October 28, 2025 • 25 mins
Kacey White drops by SDH AM on a Tuesday
She looks at the MLS playoffs and the art and strategy of the PK and the long throw...
We also look at the SEC and the ACC and where things stand heading into the last days of the regular season...
She looks at the MLS playoffs and the art and strategy of the PK and the long throw...
We also look at the SEC and the ACC and where things stand heading into the last days of the regular season...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We bring in CACD and find out what's going on
in k c d's universe. CACD where you be, Oh
home with my coffee, Say there you go, a dog?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's a It's another Tuesday and it's time to catch
up with you. You have your your tar heel blue mug,
ready to go with your with your with your warmed beverage.
I imagine. I know that there are a couple of
things I want to get into. I want to get
into college conference play and just kind of the lay
of the land as we get ready for conference playoffs
and getting ready for the postseason tournament and things like that.
(00:33):
I know that we've got to get into Major League soccer.
We do have highlights from last night that we can
get into with the two matches that were played. But
what I want to do first is ask you about
Major League soccer. With the playoff matchups that we have
seen and the results that we've gotten, has anything surprised
you in the postseason so far when it comes to
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Major League soccer, all of the home teams have won, it,
says it has been fairly chalky when it comes to
not the taste of it, but the actual let lowdown
of everything last night. We'll get into that coming up
in a sec. But in the playoffs, you get past
the wildcard round and you have Messi and Friends winning
at home against Nashville, and on the weekend you have
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Philadelphia having to go to Pek's surviving Chicago after they
get down to nil come back with an equalizer. Vancouver
takes care of business with Dallas. San Diego at the
Murph Dragon takes care of business with Portland. Have there
been any surprises to you at all, either on the
field off because of how something looked on the weekend?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You know what I've enjoyed If I am in total
fan mode right now of just watching games and I've
tried to turn off my brain. It's a little bit
hard sometimes when I'm watching games. I've tried very, very hard.
And what I will say is how I know I'm
kind of in fan mode a little bit is that
I've been like hoping for penalty kicks. I'm like, yes,
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let's get super dramatic, let's do it. And so Chicago
got the late two goals against Philadelphia. That was probably
the biggest a prize for me, just contextually, not because
I don't think Chicago has what it takes. I really
actually like Chicago and their attack. They're going to give
up goals, but they're going to score. We know that.
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But I think just it happening so late in the
game was what was something I did not necessarily expect,
and even the commentators were saying, well, we thought this
was going to be a different game ten minutes ago,
and that was exciting. Last night Seattle taking Minnesota to
penalty kicks, and those were weird penalties. To be quite honest,
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the way it happened, I like a little bit of
a swagger I saw from Saint Clair. Some people don't
like that. I don't mind it, and I thought that
was fun to watch. But hitting a crossbar, hitting two
posts like it was bizarre, but hey, it makes for
great viewing and I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Okay, So before we get into those highlights, let me
let me ask you this. When you were a participating athlete,
were you tapped on the shoulder to do pe k's
as a part of that rotation at all?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I was. I was actually always the fifth penalty kick taker.
So I love penalties, and so that's probably a big
part of even why As a fan, I love going
to penalty kicks. I love seeing what people do, what
it does two players, what it does to goalkeepers. I
like the psychology of it.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So as the number five, obviously that's a great deal
of responsibility, and you seem to have shouldered it fairly well.
In these moments where it's like do you want to
be one? Do you want to be five? Is there
a difference in the idea of yeah, I want to
go first or yeah I want to go fifth. I mean,
it seems like the mentality should be Okay, I'm ready
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to go, I want to be the first one in
the barn, or like, yeah, I'll cement this for you
in the bottom of the fifth. Am I wrong with
those two ideas?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
First and five are the most critical. I completely believe that.
But you do touch on a cycle logical difference of
there's always going to be pressure on every kick. Let's
not say that there's not, but the first kick you
really get to go in and just be that consistent.
I can make a penalty when you're a fifth kicker,
and sometimes it falls on the fourths at times if
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it doesn't get to the fifth kicker, but normally the
fifth kicker not only has the consistency and technique, but
they relish the moment of I can handle the extra
pressure of knowing I could be the hero or I
could lose the entire thing for us.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
When you are. And this is literally diving into the weeds.
Here the art of the PK. Now, since you've opened
this door, I want to this conversation. I want to
get into this a bit because obviously you have been
analyzing the first four frames. You've been looking at goalkeeper tendencies.
You probably also studied keeper tendencies going in just in
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case you got to pks. Then you're stepping up to this.
How do you ma ask your intention? Knowing what the
keeper already anticipates is going to be happening, how do
you mask what you're going to do and how you
want to put the ball behind the keeper in a
situation like this?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Good question. I have to answer this by saying, I
played quite a while ago. We won't say a long
time ago, but I do.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
But you did TST so you're still active though, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Three years ago. You're right. I'm on the coaching side
for sure now. But what I will say is that
when I was a player, I was very much of
the philosophy. You pick your spot and you hit it
and you're twelve yards out, you should be able to
do that. Yes, there was scouting. Yes, goalkeepers knew where
you're going. I remember late in my college career because
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I took them in college and I took them professionally.
