December 3, 2021 • 49 mins
Almost two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, what higher lessons have we learned?
Dan, Suzana, and Flavio stop to reflect on mental health, virtual meetings, self-sufficiency, fear of death, and more.
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Dan Assisi (00:12):
Welcome everyone to another edition of Spiritist Conversations.
A show where we sit down withfriends to talk about things through
a spiritist lens, an informalunscripted and unplugged way.
Today, we are going to look backin time and think about the lessons
from the pandemic that we have alllearned over these past two years.
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And to do that, I have the peoplewho really make the show fun.
I have Flavio and Susanna herewith us today, so I want to bring
them so that we can all say hello.
Hi guys, how are you guys doing?
Suzana Simões (00:47):
Hi Dan.
Hi Flavio.
Good to see you guys.
Flavio Zanetti (00:51):
Yeah, doing fantastic, Dan and Suzana, It's always a
pleasure to see you guys here live.
Dan Assisi (00:57):
Well, can you guys believe it?
It's December already of 2021 ina couple of more weeks, we are
going to be in a whole new year.
Flavio Zanetti (01:04):
2022.
Yes.
Suzana Simões (01:07):
Ubelievable.
Flavio Zanetti (01:09):
Time flies when you're having fun.
Suzana Simões (01:13):
Oh, when you were in a world of trial and
expiation then really flies.
Dan Assisi (01:18):
I'm just going to go with it flies when you're getting old.
But anyways, getting old is amandatory growing up is optional.
So I'm going to maintain myyouthfulness, at least cling onto it
and believe that we're going to be ok.
, but it's great to be with you guys here.
And I couldn't think of a better teamto reflect a little bit about what these
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past two years basically have looked like.
Ever since March of, I think 2020, we haveall been emerged in this new world order.
This new pandemic that has brought usanxiety has brought us fear and of course
has brought us a lot of hurt becausewe have lost people, we have worried
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about people, and it has really shiftedthe way we think about things, so I
think that it will take a little bitof time for us to really figure things
out, still, about what is it all mean?
And from a bigger historicalperspective, but I wonder, if there's
an opportunity for us to talk a littlebit about what are the things that
we have learned from the pandemic.
What are the lessons that we can takeaway from more of a spiritual perspective?
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What are you guys think?
Suzana Simões (02:27):
Yeah, perhaps that we are still learning, as you
said, it's an ongoing process.
So I know Flavio was ready to jump in,but since I have the word, I will share
my initial thoughts, which I'm goingto actually start from where we are
right now, right within the pandemic.
I was just having a conversation withmy wife this week as we were having
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breakfast and reading the paper aboutthe new variant and we were discussing
an article that talk about thediscrepancies with the vaccination and
what happens when we leave someone behind.
And I don't think this is the goal of ourconversation to go into, what went on that
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an entire country was like left behind.
But the fact is that I was talking toher and said, if this is not a lesson
to be learned, that can be translated toevery single aspect of our daily lives
where if we want to be well healthyand happy, we cannot do it alone.
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So we have to include everyone.
So our neighbor needs to be seenus an extension of us the same way
we see that in our family, like ourbrother and sister, if he or she is
in need , or our parents, we go outof our way because it is our family.
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And we don't call that charity, we callthat our natural duty to attend to the
needs of those who we consider ours.
So what the pandemic is showing us,one of the things is that every one is
ours and we must expand this concept offamily to every single person, because we
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are all brothers and sisters under God.
And it's not about being charitable.
It's about penny to our human duty andrecognizing that every single person
in this planet is deserving of the samelevel of attention, the same level of
care, and this is the only way, together,not ever leaving anyone behind that.
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We'll get to a place where one day Godwilling, and God is willing, we'll call
this planet a planet of regeneration.
Flavio Zanetti (05:03):
What I'm hearing Susanna from you is, I think
we've touched this a little bit.
When we talked about the Black LivesMatter episode of our conversations
where we mentioned that there's amovement ran out in the world where
we see folks testing to the fact thatuntil the world is good for everybody,
it's not a good world for anybody.
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And we call it an action forus to think about others, the
way we think about ourselves.
And if you look back, this is the utmostimportant message that Christ left for
us to really think about our siblings ourbrothers and sisters, humanity in general,
as we need an extension on our family.
I think that's a very interesting pointbecause it's several parts of history
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or, or we, how we're living right now,that's pointing us to that direction.
That's how I saw and I wantto compliment your comments.
Dan Assisi (05:57):
I love that.
And I think that is a key piece to allof this, so I, I love that awareness
and I love that way that you put it too.
So it's not that it's anice thing to do anymore.
I think we're being show by nature,we have to care for each other.
And I think that's one of the key lessons.
I think we're learning thatnobody wins until everybody wins.
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There is no individual victory over COVID.
I like the fact that you might havesurvived COVID does not mean that you
really are well or healthy, and happy.
Cause our happiness, we're learning,has a lot to do with, of course who
we are, but also making sure thatthe folks around us are okay too.
So I think it's a really beautifulthing that we are going to continue
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to struggle with for awhile, right?
Is this awareness that we've gotto put aside our tribal thinking
and saying only my people, onlymy family, only my friends, only
my partner, that I care about.
I want to worry about them.
We have to worry about everything evenbecause from a scientific perspective,
and we're seeing this now, if we don'ttake care of everybody, in this pandemic,.
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If we don't vaccinate people, if wedon't get people healthy, chances are
this virus is going to continue tomutate and it's going to continue to
haunt us for a little bit of time.
So it's a collective effort forus to take care of all this stuff.
So I think it's a beautiful lessonthat I think we're struggling with
for a little bit, we need to carefor each other a little bit more
than we have done in the past.
And I think that's somethingthat it bears repeating.
Flavio Zanetti (07:23):
I think it's even a hundred percent of what you said, Dan..
But I think it's even beyondthat, it's beyond my family.
It's beyond my neighbor.
It's beyond my city.
It's beyond my country.
It's the whole world, because we'reall connected one way or the other.
And if you don't care for those thatare thousands and thousands of miles
away, even though we don't haveany relationship whatsoever, that
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may have an impact on us as well.
That's the big lesson, that weall are getting from the pandemic.
Suzana Simões (07:51):
And what a challenge that is, because what that calls for
is they need to see every single one asdeserving of the same level of care and
love, is to be able to see and to trulyfeel that every single life is worth
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saving and there is no difference andthere is nothing that truly separates us.
This is very different.
This is very difficult.
I'm sorry, when you're in thismaterial world, separated by geographic
limits, separated by cultures.
And so to be able to transcend thematerial and to see each individual
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for who he or she truly is, thechallenge that we have to exercise
.Because I can, I will speak for myself.
It's challenging for me, especially whenyou have someone who is so different
culturally with ideas, with ideology toactually experience that person as truly
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equal and truly deserving and truly holy.
So that's what we are called to do.
And we can talk about this at a verygeneral and far away from our reality
or what we need to do is each one of us,as we realize those lessons is to see
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how challenging is for me, to leave thisidea that I'm here talking to you guys.
So I'm saying this, but I am fullyaware that I am part of the problem.
And so if we keep putting theproblem outside of ourselves and
waiting for the world to fix itself,we are not at the right path.
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It is ...How can I Suzanatoday, do my homework?
Do what I need to do?
Be at least minimally committed to dothe work cause that's the first step,
it is the awareness that you are part ofthe problem and their commitment, to be
engaged in the work that is, that needsto be done starting from each one of us.
Flavio Zanetti (10:07):
But don't you think that we're a part of the problem
but we're also part of the solution?
Suzana Simões (10:11):
Yeah, by all means, but I'm talking about the solution, but this
solution start with the awareness that youare part of the problem, that is already
the solution process being on its way.
Yes.
Dan Assisi (10:27):
Yeah.
And there's something else I think tothis too, that it's very related, but
I think it's nice to pull apart too: the pandemic has also been a glaring (10:31):
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reminder that we're not self-sufficient.
That each one of us, that we need eachother, we were talking about this a
little bit about helping each other,but it's also about meeting each other
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and understanding that our societyhas been told us that, the really
great people, they don't need anybody.
They're self-sufficient, they can liveon their own, but that's not the case.
Our lives are deeply connected andwhat you do over there, affects me.
And what I do over here affects you.
And generally we only think about whatother people do and how it affects us.
But I think what I'm hearing fromSusanna and I wholeheartedly agree,
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is Hey, it's time to flip that scriptand say, what is it that I am doing?
And how is it that isaffecting other people?
Because we cannot control what otherpeople are going to do, we cannot
control how it's going to affectus, but what we can control is
what is it that we're going to do?
What kind of role are we goingto play in this new world that
hopefully, I'm hoping, we're goingto emerge to from the pandemic.
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This is an opportunity for us andmaybe this is another lesson too.
We have an opportunity to recreatewhat society and what the world looks.
We can come out of this.
We don't have to go back to theway things were before, the way we
were behaving before our values,we can give ourselves a space and
the chance to say, you know what?
I am not going to do those things anymore.
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I think we're seeing a lot of that too.
Like people are saying, Hey,I don't want that job anymore.
I don't want, I want to work from homeor I want to have a different lifestyle,
or I want to spend more time with myfamily, because I've realized all of a
sudden, that I couldn't spend this yearand a half with my family, I couldn't
see them, I might've lost people.
What was I doing?
I need to pay attentionmore to these things.
So in a way it's a great, like areawakening piece, when we realized
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that we are more interconnected thanI think we give ourselves credit.
Flavio Zanetti (12:25):
Yeah.
