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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Almost like a circle today. Since we started talking about
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Louis Suarez in the first hour, probably gonna talk about
him here in the second hour. So we go from Lima,
Peru to Seattle, Washington, find out what's going on in
the polue with our buddy Nico Moreno Nko. What up?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
What is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
John sdh family, I'm a little high up there. How's
everybody doing.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Oh, you're styling, you're styling, You're good. It's all good.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Rock is the start of the NFL season.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
So I broke cut the Raiders cab just for a
good luck, just for today, so.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Bear with me.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I am looking for a nice little Seattle Sounder hat
as well as my lights I'm waiting for. But it
is a nice, cool morning here in the PNW. I
am in my second cup of Joe and just ready
to talk about I'm sure a whole lot on League's Cup,
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and then we'll eventually get to some MLS action.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That is true. We got a handful of matches because
you can opt out of taking time off, and so
four matchups this weekend. We'll run through those in a bit.
But what I wanted to do with you, obviously is
lead off with League's Cup and the and I'll just
say it. I mean we were breaking it down earlier
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in the week and the defensive game plan against Messi
and friends, literally since this is the first day of
the NFL season. The analogy that I gave was, you
had man coverage by Seattle, or it was blanket coverage
when they would play zone. But the second that Messi
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goes into the pattern, you bump him, You get him
off his route, You bump him a little bit, you
get them, get him out of their rhythm, and the
rhythm gets disrupted. And so the quarterback when he wants
to deliver the pass and the flat to Messi, he
hadn't gotten to his point yet because he's bumped off
of the line of scrimmage. And they made a point
Seattle did defensively to get him bumped off his game
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to kind of disrupt the thought patterns there for Messi
and friends in that matchup.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, And to put it in simplest terms, it was
about taking one player of the game. The way Bill
Belichick does it, the way the you know, the big
defensive minds do it. Is if you're gonna beat me,
he's gonna be with your tight end or you know,
your your other receiver, but we're going to take out
your your best receiver.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And that's kind of what happened here, right. I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Think this was probably the best I've seen a team
limit lil no Messi. I think that Orlando is probably
the only other team that does a great job at
taking him off. But they just closed all his avenues,
and as you mentioned, it was constant pressure of whenever
he would pick up the ball or whenever he would
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even be in spaces where he could pick.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Up the ball.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
And it was a collective effort. You know, you wanted
to keep the line of confrontation extremely high. Brian told
you that right off the bat at the beginning of
the week.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
They did that.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
So it was Peppo Pedro leve Got doing a lot
of defending, a lot of pressure, and a lot of
making sure that he was able to bother Messi when
he would have the ball, he would help out. It
was Ovid Bargains a rocket his shoe the entire game, right,
He was a shadow making sure that every time he
got the ball he felt some sort of pressure. Christian
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roll Dan as well, both pivots knew exactly where Messi
was going to pick up the ball when he was
deeper in front of the eighteen. It was Margomez Andron,
it was Jackson Reagan, it was read at times. I mean,
it was just a collective effort to ensure that every
time that Messi would get the ball, he'd pick it
up in non dangerous positions. And even if he did
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pick it up, you want him to play negative. You
want him to feel the pressure. He was obligated to
even try a couple of mid ray shots that were
either block or just completely off by Messi. I think
that that missed that he has in front of goal
has to do with a lot of frustration, has to
do with just a lack of rhythm. They did not
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allow Messi to get in a rhythm. And I just
thought that it was an overall great defensive game and
it wasn't just about Messy as well. I thought that
Seattle's press was extremely effective. If they weren't picking a ball,
they were forcing turnovers of some poor passing from inner Miami.
I thought that when it was when he came down
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to emergency defense, when things would break down, because there
were moments when you know, Messi and friends were able to.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Put a through ball.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
They were able to get you on the counter, and
the emergency defense by the Saunders was great. You know,
it was a block shot by Yemark. It was a fantastic,
phenomenal tackle last minute into a shot of Rigordo Paul
inside the eighteen by Jackson Reagan. It was Ovid Bargains
poking the ball out of Messi inside the eighteen. I mean,
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it was just an overall effort by a defense that
knew that they had to hustle, that they had to
eliminate all of the connections that Messi and Alba and
Busquets would have, and they didn't allow that bluetooth technology
right that almost by a sense of connectivity right that
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they that.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
They usually have, they completely took it off.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So credit to the tactics by Brian Smetzer, and credit
to the execution by every single body in that pitch.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
On the day. Shots on target courtesy of our friends
at SOFA Score dealing with Lionel Messi. Answer to that
question is that no shots on target officially registered by
Lionel Messi. Two off target, three blocked one of six
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on the dribble, sixty touches, thirty thirty seven, passing at
eighty one percent, the one key one key pass, one
key pass, one for three on crosses, five of eight
on long balls, three for ten on his ground duels,
lost possession nineteen times, two times he was fouled as
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a part of it. And then obviously no defensive numbers.