Late in my college career, my coaching staff came to
me and said, you take all our penalty kicks even
in game. Everyone knows where you go. Now you need
to go one, you need to go the other way
at least one time, so they guess, Well, that shows
you how much it's evolved, because now you're seeing players
go up slow and the goalkeeper moves. We saw it
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last night against Saint Clair. Goalkeeper moves, we just go
the opposite way. So there's definitely even more of the
games a little bit and being able to change in
the moment. I don't know if I would to operate
it as well in that because I love the piece
of this is what I do. If I hit it right,
you're not going to stop it. And so I just
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stayed with that philosophy and it bred confidence in me
as I went through it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
How difficult is it too? And this is something as
a non athlete watching athletes do it. How difficult is
it to contort your body to where it looks like
you're doing one thing, but in effect you end up
doing something else because it could be plant foot does this,
and then you have to figure out, Okay, under normal circumstances,
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plant foot is going straight, so it's going straight, or
it's going straight to where the target is. How difficult
is it to sit there and do one thing and
then have to contort your body to do something else.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Entire Like anything, you have to practice. And I'm still
a believer in that that even if you do contort
and say you're going to go this way and go
the other way. I mean, these are athletes of the
highest level, so they're able to do that physically, but
it still needs to be practiced. And I put my
coaching hat on. I used to scout for our penalty
kicks for like the U seventeen World Cup when I
was with you as soccer and ours. The oppositions all
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of those things at the end of the day and training,
if you are going to employ some type of penalty
kick where there's deception or where they're stopping starting moving
this way to go the opposite way. It needs to
be practiced because like anything, there's muscle memory associated with it.
Then it's just about calming the nerves in the moment
and being able to pull that off.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Did you ever pananka or do something fancy? No?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Never, never. I would never have tried the pananka. It
blows my mind. That is another level of confidence and understanding.
But what I will say is that goalkeepers now are
at a different level of how they handle penalty kicks
as well, and some are leaving very early. So to
keep people honest, almost like I just mine was simple.
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I just had to go to the opposite side of
what I normally did to keep a goalkeeper honest. Now
people have to do things like the pananka. That's not
in my personality. I'll be quite honest with you, So
never try it.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Okay. So here's the last part of Minnesota and Seattle
in the peaks. So this this will be the end
of the matches are highlight Rogerspire friends at Apple TV
and MLIS Soccer. Here was how it was broken down
last night. I believe it was Jake and t T
on the call here on Apple TV and Apple TV Plus.
But there was so much power and pace unless, of
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course it's Kindra and Tyler. Let's try it again. Saint
Claire already gonna save tonight. A deep breath from.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
The US International Christen oldg off the bar.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And you just mentioned his miss against Puebla and he
just lets sit.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
He just gets it wrong. He's trying to go over
that top quarner right right off the crossbar man.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Now Julian Gressell to win it for Minnesota off the post.
The Minnesota United players at midfield were already beginning their celebration.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
The crowder was about.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Jerry River as well, and then you just hear it
ring right off the pipe. To keep the trend moving
with the sounders, lady off the post at Minnesota United.
We'll claim game one.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That was three in one cycle. That's crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It is, it is. I definitely did not expect it.
Gressell came in with no touches on the ball either
to take penalties. So did Laba, and that brings up
a whole other discussion point. But they both ended up
missing their penalties. Here's what I will say. I believe
that all the misses besides Alex rolled on that was saved.
(10:15):
The three misses, in my opinion, were really good penalty kicks.
It's a matter of an inch and going. I mean,
the one thing I'll say about Leva, he came across
it a little bit strange, but Christian rolled on and Gretsel,
I thought, hit really nice penalties. And on the right
day it hits the inside the post and bounces in.
It goes an inch a little bit slower, but they
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hit it with confidence, they hit it with somewhat precision,
and so I thought it was a little bit unlucky,
to be quite honest, for both of them.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
And you mentioned the idea of coming in cold. How
hard is it to come in cold like we saw
with Lava and Gressel and being asked to perform in
a PK situation where you weren't really in the run
of play and you're just kind of getting acclimated yourself.
How different is it to reorient and just hop into
the fire like that and be in PK's.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I think it's difficult, But these managers know their players
and they have a job, and all of those things
would have been discussed well prior to this game of
If we go to penalty kicks. You're a top five
penalty kicktaker, how do you feel about coming in those
types of things? And so those players wouldn't be surprised
by their entry into the game. I do think it
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just means they have to be psychologically very strong, very confident.
But the managers would know whether they're capable or not.
And I think they both are more than capable and
hit pretty decent penalty kicks, but it can backfire at times.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Have you ever gone like jet black or purple or
gray hair, just you know, like orange or anything like
that to be completely different? No, I have not considering that.
Considering that Gressel was the only one of all of
the Minnesota United players that was not either a brunette
or a a raven haired individual, he comes out looking
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like he dunked his head in a vat of Parmesan
cheese and comes in. I just I wanted to I
just didn't know where you were personality wise, I would
imagine that Anson would not have been a fan of
something like that. True, I'll be.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Honest, I'm very a type personality. I Am not that
person who's doing anything super wacky or wild. Anson actually
would have said, I don't care what you do as
long as you perform. So he actually was the opposite
of what a lot of people think with like a
ton of roles things like that. He actually just said,
if you can perform, I don't care if you look crazy,
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I don't care what you do, but if you can't perform,
we got to have a discussion.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And so Minnesota, I have to ask this philosophically about
Minnesota since we're here. I know that coaches are different.
