March 10, 2024 • 52 mins
As a child, Jamie Engel devoured Shel Silverstein's poetry and reveled in the adventures of Mary Poppins, her imagination a garden where stories grew wild and untamed. Now an accomplished screenwriter, novelist, and producer, Jamie joins us to share her evolution from fan fiction aficionado to master of the dramatic cliffhanger. Her journey is one of unexpected twists, including an impromptu dance with romance genres and the creation of 'Just Jake', a project that pirouetted from screenplay to novel with the grace of a seasoned storyteller. Strap in for a ride through the vibrant corridors of Jamie's mind, where the supernatural becomes the norm, and each page turned is a step deeper into her enthralling world.
If you’ve ever wondered what it’s like to transition from the quiet introspection of novel writing to the collaborative cacophony of filmmaking, Jamie's tale lights the way. We'll explore the nuances of breathing life into a screenplay and the thrill of seeing it reborn as a full-bodied novel, with Jamie’s perspective as the guiding star. The conversation whirls from her self-publishing hustle to Broadway dreams of bringing a "Back to the Future" musical into the future, and the glitzy aspirations of Hollywood. You'll walk away from this episode with the infectious desire to chase your own dreams, whether they lie on the streets of New York City or within the flickering lights of a silver screen.
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And that did it.
Yeah, that did it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I got intro to a teacher group a few weeks ago
and she's like I printed outyour bio but I don't know what I
did with it, so I'm just goingto make up stuff and then you
just roll with it and I'm likeawesome, no, it's great.
So she's like so I'd like tointroduce Jamie Engel.
She's a local writer, she'salso an astronaut and she just
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kept going and then she started,she broke, she started laughing
and she's like I'm kidding.
Yeah, but one person did askwhen the questions started.
They're like so what is it like?
How did you juggle writing andastronauting?
Well it was great.
(01:17):
I feel like I want that introevery time, like, yeah, make it
up and we'll just roll with itand see what happens.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Just pretend you pretend you're a storyteller.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's all fiction.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
All right.
Are we rolling?
All right, we have Jamie Engelwith us.
Welcome.
Jamie is a screenwriter, anovelist and a producer.
The first question I have andit's the reason why this show is
here Did you grow up here?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I did.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You did grow up here.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I've been here since second grade.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Okay, and so how did you fall into this beautiful
world of writing?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh, that's a great question.
I started writing when I waslike probably seven or eight
years old.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I fell into shell.
Silverstein poetry.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh, I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Copycat.
So like I just did what he didand I made up poems about foods
I ate that I hate, you know, andkind of copied his style and
actually my grandparents hadgotten me Alice in Wonderland
and I remember reading the bookand then like there was this
moment where I fell into thestory.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Literally Alice.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yes, exactly, and it was so deep that I remember
gasping.
And then I was back in mybedroom and I was like, oh my
God, I want to do that for otherpeople.
That was so cool and that kindof started the bug.
And then I went into the reallybad poetry and I did a lot of
fan fiction.
I like to say I invented itbecause I took Murray Poppins
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and Jane and Michael onadventures.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Oh, really.
So you would take charactersthat were already created and
make a new Make up stories, ohwow, and I think what that?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
what it did for me is it was a lot easier to take one
aspect of a story at a time, soI knew the characters very well
.
But I could, you know, take thecharacters and then write a
fantasy and work on, you know,the adventure part, the actual
story.
How did you know to do that?
I don't know.
I mean, I did a lot of thingsjust like innate.
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Yeah like that, my grandfather.
He used to tell me Hulk stories.
I would sit on this lap, my momtells me.
I barely remember.
But she said I'd sit on thislap and he'd make up these Hulk
stories about the orange Hulkand the yellow Hulk and the
purple Hulk.
And I just sit there like wideeyed and he'd finish and I'd say
tell me another one, pop up,tell me another one.
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And I think that was teachingme like, like the pacing of a
story and where people lean in,and why?
Because I would lean in youknow and you noticed that.
Well, looking back, yeah, notthen, but looking back at all
the things I did, I was likeokay, that that really makes
sense, that that was teaching me, you know, like where to do the
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cliffhanger you know likethings like that, that I just I
just do.
I don't think about it, I'mjust like you know.
I write it and I hear oh my God.
I just know.
That's where the chapter break.
Right, or that's where thesuper interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
What school did you go to?
Did you have any influencethere?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
No, I mean, I went to UCF I for English.
I was going to be a novelist.
That was the goal.
I was like, how did you feel tobe the first time around?
And I had a teacher tell methat I was a romance writer and
I was like how dare you, I wasso mad.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Why do you think she?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
felt that way Because I am, I mean, I just I mean I
write fantasy and horror, but Ialways have that like that
relational redemption storylineunderneath it.
You know and that, just thatmoving moment in the story.
So it is very driven by aromantic element whether it's a
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father, daughter or husband,wife, boyfriend, girlfriend,
like just that, that romance ofrelationship.
I have that built into mystorytelling.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Super cool, oh, but, but you didn't like that.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
No, I was very mad at her.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And what did you see yourself as?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Like Stephen King's prodigy, you know, obviously
like horror and fantasy and likemagical realism, and that's
mostly what I do, right?
But okay.
So just Jake is my first movieand it's a rom-com.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It is a rom-com.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The first book I have traditionally published is a
rom-com.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Wow, so she was right .
Yeah, that's good.
So let's talk about just Jake,because that's turning into a
movie Done, done.
Yeah that's all done, can you?
Hold up the book.
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, did thebook come first or did the
screenplay come first?
The screenplay?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
came first.
I like to do things the wrongway and make up rules.
I wrote the script and it gotpicked up, and when we were
contracting I asked if I couldretain the book rights to
exploit on my own, and then wewould work out a deal.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Because I knew they weren't going to publish a novel
.
They're filmmakers.
That wasn't in there.
Right, and I knew they werealso going to change the script,
because it's a collaborativeprocess and it's going from you
know words to pictures.
So I knew if I retained thebook rights I could always tell
the exact story I wanted to tell.
Yeah, and then I had to haveanother product to sell to
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another audience.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
How did you hook up with the filmmaking industry?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Ironically, I was working at the Space Coast
Association of Realtors, runningthe social media and doing the
website for new realtors.
We had a new realtor day everymonth and I was teaching the
website portion and I laughedand this gentleman followed me
out and he said I'm a newrealtor.
Could you help me with thewebsite?
I'm a little confused.
I just moved here from LA.
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I've been in the film industryfor 30 years but I felt God
leading me to build affordablehousing in Cocoa Florida.
Yeah, that's quite a request andI said I know and I said, oh
well, I have.
I'm an author and I've alwayswanted to write movies.
And he said, oh well, let meconnect you with my bestie.
He's an entertainment attorneyin LA who happened to work on
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Sin City and the Kill BillVolumes and the recent Apple TV
show, the Banker.
He's definitely a legitimateattorney and I was like what is
happening?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, what is happening?
Because growing up here wedon't get that.
We did it.
When, I think, we grew up here,there wasn't a lot.
You were either going to be adoctor, a nurse or a teacher.
So to have those opportunitiesis like wow.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It was crazy.
It's like a typical Hollywoodstory.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It totally is.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I met a guy who knew a guy and then you made a movie.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
How crazy is that?
And it was just likehappenstance, because real
estate, I mean, you weren'tthere to write or sell your
product, it was just, I'mpivoting, I'm doing something
different, but during that timeyou had already been a novelist.
Ok, and how was it going fromwriting books to writing a
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screenplay?
Because it's a completelydifferent wheelhouse.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It totally is.
I mean, it's the samestorytelling craft but it's
delivered in a completelydifferent way.
So I mean, basically I had noidea what I was doing.
In December he reached out tome, the attorney, and he said
hey, do you have any rom-coms?
Think Hallmark, strong FemaleLead.
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And I had never written a moviein my life.
I write about supernaturaldemons, monsters, magic.
So I told him yeah, let me justsee what I have, because I'm
not going to say no.
Exactly Google.
And I called a friend in LA whoI knew wrote rom-coms and they
said I don't know what to do.
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And he said oh well, theHallmark execs are teaching a
class this weekend on Zoomthrough a school called Story
Summit, and I have a coupon code.
You should totally go and I'mlike OK, yes, please.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Oh, my god so.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I went and I took the class.
It was between Christmas andNew Year's.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Perfect time.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, right, and I wrote two screenplays in January
.
Wow Sent them both to theproducer and mid-February they
said we want this one.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Holy cow.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And it took a year and a half to get the contract.
But I mean that was a year anda half for the contract.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
What, why, why did it take so long?
You're like that's my question.
Everything takes so longBecause you guys are just
negotiating back and forth.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
There's negotiating, there's timing, there's the film
credits.
So you have to do a lot ofducks in a row to get the state
to give the funding back and theinvestors to see that they've
got this amount dropped already.
So there's a lot of that.
That goes on.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I mean obviously the stuff that you think of on your
own, like location scouting andcasting.
That obviously takes some timetoo, but there's a lot of that.
And then they were also inproduction on other movies that
they were wrapping on andediting and marketing and all of
that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And the whole time where you like this is going to
fall through, or were youconfident?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yes, and three rou��, larger than three, because I
didn't know who these peoplewere and if they were real.
So I, like I Googles, I went tothe California like Sunbiz in
California, to find theircorporate name.
I found like an investment firm, I found one of the names.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So I mean I was like yeah, I was on a mission and I
did find everybody and it allworked out it was all good oh my
God, crazy, and so, but beforethat you were writing books.
How lucrative is that?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I mean in children's books.
It's a lot of hustle becauseyou're either with Scholastic
and in the school system andgetting recommended for the AR,
like the accelerated readerprogram where the kids get
points for reading, or you're inthe Scholastic Book Fair or
you're in the library system.
So as an indie author it'sharder to get into those places.
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So there's a lot of hustle.
So I, you know, did a lot ofdoor knocking at schools and
school visits and, you know,talking to kids about social
issues and writing and bullying.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So are you still self publishing, are you self?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
publishing I am still self published.
Except for the just Jake novelI went with a publisher.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh, okay, that's great Cool.
You've won multiple awards andyou say it's stories with a
magic touch.
Tell me about that.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I guess it's twinkle.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, you know, I want my brand to be cohesive and
if I'm writing about demons andromcoms for hallmark, then
there has to be somethingcohesive, and so I think there's
magic in love, there's magic insupernatural, there's magic and
magical realism, there's magicin historical fiction.
You know, magic can be definedin multiple ways, so for now
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that's the brand that kind ofencompasses the magic most of my
projects, because that can beboth.
Yeah, it sort of can go backand forth in all of those
different projects.
Ok.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Tell me why the demons Tell me more about that.
How did that come about?
Because you said you didn'twant to be known as a romance
novelist, but so there's thisother side of you.
Tell me about that.
How did you get into that?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I really like supernatural stories.
I think it's just really fun toreinvent what could be going on
that we can't see.
So it just fascinates me Angelsand demons and werewolves and
vampires and all of thosegoolies and ghosties.
They're just interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
They're totally interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, and there's just a lot of really cool lore
out there in different cultures.
There is yeah, so it's just funto mess with it and just see
what you can come up with.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
That's super interesting.