One thing that the defendanttaught us and I read a piece by the
Israeli historian Yuval, Harari.
He mentioned, life he's actually movingto an online situation and we've all
had to learn how to do things online.
We're seeing our doctors through acomputer screen out where we're studying,
we're taking classes through our computerscreen or are practicing religious
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engagements through a computer screen.
We're all here.
We've done this before many times, but Ithink that's one of the biggest challenges
for a lot of folks, they were not reallyinvolved with any type of technology,
they had to learn super quickly, how'dyou do most things, in an online fashion.
But then my question for us totalk about it is what are the
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repercussions of that situation?
Dan Assisi (13:15):
Yeah.
Suzana Simões (13:17):
And then I was just going to go back before moving forward
with a Flavio, I didn't want tolet it pass what Dan said in terms
of the recreation of the world.
Because I think that's one of thebiggest lessons that we have learned,
or at least one of the awarenessthat came out of it, which is has
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really forced us to reevaluate ourpriorities and to think about what is
really important for each one of us.
So I think the pandemic has forced us toto really, take a look at our families
that, like you said, the distanceand the importance of relationships
and social engagement face-to-face.
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I recall like, being at some pointvery exhausted from the human
conflicts at work at the center andgetting to a point that it was like,
okay, put me back in those calls.
I want to see people again, I wantlife, it's not fun to be so isolated.
And so it's just a.
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I just think, I don't want to letthat girl, because I think it's
a huge thing that has happened.
And going back to Flavio, yeah,I think there another lesson is
it has really pushed us forward.
In terms of it's an Alliancebetween productivity, but also
Quality of life.
Exactly.
So he, I am right.
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So right now I am, in my workingday, I took a little break and my
lunchtime to view with you guys.
So you're getting this done andI don't have to go back to work.
I have my computer here,as soon as they finish.
Switch back to working.
And so we are getting so muchmore done and at the same time I'm
full and my father-in-law is here.
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So I can do so much that you can doright now that, before we weren't able
really, or even aware that we could.
Dan Assisi (15:16):
Yeah.
And I love that and I think we canconnect what Flavio said too, because
no doubt, technology has been a veryimportant part of this pandemic in my
view, because like we always worried, weare always looking at what am I good at?
What's going wrong.
And what's the fear piece ofthe pandemic and so forth.
But if we think for a second hadthis pandemic happened 10 years.
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It would have been much worse muchbecause we would have been way more
disconnected from people because wewouldn't have the opportunity to do
the things that we're doing right now.
Online meeting technology.
Wasn't as great as it is today.
It isn't as easy.
So imagine how much more depressiveor how much more despair we would
have had in our lives, because wewouldn't be able to do these things.
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Like how many times have we during apandemic and it picked up a phone and
talk to people, but also them video calls.
I've had happy hours.
I have water cooler sessions with folks onvideo, just so that we can see each other.
Yes, it was silly in the beginning, right?
Everybody's in their own houseand everybody put the time.
Get her some drink or a snackor have dinner together.
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It seems silly, but we're learningthat the human connection can happen in
different ways and that's, pretty great.
So in a roundabout way, what Iwant to say, I think Flavio's
perspective is really great,but we also have to be thankful.
This pandemic thing happened now.
I think even when hard things come about,there are positive lessons that we can
take away from that, and one of thoseis I'm glad that we have technology
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now to help us figure this stuff out.
And people are, but I'm going to stop withthe technology that we can go back to the
quality of life, but Flavio you're goingto chime in on the technology piece again?
Flavio Zanetti (16:52):
I think it's transformed how are we doing most things, even
how we, for example experience ourfaith or when we get together to
go to the spiritist center, whenwe study, I think the key point to
me here is we have to be adaptable.
Cause the world's always changing, it'salways moving and the more adaptable
we are, the easier it will be forus to overcome some of the hurdles
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. I look, for example, for opportunities toengage my colleagues, to learn, from the
different things, through the technology.
But I want to focus on the on theexperience that we're gaining, but
at the same time we may be missing,if we do everything online, I
think what that pandemic taughtus is that yes, it can be done.
It's not one for one replacement,but you can still do most of what
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you were doing before face to face.
You could still do it online.
Suzana Simões (17:41):
So are you asking, like with these gains what is that
we are losing at the same time?
Flavio Zanetti (17:48):
So for example, before let's talk about spiritism, we have
our meetings where we go and learnabout the idea of spiritism we study
with people, we gathered together.
We have food together.
Of course, through the pandemic,we all have to adapt to a different
methodology because we could onlyget together with each other.
Thankfully to Dan's point before,the pandemic is happening now, where
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technology is at a point our comfortlevel with technologies, a point
that we can do these things now.
But we're still right now replacingone for one that human interaction.
I think the one misconception fromthe pandemic that I got is, oh,
we can do everything remotely,everything virtually any reality,
you can do most things, but nothing.
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We can replace six, right?
The human interaction to get together,the spending time with others.
And as I say, the best things in lifeare walking in a park with your loved
one, maybe holding your kids' handsto do something with them, this human
interaction, I think the pandemic taughtus to give a lot more value to those,
despite the fact that we were replacingsome of that with technologic now.
Dan Assisi (18:57):
Yeah.
And I, but I might have a slightlyunpopular opinion on this one.
I'm going to run down for you guys.
Yes.
To all of that.
But I think that another thing thatI started to notice with myself
too, is to realize that it's notjust about human interaction.
It is about quality human interaction,because I realized that during this
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pandemic that I had actually quite a bitof human interaction before the pandemic
that I might not necessarily need.
It was, I don't want to say superficial,but it was more of a level of things
that weren't really necessarilybringing tons of value added to me.
So I think the pandemic has nodoubt has left me wanting right.
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For more human interaction.
That's.
But I've realized that I wantmore quality human interaction.
It's not about hanging outwith 30 people anymore.
It's about spending time withtwo or three people where I can
go deeper and make more of thatconnection that kind of lifts myself.
So I think that this this break, eventhen we had our spirits as institutions,
for instance, where we could do onlinewhile we couldn't do in person piece
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,is a good reminder for us to ask us.
What is it that we really want?
And this was one of the things that Ireally like to go back to it, to JC right.
To Jesus when people approached himand it seems such an educator, he
often said, what would you have me do?
Or what do you want of me?
And I think that in a way, thepandemic is giving us that clarity and
asking you, what do you really want?
You thought you wanted to have thatgroup of 40 people where you go talk a
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little bit with people and you don't addanything to your life, really meaningful.
And that's okay.
You can have that sometimes, but isthat what you want for your entire life?
Do you want that level ofconnection or do you seek
something deeper with fewer people?
Sometimes too?
I'm not saying there'sa right or wrong answer.
I'm saying it has led me tothink, when do I want to watch
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and how am I acting in that way?
And so for instance, these conversationsthat are a good example, I love talking
with your guys on the staff and I, Iwonder if there's a shift to where we're
doing in spiritism in general, lesstalks and more conversations for us
to do our study groups and meetings..
Suzana Simões (21:02):
I want to add something to what you said.
We know that yes, the pandemic didhelp us a lot in terms of realizing
the potential that we have to do somuch online, but the world was very
much aligned and social media hasbeen with us for a good while now.
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And yet we live in a world wherethe levels of depression are
extremely high in the level ofloneliness has never be so high.
So it comes to, along with whatit's not really about connecting.
Connection online I think it hasits place, it has its function,
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but we will never ever substitutethe quality the relationships that
are face to face and particularlythe need to have relationships
that are quality relationships.
And then in sciencebacks us up on that too.
The research shows that, at the bottomline, what makes people happy it's
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nothing that the material world give us.
It is connections, but it'snot the number of connections.
It is precisely thequality of connections.
Exactly, going back to Flavio, that'sthe loss that maybe it was important
to lose, to realize, how we need toinvest in humans, in relationship.
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We can we can be happy without havingmeaningful relationships and the
whole social media, the whole thing.
It kind of grants more shallow relatedbecause we hide behind the camera.
It's a lot of Showtime a lotof times in these interactions.
Dan Assisi (22:48):
Totally
Suzana Simões (22:49):
Showtime everybody putting their best the
Flavio Zanetti (22:52):
The best answers to all your problems, right?
Yeah.
Suzana Simões (22:55):
Yeah.
As opposed to, okay.
Let's have a real conversation here.
So who are you?
Dan Assisi (23:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I love that because I thinkthat goes to quality of life piece.
I think that we are really, re-centeringabout, what's important to us, whether
is the job, whether is the relationships,whether it's the connections.
But I think I think that's there,but I want to also pick up on
something that you said, Sue, becauseI think it's really great and I
hope this is one of the legaciesin a positive way of the pandemic.
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I think that the pandemic has exposed allthe mental health issues that we all have.
And I think it has made us more opento the idea that, oh, you know what,
we need to work on that as a society.
It's not just the problemswith some people over others.
And I think that one of the thingsthat I hope that we learned from
the pandemic is to take care ofourselves from a mental perspective.
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That is not just a, something that happensto some people, it's quite widespread.
We have tons of challenges with it.
Everybody has their owndemons, so to speak, their own
challenges to figure it out.
And I'm finding that people arebeing a little bit more open to
talk about it and to make time forthat which is a positive thing.
And hopefully we carry that with us.
Flavio Zanetti (24:06):
How can spiritism help?
I think it's a pragmaticquestion we all must ask.
Dan Assisi (24:11):
Oh yeah, it's a great question and I think that's another lesson, may
I jump it back in there too, which isat the core of the pandemic, at least
the early stages of the pandemic, right?