I know that philosophies are different. I know that a
lot of folks want to sit there and they want to,
you know, slam it into fifth gear coming out of
the you know, light turns green, you want to slam
it in the second, skip third, go right to fourth,
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and go right down the quarter mile. Eric Ramsey to
me in Minnesota, I'm sure he drives people crazy because
in addition to being the king of the quarter zip
and the white T shirt, they play like the ball
has cooties. They want nothing to do with it. And
there was at one point where they were north of
forty percent possession, and I'm sure the earth rotated off
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its axis and it was careening into Mars or something
like that. When you have someone who is philosophically like that,
where they don't want the ball and they want the
effort to be exerted by the other side knowing that
we'll just embrace the pressure and we'll sit here, and
we'll sit here, and we'll sit here and then wait
for you to blink. How frustrating is that going up
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against the team like a Minnesota where you've got to
be the one sitting there with the jackhammer for a
full ninety minutes and then they wait for you to
make a mistake.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, most teams do love to have the ball. I
think that part of it's not frustrating. It's how do
you break down a mid block or a low block
or a team that's very comfortable out of possession. That's
where it can get frustrating because your ball rotation is important,
your build up patterns, how you manipulate defenders to step out,
and then you have to be aware of their counter
attacking transitions. So it's not necessarily new. It can be
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frustrating at times, but your attack just has to be
that much better. I think one of the things that's
overlooked with a coach like an Eric Ramsey or other
coaches that tend to do that. Is is that his
own personal philosophy for every club he would manage, or
is it based on the player profiles that he has
and he knows that that's their best way to have success.
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It's probably a little bit of both, And I don't
mind that because you do have to go a little
bit by player profile, especially early on if you go
years down the line, Yes you can bring players in
that might fit a different style of play, But I
think it's that mix of both for him.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
What do you think about in this is also caught
a lot of folks' attention recently. What do you think
about the long throw in and all of the furor
that's been attached to that. Michael box always saw it
last night where Michael Boxhall wants to take two hands
and run, you know, and throw the thirty five yard
bomb and something like that inside the eighteen. What do
you think about this recent furo or about the long
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throw in?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I love the long throw in. Why wouldn't you use it?
If you have that as a potential weapon, use it
and it's just an extra set piece opportunity. And I
am very much a possession oriented type coach. And I
love having the ball. Anytime that I've had teams, I've
always gone more towards the let's outscore the opponent rather
than keep them off the board. That's been my philosophy.
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But if you have really good opportunities to use a
throw in, use a long service off a free kick,
and to get players in the box, and that's what
you're good at, why wouldn't a coach use it? So
I have no problem with that whatsoever. And I think
it's smart on their end.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, And I mean for me, it's like, if you
want to sit there and have all of these different weapons,
would why would you not take advantage of something People
like ban the long throw? And I'm like why why?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I mean, if you have it, why wouldn't you do it.
It's it's a lot of the game. They're able to
chuck it in the box and it's dangerous. I don't
necessarily get the fury behind it, to be honest, It's
been around forever. Eric Ramsey's not the first team person
or team to implement this.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Uh yeah, And so I'm just like, okay, fine, yeah,
you can have your thoughts, and I know that we
would respectfully disagree in a situation like that. Yeah, it's like, look,
I'm I'm team long throwing. I see it in the
high school game a lot, and I see dudes that
you know when you have the track that's around the
state the turf surface, and you see the kid going
all the way back out to lane eight running twenty
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yards and then he does the long throw in and
it turns into a weapon. I'm like, fine, that's how
you're wired. Go ahead and take advantage of something like
that if.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I want to defend against which tells me that if
you have it, you should use it. Is but I
don't love it, and I don't love defending against it,
but it's part of it.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, let's get into college actually real quick, before we
get into college. The other match last night it was
Cincinnati and once again Cincinnati and Columbus hell is real.
They went at each other and pounded each other into
the ground for about eighty minutes. Then you have that
one moment where at Chinik comes in with the cross.
I think it was Alvis Powell who kind of dumped
it back, and then Denk with the slam dunk. So
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the two seed once again. All the home teams winning
so far, in the MLS Cup playoffs.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
It was a good game too. It was back and
forth opportunities on both sides. I love seeing that that
matchup was going to happen because we knew it was
going to be fun. I think it's far from over,
to be quite honest with you, because it was pretty
pretty close on both ends.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
All right, So SEC right now, it's going to be
kind of busy this weekend. South Carolina and Alabama. That
one is number seven versus number ten, and then it's
then I've got Alabama and South kent What is it?
It's like, what you reversed this? For me? It's like
SEC network has both listed South Carolina Alabama and then
Alabama unranked against number seventeen South Carolina. It's like, what
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are you people doing. It's two matches at the same time,
involving two teams and two separate locations, ranked three different numbers.
At twelve thirty on Sunday afternoon, anyway, pass that one
Kentucky and Florida number six and number eleven at three o'clock,
and then it's Oklahoma, Mississippi State, and Mississippi State ranked
it to either eight or twenty five or nine or whatever,
and it's just all of this is chaos. You have
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all these oh these are seeds. It took me a second.
I'm like, what is what the heck's going on here? Okay,
So they've listed it twice by seeding in the tournament
and then the ranking of the team. Okay, this is
what happens when I don't read the SEC website correctly. Okay,
it is the seventh seed South Carolina against the ten
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seed Alabama at twelve thirty. However, South Carolina is ranked
at number seventeen used parentheses, God bless. After that, it's
Kentucky and Florida in the six to eleven matchup, Oklahoma
and mississip State in the eight nine, Mississippi State ranked
at number twenty five, LSU and Auburn as your five twelve.
Neither of them are ranked. Vandy, Georgia, Arkansas, Tennessee. They
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all wait in the wings. What about the SEC looking
at that one? With Vandy coming in hot, I think
they've won six in a row.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I think the first round matchup is the Alabama South
Carolina matchup. South Carolina is very good this year, but
Alabama is as well. The SEC is incredibly deep, so
of those play in games. I think that's the one
that you can't predict as well. The other ones I
think probably are going to go the way of the
higher seed, just based on the consistency of performance. One
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of the big notes, and I'll just say it quickly,
is I don't remember a time that Texas and Texas
A and M both did not even qualify for their
conference tournament when there's twelve involved. So that's crazy to me.