I was listening to anotherpodcast that she was like a
historian, a religious historian, who looked at all these texts
about angels and stuff and thenshe sort of somebody invited her
to a UFO convention and then itclicked for her.
They're talking about the samething.
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That's awesome.
Have you ever thought aboutthat?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Not that particularly , but I mean, yeah, I do see
parallels in things that I justfind interesting and who's to
say, no one will ever know untilthe end when we get to ask
questions to somebody.
It's fun to speculate, like theMarshall Law series is about a
demon cowboy.
That's what I thought he is.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
The demon cowboy.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, he's a fallen angel, he's vengeance.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But he's your hero.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
He's my hero.
Yeah, he's like an anti-hero,like a venom character, but so
he's read in the scripture thatGod said vengeance is mine and
he's the angel of vengeance.
So he takes it personally andhe thinks that with enough good
deeds he can earn his way backinto God's good graces.
So he is being tasked to leadthe end time witnesses through
Dante's Inferno, through thenine circles of hell to witness
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all of man's sins, so that theycan come back to earth and kind
of proclaim y'all are messed upand you're going to be in
trouble, and so that's his thing, wow.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Wow, that's so interesting.
Yeah, like side by side withthe just shake Sure and just
Jake, there's a cowboy on thecover, yeah, ok.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Purely coincidental.
What do you mean, demon cowboy?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Oh right, romantic cowboy, cowboy, cowboy, good
cowboy and a bad cowboy Maybeit's not.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Maybe it's subliminal , because I always tell my
husband that if I could pickwhere I was supposed to be alive
, it would be like the 1880s.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Really.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
The old West yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Why does that draw you no idea?
I just feel like Maybe a pastlife or something.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Maybe, and I think like I wish I could go back with
the knowledge I have now,because I would be like the
biggest, baddest bank robber inthe old West oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
And maybe you were.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Maybe I was.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
That's really interesting.
So do all your novels have likea religious undertone?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
A lot of them do.
It's not preachy, there's nopreaching, but I do have a
strong faith and it does workits way into my art, but in a
way that most people have noclue.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
OK, yeah, yeah, ok, that's good.
I do both sides.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I play all the angles and try to keep it true.
Like one of my series.
Dreadlands is Norse mythology,vikings, werewolves, and the
lead boy is questioning theirgods and he's saying maybe
there's one god and that washistorically accurate.
So I just kind of play withthat and that's it.
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There's like one conversation.
It's not anywhere else in thestory, but it's just one little
conversation, so do you alwaysgo back to lore and mythology?
Yeah, it's my favorite.
If I could just live in like amagical realism, historical
mythology writing world and thatwas all I ever wrote, I would
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be very content.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Interesting, and so when you're thinking about your
next book, is it an idea thatpops in your head, or do you
have things lined up that I wantto do this?
I want to explore this.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, it's both.
I mean, a lot of times I haveideas of what I'll work on next,
and then I might have an ideathat kind of infiltrates and
takes over, and then so I haveto decide am I going to do this
book or am I going to write thismovie, or am I going to outline
this new idea and balancingthat.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Are you continuing to write movies now, then, now
that your foot is in the door?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, I have a couple that are optioned in shopping
agreements.
Martial Law is actually one ofthem.
It's a.
It's currently in a TV showformat, but it's being optioned
for development into a featurefilm with the producer of
Stephen King's Thinner and theStand and the producer of Creep
Show.
Very nice, yeah.
So that one like lots offingers crossed.
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And then I have a couple otherTV shows and movies that are
optioned.
Are they animated?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
or real?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
One of them is animated.
We haven't gone out with thatone yet.
That one I just finished thescript, got my notes back from
the executive producer, so thisis my week to make all those
changes, but that one is.
She's a monster producer.
She's worked on tons of huge IPlike SpongeBob and Ren and
Stimby.
Oh nice, she knows what she'sdoing, yeah yeah, she's a pro
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and she's very connected andwe've just worked so well
together and just hit it off.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
That's wonderful.
Yeah, she's amazing.
Sometimes those executiveproducer notes can really kill
you.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, for sure, and you have to make a decision.
Is this worth losing the dealover?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, how important is it?
Most of the time it's not right.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I mean, you ask, everyone has their own opinion.
For me, I just feel like ifit's going to get the deal
closed and get onto, the nextproject and give me some credit
and some cash, then why would Isay no?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Right.
Right because you're astoryteller and you can pivot
right.
Interesting.
You've written 15 books andthey're all in this genre the
magic.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, mostly the magical realism, historical
fantasy, just that kind ofmashup, and is it for kids, for
teens, for young adults?
Yes yes.
I mean, I think my audience isgeneralized to like fifth and
sixth grade or fifth to eighthgrade.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
That's my sweet spot.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But it's also for adults who like those books,
like I, basically only readmiddle grade books or books by
authors.
I know, yeah, what do you read.
Yeah, like I can't think of asingle book right now.
But you can go to my Goodreads.
I post everything I'm readingand every day I update the page
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of the book that I read.
Like I read 3% today and thisis my thoughts on it so I just
like to.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You'd be like a wonderful host for a book club
then.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I would love to do that you maybe should.
I even have some books, I can Iknow let's read my book this
week.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Is that wrong?
No, no, you're an expert in allthings storytelling.
You've been in nationwideconferences.
You go to schools and statelibraries Talk about that.
So when you are an author, youget speaking engagements, right.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, I mean you have to kind of go out and find them
.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You do.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
But now they're finding me, which is nice yeah
that's nice.
Yeah, I have a big one coming up.
Actually, I mean, by the timethis airs it'll be over A big
zoom through the Story Rocketgroup and they're amazing.
They have a platform where youcan upload your book synopsis
and your log line and parts ofyour story and your Dreamcast
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for the movie.
And if you have a script, youcan upload a few pages and they
make it all seamless.
So you can talk to a producerand say, here, go to this link,
and it has all my stuff, wow.
And you can just see it.
It's a really cool idea.
No one else is doing anythinglike it.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Wow, and do producers go to these things to find
people?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
like you they do.
The owner is a producer.
She's produced for a long timeand yeah, and she brings in
people and they reach out to her.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
And you're a producer too.
Tell me what are you producing.
Or is it because of Just Jake?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Right now, it's because of Just Jake, I'm on
that movie as a co-producer.
Yeah, it was great, very nice.
The idea was mine.
So, that plays into that.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Do you have any creative decision-making to do,
or are you just credited?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Just credited On that movie.
It was just credited.
And I think it was, because ifyou write the idea on spec and
they buy it, then it's yourmovie, versus like I'm working
on another movie where theyreached out to me with the idea
and they hired me to create it,so I wouldn't go on as a
producer in that regard.
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Yeah, because all I did waswrite their idea.
But I think when it's your idea, then you're, you're.
You brought the project to theteam.
Yeah, which is what producersdo.
I mean one of the thingsproducers do.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
As you know, yeah, so I.
They listed me on there as aco-producer, which was
wonderfully awesome.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, that is wonderfully awesome.
So do you want to keep doingthat?
Are you going to put novel intothe side, or you know?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I don't want to, but I already have like my next step
plans lined up.
I've already talked to a coupleof writers that I know, whose
work I love, and said hey, wouldyou be interested if I gave you
the synopsis, writing the book,and then I would come in and
edit it, like James Patterson,and then we would just split it.
And so I have a few writersthat are like, oh my gosh, I
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love that.
So that's incredible.
Yeah, or some of my movies,like some of my rom-coms that
have been optioned, I would liketo have books to go with them.
So I have a writer that I'mlike, if I gave you the script
and you had like free reign fromthere, like the script will be
like you know three quarters ofthe story and you need to fill
in all the thoughts and thebackstory and the history Would
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you be interested in?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
so I mean, there must be like because usually a
writer would be like this ismine, like there's ego involved,
which you clearly don't have.
You are just going down thispath.
That is like illuminatingitself along the way, and you're
just like, yeah, yeah, let's go.
Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I just love storytelling and I like helping
other people and if I cancombine that that's a win.
But I just want to get in thebusiness.
Like, I have a movie made on TVwhich is like incredibly insane
, right, but I'm not like onLoki writing, I'm not, you know,
getting calls from SpielbergLike these are the things I want
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.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Maybe someday.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Some mech is we're.
Yet I'd like to do back to thefuture, for, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, have the idea you do.
Yeah, he doesn't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I mean not that I know personally, but I mean
they're not doing anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
But yeah, they're doing the musical though, so
that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Back to the future musicals on Broadway, so that's
pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh my gosh, I wonder what that would be like.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
That's amazing, is it ?
Is it playing now?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, oh, you got to go up there and watch it.
Yeah, do you?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
ever go to New York?
No, I will.
My cousin lives up there and wewere just talking about it.
She's like you need to come upand see the two time Back to the
future musical and I'm like setit up.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah Well, you're like all Hollywood, now you
gotta get out.
You do Very cool.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I'm kind of.
I'm kind of afraid of airplanes.
So tell me about it this is myyear to face the airplane.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
The year of the opening door mid-flight.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, let's do it Because I'm telling you like
COVID, like COVID allowed me tosay, it's okay to be
ridiculously insane and fearful.
It's okay, yeah, everyone iseveryone.
We all did it.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, but it was also a year to be like I might not
have that much time left on thisearth.
Right, let me do everything Iever wanted to do In a mask.
In a mask or a scarf.
I bought a whole bunch ofscarves, exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, so like moving out of that has been hard
Getting like going out.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And not being like well, do we want to go or do we
just stay home?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
We'll just watch it on TV.
We don't have to go to thetheater.
You know, just getting out ofthat mindset has been very
difficult.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah Well, the drive up there isn't so bad either.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
But I mean statistically, yeah, that's the
worst option On a plane.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Do it the year.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
When was the last time you've been on a plane?
I?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
don't remember.
It was a few years ago, it wasbefore COVID.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay, long enough yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I think we went to Montana to go visit family.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, yeah, the last time I was on the on a plane,
the engine sparked and popped aswe were landing and I just like
froze and went comatose and myhusband's like come on, let's go
.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We're on the ground, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I'm like it almost felt like we died and like, yeah
, the, the parallel split, andwe're still living, but in the
other one we died.
Right, that was freaky.
Yeah, but you'll be fine, Iwill be.
Take a pill or something, takea lot, yeah.
So when you go to schools totalk to kids, what is that like?
(25:54):
Because I think I shared withyou when I was a kid in D
Atlantic Elementary, theybrought in with a storyteller
yeah, and it stuck with me, andnow being in television and
telling reality TV stories, likeI think about that and I think
about how it impacted me.
So you're doing that to otherkids though.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, it's awesome, I mean it's so.
It's so fun to go into a roomand you know kids are like yeah,
yeah, old people like you knowyou're going to see it and then
just start talking and lettingthem see that you know.
I get that, yeah, and then justsaying one or two things that
connect with them and then bythe time they leave, that they
(26:35):
just they take something withthem, you know.
Absolutely Some social issuethat they can handle a little
better.
You know, or or something aboutwriting.
I could talk to some writersgroups and those kids just feel
really excited when I read theirwork and go, hey, this is so
good If you, if you do somethinglike this here, then that'll
help you.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Oh cool Nuggets.