I think the unspoken elephant in theroom, or should I say the virtual
virus in the room was, we were afraidof, we didn't openly talk about this,
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but a lot of our actions were directlyrelated with the fear of death.
If it was not our fear of deathfor us, it was for our loved ones.
Right?
Guys, we hogged toilet paper.
Remember, everybody's buying toiletpaper and the Corona virus is
not a gastrointestinal problem,but you know what I'm saying?
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Look at the level, lookat what fear does to us.
People rushed to buy toiletpaper, where did that come from?
That was just a fear that we hadthat toilet paper was going to end.
And what if it did, wewere not going to die?
But anyways, my point is I think that thecore of all this stuff was fear of death.
And I think that remains largelyunaddressed as a society as well, but
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where I think Spiritism can help usand has helped me personally throughout
my life is to slowly erode or chipaway at this fear of death, because
I know now for a fact that I will dieand when I do, I will not stop being,
I will not cease to be who I am.
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And more importantly, in a way toothose that I love should tomorrow
they perish, they die of COVID19, it will be heartbreaking.
I will be sad, but I know itwould not be the end of that.
And I know that ,it's not that Ibelieve, I know because Spiritism
has showed us how mediumship works,how this interaction between worlds
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works, in our mediumistic meetingsevery week, basically in in a majority
of spirits that centers throughoutthe planet, we see evidence of that.
So if I am part of that meeting, if Iam part of that, mediumistic exchange
between worlds and I see the storiesof people, I cannot be as anxious and
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worried about death as I was before,because now I have proof that our
essence who we are, us, spirits survived.
So I think that right on my way,spiritism has helped me take some of
the fear of death away, which has mademe be more present and less anxious
about the whole pandemic thing.
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I'm still worried about it.
Still taking my precautions.
It doesn't make us careless.
I wear masks, I got my vaccines in, Itry to be helpful, I cleaned my hands,
but I realized that should somethinghappen, I lose a loved one or I pass over.
I know it's not the end of thingsbecause I know it continues.
So for me, it has been by far thebiggest help the Spiritism has given me.
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Through the pandemic, dare I say, throughmy entire life, it has changed the way I
behave and I act in many different ways.
I'll do, I know there's a long way to go.
And sometimes to an extent that Idon't even realize, like sometimes
I have to think about it and say,wow, 20 years ago, 30 years ago,
I would have behaved completelydifferent during this piece here.
But now I'm a little bit mighty.
So I think that's where I wouldsay that's how Spiritism has helped
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me in the pandemic specifically.
Suzana Simões (27:35):
Yeah.
I think that like Dan was saying itjust put the whole mental or imbalances
that we all have in the forefront.
So all went up significantly with fear,with loss grieving depression, but also
an incredible sense of powerlessness,being out of control, losing control of
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our lives and what we can or cannot do.
So it's really hard to copewith all of these feelings.
And I think we all experiencedthem to a greater or lesser extent,
but a little bit of all of themwas in the mix for all of us.
And I think that was one thing that Ihad in my mind, as we opened the show,
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which was, what has that done to humanityas far as assist to reconnect with what
is essential like spiritually speakingor, facilitating these way back towards
the spirituality, Spiritism and God,whatever it might be for different people.
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So specifically I think that I wasreally called to put into practice.
The faith and the understanding reallylike flat, think, and try to not make it
such a cognitive experience, but reallytry to feel that there is a higher purpose
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for everything that the reason God inplace, you know a universal intelligence,
that there is a higher plan and reallyso meeting myself to this, which along
with Dan, taking all the precautions,because submission to God's real, that
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is not me neglect or carelessness.
We are to do our own part, but tounderstand that there is something much
bigger, something that we don't see,something that we cannot understand being
on the valley, we don't have the view ofthe top, but we will call to trust in,
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to surrendering, to do our parts on thisbig equation that is going on right now.
So for me what spirits isn't helps is,I love the gospel chapter 2 item 3.
What spiritism does is invite usalways to climb the mountain and try
to appreciate life from the top and notfrom the bottom, because then we have
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a much broader view of the situation.
But even if we do so to the highest thatwe can go does not give us because we
don't have the wings to fly that high yet.
So our vision is always apartial vision of the reality.
So it gets to a point that there's nothingelse you can see, you have to trust,
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you have to surrender and you have toreally take into consideration that.
The world is not disorganized,it's actually being organized.
We are not lost in abandoning chaos.
On the contrary, theseare being rearranged.
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There is a higher plan and a higherforce that is actually working
to make this whole situation abetter situation for all of us.
Flavio Zanetti (31:06):
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
I agree.
I think you said some great things.
Before we were given some of the ideasor some of the thoughts, some of the
concepts that there is divine justice.
There is a God looking at lookingover all of what we're doing right
now, really guiding every step of theway, because we have free will, you
learn through spiritism, but the worldis moving towards a more just place.
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But then the pandemic came and thepractical or the we learned a
theory before, here's time forus to put that into practice.
And that's how we were challengedby thoughts and our emotions
were challenged, you know whattrust everything will be fine.
Trust.
Do your part that everythingwill go moving through its place.
I think having that mindset allowed us,or at least allowed me again to be for you
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guys, but allowed me to navigate throughthat pandemic, still very optimistic about
the future ahead, still looking at theladder, then the ethernal yes, this was
gonna be a difficult step for everybody.
But if we do our parts, we'll getout of this much stronger and much
more prepared for the future ahead.
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That to me was the the massive lessonthat I got from this of course,
fear of death is huge and it's stillsomething that bothers a lot of people.
But the end of the day, having an ideathat, yes, everything is under control.
You should not worry about it.
That's again, the message ofJesus has left us way back.
it's the same message, but we just walkedaway from it, like in the last millennium.
Dan Assisi (32:40):
Yeah.
We've veered away a little bitfrom that, but I like both those
perspectives and I like Susannareminding us of the larger view.
Because I think that's somethingthat spiritism does well for
us too, is to remind us thatthere is more than one lifetime.
And I think the pandemic hasdefinitely offered us this
moment of pause and reflect.
Right.
It's kinda like the stop think.
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And listen, before you crossthe train tracks, the stop
listening and look kind of thing.
And so I think that's all great, but ithas also led me to believe that maybe
this moment is not just important forthis lifetime, but more after that.
So I really liked that moment ofreflection that we were talking about.
And I really like that susanna alsotalked about faith is not about I'm
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going to paraphrase her a little bit.
by saying faith is not aboutlearn helplessness, right?
It's not about saying, oh, I'mjust going to trust and I'm not
going to do anything quite yet.
The reason why we are in thisplace is because we haven't done
enough or we need to do more.
So it's not about sitting and justwaiting to see what happens is
rolling up our sleeves and doingwhat we can, which is something that
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we talked about before, earlier.
But this space to reflect, Idon't know that we would have
had it in our busy lives.
Have we not had the pandemic.
So while I understand that pandemichas caused a lot of challenge pain
and, worry in general, one goodthing from the pandemic, if I want
to look at the good side of it,is that it has made us the space.
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It has made us okay to questionour lives, and see if that's
what we are really wanting to do.
My work is what I want to do thetime that I have with my family
is not really what I want to do.
How do I want to lead my life, and I don'tknow that we would have had that space
to do it right, because we're so worriedabout what other people are going to think
sometimes of us or what the perfect lifeshould look like or what the perfect job.
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We have accepted these values from theoutside world without questioning them.
And I think in many different ways thepandemic has said, what does it matter
for me to have a really nice bank account?
If I don't get to spend time withmy family, or if I have people in my
family who are sick so I think thatthe moment of questioning it's a
really hard one in that moment, right?
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When you're going through that crisisare really hard, but crisis are
also moments of decision, is whenwe decide even the word, the word
crisis comes from moments of decision.
We've got to decide, how is it that weare going to act, what is it going to do?
And so from that perspective,I'm, I am grateful.
I want to even use, wantto use that word, right?
Because I also want to give myselfpermission to say, it's okay to be
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happy, even in moments of gloom, right?
We all are going through toughmoments, but we also have happy
moments in this past two years.
It's important for us to rememberthat so it's important to first or
give ourselves permission to sayyes, things are tough right now, but
right now in this second I'm okay.
Flavio Zanetti (35:33):
I do see, I can't imagine people out there that might be
listening to us or watching us live.
Maybe thinking I can't be happy ifI'm going through a lot of turmoil
or if my going through all the gloom.
How, How do we, what dowe tell these people?
What do we say to them?
Dan Assisi (35:50):
Yeah, no great point.
Thank you for bringing that up.
Great point.
And I'm not saying that we are,we have to be happy, right?
I'm saying we can give ourselvespermission and that second to say
in this moment right now, I'm okay.
In this 10 seconds right now I'm ok.
Suzana Simões (36:07):
And also not feel guilty for feeling happy because it's okay.
It's all right.
A lot of people often will preventthemselves from feeling happy.
They will mess up their own happinessbecause of these feelings of guilt.
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But I wanna I wanna also bring onemore thing, cause I know can you just
go back because you ran over thatDan called me, but I go back to it.
So he was talking about the fear of that.
And I think along withthat, here we are spiritist.
So the bottom line is we are immortalsand yet we are afraid of dying and we
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have a lot of feelings related to dying.
So COVID by taking so many materiallives, threwing in our face the
vulnerability of this life, which issomething that we don't think so often.
We live honestly even as immortalas if we're going to be here
forever, some of us, some of us,you still have a difficult time.
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And I think I have mentioned that I dunnoif he's in a lecture or the conversation,
but It's a taboo to talk about dying.
