When Alie and Eli waltzed into our studio, they brought with them a whirlwind story of artistic passion and sustainable fashion that's been turning heads in Melbourne. Their journey from the chills of Philadelphia and the glitz of LA to creating Space Swap, an innovative community hub for eco-conscious clothing exchanges, is nothing short of inspiring. The pair share how their serendipitous meeting through a mutual friend planted the seeds for what would become a vibrant celebration of creativity, sustainability, and local talent, all while keeping thousands of pounds of textile waste out of landfills.
The episode unfolds with the color and energy of a Space Swap event itself, taking you behind the scenes of their sustainable bikini sewing class and the largest clothing swap to date at Rockledge Gardens. Eli and Alie discuss their efforts to nurture the local Brevard music scene, building a platform for young artists to shine. They invite us into their world of collaboration, revealing how their personal artistic endeavors—from Alie's documentary aspirations to Eli's candid revelations of living with alopecia—have shaped their mission. It's a tale of transformation, not just for discarded garments, but for the individuals and communities touched by the Space Swap magic.
Amidst tales of triumph, the Space Swap gals don't shy away from the more complex threads of their tapestry. They address the Maui fires, the intricacies of love and relationships, and an honest conversation about navigating life's challenges, such as the journey towards sobriety and spirituality. They remind us of the power of personal growth and how it intertwines with community success. Prepare to be moved by their candid reflections and to be encouraged to weave your own story of creativity and purpose.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Yeah, that's us Allie and Allie, welcome to our show.
It's nice to have you girlshere.
You guys are the girls fromSpace Swap.
(00:21):
Yeah, you guys have createdquite a buzz around here in
Brevard and we're all curiousabout a lot of things, about how
it started and how it's going,and, yeah, we want to hear more.
But let me start out by how didyou guys meet?
Because you guys seem kind oflike a soul sister duo.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So we met through a mutual friend, Brittany Collins.
We first met at a birthdayparty and then we were having
like this profound conversationabout love and relationships.
And then Allie had to flee.
She just had to go somewhere.
And then there was some time inbetween and then Brittany hit
(01:06):
me up again and she was like hey, my friend's looking for an
artist and I'm like where is she?
Like I'm there, and then 10minutes later I meet Allie at
Pineapple Park in EGAD and we'replanning out the first Space
Swap event.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Pretty much.
Wow, when was that?
September of 2021.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Wow, and then it went from there.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Went from there, complete snowball.
But yeah, we were walkingaround the park and I was
showing her ideas.
And then she was showing meideas and we were like, oh, we
can put this tent here, we canput the clothing swap there.
So your ideas aligned.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, yeah, but Space Swap started as like a pop-up
place.
It wasn't until later that youguys got into the brick and
mortar, right?
Yes, how did that happen?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So we did our first Space Swap at Pineapple Park and
it was a clothing swap and thatwas kind of just.
We thought it was going to be aone-off thing at first, and
afterwards the response was, ohmy gosh, that was great.
Nothing like that is happeningaround here.
When is the next one?
And that's when we started kindof looking at each other and
(02:23):
we're like another one.
So I stored a bunch of clothingin my dad's living room I'm
sure he loved that and clothingracks and tents, and we just got
to work and never stoppedreally.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, yeah.
And then it snowballed intolike more events.
All sorts of events happened atthe brick and mortar, like tea
poetry.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
What else did you?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
guys have there.
You guys had musicians.
It was like all the time therewas something to do there.
You guys were thriving.
What happened?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So we did pop-ups from, I guess, september of 2021
until we got the keys One yearlater.
We actually celebrated ourone-year anniversary of space
swap as pop-ups in our brick andmortar as we were still
building out the space.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
We are actually coming up on two and a half
years of doing space swap as anonprofit as a whole.
But yeah, while we were in thespace we were able to just
accomplish so much in ourmission.
I don't know if you want tolike mention what our mission is
for new listeners?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yes, please do, because it is a.
It's like sustainable fashion,right, and that was like, but
then you guys just took it toother places.
Oh yeah, you said you were anartist.
Tell me about your background.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Oh gosh, did you grow up here?
I did not.
Okay, I was born and raised inHawaii and then I moved up to
Philly when I was like 10.
And then I came down here whenI was like 21.
Why did you come here?
My parents moved down.
It's just too cold up there.
Yeah, I'm like over it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know Too much snow, yeah, so your parents
moved down here when you were21?
.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, around there.
I stayed up there for like alittle longer and then and then
moved.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Okay, and then like schooling, or like what were you
doing then?
What were you doing before aspace swap?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Geez, I mean, I traveled a lot.
Spacefop was kind of like mefinally committing to Melbourne.
Really yeah and totally worthit.
You know, before I was workingat the living room I was like
front of house manager, I wasrunning the stage, and do you
remember the living room?
No, it's right across from it,was it?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
was right across from iron oak.
Yeah, it's no longer Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It's now that like bridal shop, but sweet little
spot, yeah.
So um, but I was always intophotography, always into video
work, but working at the livingroom, kind of like, brought me
into like production.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, you know like when you stage and stuff like
that.
So cool.
And then, ali, you have like aactual production background
right?
Yes, what were you doing before?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
space swap.
Before space swap, I moved toLA when I was 19 and I started
dabbling and acting and filmproduction and then I heavily
fell into film production as aproduction assistant, assistant
director, uh, second AD,basically the production side
and that basically trained mefor what later turned into like
(05:48):
event production?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yes, it's good for that.
What kind of stuff were youworking on in LA?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I did a lot of music videos, television shows, a
couple indie features, coolAnything.
I could really get work Right.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, what were the years you were there?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I was there from 2014 , I want to say maybe 2015 until
the pandemic.
And then I came home, okay, soyou did you grow up here?
I did, yeah.
What school did you go to?
I went to satellite.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Oh, you did Stingham, cool yeah.
So are you happy to be back?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I am because I feel like it's important for
someone's journey to go out intothe world and travel and learn.
I saw this quote and it waslike your 20s is for learning
and all these different things,because our whole life we're
living for other people, likeour parents or teachers.
And then it's like you get thisfreedom and it's like what are
(06:45):
you going to do with it?
So you go out into the forestand explore.
Exactly, and now I'm back and Iam happy to be here now because
I think there's so muchopportunity and it's nice to be
able to be a part of the growthhere.
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, which you guys did a lot of amazing things.
And now that you guys haveclosed up shop, what is next for
space swap?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Well, we have a couple of events in the works
right now.
Mm-hmm.
We're really just partneringwith other local businesses and
going back to our roots.
Whenever it seems like we don'tknow which direction to go in
for space swap, we just look atour roots and then it tells us
what to do.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Tell me about your roots, like.
What is the mission?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
So the mission is to stitch the community together
through sustainable fashion,music and the arts, and part of
our mission is sustainability.
So sustainability is more thanjust the ecosystem or pollution.
It's like we have to sustainourselves, we have to sustain
our community, and we can onlyreally give our best selves to
(07:59):
space swap if we're able tosustain ourselves as people,
sustain ourselves as artists.
So a lot of what we have beendoing for space swap is
volunteer work, and so we'retaking a season of learning how
to sustain ourselves better inorder to show up better for
space swap and we're able tostill do pop-ups and still do
(08:20):
this and still do that.
But being in the brick andmortar was like a whirlwind of
excitement and we I mean, havinga brick and mortar is no joke,
right?
You suddenly have all of theseresponsibilities you didn't have
before.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And there's still so much we want to do with our
lives, do with our time.
We still want to travel.
It's like really, you know, wekind of just like you guys
outgrew it, sure, but you had agood time in there.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And do you think you'll be?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
able to like replicate those kind of events
without the brick and mortar.
Also, what kind of businessesdo you want to collaborate with?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Those are good questions.
What do you think, Abby?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I think we can bring the vibe wherever.
Yeah, I think so too, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
And I think small businesses need that around here
.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
They appreciate the nuance that you guys bring
because it's fun what you guysdo.
What was your like favoriteevent that you guys threw at the
brick and mortar?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I think I could guess yours Is it.
Is it poetry?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I do love poetry.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, we did have a typewriter event.
That was one of the last events.
It was so cute.
I like decorated thetypewriters with like leaves and
stuff, I don't know, just gotto go in like that.
But yeah, my friend, brianZerajak, and Karissa from
(09:57):
Karissa's Bazaar, she has hercollection of typewriters and
she just brought it in andthey're all like vintage and
most of them worked and it wasjust like, and she let you guys
use them.
That's pretty nice.
Yeah, someone came in, was likewriting some bars down, you
know.
Yeah, he shared it with us.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It was pretty tight, you guys have a knack for for
getting big machines indifferent places.
Let's talk about that time.
You guys brought like 20 sewingmachines to an event.
Oh my gosh, can we look at thepictures?
I couldn't believe that youguys actually pulled that off,
because it was unbelievable.
(10:40):
So it was this sewing eventthat we see here.
All the machines were out.
There was like a big patch ofgrass where we were cutting
fabric.
There was music.
It was such like a Good girl,vibe, you know like, yeah, that
was such a sweet event.
Can you tell us more about it?
That was cool.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
So the idea was to do a sustainable bikini sewing
class, because a lot of timesbikinis are really expensive.
They are for this much fabric,exactly and we met a local
bikini maker Her name is Rebecca, from Honey Bikini and we
decided to collaborate and justgo for it.
(11:23):
And, yeah, this is our bikinisewing class.
It was such a beautiful day,thank you and you were a part of
that.
I was.
I'm in that picture.
I am.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
That's the day that I had just gotten a surgery
because Kim somber mercy.
I was talking to her, I likecornered her in a bathroom, like
how are you making your things?
Like tell me everything andshe's the best, and I didn't
know quite how to use it yet.
And, yeah, I came to this and Ilearned and you guys are so
(11:56):
inspirational and like to beable to be a part of this and
you know gain that skill or justlike you know, the Commodery
that you felt on these events.