So you do.
She talked about like bullyingher or you have a social aspect
to it.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, a couple my Clifton Chase and the Arrow of
Light series.
There's two books in that.
It's about a boy from Melbourne.
He finds a magic arrow and timetravels Get out.
Yeah, he found it in WickhamPark, wow, so you're using
Melbourne as a backdrop.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, that's amazing, jamie, it's fun.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I love it.
That was my first series andyou know he goes to Dolora
Middle School where he's dealingwith a bully, and the princes
in in history that he goes tohelp were bullied by their uncle
.
And my son was bullied when Iwrote it.
So we homeschooled and didarchery club at Wickham Park,
which is where the whole storycame from.
So, yeah, so I built up apackage and then for years I've
(27:42):
gone to schools and talked tokids about bullying and empathy
and you know the power of theirwords and yeah being the voice
for somebody when maybe theycan't be, and yeah.
And so that's been like reallyrewarding.
And then I decided to try itagain with another story with
Metal Mouth.
She's a she's a teenager, shealso lives in Melbourne, and she
(28:02):
starts hearing a boy's voice inher head after she gets struck
by lightning.
Her braces are transmitting itand she doesn't know if he's
real or, and if he is, why didthe universe bring them together
?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So she's trying to figure that out and with that
one, because it's about voiceand like finding yourself,
finding your voice.
I just talked to kids aboutsocial media and how?
Like you know, you can't.
You can't rely on likes, youcan't look at your circle, you
can't look at the filters, youcan't compare.
Yeah, you have.
Like you know, we are built forthe opinions of maybe a hundred
(28:35):
people.
That's it, and that's like ourfar reaching scope.
It's really like three, like Ihave three close people.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
You know, maybe five handful.
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, everyone else it's like yes, and the the
opinions beyond that.
It's like I really don't care,and and and.
They're just like obsessed withit, and and they I can see it
on their face.
It's like I'm so glad someonetold me that.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Like it's like a release, yeah, yeah.
Yes, we were talking to thisabout.
We just had a guest, nila Lois,and she's a 17 year old girl.
She came in with her mom andshe said the same thing.
Like once they got the phone,it went downhill from there and
I mean, you have two sons, howhave you been navigating that?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well, I mean, I have boys, so boys are just built
different.
They totally I mean I'm allowedto say that in this day and age
but I am.
But from my experience with myfriends who have daughters and
my friends who have boys, boyshandle it differently and not to
say that some boys aren'toverly affected.
I might order.
some was bullied.
He's more sensitive, hedefinitely internalized things
(29:42):
more Right.
But my younger son, he's, he'sa football player.
Both of them, as are inAnderson, their football players
.
You know they.
They just take the social media.
Their problem is they postthings that they shouldn't Like,
things that we all did and said.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Well, we were there out there.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, and I'm like how are you ever going to be
president?
Like, come on, you got to thinkabout these things.
Get that off of your snapchat.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Is that where they're at these?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
days, snapchat and.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Tik Tok and you let them have their own handles and
everything.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I do.
I try to follow them, but thenthey like create.
You know they create fakeaccounts, apparently.
But my older son, who's 23.
He's friends with him, so he'llbe like hey, mom, yeah, so
that's wonderful.
I mean, that's not true, justkidding, just kidding, it
doesn't happen.
Never happened.
Now, I mean only if it's badstuff, you know, like if it's
really something I need to knowabout.
(30:35):
But yeah, I mean we, we talk toour kids about everything.
I think that's anotherdifference from our parents 15,
16 and 20, sorry, 16, 16 and 23.
We just had a 20.
No, we just had a birthday.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
That's still weird, as returned six 17 in May and
Anderson just turned 16 inFebruary.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So your pregnancy was short.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
No, no, no, he's my, he's my, my foe, son.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Oh OK, yes, he's my adopted love OK.
Makes more sense.
My unofficially unadoptedsecond third child Very nice,
okay, cool, and how isteenagehood going for them?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
They're having a blast.
They're really good kids.
They're crazy.
Sometimes they're a littleobnoxious and even borderline
vile.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
But they make me laugh.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Well, yeah, they do smell, but they're mouths Some
of the things.
I realized it's our fault, ourgeneration, because we were the
generation that required theexplicit language lyrics, but we
only had three bands that hadexplicit lyrics.
That was it Two.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Rive.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Crew.
That was it, and now weaccepted that as normal music.
So when they listen to stuff orwatch TikTok, and everyone's
language is awful, I'm just kindof like can you not say that
around me?
I don't want to hear it.
I don't want to hear it comingout of your beautiful lips those
(32:01):
foul words Do what you want.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
But you can't punish them for using language.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
It's the world that we live in and it's funny
because it doesn't bother us.
Like us Gen X parents as muchbecause we were the ones that
brought it into mainstream.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
But I think it's more of like you don't know what
your employer's going to be like.
You need to tone it down, toneit down and they need to button
up in certain occasions.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Right, yeah, I feel the same way.
I feel like it's more of adifferent kind of communication.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I feel like a little bit opposite.
My daughter, I have a pottymouth and she somehow just knows
not to use it.
Or maybe she sees me and she'slike what a weirdo.
I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, I have a little bit of a.
I wanted to make a t-shirt thatsays I love Jesus and F-bombs,
just so people know what they'regetting into.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right off thebat, that's so you, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Let's do that Sell those.
You were on a TV show as analien.
I was Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I was an alien on a show called Sea Quest in the 90s
when Orlando used to be veryactive for film and television
production, so I did a lot ofcommercials and television shows
and a lot of work out there.
I had an agent, brevard Talentgroup.
They're in Orlando now but theystill work with locals.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Okay, so like your dip into Hollywood isn't new.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
No, no, I got bit a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I just wasn't a very good actress.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
But you played an alien for several of the
episodes.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, and I was in like a full body suit and they
zipped up the back so like, didyou have lines?
No, I didn't say anything and Ididn't like.
I remember I couldn't like eator drink like the whole time
because it was such a pain tozip and unzip.
So I mean that it was a wreck.
Like when I got home.
I remember waking up in themiddle of the night, panicked
(33:59):
because my pillow was on my faceand I thought I was back in the
mass.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Like it was dramatic, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
But I did meet Jonathan.
Jonathan Landis is at his name.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I used to have a crush on him.
Everybody did yeah, he was socute.
Well, he hit on me.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
We were at the craft services table Get out of town.
I didn't know who he was, I wasjust hungry and I mean Jesse
knows me, I'm food focused andlike I'm sitting there trying to
eat and he's like hitting on meand I'm like bro.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Trying to eat.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, he was like the teen pop idol of everything.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah, he was like but now he's like acting in TV.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
No, no, I think he like, I think he passed a while
ago yeah.
Under bad circumstances.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
honestly, Like the, I was just watching something
like about the two quarries.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, that's a different podcast.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It is yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
But Jonathan is like the Leonardo DiCaprio, yeah,
yeah.
And then Leo.
And then Leo came around andstole our hearts, stole
everybody's heart.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Oh my gosh, but you're not acting anymore.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
No, I mean, I would like to.
It was.
It was recommended to me thatI'm not bad looking.
Yeah, beautiful, not badlooking.
So you should negotiate in yourfuture contracts a very small
speaking role you should totallydo that.
That's what I said.
I'm like that's a great ideaGood idea.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Thank you, I'll take that.
That's the theater, correct.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, my oldest son, lucas, works in Sarasota at the
Florida Theater Studio indowntown.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
He has his degree in theater and is minor in theater
management.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Wow, so you're taking it to the next generation.
Yes so is he in place?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, he is in place there and then he's always
auditioning because it's acontract, so it's going to
expire at some point.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Why Sarasota?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
That's just the theater that that picked him up.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
He's been in a bunch of places, even locally.
Well, he's worked at HannaGurie.
He's worked at Ty to Spill.
He's done both of those foryears throughout high school and
what kind of roles did they get?
Mostly he is in the um, um thesinging and acting and dancing
like background.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
He's got a chorus.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
That's not called a chorus, but I can't remember
what it's called right now.
But um, he's probably yellingat me listening to this like
mother this called the, and he'shad small speaking roles.
Um, he, he doesn't really careabout being the lead Like he who
wouldn't want to be but in thesame sense he's like.
You know, I just like being onstage.
It's a lot of lines, it's a lotof commitment.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
So he's understudying .
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Right now he's learning that.
Um, he's learning auditioning,because it's like a paid
internship, oh wow.
So they're teaching them all ofthose aspects of theater, not
just the.
You know.
Get on stage like you'vealready done before, right, so
he's enjoying it Very nice.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
It's a lot.
I mean, does he see himselfgoing up to Broadway someday?
I mean he was love.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
That Okay, but um, I don't know how that looks.
I don't know what that pathlooks like.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Oh, it's just put your clothes in a bag and go.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, it's got to be a really hard door to bust in.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
but no, but it's not, though, right.
I mean it is because we'reconditioned to think that way.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, maybe that's it .
Speaker 1 (37:15):
But if you, you know, if you would have never
followed your dreams if I wouldhave never packed my bags, I
wouldn't be here either.
I would be a nail tech down thestreet, which is I'd hire you
Totally.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I was the worst nail tech in the world.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Man, I actually did that.
I graduated high school and gotmy nail tech degree like at the
same time, and I used it incollege, but I always wanted
more you know and I just think,growing up here you weren't fed
that.
So I love meeting someone thatfound their way and is passing
(37:50):
it along to their kids.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Well, I mean, like you could do that here as a side
hustle, because this is reallyall you do with clients when
you're doing their nails.
It's just chit chat, just chitchatting.
So you could like add that Um,we'd like you'd like to do an
interview.
If you want to add $40, you canhave your nails.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
You can put it on live.
Oh my gosh, but I was aterrible nail tech.
I couldn't do it.
But it took me going to NewYork, cause back then you
couldn't get a peep out of meRight when I was actually doing
nail tech.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
So I think you have to go out into the world.
You know, get your hustle onyeah, he's, he's starting, he's
starting his hustle, and sowe'll see where it goes from
here.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
But you're saying, um , you don't, you used to go to
Orlando.
Do you think that it's sort offallen off a little bit?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, they left Orlando years ago.
We're working to get the filmincentives back, like the breaks
for the investors.
John Lux is the um executivedirector of film Florida and I'm
on the legislative committeewith that organization and, and
you know, just trying to get theall the legislators to see that
(38:54):
all of these other states aremaking money off these tax
breaks by bringing in these filmcompanies who are hiring um dry
cleaners and restaurants andhotels and they're they're
spending and catering.
They're spending all this moneyin the cities and states because
they get tax breaks and Floridadoesn't have that anymore.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
So why not?
What happened?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I have no idea.
So it used to be here.
Used to be here.
They were like literally movingLA to Florida like getting out
of LA, and then it was overweird.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Did that coincide with COVID, or no?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
no, this was like late nineties early 2000s at the
most.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Okay, yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yup, so we're, you know, I mean Atlanta has a
booming film industry.
North Carolina, I mean a lot ofplaces that film in Florida on
on their um scenes.
They're not shot in Florida.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I mean well, didn't Brad Pitt just come to down here
to to film?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yeah, I think, like in Tampa.