People.
Don't even want to talk about it.
If you say let's talk about whatyou want for the end-of-life.
So we, I think we did have thisconversation before people were like
why do you want to talk about that?
Why not?
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Why not?
Dan Assisi (37:42):
If we can't just avoid it, it doesn't happen.
Suzana Simões (37:47):
It won't ever happen.
And so we so what coffee did he say,Hey, listen, it can happen at any time.
You know what I mean?
And he takes something that's smalland invisible to knock it down and to
end what seems to be such a powerfulexistence, you know, and guess what?
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There's no pattern.
You can be a marathon runner, superhealthy, you can be young, you
can be old and frail and survive.
So there's no logic for it.
How do you, what do you do now?
Because if there was logicwould say, no, we got it.
We now understand exactly how it happens,what is the population that is being
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what we're going to treat that thencomes a virus that makes no sense at all.
There was no like, I'm good.
You don't know it can beanyone at anytime anywhere.
So I think that was one of the bigthings is really like a reminder that
this is a brief state for all of us.
Flavio Zanetti (38:52):
We just have to cherish as we're here.
Every single moment.
I think one thing that we didn't reallysay or mention, at least I didn't
really hear that, is the fact thatit's really important for us to live
the moment that we're living, right?
The whole idea of mindfulness, or reallybeing thankful for what we have and being
happy at the moment they were happy.
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Yes, there's a lot of issues outthere, but the difficulty is not
there, but right now I'm actuallycontent to you because I'm healthy.
My family's healthy.
I'm still employed.
I have a roof over my head.
I can meet, a nice meal, mean there'ssmall things that are not so small for
a lot of people that made us reflecta lot and living the present moment
was something that I believe wasthe big calling from that pandemic.
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People were leaving for the future, right?
It's not very difficult to see folksworking multiple jobs and try to
acumulate a lot of wealth and all ofa sudden newness comes and the person
who doesn't really enjoy their wealth.
Happens, more often than not the pandemicgave us a hang on a sec, Do you really
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need all that or maybe it's time spendmore time with I think that, to me, it
was a big calling that comes back from us.
Again.
I want to bring Jesus again, thatwe should cherish the treasures
that the moth can eat and the steelthat they think you can steal.
So when we look at that most,most important treasures are in
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a, what we do with others, ourfriends, or family, or loved.
And I think that's, to me, it'sthe biggest call and I believe
we just start wrapping upbecause the time is running out.
But to me that's a key point thatI want to show is we speak about it
before we dropped from today's session.
Dan Assisi (40:30):
Yeah.
So quick recap.
So we started talking about hownobody wins until everybody wins.
We've talked about also the realizationthat we are more self-dependent than we
expected, we're not, as self-sufficient.
We've talked about what we reallywant re-centering, refocusing,
and thinking about what is it thatwe really want from this life?
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We've talked about mental healthawareness and we talked about faith
and you're putting it in practice.
So these are all things that are veryimportant and they're monumental, right?
They're important things.
And so from all of this, What do you, whatdo you guys take away from the pandemic?
What do you take away fromthe show today and what do you
take away from the pandemic?
As it continues to evolveand change our lives,
Suzana Simões (41:14):
I'm going to be very present in this moment and I'm going
to say that I take away gratitude forthe show that and being able to say to
myself, Yeah, work is important, butI'm going to open a window and meet
these guys and through these wonderfultechnology that allow us to do that
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in three different states in thiscountry and at the same time gratitude
normally, because we can do that, butalso for having both of you in my life.
And although we are not talking on adaily basis, I know that these quality
of relations that I have, that if I needanything, and I'm always following you
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guys and having these relationships in mylife is something that I am grateful for.
So I think that the wordis always what a gratitude.
I want to say thank you both forinviting me to be here today and that I
have a challenging schedule sometimes.
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And but you don't give up on me.
So I'm so that truly to do, becauseI few nourished appreciation.
That's great.
I feel nourished by our conversation.
And so here we are, this conversation is aresult of the pandemic, our relationships,
these workspace conversation.
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That's it.
I want to end on a very personal note.
Flavio Zanetti (42:43):
So we thank you for putting up with us.
That's what we do
Dan Assisi (42:48):
putting up with Flavio.
We know that Flavia was thereally drag of the show here.
So a difficult one
Flavio Zanetti (42:53):
as we know.
Yeah.
But right through a hundredpercent is phenomenal.
Right?
One of the, one of the successes for afulfilled life or life fuel fulfillment,
if I can say that, is gratitude.
It's a life filled with granted.
The more we feel, the more wepractice gratitude, the happier,
more fulfilled lives, all it.
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And your,
Suzana Simões (43:17):
So, I guess the pandemic also taught us that, right?
To appreciate things to payattention to things that, perhaps
would be going notice and With moreattention on our daily blessings.
Dan Assisi (43:32):
Yeah.
100%, 100%.
So now I'll go next and Flavia can come inat the end Flavio if that's okay with you.
100% of what Susanna said, I, andI want to take that specific piece
and make it a general conclusion.
Yes, because yes, quality of relations.
What's really important to you.
Making time to think about myself beyondthe physical is I think something that the
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pandemic really helped me with because hehas prevented me from traveling as much
from doing all the different things that Iwas doing before, which gave me more time
for reflection in many different ways.
And so this show, talking withyour guys and everything else has
made me try to spend more time.
Self and what is it thatI really want to do?
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I think some of them, you guysknow, I even done professional
changes, so I could have more time.
For me to do the things that I want, whichis to spend more time thinking about this.
So I'm grateful for this difficult twoyears will have completely changed my my.
For the better, in many different ways.
And I'm really grateful for thatand for these relationships.
And so I'm grateful that that I obviouslyhave you guys, so we can have this
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relationship that we can have the spaceto talk about things that really matter.
And I think that's suchan important thing for me.
I need that space to talk aboutthings that lift me and carry
me on a few or me to keep doingwhatever it is that I want to do.
And recenter me, help me giveme the moment to really think
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what is it that I really want?
What is it that's really important to me.
So I'm grateful for the pandemic forthat grateful for you guys for that
as well, to be my my thinking buddieshere to put me during all this things.
So thank you.
And thank you for all the folks also,who are listening to us who send
us messages, who sent us comments.
It's really humbling.
It's really lovely to see peoplefrom different places we just saw.
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Elsa Rossi from the UK chiming in, wehave folks from all different parts
of the world, sending us messages andbeing part of our conversations too.
Is really great.
Shout out to people out in Macau.
For instance, we found outthat Spiritist Conversations
it's in the, more, most shows inMacau and it's pretty cool stuff
that that we're really foreclosed.
(45:46):
So thank you.
Thank you for that.
I'm grateful for that too.
Flavio.
Flavio Zanetti (45:50):
It's the same grade in grade two ahead.
I want to thank you both for beingour partners do non-prime does think
while we're doing here is really stuckand help a person or two out there.
That's listening to useither live or later on.
Yeah.
Gratitude is huge.
The pandemic thought of swimming lessons.
I think everyone was goingto have their own way.
But at the end of the day, it's acall for us to look at ourselves.
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Not only this body that we have,but our spiritual beings, the things
that really matter in our lives, thefriendships, the family, the time we
spent together, the quality of therelationships, our connectionwith
God however, you practice that.
However, we do that right througha church or through a group
of people or through a book.
Our connection with God is more, it'smore strongly than ever these things.
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He's really, these things arereally the best lessons that
we'll hear from them pandemic.
And it's not gonna stop there.
W as the world continues to evolve,as we continue to grow as spiritual
beings that we are, we'll continueto learn more things to better
prepare ourselves for the future.
Andy, on a very positive note, we allwe all have a lot to be thankful, right?
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That's what.
Dan Assisi (47:01):
Wonderful.
Thank you, Flavio.
Thank you, Suzanne.
And this is the part of the showwhere traditionally, when we have
a guest, we ask them about sharingsome of their projects or how
we can get in touch with them.
We don't have a guesttoday, just the three of us.
So I figured we wouldimprovise and as Susanna.
Susanna, tell us a little bit howpeople can get in touch with you.
I know that you have a Facebookpage, you have a YouTube channel.
(47:25):
Tell us a little bit about how peoplecan connect with you and social media,
if they want to follow what you're doing,but you got to come off from your first.
Suzana Simões (47:37):
Yeah.
So we have the YouTube channelso there's other some way 70.
So you can find oh, ourlectures and participations.
I also share these conversationsduring the YouTube channel.
So all work can be found at that channel.
And also at least the ground, samething, Susanna, Simone, one 70.
Dan Assisi (47:59):
Yeah.
So shout out to Susan andall the work she's doing.
If you want to connect with her, go ahead.
Find her on social media.
She's done something tomake our life easier.
She has the same handle, the same usernamein different places, which I love.
You don't need to be creative peoplewith your social media channels.
Just keep it the same so we can find.
So follow her a morning, sit seven,and for all of you guys out there we
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love to have you continue to follow us.
We'll have another showat the end of December.
It's going to be an interesting one.
We're planning I think it fro the16th of December and it's calling
follow Christ, not the Christians.
Ha look at that.
We're going to let them hair, we cana little bit, we're going to talk
about Christianity in crisis since.
The Christmas is coming up and how'sthat slightly different sometimes.
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And most people imagined.
So we are really gratefulto have you here.
Don't forget to listen to us.
Subscribe to us.
We're also very creativewith our names, spirit.
This conversation's all social media.
That's what our name is.
Thank you one more time for listeningand we hope to see you soon.