But that's the breakdown. No shots on target, three shots blocked,
one for six on the dribble for Linel Messi in
that game, I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
It like that.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
No, no, that that's credit, that's absolute credit to the Sounders.
And you know I heard you know what was at
the pitch, was at the rough terrain, and like look,
at the end of the day, there was plenty of
time for in Miami to get used to accustomed to
the field. There were opportunities agenda misses one in front
of goal as well, and it all goes back to
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just the overall great collective effort. And I think that's
why emotions go high at the end.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Of the game.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's because there was so much frustration from everybody. And look,
credit to mentally to this team. I still have not
been able to confirm whether Messi told Pedro la Vega
that he would not be part of the national team
as long as he was involved. But there was definitely
a lot of chirping from Little unless he trying to scold,
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trying to limit Pedera Levega's efforts. Right, Rodigo de Paul
also goes down to Peppo and talks to him and
make sure. And there was chirping to the referee, and
credit the referee for being very consistent throughout the game.
So their inability to control and affect the game because
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of their aura, because of their legendary status, that was big.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
They felt disrespected.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I told you that they needed to disrespect this team,
not verbally but just saying, look, you might be the goat,
but today you're just one of twenty two players. You're
on the other and I'm gonna treat you like I
would anybody else. And credit to de la Vega, credit
to Ovid Bargas, credit to Christian roll done because they
were not worried about exchange in jerseys at the end
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of the game with number ten, right, there was one
number ten on that field that shined bright, and it
was Pedro de la Vega.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It was not messy.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
And for those that may not know what Nico was
talking about sound Er at Heart and your a tag
team partner jeremioh Shan headline. Leo Messi reportedly blackballed in
quotation marks Pedro Delavega from Argentina national team subheader. Former
MLS player Alan Gordon said, an inside source and yes,
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I did just use air quotes told him that Messi
engaged in some questionable banner with his countryman Jeremiah's article
and it goes with the Pedro dela Vega. What you
were discussing one of the least effective games since coming
to MLS, and that's why I went into the numbers. So,
according to Alan Gordon on the Major League Gernyman podcast,
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Messi told Dela Vega quote, You'll never play for the
national team as long as I'm involved. Gordon then added
he basically blackballed him on the field. Gordon sites an
inside source for the information, spent fifteen seasons in MLS,
played for six different teams. Galaxy and Earthquakes are a
part of it. Jeremiah continues. He says, whether that's just
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in game banter or a serious threat is obviously impossible
to say, but it certainly casts a different light around
a player whose image is generally considered a pretty impeccable
for Dela Vega, if he can continues to play the
way he has over the last couple of months, future
will take care of itself. So that's the article with
Jeremiah at sound Er at Heart. So I mean, like
I said, we don't have any corroboration one way or
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the other, and I doubt we will ever get corroboration
one way or the other when it comes to national
team rosters and things like that. Interesting side port to
that whole thing was that Pedro dela Vega, as you said, frustrate,
was a part of the team that frustrated Messi from
one end of the day to the other there up
there at Luomenfield.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah. Look, I've been a Pedro advocate all season.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
The man has arrived, and he had arrived right, He
had showed you exactly what he could give you. And
in this particular game, he was a tempa setter. He
was a guy that pinned back Ian Frey. That honestly,
had Ian Frey seen little stars or little twitty birds
all game long because he didn't know where Pedro was
gonna come from. It didn't matter if it was a
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direct ball through the back line. He didn't matter if
it was Pedro on the ball. He didn't matter if
it was Pedro defending. Whenever in Miami would play out
of the back. So Pedro was just so good. Every
single cross that he put into the eighteen had just
venom and it was gonna be a problem, right. And
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you see OSAs early in that game just almost get
to the ball, almost get to the ball and couldn't
quite get there. But it was that pressure on the
left side that essentially at one point to the game
in the first goal inner, maam, it's late to shift
and sus Ferrera, a guy that has been so important
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because of his versatility, across this great run the Seattle's under,
he finds Alex Wrogun on the right side. Paul roth
Rock makes a great run that kind of pulls Alba
out of position. It's a perfect ball from Alex into Losase.