I think that's what I want tosay.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
No, we had gone there on a girls weekend, the that
either the day before he camefor something Whoops.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Where the heck did I go?
I was like I'm not playing thatwrong?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I can't think about it.
I know, right, Although like Idon't know.
After, after the Angelinascandal, like you're kind of a
creep, I guess.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Right, they still some eye candy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
And he did something to his face, where he looks
brand new.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, listen, why not ?
You gotta do what you gotta do,you can do his nails on the
podcast.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Done with that job, jamie.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Sorry, I really want my nails done.
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I'll treat you to a mani putty.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
We'll go get it done.
So you had said earlier aboutawards Awards.
And I think I can announce thisnow, because it's going to be
like out then.
But there is a podcast calledthe swing my heart podcast and
they are, like all hallmarkromance rom-coms, a good
hallmark movie.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
They capture you like none other.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yes, they're yes, so they.
That's what they do.
So they interview the stars,they interview the directors,
and I was a guest you know for,as the writer, and anyway, they
do an annual contest.
You know people's choice, andjust Jake won for best
non-hallmark, non-christmasmovie.
(41:21):
Oh, my goodness, because it'syou know most of the time it's a
hallmark Christmas movie.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Oh yeah, so you need a new category.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, yeah.
But there was a lot of othermovies that weren't Christmas,
weren't hallmark, and out of allthose movies we won, oh my gosh
, congratulations, and where canwe see your movie?
It's on up TV faith and familynetwork.
So if you go through likeAmazon and you type in just Jake
, like your Amazon Prime, it'lltake you to download this app.
(41:47):
Five day free trial usually.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
You know how they are .
Speaker 2 (41:52):
And it's a lot of like family friendly programming
, like sweet and comfortableprogram, not family friendly,
like let's watch Sesame Streettogether.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
No, no, no.
And then there's the old schoolhouse on the prairie and you
know the old school night, yeahFull house those kinds of shows.
I miss those.
They don't make those anymore.
Full house, fuller house, Iknow.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
But it wasn't the same.
Sorry guys, it was the same.
We appreciate it, I know.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I'm not without the Olsen twins.
Yeah, they're too good for us.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Well, on the younger sister, we gotta wear their
clothes now.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yes, and the younger sister of the Olsen toys blown
up?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, totally, but she'd blown up, she's awesome,
yeah, yeah, yeah, she's got thatOlsen.
Look to her.
You like to kick box?
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I do.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Where do you do that at?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
At Soft Beach Fitness I do their Les Mills classes.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
OK.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
So I kick box like three times a week.
They call it body combat.
Cool and then I do their.
They have like a mix of Zoom.
I'm not Zumba, sorry.
I do that too.
I do that three times a week.
They have a mix of like Tai Chi, pilates and yoga.
Oh yeah, I do that like threetimes a week too, and it's keep
(43:04):
you in shape, and can you kicksomeone's ass?
If there's music playing, Ialways say only attack Jamie if
there's music?
Yeah, I told my husband I go.
You know it's going to happen.
Is someone's going to like jumpme?
And I'm going to be like did it, did it, did it, did it, did it
, did it did, it did it, did it,did it, did it, did it, and
they're going to run becausethey're going to be like this
(43:25):
way.
Yeah, I messed with the wronglady.
That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
The plan, but what a good thing to have under your
belt.
And you also like to bake.
I do.
What do you bake?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I bake weird grain free treats.
How?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
do you do that.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Nobody in my house eats but me, and it's fabulous.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Do you sell them anywhere?
No, my mom says I should andI'm just not ready.
People want the grain free.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
They're delicious for me, like if you bite into an
Entomans chocolate cake donutstraight out of the freezer and
it melts in your mouth.
It has a little chemicalaftertaste and you're like this
is so good.
And then you bite into mychocolate donut.
You will spit it out If youjust bite into mine it'll be
fine, it's just like a chocolateEntomans donut.
(44:13):
That's the key.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
But it's almond flour .
I have all kinds of flowers.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I have a whole pantry .
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Who knew there was so many flowers out there.
I like the coconut flower.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I bought a cookbook and it breaks down all the
different flowers and what youshould use and when and why your
bread sucks because you'reusing the wrong flower.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
That is a whole other .
Wow, it's a whole thing.
It's a whole thing, but it'syour side passion.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, and I like left it the week of Christmas
cookies this year when my momcame over and we made the just
Jake cookies that are in thebook.
That's what I was going to askyou.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Do you put your baking knowledge into your books
?
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, the, just Jake, one has the.
There's a QR code in the backof the book that takes you to my
website and you can downloadthe cookie recipe.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
You can see all I could Jake made them.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
They're in the book.
Yeah, the mom, like it's.
Their family traditions arefamily traditions.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Of course it is.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yes, I put my great grandmother's cookie recipe in
there, oh my gosh.
And then we have behind thescene photos from the movie and
you can click a link to buy thetheme song that Rob Mays wrote,
who played Jake.
So there's all kinds of coolstuff you get when you buy the
book, but yeah, so this year wemade those cookies and I haven't
really stopped since, likebreaking, breaking the sugar in
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the flower thing.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Can you do cakes I?
Speaker 2 (45:35):
can do anything.
Oh, yeah, yeah, you can doanything.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
And I can do anything I want, I can eat anything, I'm
not allergic.
But I just find that like Ifeel different when I eat
regular flour, like yeah, Ithink it's straight.
The thoughts from the head tothe mouth don't come out as well
.
I'm sleepy or I don't sleep.
At night it's like, yeah, yeah,a lot of things I was such a
(46:01):
junkaholic like just junk foodall the time.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
My favorite treat was like McDonald's, like a
breakfast big breakfast and thenaround COVID time I was like
let me rethink just abouteverything in my life and I
stopped eating all that stuffand it just doesn't appetize me
anymore.
No, like even when you'retalking about the donut like oh,
(46:25):
I'd rather not, yeah, yeah.
So my daughter's always askingme to take her to McDonald's.
I'm like do you know what theyput?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
in the food.
Do you want to really go there?
Yeah, no, I won't take herthere.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
I'm the worst mom ever.
I don't have cereal in thehouse.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
I don't want to have cereal in the house, but I don't
take my kids to McDonald's ever.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
I tell her I'm like what, why would I want to poison
you?
I don't, yeah, I haven't eaten.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Nothing against McDonald's, everything against
McDonald's, but everythingagainst McDonald's.
I haven't eaten McDonald'ssince I was like 18 years old.
Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
But for the good, I feel good.
I feel good I feel good aboutit and then when you do actually
eat something in that realm,like we went to Chick-fil-A, the
other day and my stomach's likewhat the?
Speaker 2 (47:09):
fuck are you doing to me?
Yeah, it's not good.
Yeah, it's not good, it doesn'twork anymore Because you've got
different bugs in there now andthey're like we don't want that
.
We don't want that yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
So good, good good.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
What else?
Speaker 1 (47:20):
What else do we not know about you?
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Well, you know, I mean, I just celebrated a
birthday.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Oh, happy birthday oh how are you liking this age of
truth?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
You know, I don't know, I don't know anything
about it.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Oh, you're not into it.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
No, but I think it's appropriate that I'm an Aquarius
and I don't like the water, Idon't like the ocean.
I don't like it either Sharks.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah, it's too wet out there.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
I just feel like if God wanted me in the air or the
water, he'd have supplied mewith different things.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah, so no planes, no boats.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
You ever go on cruises?
I'm the dog sitter.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Oh OK.
Oh OK, now I know who to call.
Yeah, although I never leaveanyway, yeah, Do you have any
dogs?
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I have two dogs.
What?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
kind of dogs do you have.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I have a hound mix.
She's an old lady named Ahsoka.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Oh, where'd you get that name from?
From Star Wars?
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Oh, OK, yeah she has her own show now.
And then we just got a newpuppy.
She's a Boston Terrier and shewas Anderson's litter, one of
the puppies in his litter, mynew son Anderson.
Oh, and her name was Fart,because she was like two inches
(48:32):
and she looked like a turd, likea little turd.
And they would send me videosof Fart outside.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Not that she Farts.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
No, and she was the cutest thing I ever saw and
she's like white and she's gotlike brown spots and she looks
like a cow and I'm like that'sawful.
Her name is Little Mew and Imean I want to meet Little Mew.
I want her to come see me andthen as so, this is me they're
harassing me with these fartphotos.
And then Ezra goes to myhusband.
You know, mom really likes thisdog.
I think it might be a nice giftfor Christmas.
(49:01):
And they did it Not this pastChristmas, but the year before.
So he totally used both of usto get this dog in our lives.
But you wanted that dog, Ididn't.
I did not want anotherheartbeat in my house.
However, I would kick everybodyout for her.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
I will say it to the camera.
She is my favorite angle Watchout kids.
Oh they know, Watch your step.
We have a very unhealthyrelationship.
I'm not.
I mean, that's the healthiestguy.
I'm not.
I'm that lady now that I usedto make fun of with the little
dog.
Oh yeah, yeah, I am her.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
I don't know how Do you have a purse?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
No, no, any clothing, okay so you need to step it up,
Jamie.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Okay, you need some clothing for that dog.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Oh, yeah, yeah, she has like a puffer jacket.
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
You got to get them their own wardrobe, although
it's hot here in Florida.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
It is.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
My dog just celebrated her birthday
yesterday.
We just got her a bunch ofclothes.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to step it up.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Super cool.
Well, how can we find youonline?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Um, I am everywhere.
At Jamie Ingle rights on socialmedia Um.
My website is Jamie Inglecom.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I am most active on LinkedIn.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
And YouTube.
I am building my YouTubechannel.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
So I'm inviting everyone to come.
I post um on Tuesdays.
I try to do a nice long formvideo on Thursdays.
I try to do a throwbackThursday, like from the just
Jake film set.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Oh, wonderful.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Little video and every Friday I do my Friday wins
for the week dance.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Oh it's taken off.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
I've tried to stop.
I've gotten yelled at by peopleI don't know, so naturally I
will continue to do it.
Exactly.
Uh, it's my thing.
It inspires people.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
It's just, it's hard being a creative.
Yeah, it is a long journeybefore you see anything growing
from that seed you planted, andhalf the time it's half dead.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Look at you.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
So that is what I do I dance, and I point and I write
in words of all my wins for theweek to say hey listen.
This week I wrote every day.
This week I had a producermeeting this week.
I was on the space ghostpodcast.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
You know any tips for young budding writers or old
writers that just decided to doit?
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Um go to my YouTube channel because there's lots of
free videos, but um just write,just write and don't judge what
you're writing.
Yeah, I've heard it said byseveral people now, but don't
judge your beginning by someoneelse's middle.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yes, it's really easy to do that.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
It's really easy to read a book and be like I can
never write like that.
No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
You would five years, yeah, or you with an editor can
yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
But you can't, so just write what you can.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Okay, very good, and are you doing any workshops or
anything?
Do you do that?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Yes, I have tons.
I mean, like I said, I've gotone this weekend, but this will
be past tense by the time peopleare listening Right, but you've
got future ones, yeah, yeah.
If you go to my website, um,I'm always somewhere doing
something.
Um half of them are free, opento the public.