It was nice, really nice.
Thank you, thank you girls, forfor putting all that stuff on,
and I wish I would have beenable to to go to more events,
and I'm I'm hoping you guys arestill gonna pop up here and
(12:16):
there.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
And the other thing about goingback to pop-ups more people
will be able to come.
Yeah, we're able to plan themfarther in advance.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
People will mark their calendars.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, and you know, that's just something that I
learned about.
Human nature is, I don't wantto say like the sparkle wears
off, but if, if, something is soreadily available, it's like
there's something enticing aboutit popping in and out, like one
day only type of exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Let's see another photo.
The what again tells the storybehind this photo.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So, yeah, that was our first big haul for recycling
all of the textiles that we hadcollected, Because that's a big
part of our mission right, youknow we rescued all these bags
of clothes, yeah throughout ourfour Clothing swaps that we had
(13:17):
in the first year.
Yeah we just had so muchclothes and we had to sort
through all of it to see what wewanted to keep, what was
sustainable, and then Justproperly recycle whatever we can
through American textilerecycling services out of
Orlando.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Oh yeah, so super proper cool way to go, girls,
and I think you guys documentedit all along the way.
You guys should check out theInstagram because it was so it
was great to see this wholeprocess go down.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, to date, we have recycled almost five
thousand pounds of clothing Holycow not in a landfill, so that
was part, huge part of themission.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Luckily, we've been able to give clothing away to
those in need.
We've partnered with otherlocal nonprofits, such as ways
for life, community of hope, newlife mission.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Oh good, so fantastic .
So do you guys still have likewarehouses full of stuff?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I yeah, there's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
There's a lot of stuff, yeah okay, good to know,
we'll be popping up.
We'll be popping up.
Oh wait, let's see that nextphoto.
So what was this?
This was um Glinch, it was rock.
This is this Rockledge Gardens.
I haven't been yet, but itlooks like an amazing space.
What did you guys do here?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So that was our biggest event yet, really, yeah,
there was about like 500 like500 people.
Wow, it was a free event we.
We sprawled out.
We had the clothing swap in thegreenhouse that shot right
there, so gorgeous, and then wehad a handful of bands play in
(14:59):
the like, the overhang, likelogi area over there by the bar.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I've never been, I have to go.
Yeah, you should.
Amazing.
And so how do these Clothingswaps work when you put them on?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Well, it adapted.
At first we tried to do aticket system.
That's what I was imagining,right, because Each item we
thought held like a differentvalue or this or that and so we
were trying to do tickets atfirst, but it evolved into just
donate a bag and then you canfill a bag.
So just simple simple swapping.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Literally just swapping and everybody was
pleased.
It was a win-win situation.
Oh good, yeah, that's so fun.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So we've gone through the mission.
Do we have any more photos?
Is this, was the your finalnight?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
this was our grand opening, oh.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Awesome, tell me about that night.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Wow, yeah, so we had Creek and East narrative play.
It was East narrative's firstshow, right, mm-hmm?
Yeah, we did a lot of firstshows at space swap, which is
really special, super amazing.
And now you guys have all thesemusicians like in your roster
our last show we had 23musicians, 10 vendors, a food
(16:25):
truck.
I mean people just coming outof the woodworks.
We posted hey, who wants toplay at space swap?
Last call, at our farewell fornow event, and I mean and shout
out to Jimmy jazz for runningthat literally 20, 23 bands.
Yeah, that was a lot yeah, butit was great.
(16:47):
Yeah, he did Cool.
That was like a 14 15 hour aday.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, oh, my god.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, you guys were going.
What time did you guys wrap up?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, we thought we were behind and then it
literally just lined upperfectly.
Wow, the speed spirits.
Speed spirits went on at oneand like we ended at two, right
when we said you know, it wasour hundredth event Like it was
just so perfect.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, what do you guys look for it when you're,
when you're scouting formusicians?
They kind of find us.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah, and I love that.
You know, we want to work withpeople who want to work with us.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, yeah, period, you guys have like a Like, a
vision, like someone that youwould want to work with, that
you haven't yet goodness, I feellike we've worked with all of
everyone or another.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, towards the end , we started working with more
like kid bands, so like highschool kids that are like just
getting into music.
We're just wanting to pop upand have a show.
How's that?
How did that go Good?
So there's this kid, mark.
He threw space ghost battle ofthe bands.
I think he's like 19, but he, alot of his circle, are like
(18:09):
younger bands, punk bands likeTeenagers.
Yeah and so that's honestlylike Even younger than us, like
the even younger generation ofthe music scene in Brevard.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
That's so rad that you guys are tapping into that,
yeah and I'm sure they areappreciative too.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, it was cool, yeah.
And then we have worked with alot of people who have traveled,
like we've worked with peoplefrom Jacksonville, lots of I
think, like how many bands fivedifferent bands from down south
South Florida, we had one fromMiami.
We've had people fromGainesville come out, so people
(18:48):
traveled to play at space.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
They all contact you.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, you guys did like a total.
I mean, yeah, you guys arewell-known not only in this
county but and beyond.
Yeah, do you will, you guysever do pop up beyond.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Brevard, it would probably be a big one.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, like a full festival Probably.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, that'd be cool.
You guys, you think you have itin you to make up a full
festival.
I mean, we have, you've alreadydone it.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, I mean, rockledge Gardens was pretty
much a festival you know we hadthe music.
We had the art and the clothingswap.
So that's like three hugesectors.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, plus the drum circle, I mean it was pretty big
, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So thanks to our volunteers and also just the
people who that we were able tocollaborate with, yeah, like
that's kind of like the key toit, I think collaboration.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, yeah, because everybody wants, has to want to
be there for it to work.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, and we do our best to try to take care of
everyone the best we can.
Sure, and it's just thiscamaraderie and this ecosystem
of people doing it for thepassion and for the love of art
and they understand that, likewe all have the same goal,
mm-hmm, so that's really cool totap into.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, totally Mm-hmm.
Nice, ali is an artist ofempathy, is what Ellie said.
Yes, talk about that.
What is that me an?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
artist of empathy.
So I have a background inacting in theater right and it's
interesting because when Istarted really diving into my
craft, really breaking it down,art is Empathy and the art of
acting, to me, is the art ofempathy and being able to really
(20:38):
authentically emote and Feelwhat it is that the character
that you're portraying felt andtap into your own body and so,
like when I was taking actingclasses, that's really when,
like, I got kind of likeSpiritual and I was journaling
and I was trying to tap into,like who is Ali and learning
(21:02):
that, like when you become abetter, like transformed version
of yourself, you become betterat your craft, whatever that is.
So it was a whole like journey.
But yeah, that's what I have onmy Instagram is that I'm an
artist of empathy, becausereally that's so important.
Do you miss acting?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I do.
Yeah, why don't you join some?
You know there's plays.
I'm going to all the HennigarhCenter plays, by the way.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Have you tapped into the?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
looking into yeah, continuing that skill up here in
Brevard.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, I do a lot of straight acting so I notice a
lot of local centers do a lot ofLike musical theater and stuff.
Specifically, film is more ofmy thing.
So film, like on camera acting,is a little bit different than
the theater.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yes, you're right.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
If I mean, if there's like a film scene, maybe we'll
start a film scene.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, I know If there's anybody that can do what
it's you to.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, then I mean I would be, I would be so just
like elated to what aboutOrlando?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Have you, have you even like, had time to consider
that?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That's where I started, like when I was 18, I
moved out to Orlando and Istarted doing film acting Again.
There's like lots ofcommercials, there's student
films that you'll act in butnever really get the finished
copy.
Hey, I did that up in New Yorktoo, and I was like this is a
lot of trouble for nothing yeahbut I mean, if we find a film
crew here, I'd love to like getmy hands back into it.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I think there's some.
I mean I think I don't know,there's more of like
documentarian yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Speaking of docs, do you wanna talk about the
documentary we're working on?
What?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I don't know if we're allowed to talk about it yet.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
No, really, I know Okay.
So you guys have been filming.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, I mean we have a lot of content, but someone
specifically was filming for adocumentary at our last event.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, very interesting, so it's gonna be
submitted and be able to watchon the big screen.
So that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
More details to come, so it's somebody else like yeah
, came and filmed you guys andyou guys are part of whatever
they're doing.
Oh, yeah, Okay cool.
Yep, that sounds veryinteresting.
We'll stay tuned for that.
Stay tuned, okay.
And then, ellie, your Instagramname is Anana Muse and let's
hear about that.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Okay, yeah, there's a lot of lore back there for me
and I like what you were sayingabout like finding yourself,
because that's kind ofdefinitely like the root of it
too.
Yeah, so when I was 13, I lostall of my hair due to alopecia.
Oh, you did, mm-hmm.
And so just my adolescence, Ijust had so many identity crises
(23:54):
and just like severe depressionand just like didn't know
anything.
And then I traveled a wholebunch, saw a lot of live music
and found community in, like theGrappledead community, and then
, um, jesse's loving it.
Then I started to want to studymore about my Filipino heritage
(24:20):
, mm-hmm, and started to connectto that a lot more.
And then I found out that thereis like a cultural identity
crisis with Filipinos and somany other cultures due to
colonization.
You know, like we all feel thatyeah we all feel that.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
So it's like Were you feeling this in Hawaii or in
Philly or everywhere.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Um, philly, definitely yeah.
And then like even here, like Imaybe know, like two Filipino
people, Right right, like it'svery like
Speaker 1 (24:56):
rare.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, that I.
You know that we like get tomeet or something.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I feel that, like growing up here myself, I was
the only brown girl in class andyeah, and then back then,
before you guys were around,nothing on TV was like speaking
to that, nothing in the ads, youknow it was.
So, yeah, I could I feel whatyou're saying.