But back to the teams that are doing well, I
do think that first matchup between those two teams will
be a fun one to watch.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, and Alabama, I believe comes in losing three in
a row as they come into the tournament where they
are one of the seeds, and however they are not ranked,
but you wouldn't know that because everything runs together and
they listed twice on the SEC website. Okay, acc looking
at things on the women's side and you look at
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the standings, and we've been talking about the teams at
the top. There's blowing doors off of everybody. Notre Dame.
They're human, They actually drew, they did something other than
a win, and now they and Stanford are tied at
eight oh one one at the top, both at twenty
five points, far away better than everybody else. Stanford has
now won eight in a row. Duke behind them has
won five in a row at eighteen points, and then
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everybody else has been kind of beating each other up
Clems and trying to come out of lane eight. They've
won four in a row. So you look at what's
going on on the women's side. I'm intrigued. But Notre
Dame has proven that they are in fact human apparently well.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Between fourth and eleventh it's three points difference. That's the
craziness of the ACC. You're right about Notre Dame. They're
still phenomenal. I think that they will be more than fine. Oh,
it's really any team up through eleventh, and I believe
that State and Clemson have technically a chance to get
into the ACC tournament. But what I want to point
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out is really this last game in the ACC, you're
playing for your NCAA tournament hopes in a lot of
way ways because the way the ACC tournament structured, with
it being so minimal, with only six teams going in,
it's really about finishing in the top eight to ten teams.
Because that's really the history of how many ACC teams
get into the tournament. So most of those teams on
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the outside looking in. Okay, they could potentially sneak in
on a tiebreaker or something strange goes their way, but
it's more about making sure that their record looks good
going before the committee.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, and there's a six point gap between NC State,
who is in eleventh if my math is correct, sliding
down three, I think, sir three, six, nine eleven. Yeah,
NC State's in eleventh to fourteen points. Then it's a
six point gap to SMU who's at eight BC, Miami, Syracuse,
pitt In, Virginia Tech. They're right there at the bottom.
But what the wild thing is? You mentioned it Duke
at eighteen points, Virginia Louisville FSU at seventeen. Then it's
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a call at sixteen, Wake at fifteen, North Carolina at fifteen, Clemson,
NC State at fourteen. How tight is the ACC on
the women's side for someone who hasn't seen it this year?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Incredibly tight. I would have to go back and look
many years, but I don't know if I've ever seen
this many teams in potential contention. When you're talking about
a third place team in Duke that if everything went
wrong for them, could not qualify, Like, that's just crazy
to me. And so not only is it tight, but
there's different types of teams that are in contention that
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haven't necessarily been And you have a team like Florida
State that I believe is very good and I just
had their game with UVA. Both teams incredibly gifted. But
Florida State is sitting in sixth place. So if it
goes wrong for them on Thursday, they cannot be in
the AEC tournament. When did we last say that? And
it's not because they aren't at the level to be there,
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it's because the ACC is so incredibly.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Deep, yep. And on the men's side, Stanford at sixteen
points you mentioned tight, Virginia's at fifteen, NC States at fourteen,
Clemson at thirteen, SMU and Syracuse at twelve, Duke and
Notre Dame at eleven. North Carolina is at ten, and
then you get into Virginia Tech, Wake, Pitt, Louisville, cal
and BC. So yeah, I mean, literally, it's another blink
and you'll miss it. Opportunity on the men's side too,
with a lot of folks beating each other.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Up it just seems to be the theme. It seems
to be the theme of this year. And with the
men's side, which I obviously have, that'sted interest in this
that it's Duke Carolina on Friday for the last game
of the year, which is always fun. I don't know
why that doesn't happen every single year on the men's
and the women's side, but they're very close in the
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standings one point difference, and so it affects seeding. And
then there's other great matchups as well.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, you look at the men's side on their schedule,
and if I'm looking at it correctly, Stanford and cal
Pitt and Louisville, syracusean NC State and this is all
on Friday, so Halloween, by the way, you get your
you're wrapping up the regular season. Stanford and cal Pitt
and Louisville, Syracuse and NC State, Virginia in SMU, Notre
Dame and Wake and Winston Salem Saint Jose in BC
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in a non conference game, Virginia Tech and Clemson and
Duke in Carolina eight o'clock in Chapel Hill on ACC Network.
Where are you going to beat eight o'clock on Halloween Night?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I'm probably going to be at that game. To be
quite honest with you, I am in town, so I
have the game prior on the Thursday with North Carolina
State for HUE and CEE women at eight pm. So Friday,
I'm probably going to mosey on over to Dorance Field
watch a little ACC men's soccer action.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Gee, I'm not surprised about that at all. I'm shocked. Case.
So I love soccer.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
What can I say? I know self describe soccer nerd.
I get it.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Nothing wrong with that. So we'll be looking forward to
your call at the tail end of the week, and
then INWSL, I believe wraps up this week in regular
season as well, So when you come on on next Tuesday,
we'll look at the postseason if the NWSL and the
chaos that was attached to that, and we'll just keep
rolling with the Major League Soccer NWSL playoffs college action,
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and that's what we always bring you in for a
bet leadoff on Tuesdays to kind of let everybody else
know what else is going on that they might have missed.
It's always great to see a Case, and I know
that Owen either wants breakfast or a walk.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
He's been whimpering a little bit, so he's impatient today,
so I'll get him another walk.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Wow, okay, so yeah, Owen's gonna get a walk. And
so where is Owen?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
By the way, he's down below, just cutting down here.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I'm sure he's harrumphing. He's like, oh, excuse me, No, no,
it's too early. I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
He's so well trained.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, I don't want to do it. I'm not interested.