Um, so yeah, I just I posteverything where I'm going to be
very, very cool and veryinspiring.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Thank you for coming.
This was so awesome.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Thank you for having me Anytime Come back if you ever
need to promote something.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
I will, or if I need my nails done.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
I'll bring my kit next time.
Thank you so much, jamie.
Yeah, thank you for having me.
You too, yay.
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I always want to play that gamewith, like, the duo.
Like, will you know, do youknow your partner?
Well, Right, no, I wouldn'twant to play that game.
I'd be afraid I know you'd too.
(00:23):
It took me so long to memorizemy husband's phone number that I
had to actually print it on apillow.
And that did it.
Yeah, that did it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I got intro to a teacher group a few weeks ago
and she's like I printed outyour bio but I don't know what I
did with it, so I'm just goingto make up stuff and then you
just roll with it and I'm likeawesome, no, it's great.
So she's like so I'd like tointroduce Jamie Engel.
She's a local writer, she'salso an astronaut and she just
(00:57):
kept going and then she started,she broke, she started laughing
and she's like I'm kidding.
Yeah, but one person did askwhen the questions started.
They're like so what is it like?
How did you juggle writing andastronauting?
Well it was great.
(01:17):
I feel like I want that introevery time, like, yeah, make it
up and we'll just roll with itand see what happens.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Just pretend you pretend you're a storyteller.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's all fiction.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
All right.
Are we rolling?
All right, we have Jamie Engelwith us.
Welcome.
Jamie is a screenwriter, anovelist and a producer.
The first question I have andit's the reason why this show is
here Did you grow up here?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I did.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You did grow up here.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I've been here since second grade.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Okay, and so how did you fall into this beautiful
world of writing?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh, that's a great question.
I started writing when I waslike probably seven or eight
years old.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I fell into shell.
Silverstein poetry.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh, I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Copycat.
So like I just did what he didand I made up poems about foods
I ate that I hate, you know, andkind of copied his style and
actually my grandparents hadgotten me Alice in Wonderland
and I remember reading the bookand then like there was this
moment where I fell into thestory.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Literally Alice.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yes, exactly, and it was so deep that I remember
gasping.
And then I was back in mybedroom and I was like, oh my
God, I want to do that for otherpeople.
That was so cool and that kindof started the bug.
And then I went into the reallybad poetry and I did a lot of
fan fiction.
I like to say I invented itbecause I took Murray Poppins
(02:48):
and Jane and Michael onadventures.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Oh, really.
So you would take charactersthat were already created and
make a new Make up stories, ohwow, and I think what that?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
what it did for me is it was a lot easier to take one
aspect of a story at a time, soI knew the characters very well
.
But I could, you know, take thecharacters and then write a
fantasy and work on, you know,the adventure part, the actual
story.
How did you know to do that?
I don't know.
I mean, I did a lot of thingsjust like innate.
(03:20):
Yeah like that, my grandfather.
He used to tell me Hulk stories.
I would sit on this lap, my momtells me.
I barely remember.
But she said I'd sit on thislap and he'd make up these Hulk
stories about the orange Hulkand the yellow Hulk and the
purple Hulk.
And I just sit there like wideeyed and he'd finish and I'd say
tell me another one, pop up,tell me another one.
(03:40):
And I think that was teachingme like, like the pacing of a
story and where people lean in,and why?
Because I would lean in youknow and you noticed that.
Well, looking back, yeah, notthen, but looking back at all
the things I did, I was likeokay, that that really makes
sense, that that was teaching me, you know, like where to do the
(04:01):
cliffhanger you know likethings like that, that I just I
just do.
I don't think about it, I'mjust like you know.
I write it and I hear oh my God.
I just know.
That's where the chapter break.
Right, or that's where thesuper interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
What school did you go to?
Did you have any influencethere?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
No, I mean, I went to UCF I for English.
I was going to be a novelist.
That was the goal.
I was like, how did you feel tobe the first time around?
And I had a teacher tell methat I was a romance writer and
I was like how dare you, I wasso mad.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Why do you think she?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
felt that way Because I am, I mean, I just I mean I
write fantasy and horror, but Ialways have that like that
relational redemption storylineunderneath it.
You know and that, just thatmoving moment in the story.
So it is very driven by aromantic element whether it's a
(04:56):
father, daughter or husband,wife, boyfriend, girlfriend,
like just that, that romance ofrelationship.
I have that built into mystorytelling.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Super cool, oh, but, but you didn't like that.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
No, I was very mad at her.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And what did you see yourself as?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Like Stephen King's prodigy, you know, obviously
like horror and fantasy and likemagical realism, and that's
mostly what I do, right?
But okay.
So just Jake is my first movieand it's a rom-com.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It is a rom-com.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The first book I have traditionally published is a
rom-com.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Wow, so she was right .
Yeah, that's good.
So let's talk about just Jake,because that's turning into a
movie Done, done.
Yeah that's all done, can you?
Hold up the book.
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, did thebook come first or did the
screenplay come first?
The screenplay?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
came first.
I like to do things the wrongway and make up rules.
I wrote the script and it gotpicked up, and when we were
contracting I asked if I couldretain the book rights to
exploit on my own, and then wewould work out a deal.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Because I knew they weren't going to publish a novel
.
They're filmmakers.
That wasn't in there.
Right, and I knew they werealso going to change the script,
because it's a collaborativeprocess and it's going from you
know words to pictures.
So I knew if I retained thebook rights I could always tell
the exact story I wanted to tell.
Yeah, and then I had to haveanother product to sell to
(06:20):
another audience.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
How did you hook up with the filmmaking industry?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Ironically, I was working at the Space Coast
Association of Realtors, runningthe social media and doing the
website for new realtors.
We had a new realtor day everymonth and I was teaching the
website portion and I laughedand this gentleman followed me
out and he said I'm a newrealtor.
Could you help me with thewebsite?
I'm a little confused.
I just moved here from LA.
(06:48):
I've been in the film industryfor 30 years but I felt God
leading me to build affordablehousing in Cocoa Florida.
Yeah, that's quite a request andI said I know and I said, oh
well, I have.
I'm an author and I've alwayswanted to write movies.
And he said, oh well, let meconnect you with my bestie.
He's an entertainment attorneyin LA who happened to work on
(07:10):
Sin City and the Kill BillVolumes and the recent Apple TV
show, the Banker.
He's definitely a legitimateattorney and I was like what is
happening?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, what is happening?
Because growing up here wedon't get that.
We did it.
When, I think, we grew up here,there wasn't a lot.
You were either going to be adoctor, a nurse or a teacher.
So to have those opportunitiesis like wow.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It was crazy.
It's like a typical Hollywoodstory.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It totally is.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I met a guy who knew a guy and then you made a movie.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
How crazy is that?
And it was just likehappenstance, because real
estate, I mean, you weren'tthere to write or sell your
product, it was just, I'mpivoting, I'm doing something
different, but during that timeyou had already been a novelist.
Ok, and how was it going fromwriting books to writing a
(08:10):
screenplay?
Because it's a completelydifferent wheelhouse.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It totally is.
I mean, it's the samestorytelling craft but it's
delivered in a completelydifferent way.
So I mean, basically I had noidea what I was doing.
In December he reached out tome, the attorney, and he said
hey, do you have any rom-coms?
Think Hallmark, strong FemaleLead.
(08:35):
And I had never written a moviein my life.
I write about supernaturaldemons, monsters, magic.
So I told him yeah, let me justsee what I have, because I'm
not going to say no.
Exactly Google.
And I called a friend in LA whoI knew wrote rom-coms and they
said I don't know what to do.
(08:56):
And he said oh well, theHallmark execs are teaching a
class this weekend on Zoomthrough a school called Story
Summit, and I have a coupon code.
You should totally go and I'mlike OK, yes, please.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Oh, my god so.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I went and I took the class.
It was between Christmas andNew Year's.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Perfect time.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, right, and I wrote two screenplays in January
.
Wow Sent them both to theproducer and mid-February they
said we want this one.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Holy cow.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And it took a year and a half to get the contract.
But I mean that was a year anda half for the contract.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
What, why, why did it take so long?
You're like that's my question.
Everything takes so longBecause you guys are just
negotiating back and forth.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
There's negotiating, there's timing, there's the film
credits.
So you have to do a lot ofducks in a row to get the state
to give the funding back and theinvestors to see that they've
got this amount dropped already.
So there's a lot of that.
That goes on.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I mean obviously the stuff that you think of on your
own, like location scouting andcasting.
That obviously takes some timetoo, but there's a lot of that.
And then they were also inproduction on other movies that
they were wrapping on andediting and marketing and all of
that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And the whole time where you like this is going to
fall through, or were youconfident?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yes, and three rou��, larger than three, because I
didn't know who these peoplewere and if they were real.
So I, like I Googles, I went tothe California like Sunbiz in
California, to find theircorporate name.
I found like an investment firm, I found one of the names.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So I mean I was like yeah, I was on a mission and I
did find everybody and it allworked out it was all good oh my
God, crazy, and so, but beforethat you were writing books.
How lucrative is that?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I mean in children's books.
It's a lot of hustle becauseyou're either with Scholastic
and in the school system andgetting recommended for the AR,
like the accelerated readerprogram where the kids get
points for reading, or you're inthe Scholastic Book Fair or
you're in the library system.
So as an indie author it'sharder to get into those places.
(11:09):
So there's a lot of hustle.
So I, you know, did a lot ofdoor knocking at schools and
school visits and, you know,talking to kids about social
issues and writing and bullying.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So are you still self publishing, are you self?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
publishing I am still self published.
Except for the just Jake novelI went with a publisher.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh, okay, that's great Cool.
You've won multiple awards andyou say it's stories with a
magic touch.
Tell me about that.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I guess it's twinkle.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, you know, I want my brand to be cohesive and
if I'm writing about demons andromcoms for hallmark, then
there has to be somethingcohesive, and so I think there's
magic in love, there's magic insupernatural, there's magic and
magical realism, there's magicin historical fiction.
You know, magic can be definedin multiple ways, so for now
(12:05):
that's the brand that kind ofencompasses the magic most of my
projects, because that can beboth.
Yeah, it sort of can go backand forth in all of those
different projects.
Ok.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Tell me why the demons Tell me more about that.
How did that come about?
Because you said you didn'twant to be known as a romance
novelist, but so there's thisother side of you.
Tell me about that.
How did you get into that?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I really like supernatural stories.
I think it's just really fun toreinvent what could be going on
that we can't see.
So it just fascinates me Angelsand demons and werewolves and
vampires and all of thosegoolies and ghosties.
They're just interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
They're totally interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, and there's just a lot of really cool lore
out there in different cultures.
There is yeah, so it's just funto mess with it and just see
what you can come up with.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
That's super interesting.
I was listening to anotherpodcast that she was like a
historian, a religious historian, who looked at all these texts
about angels and stuff and thenshe sort of somebody invited her
to a UFO convention and then itclicked for her.
They're talking about the samething.
(13:31):
That's awesome.
Have you ever thought aboutthat?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Not that particularly , but I mean, yeah, I do see
parallels in things that I justfind interesting and who's to
say, no one will ever know untilthe end when we get to ask
questions to somebody.