Welcome everyone to another edition of Spiritist Conversations.
A show where we sit down withfriends to talk about things through
a spiritist lens, an informalunscripted and unplugged way.
Today, we are going to look backin time and think about the lessons
from the pandemic that we have alllearned over these past two years.
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And to do that, I have the peoplewho really make the show fun.
I have Flavio and Susanna herewith us today, so I want to bring
them so that we can all say hello.
Hi guys, how are you guys doing?
Suzana Simões (00:47):
Hi Dan.
Hi Flavio.
Good to see you guys.
Flavio Zanetti (00:51):
Yeah, doing fantastic, Dan and Suzana, It's always a
pleasure to see you guys here live.
Dan Assisi (00:57):
Well, can you guys believe it?
It's December already of 2021 ina couple of more weeks, we are
going to be in a whole new year.
Flavio Zanetti (01:04):
2022.
Yes.
Suzana Simões (01:07):
Ubelievable.
Flavio Zanetti (01:09):
Time flies when you're having fun.
Suzana Simões (01:13):
Oh, when you were in a world of trial and
expiation then really flies.
Dan Assisi (01:18):
I'm just going to go with it flies when you're getting old.
But anyways, getting old is amandatory growing up is optional.
So I'm going to maintain myyouthfulness, at least cling onto it
and believe that we're going to be ok.
, but it's great to be with you guys here.
And I couldn't think of a better teamto reflect a little bit about what these
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past two years basically have looked like.
Ever since March of, I think 2020, we haveall been emerged in this new world order.
This new pandemic that has brought usanxiety has brought us fear and of course
has brought us a lot of hurt becausewe have lost people, we have worried
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about people, and it has really shiftedthe way we think about things, so I
think that it will take a little bitof time for us to really figure things
out, still, about what is it all mean?
And from a bigger historicalperspective, but I wonder, if there's
an opportunity for us to talk a littlebit about what are the things that
we have learned from the pandemic.
What are the lessons that we can takeaway from more of a spiritual perspective?
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What are you guys think?
Suzana Simões (02:27):
Yeah, perhaps that we are still learning, as you
said, it's an ongoing process.
So I know Flavio was ready to jump in,but since I have the word, I will share
my initial thoughts, which I'm goingto actually start from where we are
right now, right within the pandemic.
I was just having a conversation withmy wife this week as we were having
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breakfast and reading the paper aboutthe new variant and we were discussing
an article that talk about thediscrepancies with the vaccination and
what happens when we leave someone behind.
And I don't think this is the goal of ourconversation to go into, what went on that
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an entire country was like left behind.
But the fact is that I was talking toher and said, if this is not a lesson
to be learned, that can be translated toevery single aspect of our daily lives
where if we want to be well healthyand happy, we cannot do it alone.
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So we have to include everyone.
So our neighbor needs to be seenus an extension of us the same way
we see that in our family, like ourbrother and sister, if he or she is
in need , or our parents, we go outof our way because it is our family.
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And we don't call that charity, we callthat our natural duty to attend to the
needs of those who we consider ours.
So what the pandemic is showing us,one of the things is that every one is
ours and we must expand this concept offamily to every single person, because we
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are all brothers and sisters under God.
And it's not about being charitable.
It's about penny to our human duty andrecognizing that every single person
in this planet is deserving of the samelevel of attention, the same level of
care, and this is the only way, together,not ever leaving anyone behind that.
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We'll get to a place where one day Godwilling, and God is willing, we'll call
this planet a planet of regeneration.
Flavio Zanetti (05:03):
What I'm hearing Susanna from you is, I think
we've touched this a little bit.
When we talked about the Black LivesMatter episode of our conversations
where we mentioned that there's amovement ran out in the world where
we see folks testing to the fact thatuntil the world is good for everybody,
it's not a good world for anybody.
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And we call it an action forus to think about others, the
way we think about ourselves.
And if you look back, this is the utmostimportant message that Christ left for
us to really think about our siblings ourbrothers and sisters, humanity in general,
as we need an extension on our family.
I think that's a very interesting pointbecause it's several parts of history
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or, or we, how we're living right now,that's pointing us to that direction.
That's how I saw and I wantto compliment your comments.
Dan Assisi (05:57):
I love that.
And I think that is a key piece to allof this, so I, I love that awareness
and I love that way that you put it too.
So it's not that it's anice thing to do anymore.
I think we're being show by nature,we have to care for each other.
And I think that's one of the key lessons.
I think we're learning thatnobody wins until everybody wins.
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There is no individual victory over COVID.
I like the fact that you might havesurvived COVID does not mean that you
really are well or healthy, and happy.
Cause our happiness, we're learning,has a lot to do with, of course who
we are, but also making sure thatthe folks around us are okay too.
So I think it's a really beautifulthing that we are going to continue
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to struggle with for awhile, right?
Is this awareness that we've gotto put aside our tribal thinking
and saying only my people, onlymy family, only my friends, only
my partner, that I care about.
I want to worry about them.
We have to worry about everything evenbecause from a scientific perspective,
and we're seeing this now, if we don'ttake care of everybody, in this pandemic,.
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If we don't vaccinate people, if wedon't get people healthy, chances are
this virus is going to continue tomutate and it's going to continue to
haunt us for a little bit of time.
So it's a collective effort forus to take care of all this stuff.
So I think it's a beautiful lessonthat I think we're struggling with
for a little bit, we need to carefor each other a little bit more
than we have done in the past.
And I think that's somethingthat it bears repeating.
Flavio Zanetti (07:23):
I think it's even a hundred percent of what you said, Dan..
But I think it's even beyondthat, it's beyond my family.
It's beyond my neighbor.
It's beyond my city.
It's beyond my country.
It's the whole world, because we'reall connected one way or the other.
And if you don't care for those thatare thousands and thousands of miles
away, even though we don't haveany relationship whatsoever, that
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may have an impact on us as well.
That's the big lesson, that weall are getting from the pandemic.
Suzana Simões (07:51):
And what a challenge that is, because what that calls for
is they need to see every single one asdeserving of the same level of care and
love, is to be able to see and to trulyfeel that every single life is worth
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saving and there is no difference andthere is nothing that truly separates us.
This is very different.
This is very difficult.
I'm sorry, when you're in thismaterial world, separated by geographic
limits, separated by cultures.
And so to be able to transcend thematerial and to see each individual
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for who he or she truly is, thechallenge that we have to exercise
.Because I can, I will speak for myself.
It's challenging for me, especially whenyou have someone who is so different
culturally with ideas, with ideology toactually experience that person as truly
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equal and truly deserving and truly holy.
So that's what we are called to do.
And we can talk about this at a verygeneral and far away from our reality
or what we need to do is each one of us,as we realize those lessons is to see
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how challenging is for me, to leave thisidea that I'm here talking to you guys.
So I'm saying this, but I am fullyaware that I am part of the problem.
And so if we keep putting theproblem outside of ourselves and
waiting for the world to fix itself,we are not at the right path.
(09:44):
It is ...How can I Suzanatoday, do my homework?
Do what I need to do?
Be at least minimally committed to dothe work cause that's the first step,
it is the awareness that you are part ofthe problem and their commitment, to be
engaged in the work that is, that needsto be done starting from each one of us.
Flavio Zanetti (10:07):
But don't you think that we're a part of the problem
but we're also part of the solution?
Suzana Simões (10:11):
Yeah, by all means, but I'm talking about the solution, but this
solution start with the awareness that youare part of the problem, that is already
the solution process being on its way.
Yes.
Dan Assisi (10:27):
Yeah.
And there's something else I think tothis too, that it's very related, but
I think it's nice to pull apart too: the pandemic has also been a glaring (10:31):
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reminder that we're not self-sufficient.
That each one of us, that we need eachother, we were talking about this a
little bit about helping each other,but it's also about meeting each other
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and understanding that our societyhas been told us that, the really
great people, they don't need anybody.
They're self-sufficient, they can liveon their own, but that's not the case.
Our lives are deeply connected andwhat you do over there, affects me.
And what I do over here affects you.
And generally we only think about whatother people do and how it affects us.
But I think what I'm hearing fromSusanna and I wholeheartedly agree,
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is Hey, it's time to flip that scriptand say, what is it that I am doing?
And how is it that isaffecting other people?
Because we cannot control what otherpeople are going to do, we cannot
control how it's going to affectus, but what we can control is
what is it that we're going to do?
What kind of role are we goingto play in this new world that
hopefully, I'm hoping, we're goingto emerge to from the pandemic.
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This is an opportunity for us andmaybe this is another lesson too.
We have an opportunity to recreatewhat society and what the world looks.
We can come out of this.
We don't have to go back to theway things were before, the way we
were behaving before our values,we can give ourselves a space and
the chance to say, you know what?
I am not going to do those things anymore.
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I think we're seeing a lot of that too.
Like people are saying, Hey,I don't want that job anymore.
I don't want, I want to work from homeor I want to have a different lifestyle,
or I want to spend more time with myfamily, because I've realized all of a
sudden, that I couldn't spend this yearand a half with my family, I couldn't
see them, I might've lost people.
What was I doing?
I need to pay attentionmore to these things.
So in a way it's a great, like areawakening piece, when we realized
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that we are more interconnected thanI think we give ourselves credit.
Flavio Zanetti (12:25):
Yeah.
One thing that the defendanttaught us and I read a piece by the
Israeli historian Yuval, Harari.
He mentioned, life he's actually movingto an online situation and we've all
had to learn how to do things online.
We're seeing our doctors through acomputer screen out where we're studying,
we're taking classes through our computerscreen or are practicing religious
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engagements through a computer screen.