Osasa makes a great run grade header and that's where
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everything starts off, right. So it's just credit to this
team for just understanding what needed to be done in
that game. But it starts with a guy like Peppo.
He starts with a guy that's just being so good
in so many ways, in so many aspects. And sure
after that it's all about containing Leonel Messi, containing the pall,
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not allowing Sir Hubusketz to find those spaces to put
through balls. A thought they did a great job at
once again pinning back those fullbacks or those wing backs.
We talked about it here in this exact same show.
There was gonna be space for Shatura to attacking the flanks,
and there was a lot of space for Shata to have.
There were opportunities that were missed. And then Brian Smetzer,
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with some very intelligent and bold moves again on the substitutions,
takes off Pedro, takes off Paul Rothrock, maintaining, you know,
different players Jergia Miningu could into the game with all
the energy in the world he creates that generates that
PK that essentially Alex Rodam puts away with all of
the composure in the world.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And then just to put the perfect bow.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
On top of a phenomenal game, Paul Rothrock, the Seattle Kid,
the kid that had always been told there wasn't talented
enough to be on that roster, that I myself had
been telling people that he'd been so good for the system,
and I didn't get where the disrespect was coming from
that kid that at least one hundred people in attendance
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decided to trade in the Lionel Message jersey for a
Paul Rothrock jersey. When he put that goal away, that
three zero goal, that comes a lot of effort, right,
The ball's not really going to him, you know, it's
he just picks it up because he makes that hustle
play and then he has the ability to get into
the eighteen crossed the ball on the other side and
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make the three zero. The stateum erupted that record, League
League Cup record, crowd just exploded in Lumenfield, and it
was because.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It was that hometown kid.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
It was that guy that embodies everything that talks about
this particular group, the collectiveness, the heart, the effort.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That goal was just the perfect cherry on top.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
So you're talking about this moment, huh right to walk.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Well done, pollit prime time, Levers, the Sounders are gonna
wait lands come.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Oh man. It gives you goose bumps.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Absolutely one hundred percent, one hundred percent. And poly prime
Time is right, baby, Pobly, Primetime is spot on.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, that was courtesy of our friends at Apple TV
and MLS. You get a moment like that and then
Schmitzer gives him the curtain call and then matches over
and I know we have to talk about this, and
there is some new information involving League's Cup and protests
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that will get in after this. But all hell breaks
loose after the final whistle.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Look, I was calling the game for thirteen and sixty
am there in Spanish, which was a great game to call.
And obviously I'm standing in the booth with you know,
the windows wide open so you can, you know, hear
the crowd, and the game is over, and you know,
we're talking about history and culture beating a generic made
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up you know, like corporate build roster to win games
and how you know young talent and hard can overthrown legacies.
And all of a sudden, I see some scuffles, so
I take my phone out and phone got a great zoom,
so you know, I put it out there and I
see Cereal Busquets get close to Ovid Bargas hit him
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with the what a little jab to the chin. I
don't care how soft that was. People on my comments,
and that's a that's a punch. That's not a punch.
She wasn't strong enough, Like it's a close fist to
my face, that's a punch. And you know, but with
Margains goes down, does he oversell it?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
It's better than engaging in any sort of fights and
then everything breaks loose. I continue to stand on the
notion that the Sounder players were doing everything in their
power to contain or rip off Inner Miami players from
their teammates, rather than engaging back with punches, which Cello did,
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which Busquets did, and we'll talk about Suarez here in
a second, but when that may have was happening, it
was the Inner Miami players that were swinging for defenses.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I said it yesterday on on the sidelines of podcasts
that and Show Sports Show that's here in locally in
the Pacific Northwest, and I said, look, this could have
turned into the Malice in the Palace if the Sounder
players would have started throwing kicks and punches, because people
will start coming off the stands, and he could have
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been so much worse. But it was that composure that
I think held it all together. And it wasn't more
gasoline added into that brawl.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, I think though, by the end of the day,
I think that whenever League's Cut Disco comes forward, you're
probably going to see envelopes for John Bell Jackson, Reagan Suarez, Busquets,
Celle Awagan, Thomas Aveles, and Maxie Falcone who had somebody
in a rear chhin lock. So that's my guess. You're
probably going to see eight envelopes, most of them heading
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to Miami. And we did get into early this morning
what Major League Soccer could do through the eyes of
the MLSPA and if it's more than two, if MLS
jumps in, we don't, like I said, we don't know
what Leagu's Cup Disco is going to do. If Leagues
Cup Disco says, you know, five, six, whatever, then MLSPA
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and Major League Soccer can come in from behind and
tack on. They've done things like this before, like with
Open Cup and things. So if it's more than two,
it has to go to an appeal because of the
Collective Bargaining Agreement and so we got into the dynamics
of that. But the next stage in this goes to
Major League Soccer and what they are going to do,
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and some of the folks in our twitch pitch are like,
they're not going to do anything because it is messy
and friends, what is your gut? Tell you?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Look, I see your MLS and League's Cup comedy or
people who are responsible. But I'll race you Inner Miami. Yeah,
I mean it starts with them. He should be on them.