It's fun to speculate, like theMarshall Law series is about a
demon cowboy.
That's what I thought he is.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
The demon cowboy.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, he's a fallen angel, he's vengeance.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But he's your hero.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
He's my hero.
Yeah, he's like an anti-hero,like a venom character, but so
he's read in the scripture thatGod said vengeance is mine and
he's the angel of vengeance.
So he takes it personally andhe thinks that with enough good
deeds he can earn his way backinto God's good graces.
So he is being tasked to leadthe end time witnesses through
Dante's Inferno, through thenine circles of hell to witness
(14:23):
all of man's sins, so that theycan come back to earth and kind
of proclaim y'all are messed upand you're going to be in
trouble, and so that's his thing, wow.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Wow, that's so interesting.
Yeah, like side by side withthe just shake Sure and just
Jake, there's a cowboy on thecover, yeah, ok.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Purely coincidental.
What do you mean, demon cowboy?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Oh right, romantic cowboy, cowboy, cowboy, good
cowboy and a bad cowboy Maybeit's not.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Maybe it's subliminal , because I always tell my
husband that if I could pickwhere I was supposed to be alive
, it would be like the 1880s.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Really.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
The old West yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Why does that draw you no idea?
I just feel like Maybe a pastlife or something.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Maybe, and I think like I wish I could go back with
the knowledge I have now,because I would be like the
biggest, baddest bank robber inthe old West oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
And maybe you were.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Maybe I was.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
That's really interesting.
So do all your novels have likea religious undertone?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
A lot of them do.
It's not preachy, there's nopreaching, but I do have a
strong faith and it does workits way into my art, but in a
way that most people have noclue.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
OK, yeah, yeah, ok, that's good.
I do both sides.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I play all the angles and try to keep it true.
Like one of my series.
Dreadlands is Norse mythology,vikings, werewolves, and the
lead boy is questioning theirgods and he's saying maybe
there's one god and that washistorically accurate.
So I just kind of play withthat and that's it.
(16:08):
There's like one conversation.
It's not anywhere else in thestory, but it's just one little
conversation, so do you alwaysgo back to lore and mythology?
Yeah, it's my favorite.
If I could just live in like amagical realism, historical
mythology writing world and thatwas all I ever wrote, I would
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be very content.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Interesting, and so when you're thinking about your
next book, is it an idea thatpops in your head, or do you
have things lined up that I wantto do this?
I want to explore this.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, it's both.
I mean, a lot of times I haveideas of what I'll work on next,
and then I might have an ideathat kind of infiltrates and
takes over, and then so I haveto decide am I going to do this
book or am I going to write thismovie, or am I going to outline
this new idea and balancingthat.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Are you continuing to write movies now, then, now
that your foot is in the door?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, I have a couple that are optioned in shopping
agreements.
Martial Law is actually one ofthem.
It's a.
It's currently in a TV showformat, but it's being optioned
for development into a featurefilm with the producer of
Stephen King's Thinner and theStand and the producer of Creep
Show.
Very nice, yeah.
So that one like lots offingers crossed.
(17:24):
And then I have a couple otherTV shows and movies that are
optioned.
Are they animated?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
or real?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
One of them is animated.
We haven't gone out with thatone yet.
That one I just finished thescript, got my notes back from
the executive producer, so thisis my week to make all those
changes, but that one is.
She's a monster producer.
She's worked on tons of huge IPlike SpongeBob and Ren and
Stimby.
Oh nice, she knows what she'sdoing, yeah yeah, she's a pro
(17:53):
and she's very connected andwe've just worked so well
together and just hit it off.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
That's wonderful.
Yeah, she's amazing.
Sometimes those executiveproducer notes can really kill
you.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, for sure, and you have to make a decision.
Is this worth losing the dealover?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, how important is it?
Most of the time it's not right.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I mean, you ask, everyone has their own opinion.
For me, I just feel like ifit's going to get the deal
closed and get onto, the nextproject and give me some credit
and some cash, then why would Isay no?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Right.
Right because you're astoryteller and you can pivot
right.
Interesting.
You've written 15 books andthey're all in this genre the
magic.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, mostly the magical realism, historical
fantasy, just that kind ofmashup, and is it for kids, for
teens, for young adults?
Yes yes.
I mean, I think my audience isgeneralized to like fifth and
sixth grade or fifth to eighthgrade.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
That's my sweet spot.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But it's also for adults who like those books,
like I, basically only readmiddle grade books or books by
authors.
I know, yeah, what do you read.
Yeah, like I can't think of asingle book right now.
But you can go to my Goodreads.
I post everything I'm readingand every day I update the page
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of the book that I read.
Like I read 3% today and thisis my thoughts on it so I just
like to.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You'd be like a wonderful host for a book club
then.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I would love to do that you maybe should.
I even have some books, I can Iknow let's read my book this
week.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Is that wrong?
No, no, you're an expert in allthings storytelling.
You've been in nationwideconferences.
You go to schools and statelibraries Talk about that.
So when you are an author, youget speaking engagements, right.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, I mean you have to kind of go out and find them
.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You do.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
But now they're finding me, which is nice yeah
that's nice.
Yeah, I have a big one coming up.
Actually, I mean, by the timethis airs it'll be over A big
zoom through the Story Rocketgroup and they're amazing.
They have a platform where youcan upload your book synopsis
and your log line and parts ofyour story and your Dreamcast
(20:22):
for the movie.
And if you have a script, youcan upload a few pages and they
make it all seamless.
So you can talk to a producerand say, here, go to this link,
and it has all my stuff, wow.
And you can just see it.
It's a really cool idea.
No one else is doing anythinglike it.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Wow, and do producers go to these things to find
people?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
like you they do.
The owner is a producer.
She's produced for a long timeand yeah, and she brings in
people and they reach out to her.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
And you're a producer too.
Tell me what are you producing.
Or is it because of Just Jake?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Right now, it's because of Just Jake, I'm on
that movie as a co-producer.
Yeah, it was great, very nice.
The idea was mine.
So, that plays into that.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Do you have any creative decision-making to do,
or are you just credited?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Just credited On that movie.
It was just credited.
And I think it was, because ifyou write the idea on spec and
they buy it, then it's yourmovie, versus like I'm working
on another movie where theyreached out to me with the idea
and they hired me to create it,so I wouldn't go on as a
producer in that regard.
(21:36):
Yeah, because all I did waswrite their idea.
But I think when it's your idea, then you're, you're.
You brought the project to theteam.
Yeah, which is what producersdo.
I mean one of the thingsproducers do.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
As you know, yeah, so I.
They listed me on there as aco-producer, which was
wonderfully awesome.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, that is wonderfully awesome.
So do you want to keep doingthat?
Are you going to put novel intothe side, or you know?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I don't want to, but I already have like my next step
plans lined up.
I've already talked to a coupleof writers that I know, whose
work I love, and said hey, wouldyou be interested if I gave you
the synopsis, writing the book,and then I would come in and
edit it, like James Patterson,and then we would just split it.
And so I have a few writersthat are like, oh my gosh, I
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love that.
So that's incredible.
Yeah, or some of my movies,like some of my rom-coms that
have been optioned, I would liketo have books to go with them.
So I have a writer that I'mlike, if I gave you the script
and you had like free reign fromthere, like the script will be
like you know three quarters ofthe story and you need to fill
in all the thoughts and thebackstory and the history Would
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you be interested in?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
so I mean, there must be like because usually a
writer would be like this ismine, like there's ego involved,
which you clearly don't have.
You are just going down thispath.
That is like illuminatingitself along the way, and you're
just like, yeah, yeah, let's go.
Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I just love storytelling and I like helping
other people and if I cancombine that that's a win.
But I just want to get in thebusiness.
Like, I have a movie made on TVwhich is like incredibly insane
, right, but I'm not like onLoki writing, I'm not, you know,
getting calls from SpielbergLike these are the things I want
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.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Maybe someday.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Some mech is we're.
Yet I'd like to do back to thefuture, for, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, have the idea you do.
Yeah, he doesn't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I mean not that I know personally, but I mean
they're not doing anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
But yeah, they're doing the musical though, so
that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Back to the future musicals on Broadway, so that's
pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh my gosh, I wonder what that would be like.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
That's amazing, is it ?
Is it playing now?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, oh, you got to go up there and watch it.
Yeah, do you?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
ever go to New York?
No, I will.
My cousin lives up there and wewere just talking about it.
She's like you need to come upand see the two time Back to the
future musical and I'm like setit up.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah Well, you're like all Hollywood, now you
gotta get out.
You do Very cool.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I'm kind of.
I'm kind of afraid of airplanes.
So tell me about it this is myyear to face the airplane.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
The year of the opening door mid-flight.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, let's do it Because I'm telling you like
COVID, like COVID allowed me tosay, it's okay to be
ridiculously insane and fearful.
It's okay, yeah, everyone iseveryone.
We all did it.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, but it was also a year to be like I might not
have that much time left on thisearth.
Right, let me do everything Iever wanted to do In a mask.
In a mask or a scarf.
I bought a whole bunch ofscarves, exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, so like moving out of that has been hard
Getting like going out.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And not being like well, do we want to go or do we
just stay home?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
We'll just watch it on TV.
We don't have to go to thetheater.
You know, just getting out ofthat mindset has been very
difficult.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah Well, the drive up there isn't so bad either.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
But I mean statistically, yeah, that's the
worst option On a plane.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Do it the year.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
When was the last time you've been on a plane?
I?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
don't remember.
It was a few years ago, it wasbefore COVID.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay, long enough yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I think we went to Montana to go visit family.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, yeah, the last time I was on the on a plane,
the engine sparked and popped aswe were landing and I just like
froze and went comatose and myhusband's like come on, let's go
.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We're on the ground, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I'm like it almost felt like we died and like, yeah
, the, the parallel split, andwe're still living, but in the
other one we died.
Right, that was freaky.
Yeah, but you'll be fine, Iwill be.
Take a pill or something, takea lot, yeah.
So when you go to schools totalk to kids, what is that like?
(25:54):
Because I think I shared withyou when I was a kid in D
Atlantic Elementary, theybrought in with a storyteller
yeah, and it stuck with me, andnow being in television and
telling reality TV stories, likeI think about that and I think
about how it impacted me.
So you're doing that to otherkids though.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, it's awesome, I mean it's so.
It's so fun to go into a roomand you know kids are like yeah,
yeah, old people like you knowyou're going to see it and then
just start talking and lettingthem see that you know.
I get that, yeah, and then justsaying one or two things that
connect with them and then bythe time they leave, that they
(26:35):
just they take something withthem, you know.
Absolutely Some social issuethat they can handle a little
better.
You know, or or something aboutwriting.
I could talk to some writersgroups and those kids just feel
really excited when I read theirwork and go, hey, this is so
good If you, if you do somethinglike this here, then that'll
help you.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Oh cool Nuggets.
So you do.
She talked about like bullyingher or you have a social aspect
to it.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, a couple my Clifton Chase and the Arrow of
Light series.
There's two books in that.
It's about a boy from Melbourne.
He finds a magic arrow and timetravels Get out.
Yeah, he found it in WickhamPark, wow, so you're using
Melbourne as a backdrop.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, that's amazing, jamie, it's fun.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I love it.
