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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Everybody.
My name is Skip Clark.
I am the host of Skip Happensand tonight.
First of all, thank you forbeing here, but I'm joined.
We've never met before.
About 30 seconds ago is aboutthe most we've talked.
But when Williams is here, heis an emerging country music
entertainer, texas native,former collegiate steer wrestler
(00:21):
.
His new project, music CountryTherapy, blends heartfelt lyrics
, timeless twang, contemporaryNashville production channeling
the spirit of George Strait,brooks and Dunn and Tim McGraw
some of my favorites, yours too,I would assume but with his own
authentic Texas stamp.
It's time to dive in and win it.
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It's an honor to meet you, myfriend.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm great and likewise man.
I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Absolutely.
Let's talk about you a littlebit.
Where are you right now?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I am home.
We just moved to Sanger, texas,up near Denton.
I originally grew up inWeatherford, texas, but my wife
and I just moved from Fort Worth, so now we're kind of out in
the country.
We've got a pretty little pieceof land out here and it's nice
and quiet.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I love it.
So I'm looking at you andthere's something about that
classic cowboy credibility.
You're a former collegiate starwrestler, but how did rodeo
life shape your outlook as aperformer?
How did all that happen?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Uh, you know, just the course of life, you, you do
things, you know you play sportsand you go rodeo.
And then, uh, you pick, pick upa guitar and start playing at
those rodeos and and then, um,you know, in college I I decided
I didn't want to do thatforever.
So I started pursuing music alittle bit and kind of learning
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a lot about the business.
And you know, here we are nineyears later doing it full time.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So you're done with the rodeo thing now.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
That's right, man.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I don't rodeo anymore .
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It's been a little while since I've done it, but
you know, rodeo and playingmusic are awfully similar.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Uh, they go together.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
That's right, that's right.
That's a lot of the same, thesame people that I see out on
the road too, and of course I,you know, play a bunch of rodeos
as well.
So, uh, it's always good to seefamiliar faces.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, you must feel right at home when you get the
chance to perform at a rodeo.
It's like it must all come backto you like really quick saying
.
You know I used to do this,this is cool.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's great to uh, great to be around
those those kinds of folks and,uh, it was a part of my life for
for a long time and it still is, just in a different, just in a
different perspective.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah.
So, um, tell me, are therecertain artists or moments that
actually pulled you into thecountry music side of things?
I mean, being in Texas, youknow we get George Strait and
all those some great on top ofall the great Texas artists that
we have, because you have yourown chart and everything there.
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I mean I was a fan of Pat Green, randy Rogers, I can go on and
on, definitely good stuff, butyou know what artists pulled you
into the country music in thefirst place?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Man.
Like it says you know on my bioon my website, it's like I grew
up listening to 90s country,early 2000s country.
The first song I ever sang in apublic setting was when I was
six years old.
I sang she Thinks my Tractor'sSexy by Kenny Chesney.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
At the age of six.
That's right, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I also come from a musical family.
Everybody sings, my dad playsguitar.
It kind of runs a little bit inthe family.
I was in choir for four yearsin high school.
I just have always loved musicand I've always always loved
singing and it kind of madesense for me.
You know, once I, once Igraduated from school, I was
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like all right, well, I'm brokenow, so I might as well at least
go try this for a little while.
And I'm still broke, you know,nine years later.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
It's you and I both brother.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
At least how to stay busy.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, exactly.
So you've got Music CountryTherapy.
Tell me a little bit about that.
That's pretty strong.
Why the title and what does itmean to you personally?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, country Therapy is an album that we put
together.
It just came out, obviouslylast week, very exciting stuff.
It just came out, obviouslylast week, very exciting stuff.
We kind of tapped into theNashville scene, if you will.
I've been writing my own musicfor a long time and recording as
well up in Nashville.
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So you know, as I've gottenbusier as a touring act,
specifically this year and lastyear, our calendar has gotten
crazy busy.
I hadn't had as much time towrite as much as I would have
liked to this album.
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Man, I've got two songs onthere that I wrote Country
Therapy and.
Denver to Dallas.
Everything else is an outsidesong For the viewers out there.
What that means is I didn'twrite the song but uh, you know
other people did and we, we wentaround to publishers in
Nashville and asked for somegreat music and fortunately we
got some.
And, uh, we picked, we pickedthe best songs, probably out of
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about 50 or 60, uh tunes that welistened to and it could have
been more than that, honestlybut some great songs by some
great songwriters.
And you know we put together analbum that kind of fits, fits,
whatever boots the fan wants toput on that day.
Because you know there'sthere's a little bit of
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something for everyone in thisrecord.
You know there's heartbreaksongs, there's beer drinking
songs, there's kind oftongue-in-cheek type stuff, and
you know the classic countrysound is blended with the modern
country thing that's going onas well.
So if somebody can't find asong on this album Country
Therapy that they don't like,then they just don't like it at
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all.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, something's wrong if they can.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And that's kind of what I'm getting out of all this
.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So yeah, absolutely so.
I can only assume that you knowI mentioned George Straitbrooks
and done Tim McGraw.
You're going to hear a lot ofthat type of sound on this album
.
Country therapy yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Cool, fun stuff.
Have you been able to?
Because you're in Texas, haveyou been able to get on that
chart at all?
Or are you just making trips toNashville and kind of going
that route?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, we've done some stuff with Texas Radio.
Currently we're kind offocusing on the social media
side of things in terms of promo.
But you know, we've certainlydone a radio tour and all that
kind of stuff.
Down here we're still kind of,you know, looking to break into
the national markets if you will.
But a lot of that also comesfrom, you know, just touring
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around and getting in front ofthese program directors and
folks like yourself that wehaven't you know, that we
haven't played for in the pastor maybe, maybe we're just not
quite on their radar yet.
So uh you know, this year we'regetting out of state a lot,
which is great because I'mhitting some of these markets
that, uh, you know, went toradio, went on, went on radio
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tour, uh, several years ago, andI'm getting to go back and
revisit some of these spots.
So, uh, it's really exciting,man I this, this album is is
something that you know weworked really hard on and I'm
glad to to finally get it outthere and hopefully many of the
people you know, uh, on yourside of things, go out and help
us promote it.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Exactly so with you, you win Williams and your album
uh country therapy.
What, um, if you were todescribe that record to somebody
who hasn't heard it yet, howwould you do that?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Man probably exactly how I just talked about it what
you just said?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, there's literally
something for every kind ofcountry music fan on this album,
and if I can't please someonewith this album, they just can't
be pleased.
I mean, it's as simple as it is.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
It's a little bit of everything.
God, I love that, definitelydefinitely good stuff.
I've got to dig into it alittle bit more and I can't wait
to hear the whole project.
So you get your Texas twang oldschool instrumentation.
Did you insist on keeping evenwith modern Nashville polish, so
to speak?
I mean because you know there'sthat change going on, there's
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that kind of a different sound,but yet we got your sound as
well.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah it's.
You know it's important to kindof keep those traditional roots
.
Yeah, it's important to kind ofkeep those traditional roots.
(09:01):
You're not going to hearanything on there.
That's really too out of theordinary.
I mean, it's a live band in asteps.
You know, from writing the songall the way to.
You know mixing and mastering.
You know it's all a machinethat involves a lot of
professionals.
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that know, there, there is someof that.
It's not really as bad anymore,but but there's some of that.
You know, uh, back and forth,that you get between oh, you
know you're going to Nashvilleand you know you're doing this
Nashville thing and, man, theycall it music city for a reason.
Uh, that's where everythinghappens, that's where the best
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of the best are.
So, in my opinion, if you'renot going to Nashville and
you're not at least writingsongs with some of those guys
and you're not at least havinglunch with some of those people,
you're not really playing thegame and giving yourself a fair
shot, because that's kind of theepicenter of everything.
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And, quite frankly, if youlisten to the product that we've
got on Country Therapy I'msaying this with as much
humility as you're willing toaccept put it up against
anything else that's not comingout of Nashville, and I would be
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willing to bet that it probablysounds a lot better.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I bet you it does.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
That's great how often, wynn, how often do you
get back to Nashville?
So I was going once a month forabout a week at a time, and I
do like to do that.
But but again, I've been sobusy, like this summer man, I
think I've been home maybe likemaybe two weeks out of the past
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since, like mid July, um, therefor two weeks came back home.
Wonderful wife packed up ourentire house while I was in
Europe.
I flew back on the 30th of June, we moved on the 2nd of August,
I left on the 6th of August.
Oh, man, man, I just reallyhaven't had an opportunity to
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get to Nashville between all thedates and then also trying to
have a personal life.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Was that the first trip to Europe for you to play?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Man, it wasn't.
I've gone over there the pastseveral years Last year we went
to Hawaii.
And it is so much fun goingover there.
If you've never gone, I wouldhighly recommend going and
checking out a festival, becauseit is incredible.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
See what I'm hearing is if you're playing over there,
I mean the fans of country justover the top, it's like they
know your music, they sing itback to you, they know every
track that's on that album.
You know, I've heard that froma lot of different artists that
have gone.
You know the C2C and this andthat, but just to be there on
that stage and see the reactionof those fans is out of this
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world.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Oh yeah, it is.
It's an amazing experience.
It's.
It's kind of hard to justexplain it, but when people do
ask, you know they're alwayssurprised that country music is
so, so interesting and so bigover there.
But but it's huge man, and Ikind of think it's just because
you know we've got country music24-7, specifically in Texas,
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definitely in Nashville.
So those you know, those folksdon't get that all the time.
So whenever it does, come totown, boy, they show up and they
show up big and they treat youso well.
So going over there and playingis honestly it's one of the
most exciting parts of my career, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah.
It's just got to be so cool todo that.
I've heard that from a lot ofdifferent artists.
Let's talk about yoursongwriting a little bit.
When Wynn Williams is who, asyou can see, is who I'm speaking
with tonight on the SkipHappens podcast but you know,
when you're writing or choosingsongs, what's your test for, and
I would say is this a WynnWilliams song?
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How do you know it's your?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
song.
Well, you know a lot of it kindof stems from again that
country early 2000s influence.
You know lyrics were important.
You know you're not singingabout something that you know
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doesn't make sense or maybe it's.
You know it doesn't tell a storyor it doesn't have a message or
something like that.