For Inner Miami is these to wash their hands and say, oh, look, Messi,
is the league coming after you? Is the league trying
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to suspend your buddy and friend and good old howell
Louis Suarez for what he did. Nobody wants to disturb you,
don't know, Messi. So Inner Miami is gonna just kind
of wash their hands of the whole thing and just
allow them.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
But as the direct club that has that player representing
that badge, should they not be the ones that internally
discipline everyone that had some additional, non unnecessary or vile
repugnant actions, Because because I think that's where it should start.
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It should be Inner Miami. They should have already had
a statement out, They should have already addressed a situation.
They should have already talked to Louis Sars and said, look, internally,
you're not we're suspending you for X amount of games.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It's crazy how we go hard.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
On a guy like knew Who for throwing a ball
on the stands, but we don't go hard on something
that is as vile as what we saw after that game.
So to me, there will be suspensions. There will be
at least six games. That is where I said the
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bar for Luis Suarez because of what he did, because
he went after an elderly staff member that's trying to
get away from him, that he steps with his cleat
on his shoe to not allow him to get away
from him. You see the staff members trying to look away,
trying to get away, and then you spit in his face.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
That is beyond deplorable.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And Luisaurus is a tiny, tiny man and maybe a
great soccer player, but an incomplete human being, and he
should be made an example of. I hope that it's
in Miami, and I hope it is MOLS and and
I think it will be MLS that ultimately upholds those
suspensions to all the players that you talked about, Falcone
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and Abolans who had no reason to be there throwing
punches and Cello trying to sucker punch people from the back,
and you know you're having Freddie Warez trying to grab
you and Steffen Frey trying to stop you so you
don't go hit somebody. So those aggressors, to me are
the ones that should have the highest penalties. If because
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they're trying to protect themselves and get away from their players, Jackson,
Reagan and j Bell get disciplinary actions, then that's fine
as well, as long as those others are more stringent
and they show the severity of what they did.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
News from our buddy Mike Gramajo down in Orlando yesterday
that Orlando City the Purple Team filed on Friday a
formal complaint to League Cup organizers regarding the officiating of
the semi final match against Messi and Friends. Purple Team
loses three to one. Controversial refereeing and this is Mike's
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copy from West TV. Refereing that went both ways eventually
saw Orlando reduced to ten when David Breccolo was sent
off on a PK call. Orlando City defender and captain
Robin Johnson also shown a straight red following the final
whistle when Johnson allegedly verbally insulted match officials. According to
League's Cup Disco Johnson's red cart appealed by the team,
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not successful and obviously waiting for comment from League's Cup.
When asked if the team had received a sponsor from
tournament organizers, club Spokesperstman told WESH TV the complaint was acknowledged,
So there you go. So not the end for the
Disco on the Disco committee for League's Cup. They now
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have Orlando City filing a formal complaint to organizers regarding
the officials in that matchup in the semi final too,
so we got to keep an eye on that as well.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I think that's important. I think that more of these
are gonna come.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I think that Inner Miami has now done a great
job at just becoming this villain and what at one
point was acceptable, which should have never been acceptable. But
you kind of knew that the league was going to
protect the goose that laid the golden eggs in Lionel Messi.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
But now it's become so.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
In your face, right, it has become so obvious that yeah,
I absolutely agree. I mean, look that that game between
Orlando and Inner Miami is this cited by ultimately not
giving Angulo that penalty kick in the eighteen that's.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
A clear peak. It's a clear peak to me.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I mean that there's literally no question and then everything
knows that happens after including the red card off of
the PK that is awarded for Orlando City right so
against Rodinda City. So all those things to me are obvious.
