but radio will never goaway.
Radio will be there.
Radio we listen to, you get inyour car, you get in your truck,
it's the radio.
(45:56):
I know we have otheropportunities and I'm I may be
as guilty as others listening tovarious things, but when I know
I can go to my local radiostation, doesn't anybody in this
market that locally programmed?
Yeah, there's only a coupleleft, um, but um, that just it's
like, yes, this is real, I'mgetting my forecast, I'm getting
my traffic.
I'm hearing about artists thatare coming to town, maybe a
chase McDaniels coming to town,you know, headlining a show,
(46:18):
it's.
It's like I'm hearing thatlocally, it's about, it's about
us, it's about you know, andit's about artists like you.
Yeah, and there's a communityinvolved in that too.
Like you know, I heard himsniff.
I heard her sniffle.
Is she crying because we'retalking about radio?
Oh, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah,okay, okay, okay, might be
(46:40):
something in the pod zone.
I didn't tell you about itanyways, uh, but this has been a
great conversation and findingout a lot about you, but you
also have a gentleman here thattravels with you, john, over
there.
Yeah uh, the john wayne cattlecompany I, I I asked.
I said what's your name?
Again he goes john.
I guess I'm looking at the hatis that john wayne cattle
company, he goes no, I justfound this somewhere he's got
(47:02):
some john wayne vibes too, sohas he been with you.
Does he play with you on a?
Speaker 2 (47:05):
yeah, man, he's uh, he's been well, we well, we met
a few weeks ago and he, uh, he'sbeen on radio tour with me and,
uh, you know, what's awesomeabout john is is that we never
rehearsed.
He showed up and was a rockstar the first time.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Isn't that the best, though it's crazy, because you
know you don't have to worryabout you, only say that a
couple times.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I mean like in nashville's, full of great
guitar players.
But to have somebody show upand know the songs so well that
you're just like, hey, we don'thave time, we just got to go
into this and he nailed it.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
I have to ask you have your songs.
You met him just a few weeksago and he's playing your songs.
Yeah, does, is it, john?
Is because you knew who chasewas?
You need to listen to his music, or did you have a little
advance notice that you weregoing to go on the road with him
so you learned it, or this?
Speaker 2 (47:47):
is an interesting story.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
I can't wait I had about two day, two or three days
notice, something like that,but fortunately I had videos of
some radio shows, you know, so II could see how he did it right
right but then I mean, we met.
How long before that first, oh,we met 30 minutes before the
(48:10):
show.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, 30 minutes before the show you guys met.
I was from Nashville, I thinkyou were coming from.
La.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
We met in Phoenix and 30 minutes later we were at an
Air Force base in Phoenixplaying a show For the troops.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it was like a room of like 250
troops and we were like, oh man,we can't mess it up.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Right and he nailed it.
I had been nervous at a show ina while, but that kind of that
one kind of was like oh, my God.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
I'm kind of like freaking out a little bit.
What's it take to be somebodylike you, who you know you
traveling now with an artistthat, uh, you know he's right on
the edge of doing somethingreally, really good.
What's it, what's it take to dothat?
And you know, you obviously gotyour guitar and everything.
But talk to me about who youare and why you do it and what
does it take.
(48:58):
I mean really, this is apodcast, by the way so we kind
of drifted from chase.
We're over to John now.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Well, it takes being in Nashville meeting some of the
best musicians I've ever met inmy life, where it made me kick
everything up and I'm like theseguys are so good and they do
their homework, and the guysthat I look up to I'm like, ok,
I've got to do my homework andstay on top of it to keep doing
this.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Did you get a chance?
Did you record with anybody?
Have you done anything in thepast where you've been in the
studio?
Maybe somebody needed a guitarplayer?
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, I do some guitar tracking, do some
producing and I've toured withsome different artists and stuff
.
I've been doing kind of theNashville thing.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
I've been in town five years was in Texas before
that.
So I've been on the road about14, you like the texas country,
do you?
I was.
I was in the texas scene aboutseven years, a little bit of pat
green a little bit.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Uh, randy rogers, I mean, yeah, you know, that's
cool, that's cool.
I always wondered how you knowthat whole relationship.
Artist, guitar player.
Uh, do you really know eachother?
Well, you didn't until like 30minutes ago.
You know what I mean sometimes.
That's how it works.
You know um each other.
Well, you didn't until, like,30 minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
You know what I mean.
Sometimes that's how it works.
You know Um, you know and, and,and then you get a feel for,
like you know who won.
Like you know, because there'sdifferent playing styles too.
You know there's more of a rockvibe, there's more of a
traditional country vibe,there's more of um.
You know there's so manydifferent styles of of picking.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
And then you know there's so many different styles
of of picking.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
And then you know, sometimes it works, sometimes
it's.
You know something.
You got to work on this guy.