You know all of my stuff,probably for the most part, has
some kind of story or message toshare, but some of those of
those songs that uh like a songcalled here for the beer on this
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new album, uh, it's kind ofexactly what it says.
It's like, you know I'm, I'mnot here for anything else
except to have a few drinks and,uh, you know some of that is is
is important too, uh, because alot of people will put music on
and just to kind of escape fromthat everyday, mundane life
that that we all live, uh, herein America.
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But, uh, that's kind of what thewhole premise of country
therapy is all about, andwhenever I'm writing songs, I
always try to keep that in mind.
You know, even if even if it'ssomething that maybe I don't
quite relate to as much, I knowthat there are better fishermen
than me, or you know, there's alot of rodeo cowboys out there,
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but then there's also peoplethat think that rodeo is the
coolest thing in the world, andthey've never done it, but they
love to identify with that too.
So there's a lot of that stuff,man, personal experience.
And also I like to justconsider the fact that the song,
the song, just needs to speakto someone's heart, and if
that's my heart, or if that'syour heart, then you know I've
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done my job as a songwriter.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Do you think you'll ever go back to riding or, you
know, steer wrestling oranything like that being at the
rodeo?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Man, I think that the best thing that anybody's going
to get out of me is is ridingaround in a granite tree and
waving my hand.
I gotcha as I uh, you know,step off, step off the stage or
get ready to step on the stage,but no, I, I, uh, I injured
myself pretty good.
I.
I tore my acl and my meniscusand my right knee and and
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that'll do it you know it's,it's, it's, it's better now, but
uh, I really don't want to know.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Once you, once you heard it, you can hurt it again
fairly easy.
I mean, you know, you don'twant to take that chance.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, exactly, I got too many trips to europe coming
up, so uh, there you go, thereyou go.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
When's your next trip ?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Uh, no, I'm just kidding, I just got back, but,
uh, I'm hoping to get back nextyear.
We're already talking about umsome, some other shows next year
.
So, uh, if I can make it a kindof an annual thing to go over
there and play um, I wouldreally like to do that and so
far, for the past I don't know,maybe three, four years we've
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been able to achieve that.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, is this like a C2C, like I mentioned a few
minutes ago?
Is that what it is, or is thissomething way different?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, it's not C2C, it's just going over there, you
know, playing some some smallerfestivals and playing some clubs
and and little venues overthere.
Right, I'm hoping that C2C isin our future.
You know it's.
I've got to go to.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Ireland.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
That actually is another trip that I'm taking,
but it's kind of a personal trip.
I'm going for a wedding.
I got you, but I'm hoping thatI can, you know, string together
a couple of shows.
It's kind of like right afterC2C, so maybe we'll be able to
catch the tail end of C2C andthen go do some celebrating for
a wedding.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, so to let everybody know, when you go, you
book all this stuff on your ownand you go and well, you get
the gigs to pay for your trip togo over there and do all that.
I would assume correct.
Is that how you do it?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, so several years ago I went over there and
played in Italy and the bandleader, I play with a European
band.
I send them all my music, theylearn it and it's great.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's just a little more economical.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know, instead of spending on plane tickets, I can
spend a couple thousand on myplane ticket and then I can go
over there and play.
But anyway, I met this bandleader.
His name is jay and um, youknow he, he goes out and he
plays a lot of these festivalsand plays a lot of these clubs,
so he'll kind of book some showsfor me and back me um with with
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his band.
We're working with caa.
We started working with them in.
January and uh, you know things,things are evolving a little
bit on the booking side, but uh,you know, it's still.
It's still one of those thingswhere you know I'm I'm at a
point where I'm still, you know,bringing a lot of stuff to the
table as well, but our agent,man, our agent, is killing it
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this year.
Uh, his name's Andrew and he'sman our agent is killing it this
year.
Uh, his name's andrew and andhe's man, he's just busted to
get us so many of these showsand, and you know, a large part
of our, of our, uh, touringschedule has been because of
andrew, so, um you know, it's ateam effort.
You know you got a lot of folksbehind the scenes, that and uh.
At the end of the day, you know, if I was doing it all by
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myself, I would not.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It would be difficult , quite a success.
Yeah, no, exactly, it's justyeah.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It's just so much to do between.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
If you were to do it, yeah, yeah, that's another
thing too, like why you knowyou're asking about my
songwriting.
It's, um, a lot.
I kind of tell people likewhenever I'm in texas, that's my
like business space of sorts,because I'm always, like, you
know, doing accounting or I'mdoing, uh, you know, social
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media stuff, or I'm advancingshows, doing tour management
type stuff, or maybe getting thenew tires on the van or
something like that.
But whenever I go to Nashville,I'm able to kind of, you know,
compartmentalize a little bitand I can say, okay, I'm in
Nashville so I can be creative.
So then I, you know, go in andbe present writing songs or be
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present in the studio.
So you know, it's certainly abalance, but you can't do it all
by yourself if you want to grow.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Now, so you were talking about.
You come from a family ofmusicians.
You said your dad plays guitar.
I mean the whole family.
They all do a little somethingon that side of things.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, everybody sings Cool, my dad plays guitar and
sings, and also my granddad onmy mom's side.
He had a band, acountry-western band, back in
the 70s, late 60s, early 70s,and he played around Texas and
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he was invited to be a Texasplayboy with Bob Wills.
Oh wow, turn that down.
You know, it's something that,like I said, man, it just kind
of runs, I guess, in our blood.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt, absolutely.
That is cool.
Is there, let's say, you know,country therapy on that album?
Is there an emotionalcenterpiece?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
for you.
It's one of my favorite songsI've ever written.
I wrote with Bryce Long andJeff Hyde and dude, it's just
like it's not necessarily likeemotional for me and then it
tears at my heartstrings or oranything.
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It's emotional for me justbecause, to me, like the way
that that song is written andI'm giving all credit to Jeff
Hyde and Bryce Long Causethey're future hall of Fame
songwriters Just the way thatthat particular song is written
is like country music to AT.
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For me it's a story song.
It kind of tells this storyabout these two people meeting
on an airplane to Dallas.
It starts with a conversationand all of a sudden you know
they're hitting it off and andmaking a connection and uh, and
then that's a movie, dude youknow, starting, starting this
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life that is up in forever.
So it's like to me that'scountry music, man, and and if
you listen to the song you knowyou're going to hear fiddle and
steel and really pretty pianoand all those elements of that
90s country era.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
You know, when you talk about that, I think of
artists like Zach Topp as well,who's kind of thrown it back to
the 90s.
And you know, if the AlanJackson sound from Chattahoochee
to some George Strayed to is,you know we've already mentioned
George, but still for a newer,younger artist, I think is Zach
Topp.
Now, you know, I definitelyhave to dig into some of your
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stuff too, because I absolutelylove that and that whole style.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
All that's coming back, dude, everything's, like
you know, going full circle Atleast I think it is A hundred
percent, man, and you're talking, you're, you know, going full
circle.
At least I think it is Ahundred percent, man, and you're
talking, you're?
You know, you're speaking mylanguage.
But there's a song on the albumcalled put the shovel down.
Uh, and, ironically enough, um,alan Jackson's producer, call
uh, wrote this song and uh, wewere.
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We were sitting in his uh, inhis office listening to some
stuff and he played put Put theShovel Down on a demo and I was
like, dude, I love this song,this is country music and anyway
, we cut the song.
And man, I encourage you to golisten to it, because it is
quintessential country music,exactly how you like it.
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There's a lot of other greatstuff on there.
There's a song right now that'sgetting a really good response,
yeah, and it's called she ain'tyou, um, and it's kind of a a
little bit of an introspectivewho can be, uh, stubborn and and
and I've been called hardheadedmany a times, uh, probably more
(23:27):
than I than I'd like to admit,but that particular song again
was a song that was pitched tous and it immediately just
reminded me of myself and thatone's getting a great response.
We also recut the Fireman, ohyeah, straight by George Strait,
put a little bit of a moderntwist on it.
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So yeah, man, if you don't likecountry music, I don't know.
If you don't like something onthis album, I don't know.
I don't think you like countrymusic because Right, exactly,
exactly.
There's something.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I love that, I love that thought of that, and so
this is the first full albumthat you put out no, this is
actually my second full lengthsecond okay, yep all right, I
put out a uh, my very first fulllength record in in 2020, and
that was 14 songs.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I believe, um, I believe, I think this one is 12.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
They go anywhere from 12, 12 to 15 now, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, yeah so, but I've had a couple of things.
I've had a couple of things,like you know, working in
between that time.
I also had an EP that came outin 2017, right after I graduated
from school.
So, man, I've been doing it fora while and it's just so's just
so expensive to, uh, to go outand record this music,
especially in Nashville, man,it's it's pretty crazy.
It's crazy how expensive, um,how expensive it can get, but,
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but you know, you pay for whatyou get to.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
No, no, no, exactly right.
And I think a lot of viewers ora lot of listeners don't
realize that once you step footin the studio, you got rental
time, you got to pay for theplayers, you've got all this
stuff and it adds up and, yeah,you want to do it, but you know,
reality speaks that it's veryexpensive.
It's like how am I going to dothis?
But if you want to do it,you're going to do it.
You'll find a way to do it, andobviously you have, and it's
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really good.
So well, thank you very muchthat's what a lot of people
don't realize, that that, uh,you know you gotta pay for the
players again.
Let's say you know oh yeahspace rental, all the good stuff
you want to.
What kind of guitar?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
all right, well, that's gonna cost you all right,
right, yeah, yeah, I think Irecord vocals on like like a
forty thousand dollar vocal oh,exactly that and uh, and it's
exactly but except for theartist it's not exactly the sure
sm7b, I can tell you that muchso yeah, yeah, you know um, I
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forgot what I was gonna ask you.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
That ain't too smart, but um, anyway.
So you're online.
Where can somebody get yourmusic and listen to it?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
yeah, you can.
Uh, I tell people the one-stopshop is winwilliamsmusiccom.
Perfect, obviously, all theplatforms buying or streaming
music.
We've got CDs of the new albumas well and the old stuff for
this record, um that a lot offolks are into vinyl again
(26:28):
nowadays so uh you can hop onthe, hop on the store online and
get yourself a vinyl and behappy to happy to ship it to you
.