(25:23):
Like you end up feeling strange, but you're not, you know, and
so it might take a while forsomeone to sort of be okay
within themselves.
What made you be okay?
You were saying the music.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Music, yeah, and just creating, I mean, I feel like
that's what we do as artists.
We work through trauma withcreation, yeah, and even now,
you know, like as big as likecreating a community, creating a
home, so that, like we do feellike we have a place Cause we
built it.
You know, like it's, it's that,it's.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Do you feel like you've totally overcome that now
?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yes, yeah, I'm not.
I'm not the same person, anyone.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Have you guys ever done that like meditation, where
you go back and you speak toyour like childhood self, like
you speak to yourself, like youkind of?
Go into you know a meditationwhere you like put yourself in
the same room as like youryounger self and you kind of
like nurture you guys should trythat it's.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I've heard about that .
Yeah, yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
It's really cool.
I recently heard a story where,like a woman did that and she
had like a memory of somethingand it it like changed her life
because she remembers some ladycoming to her as a child and
then, and then she did thismeditation as an adult and she
realized that that lady was her.
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Wow, I know it was crazy tohear, but like powerful stuff
and what you were saying totallyreminded me of that.
It's, it's.
It's a thank you for sharingthat too, because when when
people see someone like you Imean you're so cute and you're
so like.
You guys are doing so much tothe community Nobody would ever
guess that you did this toovercome trauma.
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And here you are thriving.
And it's thank you for sharingthat because I think a lot of
people want to hear that,especially if people have been
through depression and stufflike it's hard and they don't
know how to get past it.
But there's, there's a light atthe end of the rainbow.
Right, there is, yeah.
What lessons have you guyslearned this past year that you
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might want to share with anybodyreally Cause you don't have to
be young to need, you know aspark of hope.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Mm-hmm.
Well, I guess creating the safespace was huge and important
for us and I guess, like tappinginto why we did it, yeah, the
community was so important.
Yeah, for both of us.
Like Ellie mentioned, likecreating that community or
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creating like that family orwhatever, I feel like we now
like have a home.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And I feel like a lot of people who regularly are
involved with space swap foundlike home and safety in it and
purpose.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Kind of just like being what, being what you need
to be for yourself.
You know, back to like thatinner child work that you were
just talking about you know likebeing who you needed to be as
well you know, like it's inthere, it's out there.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah.
Our younger selves would be soproud I love thinking about that
too, you know yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, that's a good place to be when you can say
that.
Yeah, do you ever go back tovisit Hawaii?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
It's been a really long time, but my fam has been
coming here.
Oh really, yeah, but you stillhave some there.
Oh yeah, like my dad, all myfamily only my immediate are
there in Tampa.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Do you have a take of what happened with the fires?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I do not, and I mean like I heard some things you
know like typical things.
I don't want to say likeconspiracies or theories or
whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Um, because I'm biased I'm from the island Like
we have like some kind ofunderstanding of how it feels to
be exploited and all that jazz.
So like it doesn't really likethe conspiracies and stuff that
I hear.
Like it doesn't really likesurprise me, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Do you kind of do you have any knowledge of what
really happened?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I don't just because we were here doing a Maui
fundraiser, actually like forthat time we collaborated with
like a whole bunch of O'Galleysmall businesses and some beach
side just to raise some moneyand just bring awareness to it,
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and even then that was kind oflike a hard topic for me to like
work on.
I bet Just because it was likeso close to home, yeah, so, and
like even now, you know likethere's a protest going on in
O'Galley right now, really forthe Maui fire, for a peaceful
protest for Palestine, oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Mm-hmm Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
So you know, we're so far away.
There's only so much we can do.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Right, but your family wasn't affected.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh, no, no, no, no, they're in Oahu.
So, they're like Pearl City,Pearl Harbor area.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Interesting.
I thought I'd ask because youdon't get the real news.
You almost want to.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You need to fish it out from people you know, and
it's interesting because I wouldask my dad and it's almost like
he didn't know.
I feel like everyone gets adifferent take of the news.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
But even the locals claim that too, like they're not
seeing it on their local newschannels.
Everything is so hush-hush.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So it does it begs the question.
Right, exactly, Time and space.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
There's a lot in between that can get
misconstrued, yeah a lot ofunanswered questions that, yeah,
unless you're the media, andthen they refuse to answer, so
ugh.
Can we talk about love a littlebit, ladies, love, what is
going on in your love life?
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I mean, I have to ask.
I know, ali, you have aboyfriend.
Yes, yeah, and it's been Good,yeah, for a year.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
So we met actually through music shows.
Okay, yeah.
So the first time we met on acouple of different occasions
His name is Ben Shout out Ben,hey, ben.
So yeah, I met him throughDoonies and his best friend is
Carter, the lead singer ofDoonies, and I would see him
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around and we talked for a whileone Halloween and I didn't
think I would see him again.
And then, sure enough, spaceCoast Music Fest happened and we
were running one of the stagesat New Visions full service
nursery.
We were doing the vinyl recordstage and we were a little
tucked away because there wassome construction happening with
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the new music venue beingestablished in EGAD, so not
everyone knew we were there.
But apparently Ben was lookingfor me because I told him we
were running one of the stages,so he was going around to the
different stages, kind of likeoh, I see her.
We were in space.
We ended up seeing him at ashow there and we bumped into
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each other.
We danced to the Doonies, ofcourse, and then, kind of like
you know, cinderella, I wasabout to turn back into a
pumpkin.
I had to go clean up a stageand he was like oh, I'll come
help you.
I was like, oh, he's helpful,okay, so he helps us.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
And he has been helpful.
I've seen him helpful Movingcouches for you, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Our boys have been like just the men behind the
curtain of space swap For sure,Helping us to who's your man.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
You're taken.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Can you want to share or no?
It's um.
Is it too new?
No, not at all, Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Um, it's just, it's a deep topic for me.
Oh really, Mm-hmm.
Okay, we'll leave it at that.
I'm just a big lover.
Okay, good, it's beautiful,it's fine, that's cute.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
So you girls are taken.
Yeah, do you girls know of anysingle men, though?
Do you guys have friends thatare single?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Uh sure, yeah, yeah, we do.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Just curious, because I feel like there's a lack of
connections being made andpeople want to make these
connections and uh you know,Jesse and I are kind of racking
our brains.
How can we help?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
We would love to do like a dating show or something.
Oh my gosh, that'd be so funyeah right, I think people would
go for it.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, but it's like, how do I, how do I reel them in?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
you know, Just do a little bit of vetting first.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, yeah and just through common interests.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know, just like make it organic Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Like that Ooh.
Yeah you guys are giving meideas.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
And lots of self-healing, like I wasn't able
to be in my relationship untilI was able to do a lot of
self-healing, change who I wasattracted to like the type of
people because I was constantlyattracting like that wounded.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yes, and it isn't until you like go to LA and get
your shit done and you come backand all of a sudden you are
magnetizing a different kind ofperson to your life, absolutely.
You're right, you do have to dothat work.
You have to go on that, thatfool's journey, you know and
then come back yourself.
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I mean who you are.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
And you guys have done that beautifully.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, and I feel like our loves compliment us,
because Ellie and I have a lotof like energy, like what did
you say?
We're like manifestinggenerators.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Oh, are you guys into that?
The human design.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Human design.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I think I'm a manifesting generator too.
Yeah, and I think our loves aregenerators Is that how you
would describe them?
So it has to be likecomplimentary that they would
give us like the support.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, Do they get along?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, yeah All of our boys get along.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, wait, what do you mean?
You have multiple boys.
Yeah, oh, is that what you werelooking to?
Oh, my goodness, I like that.
Make a blush.
Oh, cool, and they're cool withit.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, I mean, we're all adults.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Like we Are you guys in like a polyamorous, like
altogether.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
No, not really.
No, okay it's interestingbecause I don't really like to
label myself because love goesbeyond that.
You know, yeah, yeah, you know,but I don't know.
I guess it's just like mutualunderstandings of what we can be
for ourselves and what we canbe for the other.
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You know, yeah, while alsotaking time and prioritizing the
individual too, not like therelationship, but like the
individual separately within therelationship.
Do they get along?
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
It's not like they hang out, but they know of each
other.
Yes, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
That's super interesting.
Do you think that you're goingto continue to do that all your
life, or will you ever?
Do you guys ever see yourselvesgetting married traditionally?
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I don't know about marriage.
I know that my dreams Like nooffense to like the boys, but
like I have my own dreams.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Like I want land, I want a farm.
You know what I mean?
It's either like you're with itor you're not.
Yeah, and they are with it.
So it's like, yeah, let's dothis.
Yeah, let's team up.
Like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
What about you, ali?
I can only talk about it likethat but that's like my own like
heart in it.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, no, yeah, and they should all yeah, as long as
you guys all have the sameunderstanding, it's kind of
beautiful how many people areinvolved.
I'm sorry, but I just need toknow.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Currently two.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Okay, yeah, it's not like you got five, it's two,
that's good, not full-volume.
That would be a lot to dealwith, though, right.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, I mean ugh, but the amount of support I feel
like is just immaculate andthey've been like involved with
Space Swap and like thebehind-the-scenes.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, the both of them Like with sound and just
putting up all their skillsbuilding the stage.
Wow yeah.
So yeah, there's a true yeahyou guys have the man behind you
there is a purpose beyond ittoo, because they also believe
in the mission.
Yeah so we were able to like,bond with that and build that
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together.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Cool.
What about you, ali?
Are you going to get marriedsomeday?
Probably yeah, you want thetradition.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah, I think honestly I'm more like
traditional in that sphere.
I too went through a long phasewhere I didn't I was
questioning whether or not Iwanted marriage or kids.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
You know, I don't feel like one has to pick one,
especially as a woman, but kindof just seeing how things unfold
, I didn't really think I wantedmarriage until I met Ben.