We're going outside right now, and where's my chicken?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Exactly? Well, he's not willing to show his face today.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, as he's being a shy diva. Be well case.
And as always, you know you can bang on the
door at any time. But it's great to see you
on Tuesdays. Thanks for dropping by, of course, have a
good one.
We bring in CACD and find out what's going on
in k c d's universe. CACD where you be, Oh
home with my coffee, Say there you go, a dog?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's a It's another Tuesday and it's time to catch
up with you. You have your your tar heel blue mug,
ready to go with your with your with your warmed beverage.
I imagine. I know that there are a couple of
things I want to get into. I want to get
into college conference play and just kind of the lay
of the land as we get ready for conference playoffs
and getting ready for the postseason tournament and things like that.
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I know that we've got to get into Major League soccer.
We do have highlights from last night that we can
get into with the two matches that were played. But
what I want to do first is ask you about
Major League soccer. With the playoff matchups that we have
seen and the results that we've gotten, has anything surprised
you in the postseason so far when it comes to
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Major League soccer, all of the home teams have won, it,
says it has been fairly chalky when it comes to
not the taste of it, but the actual let lowdown
of everything last night. We'll get into that coming up
in a sec. But in the playoffs, you get past
the wildcard round and you have Messi and Friends winning
at home against Nashville, and on the weekend you have
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Philadelphia having to go to Pek's surviving Chicago after they
get down to nil come back with an equalizer. Vancouver
takes care of business with Dallas. San Diego at the
Murph Dragon takes care of business with Portland. Have there
been any surprises to you at all, either on the
field off because of how something looked on the weekend?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You know what I've enjoyed If I am in total
fan mode right now of just watching games and I've
tried to turn off my brain. It's a little bit
hard sometimes when I'm watching games. I've tried very, very hard.
And what I will say is how I know I'm
kind of in fan mode a little bit is that
I've been like hoping for penalty kicks. I'm like, yes,
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let's get super dramatic, let's do it. And so Chicago
got the late two goals against Philadelphia. That was probably
the biggest a prize for me, just contextually, not because
I don't think Chicago has what it takes. I really
actually like Chicago and their attack. They're going to give
up goals, but they're going to score. We know that.
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But I think just it happening so late in the
game was what was something I did not necessarily expect,
and even the commentators were saying, well, we thought this
was going to be a different game ten minutes ago,
and that was exciting. Last night Seattle taking Minnesota to
penalty kicks, and those were weird penalties. To be quite honest,
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the way it happened, I like a little bit of
a swagger I saw from Saint Clair. Some people don't
like that. I don't mind it, and I thought that
was fun to watch. But hitting a crossbar, hitting two
posts like it was bizarre, but hey, it makes for
great viewing and I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Okay, So before we get into those highlights, let me
let me ask you this. When you were a participating athlete,
were you tapped on the shoulder to do pe k's
as a part of that rotation at all?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I was. I was actually always the fifth penalty kick taker.
So I love penalties, and so that's probably a big
part of even why As a fan, I love going
to penalty kicks. I love seeing what people do, what
it does two players, what it does to goalkeepers. I
like the psychology of it.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So as the number five, obviously that's a great deal
of responsibility, and you seem to have shouldered it fairly well.
In these moments where it's like do you want to
be one? Do you want to be five? Is there
a difference in the idea of yeah, I want to
go first or yeah I want to go fifth. I mean,
it seems like the mentality should be Okay, I'm ready
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to go, I want to be the first one in
the barn, or like, yeah, I'll cement this for you
in the bottom of the fifth. Am I wrong with
those two ideas?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
First and five are the most critical. I completely believe that.
But you do touch on a cycle logical difference of
there's always going to be pressure on every kick. Let's
not say that there's not, but the first kick you
really get to go in and just be that consistent.
I can make a penalty when you're a fifth kicker,
and sometimes it falls on the fourths at times if
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it doesn't get to the fifth kicker, but normally the
fifth kicker not only has the consistency and technique, but
they relish the moment of I can handle the extra
pressure of knowing I could be the hero or I
could lose the entire thing for us.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
When you are. And this is literally diving into the weeds.
Here the art of the PK. Now, since you've opened
this door, I want to this conversation. I want to
get into this a bit because obviously you have been
analyzing the first four frames. You've been looking at goalkeeper tendencies.
You probably also studied keeper tendencies going in just in
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case you got to pks. Then you're stepping up to this.
How do you ma ask your intention? Knowing what the
keeper already anticipates is going to be happening, how do
you mask what you're going to do and how you
want to put the ball behind the keeper in a
situation like this?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Good question. I have to answer this by saying, I
played quite a while ago. We won't say a long
time ago, but I do.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
But you did TST so you're still active though, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Three years ago. You're right. I'm on the coaching side
for sure now. But what I will say is that
when I was a player, I was very much of
the philosophy. You pick your spot and you hit it
and you're twelve yards out, you should be able to
do that. Yes, there was scouting. Yes, goalkeepers knew where
you're going. I remember late in my college career because
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I took them in college and I took them professionally.
