Local Celebrity- Barry Walton: Emmy-Winning Insights into Filmmaking, Adventure, and Hollywood Realities

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Step into the world of high-stakes sports rivalries and passionate storytelling as Emmy-winner Barry Walton joins us to reveal the gritty and thrilling underbelly of documentary filmmaking. Barry captures the essence of the craft, unraveling the narrative behind his acclaimed sports documentary featuring NBA icons Kyle Singler and Kevin Love. Our discussion takes you from the electric atmosphere of the Detroit Pistons to the rich tapestry of archival footage that defines our past. As Barry dissects the roles of director versus producer, we're given an exclusive glimpse into the creativity and dedication driving his latest venture, "Artemis," supported by the artistic minds at Full Sail University.

Navigating through the cosmos of conspiracy theories, we touch down on the controversial tales of ex-NASA engineers and moon landing skeptics. Barry's keen insights challenge us to question the narratives fed to us by powerful organizations and the media. Meanwhile, setting sail on a more personal voyage, he shares the transformative impact of his island-hopping odyssey—a testament to the intertwining of passion, ambition, and relationships. We swing from the rigging of his sailing adventures to the grounded, yet no less tumultuous, experiences of pandemic lockdown life, contemplating the surreal reality of Zoom classrooms and the fragmented truths presented by the media.

Lastly, we pull back the velvet curtain to reveal Hollywood's radiant charm and hidden shadows. Barry recounts his journey through the glitz and the darker currents of the entertainment industry, sharing his encounters with celebrities and the struggles many face, including his own experiences with sexual harassment. It's not all grit, though, as we celebrate the awe of capturing daredevil feats and the brilliance of local artists making their mark. Settle in for a voyage of emotion, intrigue, and discovery as we navigate the intricate web of truth, trust, and tales that make our life stories so incredibly rich.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Barry Walton, welcome to theshow.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm glad to be here.
This is awesome.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
It's so cool to have you here.
I feel like we're in the samepool of things outside of this
podcast.
Yeah, you are a documentarian,you've won an Emmy and you
brought it here today.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I did.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I brought some toys to look at or a toy, a toy, the
toy, the toy.
We would like to see thatgolden guy I brought it.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, no, all right, we're going right to it.
We're going right to it becauseit's sitting in front of me.
We all want to hold it.
Let's do this, let's do this,and I want.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Jesse to feel how heavy it is Wait wait, this is
the golden box.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Now I think I ripped out the bottom of this golden
box that used to all be mountedin here, but this is the golden
box that came in.
Oh, and this is the Emmy I knowthat's.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Can we hold it?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, please, no, take it.
Take a look at it.
This is her.
Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
OK, it's the 2013 Michigan Emmy Awards for Sports,
one Time Special.
Tell us, how did you acquireher?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
So I was working with the Detroit Pistons at the time
and I was creating a seriesthat would play on Fox, and we
created a series on Kyle Singlerand Kevin Love.
Kevin Love played with LeBronJames, won a championship with
the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
OK.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Kyle went on to play with Durant, kevin Durant and
OKC and they almost met back upin the NBA finals.
But Kevin and Kyle had a highschool rivalry for like three
years in Oregon north and southand it went on for it was just
an epic battle and so I hadaccess to Kyle and kind of.

(01:53):
We created this series and weplayed it on Fox and it
obviously was successful.
And then we ended it.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
It was about the rivalry.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
It was about the rivalry between Kevin and Kyle
and the ongoing battle forbasketball, and sports fans kind
of ate it up.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
And Kyle was.
Kyle played for Duke and he hadwon under Coach K, had won an
NCAA championship.
So he was just an interestingguy and then we kind of unfolded
, you know, stories about himand his coach and it was just a
fun piece it was kind of, but itwas a one-off.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
It was just a one-off , yeah, one-time sports piece
that sounds like a good story tofollow.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well, here's where.
Well, what I was saying when Isaid he played for with Kevin
Girant was if they had gone backinto the finals and it had been
caught.
Now Kyle didn't get as muchplaying time as Kevin Love.
Kevin Love was a well-knowncommodity in the NBA.
Kyle was kind of like a sixthman or seventh man.

(02:51):
So unfortunately it wouldn'thave been a matchup matchup.
But I called his parents whenthey were going and I said
because I maintained arelationship with them, because
we went out and met them, and Isaid listen, if Kyle wins, I
want to get back in touch withhim.
I go I mean if he gets in thefinals against Kevin.
But he never did, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
That would have been the series.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
That would have been the payoff right yeah because
from high school can you imagine, from all those years in high
school to having an NBA kind ofrematch.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Were you able to get archival photos and stuff?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, no, we had all the high school footage and
that's kind of my thing withdocumentary.
I've got this weird.
I don't completely understandmy love for documentary film,
but I've got this weird fact.
I literally and I just recentlywatched this series called
America in Color on Paramountand it's all this old 1900s,

(03:42):
early 1900s footage that theyrecolored.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Oh my gosh, I think I've seen an ad for that.
It's really impressive.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, it's really good.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Whoa, OK, so there's a documentary about it.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, so it's American history on Paramount
and it's really just a well-toldpiece.
But I could sit and watch oldarchive footage.
I get this weird quirk.
I don't even know what it is.
No, it's fun.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's like a little peek into history, but you've
produced seven and or directedproduced slash directed.
The first one I watched wasArtemis and I got really curious
because A I'm around producersa lot, but not directors so much

(04:27):
.
I want to know what the fineline is, because during the
movie you said that or in one ofyour interviews that you had a
crew out there.
I was under the impression youwere the one that was asking the
questions to the folks that youmet along the way.
Who was your crew and how didthat work?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, I had this two awesome youngsters that came out
of full sale.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
actually Props to that place which turns out a lot
of them.
Yeah, I wanted to go there, butI don't know if I ever applied
or I didn't make it.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
I still would like to go there.
I wanted to go back and get amaster's, but Tanner Roberts and
Parker Davidson, two youngsters.
Tanner loved these guys andthey stayed up all night on the
shore.
I had access to the ApolloViewing Center.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
OK, so you were the only one by the rocket.
Yeah, ok.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
So a friend of mine, tim Honeycutt, who's an engineer
, an operations engineer in NASA, had helped me gain that access
and so I had access there, andthen Tanner and Parker came to
the first launch and that'swhere we got a lot of those, and
those guys are so talented.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
They're so good at the OTFC.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
And what you're saying, I think, is a little bit
like you mentioned fine line,like who gets all the credit and
how does that?
Is that what?

Speaker 1 (05:52):
you were thinking, yeah, well, I mean not so much
credit.
But yeah, what does a directordo that a producer doesn't?
I think they're more of theexecutive producer in the
background.
They're the ones being like yougo out there and get those
interviews and you go and dothat time lapse.
You have amazing time lapses onthat documentary.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, those were mine .
It's a good question.
I think the layers, I think theroles become more defined with
the budget, with the budget andwith our budget.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
it was basically like it was a three man band.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah it was exactly.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Did you edit it?

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I did.
I edited the piece and for meit was.
I have a passion for space andI want to connect more to that
industry and I just saw I wasjust like what better way than
just to take advantage of anopportunity and go out and make
something?

Speaker 1 (06:50):
to tell a story.
Yeah, how did you get thatopportunity?
How did you connect with NASA?

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Well, this really started when I started.
Ok, so, in full disclosure, Imoved here three years ago, 2020
.
And getting settled.
Obviously, everyone around hereloves the launches and I'm one
of those people.
So I started going to all thelaunches and what I love, along

(07:14):
with archive footage, is I lovequirky subcultures and when I
would go to these launches and Imean not have access, but just
go to the lagoon, to the beachside You'd see all these guys on
their ham radios and justpicking up the signals and just
hanging out to see the launchand this super subculture.