So he's kind of changed a lotof perspectives on that, but I
totally feel Safe with him.
Yeah, that, like you know, he'ssuper sturdy.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Which is good.
Yeah, you know you want thatstabilization at some point.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah, so kids.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
You're open to that.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yeah, definitely, like I would love to have kids
one day, like that's always beena dream that I had to kind of
grieve and then come back to andwhat did you grieve it?
I grieved it because I, when,when I Felt like I had to pick
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career or family especiallyliving in a big city, you know,
I kind of was like career like110,000 percent.
Oh yeah, I would like sacrificeanything for it, but my ideals
have changed since coming homeand being around family and I'm
like well, you've conquered thecareer.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, definitely, but there's still a lot more to do,
of course.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Did you come from like comfort or did your family
struggle?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Um so Goodness.
There I mean that's where my.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I asked because that's where my drive came out
of yeah, like.
I saw.
I came from single mother and Isaw her work her ass off and so
I had to like step it up and,yeah, be a strong woman.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
So my parents god, I hope they don't watch this, um
they so they got divorced when Iwas pretty young.
So there was a heavy amount ofus like being raised by one
parent and there were a lot ofthings Like drinking addiction,
(41:37):
you know, mental health things,where I became very independent
at a young age and I have alwaysbeen working as an entrepreneur
.
I was like a bus boy at 15,entered food and beverage.
I was like running food at 17at coconuts, 18, moved out,
(41:59):
became a bartender, like for along time I Did not want to be
present in my home, mm-hmm.
So that's kind of where mydrive came from.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
So a lot of your events I actually none of your
events had alcohol in them.
Is that because am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
The Rockledge event had their bar and that was right
.
But you guys like oh tea, areyou guys like?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
So I grew up and maybe Jesse too in a generation
where they fed us the idea thatparty hard and.
You're gonna be cool.
I don't think that that'swhat's going on with the younger
generations, yeah we pushsobriety.
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Like it was like Yob sometimes you know like we want
to have fun, but the thing abouthaving a sober space is we're
focused on the music and the artrather than the drinking.
That's the intoxication, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, we're just.
That's refreshing though.
Yeah you know, I think a lot ofpeople my age are kind of
Stumbling out of what we werefed and are appreciating this
Lifestyle a little more.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Totally yeah, and I've been sober since October.
Really, yeah, this past October, yeah, ben and I do it together
Just to clean, flush out orjust just like a lifestyle.
Yeah like we're getting reallyinto, like being completely just
alcohol-free and some personalthings.
Good, personal things havehappened in my family where the
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family member like acceptedtreatment and I think they're
almost a month clean and it wassomething we had to do now, kind
of if I wanted to like continuehaving a relationship.
Yeah, so you're good role modelfor that.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Thank you, oh, my gosh, yes but it's been.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
It's been wild.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Just the amount of stuff that's just happened yeah
well, good things happen whenyou, when you're on the right
path, right.
That's how you know that youknow what you're doing is good
and I love the message that youguys bring to the table.
Is there anything else you guyswant to share?
Do you guys feel like soulsisters?
(44:20):
Yeah, yeah, like you guys havebeen around each other in
another life, maybe.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Maybe, Maybe what would we be doing?
I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Farming- Communiting living.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
I've said that like I like waking up early, like
maybe in a in a past life I wasa farmer.
Yeah, I'm about it.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Have you guys ever done any like stuff like that,
like tapped into your past life,regression or anything a?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
bit.
Yeah yeah, mostly when I meetSomeone that feels super
familiar.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, yeah, you'll go get a reading.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Oh no, I just like.
It's almost it's almost like amemory, you know, yeah, and to
me, like intuition andimagination are like really
really close together.
Yeah so I mean like you, I meanthere has to be discernment
with like everything, sure,obviously, but when something
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feels like a memory, that's a,that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
You guys are both kind of like spiritual.
How deep do you get into that?
Are we talking?
Do you guys practice tarot orAstrology?
You guys have talked about likeit's part of Kind of like your
vibe, your essence, but I don't.
How far does it go?
(45:45):
How witchy do you guys get?
I?
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Feel like I was a lot witch year before, okay,
without even knowing, and thenWithout me knowing, without me
claiming it, and then there wasa moment in time that was like
no, this is happening and youneed to Understand, or it's
gonna, or you won't be able tolike overcome right these things
(46:11):
.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
It's like you.
You have to develop, listeningto your intuition.
Yeah, yeah, because at first itjust I think when you're
younger it just sounds like avoice in your head that right it
does is nonsense.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
And it's gonna make you feel crazy.
Yeah, and that's the key, likeonce you get past that crazy and
then you have that clarity,yeah, then it's true, it's like.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Then you're like oh, whoever's in there.
Do you guys ever feel likewhoever's in there, isn't you
like it's like your buddy?
Hey, right, or am I crazy?
Speaker 3 (46:42):
No, totally I.
I like read a book on that andthat's interesting.
It's like that voice inside ofyour head and he was just kind
of like befriend it.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, I actually named it, Jennifer when I was a
kid really.
Yeah, when I was like five.
I'm having conversations and,and, and I I don't know why I
was compelled, like I alwaysunderstood that it wasn't me,
hmm, so I feel like that degreeof separation too is nice, so
that you can kind of be kind toyourself, yeah, yeah well, yeah,
(47:15):
because that there is anothervoice in my head.
That's really really mean and,and I think all of us have to
like you know, Learn how to shutthat one up.
Mm-hmm, if you're too likeself-critical, I just want to
ask you guys, before you go, acouple of swap related questions
.
Um, first of all, you guysalways dress so cute.
If you could swap wardrobeswith anybody, who would it be?
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You're like no one, because Ilove my clothes.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
I have an obsession with Haley Williams, the lead
singer of Paramore Redheadrepresentation, but she just
like came back like cover ofRolling Stone 2024 and she just
looks so good.
Yeah, yeah, she does the wholelike Professional but like a
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hint of like rock and roll.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, like business suits.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah, like cool business suits and she wears
like a tie and it's so like funand cool.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Androgynous is that the word yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What about you?
I don't know, my style is allover the place.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
I love it though.
Thank you, yeah, yeah okay, youdon't have to.
You don't have to swapwardrobes with anybody.
Okay, if you could swap a dayin the life of a historical
figure, who would it be?
And if there's like an actualevent that you would Want to be
a part of, or kind of see how itwent down, who would it be?
Speaker 3 (48:47):
These are good questions, nico.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
I try an event, historical figure like do you
guys feel tied to anybody inhistory?
Speaker 3 (48:58):
I Like Eleanor Roosevelt, just because she's
like a badass bitch.
Yeah, I hope I can say that onhere, and she says some pretty
cool stuff in history.
She was like ahead of her timesand she has this quote.
She has a lot of good quotes,but there's one where it's like
women are like tea, and I lovetea.
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It's like the hotter the water,the stronger you are.
I don't know, just touches alot of like happy points in my
brain.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
I'm like oh tea Strong women.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
OK, what about you, ellie?
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I don't know.
All I can think about is music.
Yeah, yeah, but uh, anyone'sspecific?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
There's historical music.
No, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
I'm just thinking like eras, like when, I don't
know, psychedelic rock was justcoming to be, you know, and it
was like a little fulky and likea little bluesy.
Like yeah and then there werelike parties, yeah yeah.
Yeah, cool, I kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
What about, like if you could swap a day of being a
fly on the wall?
Where would you go?
Who would you visit?
Who would you want to visit andsee like an intimate moment,
not sexual, but like?
You know, what does this persontalk about behind closed doors?
(50:28):
These are too hard for a Sundaymorning, huh.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
No, it's good.
It makes you think, yeah Turns.
Those wheels Lie on the wall ina room of someone.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
My mind is going everywhere.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Really yeah, tell us.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
First it was like somewhere that I can learn,
because, like, I want to be ableto like go to school, but I
don't know.
I feel like my attention spanto like try to do that again is
like a very short yeah.
But then it's even like whatsubject would I want to, because
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I'm just interested in so muchstuff.
And then it went to like asubmarine, which I don't know
why it's not like what's underthe ocean.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, maybe you want to know what's under there.
Kind of scary, but I knowthere's worlds under there.
What about, like, if you hadthe ability to swap a skill set
with each other?
What is something that youwould, you guys, admire about
each other?
Speaker 2 (51:40):
I'd want to be able to like how you come off like
that you're confident and you'rehappy to just be places Aw.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
I would want just a dash of how you see things, like
the creativity, like the wayyou can look at something and
it's just automaticallybeautiful.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
You guys are so sweet to each other.
If you can swap jobs withsomeone in a totally different
industry, what would you do?
Who would you swap with?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
I don't know.
I'm like kind of interested inlaw.
Ok, yeah, like an attorneybecause I like learning.
Yeah, like that sounds soboring and corporate.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
No, but like there's so many law loopholes that if
you knew them all, you wouldprobably be better off right.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
Or like the world would be better off, because I
feel like there, before spaceswap, I knew nothing about
politics and I still don't knowa lot, but I know that politics
heavily influence the amount ofchange we can make.
So I feel like if we had somereally solid like spear headers
(53:12):
of the changemaking that werelike not corrupt, yeah, yeah, we
need some cool politicians.
I know.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Well, one of my questions was if you could swap
a day being president, like,what kind of things would you
want to learn about Aliens?
Yeah right, what do you guysthink about the Miami alien
thing?
Speaker 3 (53:30):
Oh, what.
What is that oh?
Speaker 1 (53:32):
stop it.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
What Did we?
Speaker 1 (53:33):
not know something Like a portal opened in a Miami
mall recently.
What and like beings came out,beings, beings, interdimensional
, what, what there's this guy, 8to 10 feet, what.
There's a little bit of footage.
But then, like this kid got,like he had to like go into
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hiding.
Somebody blew up his likeapartment.