Late in my college career, my coaching staff came to
me and said, you take all our penalty kicks even
in game. Everyone knows where you go. Now you need
to go one, you need to go the other way
at least one time, so they guess, Well, that shows
you how much it's evolved, because now you're seeing players
go up slow and the goalkeeper moves. We saw it
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last night against Saint Clair. Goalkeeper moves, we just go
the opposite way. So there's definitely even more of the
games a little bit and being able to change in
the moment. I don't know if I would to operate
it as well in that because I love the piece
of this is what I do. If I hit it right,
you're not going to stop it. And so I just
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stayed with that philosophy and it bred confidence in me
as I went through it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
How difficult is it too? And this is something as
a non athlete watching athletes do it. How difficult is
it to contort your body to where it looks like
you're doing one thing, but in effect you end up
doing something else because it could be plant foot does this,
and then you have to figure out, Okay, under normal circumstances,
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plant foot is going straight, so it's going straight, or
it's going straight to where the target is. How difficult
is it to sit there and do one thing and
then have to contort your body to do something else.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Entire Like anything, you have to practice. And I'm still
a believer in that that even if you do contort
and say you're going to go this way and go
the other way. I mean, these are athletes of the
highest level, so they're able to do that physically, but
it still needs to be practiced. And I put my
coaching hat on. I used to scout for our penalty
kicks for like the U seventeen World Cup when I
was with you as soccer and ours. The oppositions all
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of those things at the end of the day and training,
if you are going to employ some type of penalty
kick where there's deception or where they're stopping starting moving
this way to go the opposite way. It needs to
be practiced because like anything, there's muscle memory associated with it.
Then it's just about calming the nerves in the moment
and being able to pull that off.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Did you ever pananka or do something fancy? No?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Never, never. I would never have tried the pananka. It
blows my mind. That is another level of confidence and understanding.
But what I will say is that goalkeepers now are
at a different level of how they handle penalty kicks
as well, and some are leaving very early. So to
keep people honest, almost like I just mine was simple.
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I just had to go to the opposite side of
what I normally did to keep a goalkeeper honest. Now
people have to do things like the pananka. That's not
in my personality. I'll be quite honest with you, So
never try it.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Okay. So here's the last part of Minnesota and Seattle
in the peaks. So this this will be the end
of the matches are highlight Rogerspire friends at Apple TV
and MLIS Soccer. Here was how it was broken down
last night. I believe it was Jake and t T
on the call here on Apple TV and Apple TV Plus.
But there was so much power and pace unless, of
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course it's Kindra and Tyler. Let's try it again. Saint
Claire already gonna save tonight. A deep breath from.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
The US International Christen oldg off the bar.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And you just mentioned his miss against Puebla and he
just lets sit.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
He just gets it wrong. He's trying to go over
that top quarner right right off the crossbar man.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Now Julian Gressell to win it for Minnesota off the post.
The Minnesota United players at midfield were already beginning their celebration.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
The crowder was about.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Jerry River as well, and then you just hear it
ring right off the pipe. To keep the trend moving
with the sounders, lady off the post at Minnesota United.
We'll claim game one.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That was three in one cycle. That's crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It is, it is. I definitely did not expect it.
Gressell came in with no touches on the ball either
to take penalties. So did Laba, and that brings up
a whole other discussion point. But they both ended up
missing their penalties. Here's what I will say. I believe
that all the misses besides Alex rolled on that was saved.
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The three misses, in my opinion, were really good penalty kicks.
It's a matter of an inch and going. I mean,
the one thing I'll say about Leva, he came across
it a little bit strange, but Christian rolled on and Gretsel,
I thought, hit really nice penalties. And on the right
day it hits the inside the post and bounces in.
It goes an inch a little bit slower, but they
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hit it with confidence, they hit it with somewhat precision,
and so I thought it was a little bit unlucky,
to be quite honest, for both of them.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
And you mentioned the idea of coming in cold. How
hard is it to come in cold like we saw
with Lava and Gressel and being asked to perform in
a PK situation where you weren't really in the run
of play and you're just kind of getting acclimated yourself.
How different is it to reorient and just hop into
the fire like that and be in PK's.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I think it's difficult, But these managers know their players
and they have a job, and all of those things
would have been discussed well prior to this game of
If we go to penalty kicks. You're a top five
penalty kicktaker, how do you feel about coming in those
types of things? And so those players wouldn't be surprised
by their entry into the game. I do think it
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just means they have to be psychologically very strong, very confident.
But the managers would know whether they're capable or not.
And I think they both are more than capable and
hit pretty decent penalty kicks, but it can backfire at times.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Have you ever gone like jet black or purple or
gray hair, just you know, like orange or anything like
that to be completely different? No, I have not considering that.
Considering that Gressel was the only one of all of
the Minnesota United players that was not either a brunette
or a a raven haired individual, he comes out looking
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like he dunked his head in a vat of Parmesan
cheese and comes in. I just I wanted to I
just didn't know where you were personality wise, I would
imagine that Anson would not have been a fan of
something like that. True, I'll be.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Honest, I'm very a type personality. I Am not that
person who's doing anything super wacky or wild. Anson actually
would have said, I don't care what you do as
long as you perform. So he actually was the opposite
of what a lot of people think with like a
ton of roles things like that. He actually just said,
if you can perform, I don't care if you look crazy,
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I don't care what you do, but if you can't perform,
we got to have a discussion.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And so Minnesota, I have to ask this philosophically about
Minnesota since we're here. I know that coaches are different.
I know that philosophies are different. I know that a
lot of folks want to sit there and they want to,
you know, slam it into fifth gear coming out of
the you know, light turns green, you want to slam
it in the second, skip third, go right to fourth,
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and go right down the quarter mile. Eric Ramsey to
me in Minnesota, I'm sure he drives people crazy because
in addition to being the king of the quarter zip
and the white T shirt, they play like the ball
has cooties. They want nothing to do with it. And
there was at one point where they were north of
forty percent possession, and I'm sure the earth rotated off
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its axis and it was careening into Mars or something
like that. When you have someone who is philosophically like that,
where they don't want the ball and they want the
effort to be exerted by the other side knowing that
we'll just embrace the pressure and we'll sit here, and
we'll sit here, and we'll sit here and then wait
for you to blink. How frustrating is that going up
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against the team like a Minnesota where you've got to
be the one sitting there with the jackhammer for a
full ninety minutes and then they wait for you to
make a mistake.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, most teams do love to have the ball. I
think that part of it's not frustrating. It's how do
you break down a mid block or a low block
or a team that's very comfortable out of possession. That's
where it can get frustrating because your ball rotation is important,
your build up patterns, how you manipulate defenders to step out,
and then you have to be aware of their counter
attacking transitions. So it's not necessarily new. It can be
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frustrating at times, but your attack just has to be
that much better. I think one of the things that's
overlooked with a coach like an Eric Ramsey or other
coaches that tend to do that. Is is that his
own personal philosophy for every club he would manage, or
is it based on the player profiles that he has
and he knows that that's their best way to have success.