(07:38):
And then I was down there and Ifound it fascinating.
This one guy was an ex-NASAengineer.
He had bought and built amissile-esque guidance system
with a camera on it mind you,not a missile Laser-guided
camera and he would pull it upto the sea.

(07:59):
Space X kicked him off the baseBecause he had captured.
Remember when that one launchblew up.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
What Like decades ago ?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, if you go on.
I think his page is.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, that happened when we were little.
Now it's been like a decade.
Oh OK, never mind.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
But maybe not that long.
But anyways, I don't know allthe details, but I know that he
captured it.
They didn't want him to releaseit.
He did anyways, and theystopped giving him access, oh my
god.
So he was stuck shooting shoreside, but he had this little
camper, not even like a halfcamper, like you remember being

(08:35):
John Malkovich.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, I saw it once.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
And there's floor 13 and a half and you go inside and
it's like half.
Anyways, there's a scene thatyou kind of squeeze into a
really small space that was hisarea Like I had to crawl into
this cubby hole and he had allthese monitors capturing the
launch.
It was just amazing.
So I'm kind of deep diving here.
But when I was there and I sawthis subculture I was like this

(09:02):
is an untold story.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, yeah, why the secrecy?
I mean, I'm always poking atthat.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
You mean what?
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
With NASA, like why would they not want that footage
to be released?
It's just what it is.
It happened, it's documented,you know.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
I think it's controlling your image at that
level.
I think it was more SpaceX andI think they just wanted to
control their image.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Sure, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
And they don't want third party.
Especially they don't want togive Like if I'm going to let
you in this close to the launch,you need to abide by our
interests.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
And that's what I think.
I mean I'm down with conspiracytheories.
I love conspiracy theories.
I mean I'd love to deep diveinto that.
I got buddies always sending mestuff about did we make it to
the moon, or didn't we?
I was just recently at LockheedMartin and listening to them
for an event and listening tothem talk about going back to

(10:08):
the moon and all this stuff andsometimes I'm like.
on the same day that I was going, a friend of mine showed me
this snapshot of a phone fromthe 1960s and a phone from today
and he's like went to the moon1960s phone Still can't go to
the moon, still can't iPhone?

Speaker 1 (10:28):
They lost the telomeres, whatever those are.
Is what?
Yeah, my deep dive into that.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Telomeres, what's that?
I don't fucking know.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Oh great, I don't know, but that's what I've read.
And yeah, there's so many NASAengineers here and they're
getting old and I'm thinking tomyself somebody needs to get in
their face before they getdementia.
And nobody knows anything.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
It's funny, I again I love conspiracy, and only
because, in an effort to not becompletely defranchised by this
crazy world, we live in youcan't say anything nowadays.
I know, I know.
So who am I?
I'm nobody, but even I censor alittle bit of my speech, which

(11:20):
is stupid at some level, but Iguess it's just the age we live
in.
But I don't know.
I'm torn because I watch.
If you watch in the shadow ofthe moon, they interview the
astronauts and those guys are soauthentic in their love and
passion.
I mean you listen.
You should watch it in theshadow of the moon Great
documentary.
Okay, I'll do that.

(11:43):
And those guys are so in and sopassionate about their
experience that I watch that andI have a hard time going.
It's not real.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Okay, to be fair, I've only watched clips of their
interviews where they lookreally uncomfortable answering
questions in front of the press.
So yeah, I haven't seen those.
You got it you should watch.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
I mean so if you watch that and then you measure
it up against kind of what, andlike yesterday I just a friend
of mine just sent me a wholething on the breakdown and the
lines, and you know, stanley,Kubrick and how they shot it and
I'm like I mean, I work in thisindustry, you work in this
industry.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Also like the camera.
I've gone far enough to be likewhere's the camera?
If they're both, we see both ofthem like who's operating.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
And they broadcast it live.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, and like so the camera was supposedly on one of
the legs of the lander, butalso like what?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
I think for me here's the thing is, this could be
easily debunked because we havepowerful enough telescopes to
just look at the moon andprobably see the flag still
there, right?

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Am I right or wrong?
Am I right?
Do we we?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
should.
This is so much speculation butI feel like it could be easily
debunked.
So this is where I'm torn,because this is so holding both.
So I like to look at thingsobjectively and not state an
opinion but have the viewer likeask themselves.
And so what I say is likelooking at the show of the moon,

(13:17):
listening to the astronauts,their enthusiasm, their
authenticity and going I'mconflicted.
Those guys seem really legit.
Some of them seem like theyhave strong ethics and seem like
really good people.
How have they held up thisnarrative for so long?
And then turn that off andwatch kind of the critical
analysis of the moon footage andyou kind of go hmm, that seems

(13:38):
legit.
Did they do it?
Did they do it and then justre-film it?
I mean what?
I don't?
So I don't have that answer,but it does seem like if NASA
wanted, they could easily debunkit.
And then we're talking aboutgoing back and apparently NASA
has said that section where welanded is now they've protected

(14:03):
it, as like every you're notsupposed.
Is this true?
This?

Speaker 1 (14:06):
could be false.
This could be complete.
I mean, I don't know, like,who's going up there and putting
the rope around, yeahdisclaimer.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
This could be completely false, but somebody,
I mean I shouldn't even say that.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I mean, the truth must be somewhere in between,
right?
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
I'm saying to the viewer ask yourself.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Ask the questions.
I just have like a mountain ofquestions.
I'm not saying this or that.
I just want to understand itbetter because-.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
That's what we do.
That's what we do right.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, yeah, we investigate.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, I think curiosity is healthy.
Yeah, yeah yeah, a certainamount of curiosity.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Naivete and curiosity Like, not cynical curiosity, I
don't want to be a cynic, no,and I know that I know nothing,
right?
Yeah, exactly, I just want toask questions and get an answer
that kind of makes more sense.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah yeah, I'm with you on that.
So that's my thought on the-.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Artemis, all right, but we went a long ways off of a
space.
Yes, how?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
about you.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
It was so cool, you said, you got here in 2020.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Where were you before that?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Detroit.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Detroit.
Yeah, okay, I've moved a lot inmy life so, but 2020 was
pandemic and you made adocumentary called Empty America
, which I saw as well.
Very well done, thank you.
Tell me, how did you film that?
Were you really going to allthese so it was your footage.
Yeah, this was a one-man band.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Well, I gotta stop breathing it's not so close.
I breathe in the mic here.
Excuse me, audience.
I'm trying to be a professionalpodcaster here.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
We're not professionals, no exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Exactly, that's what I like about-.
Where do I start with this?
In February, you know, februarycame Strange time for everyone.
I was living in Michigan.
I was already struggling withthe cold.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
You know, I lived in California.
I lived in warm weather forbasically almost 18 years.
Move back to Michigan.
I'd been there for like sevenyears and I was me and my wife,
my wife's from Italy, strugglingwith the cold, Locked in the
house.
February, March, shut down andjust like what is going on, yeah

(16:20):
, right, yeah.
So here's the true story is,like I said to my wife, I just
had this vision, so I used to doJeep commercials and work for
Jeep.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Okay, new.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Chrysler we used to go out to Moab, to Utah, to the
desert.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I always wondered where they filmed us.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
We used to do these things in Moab in Utah.
So I knew Utah well becauseI've been out there like six
times in the last like two orthree years and I said this is
so weird, let's just get awayfrom people, let's just go out
to the desert.
Like everyone's worried aboutcontact, like how about if we
just get away from people but weget some space.
Mind you, no better time totake a vacation only from the