You guys need to look into that.
Oh my gosh, it just happenedand like all the police were
called out, like more policethan ever before, they stopped
airplane flights and all thisstuff and it's you know.
Obviously it's a conspiracytheory and nothing happened, but
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you guys got to look up thisguy's like account about it.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, thanks, stop.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
I'll leave you with that.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, well, it was lovely having you guys here.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Tell everybody your Instagram handles and where we
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We're also on Facebook and ourwebsite is spacewapcultureorg.
My personal handle isalexandercomera
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Yeah, that's us Allie and Allie, welcome to our show.
It's nice to have you girlshere.
You guys are the girls fromSpace Swap.
(00:21):
Yeah, you guys have createdquite a buzz around here in
Brevard and we're all curiousabout a lot of things, about how
it started and how it's going,and, yeah, we want to hear more.
But let me start out by how didyou guys meet?
Because you guys seem kind oflike a soul sister duo.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So we met through a mutual friend, Brittany Collins.
We first met at a birthdayparty and then we were having
like this profound conversationabout love and relationships.
And then Allie had to flee.
She just had to go somewhere.
And then there was some time inbetween and then Brittany hit
(01:06):
me up again and she was like hey, my friend's looking for an
artist and I'm like where is she?
Like I'm there, and then 10minutes later I meet Allie at
Pineapple Park in EGAD and we'replanning out the first Space
Swap event.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Pretty much.
Wow, when was that?
September of 2021.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Wow, and then it went from there.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Went from there, complete snowball.
But yeah, we were walkingaround the park and I was
showing her ideas.
And then she was showing meideas and we were like, oh, we
can put this tent here, we canput the clothing swap there.
So your ideas aligned.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, yeah, but Space Swap started as like a pop-up
place.
It wasn't until later that youguys got into the brick and
mortar, right?
Yes, how did that happen?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So we did our first Space Swap at Pineapple Park and
it was a clothing swap and thatwas kind of just.
We thought it was going to be aone-off thing at first, and
afterwards the response was, ohmy gosh, that was great.
Nothing like that is happeningaround here.
When is the next one?
And that's when we started kindof looking at each other and
(02:23):
we're like another one.
So I stored a bunch of clothingin my dad's living room I'm
sure he loved that and clothingracks and tents, and we just got
to work and never stoppedreally.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, yeah.
And then it snowballed intolike more events.
All sorts of events happened atthe brick and mortar, like tea
poetry.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
What else did you?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
guys have there.
You guys had musicians.
It was like all the time therewas something to do there.
You guys were thriving.
What happened?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So we did pop-ups from, I guess, september of 2021
until we got the keys One yearlater.
We actually celebrated ourone-year anniversary of space
swap as pop-ups in our brick andmortar as we were still
building out the space.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
We are actually coming up on two and a half
years of doing space swap as anonprofit as a whole.
But yeah, while we were in thespace we were able to just
accomplish so much in ourmission.
I don't know if you want tolike mention what our mission is
for new listeners?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yes, please do, because it is a.
It's like sustainable fashion,right, and that was like, but
then you guys just took it toother places.
Oh yeah, you said you were anartist.
Tell me about your background.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Oh gosh, did you grow up here?
I did not.
Okay, I was born and raised inHawaii and then I moved up to
Philly when I was like 10.
And then I came down here whenI was like 21.
Why did you come here?
My parents moved down.
It's just too cold up there.
Yeah, I'm like over it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know Too much snow, yeah, so your parents
moved down here when you were21?
.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, around there.
I stayed up there for like alittle longer and then and then
moved.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Okay, and then like schooling, or like what were you
doing then?
What were you doing before aspace swap?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Geez, I mean, I traveled a lot.
Spacefop was kind of like mefinally committing to Melbourne.
Really yeah and totally worthit.
You know, before I was workingat the living room I was like
front of house manager, I wasrunning the stage, and do you
remember the living room?
No, it's right across from it,was it?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
was right across from iron oak.
Yeah, it's no longer Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It's now that like bridal shop, but sweet little
spot, yeah.
So um, but I was always intophotography, always into video
work, but working at the livingroom, kind of like, brought me
into like production.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, you know like when you stage and stuff like
that.
So cool.
And then, ali, you have like aactual production background
right?
Yes, what were you doing before?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
space swap.
Before space swap, I moved toLA when I was 19 and I started
dabbling and acting and filmproduction and then I heavily
fell into film production as aproduction assistant, assistant
director, uh, second AD,basically the production side
and that basically trained mefor what later turned into like
(05:48):
event production?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yes, it's good for that.
What kind of stuff were youworking on in LA?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I did a lot of music videos, television shows, a
couple indie features, coolAnything.
I could really get work Right.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, what were the years you were there?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I was there from 2014 , I want to say maybe 2015 until
the pandemic.
And then I came home, okay, soyou did you grow up here?
I did, yeah.
What school did you go to?
I went to satellite.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Oh, you did Stingham, cool yeah.
So are you happy to be back?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I am because I feel like it's important for
someone's journey to go out intothe world and travel and learn.
I saw this quote and it waslike your 20s is for learning
and all these different things,because our whole life we're
living for other people, likeour parents or teachers.
And then it's like you get thisfreedom and it's like what are
(06:45):
you going to do with it?
So you go out into the forestand explore.
Exactly, and now I'm back and Iam happy to be here now because
I think there's so muchopportunity and it's nice to be
able to be a part of the growthhere.
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, which you guys did a lot of amazing things.
And now that you guys haveclosed up shop, what is next for
space swap?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Well, we have a couple of events in the works
right now.
Mm-hmm.
We're really just partneringwith other local businesses and
going back to our roots.
Whenever it seems like we don'tknow which direction to go in
for space swap, we just look atour roots and then it tells us
what to do.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Tell me about your roots, like.
What is the mission?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
So the mission is to stitch the community together
through sustainable fashion,music and the arts, and part of
our mission is sustainability.
So sustainability is more thanjust the ecosystem or pollution.
It's like we have to sustainourselves, we have to sustain
our community, and we can onlyreally give our best selves to
(07:59):
space swap if we're able tosustain ourselves as people,
sustain ourselves as artists.
So a lot of what we have beendoing for space swap is
volunteer work, and so we'retaking a season of learning how
to sustain ourselves better inorder to show up better for
space swap and we're able tostill do pop-ups and still do
(08:20):
this and still do that.
But being in the brick andmortar was like a whirlwind of
excitement and we I mean, havinga brick and mortar is no joke,
right?
You suddenly have all of theseresponsibilities you didn't have
before.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And there's still so much we want to do with our
lives, do with our time.
We still want to travel.
It's like really, you know, wekind of just like you guys
outgrew it, sure, but you had agood time in there.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And do you think you'll be?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
able to like replicate those kind of events
without the brick and mortar.
Also, what kind of businessesdo you want to collaborate with?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Those are good questions.
What do you think, Abby?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I think we can bring the vibe wherever.
Yeah, I think so too, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
And I think small businesses need that around here
.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
They appreciate the nuance that you guys bring
because it's fun what you guysdo.
What was your like favoriteevent that you guys threw at the
brick and mortar?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I think I could guess yours Is it.
Is it poetry?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I do love poetry.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, we did have a typewriter event.
That was one of the last events.
It was so cute.
I like decorated thetypewriters with like leaves and
stuff, I don't know, just gotto go in like that.
But yeah, my friend, brianZerajak, and Karissa from
(09:57):
Karissa's Bazaar, she has hercollection of typewriters and
she just brought it in andthey're all like vintage and
most of them worked and it wasjust like, and she let you guys
use them.
That's pretty nice.
Yeah, someone came in, was likewriting some bars down, you
know.
Yeah, he shared it with us.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It was pretty tight, you guys have a knack for for
getting big machines indifferent places.
Let's talk about that time.
You guys brought like 20 sewingmachines to an event.
Oh my gosh, can we look at thepictures?
I couldn't believe that youguys actually pulled that off,
because it was unbelievable.
(10:40):
So it was this sewing eventthat we see here.
All the machines were out.
There was like a big patch ofgrass where we were cutting
fabric.
There was music.
It was such like a Good girl,vibe, you know like, yeah, that
was such a sweet event.
Can you tell us more about it?
That was cool.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
So the idea was to do a sustainable bikini sewing
class, because a lot of timesbikinis are really expensive.
They are for this much fabric,exactly and we met a local
bikini maker Her name is Rebecca, from Honey Bikini and we
decided to collaborate and justgo for it.
(11:23):
And, yeah, this is our bikinisewing class.
It was such a beautiful day,thank you and you were a part of
that.
I was.
I'm in that picture.
I am.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
That's the day that I had just gotten a surgery
because Kim somber mercy.
I was talking to her, I likecornered her in a bathroom, like
how are you making your things?
Like tell me everything andshe's the best, and I didn't
know quite how to use it yet.
And, yeah, I came to this and Ilearned and you guys are so
(11:56):
inspirational and like to beable to be a part of this and
you know gain that skill or justlike you know, the Commodery
that you felt on these events.
It was nice, really nice.
Thank you, thank you girls, forfor putting all that stuff on,
and I wish I would have beenable to to go to more events,
and I'm I'm hoping you guys arestill gonna pop up here and
(12:16):
there.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
And the other thing about goingback to pop-ups more people
will be able to come.
Yeah, we're able to plan themfarther in advance.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
People will mark their calendars.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, and you know, that's just something that I
learned about.
Human nature is, I don't wantto say like the sparkle wears
off, but if, if, something is soreadily available, it's like
there's something enticing aboutit popping in and out, like one
day only type of exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Let's see another photo.
The what again tells the storybehind this photo.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So, yeah, that was our first big haul for recycling
all of the textiles that we hadcollected, Because that's a big
part of our mission right, youknow we rescued all these bags
of clothes, yeah throughout ourfour Clothing swaps that we had
(13:17):
in the first year.