Um, but yeah man, anywhereanybody listens to music.
We've got some stuff on youtubeas well music videos, um, all
that good stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
What made you go with the vinyl?
Now, I'm saying that because Ilove vinyl and I got a case of
vinyl Zach Topp albums today atthe radio station for what we
call a winner's weekend.
But they're all vinyl.
It's like it's all coming back.
And when I get the vinyl in themail I start thinking about my
radio days back in the 80s, whenwe were getting albums left and
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right.
So, that's cool.
Why did you do that?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I've been asked several times if I have vinyl.
Whenever I'm out at shows onthe road we've got a merch table
, of course, and several peoplehave come up and said, man, have
you got any vinyl?
When are you getting vinyl?
And I'm like, oh dude, I guessthat more and more.
Um, so we decided we would dokind of a limited run of vinyl,
(27:34):
uh, for this album and uh, youknow it should be, it should be
on my doorstep any any momentnow so I can get it.
Get it out to the folks thathave ordered some.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Awesome, and if they do, would you autograph it?
Then send it to them.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, of course, yeah , totally.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
OK, you might have a little message in there for me,
like I'm going to buy one.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I want it autographed , so now we can make that happen
.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I know you can, I know you can.
Let's say, let's talk a littlebit about more.
About you, though, born andraised in Texas.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
What was this?
Your first, first town?
Where did you grow up?
Again, tell me, I grew up in atown called weatherford, texas
weatherford okay weatherford,all one word weatherford
weatherford yeah, okay that'show you spell it, weatherford,
but it's all one wordweatherford.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I got you.
I got you.
Now, if, um, if I was to driveinto your hometown, I can't
imagine there's a whole lot ofroads, maybe just a couple main
dregs that take you into town.
If I was coming in, let's say,from the north, what would be
the first thing I would see?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
If you were coming in from the north of Weatherford,
uh, you would probably run intouh, one of the million banks
that are in town, or maybe achicken restaurant or a car wash
.
It's kind of a joke that, uh,you know banks, chicken
restaurants and car washes.
Um, weatherford used to be asmall town, but okay it's been
(29:06):
adopted, uh, essentially by FortWorth.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I got you All right, but the town I'm in now.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Uh, where we live now is much more my speed in that.
Uh, there's not too manyrestaurants around and only one
bank.
Uh, you know only one actuallythere's there's two chicken
restaurants right now, but butnow this, the place where we
live now a lot, a lot more ruralthan than Weatherford, you know
(29:42):
, in town, is now.
Of course, weatherford is, likeyou know, stephenville, texas.
They call the capital of theworld, but but I would probably
argue that that Weatherford, uh,is in the running for that Um,
because a lot of, a lot of, uh,you know, western industry folks
, um, live in Weatherford andand it's it's actually
considered the cutting horsecapital of the world uh, which
is another event that's notquite involved in rodeo, but
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it's still an equine, uh,western lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Are you?
Are you into that Westernlifestyle?
I mean, you're from Texas, youknow you've ridden in the rodeo,
you've done all that, so Iwould.
I can only assume that's yourlifestyle, man, you're like the
cowboy, which is cool.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, well, you know it's a part of my life, it's.
It's how I kind of grew up.
Um, you know, we don't have anyhorses, uh, here in our new
place.
Uh, we got some cows out there,but uh, you know, it's a lot.
I don't even think I could havehorses right now because I'm
just so busy and it's such ait's such a big responsibility.
Um, man, you know, I'm enjoyingjust living out here on this.
(30:49):
Like I said, I haven't beenaround much, but it's 13 acres
and we don't have any of thehustle and bustle.
My wife and I lived in FortWorth, in the city, for six
years.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Oh, that had to be nuts.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Man, we loved it.
We absolutely loved it.
It was convenient I could be onthe interstate, which was handy
for touring, but we had alittle bitty house on a busy
street and it was kind of timefor us to get out of Fort Worth.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, how does it?
You know your wife is a trooperbecause you're on the road all
the time, unless she's goingwith you, but she could be
holding the fort down back athome.
She is a trooper because ittakes a lot to do that and she's
letting you.
It's your passion and you'rededicated to your craft and
she's given you that opportunityto go chase it.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Tell me a little bit about your wife.
Man, she, like you said she's arock star in her own right.
We met.
She grew up in Keller, Texas,which is not too far from
Weatherford, actually, but wedidn't meet until we both
transferred into Texas A&M, uh,in 2015.
(32:10):
Um, we had three class togetherso we saw each other every day.
Um, at school, ended up workingon some group projects together
and, um, you know, just kind ofhit it off and and, uh, we
started dating actually aftercollege.
And, um, you know, she's of hitit off and we started dating
actually after college.
And you know she's always knownthat I was pursuing music.
(32:35):
You know we hung out a ton incollege and she would come out
to shows.
As a matter of fact, there wasone show I played in college.
She was the only person in thecrowd.
So you know, she has definitelybeen with me through thick and
thin.
So, dude, you know what thathas definitely been.
She's been with me through, uh,thinking.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
So, dude, you know what that means.
That was meant to be.
So that's cool, that's cool,that's cool Absolutely.
Do you guys have kids?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Not yet no not yet.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
We've always talked about.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
You know, whenever we turn 30, we'll start having the
conversation, and we justturned 31.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
So time to start that , but then again that's right
yeah.
What about pets?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, we uh, his name is Topo.
Like Topo Chico the drink, heis an Australian shepherd.
He's, uh, let's see, he's 10months old and, um, he is, he's
a good little boy man.
He's.
He's, uh, he's, you know, stilla puppy, uh.
But but, hannah, my wife, um,she's done a great job at you
(33:35):
know, getting him trained up andand making sure he's he's, uh,
you know, doing what we'retelling him to do.
Um, but, yeah, I mean, you'reexactly right, she's great.
I wouldn't be able to do thiswithout her.
Like I, said the whole housewhile I was in Europe for two
weeks and then whenever I gotback, you know.
(33:57):
But we make it work.
She knew early on what she wassigning up for, so it's all good
.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
That's awesome, man, that's awesome.
You drive a Silverado.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I do, I knew it.
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I knew it.
Every artist I talk to I take aguess and I usually guess
Silverado, All right, andthey'll go yeah, you're right.
Very rarely do I say no, it'sFord or it's Dodge, I got the
Ram, I got this, but most of thetime it's the Silverado.
Now, I have nothing to do withChevy, I'm just saying that and
I've had one myself.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, this has been a greattruck.
Actually, oddly enough, it wasmy wife's.
I had a Dodge.
It was my first truck.
I took it 254 miles.
And it started to get about her.
I had to get rid of it and Itook the Silverado.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Nice, very nice.
So when you, when you go out ontour, though, are you pulling a
trailer?
Um, you got the van.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
We're rocking in a van and trailer now.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
We're, uh, we're, gunning for that bus, though
that that would be nice.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
You know the way you're going when it looks like
it could happen sooner ratherthan later.
So just have to, you know, playyour cards right, and it looks
like you're doing that.
Have you been to the northeastat all?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
man, I haven't been up there to play any shows, uh,
but I've spent.
I haven't spent any time in newyork, but I have spent some
time in boston and I really,really like Boston.
Um, I went up there whenever Iwas in college.
Just um, I literally went thereby myself.
Uh, I was an intern Southwestairline.
So I got to fly for free, uh,went to the airport, looked at
(35:56):
the screen and said where shouldI go?
So I went to Boston and uh, andI did like Fenway, you know,
tour and and and the North endof Boston, and got to do a lot
of really cool stuff.
So I took my wife up there acouple of years ago.
But, man, I would love to cometo the Northeast because I
understand it's it's kind of ahotspot for country music right
(36:19):
now.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
It is, and we're in central New York.
So we're upstate and I'm not.
You know if you some peoplethink New York is New York City
and upstate is Poughkeepsie andPoughkeepsie is just north of
New York.
No, we're actually upstate,right at the crossroads.
I guess Syracuse is right inthe center of the state, but
(36:40):
this is the time of the yearhere where fall is starting to
set in.
The leaves are just beginningto change.
You know, I mean a couple ofweeks ago it was 90 degrees.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Today I woke up at 50 .
So it's crazy.
That's awesome, that's crazy.
It's a beautiful part of thecountry.
I hope that we can get up thereAbsolutely.
I've never spent any timeoutside of outside of Boston, so
you know I'm itching to get upthere because I know for one, I
just love traveling and I loveseeing new places and I love
eating great food and I knowthat you can get that in the
(37:13):
Northeast.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Oh yeah, Well, Boston , you got the lobster.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Definitely good, definitely good stuff.
What is like where you are now.
What would you say is thefavorite food?
What is really popular besidesthe chicken places on the corner
?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Man, my wife and I, we do not discriminate whenever
it comes to cuisine.
We love pretty much everything.
But there's a pretty goodlittle Mexican food place here
in town and a little Italian,but it's hard to beat a good, a
good old cheeseburgers.
There's a gas station here thatactually makes cheeseburgers
and they are jam up man.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Aren't they the best, seriously.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
You find those places along the road and it's like
you're going to.
That's where you're going toget a good burger.
That's exactly seriously now wegot that here too.
You know, you get out of townjust a little bit and you got
these gas stations along theserural roads and it's like you
know they got burgers and friesand every friday they got the
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fish fry going and you knowthat's where you're gonna get
the good food.
I love that exactly right.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's not good for for you, but it's fine in
moderation.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, that's all right.
If it's not good for you, theneat it.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I'm just saying it'll taste good, I've had a lot of
gas station food man and this isone of the best I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
That's awesome.
Hey, if you could collaboratewith anybody, Wynn, who would
you like to collaborate with?
Anybody?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, I think the obvious answer would probably be
George.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I was thinking that I'd love to do stuff with Brooks
and Dunn, but man, talkingabout some of these young cats
that are doing some stuff, it'dbe cool to do some stuff with
Zach Jake Worthington's anotherone he actually called me the
other day.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, I love Jake.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
He's like hey man, I'm working out here and I'm
listening to your record.
Just wanted to say it soundsgood how cool is that, when you
get it yeah it's when.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
How cool is that when you get a call from somebody
like jake and they're like dude,just wanted to say hi and let
you know I got some shit goingon here and getting it done and
I got your music on yeah, it'scool man, I've known jake for a
long time.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, it's cool man, I've known jake for a long time
and, uh, you know he's doing histhing and uh, you know it's
always.