(16:59):
perspective is I could barter atthe hotels.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
With what?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Because there's nobody there, I'd be like I'm a
veteran.
They'd be like it's 120 for thenight.
I'm like I'm a veteran, can yougive me a discount?
Could we get?
I literally barter the hotelswould let me barter.
Never before in history I wouldget $120 hotels down to like
$80 everywhere I went Becausethey were empty.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, nobody wanted to go anywhere.
Completely empty.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
We would be the only people I was loved in for months
.
Yeah, it was kind of eerie Iwould.
I questioned if I was beingirresponsible.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Well, yeah, Everybody you know.
Yeah, there was this likeblogger mom who got canceled
because she decided to go on ajourney much like yours and it's
like I don't know.
It was so confusing back then.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Well, I wasn't really sharing what we were doing at
the time.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Just yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
And I brought the cameras along as a caveat.
I mean I have them.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, I'm like I'm going to and you're a
documentarian yeah, I'm going totake beauty footage.
Well, that's what I thought.
It was so brilliant of you totake the cameras out.
I know you got the.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Believe it or not.
I almost didn't.
I know.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Well, that kind of reminds me of your, the one I
saw where you were on the boat.
Remind me what reaching reality.
Yeah, yeah, it's like, becauseI've faced that too, like the
struggle of pulling the cameraout.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, it's there.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
You know, I don't know what there is.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
That's an interesting topic because you know, just
kind of shifting from one to theother and shifting gears like
man, that I think that is thedifference in in kind of making
it and not making it in thisindustry sometimes.
Yes, I had the biggest struggle, that film that you mentioned

(18:45):
reaching reality.
So we go, Me and a me and afriend went on a sailing trip
for two months from SanFrancisco down to the tip of of
Mexico.
We explored seven islands andit was the most miserable first
month of my life.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
I know I want to dive more into that actually,
because I could sense that itwas like and then at one point,
you know, let me see, I wrotedown quotes this is an honor.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
I love this.
I've never had anyone careabout any of my work.
You might be the person to evershow any interest in anything.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
It was really cool because it's like it's, it's
very I don't know.
I think it's what a lot of uswant to do, right, but you could
see your struggles.
There was a line and I can'tfind it on my notes because they
look like chicken.
Oh, here it is.
Barry's episodes like it was.

(19:45):
It was touched on and the wordexplosions was used, and I'm
curious like what that lookedlike, because obviously you or I
are not going to point thecamera in our own face when we
are raging.
Yeah, is that what happened onthe?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
boat.
Well, I was 20.
I was 31 and probably a.
You know, I I'm a, I'm acreative type and moody.
Probably I wouldn't go as faras to say I'm bipolar.
I'm clinically bipolar, but I'mmoody, I'm emotional, I'm very,

(20:20):
you know, I'm very in thatregards and I say passion.
Passion is a good word, andthen you take that and you put
it on like we were on a 23 foot.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Okay, you know sailboats.
Do you know, Are boats verywell 23 small.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
And we're on the Pacific.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
And why?

Speaker 2 (20:40):
on earth, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
I know, and it's like , oh, we'll do anything to get
on a boat, like I've been onsurf trips and I don't
understand them.
It's rough, it's yeah, it'suncomfortable, and then, at the
end of the day, rarely do youget the wave that you're going
after.
Why the hell did you do?
This Because you had a cozylittle life.

(21:03):
You had a girlfriend, you left.
Did you guys break up?

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Well, she broke up with me before I left before you
broke my heart, the one thatgot away.
The one that got away.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
No way, man.
No, no, no, Because later youwent to Italy.
No.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
I've got the, I am there.
He's like your tiny wife.
Yeah, I'm so lucky right now.
I don't want to.
I don't want to mislead andcreate a narrative.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
But why leave those little snippets out of the dock?
Were you just, were you justnot thinking that that mattered?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Well, you know, I think it does have to do
something with maturity andgrowth.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
As you grow in your storytelling.
And now I'm working on adocumentary where the
storytelling is so hard and youknow when you're starting out
you don't have the funding tohire people.
Finally, I've gotten thefunding to hire a writer and all
of a sudden I have perspectiveI never would have had.
And then that one that was allfunded and done by me.

(21:59):
I did the editing, I dideverything from A to Z.
So sometimes you don't, it'shard to see those things.
I didn't know how to tell thatand it also felt like I was
taking the viewer on a journeyof the trip on the boat
primarily, and then, if Istarted talking about this

(22:19):
relationship, did I show themthe relationship?
I guess I was in conflict withthat and I didn't know how to
delve into and it was hard tomeasure, like is this boring or
is this interesting?

Speaker 1 (22:31):
You know, that's the hardest thing is like Well, you
got to see the girlfriend alittle bit and you know she did
not like the idea.
No, not at all, but then, yeah,it was like I think that my
main question is I know the guysdo this too and girls do this
too like you pray, love, likesometimes you just have to get

(22:52):
up.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I love that both.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
In your situation and leave and find yourself, even
if it's like you're masking thiswith finding the wave or even
making the dock.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Well, you know, I had set in my mind that if this
trip it was a two month trip, ifthis was the difference between
us making it and not making it,then, I'm not giving up the
trip.
Like you know, like there was aconflict, she didn't want me to
go on the trip and I was likeif, why not, though?

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Did she have a reason ?

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, I don't think it was ever gonna work.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yes, there you go.
It just wasn't gonna work.
There you go.
She ripped up, ripped out theband aid before.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, you know like she saved me in the trouble.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
She saved me in the trouble.
I don't know how much I wantedto share with everyone, but it
was not.
She was.
That was just not the bestrelationship I'd had in my life.
It wasn't a good.
You know.
Like that time in my life I wasvery alone.
It's funny because, like youknow, you'd have to follow the
cycle and I mentioned that I'mwriting a book and I'm kind of

(23:56):
telling the story, which is asearch for self-god love.
You know, the known and theunknown, which is a yin and the
yang and kind of like.
Anyways, there's a lot to that.
But at that time in my life Ihad kept kind of pushing into
the unknown right.
The unknown is kind of.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
It's freaky yeah it's the adventure.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
It's like I'm taking risks, I'm going places I
haven't been in, and so I keptleaving friends and going to new
places.
And that trip and I was alsohad like a little bit of an
addiction to adventure andtravel and surf can be very
addicting, and I had no balancein that.
I had just like gone full intothat.
Like that dominated my life.

(24:40):
I couldn't think of anythingbut that.
So because of that, everythingelse was lacking and I was very
lonely.
And when you're very lonelyit's almost like there's a
certain amount of desperationand vulnerability.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Lonely, even if you were coupled up.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, well, I was just yeah, and so because of
that, I clung to someone that.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I was clingy.
Clingy, you know what I mean.
But then how did you know torip yourself apart or away, I
don't know there must have beensomething.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Well, I do think, if you, I do think I don't think
enough credit is given to people.
You know our awareness ofwhat's right for us and what's
wrong for us.
You know what I mean.
Like I knew that that wasn't agood relationship.
You know what I mean, and so Idon't think enough credit and I

(25:29):
knew it from day one.
So for me, I don't think enoughcredit is given to us on what
we, on being aware.
So I knew that, so when?
But I was such a dramaticperson, it was like I was just
like, it was just such adifferent time in my life.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
I was just like so dramatic and just no, don't
leave me.
And I was so gosh, it's sofunny You're kind of bringing up
like parts of my life that I'vekind of packed away a little
bit.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, you're like I don't wanna talk about that.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I don't wanna think about it.
I don't mind, I don't mind.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, there's a lot of times when you look back and
you kind of cringe at maybereactions you've had.
I know I do that and I beatmyself up, but there's certain
things and moments that you'rejust like I don't wanna think
about that anymore, like youhave to give yourself credit for
being young and being able tosort of overcome whatever.
Whatever it is that happenedthere.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Well, you know, I mean it's funny because when I'm
writing this book and retellingand it's kind of a story of my
life, it's so cathartic and I gothrough these moments and it's
funny.
Like you say, I'll have momentswhen I'm writing that book,
even from the trip where I hadthese explosions that you were
mentioning earlier, and I'llcall up Dan who's one of the

(26:44):
characters.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
So you guys are still friends.
I was curious about that.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, very close With Dan and me talk once a week and
Dennis once a month or so.
Still very close.
He lives in the Pacific NorthNortheast and Dennis is still in
LA, but I'll call him up andwanna apologize.
There were times Aw, yeah,cause I'm like Dan, I'm sorry
that I was such a, especiallywhen I was editing the
documentary, cause I would seemyself talking and then I'd be

(27:08):
like I'm sorry, I was so upset.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Was there more footage of you?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
that you didn't include.
Oh my, gosh.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
There's so much I mean do you still have it?