Yeah we just had so muchclothes and we had to sort
through all of it to see what wewanted to keep, what was
sustainable, and then Justproperly recycle whatever we can
through American textilerecycling services out of
Orlando.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Oh yeah, so super proper cool way to go, girls,
and I think you guys documentedit all along the way.
You guys should check out theInstagram because it was so it
was great to see this wholeprocess go down.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, to date, we have recycled almost five
thousand pounds of clothing Holycow not in a landfill, so that
was part, huge part of themission.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Luckily, we've been able to give clothing away to
those in need.
We've partnered with otherlocal nonprofits, such as ways
for life, community of hope, newlife mission.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Oh good, so fantastic .
So do you guys still have likewarehouses full of stuff?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I yeah, there's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
There's a lot of stuff, yeah okay, good to know,
we'll be popping up.
We'll be popping up.
Oh wait, let's see that nextphoto.
So what was this?
This was um Glinch, it was rock.
This is this Rockledge Gardens.
I haven't been yet, but itlooks like an amazing space.
What did you guys do here?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So that was our biggest event yet, really, yeah,
there was about like 500 like500 people.
Wow, it was a free event we.
We sprawled out.
We had the clothing swap in thegreenhouse that shot right
there, so gorgeous, and then wehad a handful of bands play in
(14:59):
the like, the overhang, likelogi area over there by the bar.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I've never been, I have to go.
Yeah, you should.
Amazing.
And so how do these Clothingswaps work when you put them on?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Well, it adapted.
At first we tried to do aticket system.
That's what I was imagining,right, because Each item we
thought held like a differentvalue or this or that and so we
were trying to do tickets atfirst, but it evolved into just
donate a bag and then you canfill a bag.
So just simple simple swapping.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Literally just swapping and everybody was
pleased.
It was a win-win situation.
Oh good, yeah, that's so fun.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So we've gone through the mission.
Do we have any more photos?
Is this, was the your finalnight?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
this was our grand opening, oh.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Awesome, tell me about that night.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Wow, yeah, so we had Creek and East narrative play.
It was East narrative's firstshow, right, mm-hmm?
Yeah, we did a lot of firstshows at space swap, which is
really special, super amazing.
And now you guys have all thesemusicians like in your roster
our last show we had 23musicians, 10 vendors, a food
(16:25):
truck.
I mean people just coming outof the woodworks.
We posted hey, who wants toplay at space swap?
Last call, at our farewell fornow event, and I mean and shout
out to Jimmy jazz for runningthat literally 20, 23 bands.
Yeah, that was a lot yeah, butit was great.
(16:47):
Yeah, he did Cool.
That was like a 14 15 hour aday.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, oh, my god.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, you guys were going.
What time did you guys wrap up?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, we thought we were behind and then it
literally just lined upperfectly.
Wow, the speed spirits.
Speed spirits went on at oneand like we ended at two, right
when we said you know, it wasour hundredth event Like it was
just so perfect.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, what do you guys look for it when you're,
when you're scouting formusicians?
They kind of find us.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah, and I love that.
You know, we want to work withpeople who want to work with us.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, yeah, period, you guys have like a Like, a
vision, like someone that youwould want to work with, that
you haven't yet goodness, I feellike we've worked with all of
everyone or another.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, towards the end , we started working with more
like kid bands, so like highschool kids that are like just
getting into music.
We're just wanting to pop upand have a show.
How's that?
How did that go Good?
So there's this kid, mark.
He threw space ghost battle ofthe bands.
I think he's like 19, but he, alot of his circle, are like
(18:09):
younger bands, punk bands likeTeenagers.
Yeah and so that's honestlylike Even younger than us, like
the even younger generation ofthe music scene in Brevard.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
That's so rad that you guys are tapping into that,
yeah and I'm sure they areappreciative too.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, it was cool, yeah.
And then we have worked with alot of people who have traveled,
like we've worked with peoplefrom Jacksonville, lots of I
think, like how many bands fivedifferent bands from down south
South Florida, we had one fromMiami.
We've had people fromGainesville come out, so people
(18:48):
traveled to play at space.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
They all contact you.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, you guys did like a total.
I mean, yeah, you guys arewell-known not only in this
county but and beyond.
Yeah, do you will, you guysever do pop up beyond.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Brevard, it would probably be a big one.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, like a full festival Probably.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, that'd be cool.
You guys, you think you have itin you to make up a full
festival.
I mean, we have, you've alreadydone it.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, I mean, rockledge Gardens was pretty
much a festival you know we hadthe music.
We had the art and the clothingswap.
So that's like three hugesectors.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, plus the drum circle, I mean it was pretty big
, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So thanks to our volunteers and also just the
people who that we were able tocollaborate with, yeah, like
that's kind of like the key toit, I think collaboration.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, yeah, because everybody wants, has to want to
be there for it to work.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, and we do our best to try to take care of
everyone the best we can.
Sure, and it's just thiscamaraderie and this ecosystem
of people doing it for thepassion and for the love of art
and they understand that, likewe all have the same goal,
mm-hmm, so that's really cool totap into.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, totally Mm-hmm.
Nice, ali is an artist ofempathy, is what Ellie said.
Yes, talk about that.
What is that me an?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
artist of empathy.
So I have a background inacting in theater right and it's
interesting because when Istarted really diving into my
craft, really breaking it down,art is Empathy and the art of
acting, to me, is the art ofempathy and being able to really
(20:38):
authentically emote and Feelwhat it is that the character
that you're portraying felt andtap into your own body and so,
like when I was taking actingclasses, that's really when,
like, I got kind of likeSpiritual and I was journaling
and I was trying to tap into,like who is Ali and learning
(21:02):
that, like when you become abetter, like transformed version
of yourself, you become betterat your craft, whatever that is.
So it was a whole like journey.
But yeah, that's what I have onmy Instagram is that I'm an
artist of empathy, becausereally that's so important.
Do you miss acting?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I do.
Yeah, why don't you join some?
You know there's plays.
I'm going to all the HennigarhCenter plays, by the way.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Have you tapped into the?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
looking into yeah, continuing that skill up here in
Brevard.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, I do a lot of straight acting so I notice a
lot of local centers do a lot ofLike musical theater and stuff.
Specifically, film is more ofmy thing.
So film, like on camera acting,is a little bit different than
the theater.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yes, you're right.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
If I mean, if there's like a film scene, maybe we'll
start a film scene.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, I know If there's anybody that can do what
it's you to.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, then I mean I would be, I would be so just
like elated to what aboutOrlando?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Have you, have you even like, had time to consider
that?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That's where I started, like when I was 18, I
moved out to Orlando and Istarted doing film acting Again.
There's like lots ofcommercials, there's student
films that you'll act in butnever really get the finished
copy.
Hey, I did that up in New Yorktoo, and I was like this is a
lot of trouble for nothing yeahbut I mean, if we find a film
crew here, I'd love to like getmy hands back into it.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I think there's some.
I mean I think I don't know,there's more of like
documentarian yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Speaking of docs, do you wanna talk about the
documentary we're working on?
What?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I don't know if we're allowed to talk about it yet.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
No, really, I know Okay.
So you guys have been filming.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, I mean we have a lot of content, but someone
specifically was filming for adocumentary at our last event.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, very interesting, so it's gonna be
submitted and be able to watchon the big screen.
So that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
More details to come, so it's somebody else like yeah
, came and filmed you guys andyou guys are part of whatever
they're doing.
Oh, yeah, Okay cool.
Yep, that sounds veryinteresting.
We'll stay tuned for that.
Stay tuned, okay.
And then, ellie, your Instagramname is Anana Muse and let's
hear about that.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Okay, yeah, there's a lot of lore back there for me
and I like what you were sayingabout like finding yourself,
because that's kind ofdefinitely like the root of it
too.
Yeah, so when I was 13, I lostall of my hair due to alopecia.
Oh, you did, mm-hmm.
And so just my adolescence, Ijust had so many identity crises
(23:54):
and just like severe depressionand just like didn't know
anything.
And then I traveled a wholebunch, saw a lot of live music
and found community in, like theGrappledead community, and then
, um, jesse's loving it.
Then I started to want to studymore about my Filipino heritage
(24:20):
, mm-hmm, and started to connectto that a lot more.
And then I found out that thereis like a cultural identity
crisis with Filipinos and somany other cultures due to
colonization.
You know, like we all feel thatyeah we all feel that.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
So it's like Were you feeling this in Hawaii or in
Philly or everywhere.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Um, philly, definitely yeah.
And then like even here, like Imaybe know, like two Filipino
people, Right right, like it'svery like
Speaker 1 (24:56):
rare.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, that I.
You know that we like get tomeet or something.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I feel that, like growing up here myself, I was
the only brown girl in class andyeah, and then back then,
before you guys were around,nothing on TV was like speaking
to that, nothing in the ads, youknow it was.
So, yeah, I could I feel whatyou're saying.
(25:23):
Like you end up feeling strange, but you're not, you know, and
so it might take a while forsomeone to sort of be okay
within themselves.
What made you be okay?
You were saying the music.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Music, yeah, and just creating, I mean, I feel like
that's what we do as artists.
We work through trauma withcreation, yeah, and even now,
you know, like as big as likecreating a community, creating a
home, so that, like we do feellike we have a place Cause we
built it.
You know, like it's, it's that,it's.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Do you feel like you've totally overcome that now
?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yes, yeah, I'm not.
I'm not the same person, anyone.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Have you guys ever done that like meditation, where
you go back and you speak toyour like childhood self, like
you speak to yourself, like youkind of?
Go into you know a meditationwhere you like put yourself in
the same room as like youryounger self and you kind of
like nurture you guys should trythat it's.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I've heard about that .
Yeah, yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
It's really cool.