We're all here.
We've done this before many times, but Ithink that's one of the biggest challenges
for a lot of folks, they were not reallyinvolved with any type of technology,
they had to learn super quickly, how'dyou do most things, in an online fashion.
But then my question for us totalk about it is what are the
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repercussions of that situation?
Dan Assisi (13:15):
Yeah.
Suzana Simões (13:17):
And then I was just going to go back before moving forward
with a Flavio, I didn't want tolet it pass what Dan said in terms
of the recreation of the world.
Because I think that's one of thebiggest lessons that we have learned,
or at least one of the awarenessthat came out of it, which is has
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really forced us to reevaluate ourpriorities and to think about what is
really important for each one of us.
So I think the pandemic has forced us toto really, take a look at our families
that, like you said, the distanceand the importance of relationships
and social engagement face-to-face.
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I recall like, being at some pointvery exhausted from the human
conflicts at work at the center andgetting to a point that it was like,
okay, put me back in those calls.
I want to see people again, I wantlife, it's not fun to be so isolated.
And so it's just a.
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I just think, I don't want to letthat girl, because I think it's
a huge thing that has happened.
And going back to Flavio, yeah,I think there another lesson is
it has really pushed us forward.
In terms of it's an Alliancebetween productivity, but also
Quality of life.
Exactly.
So he, I am right.
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So right now I am, in my workingday, I took a little break and my
lunchtime to view with you guys.
So you're getting this done andI don't have to go back to work.
I have my computer here,as soon as they finish.
Switch back to working.
And so we are getting so muchmore done and at the same time I'm
full and my father-in-law is here.
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So I can do so much that you can doright now that, before we weren't able
really, or even aware that we could.
Dan Assisi (15:16):
Yeah.
And I love that and I think we canconnect what Flavio said too, because
no doubt, technology has been a veryimportant part of this pandemic in my
view, because like we always worried, weare always looking at what am I good at?
What's going wrong.
And what's the fear piece ofthe pandemic and so forth.
But if we think for a second hadthis pandemic happened 10 years.
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It would have been much worse muchbecause we would have been way more
disconnected from people because wewouldn't have the opportunity to do
the things that we're doing right now.
Online meeting technology.
Wasn't as great as it is today.
It isn't as easy.
So imagine how much more depressiveor how much more despair we would
have had in our lives, because wewouldn't be able to do these things.
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Like how many times have we during apandemic and it picked up a phone and
talk to people, but also them video calls.
I've had happy hours.
I have water cooler sessions with folks onvideo, just so that we can see each other.
Yes, it was silly in the beginning, right?
Everybody's in their own houseand everybody put the time.
Get her some drink or a snackor have dinner together.
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It seems silly, but we're learningthat the human connection can happen in
different ways and that's, pretty great.
So in a roundabout way, what Iwant to say, I think Flavio's
perspective is really great,but we also have to be thankful.
This pandemic thing happened now.
I think even when hard things come about,there are positive lessons that we can
take away from that, and one of thoseis I'm glad that we have technology
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now to help us figure this stuff out.
And people are, but I'm going to stop withthe technology that we can go back to the
quality of life, but Flavio you're goingto chime in on the technology piece again?
Flavio Zanetti (16:52):
I think it's transformed how are we doing most things, even
how we, for example experience ourfaith or when we get together to
go to the spiritist center, whenwe study, I think the key point to
me here is we have to be adaptable.
Cause the world's always changing, it'salways moving and the more adaptable
we are, the easier it will be forus to overcome some of the hurdles
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. I look, for example, for opportunities toengage my colleagues, to learn, from the
different things, through the technology.
But I want to focus on the on theexperience that we're gaining, but
at the same time we may be missing,if we do everything online, I
think what that pandemic taughtus is that yes, it can be done.
It's not one for one replacement,but you can still do most of what
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you were doing before face to face.
You could still do it online.
Suzana Simões (17:41):
So are you asking, like with these gains what is that
we are losing at the same time?
Flavio Zanetti (17:48):
So for example, before let's talk about spiritism, we have
our meetings where we go and learnabout the idea of spiritism we study
with people, we gathered together.
We have food together.
Of course, through the pandemic,we all have to adapt to a different
methodology because we could onlyget together with each other.
Thankfully to Dan's point before,the pandemic is happening now, where
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technology is at a point our comfortlevel with technologies, a point
that we can do these things now.
But we're still right now replacingone for one that human interaction.
I think the one misconception fromthe pandemic that I got is, oh,
we can do everything remotely,everything virtually any reality,
you can do most things, but nothing.
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We can replace six, right?
The human interaction to get together,the spending time with others.
And as I say, the best things in lifeare walking in a park with your loved
one, maybe holding your kids' handsto do something with them, this human
interaction, I think the pandemic taughtus to give a lot more value to those,
despite the fact that we were replacingsome of that with technologic now.
Dan Assisi (18:57):
Yeah.
And I, but I might have a slightlyunpopular opinion on this one.
I'm going to run down for you guys.
Yes.
To all of that.
But I think that another thing thatI started to notice with myself
too, is to realize that it's notjust about human interaction.
It is about quality human interaction,because I realized that during this
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pandemic that I had actually quite a bitof human interaction before the pandemic
that I might not necessarily need.
It was, I don't want to say superficial,but it was more of a level of things
that weren't really necessarilybringing tons of value added to me.
So I think the pandemic has nodoubt has left me wanting right.
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For more human interaction.
That's.
But I've realized that I wantmore quality human interaction.
It's not about hanging outwith 30 people anymore.
It's about spending time withtwo or three people where I can
go deeper and make more of thatconnection that kind of lifts myself.
So I think that this this break, eventhen we had our spirits as institutions,
for instance, where we could do onlinewhile we couldn't do in person piece
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,is a good reminder for us to ask us.
What is it that we really want?
And this was one of the things that Ireally like to go back to it, to JC right.
To Jesus when people approached himand it seems such an educator, he
often said, what would you have me do?
Or what do you want of me?
And I think that in a way, thepandemic is giving us that clarity and
asking you, what do you really want?
You thought you wanted to have thatgroup of 40 people where you go talk a
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little bit with people and you don't addanything to your life, really meaningful.
And that's okay.
You can have that sometimes, but isthat what you want for your entire life?
Do you want that level ofconnection or do you seek
something deeper with fewer people?
Sometimes too?
I'm not saying there'sa right or wrong answer.
I'm saying it has led me tothink, when do I want to watch
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and how am I acting in that way?
And so for instance, these conversationsthat are a good example, I love talking
with your guys on the staff and I, Iwonder if there's a shift to where we're
doing in spiritism in general, lesstalks and more conversations for us
to do our study groups and meetings..
Suzana Simões (21:02):
I want to add something to what you said.
We know that yes, the pandemic didhelp us a lot in terms of realizing
the potential that we have to do somuch online, but the world was very
much aligned and social media hasbeen with us for a good while now.
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And yet we live in a world wherethe levels of depression are
extremely high in the level ofloneliness has never be so high.
So it comes to, along with whatit's not really about connecting.
Connection online I think it hasits place, it has its function,
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but we will never ever substitutethe quality the relationships that
are face to face and particularlythe need to have relationships
that are quality relationships.
And then in sciencebacks us up on that too.
The research shows that, at the bottomline, what makes people happy it's
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nothing that the material world give us.
It is connections, but it'snot the number of connections.
It is precisely thequality of connections.
Exactly, going back to Flavio, that'sthe loss that maybe it was important
to lose, to realize, how we need toinvest in humans, in relationship.
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We can we can be happy without havingmeaningful relationships and the
whole social media, the whole thing.
It kind of grants more shallow relatedbecause we hide behind the camera.
It's a lot of Showtime a lotof times in these interactions.
Dan Assisi (22:48):
Totally
Suzana Simões (22:49):
Showtime everybody putting their best the
Flavio Zanetti (22:52):
The best answers to all your problems, right?
Yeah.
Suzana Simões (22:55):
Yeah.
As opposed to, okay.
Let's have a real conversation here.
So who are you?
Dan Assisi (23:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I love that because I thinkthat goes to quality of life piece.
I think that we are really, re-centeringabout, what's important to us, whether
is the job, whether is the relationships,whether it's the connections.
But I think I think that's there,but I want to also pick up on
something that you said, Sue, becauseI think it's really great and I
hope this is one of the legaciesin a positive way of the pandemic.
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I think that the pandemic has exposed allthe mental health issues that we all have.
And I think it has made us more opento the idea that, oh, you know what,
we need to work on that as a society.
It's not just the problemswith some people over others.
And I think that one of the thingsthat I hope that we learned from
the pandemic is to take care ofourselves from a mental perspective.
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That is not just a, something that happensto some people, it's quite widespread.
We have tons of challenges with it.
Everybody has their owndemons, so to speak, their own
challenges to figure it out.
And I'm finding that people arebeing a little bit more open to
talk about it and to make time forthat which is a positive thing.
And hopefully we carry that with us.
Flavio Zanetti (24:06):
How can spiritism help?
I think it's a pragmaticquestion we all must ask.
Dan Assisi (24:11):
Oh yeah, it's a great question and I think that's another lesson, may
I jump it back in there too, which isat the core of the pandemic, at least
the early stages of the pandemic, right?
I think the unspoken elephant in theroom, or should I say the virtual
virus in the room was, we were afraidof, we didn't openly talk about this,
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but a lot of our actions were directlyrelated with the fear of death.
If it was not our fear of deathfor us, it was for our loved ones.