You don't always get to talk toother artists as much as you
would like to, um, but man,whenever, whenever jake called
me, I was like man, he did nothave to call me and he did, and
so it was no, exactly right, anice surprise what?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
What if George Strait called you?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I would say yes, sir.
How can I help you, sir?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I'd be like dropping the phone and going all right.
Who's pranking me Right?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
right.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
That is so cool.
Yeah, is there somebody elsebesides George that you really,
really, really look up to or youfeel like, wow, you know what
this guy's got it going?
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, there's quite a few of them, you know.
One would also be Cody Johnson.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Texas boy rodeo guy.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yep, yep.
Cody and I have a very similarstory.
We sold merch for Cody oneweekend and I was like, all
right, I want to do what he'sdoing.
I don't want to be sellingT-shirts.
So you know, cody is one ofthem.
Parker McCollum is a great guy.
We've opened for Parker anumber of times, really before
he exploded into the arenaParker that we know today, a
number of times really before heexploded into the arena Parker
(40:44):
that we know today.
Um, but Parker's a really goodperson, a really you know, uh,
individual who, um, you knowanother Texas guy grew up in
Texas you know very, verysimilar roots to myself, uh, in
that we kind of treat everybody,um, you know, hanging out with
(41:06):
Parker would be, would be, uh,something that I would, that I
would enjoy, is is there someplace that you haven't played,
but it's on your bucket list andyou want to play?
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I have an idea what you're going to say, but we'll
just find out if I'm thinkingright here.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
A lot of places that I want to play.
Probably the one that you'rethinking of might be Billy Bob's
Texas.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Okay, no, but.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Red Rocks.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Oh, man, that would have been my second one.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
But Billy Bob's is good too.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
The reason why Billy Bob's is kind of like number one
for me is because I grew up inFort Worth.
Obviously, yeah, exactly, Ithink we're getting there.
It's just going to be, uh, youknow, getting this music out
(42:04):
there and growing a little bitmore so that we can go in there
and and and have a good showing.
Uh, in terms of, uh, in termsof ticket sales, because it's a
big venue, man, I mean it holdslike 6,000 people, you know,
even 7,000 people.
So you don't want to go inthere and only have a few
hundred show up, you know, youwant to you want to make that
place look pretty busy.
So we've got a lot of good stuffin the works to hopefully grow
(42:30):
up into a venue of that size.
But Red Rocks would be prettybadass man.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, that's on my bucket list.
Hopefully I get to go to catch.
Maybe I'll see you there, whoknows?
But I hope to go there someday.
Have you been to Flores?
Is it Flores General Store?
Speaker 2 (42:49):
It's outside of San Antoniotonio, it's near san
antonio, called helotis helotishelotis, texas florist country
store.
We have played there probablymore than any other venue I've
been there and it is one of myfavorites?
Yeah, one of my favorite.
I love the atmosphere there.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I remember going there.
I did a trip to san antoniodoing some business stuff.
Saw colby cooper okay, mighthave been colby cooper was
playing there that night that wewent, yep, and uh, yeah,
definitely he was probably stagethen he was what he was
probably on the outdoor stagethere.
Yes, it was the outdoor stage.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
It was pretty wide open.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, man, it's a great, great venue.
The food is awesome.
What makes a great venue to meis not just the stage or the
production, but a lot of it hasto do with the staff, and the
people at Floors Country Storedo it right.
(43:52):
You know they always take careof the artists, even if you're
an opening act, which I havebeen at times at Floors they
don't treat you like you're lessthan or that you're the opener.
That's cool you know you alwaysget treated like you're the
headliner there and it's sospecial.
And you know Mark there, whoowns the venue, and Daniel and
(44:17):
Vicky Dixon back there in thekitchen, man whipping it up for
everybody, everybody there isjust so, so great.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
You know everybody there that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, I love it.
I just love it, whenever venuesyou know take care of artists
if you want to be a live musicyou, then you need to take care
of the artists you know it's,it's, we are coming there to
serve you, um, and and you knowwe kind of expect the same from
(44:49):
the staff.
And you know Floors is a placethat does it Another great spot.
I kind of have like twofavorite venues in Texas.
One is Floors Country Store.
It's kind of the old schooldance hall type place.
It's a legendary place.
Willie Wilson used to sleep inthe green room.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yes, he did.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
But there's another great spot in Arlington which is
right outside of the ballparksand then also Cowboys AT&T
Stadium and it's called TexasLive and there's a number of
these kind of all across thecountry.
But Texas Live is like the moremodern, you know, state of the
art thing where you know there'sa bunch of bars and restaurants
(45:31):
and you know a million TVs inthere.
But again, you know it's it,it's yeah, it's the production,
it's the venue itself, but again, the people there are always so
great.
Um, so you know it can be doneno matter where the venue is,
and it doesn't matter if thevenue is is place hole in the
(45:52):
wall or if it's, you know, amassive conglomerate corporate
location.
You can always treat people likeyou're happy that they're there
.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
It sounds.
You know those venues.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
You know, of course, have been to floors but still
just sounds awesome.
And I think it's so cool when Ican speak to an artist like you
and you can go, yeah,so-and-so's in the kitchen and
so-and-so's behind the bar andso-and-so does this, and it's
like, wow, you're on thatfirst-name basis, You've got to
love that and it's got to makefor a great show too, because
you know what it's just likeplaying at home.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Man, whenever you feel you put on a better show,
you know, whenever you feel likeyou're in the zone, so to speak
or you're in your element, thenabsolutely, it shows on stage
for sure.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
So, wynn, you already mentioned where you can get
your music and all that.
Go to the website.
What is that?
Speaker 2 (46:51):
again WynnWilliamsMusiccom.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
That's easy, wynn Williams, and it's W-Y-N-N.
That's right I just want tomake sure everybody gets there.
I mean, it'd probably be theonly way, but still Go there.
Where do you see yourself?
Let's say, five years You'vealready done you know, you've
been around a little bit, you'redoing your thing, you're
banging out some great music,got the second album and dropped
back in August.
(47:14):
No, was it August?
When did that drop?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yep August 29th.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
August 29th.
I knew it was August, couldn'tthink of the date, so all right,
so we're already working on asecond album.
Now let's talk five years downthe road.
Where do you want to be?
What are we going to be doing?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Man, I'd love to be playing stadiums.
Hopefully we're selling outBilly Bob's maybe a night or two
(48:14):
.
I just want to be continuouslymaking music and putting out
music and playing fun shows.
I'm just kind of a normal dude.
I like to be at home with mywife.
I like to just relax at homewith my wife and travel a little
bit and hang out with goodpeople and do fun things and
connect with people through mymusic.
And fortunately, for quite sometime, as you said, but in five
years, man, I hope that you know, I'm just continuing to grow,
not only professionally butpersonally, and I'm able to, you
know, continue doing thingsthat fill me up.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
You got it.
You got quite the road ahead ofyou.
You still got a lot of time,dude, a lot of time I appreciate
it, you know just keep puttingout the music, so that's pretty
cool.
again, we can go on and checkout your music at
winwilliamsmusiccom and, uh, Ijust I'm gonna keep an eye on
you because, I'll be honest withyou, I you know, being in the
northeast and you being fromtexas, there's still that
(48:57):
there's a little bit of you'renot here yet.
You know what I mean.
Does that make sense?
But I know you've done a radiotour and I know you're hitting
up radio stations, you know,probably down in Texas or in the
Midwest or somewhere.
But now it's time to come tothe Northeast and get yourself
known as well, and that's one ofthe things.
That's what I do here in theNortheast, plus with the podcast
(49:19):
and being able to talk to greatartists like yourself is to get
your name out there andhopefully get some listeners I
always say it's one fan at atime.
Get them to go and check youout and maybe download some
music, buy some music, buy somemerch, support the artists.
That's what it's about andthat's why I love Skip Happens.
I do all this on my own andit's pretty cool Some great
(49:40):
people.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Well, man, I know that everybody appreciates how
hard you work on this man.
Hopefully we get to meet inperson soon, yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Get with Kat again and let's be in touch If y'all
ever do any radio shows oranything uh we do up there.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
If you're, if you're affiliated with any venues, man,
let's, let's uh see if we canmake that happen, cause we could
do, maybe we could do some flydates, maybe we could you know
route it all the way up thereand couple of venues we work
with right along and we try todo shows almost every month, and
when we get closer to theholidays I don't do it on the
(50:20):
holidays, but a few weeks before, before the rush begins is I
usually do a like a christmasholiday get together, even
though you know we do it earlyenough where it doesn't
interfere with all the hustleand bustle of the holidays.
So, right, yeah, we'll talkabout that.
Yeah, I, I would.
I'll reach out to Kat.
That's pretty cool.
She's great.
By the way, she sends a lot ofartists my way.
(50:42):
She's one of the good ones.
So, yeah, I don't think yeah, Idon't think I ever met her.
I think she she might've beenat the country radio seminar,
but I don't know if I everreally met her.
I got to think it's like wemeet so many people at these
events.
You know, as an artist, youmeet so many people.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
It's hard to remember .
Yeah, totally, totally, man, Ireally appreciate the invite.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Yeah, right back at you.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
And man, let's keep in touch for sure, and see if we
can gather sometime.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Absolutely.
I'd love to get you back on Nowthat at least I know you a
little bit better and let's youknow my door is always open, so
have cat.
If you've got something goingon and you want to talk about it
, just have her reach out.
We'll do it.
My door is always open.
This is my own studio, my own.
Everything I have here is myown.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
So that's great.
That's great.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Wynne Williams.
There you go and the new album.
Go out and get it.
I got to make sure I get thename right here it's Music
Country Therapy, or is it just?
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Country Therapy, just Country Therapy, yep.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Oh well, she's got the title Music Country Therapy.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Oh well, it's Country Therapy.
I got you, I gotcha dude.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Alright, thanks for coming on Skip Happens tonight.
You know what.
It's cool to chat with you,it's good to get to know you a
little bit and hopefully,whoever's watching this or you
can subscribe as well.
If you go to Skip Happens onYouTube, just click the
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(52:17):
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My name is Skip Clark.
I am the host of Skip Happensand tonight.