That was my first series andyou know he goes to Dolora
Middle School where he's dealingwith a bully, and the princes
in in history that he goes tohelp were bullied by their uncle
.
And my son was bullied when Iwrote it.
So we homeschooled and didarchery club at Wickham Park,
which is where the whole storycame from.
So, yeah, so I built up apackage and then for years I've
(27:42):
gone to schools and talked tokids about bullying and empathy
and you know the power of theirwords and yeah being the voice
for somebody when maybe theycan't be, and yeah.
And so that's been like reallyrewarding.
And then I decided to try itagain with another story with
Metal Mouth.
She's a she's a teenager, shealso lives in Melbourne, and she
(28:02):
starts hearing a boy's voice inher head after she gets struck
by lightning.
Her braces are transmitting itand she doesn't know if he's
real or, and if he is, why didthe universe bring them together
?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So she's trying to figure that out and with that
one, because it's about voiceand like finding yourself,
finding your voice.
I just talked to kids aboutsocial media and how?
Like you know, you can't.
You can't rely on likes, youcan't look at your circle, you
can't look at the filters, youcan't compare.
Yeah, you have.
Like you know, we are built forthe opinions of maybe a hundred
(28:35):
people.
That's it, and that's like ourfar reaching scope.
It's really like three, like Ihave three close people.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
You know, maybe five handful.
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, everyone else it's like yes, and the the
opinions beyond that.
It's like I really don't care,and and and.
They're just like obsessed withit, and and they I can see it
on their face.
It's like I'm so glad someonetold me that.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Like it's like a release, yeah, yeah.
Yes, we were talking to thisabout.
We just had a guest, nila Lois,and she's a 17 year old girl.
She came in with her mom andshe said the same thing.
Like once they got the phone,it went downhill from there and
I mean, you have two sons, howhave you been navigating that?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well, I mean, I have boys, so boys are just built
different.
They totally I mean I'm allowedto say that in this day and age
but I am.
But from my experience with myfriends who have daughters and
my friends who have boys, boyshandle it differently and not to
say that some boys aren'toverly affected.
I might order.
some was bullied.
He's more sensitive, hedefinitely internalized things
(29:42):
more Right.
But my younger son, he's, he'sa football player.
Both of them, as are inAnderson, their football players
.
You know they.
They just take the social media.
Their problem is they postthings that they shouldn't Like,
things that we all did and said.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Well, we were there out there.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, and I'm like how are you ever going to be
president?
Like, come on, you got to thinkabout these things.
Get that off of your snapchat.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Is that where they're at these?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
days, snapchat and.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Tik Tok and you let them have their own handles and
everything.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I do.
I try to follow them, but thenthey like create.
You know they create fakeaccounts, apparently.
But my older son, who's 23.
He's friends with him, so he'llbe like hey, mom, yeah, so
that's wonderful.
I mean, that's not true, justkidding, just kidding, it
doesn't happen.
Never happened.
Now, I mean only if it's badstuff, you know, like if it's
really something I need to knowabout.
(30:35):
But yeah, I mean we, we talk toour kids about everything.
I think that's anotherdifference from our parents 15,
16 and 20, sorry, 16, 16 and 23.
We just had a 20.
No, we just had a birthday.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
That's still weird, as returned six 17 in May and
Anderson just turned 16 inFebruary.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So your pregnancy was short.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
No, no, no, he's my, he's my, my foe, son.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Oh OK, yes, he's my adopted love OK.
Makes more sense.
My unofficially unadoptedsecond third child Very nice,
okay, cool, and how isteenagehood going for them?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
They're having a blast.
They're really good kids.
They're crazy.
Sometimes they're a littleobnoxious and even borderline
vile.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
But they make me laugh.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Well, yeah, they do smell, but they're mouths Some
of the things.
I realized it's our fault, ourgeneration, because we were the
generation that required theexplicit language lyrics, but we
only had three bands that hadexplicit lyrics.
That was it Two.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Rive.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Crew.
That was it, and now weaccepted that as normal music.
So when they listen to stuff orwatch TikTok, and everyone's
language is awful, I'm just kindof like can you not say that
around me?
I don't want to hear it.
I don't want to hear it comingout of your beautiful lips those
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foul words Do what you want.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
But you can't punish them for using language.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
It's the world that we live in and it's funny
because it doesn't bother us.
Like us Gen X parents as muchbecause we were the ones that
brought it into mainstream.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
But I think it's more of like you don't know what
your employer's going to be like.
You need to tone it down, toneit down and they need to button
up in certain occasions.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Right, yeah, I feel the same way.
I feel like it's more of adifferent kind of communication.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I feel like a little bit opposite.
My daughter, I have a pottymouth and she somehow just knows
not to use it.
Or maybe she sees me and she'slike what a weirdo.
I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, I have a little bit of a.
I wanted to make a t-shirt thatsays I love Jesus and F-bombs,
just so people know what they'regetting into.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right off thebat, that's so you, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Let's do that Sell those.
You were on a TV show as analien.
I was Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I was an alien on a show called Sea Quest in the 90s
when Orlando used to be veryactive for film and television
production, so I did a lot ofcommercials and television shows
and a lot of work out there.
I had an agent, brevard Talentgroup.
They're in Orlando now but theystill work with locals.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Okay, so like your dip into Hollywood isn't new.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
No, no, I got bit a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I just wasn't a very good actress.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
But you played an alien for several of the
episodes.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, and I was in like a full body suit and they
zipped up the back so like, didyou have lines?
No, I didn't say anything and Ididn't like.
I remember I couldn't like eator drink like the whole time
because it was such a pain tozip and unzip.
So I mean that it was a wreck.
Like when I got home.
I remember waking up in themiddle of the night, panicked
(33:59):
because my pillow was on my faceand I thought I was back in the
mass.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Like it was dramatic, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
But I did meet Jonathan.
Jonathan Landis is at his name.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I used to have a crush on him.
Everybody did yeah, he was socute.
Well, he hit on me.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
We were at the craft services table Get out of town.
I didn't know who he was, I wasjust hungry and I mean Jesse
knows me, I'm food focused andlike I'm sitting there trying to
eat and he's like hitting on meand I'm like bro.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Trying to eat.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, he was like the teen pop idol of everything.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah, he was like but now he's like acting in TV.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
No, no, I think he like, I think he passed a while
ago yeah.
Under bad circumstances.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
honestly, Like the, I was just watching something
like about the two quarries.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, that's a different podcast.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It is yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
But Jonathan is like the Leonardo DiCaprio, yeah,
yeah.
And then Leo.
And then Leo came around andstole our hearts, stole
everybody's heart.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Oh my gosh, but you're not acting anymore.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
No, I mean, I would like to.
It was.
It was recommended to me thatI'm not bad looking.
Yeah, beautiful, not badlooking.
So you should negotiate in yourfuture contracts a very small
speaking role you should totallydo that.
That's what I said.
I'm like that's a great ideaGood idea.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Thank you, I'll take that.
That's the theater, correct.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, my oldest son, lucas, works in Sarasota at the
Florida Theater Studio indowntown.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
He has his degree in theater and is minor in theater
management.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Wow, so you're taking it to the next generation.
Yes so is he in place?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, he is in place there and then he's always
auditioning because it's acontract, so it's going to
expire at some point.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Why Sarasota?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
That's just the theater that that picked him up.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
He's been in a bunch of places, even locally.
Well, he's worked at HannaGurie.
He's worked at Ty to Spill.
He's done both of those foryears throughout high school and
what kind of roles did they get?
Mostly he is in the um, um thesinging and acting and dancing
like background.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
He's got a chorus.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
That's not called a chorus, but I can't remember
what it's called right now.
But um, he's probably yellingat me listening to this like
mother this called the, and he'shad small speaking roles.
Um, he, he doesn't really careabout being the lead Like he who
wouldn't want to be but in thesame sense he's like.
You know, I just like being onstage.
It's a lot of lines, it's a lotof commitment.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
So he's understudying .
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Right now he's learning that.
Um, he's learning auditioning,because it's like a paid
internship, oh wow.
So they're teaching them all ofthose aspects of theater, not
just the.
You know.
Get on stage like you'vealready done before, right, so
he's enjoying it Very nice.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
It's a lot.
I mean, does he see himselfgoing up to Broadway someday?
I mean he was love.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
That Okay, but um, I don't know how that looks.
I don't know what that pathlooks like.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Oh, it's just put your clothes in a bag and go.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, it's got to be a really hard door to bust in.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
but no, but it's not, though, right.
I mean it is because we'reconditioned to think that way.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, maybe that's it .
Speaker 1 (37:15):
But if you, you know, if you would have never
followed your dreams if I wouldhave never packed my bags, I
wouldn't be here either.
I would be a nail tech down thestreet, which is I'd hire you
Totally.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I was the worst nail tech in the world.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Man, I actually did that.
I graduated high school and gotmy nail tech degree like at the
same time, and I used it incollege, but I always wanted
more you know and I just think,growing up here you weren't fed
that.
So I love meeting someone thatfound their way and is passing
(37:50):
it along to their kids.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Well, I mean, like you could do that here as a side
hustle, because this is reallyall you do with clients when
you're doing their nails.
It's just chit chat, just chitchatting.
So you could like add that Um,we'd like you'd like to do an
interview.
If you want to add $40, you canhave your nails.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
You can put it on live.
Oh my gosh, but I was aterrible nail tech.
I couldn't do it.
But it took me going to NewYork, cause back then you
couldn't get a peep out of meRight when I was actually doing
nail tech.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
So I think you have to go out into the world.
You know, get your hustle onyeah, he's, he's starting, he's
starting his hustle, and sowe'll see where it goes from
here.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
But you're saying, um , you don't, you used to go to
Orlando.
Do you think that it's sort offallen off a little bit?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, they left Orlando years ago.
We're working to get the filmincentives back, like the breaks
for the investors.
John Lux is the um executivedirector of film Florida and I'm
on the legislative committeewith that organization and, and
you know, just trying to get theall the legislators to see that
(38:54):
all of these other states aremaking money off these tax
breaks by bringing in these filmcompanies who are hiring um dry
cleaners and restaurants andhotels and they're they're
spending and catering.
They're spending all this moneyin the cities and states because
they get tax breaks and Floridadoesn't have that anymore.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
So why not?
What happened?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I have no idea.
So it used to be here.
Used to be here.
They were like literally movingLA to Florida like getting out
of LA, and then it was overweird.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Did that coincide with COVID, or no?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
no, this was like late nineties early 2000s at the
most.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Okay, yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yup, so we're, you know, I mean Atlanta has a
booming film industry.
North Carolina, I mean a lot ofplaces that film in Florida on
on their um scenes.
They're not shot in Florida.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I mean well, didn't Brad Pitt just come to down here
to to film?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yeah, I think, like in Tampa.
I think that's what I want tosay.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
No, we had gone there on a girls weekend, the that
either the day before he camefor something Whoops.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Where the heck did I go?
I was like I'm not playing thatwrong?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I can't think about it.
I know, right, Although like Idon't know.
After, after the Angelinascandal, like you're kind of a
creep, I guess.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Right, they still some eye candy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
And he did something to his face, where he looks
brand new.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, listen, why not ?