We didn't have to work on it atall.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
So you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
And then and then also, you know, it's gotta be
somebody that you can be on theroad with for weeks at a time
too, and John's a pretty awesomedude so.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
That's another thing.
There are a lot of greatplayers Sometimes are not the
best you know.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
yeah so you have to if you're gonna spend they might
, they might sleep withmayonnaise in their socks or
something.
I mean you, just you know, younever know with some of these
guys yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah and uh, you don't sing, john I'm trying to
get into.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
I know he's got.
He's got that, don't he?
I know everything I've triedlessons?
Speaker 1 (51:05):
I just no, but obviously you're very talented
at what you do, so you neverknow, it may work out someday.
And uh, you know um alissa.
Alissa is saying uh, I think aduet with avrianna would be
perfect oh, I've heard of her.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, she's.
Uh, she's blowing up on thestreaming right now.
Yeah, they got an awesome songout.
Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yeah, she says hi too by the way okay well, hey there
there you go, um, so, uh, it'sbeen a great conversation, uh,
finding out about you.
I mean, we went from you knowwho you are, we got really deep
and, uh, you know your historyand your past, which how you
overcame so much in your life.
Now look at you when you'vemade it to sit in the pod zone.
(51:45):
You have made it, but noseriously yeah uh, I know the
song is dropping real soon.
Yeah, um, you know, I it'sgonna, it's gonna be huge for
you I appreciate it huge and uh,I just want to say thanks for
coming are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (52:00):
oh, my man, thanks for having us.
Man, this place is awesome,dude.
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
This you know I told you a little history about this
and that when other artists usedto come by years ago before
COVID, we would get pizza, wingsand beer.
We didn't do that tonight.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
I apologize.
I'm looking at all yourpictures up here.
Some of my favorite artists arein this room signing notes to
you.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
I got everything from rock to the oldies to some
other Crazy, pretty cool stuff.
Thanks for helping me lose mytrack.
I was thinking, but you know,we talked everything about you
and all that and, like I saidwhen you, you, you're there,
(52:39):
you're there, dude, you're there.
It's going to be fun to towatch you grow and to get out
and see you and I have thefeeling you're going to be on
some of these big shows Maybe Idon't know when, I don't know
how all that works, but onceothers catch on with your music,
it's going to be.
You know we need to, we need todo whatever we need to do to
get them on whatever tour whichis going to be cool.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
I appreciate you, man .
It's so nice to have people whobelieve in in new artists.
Thank you for that.
Thank you for being a championfor somebody who's just trying
his best to make my mom and dadall proud.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
I feel like I've known you forever.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
That's what the PodZone does.
I think it does.
This is my world.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Just don't look at me on a Sunday morning when I'm
sitting down here in my boxersjust playing music, because
that's what I do, I love that.
I'll just sitting down here inmy boxers, just playing music,
because that's what I do.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
I love that, that's what I do.
I'll just come down here, closethe door.
Everybody else is sleeping.
I'm good to get my coffee.
You gotta have a.
You gotta have a peaceful place.
What do you, what do you call,like, the place that you go to?
In your mind you're, um, you're, you're, you're, you're.
What's your go-to place?
You know, I'm sitting herethinking of a Gatlinburg
mountain river.
I don't know what do they callthat.
Your, your happy place, yourhappy place.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
You're right, like you know some place in the
mountains where there's nobodyaround you know, it's just
here's the issue that I run into.
When I started thinking aboutthat, my wife and I would be
driving and let's say, we'retaking a trip and it's like.
There's nothing around.
This is so nice.
Well, what am I going to do forgroceries?
Where am I going to go to themall?
Where am I going to?
I said, well, honey, so it's alittle bit of a drive, okay.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
But no, it's just to be in that.
You know that frame of mind isjust so awesome.
But thank you for coming by.
Somebody wants to get a hold ofyour music.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Chase music.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, uh, chase me, daniel music everywhere
everywhere, just and just yeah,and you do all these socials.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yes, sir, yeah, all that, and I didn't ask you about
that, but you were doing a lotof that yourself, right?
Speaker 2 (54:34):
yeah, yeah.
So, uh, you know, I I'm I'mgetting, I'm allowing more and
more help to to help me, uh, butit's been hard.
You know, like I, I that'ssomething that's my baby, you
know, I started, uh, postingthose videos but, like I said,
because it was just a free wayto help people find my music.
And so, uh, you know, luckily Ido have an amazing team now,
but it's I'm always going to bethe one uh on socials there.
(54:58):
So, yeah, chase me down.
Music anywhere, yeah, anywhere.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
You All right, but thank you for coming by.
We're going to, we're going tosign off now, but we're going to
come back and we're going toplay you a couple of songs.
So I just need to do what Ineed to do on my end and Chase
will get his guitar out andwe'll play a couple of tunes and
we'll call it a night.
Let's go Love it.
Chase McDaniel, everybody,thanks for coming by and hang on
, because you're
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