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, if you okay, so I have on Amazon.
So there's two places where youcan see like a longer version.
There's a longer version.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
I made a series.
Yeah, I saw the series.
It's like a four part series onAmazon.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Well, on YouTube.
Yeah, also, my distributor puton Amazon Prime.
I have two on the four partseries.
I said no one's watching that,let's just leave the one on, and
they took the videos off, butthey left the anyways, whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
But if Wait, I have a question For the young
documentarians out there how thehell do you get your stuff on
Amazon?
You say you have a distributor.
Well, it's a lot harder than itused to be.
Really.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Amazon has got has really buckled down post like
the age of like conflict, ofsharing information and getting
misinformation and all thisstuff.
So pre COVID, my distributor,could just I have a distributor
in Europe and it's crazy, it's afootnote Like this stuff has

(28:20):
been seen in Russia.
He would hit me up and be like,hey, I just got an offer for a
couple thousand dollars to showthis in Russia and I'm like sure
, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
That's so cool.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
No, I know, it was kind of cool.
What would be funny is if Iwent to Russia someday and
they're like you're yeah,exactly, and I'm like, wait, no
one knows me in America, but I'mlike David Hasselhoff in
Germany.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, that would be so awesome.
That would be my dream.
At least somebody knows me, youknow.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
I don't care if it's the Russians, okay.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
so we got a nasty conflict going on.
Caution red light, red light.
No one knows anymore, rightOkay?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
In America, I don't wanna-.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
We'll have to come back and do like a full on
conspiracy theory breakdown.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
I'd love to do that.
Yeah, that would be fun.
That would be fun.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
I've been waiting for the right person.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I mean if I'm on it.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Or like a table discussion.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I think it's a great idea.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I'm like I would go into COVID cause again.
We were talking about the tripacross America, part of that
just so, just to kind of for theaudience is following along.
We opened up the COVID trip andwe opened up kind of the
sailing trip.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
So if I were to jump back to that trip, yes, so the
COVID trip was across Americaand the audio was just from like
radio stations, but the visualswere like landscapes and just
stops and stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Let me ask you a question.
When you said you were lockedin your house when this all went
down?
Okay, so none of us have had anexperience like this ever, Ever
yeah.
What was going on with you?
Like what was it.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
I was up in Jersey, so like right next to New York,
just on the outskirts, and welocked ourselves for months,
like to think about it now, tobe like what do you mean?
You were in your house formonths.
We were the type of people thatwould get groceries delivered
and fucking scrub them beforethey ever went in the house.

(30:13):
Months of that.
And then I remember the firsttime we went outside it must
have been like late spring andwe were like terrified to have
people walking by.
And then we went back insideand like hid for another two
weeks before we're like maybe weshould go out on a car ride.
And we went to Hoboken andthere was people just like

(30:37):
living their lives and we'relike what?
Like we were kind of indisbelief because we thought
everybody was just staying intheir house, nobody was walking
or going to cafes or anything.
So that was kind of eye-opening.
And then, you know, even mydaughter, quincy, like the first
time a human like went near her.

(30:59):
She freaked out and like camerunning back.
So it was a mind fuck for awhile I think months, months
later, we decided to come downhere.
We grew up here and then thatwas even more like what in the
hell have we been fed?
Or like we took extraprecautions.

(31:21):
I thought we were all going todie for a while there and I
didn't want to.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
So wait, when you say , what have we been fed?
What did you start to like?
Did you have a moment?
Where have you come to aresolution on that and would you
handle it differently?
And what do you see differently?
Do you any thoughts on that?

Speaker 1 (31:43):
No, I feel like it just had to be the way it was
you know, I don't and I don'tknow, I don't, I don't know.
There's almost too much to say.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
I do remember switching between Fox and CNN
and trying to sort of find somecommon truth or ground.
It was so confusing.
But I just remember beingterrified for months and then
dealing with like somebodythat's she was like four or five

(32:20):
Zoom schooling like it wasridiculous.
Did you have your son then?
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
That was driving me nuts.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
See, we're see, I it's funny because I think this
is a great conversation, becauseI think, and what you said
about like it's almost too muchto talk about and I think
there's not a lot of people thatwill unpack it anymore.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
It's kind of like, as a society, we've all said look,
it's kind of like therelationship thing that we just
were talking about with me.
It was just like I've kind ofput that away.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, yeah, like why even poke at it.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
There's truths to both sides, but also, like I see
, I guess, in light of this newCOVID variant, I guess maybe I'm
hesitating to say anythingbecause I don't, I don't want
people to die, but are theystill dying?
And if they are dying, is itbecause of that or is it other
issues?
I don't, I don't, I don't know,I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
See, I don't.
I See now that the humorousside of me wants to say I don't
care if people die.
I just and I used to say that Iused to be on the phone.
So I was doing a call with somefriends in Europe, actually my
friend Lars, who lives in London, and my friend Cody actually is
in Australia.
So we were on a Zoom calltogether and during the lockdown

(33:39):
and they were calling me to askme like what are you doing?
You're driving around thecountry.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, well, australia was super locked down.
Yeah, so Australia was crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
And I'm like and Lars is like, I just don't want to
be killing people.
Barry, all pompous and I'm likeI don't really care if people
die, but I said that in a senseof like I drive you know, like
that was the crux of COVID.
It was all of ourresponsibility not to kill each
other.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Right.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Right, and that was a hard thing to navigate, because
is it really, you know?
And everyone would be like,well, we're in a social contract
with each other, right?
Yeah, it's nice, barry, you canhave this experience, but we
have a social contract and asocial responsibility to each
other.
And I was, and I always was,like, well, that's true of

(34:30):
everything you know, but you canalways take it to the extremes
and like, where does thatresponsibility begin and end?
And so, for me, all I careabout is just having the
conversation, in a sense that,like I took a much different
approach.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
I went the other way.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, you did.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
And so, for me, I want to talk to someone like you
and understand you better, andI would hope that you and people
like you would want tounderstand me better.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
I understand both sides, like I understand why you
did what you did and Iunderstand why I did what I did.
And I wonder well, you know, Iwas saying we were watching the
news, the two news outlets butafter a while I'm like let's
shut this off and never turn iton again.
And that's what we did, youknow.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
That's amazing.
I love it I have.
I was talking to a friend ofmine recently.
He's 70, one of my closefriends.
He was out in California and hewas just recently.
We got a phone and in the firsttwo minutes of the conversation
he started ranting about theTrump indictment and he was like

(35:43):
so worked up and so angry andI'm like Pablo, like what dude?
Like there's so many otherthings I'd rather talk about.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I haven't talked to you in like four months,
especially when people are likeso aggravated about it.
I mean as a girl who I won't gointo that.
But I don't understand sports,I don't like them, and it's
because I think it's becauseit's the same thing People get
so ragey, you know, like when myhusband's team loses.