First of all, thank you forbeing here, but I'm joined.
We've never met before.
About 30 seconds ago is aboutthe most we've talked.
But when Williams is here, heis an emerging country music
entertainer, texas native,former collegiate steer wrestler
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.
His new project, music CountryTherapy, blends heartfelt lyrics
, timeless twang, contemporaryNashville production channeling
the spirit of George Strait,brooks and Dunn and Tim McGraw
some of my favorites, yours too,I would assume but with his own
authentic Texas stamp.
It's time to dive in and win it.
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It's an honor to meet you, myfriend.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm great and likewise man.
I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Absolutely.
Let's talk about you a littlebit.
Where are you right now?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I am home.
We just moved to Sanger, texas,up near Denton.
I originally grew up inWeatherford, texas, but my wife
and I just moved from Fort Worth, so now we're kind of out in
the country.
We've got a pretty little pieceof land out here and it's nice
and quiet.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I love it.
So I'm looking at you andthere's something about that
classic cowboy credibility.
You're a former collegiate starwrestler, but how did rodeo
life shape your outlook as aperformer?
How did all that happen?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Uh, you know, just the course of life, you, you do
things, you know you play sportsand you go rodeo.
And then, uh, you pick, pick upa guitar and start playing at
those rodeos and and then, um,you know, in college I I decided
I didn't want to do thatforever.
So I started pursuing music alittle bit and kind of learning
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a lot about the business.
And you know, here we are nineyears later doing it full time.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So you're done with the rodeo thing now.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
That's right, man.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I don't rodeo anymore .
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It's been a little while since I've done it, but
you know, rodeo and playingmusic are awfully similar.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Uh, they go together.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
That's right, that's right.
That's a lot of the same, thesame people that I see out on
the road too, and of course I,you know, play a bunch of rodeos
as well.
So, uh, it's always good to seefamiliar faces.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, you must feel right at home when you get the
chance to perform at a rodeo.
It's like it must all come backto you like really quick saying
.
You know I used to do this,this is cool.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's great to uh, great to be around
those those kinds of folks and,uh, it was a part of my life for
for a long time and it still is, just in a different, just in a
different perspective.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah.
So, um, tell me, are therecertain artists or moments that
actually pulled you into thecountry music side of things?
I mean, being in Texas, youknow we get George Strait and
all those some great on top ofall the great Texas artists that
we have, because you have yourown chart and everything there.
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I mean I was a fan of Pat Green, randy Rogers, I can go on and
on, definitely good stuff, butyou know what artists pulled you
into the country music in thefirst place?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Man.
Like it says you know on my bioon my website, it's like I grew
up listening to 90s country,early 2000s country.
The first song I ever sang in apublic setting was when I was
six years old.
I sang she Thinks my Tractor'sSexy by Kenny Chesney.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
At the age of six.
That's right, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I also come from a musical family.
Everybody sings, my dad playsguitar.
It kind of runs a little bit inthe family.
I was in choir for four yearsin high school.
I just have always loved musicand I've always always loved
singing and it kind of madesense for me.
You know, once I, once Igraduated from school, I was
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like all right, well, I'm brokenow, so I might as well at least
go try this for a little while.
And I'm still broke, you know,nine years later.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
It's you and I both brother.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
At least how to stay busy.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, exactly.
So you've got Music CountryTherapy.
Tell me a little bit about that.
That's pretty strong.
Why the title and what does itmean to you personally?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, country Therapy is an album that we put
together.
It just came out, obviouslylast week, very exciting stuff.
It just came out, obviouslylast week, very exciting stuff.
We kind of tapped into theNashville scene, if you will.
I've been writing my own musicfor a long time and recording as
well up in Nashville.
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So you know, as I've gottenbusier as a touring act,
specifically this year and lastyear, our calendar has gotten
crazy busy.
I hadn't had as much time towrite as much as I would have
liked to this album.
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Man, I've got two songs onthere that I wrote Country
Therapy and.
Denver to Dallas.
Everything else is an outsidesong For the viewers out there.
What that means is I didn'twrite the song but uh, you know
other people did and we, we wentaround to publishers in
Nashville and asked for somegreat music and fortunately we
got some.
And, uh, we picked, we pickedthe best songs, probably out of
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about 50 or 60, uh tunes that welistened to and it could have
been more than that, honestlybut some great songs by some
great songwriters.
And you know we put together analbum that kind of fits, fits,
whatever boots the fan wants toput on that day.
Because you know there'sthere's a little bit of
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something for everyone in thisrecord.
You know there's heartbreaksongs, there's beer drinking
songs, there's kind oftongue-in-cheek type stuff, and
you know the classic countrysound is blended with the modern
country thing that's going onas well.
So if somebody can't find asong on this album Country
Therapy that they don't like,then they just don't like it at
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all.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, something's wrong if they can.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And that's kind of what I'm getting out of all this
.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So yeah, absolutely so.
I can only assume that you knowI mentioned George Straitbrooks
and done Tim McGraw.
You're going to hear a lot ofthat type of sound on this album
.
Country therapy yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Cool, fun stuff.
Have you been able to?
Because you're in Texas, haveyou been able to get on that
chart at all?
Or are you just making trips toNashville and kind of going
that route?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, we've done some stuff with Texas Radio.
Currently we're kind offocusing on the social media
side of things in terms of promo.
But you know, we've certainlydone a radio tour and all that
kind of stuff.
Down here we're still kind of,you know, looking to break into
the national markets if you will.
But a lot of that also comesfrom, you know, just touring
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around and getting in front ofthese program directors and
folks like yourself that wehaven't you know, that we
haven't played for in the pastor maybe, maybe we're just not
quite on their radar yet.
So uh you know, this year we'regetting out of state a lot,
which is great because I'mhitting some of these markets
that, uh, you know, went toradio, went on, went on radio
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tour, uh, several years ago, andI'm getting to go back and
revisit some of these spots.
So, uh, it's really exciting,man I this, this album is is
something that you know weworked really hard on and I'm
glad to to finally get it outthere and hopefully many of the
people you know, uh, on yourside of things, go out and help
us promote it.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Exactly so with you, you win Williams and your album
uh country therapy.
What, um, if you were todescribe that record to somebody
who hasn't heard it yet, howwould you do that?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Man probably exactly how I just talked about it what
you just said?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, there's literally
something for every kind ofcountry music fan on this album,
and if I can't please someonewith this album, they just can't
be pleased.
I mean, it's as simple as it is.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
It's a little bit of everything.
God, I love that, definitelydefinitely good stuff.
I've got to dig into it alittle bit more and I can't wait
to hear the whole project.
So you get your Texas twang oldschool instrumentation.
Did you insist on keeping evenwith modern Nashville polish, so
to speak?
I mean because you know there'sthat change going on, there's
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that kind of a different sound,but yet we got your sound as
well.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah it's.
You know it's important to kindof keep those traditional roots
.
Yeah, it's important to kind ofkeep those traditional roots.
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You're not going to hearanything on there.
That's really too out of theordinary.
I mean, it's a live band in asteps.
You know, from writing the songall the way to.
You know mixing and mastering.
You know it's all a machinethat involves a lot of
professionals.
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that know, there, there is someof that.
It's not really as bad anymore,but but there's some of that.
You know, uh, back and forth,that you get between oh, you
know you're going to Nashvilleand you know you're doing this
Nashville thing and, man, theycall it music city for a reason.
Uh, that's where everythinghappens, that's where the best
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of the best are.
So, in my opinion, if you'renot going to Nashville and
you're not at least writingsongs with some of those guys
and you're not at least havinglunch with some of those people,
you're not really playing thegame and giving yourself a fair
shot, because that's kind of theepicenter of everything.
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And, quite frankly, if youlisten to the product that we've
got on Country Therapy I'msaying this with as much
humility as you're willing toaccept put it up against
anything else that's not comingout of Nashville, and I would be
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willing to bet that it probablysounds a lot better.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I bet you it does.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
That's great how often, wynn, how often do you
get back to Nashville?
So I was going once a month forabout a week at a time, and I
do like to do that.
But but again, I've been sobusy, like this summer man, I
think I've been home maybe likemaybe two weeks out of the past
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since, like mid July, um, therefor two weeks came back home.
Wonderful wife packed up ourentire house while I was in
Europe.
I flew back on the 30th of June, we moved on the 2nd of August,
I left on the 6th of August.
Oh, man, man, I just reallyhaven't had an opportunity to
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get to Nashville between all thedates and then also trying to
have a personal life.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Was that the first trip to Europe for you to play?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Man, it wasn't.
I've gone over there the pastseveral years Last year we went
to Hawaii.
And it is so much fun goingover there.
If you've never gone, I wouldhighly recommend going and
checking out a festival, becauseit is incredible.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
See what I'm hearing is if you're playing over there,
I mean the fans of country justover the top, it's like they
know your music, they sing itback to you, they know every
track that's on that album.
You know, I've heard that froma lot of different artists that
have gone.
You know the C2C and this andthat, but just to be there on
that stage and see the reactionof those fans is out of this
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world.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Oh yeah, it is.
It's an amazing experience.
It's.
It's kind of hard to justexplain it, but when people do
ask, you know they're alwayssurprised that country music is
so, so interesting and so bigover there.
But but it's huge man, and Ikind of think it's just because
you know we've got country music24-7, specifically in Texas,
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definitely in Nashville.
So those you know, those folksdon't get that all the time.
So whenever it does, come totown, boy, they show up and they
show up big and they treat youso well.
So going over there and playingis honestly it's one of the
most exciting parts of my career, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah.
It's just got to be so cool todo that.
I've heard that from a lot ofdifferent artists.
Let's talk about yoursongwriting a little bit.
When Wynn Williams is who, asyou can see, is who I'm speaking
with tonight on the SkipHappens podcast but you know,
when you're writing or choosingsongs, what's your test for, and
I would say is this a WynnWilliams song?
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How do you know it's your?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
song.
Well, you know a lot of it kindof stems from again that
country early 2000s influence.
You know lyrics were important.
You know you're not singingabout something that you know
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doesn't make sense or maybe it's.
You know it doesn't tell a storyor it doesn't have a message or
something like that.