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It's probably a little bit of both, And I don't
mind that because you do have to go a little
bit by player profile, especially early on if you go
years down the line, Yes you can bring players in
that might fit a different style of play, But I
think it's that mix of both for him.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
What do you think about in this is also caught
a lot of folks' attention recently. What do you think
about the long throw in and all of the furor
that's been attached to that. Michael box always saw it
last night where Michael Boxhall wants to take two hands
and run, you know, and throw the thirty five yard
bomb and something like that inside the eighteen. What do
you think about this recent furo or about the long
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throw in?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I love the long throw in. Why wouldn't you use it?
If you have that as a potential weapon, use it
and it's just an extra set piece opportunity. And I
am very much a possession oriented type coach. And I
love having the ball. Anytime that I've had teams, I've
always gone more towards the let's outscore the opponent rather
than keep them off the board. That's been my philosophy.
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But if you have really good opportunities to use a
throw in, use a long service off a free kick,
and to get players in the box, and that's what
you're good at, why wouldn't a coach use it? So
I have no problem with that whatsoever. And I think
it's smart on their end.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, And I mean for me, it's like, if you
want to sit there and have all of these different weapons,
would why would you not take advantage of something People
like ban the long throw? And I'm like why why?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I mean, if you have it, why wouldn't you do it.
It's it's a lot of the game. They're able to
chuck it in the box and it's dangerous. I don't
necessarily get the fury behind it, to be honest, It's
been around forever. Eric Ramsey's not the first team person
or team to implement this.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Uh yeah, And so I'm just like, okay, fine, yeah,
you can have your thoughts, and I know that we
would respectfully disagree in a situation like that. Yeah, it's like, look,
I'm I'm team long throwing. I see it in the
high school game a lot, and I see dudes that
you know when you have the track that's around the
state the turf surface, and you see the kid going
all the way back out to lane eight running twenty
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yards and then he does the long throw in and
it turns into a weapon. I'm like, fine, that's how
you're wired. Go ahead and take advantage of something like
that if.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I want to defend against which tells me that if
you have it, you should use it. Is but I
don't love it, and I don't love defending against it,
but it's part of it.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, let's get into college actually real quick, before we
get into college. The other match last night it was
Cincinnati and once again Cincinnati and Columbus hell is real.
They went at each other and pounded each other into
the ground for about eighty minutes. Then you have that
one moment where at Chinik comes in with the cross.
I think it was Alvis Powell who kind of dumped
it back, and then Denk with the slam dunk. So
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the two seed once again. All the home teams winning
so far, in the MLS Cup playoffs.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
It was a good game too. It was back and
forth opportunities on both sides. I love seeing that that
matchup was going to happen because we knew it was
going to be fun. I think it's far from over,
to be quite honest with you, because it was pretty
pretty close on both ends.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
All right, So SEC right now, it's going to be
kind of busy this weekend. South Carolina and Alabama. That
one is number seven versus number ten, and then it's
then I've got Alabama and South kent What is it?
It's like, what you reversed this? For me? It's like
SEC network has both listed South Carolina Alabama and then
Alabama unranked against number seventeen South Carolina. It's like, what
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are you people doing. It's two matches at the same time,
involving two teams and two separate locations, ranked three different numbers.
At twelve thirty on Sunday afternoon, anyway, pass that one
Kentucky and Florida number six and number eleven at three o'clock,
and then it's Oklahoma, Mississippi State, and Mississippi State ranked
it to either eight or twenty five or nine or whatever,
and it's just all of this is chaos. You have
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all these oh these are seeds. It took me a second.
I'm like, what is what the heck's going on here? Okay,
So they've listed it twice by seeding in the tournament
and then the ranking of the team. Okay, this is
what happens when I don't read the SEC website correctly. Okay,
it is the seventh seed South Carolina against the ten
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seed Alabama at twelve thirty. However, South Carolina is ranked
at number seventeen used parentheses, God bless. After that, it's
Kentucky and Florida in the six to eleven matchup, Oklahoma
and mississip State in the eight nine, Mississippi State ranked
at number twenty five, LSU and Auburn as your five twelve.
Neither of them are ranked. Vandy, Georgia, Arkansas, Tennessee. They
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all wait in the wings. What about the SEC looking
at that one? With Vandy coming in hot, I think
they've won six in a row.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I think the first round matchup is the Alabama South
Carolina matchup. South Carolina is very good this year, but
Alabama is as well. The SEC is incredibly deep, so
of those play in games. I think that's the one
that you can't predict as well. The other ones I
think probably are going to go the way of the
higher seed, just based on the consistency of performance. One
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of the big notes, and I'll just say it quickly,
is I don't remember a time that Texas and Texas
A and M both did not even qualify for their
conference tournament when there's twelve involved. So that's crazy to me.
But back to the teams that are doing well, I
do think that first matchup between those two teams will
be a fun one to watch.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, and Alabama, I believe comes in losing three in
a row as they come into the tournament where they
are one of the seeds, and however they are not ranked,
but you wouldn't know that because everything runs together and
they listed twice on the SEC website. Okay, acc looking
at things on the women's side and you look at
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the standings, and we've been talking about the teams at
the top. There's blowing doors off of everybody. Notre Dame.