(36:11):
I mean he's very, but I couldtell it affects him.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
You know like he gets , and what I was saying in
relation to you turning the TVoff was I said wait, where do
you get all this stuff from?
And he's like, oh, I'm watching.
And he's going through thenetworks and I'm like, pablo, I
stopped watching news a longtime ago.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, I think they showed us the true colors right.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I mean, it's just, it's rage, it's.
They're incentivized by rageand in fact, they're
entertainment companies.
Right no.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
It's not news per se.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Okay, back to.
So, back to the film, part ofwho we are.
Yeah, and I think this is valid, and I was having this
conversation and I hope I don'tlose the thought because it was
just there, but I was talkingabout this.
You know, jordan Peterson talksabout the sacred, the sacred

(37:08):
let's see the sacred fallinginto the profane, something like
that, and what that basicallymeans is there are things in
life that the human, becausewe're so simple and we
categorize quickly things asgood and bad, and we want to
have clear understandings ofcharacters.
I want to know who you are.
You know, I listened to youtalking with Shargood.

(37:31):
She's like she knows her brand.
She's like I'm good, I'm happy.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
You know what I mean.
I love her, by the way.
I love her.
Yeah, she's great.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
And that's easy for people to characterize.
So when I saw, like WolfBlitzer, cnn anchor on a movie,
for me that was a definition ofthe sacred falling into the
profane meaning.
He went from an outstandingreporter of truth to a fictional

(37:57):
actor in a fictional story.
Right, and what I knew as afilmmaker is my mind
subconsciously now.
Right now I'm thinking I'maware I'm in this industry, so I
know how to critically analyzecharacters.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
But I'm trying to think from the layman's
perspective.
Their subconscious mind hassuddenly begun to question truth
.
Why?
Because how do I know when he'sacting and when he's not acting
?
Yeah Right, so I don't everremember Tom Brokaw being in a
film.
I don't ever remember.

(38:33):
You think of the greatestcharacter anchors in American
news?
They never crossed that lineRight.
And then these guys startcrossing this line from
entertainment for money andyou're like what's truth?
And so for me, truth is inquestion.
And I was having this talk withPaul and I'm like he's like how

(38:58):
can people support this side orthat side?
And I'm like dude, nobodytrusts anybody.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Is that you think that's?
I mean, yeah, I guess if you'reon the left you don't trust the
right, and then people like Idon't know me, who are on
neither side.
I don't trust either of them.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
I think most people don't.
I think the truth of the matteris if we really knew.
The majority of people don'ttrust anyone and the hard part
of that is they're left to theirown devices to decide.
So they go.
I don't trust anyone, but I'min this group, this tribe

(39:36):
working class group, whatever,and then I can relate with what
they believe in and so I'm goingin that direction.
And I'm in this corporate groupand I'm in this side and I can
relate with cause.
I know corporate culture and mydad was a working class man and
he worked in the steel foundryhis whole life.
So I know working class cultureand I did the corporate thing

(39:57):
and then I was like screw it all, I'm going on my own.
But so I sit on both sides andI go.
When you have no trust, youjust trust your tribe.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Right, and I think maybe that's that might've been
your mentality when you decidedto go on the journey, like it's
not that you really don't careif anybody dies.
It's it's-.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I was just curious.
You're curious, what's going on.
You're like yeah, I was likewhat is going on?

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Or also you have to do things for yourself, like if,
if what you say is true, thatyou don't, you don't trust, then
it's almost like being in anabusive relationship Like there.
There has to come a point whereyou shake yourself and be like
you have to love yourself.
You know before you Well, I do,and that's where I was.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I mean, look, I work in marketing, I understand
messaging.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
I understand and I work with.
I work really hard on workingon creating what they call quote
unquote organic.
They don't call it organicanymore.
What do they call it?
They call it something else.
But anyways, you know what Imean by organic.
It's authentic.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
So what are, what are some of your clients?
This is through endless media.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Your, your marketing.
It's a marketing company, butyou're telling stories?
Yeah, through the marketing.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Well, one of my favorite clients and biggest
clients that I've had for sixyears is OpenGov.
They're a SaaS company out ofSan Francisco and and I work to
tell stories of governmentofficials and I've worked with.
I've interviewed the mayor ofTampa, I've interviewed the
mayor of Savannah and I'vegotten to travel across the
country and meet governmentofficials and kind of tell their

(41:36):
stories.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
What do you find?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Just real people.
That's what this nextdocumentary is about.
I'm all over the place withstories here, but I'm probably
you can like jump in there.
No, and it's okay.
I'm probably leaving peoplehanging on a couple things, but
I think I can answer that in acouple things.
What I find is is just realpeople.

(42:03):
By and large, government isfull of real people that just
want to do good for theircommunity.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
When do you think it gets to a compromising level,
like when do they leave these-?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I think local governments by and large are
still very pure in nature.
I could say that that's whythey don't have any money.
I mean, really like, what weshould be fighting for is that
federal funding be reversed andthe states stop paying so much
to the federal government.
One thing I'm all about is whenI see states taking more power

(42:39):
and ownership and that's a bigreason I came down to Florida of
their own money, because, byand large, local government is
not corrupt.
We still have the small time.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Why else did you come to Florida?
Did you have friends here?

Speaker 2 (42:58):
My wife's Italian.
She grew up in Italy.
It's warm weather and she hasItalian friends down here.
Really yeah there's a wholeItalian community down here.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Where.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Well, I mean, my wife has a group of friends with
like 10 and 10 friends.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Are you guys?
Italian American club members.
We were, yeah, we've been to acouple I've been wanting to go
there.
I love, I love.
It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
No it's so good for my wife.
Michigan I don't wanna be downon Michigan.
I love Michigan's, where I grewup, or Detroit, but this is a
better city for her.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
That's when you went okay, can we go back?
So you went on this boat.
You came back.
You met your wife in Costa Rica, but she was Italian.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
How long after that documentary did you meet her?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
The sailing documentary.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, the sailing documentary.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
The sailing documentary.
That was probably two years.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Two years, so you're still traveling from were you in
?

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Hollywood.
I was doing shows for Net Geoon Animal Planet.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
What show did you do on Animal Planet?
I did 2Q.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Weird true and freaky Ooh, or are you heard of that
Weird true and?

Speaker 1 (44:06):
freaky.
No, was it good no?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, it was interesting.
They pumped out two seasons andwe ended up doing like 54
episodes and we would go andfind, like Scorpion Milkers who
had milk, scorpion Venom is someof the most rarest proteins on
the planet.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
And what do you do with that?

Speaker 2 (44:30):
They make medicines out of it and stuff like that.
They can bind it.
So proteins are like, from whatI understand, are like building
blocks, like Lego blocks and oh, I can find this rare Lego
block and that's going to makemy All the pieces come together.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, it's going to make all.
Oh, that's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, so they milk.
So that was one.
And we went and saw these bighorned cows in the middle of
America.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Were you producing in the field?
Field producing, yeah, so youwere like right up in there.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, I was on a plane.
I could have.
I should have been a pilot.
I was traveling so much.
I was on a plane like three orfour days a week for six months
straight.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
It was both the greatest and the most miserable.
You know what it is.
You know what it is.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Like you can't enjoy the moment and again another
thing from reaching reality,like you're not able to enjoy it
.
You wanted to be a filmmakerand here you are making your
film and you are miserable.
I feel like that's what it iswhen you're working too, like I
love editing, but when I'msitting at my desk actually
doing it, like it could bereally stressful and I can lose

(45:39):
sight of it Unless.
Like I'm slapping down somemusic, it's fun, but still
you're under pressure.
If you have like a really likeon hands producer, you're like
head off my back.
Like let me just do this.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
It's funny because what I struggle with most in our
industry is when I get on a setwith a youngster who thinks
it's about being cool and it'sabout like I'm doing you know
I'm doing.
And like dude, all I know iswork Like this.
Like all I know is like I'm noteven anybody in this industry,