I recently heard a story where,like a woman did that and she
had like a memory of somethingand it it like changed her life
because she remembers some ladycoming to her as a child and
then, and then she did thismeditation as an adult and she
realized that that lady was her.
(26:58):
Wow, I know it was crazy tohear, but like powerful stuff
and what you were saying totallyreminded me of that.
It's, it's.
It's a thank you for sharingthat too, because when when
people see someone like you Imean you're so cute and you're
so like.
You guys are doing so much tothe community Nobody would ever
guess that you did this toovercome trauma.
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And here you are thriving.
And it's thank you for sharingthat because I think a lot of
people want to hear that,especially if people have been
through depression and stufflike it's hard and they don't
know how to get past it.
But there's, there's a light atthe end of the rainbow.
Right, there is, yeah.
What lessons have you guyslearned this past year that you
(27:42):
might want to share with anybodyreally Cause you don't have to
be young to need, you know aspark of hope.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Mm-hmm.
Well, I guess creating the safespace was huge and important
for us and I guess, like tappinginto why we did it, yeah, the
community was so important.
Yeah, for both of us.
Like Ellie mentioned, likecreating that community or
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creating like that family orwhatever, I feel like we now
like have a home.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And I feel like a lot of people who regularly are
involved with space swap foundlike home and safety in it and
purpose.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Kind of just like being what, being what you need
to be for yourself.
You know, back to like thatinner child work that you were
just talking about you know likebeing who you needed to be as
well you know, like it's inthere, it's out there.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah.
Our younger selves would be soproud I love thinking about that
too, you know yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, that's a good place to be when you can say
that.
Yeah, do you ever go back tovisit Hawaii?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
It's been a really long time, but my fam has been
coming here.
Oh really, yeah, but you stillhave some there.
Oh yeah, like my dad, all myfamily only my immediate are
there in Tampa.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Do you have a take of what happened with the fires?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I do not, and I mean like I heard some things you
know like typical things.
I don't want to say likeconspiracies or theories or
whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Um, because I'm biased I'm from the island Like
we have like some kind ofunderstanding of how it feels to
be exploited and all that jazz.
So like it doesn't really likethe conspiracies and stuff that
I hear.
Like it doesn't really likesurprise me, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Do you kind of do you have any knowledge of what
really happened?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I don't just because we were here doing a Maui
fundraiser, actually like forthat time we collaborated with
like a whole bunch of O'Galleysmall businesses and some beach
side just to raise some moneyand just bring awareness to it,
(30:35):
and even then that was kind oflike a hard topic for me to like
work on.
I bet Just because it was likeso close to home, yeah, so, and
like even now, you know likethere's a protest going on in
O'Galley right now, really forthe Maui fire, for a peaceful
protest for Palestine, oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Mm-hmm Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
So you know, we're so far away.
There's only so much we can do.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Right, but your family wasn't affected.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh, no, no, no, no, they're in Oahu.
So, they're like Pearl City,Pearl Harbor area.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Interesting.
I thought I'd ask because youdon't get the real news.
You almost want to.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You need to fish it out from people you know, and
it's interesting because I wouldask my dad and it's almost like
he didn't know.
I feel like everyone gets adifferent take of the news.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
But even the locals claim that too, like they're not
seeing it on their local newschannels.
Everything is so hush-hush.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So it does it begs the question.
Right, exactly, Time and space.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
There's a lot in between that can get
misconstrued, yeah a lot ofunanswered questions that, yeah,
unless you're the media, andthen they refuse to answer, so
ugh.
Can we talk about love a littlebit, ladies, love, what is
going on in your love life?
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I mean, I have to ask.
I know, ali, you have aboyfriend.
Yes, yeah, and it's been Good,yeah, for a year.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
So we met actually through music shows.
Okay, yeah.
So the first time we met on acouple of different occasions
His name is Ben Shout out Ben,hey, ben.
So yeah, I met him throughDoonies and his best friend is
Carter, the lead singer ofDoonies, and I would see him
(32:31):
around and we talked for a whileone Halloween and I didn't
think I would see him again.
And then, sure enough, spaceCoast Music Fest happened and we
were running one of the stagesat New Visions full service
nursery.
We were doing the vinyl recordstage and we were a little
tucked away because there wassome construction happening with
(32:53):
the new music venue beingestablished in EGAD, so not
everyone knew we were there.
But apparently Ben was lookingfor me because I told him we
were running one of the stages,so he was going around to the
different stages, kind of likeoh, I see her.
We were in space.
We ended up seeing him at ashow there and we bumped into
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each other.
We danced to the Doonies, ofcourse, and then, kind of like
you know, cinderella, I wasabout to turn back into a
pumpkin.
I had to go clean up a stageand he was like oh, I'll come
help you.
I was like, oh, he's helpful,okay, so he helps us.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
And he has been helpful.
I've seen him helpful Movingcouches for you, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Our boys have been like just the men behind the
curtain of space swap For sure,Helping us to who's your man.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
You're taken.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Can you want to share or no?
It's um.
Is it too new?
No, not at all, Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Um, it's just, it's a deep topic for me.
Oh really, Mm-hmm.
Okay, we'll leave it at that.
I'm just a big lover.
Okay, good, it's beautiful,it's fine, that's cute.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
So you girls are taken.
Yeah, do you girls know of anysingle men, though?
Do you guys have friends thatare single?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Uh sure, yeah, yeah, we do.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Just curious, because I feel like there's a lack of
connections being made andpeople want to make these
connections and uh you know,Jesse and I are kind of racking
our brains.
How can we help?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
We would love to do like a dating show or something.
Oh my gosh, that'd be so funyeah right, I think people would
go for it.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, but it's like, how do I, how do I reel them in?
Speaker 3 (34:54):
you know, Just do a little bit of vetting first.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, yeah and just through common interests.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know, just like make it organic Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Like that Ooh.
Yeah you guys are giving meideas.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
And lots of self-healing, like I wasn't able
to be in my relationship untilI was able to do a lot of
self-healing, change who I wasattracted to like the type of
people because I was constantlyattracting like that wounded.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yes, and it isn't until you like go to LA and get
your shit done and you come backand all of a sudden you are
magnetizing a different kind ofperson to your life, absolutely.
You're right, you do have to dothat work.
You have to go on that, thatfool's journey, you know and
then come back yourself.
(35:43):
I mean who you are.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
And you guys have done that beautifully.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, and I feel like our loves compliment us,
because Ellie and I have a lotof like energy, like what did
you say?
We're like manifestinggenerators.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Oh, are you guys into that?
The human design.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Human design.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I think I'm a manifesting generator too.
Yeah, and I think our loves aregenerators Is that how you
would describe them?
So it has to be likecomplimentary that they would
give us like the support.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, Do they get along?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, yeah All of our boys get along.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, wait, what do you mean?
You have multiple boys.
Yeah, oh, is that what you werelooking to?
Oh, my goodness, I like that.
Make a blush.
Oh, cool, and they're cool withit.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, I mean, we're all adults.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Like we Are you guys in like a polyamorous, like
altogether.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
No, not really.
No, okay it's interestingbecause I don't really like to
label myself because love goesbeyond that.
You know, yeah, yeah, you know,but I don't know.
I guess it's just like mutualunderstandings of what we can be
for ourselves and what we canbe for the other.
(37:12):
You know, yeah, while alsotaking time and prioritizing the
individual too, not like therelationship, but like the
individual separately within therelationship.
Do they get along?
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
It's not like they hang out, but they know of each
other.
Yes, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
That's super interesting.
Do you think that you're goingto continue to do that all your
life, or will you ever?
Do you guys ever see yourselvesgetting married traditionally?
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I don't know about marriage.
I know that my dreams Like nooffense to like the boys, but
like I have my own dreams.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Like I want land, I want a farm.
You know what I mean?
It's either like you're with itor you're not.
Yeah, and they are with it.
So it's like, yeah, let's dothis.
Yeah, let's team up.
Like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
What about you, ali?
I can only talk about it likethat but that's like my own like
heart in it.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, no, yeah, and they should all yeah, as long as
you guys all have the sameunderstanding, it's kind of
beautiful how many people areinvolved.
I'm sorry, but I just need toknow.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Currently two.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Okay, yeah, it's not like you got five, it's two,
that's good, not full-volume.
That would be a lot to dealwith, though, right.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, I mean ugh, but the amount of support I feel
like is just immaculate andthey've been like involved with
Space Swap and like thebehind-the-scenes.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, the both of them Like with sound and just
putting up all their skillsbuilding the stage.
Wow yeah.
So yeah, there's a true yeahyou guys have the man behind you
there is a purpose beyond ittoo, because they also believe
in the mission.
Yeah so we were able to like,bond with that and build that
(39:10):
together.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Cool.
What about you, ali?
Are you going to get marriedsomeday?
Probably yeah, you want thetradition.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah, I think honestly I'm more like
traditional in that sphere.
I too went through a long phasewhere I didn't I was
questioning whether or not Iwanted marriage or kids.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
You know, I don't feel like one has to pick one,
especially as a woman, but kindof just seeing how things unfold
, I didn't really think I wantedmarriage until I met Ben.
So he's kind of changed a lotof perspectives on that, but I
totally feel Safe with him.
Yeah, that, like you know, he'ssuper sturdy.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Which is good.
Yeah, you know you want thatstabilization at some point.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah, so kids.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
You're open to that.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yeah, definitely, like I would love to have kids
one day, like that's always beena dream that I had to kind of
grieve and then come back to andwhat did you grieve it?
I grieved it because I, when,when I Felt like I had to pick
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career or family especiallyliving in a big city, you know,
I kind of was like career like110,000 percent.
Oh yeah, I would like sacrificeanything for it, but my ideals
have changed since coming homeand being around family and I'm
like well, you've conquered thecareer.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, definitely, but there's still a lot more to do,
of course.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Did you come from like comfort or did your family
struggle?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Um so Goodness.