Right?
Guys, we hogged toilet paper.
Remember, everybody's buying toiletpaper and the Corona virus is
not a gastrointestinal problem,but you know what I'm saying?
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Look at the level, lookat what fear does to us.
People rushed to buy toiletpaper, where did that come from?
That was just a fear that we hadthat toilet paper was going to end.
And what if it did, wewere not going to die?
But anyways, my point is I think that thecore of all this stuff was fear of death.
And I think that remains largelyunaddressed as a society as well, but
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where I think Spiritism can help usand has helped me personally throughout
my life is to slowly erode or chipaway at this fear of death, because
I know now for a fact that I will dieand when I do, I will not stop being,
I will not cease to be who I am.
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And more importantly, in a way toothose that I love should tomorrow
they perish, they die of COVID19, it will be heartbreaking.
I will be sad, but I know itwould not be the end of that.
And I know that ,it's not that Ibelieve, I know because Spiritism
has showed us how mediumship works,how this interaction between worlds
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works, in our mediumistic meetingsevery week, basically in in a majority
of spirits that centers throughoutthe planet, we see evidence of that.
So if I am part of that meeting, if Iam part of that, mediumistic exchange
between worlds and I see the storiesof people, I cannot be as anxious and
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worried about death as I was before,because now I have proof that our
essence who we are, us, spirits survived.
So I think that right on my way,spiritism has helped me take some of
the fear of death away, which has mademe be more present and less anxious
about the whole pandemic thing.
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I'm still worried about it.
Still taking my precautions.
It doesn't make us careless.
I wear masks, I got my vaccines in, Itry to be helpful, I cleaned my hands,
but I realized that should somethinghappen, I lose a loved one or I pass over.
I know it's not the end of thingsbecause I know it continues.
So for me, it has been by far thebiggest help the Spiritism has given me.
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Through the pandemic, dare I say, throughmy entire life, it has changed the way I
behave and I act in many different ways.
I'll do, I know there's a long way to go.
And sometimes to an extent that Idon't even realize, like sometimes
I have to think about it and say,wow, 20 years ago, 30 years ago,
I would have behaved completelydifferent during this piece here.
But now I'm a little bit mighty.
So I think that's where I wouldsay that's how Spiritism has helped
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me in the pandemic specifically.
Suzana Simões (27:35):
Yeah.
I think that like Dan was saying itjust put the whole mental or imbalances
that we all have in the forefront.
So all went up significantly with fear,with loss grieving depression, but also
an incredible sense of powerlessness,being out of control, losing control of
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our lives and what we can or cannot do.
So it's really hard to copewith all of these feelings.
And I think we all experiencedthem to a greater or lesser extent,
but a little bit of all of themwas in the mix for all of us.
And I think that was one thing that Ihad in my mind, as we opened the show,
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which was, what has that done to humanityas far as assist to reconnect with what
is essential like spiritually speakingor, facilitating these way back towards
the spirituality, Spiritism and God,whatever it might be for different people.
(28:43):
So specifically I think that I wasreally called to put into practice.
The faith and the understanding reallylike flat, think, and try to not make it
such a cognitive experience, but reallytry to feel that there is a higher purpose
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for everything that the reason God inplace, you know a universal intelligence,
that there is a higher plan and reallyso meeting myself to this, which along
with Dan, taking all the precautions,because submission to God's real, that
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is not me neglect or carelessness.
We are to do our own part, but tounderstand that there is something much
bigger, something that we don't see,something that we cannot understand being
on the valley, we don't have the view ofthe top, but we will call to trust in,
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to surrendering, to do our parts on thisbig equation that is going on right now.
So for me what spirits isn't helps is,I love the gospel chapter 2 item 3.
What spiritism does is invite usalways to climb the mountain and try
to appreciate life from the top and notfrom the bottom, because then we have
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a much broader view of the situation.
But even if we do so to the highest thatwe can go does not give us because we
don't have the wings to fly that high yet.
So our vision is always apartial vision of the reality.
So it gets to a point that there's nothingelse you can see, you have to trust,
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you have to surrender and you have toreally take into consideration that.
The world is not disorganized,it's actually being organized.
We are not lost in abandoning chaos.
On the contrary, theseare being rearranged.
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There is a higher plan and a higherforce that is actually working
to make this whole situation abetter situation for all of us.
Flavio Zanetti (31:06):
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
I agree.
I think you said some great things.
Before we were given some of the ideasor some of the thoughts, some of the
concepts that there is divine justice.
There is a God looking at lookingover all of what we're doing right
now, really guiding every step of theway, because we have free will, you
learn through spiritism, but the worldis moving towards a more just place.
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But then the pandemic came and thepractical or the we learned a
theory before, here's time forus to put that into practice.
And that's how we were challengedby thoughts and our emotions
were challenged, you know whattrust everything will be fine.
Trust.
Do your part that everythingwill go moving through its place.
I think having that mindset allowed us,or at least allowed me again to be for you
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guys, but allowed me to navigate throughthat pandemic, still very optimistic about
the future ahead, still looking at theladder, then the ethernal yes, this was
gonna be a difficult step for everybody.
But if we do our parts, we'll getout of this much stronger and much
more prepared for the future ahead.
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That to me was the the massive lessonthat I got from this of course,
fear of death is huge and it's stillsomething that bothers a lot of people.
But the end of the day, having an ideathat, yes, everything is under control.
You should not worry about it.
That's again, the message ofJesus has left us way back.
it's the same message, but we just walkedaway from it, like in the last millennium.
Dan Assisi (32:40):
Yeah.
We've veered away a little bitfrom that, but I like both those
perspectives and I like Susannareminding us of the larger view.
Because I think that's somethingthat spiritism does well for
us too, is to remind us thatthere is more than one lifetime.
And I think the pandemic hasdefinitely offered us this
moment of pause and reflect.
Right.
It's kinda like the stop think.
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And listen, before you crossthe train tracks, the stop
listening and look kind of thing.
And so I think that's all great, but ithas also led me to believe that maybe
this moment is not just important forthis lifetime, but more after that.
So I really liked that moment ofreflection that we were talking about.
And I really like that susanna alsotalked about faith is not about I'm
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going to paraphrase her a little bit.
by saying faith is not aboutlearn helplessness, right?
It's not about saying, oh, I'mjust going to trust and I'm not
going to do anything quite yet.
The reason why we are in thisplace is because we haven't done
enough or we need to do more.
So it's not about sitting and justwaiting to see what happens is
rolling up our sleeves and doingwhat we can, which is something that
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we talked about before, earlier.
But this space to reflect, Idon't know that we would have
had it in our busy lives.
Have we not had the pandemic.
So while I understand that pandemichas caused a lot of challenge pain
and, worry in general, one goodthing from the pandemic, if I want
to look at the good side of it,is that it has made us the space.
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It has made us okay to questionour lives, and see if that's
what we are really wanting to do.
My work is what I want to do thetime that I have with my family
is not really what I want to do.
How do I want to lead my life, and I don'tknow that we would have had that space
to do it right, because we're so worriedabout what other people are going to think
sometimes of us or what the perfect lifeshould look like or what the perfect job.
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We have accepted these values from theoutside world without questioning them.
And I think in many different ways thepandemic has said, what does it matter
for me to have a really nice bank account?
If I don't get to spend time withmy family, or if I have people in my
family who are sick so I think thatthe moment of questioning it's a
really hard one in that moment, right?
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When you're going through that crisisare really hard, but crisis are
also moments of decision, is whenwe decide even the word, the word
crisis comes from moments of decision.
We've got to decide, how is it that weare going to act, what is it going to do?
And so from that perspective,I'm, I am grateful.
I want to even use, wantto use that word, right?
Because I also want to give myselfpermission to say, it's okay to be
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happy, even in moments of gloom, right?
We all are going through toughmoments, but we also have happy
moments in this past two years.
It's important for us to rememberthat so it's important to first or
give ourselves permission to sayyes, things are tough right now, but
right now in this second I'm okay.
Flavio Zanetti (35:33):
I do see, I can't imagine people out there that might be
listening to us or watching us live.
Maybe thinking I can't be happy ifI'm going through a lot of turmoil
or if my going through all the gloom.
How, How do we, what dowe tell these people?
What do we say to them?
Dan Assisi (35:50):
Yeah, no great point.
Thank you for bringing that up.
Great point.
And I'm not saying that we are,we have to be happy, right?
I'm saying we can give ourselvespermission and that second to say
in this moment right now, I'm okay.
In this 10 seconds right now I'm ok.
Suzana Simões (36:07):
And also not feel guilty for feeling happy because it's okay.
It's all right.
A lot of people often will preventthemselves from feeling happy.
They will mess up their own happinessbecause of these feelings of guilt.
(36:28):
But I wanna I wanna also bring onemore thing, cause I know can you just
go back because you ran over thatDan called me, but I go back to it.
So he was talking about the fear of that.
And I think along withthat, here we are spiritist.
So the bottom line is we are immortalsand yet we are afraid of dying and we
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have a lot of feelings related to dying.
So COVID by taking so many materiallives, threwing in our face the
vulnerability of this life, which issomething that we don't think so often.
We live honestly even as immortalas if we're going to be here
forever, some of us, some of us,you still have a difficult time.
(37:19):
And I think I have mentioned that I dunnoif he's in a lecture or the conversation,
but It's a taboo to talk about dying.
People.
Don't even want to talk about it.
If you say let's talk about whatyou want for the end-of-life.
So we, I think we did have thisconversation before people were like
why do you want to talk about that?
Why not?