(46:18):
like I may have reached athreshold in some area, but no
one knows me from Adam and all Iknow is work.
From the day I started thistill now and every time I turn
around it's working.
If I can build up enough equityin this industry to have some
time off, like I'm just like ohmy gosh.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
It's not as glamorous as anybody thinks it is.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
But I couldn't do anything else.
And I will have and I havemoments they're like literally
like that fast of a moment, likea click of a finger, where I'll
be like I'm doing art and I'mmaking money doing it.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, like
when I'm laying down music,that's how I feel I'm setting
the mood.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
This is great, yeah.
And then you get a call with aclient and they'll destroy
everything for you.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yes, network notes are so annoying.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Oh, and the client that knows how to do it.
Uh-huh, I can, I know how toedit and I can.
I'm like oh God, you, here wego.
Thank you, oh.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
God, that's so funny.
What other reality do you?
Have you done any other shows?
You haven't done reality.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
My favorite show.
A lot of different at Geo.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Not Geo okay.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I'm on Defying Niagara, about the guys that go
over.
Niagara falls in a barrel.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Oh yeah, it was cool.
What In a barrel?
You know this.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
You haven't done it for years.
They haven't done it since like2000.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
No, I've never heard of this.
2005 was the last time.
What do you mean?
They get in a barrel and theythrow themselves off the.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
They've stopped doing it for years, but like between
like the 70s and 2005,.
And even before, there's thislong history of going over
Niagara falls in a barrel.
But there was an era, so wecaptured.
It was so cool.
I uncovered, I got a privateinvestigator.
We dug up like five of the topdaredevils Steve Trotter, who

(48:14):
was a Florida guy, went overtwice.
Dave Munday again, who was thelegend and gone over twice.
And then, like Peter I forgethis last name, search for the B
anyway, no, it wasn't Peter, itwas, oh man, I'm forgetting his
name he went over on acid and hecame out of the barrel naked
and I got him on the phone.

(48:34):
I got him on the phone 10 yearslater after he'd done it.
And now he's a dad with kidsand I'm like, oh god, this guy
was so cool.
I'm like, dude, you're my hero.
He's like he was so excited tohear from us.
He's just one of those dads whodid this wild thing and now
he's on with life and he wasn'tashamed of it at all and he was
telling and he dug up all hisold archive.

(48:55):
I got all his old archive ofhim actually coming out naked
and everything.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I don't understand what a barrel is.
I'm picturing like a beer orlike a bourbon barrel.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Well, originally, I think originally they had done
something similar.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
What is it?
It's like a vessel.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
But yeah, so now they'll take like, let's say,
like a huge.
Oh, like you know, farms havemilk, huge steel, like a gas
station would have a huge milk,maybe like a huge gas steel
thing barrel, I don't know Like,if you imagine, you've seen
like LP gas, lp gas, you've seenLP gas steel kind of.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
It's just like a big steel barrel, big big steel kind
of thing, and you get in thereand you just toss yourself.
Well, they put padding in it, Ilove how I feel like I am
watching a cartoon in my head,trying to understand.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
OK, this is what you're going to love.
This is what you're going tolove, since you're so kind of
trying to figure this out.
So they take a steel barrel andthey do some welding and they
seal it, obviously, and thenthey create some padding on the
inside and straps.
Strap yourself in, becauseyou're going to drop 170, I
think three feet over the falls.

(50:10):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
This is giving me the Titanic summary vibe.
No, it's so cool.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
I wanted to write a book especially about this dude
that went over without a barreland survived, but anyways,
that's another story.
But one guy went over with akayak and died Jesse forget his
name, and I called his mom.
I called his mom.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Wait, wait.
I'm sorry you witnessed this?

Speaker 2 (50:31):
No, no, I was just.
I was just researching.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Oh, and that's degrading, ok.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
I called his mom and got permission to use the
footage.
Holy cow, that was a hard call,I bet it was.
So I mean and this isjournalism- I know.
So it was journalism, so I'mlike I got the mom's number.
There's two of the toughestcalls that I ever did Was this
one in another player, NBAplayer, who what's his name?
Anyways, I don't want tosidetrack, Let me stay focused

(50:58):
on this, Jesse's mom.
I called her up and you couldjust tell Like she was just
broken by this.
I mean, it had been like 10years after the fact.
And he went and he was so sureof his success he made dinner
plans down the river.
They never found his body andso I called her up and I was
like you know, first I want tojust my condolences.

(51:19):
Yeah, you know this is probablytough and I don't mean to bring
up that and this is who I am.
I work with that geo and we'retelling the story and we have
the footage of your son andwe're probably going to tell the
story.
But I want to be respectful toyou and ask your permission.
Can we tell the story?
Because I go, I want to focuson what your son loved his

(51:42):
passion.
Like.
I don't want to exploit yourson, but your son clearly did
this enough that he loved it andwas willing to do this, and it
was an unfortunate end.
But I want to celebrate likewho he was.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
So he had done it successfully before.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
No, he never did it successfully.
No one's ever done itsuccessfully on a kayak.
I don't think anyone will.
I wouldn't do it and I'm notencouraging that on that show.
Do Niagara Falls on a kayak?
Don't?
Full disclosure.
Not a good idea, don't do it,but anyway.
So what I was telling you isthey build these barrels, they
make padding, and I startedlearning about all these guys in

(52:16):
the different ways they did itand it was funny.
I got ahold of this reporterfor the Buffalo News and her
name was Ann Neville and AnnNeville would say well, steve
Trotter is not an authenticdaredevil, dave Munday, he went
over without padding, withoutoxygen, and just strapped
himself into the barrel and I'mlike it was funny because you

(52:39):
know, in life you think aboutsports and how they move closer
to authenticity.
Oh, that's a really greatplayer and that guy's not.
Because he doesn't do I neverwould have thought in barrel
riding over Niagara Falls, wewould get into authenticity.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, it's almost like.
It sounds like who can bestupider?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:01):
And Dave Munday was all about the boys.
For him it was a bondingexperience.
Steve was all about the promoand Steve was the guy who went
off of the Golden Gate Bridge ona swing and halfway through the
rope broke Him and another girlwent, or three people swung off
the Golden Gate and they didn'tplan it right.

(53:21):
The rope wasn't strong enoughand it broke and the girl broke
her back.
It was a famous story in like,anyways he was crazy.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
He's a Floridian.
He's a Floridian.
Where does he live now?

Speaker 2 (53:32):
I think he's passed.
I think he passed away.
He was in rough shape when Igot a hold of him and when I got
a hold of him I was worriedbecause he was going.
I'm going to go over again andI think it was because we were
talking to him.
And he wanted to use it as aspin and I'm like I'll do it, he
wanted more time yeah.
He'd gone over twice, he waslike I'm going to do it again.

(53:52):
I'm like no.
And when I talked to him andgot to know him I was like he
seemed a little raw.
He was like closer to 50, andhe lived a hard life.
I'm like not a good idea.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Don't do it, dave, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Dave, Steve don't do it.
Don't do it, don't go.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
That's funny.
Oh my god, we've talked aboutso much.
I've been wearing all these cuecards, but we didn't use them.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
That's all right.
I do want to play.
We did have fun, though, didn'twe?

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Well, I want to play a little game before we go and
also make sure you talk aboutlike plug your book a little bit
more.
I have a game for you.
It's called Very Good or VeryBad.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Oh, you did that.
Oh, I remember you doing thatwith Sharra, with Sharra, yeah,
I haven't brought the paddle outin a bit, but here's your
paddle.
Oh, I get to hold it, I get tohold it.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
We want to get to know you a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
This is awesome.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
All right, you're upbringing in Michigan.
You touched on it.
Was it very good or was it verybad?