They're human, They actually drew, they did something other than
a win, and now they and Stanford are tied at
eight oh one one at the top, both at twenty
five points, far away better than everybody else. Stanford has
now won eight in a row. Duke behind them has
won five in a row at eighteen points, and then
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everybody else has been kind of beating each other up
Clems and trying to come out of lane eight. They've
won four in a row. So you look at what's
going on on the women's side. I'm intrigued. But Notre
Dame has proven that they are in fact human apparently well.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Between fourth and eleventh it's three points difference. That's the
craziness of the ACC. You're right about Notre Dame. They're
still phenomenal. I think that they will be more than fine. Oh,
it's really any team up through eleventh, and I believe
that State and Clemson have technically a chance to get
into the ACC tournament. But what I want to point
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out is really this last game in the ACC, you're
playing for your NCAA tournament hopes in a lot of
way ways because the way the ACC tournament structured, with
it being so minimal, with only six teams going in,
it's really about finishing in the top eight to ten teams.
Because that's really the history of how many ACC teams
get into the tournament. So most of those teams on
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the outside looking in. Okay, they could potentially sneak in
on a tiebreaker or something strange goes their way, but
it's more about making sure that their record looks good
going before the committee.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, and there's a six point gap between NC State,
who is in eleventh if my math is correct, sliding
down three, I think, sir three, six, nine eleven. Yeah,
NC State's in eleventh to fourteen points. Then it's a
six point gap to SMU who's at eight BC, Miami, Syracuse,
pitt In, Virginia Tech. They're right there at the bottom.
But what the wild thing is? You mentioned it Duke
at eighteen points, Virginia Louisville FSU at seventeen. Then it's
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a call at sixteen, Wake at fifteen, North Carolina at fifteen, Clemson,
NC State at fourteen. How tight is the ACC on
the women's side for someone who hasn't seen it this year?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Incredibly tight. I would have to go back and look
many years, but I don't know if I've ever seen
this many teams in potential contention. When you're talking about
a third place team in Duke that if everything went
wrong for them, could not qualify, Like, that's just crazy
to me. And so not only is it tight, but
there's different types of teams that are in contention that
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haven't necessarily been And you have a team like Florida
State that I believe is very good and I just
had their game with UVA. Both teams incredibly gifted. But
Florida State is sitting in sixth place. So if it
goes wrong for them on Thursday, they cannot be in
the AEC tournament. When did we last say that? And
it's not because they aren't at the level to be there,
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it's because the ACC is so incredibly.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Deep, yep. And on the men's side, Stanford at sixteen
points you mentioned tight, Virginia's at fifteen, NC States at fourteen,
Clemson at thirteen, SMU and Syracuse at twelve, Duke and
Notre Dame at eleven. North Carolina is at ten, and
then you get into Virginia Tech, Wake, Pitt, Louisville, cal
and BC. So yeah, I mean, literally, it's another blink
and you'll miss it. Opportunity on the men's side too,
with a lot of folks beating each other.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Up it just seems to be the theme. It seems
to be the theme of this year. And with the
men's side, which I obviously have, that'sted interest in this
that it's Duke Carolina on Friday for the last game
of the year, which is always fun. I don't know
why that doesn't happen every single year on the men's
and the women's side, but they're very close in the
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standings one point difference, and so it affects seeding. And
then there's other great matchups as well.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, you look at the men's side on their schedule,
and if I'm looking at it correctly, Stanford and cal
Pitt and Louisville, syracusean NC State and this is all
on Friday, so Halloween, by the way, you get your
you're wrapping up the regular season. Stanford and cal Pitt
and Louisville, Syracuse and NC State, Virginia in SMU, Notre
Dame and Wake and Winston Salem Saint Jose in BC
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in a non conference game, Virginia Tech and Clemson and
Duke in Carolina eight o'clock in Chapel Hill on ACC Network.
Where are you going to beat eight o'clock on Halloween Night?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I'm probably going to be at that game. To be
quite honest with you, I am in town, so I
have the game prior on the Thursday with North Carolina
State for HUE and CEE women at eight pm. So Friday,
I'm probably going to mosey on over to Dorance Field
watch a little ACC men's soccer action.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Gee, I'm not surprised about that at all. I'm shocked. Case.
So I love soccer.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
What can I say? I know self describe soccer nerd.
I get it.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Nothing wrong with that. So we'll be looking forward to
your call at the tail end of the week, and
then INWSL, I believe wraps up this week in regular
season as well, So when you come on on next Tuesday,
we'll look at the postseason if the NWSL and the
chaos that was attached to that, and we'll just keep
rolling with the Major League Soccer NWSL playoffs college action,
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and that's what we always bring you in for a
bet leadoff on Tuesdays to kind of let everybody else
know what else is going on that they might have missed.
It's always great to see a Case, and I know
that Owen either wants breakfast or a walk.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
He's been whimpering a little bit, so he's impatient today,
so I'll get him another walk.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Wow, okay, so yeah, Owen's gonna get a walk. And
so where is Owen?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
By the way, he's down below, just cutting down here.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I'm sure he's harrumphing. He's like, oh, excuse me, No, no,
it's too early. I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
He's so well trained.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, I don't want to do it. I'm not interested.
We're going outside right now, and where's my chicken?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Exactly? Well, he's not willing to show his face today.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, as he's being a shy diva. Be well case.
And as always, you know you can bang on the
door at any time. But it's great to see you
on Tuesdays. Thanks for dropping by, of course, have a
good one.
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