You know all of my stuff,probably for the most part, has
some kind of story or message toshare, but some of those of
those songs that uh like a songcalled here for the beer on this
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new album, uh, it's kind ofexactly what it says.
It's like, you know I'm, I'mnot here for anything else
except to have a few drinks and,uh, you know some of that is is
is important too, uh, because alot of people will put music on
and just to kind of escape fromthat everyday, mundane life
that that we all live, uh, herein America.
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But, uh, that's kind of what thewhole premise of country
therapy is all about, andwhenever I'm writing songs, I
always try to keep that in mind.
You know, even if even if it'ssomething that maybe I don't
quite relate to as much, I knowthat there are better fishermen
than me, or you know, there's alot of rodeo cowboys out there,
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but then there's also peoplethat think that rodeo is the
coolest thing in the world, andthey've never done it, but they
love to identify with that too.
So there's a lot of that stuff,man, personal experience.
And also I like to justconsider the fact that the song,
the song, just needs to speakto someone's heart, and if
that's my heart, or if that'syour heart, then you know I've
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done my job as a songwriter.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Do you think you'll ever go back to riding or, you
know, steer wrestling oranything like that being at the
rodeo?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Man, I think that the best thing that anybody's going
to get out of me is is ridingaround in a granite tree and
waving my hand.
I gotcha as I uh, you know,step off, step off the stage or
get ready to step on the stage,but no, I, I, uh, I injured
myself pretty good.
I.
I tore my acl and my meniscusand my right knee and and
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that'll do it you know it's,it's, it's, it's better now, but
uh, I really don't want to know.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Once you, once you heard it, you can hurt it again
fairly easy.
I mean, you know, you don'twant to take that chance.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, exactly, I got too many trips to europe coming
up, so uh, there you go, thereyou go.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
When's your next trip ?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Uh, no, I'm just kidding, I just got back, but,
uh, I'm hoping to get back nextyear.
We're already talking about umsome, some other shows next year
.
So, uh, if I can make it a kindof an annual thing to go over
there and play um, I wouldreally like to do that and so
far, for the past I don't know,maybe three, four years we've
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been able to achieve that.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, is this like a C2C, like I mentioned a few
minutes ago?
Is that what it is, or is thissomething way different?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, it's not C2C, it's just going over there, you
know, playing some some smallerfestivals and playing some clubs
and and little venues overthere.
Right, I'm hoping that C2C isin our future.
You know it's.
I've got to go to.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Ireland.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
That actually is another trip that I'm taking,
but it's kind of a personal trip.
I'm going for a wedding.
I got you, but I'm hoping thatI can, you know, string together
a couple of shows.
It's kind of like right afterC2C, so maybe we'll be able to
catch the tail end of C2C andthen go do some celebrating for
a wedding.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, so to let everybody know, when you go, you
book all this stuff on your ownand you go and well, you get
the gigs to pay for your trip togo over there and do all that.
I would assume correct.
Is that how you do it?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, so several years ago I went over there and
played in Italy and the bandleader, I play with a European
band.
I send them all my music, theylearn it and it's great.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's just a little more economical.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know, instead of spending on plane tickets, I can
spend a couple thousand on myplane ticket and then I can go
over there and play.
But anyway, I met this bandleader.
His name is jay and um, youknow he, he goes out and he
plays a lot of these festivalsand plays a lot of these clubs,
so he'll kind of book some showsfor me and back me um with with
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his band.
We're working with caa.
We started working with them in.
January and uh, you know things,things are evolving a little
bit on the booking side, but uh,you know, it's still.
It's still one of those thingswhere you know I'm I'm at a
point where I'm still, you know,bringing a lot of stuff to the
table as well, but our agent,man, our agent, is killing it
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this year.
Uh, his name's Andrew and he'sman our agent is killing it this
year.
Uh, his name's andrew and andhe's man, he's just busted to
get us so many of these showsand, and you know, a large part
of our, of our, uh, touringschedule has been because of
andrew, so, um you know, it's ateam effort.
You know you got a lot of folksbehind the scenes, that and uh.
At the end of the day, you know, if I was doing it all by
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myself, I would not.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It would be difficult , quite a success.
Yeah, no, exactly, it's justyeah.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It's just so much to do between.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
If you were to do it, yeah, yeah, that's another
thing too, like why you knowyou're asking about my
songwriting.
It's, um, a lot.
I kind of tell people likewhenever I'm in texas, that's my
like business space of sorts,because I'm always, like, you
know, doing accounting or I'mdoing, uh, you know, social
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media stuff, or I'm advancingshows, doing tour management
type stuff, or maybe getting thenew tires on the van or
something like that.
But whenever I go to Nashville,I'm able to kind of, you know,
compartmentalize a little bitand I can say, okay, I'm in
Nashville so I can be creative.
So then I, you know, go in andbe present writing songs or be
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present in the studio.
So you know, it's certainly abalance, but you can't do it all
by yourself if you want to grow.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Now, so you were talking about.
You come from a family ofmusicians.
You said your dad plays guitar.
I mean the whole family.
They all do a little somethingon that side of things.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, everybody sings Cool, my dad plays guitar and
sings, and also my granddad onmy mom's side.
He had a band, acountry-western band, back in
the 70s, late 60s, early 70s,and he played around Texas and
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he was invited to be a Texasplayboy with Bob Wills.
Oh wow, turn that down.
You know, it's something that,like I said, man, it just kind
of runs, I guess, in our blood.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt, absolutely.
That is cool.
Is there, let's say, you know,country therapy on that album?
Is there an emotionalcenterpiece?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
for you.
It's one of my favorite songsI've ever written.
I wrote with Bryce Long andJeff Hyde and dude, it's just
like it's not necessarily likeemotional for me and then it
tears at my heartstrings or oranything.
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It's emotional for me justbecause, to me, like the way
that that song is written andI'm giving all credit to Jeff
Hyde and Bryce Long Causethey're future hall of Fame
songwriters Just the way thatthat particular song is written
is like country music to AT.
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For me it's a story song.
It kind of tells this storyabout these two people meeting
on an airplane to Dallas.
It starts with a conversationand all of a sudden you know
they're hitting it off and andmaking a connection and uh, and
then that's a movie, dude youknow, starting, starting this
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life that is up in forever.
So it's like to me that'scountry music, man, and and if
you listen to the song you knowyou're going to hear fiddle and
steel and really pretty pianoand all those elements of that
90s country era.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
You know, when you talk about that, I think of
artists like Zach Topp as well,who's kind of thrown it back to
the 90s.
And you know, if the AlanJackson sound from Chattahoochee
to some George Strayed to is,you know we've already mentioned
George, but still for a newer,younger artist, I think is Zach
Topp.
Now, you know, I definitelyhave to dig into some of your
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stuff too, because I absolutelylove that and that whole style.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
All that's coming back, dude, everything's, like
you know, going full circle Atleast I think it is A hundred
percent, man, and you're talking, you're, you know, going full
circle.
At least I think it is Ahundred percent, man, and you're
talking, you're?
You know, you're speaking mylanguage.
But there's a song on the albumcalled put the shovel down.
Uh, and, ironically enough, um,alan Jackson's producer, call
uh, wrote this song and uh, wewere.
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We were sitting in his uh, inhis office listening to some
stuff and he played put Put theShovel Down on a demo and I was
like, dude, I love this song,this is country music and anyway
, we cut the song.
And man, I encourage you to golisten to it, because it is
quintessential country music,exactly how you like it.
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There's a lot of other greatstuff on there.
There's a song right now that'sgetting a really good response,
yeah, and it's called she ain'tyou, um, and it's kind of a a
little bit of an introspectivewho can be, uh, stubborn and and
and I've been called hardheadedmany a times, uh, probably more
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than I than I'd like to admit,but that particular song again
was a song that was pitched tous and it immediately just
reminded me of myself and thatone's getting a great response.
We also recut the Fireman, ohyeah, straight by George Strait,
put a little bit of a moderntwist on it.
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So yeah, man, if you don't likecountry music, I don't know.
If you don't like something onthis album, I don't know.
I don't think you like countrymusic because Right, exactly,
exactly.
There's something.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I love that, I love that thought of that, and so
this is the first full albumthat you put out no, this is
actually my second full lengthsecond okay, yep all right, I
put out a uh, my very first fulllength record in in 2020, and
that was 14 songs.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I believe, um, I believe, I think this one is 12.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
They go anywhere from 12, 12 to 15 now, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, yeah so, but I've had a couple of things.
I've had a couple of things,like you know, working in
between that time.
I also had an EP that came outin 2017, right after I graduated
from school.
So, man, I've been doing it fora while and it's just so's just
so expensive to, uh, to go outand record this music,
especially in Nashville, man,it's it's pretty crazy.
It's crazy how expensive, um,how expensive it can get, but,
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but you know, you pay for whatyou get to.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
No, no, no, exactly right.
And I think a lot of viewers ora lot of listeners don't
realize that once you step footin the studio, you got rental
time, you got to pay for theplayers, you've got all this
stuff and it adds up and, yeah,you want to do it, but you know,
reality speaks that it's veryexpensive.
It's like how am I going to dothis?
But if you want to do it,you're going to do it.
You'll find a way to do it, andobviously you have, and it's
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really good.
So well, thank you very muchthat's what a lot of people
don't realize, that that, uh,you know you gotta pay for the
players again.
Let's say you know oh yeahspace rental, all the good stuff
you want to.
What kind of guitar?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
all right, well, that's gonna cost you all right,
right, yeah, yeah, I think Irecord vocals on like like a
forty thousand dollar vocal oh,exactly that and uh, and it's
exactly but except for theartist it's not exactly the sure
sm7b, I can tell you that muchso yeah, yeah, you know um, I
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forgot what I was gonna ask you.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
That ain't too smart, but um, anyway.
So you're online.
Where can somebody get yourmusic and listen to it?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
yeah, you can.
Uh, I tell people the one-stopshop is winwilliamsmusiccom.
Perfect, obviously, all theplatforms buying or streaming
music.
We've got CDs of the new albumas well and the old stuff for
this record, um that a lot offolks are into vinyl again
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nowadays so uh you can hop onthe, hop on the store online and
get yourself a vinyl and behappy to happy to ship it to you
.
Um, but yeah man, anywhereanybody listens to music.
We've got some stuff on youtubeas well music videos, um, all
that good stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
What made you go with the vinyl?