And look, I've talked to some gms and other front
office members from different clubs and they've all said, look,
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if it was my guide that did that, there'd be
some internal disciplinary actions. And I really hope that that
puts some sort of pressure on in Miami to do
so as well, regardless of who it is.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Four matches this weekend in Major League Soccer, and it's
because you can opt out. You say, now we're playing,
and so you have four matchups Fire and revs. Dynamo
and Lag All Caps in FC Dallas. All the home
teams are favorites. There Fire minus one thirty nine Dynamos
and minus one twenty seven All Caps reminus one oh two.
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It's changing in front of me literally as we're talking.
And then Sunday Night Soccer Sporting hosting Austin Sporting favorite
A plus one three. Are you taking the weekend off
or are you going to be watching those.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I mean, I was hoping to watch some games, but
these are some sleepers, you know what I mean? These
are these are some you know, good thing. It's at
five thirty Pacific, I mean any earlier, and it might
be that time for me for sure. But I mean,
I guess the LA Galaxy Houston game would be interesting
just because the LA Galaxy have kind of resurrected a
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little bit of their soccer. You saw pain to have
a great goal in the last last weekend. You saw
Peck get more involved. You know, Marcus Reus I feel
like he's also coming along, So that one might be interesting. Houston, man,
is a team that I was just on ESPN Houston
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with Glenn and and it's crazy how much they are
in dire need for Sunday to change in Houston, right.
They they have this crowds that are not going. They
have this team does in dis array, So that one
will be fine watch. I think the LA Galaxy are
heavy favorites here on my end. What's the goal composure
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on that one? The goal compost?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
All right? So Houston and lag it is let's see
as we said here and look at over unders two
and a half a minus one sixty three three and
a half a plus one forty nine, so it flips
at three or it's a plus one oh two.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, yeah, I don't mind that three and a half
at all. I think this might be a game with
some goals. I mean, it was three to two between
them and Saint Louis. I would think that he was
gonna it's gonna be a little bit along those lines.
So I do like that three and a half. I
do like the La galaxy that Chicago. New England's interesting.
New England has, you know, started to move in the
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right direction. Obviously, this is a FIFA break, you know,
so there's gonna be some some missing players from some
of these teams. But yeah, I think Chicago was another
good one there in the Sporting Kansas City Austin. I
like Austin on that game for sure. I really like
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what I saw from them last weekend. I know San Jose,
I know San Jose, I get it. I mean they
are very vulnerable, to say the least when it comes
to defensive abilities. But I do like what they're starting
to do on their own right. I think Bukari is
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getting some traction. He's becoming that guy that they purchase, right,
the guy that is going to stretch out defense is
the guy that's going to be a magnet on that
and and Huzuni as well. I feel like he's really
coming over for this team. So yeah, I like Austin
on that one. Sporting Kansas City continues to have issues
of their own regardless of coming from a win, but
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I like Austin in that one.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
All Right, what's going on? Soundered Hart and Pulso Sports?
What a folks need to know?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Absolutely, we have a ton of content League's Cup still
on Pulsel Sports.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
We want to look at some of that recap of
that the brawl.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
You want to look at some of the fantastic interviews
we had afterwards. Do you want to hear Asasset call
in Miami some sore losers? Do you want to call?
Do you want to listen to what happened in that
moment where Christian roll Dan looks like he's going to
take that p K and he's holding the ball, holding
the ball, and then Alex Roordang goes and takes it.
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I thought it was awesome that Alex said, look, that
was that was part of the game plan. Why do
we do it because everybody was going to come at Christian.
He was going to take the heat. Everybody's starting to
get in his mind, and then all of a sudden
I get behind him and take the pe k. I
thought it was brilliant from the brothers there, so you
could hear that. Of course you could hear from Machano,
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you could hear from Bryan Smetzer. The guys have five
days off, so they won't be back at Providence Swedish
Clubhouse and uh, you know, toy Store for quite some time.
But at the same time, we will have some more
content from us. You're obviously gonna get the show at
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some point there. On Friday, we'll have Jeremiah and I
when we learned this week, and then of course on
Monday kick off with Ari Lillonwall.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Has always been friend. Great to see you on Thursdays.
Have a great weekend, have a safe weekend. We'll catch
up with you next week. Always great to catch up
with you as we always do for Thursdays.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Thank you, sir. Enjoying the NFL weekend.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Hope your fantasy teams and other things that you do
with football come across along the lines of this audience.
As well, thanks everybody for all the level of the support,
love being on the show, and we'll see you next week.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
You got it. There he goes, I'm gonna fix my
fantasy team because they