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Oh, it was very good, very good.
I grew up in the country.
I was a country boy and myparents wouldn't.
There was no video games oranything.
They'd just say go out and play, and I would just go in the
woods.
And the reason I've done so manyadventures and stuff is my mom
would literally be like go outand play and my dad was a
Vietnam vet and he had all thisold military clothing, so I'd

(55:09):
throw on the old camo and hisold boots and I would just go
out in the woods for hours.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
And it was one of those like don't come back till
it's dark, don't?

Speaker 2 (55:18):
come back till dinner .
My mom literally had a dinnerbell.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
I have one, I have like three of them.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
It was a big triangle and we'd be out in the woods.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
You'd hear it, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
I was a country boy.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Very good.
What do you have to say aboutHollywood Hollyweird?

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Very good, very bad, oh, that's tough.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
I know that's a.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
I don't I.
Tell us a very bad and tell usa very good about Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Well, maybe I'll start with the bad and then end
with the good, but the bad sideof Hollywood was what I had gosh
.
I don't know if I want to talkabout that story.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
It's in my book.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
And it's such an intense story but I had.
So I worked on, I got my start.
I was really lucky.
I got my start working on filmswith Brooke Shields, jennifer
Lopez, will Smith and I did allthese things.
I have this great story aboutJennifer Lopez.
Literally, we were doing aL'Oreal commercial and I was a

(56:25):
PA.
I was a favorite PA on set andshe came out.
Well, they said, barry, whydon't you hold this heater?
I had this big heater for her.
She was literally going to getin the water naked, with just
bottoms, no top.
They built this huge pool,infinity pool.
She was going to kind of pushup into the camera, like you
know, those commercials and thelimited crew, just the DP and

(56:49):
the director and I don't knowwhy they picked me, this young
PA at 25, to hold this heater.
But, dude, when she came out,she came out in a robe and it
was just us and my eyes musthave been like this big and she
looked over and she's like himout.
Literally, I got kicked out, Igot kicked out.
So maybe that's the best Barrybad story that I should tell.

(57:11):
It gets darker, it gets darker.
There's a dark side ofHollywood that I experienced
Really dark.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Did you see the darkness?

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I mean, I was on an all gay crew and I was the hot
chick in a law firm, basicallyand look, this isn't me making a
statement but I'm not gay and Iwas just there to work and the
sexual harassment that Iexperienced was beyond

(57:38):
inappropriate and it ultimatelyended in me leaving Hollywood
for a while because I had a real.
I had a really.
I was in Tennessee.
I was in Nashville, Tennessee,and I had a producer.
I never exposed his name oranything, but I had a producer

(58:00):
kind of put me in a compromisingsituation.
He invited me to go to a party.
The director's going to be herethe night before.
I had gone out with Wanona, Juddand you know the Judd sisters,
Wanona, Naomi, and we werehanging out.
I got this great photo.
We were hanging out in a barand they had us up there and I
remember I sat next to Wanona.
They moved the manager and theyput me right next to her and

(58:22):
Wanona goes.
I didn't know you were going tobe here, honey, and this is
another one of my favoritestories and I go, she goes.
If I were only 23 again, and Isaid why you got to be 23?
And she goes.
Well, I did just get divorcedand I am feeling a little
loosey-goosey.
And at the same time shereached over and touched me on
the knee and I was I want to saythis appropriately, but maybe

(58:49):
she wasn't the most attractivewoman for me.
OK, ok, let's just say this andI kind of froze up and I loved
her as a person but I wasn'treally into that situation and
she was so cool, she leaned intome and she goes.
Don't worry, honey, mama wouldkill me in the morning.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Dude, I love her, I love her, anyways.
But then the night before, thenight after, I got invited to a
party and just wasn't a party.
I got in a hotel room withsomeone I didn't want to be in a
hotel room with, and it justthese are so many stories.
You hear that women tell yeah,well, that's the thing, and

(59:31):
that's why it's in my book,because what's the Me Too
movement?

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Yeah, the Me Too.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
The Me Too movement isn't only one-sided, Because,
like I literally, you know, heserved me a drink.
I just remember like fallingasleep, not being able to stay
awake.
I remember him leaving the roomand coming back and trying to
give me a back rub.
And I'm a big man and I'm avery big man and I wasn't

(59:57):
completely asleep, but Iremember just trying to push him
away, but to this day I don'tknow why I couldn't come out of
it.
And then I just I woke up.
I was fully clothed, on theside of my bed, on the side of
the bed the next morning, but Ijust remember falling asleep and
never, and I just like it wasjust so horrible, oh yeah.

(01:00:18):
I'm not saying anything happened, but it was a really odd, weird
night and that.
I never wanted to experienceagain, and at that point I was a
PA, I was vulnerable and I wasjust like this isn't, and so for
a while I left the industryaltogether.
I got out and I went intoeducation and left the industry.
And then I came back Like PTSD.
Oh no, that was completelydemoralizing.

(01:00:42):
I was like, on this trajectoryI was meeting Jennifer
Love-Hewitt you rememberLove-Hewitt.
You know, I had all.
I was on this trajectory and Iwas just like growing in the
industry and I had thisexperience and I'm like this is
too dark.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Have you seen the Morning Show?
I think it's on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Yes, I have with Jen Anderson there's so much to that
, yeah, no there's the dark side, like when people all these
conspiracies about the industrydude.
I just had a buddy call me lastnight who's living out there.
There is a dark side of theindustry.
That cannot be denied.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Yeah, yeah, in any industry, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Speaking Italian.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah, you're very good.
You're very good.
Parli bene italiano.
I would say, I'm conversational.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Good, what about Spanish?

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I'm gonna speak Spanish.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
That's probably about it A little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I can have a conversation in Italian.
Like I can, we could open up,that's good.
I can't, but I can order foodin Spanish.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Good, okay, got it.
What about Melbourne Florida?
Is it very good or very good?

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Very good, I love it here.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
What about it's like laid back lifestyle?
Can I just plug?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
O'Galley, which I love.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Yeah, you get it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Even more than Melbourne.
I love O'Galley.
Yeah, you get it.
That's from my offices, really.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I just want to prop those.
Where are you at?

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I am on Highland.
Yeah, I'm on Highland.
Yeah, Cool, I'm just in theGinter building.
Ginter building, the oldbuilding that has the back half
cut off because the old traintracks used to run there.
Get out of town.
Yeah, and there's a hole in theground that the guy who owns it
now is filling in, but that'sthe last of the trench where the
train tracks used to run.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Cool and I think I've ever.
Do you have a sign up?

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
I do, it's a little one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
I'm always at Derek Gore's gallery.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Oh yeah, I know Gore how far is that.
He's just a little bit furtherdown the street, away from the
center of town north, it's off.
Grumpies, yeah yeah, Grumpies,Grumpies, biscuits.
Give those guys a prop.
Well, listen, if you'relistening in the local area,
give a prop to Grumpies.
And then also they have Cubanbarbecue back there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
So Frank is the owner of the building in real estate
direct and so he's bringing inand trying to create a little
food corner over there.
So come, get some food and sayhi.
I like that.
Should I say say hi?
I don't know, I could haverandom people.
Like, oh, I just have a smalloffice with a desk.
That's it, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
It's not that exciting Welcome to say hi, I
want to see it, you can, Anyoneelse?
It's by appointment only.
By appointment only people.
Michael Moore.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Very good, very good.
Yeah, it's funny you mentionedhim.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
I worked on two of his films.
Oh which ones Sikko andCapitalism.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Okay, so here's my thing with Michael Moore.
I have a little bone to pick.
Can I pick it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
up yeah, pick it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
I was a huge fan of Michael Moore Fahrenheit 9-11,
Roger and me and I watched hisstory and how he made it in the
industry and I've learned a lotof tips from him.
My only thing with MichaelMoore, as I've gotten older and
more aware, is he was a bit of apropagandist, yeah, and so and