You gotta do what you gotta do,you can do his nails on the
podcast.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Done with that job, jamie.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Sorry, I really want my nails done.
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I'll treat you to a mani putty.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
We'll go get it done.
So you had said earlier aboutawards Awards.
And I think I can announce thisnow, because it's going to be
like out then.
But there is a podcast calledthe swing my heart podcast and
they are, like all hallmarkromance rom-coms, a good
hallmark movie.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
They capture you like none other.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yes, they're yes, so they.
That's what they do.
So they interview the stars,they interview the directors,
and I was a guest you know for,as the writer, and anyway, they
do an annual contest.
You know people's choice, andjust Jake won for best
non-hallmark, non-christmasmovie.
(41:21):
Oh, my goodness, because it'syou know most of the time it's a
hallmark Christmas movie.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Oh yeah, so you need a new category.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, yeah.
But there was a lot of othermovies that weren't Christmas,
weren't hallmark, and out of allthose movies we won, oh my gosh
, congratulations, and where canwe see your movie?
It's on up TV faith and familynetwork.
So if you go through likeAmazon and you type in just Jake
, like your Amazon Prime, it'lltake you to download this app.
(41:47):
Five day free trial usually.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
You know how they are .
Speaker 2 (41:52):
And it's a lot of like family friendly programming
, like sweet and comfortableprogram, not family friendly,
like let's watch Sesame Streettogether.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
No, no, no.
And then there's the old schoolhouse on the prairie and you
know the old school night, yeahFull house those kinds of shows.
I miss those.
They don't make those anymore.
Full house, fuller house, Iknow.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
But it wasn't the same.
Sorry guys, it was the same.
We appreciate it, I know.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I'm not without the Olsen twins.
Yeah, they're too good for us.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Well, on the younger sister, we gotta wear their
clothes now.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yes, and the younger sister of the Olsen toys blown
up?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, totally, but she'd blown up, she's awesome,
yeah, yeah, yeah, she's got thatOlsen.
Look to her.
You like to kick box?
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I do.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Where do you do that at?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
At Soft Beach Fitness I do their Les Mills classes.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
OK.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
So I kick box like three times a week.
They call it body combat.
Cool and then I do their.
They have like a mix of Zoom.
I'm not Zumba, sorry.
I do that too.
I do that three times a week.
They have a mix of like Tai Chi, pilates and yoga.
Oh yeah, I do that like threetimes a week too, and it's keep
(43:04):
you in shape, and can you kicksomeone's ass?
If there's music playing, Ialways say only attack Jamie if
there's music?
Yeah, I told my husband I go.
You know it's going to happen.
Is someone's going to like jumpme?
And I'm going to be like did it, did it, did it, did it, did it
, did it did, it did it, did it,did it, did it, did it, and
they're going to run becausethey're going to be like this
(43:25):
way.
Yeah, I messed with the wronglady.
That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
The plan, but what a good thing to have under your
belt.
And you also like to bake.
I do.
What do you bake?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I bake weird grain free treats.
How?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
do you do that.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Nobody in my house eats but me, and it's fabulous.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Do you sell them anywhere?
No, my mom says I should andI'm just not ready.
People want the grain free.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
They're delicious for me, like if you bite into an
Entomans chocolate cake donutstraight out of the freezer and
it melts in your mouth.
It has a little chemicalaftertaste and you're like this
is so good.
And then you bite into mychocolate donut.
You will spit it out If youjust bite into mine it'll be
fine, it's just like a chocolateEntomans donut.
(44:13):
That's the key.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
But it's almond flour .
I have all kinds of flowers.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I have a whole pantry .
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Who knew there was so many flowers out there.
I like the coconut flower.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I bought a cookbook and it breaks down all the
different flowers and what youshould use and when and why your
bread sucks because you'reusing the wrong flower.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
That is a whole other .
Wow, it's a whole thing.
It's a whole thing, but it'syour side passion.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, and I like left it the week of Christmas
cookies this year when my momcame over and we made the just
Jake cookies that are in thebook.
That's what I was going to askyou.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Do you put your baking knowledge into your books
?
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, the, just Jake, one has the.
There's a QR code in the backof the book that takes you to my
website and you can downloadthe cookie recipe.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
You can see all I could Jake made them.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
They're in the book.
Yeah, the mom, like it's.
Their family traditions arefamily traditions.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Of course it is.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yes, I put my great grandmother's cookie recipe in
there, oh my gosh.
And then we have behind thescene photos from the movie and
you can click a link to buy thetheme song that Rob Mays wrote,
who played Jake.
So there's all kinds of coolstuff you get when you buy the
book, but yeah, so this year wemade those cookies and I haven't
really stopped since, likebreaking, breaking the sugar in
(45:30):
the flower thing.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Can you do cakes I?
Speaker 2 (45:35):
can do anything.
Oh, yeah, yeah, you can doanything.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
And I can do anything I want, I can eat anything, I'm
not allergic.
But I just find that like Ifeel different when I eat
regular flour, like yeah, Ithink it's straight.
The thoughts from the head tothe mouth don't come out as well
.
I'm sleepy or I don't sleep.
At night it's like, yeah, yeah,a lot of things I was such a
(46:01):
junkaholic like just junk foodall the time.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
My favorite treat was like McDonald's, like a
breakfast big breakfast and thenaround COVID time I was like
let me rethink just abouteverything in my life and I
stopped eating all that stuffand it just doesn't appetize me
anymore.
No, like even when you'retalking about the donut like oh,
(46:25):
I'd rather not, yeah, yeah.
So my daughter's always askingme to take her to McDonald's.
I'm like do you know what theyput?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
in the food.
Do you want to really go there?
Yeah, no, I won't take herthere.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
I'm the worst mom ever.
I don't have cereal in thehouse.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
I don't want to have cereal in the house, but I don't
take my kids to McDonald's ever.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
I tell her I'm like what, why would I want to poison
you?
I don't, yeah, I haven't eaten.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Nothing against McDonald's, everything against
McDonald's, but everythingagainst McDonald's.
I haven't eaten McDonald'ssince I was like 18 years old.
Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
But for the good, I feel good.
I feel good I feel good aboutit and then when you do actually
eat something in that realm,like we went to Chick-fil-A, the
other day and my stomach's likewhat the?
Speaker 2 (47:09):
fuck are you doing to me?
Yeah, it's not good.
Yeah, it's not good, it doesn'twork anymore Because you've got
different bugs in there now andthey're like we don't want that
.
We don't want that yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
So good, good good.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
What else?
Speaker 1 (47:20):
What else do we not know about you?
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Well, you know, I mean, I just celebrated a
birthday.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Oh, happy birthday oh how are you liking this age of
truth?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
You know, I don't know, I don't know anything
about it.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Oh, you're not into it.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
No, but I think it's appropriate that I'm an Aquarius
and I don't like the water, Idon't like the ocean.
I don't like it either Sharks.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah, it's too wet out there.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
I just feel like if God wanted me in the air or the
water, he'd have supplied mewith different things.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah, so no planes, no boats.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
You ever go on cruises?
I'm the dog sitter.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Oh OK.
Oh OK, now I know who to call.
Yeah, although I never leaveanyway, yeah, Do you have any
dogs?
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I have two dogs.
What?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
kind of dogs do you have.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I have a hound mix.
She's an old lady named Ahsoka.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Oh, where'd you get that name from?
From Star Wars?
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Oh, OK, yeah she has her own show now.
And then we just got a newpuppy.
She's a Boston Terrier and shewas Anderson's litter, one of
the puppies in his litter, mynew son Anderson.
Oh, and her name was Fart,because she was like two inches
(48:32):
and she looked like a turd, likea little turd.
And they would send me videosof Fart outside.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Not that she Farts.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
No, and she was the cutest thing I ever saw and
she's like white and she's gotlike brown spots and she looks
like a cow and I'm like that'sawful.
Her name is Little Mew and Imean I want to meet Little Mew.
I want her to come see me andthen as so, this is me they're
harassing me with these fartphotos.
And then Ezra goes to myhusband.
You know, mom really likes thisdog.
I think it might be a nice giftfor Christmas.
(49:01):
And they did it Not this pastChristmas, but the year before.
So he totally used both of usto get this dog in our lives.
But you wanted that dog, Ididn't.
I did not want anotherheartbeat in my house.
However, I would kick everybodyout for her.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
I will say it to the camera.
She is my favorite angle Watchout kids.
Oh they know, Watch your step.
We have a very unhealthyrelationship.
I'm not.
I mean, that's the healthiestguy.
I'm not.
I'm that lady now that I usedto make fun of with the little
dog.
Oh yeah, yeah, I am her.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
I don't know how Do you have a purse?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
No, no, any clothing, okay so you need to step it up,
Jamie.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Okay, you need some clothing for that dog.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Oh, yeah, yeah, she has like a puffer jacket.
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
You got to get them their own wardrobe, although
it's hot here in Florida.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
It is.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
My dog just celebrated her birthday
yesterday.
We just got her a bunch ofclothes.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to step it up.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Super cool.
Well, how can we find youonline?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Um, I am everywhere.
At Jamie Ingle rights on socialmedia Um.
My website is Jamie Inglecom.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I am most active on LinkedIn.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
And YouTube.
I am building my YouTubechannel.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
So I'm inviting everyone to come.
I post um on Tuesdays.
I try to do a nice long formvideo on Thursdays.
I try to do a throwbackThursday, like from the just
Jake film set.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Oh, wonderful.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Little video and every Friday I do my Friday wins
for the week dance.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Oh it's taken off.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
I've tried to stop.
I've gotten yelled at by peopleI don't know, so naturally I
will continue to do it.
Exactly.
Uh, it's my thing.
It inspires people.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
It's just, it's hard being a creative.
Yeah, it is a long journeybefore you see anything growing
from that seed you planted, andhalf the time it's half dead.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Look at you.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
So that is what I do I dance, and I point and I write
in words of all my wins for theweek to say hey listen.
This week I wrote every day.
This week I had a producermeeting this week.
I was on the space ghostpodcast.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
You know any tips for young budding writers or old
writers that just decided to doit?
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Um go to my YouTube channel because there's lots of
free videos, but um just write,just write and don't judge what
you're writing.
Yeah, I've heard it said byseveral people now, but don't
judge your beginning by someoneelse's middle.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yes, it's really easy to do that.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
It's really easy to read a book and be like I can
never write like that.
No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
You would five years, yeah, or you with an editor can
yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
But you can't, so just write what you can.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Okay, very good, and are you doing any workshops or
anything?
Do you do that?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Yes, I have tons.
I mean, like I said, I've gotone this weekend, but this will
be past tense by the time peopleare listening Right, but you've
got future ones, yeah, yeah.
If you go to my website, um,I'm always somewhere doing
something.
Um half of them are free, opento the public.
Um, so yeah, I just I posteverything where I'm going to be
very, very cool and veryinspiring.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Thank you for coming.
This was so awesome.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Thank you for having me Anytime Come back if you ever
need to promote something.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
I will, or if I need my nails done.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
I'll bring my kit next time.
Thank you so much, jamie.
Yeah, thank you for having me.
You too, yay.
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