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Why not?
Dan Assisi (37:42):
If we can't just avoid it, it doesn't happen.
Suzana Simões (37:47):
It won't ever happen.
And so we so what coffee did he say,Hey, listen, it can happen at any time.
You know what I mean?
And he takes something that's smalland invisible to knock it down and to
end what seems to be such a powerfulexistence, you know, and guess what?
(38:08):
There's no pattern.
You can be a marathon runner, superhealthy, you can be young, you
can be old and frail and survive.
So there's no logic for it.
How do you, what do you do now?
Because if there was logicwould say, no, we got it.
We now understand exactly how it happens,what is the population that is being
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what we're going to treat that thencomes a virus that makes no sense at all.
There was no like, I'm good.
You don't know it can beanyone at anytime anywhere.
So I think that was one of the bigthings is really like a reminder that
this is a brief state for all of us.
Flavio Zanetti (38:52):
We just have to cherish as we're here.
Every single moment.
I think one thing that we didn't reallysay or mention, at least I didn't
really hear that, is the fact thatit's really important for us to live
the moment that we're living, right?
The whole idea of mindfulness, or reallybeing thankful for what we have and being
happy at the moment they were happy.
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Yes, there's a lot of issues outthere, but the difficulty is not
there, but right now I'm actuallycontent to you because I'm healthy.
My family's healthy.
I'm still employed.
I have a roof over my head.
I can meet, a nice meal, mean there'ssmall things that are not so small for
a lot of people that made us reflecta lot and living the present moment
was something that I believe wasthe big calling from that pandemic.
(39:34):
People were leaving for the future, right?
It's not very difficult to see folksworking multiple jobs and try to
acumulate a lot of wealth and all ofa sudden newness comes and the person
who doesn't really enjoy their wealth.
Happens, more often than not the pandemicgave us a hang on a sec, Do you really
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need all that or maybe it's time spendmore time with I think that, to me, it
was a big calling that comes back from us.
Again.
I want to bring Jesus again, thatwe should cherish the treasures
that the moth can eat and the steelthat they think you can steal.
So when we look at that most,most important treasures are in
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a, what we do with others, ourfriends, or family, or loved.
And I think that's, to me, it'sthe biggest call and I believe
we just start wrapping upbecause the time is running out.
But to me that's a key point thatI want to show is we speak about it
before we dropped from today's session.
Dan Assisi (40:30):
Yeah.
So quick recap.
So we started talking about hownobody wins until everybody wins.
We've talked about also the realizationthat we are more self-dependent than we
expected, we're not, as self-sufficient.
We've talked about what we reallywant re-centering, refocusing,
and thinking about what is it thatwe really want from this life?
(40:54):
We've talked about mental healthawareness and we talked about faith
and you're putting it in practice.
So these are all things that are veryimportant and they're monumental, right?
They're important things.
And so from all of this, What do you, whatdo you guys take away from the pandemic?
What do you take away fromthe show today and what do you
take away from the pandemic?
As it continues to evolveand change our lives,
Suzana Simões (41:14):
I'm going to be very present in this moment and I'm going
to say that I take away gratitude forthe show that and being able to say to
myself, Yeah, work is important, butI'm going to open a window and meet
these guys and through these wonderfultechnology that allow us to do that
(41:36):
in three different states in thiscountry and at the same time gratitude
normally, because we can do that, butalso for having both of you in my life.
And although we are not talking on adaily basis, I know that these quality
of relations that I have, that if I needanything, and I'm always following you
(41:59):
guys and having these relationships in mylife is something that I am grateful for.
So I think that the wordis always what a gratitude.
I want to say thank you both forinviting me to be here today and that I
have a challenging schedule sometimes.
(42:19):
And but you don't give up on me.
So I'm so that truly to do, becauseI few nourished appreciation.
That's great.
I feel nourished by our conversation.
And so here we are, this conversation is aresult of the pandemic, our relationships,
these workspace conversation.
(42:40):
That's it.
I want to end on a very personal note.
Flavio Zanetti (42:43):
So we thank you for putting up with us.
That's what we do
Dan Assisi (42:48):
putting up with Flavio.
We know that Flavia was thereally drag of the show here.
So a difficult one
Flavio Zanetti (42:53):
as we know.
Yeah.
But right through a hundredpercent is phenomenal.
Right?
One of the, one of the successes for afulfilled life or life fuel fulfillment,
if I can say that, is gratitude.
It's a life filled with granted.
The more we feel, the more wepractice gratitude, the happier,
more fulfilled lives, all it.
(43:14):
And your,
Suzana Simões (43:17):
So, I guess the pandemic also taught us that, right?
To appreciate things to payattention to things that, perhaps
would be going notice and With moreattention on our daily blessings.
Dan Assisi (43:32):
Yeah.
100%, 100%.
So now I'll go next and Flavia can come inat the end Flavio if that's okay with you.
100% of what Susanna said, I, andI want to take that specific piece
and make it a general conclusion.
Yes, because yes, quality of relations.
What's really important to you.
Making time to think about myself beyondthe physical is I think something that the
(43:58):
pandemic really helped me with because hehas prevented me from traveling as much
from doing all the different things that Iwas doing before, which gave me more time
for reflection in many different ways.
And so this show, talking withyour guys and everything else has
made me try to spend more time.
Self and what is it thatI really want to do?
(44:19):
I think some of them, you guysknow, I even done professional
changes, so I could have more time.
For me to do the things that I want, whichis to spend more time thinking about this.
So I'm grateful for this difficult twoyears will have completely changed my my.
For the better, in many different ways.
And I'm really grateful for thatand for these relationships.
And so I'm grateful that that I obviouslyhave you guys, so we can have this
(44:41):
relationship that we can have the spaceto talk about things that really matter.
And I think that's suchan important thing for me.
I need that space to talk aboutthings that lift me and carry
me on a few or me to keep doingwhatever it is that I want to do.
And recenter me, help me giveme the moment to really think
(45:01):
what is it that I really want?
What is it that's really important to me.
So I'm grateful for the pandemic forthat grateful for you guys for that
as well, to be my my thinking buddieshere to put me during all this things.
So thank you.
And thank you for all the folks also,who are listening to us who send
us messages, who sent us comments.
It's really humbling.
It's really lovely to see peoplefrom different places we just saw.
(45:25):
Elsa Rossi from the UK chiming in, wehave folks from all different parts
of the world, sending us messages andbeing part of our conversations too.
Is really great.
Shout out to people out in Macau.
For instance, we found outthat Spiritist Conversations
it's in the, more, most shows inMacau and it's pretty cool stuff
that that we're really foreclosed.
(45:46):
So thank you.
Thank you for that.
I'm grateful for that too.
Flavio.
Flavio Zanetti (45:50):
It's the same grade in grade two ahead.
I want to thank you both for beingour partners do non-prime does think
while we're doing here is really stuckand help a person or two out there.
That's listening to useither live or later on.
Yeah.
Gratitude is huge.
The pandemic thought of swimming lessons.
I think everyone was goingto have their own way.
But at the end of the day, it's acall for us to look at ourselves.
(46:13):
Not only this body that we have,but our spiritual beings, the things
that really matter in our lives, thefriendships, the family, the time we
spent together, the quality of therelationships, our connectionwith
God however, you practice that.
However, we do that right througha church or through a group
of people or through a book.
Our connection with God is more, it'smore strongly than ever these things.
(46:36):
He's really, these things arereally the best lessons that
we'll hear from them pandemic.
And it's not gonna stop there.
W as the world continues to evolve,as we continue to grow as spiritual
beings that we are, we'll continueto learn more things to better
prepare ourselves for the future.
Andy, on a very positive note, we allwe all have a lot to be thankful, right?
(46:59):
That's what.
Dan Assisi (47:01):
Wonderful.
Thank you, Flavio.
Thank you, Suzanne.
And this is the part of the showwhere traditionally, when we have
a guest, we ask them about sharingsome of their projects or how
we can get in touch with them.
We don't have a guesttoday, just the three of us.
So I figured we wouldimprovise and as Susanna.
Susanna, tell us a little bit howpeople can get in touch with you.
I know that you have a Facebookpage, you have a YouTube channel.
(47:25):
Tell us a little bit about how peoplecan connect with you and social media,
if they want to follow what you're doing,but you got to come off from your first.
Suzana Simões (47:37):
Yeah.
So we have the YouTube channelso there's other some way 70.
So you can find oh, ourlectures and participations.
I also share these conversationsduring the YouTube channel.
So all work can be found at that channel.
And also at least the ground, samething, Susanna, Simone, one 70.
Dan Assisi (47:59):
Yeah.
So shout out to Susan andall the work she's doing.
If you want to connect with her, go ahead.
Find her on social media.
She's done something tomake our life easier.
She has the same handle, the same usernamein different places, which I love.
You don't need to be creative peoplewith your social media channels.
Just keep it the same so we can find.
So follow her a morning, sit seven,and for all of you guys out there we
(48:23):
love to have you continue to follow us.
We'll have another showat the end of December.
It's going to be an interesting one.
We're planning I think it fro the16th of December and it's calling
follow Christ, not the Christians.
Ha look at that.
We're going to let them hair, we cana little bit, we're going to talk
about Christianity in crisis since.
The Christmas is coming up and how'sthat slightly different sometimes.
(48:46):
And most people imagined.
So we are really gratefulto have you here.
Don't forget to listen to us.
Subscribe to us.
We're also very creativewith our names, spirit.
This conversation's all social media.
That's what our name is.
Thank you one more time for listeningand we hope to see you soon.
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