Now, I'm saying that because Ilove vinyl and I got a case of
vinyl Zach Topp albums today atthe radio station for what we
call a winner's weekend.
But they're all vinyl.
It's like it's all coming back.
And when I get the vinyl in themail I start thinking about my
radio days back in the 80s, whenwe were getting albums left and
(27:07):
right.
So, that's cool.
Why did you do that?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I've been asked several times if I have vinyl.
Whenever I'm out at shows onthe road we've got a merch table
, of course, and several peoplehave come up and said, man, have
you got any vinyl?
When are you getting vinyl?
And I'm like, oh dude, I guessthat more and more.
Um, so we decided we would dokind of a limited run of vinyl,
(27:34):
uh, for this album and uh, youknow it should be, it should be
on my doorstep any any momentnow so I can get it.
Get it out to the folks thathave ordered some.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Awesome, and if they do, would you autograph it?
Then send it to them.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, of course, yeah , totally.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
OK, you might have a little message in there for me,
like I'm going to buy one.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I want it autographed , so now we can make that happen
.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I know you can, I know you can.
Let's say, let's talk a littlebit about more.
About you, though, born andraised in Texas.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
What was this?
Your first, first town?
Where did you grow up?
Again, tell me, I grew up in atown called weatherford, texas
weatherford okay weatherford,all one word weatherford
weatherford yeah, okay that'show you spell it, weatherford,
but it's all one wordweatherford.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I got you.
I got you.
Now, if, um, if I was to driveinto your hometown, I can't
imagine there's a whole lot ofroads, maybe just a couple main
dregs that take you into town.
If I was coming in, let's say,from the north, what would be
the first thing I would see?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
If you were coming in from the north of Weatherford,
uh, you would probably run intouh, one of the million banks
that are in town, or maybe achicken restaurant or a car wash
.
It's kind of a joke that, uh,you know banks, chicken
restaurants and car washes.
Um, weatherford used to be asmall town, but okay it's been
(29:06):
adopted, uh, essentially by FortWorth.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I got you All right, but the town I'm in now.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Uh, where we live now is much more my speed in that.
Uh, there's not too manyrestaurants around and only one
bank.
Uh, you know only one actuallythere's there's two chicken
restaurants right now, but butnow this, the place where we
live now a lot, a lot more ruralthan than Weatherford, you know
(29:42):
, in town, is now.
Of course, weatherford is, likeyou know, stephenville, texas.
They call the capital of theworld, but but I would probably
argue that that Weatherford, uh,is in the running for that Um,
because a lot of, a lot of, uh,you know, western industry folks
, um, live in Weatherford andand it's it's actually
considered the cutting horsecapital of the world uh, which
is another event that's notquite involved in rodeo, but
(30:05):
it's still an equine, uh,western lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Are you?
Are you into that Westernlifestyle?
I mean, you're from Texas, youknow you've ridden in the rodeo,
you've done all that, so Iwould.
I can only assume that's yourlifestyle, man, you're like the
cowboy, which is cool.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, well, you know it's a part of my life, it's.
It's how I kind of grew up.
Um, you know, we don't have anyhorses, uh, here in our new
place.
Uh, we got some cows out there,but uh, you know, it's a lot.
I don't even think I could havehorses right now because I'm
just so busy and it's such ait's such a big responsibility.
Um, man, you know, I'm enjoyingjust living out here on this.
(30:49):
Like I said, I haven't beenaround much, but it's 13 acres
and we don't have any of thehustle and bustle.
My wife and I lived in FortWorth, in the city, for six
years.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Oh, that had to be nuts.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Man, we loved it.
We absolutely loved it.
It was convenient I could be onthe interstate, which was handy
for touring, but we had alittle bitty house on a busy
street and it was kind of timefor us to get out of Fort Worth.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, how does it?
You know your wife is a trooperbecause you're on the road all
the time, unless she's goingwith you, but she could be
holding the fort down back athome.
She is a trooper because ittakes a lot to do that and she's
letting you.
It's your passion and you'rededicated to your craft and
she's given you that opportunityto go chase it.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Tell me a little bit about your wife.
Man, she, like you said she's arock star in her own right.
We met.
She grew up in Keller, Texas,which is not too far from
Weatherford, actually, but wedidn't meet until we both
transferred into Texas A&M, uh,in 2015.
(32:10):
Um, we had three class togetherso we saw each other every day.
Um, at school, ended up workingon some group projects together
and, um, you know, just kind ofhit it off and and, uh, we
started dating actually aftercollege.
And, um, you know, she's of hitit off and we started dating
actually after college.
And you know she's always knownthat I was pursuing music.
(32:35):
You know we hung out a ton incollege and she would come out
to shows.
As a matter of fact, there wasone show I played in college.
She was the only person in thecrowd.
So you know, she has definitelybeen with me through thick and
thin.
So, dude, you know what thathas definitely been.
She's been with me through, uh,thinking.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
So, dude, you know what that means.
That was meant to be.
So that's cool, that's cool,that's cool Absolutely.
Do you guys have kids?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Not yet no not yet.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
We've always talked about.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
You know, whenever we turn 30, we'll start having the
conversation, and we justturned 31.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
So time to start that , but then again that's right
yeah.
What about pets?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, we uh, his name is Topo.
Like Topo Chico the drink, heis an Australian shepherd.
He's, uh, let's see, he's 10months old and, um, he is, he's
a good little boy man.
He's.
He's, uh, he's, you know, stilla puppy, uh.
But but, hannah, my wife, um,she's done a great job at you
(33:35):
know, getting him trained up andand making sure he's he's, uh,
you know, doing what we'retelling him to do.
Um, but, yeah, I mean, you'reexactly right, she's great.
I wouldn't be able to do thiswithout her.
Like I, said the whole housewhile I was in Europe for two
weeks and then whenever I gotback, you know.
(33:57):
But we make it work.
She knew early on what she wassigning up for, so it's all good
.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
That's awesome, man, that's awesome.
You drive a Silverado.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I do, I knew it.
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I knew it.
Every artist I talk to I take aguess and I usually guess
Silverado, All right, andthey'll go yeah, you're right.
Very rarely do I say no, it'sFord or it's Dodge, I got the
Ram, I got this, but most of thetime it's the Silverado.
Now, I have nothing to do withChevy, I'm just saying that and
I've had one myself.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, this has been a greattruck.
Actually, oddly enough, it wasmy wife's.
I had a Dodge.
It was my first truck.
I took it 254 miles.
And it started to get about her.
I had to get rid of it and Itook the Silverado.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Nice, very nice.
So when you, when you go out ontour, though, are you pulling a
trailer?
Um, you got the van.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
We're rocking in a van and trailer now.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
We're, uh, we're, gunning for that bus, though
that that would be nice.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
You know the way you're going when it looks like
it could happen sooner ratherthan later.
So just have to, you know, playyour cards right, and it looks
like you're doing that.
Have you been to the northeastat all?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
man, I haven't been up there to play any shows, uh,
but I've spent.
I haven't spent any time in newyork, but I have spent some
time in boston and I really,really like Boston.
Um, I went up there whenever Iwas in college.
Just um, I literally went thereby myself.
Uh, I was an intern Southwestairline.
So I got to fly for free, uh,went to the airport, looked at
(35:56):
the screen and said where shouldI go?
So I went to Boston and uh, andI did like Fenway, you know,
tour and and and the North endof Boston, and got to do a lot
of really cool stuff.
So I took my wife up there acouple of years ago.
But, man, I would love to cometo the Northeast because I
understand it's it's kind of ahotspot for country music right
(36:19):
now.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
It is, and we're in central New York.
So we're upstate and I'm not.
You know if you some peoplethink New York is New York City
and upstate is Poughkeepsie andPoughkeepsie is just north of
New York.
No, we're actually upstate,right at the crossroads.
I guess Syracuse is right inthe center of the state, but
(36:40):
this is the time of the yearhere where fall is starting to
set in.
The leaves are just beginningto change.
You know, I mean a couple ofweeks ago it was 90 degrees.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Today I woke up at 50 .
So it's crazy.
That's awesome, that's crazy.
It's a beautiful part of thecountry.
I hope that we can get up thereAbsolutely.
I've never spent any timeoutside of outside of Boston, so
you know I'm itching to get upthere because I know for one, I
just love traveling and I loveseeing new places and I love
eating great food and I knowthat you can get that in the
(37:13):
Northeast.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Oh yeah, Well, Boston , you got the lobster.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Definitely good, definitely good stuff.
What is like where you are now.
What would you say is thefavorite food?
What is really popular besidesthe chicken places on the corner
?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Man, my wife and I, we do not discriminate whenever
it comes to cuisine.
We love pretty much everything.
But there's a pretty goodlittle Mexican food place here
in town and a little Italian,but it's hard to beat a good, a
good old cheeseburgers.
There's a gas station here thatactually makes cheeseburgers
and they are jam up man.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Aren't they the best, seriously.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
You find those places along the road and it's like
you're going to.
That's where you're going toget a good burger.
That's exactly seriously now wegot that here too.
You know, you get out of townjust a little bit and you got
these gas stations along theserural roads and it's like you
know they got burgers and friesand every friday they got the
(38:19):
fish fry going and you knowthat's where you're gonna get
the good food.
I love that exactly right.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's not good for for you, but it's fine in
moderation.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, that's all right.
If it's not good for you, theneat it.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I'm just saying it'll taste good, I've had a lot of
gas station food man and this isone of the best I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
That's awesome.
Hey, if you could collaboratewith anybody, Wynn, who would
you like to collaborate with?
Anybody?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, I think the obvious answer would probably be
George.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I was thinking that I'd love to do stuff with Brooks
and Dunn, but man, talkingabout some of these young cats
that are doing some stuff, it'dbe cool to do some stuff with
Zach Jake Worthington's anotherone he actually called me the
other day.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, I love Jake.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
He's like hey man, I'm working out here and I'm
listening to your record.
Just wanted to say it soundsgood how cool is that, when you
get it yeah it's when.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
How cool is that when you get a call from somebody
like jake and they're like dude,just wanted to say hi and let
you know I got some shit goingon here and getting it done and
I got your music on yeah, it'scool man, I've known jake for a
long time.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, it's cool man, I've known jake for a long time
and, uh, you know he's doing histhing and uh, you know it's
always.