There I mean that's where my.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I asked because that's where my drive came out
of yeah, like.
I saw.
I came from single mother and Isaw her work her ass off and so
I had to like step it up and,yeah, be a strong woman.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
So my parents god, I hope they don't watch this, um
they so they got divorced when Iwas pretty young.
So there was a heavy amount ofus like being raised by one
parent and there were a lot ofthings Like drinking addiction,
(41:37):
you know, mental health things,where I became very independent
at a young age and I have alwaysbeen working as an entrepreneur
.
I was like a bus boy at 15,entered food and beverage.
I was like running food at 17at coconuts, 18, moved out,
(41:59):
became a bartender, like for along time I Did not want to be
present in my home, mm-hmm.
So that's kind of where mydrive came from.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
So a lot of your events I actually none of your
events had alcohol in them.
Is that because am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
The Rockledge event had their bar and that was right
.
But you guys like oh tea, areyou guys like?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
So I grew up and maybe Jesse too in a generation
where they fed us the idea thatparty hard and.
You're gonna be cool.
I don't think that that'swhat's going on with the younger
generations, yeah we pushsobriety.
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Like it was like Yob sometimes you know like we want
to have fun, but the thing abouthaving a sober space is we're
focused on the music and the artrather than the drinking.
That's the intoxication, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, we're just.
That's refreshing though.
Yeah you know, I think a lot ofpeople my age are kind of
Stumbling out of what we werefed and are appreciating this
Lifestyle a little more.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Totally yeah, and I've been sober since October.
Really, yeah, this past October, yeah, ben and I do it together
Just to clean, flush out orjust just like a lifestyle.
Yeah like we're getting reallyinto, like being completely just
alcohol-free and some personalthings.
Good, personal things havehappened in my family where the
(43:34):
family member like acceptedtreatment and I think they're
almost a month clean and it wassomething we had to do now, kind
of if I wanted to like continuehaving a relationship.
Yeah, so you're good role modelfor that.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Thank you, oh, my gosh, yes but it's been.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
It's been wild.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Just the amount of stuff that's just happened yeah
well, good things happen whenyou, when you're on the right
path, right.
That's how you know that youknow what you're doing is good
and I love the message that youguys bring to the table.
Is there anything else you guyswant to share?
Do you guys feel like soulsisters?
(44:20):
Yeah, yeah, like you guys havebeen around each other in
another life, maybe.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Maybe, Maybe what would we be doing?
I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Farming- Communiting living.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
I've said that like I like waking up early, like
maybe in a in a past life I wasa farmer.
Yeah, I'm about it.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Have you guys ever done any like stuff like that,
like tapped into your past life,regression or anything a?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
bit.
Yeah yeah, mostly when I meetSomeone that feels super
familiar.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, yeah, you'll go get a reading.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Oh no, I just like.
It's almost it's almost like amemory, you know, yeah, and to
me, like intuition andimagination are like really
really close together.
Yeah so I mean like you, I meanthere has to be discernment
with like everything, sure,obviously, but when something
(45:19):
feels like a memory, that's a,that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
You guys are both kind of like spiritual.
How deep do you get into that?
Are we talking?
Do you guys practice tarot orAstrology?
You guys have talked about likeit's part of Kind of like your
vibe, your essence, but I don't.
How far does it go?
(45:45):
How witchy do you guys get?
I?
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Feel like I was a lot witch year before, okay,
without even knowing, and thenWithout me knowing, without me
claiming it, and then there wasa moment in time that was like
no, this is happening and youneed to Understand, or it's
gonna, or you won't be able tolike overcome right these things
(46:11):
.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
It's like you.
You have to develop, listeningto your intuition.
Yeah, yeah, because at first itjust I think when you're
younger it just sounds like avoice in your head that right it
does is nonsense.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
And it's gonna make you feel crazy.
Yeah, and that's the key, likeonce you get past that crazy and
then you have that clarity,yeah, then it's true, it's like.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Then you're like oh, whoever's in there.
Do you guys ever feel likewhoever's in there, isn't you
like it's like your buddy?
Hey, right, or am I crazy?
Speaker 3 (46:42):
No, totally I.
I like read a book on that andthat's interesting.
It's like that voice inside ofyour head and he was just kind
of like befriend it.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, I actually named it, Jennifer when I was a
kid really.
Yeah, when I was like five.
I'm having conversations and,and, and I I don't know why I
was compelled, like I alwaysunderstood that it wasn't me,
hmm, so I feel like that degreeof separation too is nice, so
that you can kind of be kind toyourself, yeah, yeah well, yeah,
(47:15):
because that there is anothervoice in my head.
That's really really mean and,and I think all of us have to
like you know, Learn how to shutthat one up.
Mm-hmm, if you're too likeself-critical, I just want to
ask you guys, before you go, acouple of swap related questions
.
Um, first of all, you guysalways dress so cute.
If you could swap wardrobeswith anybody, who would it be?
(47:40):
You're like no one, because Ilove my clothes.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
I have an obsession with Haley Williams, the lead
singer of Paramore Redheadrepresentation, but she just
like came back like cover ofRolling Stone 2024 and she just
looks so good.
Yeah, yeah, she does the wholelike Professional but like a
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hint of like rock and roll.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, like business suits.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah, like cool business suits and she wears
like a tie and it's so like funand cool.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Androgynous is that the word yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What about you?
I don't know, my style is allover the place.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
I love it though.
Thank you, yeah, yeah okay, youdon't have to.
You don't have to swapwardrobes with anybody.
Okay, if you could swap a dayin the life of a historical
figure, who would it be?
And if there's like an actualevent that you would Want to be
a part of, or kind of see how itwent down, who would it be?
Speaker 3 (48:47):
These are good questions, nico.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
I try an event, historical figure like do you
guys feel tied to anybody inhistory?
Speaker 3 (48:58):
I Like Eleanor Roosevelt, just because she's
like a badass bitch.
Yeah, I hope I can say that onhere, and she says some pretty
cool stuff in history.
She was like ahead of her timesand she has this quote.
She has a lot of good quotes,but there's one where it's like
women are like tea, and I lovetea.
(49:19):
It's like the hotter the water,the stronger you are.
I don't know, just touches alot of like happy points in my
brain.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
I'm like oh tea Strong women.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
OK, what about you, ellie?
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I don't know.
All I can think about is music.
Yeah, yeah, but uh, anyone'sspecific?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
There's historical music.
No, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
I'm just thinking like eras, like when, I don't
know, psychedelic rock was justcoming to be, you know, and it
was like a little fulky and likea little bluesy.
Like yeah and then there werelike parties, yeah yeah.
Yeah, cool, I kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
What about, like if you could swap a day of being a
fly on the wall?
Where would you go?
Who would you visit?
Who would you want to visit andsee like an intimate moment,
not sexual, but like?
You know, what does this persontalk about behind closed doors?
(50:28):
These are too hard for a Sundaymorning, huh.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
No, it's good.
It makes you think, yeah Turns.
Those wheels Lie on the wall ina room of someone.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
My mind is going everywhere.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Really yeah, tell us.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
First it was like somewhere that I can learn,
because, like, I want to be ableto like go to school, but I
don't know.
I feel like my attention spanto like try to do that again is
like a very short yeah.
But then it's even like whatsubject would I want to, because
(51:11):
I'm just interested in so muchstuff.
And then it went to like asubmarine, which I don't know
why it's not like what's underthe ocean.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, maybe you want to know what's under there.
Kind of scary, but I knowthere's worlds under there.
What about, like, if you hadthe ability to swap a skill set
with each other?
What is something that youwould, you guys, admire about
each other?
Speaker 2 (51:40):
I'd want to be able to like how you come off like
that you're confident and you'rehappy to just be places Aw.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
I would want just a dash of how you see things, like
the creativity, like the wayyou can look at something and
it's just automaticallybeautiful.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
You guys are so sweet to each other.
If you can swap jobs withsomeone in a totally different
industry, what would you do?
Who would you swap with?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
I don't know.
I'm like kind of interested inlaw.
Ok, yeah, like an attorneybecause I like learning.
Yeah, like that sounds soboring and corporate.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
No, but like there's so many law loopholes that if
you knew them all, you wouldprobably be better off right.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
Or like the world would be better off, because I
feel like there, before spaceswap, I knew nothing about
politics and I still don't knowa lot, but I know that politics
heavily influence the amount ofchange we can make.
So I feel like if we had somereally solid like spear headers
(53:12):
of the changemaking that werelike not corrupt, yeah, yeah, we
need some cool politicians.
I know.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Well, one of my questions was if you could swap
a day being president, like,what kind of things would you
want to learn about Aliens?
Yeah right, what do you guysthink about the Miami alien
thing?
Speaker 3 (53:30):
Oh, what.
What is that oh?
Speaker 1 (53:32):
stop it.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
What Did we?
Speaker 1 (53:33):
not know something Like a portal opened in a Miami
mall recently.
What and like beings came out,beings, beings, interdimensional
, what, what there's this guy, 8to 10 feet, what.
There's a little bit of footage.
But then, like this kid got,like he had to like go into
(53:55):
hiding.
Somebody blew up his likeapartment.
You guys need to look into that.
Oh my gosh, it just happenedand like all the police were
called out, like more policethan ever before, they stopped
airplane flights and all thisstuff and it's you know.
Obviously it's a conspiracytheory and nothing happened, but
(54:18):
you guys got to look up thisguy's like account about it.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, thanks, stop.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
I'll leave you with that.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, well, it was lovely having you guys here.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Tell everybody your Instagram handles and where we
can find what's to come forSpace Swap.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
So you can find Space Swap at space underscore swap
on Instagram.
We're also on Facebook and ourwebsite is spacewapcultureorg.
My personal handle isalexandercomera
a-l-e-x-a-n-d-r-a-k-o-m-a-r-a.
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