(01:03:45):
that's, but in a I don't know, Iliked it.
Yeah, entertaining.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yeah, entertaining exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
But for the uneducated audience, like I look
at it, like I had some naiveteso I'm like, oh, that's all true
.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Uh-huh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
And for the, my criticism is that is probably
more that the audience should beaware of that, that it's
one-sided, yeah, but audiencesaren't very it's hard to you
know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
I guess you're right.
They should be more aware ofthat.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I mean, roger, I like to kind of, you know, rip on
the man.
Yeah, and so Roger and me.
I was all about that.
Fahrenheit 9-11 made sensebecause I saw that whole the
Bush era.
That was just such a crock.
But I look back on that and Igo well, there were two sides of
the story and probably I didn'treally fully understand the

(01:04:38):
whole picture.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
There's always two sides, but I do like the way he
tells his stories.
They're fun.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
I'm with you.
I wish I could do more, alittle bit better like that, I
know right he makes it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
I don't know something to aspire to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
He was killing it for a while there and he started as
a journalist in San Francisco.
He's got an interesting story.
I met one of his producers wholives in Rochester, michigan
actually where I was livingbefore and got to chat with him
a little bit about Michael.
He's just an interesting dude.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
He really is.
I'll do one more.
Barry Manilow oh, barryManilow's very good.
Since you share a name, I'vedone all.
Barry good, yeah, good for you,Barry, doesn't he do?

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
let's do a Manilow song.
What's a song?

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Lugine.
What's that one about his dog?

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
I don't know the one about his dog.
I like this.
This is like a tough channel.
I'm drawing a blank, but it'slike what's this diamond, what's
that?
Oh, that's Neil Diamond Barry.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Manilow, we're mixing .
I don't know.
I thought maybe you should,because people have the same
name.
You either hate them and youhate when people bring up Barry
Manilow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Oh, I love it when people bring up.
You know, what I love even moreis when and I want to say this
appropriately, but AfricanAmerican or black culture calls
me Barry White.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Oh yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
And then we have something in common, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I'm like yeah, baby, all right, barry, thank you for
playing.
Yeah, I'm gonna gift you.
We got new T-shirts in Wait aminute.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Only local celebrities that come on our
show get the pleasure.
Oh my gosh, this is cool.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
You know, I love your show oh thank you so much by
the way this place.
I think you guys are ontosomething.
This place is full of, like,hidden gems.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I think so too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Yeah, if we could all this place is full of hidden
gems you guys need.
If you hidden gems out there,hit these guys out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
I'm glad you hit us up because, yeah, I'll have to
send you some of those namesthat I mentioned.
Yeah, can you mention them on?

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Yeah so the hidden gems that I personally love.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Yeah, please nominate some.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Okay, well, I would start at.
I should have written them down.
I have them on my phone, but Iwould start with did you write
them?

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
down, I did, julia Pizic.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Okay, julia is I connected with her.
She's a fascinating person, newto the area, and she worked on
the Barat series and did, inparticular, work directly with
the Rudy G remember the wholeRudy Giuliani scene, the Rudy
Giuliani scene where he'sdripping like his hair dye or
whatever, and she wasfascinating.
She worked on that and she'skind of an interesting cat.

(01:07:09):
I even asked her.
I said, hey, do you mind if Itell these guys about you?
I'll give her your name.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Yeah, yeah, tell her, cause that's a good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
So she's cool.
Who was the young girl that Iwrote?

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
down Ella Grace Hilton.
She acted with Adam Sandler andI even saw her last week.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
She lives here, she lives here and she's she's a
satellite talent.
So this is we live in this agewhere you don't have to live in
the major If you build thenetwork, yeah, especially after
the pandemic, yeah you have togo there and build the network
and you have to show up yeah,and then you can.
That can be hard, but you canlive anywhere, and so she lives
here and her mom lives here Hermom's super cool.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Does she do any local theater or is she just doing
big things?

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
She, she did, she was in the, she was in the
Melbourne Film Festival.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Yeah, I wanted to talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
She had a little film , a student film or something?

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
I saw you were there too.
Did you do something for that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
The Artemis piece.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Oh, okay, I was there too.
Like we must have crossed pathsthat night, yeah they just
started doing documentaries andI love that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
And they, so we.
I was in the documentary block,which is cool.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Yeah, really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
But she's, yeah, she was with Adam Sandler and she's
such a cute, awesome little girl.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
You gotta get her and her mom in here.
I want a kid to come in here orhave like a kid's tape, like I
mean kids say that during thebig break.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
She presents herself so well.
She's so cool.
You gotta get her An eloquentkid.
Yeah, she's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Good, what about Jamie Engel he's a writer for
film.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Oh, I'm so sorry, Jamie.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Missgendered Cancel me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
I got to know her.
She's with Brevard Film andTalent.
So I think they changed theirname because Brevard, the
acronym for Brevard Film andTalent, is BFAT and everyone's
like why don't we not callourselves BFAT anymore?
So they changed.
But there's they comboed upwith I think it's women in women
in film and women in film andsomething with with.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
It's a, it's a club here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Women of film and talent or something like that.
Well, that club is a state.
Bfat is a local club women infilm and I'm getting the acronym
wrong.
Anyone hit them up on the chatand correct me.
They're comm comboed up andthey have a group here.
So if you want to get involvedlocally, hit up BFAT and hit up
the women in.
I'm totally screwing this up.

(01:09:26):
I should look it up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Let me look this up, so so we don't screw this up,
cause I want to give these guysprops.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
It's a, I had no idea there was a community here.
I mean, I guess we're all justwell hidden.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yeah, no, and that's why I'm saying I think you guys
are onto something and it shouldbe.
It's called women in film andtelevision.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
And they.
They're a great network,they're film, they're with film
Florida and they're all over.
But they have a Melbourne groupthat's connected with BFAT,
which they're going to kill mefor calling at them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
I think it's kind of funny.
It's kind of funny, it's kindof funny.
It fits perfectly.
It's unforgettable, right, yeah, they should yeah.
And then, last but not least,jim Lewis and Bill Williams, you
mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
So these guys are respectfully quirky old dudes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
I love quirky old dudes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
That are old, classic ENG kind of shooters in the
industry and they've beenworking with NASA since the
shuttle era and they've beenhere for a long time.
Bill has a studio, a studio upin Cape Canaveral CCI, and Bill
I mean Bill Jim has a studio inCape Canaveral called CCI and

(01:10:38):
Bill Williams has a cut above.
But I think those guys would befun to just get on as a pair
and get them jamming and becausethey get along with their
competitors, but they're thegood 80s style competitors.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Like.
They're not like when you couldstill be chummy yeah they're
like it's all good.
Yeah, it's all good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
You know, I don't know.
Healthy competition, healthycompetition.
We don't have to go deep onevery topic.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
I was thinking about my brand.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
I'm like my brand is deep.
I was like Sharke.
It's brand is all good and upand up and I was like mine's
kind of deep.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Well, I mean, I know we've run out of time, but I'd
love to have you back on Neverenough time, never enough time.
I gotta map out like two hoursfor you.
Come back and tell us aboutyour current doc that you're
working on and when your bookcomes out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
That's good, because we can hold up for all that,
because that's coming out nextyear really.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
What time?

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Well, the doc were still working progress, but I
have a writer working on thefinal.
He had to do a little bit ofrerouting graphics guy and we're
getting into festivals nextyear.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
And then I just jumped on with a publisher and
we're starting to work ongetting an editor on my book and
getting that out either by theend of 24 or early 25.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Fun.
Well, we'll have to have you onbefore then.
Yeah, I'll hit you up.
So I'll hit you up next year.
It was such a pleasure meetingyou.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
I wish you had more time.
This was awesome.
You guys are awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
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Hit us up on the socials Untilnext time.
Bye.