You don't always get to talk toother artists as much as you
would like to, um, but man,whenever, whenever jake called
me, I was like man, he did nothave to call me and he did, and
so it was no, exactly right, anice surprise what?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
What if George Strait called you?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
I would say yes, sir.
How can I help you, sir?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I'd be like dropping the phone and going all right.
Who's pranking me Right?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
right.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
That is so cool.
Yeah, is there somebody elsebesides George that you really,
really, really look up to or youfeel like, wow, you know what
this guy's got it going?
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, there's quite a few of them, you know.
One would also be Cody Johnson.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Texas boy rodeo guy.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yep, yep.
Cody and I have a very similarstory.
We sold merch for Cody oneweekend and I was like, all
right, I want to do what he'sdoing.
I don't want to be sellingT-shirts.
So you know, cody is one ofthem.
Parker McCollum is a great guy.
We've opened for Parker anumber of times, really before
he exploded into the arenaParker that we know today, a
number of times really before heexploded into the arena Parker
(40:44):
that we know today.
Um, but Parker's a really goodperson, a really you know, uh,
individual who, um, you knowanother Texas guy grew up in
Texas you know very, verysimilar roots to myself, uh, in
that we kind of treat everybody,um, you know, hanging out with
(41:06):
Parker would be, would be, uh,something that I would, that I
would enjoy, is is there someplace that you haven't played,
but it's on your bucket list andyou want to play?
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I have an idea what you're going to say, but we'll
just find out if I'm thinkingright here.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
A lot of places that I want to play.
Probably the one that you'rethinking of might be Billy Bob's
Texas.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Okay, no, but.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Red Rocks.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Oh, man, that would have been my second one.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
But Billy Bob's is good too.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
The reason why Billy Bob's is kind of like number one
for me is because I grew up inFort Worth.
Obviously, yeah, exactly, Ithink we're getting there.
It's just going to be, uh, youknow, getting this music out
(42:04):
there and growing a little bitmore so that we can go in there
and and and have a good showing.
Uh, in terms of, uh, in termsof ticket sales, because it's a
big venue, man, I mean it holdslike 6,000 people, you know,
even 7,000 people.
So you don't want to go inthere and only have a few
hundred show up, you know, youwant to you want to make that
place look pretty busy.
So we've got a lot of good stuffin the works to hopefully grow
(42:30):
up into a venue of that size.
But Red Rocks would be prettybadass man.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, that's on my bucket list.
Hopefully I get to go to catch.
Maybe I'll see you there, whoknows?
But I hope to go there someday.
Have you been to Flores?
Is it Flores General Store?
Speaker 2 (42:49):
It's outside of San Antoniotonio, it's near san
antonio, called helotis helotishelotis, texas florist country
store.
We have played there probablymore than any other venue I've
been there and it is one of myfavorites?
Yeah, one of my favorite.
I love the atmosphere there.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I remember going there.
I did a trip to san antoniodoing some business stuff.
Saw colby cooper okay, mighthave been colby cooper was
playing there that night that wewent, yep, and uh, yeah,
definitely he was probably stagethen he was what he was
probably on the outdoor stagethere.
Yes, it was the outdoor stage.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
It was pretty wide open.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, man, it's a great, great venue.
The food is awesome.
What makes a great venue to meis not just the stage or the
production, but a lot of it hasto do with the staff, and the
people at Floors Country Storedo it right.
(43:52):
You know they always take careof the artists, even if you're
an opening act, which I havebeen at times at Floors they
don't treat you like you're lessthan or that you're the opener.
That's cool you know you alwaysget treated like you're the
headliner there and it's sospecial.
And you know Mark there, whoowns the venue, and Daniel and
(44:17):
Vicky Dixon back there in thekitchen, man whipping it up for
everybody, everybody there isjust so, so great.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
You know everybody there that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, I love it.
I just love it, whenever venuesyou know take care of artists
if you want to be a live musicyou, then you need to take care
of the artists you know it's,it's, we are coming there to
serve you, um, and and you knowwe kind of expect the same from
(44:49):
the staff.
And you know Floors is a placethat does it Another great spot.
I kind of have like twofavorite venues in Texas.
One is Floors Country Store.
It's kind of the old schooldance hall type place.
It's a legendary place.
Willie Wilson used to sleep inthe green room.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yes, he did.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
But there's another great spot in Arlington which is
right outside of the ballparksand then also Cowboys AT&T
Stadium and it's called TexasLive and there's a number of
these kind of all across thecountry.
But Texas Live is like the moremodern, you know, state of the
art thing where you know there'sa bunch of bars and restaurants
(45:31):
and you know a million TVs inthere.
But again, you know it's it,it's yeah, it's the production,
it's the venue itself, but again, the people there are always so
great.
Um, so you know it can be doneno matter where the venue is,
and it doesn't matter if thevenue is is place hole in the
(45:52):
wall or if it's, you know, amassive conglomerate corporate
location.
You can always treat people likeyou're happy that they're there
.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
It sounds.
You know those venues.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
You know, of course, have been to floors but still
just sounds awesome.
And I think it's so cool when Ican speak to an artist like you
and you can go, yeah,so-and-so's in the kitchen and
so-and-so's behind the bar andso-and-so does this, and it's
like, wow, you're on thatfirst-name basis, You've got to
love that and it's got to makefor a great show too, because
you know what it's just likeplaying at home.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Man, whenever you feel you put on a better show,
you know, whenever you feel likeyou're in the zone, so to speak
or you're in your element, thenabsolutely, it shows on stage
for sure.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
So, wynn, you already mentioned where you can get
your music and all that.
Go to the website.
What is that?
Speaker 2 (46:51):
again WynnWilliamsMusiccom.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
That's easy, wynn Williams, and it's W-Y-N-N.
That's right I just want tomake sure everybody gets there.
I mean, it'd probably be theonly way, but still Go there.
Where do you see yourself?
Let's say, five years You'vealready done you know, you've
been around a little bit, you'redoing your thing, you're
banging out some great music,got the second album and dropped
back in August.
(47:14):
No, was it August?
When did that drop?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yep August 29th.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
August 29th.
I knew it was August, couldn'tthink of the date, so all right,
so we're already working on asecond album.
Now let's talk five years downthe road.
Where do you want to be?
What are we going to be doing?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Man, I'd love to be playing stadiums.
Hopefully we're selling outBilly Bob's maybe a night or two
(48:14):
.
I just want to be continuouslymaking music and putting out
music and playing fun shows.
I'm just kind of a normal dude.
I like to be at home with mywife.
I like to just relax at homewith my wife and travel a little
bit and hang out with goodpeople and do fun things and
connect with people through mymusic.
And fortunately, for quite sometime, as you said, but in five
years, man, I hope that you know, I'm just continuing to grow,
not only professionally butpersonally, and I'm able to, you
know, continue doing thingsthat fill me up.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
You got it.
You got quite the road ahead ofyou.
You still got a lot of time,dude, a lot of time I appreciate
it, you know just keep puttingout the music, so that's pretty
cool.
again, we can go on and checkout your music at
winwilliamsmusiccom and, uh, Ijust I'm gonna keep an eye on
you because, I'll be honest withyou, I you know, being in the
northeast and you being fromtexas, there's still that
(48:57):
there's a little bit of you'renot here yet.
You know what I mean.
Does that make sense?
But I know you've done a radiotour and I know you're hitting
up radio stations, you know,probably down in Texas or in the
Midwest or somewhere.
But now it's time to come tothe Northeast and get yourself
known as well, and that's one ofthe things.
That's what I do here in theNortheast, plus with the podcast
(49:19):
and being able to talk to greatartists like yourself is to get
your name out there andhopefully get some listeners I
always say it's one fan at atime.
Get them to go and check youout and maybe download some
music, buy some music, buy somemerch, support the artists.
That's what it's about andthat's why I love Skip Happens.
I do all this on my own andit's pretty cool Some great
(49:40):
people.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Well, man, I know that everybody appreciates how
hard you work on this man.
Hopefully we get to meet inperson soon, yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Get with Kat again and let's be in touch If y'all
ever do any radio shows oranything uh we do up there.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
If you're, if you're affiliated with any venues, man,
let's, let's uh see if we canmake that happen, cause we could
do, maybe we could do some flydates, maybe we could you know
route it all the way up thereand couple of venues we work
with right along and we try todo shows almost every month, and
when we get closer to theholidays I don't do it on the
(50:20):
holidays, but a few weeks before, before the rush begins is I
usually do a like a christmasholiday get together, even
though you know we do it earlyenough where it doesn't
interfere with all the hustleand bustle of the holidays.
So, right, yeah, we'll talkabout that.
Yeah, I, I would.
I'll reach out to Kat.
That's pretty cool.
She's great.
By the way, she sends a lot ofartists my way.
(50:42):
She's one of the good ones.
So, yeah, I don't think yeah, Idon't think I ever met her.
I think she she might've beenat the country radio seminar,
but I don't know if I everreally met her.
I got to think it's like wemeet so many people at these
events.
You know, as an artist, youmeet so many people.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
It's hard to remember .
Yeah, totally, totally, man, Ireally appreciate the invite.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Yeah, right back at you.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
And man, let's keep in touch for sure, and see if we
can gather sometime.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Absolutely.
I'd love to get you back on Nowthat at least I know you a
little bit better and let's youknow my door is always open, so
have cat.
If you've got something goingon and you want to talk about it
, just have her reach out.
We'll do it.
My door is always open.
This is my own studio, my own.
Everything I have here is myown.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
So that's great.
That's great.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Wynne Williams.
There you go and the new album.
Go out and get it.
I got to make sure I get thename right here it's Music
Country Therapy, or is it just?
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Country Therapy, just Country Therapy, yep.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Oh well, she's got the title Music Country Therapy.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Oh well, it's Country Therapy.
I got you, I gotcha dude.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Alright, thanks for coming on Skip Happens tonight.
You know what.
It's cool to chat with you,it's good to get to know you a
little bit and hopefully,whoever's watching this or you
can subscribe as well.
If you go to Skip Happens onYouTube, just click the
subscribe button and we just gofrom there and we'll continue to
(52:17):
do this.
But thanks for joining us heretonight on Skip Happens.
Stay right there.
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
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